🆕｜sd3

[lavish osprey]

the same difference between deepfake Luke Skywalker in The Mandalorian and the real Luke Skywalker

you can't really tell if this is ai generated or real, or it's not as easy

not only because MMDiT >>>>> Unet, but also because 16ch VAE is much less of a bottleneck

by the way, the reason I posted lots of "generic selfies" is mostly to show the "is this even AI?" kind of effect

but you can also do more "styled" portraits

[desert garnet]

u can make them look "real" on sdxl but you need a lora + a good finetune model so not on base

[lavish osprey]

I've yet to see a sdxl photo that looks "really real" and not just "very realistic"

no XL model can do this. And even if the unet can maybe keep up, the VAE will ruin details.

[sterile pendant]

yeah going from 4 to 16 channels on the vae is like going from playstation 2 to playstation 5

[storm saffron]

Tiled upscale?

[lavish osprey]

I mean you can play with controlnets, regional prompting, tiled upscale, countless loras, etc. But it kind of defeats the purpose of this argument.

also I still don't think XL can't get away from the "realistic cgi" look

mostly because finetunes aren't trained so well unfortunately

but also for the model limitations

[storm saffron]

I was asking if it was tiled upscale you used on that picture? Cos it's huge.

[lavish osprey]

yeah, but honestly it lowers realism sometimes

most of the pictures I post are just experiments

[desert garnet]

yea something like this but you need the bad quality lora + a good finetune so its cheating because sd3 can do that with base plus some of the background details come out deformed a lot of times with XL

[storm saffron]

There's a lot of giveaways in that picture when you look closely that's all, hair not attached to anything, trees in the background look weird, the window sill curves upwards as it gets to her head, one side of her head is less in focus than the other, and with it being high depth of field her face should all be in focus.

[cunning lintel]

Great, we went from SD3 the last model you ever need to SD3: portrait generator extraordinaire 😢 Would be great too see it do more challenging scenes, guess we'll see tomorrow if it's that much better compared to the API offering which isn't all that: "a mechanical monkey stabbing a hydra in the heart" somehow mechanical bleeds to the hydra, the stabbing if can even call it that, is a hot mess 😢

[dull star]

boring reality was a REALLY good lora

boring reality was good, but it seems SD3 Base can do realistic generic photos so far, but we'll see

[lavish osprey]

realism is not about bad quality. For example the image you posted still looks off to me.

[desert garnet]

yea no more need for cctv or bad quality loras

[lavish osprey]

this is good quality, but still looks real to me

[desert garnet]

yea no ketchup on fries

[dull star]

I'll def make stupid meme loras/TIs though

[sterile pendant]

pretty sure TIs are going to make a comeback

[lavish osprey]

biggest tells for me are the eyes and the clear 4ch vae artifacts

[sterile pendant]

since the base model is already so good

[dull star]

and no typical "finetune face" + variety... a dream thought impossible...

[cobalt moon]

Oh hi Lykon

[lavish osprey]

I'm very curious to see where the community will go with text encoders. There are even internal debates on them at the moment lol

[cobalt moon]

Rare to see you here

[lavish osprey]

there will be factions

[cobalt moon]

[storm saffron]

Hair on top looks like either a wig, or it's all matted together weirdly, the hair on the right looks bad too, the whole picture looks off really anatomically weird.

[rain current]

SDXL+SD1.5 (AI character attempt)

[desert garnet]

i can see a jenna ortega lora there

[dull star]

the third looks the most real to me

with the red shirt

[storm saffron]

What's up with that arm? Looks badly photoshopped to cover up a watermark

[lavish osprey]

I'd say this is pretty convincing. Probably heavily finetuned on real photos.

[rain current]

Yes, it's a mix of 5 celebrities

[dull star]

that looks like typical anatomy problem with diffusion models, like landscapes behind the character breaking in half

[lavish osprey]

tiled upscaler fuckery

notice it's on the seam

[dull star]

oh..

[storm saffron]

We need better upscaling then.

[dull star]

we'll need a pos embedding fix or whatever, cause currently, highresfix is out of the question

higher res images have artifacts

[lavish osprey]

needs controlnet

[dull star]

controlnet tile? is it more way more consistent?

[lavish osprey]

it should

[rain current]

Faceid only, but to be frank, I discarded many until I got a few realistic ones

[lavish osprey]

oh so it's ipadapter

yeah that's good to imitate real photos

but still, it's a bit unfair for the sake of this argument

[cobalt moon]

ControlNet Tile?

[lavish osprey]

even canny or depth might help

[rain current]

FaceID cropping only the faces. With just SDXL it was impossible, I had to use SD1.5 to achieve some realism

[lavish osprey]

it's still gonna condition the model enough to be less uncanny

[dull star]

I still don't like these selfies I'm sorry

[lavish osprey]

I guess the prompt might be something similar to photo selfie of a woman, smiling at the camera, she has grey eyes and is wearing a k-way with the hood on her head. Looks like she is on a mountain with grass on her background. The weather is cloudy with a grey sky

[muted dove]

They were interrupted...

[storm saffron]

It's always the nonsensical zips that give it away

[sterile pendant]

I'm still messing around with hunyuandit while we wait. I'm actually kind of surprised with it from time to time. Like here's a semi-decent generation from it:

A vibrant, eye-catching cover design for a graphic novel set in a dystopian future, featuring a rebellious protagonist amidst a backdrop of crumbling cityscapes.

[lavish osprey]

Caldais

[gusty gale]

something's weird in the background on this one

[lavish osprey]

oh got a blue one

[storm saffron]

She's off up the hill now

[lavish osprey]

4ch vae struggling with that grass

[storm saffron]

Can't see anything wrong with the grass

[gusty gale]

I think everything struggles with grass, something was slightly off in the ones you posted

[lavish osprey]

it's almost like blobs

the VAE is also probably hard limiting pupils on xl.

compare pupils and grass here #🆕｜sd3 message and here #🆕｜sd3 message

by the way, original vs upscaled

[sterile pendant]

looks good, but the upscale kind of destroyed the grass around the shoulder on the right side of the image

[gusty gale]

now the only thing that seems off is the text on the coat, but except for that, I don't see anything else

[sterile pendant]

it's very noise and blotchy

[lavish osprey]

try photo of a landscape with a radio tower on XL and zoom in on the tower. Even SD3 struggles with it, but it's pretty darn good.

[lavish osprey]

has all sorts of issues.

[storm saffron]

I don't see it. I've got ACTUAL real life pictures where the grass looks worse than that. Cameras don't have infinite res.

[cobalt moon]

The freckles is a bit funny

[cobalt moon]

The grass look like smoothed

[lavish osprey]

that's true, but the way a real camera handles that is different from the way VAE decoding handles that.

[sterile pendant]

it looked smooth as hell, like a dreamy blur in that picture

[storm saffron]

In a real camera it becomes a blurry mess

[sterile pendant]

i've been a nature photographer (semi-pro) for decades, that grass don't look right

[rain current]

This is the best... 2B, right?

[sterile pendant]

need a hank hill "that grass aint right" meme

[lavish osprey]

again, maybe, but not in the way vae handles that. In a real camera you get a dotted look, vae smoothing is different

[lavish osprey]

it's 2b yes

[cobalt moon]

I mean it is just base

Imagine what Dreamshaper SD3 can do

[lavish osprey]

I won't be making a DreamShaper SD3 since I already worked on base SD3 😄

[cobalt moon]

Or other realistic finetunes in the future

[lavish osprey]

8B

[muted dove]

Any better?

[storm saffron]

All I'm trying to get at is that the portrait is just a minor incremental upgrade, we've all seen portraits, show us things that are amazingly good and literally can't be done in SDXL finetunes. To me the selfies and reaslistic pics are a minor upgrade, the radio tower was more impressive in that it actually had structure, what about electricity pylons? They have all the nasty curves and straight lines that SDXL just can't do?

[junior dune]

Tmrws the day

[muted dove]

Upscaled

[lavish osprey]

you mean like this? #🆕｜sd3 message

[sterile pendant]

yeah, actually, that's much better. the grass still has some imperfections to it, but it's highly similar to what you'd see from a cellphone camera with autohdr on. like the contrasty ghosting around the blades of grass is 100% what you'd see with a cellphone camera using autohdr (they also do some other autoenchancing stuff under the hood as well usually)

[storm saffron]

I literally called that out as impressive in my message?

[lavish osprey]

good job on the lower part of the tower, less on the upper part and the grass

[lavish osprey]

yeah just asking

[cobalt moon]

Basically I am still waiting for someone to actually make SD3 2B preview on Japanese anime

[storm saffron]

Cos when it comes to cables, crosses, anything meshy, SDXL just barfs.

[cobalt moon]

Although SDXL is like super sufficient for that already

[storm saffron]

Alright, give us a singer singing into a silver stage mic. See if it can do the mesh on the mic.

[gusty gale]

sdxl had issues with things like this

[storm saffron]

Cus.... no. That's not a mic.

It's like it's been bedazzled

[lavish osprey]

never tried, let's see

not perfect but this specific use case is not a deal breaker to me

[dull star]

kek

[storm saffron]

Nothing's a 'deal breaker', but that's pretty poor. 😄

[lavish osprey]

the tower structure is kind of nice

[gusty gale]

it looks more odd the more you look to the left

[storm saffron]

Guitars, also pretty bad

[sterile pendant]

here's hunyuan's attempt at it

[storm saffron]

Yeah, still pretty bad, look like bobbles

[storm saffron]

That's not even her hand in that. 😄

[sterile pendant]

hahah

yeah this model is still so undertrained. i've mostly been messing with it like i do pixart sigma: composition to be refined with sdxl

[storm saffron]

That's SDXL's version of the pylon pic, I'd say it's even with SD3 pretty much

[storm saffron]

Who covered that mic in chainmail?

