technology-discussion

[sly elk]

it uses the same body but a different chassis and a lot of other differences

kinda wish more companies did things that way

(the hybrid jeep also does it that way)

instead of the

oh it's an EV so we should add tons of shiny black plastic and make it look really odd

[umbral moss]

well, more that the F150 is pretty recognizable, as is the mustang brand

so making an EV product that isn't a known brand under the ford umbrella is interesting

[sly elk]

there's plenty of time for them to make a Volt or a Bolt or two yet

or EcoSport

(possibly the worst car model name ever)

[umbral moss]

well, it's going to be a truck apparently

but not the ranger so that's a 🤔

[sly elk]

bronco truck!

but if it were GM

they'd introduce a new vehicle and call it the Raptor

not to be confused with the Raptor trim, of course

and then maybe there'd be a Raptor Raptor

[umbral moss]

the ranger is the bronco truck lmao

[sly elk]

truuueeee

yea when people call the current bronco a retro throwback, they don't realize that for most people, the OJ simpson bronco IS what people associate with the word bronco

[umbral moss]

should come as standard equip on the rental fleet option

[odd sand]

That's about right. I did a temp job one day at Fedex and they were yeeting shit out of the back of trucks onto a conveyor. Sometimes as far as 10 feet, and didn't care if it said fragile on it.

Things would roll over multiple times sometimes.

[deep sapphire]

Didn’t get my windows busted out

[hard drift]

Nice?

[deep sapphire]

Didn’t get the joke

[hard drift]

😔

[hard drift]

I’m too tired for jokes lol

I’m doing an overnight and getting fucked for scheduling at work

[dull garnet]

my current acc is like 3 years old and i don't play much and even i'm at 33 days

reluctantly

[hard drift]

My current account is 3 years old roughly and has way more than that 😔

[dull garnet]

yeah well i have a life

[hard drift]

I do too 😭

[dull garnet]

and i don't enjoy ffxiv much, but it fulfils the role of being an mmo that i play

[hard drift]

Plus i barely play anymore since work now 😔

[dull garnet]

okay well, i have been in work those 3 years :p

[hard drift]

😔 about two for me in terms of full time

[boreal surge]

You’re still on a JP DC?

[jaunty light]

Post pics of u touching grass

[dull garnet]

I swear any fc I join is mostly active in discord and it just isn't what I'm looking for

Damn you discord

1.0 is 12 years old

I was used to toxicity in tera, FF feels sycophantic

[sly elk]

ice plays by himself. doesn't anyone make friends in ffxiv?

i'm so sad about this so far xDDXDXDXD

i noticed it in my FC too, everyone's friendly but nobody is uh, outgoing? idk 😄

but i'm still not convinced the game lends itself to that

[odd sand]

I see you get Fedex to deliver your boxes marked Fragile as well

[sly elk]

it feels more like a multiplayer RPG than an MMO

[dull garnet]

Yeah

[sly elk]

my personal experience is fedex is the worst :]

[dull garnet]

Doesn't help that msq is the most interesting thing to do

[sly elk]

but I've yet to have things go wrong with DHL

[odd sand]

I've heard global DHL shipping at least is usually quite fast

[sly elk]

I find ontrac (west coast only) to be amazing when stuff goes wrong?

[odd sand]

Expensive, but fast.

[sly elk]

yea for me I think that's because DHL way overestimates how long things will take once they arrive in the US?

like for me once it hits LA it's next day

i've also found UPS to be decent, USPS to be the best when things don't go wrong, but when things do go wrong? usually still pretty good but a lot of their solutions involve going to the post office lol

fedex is the only shipper that seems to regularly damage packages

lol

[kindred brook]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcH_7xsYtUk

https://tenor.com/view/crazy-deku-gif-25236326

[devout nexus]

and so it begins

im hearing boards are gonna be behind and RAM will be scarce but we will see

[royal forge]

Dr Lisa Su really looks like an old aunty

If @hot shadow made cpus

I wonder how shit the drivers will b

[hot shadow]

😠

ill break your game every week

[royal forge]

Are u watchin the ayyymd?

Lisa Su is givin off old aunty vibes

[hot shadow]

the w0t

[royal forge]

Amd event

Lisa su looks like an old granny

Jesus christ discord android is shit

Zen 4 but chips start with 7

And the chips last year started with 5

Then why zen 4

Not zen 7

Not sayin these fkin clowns need a better naming scheme

But

Consistency is a thing

Tldw me later pls. Work

[dull garnet]

105w tdp on 7600x

[royal forge]

Have they mentioned release?

Why bugger number has lower base clock

Smh

@deep sapphire u watchin?

Explain to my tiny brain on the diff of x and b mobos pls

Jaysus

Can I get price comp

Damn

Later this year

Intel clapping back or nah

[deep sapphire]

Watching what?

[jaunty light]

mm i dont really see a point in going up to a 7900 or 7950x

not unless I buy 64GB of DDR5.. but then suddenly i'm spending $2500

[modest moss]

Ice just fucked about sorting his PC and now he's gonna drop another $10k CAD for 10% gains

[jaunty light]

69fps to 77fps aw yeah baby

[modest moss]

a mate mentioned earlier that 4070 is meant to outperform 3080ti, 300w tdp, is that accurate?

[deep sapphire]

So why didn’t they just say it’s so and so faster at it’s native speed lol

[jaunty light]

https://tenor.com/view/andrew-tate-bugatti-what-color-smoking-top-g-gif-26393811

[kindred brook]

Wheres the 3D chip

[sly elk]

i like the white 7-segment debug thing

the red clashes with RGB

my maximus xi hero has a red one

i suppose if it bothered me that much I could just desolder it and put a white one on

. . .

https://www.adafruit.com/product/1399

sigh. Nope. That would need some logic to make it work.

nothing too awful

[modest moss]

is that Luke Goss?

[jaunty light]

custom bugatti oil drain security plug tool, $24,999

[royal forge]

AYYYLMAOD

[odd sand]

I'll believe that when there are independent reviews. They've historically struggled to hit even 5.0ghz turbo, and now suddenly they're making claims of 5.85ghz ...

[odd sand]

Im just talking about being able to hit the stated turbo clocks

[sly elk]

https://tenor.com/view/nitro-fast-furious-tokyo-drift-gif-25307961

[jaunty light]

https://tenor.com/view/vtec-gif-19726494

[royal forge]

So whats the general consensus on the AMD reveal?

