🍥｜anime

[bitter latch]

shh she's sleeping

but not for long. hhaha

[subtle basin]

draw Kisse Ryota from the anime Kuroko's Basketball he should have blond hair he should be 187 cm tall and on the back of his jacket he has BLESSSED written and he goes out onto the field standing with his back to the viewers also he should be drawn in the style of the anime Kuroko's Basketball

[bitter latch]

no bot here

[subtle basin]

Where imagine bot?

[bitter latch]

shrugs

[rough oxide]

if u want specific lesser-known chars like that novelai's ur best bet for now. (or a pony-based model with lora if local gen). pretty sure this disc only has bots when testing something new and rarely can they actually do anime-related things

[bitter latch]

now thats a big donut

[untold glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-made-creator-stolen-gif-20229431

[wispy canopy]

got like 12 more months of prompts to try 😄

[untold glacier]

What're you working with?

[wispy canopy]

flux, of course ^^

[untold glacier]

Ah yes. It's pretty sweet, even the ggufs, which are the only way I can run it locally

[wispy canopy]

t5 fp16, gguf q8 on the model itself

that gets you nearly full quality.

[untold glacier]

Yeah. I gotta go 5_1 to fit it on my 3080. Even then it's slow, especially when using LoRAs.

I tell myself that I'm just waiting until the 5000 series cards come out next year to upgrade, but the other part of me knows that I still won't have the money then for it anyway.

[wispy canopy]

so glad i upgraded to 3090 for LLM. with gaming and now flux, it's been a godsend.

[untold glacier]

That sounds so nice

LoRAs can work so well with Flux though. The amount of cohesion you still have is amazing

[wispy canopy]

haven't used a single one, as ever.

defautl flux not the best at anime tho

[untold glacier]

Well until we get finetunes that can do Fantasy art, I'll be using LoRAs all the day long with flux. You can inject noise and split the CLIP and T5 as much as you want, but you'll still be limited by the particular 3d-ish shiny face problem that it has.

[wispy canopy]

yup

[untold glacier]

I think the biggest thing here is length and focus of prompt.

I get an LM to interpret and fill out my prompt many times, which brings it the extra length needed for some gens.

[wispy canopy]

nah, pretty sure it's just undercooked on anime

[untold glacier]

Lol? You ever try prompting for a japanese person in a photo? it turns them anime by default

[wispy canopy]

try it like (anime:0.3) or 0.4, and it shoudl be decent.

[wispy canopy]

?

[untold glacier]

Weighting doesn't work with T5s by default though, right?

[wispy canopy]

it's clip + t5

it'll work

[untold glacier]

Big eyes. Big anime influence in that one

[wispy canopy]

because i kinda prompted for it.

but 100% as intended

[untold glacier]

[wispy canopy]

but still, very uncontrollable on anime

the goblins is also with a very low weighting on anime -. else it'll just make a 100% flat color cartoon of it

time to go to bed tho. 00:15 here

[untold glacier]

Goodnight! Good talking with ya again

[wispy canopy]

have some nice exit images ❤️ (all 100% txt2img flux)

[untold glacier]

[nova remnant]

yumishiro

[green temple]

"yo spongebob, what`s good "

[bitter latch]

thomas the fat boy

haha

toot toot

[green temple]

why is he shy ?

[bitter latch]

shrugs. looks more drunk to me

I did not prompt that

[green temple]

oh

[steady grail]

guys, today i scammed scammers of 17 $ lol

i don't know if i should feel good, or bad lol

[bitter latch]

ahh I see apell correct changed to yamashiro

tries an experiment

now thats a confusing image

accidental : the girl who fell thru time?

wow...

[bitter latch]

sigh I gotta sleep but my inner muse wants me to keep going! dangit

last one, temple of Miku?

ok this ones giving me nitemares.. dangit

closes forge and tries to goto bed. nite... thud

[brittle rampart]

he reminded me of Dr. Manhattan from Watchmen

[vestal crypt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1082878933059502102/1277652990265917481/00272-2917789153.png?ex=66ce9b52&is=66cd49d2&hm=0f8f68ec3b4dd4dbdb6d86801e1f4339208f889659b19f64a8096a6337b4297c&

[bitter latch]

so @wooden coral what ya think of the ones I posted this morning?

