technology-discussion

[hard drift]

Whatever 🤷‍♂️

[deep sapphire]

see

[hard drift]

I’m out now 🙏

[deep sapphire]

cant wait to grab a superior product up

[hard drift]

If nvidia was so superior they would’ve never had been this close to amd and never needed a super gpu

[deep sapphire]

the super GPU came out a year after the original 2000 series did

whats your argument

[dull garnet]

More products is bad, actually

[deep sapphire]

could you imagine if AMD was our only option?

[hard drift]

And never would have existed had they not seen amd as competitors

[deep sapphire]

they dont

90 percent market share

[dull garnet]

They gotta do something with the badly binned chips

[hard drift]

I mean then why did the 3090 ti exist then?

[dull garnet]

Peen

[hard drift]

6900xt was too much competition

And for a lot less

[deep sapphire]

yeah I agree

a lot less

im more of a MORE kinda guy

shoot for the limits

[dull garnet]

A lot less reliable hiyo

[deep sapphire]

[hard drift]

I’m done 😔

[deep sapphire]

throwing in the towel just like AMD

@knotty cargo

[knotty cargo]

hi yes im here to discuss technology

i sure do love me some computers

any gamers in the chatroom?

[deep sapphire]

beep boop

[dull garnet]

nvidia gamers only in this chatroom

[knotty cargo]

hi curt

[deep sapphire]

@livid falcon

curt

[dull garnet]

btw why does Light have a boring role colour

[deep sapphire]

color**

[dull garnet]

[livid falcon]

@deep sapphire

Hank

[livid falcon]

Hello

[deep sapphire]

she was looking for you

I told you you had people looking for you

but you said I was a liar

[livid falcon]

You were wrong

[deep sapphire]

Curt

She wants to join EM or w/e you guys are called now

[livid falcon]

Lmao

[dull garnet]

enjoy your hdmi 1.4

badly

[deep sapphire]

maybe you should flush the toilet already kinda nasty

I dont even know what that is

the era is still going

[dull garnet]

amd be like "hmm hbm sure costs a lot"

unlikely

can't even find those cards

[deep sapphire]

look AMD LOST market share in 2022

L M A O

BIDORI LOOK

COMPETITION BABY

[dull garnet]

imagine buying any R9 cards

like bro can't you read

[burnt swallow]

Guys

Me: checks Amazon
My CPU and Cooler: Delivered Today

[dull garnet]

i had a 9||7||0

[burnt swallow]

[agile roost]

Stop shitting on AMD

[dull garnet]

[agile roost]

Stop

🥺

They’re trying their best okay?

[dull garnet]

r9 furry

[deep sapphire]

no

[agile roost]

[dull garnet]

imagine deciding to tempt fate by overclocking a radeon card

at least ice's card has some level of performance

tbh i remember those cards being okay because of the hbm

[burnt swallow]

I has question

If I'm looking for magnetic screw bits what terms should I be looking for

I can't figure out if what I'm looking at has magnetized bits or if the driver is magnetized to hold the bits

[boreal surge]

1 mil base salary sounds ridiculous

Where is that info from anyway

[deep sapphire]

AMD fans always say "I love competition" lol

[dull garnet]

i had a 6850 and it was great

then i got a 670 and haven't bought amd since

[burnt swallow]

I found one finally

[dull garnet]

before the 6850 was 4890, 9800 gtx+, 8800 gtx, 7950 gt, 6800 gt etc

Wish I kept all my gpus

Kinda wanna do a late XP build

Q6600, 8800 GTX

I was using 7 by then

Never owned that hw

Pfft my FX 5600 could play Jedi Academy just fine

Lmaoooo

Dat 512 bit memory tho

It was good for... Benching

[burnt swallow]

I has acquired magnetic screwdriver

It was hiding behind a stud finder

Now I just need my CPU to arrive

[boreal surge]

TFW you’re the only guy following instructions and you have to fix everyone else’s shit because of that so the instructions run properly

[burnt swallow]

F

I have

Absolutely no idea what you're going on about

[dull garnet]

Nvidia ✅
AMD ❎

[burnt swallow]

Cries in RX 6800 XT sitting in a cabinet in my desk

[hard drift]

it'll be fine 😔 reputations are just hard to lose good or bad

[hard drift]

3080 12gb

[odd sand]

https://youtu.be/yYAw79386WI?t=184 🤔

[deep sapphire]

thank you Chevrolet

they do a lot right

like build the best trucks

thats a pontiac you dolt

agreed

[sly elk]

CHADVROLET

i love it hahaha

hey Hank did you ever get to ride a GM bus?

lol when i was little my town still had those

they had no AC. it sucked.

[deep sapphire]

just like my truck

[modest moss]

@dull garnet any thoughts on the nothing phone?

[sly elk]

sadness 😦

vintage GM ac is supposed to be a refrigerator on wheels

i wonder if the nasty stomach cramps i had this morning were related to detailing my jeep yesterday lol. I remember getting grossed out by the vapor from the quick detailer i was using

so I checked the SDS for it and apparently, no known irritants in it

GM never made cars as GM

they are just the parent organization that owns chevy, buick, cadillac, and GMC

I'm on the fence about the lyriq/celestiq

I think the rear end is kinda ugly

but i'll give the mcredit for being unique

it kinda gives me aston martin lagonda vibes

or a citroen of some sort i suppose

[odd sand]

EV boats aren't worth it you mean. I think some of the coupes/sedans start at like 35 from Kia and such

[sly elk]

For sure

It’s funny how expensive the options are

But it makes it a completely different vehicle I’m sure

Idk about the Silverado WV but on the gas ones they have completely different interiors too

I mean

[odd sand]

Why does the Blazer have 3 different bumpers depending on trim level

[sly elk]

Idk about the Silverado but some cars are between with the base model

Or at least they aren’t that much worse lol

Cadillac does it too haha. The car we have had an all digital gauge cluster if you spent another 15k or so I think

[sly elk]

https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=121-AL-E698-KR

i think that is closer to the price it's worth lol

so much to my surprise, that vornado 660 I was looking at, someone directly compared it with a honewell ht900....

that's the little fan I have on the floor next to my desk 😄

I can't believe those two fans are considered in the same ballpark. $15 vs $100!? ah fuck that.