[sly elk]

I'll believe it when I see it

[royal forge]

I see even r/amd aint that impressed

[sly elk]

https://tenor.com/view/high-schoold-xd-koneko-meow-cat-kitty-gif-17299538

[dull garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/neko-nekomimi-dance-party-happy-gif-17652492

[sly elk]

logic would dictate pc

build another pc?

it doesn't have to be a 3090 with custom loop cooling!

for a kitchen tv wouldn't a 12400 with a 3060 do just fine? one of those <$1k dealies?

lol

12400f for $159, 5700x for 199

would you be able to run destiny on that?

then there ya go

but i guess if you have an xbox already

that's the catch lol

if you already have an xbox then just get the xbox game 😄

ay! there ya go!

see

you could have another sweet gaming rig if you sold them

XD jk

[sly walrus]

lucky for you, it’s free expansion period

so you have all of that stuff until…

uh

until it ends

what i’m wondering is if you do the gjallahorn quest, do you get to use gjallahorn on platforms that don’t have 30th

damn

that’s another install

least witch queen is on sale this week

[sly elk]

oh

destiny sounds familiar

SCARY

[sly walrus]

is a buge

[sly elk]

idk

[dull garnet]

Nano desu

[sly elk]

did they ever make one of those?

Our exciting new AI analyzes pictures of your cut and tells you which band-aid to use!

[sly elk]

https://youtu.be/yx65_nwbB_Y?t=60https://youtu.be/yx65_nwbB_Y?t=60

i giggled when I heard the noise xd

all I have to add

https://youtu.be/igVAEtUn8jQ?t=145

ehehe of course they put their pc on the floor

[hard drift]

this is pretty nice

[real edge]

no 7800x lul

[hard drift]

it's 99% chance reserved for the x3d

and the 800x was a waste anyways, it served no real benefit vs a 700x

it was literally just an overclocked 700x

[real edge]

looks like I will be going with the 5800x3d on am4 and forgetting about am5 until years down the line when ddr5 drops in price

huzzah for platform longevity

[hard drift]

\o/

[dull garnet]

Where the speakers at

[hard drift]

the best part about am5 is that the 7950 vs the 5950x actually went down in price

[real edge]

tdp is way higher tho

which is a tad concerning

[hard drift]

it's not concerning

[real edge]

except for the 8 core part

[hard drift]

most of it was platform limited for tdp

[real edge]

which is the same as zen 3 parts

[hard drift]

it was bound to increase

[real edge]

I am just happy that they actually give a crap about power draw

unlike intel

[hard drift]

i mean amds claims aren't 100% accurate either

like yes it can stay about there for tdp but when actually doing stuff it won't be there

that goes for gpu/cpu on all sides

intel was just honest about it this generation rather than hiding it

[real edge]

I just do not want power draw to suddenly skyrocket

and force me into getting ridiculous wattage psus

[hard drift]

i mean the whole thing with the new pcie 5.0/atx 3.0 is to allow lower wattage cpus to better run higher tdp gpus and such at a limited powerdraw

so it's being mitigated although it could potentially draw say 600w

[hard drift]

and plus it's not suddenly skyrocketing, they warned us ahead of time and it didn't jump by massive margins

[real edge]

the concern for me is psu mainly

I'd rather not replace mine until its lifespan is sapped

[hard drift]

well that's 100% not going to happen unless adapters come to be unfortunately

new gpus will likely require adapters/a new psu entirely

[real edge]

adapters should come in the box

[hard drift]

i mean hopefully but it wouldn't be surprising if they didn't

[quaint spear]

hello

i've got several loose 5.25 HDDs and two or more SSDs laying around. I have no idea what hardware I need to put them together in.

Is it a "rack server"?

I have one external enclosure for browsing one drive at a time but I need something to look at them all at once.

then I need to get cloud storage cheap after I decide which files to keep

I have Asus web storage, Google drive and One Drive. what's best?

[dull garnet]

"desktop"

most will support 6-8 sata devices

[real edge]

whenever I bought hardware, all of the necessary cables and power bricks always came in the box, hopefully this is the same

[quaint spear]

eh?

I just need to access the files. a regular desktop can hook up all that crap up in it?

[dull garnet]

depending on how many drives and the interface yeah

are you sure you mean 5.25" hdd? those are 30+ years old

[quaint spear]

i'm an old fart

i need to archive my old files

I don't mean floppies though

https://www.newegg.com/highpoint-rocketstor-6418ts/p/N82E16816115190?Item=9SIA6ZP4CN3659

this good?

[dull garnet]

that only supports 3.5" drives

[quaint spear]

crap

[dull garnet]

you don't really want a raid enclosure either

unless you do

but that would require wiping the drives

[quaint spear]

no ways

okay, I forgot

[dull garnet]

yeah, an old desktop or workstation with a case that can accommodate enough drives will do

[quaint spear]

help an old fart out eh?

what should I get?

I mean to say I want a digital solution for hardware to put my files on without wiping the OG drives

then toss the files in the cloud

[dull garnet]

do you actually mean 5.25"

i honestly can't tell

what interface are they

you could do one by one in an external enclosure if you're just wanting to upload the data

[hard drift]

also about the powerdraw i think major factor in the increase is the fact that they all have an igpu

[umbral moss]

the onboard GPU is probably for the better honestly

since you can start doing stuff like GPU encoding on the CPU die

[obtuse linden]

hey would this build be good if i changed the psu later on? https://www.awd-it.co.uk/awd-td500-white-drgb-ryzen-5-5600x-6-core-4.6ghz-nvidia-rtx-3060-12gb-desktop-pc-for-gaming.html

[real edge]

needs a high storage SSD

ram is bad, cooler is bad

[obtuse linden]

so 1tb?

[real edge]

keep the 240 as your windows drive

get a separate 1tb one as your storage drive

and yeah the psu is ...ehhh

https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/

[umbral moss]

I mean, the ax1600 is the king but you pay for the privilege

too bad they don't make a smaller version of that thing, nobody needs that much power without a mining farm

[real edge]

you do not need liquid cooling for the 5600x btw but an aftermarket single tower cooler is better than the amd stealth cooler

be quiet has some good ones

or if you can get the scythe fuma 2

[obtuse linden]

can i just get the build and then upgrade them when i have more money?

[real edge]

I mean

I wouldn't pay 900 quid for that

the parts are alright apart from the psu and ram but the cost is too high

[obtuse linden]

ive already tried picking parts for a new pc, it all comes around to the sameish price anyway

plus i cant build it myself, or get anyone else to build it for me, its super expensive to get it done at a pc repair shop

[real edge]

have you tried the used market?