[wooden coral]

Not bad, but I like mine more

[bitter latch]

ooh I like this one

[wooden coral]

Are you taking my prompts

[bitter latch]

nope, just inspiration

[wooden coral]

Im sure this will inspire you well

[bitter latch]

was already working on this one

[wooden coral]

Dont wanna be that guy but flux wins

[wooden coral]

[bitter latch]

ah ha!

hmm just realized had on clipskip 3

takes it down 1 notch to 2

thats better

[wooden coral]

[bitter latch]

turns off vae

[bitter latch]

nice

hmmmms

😄

[wooden coral]

Hand is wonky

[green temple]

what about mine

[nova remnant]

Smol

[green temple]

[mortal wave]

So I've created my first lora, I never did it because I don't like the whole process but I really wanted an specific style and I think It worked, I did just 15 images and I didn't even fixed the captions

[nova remnant]

@green temple she might be crazy

👍

[green temple]

noooo she will eat me

[nova remnant]

Good

I'll steal all your smols after

[green temple]

no good

[keen hollow]

ahoy - what's cookin'?

[vital raptor]

🤷‍♂️

[keen hollow]

cheese dip?

[nova remnant]

Smol cook

[stable crane]

j.k. artist?

[nova remnant]

No, it's one of the weirdest vibe transfer you wouldn't imagine

[stable crane]

lol

the eyes really remind me of j.k.

[nova remnant]

Big eyes

@green temple look

[lyric zealot]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1223542969387450400/1223542969903218698/1711778594908.gif

[nova remnant]

@green temple sooma with tomatoes tonight

[green temple]

what tomatoes ?

[nova remnant]

[nova remnant]

Big tomato

[wooden coral]

Im more into the grown up kinda girls

[gloomy scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-steal-stealing-yoink-seeya-gif-10550534

[wooden coral]

Feel free lol, FLUX is awesome

[gloomy scroll]

I'm still using NAIv3

[wooden coral]

We fluxin now, everything else died

[nova remnant]

[bitter latch]

closer

hmmms

[slate narwhal]

Prompt: "Playing a crystal piano and each note when played explodes into magic etc"

[steady grail]

yehii, i just fixed inface on krita

[indigo oasis]

this is sick

[bitter latch]

`

[wooden coral]

Thanks!

[unkempt cape]

can i ask what model is this

[gloomy scroll]

Novel AI v3

[unkempt cape]

☠

[zinc flax]

If it looks good but a bit blurry then it's probably nai v3 lol

[unkempt cape]

getting somwhere

[nova remnant]

Getting Booba

[steady grail]

i like experimenting with comfy

bg and chara are genned separately and than merged, without using controlnet

the con is that i need a abtch of 3 to do it 😦

[steady grail]

cute style, that's pony? or flow?

[bitter latch]

mine? nah just regular old 1.5

[steady grail]

wow

i like the colors and how it gens small feys lol

reminds me of an old cartoon

[bitter latch]

I just put sitting on stump and it does this. haha

[steady grail]

what model is that?

[bitter latch]

merge of cutelunar and cyberrealistic2.5D

[steady grail]

to do mine i had first t gen this

i wonder how good i'm in merging with comfy

[barren grove]

nice

[bitter latch]

hmm Keebler elf?

added art style of keebler elves

hmm when I dont put what gender it kinda gives in between?

there we go

ok enough elves.. for now 😄

[supple raptor]

eh, nai can look crisp, but usually requires upscaling to achieve and i've only got 3k anals left so i just use the free gens instead

[supple raptor]

[jagged axle]

Very very beautiful picture anime I like it 💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖

[green temple]

thx

[nova remnant]

Yes

Big

[green temple]

[nova remnant]

Grabby

[green temple]

[nova remnant]

Booba

[unkempt cape]

squint enough and this looks decent

[unkempt cape]

neta guys and euge goat frrrrr

[fluid torrent]

Just a vague idea for anime series around a spiritual tree, which is the secret main character of the backbone of the story. Other characters with their stories can then flow in and out, through the focus on the tree - sometimes giving shelter and protection, other times maybe like poison and punishment. One rule, every scene needs this tree in it.

key element for prompting is "beneath a tree" - can be the original park setting, but since time- and even universe jumping in the story is allowed, anything goes

maybe also keep the "gorgeous 2d anime style"

A deep hollow voice echoes like a rumble, but with a friendly tone: "Hey little girl, are you alright? I'm death but I'm not looking for you. Did you perhaps see an old lady in the woods? She must live nearby here somewhere, but I must admit to be somewhat lost here. You don't seem scared. Hm. strange."