[storm saffron]

It's haing a go anyway, it's close

[gusty gale]

they both seem to get confused the further the lines are

[noble coyote]

Celtic knotworks/crocheted/woven microphone Shure 99

[storm saffron]

At least we're no longer looking at the kind of selfies that are gonna be used in catfishing scams. 😛

@lavish osprey is there a release time window yet? or just any time on the 12th in UTC?

[lavish osprey]

in about 24h

give or take

[gusty gale]

nah two more weeks 🙂

[lavish osprey]

that's impossible. The model has been given out to partners and inference code for comfy is public

[cobalt moon]

I expected 12PM in Britain

But eh

People just being impatient anyway

[noble coyote]

12 a.m. UK is 11 p.m. UTC

[viral plaza]

btw update! @ocean lance PR'd code for Swarm to have native tiling integrated by default, and it works pretty well, so if you want upscaled SD3 in Swarm you just gotta check the "Refiner Do Tiling" box :D

[low stone]

Very cool. For those still just using comfy, will there be a workflow posted to the examples folder on GitHub for that?

[lavish osprey]

gonna be a bit later than that. Just saying it so you don't worry

[cobalt moon]

Nah I am busy this weekdays so no hard feelings

[viral plaza]

yes but also use swarm lol but yes workflows in general in the model folder & also comfy examples page, not sure exactly on upscaling* but probably somewhere that too yes

[noble coyote]

"I've been over-weighting; and I'm sinking! Release me from the waits!!!"

[storm saffron]

Usually software launches happen around 2-5pm at least, in my experience. 😄

[low stone]

I totally get it, but I like the minimalism of comfy. I moved away from a1111 a good while back and don't like the clutter of that anymore other than exactly what I want.

[cobalt moon]

Lunch break do exist in UK so yeah

[ocean lance]

it's using some code from my tiled sampler nodes, but a bit more efficient with @viral plaza's help

[noble coyote]

12 a.m. UTC is 1 a.m. BST ... just sayin'

[storm saffron]

Usually you don't want to launch too early because you're still getting stuff ready and that means the morning is out because lunch, and so the only time left is early afternoon so you can fix stuff.

[cobalt moon]

Which timezone of UTC? GMT / UTC+-0 ?

[noble coyote]

I love re-doing favourite ComfyUI Prompts in A1111 - as it deals so differently with the noise - some excellent results!!!

UTC is GMT - is it not?

[muted dove]

SDXL power lines... perhaps after a storm 😄

[storm saffron]

UTC = GMT(ish, technically there's a difference), BST = UTC+1

[cobalt moon]

UTC is a time standard

[compact forge]

isnt it just the weight interpretation being different lol

[noble coyote]

Yes, why I said UTC 12a.m. is 1a.m. BST

[ocean lance]

figure it'd be mid morning EST time

[cobalt moon]

Like you can say UTC-8 instead of PT

[noble coyote]

Something's different - but good!!! Surprising results every time 🥳

[viral plaza]

yes

[compact forge]

you can use wildcard encode (inspire pack) to mimick auto1111

[noble coyote]

So many conflicted nodes - Failed to Import - and for all the good WAS Nodes can do - I've never gotten them to work!!! 😄

[gusty gale]

it's also that A1111 uses GPU to generate noise while ComfyUI uses CPU

or at least that used to be the cause for difference in generations with identical settings

[compact forge]

ugh, that's never an issue for me. also it's inspire not WAS

[noble coyote]

There are certain Extensions in A1111 that I love to use - especially Latent Mirroring

And Embeddings too

[muted dove]

You can use embeddings in comfyui

[compact forge]

you can do literally everything in comfy

[noble coyote]

I think my Inspire joins WAS in its disinclination to work 😦

[noble coyote]

I have tried many of my A1111 Embeddings in ComfyUI - and only about 15% work! But when they do they are excellent.

They also s l o w ComfyUI down

[lavish osprey]

it still baffles me that you can't use sd1.5 embeddings on sdxl models in auto1111

despite reporting the issue months ago

[muted dove]

Can't you? Isn't there a node for that now?

[noble coyote]

"Waiting for Amazon to deliver my SD3 Weights!"

[muted dove]

OH! A1111 😄

Haven't touched it in about a year

[lavish osprey]

I only ever used for model cards

for everything else I do I must use comfy

[noble coyote]

"This is my neighbour's wife - she said she'd call-in at the Local Fed-Ex Office - to see if the SD3 Weights are in?!"

[patent acorn]

BIG THINGS COMING

[cerulean sphinx]

Did you create a PR for a fix?

[viral plaza]

for model cards?

[turbid grotto]

even huge gpt4o can't do this

[supple walrus]

comfy redefines clutter. it looks like a hoarders convention

[faint breach]

people with organized workflows just look like hoarders that are running an ebay page and gotta keep their stuff organized

[orchid cove]

How does comfyui now compare to ~6mo ago? I never liked needing 3rd party nodes for what I considered expected functionality (alongside other annoyances) so I stopped using it

[faint breach]

same situation. there's a giant pot hole in the rear view right now though. the custom node situation you're expressing frustration with led to malware being widely distributed through comfyui users

every workflow requires custom nodes that nobody vets or even thinks of going to the webpage for. and they're always different custom nodes. people wont' think twice about installing them. You did though. Good security policy bruh. You dodged that bullet.

Comfyui really needs a standard library that's versatile enough to not need to be replaced by some random github page that comfymanager automatically downloads from.

[dull star]

I was super lucky by installing a vision LLM addon that wasn't that one

[faint breach]

and then the community needs to start shaming workflow authors for not using that standard library

[dull star]

honestly with SD3, Idk what plugins I should use other than maybe rgthree

and maaaybe custom samplers if they aren't broken

[faint breach]

honestly , any workflow that requires custom nodes that do basic functions, should be viewed under the same lens that CKPT's often get

json files should not be an attack vector

or png files for that matter

[rain current]

Ideogram test

[viral plaza]

Swarm has the more built into its core by default than i think any other ui does

you'll still want extensions as you get into advanced usage stuff, but, less quickly that you would with comfy on its own, or with auto, or focus or forge or etc

(actually i suppose maybe vlad can match that claim, had a lot built in last i looked)

[hushed oyster]

When will SD3 be launched

Friends, who understands

[low stone]

It's fine, I can stop whenever I want. Get off my back. 🙂

[dull star]

ok I'm gonna try training an SDXL embedding

we'll see how it works with SD3 🤷‍♂️

[barren spindle]

have you guys found much benefit from negative prompts in sd3?

[turbid grotto]

think about June 12th 23:59

[barren spindle]

pls no

[turbid grotto]

ideogram is really underrated

[barren spindle]

I'm hoping its something more typical, like 1200 GMT

[barren spindle]

bump

[dull star]

expect it to be completely random lol

[barren spindle]

I have 0 expectations lol

but I have hopes

[turbid grotto]

it is gonna be the heaviest wait

[dull star]

but not the heaviest weight..

[raven fern]

only 4GB weight

[turbid grotto]

best choice is to expect 23:59

[dull star]

fr

[barren spindle]

hawaii timezone

[remote holly]

Maybe 12 june

[viral plaza]

i was thinking 26:72

[dull star]

[turbid grotto]

[low stone]

I saw "upscaling" mentioned in passing on an announcement, but I haven't seen anything since. It'll be great once they have it.

[rugged nova]

Been playing around with stablesswarm a bit and I see regional prompting seems to be a feature but I can't find any documentation on how its supposed to be used.

How do you define the regions / prompt for each?

[turbid grotto]

yea, should be good

probably will switch to swarm too

[woeful spindle]

will we have comfyui or auto1111 support for sd3 when it drops

[turbid grotto]

I actually was dreaming about possibility to make custom interfaces to own workflows, to not swim in noodles

[turbid grotto]

comfy is already support

just update

[lavish osprey]

on a certain website that has a certain auto1111 plugin for model infos

[viral plaza]

interface is a lil wonky for regions atm, easiest way is just open the Edit Image interface on any image, use the Select tool to select an area, and click Make Region at the bottom.
That'll add it to your prompt. The actual prompt syntax is relatively simple so if you're not scared of numbers you can also just type it yourself. Also if you type <region: in prompt it will pop up docs & examples so you're not typing blind

[dull star]

oh nice

[viral plaza]

swarm has a civitai metadata autodownloader as of a couple days ago

[rugged nova]

Ok, thank you

[lavish osprey]

I stopped posting models way before that

[barren spindle]

anyone see that Porsche Macan comparison post on the sd subreddit? dude admitted in the comments that he upscaled the SD3 image with a different service >_>

https://www.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/1ddad7i/sdxl_vs_sd3_car_comparaison/l83wagl/

And the original SD3 image isnt even bad at all

[fleet meteor]

Tomorrow the 2b version will be released 🤗

[fleet meteor]

Yeah I did, the original was good

Idk why but there are little images of sd3 with good prompts

[dull star]

even if it was upscaled, we should look at what the anatomy and sizes of what stuff are

the car looks correctly placed, the scenery looks correct

but the leaves are massive for some reason

[barren spindle]

everything in the base image looks great

[dull star]

lmao

[barren spindle]

road texture is very real

[dull star]

it also just looks "convincing"

oh wow no depth of field

even 8B struggled with trying not to put depth of field in my testing

god I really hope non-bokeh images are easily possible

[barren spindle]

I generated this with whatever is currently hosted on the API

and of course, huge depth of field

[dull star]

there's 2B apparently, and also Ultra

idk what you are using rn and what the prompt it

[barren spindle]

"A high resolution photograph of a gray Ford Focus RS parked on the Las Vegas strip at night"

no negative

[dull star]

😔

[fleet meteor]

That is the thing that i most hate when I generate images

[dull star]

low quality generic phone photo of a gray Ford Focus RS parked on the Las Vegas strip at night

[fleet meteor]

try with "depth of field, bokeh" negative, idk how this works in sd3, in sdxl sometimes it works and sometimes it doesnt

[fleet meteor]

And somehow, that would look even better than the "high resolution potograph" one 😄

[dull star]

undertrained 8B isn't exactly the best test for this 😕

[fleet meteor]

What was the prompt?