[obtuse linden]

yeah, cant find anything good there either

[real edge]

that is where all of the cheap gpus are

huh

I would suggest waiting then cause paying 900 quid for years old equipment does not seem enticing

900 pounds for a 3060

meh

and a less than 200$ cpu

with a mediocre psu and shit ram

with a 240gig ssd like

but more than 1k euro

I wouldn't pay that price for that personally

[obtuse linden]

is there anything that you would change in the build to make it better? the wesbite has other options

[real edge]

I would manually replace the psu and the cooler if you decide to get it

this but buy an aftermarket scythe fuma 2 for like 50$

I still wouldn't get it tho

its too much $$$

[obtuse linden]

hmm okay, this any good? https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/Nakota243/saved/#view=wFpLcf

[real edge]

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/rQRqwc

the gpu prices are still too high tho

[obtuse linden]

thank you ^^

[real edge]

grab a used piece from ebay

[obtuse linden]

hmm thats an idea

gpu prices be crazy

[real edge]

and storage is whatever you want it to be

I just put my own preference there

a small 30 quid one for my operating system and a big one for games and files

get a used gpu tho cause 400 quid for that is crazy

a 3060ti/6700xt(amd)

is what I would get

used

not new

[cerulean talon]

Tbh, give it another couple weeks if you're not in a huge rush to get a GPU. The eth merge will send a huge number of GPU's flooding out again, that being said, just be wary of how much miners tend to abuse GPU's if you get em used.

[real edge]

^

[cerulean talon]

We've been watching prices slowly dropping to sub-msrp even for new (Which is nice)

[umbral moss]

apparently miners run them for power efficiency and that means they don't get the full TDP on them most of the time

[real edge]

amd cards tend to have better prices than nvidia ones right now

[cerulean talon]

As someone who works with miner devs, this depends on the exact coin.

[umbral moss]

I'm only going off what the other dude said in here about it

[real edge]

@obtuse linden ^

[cerulean talon]

The main issue is that miners tend to heavily abuse your cuda/openCL cores (Shader cores or what used to be), so half the chip is off, but the other half of the ship is used incredibly heavily

[umbral moss]

I don't mine even though I probably should have

[cerulean talon]

So while you may not be at TDP because half the chip is off, the parts we, as gamers care about, tend to be run /way/ over heavily.

[umbral moss]

🤔

[obtuse linden]

@real edge oh and how long will that build last me do you think? a few years?

[umbral moss]

if you undervolt the thing and run it at 50% TDP it's getting barely any work on it

[cerulean talon]

IMO, never get a Radeon used, or if you do, reflash a known good vbios (Lots of Radeon cards could have hacked up, specality vbios for bypassing power limits), LHR cards aren't safe because they bypassed nvidia's protections were bypassed by running 2 miners insane.

[real edge]

new gpus and cpus will be out in a few months

I would wait

if you want to build new

[cerulean talon]

^ This.

[real edge]

I have a 1070 and I am waiting for the 4070 personally

[cerulean talon]

7k series ryzens are on the way, 12th gen intel is a terrible time atm (Just spent a week getting mine up and going w/ ddr5.

7k ryzens look like they'll be nice, if hot.

[real edge]

tho I have no reason to go with them when I am on am4 with a 2700x with a clear upgrade path to the 5800x3d

[obtuse linden]

am i forced to get the latest new builds if im to get a gaming pc?

[cerulean talon]

Not really

[real edge]

no but the thing is usually, if you buy old tech, buy it used

[cerulean talon]

I'm stuck with latest because I have a desire/want for 4k gaming. >.>

[real edge]

cause market prices drop but not retail prices(usually)

you can justify a new 5600x but not a 30 series nvidia card or 60 series amd card

they cost too much to buy new

and its not worth the money

[obtuse linden]

and how much will the new series 7 cost?

[cerulean talon]

They're expected right around current MSRP for the 5ks from the leaks

[umbral moss]

the 7950XDDD is probably coming mid next year

so keep that in mind

[cerulean talon]

Imo, if you go that rate, give it a few weeks for the bios and mobos to settle out and see how it goes. Ddr5 is a massive meme atm

[real edge]

tl;dr, if you want new, wait for the next generation of gpus in a few months but if you want a PC now, get a used card on ebay or whatever

[umbral moss]

DDR5 is surprisingly shit considering that JDEC finalized the spec back in what, 2018?

and the sticks are still complete garbage

[cerulean talon]

I'm still only at 4200 for 6k rated sticks

Can't get em any higher despite .25v over volting

[umbral moss]

isn't that a limitation on your CPU side then?

[cerulean talon]

12900k? Not likely

The issue seems to be in the external memory controller

[real edge]

I do not want to pay for a new mobo and expensive ram for a 7k series ryzen when the 5800x3d will likely have similar performance for a less price

[umbral moss]

just because it's new doesn't mean it's capable

[cerulean talon]

It can't take enough voltage imo

[real edge]

(for me since I already have am4)

[cerulean talon]

Get it up to 1.25 and it pretty well crashes

[umbral moss]

I can't run my DDR4 at its rated speed on my 6850k because the IMC is weak as fuck

if I try to run it at full throttle it just fails to post

no matter how many volts I throw at it

[cerulean talon]

Technically, this board is rated and specced for 6k with this setup

[umbral moss]

sure, but the CPU may not be able to handle that many megaHURTZ

[cerulean talon]

It's tested w/ this cpu :p

But yeah, silicon lottery/etc

[umbral moss]

so you replaced the sticks and it sucks now?

[cerulean talon]

Once Newegg has em in stock again, I'll probably order a new set to test with

As much as I love buying spare ram no other machine in my house can use 😄

[umbral moss]

DDR5 having a bunch of new electronics on the dimm itself is also a big thonker change

I don't understand why they thought that was a good idea

[cerulean talon]

I mean, yes/no, we needed it in some ways, just because of power draw

The fact each stick of ddr5 is dual channel is the big thonk for me tbh

[umbral moss]

I don't know much about DDR5's data functionality, I thought it was interleaved on the board like previous DDR generations

[cerulean talon]

Nope

Each stick is now it's own dual-channel insanity, takes direct 12v rails from the mobo, has it's own power controllers, etc.