*The old witch had cast her hiding spell, and is now bound in a twin dimensions through the folder roots of the tree. She can see, but don't touch. It'ls like ghostly timetravel, but another place instead another time. She peek at what is happe ... * "Miaauw!" goes the white cat who was observing her quietly for a while.

"Hm, sure she was her, felt it, seen it and smelled it!" streams the abstract thoughts of the cat while inspecting the very place there once was that old lady. Cats are true interdimensional being, and can sense or sometimes see the other side if there is a strong connection

[fluid torrent]

Meanwhile in another place, another time, another universe, a blue box appears out of nowhere. A wolf like dog walking the park on it's own is the only one to notice.

-=Last sub stream beginning of a story arc.=- Far away in the future - still somewhat imaginable - all times, places and dimensions collapsed into a perfect singularity. Since everything became perfect, nothing should ever change. The situation was in a crystal tight balance, for at least over a trillion years but could easily have been towards the total possible variations of planck particles across all universes. A long time of everlasting peace, like a moment frozen in time. It could very well have been an instant, only a flash of time. So naturally, after an unimaginably large amount of times^times a small perturbation happened .. .. ..

[nova remnant]

Put a nurse outfit on her

I'll be the patient

I'm big sick

[nova remnant]

[fluid torrent]

wait, ill go for some green gloves

[nova remnant]

[fluid torrent]

nurse just loves working in the garden! She's so happy!

"hm, you feel vaguely virtual"

[nova remnant]

What are those things behind her

[fluid torrent]

maybe the part of the prompt: "lens glare and some green plants, fractal like background, dense image, strict" and the fractal lora

[vital raptor]

lens flare might work better than lens glare

[vital raptor]

after collecting eggs from the monster chickens..

[unkempt cape]

insert bobah joke

[bitter latch]

hmm ok not sure where the little monstes came from

isometric simple room, gets some interesting results

then again so does clipskip 3

sigh I should really be in bed

ok.. to bed

haha , ok to bed for real.. I think ....

[vagrant sierra]

[unkempt cape]

hmm where 1 of my pics go

[nova remnant]

to jail

[steady grail]

in prison school lol

[nova remnant]

( I am just guessing, but probably )

[indigo oasis]

Lucy 🤩

[indigo oasis]

Whatever model you have has a really good understanding of different characters

[unkempt cape]

yk what thats probably true

[steady grail]

merging clip is hard <.<

it always mess stuff badly <.<

[oak spoke]

[supple raptor]

Those are from Kohaku-xl-zeta with a style LoRA I'm working on.

[indigo oasis]

very nice

I still need to try more models

[indigo oasis]

Ivy League student vibes

[nova remnant]

thick

[green temple]

[nova remnant]

[nova remnant]

@green temple

Smol

[nova remnant]

proliferating

[bitter latch]

odd way to store a sword but ok...

I just love the randomness at times... hha

[near elbow]

pixel art anime

[terse ore]

What pony models everyone using these days?

[bitter latch]

hmm pinkie pie but she doesn't shut up. the princess is to busy so I don't know anymore

cackles

[green temple]

klee ?

[bitter latch]

hmm? I didn't prompt for any character like that tho I was using the dangen ext and the cuteanime lora on the keyword prompt ext.. shrugs

makes things more interesting

[green temple]

oh nice

[bitter latch]

puts chibi klee at beginning of prompt and takes out chibi girl

hmm odd

blinks. oooh umm can't share the next one.. nope

no thi sis better. except for that hand.. wtf

oops. ok need to turn off some of those ext.. getting anime instead of klingon haha

hmm that didn't help

ok last one of that series.. hmm whats next 😄

[green temple]

what`s the clothing prompt ?

[bitter latch]

wearing fancy chinese winter robes with sandals

peekaboo!

