🍥｜anime

[green temple]

Oh 😂😂

[nova remnant]

Big

[rough oxide]

2 big.

[nova remnant]

[rough oxide]

flat is justice

[nova remnant]

Big good

[rough oxide]

but if she was part of plus-sized elves, i'd probly watch it

kekw

[green temple]

Big bad 🌚

[nova remnant]

Sooma will bonk me

[rough oxide]

iunno , to me even something like this isn't anime anymore

as in pure anime

make it a little flatter tho

and it's back to anime

all the ones i'm getting that are not anime at all, like semi-3d aren't postable kekw

[nova remnant]

NAI is so

[rough oxide]

all the ones i get even sort of like that style

are lewd

xD

[nova remnant]

I need negatives but I'm lazy

[rough oxide]

i dun need negatives cuz i purposely use minimal prompting modelz

i miss sana

[nova remnant]

Nai defaults to a lot of bikini stuff

With giant Booba cat girls

Lmao

[rough oxide]

cat grill with booba?

ez

the perfect sized chest.

[nova remnant]

[fluid torrent]

I love animaPencilXL ... just made a new merge with my Real Crystal Pony XL - YF model

this was still pure animaPencilXL
new images coming up

[rough oxide]

nice colors

yea animapencilXL is my 100% fave rn

i honestly believe

it surpasses nai

i did a lot of tests back and forth

i don't even need any negative prompting 99% of the time

[nova remnant]

NAI is good for artist styles

And stoopid characters

[rough oxide]

anima has a lot of artist styles too. but yeh nai has WAAAAAAAY more knowledge

when it comes to characters (and artists)

[fluid torrent]

animaPencil misses some older age lady looks

[rough oxide]

like geisha stuff or something?

[fluid torrent]

I hope my mix including the fractal lora can change that, the fractals tend to increase age

[rough oxide]

i was able to do geisha stuf fearlier but didn't save any of it

[fluid torrent]

since my original model in the merge mix included 40% pony, im gonna need to test this pony stuff

hm, yeah ok, its still somewhat pony, but not the same

[lyric zealot]

surely it's not because of your vibe transfer

[nova remnant]

Definitely not

[nova remnant]

uses her as vibe transfer

[lyric zealot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1231631731807883345/1231631732613058641/animation_1_1_1_1.gif

[nova remnant]

[fluid torrent]

*hmmmmm, wait. trying to sense the vibe. . . *

picking up some bits, chibi style, big eyes, bows in her blonde hair, hands up

1st try

[rough oxide]

funfact if u like animapencil there is one with pony stuff in merge too, ponypencil and it still uses more nat language/regular prompting but for more pony visuals

[nova remnant]

do claw pose

[fluid torrent]

nah, ill save some good claw poses for later, once I get to know this new merged model better

not sure if im gonna post it on civitai, need some testing first

...testing, testing...

[rough oxide]

what is ur merge trying to accomplish exactly?

[fluid torrent]

adding a bit of the magic of animaPencilXL to my model

original model was maybe too much photorealistic, needed a bit of anime influence

[rough oxide]

ah

hm

so like

[fluid torrent]

and the pure animaPencilXL seems to generate quite young woman images. my new merge could potentially generate older looking women. just adding a bit to the variation.

[rough oxide]

i think the notes on anima pencil's merge could help u a bit on that?

like even tho the previous versions of anima pencil included stuff it already has

they re-add stuff like animagine

and maybe even something like neta art xl2 might help a bit

i found these notes super insightful lol

even tho anima contains all of it you might wanna double dip on specific parts of the model to emphasize it more

using the base models

[fluid torrent]

seems a bit over complicated

[rough oxide]

it kinda isss...

if you wanna make like

that's more or less why i leave it to the more experienced makers now, i used to make some simple merges

but if you want it to be really good you have to go thru a lot of work

[fluid torrent]

why not just use 2 or 3 good (according to taste) model, and maybe some loras?

[rough oxide]

i meaaaan

the results of animapencil speak for themselves tho, don't they?

there are cases where just a few things being merged

can result in a really good model

but even then u have to weight it all properly

[fluid torrent]

i dont want to be the best, I want to be effective for what I want myself. And then share it with the world, hoping it could be of some use 😄

[rough oxide]

ye; not to discourage you or anything

that's just what the ap recipe looks like

[fluid torrent]

thnx for sharing

always good to have some insight

[rough oxide]

idk where i'd even start if i was going to make my own merge nowadays

i still like some of the stylistic stuff from like jemnite models

and kohaku epsilon looked amazing as a base model

[fluid torrent]

Check my models if you like: https://civitai.com/user/youhnr5/models

[rough oxide]

the composition of the cute lunars look good

what is used to merge checkpoints nowadays anyways?

i might wanna try something like a kohaku epsilon/pencil merge

[fluid torrent]

I use a comfyui workflow to merge models

[rough oxide]

know where to find one of those, or could u share?

i haven't done model merging stuff in a loooong time x_x

[fluid torrent]

It's pretty simple, just looking at the example on https://comfyanonymous.github.io/ComfyUI_examples/model_merging/ or even just download those images with the workflow included

[rough oxide]

ty

[fluid torrent]

you might want to run comfyui in --lowvram

[rough oxide]

i have 24gb vram

[fluid torrent]

oh, ok.

you might wanna forget that then

has 12

[stable crane]

can't wait for 5090

praying it has >24

[rough oxide]

they actually bumping nums this time?

[stable crane]

rumor is 32gb

maybe 28?