[burnt swallow]

cries in no CPU

[sly elk]

-gives a cookie-

when is it due?

[burnt swallow]

Today

A few hours ago

[sly elk]

to your house or the ups store?

[modest moss]

did they lie?

[sly elk]

oh

[burnt swallow]

The store

I has po box

[burnt swallow]

I guess so

[modest moss]

[sly elk]

no amazon lockers in your area?

[burnt swallow]

No what?

[sly elk]

wtf

wtf, oh it's not real

[burnt swallow]

UPS closes in an hour

Still no CPU

[sly elk]

that reminds me

i forgot i need to change my auto oc to manual 😄

then maybe i can try to see how high I can clock my 9700k

[modest moss]

I just have xmp and turbo on

good times

[sly elk]

gg lol

[jaunty light]

Boss I need an origin pc it costs $13000

[real edge]

big fluffy cat

[burnt swallow]

CPU: finally arrives
Also CPU: arrives two minutes before the store closed

Are you fucking kidding me

How

[solid panther]

2070s is holding out super well so far

Dunno if ill go 30 series next when the 40 hits or just go get something brand new. Depends how good price to performance is

[real edge]

we will be looking at wattage to performance with the 40 series

"is it worth spending 300 on a new psu for the 40 series over keeping my current one and getting an older card"

[vestal crane]

Depends on when you got the PSU tbh

If you got a new one for the 30xx series, fuck that noise

[real edge]

the latest nvidia series has mini power spikes that can go above 550 watts

like, millisecond ones

so a 550w psu might shut off when the power spikes happen

[odd sand]

40 series are supposed to be like 30% higher power overall and huge spikes. Also a 7 year old PSU won't have the same max as it did when knew. You're just asking to damage components if you think you'll be able to use a 550 for anything besides maaaaybe the 4060

Then you have the double-whammy of the new CPUs also being power hogs

[real edge]

550w is not enough for a 3080

3070 is stretching it

[real edge]

that is good

its what I am expecting PSUs to become

in a year or two

which is why I am hesitant to get a 40 series card and a new psu

[royal forge]

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-announces-weaker-q2-gaming-gpu-sales-now-working-with-channel-partners-to-adjust-prices

The company revenue from gaming market has decreased by 44% quarter to quarter, which is described by NVIDIA CEO as ‘significant decline’.

Understatement right there

[umbral moss]

60% is analog topology though

as far as I understand digital supplies, the efficiency is marked off in like, single digit percent difference from 60 to 120% loading

wasn't that the point of digital supplies, that they don't need to have a huge reactive component to offset the PFC circuitry

I thought only the ax series was a digital supply

I thought only enermax still made analog supplies

[umbral moss]

https://www.overclock.net/threads/asus-rog-crosshair-x670e-overclocking-discussion-thread.1799959/

people already firing up the hype machines

[umbral moss]

are the m.2 slots under that cover?

I'm so excited for AM5 launch honestly

but my credit card is fucked and no PC for me for at least 8 months

[hard drift]

what????

[royal forge]

SINGLE LIFE MEANS MORE MONEY FOR ME LIFE

[umbral moss]

which I guess is roughly the same amount of time it'll take for AMD to fix all the bugs in the AM5 launch products

[umbral moss]

oh no, I fucked up badly

I haven't been watching how much money I've been spending on stuff so my credit card ate through all of my cash reserves

absolutely my own fault

[royal forge]

i forgot to tell @potent arrow my RG sazabi delivery got delayed by a month and it's making me itchy for some Witch gundams

[royal forge]

too many figurines?

[umbral moss]

comics on kickstarter

"oh, its only $50, no big deal"

[royal forge]

....

im hyped for new AMD stuff

but the fact that their drivers are almost always jank

[umbral moss]

finewine technology built in

I figure in a year everything will be stabilized and new boards will have landed

[royal forge]

that would be.. legit annoying for me XD

as in, it'll take em THAT long

[umbral moss]

I'm thinking about DDR5 support mostly

[royal forge]

maybe some ok prices too

[umbral moss]

yeah, that's the other thing

in a year the x3d stuff will probably land too

AM5 is going to be a 5 year platform

it's one of the rare advantages of the HEDT shit intel was making, the chipsets are mature so the boards would become very, very refined by the end of the generation

[umbral moss]

isn't the problem that the mispredict opens up cross-page info leaks because the flush command has no protections?

the only way to be 100% immune is to just never be wrong 6head

all the speculative branch predict stuff is fucked on the hardware level

[modest moss]

why do you want one

I thought you had an MSI board coming anyway

the fuck

you're so cursed

[umbral moss]

the monkey's paw curls

[modest moss]

what is amazon.ca return policy like?

can you buy a psu, test it and return if no fix?

