Oh and also me no webdev (even though I work at company which lives and dies on it)
#technology-discussion
boreal surge
odd sand
Wonder what new product lines Evga will try to compete in if they are jettisoning GPUs which were 80% of their revenue
Supposedly keyboards and mice etc. were only 2% of their revenues and 20% was the PSUs so
sly walrus
maybe they’ll get into produce
odd sand
Also, gamer peripherals like keyboards, headphones, etc. are a very competitive market. Even more-so than GPUs
sly walrus
every evga cpu will come with at least one bent pin
odd sand
But the pins will all be rgb
sly elk
Wonder what new product lines Evga will try to compete in if they are jettisonin...
they said they plan to enter no new markets
i wonder if that's actually true though
sly walrus
well, i’m sure evga products will find success as novelty collector’s items
sly elk
it's like asking a coworker who announced their departure from the company what their next plan is
a lot of people lie 
sly walrus
“i’m going to disney world!”
sly elk
they'll be all like "oh I'm taking a break" or whatever
bastard's got a new job lined up
odd sand
As others have mentioned: PSU is a natural pairing to buying a GPU, so I have to imagine their PSU sales will also slump a bit once they exit GPU sales
copper monolith
How do I set up a gaming space for 2 monitors and one HUGE display tablet with a small desk? It's just feel uncomfortable when I draw.
odd sand
Going to have to be dual vesa mount that clamps onto the back of the table, or I suppose they do make freestanding ones for behind the desk, but those need a lot of space behind the desk then
copper monolith
Yes
sly elk
the other thing is if you want to go vertical or
you may want to do 2 separate monitor arms
instead of the kind where you have 2 monitors on a V shape thingy
odd sand
Why do you need the tablet there if you have 2 monitors? Or I suppose you could mount the tablet on a stand gripped to the side of the desk. Someone has to make something like that I would think
sly elk
idk if I'd even use a stand or arms, really depends on the space and stuff
sly elk
need to see that with the lights on
copper monolith
For the mouse
sly elk
kinda hard to see lol
copper monolith
Ooo
odd sand
Generally people will mount those onto an edge stand and then use a macropad on the side instead of the keyboard up front
Or they make less bling ones that are just like a numpad but you can macro them to hotkeys for photoshop etc
copper monolith
Its just uncomfortable cus I need more space for keyboard and mouse but yeah I guess I can try setting up the wall mounted thingy
copper monolith
sly walrus
https://external-preview.redd.it/LxKlgdCpsmjSi01ltS_orNndFxsbFk-KjNU_1F0KyRk.jpg...
this image makes me feel claustrophobic
odd sand
Welcome to Japan
One thing I just thought of: If I get a Z790 board, those should have TPM standard so stupid Win11 reqs are met, yeah?
odd sand
I know it was almost no profit, which is why they were okay with walking away. But it could still have negative knock-on effects to the rest of their business. I dunno if they're a public company or not, but if they were, I can imagine the stock would take a huge hit just from the large drop in revenue as well.
Well my Z390 board doesn't from 2019 so...
I think you can bypass the TPM reqs if you do a fresh install anyways
Also I'll be passing on this hardware soon and Win10 is supported until at least 2025 so it should be fine
Would not be surprised if that gets extended to at least 2027
wide hill
you can pretty much bypass tpm check with shift+10 -> regedit
odd sand
you can pretty much bypass tpm check with shift+10 -> regedit
Sure, but isn't that a Catch-22 if the Win11 installer is checking for compatibility?
odd sand
You can open regedit from the Windows installer?
wide hill
yes
Shift + F10 opens the command prompt, and you can then launch regedit from the command prompt
paper tusk
Need to replace a dll in the source folder with a 0 byte one to properly bypass if installing 11 in 10
stoic notch
@somber solstice due to the price range of a new gpu being basically the same price of the 3 pieces together
And 3 new pieces swapping 11 year old parts for me is more useful than being limited by the processor
11 year old pieces without repair/maintenance that is
Just so you know
I5-3330
8GB RAM 1333mhz
RX550 2GB
stoic notch
Processor, motherboard, ram
First, due to it being the oldest pieces i have
They are from 2011 lel
stoic notch
Completely busted
stoic notch
What's the top notch gpu these days?
stoic notch
Just don't buy cpu until the gpu and ram is done
My GPU can handle alone for some time until i swap psu and gpu
elfin dock
stoic notch
Here its 15k BRL
elfin dock
Here it's 36k TL
somber solstice
3060 is good too
you need to account he is also using a 1080p monitor
stoic notch
Rtx 3080 is double the price comparing with the other 3 pieces
modest moss
you don't need anything like a 3080 for 1080p
somber solstice
yep
elfin dock
Yeah I didn't know it was 1080p
elfin dock
geforce 1080ti would be good enough
modest moss
I wouldn't suggest buying an old gpu like a 1080ti
somber solstice
Tell me one more recent
Nvidia GeForce RTX 3060 / 3060TI
AMD Radeon RX6600XT/6650XT
should be something like that
elfin dock
I will probably play maxed and dont want to have issues
Mine isn't 4k and I have 3060
I don't have any issues
My hz is 165 tho
modest moss
for example, a 1080ti is gonna use roughly 50% more power than a 3060
and will perform similarly
somber solstice
yeah that is correct i forgot about the power
stoic notch
3060 is around 4k here
elfin dock
That's why I told 1080ti would be good too, because my brother and I did have a convo
We compared the gpus
stoic notch
Roughly 1k more than the other 3 pieces i want to buy
modest moss
idk about power pricing where you are, but in the UK that's a big difference over time
elfin dock
And they're similar
stoic notch
idk about power pricing where you are, but in the UK that's a big difference ove...