[rough oxide]

there's been a rumor like that

for like

every generation so far

[nova remnant]

lewwwwwwds

[nova remnant]

[rough oxide]

merge attempt is innerestin

lol

since the main model would actually output miku's tattoo (animagine doesn't i think)

it really wants to draw it xD

definitely more style variation immediately

that workflow worked nice for just a flat 70-30 merge

the eye coloring is so gud

and the sorta jaggy line handdrawn look is nice

yup i like this xD

i need to test a lotta prompts tho

well, for niche cases it's decent. i might still be waiting for something like the next anima pencil tho. (or wdv since it sounds like it's sooner than i thought... maybe.)

cuz anima pencil can still pull off stuff like this on its own

[fluid torrent]

can you do a sexy older lady wearing sunglasses, drinking a classic cocktail? no cute, no girly, not young. Using anima pencil

[rough oxide]

huh

i mean i literally just did this but u want sunglasses too

o

no cute either

hmm

[fluid torrent]

ok, maybe a bit cute. old and cute can combine

im just challenging anima pencil do generate older looking women

[rough oxide]

i get em fine i think?

are u using "mature female" tag?

r they mature enuff

[fluid torrent]

love those green eyes on black

[rough oxide]

u just made me realize the wildcard did bibi and not towa herself

LOL

normally one eye should be pink i think

[nova remnant]

Big

[nova remnant]

[glacial bane]

https://tenor.com/view/girl-oh-no-oops-yikes-terrified-gif-15976144

[nova remnant]

ugly

[glacial bane]

How dare you

[green temple]

momoi is better

hmmm.. there`s something wrong

[nova remnant]

What can cause my generation to be wildly different from someone else's despite same model and all generation details?

[zinc flax]

Loras, quality tags, etc

[nova remnant]

that reminds me, how are people using loras without it being in the prompt?

[zinc flax]

They use comfy nodes, probably

[wet jewel]

how to use it in discord?

[nova remnant]

is this comfyui thing connecting to the internet?

ahh sorry I'm just complaining to myself, I didn't mean to just write it here lol.

[nova remnant]

what

[green temple]

u

jk

[green temple]

hands

[nova remnant]

[nova remnant]

I thought it was her chest

but its some long thumb lmao

[supple raptor]

it runs on your own pc and you access it through a web browser https://github.com/comfyanonymous/ComfyUI

[nova remnant]

I can't even reproduce my own stuff using this

lol

[supple raptor]

what are you currently using?

[nova remnant]

that's a loaded question, we're all using a lot of things

I can reproduce my own ai art in txt2img

but it's completely different in comfy

[supple raptor]

so i assume you're using either automatic1111's webui or forge currently. the main reason that it's different is that the comfy creates the seed which is the noise that the image starts from on your CPU while automatic1111 and forge both create the seed on the gpu by default.

[nova remnant]

oh sorry yeah automatic

[supple raptor]

i'm sure there's probably a node somewhere to make comfy generate the seed on gpu like automatic1111 does, otherwise you can change a1111 to create the seed on cpu like comfy if your only concern is later being able to make the same image on comfy (this will mean that a1111 will no longer recreate the images that you made in a1111 though).

[nova remnant]

tbh I'm just trying to see if something is up with my stable diffusion cuz everything I generate is garbage

so I was trying to replicate other people's stuff to see if I can get it to match at least a little

[supple raptor]

another thing to look at is your prompting. a1111 normalizes weights which allows you to get away with setting some parts of the prompt to higher weight than comfy will let you get away with

[junior quest]

@supple raptor got a problem with animagine style lora traning, I trained a lora for pony then tried those same settings and dataset for animagine, uhh it doesnt work, pony is perfectly fine.

[nova remnant]

tbh I'm kinda liking what comfy produces instead

[fast quiver]

how do people get hands and feet to draw correctly on animagine? been trying different prompts but nothing works

[nova remnant]

lol

[fast quiver]

shikanokonokonokokoshitantan

[supple raptor]

hard to say for sure what the problem is. significantly different base models can have different optimal hyperparameters, but you should still get something that's at least reasonable on animagine with the settings that worked for pony. did you take a look at loss numbers as it was training to make sure it didn't explode somewhere (NaN).

[supple raptor]

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-girl-gif-2905325976641914654

[junior quest]

hmm those decimal numbers?

[supple raptor]

yeah, those numbers all look fine. if it was NaN instead of one of the decimals then you'd have a problem.

[junior quest]

I see

[stable crane]

shikanoko noko noko noko tan tan

[nova remnant]

did you just curse me with black magic

[stable crane]

yeah, now you have to watch the show

[desert island]

I'm trying to get anime realism... did I succeed or does this belong elsewhere?

[stable crane]

the hands seem a bit too real

[brittle rampart]

the proportions are lame

[desert island]

minus the obligatory extra fingers of course, 😆 but yeah I might have to mess around with the detailers 🤔 . Thanks for the feedback.

[stable crane]

maybe check out 2dnPony model and increase the str on some anime artists

for example

some of them are a bit anime+irl

[brittle rampart]

The size of the hands in this case is quite large.

[desert island]

I'm actually doing an autismmix blended with sdxl using a model merge to try to play with that node more of as an experiment with the node.

[desert island]

any better? I can't tell anymore...

[rough oxide]

2-fish±20送ろfishↄ-4

i have no idea wut ai is trying to say here.

[stable crane]

math

[rough oxide]

tru

[brittle rampart]

hidden message

x-20

it's all about X!

😁

[rough oxide]

aha

mayhaps it not a ± but an x-

xD

[nova remnant]

The messages says that mouse girl needs books or else she won't be happy

[brittle rampart]

😁 - Books are always wonderful! The mouse loves books and reading! but there must be a break

[rough oxide]

until i find books, i have food to offer

[nova remnant]

Anime girl

[rough oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/glaring-glare-disgusted-disgusted-face-chibi-gif-5132909007677443740

[gloomy lodge]

this?

or more anime look?

[rough oxide]

i took a book from an anime grill who's now sad about it. will this book suffice?

[brittle rampart]

Inana`nis!

[rough oxide]

lol. wildcards hit vtubers a lot

cuz got mumei right after ina

even tho like 4970 chars in wildcard

[nova remnant]

All

[rough oxide]

wat about this book

[nova remnant]

Funya save me from vtubers

[brittle rampart]

this is destiny!

[brittle rampart]

I can't do it that fast

[rough oxide]

i'd like to question destiny about so many things xD

[brittle rampart]

This is a very serious issue that should be discussed over a good drink 😁

[rough oxide]

o

lmao

funnily enough

i already had an image

with a drink.

that had "destiny" sort of written out

from earlier today i think xD

c. destiny is totally weird.