[umbral moss]

problem is we shouldn't be using a uarch that started 40 years ago

[modest moss]

no disrespect to innovo who seems a great guy but memory express seems like a really shitty company

[umbral moss]

I mean, it's almost all of them

[modest moss]

you could reach out to corsair, tell them what asus are saying and ask them if they agree/can help

[umbral moss]

I don't think spectre is an issue if you design a hardened uarch to specifically exclude it

I'm saying that ARM doesn't have this issue

they have something like it but it's not nearly as polymorphic

you have unlimited money, but every PC part you buy will be broken or defective

this, the monkey's paw has granted you

I thought arm was immune to spectre because of how it handles branch predict

and there aren't 40 versions of it

[potent arrow]

Do it

[umbral moss]

if I had the ability to get other people to give me money to buy myself shit I would be doing that

[royal forge]

I wanna but the only fucker that claims to have the Witch gundam stuff ready to go is the same fucker who has delayed my shippinggggg

[potent arrow]

I just use hobbylink.

[royal forge]

I wanna. But hobbylink shippin is crazy ex to me for some reaspn

Reason*

Well, i KNOW why, but

[umbral moss]

they made sure to look at your shipping request first

therefore you are priority (in their heart)

[modest moss]

if it takes longer you should ask for a refund on the priority charge at least

[umbral moss]

https://www.theverge.com/2022/8/9/23298076/ford-f-150-lightning-electric-truck-price-order-2023

$7000 more expensive because $reasons

time to dismantle the lithium battery topology

they're gated by lithium cell availability

[modern iris]

Do you think that's worth it at 407$?

Or should I get a 3050 for 330?

My mobo only had pcie 3.0

[real edge]

no 3050

ignore the 3050

act like it does not exist

[modern iris]

Is this card here gonna perform worse on 3.0?

Or is it like negligble

[real edge]

what is your motherboard

[modern iris]

Gigabyte B450m ds3h v2

[odd sand]

$400 is about MSRP for 3060 cards, but that is one of the low-end ones if it only has the one fan on it. Also watch your PII: Your name and zip are in that screenshot

[modern iris]

Lol oops

[odd sand]

I would also avoid the 3050 its not worth it, especially not for 330

[modern iris]

So should I get a dual fan if I can find it that price?

Also is 600 evga br 80+ enough? Currently running a 1060

[agile roost]

If you’re looking for 1080p gaming go for the 3070/ti

[odd sand]

For a 3060 a 600 is fine imho

Would probably need something beefier for the next upgrade if stuff keeps going the way it is tho

[modern iris]

3070 is out of price range atm

[agile roost]

Hmm

[modest moss]

you don't need a 3070/ti for 1080p

that's into 1440p territory

[odd sand]

You could also take your chances on a used card on ebay, there are a lot of mining cards or just ppl flipping and upgrading lately now that card prices went down

[modern iris]

Well I do wanna upgrade my monitor hmm

[agile roost]

I’m considering other factors too show

[modern iris]

No way I'm buying used

[odd sand]

30 series isnt even that old so its not like trying to buy a used 1080ti where it might have been burned in for 5+ years

[agile roost]

^

[modern iris]

True.. but still, dunno where it's been. My dad would kill me if I spent that much on a used card

[odd sand]

And you could look for sellers where it seems like a single seller and not someone flipping a stack of 20 of them where you know its a miner then heh

Just an option if money is tight is all

There are 3080s used now in the $500 range, for example

[modern iris]

I'm just looking to upgrade the 1060 6gb I have. If I get a pcie 4.0 card in 3.0 am I gonna notice performance loss?

[modest moss]

all you'll see is a performance increase, it just won't be as big as if you have a 4.0 board

and I'd bet it wouldn't be a dramatic difference anyway

[modern iris]

It's from like 2019 zotac brand

[modest moss]

1060 came out in 2016

[modern iris]

That's year I bought it I mean

[modest moss]

but it's 6 year old tech

[modern iris]

So what about a 2060 or 1660s?

[modest moss]

pointless imo

[modern iris]

That's the idea yeah

[real edge]

pcie 4 over 3 is not that much of a performance increase

[modern iris]

Mobos aren't too bad

Thanks for the pointers I'm gonna do some more browsing :)

[umbral moss]

even 5.0 isn't much of a performance increase

[real edge]

^

dw about it and just pick your card of choice

[odd sand]

No card today even uses all the bandwidth of 3.0 and if you are doing 1080p or 1440p it doesnt matter

[modern iris]

Is the single fan lesser form factor 3060 gonna perform better than a 3050? I just googled it. Looks like it blows 3050 out of water but is the smaller card gonna lose our?

[modest moss]

yes it'll be much better than any 3050

[odd sand]

I dunno the exact specs, but those single fan cards sometimes cheap out on the memory bandwidth to bring the price down and sometimes less vram

Either way yes, it will still be a lot better. the 3050 is a bit of a meme that was put out during covid when you could sell a GT1030 for $100+

[modern iris]

Yeah I read on the 3050. Budget card

[umbral moss]

yeah, I wish I had bought bitcoin when they were worth actually nothing

sure bro, 25k bitcoins for a pizza, no problem

[modern iris]

Bitcoin is so volatile though

[umbral moss]

25k at 140k a piece

[dull garnet]

it isn't even 1%

[modern iris]

It's hard to know when to cash out

[odd sand]

Except even if you bought back then, would you have kept it?

doge is dead, should have sold during the original pump

[umbral moss]

if I had a time machine to tell myself to buy bitcoin I'd make sure I told myself to become one of those idiot hodlers until january 2022

cash my ass out and make everyone hold my bags

25k coins at 65-70k is enough money to retire and put money in an actual good investment program

[modern iris]

It's the best way to be rich without actually being rich. Just like with stock market

[umbral moss]

like, if I had a big B billion I'd never go to work again

live off the dividends from investments and just take my girlfriend on vacation constantly

although I suspect she'd get bored

[modest moss]

maybe you should try being better company

[modern iris]

I haven't had that problem in a while. Single for 5 years

[umbral moss]

https://tenor.com/view/trash-sorry-im-trash-sorry-im-trash-gif-7528144

[modest moss]

[umbral moss]

she'd be bored because she has the attention span of a goldfish and has to be working to stay occupied

if she was just traveling all the time she'd be bored

[dull garnet]

man i wish i bought gold 50 years ago

[umbral moss]

same

sorely tempted to start a shitcoin and rug pull it

[modern iris]

Here's a question, should I get a rx 6600 xt over a 3060?