So now dual sticks could technically do quad channel (Which is it's own insanity)

I /suspect/ once things settle out some, it'll be quite nice (The speed tests are /absurd/ on these things), but it's super touchy atm.

[umbral moss]

I mean, this is the DDR2 switch

[cerulean talon]

Pretty much.

[umbral moss]

DDR2 was garbo compared to DDR3 because it made a lot of drastic changes to the topology

[cerulean talon]

(That makes me feel old, remembering those days)

[umbral moss]

I guess DDR6 will be good, in 2030 when they finally release CPUs that support it

[cerulean talon]

I suspect DDR5 will be fine once people get used to it's quirks. Just like DDR4 on ryzens, etc.

[umbral moss]

I'm thinking about the dimms themselves

[cerulean talon]

Oh. Yeah, that's going to be fun to watch.

[umbral moss]

seems like there's a lot of bug hunting to be done on the physical PCBs before the CPUs can really take advantage

like maybe it's not entirely on the CPU/mobo companies here

[cerulean talon]

Probally. The external memory controller is interesting as well to go back to that.

[umbral moss]

but g.skill et al not being familiar with how DDR5 needs to be made

which is why DDR6 will probably be 🔥

[cerulean talon]

Eh, I'm sure we'll see stability eventually.

But it's hard to recommend to people right now to be sure.

[umbral moss]

yeah, right before DDR 6 dimms start shipping

[cerulean talon]

Given how much DDR5 was at release, I'll take it. 😛

[umbral moss]

I guess AMD finally forcing the issue with AM5 means memory companies will have to actually give a shit and design new PCBs

since both AMD and intel now require it and there's no DDR4 fallback dimms anymore

[cerulean talon]

Technically, the 12thgen can still take DDR4, and it looks like 13thgen will as well

MSI's leaked specs include a DDR4 board, which just makes sense imo.

[umbral moss]

no more DD4

https://tenor.com/view/no-more-gina-rodriguez-carmen-sandiego-enough-over-gif-16747389

without real pressure to fix their shit DDR5 development will be continuously stalled

[cerulean talon]

Don't disagree, I can hope though.

[umbral moss]

yeah

[cerulean talon]

Just like I can hope windows will find a driver for this nic (Not likely though)

[umbral moss]

I think that's why DDR5 has been so slow though, it's not that the companies don't know how to do it, it's that they haven't really needed to do it because AM4 is from like, fucking 2016 lmao

[cerulean talon]

Blessed AM4 though. "Let me keep swapping CPU's, screw buying a new mobo"

[obtuse linden]

would you change any of the options on this? https://www.awd-it.co.uk/awd-icue-4000x-rgb-ryzen-5-5600x-6-core-amd-radeon-6650-xt-8gb-desktop-pc-for-gaming.html

[real edge]

6600xt not 6650

psu is shit

3200mhz ram kit not 2666

[umbral moss]

the long legs on AMD's sockets is why it takes forever to get new feature adoption though

"AMD can't/doesn't support this on their board, and we don't want to add third party chips, so"

it's the same problem I have with intel's HEDT shit, they use LTS server chipsets so it takes like 8 years to get a feature refresh

[cerulean talon]

Don't disagree, but for most people, it's nice to be able to swap around.

[umbral moss]

grats, you got USB 3.0 support on HEDT in 2018

[real edge]

that website does not have good parts tbh and its too expensive

[umbral moss]

USB 3.0 being supported on consumer desktop parts in 2016

[obtuse linden]

ah okay, nvm about that then

[real edge]

those shit-tier psus

big red flag

[obtuse linden]

ill try and use the build you gave me

[real edge]

buy the gpu used

please

lol

3060ti or 6700xt

used

[umbral moss]

or just wait a few months and get GPUs on fire sale lmao

[real edge]

^

[umbral moss]

4090 dropping this year plus eth merge fucking GPU demand in general

the 4090 looks so hot, I'm going to start saving pennies for it

[real edge]

just wait @obtuse linden it will be worth it in both prices and part availability

[cerulean talon]

4090 looks like a /delight/

[real edge]

but if you MUST HAVE a pc

get the parts used

[cerulean talon]

Can't wait to put it under some load and really play with it. 😄

[real edge]

the gpu specifically

[umbral moss]

2x my current PC's performance is right at my "time for a new PC" threshold

4090 looking to be just about 2x a titan xp-2

[cerulean talon]

I only built this one because I killed my last desktop. 😦

[umbral moss]

same

[real edge]

I was planning to get a 3080 as an upgrade to my 1070 but the prices skyrocketed

[umbral moss]

but I killed that one with sheer stupidity

[real edge]

and now I am looking at the 4070 instead

[umbral moss]

4090

[cerulean talon]

We're not sure what I did to my last one. 😄

[umbral moss]

oh, I knew how I killed my PC from 2013

I was playing around in the guts of the PSU and bridged the +12V that drives the PSU fan to something while the ATX cable was plugged in

[cerulean talon]

Ooooogh.

[umbral moss]

so it blew out everything on the board

[cerulean talon]

Mine decided that vmem should be a meme, assigned itself 300gb of virtual ram, then complained it didn't have enough, and decided that it wasn't worth living.

Literally one of the weirdest PC deaths I've ever had.

\o/ Got the new NIC picked up. Back to 10gigabit deliciousness.

[umbral moss]

my ISP offers 5Gbit service now

but it's expensive, like $130/mo

[cerulean talon]

I wiiiiish I could get that.

I mean we're paying 230 for 1000/50 atm.

So I'd pay that no questions asked.

[umbral moss]

[modest moss]

@obtuse linden @real edge look at this imo... https://www.palicomp.co.uk/amd-velocity-fac10 do the switches here

end up with a 12400f 3060ti build with 750w corsair psu, 1tb samsung 980 for £890

possibly improve the cooler but eh you could run it and see temps first

[obtuse linden]

does this website build it for you? or just send parts

[modest moss]

prebuilt afaik

[real edge]

that website has more reasonable prices

[obtuse linden]

could you build me one with this site nhadala, if thats okay?

sorry i dont mean to be a bother ^^;

[modest moss]

@keen mantle either just ask, or start a thread in #952326072542847016

[keen mantle]

It’s non ff related, didn’t know if that was okay.

[modest moss]

sure

[obtuse linden]

wait shue was that your build?