[nova remnant]

No more books for mouse girl

[brittle rampart]

damn! Why are you all so fast..... 😭

[rough oxide]

i had some mouse girl i really liked back in like waifu diffusion 1.4 era

i probly still have it on my pixiv

nvm thought it was mouse girl

but i guess it was cat girl xD

[brittle rampart]

he looks like FELIX!

[rough oxide]

lol. it's another reminder to me of how like

bad background quality and more complex things were in older models

to be fair i think backgrounds still need a lot of work

haven't seen felix argyle in a while

https://tenor.com/view/felix-argyle-gif-11149329

[brittle rampart]

but this is a definite Felix!

Yes!

[nova remnant]

[brittle rampart]

and why did you offend her?

Is three legs really bad?

[nova remnant]

She ate the cheese

All of it

[brittle rampart]

Well, she ate the cheese... why would offend the mouse?

[nova remnant]

No books for her because of it

Book diet

[brittle rampart]

cruel!

[nova remnant]

Pouting everywhere

[nova remnant]

[nova remnant]

I will take 2 beach mouse girls!

👍

[brittle rampart]

she is one. and unique!

[nova remnant]

[nova remnant]

Here another one

Me on the left

[brittle rampart]

Rose-colored glasses are not your style! 😂

[nova remnant]

What you mean

I'd be fabulous!

[rough oxide]

yellow watermelon>red watermelon

[brittle rampart]

I've never tried yellow watermelons

[rough oxide]

i think it's a bit sweeter

a lot bigger too

it's weird. it looks completely yellow

but tastes just like normal watermelon

[brittle rampart]

I didn't even see them 🥴

[rough oxide]

not as exotic as like pineberries, not sumthin u absolutely need to try or nething

but if u see em, they're like just a tinge sweeter, and a lot bigger

[nova remnant]

I thought yellow watermelons only existed in Minecraft

[brittle rampart]

are they there?

[rough oxide]

i didn't even know minecraft had them

i don't play minecraft xD

[nova remnant]

Probably from a mod

I didn't play much

But liked mods

[rough oxide]

i played minecraft when it came out and it was kinda cool

settled for terraria tho

[brittle rampart]

Why?

[rough oxide]

liked it more i guess

[nova remnant]

[rough oxide]

i actually struggled getting yellow watermelon to spawn in image, that image i posted was like the only one that had it xD

[nova remnant]

Nai wasnt a fan of the idea either

[gloomy lodge]

your output look good btw

[rough oxide]

funny how ai can do so many advanced concepts but fail when u just try to change the color of something if not in danbooru database

[nova remnant]

Sd3 to the rescue

anatomy

[rough oxide]

wonder when we'll see anime models trained on sd3

ther's artfusion sd3 anime

but it didn't look as usable as the current stuff yet

[nova remnant]

They'll update the current sd3

After releasing the 8b version probably..

Gonna be a while for really good results

[brittle rampart]

everything is so yellow!

[nova remnant]

And there's like not much information about how the model actually works, sdxl took a while for people to figure out

When they could give that information

[nova remnant]

The city is ready to be eaten

[brittle rampart]

Oh no! This is not a gingerbread house!

[brittle rampart]

Watermelons can't stay fresh for long! Can you imagine what will happen in this city in a couple of weeks?

[nova remnant]

Just add a bit of sugar!

[nova remnant]

[brittle rampart]

Yes Yes! catastrophe!

[nova remnant]

now it's possible

[brittle rampart]

original!

the city is carved from a watermelon, decorated with strawberries. on cream?

[nova remnant]

Made by a chef!

Your house

[brittle rampart]

what about freshness?

[nova remnant]

What do you mean o:

Fresh!

[brittle rampart]

strawberry house! it's like a watermelon city, it will quickly rot

[nova remnant]

It's.. Magic

I'll get a powerful elf to cast a spell to not let it rot

[brittle rampart]

I'm counting on you!

[nova remnant]

Is she big

Or the city small

[left nova]

people making lolis , need to go to jail and have their hard drive checked

[brittle rampart]

You do not understand anything! this is an artistic move! It's called perspective distortion!

😁

[brittle rampart]

I'm always surprised by people making such comments. This begs the question of what you imagine in your head in this case. and how do you feel about illustrations in children's books? 🤣

[brittle rampart]

Today's theme is summer and watermelons!

😁

[brittle rampart]

Here you go. Now I want peaches!

[brittle rampart]

The hands grew together a little unsuccessfully...

[bitter latch]

hehe

[brittle rampart]

green tea?

[bitter latch]

shrugs

[brittle rampart]

beautiful style

[bitter latch]

haha

goes back to bed

bbl

ok last one for now.

thuds

[desert island]

That! so crisp and clean... glorious! car to give a little explanation?

[steady grail]

guys i just found out that using the style of an horny author will taint even cute models >.<

yesterday i spent an hour before noticing it wasn't the prompt, but that damn lora XD

[brittle rampart]

only righteous things, pure thoughts, and LoLi will save the AI ​​world

😁

[steady grail]

i should check every author and not only the examples on civitai -.-'

well, cute stuff is cute and that's good

but honestly, inderned don't need more horny stuff lol

very often i dream or daydream magical places or situations and i would like to maifest them in reality before i forget about them

[brittle rampart]

We are romantics, we are all like that in this regard!

[steady grail]

yup

the world need more magic

that's why i love anime and videogames

[brittle rampart]

The technical revolution has completely destroyed magic!

[steady grail]

yesterday i started playing ender lilies

[steady grail]

it's so chill, relaxing

but at the same time intriguing

[steady grail]

it's economy that destroyed magic

people stopped dreaming because people can't monetize them

and are totally raptured by brainrot culture in the vane hope of escaping the tram tram that living became

[zinc flax]

It's a good game

Great soundtrack also

[steady grail]

totally agree

like a fable

i like the genre and the fact that balanced well stressful situations to not overbear the player

it's not for hardcore players

it gives me some sort of escapism before going to sleep

the chill musics, the not too challeging enemies, the story, the sweet characters

[brittle rampart]

I would play creative games. I don't like shooters and killer games...