I´ll try this on sdxl

[turbid grotto]

It is actually beatable by sharpening image before second and third pass

[faint breach]

i need technical support installing sd3. i've troubleshooted all i can so far and i've hit a wall with it not being tomorrow yet. Can anyone offer any advice?

Comfyui got updated to support sd3 but i can't make it work

[barren spindle]

Backups were too expensive

[faint breach]

the backups were in the project folder under /backups/

[dull star]

aw man, guess we're waiting a few more years

maybe there's gonna be a pixart 20B model, I'm pretty sure guys

[faint breach]

maybe if they count all the vae, encoder, and every stage's parameter count. Feels like in the early 2000s when intel would call a dualcore 1ghz machine a 2ghz machine

[dull star]

"he keeps saying the same thing"

you mean SOON?

[sullen moss]

2 weeks)

[dull star]

2B comes out 2 weeks after June 12

[verbal epoch]

Which time will it get released?

[dull star]

expect the worst

expect 23:59

[fleet meteor]

24:69

[verbal epoch]

69 xd

[verbal epoch]

mhh

[civic egret]

stopped posting models
Does this mean we won't see an DreamShaper SD3? 🥹

Or just that it wouldn't be on Civ?

*edit: Here's a link to what I love most about finetunes (especially dreamshaper) and their purpose in my opinion compared to the base model. I hope you read it to understand where I'm coming from: #🆕｜sd3 message

[dull star]

he said he worked on the model itself so no apparently

#🆕｜sd3 message

[civic egret]

Ahhh, didn't see that. Sorry for the ping Lykon

Sad to hear

[dull star]

considering that super aesthetic images are doable, but it doesn't made lower quality images impossible and there's actual variety between seeds

I think this is a win for everyone

[low stone]

No dream shaping allowed

[civic egret]

The focus of any base model is to be able to do everything*. The focus of finetunes are to be able to do some things a lot better. In this way, the concept of DreamShaper or any other model that's finetuned would be great to use as a refiner or upscaler from any base-level gens for SD3.

Their purpose is always to better what the original model does (in certain directions), with the loss of creativity from overtraining (even as lightly overtrained as they may be.)

So in essence, it is a great loss.

[faint breach]

is it tommorrow yet?

[wind talon]

hello, how's the prompt comprehension of sd3? is it comparable to something like pixart?

[low stone]

Similar to pixart but understands more concepts than pixart

[faint breach]

pixart supports a version of the t5 encoder. sd3 does too. Prompt comprehension relies a lot on the data set's captioning quality. I wish Stability would release the data set and we can see how things are captioned. Or a cross section of it even.

training data seems to be kept behind closed doors the last few releases

[cunning lintel]

about the same ballpark for what's in the api now, sometimes pixart is better, sometimes sd3. One thing where sd3 seems really trained on is 3 things in a row, each with its own description.

[wind talon]

ooh so does that mean it's good at understanding prompts for multiple subjects at once?

[wind talon]

i heard the t5 model for sd has a 77 token limit

[faint breach]

we can do those kind of 3 things in a row compositions right now with regional prompting on sd15. what'll be neat though is to get that kind of attention span on a single prompt, but also combine it with regional prompting

[faint breach]

i think that was misinformation someone was barking about when the paper released.

[cunning lintel]

yeah, it can separate it reasonably well

[lavish osprey]

sd3 was already finetuned on most of the data I could get from DS. Basically I removed opt-out stuff and nsfw stuff.

[wind talon]

that's good to hear, i'd be very disappointed if it had such a small token limit

[faint breach]

if you're only using the two clip layers without t5, it'll have the 77 token limit we're used to

but also it'll still have the new vae

[wind talon]

i'm assuming the t5 model can be offloaded onto cpu like with pixart, right?

[sullen moss]

https://www.techpowerup.com/323495/possible-specs-of-nvidia-geforce-blackwell-gpu-lineup-leaked

[faint breach]

all available information seems to suggest that

[cunning lintel]

long prompts seem fairly badly handled in the api version, i hope it's getting better in the 2b model

[faint breach]

wait until people start carving up comfy workflows

[civic egret]

I understand. I look forward to using it and seeing your work in the mix, though as an artist myself who is never quite satisfied with my creations, I do hope to see your hand in a further finetuning down the road if inspiration and new data hits you.

[fleet meteor]

I hope they create a new dataset or copy what mj/openAI did with mjv6/dalle3 , using hand made captioning for high quality images

[faint breach]

also, with custom nodes, be wary about any that are over hyped and claiming magical abilities. watch out for youtubers releasing fake content.

[fleet meteor]

That might be expensive af tho

[faint breach]

sd3 is going to hav ea lot of excited people excitedly downloading a lot of new nodes

[silver sluice]

hell yeah, i also see a commit from yesterday just titled "SD3 support" so devs are def working on integrating support prior to release, would be nice if comfyui latest release supports SD3 the moment they releease the weights

[wind talon]

doesn't the comfyui dev work for stability?

[dull star]

perfect time for updating a node repo to install a local whl because the official package is suddenly buggy (swearsies)

[faint breach]

open ai's dalle3 research demonstrates that beter captions make a better model. i'd expect stability to have read that paper

[silver sluice]

ive heard something like that yeah

[dull star]

yes he does

he's right there on the right at Devs - comfy

[faint breach]

devs is a good show staring nick offerman

it's 730pm in london at Stability HQ. Does that mean only 4.5 more hours??

[silver sluice]

lol i love how you looked into all those details to produce an accurate estimate of when exactly it'll be released, if it comes out in 5 hours that gives me from 7pm to midnight to play with it, so stoked

[faint breach]

lol don't expect it to be in a few hours i was half kidding. I've known Stability HQ was london based for a long while. But their releases are typically on US time i've noticed

[jolly swan]

@viral plaza sup, has there been any clarifications on model license from the business people? (sorry to ask but no one from decision makers seems to go to this channel)

[faint breach]

Reflective media that shows a representation of a culture, i love it. Pony really is one of those.

a lot of media is over produced and corporate. that raw reflection though, oo baby.

oh astra you're here hi! you always seem to be around if i'm mentioning thigns about your model

[lavish osprey]

there is gonna be a FAQ

hopefully at release

[wind talon]

if sd3 medium is the 2b what's sd3 small?

[lavish osprey]

800M

[wind talon]

is it being released along with sd3 medium

[jolly swan]

thank you, but oh boy, wouldn't it hurt to communicate in advance.

[raven fern]

smol boi

[lavish osprey]

we are releasing models as soon as they're "ready", we don't have the throughput currently to parallelize the process, so it's gonna be just 2B tomorrow

also, and this is just my opinion, 8b is far more "ready" than 800m

[rain current]

I would have liked a 4B; I can't even move an 8B by praying to the PC every night

[raven fern]

lol

[jolly swan]

I think you replied to wrong message.

[wind talon]

yea

[jolly swan]

But I am totaly fine with having just 2B

I just want clarity on licensing.

[wind talon]

i want pony diffusion pixart

[raven fern]

2B with all the toys attached to it (loras, controlnets, etc) will keep people occupied anyway until the next sd3 version

[lavish osprey]

there isn't much to gain currently from a 4b compared to a 2b model. Maybe a future sd3.1 will be 4b, who knows. Depends on the average vram availability. 2b seemed like a good size to allow most users to run the model, since it's about the same as asdxl

[dull star]

it would be better for higher end people cause they can still finetune offline unlike 8B, but 2B is such a nice middleground that a lot more people can contribute and use

[lavish osprey]

[wind talon]

the 8b is planned to release eventually right?

[jolly swan]

https://tenor.com/view/team-fortress2-heavy-maybe-sniff-well-see-gif-16650546

[lavish osprey]

2b is still quite big guys, with all the tes it's bigger than xl

which is, well, "xl"

[dull star]

well with T5 yes absolutely 💀

[shell bloom]

@lavish osprey Hi Lykon do you know what time it will be released tomorrow?

[lavish osprey]

I do but I'm not sure I can share

[rain current]

It's understandable, and we need to think about a wider range. Moreover, what we're going to have already offers very good quality. The only question is whether it will understand the prompts and be faithful to them, which is what matters most. That's why I'm so eager to try it

[wind talon]

with how strong and mighty pixart is for a 0.6b tech demo i believe you

[raven fern]

prob around noon est or pst is my guess

[jolly swan]

I think right now the tradeoff is "a large 1024px model with very good community support and clear license" vs "a slightly larger 1024px model with maybe better TE and no clear license or community support"

[lavish osprey]

I'd say it does

[jolly swan]

Are there going to be official control nets or something like that?