[modest moss]

for reference that deal originates in this thread https://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/ryzen-5-3600-b550m-12400fh610-from-40-3060ti-1tb-nvme-16gb-windows-gaming-system-ps80000-at-palicomp-3986407

starts as a ryzen build for £800 but you can do those minor changes for better cpu/psu

[obtuse linden]

oh nice

[real edge]

5600x

212 is enough for this

board and ram the base ones that it has

m2 drive is ok

[modest moss]

that'd work, I'd do the psu upgrade for 50 though

[modest moss]

would go £935 I think?

he said his budget was £900 the other day, has that changed? you're adding a lot

[real edge]

ohh I am new to this discussion he did not mention budget

[obtuse linden]

i can do a little over 1000 now

[real edge]

to me anyway

[modest moss]

oh well go with the 3070 like Nhadala suggests if you have the extra

[real edge]

thing is I do not know what this is

[obtuse linden]

would it be the fan that comes with the cpu?

[real edge]

idk they do not mention anything is says OC applicable

its 1000 quid with the heatsink/fan they say they include

[dull garnet]

should be a wraith stealth

[real edge]

then yeah that is bad

[dull garnet]

it is fine

[obtuse linden]

yeah one of those

[keen mantle]

File explorer not functioning. Haven't done anything weird or installed anything. Turned PC on, OneDrive won't connect, Xbox app won't connect, bit defender antivirus won't function. If I open file explorer it won't load anything and I can't close it without using task manager. Microsoft edge and other things like steam are functioning normally. Pc can’t restart/turn off unless I hold power button/unplug. Cannot boot into safe mode, cannot use system restore or reinstall windows even from boot menu

[real edge]

it will make the cpu work but

[dull garnet]

the 5600X runs very cool

[real edge]

no overhead or anything

but if you just want it to work then the base heatsink is ok

I just always like aftermarket stuff better

[modest moss]

this sounds way too complicated to tackle in this channel, I suggest starting a thread in #952326072542847016 and maybe someone will have some ideas

[keen mantle]

Ok Ty

[real edge]

still too expensive for old hardware but ehh

[obtuse linden]

its within my price range

even with the better cooler

[real edge]

I cannot share a link

with this it seems

[obtuse linden]

sorry for the trouble, i really appreciate it though

[real edge]

you get better hardware with this site tho

everything seems better quality

for the same price-ish

you get an upgrade on the gpu

[modest moss]

uh

could just get https://www.ebuyer.com/1537606-hp-omen-rtx-3070ti-amd-ryzen-7-3-8ghz-16gb-2tb-hdd-512gb-4u6s7ea-abu

950

[real edge]

that is much better

except psu but

seems better at a glance

[dull garnet]

ew apu

[real edge]

I would avoid prebuilts and build your own but I understand why ppl do not want to bother

[obtuse linden]

i can try my best to build it myself

people do say its easy, im just dumb

[real edge]

its scary at first

cable management is the worst part rather than putting stuff together and making it work

[obtuse linden]

i think palicomp builds it for you actually

[dull garnet]

cable management is purely aesthetic

[obtuse linden]

says takes 10 working days to build/setup and send

[modest moss]

I'd buy the HP from ebuyer

it has a 3070ti and costs less

and has free NDD

[real edge]

If I was buying brand new right now, I would probably go with

for a cheap price

12400f

An aftermarket hyper evo 212, or a scythe fuma 2, or a single tower be quiet cooler.

A used 6700xt or 3060ti to 3070 depending on used market price

that would be my budget build

[modest moss]

I wouldn't suggest used parts to someone already anxious about building, they'd be better off with easy RMA/warranty

[real edge]

yeah since I am experienced in tech I have a tough time putting myself in the shoes of someone new

[umbral moss]

the most important thing to know about computers as a new person is that they're just expensive legos

you can't really fuck it up and everything is marked/notched so you can't do it wrong

[obtuse linden]

thats a relief

[umbral moss]

just a matter of how much money you want to spend

[obtuse linden]

imagine buying a new gpu and you break it tryna put it in

[real edge]

installing a gpu is the simplest part of building a pc

[umbral moss]

I mean, you can certainly harambe something into a slot where it doesn't belong

[dull garnet]

I tend to agree with Shue

[umbral moss]

but it's really hard to do it wrong and there's a lot of warning that you're fucking up before it breaks lmao

[real edge]

just slot it in the pcie slot, connect it with the psu and you are done

[umbral moss]

yeah, everything is keyed so you can't do it wrong too

you need to break a lot of stuff in order to install a CPU or GPU incorrectly

and RAM won't even slot correctly if you put it the wrong way

[real edge]

the toughest thing to install is the cpu cooler usually

[umbral moss]

yeah, because people tend to screw things down incorrectly and the thing tilts

[real edge]

just like me in games

[umbral moss]

and there's no definitive strategy for thermal paste application

[dull garnet]

Lots of people just want to play games

They don't need to know how to assemble a computer

[umbral moss]

conveniently, you don't need to know anything to assemble a computer

"this hole looks like this peg fits in it"

[real edge]

stuff usually comes with everything it needs to connect to something

[modest moss]

thing is

at that price point

you're not gonna build better performance than that HP from ebuyer by a significant amount, if at all

[real edge]

hp usually puts lots of dumb bloatware on their prebuilts so uninstall those if you go with shues suggestion

[modest moss]

yeah a reinstall of windows is probably worth it

but aside from the psu, the cpu/gpu are just a bit better

[real edge]

yeah

[modest moss]

admittedly it's only 512gb, but eh that's not awful

[real edge]

I do not trust prebuilt psus personally but a 600w gold shouldn't be that bad

it should be mediocre but not terrible

psu is the only thing I splurge on

cause its the systems lifeline

if its bad the whole thing comes crashing down

I'd rather spend 200euro on a good psu and never have to worry about it for 10 years

rather than spend 60euro on one and then hundreds on repairs when the thing fails in some capacity

I bought a 750w HXi platinum from corsair like 6 years ago

never had a problem with it ever

best investment

and I can still slot in new stuff in it with adapters

[kindred brook]

@deep sapphire HANK WE NEED MORE TEAM BLUE REPRESENTATION HERE

people bias af

https://tenor.com/view/penguins-of-madagascar-rico-dancing-dance-dance-moves-gif-22963077

[real edge]

6 years is getting on in age tho

so there is some worry

but it should last me another gpu cycle

4070 should slot right in without issues with some adapters

[dull garnet]

what is the warranty rated for

that is what you should consider minimum lifespan

[real edge]

10 year warranty

I bought it in 2016/2017

I do not have the receipt tho, my roommate lost it

but it was 10 years

[hard drift]

it's not biased in here?