[umbral moss]

er, I mean, use smart contracts to ensure the stability of the coin

[modern iris]

I see one on sale for 350

[real edge]

look at benchmarks from hardware unboxed and gamers nexus

also check the price of the 6700xt

[modern iris]

Gamers Nexus? 6700 too much

[real edge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFHOZN5AV6E

[dull garnet]

a used 1080 Ti

[modern iris]

6600 feels right. And my dad will be happy I didn't blow all my refund check lmfao

[umbral moss]

chips act passed, just in time for intel to soak up all those fat subsidies to do nothing for the next 12 years

[modest moss]

be aware that there is a higher chance of driver issues with an AMD GPU, particularly with FFXIV

it'll probably be fine, but the risk is certainly higher than with nvidia

[umbral moss]

the earnings calls in 2024 where intel describes how they're still struggling to get fab 27 online and they forecast a need for additional government funding

yep

let's make semiconductors competitive again

oh no, why did everyone take our money and give themselves fat stock buybacks

[dull garnet]

now that's freedom

[boreal surge]

I’d burn every reference to that shitstain if I could

Toeing it

[odd sand]

I hope they stipulated that shit for once. Bush's two tax rebates were used for stock buyback and I think the airline industry did that as well with their bailout money over covid

[umbral moss]

god no, the whole thing is designed to encourage the wealthy to sign on

[odd sand]

AMD can be counted on to produce something competitive about every 7-10 years. And yes, they're just enough to loosely keep Intel reigned in from screwing ppl 24/7

[umbral moss]

so the legislation will explicitly not call out the misuse of delivered funds

[potent arrow]

I mean, they were the best option when it came to price and performance for years

[odd sand]

Except for that whole 2011-2019 era where they weren't competitive and Intel did just that

[umbral moss]

look at how much fun foxconn is having running circles around racine county

v nice 8k AI + 5g building making Very Quality products

[potent arrow]

The reason why I've been using amd is just price to perf

[odd sand]

Haha funny you mention that, there was just an article in the paper about Racine lamenting the Foxconn deal

[umbral moss]

[odd sand]

ANd I was like ... YA THINK? It was painfully obvious the whole thing was gonna implode and it was just a corrupt deal by Walker

[potent arrow]

it's also nice for my clients rn because they didnt change their sockets, so ive done plenty of drop in CPU replacements

[umbral moss]

we gave this company a blank check to do whatever they wanted and they just took the money and ran

how could this happen to us

[odd sand]

You know the only person who made money from the Foxconn thing locally? Walker's buddy and business partner that was given the $500M road construction contract

[umbral moss]

I mean, foxconn's CEO also made a lot of money off that deal

[odd sand]

They forced all those farmers out of their family farms owned for 100+ years and now its just empty land

[umbral moss]

not according to foxconn, they're using that space to produce something

but when the verge asked them what the "something" was they got threatened with a defamation suit

[inland mauve]

they're using that space to produce hot air

[umbral moss]

technically yes, because it used to be farmland and now it's useless dirt

grass is a better carbon sink than trees

[umbral moss]

but think of the jobs, shinon

[jaunty light]

Jeorbs

[umbral moss]

we created 120 whole shit-paying jobs in exchange for that farmland and all those people being forcibly evicted

[odd sand]

I am, they are in my dreams, just like the ones in Racine

[modern iris]

And ppl wonder why food is so expensive. I swear, bureaucracy at it's worst

[umbral moss]

isn't a couple of mcjobs worth hundreds of people going destitute and homeless

eminent domain

[odd sand]

https://wccftech.com/ddr5-6000-memory-sweet-spot-for-amd-ryzen-7000-zen-4-desktop-cpus/

[umbral moss]

foxconn wanted the whole area and not everyone wanted to sell, because it's their fuckin property

so the wisconsin state government forced them to leave

[odd sand]

You could tell the entire time that Foxconn wasn't really fully engaged and would likely back out or half-ass the outcome

[umbral moss]

oh, they fully knew what they were doing

this is their MO at home too

take the handout and do nothing

anyone with two brain cells knew they were going to cheat the deal

[modern iris]

I only have a Ryzen 5 3600x I lucked out because my motherboard just happened to be the right one for it. Now I'm maxed out

[umbral moss]

6000 isn't that expensive to come by with low latency, either

it's not like the 6400 kits where you need cherry picked chips and like 1.4V to get to CL38

[odd sand]

See, I'll wait for 15th gen then I can get my DDR5-8400 CL36 /s

[umbral moss]

ok icehunter

[dull garnet]

wouldn't call a 3600x maxed out, or do you mean you have a new chip

[umbral moss]

spend $6000 on 128GB of DDR5-8400 because my workstation needs it

every single dimm is defective

[modern iris]

I can't put it anything better in.