[raven fern]

aww the Lykon plushie ❤️

[lavish osprey]

self-portrait

[raven fern]

haha

[lavish osprey]

also this is probably the first base model we relase that can do decent anime out of the box. 2b vs xl

[leaden kindle]

@lavish osprey Do you know if trained LoRas will work across SD3 models (2B vs 8B) or will they have to be trained for each model?

[wind talon]

could you post some landscape/scenery gens

[rain current]

I have been comparing how faithful it can be to the prompt with published images quite a lot. And in many instances, it seems like you have to emphasize because, in this example, 'slightly plump,' the girl looks like she only eats fresh vegetables
Left: SD3 Right: Ideogram

[raven fern]

lol

[wind talon]

they probably took out plump girls out of the dataset

[raven fern]

no maidens?

[lavish osprey]

I personally don't make many because I think it's too easy even for sd1.5. Would these be enough?

[storm saffron]

There a pirate about? cos they stole the R.

[lavish osprey]

I still liked it 😄

very natural

there were likely many broken signs in the dataset lol

[lavish osprey]

that 8b on API is definitely not final by the way

[wind talon]

i was hoping for more wideshots of landscape. sd really sucks at them. tends to have this fisheye lens effect

[rain current]

Yeah, that's why I'm very eager to do tests with 2B

[lavish osprey]

some gens from the 8b training

[dull star]

these look like images

[livid plover]

i know that girl! Lol

[lavish osprey]

we didn't have too much time to train 2b, it's mostly intended as a capability showcase and as a true base model

[storm saffron]

LOL I'm surprised the text was this comprehensible from SDXL

[wind talon]

sdxl could do text?

[dull star]

words are fine in SDXL

sentences, not so much

[rain current]

And as a base model, it's impressive

[lavish osprey]

8b at the moment is much better with hands and anatomy imo. But still has some issues we want to address

[raven fern]

that is definitely a picture that exists

[rustic plover]

Is DreamShaper SD3 on the way?😁

[wind talon]

he said no earlier

dreamshaper is now BUILT IN, are you excited?

[lavish osprey]

simple text, yes. It fails on long prompts and with various positionings. Eg: sdxl can't do this

[raven fern]

i like the potion pics

[dull star]

same

[lavish osprey]

or this, also very cool even if a bit surreal, but I asked the model to have "Poison" crossed out and it actually "worked"

[rain current]

It's missing 2 fingers!! Wait... shit, I'm used to SDXL, sorry

[dull star]

oh wow nice

[raven fern]

kek

[wind talon]

is this the 2b or 8b?

[noble coyote]

So not to spoil the party, where do we d/load the weights for SD Ultra?

[lavish osprey]

8b in this case but I think 2b would understand too, or has the capabilities to learn it

[lavish osprey]

ultra is not a model

[dull star]

SD3 is good with circles (this is 8B from the api a month ago)

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1230206273451069540/1243678330125811802/testing-out-sd3-on-my-own-ideas-i-tried-not-to-cherry-pick-v0-d1lek8sxbavc1.webp?ex=66696b74&is=666819f4&hm=1129ba40969faad5d906fe113c2f6940ed2837d2cbba381c9117175789b40a77&=&format=webp&width=676&height=676

[jolly swan]

Say YES to friendship!

[wind talon]

i remember when the sd3 api first released, there was this top secret model called sdnext in it, what was that about?

[noble coyote]

Oh? But it can be used via ComfyUI?

[dull star]

Beta?

[lavish osprey]

with the SAI API node, yes you can.

[storm saffron]

Can it do spell checking?

[wind talon]

what can we expect for the sd 3 medium not beta

[dull star]

how come medium beta?

[noble coyote]

OK, thank you!

[lavish osprey]

2b

[dull star]

https://tenor.com/view/uncle-roger-fuiyoh-gif-21425901

[storm saffron]

notes, needs more guitar training

[lavish osprey]

also 2b

[wind talon]

impressive!

[raven fern]

does it know David Gilmour?

[wind talon]

do you have any idea if sd3 will be cheaper or more expensive to finetune compared to sdxl?

[rain current]

the one who wasn't anxious or impatient about 2B, I think, has now changed their mindset...

[sullen moss]

Will the 8B model be able to understand complex conceptual ideas? I understand that open-source models are unlikely to achieve the quality of DALL-E 3, but I hope for something at least close to it.

[storm saffron]

From my understanding of what's been said before, about the same.

[lavish osprey]

I think open source models are far better than Dalle, depending on the benchmark

[storm saffron]

Have you seen some of the crap Dall-E outputs when you try 'realistic' mode? 🤢

[lavish osprey]

if you freeze the tes, it's the same as sdxl with frozen tes

like preprocess your dataset and finetune mmdit only

[rain current]

I have done comparative tests with DALL-E 3 (and SD3 API), and I think DALL-E 3 now falls behind, especially considering that DALL-E 3 does not offer the same quality. The only one where I have gotten better results (I repeat, SD3 API, not 2B) is Ideogram in some cases

[lavish osprey]

anyway, both ideogram and dalle are pipelines not models

if anything, at least you should compare to Ultra, not sd3

[wind talon]

what's ultra

[lavish osprey]

idoegram doesn't even handle text in the same model.

[storm saffron]

Dall-E3... 😐

[lavish osprey]

yeah that's unusable. It generates an image, now what do I do with it? The quality is too low. Good for normies

[rain current]

It is true that to make a fair comparison, I should do it with Ultra

[wind talon]

pixart would beat this up

[storm saffron]

Here's one of your fave prompts.... woman, outside, selfie

[fleet meteor]

So cute

[wind talon]

incredible

[lavish osprey]

not Asian, terrible

[storm saffron]

Yes, pixart base 1024 would beat that, my finetune would be even better.

[lavish osprey]

https://platform.stability.ai/docs/api-reference#tag/Generate/paths/~1v2beta~1stable-image~1generate~1ultra/post

[storm saffron]

I'm not wasting any more dall-e credits on that. 😄

[wind talon]

ooh okay

[lavish osprey]

this is from our Fast workflow, that generates 4 1mp images in 0.9 seconds...

I mean....

[wind talon]

could you have the model write some text on their foreheads?

[storm saffron]

PixArt (extraMODE finetune) woman, outside, selfie

[lavish osprey]

Ultra

[rain current]

I understand that Midjourney generates many images, and while they are being generated, a selection rating is applied, stopping the ones with lower ratings and keeping only the highest-rated ones. Does Ultra do something similar?

[raven fern]

dem freckles

[lavish osprey]

no

no need, every image is high quality

[wind talon]

ooo confident

[wind talon]

these are ultra?

[lavish osprey]

yep

[remote holly]

Sd3 2B ?

[wind talon]

show me your favourite 2b gen

[lavish osprey]

2b

[lavish osprey]

uhm can't

I reserve the best gens for the marketing team 😄

you'll see some cool ones in the model card tomorrow

[rain current]

But no one sees you here

[raven fern]

i see you

[muted dove]

What's in the Ultra flow?

[lavish osprey]

one of my favourites is this one but mostly because I used 3 different prompts (one for each TE)

[remote holly]

I love 2b renders

[vapid radish]

SD3 , Upscaled with SDXL.

[lavish osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/mib-men-in-black-will-gif-20590125

I'll tell you after they invent this ^

[muted dove]

They have, I have one and will use it afterwards...promise 🤞🏻

[wind talon]

thats the forget-sd-2.0 3000

[fleet meteor]

I love the lighting in the second one

[raven fern]

can tooncrafter take the first and last frames of that gif and recreate it? :3

[gusty gale]

ultra is possibly a workflow, some images he uploaded and claimed to be ultra have ComfyUI-temp in their name

[rain current]

At 100%, it's impressive

[sullen moss]

I remember when SDXL came out, at first I upscaled with SD1.5. I'm curious to see how it will be this time

[lavish osprey]

try doing that here, see if you make it better or if it ruins it

[muted dove]

I presume it'll never be Open Source? 🤔

[wind talon]

that's really impessive, which model is that?

[lavish osprey]

its components may or may not be

[lavish osprey]

2b

or try to upscale/refine this with sdxl

[fleet meteor]

I think you need 2 frames U.U

[wind talon]

now you got me excited

[lavish osprey]

I posted even better stuff on X

[storm saffron]

Any change you can test out my latent size selector for SD3? It's on Comfy Manager. I obviously can't test it yet. 😄

[raven fern]

i actually never tried tooncrafter yet, just saw couple examples

[wind talon]

is this a raw gen? the skin is really detailed

[fleet meteor]

I tried it and sometimes it works very well, the only sad thing is that I have to use low resolution, like 512x512

[raven fern]

ah

[faint breach]

Portraits might be a lot more interseting now that people can add hats with text!

[muted dove]

Upscaled 2x using SDXL

[lavish osprey]

looks the same size to me 🤔

yeah it's the same pixel by pixel, no diffs

[muted dove]

It's not

[lavish osprey]

wrong file?

[storm saffron]

You uploaded the wrong one

[faint breach]

i think you posted the wrong file. it's identical

i thought it was an impressive upscale then i looed at the original

[muted dove]

Sorry, try this one

[lavish osprey]

judging by the video one, I don't think it improved by the way

[storm saffron]

It's smoothed everything out that made it look 'amateur'

[lavish osprey]

yeah it's bigger but it's yellow toned (known sdxl vae color issue) and became more uncanny

[storm saffron]

Now it's had the "beautification" filter added

[wind talon]

close up detail looks worse

[lavish osprey]

yeah more pixels for sure, but now it's "fake"

[storm saffron]

Trees are better, but everything else, worse

[faint breach]

on the upscale i can see a lot of gannyness. in the eyes and leaves

[lavish osprey]

my point being, you can't really use XL to refine sd3 2b images. Even if your xl model is amazing, the vae is just gonna kill it
It might be useful to refine artstyles that have a lower detail need or no uncanny effect, like anime

(also no xl model right now is realistic enough)

[faint breach]

when vae bridge for xl?