Brazil varies a lot in energy cost
stoic notch
How much is the RTX3060 in usd
modest moss
if your fuel is cheap and you can get a good deal on a used 1080ti it might be worth it
elfin dock
it's 14k in my country
somber solstice
not sure in US but here it's 400$ for a 3060
modest moss
Nvidia's MSRP for the GeForce RTX 3060 is $329
elfin dock
it's 14k in my country
which equals to 765 $
somber solstice
elfin dock
somber solstice
what's up with you all countries
somber solstice
mine was fked before but now it has dropped cuz ethereum dead
elfin dock
Mine will hopefully get better with 2023 election
stoic notch
not sure in US but here it's 400$ for a 3060
Roughly 2k BRL for the GPU + 60% import tax (1200 BRL) + state tax + shipping
It will be even more expensive, not viable
modest moss
ouch
stoic notch
It would be cheaper to buy the trip to USA and buy there
stoic notch
Man, 2k brl for gpu alone
4k*
elfin dock
10k better
stoic notch
Current conversion rate is 5,25 BRL per USD
elfin dock
1 brl equals 3 tl rn
stoic notch
Multiply that by 400 usd
Ironically
It would be overall cheaper to buy the trip to us
Buy thr entire pc there
And come back
jaunty light
odd sand
Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra. Icehunter, when the windows opened.
old jetty
so question
I want to build a new pc
but I'm a total noob, so I dunno where to start and what processor I should go for (if intel, or amd)
modest moss
start with your budget and what you want/need to be able to do with it
old jetty
1100-1300 is the budge, dunno if it is enough
modest moss
what resolution are you wanting to use? do you need a monitor in that budget? what are you looking to play?
graceful pine
Assuming 1100 in like USD or Euros(which are equal to USD now)
old jetty
1080p is fine, altough I was also thinking about getting a bigger monitor since my eyesight is getting worse (also 1100-1300 euros). As for the games to play on it: It varies, but I'm planning to get ff16, and all future sony games when they drop as well as other demanding one such as cyberpunk
graceful pine
Welll Euro’s make it easy since they are the same value as USD now lol
old jetty
also emulate switch games I guess
old jetty
Welll Euro’s make it easy since they are the same value as USD now lol
now now, just cause it is true, you don't have to say it like that
umbral moss
isn't the 40 series reveal today?
umbral moss
I thought they were announcing it at GTC?
old jetty
I was also thinking about getting a new pc since now gpu should start costing less
umbral moss
I was also thinking about getting a new pc since now gpu should start costing le...
nah lmao
old jetty
let me pipe dream ok 
modest moss
you're looking at a long wait for FF16 so if that's your main motivation and your current computer isn't awful, might want to hold off
umbral moss
everyone huffed that copium when the 20 series was implied, but nvidia was like "syke actually" and just raised the 20 series prices so the 10 series continued to sell at the original MSRP
old jetty
you're looking at a long wait for FF16 so if that's your main motivation and you...
oh, I'd use for that, but not only that of course
and ye, I heard about cyberpunk
modest moss
tbh cyberpunk isn't as bad now
I had a fine experience with 4690k and gtx 1080
high settings, no rtx, 40-50fps and it was cool
old jetty
ah, ye, I'm waiting for the dlc to try it
but ye, I have only a laptop with a 1650tx, so all recent games jumble a lot and have iffy frame rates
modest moss
where are you based? there might be a pcpartpicker for your area
old jetty
Italy
odd sand
everyone huffed that copium when the 20 series was implied, but nvidia was like ...
The current EVGA debacle really just continues to show how much of bastards Nvidia are and why pseudo-monopolies are bad
modest moss
you'd assume wrong
paper tusk
there's scamazon and umm
modest moss
much more fragmented market
paper tusk
uk has overclockers (love or hate em)
only eu tech retails I can really think of are limited to a single nation (sweden's absurd vat notably)
old jetty
ye, that's from where most shops here ship things
paper tusk
I was going to hop on 14 for sanctuary shit but judging by the other channels right now is a bad time in na. so I get to read lovely things like "Ryzen 9 7900X CPU-Z Benchmarks show its behind Core i7-12700K " and get totally encouraged
old jetty
quick question
paper tusk
42
umbral moss
unironically part of what the article promotes
the problem with pedestrian deaths in the US isn't speed, it's the fact that people drive these huge fuckin tanks that can't see the pedestrians
old jetty
should I go for 32 gb or 16 gb for ram?
odd sand
https://www.theverge.com/23360839/cars-speed-safety-traffic-deaths-technology-us...
The issue is there will always be a balance between safety and efficacy. Making everyone drive 15mph everywhere would virtually eliminate traffic deaths, but then productivity etc. would nosedive as nobody had time to do anything
umbral moss
the boulevard of death isn't a high speed road (only 40-ish km/h with stop lights), but it's one of the most lethal stretches of road in the US
because people just run across it like fucking frogger and get taken out
paper tusk
16gb works fine. if you don't plan on upgrading in a long time (5 years+) 32 gb
dull garnet
if you're only gaming i can't see any reason to have more than 16
umbral moss
more memory is always going to be better but you won't necessarily use it
8GB is a crime in the year of the affixed god 2022 though
old jetty
yup, had to add an 8gb stick to my laptop
paper tusk
yeah the price per gb favors ddr4 but that's dead end upgrade wise. if plan on going ddr5 then no point spending for 32 gb
odd sand
Like in my city, they've been rolling out a bunch of speed drops from like 45mph to 35mph and from 35 to 25mph. But they're then basically ignored bc the speeds are so low they don't make sense
old jetty
I'll take 16 gb now and replace it later
umbral moss
the problem is that busses also use roads, so you need to accommodate bus traffic to make public transit efficient enough to justify over personal vehicleds
but you have larger road areas so you also have personal cars
sly elk
the problem is that busses *also* use roads, so you need to accommodate bus traf...
buses using roads is why buses in LA aren't really considered a solution
umbral moss
sly elk
because instead of being stuck in traffic in your own car, now you're stuck in traffic in a bus
odd sand
Like this is now a 35mph road in the middle of farm country
umbral moss
NIMBY
sly elk
35mph suggestion*
late basalt
Like this is now a 35mph road in the middle of farm country
And they’ll probably fly down it doing 70
umbral moss
the real solution is to just give everyone flying cars
and let all the dumb ones die fiery deaths in the first few years
sly elk
And they’ll probably fly down it doing 70
in socal I live on a busy ass street with a 35mph speed limit and an S curve in the next block
people do that shit all the time there, too
especially after like 10pm
paper tusk
And they’ll probably fly down it doing 70
sounds about right. one of the main roads near me has a limit of 50 mph and everyone usually goes 60-65
sly elk
some nissan will come screaming down the road at 80mph
late basalt
Put in a hidden speed bump just before the curve 
paper tusk
in socal I live on a busy ass street with a 35mph speed limit and an S curve in ...
