technology-discussion

[real edge]

the 6800xt can drive 4k but not really all that well

neither can the 3080

[burnt swallow]

Oh

[real edge]

both of those are 1440p cards

[sly elk]

holy shit lmao

did they only ask YOU 1.7m?

[burnt swallow]

So either keep my monitor I know nothing about or save some monies and invest in a 1440p monitor

[sly elk]

or did they manage to actually sell it for that much to someone

[jaunty light]

lol ok fuck em

i got a piece of wood they can increase

[sly elk]

yea but it wasn't worth that much haha

[real edge]

1440p is nice but not absolutely necessary

[jaunty light]

1440 good for games i would tbh never go back to 1080 at this point

[real edge]

you get more screen space and more fidelity

[jaunty light]

also good for daily drive desktop

[real edge]

^

[jaunty light]

4k at 100% even on a 27 just isnt there

although I do torture myself with my work laptop on 4k at 100% with 15in because I can fit more shit

[burnt swallow]

For what

[real edge]

just doing stuff daily with your desktop pc, such as gaming or browsing etc

[burnt swallow]

Oh

1440p in a couple months it is

I should look up my current monitor and see what people say about it

[real edge]

what is your current monitor

[burnt swallow]

Uhh

Let me grab the box

ASUS TUF Gaming VG249

I walked into Best Buy last year and told the dude I wanted a monitor and that's what I walked out with

[real edge]

that is actually ok for 1080p

[burnt swallow]

Yeah

[real edge]

the dude at least gave you a good 1080p monitor

[burnt swallow]

I have a $300 chromebook with a better screen

I compared it

[real edge]

there are quite a lot of good 1440p displays nowdays

they cost more than 1080p displays tho

[burnt swallow]

How much are 1440p displays

And what size usually

My monitor is like

Uhh

[real edge]

27 inch

is the usual standard

[jaunty light]

27 in, dont go above but i doubt if you could really find any monitors above or below that spec

[burnt swallow]

Oh

[jaunty light]

but I think a lot of the VA/IPS 1440s are within the 300-500 range now

at 144hz

[burnt swallow]

My current monitor is 23.8"

Is there much of a size difference physically between 24" and 27"?

[jaunty light]

top 25in bottom 27

[burnt swallow]

So enough to be noticeable

Also why do you have freaking three monitors

[jaunty light]

more monitors = more better

[burnt swallow]

Are you on Discord while coding while also gaming???

[jaunty light]

I have 4 if you count the tab or TV

[real edge]

if you want a model then LG 27GP850 is good

[burnt swallow]

Give me a model in like two months maybe

I need to restock my funds first from ordering all these parts

[real edge]

that lg is like 350-400$ or something

[burnt swallow]

I think my 6800 XT supports up to like four monitors so I'll be able to keep my VG249 as a second monitor for Discord and YT or something

[jaunty light]

yea your max is 4, more GPUs for more monitors

[burnt swallow]

If I go for a 1440p 144Hz monitor is HDMI fine or should I pick up a DP cable

[jaunty light]

DP needed

[burnt swallow]

Of course it's needed

[sly elk]

ahhh I feel like monitors are very much like this for me

[real edge]

most displays I bought

[burnt swallow]

More money to spend

[real edge]

had the cable come in the box

[sly elk]

i just friggin bought this one last year and it's great

[real edge]

but apparently that is not the norm

[sly elk]

dells do

with others it really depends

[real edge]

ull probably be fine if the cables come in the box

[sly elk]

i remember once i bought an LCD and it had both dvi and vga inputs

... it only came with a vga cable

[jaunty light]

hdmi can do 1440p144 if you have 2.0..b?

[real edge]

also most good displays now are 165-240hz

look for any high refreshrate display not just 144

[jaunty light]

cant think of any monitors that have 2.1+ though so almost all refresh is DP because ^^ 1440p165-240 or 4k144

the 4k 144s will probably have 2.1

but half of them are TVs so lol

[burnt swallow]

Sounds expensive

And on Best Buy's website it is

Price difference of $70 between a 144Hz and 165Hz monitor

And they're basically identical

Is that you playing Division 2 right now

[jaunty light]

yea no point spending more on 144 vs 165 unless panel/features much better, 240hz though zoom zoom

[burnt swallow]

What in the fuck

Do I need more than 144Hz if the most intensive game I'm going to play for the foreseeable future is CoD: Black Ops Cold War?

[real edge]

nah I meant do not restrict yourself to just 144 there are more apples on the tree so to say

[jaunty light]

refresh rate is subjective to whether or not you think the motion blur reduction is worth it (plus relative hardware performance)

[real edge]

144 is good

[burnt swallow]

more expensive apples

[real edge]

LG 27GP850

price over there

there is a -b version too that is the exact same

[jaunty light]

if ur a hardcore gamer you must buy the 1080p360hz monitor

[burnt swallow]

hardcore gamer
Most of my PC gaming is League, XIV and Diablo 3

[jaunty light]

ubisoft game, u dont

[jaunty light]

its all subjective but tbh I think most monitors in the 1440 range that are 60hz will be similarly priced to 144hz gamer monitors so unless you really wanna cover adobe RGB or DCPI3 it wont matter to just roll a 144

ngl though at work I've thought about trying to get them to buy me 144hz+ monitors because 60hz is horrifically unusable for me with a mouse

already have my own mech keyboard because rubberdome sucks! now I'm gonna bring in my own mouse too

[burnt swallow]

I know people that their only jobs are paperwork and clicking things on their computer all day and they bring in their RGB mechanical keyboard and 16 button RGB mice

[real edge]

https://www.amazon.com/LG-27GP850-B-Ultragear-Compatible-Adjustable/dp/B093MTSTKD

[burnt swallow]

Amazon
Do I trust Amazon enough to ship me a not broken monitor

On the other hand I just ordered $1,728 worth of PC from them

[real edge]

does amazon US have a good return policy

[jaunty light]

honestly understandable. I got mad because my rubberdome was skipping a handful of keys so I brought my TKL in. I deal with the $9 mouse sensor which has an accuracy level of like +/- 20 pixels but now.. I have like 6 mice at home I can use

[real edge]

like amazon germany has

[jaunty light]

amazon bends over backwards for customers so yeah

[real edge]

also this

so amazon US has a good return policy, so ull be fine

you can return it

[jaunty light]

amazon corporate policy is they'd rather lose money than ruin customer relations

[burnt swallow]

My mom (I used her account) has Amazon Prime so I have 30 days from the time I sign for my parts and pick them up to return them

And the return is free

And I can return them for basically anything that isn't user error

I've seen people get empty boxes

[jaunty light]

honestly i've returned shit to amazon that's been opened but didnt work for me and they didnt even question it

they couldve easily just said nah you used this

[burnt swallow]

I've also seen people order 2000 series and then open the box and there's like a 3080 Ti in it or something

[jaunty light]

https://tenor.com/view/delicious-sand-lithuania-gif-13803031

[burnt swallow]

I also goofed and forgot to ask for the option for most of the parts to be shipped in Amazon boxes and not as they are

Now the question is

Do I open it at the UPS store

Or when I get home with it

[jaunty light]

where u open it doesnt matter

[burnt swallow]

Probably true

My plan was to wait for all of the parts to get here

[sly elk]

I see no problem with that!