[storm saffron]

Not even RealisticVision or Juggernaut? 😮 shocking. 😄

[lavish osprey]

not their fault

Include DreamShaper in the mix if you want, that too is not realistic enough

[faint breach]

portraits are going to kick so much butt going forward. every single poerson posting portraits from now on, i'm gonna be like "where's the graphic tee or ballcap?"

[wind talon]

yeah, the sdxl upscale couldn't handle the finedetails in the wrinkles

[wind talon]

if you zoomed it looks like someone hit her with a waffle iron

[fleet meteor]

Maybe because most of them (or at least the ones I saw) are using some AI images in their own dataset

[lavish osprey]

[lavish osprey]

probably

[faint breach]

needs more ballcap

[jolly swan]

Have to keep the hype train running! 🙂

[faint breach]

people love reflections. they're so vain. they probably think this song is about them.

[lavish osprey]

I'll move to 8b likely

well I already did

[crimson tartan]

just out of curriosity will the SD3 model have the same token limit as earlier versions of SD? I belive its 75? I am never unsterstand how kohya can use 150 etc tokens

[fleet meteor]

Even the most decent "natural face" lora on civit was trained using... AI generated people from that doesthispersonexist page

[muted dove]

This one starts with the original, then upscaled. Less freckles is original...

[lavish osprey]

anyway @viral plaza won't like me saying this, but I like t5. I hope you'll appreciate it too.
You can do cool stuff with it, like you describe a scene with 2 characters, and then copypaste the wiki description of those characters and it works. These are from a book my wife is reading

no lora

no controlnet

just copypasted character descriptions

[faint breach]

think of the token limit of the unet models like an attention span. it can do unlimited tokens, but only has attention on 77 sized chunks of it.

[rugged nova]

"then copypaste the wiki description of those characters and it works"

That sounds awesome

[vapid radish]

SD3 is having trouble holding swords right now, this took quite a lot of gens and is still quite bad, SDXL finetunes are actually much better ATM at holding stuff, which I find supprising.

[wind talon]

yeah that works on pixart and it uses t5

[sick cedar]

@viral plaza Not like T5!?

[lavish osprey]

it was trained with 77x3 tokens, but ideally you can train it with 512+77+77 (which also makes 666 tokens, so it's a missed opportunity on our end)

[wind talon]

oh

[lavish osprey]

the paper explains this I believe

[faint breach]

Have you seen these youtube channels that churn out content by narrating and animating tales from reddit subs? sd3 going to put these channels into overdrive.

[lavish osprey]

I made this just yesterday

[muted dove]

100% it is better and not ruined. 1st is original, swiping left reveals the upscaled. The trees, building and distant mountain details are all better

...but original is awesome for a base model!

[lavish osprey]

yeah this one is not very ruined. It just added freckles for some reason.

[muted dove]

Just needs tweaking

[raven fern]

elden ring concept art 😮

[faint breach]

turned the granit rock faces into houses too

[lavish osprey]

but this is likely a very expensive tiled upscaling thet you'd probably do easier with sd3 itself instead of using xl

[fleet meteor]

Can anyone test some dumb concepts like "A potato fighting with a french frie", I test this on google gemini and it worked decent, I´ll try it on sdxl and other AIs

[muted dove]

Prompt executed in 85.49 seconds

Not too bad, it's 3584x4608

[crimson tartan]

Future work ™️

[storm saffron]

If you do exactly 512 + 77 + 77 does it just make pics of Beelzebub?

[crimson tartan]

Im quite hopefull for 2b, smaller models allow alot more people to contribute with finetunes etc.
Out of curriosity will the new architecture allow better Quantizations, as seen in LLMs?

[faint breach]

i could see something like supir being trained to use SD3 instead

[rain current]

Well, I used SDXL for upscaling from the SD3 API, and it worked quite well for me

[remote holly]

Can sd3 make a mix of styles ? for example a realistic human talking with a 30's black and white cartoon character

[raven fern]

i think i saw that

[storm saffron]

There's no difference in color between those two, that's done quite well

[lavish osprey]

yeah it will work well on sd3 api.

because the model used there is far less aesthetically finetuned

[faint breach]

i think the lower resolution version has better detail. like, look at this skin texture on the upscaled version. looks like a fabric sac

smaller version, looks more like makeup on flesh

[lavish osprey]

@rain current try these recent sd3 outputs I made locally

(8b)

[fleet meteor]

Any idea if sd3 2b would admit inpainting? sdxl inpainting wasn´t that good (or maybe it was but not many custom models have it)

[lavish osprey]

not at release.

[faint breach]

sdxl inpainting is fine. it got better than when you last tested it. fooocus kicked it off i think

[vapid radish]

I prompted text in blue fire. that is not what I meant, but the text is in the blue fire, SD3 can take things very literally to sometimes funny results.

[lavish osprey]

sd inpainting api blows that out of the water. It even works on pixelart

https://platform.stability.ai/docs/api-reference#tag/Edit/paths/~1v2beta~1stable-image~1edit~1inpaint/post

sorry, not sd3. As I said sd3 inpainting doesn't exist yet

[wind talon]

sniff

[faint breach]

daww. lol. but yeah sdxl inpainting is good by now.

[verbal epoch]

Where would I could use SD3 when it's releases

[faint breach]

idealy there will be 100s of services tommorrow

[lavish osprey]

you'll be able to download it from HF or use it via API

[wind talon]

is sd inpaint a service?

[verbal epoch]

I dont like Comfy

[verbal epoch]

Okay

[lavish osprey]

yeah kinda killed

[verbal epoch]

Yeah but in which UI

[patent magnet]

Unfortunately you are right. Left: Ultra (API). Right: SDXL upscale (lost lots of details)

Any suggestions for a SD3 upscale workflow?

[lavish osprey]

ConfyUI already supports SD3

[rain current]

No, that wasn't the workflow... I already have dozens

[fleet meteor]

Maybe sd forge adds support (its comfy but using a1111 frontend)

[verbal epoch]

Mhh would love

[verbal epoch]

Yeah but dont really like it because it's to complex

[lavish osprey]

I think some images out of the CURRENT sd3 api are fine to refine with sdxl.
Once we are done with sd3 8b it will be like 2b. Basically too powerful on photos to be refined with xl.

[vapid radish]

Most upscalers do this, the one I like that I think works better is this one: https://civitai.com/models/363798/mjm-and-superbeastsai-beautifai-image-upscaler-and-enhancer
It is an ultimate SD upscale with a few bells and whistles to control contrast etc. but it actually adds details without just increasing the resolution and flattening things out like a lot of other workflows.

[lavish osprey]

we will provide examples workflows. You won't need to learn anything.

[wind talon]

so is sd 2b currently better than 8b at finedetails?

[lavish osprey]

I personally think it's better then the API version of sd3 on "amateur" photos

[wind talon]

you seem to really like photos

[lavish osprey]

I don't. I just find it's an impressive feat compared to current models

[verbal epoch]

Oh okay true

[wind talon]

oh okay

[faint breach]

i'm not so worried about preserving details when upscaling a generated image, but i would like the new details to be better than what was there before

great now i got this rap song, new details, stuck in my head. brain go brrr

[verbal epoch]

Any time eta?

[lavish osprey]

which is rare for a base model. A base model shouldn't need to compete with the previous gen of finetunes.

but this can on some level

so it's very cool

I think once we're done with 8b it will basically destroy most xl finetunes, even the ones dedicated to a single macro style on some benchmarks

[verbal epoch]

im in cest so 🤔🙏🤷‍♂️

[faint breach]

you're not testing against pony is you?

[lavish osprey]

despite the fact that training a model on a single style and not having to worry about typography or ruining other styles is much much harder

[fleet meteor]

I hope pony guy trains the v7 on sd3 🥺

[storm saffron]

He's around, waiting for the official license to see if he can.

[lavish osprey]

no, Pony is peculiar. Has a narrow TE with very limited vocabulary and very limited grammar understanding, plus is only 1 macro style.
Doesn't make sense to compare with that

[lavish osprey]

better than before, but still reduced details

also made it "too clean". But very good job

[faint breach]

they were here inquiring about the licensing around sd3 and why theyd need to consider some things before spending money. so they are considering stuff

[wind talon]

pixart pony with sd3 vae

[storm saffron]

You'd have to retrain pixart to do that

[wind talon]

yeah, pony fella can do it

[lavish osprey]

there is nothing in the license preventing finetunes. Why release the model openly in the first place?

[wind talon]

i think he was unsure about something in the license

[faint breach]

was saying someething about needing to recoup his costs somehow so he has his discord server

[storm saffron]

I dunno, I'm not him. I've read the fine print of the current Non-Com license, and as long as he doesn't start an online pony generation service he's fine right?

[lavish osprey]

fair enough, but don't you think SAI should "recoup cost" too? 😄

[faint breach]

thats the thing. he has a service lol.

[storm saffron]

But unless he's getting over $1m a year, he only needs to pay $20 a month (I think it's a month)

[faint breach]

yeah i think he just wanted details

[storm saffron]

Shall we play "Which model generated this?" 😄

[wind talon]

sd3

[fleet meteor]

Cascade

[faint breach]

cyberrealism

[wind talon]

...your pixart finetune?