[steady grail]

that's more a chill souls like mixed with metrovenia

i found similar filing with fragile

that was another game i loved very much

too bad it was a little incomplete

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KvGd3hXgq8

[brittle rampart]

time for super heroes!

[left nova]

children books are boring af , even when i was a child

ive read history books as a child

[brittle rampart]

then you're just not a romantic.

[left nova]

i just want to be dominated by an amazonian woman🤣

[brittle rampart]

it's terrible!

but to each his own

😂

[left nova]

for you terrible but i like strong woman lol

and there is a lack of strong amazonian women images in this chat , im gonna fix that later

[steady grail]

the Grim brothers?

[brittle rampart]

I'll stay away.

[brittle rampart]

he does not know the true history of children's fairy tales....

😁

[left nova]

but why is this chat obsessed with child images

[steady grail]

well, simps like to get abused lol

[left nova]

i find that disturbing

[vital raptor]

stop sexualizing it and it wont disturb you as much

[left nova]

i aint no simp but ok

[steady grail]

better people obsessed with cute things than sex

[brittle rampart]

That's why there are always "trolls" online?

[steady grail]

other ai server are full of very disturbing images

[brittle rampart]

it's like trash on the internet

[left nova]

cats are cute

but kids are not cute

[brittle rampart]

Apparently such people don't get any attention?

[left nova]

kids are annoying bastards

[steady grail]

when i was young, social degradation, mental deviations and the fear o pervers wasn't so diffuse

[brittle rampart]

Congratulations, you were one of them!

[steady grail]

before all this paranoid and deviate staff there was this mentality

youngs reminds adults how to feel and live

we where their inspiration to remember what''s the mean of living

i frequented the nursery, the scouts, but even if there were bad apples, there where many good people too

people that dedicated their time and life to protect the childhood of young life

but society is deviated, scary and scared of each others

[brittle rampart]

I never cease to be amazed by people who have stopped being children and dreaming...

[steady grail]

that's why i like cute and sweet stuff, because they reminds of my childhood

[brittle rampart]

crap! I feel sorry for them

[steady grail]

yeah, people became dry

[vital raptor]

i mean, if the first thing they think about when they see a picture of a young child is "that's a sex object" then it's probably a good thing they distance themselves from children

[steady grail]

and with internet, childs are growing deviated

[brittle rampart]

That's what I told him right away!

[steady grail]

and with the excuse of deviants, childs and young lives are isolated and left alone, growing without guides

[brittle rampart]

I immediately have a question about what is in the minds of such people.

[zinc flax]

I find it weird that's always the case with these ppl lol

[steady grail]

totally agree

[zinc flax]

Stop making it weird for everyone it's that simple

[steady grail]

childs cry because they suffer and needs help

[vital raptor]

it's called projecting

[steady grail]

and good people suffer with them and they want to help

but they are left isolated, crying, because deviants

[steady grail]

yeah, and it's what makes us human

[brittle rampart]

gorgeous! Mowgli!

[steady grail]

cool

[brittle rampart]

Oh. she is woman...

[steady grail]

projecting on ourselves the suffering of childs

but people today lack empathy

[dapper verge]

Kolors does good illustrative images, although anime style is tough at times.

[brittle rampart]

but immediately it seemed that this was an illustration of Kipling - The Junge Book

[steady grail]

the quality is very good

recently i did read about brainrot

and that really depressed me

childs are growing unsupervised absorbing crap from internet

becoming the same deviants the society try to isolate the childs from...

deviants that became people of power, activists and who only god know

this is not the world i grew up

[steady grail]

ok, better stop rambling about my childhood XD

[steady grail]

prospective is all wrong on this one

[brittle rampart]

I think we all understand your point of view

[steady grail]

most of the time it's just about me missing my grandparents lol

[brittle rampart]

and gradually you become a grandfather yourself 😉

[steady grail]

i was very lucky

[steady grail]

i hope so, but times are becoming very crazy, it's hard to find people sane of mind

and stay sane of mind yourself

the social pressure is simply too much

[brittle rampart]

in the forest! away from civilization!

[steady grail]

ohh that would be good XD

[dapper verge]

Yeah well I tried to get a coffee cup monster but it won't give me that either. 🙂

[steady grail]

lol

[vital raptor]

mega grande

[steady grail]

that's an epic size lol

[brittle rampart]

That's why they say: - A large amount of coffee gives birth to a monster in you!

😂

[steady grail]

i'm a simple guy who whant's a simple live, in a society where taxes are at 80% >.<

[brittle rampart]

20% is left for consideration of the issue of taxation on breath!

[steady grail]

i should simply leave this country

[steady grail]

that's remind me of that game of hacking

[brittle rampart]

Hurray I did it!

[unkempt cape]

stop being so selfish! how will the great leaders get their 10th vacation a week if you don't spare your money!

[steady grail]

charming

[dapper verge]

There we go, even mildly anime style

[steady grail]

oh, watch dogs

the second was me during work hours

working to not lose my mind after 5° coffy

[unkempt cape]

FUCK

[steady grail]

everything is ok?

your pc is melting?

[wooden coral]

Why does the logo look like a bad photoshop edit

[dapper verge]

there's no real upscaling with these flow based models yet so it is what it is for the time being.

[wooden coral]

You could upscale with XL for example

[dapper verge]

yeah, that's with one level of 0.35 denoise XL upscaling. The problem is that XL doesn't do multi-subject almost at all, so unless you're doing really low levels of denoise, it'll just try to make everyone into one subject. The correct answer is for these flow models to be able to do their own upscaling without having to resort to 30 stages of 0.1 denoise with ultimate upscaler that takes 3 hours.

dall-e is doing it, so i'm sure it'll eventually be possibly with the local stuff.