Or at least I think I'm stuck on Ryzen 5

[real edge]

you can put 5xxx cpus on b450 boards

[dull garnet]

you can almost certainly put something better in

[real edge]

a bios update is all you need

[modern iris]

Oh I see. I thought only went up to 3600 for some reason

[odd sand]

5800x3d go

[modern iris]

I had to update my bios to get tpm for w11 now I'm back using 10 again

[potent arrow]

most if not all boards are now bios updated to handle 5xxx

[odd sand]

Assuming you dont get older stock yeah

[potent arrow]

untill you get one thats randomly not and you get absoultely but fucked

This is why I always have a laptop and a usb for motherboard flashing

god bless qflash

[real edge]

I can update my bios through my bios

[dull garnet]

i would put money on that update only enabling tpm by default

lmao

[potent arrow]

I mean yeah if you have a cpu plugged in

[dull garnet]

the bios flashback function my board has is great, you don't even need a cpu installed

[potent arrow]

but amd doesnt have onboard graphics

so qflash is sex for that

[potent arrow]

exactly

[dull garnet]

and it is one click

i use it to update the bios sometime just because it is so easy

[potent arrow]

one click qflash

actually iirc you cant even do it with a cpu in the board

[dull garnet]

can on my msi at least

[potent arrow]

not on my gigashit board

[umbral moss]

gigabyte sucks

[potent arrow]

I like them because cheao

I save like 10% on bulk Gigashit

[umbral moss]

yeah, you get what you pay for

[potent arrow]

Better then MSI.

[odd sand]

You say that but I've owned like 4-5 gigabyte boards now and never had an issue or a DOA so 🤷‍♀️

[potent arrow]

I have much more issues with MSI for some reason so I have a personal vendetta

[dull garnet]

i used to always buy gigabyte

i will stick with msi now

[potent arrow]

The two boards is stock for AMD

[dull garnet]

or just get whatever recommended board is

[potent arrow]

Gigabugs B550I for standard and budget

Rog for higher end

That's just how I do it

[dull garnet]

i bought the A520I AC for the gf

decent quality lower end itx board

force itx builds on people by the looks of it

[modest moss]

she endangers her own life constantly, breaks microwaves, that kind of thing

[dull garnet]

[potent arrow]

Stfu

System integration for people in my immediate area

[potent arrow]

Sff ftw

[modest moss]

ilu don't be angry

[potent arrow]

For your record

I didn't kill a microwave this month

[modest moss]

[potent arrow]

Just a mini fridge

[modest moss]

...

how many days since the last personal injury?

[potent arrow]

Lol like 2 shue

[modest moss]

saffron btw Sarah is actually very smart and gives great advice to others and I trust her

but she's 100% one of those 'do as I say and not as I do' people

[potent arrow]

@modest moss

[modest moss]

genuine RL smh

[potent arrow]

I still don't know how to play this game

I would just use a sterilized disposable scalpel and cut it out

[modest moss]

Sarah would have grabbed a shard of glass and sliced that fuckin' splinter out

[potent arrow]

LISTEN

I HAVE MEDICAL TOOLS I CAN USE

IM NOT THAT BARBARIC

Yeah I do lol

[modest moss]

mate she needs to

she's a fucking hazard

[potent arrow]

I'm first aid trained

And partially first responder trained lol

[modest moss]

since I've known Sarah I think she's set herself on fire at least 3 different times

that's how she rolls

Sarah keeps an open container of mercury on her desk

she's next level

[potent arrow]

Actually now it's a bucket of pcb etchant lol

The mercury is under my bed in a Gatorade bottle now

No

Deadby35

[modest moss]

every day that Sarah posts here is both a blessing and a miracle

[potent arrow]

Does red bull and Gatorade count

[modest moss]

luckily she has a gf who looks after her

[potent arrow]

*caretaker

[modest moss]

well, tries to

[potent arrow]

Correction

A mini fridge and a small oven

Talking about lunch...

[modest moss]

[potent arrow]

Reese's piece

[sly elk]

ahhhhh jeep is selling aftermarket... windshield wipers....

they're ridiculous and overpriced but I kinda dig the idea

it's not like that hasn't been done before though

but what I've seen before is a nozzle clipped to the wiper arm

this just has a bunch of holes in the wiper blade itself lol

ahh I see, the kit to convert is >$100 but not sure on the price of replacement blades yet :\

[modest moss]

you don't need them

you don't go offroad

save your money for trashcans

[potent arrow]

give me a drill and a some aquarium tubing

[dull garnet]

That's a feature

Yes

Also Ferrari being notoriously badly made

[potent arrow]

@sly elk

[sly elk]

don't worry, i'm not buying them 😄

[burnt swallow]

Today is a great day to finally get my CPU and build this PC

[sly elk]

https://tenor.com/view/ffxiv-ff14-happy-tunes-songbirds-cam-gif-22224751

[potent arrow]

Now drop the CPU into the socket

[paper tusk]

assuming the car doesn't self immobilize in protest (flamables + hawt exhaust = roadside bbq)

[burnt swallow]

THEY'RE HERE

Shush

I didn't feel like finding a worse cooler

[patent cairn]

I've been playing the game for two-ish weeks now, and I've been getting constant 90006 errors.

We have gotten a new router recently, so I was wondering if that could have anything to do with it?
If so, is there any way I can fix it?
trace route I did, it timed out at 12.

I've tried a VPN, and it has worked to fix things temporarily, but the ping is too bad to support raids. I've reinstalled the game, restarted both my router and pc, configured to googles DNS ports.

[burnt swallow]

'Tis unboxing time

[modest moss]

https://tenor.com/view/nope-real-housewives-of-potomac-no-nah-thats-not-true-gif-23648450

[burnt swallow]

Case unboxed

Glass not exploded

Is great victory

[modest moss]

the S is fine though lol

[burnt swallow]

GPU unboxed

Is massive

Is also completely untouched

Great victory

I pulled it out

Bag is fully sealed

[odd sand]

I remember the first time I saw a Noctua was in Tsukumo when I visited Akihabara. Was absolutely ridiculous at the time compared to anything else on the market

[dull garnet]

oh no amd

[latent grotto]

But the price to performance

Also amd drivers recently have been stable at least for me

[burnt swallow]

PSU unboxed

Two parts remain

CPU cooler unboxed

One part remains

Then it's building time my friends

[sly elk]

that heatsink box is big 😄

[odd sand]

Watching videos on Servicenow. Flows seem quite similar to PowerBI. Although I assume it was probably the other way around

[burnt swallow]

The heatsink is big

What the fuck is this thing

[sly elk]

??