[vital raptor]

I still use autismmix_confetti

Does the best for what I want and haven’t seen anything worth testing yet

[terse ore]

Ohh I see. I have been using it as well but wanted to try some other variations in style

[gleaming flame]

some of leo anime xl experiments

[green temple]

the animal ears one 🥹

[bitter latch]

ok switched over to new forge. gonna take some getting used to

haha

[bitter latch]

wow

[bitter latch]

not sure I like seperation of sampling and schedule type the way they now have it

but guess I'll get used to it

thats alot of cookies

tries 2048 x2048 for giggles.. waits for blue screen

hmm thats not going to work

same prompt, using IPNDM samplre and schedule type Polyexponential. interesting

odd

she's got backup!

huh.. ok why am I getting better results all of a sudden

haha

fancy clothes washing room

hmm interesting, used IC-Light (Relighting with Foreground Condition)

hmm odd

[bitter latch]

sure is slow in here

hmm not exactly what I prompted

huh?

[bitter latch]

not sure what IPNDM stand for but I love the results

Miku Vader

wow

[green temple]

daaamn !

[bitter latch]

not even the prompt hmmm? wtf

ok it doesn't know what a wookie is

"Special Action Response Service"? SARS

haha

why is there a balloon?

there we go

haha "Scanvyhe GITS"

Star trek villian?

ooooh

oooh

ponders bed

"you dare?"

[wooden coral]

Flux without Lora or anything

[bitter latch]

haha

well he's ON the pillow

doh!

[zinc flax]

Clean stuff

[bitter latch]

that is alot of image data wow

[wooden coral]

Thats my comfy workflow

[bitter latch]

makes a few changes

[bitter latch]

I really should be in a bed but no work today so. meh

there we go

changes model to chilloutmix NIpruned and removes VAE

😄

oh forgot to change seed, DOH!

@wooden coral my version

goes to bed.. thud

[silk narwhal]

Hi N

[brittle rampart]

I'm afraid of her tails!

[bitter latch]

nothing to see here. nope

[unkempt cape]

new almost usable model yippee

[vital raptor]

i can hear that picture 😄

[zinc flax]

Smug fox

[undone hinge]

The artstyle reminds me of blue archive

[queen void]

Thx, got flashbanged. Nice image though :D

[bitter latch]

hmm it's stuck on those wings.. oh wait....

[bitter latch]

now this is random

[unkempt cape]

no idea what ur holding but u look cool holding it ig

mystery model ftw

[brittle rampart]

Is she by any chance the daughter of comedian Mr. Bean?

[bitter latch]

shrugs

[nova remnant]

so cute that she is helping him get a haircut

[unkempt cape]

ikr

[bitter latch]

no but lets see what that looks like

[brittle rampart]

She just looks a little like Mr. Bean

[bitter latch]

ok wtf is with the eyes closed?

guess not

or maybe.. shrugs

haha mister bean?

hmm o... k

huh .. miss bean?

sleeps

(goes to bed) thud!

[brittle rampart]

Russian folk tale "Kolobok". Japanese Kawaii version

[bitter latch]

wahhhhh

there we go

what is this she wonders...

[bitter latch]

sharp details except on the girl. odd

ya know I should try to make like a manga or something.. ponders

odd door

[brittle rampart]

children's fairy tale book

[bitter latch]

well its consistant

and thats without model keyword and dantaggen on.. turns on.

wow even better.

tries something

next panel...

hmm this could work

and here comes the new transfer student

upper classman coming thru

here...

ahh better

[rose juniper]

Hello guys, anyone know which IA/model/lora use this imáge ;c

[zinc flax]

Probably nai v3

[nova remnant]

Asian character watermark?

Probably nai

[gloomy scroll]

What do you mean?

[nova remnant]

[keen hollow]

I've missed like a week-- anything happen? 😛

[nova remnant]

You could have missed several tifa posts

who knows

[keen hollow]

yeah probably so 😐

[nova remnant]

I ate her ice cream

runs away

[bitter latch]

I put umbrella in negative , the damn things show up anyhow. grrrr

there we go but suppose to be a boy. sigh

hmm o... k

hmm yep ..sigh

not sure wheret he cat came from

ponders just going to bed or watching something to put himself in a better mood

oooh boy

[bitter latch]

without his makeup

[green temple]

noooice

[bitter latch]

ok enough of that starting to creep myself out

well.. that got colorful

combines , restart with SGM uniform

holy.. shee.... it

hmm entering city from different parts of the city?

thats better

[raw rose]

Anyone have any advice on creating anime images with img to img ? I'm attempting to use 3d models as a base for anime characters for a comic i'm working on, my plan was to run it through stable diffusion to add a bit of detail to the art but it's not looking great. not sure if anyone else has tried this before.