[burnt swallow]

Then do one long video where I unbox everything

[jaunty light]

if the package is very obviously damaged to the point where you think it would cause a component issue, just refuse it

[sly elk]

I mean, what does a programmer do?

just poke at a computer all day

[jaunty light]

google
google
more google
maybe run this in VS
google why this doesnt work
google
solution! delivered. doesn't work. get paid to fix it

[burnt swallow]

They need comfortable keyboards though for doing all that typing

[sly elk]

for sure

idk what the point is in shaming people for buying hardware they "don't need" lol

[jaunty light]

i buy what i want cuz I like to

[burnt swallow]

I bought a 6800 XT even though most of the shit I play runs at 60+ fps on a freaking 1060 because I could

[jaunty light]

https://tenor.com/view/fortnite-floss-raptor-dance-fortnite-dance-gif-12776278

[burnt swallow]

And because Cold War needs something stronger than a 1060

[real edge]

weeb

[sly elk]

https://tenor.com/view/darling-in-the-franxx-002-gif-12476958

[jaunty light]

02 simp spotted

[burnt swallow]

Big simp

Fuck I need a mousepad for my mouse

[jaunty light]

smh shouldnt you be like an asuka fan

smh

[sly elk]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-pink-hair-zero-two-darling-in-the-franxx-002-gif-17316358

[burnt swallow]

Ain't that the girl from Evangelion

[jaunty light]

https://www.artisan-jp.com/cs-hayate-otsu-eng.html go all out homie

[real edge]

I recommend the steelseries qck one

[jaunty light]

smh you're old and haven't seen any classic anime?

[burnt swallow]

My keyboard is SteelSeries

Never fucking heard of them until I went keyboard shopping

[sly elk]

https://tenor.com/view/misato-evangelion-misato-evangelion-bread-eating-bread-gif-25044240

[jaunty light]

ur waifus are super new age I'd expect like late teens or early 20s to be into

[real edge]

my first ever romance anime was ah! my goddess

and chobits

[jaunty light]

ah chobits..

[burnt swallow]

I was expecting this to be expensive

[real edge]

back when I was a teen

[burnt swallow]

It's $27

[jaunty light]

+$20 shipping minimum. yen is shit right now so that's why its cheap but I bought mine for $120

[burnt swallow]

[sly elk]

quick unaltered pic of my keyboard area

[jaunty light]

all the pro gamers use the hayate otsu and it was out of stock for like a solid year after its release lol

[burnt swallow]

What the fuck is that half keyboard thing

[burnt swallow]

I'm the opposite of a pro gamer

[jaunty light]

im a basic bitch

[sly elk]

https://dygma.com/products/dygma-raise

[burnt swallow]

The fuck

What is the use of that

Just use a freaking keyboard

[jaunty light]

once u age up a few years you'll understand

[sly elk]

ergonomics

[jaunty light]

us old people are broken down from typing 239482034809238409823 words a day

[sly elk]

same idea as this

except I can put the two halves anywhere i want

[real edge]

awwwwww

[sly elk]

it's super comfortable to type on

and as you can see, I have my trackpad in the middle! 😄

again, super comfortable

[jaunty light]

I'll commission you if you can still draw like this

[real edge]

https://mangadex.org/title/b973e612-0d54-48f1-844e-9c83c04b009d/ah-my-goddess

[sly elk]

she's so pretty

very pretty

i wanna play with her hair xD

[burnt swallow]

[real edge]

I wanna read it again just for nostalgia

[burnt swallow]

Does Gamers Nexus not have a review of the Noctua NH-D15/D15S or am I just freaking blind

[real edge]

he does

[burnt swallow]

Where

[jaunty light]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VzXHUTqE7E ?

[real edge]

the deepcool AK620 is just as good

and cheaper

[burnt swallow]

I already ordered the D15S

[real edge]

well

with noctua

u get free kits

with each new platform

to get your dh15 on it

[sly elk]

that does look really good

dual 120mm vs dual 160mm though?

[burnt swallow]

Speaking of fans

[sly elk]

and yea $64.99 with a $10 off coupon that brings it down to $54.99.......

[burnt swallow]

What fans are good

The P300A I ordered only comes with three

[sly elk]

hehe

[burnt swallow]

And they're all in the front

But I have spots for like six fans

[sly elk]

can always get the arctic 5 pack! 😄

[sly elk]

unless you want something else

[jaunty light]

gamer fans

[sly elk]

like unifans

[jaunty light]

RGB vardars just expect to pay $50 a fan

totally worth it though

[sly elk]

https://tenor.com/view/gaming-pc-lian-li-o11-gif-20528283

[real edge]

I am not sure about deepcools support policy tho

noctua for sure supports their buyers tho with new kits with every new gen

for free

[burnt swallow]

I don't care for RGB because my PC is going to be on my left so I won't be able to see any RGB

[jaunty light]

noctua are my real homies

[burnt swallow]

I only got the P400A Digital because extra fan

[sly elk]

i think the lian li al120s are really pretty

but the majority of the fans in my computer are corsair MLs

[burnt swallow]

I need to double-check my P400A and see what size fans it fits

I want to say 140mm but I could be wrong and they're all 120mm spaces

[sly elk]

but also my fans are mostly from 2018

i don't think the unifan existed yet

i think the p400 digital you're ordering comes with 3x120mm rgb?

[burnt swallow]

The middle one is coming off and going on the back

[sly elk]

why the middle one?