[dull garnet]

it is very large

overkill for an i5

[burnt swallow]

Yis

Also

Motherboard unboxed

'Tis building time

Can I take the anti-static bag it's in and put that on top of the box then set the mobo on it

[modest moss]

yes that's what I do

[burnt swallow]

Bet

Alright

So

CPU Cooler RAM m.2 SSD on mobo, mobo in case then install the rest?

[dull garnet]

i would not do that

i would put the motherboard right on the box

[burnt swallow]

Why not on the bag

[dull garnet]

because that can be susceptible to static, i think

[burnt swallow]

How can an anti-static bag be susceptible to static

[modest moss]

I mean by the time you've touched the bag you'd think it's grounded, no?

how do you open the bag without touching the bag

[burnt swallow]

I was about to say

[modest moss]

just do what speedy says

[burnt swallow]

Also I just realized I'm woefully unprepared for building this I ain't got nothing to ground anything once I put things in the case

[modest moss]

he's a nerd and doesn't break things

[burnt swallow]

Anyways

CPU + Cooler + RAM + m.2 then mobo goes in case right?

[dull garnet]

you know what, i'm sure it would be fine but i've heard mixed things over the years. testing a pc with the board on the box is very common advise, recommended before placing in the case even

[burnt swallow]

Wtf do you mean cables first

[dull garnet]

with a D15S perhaps

i just about get by on my cooler

is a good idea if you have modular cabling though sure

[burnt swallow]

My PSU is fully modular

Speaking of PSU

I bet taking the shroud out would be a good idea

Do you mean before putting the cooler on

[dull garnet]

yes

[burnt swallow]

Oh

So CPU RAM m.2 then put mobo in case and connect cables

Then cooler

Then everything else

[dull garnet]

specifically cpu power before mobo in case

or you'll struggle once it is in

[burnt swallow]

I has question

How the fuck do I know which way this CPU goes in the socket

Oh

The cover also has an arrow

Well that was easy

[dull garnet]

until you drop the cpu in the socket and the corner smashes your pins

[burnt swallow]

That would require there to be pins

[dull garnet]

what do you think is in the socket

[burnt swallow]

Oh I thought you meant on the cpu itself

Nah they're fine

[dull garnet]

i may have done that before

[modest moss]

bent pins are fun

[dull garnet]

hw was pretty old by that point at least, but yeah

[modest moss]

speedy, nothing phone, good or nah?

[dull garnet]

looks bad

overpriced, bad soc

[modest moss]

reluctant to buy 6a because review said reception isn't great out of big cities

so idk

[dull garnet]

doesn't that rely on your carrier

or depend on, rather

unless they're specifically talking about 5g. in which case lol, barely get coverage in the uk as is

[burnt swallow]

I has question

There was a small screw under the m.2 heatsink

I took it out

I put my m.2 in the slot

I can't put the screw back

Help

Does this screw even belong here

[dull garnet]

i can't come and put it back for you

it should be used to secure the m.2 in place typically

[modest moss]

They said something about it being based on exynos rather than qualcomm and that not being ideal

[burnt swallow]

There's this thing on the screw that's wider than the semi-circle opening on the end of the m.2

I can't put the screw back because of it

[modest moss]

The mobo manual should what you're meant to do

Or pics here

[burnt swallow]

The mobo manual doesn't show me shit besides how to put the CPU in

[modest moss]

Look online for a youtube build video with that mobo

[dull garnet]

maybe it has a funky retention mechanism then

would seem odd to include a screw if that were the case though

[burnt swallow]

The screw

There's also a weird little plastic piece between the thing on the screw and the head of the screw itself

[modest moss]

Youtube the mobo

[burnt swallow]

Oh

Well ain't that great

That screw shouldn't have came off the motherboard to begin with

Fuck

[dull garnet]

seems unlikely

there are different sized m.2 cards, i imagine that can be moved depending on the length

[burnt swallow]

That's not the issue

The issue is the thing around the screw is supposed to be attached to the motherboard

And you loosen the screw

As you can see in my pic it's not attached to the motherboard

The screw itself won't move

And this plastic piece on it isn't in the video

That I can see

Wdym

Oh

Yeah

[dull garnet]

its so easy you have to watch two youtube videos to figure out how to use it!

:p

did that guy's video really need to be 10 mins

guess it was in the manual after all

[umbral moss]

why read the manual when you can, you know, not

[dull garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/i-give-it-to-ya-you-got-me-there-you-got-me-tricked-prank-gif-4730848

gotta say though that heatsink retention thing seems like an awful design

not that m.2 drives need heatsinks

[modest moss]

I definitely prefer being the one reading a live-build than being the one live-building

[dull garnet]

wtf this hacked my pc!