[raw rose]

Neat style! what model is this?

[bitter latch]

cutelunar +animepornzilla merge 😄

using a lot of diff styles tho. long prompt

[noble widget]

controlnet+increase denoise+use real prompt maybe

[bitter latch]

tho having to use adetailer casue the face was all messed up

prompt info: grunge style 8k, HDR, 3.5D, Far wide view, anime screen capture, Striking detailed face, Epic elegant detailed , best quality, anatomically correct, masterpiece, lora:more_details:0.75 lora:add_details_xl:0.8,happy Robin wearing colorful clown makeup, wet , raining, fog, ground mist , cloudy, grey sky, lightning , Vivid colorful gothic , overcast mood, arts style of lovecraft , New york city . textured, distressed, vintage, edgy, punk rock vibe, dirty, noisy, medium wide , centered, 3k, 2.5D, Cel-shading, anime retro studio , digital masterpiece , cartoon fine art, absurdres, elegant, highly detailed ,
Negative prompt: realisticvision-negative-embedding, signature, artist name, watermark, trademark, (umbrella:1.5), smooth, clean, minimalist, sleek, modern, photorealistic
Steps: 40, Sampler: Restart, Schedule type: Align Your Steps, CFG scale: 7, Seed: 3732240838, Size: 968x540, Model hash: 018ebd0568, Model: CutePornzilla, ADetailer model: face_yolov8n.pt, ADetailer confidence: 0.3, ADetailer dilate erode: 4, ADetailer mask blur: 4, ADetailer denoising strength: 0.4, ADetailer inpaint only masked: True, ADetailer inpaint padding: 32, ADetailer version: 24.9.0, Lora hashes: "more_details: 78dc409f23b5, add_details_xl: 35df7d7ec11b", TI: realisticvision-negative-embedding, Version: f2.0.1v1.10.1-previous-495-g4f64f6da, Module 1: clearvae_v23

hmm seems neg I use overrides some of the pos... odd

changes

haha

these could be all part of the same city 😄

[green temple]

😱 😱😱😱😱

[bitter latch]

hmm a young harley quinn type character? or punky brewster after things fall apart

hmmm that city has seen better days

[bitter latch]

the last part of the pos after the "New york city" is part of the misc-grunge and retro anime new styles

[green temple]

oh ok

[bitter latch]

I'm using the new forge

[raw rose]

Thanks I'll try that out! I havent tried it with controlnet yet. Been getting weird artifacts and weird faces even though my 3d model is fairly clear. Will try

[bitter latch]

hmm now I gotta make a colorful gothic and post these on my site 😄

[noble widget]

sidenote, some models need specific prompting formats (pony needs the stupid no-good tag-wasting score_9, source_anime tags et al., WDV needs artist tags, etc)

[bitter latch]

WHOA - scary zombie clown?

[bitter latch]

ok, i'll quit posting the horror, back to regular upbeat anime 😄

here at least

[bitter latch]

ponders the image carasel or just images on the page... hmmms

my eyes

ow ow bright!

[zinc flax]

wdv is out? lol

[bitter latch]

interesting

not sure if she's got the gun or it's pointing at her. or is it even a gun? hmmmm

welp that does it for me

[bitter latch]

and the torch has been passed.. 😄

unlit of course

anyhoooo. goodnight.. thud

[bitter latch]

transform!

[snow crater]

cat

[bitter latch]

egg

[bitter latch]

meow!!!

hehe

ok then.. oh boy

hmm I wonder....

DONUTS!

change one word.. and poof

[brittle rampart]

This is the Yui Summoning Ritual!!!

[bitter latch]

hmmm?

[brittle rampart]

Vil

[bitter latch]

like this

gotta love random

[brittle rampart]

new WebUI SD. now random pictures will be truly random

even the phase of the moon will be taken into account!

[bitter latch]

using the new forge that has a bunch of styles and the z-a1111-sd-webui-dtg extension

https://github.com/KohakuBlueleaf/z-a1111-sd-webui-dtg

[brittle rampart]

and if “on the fingers” what does it do?