[burnt swallow]

It'll go back in front when I buy more fans

Idk

[sly elk]

yea you have a couple options

[burnt swallow]

It'll look better than taking the top or bottom one off

[sly elk]

you could get 3 nicer rgb fans for the front, or just get 3 regular fans for the top/back

[burnt swallow]

I just need regular fans

I sit on the right side of my desk so my PC will be on the left

[sly elk]

also you can find some options that are really cheap

[burnt swallow]

I won't be able to see any RGB

Unless I decide to be weird and set my PC sideways

[sly elk]

for example

https://www.amazon.com/ARCTIC-F12-Silent-Ultra-Quiet-Configuration/dp/B0119T0D4I

these are $8 a piece

[burnt swallow]

Will $8 fans be good enough though for my system

[jaunty light]

no you need $50 vardar

[sly elk]

lol

https://www.amazon.com/ARCTIC-ACFAN00119A-P12-Black-Pressure-Optimized/dp/B07GB5JRTZ
there's these

https://www.amazon.com/Noctua-redux-1300-high-Performance-Award-Winning-Affordable/dp/B07CG2PGVG
maybe these

oh yea and the arctics

https://www.amazon.com/Arctic-F12-Pack-Standard-Computer/dp/B09BNQ9LC2

there's a 3 pack for $21

[dull garnet]

Great fans

[sly elk]

I'm not sure which arctic 120mm is the best for your exhaust fan use case lol

[royal forge]

https://videocardz.com/newz/pro-hi-tech-chinese-gpu-supplier-to-receive-nvidia-geforce-rtx-40-cards-in-less-than-a-month

[sly elk]

my hunch is those are all FINE

[royal forge]

L - M - F - A - O

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4080-rtx-4070-get-preliminary-3dmark-performance-estimates

Also,

VERY LMFAO

[sly elk]

in fact if you REALLY want cheap

https://www.amazon.com/Zalman-ZM-F3-LED-Cooling-SF/dp/B00NMXEDD2

5 bucks

[jaunty light]

uh oh zalman

[sly elk]

-shrug-

[burnt swallow]

I have a 6800 XT I don't think I can afford to be cheap on case fans

[sly elk]

hahahaahah

be careful about that actually

[burnt swallow]

Wdym

[sly elk]

avoid the low noise fans

[burnt swallow]

Why

[sly elk]

i forgot and have at least one in there

[burnt swallow]

I'm dumb

[sly elk]

you will want to have your fans on a curve so that they are quiet when your comp is idle

[burnt swallow]

I keep saying 3080 but I don't

[sly elk]

but move a lot of air when you're playing games

[burnt swallow]

Wdym curve

[sly elk]

you set it up so that the fan speed adjusts with temperature

[burnt swallow]

Oh

You think I know how to do that?

[real edge]

shouldn't that be automatic

[sly elk]

it's not hard

ehhh?

sometimes?

iirc on my asus board it wasn't automatic, but there was a wizard that would try and determine 'optimal'

i'm not sure it actually did

I ended up buying a corsair commander pro because I fucking hated using asus' "fan xpert" BS and rebooting into the BIOS to mess with fan curves

but i might be more bothered by fan noise

the default curves can be way too aggressive sometimes

like.. cpu at 50c?! RUN FANS FULL BLAST OMFG ITS GONNA DIE

[burnt swallow]

what

[royal forge]

Ice, the 4070 will be fucking 2000 on launch

because jensen wants a new leather jacket

[real edge]

based on google there are timespy scores on current 3080s that are higher than the 4080s estimate of 15000

[burnt swallow]

I has question

What's the difference between intake and exhaust fans

[royal forge]

legit, at this point, I don't trust the kopite guy

or rather

i dont trust nvidia

[jaunty light]

https://tenor.com/view/deus-ex-adam-jensen-eyes-gif-11974341

[real edge]

intake = take in air

exhaust = push out air

[burnt swallow]

I meant more like their orientation

[royal forge]

At least this Jensen never asked for it

[real edge]

they are asexual

[sly elk]

the fan has two sides. the side with the frame is the exhaust side (air comes out the frame side)

[burnt swallow]

Why are you like this

[jaunty light]

spine side is the direction

[burnt swallow]

Explain

[sly elk]

NOW

coolermaster makes "reverse" fans where it's the opposite

[royal forge]

there's also, IIRC an arrow on them?

to show airflow?

but not all fans show em

[sly elk]

lol the other way

is to just plug the thing in 😄

feel which direction the air is going

[real edge]

this is the simplest way tbh

[sly elk]

also

https://tenor.com/view/hehe-gif-4402418

[real edge]

my case is really old at this point as so are its fans, do old fans need replacement if they are old?

or it does not matter?

[sly elk]

only if they start rattling and making lots of noise

[real edge]

they work fine

[sly elk]

then you're fine

I recommend cleaning them every year or two

[real edge]

ahh ok

[burnt swallow]

So what I'm hearing is I'll probably need to go buy fans for my P400A because all three front fans that come with it are going to be intake fans

[real edge]

case is a corsair clear carbide 600c

[sly elk]

i mean it just depends which way they're pointed 😄

[jaunty light]

gonna take u out back

[sly elk]

fans last anywhere from 3-10+ years lol

just depends how dirty they get

[jaunty light]

if ur fan starts makin noise just fill that bitch up with some oil

[burnt swallow]

Wouldn't all three point the same way?

[jaunty light]

dragging you to brazil then

[sly elk]

i meant, if you took the fan off and put it elsewhere

hopefully yes hopefully they're all pointing the same way 😄

[burnt swallow]

Oh

[real edge]

my pc is fine idle but when I am gaming it starts getting loud but not loud enough to push through my noise cancelling headphones

[burnt swallow]

I mean I was planning to just take one of the three and slap it on the back

[sly elk]

for like $10 you should just get another fan

[real edge]

3 intake 1-2 exhaust is fine

[sly elk]

hmmmm

[burnt swallow]

Why do you think I bought the P400A Digital?

[sly elk]

yea that's the cheapest option

[burnt swallow]

The P400A comes with two fans

[sly elk]

I get that

[burnt swallow]

Digital comes with three fans

Price difference of $10 ($99 vs $109)

[real edge]

exhaust fans are cheap

[jaunty light]

u cant prove this

[sly elk]

$20 for a 3 pack

[burnt swallow]

I'll get paid again right around the time I get my parts so I'll just walk into Best Buy and buy fans

[jaunty light]

perfect

[burnt swallow]

Which leads to my next question

Are three 120mm intake fans or two 140mm intake fans better

[jaunty light]

generally doesnt matter

[burnt swallow]

So slap 120mm fans all over my P400A

[sly elk]

yes.