[lavish osprey]

so here is the thing, we spent a almost a year training the model and doing research, on stuff like 80-160 nodes with multiple gpus each.
We sustain far more costs than anyone working on SD models on the planet. You might have read some news articles about it.

If you do finetunes for research and share them for free, or you share images, etc, fine. But if you want to make a profit with a finetune that costed a fraction of what costed us, I think it's only fair you give something to SAI.

Pony (or any other generative finetune in the last 3 years) wouldn't exist without SAI.

[faint breach]

sd15 refine

[storm saffron]

Bingo

[wind talon]

that's impressive! did you use an upscaler? it got the skin details pretty well!

[storm saffron]

Nope, straight outta pixart

[faint breach]

yeah i'm not saying any of it is bad or arguing nothing. i think stability droped a huge disruption bomb when releasing sd at great cost. i'm riding the waves is all. looking forward to this next surge.

all i was trying to convey is he was here earlier asking about stuff. weighing his options

[verbal epoch]

Will it releases at midnight? just after 11th

[wind talon]

with how well it got the details right for oilpaintings i guess it makes sense that would translate to skin with a bit of fine tuning

[lavish osprey]

(and consider that even models like pixart are using sai research and vae, and we don't see a penny from that, which is ok by the way)

[wind talon]

the beauty of opensource ❤️

[raven fern]

my guess is around noon EST

[lavish osprey]

yeah sure, but I don't find it cool when somebody say "if SAI asks for pennies I won't support them and just finetune on XL or whatever"

[faint breach]

i think open source needs money backing it. for sure. the FSF wouldn't exist if it was poor

[verbal epoch]

thx

[storm saffron]

Weren't DiTs invented by facebook research? or does it go back further

[cunning lintel]

So much focus on image details and SD3 doing it better. But in my experience, that wasn't even where SDXL was most lacking versus the competition. The big thing SDXL was always lacking was prompt understanding, and from what I've seen that's only partly gotten better; look and details of subjects can be described much better, but scenes/composition is still not all that for non everyday scense (shooting lasers at a target, a giant robot grabbing a skyscraper, teasing a cat out from under a bush, jumping trough a hoop), all things SD3 in its current state won't do. Will the 2b, or the later 8b, model be better at such more out-of-there scenes/compositions?

[lavish osprey]

not for image gen

dit was made for doc classification

[storm saffron]

https://www.wpeebles.com/DiT this research paper?

[remote holly]

Does sd3 will be released at 00:00 ?

[lavish osprey]

I can assure you sd3 has been in development since way before december 2023 lol

[faint breach]

honestly, if pony doesn't keep up and move to sd3, it'll fade like a fart in the wind. I'm sure he's weighing his options. The guy is spending money on training already, licensing will just be part of that new calculation.

[lavish osprey]

(everyone spends money on training by the way, not a big deal, when I was making my own XL finetunes I used to rent A100)

[noble coyote]

Prompt adherence: "Make perfect fingers and toes!"

2B - "No way!!!" 😄

[fleet meteor]

The thing is that ponyxl is like the model of the community, idk how to explain it

[lavish osprey]

oh well, my bad then

[jolly abyss]

Even if SD3 would cost me 100€ as a one time purchase for private use I would throw that money at SAI. A lot of people would do that imho.

[faint breach]

its a flash in a pan

[lavish osprey]

for what purpose? Finetuning or making revenue? I don't think finetuners should pay anything

[noble coyote]

PiXart-Sigma has superb visual acuity ...

[wind talon]

what is acuity?

[noble coyote]

... but too small a dataset

[faint breach]

i mean to get stability membership soon. i'm just in a period right now where i've cut all my memberships. i had to many an am consolidating for a while. $5 here and there adds up a lot

[lavish osprey]

it's a sdxl finetune with a very specific use case.

[noble coyote]

Visual acuity (VA) is a measure of how well the eye can distinguish shapes and details of objects at a certain distance. It's also known as the clarity or sharpness of vision.

[jolly abyss]

Just for private use and the fun of generating images and sharing them. 🤷

[faint breach]

my own vresion of not buying starbucks or gas station snacks

were i doing AI professionally, i'd no doubt have the membership. i'ts just smart.

[lavish osprey]

I mean if you want to make an offer from the kindness of your heart, just buy a membership for 5 months 😄

[noble coyote]

I shall feed SD3 images into my i2i PiXart-Sigma+SD15+SDXL+PAG+FaceDetailer setup ...

[wind talon]

ooh i see, thanks

[lavish osprey]

it is a tiny fraction of our cost, but it helps

[storm saffron]

Add SD3 into the middle of it as well... might as well

[lavish osprey]

or just use sd3 😄

[noble coyote]

... or even feed i2i PiXart-Sigma images into my hypothesized i2i-SD3 setup!

[remote holly]

Someone tryed to generate liminal spaces with sd3 ?

[lavish osprey]

I mean, if the base model looks like this, imagine the finetunes. Have you used base xl lately? Compare it to even turbo finetunes.

[wind talon]

this one would be interesting to see

[storm saffron]

I dunno why you would. Unless pixart has something SD3 doesn't

[faint breach]

make sure to feed it back into llama then embed that into t5 and run it back through sd3 again

[lavish osprey]

remember when turbo was supposed to be 512x512

lol

[raven fern]

the only thing i remember from base sdxl is: bokeh 🙂

[noble coyote]

PiXart is remarkably clear

[fleet meteor]

Yeah that´s true, if you compare sd 1.5 and xl base and top finetunes its like day and night

[faint breach]

it's scientologist?

[storm saffron]

Have you not seen the pics that lykon's been posting, they're not exactly lacking clarity

[lavish osprey]

https://civitai.com/models/324815/better-blur-control-less-depth-of-field-xl-lora

[noble coyote]

Mobius and PiXart both do great bokeh

[lavish osprey]

I think he was joking about the fact that xl ALWAYS does bokeh

which, it's true, was an issue of the model

but that's the thing: it's a base model

just finetune

[noble coyote]

OK

[wind talon]

haven't tried sd3 yet so can't say how it compares but pixart images have incredible charm. it does expressions really well

that and scenery, i love pixart for scenery and landscapes

[raven fern]

that moment when you scroll down and look at the community generated pics 🙂

[storm saffron]

Actually yeah, it can over-exaggerate them sometimes, just ask it to do someone sticking out their tongue.

[fleet meteor]

Its not just xl, I´ve seen MANY mj v6 images and in most of them there´s that bokeh effect

[lavish osprey]

my X feed is full of sd3 2b and 8b outputs

https://x.com/Lykon4072

[faint breach]

i think pixart was made on a dataset 1/10th the size, so it'll have a more narrow dataset and vibe to it. They'd have used an aesthetic classifier to currate the dataset no doubt too. That classifier is going to be the fulcrum of that vibe/charm/style/feel

[noble coyote]

So its an UnBlur LoRA? Eau keigh

[storm saffron]

pixart is 600M

[faint breach]

parameter count. i mean dataset size

[remote holly]

600M ?

[storm saffron]

600 of your actual Ms

[wind talon]

million

[faint breach]

emineminemineminemineminemineminemineminemineminemineminemineminemineminemineminemineminemineminemineminemineminemineminem

[hollow ether]

I think focus sdxl inpainting is pretty much perfect.

[wind talon]

they just used llava tagging for their dataset as far as im aware

[storm saffron]

It doesn't do tooo bad for being 600M

[remote holly]

Yess

[jolly abyss]

You have a point there . I might consider doing that as support. But yeah, I think the word "subscription" is a hurdle because nowadays everything has become a subscription. If you just would have a "buy me a coffee" button somewhere...that would be a different feeling.

[faint breach]

not just tagging, but sizing it down and selecting which images make it in

[storm saffron]

They used ShareGPTv (which is a llava finetune like CogVLM)

[lavish osprey]

some of my favourite SD3 gens I can share:
https://x.com/Lykon4072/status/1792606426860327244/photo/1
https://x.com/Lykon4072/status/1788322004224868523/photo/1
https://x.com/Lykon4072/status/1781447406422224957/photo/4
https://x.com/Lykon4072/status/1780263281929650509/photo/1
https://x.com/Lykon4072/status/1779526226387914899/photo/1
https://x.com/Lykon4072/status/1796317998036238380/photo/2
https://x.com/Lykon4072/status/1794065895045665266/photo/1
https://x.com/Lykon4072/status/1779982206384898439/photo/1
https://x.com/Lykon4072/status/1796317998036238380/photo/1

[dull star]

I don't know if it was this one, but it made all my images too bright

[remote holly]

When a model is tiny and have good results is because the training dataset is good ?

[lavish osprey]

I tested it on dreamshaper and it looked very clean.

[wind talon]

i think for pixart it has more to do with it's architecture probably

[storm saffron]

It's more about the captioning of the dataset than anything else. I found especially when finetuning it.

[lavish osprey]

sd1.5 is ~800m and some finetunes are pretty amazing.

there is a certain finetune called DreamShaper8 or something that I heard can do multiple styles.

[raven fern]

never heard of it

:3

[lavish osprey]

by some guy called Locon?

[storm saffron]

And DiT don't act like UNets for comparison purposes they act larger than their size?

[lavish osprey]

who I believe might be Spanish?

[faint breach]

pixart sigma paper says it was trained on 120k images only. even less then pixart alpha! wild

[raven fern]

idk, i only know Lykon 🙂

[faint breach]

must be a distilled pixart alpha model, which was 200million images iirc

[storm saffron]

That was for their research paper, the actual released model is 600M

[remote holly]

Maybe pixart-zeta one day ?