milwaukee roundabout would like to know your location
sly elk
and why not. if they hit someone they'll never get in trouble for it
late basalt
Just big enough to make a loud as fuck thump to scare them
sly elk
the sound of a car going by your house that fast is freaky though
it's this weird WOOSH noise
umbral moss
the road near my girlfriend's apartment has huge speed bumps that don't really deter people
you just hear the loud WHOMP of the car slamming into the speedbump as they barrel down the road doing 60 km/h
sly elk
yea the problem where I am is aside from that one curve, the road is long and straight and mostly flat
it's not wide though
umbral moss
they're serious bumps too, you can feel the front end of the car scrape into the road when you come off it
people don't give a shit
sly elk
the lanes are actually kinda narrow (2 in each direction) because there's also a bike lane and parking lane
adn people really suck at staying in their lane
odd sand
_people do that shit all the time there, too_
https://www.youtube.com/c/MilwaukeeRoundabout/videos Road leading to it is 30mph and basically all the accidents are bc ppl are doing 60mph approaching it like morons
paper tusk
make the bump bigger (and made of rubber so easy to replace and rewards slow drivers with smaller bump) and watch the carnage from a safe distance 
g
sly elk
the whole thing about narrow streets and calming traffic
I don't believe it after living on this stupid street 5 years
umbral moss
adn people really suck at staying in their lane <:haha:240841245239410688>
bikers are the reason there are so many car fatalities
you can't change my mind
sly elk
like I said, the lanes are narrow
and people still do 50mph casually
even if their tires are off the lane markers
umbral moss
"I don't have to follow any of the rules of the road, I'm on a bike"
gets smushed by an SUV with right of way
umbral moss
christ, all the fucking ubereats guys on their shitty electric scooter things too
same shit
sly elk
lol
umbral moss
just running red lights and making illegal turns
odd sand
Motorcycles flying between lanes in Cali during stopped/very slow traffic always scared the shit out of me
sly elk
what gets me is when you hear them coming
and you look around and can't find em
but you know they're around somewhere
odd sand
Motorcycles want to talk about "we're vehicles on the road too, equal to cars" but then they pull shit like that where they invent their own rules
umbral moss
yeah
sly elk
loudly announcing the presence of their 35hp hayabusa fury
umbral moss
it's also a wonderful way to die
late basalt
Motorcycles want to talk about "we're vehicles on the road too, equal to cars" b...
I cockblocked one guy trying to do that a few days ago
odd sand
I would be so scared someone would jockey lanes in traffic and I would eat shit into their door or trunk
sly elk
i have a love/hate thing about motorcycles
umbral moss
it goes back to my original point, SUVs in the US are so fucking large they can't see you
late basalt
It’s more of a safety thing
sly elk
it goes back to my original point, SUVs in the US are so fucking large they can'...
being able to see a bike doesn't have much to do with that though
late basalt
You’re a tiny fucking bike weaving between larger cars
umbral moss
the front end of a ford F150 is so high off the ground you can't see someone under 1.5m if they're inside 10m of your front end
umbral moss
being able to see a bike doesn't have much to do with that though
huge blind spots since you're so fuckin high off the ground
sly elk
and lately nobody seems to drive a stock truck
it's like everything made after 2015 comes lifted 3" from the dealer
old jetty
so am I right to assume they key difference between the various 30XX is just power or...?
umbral moss
very easy to not see someone lane splitting and just turn into them since you think you're clear to change lanes
odd sand
Yep, there has been a doubling of pedestrian deaths since 2010ish when SUVs really took off
umbral moss
Yep, there has been a doubling of pedestrian deaths since 2010ish when SUVs real...
clearly the problem is speed
not the fact SUVs are 2m off the goddamn ground
odd sand
Bc the front ends are just flat vertical so you don't roll off, you just pancake and get yeeted
umbral moss
and you need a fuckin rope ladder to climb into these things now
sly elk
that in itself is an issue
err the flatness of the hood is kind of a double edged sword
flat front end = great if you hit wildlife
bad if you hit people
modest moss
@old jetty here's a starting point, other nerds can chime in... https://it.pcpartpicker.com/list/DVR2Bj the 12400f is €200 from amazon.it and the 3060ti is €439 from nvidia store italy... €1200 ish total
sly elk
tbh not great if you hit people either
umbral moss
it makes the truck more aggressive looking, that's the only reason car companies started doing it
sly elk
you trade knocking the person over vs having the person go through your windshield
modest moss
@real edge might have bright ideas, they're used to working in euros
sly elk
ultimately avoiding hitting people is better
umbral moss
but it's really hard to when you can't fuckin see em
sly elk
i'm going to go on a limb and say maybe most of the pedestrian deaths are caused b assholes driving while fucking with their phone
old jetty
oh, thanks
umbral moss
and bad behavior is much more common in poor areas because they know there's no penalty
what are they going to do, sue you? with what money
sly elk
honestly
odd sand
<@425720530763776010> here's a starting point, other nerds can chime in... https...
439eur is about as good as you're gonna get for a 3060 tier card, yeah.
sly elk
i think being a pedestrian in a rich area is way more dangerous
late basalt
i'm going to go on a limb and say maybe most of the pedestrian deaths are caused...
I’d say it’s even odds which side is the fault at any given time
sly elk
like
my long standing joke here
i find trader joes parking lots more dangerous than walking the streets of compton at night
late basalt
Dark clothes, no light, walking in the road? You’re asking to be nailed by a car
sly elk
those places are a hot spot for paranoid affluent white women
"HE LOOKED AT ME IN A THREATENING MANNER SO I RAN OVER HIM!"
umbral moss
i find trader joes parking lots more dangerous than walking the streets of compt...