[burnt swallow]

Cause I can fit six of them in it

[jaunty light]

in most cases your benchmark is CFM vs dB so you'd need to compare what 3x120 vs 2x140s would be

[sly elk]

3x120mm and 2x140mm will probably move roughly the same amount of air

the 2x140mm will do it quieter

[burnt swallow]

CFM

[jaunty light]

contiguous feet per minute

🐾

[real edge]

most fans I see on my local site are from 3 euro all the way to 25

[jaunty light]

dont try to use math on me fool

what is this sideways M

[real edge]

greek letter

[royal forge]

YOUR MOM IN BED WITH ME

https://tenor.com/view/oh-yeah-gif-25797113

THOUGHT OF THAT MYSELF

IM VERY PROUD

[jaunty light]

https://tenor.com/view/sigma-sigmamale-grindset-alpha-beta-gif-22373556

[burnt swallow]

13 fans
What

How

What the fuck

Is your case a whole ass nightstand or something

This looks expensive

Are you running a 12900K with that 3090 too

Is that all custom watercooling

Wait what do you need three radiators for

[real edge]

meanwhile me: 308012gb dropped to 770 euro but its still too expensive so I am gonna wait

the low income life is tough

[burnt swallow]

It really is

Otherwise I'd have gotten the 12700K

And a 2TB m.2

Will it be a bad idea to plug my PC into a surge protected power strip that also has my monitor and wifi on it

Probably

Wait my monitor isn't on it

It's about to be

[sly elk]

sexy

i will say

it's a bloody shame that motherboard doesn't work right

it looks so nice

[jaunty light]

buy new one and spraypaint it white

https://tenor.com/view/gta-gta-sa-grand-theft-auto-grand-theft-auto-san-andreas-gta-one-liners-gif-17461943

[royal forge]

normal M.2 drives are cheaper than nvmes right?

[sly elk]

nvme is the normal m.2 drive?

I mean idk maybe both are normal

[royal forge]

uhhh

i dunoe now

i mean the one you attach directly to the mobo is more expensive right

[sly elk]

both sata and nvme m.2s attach directly 🙂

m.2 is just that form factor

[sharp star]

M.2 is more expensive than SATA but usually not by much, so it’s still generally reasonable

I guess that depends on how high end the drives are

2280 is the most common form factor; you can find 2230 and 2242 drives but not as easily as 2280

so if you want a 1TB 2230 drive for, say, a Steam Deck, gl with that

[odd sand]

Just stop sleeping and take a 2nd fulltime job, DUH. Your bootstraps barely look tugged at

[real edge]

sadly I do not have the energy for that haha

[dull garnet]

Considering how much you use them video cards are a pretty good value... That's one way to look at it anyway

[agile roost]

Working a second full time job is a pretty legit way to get ahead in life not gonna lie

Let’s say you’re making $20 an hour at both jobs and hitting 80 hours a week

[odd sand]

You could take a gamble on buying a used 3080 then. Can get them for like 500 then. The crypto market imploded not too long after they came out, so even miner cards shouldn't have much wear on them

Except you hate your life bc all you're doing is working and getting 7hrs sleep

And you eat like shit bc you don't have time to cook

[agile roost]

Yeah there’s only 24 hours in a day unfortunately and sacrifices will have to be made

[odd sand]

I did have a 2nd job once, but that was for like an extra 15hrs a week, not 40 heh

And I only did that for like 9 months before I ditched the 2nd job

[agile roost]

Tbh you get used to it

Is that what you did? I’ve heard about these programs for software coding before

I’d be curious to know if it’s also an instant transition into a job

Yeah that’s the catch

If it only costed $282 bucks and 6 months of your life more people would be doing it

Better outlook than traditional uni

True as well

Sitting in front of a screen all day

And I’m sure google is always hungry for new coders/software engineers

Well nowadays with everyone going remote, it wouldn’t be a bad idea to pursue

Well ideally one should work smart and hard

I look at it as optimizing your $/time

[odd sand]

Udemy is also good. Pluralsight is nice too, but costs a bit more

[agile roost]

Well for one never put yourself in a position to get taken advantage of and screwed over lol

That’s just fundamental human survival instincts

[odd sand]

Yeah there is unfortunately a balance to be made in proving your competence. Don't want to get the deliverables done TOO fast or they just make you do twice the work and wont promote you bc you're "too valuable"

Oh they were talking about Google specifically?

[agile roost]

This can be offset through hard work and experience

[dull garnet]

why stop with 2 jobs

3 jobs

well, you can consider ffxiv an unpaid job

[agile roost]

3 full time jobs would equate to 120 hours a week

that might be humanly impossible to sustain lol

[dull garnet]

ngmi

[odd sand]

Realistically most places won't even give you 40hrs anymore for hourly bc they want to deny benefits. So you'd be 3x 30hrs a week

[burnt swallow]

Good news: I have Amazon charges going through (hopefully this means the items are ready to be shipped out)
Bad news: I have a fucking field exercise (am military) literally a day or two after all of my parts are expected to be delivered

[odd sand]

Better hope the shipping isn't late

[burnt swallow]

I'm having everything shipped to my po box at the ups store on base

[potent arrow]

Wait tsuya you are military?

Everything makes sense.

[burnt swallow]

[burnt swallow]

If my prior delivery history holds I should receive everything on time or even a day early

But this is also my first time ordering PC parts

[odd sand]

What did you get

[burnt swallow]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cwdNxs

[odd sand]

I see the motherboard prices have also come down a lot. I remember about a year ago that same board was like $215

[burnt swallow]

I'm gonna have to spend money on fans though once I get everything

[odd sand]

Is the 6800XT equiv to a 3080 then?

I know the noctua fans are really good, but I just prefer not having a heatsink take up 75% of the interior of the case these days so I lean towards AIOs

[burnt swallow]

I watched Gamers Nexus' 6800 XT review and in most cases it's actually a bit better than the 3080

Also that 6800 XT was $670 versus the cheapest 3080 I could find being $750

I almost went for a $650 3070 Ti but @real edge talked me out of that bad financial decision

[odd sand]

Depending on how many games you like storing, you might want to pick up another cheaper SSD. 1TB pcie3 can be had for like $80-90 now

Or could go YOLO on like an 8TB HDD for $150-200

[burnt swallow]

My choices were either a 3070 that was a whopping $516 or the 6800 XT

[odd sand]

I just hope they fixed the driver issues for your sake then but they probably ahve at this point since those cards are almost 2 years old

[burnt swallow]

I'm aware that FFXIV apparently throws a fit with AMD GPUs

[dull garnet]

oh that's a feature of AMD video drivers

[real edge]

amd gpus generally have dodgy drivers so I hope that you win the gamble

[odd sand]

FFXIV throws a fit for a lot of things

[burnt swallow]

Does AMD have an app you can pull drivers from like how Nvidia GPUs have GeForce Experience?

[modest moss]

hard pass on geforce experience anyway

[burnt swallow]

But why

[dull garnet]

bloat

i have techpowerup email me when new drivers drop lol

generally though i don't update too often

[modest moss]

I don't need the overlay, or the clip thing

[dull garnet]

i'm not playing new games to begin with

[odd sand]

General rule for drivers is don't update if you aren't having problems

[dull garnet]

updates bios for fun

[burnt swallow]

Because new drivers might create problems?