[modest moss]

Shit my phone is pwned now

[dull garnet]

oh wait a sec i use amd

[umbral moss]

it's a nice to have, not exactly a must-have by any stretch

[dull garnet]

i'm not really sure about that but i haven't had any real issues with my 6

[umbral moss]

that'll teach you to click random links on the internet lmao

[modest moss]

I'll probably just try and drag this old dog out until black Friday and hope for the best

[dull garnet]

not a bad idea

i upgraded because my phone stopped getting security updates but i know that doesn't deter some people

[modest moss]

I haven't had security updates in years

Still on marshmallow iirc

[umbral moss]

security on android is kind of a joke

since it's a google OS and designed to datamine everything you do anyway

[dull garnet]

still

[modest moss]

I rarely leave the house so I'm not too worried

[potent arrow]

https://youtu.be/3f0op905-ro

OH

OMG

I want it

[burnt swallow]

So CPU, m.2 and RAM are on mobo

Now mobo goes in case right

[dull garnet]

is it easier to do a d15 in the case

[potent arrow]

Also start the whole thing outside the case first

So if anything is doa you know

Plop the cooler on, put the Mobo onto a box screwdriver boot it to bios

Make sure ram and CPU and drive is detected

[dull garnet]

pretty sensible of you

i usually just shove it all in and hope for the best

[potent arrow]

I mean I do it because it'll waste time for me lol

Usually I have a test bench tho

[umbral moss]

just buy that new evga carbon fiber thing

[dull garnet]

first time i installed my current board i configured the ram like on an am3 board

lol!

whenever dual channel was placed right next to it anyway

[burnt swallow]

Where are my screws for the mobo

Am I blind

All I see is screws for another m.2

Oh

Where

[dull garnet]

might be in a box inside the case

[burnt swallow]

It wouldn't happen to be the box I see hiding behind the PSU shroud would it

[dull garnet]

we do a little trolling

[burnt swallow]

Fuck

[umbral moss]

a pittance

you should get a 2P setup so you can have twice as many problems

[burnt swallow]

This is great

I can't reach two screws to take this cover thing off

[umbral moss]

https://tenor.com/view/pog-seal-pog-ringo-seal-pog-gif-23034073

[burnt swallow]

In the fucking corners

I don't have the room to turn my screwdriver

[modest moss]

Do not forget risers to keep the mobo off the case chassis

[burnt swallow]

Wdym risers

Do those go between the mobo and screw sockets

[dull garnet]

standoff

you get more fps if you don't use them though

[potent arrow]

Most cases have them pre installed

It's 20222, if your case makes you install them jeeeezzzz

[burnt swallow]

Oh I see them

[potent arrow]

Also they could just be bumps in your case

[umbral moss]

you can also buy a shitload of them for like, a penny or two

they're #6 threaded on both sides

[potent arrow]

Yep

Just like I said...it's 2022 if your pc doesn't have them installed...cool.....

[dull garnet]

things you haven't needed for 15 years

[burnt swallow]

Back panel

Fucking come off

I took your screws off

What are you stuck on

[umbral moss]

it's probably welded

[burnt swallow]

Why am I so fucking stupid

[umbral moss]

https://tenor.com/view/dumb-stupid-smooth-brain-idiot-gif-20901280

[dull garnet]

deary me

[burnt swallow]

So

My PSU shroud

I'm 99% sure it doesn't come off

How the fuck do I get the PSU in

[dull garnet]

rtfm

do you have both case sides off

sometimes it just slides in from the other side

[burnt swallow]

I do

[dull garnet]

which case

[burnt swallow]

P400A Digital

[dull garnet]

oh hey i've built in one of those

well, a P400

yeah, you take the side off and put it in

lol

[umbral moss]

mount the PSU on the side of the case

be a rebel

[burnt swallow]

Do I need any of these sata1/2/perif sockets on my PSU

I have the CPU and Mobo connectors on it already

[dull garnet]

only if you have sata devices

[burnt swallow]

I'm pretty sure I don't

So I should be fine with the cpu and mobo cables right

[dull garnet]

assuming your only storage is m.2

[burnt swallow]

The only other cables for my PSU are VGA1/2 but idk what that's for

[dull garnet]

vga is video card

[burnt swallow]

Oh

[dull garnet]

so you'll need that too

but not req for testing

[burnt swallow]

RX 6800 XT has two vga sockets so that works out

Alright so

Mobo into case now right

With PSU

Screw down mobo and PSU and connect 8 pin and 24 pin then do cooler

[dull garnet]

sounds about right

[burnt swallow]

Time to install stuff

[dull garnet]

i was more concerned at the use of "vga socket"

don't screw them in

https://tenor.com/view/mind-blow-galaxy-explode-boom-fireworks-gif-5139389

[burnt swallow]

Oh I should put this mounting bracket on for the cooler first

[dull garnet]

i was rgh modding my 360 the other week

[umbral moss]

my favorite was when they got stuck and the standoffs would unscrew with the connector

[dull garnet]

went to power it on and realised that i had completely forgotten to put the cooler back on

[umbral moss]

although I'd rather have a d-sub than fucking shitty ass HDMI or DP connectors

[dull garnet]

threw it back on without any paste temporarily

[umbral moss]

who designed a spec for a connector that doesn't lock

[dull garnet]

dp does

or did

my more recent cable does not lock

my older ones do

[umbral moss]

I thought you needed a specific kind of DP connector on both ends to lock

[dull garnet]

depends on the cable

[umbral moss]

with how often you have to rip cables out, of course you do

I hate HDMI because there's no way to ensure positive contact

it just kind of hangs there and you hope the pins are doing their thing

HDMI sucks

garbage spec designed by garbage people for a nonsense purpose

[dull garnet]

hdmi is for tvs

can't game in linux anyway

[umbral moss]

I thought apple was part of the HDMI consortium

I know sony is

[dull garnet]

all three of them

[umbral moss]

what if we took DVI and made the connector extremely inconvenient

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

just embrace SDI-12G

based single conductor cable with locking connector

https://tenor.com/view/pog-pogchamp-pog-meme-thats-kinda-of-pog-gif-21813748

[dull garnet]

roll over cablelets

my mans straight up died in the mere presence

[umbral moss]

why do cable engineers hate usability

[dull garnet]

21 pins baby

limitless opportunity

[umbral moss]

like, do they sit there coming up with ways to make the least reliable cable/pin combinations?