I mean, to be fair compton used to be filled with those kinds of people too
sly elk
as for SUVs, yeaa... I liked sedans better
umbral moss
I miss finding competent sedans
paper tusk
<@425720530763776010> here's a starting point, other nerds can chime in... https...
maybe could get some more value out of a different power supply or case but it looks good. edit since pcpartpicker is being fail: Antec NX200M case + BitFenix Whisper M (750w)
umbral moss
the price of fuel didn't even dent SUV sales either
the last time gas prices shot up 500% everyone started driving toyota tercels
sly elk
lmao
that's not quite what I was thinking of but sure
i wonder what driving in the 90s was like
everything was smaller and there were no smartphones
royal forge
The igor lab article on evga was a fascinating read
umbral moss
i wonder what driving in the 90s was like
everything was tiny and cheap
I enjoyed my saturn for its time but it was definitely a cheap piece of shit
the only good thing about it was the fact that the engine was damn near indestructible
sly elk
yea I sometimes marvel at how cheap the car interiors were
even in nice cars
disclaimer: igor hates evga
royal forge
royal forge
disclaimer: igor hates evga <:haha:240841245239410688>
Ooo til
sly elk
but his points are gross
royal forge
Gross?
sly elk
one of his points is that evga makes very little profit because of mismanagement
he claims the mismanagement is because of their customer service policies
which is like
THE ONE GOOD THING ABOUT EVGA
umbral moss
quois?
royal forge
But their mafia tactics are similar to nvidia
umbral moss
evga's customer service has been shit for years
the last time evga was a good CS experience was like, the 880 series lmao
paper tusk
yeah if anything it's nvidia that's an awful company (same difference with realtek)
sly elk
evga's customer service has been shit for years
i think that's exaggerating
they still do advance RMAs
and have fast responses on their tech support
umbral moss
i think that's exaggerating
evga's policy used to be a lot more lenient and you got a lot for your money
royal forge
yeah if anything it's nvidia that's an awful company (same difference with realt...
Im not defendin nvidia, which is a horrid company, but just that it ai t exactly black and white
Nvidia has good engineers, nasty business people
modest moss
all corporations are the same, fuck 'em all
royal forge
Why u callin urself a melon head btw
modest moss
@hot shadow was bullying me
modest moss
Aoi says 'Ah.' like that explains everything
royal forge
Its like, Rab is involved
modest moss
ya she's a big bully
royal forge
Stinky
hot shadow
liar, shue put the name on himself
hot shadow
i bet shue doesnt even have chinese IME for his keyboard installed, he had to copypaste it from me
smh my melon
tech mentor my ass
🥰
royal forge
Shake smh my head
real edge
got pinged, does grimm still need help?
royal forge
I am lookin forward to the nvidia show
But, also very, i dunoe, not that keen for their stuff now with their anticonsumer shit
I'd bitch that Iray cant run on amd, but thats cuz the damned thing was a nvidia render engine from the ground up
sly elk
i can't say i'd buy an iphone for the aesthetics anymore 🤮
modest moss
i bet shue doesnt even have chinese IME for his keyboard installed, he had to co...
100% ctrl+c ctrl+v life
modest moss
got pinged, does grimm still need help?
they didn't say much after I suggested that pcpartpicker, so probably
Ice don't make me ctrl+x you
umbral moss
i can't say i'd buy an iphone for the aesthetics anymore 🤮
I wonder where the shills went when apple wasn't able to defeat physics to make their new lens array
odd sand
i can't say i'd buy an iphone for the aesthetics anymore 🤮
It was only even somewhat aesthetic if you were a dumdum that didn't have a case. And then it probably had a cracked screen within a few months /s
umbral moss
It was only even somewhat aesthetic if you were a dumdum that didn't have a case...
isn't the back of the iphone also glass, so both sides of the phone would be cracked in a few months
odd sand
Or one of those ugly popsocket things for their fumble fingers
sly elk
lol
-looks at his 3 year old XS with no case-
i don't like going all "yea I've had this 3 years and haven't broken it yet!" because
that's just jinxing myself
i don't really wanna replace my xs though
the photo quality kinda sucks but I don't think the new phones are worth the $$ to get slightly better picture quality
and I'm feeling dubious about the claims that the new phones are that much better
the new phones are really heavy handed in noise reduction and doing stuff
odd sand
If you want good photo quality, buy a mirrorless
sly elk
1k is half way to an a7iii with a lens
odd sand
You can slap an adapter on that and use A-mount lenses even
sly elk
hell some store had a7iis for $1k last week
odd sand
The mirrorless would still at least be fairly compact like a phone
umbral moss
the photo quality kinda sucks but I don't think the new phones are worth the $$ ...
cell phone photos
sly elk
ye
umbral moss
you get what you get, honestly
sly elk
the thing is that they look great for a sec
umbral moss
there's no beating actually having the sensor size
"oh look at us doing 10 pass photo blending to make sure all our tiny ass pixels get activated in low lux environments"
or you could just have a larger sensor with larger photosites and take better low light photos with large light gathering elements
sly elk
then you zoom in and they look like a monet painting
sly elk
idk
i feel like spending <$1k on a mirrorless is my sweet spot
somethign I don't feel bad about carrying around without a case
umbral moss
i feel like spending <$1k on a mirrorless is my sweet spot
not many options that cheap, honestly
the reason ILC companies stopped making cameras in that range is because the types of people who use those cameras use smartphones now
if you're wasting $1400 on an iphone you're not likely to waste another $1200 on an ILC plus a kit lens
old jetty
Uhm, back
I ended up putting toghetor a pc using a website we have here in Italy
Oh, wait, components are all in Italian, oof
Is this readable for you?
old jetty
From my understanding they put a 3060 between those that are available and fit the one you selected
Is it bad?
Also wait for what 
paper tusk
3060 non-ti has a significant performance loss
old jetty
Again, I'm kinda of a noob when it comes to building pc, sorry
umbral moss
ryzen 4 is what, not even a month away?
sharp star
supposed to be this month or the next
umbral moss
intel's new CPU series by end of year?
paper tusk
embargo ends on the 26th for reviews
old jetty
3060 non-ti has a significant performance loss
Oh, didn't even notice
umbral moss
I thought I heard ryzen 4 launch was supposed to be today, I assume not since nobody's talking about it lmao
odd sand
pcpartpicker has a ton of premade lists for good parts at various pricepoints
paper tusk
20 october is the embargo for intel gen 13
odd sand
And honestly I feel like buying an 11400 new with 13th gen and 7000 series out within weeks is a bad idea
Dropping over 1200 EUR for a system 2 gens old
paper tusk
if what I read is even half accurate I would go with gen 13 i5
old jetty
So I should prob wait 2-3 months for prices to drop?