[modest moss]

it probably isn't as bad on newer hardware, but it definitely costs a few fps

yes

[dull garnet]

it doesn't happen often but it does happen

[odd sand]

Because the drivers are a giant blob covering hundreds of card variations, so sometimes things get broken for older cards when updating with new stuff

And very rarely will a new driver provide performance gains for an older card beyond maybe the first 6 months

Although I have heard it said that AMD is more common for that to be a thing than Nvidia. But largely bc their initial drivers are so bad it takes them awhile to dial them in

[potent arrow]

My friend has a scrapper that watches the Nvidia driver direct download site and updates us on discord whenever there's a major update

[potent arrow]

Suprisingly AMDs GeForce experience is much much much better then Nvidias lol

[odd sand]

Is that really necessary to be that on top of driver updates for the GPU? 🤔

[potent arrow]

Like so much better

[potent arrow]

I mean, the four of us do system integration

[odd sand]

Do you run stability testing on each new driver then or something?

[potent arrow]

It just makes it easier for us to:

1. Get the newest drivers when setting up systems (me)
   2.if there is a critical update that effects the applications or implementation of a client we can update it for them
   3.If we have super left field issues we can refer to them

[potent arrow]

Not really no

A good example is a random driver update that breaks premiere during some critical work

That shit is just fucked, so we can rewind the driver a few revisions and call it a day

[sly elk]

idk if that dude has enough monitors

[inland mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-more-gif-21856591

[sly elk]

hisense!

what a name hehe

[sly elk]

hey where's uh @burnt swallow oh here. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B097M7MW9M

$517 3070

[burnt swallow]

I saw that one

I grabbed the RX 6800 XT instead

That 3070 mightily tempted me though

[sly elk]

oh sweet

congrats ^^

what else have you bought so far? XD

[burnt swallow]

Everything

[sly elk]

oooo

so now you get to anticipate the packages and then building!

I can't wait to see how it turns out ^^

[modest moss]

Did you buy a monitor

[burnt swallow]

I have a monitor already

[modest moss]

But a 6800xt is wasted on 1080p

[burnt swallow]

So in a month when I have more monies I'll invest in a 1440p monitor

[sly elk]

the monitor

[modest moss]

Nice

[burnt swallow]

And my 1080p monitor will become my Discord/YT display

[modest moss]

That LG nhadala linked is the one I just bought btw

It's great

[burnt swallow]

The LG 27GP850?

[modest moss]

Yeah pretty sure that's the same model

https://www.lg.com/uk/monitors/lg-27gp850-b

That's mine

[sly elk]

heh

[modest moss]

It's pretty

[sly elk]

yea it's nice ^^

oo this is cheap

?

[burnt swallow]

Intel i5-12600K
Noctua NH-D15S
Radeon RX 6800 XT
Kingston Fury Beast 32 GB DDR5 5200MHz RAM CL40
MSI Pro Z690-A Mobo
Samsung 980 Pro 1TB PCIe 4.0 m.2
EVGA Supernova 750 GT 80+ Gold 750W
Phanteks Eclipse P400A Digital

Total price: $1,803 after taxes

[sly elk]

pretty good

hmm too bad powercolor didn't; make the 6800xt or 6900xt in hellhound flavor

white pcb. kinda neat.

[burnt swallow]

I'm aware that the D15S is a little overkill for the 12600K but it's a good investment for when 13th gen comes out if I upgrade to that or if I upgrade to the 12700K later on

[sly elk]

I don't think it's overkill at all

the D15S on your 12600k will just mean you can run the fans slower/quieter

like IMHO you can never have too much cooling capacity

'overkill' my butt 😄

plus if you upgrade, it's one less thing to buy

and these dang things run hot anyway

my bet is your temps will still go into the 60s-70s when gaming anyway

maybe i'm wrong

[burnt swallow]

The only upgrade I have currently planned for after I get everything is two 140mm fans and a 120mm fan so I have all available fan spaces being used

[modest moss]

Qbittorrent is fine

[burnt swallow]

Until then one of the front fans is coming off and getting slapped on the back

[sly elk]

https://tenor.com/view/shaun-cheers-cheers-shaun-pitates-of-the-caribbean-shaun-pirates-of-the-caribbean-gif-22726555

[sly elk]

downloading linux, are we? 🏴‍☠️

I had bittorrent on my work laptop for ages for downloading linux distros >>

[burnt swallow]

Oh that reminds me

I need a Windows key

[potent arrow]

Uh

Dont

Uhm

Let me just

[sly elk]

uhm

[burnt swallow]

But hell fuck no I'm not spending no $150 on a windows key

[potent arrow]

Check

Your dms

Ina. Second

Lol

[burnt swallow]

Pro lets me do more than Home

[sly elk]

pro lets you use bitlocker 😄

[burnt swallow]

Imagine using Home edition

[sly elk]

the discount is really really good

[modest moss]

Any decent private tracker allows qbittorrent

[potent arrow]

^

If it doesn't allow qbittorrent that's fucking sketch

[modest moss]

And if you're on some bs like IPT

You deserve your pc troubles

[potent arrow]

PFFT

[modest moss]

IPT is trash, p2w bullshit scum who steal peers and ddos legit trackers

This is a tangent

[dull garnet]

I have to use an older version of qbittorrent with bakabt but it isn't a big deal

And winactivate for Windows

[potent arrow]

MAS is so good now, but I'm guessing we can't discuss that here

[odd sand]

I think my Win10 Pro atm is from a friend's MSDN but I think I could still upgrade my old Win7 key to 11 if I upgrade this fall and feel like I need 11 at some point.

[odd sand]

What noise? The aliasing?

[agile roost]

wait for 7.0 at this point lol

[odd sand]

I haven't really used PS in a few years so I dunno what the recommended process is anymore. When I used to do fansubs it was like warpsharp and for manga there was Topaz Denoise. Not sure how well it would work on something that dark and without clearly defined edges tho

[burnt swallow]

I need like

A checklist

For everything I should do once I have all my parts on hand

Starting with recording me unboxing them of course

[agile roost]

start with the motherboard

[modest moss]

also plug in things like the PSU mobo connectors before you screw in the mobo, or you end up like me clipping them in with chopsticks

wish I'd bought a bigger case tbh

[sly elk]

I wanted to laugh at the idea, but it's actually a good idea, if you unbox and find a rock or something

[burnt swallow]

@tame fulcrum said he's seen a video of somebody opening their 3090 and it was a bag of sand

[deep sapphire]

you should see the fuckin crap they pull at home depot

you can end up with old broken tools in brand new packaging all the fuckin time

[potent arrow]

waht the fuck

why is my fps 12

[agile roost]

are you using razer synapse?