[bitter latch]

looks confused ... what?

[brittle rampart]

Why is this extension needed?

[bitter latch]

with image info included

png info

[bitter latch]

hehe

my donuts! MINE!

or is that a triple bagel?

[brittle rampart]

The summoning ritual was a success! 🤣

[gloomy scroll]

The donut thief... I mean smol vampire is everywhere

[green temple]

is this NAI ?

[green temple]

🌚❤️

[jagged axle]

Very very beautiful picture anime.

[nova remnant]

I am pretty sure its not

[green temple]

ok

[nova remnant]

[green temple]

is this nsfw 🌚 ?

[bitter latch]

ok.. .I am liking the extension Lobehub 😄

tries out Animagine xl 3.1

interesting tools in spaces in the new forge

[green temple]

[unkempt cape]

you will know if it randomly vanishes

[green temple]

oh

[unkempt cape]

i take that as a rip then?

[green temple]

maybe 🥲

[raw rose]

Could I trouble anyone to try to take this image ( a 3d model ) and do a light pass of anime style on it? I'm trying so many different models and methods and I just can't seem to get anything good. Curious how one of the experts in this chat would approach it. I'm trying controlnet but it totally destroys the face into a blur. I'd love to figure out a workflow to be able to pose my cartoony 3d models and do a light pass of AI over it to just enhance the art a bit.

As an example here's a result i get for the face. its so odd because the model looks great and all the example images are very clear. but when i use them it just shits the bed

[bitter latch]

like this? png info included in img

ok thats better, used an anime vae

how do I add background. hmmmm

[raw rose]

Good LORD that looks a million times better. How are you getting the faces to actually render?

[bitter latch]

downloads extension

Im just using img2img in forge

[zinc flax]

It's not

[bitter latch]

hmm now if I can figured out this generate mask for inpaint background. grr

hmm that did not come out as expected

[raw rose]

I'll try that out thank you! I'm using Draw Things app on Mac and its just. not. doing things. LOL.

[bitter latch]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meow-angry-pet-hiss-gif-16838272 HISSSS... MAC!

[bitter latch]

uhhh

da fuk

[brittle rampart]

No. SDXL

[nova remnant]

🧊

[brittle rampart]

I can imagine what his bed looks like every summer morning

[nova remnant]

This is how i would wake up if I lived near you!

Too cold

[brittle rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/renge-non-non-biyori-anime-non-non-fear-gif-21840650

[nova remnant]

Smol

@green temple come see this, it's important

[brittle rampart]

call also Trying

[nova remnant]

a stranger!

runs away

[unkempt cape]

man mystery model so peak fr

[bitter latch]

almost

[gloomy scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/kanna-eating-dragon-maid-anime-cute-gif-14613998

[brittle rampart]

I should fix the finger... it probably hurts her. that's why it looks like this..

[wooden coral]

There is no finger there

[brittle rampart]

yeah yeah.. these are alien tentacles... 😁

[bitter latch]

I think she just passed out

[bitter latch]

I should be in bed but im off till monday so.. screw it

mutter mutter,its still haivng lights, dammit

or lamps....

random pokemon!

or is that a digimon?

awww

close enough

[brittle rampart]

Yui-roll

[brittle rampart]

ok, ok! YUE...

I'll try to remember!

[bitter latch]

oh almost 6am

that would explain why the screen is starting to go blurry

there Fairy Yue?

not sure what that light is.. wierd

tries to fix it

[bitter latch]

there!

with png info

ok after 6am my time.. to bed.. I.. goooo thud

oh before I go. found this https://supagruen.github.io/StableDiffusion-CheatSheet/

1.5 SD cheatsheet of styles/artists

[bitter latch]

ok last ones nite all. or good morning, day or wateva.. THUD!

[bitter latch]

Imagination become real

yeah.. couldnt sleep. brain go zoom zoom, I tell it to shut up it , it flipped me off

[brittle jay]

nice

[bitter latch]

ok im gonna try to go back to bed and sleep... I hope

[brittle jay]

oh youre still here

[brittle jay]

wow

[bitter latch]

sets a 2x batch of 20, with varried seeds.. and goes to bed.. thud.. stabs brain with fork, mentally