[wooden coral]

Have you tried unsampling for upscaling

[dapper verge]

I have at times, although if you've still got complex multi-subject, sdxl is still going to mess it up. it's seriously amazing if you're only doing single subject, but I have it so low because otherwise stuff loses prompt following otherwise. upscaling with kolors works better because it has a higher level of understanding, but there's also a significant number of topics it doesn't know so that's it's own point of frustration at times ideally upscaling with the same model is really the best of all worlds, just needs to be worked on.

[steady grail]

in the end is all about knowing the bias of the model and working around it

[ivory pebble]

That's why it's important for a model to have innate artist styles, you can make as many loras as you want for a model but they will never be as flexible

[steady grail]

i suppose that's what make some cute models cute

[ivory pebble]

BASED!!

[ivory pebble]

Yeah but like I said it's important to have innate styles in a model, most of the artist tags that I use in my gens are from artists that make very NSFW art, yet it never produces NSFW stuff unless I want to prompt for it

[steady grail]

i was trying to make 2 feral cats fight and instead i got 2 horny nekomimi in swimsuit -.-'

damn lora

[ivory pebble]

Ah, the lora was most likely trained on a lot of nsfw images 😭

[steady grail]

initially i downloaded it because it looked good to gen gorgeous domineering miss..... i wanted a baionetta dressed as a teacher <.<

and than forgot it loaded <,<

[ivory pebble]

What's the lora called?

[steady grail]

let me see

https://civitai.com/models/257097?modelVersionId=289910

[ivory pebble]

Surely that's that's just ice cream on her hair.. right?

[steady grail]

snow

melting snow

why would you get ice cream on the head?

[ivory pebble]

I don't think melting snow looks like that

[steady grail]

that's why they are dry snow flakes

[ivory pebble]

Yea Ik but still looks weird

[steady grail]

very very dry snow

[ivory pebble]

And very thick and liquidy snow for some reason 😭

Might just be the artist tags that's messing that up

[steady grail]

that's exactly what i was talking about <.<

[ivory pebble]

God why is Civitai so slow

[gloomy lodge]

yeah so I use models that have a good base look like Darksushi but look a bit fuzzy when done and use refiner once its about 80% done depending on the model im using as a base and refiner. Less detailed models tend to look cooler so I just used detailed ones to clean up the image as they finish generating.

[ivory pebble]

It's 10x worse on a mobile browser

[zinc flax]

smol indie company

They need their daily maintenance

[ivory pebble]

They're doing their best at least

But honestly I haven't had any issues with it while I'm using my PC but on my phone it takes so long to load

[unkempt cape]

hmm idk man i didnt prompt for nsfw stuff

[ivory pebble]

Yeah it's probably just one of the artists you used, maybe they just draw snow like that who knows

[unkempt cape]

like hopefully my god damn phone screen is not visible

i have another pic but now not sure if i should post it

why n ai2 why

[ivory pebble]

Just crop it in your gallery and post it

[gloomy lodge]

I too have an obsession with fairies in jars

[unkempt cape]

? explain pls?

[ivory pebble]

Uhhh, where is her underwear

[unkempt cape]

"emotionless, dot mouth, by quasarcake, by ningen_mame, by yoneyama_mai, by misaka12003, by ciloranko, 1girl:human, dark brown wolf ears, clothes, white seethrough thigh highs, cold facial expression, one eye closed, white choker, quality hands, messy brown pixie haircut, red and yellow eyes, tan, background bed with a dark gray background, best quality, amazing quality, very aesthetic, absurdress"

[ivory pebble]

Well if the image is NSFW then you can just crop the image in your phone gallery so you can post it here without the NSFW part

[unkempt cape]

did i have anything bad in here? (stolen prompt)

[unkempt cape]

its snow on her face

[ivory pebble]

Looks pretty normal

[ivory pebble]

Well you already posted one of those images earlier so it doesn't really matter I guess

[unkempt cape]

dude wtf

i got a better look now, N AI2 WHAT THE FUCK

[gloomy lodge]

it has no naughty bits its a magical freaking animal

[unkempt cape]

mods pls just del the image its not intentional my screen is as bright as my future

[ivory pebble]

What is N AIV2? 😭

[zinc flax]

nai copium edition

[ivory pebble]

Ah, I'm guessing that's that new arti mix or whatever it's called

[zinc flax]

Gonna assume it's neta v2

[unkempt cape]

oh my god all of the images-

i didnt see jackshit because of my screen 🤮

[unkempt cape]

n ai china edition

[ivory pebble]

To be fair they're on the right path to create something decent, it's just that both arti and neta seem very undertrained

[zinc flax]

I don't think it's that undertrained unlike animagine(?)

[unkempt cape]

y undertrained? its just not good enough

[zinc flax]

It's just the outputs are weirdly low resolution for some reason

[unkempt cape]

it does not seem undertrained to me

[zinc flax]

Maybe it's because it's not trained using sdxl bucketing or something

[unkempt cape]

it doesnt have as much like artists data and pose data like nai

[ivory pebble]

Like sleepti said, the outputs are very low quality and the anatomy is very weird. Not sure about how it deals with object permanence or with image composition but overall it still lacks a lot of things

[zinc flax]

Oh yeah anatomy still sucks unfortunately lol
I don't think no one can beat pony in terms of that

[unkempt cape]

What do you mean anatomy my bro?? low quality, quality is subjective but some styles are near indistinguishable from novel ai

[zinc flax]

Not low quality, low res

[unkempt cape]

haven't tested with nudes or anything, but i had some more revealing pics, ik my screen is fucked but come on, anatomy bad? bullshit

quality is subjective and i think i've never been able to make pics this good

[ivory pebble]

I mean I think it's pretty self explanatory, if the model is just good for portraits of characters standing then it's clear that it can't do proper anatomy. Try prompting for some different poses like on all fours or lying on stomach feet up, something a bit more complex, and see how it does

[unkempt cape]

Ok havent tested tomorrow i will

[ivory pebble]