Or well, at least until next year
paper tusk
end of the year is probably best bet to dive in to next cpu generation
I think should be safe with the current lga 1700 mobos (but I don't recall hearing anything about bios update for gen 13 support)
old jetty
I wouldn't buy the next cpu gen TBF cause it'd be out of my budget
I guess I'll wait a bit more
paper tusk
am5 boards are going to be stupid expensive because new is shiny
umbral moss
also because AM5 finally modernizes AMD's lineup lmao
PCIE 5.0, a hojillion USB C ports
paper tusk
and fixing the situation with pci express lanes. hopefully
b650/extreme specs though don't encourage me
old jetty
Anyway thanks, I'll hold out a bit more then
umbral moss
giving the socket such a long lifecycle is hugely detrimental to upgrade paths
old jetty
Building a pc is such an headache
paper tusk
mood
umbral moss
like intel's HEDT garbo
"yeah this is a server chipset so it has features from five years ago and no plans to upgrade it until the next server chipset releases"
"enjoy, that'll be $550 for the board please"
jaunty light
PCIE 5.0, a hojillion USB C ports
How many ho's we get with a hojillion
umbral moss
there's... 20? USB C supported on AM5 I thought
modest moss
Building a pc is such an headache
you could just buy a prebuilt with a 3070 for like €1300
old jetty
That's prob not accounting for Italian taxes
The build there is € 900, but Italian taxes bump it to 1200
I tried to look for prebuilts, but they seem to cost way more
modest moss
I mean, I saw one on amazon.it
wasn't perfect but it shows they're around that price point
dull garnet
hehe, italian
modest moss
the ram is a tad slow, and the storage might be a bit small, but if you shop around
modest moss
I typed 3070 gaming pc
old jetty
Uhm, is it better a 3060 with a 12gb vram or a 3070 with 8gb?
modest moss
3070
late basalt
It would depend on use case, wouldn’t it?
odd sand
Uhh... think I'm gonna switch chargers. My phone was at 8% and all I had around was the 65W @ 3.25A charger for my projector (it has other lower modes) and figured the phone would negotiate an acceptable one. Check it again like 10mins later or less and says 30% and its starting to feel warm 
modest moss
It would depend on use case, wouldn’t it?
they're just gaming
odd sand
modest moss
my phone gets warm when charging with the charger samsung supplied with it
it's fine
odd sand
The fast charger it comes with usually takes about 45-60mins if its really low, so a full charge in less than 30 seemed sketchy, especially if I dont need it topped off that quickly
My trickle-charge conditioning from RC car days kicking in heh
modest moss
some phones are supplied with weaker chargers than they can handle, I saw one earlier that could take a 65w charge but is supplied with a 25w charger
companies are cheap
odd sand
This is my first 65W wall charger, so I can also use it for my Surface laptop instead of the brick it comes with I suppose. Have to compare stats
Hah, not gonna touch the draw apparently. The brick is 15V 6.33A 95W
old jetty
Ye, at this point I don't know if I should just buy a pre built at this point rn or wait until December for price drops
But also thanks again Shue
odd sand
EVGA was finally tired of Nvidia's shit
They had been a major business partner with them for 20 years and Nvidia was only making things more difficult in recent years
80% of revenue for EVGA but only 3% of profit
crisp portal
I did see the 80% revenue but only 3% profit?? THat's crazy
odd sand
The margins are really low and Nvidia was also undercutting them with Founders cards
umbral moss
nvidia's margins are mad low because of the price of the GPU and the fact that evga doesn't manufacture their own shit
so they're taking an overhead loss on each card produced
odd sand
Jays Two Cents also mentioned a good point: Nvidia has been increasingly controlling on what you can do as an AIB for engineering
crisp portal
Yeah that tracks. It also looks like Nvidia has been ramping up the means to sell direct for a while now, which AiBs don't typically like.
odd sand
There used to be dual chip cards and double cards and other experimental designs from AIBs and Nvidia doesn't allow any of that anymore
umbral moss
Jays Two Cents also mentioned a good point: Nvidia has been increasingly control...
yeah, the techradar article said the same
odd sand
You basically take their mainboard and you can slap some fans on it and choose VRMs, that's about it
umbral moss
the reason HOF and kingpin were "allowed" is because they were considered mods apparently
and the street legal version that they commercially sell isn't that heavily uprated
the true LN2 suicide cards are custom made for that purpose and not sold through retail
odd sand
I think it's readily apparent that Nvidia used the AIBs to build market share, and now they want to just cut them all out over time and sell their cards directly
No profit for thee, only for mee
umbral moss
No profit for thee, only for mee
gotta justify their third 5:1 stock split since 2018
odd sand
Reminds me of the game publishers that want to be super controlling of modders and suck profit out of them
crisp portal
No profit for thee, only for mee
Classic move here
But what else does EVGA produce? PSUs? SOME MOBOS?
Because it sounds like they're getting out of graphic cards for good
odd sand
No rising waters float all boats. Sink your boat and shove under mine to float mine more! /s
EVGA is in the same tier as Corsair and Hyper-X, etc. where they largely outsource production to 3rd parties
As big as EVGA was in the parts scene, they apparently only had 280 employees
umbral moss
all profit until nvidia came in and was like "nice money, would be a shame if you kept any of it"
odd sand
I assume they'll try to boost visibility of their peripherals and maybe take another crack at motherboards?
crisp portal
Well they stated they wouldn't be expanding to any markets or products. So I'm doubly confused on what they plan on doing. Also they aren't going out of business or anything so
odd sand
Or maybe they're tired of the volatility of the silicon market and just want to stick with simpler things like peripherals or rebadging monitors or something
umbral moss
I thought I saw that their PSU business is like 30% margin
so they have zero interest in staying in GPU
crisp portal
PSU is most of their other 20% of sales.
odd sand
Or who knows, maybe this is all a big bluff on the part of EVGA looking to get Nvidia to blink first and beg them to come back
umbral moss
nvidia doesn't give a shit lmao
they make their own reference cards now, they don't need evga
crisp portal
Idk what they're doing but they clearly don't plan on going out of business. They said this has been in talks since April so nvidia and EVGA both knew this was coming
odd sand
Not saying the bluff will work, but maybe that's the idea
fair holly
Is there a way to unlink a psn account from square Enix account without losing your characters?
odd sand
Since I think the company is privately owned, maybe he's just tired of it and yeah, just gonna settle for peripheral sales and downsize
crisp portal
I wouldn't think your character is tied to your PSN account at all. They should all be tied to the SE account no?