[real edge]

I said I would buy a 12400f if I was buying new on a budget lol

[hard drift]

even then, 12400 isn't much more than 12400f lol

when i checked it was 1 euro difference roughly

[kindred brook]

https://tenor.com/view/shingeki-no-kyojin-gif-22455550

[hard drift]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-5-7600x-has-already-been-tested-with-geekbench-40-faster-than-5600x it's looking better than people expected especially since ipc uplift is roughly 13%

[umbral moss]

$699 for the 7950x seems breddy gud

[hard drift]

it's really good considering it's 100 less than the 5950x

the price actually went down for top end

[umbral moss]

probably because top-end boards cost $1200 lmao

[hard drift]

lmfao

[umbral moss]

and you need to buy all new RAM for it

[hard drift]

i mean top end boards already did cost a ton

now with x670E and shit though....

also this b650E as well... this generation is going to be confusing af lol

[umbral moss]

I hate the way tech companies name stuff

just absolutely fuckin awful

the letter X should be removed from marketing documentation for the next 15 years

just rip that key off their keyboards

if they enter the ASCII manually the OS ignores it

[modest moss]

as if Raz is on a team anyway

[kindred brook]

I'm on Team Shue

[modest moss]

[kindred brook]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/x1kmd8/amd_ryzen_5_7600x_has_already_been_tested_with/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

can't benchmarks be rigged

wasn't intel caught doing that

for years

[hard drift]

?

they're coming soon

[tame tartan]

"as you can see, our number of numbers is higher than our competition, which clearly means our product is superior"
"but you haven't even told us the specs yet"

[hard drift]

i just barely posted this 😭

[kindred brook]

Oh

I'm sorry

[hard drift]

[odd sand]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-chosen-one-you-were-the-chosen-one-gif-7521423

AMD jacking up prices now

[hard drift]

they didn't even jack up prices lol

they lowered them

[umbral moss]

🤔

AMD prices are plenty cheap

[odd sand]

Well, they started with 5000 series, but now the motherboard prices are up and you need DDR5 ram

[umbral moss]

I paid $589 for my 6850k back in 2016

$699 for a CPU that vastly dunks on it in performance is a steal

[dull garnet]

amd started making good chips and charged more for good chips

[hard drift]

ddr5 is cheap for a bad just wanting to get by kit

[odd sand]

X670 supposed to be min price of $125 for motherboards they said. Used to be able to get mini-ATX boards for half that

[hard drift]

i mean it's not highest end, plus b series is more than enough for most

[odd sand]

That 7600X price is a bit sus for 6 cores, but the others seem okay even if higher than Zen2 from a couple years ago

[hard drift]

7600x is a really good choice now so i mean it’s fine imo for price

[umbral moss]

x670e going for $1200

for that much money it better come with a life insurance policy so your wife doesn't kill you when she finds out how much it cost

[odd sand]

And supposedly the E isn't even a different spec, it's just a guarantee of PCIe lanes going to specific things

[hard drift]

I mean it allows pcie 5 on ssd and gpu

[odd sand]

GN was saying x670 and x670e were the same so 🤷‍♀️

[hard drift]

it is not the same, idk where he got that

[odd sand]

I think he was just referring to number of PCIe lanes

The only difference I can read from that description for E tho is saying PCIe 5.0 also includes GPU

But current cards don't even fully saturate the bandwidth on a PCIe 3.0 slot, so 4.0 should be fine for quite awhile yet

[hard drift]

i mean new cards saturate 3.0 4.0 will 100% be needed for mid-high end for this gen

[umbral moss]

I mean, the difference is going to be what, like 3-5% if you don't have PCIEe 5.0?

[hard drift]

if that, we'll have to see

[umbral moss]

although if you're getting on the hype train day 1 it makes no sense not to buy the x670e

since you get all the features right away

[odd sand]

Sure, my point was we're just now saturating 3.0 after like 10 years. 4.0 should be good within the life of the gen for sure

[dull garnet]

not according to bidori

[hard drift]

what?

[umbral moss]

gonna need that gen 5 bandwidth in 2035 when they finally make GPUs capable of 4k/144 with raytracing on

[dull garnet]

looking forward to my 9090 Ti!

[umbral moss]

just in time for nvidia to reset the numbers again

back to the 480ti

[deep sapphire]

Buying a six core is a waste of money

They should have just skipped it and made a low end 8 core

[hard drift]

i mean it performs well atleast lol

supposedly

plus it's not that bad considering consoles are still roughly around there

[obtuse linden]

@real edge so in your opinion should i get the palicomp build you made or the hp pc?

[real edge]

the hp pc will need some additional storage if you want more space, idk how warranties regarding that work

I am skeptical of prebuilts but I do like the HP pcs specs

it does have a worse psu and worse storage so that is what you are trading for a slightly better gpu and cpu

it does have an HDD but who uses HDDS nowdays

[obtuse linden]

ikr xD

[real edge]

is the slightly better gpu, cpu and price worth the psu and storage?

IDK how warranties work regarding prebuilts tho

[obtuse linden]

well the storage is okay for now, you said the psu is pretty important though

[real edge]

I do not know what the model is

if I knew I could tell you the differences

[obtuse linden]

the hp one says its 600 W 80 Plus Gold efficiency certified ATX power supply

thats it

[dull garnet]

people who want to store thing

[real edge]

yea no model nothing

[real edge]

yea I mean for games and stuff

I assume he wants to game on it and browse the net

the lack of model number makes me skeptical

or type

[obtuse linden]

yeah

[real edge]

is it evga or corsair or what

[obtuse linden]

im looking but it dont say anything about the type

:T

[real edge]

I still wouldn't pay 1k quid for years old equipment but if you are desperate

if you can wait a few months we have the 40 series gpus coming out and new cpus

[obtuse linden]

nah i struggle with being patient

i know i sound stupid

[real edge]

the hp one is not bad but you will need to re-install windows to get rid of the hp bloatware

also if you can look on ebay for used gpus

[obtuse linden]

idk at this point its either i get the palicomp pc or just give up and buy a ps5 lol

[real edge]

the hp one is not that bad

neither is the one I built, the only real problem is the price point for old stuff

pcs have more use than consoles

and more games

[obtuse linden]

yeahhh

thats true

well okay, my two options atm are the palicomp or the hp

im not buying anything straight away, still have a couple more days till i get extra cash

[real edge]

also its not necessary to have up to date equipment to play games

[dull garnet]

how does that become a 22 min video

[real edge]

I have a 5yr old graphics card

and it can pull 60-100fps in all games at 1440p

[hard drift]

taking it apart, repasting, explaining the process/learning how to deep clean certain parts?