Yeah I meant to say low res, not low quality

[unkempt cape]

can i get some tags or prompts for quick test tomirrow

for now this is my best example which says nothing

[unkempt cape]

if you're talking about civit ai pics... those pics always display in low res, u gotta click. If you're talking my pics, didnt download the file, just downloaded the output lul

[ivory pebble]

Look at your previous pic you posted for example, one hand is melting into her face, the other is melting into her hair, the eyes are falling out of her skull, the hair on the bottom right is disappearing into nothingness, her dress is shooting up in the air.. At first glance it looks nice but there is so many issues with it, that's why I said the model is undertrained

[unkempt cape]

yeah actually lol but that pic is obviously screwed

still tho its the nicest stuff ive used for a while (and i gave no fuck about tags ordering that must ve done something too)

[ivory pebble]

The creator of the model is aware of this problem, he knows that the quality and anatomy are the model's biggest problem, people have given him advice and feedback on what he needs to improve so hopefully it will be fixed

I'm talking about the dude who made Arti, not sure if he made the neta model

[unkempt cape]

yeah and the poses also

neta is finetuned from arti so problems ontop of problems

[ivory pebble]

Well yeah that should get fixed along with the anatomy problems

[ivory pebble]

Pretty much, but at least they're not trying to prune artist tags from their models so that's a huge plus.

They just need to let their models cook a bit more and it should be good

[unkempt cape]

Did nai do that? like were they planning to replace artists

i think they need to up the weights on some of the pose description tags

[ivory pebble]

Not sure, they removed artists from their furry model but that's probably because they think the western artists might cause them trouble for some reason. The japanese artists don't really seem to care

[unkempt cape]

I heard they were planning to replace with placeholders like somewhere idk

[ivory pebble]

If they were then they would probably let their users know through their discord server or something, I doubt they would remove artist tags considering that's mainly why people use their model

People will always spread misinformation, it's best to wait to hear something from the actual NAI staff

[unkempt cape]

in any cases, fingers crossed neta 3 or 4 kicks nai 3 out the window 💯💯. 2 is a phenomenal leap all things considered

[ivory pebble]

I wouldn't say it's a huge leap considering local anime models are mainly trying to catch up to NAI, having artist tags is the bare minimum but local finetuners really want to prune them from their models for some reason

[unkempt cape]

Honestly I can't find something that I've liked this much before nothing quite come close

it's a huge leap for me

[ivory pebble]

Yeah it's fun when a model actually has hundreds and hundreds of artist tags to mix and play around with 😭

That's the most fun part about NAI in my opinion

[unkempt cape]

When they MIX

[ivory pebble]

So I 100% agree with you

[unkempt cape]

Another model I remembered is uhhhh

[ivory pebble]

Oh yeah, trust me I know 😭

[unkempt cape]

anime illust diffusion

it couldnt mix but it had a style i quite liked, and a lot of artists

but it was unstable, i posted a pic here.

when the style looks cool, i can forgive a lot of errors, but that one was just too much

[ivory pebble]

I remember seeing that model when I first started using Pony and I was honestly amazed at how good it looked.

[unkempt cape]

I liked some of pony's outputs too, but it looks fried lol

[ivory pebble]

Never used it but some of the stuff people were posted made me realize just how bad Pony was at doing actual anime styles 😭

[ivory pebble]

It does have some artifact problems, but that's not really that big of an issue, to me it's just the fact that the images it produces look very basic, not really aesthetically pleasing if that makes sense

[nova remnant]

Anime looks basic

[unkempt cape]

some of the styles didnt hit, and stuff looks kind of fried. I will say I had enjoyment doing pony. When Neta v1 came out, it had a style which I kinda liked, and it was able to do pretty cool stuff

[ivory pebble]

You look basic

[unkempt cape]

Thats why when they showed v2 i get hyped

[nova remnant]

Ugly eyes

[ivory pebble]

Apologize to makima rn

[unkempt cape]

😋

you look delicious

[nova remnant]

[ivory pebble]

Trust me I know, after playing with Pony for a 2 months I got really bored of it

[ivory pebble]

Uhhhh

🤨

[unkempt cape]

as a phantom thief i shall steal your organs

[unkempt cape]

I didn't bother that much. This will keep me playing for a while tho

[nova remnant]

Pony is the best

[unkempt cape]

You taste the best 😋

[ivory pebble]

I think there'll be a new article about the new Pony model soon, we shall see what astra managed to improve

[unkempt cape]

obviously more unicorn segs

[nova remnant]

Furry

[unkempt cape]

change note 6.9

• more unicorn segs

[ivory pebble]

Apparently the dataset is even bigger now? Which is huge if true, cause that would mean an even bigger Anime dataset

[nova remnant]

More cartoon data

Give up anime

[unkempt cape]

guys i think theyre the same

[ivory pebble]

Ponyv6 anime dataset was only 1/5th of the model, around 500k images, so it's no surprise it's bad with anime

[nova remnant]

Avatar is the best anime

[fluid torrent]

anime =! cartoon

[ivory pebble]

dumb cat

[nova remnant]

I'm an expert

Trust me

[unkempt cape]

i think its != dude

[fluid torrent]

at least you understood, so I dont care

[nova remnant]

Best anime girl

[unkempt cape]

yes anime equals factory cartoon

[fluid torrent]

no, you're wrong I'

ve looked it up

both != and =! exist. =! translated to IS NOT

[unkempt cape]

oh ok so you did mean anime equals factory cartoon

[steady grail]

mommy baionetta is totally my type <.<

[fluid torrent]

No, I ment anime IS NOT cartoon, as in these two things are not the same. Or it can be read as "anime is the inverse of cartoon" which is not fully true.

[nova remnant]

I was just trying names to see if they work

And then

👍

[unkempt cape]

ok but technically,

anime =! cartoon

you're defining anime

[unkempt cape]

that, which technically means you're wrong 😛

the IS NOT that =! means is not the same as the IS NOT we humans use

[fluid torrent]

just read it as "anime IS NOT cartoon" and it is fully and completely correct. But if you want to read it otherwise, then yeah are fully correct and there is no room to discuss. So, next topic.