That's the reason you tie your PSN to your SE account. So your PSN account can do the things and grab the SE account info.
fair holly
Hmm that makes sense I want to unlink my SE and PSN account so I can link my SE to a different PSN account
But need to make sure I don’t lose my character
crisp portal
Oh oof yeah that won't work
Trying to switch to another PSN won't work. You can unlink the account but you can't move the character to another PSN. I was unaware you were trying to transfer to another PSN
You can either play on PC or that same PSN. Otherwise, you will have to start over.
odd sand
You can't? You would think linking a 3rd party account would just pull the chara info its currently linked to. Odd.
crisp portal
You cannot 
I double checked just now and an official response from SE on the support forum stated nope
odd sand
Then again, S-E's Mogstation and account handling has always been super dumb so
What is the point of allowing to unlink a PSN then lol
crisp portal
Sounds like something you would be able to do, especially because unlinking it doesn't affect you playing the same SE account on PC. But linking to ANOTHER PSN is a no go
crisp portal
Looks like it.
fair holly
Pain, thanks for the help tho
crisp portal
No worries! Sorry the result was less than ideal. Good luck! 
odd sand
@fair holly This makes it sound like it may be possible, but you would have to rebuy the game on the new PSN account
crisp portal
Oh shiiiiittt that's 3 months ago. The forum post from SE was from over a year ago. So... Worth checking into. Contact SE official support (as they have to be the ones to do it anyway)
What a goat
odd sand
The CS rep may also have been confused on what was being asked exactly
crisp portal
Mayhaps you can't de-link it and re-link it. Maybe it's a "transfer accounts" thing (which I know sounds the same but idk)
I'd be very curious if it works tho
fair holly
<@709605815283089429> This makes it sound like it may be possible, but you would...
I’m on free trial havent bought the game yet
crisp portal
100% contact support about it. They'd have to initiate the transfer and whatnot anywho if that's possible.
Huh. Oddly enough I found on the support website SE said they can change which SE account your PSN is registered to but they can't change do the other way around. "If you used the wrong PlayStation Network Account, we cannot provide any support." I'm very curious if this is possible..
odd sand
If its not, it basically comes down to the use-case is such a small one they never built a support tool for doing it, so they dont care
crisp portal
It sounds like something that should be 100% plausible. We have the technology.
odd sand
As I said, it likely comes down to being a very low frequency support issue, so they never bothered
Could also be 1.0 spaghetti code
modest moss
tbf it'll also be PSN being PSN
odd sand
Yeah something like they wrote a function to store the PSN account name in the SE account data, but no function to clear it or overwrite
modest moss
likely related to how PSN store sell licenses
umbral moss
yeah, the license is tied to your PSN account and that's what you use to register
since it's a store purchase
modest moss
it's basically a double whammy of two horrible companies to deal with
umbral moss
I remember the absolute fucking shitshow registering for metal gear online 2 was
you needed like four different accounts to log in and the login timer was criminally short, like 10 minutes
so you had to login constantly
modest moss
you need a slap
ask @hard drift and @real edge about monitors, they helped me pick this LG
dull garnet
42" LG OLED
modest moss
oh yeah speedy helped too, ask him
dull garnet
curved, ew
tapping out
my friend just downgraded from his uw because he ended up hating it
bought my monitor lol
to replace a £1000 alienware
dull garnet
could run it at a slower frequency :p
dull garnet
gonna need a second 3090
modest moss
idgaf, I'm going to just suggest dumb stuff
odd sand
https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/samsung/odyssey-neo-g8-s32bg85
VA panel type
modest moss
240hz
modest moss
ok this is the pertinent part;
modest moss
you didn't even say what size you want, you dingus
dull garnet
now you have 100 different criteria
modest moss
just buy the one I have then, it's a sexy 27" 1440p
there's a 32" 4k version, probably good
not curved but fuck curved
dull garnet
are you done with your system yet
modest moss
also order my steam deck
umbral moss
damn, how did you find someone who doesn't just complain about everything you do
what's the secret
modest moss
your temps are great, stop being a dickhead
ed, just fucking leave her
I'm going before I yell at both of you
speedy is in charge
dull garnet
that was pre 2008
the before times
i dug out some mag lev corsair fans I bought years ago and stuck em in my pc the other day
jaunty light
damn, how did you find someone who doesn't just complain about everything you do
Your hand can talk?
umbral moss
Your hand can talk?
dull garnet
sloww
jaunty light
Your hitbox seems small
umbral moss
is the man the toilet door, or is the toilet door the man? his face is blurred, because he does not know
dull garnet
might be a bit too slow actually
lol
that's my 50~70c range
top 2 corsair ML120, bottom two ac f14 pwm
air temps under p95 :p
might bump em up about 5%
late basalt
Does air go in? Does air go out? If yes to both, you’re done with fans, move on. No to either? Get someone else to build it for you
umbral moss
airflow through radiators is important, but it's not that critical because you're limited by surface area far more than you are air mass or pressure
having 25 high SP fans doesn't do fuck for you if you don't have enough surface area to dissipate your heat through
late basalt
Or time
late basalt
It’s a pc in a house
dull garnet
you need a therapist
late basalt
You’re going to duck g have dust
umbral moss
late basalt
If eds computer at work had dust, that’s an actual issue
Tbf adhd isn’t really a factor
umbral moss
If _eds_ computer at work had dust, that’s an actual issue
it does lmao
late basalt
OCD if anything
umbral moss
the cleanroom is pretty good but my workstation in the standard ventilation area is almost clogged with dust on the intaxes
late basalt
should get a mini air compressor
Just get a standard pancake compressor
You’d pay less, and get more
dull garnet
seeing a dewalt at £600
fair parcel
what did I just watch
odd sand
Don't you love when you're sitting 10ft from the door and find out the ups guy left a note on the door
Mfer didn't knock or I would have heard it
umbral moss
Don't you love when you're sitting 10ft from the door and find out the ups guy l...
I have your package, give me $150 and a bucket of extra crispy or I'm yeeting it on your roof
dull garnet
That person must browse reddit
old jetty
Btw quick question
I always used a laptop, so never used a keyboard. So if I buy one just for typing (programmer) anything is fine?