[real edge]

for me

[umbral moss]

15 minutes of sponsored content, 7 minutes of actual video

[obtuse linden]

i use just 1080p atm, im fine with it as long as its 60fps

[hard drift]

then you'd be fine pretty much with 3060 range for gpu

[obtuse linden]

i dont play fps games so i dont need anything really powerful

most power hungry game id probably play would be horizon zero dawn/monster hunter world for example

[umbral moss]

isn't HZD weirdly GPU hungry

[obtuse linden]

if it can play those games with ultra settings at 60 fps then im good to go

[hard drift]

those are both pretty demanding

[hard drift]

yes

[obtuse linden]

The reviews for the hp pc are pretty much all saying that it gets very hot and is very loud. Apparently the psu is weak too

Says the psu isnt modular

[real edge]

yeaaaaa not being specific about the model of the psu is a red flag

[obtuse linden]

They saying there arent enough fans and not good cooling

[real edge]

I will say

the palicomp site is so bad

it does not update anything dynamically

the site seems very amateurish

this might be better than the one I sent before @obtuse linden

and cheaper

the rest is as it was before, as in...the default the site has

but the site is amateurish at best

system price should be this

[obtuse linden]

its a british pc shop in crewe, got great reviews on facebook

[real edge]

ahh I see

[obtuse linden]

okidoki lemme have a look

[real edge]

with that promo it seems like you get a 3070 and a corsair 750w rm psu

[boreal surge]

MHW also has an unfixed memory leak problem

[umbral moss]

how could they have a memory leak issue when MHW is a console game

consoles have what, 8GB of unified system memory?

[obtuse linden]

@real edge i configured it but its 1025? i keep checking it to see if i missed something xD

[real edge]

click the promo and the 5600x below and it should be 955

[obtuse linden]

did you use a different case?

ive got a white case thats +£70

ohh nvm it was the case lol

i have a thing for white cases as you can probably tell

[dull garnet]

seems like most people in here do

[boreal surge]

Might be an iceborne thing but I gave it a few plays of it recently and was reminded of it

And when I say remind I meant it crashed on my 16GB ram laptop

It might’ve been a graphics card mem leak tho, google if interested

[sly elk]

that sweet sweet ad money

[sly elk]

HP? a big box system builder won't bother telling ya lol. It's probably someone like acbel or samsung. and those are fine.

I suppose it depends? the problem with PSUs in those sorts of machines is they're usually made to handle whatever the machine shipped with

until recently alienware usually tossed 1000w-ish PSUs into everything though lol

they don't normally use chinese brand X stuff like a smaller system builder might

[dull garnet]

Get a [brand]

[dull garnet]

1080p Full HD Rice

[sly elk]

interesting

people on hackernews talking about boycotting chrome and recommending firefox because of the MV3 extensions permissions thing

I'm pleasantly surprised

[dull garnet]

They're both awful

[sly elk]

the reddit neckbeards generally detest firefox because they're too anti-woke for its "don't hate people" TOS lol

yea yea I know, MS Edge is the best current gen browser and we should all use it

[dull garnet]

Maybe the internet is just awful

Maybe that's the issue

Honestly my biggest issue with Firefox is the massive waste of space at the top of my screen

[sly elk]

ah does edge still have that feature to put the tabs in the title bar?

[dull garnet]

There's probably an extension to fix it on FF lol

[sly elk]

that new g502 tho

AND THEY HAVE A WHITE VERSION

TOOK THEM LONG ENOUGH

oh they have a page already

https://www.logitechg.com/en-us/products/gaming-mice/g502-x-plus-wireless-lightforce.910-006169.html

i want it >> but that price X_X

the wired is 79 and there's a no-rgb version for 139

[hard drift]

I’m glad wired is an option

[dull garnet]

Wired still #1

[sly elk]

i guess i was thinking about IE's compact theme

[dull garnet]

Depreciated

ie5 best

[odd sand]

How about Champagne Gold? :)

This is the one I have. Could find it cheaper elsewhere possibly. When I got it it was like $160 https://www.amazon.com/Zojirushi-NS-ZCC10-Uncooked-Premium-1-0-Liter/dp/B00007J5U7/

Neuro Fuzzy is just their fancy name for "micom" aka "humidity sensor"

Those are the ones where the cook time adjusts for how much water you put in, so you don't have to worry about it being too dry or having to wait while it sits on warm mode longer to steam off more so its not soggy if you added too much etc.

Although one with a steam tray can be nice for doing vegetables and rice at the same time, but I imagine that messes with the sensor for the rice, so its probably only in the non-micom ones

Yep, mine has a chime for starting and ending lol

Thumbrests are why I didn't use logi mice for a long time and stuck with deathadder

And that's actually a slightly more basic version of the one I linked I have lol

For some reason the 10cup is $199 on amazon but the vendors selling the 5.5 want 225

https://www.discovery-japan.me/category/select/pid/7083/language/en/currency/USD

$143 from here

[kindred brook]

OK

GUYS

EMERGENCY

on the phoine with a friend

he is replacing his amd fan

he is missing these

for the OEM fan

what are these called

what are they called

lemme google

Uh

he took out his old fan....

hes not tech savvy

he might have uh removed them somehow???

hmmmm

he's using the prism fan

the OEM prism fan

wait hes sending me a photo

of his motherboard

I knew it wasn't a fan issue

he was like I broke the fan or something

with the prism fan

and I was like ????

will those work with the prism fan tho?

OK here I'll give you his story

He called me one day

"My fan is spinning really loudly"

me "Ok your fan is probably clogged or dusted or something"

he checks it out

"Yeah there was like a huge furball inside the heatsin"

he bought a replacement prism

hes scared to use

any other cooler

hes scared

to use any other cooler

look hes not tech savvy lol

I told him

oh

do you think

its behind the motherboard then?

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/148162866208440321/1014319648948375582/unknown.png?width=762&height=1014

OK

thats kind

of a shiet design???

no?

really??

WHAT WHEN I CLEAN MY COOLERS I DON"T REMOVE THE ENTIRE MOBO

have I been doing it wrong

my entire life

[paper tusk]

it works fine for basic needs (the hockey puck cooler without a copper slab)

key term basic

[kindred brook]

yeah hes basic lol

[royal forge]

Ice, u buyin new AMD chips?