[lavish osprey]

impossible to not overfit on such a small nummber unless your weights have some init value taken from a larger pretraining.

[fleet meteor]

I wonder how would be if they train a model using only 1 kind of subject, like only photography, or only cartoon/ oil painting,etc

[lavish osprey]

I guarantee you can't do pretraining on 120k images lol

[storm saffron]

only will smith eating spaghetti

[fleet meteor]

🤣

[faint breach]

why would the paper say they trained pixart sigma on 120k if the actual released model was 600m images?

[noble coyote]

They're using more exact clip captioning data than usual for PiXart-Sigma

[wind talon]

i believe pixart sigma was a continued pretraining of pixart alpha

[storm saffron]

Becuase it's research!

[faint breach]

thats not how these reports work though lol.

[wind talon]

dreamshaper-v7, hmmm

[raven fern]

80GB vram, the dream 😮

[sullen moss]

@lavish osprey And what is your personal vision for the development of generative models in the next 3-5 years? I'm very interested to hear your opinion.

[fleet meteor]

Maybe in 20 years it would be the average vram 🥺

[lavish osprey]

if it's just a finetune or a distillation, like DreamShaper 7 LCM, then yes, 120k images do work

[wind talon]

that's the parameter size

[lavish osprey]

for pretraining (aka "training from scratch") you can't use only 120k. It will overfit

[raven fern]

🧓

[noble coyote]

We'll all have 100Gb VRAM

[storm saffron]

Yes, which is releated to how many pictures it was trained on

[faint breach]

thats parameter count. told you that earlier. it's not the dataset size

[faint breach]

its not. it's the number of neurons a model has

[wind talon]

no

[noble coyote]

And our children will be called Nvidiana, Pricess of Wales

[raven fern]

lol

[lavish osprey]

I'm just a dog plush with a hoodie, how would I know? I can barely type on a keybord. You stupid humans and your wurstel fingers.

https://tenor.com/view/finger-sausage-doigts-saucisses-fingers-sausages-main-saucisse-finger-food-gif-27441110

[storm saffron]

So... SDXL wasn't trained on 2.6B pictures with a 2.6B parameter count?

[rain current]

So much VRAM overwhelms me

[faint breach]

suddenly self concious of my hands. maybe stable diffusion has them right

[raven fern]

https://tenor.com/view/nice-gif-25362459

[lavish osprey]

that's a real dog. And it's also naked, ew.

[faint breach]

it was trained on a set of laion 5b, the english subset

[raven fern]

haha

[faint breach]

roughly 2b images

[faint breach]

he's wearing a fur coat, which is problematic in itself

[fleet meteor]

Idk why stability had an opt out program for artists, mj and dalle are closed source and they don´t even care 🤔

Its like they only want to hurt open soure, the same happened with photoshop

[lavish osprey]

because we are decent human beings I suppose

well, not me, I'm a plushie

which is an upgrade

[faint breach]

MJ no doubt are ready to settle behind doors or license image sets . a court could invoke discovery and demand the dataset be examined

[fleet meteor]

I know but the same people that said "AI will take our jobs" when sd 1.5 came out are using AI on photoshop now

[lavish osprey]

and they'll likely give them LAIOS and pretend they used that. Then you go and prompt disney .com and you get a screencap from a disney movie.

[raven fern]

AI took my girlfriend

[lavish osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/turk-took-our-jobs-jerbs-gif-10165889

[vapid radish]

AI is my girlfriend /s

[fleet meteor]

Imo all cases of copyright using AI should be dissmissed, its not like artists don´t steal ideas themselves

[faint breach]

yeah there's no doubt shenanigans afoot. i'm betting they'll have some licensed sets and be like "we just used this bruh"

[fleet meteor]

but im not a lawyer so...he

[rain current]

Well, have you published it yet or not? 🤣

[noble coyote]

If AI takes your job - it's only because you don't know enough - or care enough about AI - to be able to keep your job!!!

[wind talon]

they are such a tease

[lavish osprey]

then you'd have expert vs expert in a court, proving you can get that screen randomly or not.

[craggy ridge]

I can't believe the day will finally be here, and it took only two more weeks, excited

[raven fern]

🎉

[lavish osprey]

and finally MJ can always say something like "we admit we started from sd weights, so it's their fault"

[noble coyote]

mklink /D "SD3" "$D3"

[faint breach]

i don't think copyright needs to die. i think there's a big need for it when we have such a transactional world culture. what i would like is to see fair use expanded though

[storm saffron]

That must be why pixart seems to pick up finetuning so easily then. 😐

Lots of empty "space" in the neurons

[lavish osprey]

we actually have ||on a private repo||

[faint breach]

in a month MJ will release a new DiT model

[wind talon]

yup, i believe pixart was trained on just 25m images, you could fit alot more in there

[lavish osprey]

"just a coincidence"

[faint breach]

we used huyandit! /doesnt even understand chinese prompts

[noble coyote]

OK, since all y'all have been reticent: "When is SD4 coming out?!" 😄

[craggy ridge]

In two weeks

[faint breach]

SD4 confirmed. Stability promised

[fleet meteor]

tbh no artist can say a thing against AI, i mean they call a banana sticked on the wall "art"

[noble coyote]

In Two Weeks ™

[wind talon]

will sd4 have control net?

[lavish osprey]

we have people working in Japan, we'll skip 4.

[fleet meteor]

maybe sd5

[lavish osprey]

SD5 directly

[noble coyote]

SD4 will have Ru Paul's Dragnet

[raven fern]

stable cascade 2 confirmed 😮

[lavish osprey]

or SD3 XXL

or SD3 XXS

[storm saffron]

32B parameter model when?

[lavish osprey]

or SD3.9

[lavish osprey]

when GPUs are free

[storm saffron]

Run it in 2bit... It'll be fine.

[jolly swan]

@lavish osprey I've been trying to avoid any drama but I really do not understand your antagonistic perception of Pony (and some comments you left about it in the past are just hurtful)

Doesn't make sense to compare with that
Perhaps you should, it's a more popular model (downloads/gens) than SDXL on Civit. Worth doing some comparisons. I may remind you that on the day of SD3 announcement the top of r/stablediffusion was a Pony meme, so community clearly is interested and would like some comparisons.

fair enough, but don't you think SAI should "recoup cost" too? 😄
I think SAI absolutely should recoup costs. But I also would appreciate if it provides any guidelines on commercial licensing in advance as currently I have no idea if SAI membership applies, if something new is up or if it's forever non commercial.

If you do finetunes for research and share them for free, or you share images, etc, fine. But if you want to make a profit with a finetune that costed a fraction of what costed us, I think it's only fair you give something to SAI.
I have been sharing my finetunes for free since the release of 1.4 and running a free service to let people generate images. As a matter of fact I am at least 100k down in costs of hardware and cloud compute. All the commercial stuff I've done so far has been specifically to control how much money I burn and to help with more model training. None of this is about profit, I just want clear guidelines ahead of release.

Pony (or any other generative finetune in the last 3 years) wouldn't exist without SAI.
And SAI would not exist without it's community. So it makes sense to at least maintain some level of communications with it.

yeah sure, but I don't find it cool when somebody say "if SAI asks for pennies I won't support them and just finetune on XL or whatever"
I will "just finetune SDXL" if you do not provide clear expectations on license. I would rather run around screaming how amazing SD3 is and how much I like working on it. You are also breaking the expectations by potentially diverging from previous Membership approach (or maybe no? Who knows, clearly I don't).

[raven fern]

holy text batman

[rain current]

The Cascade team left Stability, right?

[lavish osprey]

I mean, you still have to train at full size, the best you can do is quantization-aware training.

but you still need the vram for 32b params full

[noble coyote]

Oh my!!! Someone's just loaded SD3 chat into an LLM!!!

[raven fern]

tldr version when

[noble coyote]

Cask Aid were down to Craft Beer

[raven fern]

im gonna ask llama 3 to sum that up in one sentence

[jolly swan]

Time will tell but I am sure XL is good for at least one more release. But it would be interesting to train same dataset on XL and then 2b.

[wind talon]

i hope the day ponydiffusion moves to either sd3 or pixart it will use natural language for prompting

[raven fern]

nice

[jolly swan]

But it already does, lol.

But yes, V7 captions are a completly different game.

[raven fern]

it's the evolution of wailord 🙂

[storm saffron]

Some people (me included) just don't like the premise Pony was built upon and it has literally taken over despite it being being a one-trick... pony. 😄

[noble coyote]

Oh! Princess of Whales?!?!?! Tee hee!!! 🥳

[wind talon]

oh that's nice

[jolly abyss]

🤣 just did it with copilot

[jolly swan]

What is the premise, may I ask you?

[raven fern]

kek

[storm saffron]

No. You may not. I'm not getting into an argument about it.

[civic egret]

Oh nice! I look forward to seeing what you come up with.

[lavish osprey]

Perhaps you should
We did some tests. Pony failed to understand things like "a bank" or similar simple concepts, so we understood that it likely has a different scope compared to what our base models are for. Which is perfectly fine, to be clear. It's just that base models have a different scope and purpose.

But I also would appreciate if it provides any guidelines on commercial licensing in advance as currently I have no idea if SAI membership applies, if something new is up or if it's forever non commercial.
I'll rely this to the team handling the membership

None of this is about profit
I personally think that if you make no profit you shouldn't pay or pay much, which applies to the current membership tiers (even enterprises pay 20$)

I will "just finetune SDXL"
I don't get the quotes. I also "just finetune SDXL", or did. It's not supposed to be offensive or to belittle

[wind talon]

pixart

[jolly swan]

I am genuinely interested in how the model is perceived, because there is a huge difference in the original idea and how the model is used now.