[potent arrow]

ew no

[burnt swallow]

Windows installation media created

Now I wait for PC

[sharp star]

nah they won't figure out how to do shader precaching

Ask FromSoftware how well that went for them

Or Square Enix themselves

[dull garnet]

Didn't some dodgy company buy Winamp

Anyway, f2k

[inland mauve]

I was an iTunes kid

[dull garnet]

Cheap, but not especially fast

[willow comet]

yeah cheap but not a great kit lol

[deep sapphire]

WINAMP IT REALLY WHIPS THR LLAMAS ASS

[modest moss]

winamp is the tits

still use it

[royal forge]

hmm... kinda curious

my friend and I have been talking shop on PC building

he's been more active in it, looking at pre-builts as well

according to him, prebuilts have a similar price to self-builds

was wondering if it's a similar situation with you guys

[modest moss]

depending on the deals you find, they can even be cheaper than building yourself

but you lose control over part selection to a degree

[royal forge]

ye that was my argument for self-builds

and a viable upgrade path vs something like, an alienware

[modest moss]

prebuilt is better for some people

[royal forge]

ye. but my friend has built before

[modest moss]

like Ice should have bought prebuilt

[royal forge]

but ye, was just curious on how you guys are

I think im the anti-Ice

i can't buy pre-builts

my own self-build still runs so well

im actually quite pleased with it

like, really proud

[modest moss]

your laptop doesn't count though

[royal forge]

it's a shitshow

it BSOD-ed on a pdf

i dont know how

[modest moss]

I'm talking about pre-built desktops from an established manufacturer/builder

not a janky custom boutique laptop

[royal forge]

tbh

my old ASUS laptop

also kicked the bucket after... 5 years of service?

I mean, that's p good

but

still

[modest moss]

that's about what you expect from a laptop tbh

[willow comet]

thats really good for a laptop to be honest

laptop depreciation just makes it so hard to justify a gaming laptop of any sort

[real edge]

my mothers craptop still works after many years but its so shit that its barely working right for her due to how severely outdated the hardware is :<

[willow comet]

im ultra poor ingame still

40k to my name

[modest moss]

I'm unsubbed so I can't help you out at the moment, if you're still struggling when I come back for 6.2 I'll see what I can do

[willow comet]

oh im not really struggling im just poor because im new

[potent arrow]

@royal forge I'm huge on avoiding prebuilts solely from how bad and varied their build quality is.

[odd sand]

The dynamic got weird with the GPU prices spiking, but generally self-built is cheaper by about 25-30% historically. And you get higher quality parts since only the smaller system integrators tend to use off-the-shelf SKUs for parts

The biggest issue is usually wonky cases and fan setups

[potent arrow]

Oh right and shit OEM branded parts

I fucking hate their cases and unamed motherboards

China wall PSUs

[odd sand]

That's what i meant by part SKUs... bc even if the parts are from a brand you know, its usually some special SKU only for them that has corners cut somehow

[potent arrow]

Cheap fans

Yep

If someone you know can build PCs, imo don't even consider prebuilts.

[odd sand]

There are SIs that will use all off the shelf parts, but their costs are higher then

And that still doesn't guarantee the build quality is great... it's always best to check all the connections are snug and see how they routed things

[potent arrow]

The answer is almost always terrible or super unoptimal

[odd sand]

Also check the bios bc at the very least they often don't turn on XMP et al bc its technically "overclocking"

[potent arrow]

I've had so many prebuilt systems with fans just randomly slapped in, cables blocking fans, a literal SSD covering intake, things not plugged in, headers snapped, damaged pcie, broken mounting brackets for CPU cooler, bent m.2

Etc

I used to be partnered with NZXT BLD, but after a few things I didn't renew after last year

[odd sand]

It's the usual, I'm sure they have unreasonable time quotas where they want one system made every 10mins or something

[potent arrow]

Yeah, and not every underpaid employee would care about fan orientation or proper cable management

rn iBuyPower is on my maximum shitlist

I had a system from them with a cracked am4 socket

2020 I had around 6 systems that I diagnosed from them

Fuck that

[odd sand]

When I worked for an SI I could finish my station in like 8mins, but that is with all parts provided on a tray and in those days it was just the CPU, GPU, 1 HDD and maybe 1 system fan you put into the case. Oh, and the optical drive.

Yeah I've never heard good things about ibuypower

Cyberpowerpc used to be decent I think, but as they got bigger they started cutting corners as well

[deep sapphire]

https://reddit.com/r/Justrolledintotheshop/comments/wddhfp/any_of_you_missing_a_10mm_found_this_at_my_desk_i/

Hahaha

[potent arrow]

I dont monitor loop temp

I just run a benchmark for 48hrs and see where the temperature of the components stabilize at

[potent arrow]

You know I always thought it was a meme to lose 10mm but I bought a massive bulk packet with like 200 and after a year and a half there's like 20 left kinda thing

Bruh

Your components will thermal shut down before your tubes will melt

[odd sand]

It's also that if ppl know there is a giant bag of them they won't be as careful with them

[potent arrow]

We put ours in a tampon dispenser we found at the scrap yard

[late basalt]

You know the coolant would boil before that point too, right?

Sound a little high, but I don’t WC my pc

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[willow comet]

More monitors for more guides

[dull garnet]

yep, reddit user

[willow comet]

Last time I posted on r/battlestations the gigachad mods insta deleted

Pc hidden in the back for obvious reasons

[dull garnet]

neat

do like those "cases"

[willow comet]

haha yeah very unique

[dull garnet]

v small footprint

[willow comet]

yep exactly, although i have a much larger system in my new room upstairs but the desk up there is also much much bigger

looks much better without cables

[dull garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/impressive-very-nice-patrick-bateman-gif-15247511

[willow comet]

thank you sir, although 3090 was in there for the meme but that goes in my big system lol

3060ti for this smol pc

but it is a 5950x under that 80mm fan

[dull garnet]

still nice. my "good" pc only has a 3060 ti

[willow comet]

yeah i mean depends on the games but 3060ti+ is good enough for pretty much all titles on steam currently at a very enjoyable/playable experience

hardware is just good enough now

just comes down to resolution you are gaming at at that point

[dull garnet]

true

[willow comet]

i dont even look at fps counters anymore on my main system

[dull garnet]

that is one way to live longer

[sly elk]

if you're a stickler for rules, the setup is supposed to show the computer somewhere in it. That rule is rarely enforced, I find.