[kindred brook]

ok thanks for the assist

[royal forge]

Damn. Cant use u as guinea pig

[kindred brook]

so I think what happened was that he removed it

and then he had it standing again

[royal forge]

[kindred brook]

and thats when the retention screws

slipped down

GG

tahts my guess

[void dove]

This is literally by design for most coolers,lol, only the shittiest intel stock coolers don't do this.

Learn to PC 😋

[kindred brook]

thanks for the emergency assist icehunter

that was pretty quick

figured out the solution lol

yeah he webcammed and was like THIS COOLER ISN"T FITTING

AND ITS THE SAME ONE

[void dove]

Read instructions, kek

[kindred brook]

I told him to upgrade the cooler

but he said it looked scary

[void dove]

Hard I kno

[paper tusk]

I still have a wrath stealth and 2 of the slightly upgraded ones and umm yeah it should fit no problem

(thanks amd for dumping another cooler on me when I rma'ed. the amount of dust it'll collect is epic)

[hard drift]

i might have to see how min fps/frametimes are

especially since i'm still on 3000 series

[kindred brook]

ok

@tame fulcrum

my friend couldn't find the retention screws

whats a am cooler you reocmmend

amd

and with a bracket

[dull garnet]

the deepcool ak620 looks decent

very similar performance to a d15 too

[kindred brook]

70 DOLLARS

hes getting married soon

lemme see

Nah

[modest moss]

if he bought a cooler

[kindred brook]

its 2000 amd

or 3000 amd

[modest moss]

why not just buy a bracket

or

find the bracket he had

[kindred brook]

he had the screews

[modest moss]

what the fuck is going on

so get it out

[kindred brook]

he said he can't find it

he removed the motherboard

and can't find it

I don't know

hes not tech savvy

I'm going by what he told me ok

[modest moss]

did the cooler have those dumb feet that don't need a plate?

[kindred brook]

NVM

he found

his bracket

ok it was at the bottom

of the pc

next to his ssd

LOL

bruh

he called me and was like

I CANT FIND IT

then he just called me

"ITS THE SAME SIZE AS THE SSD

I THOUGHT IT WAS AN SSD

ITS NEXT TO THE SSD

I have no idea

don't ask me my guy

his plate has feet

dad

it walked away

[modest moss]

is this guy blood related to you Raz?

[kindred brook]

no

hes white af

[modest moss]

are you sure bro

[kindred brook]

I'm asian

hes white

[modest moss]

I still have doubts

[kindred brook]

LOOK HJOW MANY TIMES

I HAD TO CONFIRM

WITH HIM

[modest moss]

true, maybe airheads are attracted to each other

[kindred brook]

First of all~!

I'm an airhead only at life

and Pc building

and talking to people

and everything I do

[modest moss]

we still like you Raz dw

[kindred brook]

Hey I helped my friend out

NP ok

hes the one who couldn't figure it out

I atleast can fix my stuff

like the PSU

ITS STILL WORKING TYVM

it was a battery backup

oh

a UPS

not a PSU

I meant UPS!!

I had to switch the battery out

and there was 2 small car like batteries

and I had this connecting cable

and I wired them together

I had the worst first world problem the other day a moonsoon blacked out the entire neighborhood

isn't UPS the battery backup?

😮

damn that sounds scary

https://www.amazon.com/AMD-Ryzen-3600-12-Thread-Processor/dp/B07STGGQ18/ref=as_li_ss_tl?keywords=r5+3600&qid=1573877721&sr=8-1&linkCode=sl1&tag=techsource02-20&linkId=868f7596b4dfa765ff0d724a34fd57a1

oh

and this is what hes running

with a spire

[sullen arch]

Not sure why, but when I play XIV on my first monitor and I have YouTube on the second, the second monitor's frames seem to drop, anyone got any ideas as to why?

[kindred brook]

I just googled a video and I understood it

don't know why he couldn't figure it out from that

[deep sapphire]

5700XT?

[odd sand]

If AMD is far ahead of Intel, the only issue for me is I wanted to re-use my DDR4 memory for my upgrade, and I couldn't do that with AMD since its DDR5 only

[sullen arch]

Come again?

[deep sapphire]

What’s your graphics card

[sullen arch]

RTX 3060

[deep sapphire]

Try updating your graphics card drivers and see if it helps, also try other video quality settings on YouTube if you are watching something at 4K 60 while playing a game that can cause some stuttering

[modest moss]

ya, what resolution/refresh rate are both monitors?

also, is Hank a 10/10 handsome or an 11/10 hunky?

[sly elk]

most people are afraid to break something

which is funny because sometimes that fear leads to broken things

like leaving "remove before use" plastic covers on things

[sullen arch]

They’re both 60

[modest moss]

what resolution? 1080? 1440p? 4k?

[sullen arch]

The thing is they’re both up to date as well

[sullen arch]

1080p

[modest moss]

do you have XIV set on full screen or borderless?

[sullen arch]

Borderless

[modest moss]

I have never done that. Nope. No way.

[modest moss]

sorry I have no ideas then

[sullen arch]

Dang, ok then, if you know anyone who might, just tell them to tag when if they can

[sly elk]

I think that's pretty funny

idk why they put a protective cover on a cheap heatsink anyway

you only need that if you have pre-applied paste

if it were some high end mirror-finish copper waterblock, sure

but that, some hairline scratches won't do shit. the stock interface is already pretty marred lol

[sly elk]

I fried my pentium 3 build 😦

with a CHEAP power supply

[royal forge]

Hmmm...

Has anyone had experience transporting pcs and monitors without original packaging?

Hand carry or luggae on planes

[odd sand]

The cost of transporting the monitor safely is probably more than just buying one at the destination.

[sly elk]

depends

[odd sand]

Ditto with the PC: Remove the motherboard and peripherals and put them in ESD in your carry-on. Buy a new case when you arrive.

I think my friend once took the whole system on a plane minus the HDD, but it fit inside one of those large checked luggages

I think modern cases tend to be too wide, and of course with any sort of glass would be a big nono

[sly elk]

if i were moving across country I'd put my pc in a giant pelican case and probably mail it or something

[royal forge]

Ye, its just, im thinkin of buildin a pc here, but when i can finally escape, i'd like to bring the pc back

[sly elk]

if you're gonna do that, build a small form factor one maybe?