[dull garnet]

well it was designed in France

[modest moss]

Imagine if a defective usb device was the whole cause

Have you really not tested without usb devices

Remove every non essential usb device

[dull garnet]

remove motherboard, cpu and ram

apply directly to bin

[modest moss]

Why

[dull garnet]

leet hacker

[modest moss]

Toss them

[dull garnet]

i would laugh if one of those was the culprit

[modest moss]

Test with none

[kindred brook]

How do you known

If you were hit

With a brown out

Monsoon hit my brother's house

[dull garnet]

check your underwear

[kindred brook]

Not wearing any

Ok what's next

Brown outs usually fry electronics right?

My work laptop still works

[modest moss]

Dunno about usually

It's just a drop in voltage that won't necessarily kill stuff

[kindred brook]

Ah ok

I guess it's just a regular black out then

[dull garnet]

can't say that anymore, have to use white out

[kindred brook]

Good wad worried my work equipment got damaged

Or my brothers house lol

[modest moss]

Blackout usually means power is fully out

[kindred brook]

Yeah

[modest moss]

Brownout means it's either intermittent or weal afaik

Weak*

[kindred brook]

Ah I thought brown outs were worst

Since they can fry electronics

[modest moss]

Blackout can too

[kindred brook]

O. O

[modest moss]

If you lose power suddenly shit can break

Usually nbd though

[dull garnet]

i broke the family pc by unplugging the surge protector when it froze

[kindred brook]

checking the map

for a power outage

[dull garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/pog-frog-frog-pog-frog-dance-gif-20735320

[kindred brook]

ALRIGHT

I AM PART OF THE BLACK OUT

[dull garnet]

congratulations

[kindred brook]

pretty sure

I AM IN THERE

.34% is out

how did I win the shitty lottery

thanks

[dull garnet]

imagine if this was the answer

[modest moss]

I've had a faulty usb device cause bsod before

Was so annoyed when I figured it out

Buying a new kvm sounds a lot easier

[dull garnet]

i try to keep my usb devices lean

mouse, kb, xbox adapter, usb dac amp

onboard audio disabled

[modest moss]

I just have mouse and kb atm

[dull garnet]

don't have this problem on amd

[modest moss]

How will you cope without that 300mb ram

[dull garnet]

grim

[modest moss]

you mean like the cheapo secondary nvme that I have

think Ice might have them too actually

WD SN570

Sequential Read Performance
3500MB/s
Sequential Write Performance
3000MB/s

wouldn't say that's slow as hell

[dull garnet]

I blame consumers

[modest moss]

it is

both WD mentioned are dram-less

I ran atto and it was decent

[dull garnet]

Ultimately if they are happy with the levels of performance there is no issue

ssd doesn't affect frames so meh

[modest moss]

that's my WD

mine is blue, yours is black, you should thrash me

I'll do my 980 pro now

interesting that my WD is faster on test 3 than my 980 pro

gonna be hilarious when it was a duff kvm causing all this

[latent grotto]

is that your 980 pro?

[modest moss]

yeah

[latent grotto]

did you change how many threads you use in the test

this is mine

[modest moss]

no default settings

it wasn't even set on nvme ssd hah

[latent grotto]

me?

[modest moss]

no mine

[latent grotto]

lol

[modest moss]

I assume I should change that

[latent grotto]

i have no clue

all ik is that i should change the thread settings otherwise you'll end running it as single thread or something like that?

i just set it to 64 cuz why not

currently running with 1 thread right now but its alot different

[modest moss]

that's with nvme ssd selected

guess I need more threads

[latent grotto]

oh it finished

lemme try with nvme ssd selected

and 64 thread again

yea idk whats up with yours

[modest moss]

I don't think those threads settings stick if I reselect nvme ssd

[latent grotto]

yea they don't

you have to select nvme ssd and then go to settings to change it

[modest moss]

I did this but put both on 64

[latent grotto]

is that about right then

[modest moss]

err I'm beating that

this thing is just nonsense numbers

I'm just drawing the conclusion that the samsungs are very fast and the WD are quite fast

and moving on

our numbers seem to generally match up

[latent grotto]

sounds like a reasonable conclusion

[modest moss]

now plug in the kvm and hub

and run things hard

maybe just the hub

hubs are dogshit

[potent arrow]

I mean my hub sometimes draws too much power from the usb slot or something and fucks up my pc temporarily

I just soldered 5V to the board lol

Trust me I'm an engineer

Nobody trusts us

[modest moss]

@burnt swallow went pretty quiet

did you plug in kvm/hub?

[jaunty light]

Hey m8 u didnt read 75 pages of sustained hardware benchmarks???

[modest moss]

effort

I'll leave that to nerds like you

[sly elk]

yea the sad truth with USB hubs and KVMs

I don't think there is such a thing as a legit KVM manufacturer

you can buy some very very expensive KVMs too

[kindred brook]

RAZ IS BACK

MY ELECTRICITY IS BNACK

DAD IM BACK

NOTHING BROKE

WE GUCCI

[burnt swallow]

cries in working

[jaunty light]

https://tenor.com/view/gucci-gang-tiger-walk-gif-10719344

[burnt swallow]

Time to finish building

[burnt swallow]

I'm like

Fucking dying

Where the fuck does this cable go

[potent arrow]

Rub your hands on carpet and touch the motherboard, builds it faster

[burnt swallow]

There's three fucking spots this cable could go

[potent arrow]

Just take a picture of the cable and any of us will know

[burnt swallow]

powersw with hddled± stuck to it

[potent arrow]

...front panel connector