[sly elk]

if you posted that picture to /r/battlestations and they deleted it, I'm really surprised though

[willow comet]

haha yeah it was taken down because my posted from 2 years prior with a whole new pc , new layout, from rgb to no rgb/totally new decorations, was still too similar to my previous post

the photo i tried posting was this one sec (pc is shown)

[sly elk]

wut

[sly elk]

oo I feel like I remember seeing that one before

i'm floored they deleted it because it was "too similar to your previous post"

[willow comet]

haha its made its way around the internet (or an earlier version)

[sly elk]

dude there's people who post almost weekly with the same setup lmao

[willow comet]

ill send the previous giga rgb room

[willow comet]

yeah i see it all the time

[sly elk]

like the dude with the mac pro setup on the right and the gaming PC setup on the left

he seems to post a new pic about once a week

[willow comet]

god i do not miss that chair lol

[sly elk]

lol

you're like the poster child of /r/battlestations

"OFFICE CHAIRS RULE! RGB SUCKS!"

"CHECK OUT MY $1000 HEADPHONE SETUP"

tsk tsk, that at2020 mic though

come on bro where's the sm7b?!

XD

honestly I love both your before/after setups there

I like the vines hanging down from the window

[dull garnet]

hai r/battlestations

[sly elk]

the longer I look at that the better it gets

the audio looks great though!

[dull garnet]

its alright

[sly elk]

She may not look like much, but she's got it where it counts, kid

[modest moss]

I approve, no nonsense

bonus points for the can of Vimto

[sly elk]

I like the art on the wall

[dull garnet]

that was a patchouli knowledge nendoroid pre-order bonus

i have a final fantasy x-2 promotional poster that i framed that i need to hang too

[sly elk]

neat!

[dull garnet]

basically this

[sly elk]

very neat!

hope I didn't score walrisis off with my commentary 😦

[sly elk]

oh wow

you know, with a little tweaking that room would be peak /r/cozyspaces

it needs an area rug

and less... clothing on the floor

man why do those chairs always look more comfy than they really are? :\

I haven't seen one of those since 5th grade

[dull garnet]

Love that set

[sly elk]

is that a scart thingy?

sticking out the side there?

I feel like I played with one of these back then but it was being used as a monitor

but that was forever and a half ago

[dull garnet]

yes

and this is a monitor for a sony msx computer

made 1985

just happens to be ideal for sd consoles

[willow comet]

haha now im rocking an aston spirit but ive used that at2020 for like 5 years best 100$ ever spent,

i dont like sm7b because i hate when the mics in front of my face

[sly elk]

that! that explains it. Kinda... but I don't think MSX computers were sold in the US, so it still doesn't really explain it :\

[willow comet]

i put that shit a foot away above me out of sight out of mind and it still works sm7b gotta be in your mouth even with cloud lifter its ehh

[dull garnet]

i don't believe the US ver has a scart socket anyway

[willow comet]

nah haha def went through the rgb > no rgb phase and peripheral overhauls after joining some money wasting communities

you aint wrong but i do still like rgb setups just not in my own/well during the day at least rgb at night is a vibe

[dull garnet]

US model, proprietary video port. can be adapted for RGB though

[dull garnet]

i had to desolder the rgb leds from my b450 tomahawk 😔

[willow comet]

oooof, just because you didnt want the rgb when system was off or something?

[dull garnet]

when it was on ye

[willow comet]

oof, no way to turn it off even in bios?

[dull garnet]

nah, didn't wanna use software either

[willow comet]

my board has a way to turn them off in both states built right into bios

[willow comet]

yeah feel that

Hate rgb softwares so trash

although the new signal rgb 1 software controls all is very nice from what ive heard

[sly elk]

-gives a cookie-

[willow comet]

consumes

[sly elk]

I fell into that trap

[dull garnet]

so the analogue pocket got a neo geo aes/mvs core today

[sly elk]

my build has an absurd amount of RGB inside

however, it has tinted glass

and most of mine isn't running at full brightness, and to top that off, It sits in a brightly lit room

[willow comet]

lol ive always had good performance since profession leads to high core count usage /lots of storage which leads to nicer motherboards and then gaming led to good gpu which just added up to always having the top of the line hardware

from i7-7700k >3900x > 3950x > 5950x > 3970x

[sly elk]

dang xD

i'm rocking a 9700k and a 3080ti

[willow comet]

now my mom uses the 3950x to pay bills or something lol

[sly elk]

i keep wanting a 5950x but I keep spending my money on other things

i'm waiting for next gen 😄

[willow comet]

thats really solid lol, my 3970x holds back gaming perfromance of my main rig a loooot but new gen soon

but gpu's went 750ti > dual 980ti's < downgraded to a single 2070 > 2070super > 3090 & 3060ti

[dull garnet]

ew imagine wasting money on a 20 series

[willow comet]

yeah i didnt have to pay for them though

work bought em we got an extra so i sold my 980ti's

[dull garnet]

i imagine those were faster in some cases

[willow comet]

bought my first car with some of that money

[willow comet]

dual 980ti's was just about faster than a 2080super lol

[dull garnet]

when the stars aligned and sli was supported

[willow comet]

why i took the downgrade

but i sold that system as a whole and it paid for my first car

loved that shitbox

5700g system

[dull garnet]

neat

now install a power supply

[willow comet]

haha i couldnt take the void pic with the psu inside

hit box mans head

[dull garnet]

danbo!

[willow comet]

and doesnt look like void of nothingness witht he big psu

[willow comet]

airflown't

nah temps are actually fine doesnt look like a lot of space which its not but it does get funneled straight through to a basically completely open back of the case

[dull garnet]

my friend had an earlier version of that case i think (silverstone?)

2500k and a 560 ti, intake fan was like an 800 rpm gentle typoon. stock intel cooler. thing was always on fire basically

[willow comet]

yeah rpm of fan is always high but ye know.. if it works..

but this system will just run excel for 10 years

we got a huge deal on bulk 5700g's

[dull garnet]

gotta go fast

[potent arrow]

there goes my laptop

and my wallet

Yeetus deleteus thinkpad fetus

https://tenor.com/view/cough-cough-cough-clear-throat-jim-carrey-excuse-me-gif-11356446

[modest moss]

do you really need it?

[potent arrow]

I mean my laptop is dead dead

And. Still in school

[modest moss]

sounds pretty justifiable then

you have my blessing :P

[potent arrow]

Last laptop costed me 3.2k in 2018

Lasted me this long and wew I'm suprised it did

[dull garnet]

so to any poor fuckers that bought a HD 2900

[sly elk]

my new toy came!