[rain current]

A Netflix series will come out of this

[wind talon]

dog vs horse

[noble coyote]

I just asked Llama 2B Q4 "At what time exactly will SD3 be released?" It answered "I apologize, but I don't have access to the exact release time of SD3 as it is not publicly announced yet. The release date and time of SD3 are subject to change and will be announced by the developers at a later time.
Please follow the official Discord server and social media accounts of the game developers to receive updates and announcements regarding the release of SD3. They will provide the most accurate and up-to-date information on the game's release date and time."

[dull star]

I love dogs

[lavish osprey]

people are free to do even finetunes on memes and meme formats. Doesn't mean a base model should compare to that, even if they're super good at making memes.

[silver sluice]

i just spent a whole bunch of credits on leonardo trying to get that image using a simple prompt and then im like okay sure but how about wiht a complex prompt and i can't even get anywhere close to that

[dull star]

I already trained an embedding on SDXL for it today

lmao

[lavish osprey]

I heard @karmic silo is making one

[lavish osprey]

see?

😄

[noble coyote]

SD3 is a game according to Llama 2B Q4

[dull star]

lmao

[lavish osprey]

overfit on KH3? 😄

[fleet meteor]

Yeah I tried it in many AIs and its hard af to do, here´s another one that worked fine xd

[storm saffron]

OK, I see it as a purely porn model, which is all anyone seems to use it for, it's awful at understanding simple prompts, I have a reaction every time I see the "Pony Woman" of which there seems to be only one, and she attempts to appear in literally everything, you can't do an image without either her or a pony popping up. The tagging system of score_etc, is just odd, why do they even need to exist, also, "porn" model, used in some hideously awful ways.

[silver sluice]

lol i dont know i don't think that qualifies as good

[wind talon]

what's wrong with it being a porn model?

[lavish osprey]

sameface is an issue common with models trained on anime (I wonder why)

[storm saffron]

Yes. That's what's wrong with it.

[fleet meteor]

Nah its not that good but it was goofy and somewhat decent

[raven fern]

sameface is a new batman antagonist 🙂

[silver sluice]

how's tihs?

[civic egret]

I think a lot of that has to do with upscale settings, as you suggested. With a detail lora, I've found to finally get back the detail that was previously missing.

[dull star]

this is why I'm happy that you helped with training SD3, so we get good quality by default, but no samefaces 24/7 across seeds

[simple thistle]

I understand why people like the pony model but it's not a very intelligent checkpoint

[lavish osprey]

anyway guys, please keep the discussion civil and on a peaceful tone.

[civic egret]

This, so much.

[noble coyote]

FaceDetailer does sameface!!! 😦

[fleet meteor]

Its not technically a porn model, its a model and some of the images in the dataset...were porn

[storm saffron]

It's 99% of what it's used for.

[raven fern]

im personally not into the pony stuff :3

[dull star]

omg its comfy!!!

[silver sluice]

id qualify it as a porn model if 80% of anything you type regardless of what it is, includes a woman in it lol

[rain current]

Well, maybe a more child-friendly one 😅

[storm saffron]

I wasn't going to reply, but he did ask.

[dull star]

ideogram?

[lavish osprey]

puts the reddit hat on

But I can use 47 loras, controlnet, inpainting and regional prompting and it will do the same things SD3 does

removes the reddit hat

[fleet meteor]

99% of civitai is used for porn if you use that argument

[civic egret]

That's a denoise and prompting issue if anything. Wildcards are perfect for it.

[wind talon]

sd3 when i ask it to make boob

[jolly swan]

I don't get the quotes. I also "just finetune SDXL", or did. It's not supposed to be offensive or to belittle
your original quote was aimed at me (I assume), so my point is simple - it makes more sense to keep finetuning XL if there is no clarity on SD3. If you "don't find it cool" it's because you are not considering constraints in which community finetunes operate (which is weird as you have the same background).

I personally think that if you make no profit you shouldn't pay or pay much, which applies to the current membership tiers (even enterprises pay 20$)
Then we totally agree! I just hope the business folks at SAI agree with us.

[storm saffron]

It is, which is why I use the filters.

[lavish osprey]

why is it not a dog plushie or an anime girl with fennec ears on the right?

[lavish osprey]

no, I was talking about me (or in general? Definitely not about you 😉 )

[jolly swan]

Can you please define "intelligent checkpoint"?

[noble coyote]

Someone please develop a node for ComfyUI which deals with all the "Failed to Import" node conflicts?! I would pay good money for that! 🙂

[rain current]

I'm sorry!!!

[storm saffron]

Strange as it may seem, some people don't like porn, people who are Ace or Demi... for instance.

[low stone]

The "Failed to Import" errors means that I'm an accomplished comfy user. It's a badge of honor.

[simple thistle]

I have a series of basic prompts that test for how smart a model is, a model that takes everything in your prompt and incorporates it properly in an image is smart

a model that ignores part of the prompt is less smart

[lavish osprey]

stupid checkpoint (left) intelligent checkpoint (right)

[wind talon]

i wonder which one is sd3

[lavish osprey]

the one with the Microsoft logo

[simple thistle]

I understand that people love models that give them pretty images over actually listening the prompts

but that's not how I evaluate them

[noble coyote]

The Holy Grail of Generative AI is prompt coherence! Is Harrison Ford available?

[dull star]

I am completely the opposite 🙏 I loved SD2 over SD1.5 even if it was only a little bit smarter

[storm saffron]

I just don't like Pony and I'm believe I am actually allowed to not like something if it's not my preference?

[raven fern]

one man's garbage is another man's gold, or something like that right? :3

[sick cedar]

@jolly swan I don't think they mean any harm m8. Things between people can stray out of context too. We all know out of everyone in the community, you have made one of the larger contributions to it. I think most people will agree with me that it can't be denyed.

[craggy ridge]

It probably has been asked countess times but is there set time for tomorrow's release?

[simple thistle]

if I write that I want a specific object in the background for example and it's completely absent in all images that's a fail

[rain current]

two weeks

[civic egret]

Do you know if it can understand numbers? My dad is an artist and wants to know. Like, if you want 8 of something, or 5 of something else, etc.

[sick cedar]

((But licensing does need to be made crystal clear, to make sure people are put at ease.))

[jolly swan]

I see, I guess you wouldn't believe me if I say that It's a full creativity (aka lightly censored) model that was build for cool pony pictures. 🙂

you can't do an image without either her or a pony popping up
are you using style_* tags, they exist specifically to separate parts of model you don't like.

it's awful at understanding simple prompts
do you have any exmaples? It should be pretty ok at that but it has indeed narrow scope (and no help form XL as it has been largely erased)

The tagging system of score_etc, is just odd, why do they even need to exist
I still think it's a great alternative to "hd, masterpiece, best of X"

"porn" model, used in some hideously awful ways
I wish SAI worked with me to better understand how models can be edited/censored, but so far they ignored my plea for help.

[raven fern]

it may or not come out around noon EST 🙂

[lavish osprey]

which is understandable if you consider that Pony was trained on booru scraping (or at least wd tagging or similar). @jolly swan maybe will correct this but I think it's accurate enough for the sake of this argument.
You reduce the vocabulary, you remove the grammar, everything is narrowed so "pretty pictures" are easier to make. You also remove ALL styles except one, which gives lots of consistency and makes anatomy easier.

Basically you take 40 shortcuts and focus on making pretty images, but you demolish everything else.

[fleet meteor]

Its not like its easy or not costly to finetune this models using like 300k pics

[lavish osprey]

Also style tags are pretty stupid in my opinion. But that's just my opinion.
I really can't stand that 90% of prompts of civitai have the same 5 words at the beginning.

[noble coyote]

17.00 London UK time

[dull star]

hmmm

[storm saffron]

I understand that, but it's morphed into a porn monster. Those 'hd, masterpiece, etc' tags are also horribly unecessary

[noble coyote]

But 17.00 London UK time means that all at the SAI Office will have gone home

[wide pagoda]

also true of SD in general tbh

[bitter hearth]

Astra! I spent a bunch of time in prompting help, people really do only see models in a single way, they don't want to be creative themselves

[noble coyote]

I'm sure they'll release earlier, and then spend the rest of the day watching the reaction!

[bitter hearth]

Pony is very fun, tho I don't use it for ponies haha

[wind talon]

natural language prompting will solve all of these do not worry everybody

[lavish osprey]

I wish SAI worked with me to better understand how models can be edited/censored, but so far they ignored my plea for help.
is there a censored version of pony? I tried using rating_safe and didn't work at all.

[raven fern]

insert x-files theme

[low stone]

I made this with sd 1.5 using the Shape_Puzzle_Mecha lora.

[dull star]

isn't SD3 only censored as much as SDXL?

it can do gore and guns and etc

it cannot possibly be SD2.0 level of censorship

[rain current]

Since I'm not interested in porn, nor do I want models to generate compromising images that could lead to future laws banning the use of AI... I'll be one of the few

[raven fern]

what kind of lora is that? 😮

[noble coyote]

SD3 at ClipDrop will not accept 'sensual'

[lavish osprey]

'hd, masterpiece, etc' are not really the issue. score_9,score_8_up,score_7_up,score_6_up,score_5_up,score_4_up in every single image are the issue.

[lavish osprey]

cute.

[dull star]

but think of the big boob anime women!!!!!!