Same with the mouse I guess
sly elk
I mean yea, anything is fine 😄 if you try a fancy one you might like it. or not. no idea 😄
modest moss
I'd buy a little better than no-name basic office stuff
umbral moss
384-bit memory 
they still haven't deigned to increase that memory bus after what, 12 years?
modest moss
personally using the budget razer kb and logitech gaming mouse
modest moss
yes
not a dumb question though
this shit is expensive, sensible to ask questions to make sure you buy the right stuff
old jetty
Ye, I decided to get a prebuilt or get it from the website that can prebuild it
dull garnet
they still haven't deigned to increase that memory bus after what, 12 years?
The 2900 XT had a 512 bit one! Only really mattered in synthetic benchmarks though
umbral moss
The 2900 XT had a 512 bit one! Only really mattered in synthetic benchmarks thou...
yeah, but if you have 24GB of vram you can probably find a use for that extra bandwidth
I think the quadro and tesla parts have 512-bit, they just intentionally cripple the consumer part so they don't sacrifice profit
old jetty
Last question, is there a difference between an AMD or intel CPU if they're mounted on the same rig?
Ehn
As in same rig, and I had to pick between the 2?
I already checked of course, and they're overall the same performance whise of course
modest moss
depends which ones, I'd personally lean towards intel but if you get a good price on an equivalent amd that'll be fine
old jetty
It is a 50 euros cut at best tbf
modest moss
which ones are you comparing?
old jetty
I5 12400f and amd Ryzen 5 5600 X
dull garnet
i5 is newer
modest moss
either will be fine, but I'd buy the intel
old jetty
Kk
old jetty
As I said it is like a 50 euros difference between intel (costing more)
dull garnet
5800X3D in 2028 it is
old jetty
So might as well get something that can be upgraded down the line
Ye, sure
Unless my laptop dies first
I have no particular rush, so if there is a chance price drops for older stuff, sure
But still thanks, and sorry to be a bother
dull garnet
hacks your laptop and initiates self destruct sequence
royal forge
*hacks your laptop and initiates self destruct sequence*
I'll do you better
replaces their laptop with mine
dull garnet
Chat got dark
royal forge
I thought ya fixed it already?
hard drift
Buy a for parts board and monkey paw will be reset
dull garnet
Sarah just sitting there, slowly undoing the hsf clamp, seeing how far it will go
potent arrow
Kinda lol
dull garnet
You've heard of overclocking? Get ready for overheating
modest moss
why don't you
potent arrow
Currently oc to 4.5? I think.
potent arrow
Money
modest moss
uh
potent arrow
The fittings I would normally use I gave to my clients so they didn't have to wait for lead times
modest moss
you buy things all the time
modest moss
this is a terrible made up excuse
potent arrow
No that's literally it, I'm not importanting any new fittings rn lol
So my lazyness is just that
modest moss
laziness is the truth
potent arrow
Literally just lazy to wait for the lead times
So w/e
It's not like it's leaking anywhere important
Just dripping down the I/I shroud near the cpu
modest moss
tell your gf we tried to stop you getting electrocuted but you told us nothx
potent arrow
First, we arnt together any more and secondly I don't think it'll electrocute me
umbral moss
it won't, sadly
if you're on the board side it's all low voltage shit so it'll just kill the CPU or a VRM somewhere
maybe the PCI-e if it lands on the GPU and seeps into the socket
umbral moss
Or you know the mains side of the PSU
if you're on the mains side it'll just blow the low voltage circuitry out in a very disappointing "pop"
or trip the short circuit protection if you have a decent PSU
you can't get blown up from a PC power supply unless you bypass a ton of safety circuitry and a couple drops of water won't do it
potent arrow
Or the breaker
potent arrow
I mean if it's a shit PSU and the actual like connectors on the IEC connector are exposed
And your breaker is welded open
Maybe there's a chance.
See I had these and they were daisy chained lmfao
umbral moss
Maybe there's a chance.
potent arrow
I'm not sure I'll be using this same platform in a year
potent arrow
Let's see how long I'll survive
dull garnet
Try a passive waterblock for cooling
hard drift
hard drift
Nvidia may have a dud of a gen this time round
it'll still be better than shittel
atleast the other two can get their cards out on time when promised for a release
modest moss
sly elk
Maybe there's a chance.
real edge
do you still need help with this? I was sleeping when I got pinged
Is it purely for gaming?
Do you want a 1440p or 4k display?
I do not have scanlines on my G7
but I might be an edge case
the oled alienware?
its really expensive
what size are you looking for?
royal forge
I never thought people actually used that kinda keyboard
Half and half
Im glad u dont have a mic boom
👏👏👏
real edge
LG 27GP850-B
Samsung Odyssey G7 (only if you are willing to go through the hassle of returning multiple monitors but when it works its amazing, speaking from experience).
The alienware one is also really good but also really expensive.
Gigabyte M27Q X if you are on a budget
if you want to go all out no fucks given
then theres the
Samsung Odyssey Neo G9
royal forge
Get that bendable screen
real edge
out of all of those the best ones for gaming are the G7 and the alienware, with the other two also being usable in other workloads
the G7 and the alienware are purely for gaming and movies I think
royal forge
I do find Dell seems.. better priced v Samsung or Alienware tho
real edge
professional photo editing?
it depends on how much you need the color accuracy
as for HDR there is no good small monitor hdr
the acceptable ones are only in the big ultrawide ones
personally even when reading stuff the curve does not matter
to me
but it varies from person to person
but yea photo editing is a completely different thing
you do not buy a gaming display for that
if you want a one monitor fits all
there is also this
tho keep in mind that even in this, the hdr is ....copium
for games I'd recommend the Odyssey G7 over this one
but if you're using your monitor for coding and other things then this one is better
if your country has a good return policy
get a G7 and try it and return it if you do not like it when you are doing work or it has problems
in the EU we have a 14 day return policy I am not sure over there
do you care about your wallet if you are looking at that LOL
restocking fee? what if the monitor has problems
like the scanlines
is that a viable return reason to skip the fees
not all of them do it
its varying
some not at all some a lot
I'd recommend calling and asking the stories policy on that display but
if you can try it then try it and see how it works out for you
I personally called around until I had a store with a good return policy and bought the monitor from that store
I'd recommend:
Trying the G7 if its hassle-free and does not cost money to try.
PG279QM for a catch-all display.