[dull garnet]

go on

[modest moss]

bet it's that stupid mac

[dull garnet]

*cool mac

[sly elk]

It is

[dull garnet]

king

[odd sand]

Nah see, it's a garbage disposal where you shred all your money into it /s

Make one like the dodecahedron box for the Core i9 a number of years ago

Or whatever shape that was

[odd sand]

Oh yeah with the holed aluminum

[sly elk]

I should have used that picture to begin with

Also interestingly it was made in 2018

So I guess they still made them until the bitter end

[boreal surge]

Yeah they gave me a cheese grater to work on some mobile stuff before switching teams, too bad I packed it up so can’t give a pic

[sly elk]

aw lol

the cheese graters are hella sexy

everything but the price, anyway

when I was entertaining building that tower I was tempted to hold out for a new mac pro

then I saw the price

https://tenor.com/view/gawr-gura-phone-eww-yuck-terrifed-gif-23722338

[devout nexus]

https://semianalysis.substack.com/p/intel-cuts-fab-buildout-by-4b-to

this company is doomed

[boreal surge]

And the weight. And the weight of the box it came in

I swear it made 1/3 of the shipping weight.

[willow comet]

Nice trash can mac

[sly elk]

To be fair, right after it started shipping there were a couple videos of Mac Pro boxes getting thrown around lol

[boreal surge]

How the fuck are you throwing those things, they’re fucking heavy

[potent arrow]

Tell that to the ups man who threw a box with 8 temper glass panels into the tree in front of my house

[sly elk]

geez

[boreal surge]

What

[boreal surge]

What encryption are you using? Signal E2E?

[boreal surge]

The two questions I have are:

1. Why not ECDH
2. How does Alice’s client figure out where Bob’s client is?

The 2. question is more of even with the encrypted message, how does one client know how to send it to another client without some middleman?

Sorry I have a thing for being nitpicky about things I barely understand but have enough understanding to be nitpicky about

Oh so the DB is a middleman server got it. That makes more sense

[devout nexus]

woah

icehunter my name is from MKR XD

i also have some drawings from way back

XD

[boreal surge]

Because you’d have to track all the generated users to figure out if the guy you got the message from is still the same guy

Not to mention you’d have to share some identifier over a less secure channel every time

[modest moss]

Just use ICQ, the Russians don't care what you're talking about and they won't give anything up to the US govt

I'm joking but I'm also probably right

[odd sand]

How do you lose money during a period where shit couldn't stay on the shelves?

[sly elk]

honestly

wouldn't be surprised if we had a spy or two hanging around lol

[devout nexus]

its a good question

another good question is why is the gov giving them a free handout to produce chips at home, and instead they cancel the project and gift it to themselves??

the system is seriously broken tax payers should be outraged

[sly elk]

wait wtf

they actually did that

ghu

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[devout nexus]

a rational response

[sly elk]

oh dude I JUST LOVE IT

let's continue to literally give our technology prowess away to other countries

[devout nexus]

reminds me of boeing before covid hit, they cleaned out the coffers of about 50 billion. they had no savings and so gov gave them money to live and they just bonused themselves the money again

[sly elk]

just so we can give some rich morons a few more bucks

[devout nexus]

yeah our government is not loyal for sure

they are also completely inept

[sly elk]

I think that bill to give intel and other companies money, did say something like they can't use the money to buy stock back

.... however

anyone could have predicted they'd find some other way to give themselves the money lmao

[devout nexus]

they are stealing from everyone and redistrubuting to the corporations who dont even produce anymore. its corporate welfarism

[sly elk]

i think the board of intel should be tried for treason

[devout nexus]

so when you experience inflation know who to blame, its not covid

[sly elk]

well

[devout nexus]

haha

i know you were being sarcastic

[sly elk]

i think we're

headed for rule 4 so

ugh but it does make me unhappy lol

[opal panther]

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[devout nexus]

dont let it take more from you than it has, its outside our control. but just be aware of this BS

[sly elk]

i mean let's look at it from the perspective of INTEL

and their shareholders

they're shooting themselves in the foot long term for some short term gains

[devout nexus]

yes

[modest moss]

you're too rich to pay no taxes yet not rich enough to pay no taxes

[sly elk]

the board is basically saying "we don't give a shit if we are the next sears/kmart"

[devout nexus]

meanwhile the media convinces you your evil etc. basically the entire role of media has become besetting the masses against one another. that is of course how the few control the many. its important to unplug from propoganda

[agile roost]

this is why i put everything under my llc and scorp

technically i'm broke, bankrupt, and own nothing

[jaunty light]

but they're makin jeorbs

them maple farms

[agile roost]

[sly elk]

zombie be careful doing that

[jaunty light]

one day I'll b e rich enough to fill an entire pool of the highest grade maple syrup

[devout nexus]

haha

[sly elk]

there are pretty clear cut rules for "business use"

[burnt swallow]

Guys

[agile roost]

well the only things in my life that technically aren't business related are the video games i buy

[burnt swallow]

My RX 6800 XT and Samsung 980 Pro just shipped out from Amazon 15 minutes ago

[agile roost]

but the tax on those purchases aren't that bad

[burnt swallow]

[jaunty light]

deez nuts

[devout nexus]

scientific feudalism

[sly elk]

TFW when you have 2 computers on one monitor and when one does display sleep the other takes over >>

I love it lol. I was going to say A for effort until he realized it was the wrong house

then I still give an A for struggling to pick it up and take it to the right place

[modest moss]

I think he's just stealing it tbh

[sly elk]

eh

would they?

[late basalt]

Yep

[modest moss]

he's got 'proof' he delivered it, he doesn't look anywhere else to see it's a wrong address, just picks it back up and leaves

[jaunty light]

he was just doin a little product photography

[sly elk]

gg

[odd sand]

Bc neither the CEO nor the shareholders have to care. The CEO can run it into the ground and ride a golden parachute into a new job np. Meanwhile the shareholders push for them to do unsustainable things then bail on them when its used up and let them collapse

[sly elk]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD–Chinese_joint_venture

wonder when intel will do the same

[odd sand]

Yes, give China modern CPU tech so they don't have to care about pissing off the west anymore heh

[devout nexus]

T.T

[jaunty light]

i hear they're finally up to 90nm

they might get the q6600 in 2 or 3 years!!

[devout nexus]

i actually priced out an old 22nm lithography machine and its 200% more expensive then when it was created over a decade ago.

old tech actually increasing in price not just because of inflation

[sly elk]

They have zen 1 licensed or whatever

But I don’t know if they can fab it themselves

Or if they still have to use tsmc

[jaunty light]

fighter jets running on stutters gets blown up by a sidewinder from 1968

[deep sapphire]

intel will never sell off its fabs

the government will funnel them money to keep them