Im human

and I used it

but anyway, lets move on

you'r eright

[desert island]

anime would have to be false since that's the first operation being evaluated... 🤔 so you hate anime not cartoons?

[unkempt cape]

what?

[rough oxide]

yeaaaaa... trying like t_ponynaiv6 which afaik is one of the better pony models and i am not super impressed with it other than its more stylized outputs.

but it can't attain "anime" style in any way lol

[fluid torrent]

I love using the rapunzel lora combined with anime checkpoint, if that answers your question

[nova remnant]

She is the best anime

[nova remnant]

Then it's a good model

[rough oxide]

nu

iz bad

[unkempt cape]

no i found better anime

[nova remnant]

What you mean

[unkempt cape]

observe you mortal

[nova remnant]

[unkempt cape]

SHE is best anime

[rough oxide]

where's the spot for the skibidi toilet

[unkempt cape]

under your bed tonight

[ivory pebble]

That's because that model was trained on a single NovelAI artist mix, it's not really compatible with other loras cause it is simply just a model made to replicate just a fraction of what NAI can actually do

Hence why it's called ponyNAI

[nova remnant]

Nai does horni

[rough oxide]

figured as much from description, still seemed like there might've been a handful of good outputs from it

but ehhhhh

waiting for wdv which will hav eno pony influence

and likely be better than nai from what's been shown

til then, animagine merges ftw

[nova remnant]

Will it have good fingers

[ivory pebble]

It's just like using a singular lora and expecting it to do multiple other stuff, it just won't work

[fluid torrent]

The first version of https://civitai.com/models/412672?modelVersionId=459938 was a mix of 40% pony based model + 60% SDXXXL + some lora

[ivory pebble]

It does very good horni

[fluid torrent]

latest version, or perhaps another model, merged this version with the current animaPencilXL_v500

should be nsfw enough with this mix 😄

[rough oxide]

hands can be fixed. but pony-based models can never do like actual anime screencap quality

[nova remnant]

My 1girl prompts turn into massive cat girls on the beach

[nova remnant]

Bad quality

[ivory pebble]

I'd have to see your prompt to actually know what you're talking about but that just seems ridiculous 😭

[nova remnant]

Just the default things to have "better quality"

[fluid torrent]

that sounds very plausible I think

[rough oxide]

can confirm you added "cat ears" to toph

manually.

kekw.

[ivory pebble]

Yeah Pony does suck at anime tbh, on NAI if you wanted a simple anime screencap you'd just simply prompt "anime screencap"

[rough oxide]

yeh; i guess even then tho the base style/colorization/etc of nai is kinda falling behind now

[ivory pebble]

I assume other models do the same

[rough oxide]

but it's only natural, been like 8 months since it came out

and yea in animapencil just anime screencap does it

[ivory pebble]

How so?

[rough oxide]

i did a lot of comparisons just prompt to prompt, not even just anime screencap stuff

i think the merge i use now surpasses nai in base quality BUT

nai has the vibe transfer stuff

as in multiple init imgs

and what not

[ivory pebble]

I'm confused, what do you mean by base quality?

[ivory pebble]

Yeah vibe transfer is honestly insane

[rough oxide]

without adding a paragraph of prompting, same prompt across both since both use same prompting style

as to, for me which image came out better without using any init img

[nova remnant]

Yeah I just thought about it and tried before it even happened

[ivory pebble]

Idk, to me local models just seem very.. bland tbh, they lack the aesthetics and the image composition that NAI has

But I will say in terms of prompt following Pony is the best imo

[nova remnant]

@ivory pebble I sent you

[rough oxide]

do u have nai rn?

i could show u an example

[nova remnant]

All I've been posting recently is nai or sd3

[rough oxide]

prompt: 1girl, shikimori, kawaii dake ja nai shikimori-san, blue eyes, pink hair, long hair, hair between eyes, school uniform, black sweater, shite shirt, collared shirt, long sleeves, spaghetti strap, red ribbon, grey skirt, pleated skirt, miniskirt, black kneehighs, brown loafers, medium breasts, fingernails, standing, staight-on, skinny, tanaka yuuichi chunpai kogame

i meant to show what i meant

lol

i'm running out of anlas for this kind of testing

xD

but i'm certain

these 4 outputs would be better than 4 images output in nai

with the same prompt

nai won't even overfit for a background

[zinc flax]

What even is that model

[rough oxide]

https://civitai.com/models/261336/animapencil-xl

[zinc flax]

I mean, nai has that weird prompting thingy that needs you to pay attention to the order

[rough oxide]

it's kinda similar with animagine based models tho

[zinc flax]

Nah not really, nai puts a heavier emphasis on it

If you put the artist like on the far back then it's pretty useless lol

[fluid torrent]

I found that prompt order or format in general does not have a very large influence

and anything can be adjusted using weights

[rough oxide]

same with animagine though

it';s at end with no commas for minimal influence

[fluid torrent]

so if you mostly control things with (somewhat heavy) weights, order does not really matter

Sticking to a sort of fixed template for prompt might be more usefull for use human, not always better for the checkpoint

1girl, shikimori, kawaii dake ja nai shikimori-san, blue eyes, pink hair, long hair, hair between eyes, school uniform, black sweater, shite shirt, collared shirt, long sleeves, spaghetti strap, red ribbon, grey skirt, pleated skirt, miniskirt, black kneehighs, brown loafers, medium breasts, fingernails, standing, staight-on, skinny, tanaka yuuichi chunpai kogame

with my new custom merged model.

only about 12% pony in the mix, but it still seems to have some pony features

talking about the smooth empty style

[desert island]

ewww a shite shirt 💩 👕 ... 😆 I know it's a typo but it's funny.