If you tried the G7 and the text clarity is good enough for coding
but shows problems in other areas
then try the alienware but beware that OLED has burn-in
3 year LOL
for such an expensive display
I expect my monitors to last me 5+
me too
asus one for close to 10 years
but I personally really like the G7 when I use it but I am a gamer
I've tried IPS before
but they were blurry when gaming
and movement was fast
the new IPS are better in this area tho
give it a try if you can use the problems the monitor may have to skip the restocking fee and keep it if there are no problems
since you have a big budget those three displays are my recommendations
tho I would avoid the alienware unless it was my last resort
due to longevity scares
3 year warranty is too little
real edge
branding doesn't matter much its only what the monitors are good at and what their flaws are
royal forge
since you have a big budget those three displays are my recommendations
Ice's budget is just a blank cheque
He solves his problems by throwing money until the problem drowns in hundred dolla bills
boreal surge
Problem is he keeps throwing the money at the wrong people
odd sand
Throw the money at Aoi's new PC fund /s
royal forge
Throw the money at Aoi's new PC fund /s
Remove that /s or so help me
I should legit set up a pc go fund me
And i'll hold tech chat ransom
By constantly posting my shit takes
real edge
you can build a small form-factor microatx thingie if you want sth more portable, idk what ud do about display tho
royal forge
Who, me?
real edge
yes
spice dagger
OK, I'm not sure where to post this. It's tech-support-ish, but not really something I need help with, just a weirdness. I'm on a 2019 iMac and sometimes FFXIV would freeze and take the whole Mac with it, and I'd have to power-recycle and reboot. When FFXIV started supporting Monterey I went ahead and upgraded, and apparently Monterey does crash recovery better, because now when it locked up, the Mac rebooted itself. EXCEPT.
...the music and game activity, including other people crafting, never stopped during this whole process.
spice dagger
But the FFXIV client never showed back up on the taskbar, and the window was nowhere to be seen.
I wound up force-quitting from the Activity Monitor.
royal forge
Mini is the bigger one right
real edge
smaller
micro is 244x244mm
mini is 170x170mm
and the smaller the board, the less features it has and the smaller case you can fit it in
royal forge
Maybe i'll look at micro
But it'll need wifi capabilities
Also i fucking DOUBT the new cards can fit
deep sapphire
But the FFXIV client never showed back up on the taskbar, and the window was now...
Not too many Mac users here I would try the official forums. Would probably get more help there
woven drum
okay so
elfin dock
Ye
elfin dock
woven drum
anyways rpg maker is a bit too simple to handle a very complex game
elfin dock
Ohh I see
golden stream
modding is not quite recommend since it needs knowledge of hardcode game executable file and stuff
woven drum
ye
woven drum
anyways rpg maker is a bit too simple to handle a very complex game
well not too simple per se, but too limited
golden stream
his game will be 2D right?
woven drum
i assume so since he mentioned rpg maker
golden stream
oh
woven drum
for a first game, id really go 2D
elfin dock
Then I should save this grand one for later and do smaller projects
woven drum
well not too simple per se, but too limited
basically for the sake of making it easier to understand, they limit the things you can do
golden stream
btw if for visual novel, I recommend her, she uses Unity btw
https://www.youtube.com/c/angelahe
woven drum
unity is nice, and has a shit ton of resources, but when i tried to use it really didnt click
im a bit biased but game maker studio is really nice
golden stream
unity has issue in documentation and tutorial iirc
unreal has better grip in that end but it needs higher spec to use.....
woven drum
i was completely lost when trying to use unreal lol
elfin dock
Is game maker studio on steam or?
woven drum
yeah on steam and standalone install
but id get the standalone
since steam one costs
i think
elfin dock
I can't find it, can you please send the link?
golden stream
elfin dock
Oo thank you
woven drum
oh nvm its there
lol
but id get the standalone anyways
it is free to develop on, though when releasing a paid game you have to pay a sub based on the platform for as long as it is available
well for consoles you gotta pay regardless but you can release free games on pc
golden stream
each engine has its own policy in term of monetization
elfin dock
So that people could see my work without any limit
golden stream
ayyy cute pixel game
elfin dock
ayyy cute pixel game
That's the first thing I thought when I saw it-
woven drum
this video made me realize a script was in the wrong folder lol
golden stream
LMAO
elfin dock
golden stream
it's fine tho
woven drum
it doesnt matter where they are in this engine but its not supposed to be in tiler grr
elfin dock
Some people also said that
garageband is good for making game music?
FL studio too ye?
golden stream
garageband, Reaper, FL Studio if you have money
elfin dock
Oof
woven drum
no comment, im not a artist in any form kek
golden stream
Reaper is free(tm)
woven drum
all i can do is edit other people's sprite art lol
faint sphinx
lmms is ok for some music
golden stream
you can just borrow some AI generate music for proof of concept/placeholder atm
elfin dock
I see
golden stream
during development, everything you use should be mostly placeholder
that reminded me of Thal's Balls
woven drum
otherwise you will spend hours not developing but drawing
woven drum
that reminded me of Thal's Balls <:haha:240841245239410688>
lmfao what
woven drum
thal's balls LMFAO
elfin dock
Really??
woven drum
that is some neat placeholder text XD
elfin dock
golden stream
Koji Fox: ono we don't have enough time to translate those
Also Koji Fox: THAL'S BALLS IT IS
faint sphinx
or you can go banana and do a yume nikki fangame which is half drawing wacky stuff
faint sphinx
have not finished a single one
elfin dock
Tyt Kome 
woven drum
even in AAA development, assets and art are usually the last thing made
like the game should be basically done when you are doing art
elfin dock
This boi will be our mc
woven drum
ironically the title screen is usually the last thing developed lol
golden stream
imo depend on the studio and direction, but western AAA, ^
elfin dock
Then
potent arrow
faint sphinx
This boi will be our mc
tomato-kun....
golden stream
cute mc
potent arrow
This is certainly a new Convo I've never seen here
woven drum
we were in #beginner-lounge till we moved here lol
golden stream
this is an example of dev game: mechanic first, lore and stuff later
but then depend on the focus of the game tho
https://youtu.be/c3mbELVqAmo
potent arrow
woven drum
this is an example of dev game: mechanic first, lore and stuff later
*but then d...
ah i was aboutt to say this