[nova remnant]

[fluid torrent]

I just copy pasted the prompt from earlier post, didnt even fully read it

[rough oxide]

lol

and i got that prompt from

this

[desert island]

🤷‍♂️ at least someones reading it 😄

[rough oxide]

so there's a typo within the original base image i used xD

[fluid torrent]

mistakes happen

[desert island]

or however that saying goes... 😁

[rough oxide]

hmmm wonder why it's failing to appear public ;_;

o well

[fluid torrent]

I once made my first fractal lora, created lots of pics for the civit page, and posted the model + images. Later I found out that the lora was NOT active, so all example images for the lora were a fake

[rough oxide]

i found a repository of like

a lot of images with prompts baked into them

they've been useful for those chars

since they keep them consistent

[ivory pebble]

Don't see anything special there, those look like NAIV2 images let alone v3 😭. The thing about NAI is, the images won't look that good unless you artist tags, I use up to 10 different artists at times and it genuinely looks like real art, as I'm sure some other people who don't use AI would agree with if I showed them

[fluid torrent]

oh btw, 99% of my posted images have the comfyui workflow included, fyi

[rough oxide]

if you have a prompt to share i could test it in anima lol

but in my example

[zinc flax]

That Jotaro looks clean though

[rough oxide]

nai would come up with 1. worse quality char design, 2. no background

etc

[nova remnant]

Elv

[ivory pebble]

The main problem is, like I said before, people just don't know how to mix artists, that's why you see the same typical glossy NAI images with extra highlights. You can do so much more if you actually took the time to experiment with the model

[rough oxide]

but that's a problem of the model itself

that it does that.

animapencil is like RNG style

tons of different styles

u can nail it down to a more specific one with artists too

[zinc flax]

The skill issue with nai v3 is unreal

And they're not pretending

[rough oxide]

nu

[ivory pebble]

It's not a problem, people are just lazy to learn how to use the model. That is literally all there is to it

[rough oxide]

i used nai for like

half a year lol

and i got good results

but a lot of the time i mixed other things in like the vibe transfer

[ivory pebble]

Lemme see some

[rough oxide]

i can get those same results with no init img in animapencil

[nova remnant]

Hmmm but this chat told me that's bad

[rough oxide]

they were all used for work-related purposessss xD except the ones i would've posted here when i was testing

[desert island]

I have an app I slapped together that runs ontop of comfyui but it doesn't save the metadata in the images otherwise I'd totally do that. I really need to figure out how to do that though so I can expand my apps capabilities in the future.

[fluid torrent]

fractal lora activated

[rough oxide]

#🍥｜anime message like these ones when testing diff styles

or this which i still have on my steam profile lol

[ivory pebble]

Those look pretty generic, but I guess you like the anime screencap style so that's fair

[rough oxide]

ye, we established that

to me most things that come out of nai/pony/etc seem generic cuz of how overused those styles r

[ivory pebble]

If I wanted that I'd learn a good artist combo but I personally like something more detailed with softer colors and thin lines

[ivory pebble]

That's why you experiment and you learn new ones

[rough oxide]

i do combine specific artists sometimes for results like this

but if i can get same or better results as i was getting on nai with the same minimal prompting style

[ivory pebble]

That looks like something you'd get out of Pony 😭

[rough oxide]

then i declare this merge betterrr

i literally

can not get pony to do flat colors

like that at all

xD

and pony prompting is even worse than anything else

[rough oxide]

with all the score_X stuff

[zinc flax]

tpony nai

[rough oxide]

it looks more like bunnyspoon

[nova remnant]

lick

[rough oxide]

than wut i posted

[nova remnant]

[rough oxide]

it can't do like

pure flat

[fluid torrent]

just learn to use some general wordings for style, colors and lighting. for example:
(over/under)-saturated
bright colors
dull colors
realistic dark lighting
flat colors
thick (colorful) lines
colorful
backlight
etc

[rough oxide]

but no matter how much u do that, i dun see it coming close to this styleeee

except

[ivory pebble]

I mean that's fair, some people just don't like going through extra trouble to make something, so I understand. However I'd rather go through that extra trouble to then have actual anime images

[rough oxide]

2nd to last one

pony could probly do that

but the like purely anime adjacent ones

except literal anime images are my favorite style xD

and it's taken years for models to reach the point

it can actually do it without like misplaced pixels and looking odd

[nova remnant]

Boring style

[rough oxide]

stuff like nai style has been possible for agesss

[fluid torrent]

try my cute lunar model, its a merge from some older sd15 models. can do pretty cute anime

[fluid torrent]

https://civitai.com/models/569901/cute-lunar

[rough oxide]

not a fan of sd1.5 quality models >_< the only one i could get to do decentish results was like wd1.4 in that era

[ivory pebble]

It hasn't tho, NAI style isn't a thing 😭, what you're referring to is just NAI artist mixes

[rough oxide]

nai style as in, don't add any artist tags or franchise names, do a generic prompt

[fluid torrent]

give me some prompts to try in cute lunar

[zinc flax]

naa i can't even anymore lol

[unkempt cape]

NAI without styles? Might as well go back to anythingv3

lost all values at that point bro

[ivory pebble]

It's like i'm talking to a brick wall 😭, oh well...

[rough oxide]

facedesk lol.

[zinc flax]

LMAO

[rough oxide]

but anyways animapencil has 2000+ artists

and they work fine

[ivory pebble]

Is it really that good? How come no one is talking about it

[zinc flax]

I respect the dedication to burn money to use nai without styles

[rough oxide]

cuz it's a japanese model?

it's talked about on jp discords

[ivory pebble]

Fr, that's like trying to use Pony without the score tags

[unkempt cape]

Everybody model has like a bajillion of styles

do they ever care enough and up the weights so that it actually has any effect?

[ivory pebble]

NAI is mostly popular in Japan as well and everyone knows about it, that's why I'm confused why no one is talking about that model

[rough oxide]

pretty sure most of the people you find will be using a different model than someone else. whenever i view params for an image like no 2 people use the same model

[nova remnant]

This is the one and only nai style

[ivory pebble]

That's another thing people don't realize, you have to mess with the weights on the artist tags otherwise it just won't work, this is also extremely important for NAI

[rough oxide]

it's just not talked about on this disc or touhouai but in the jp discords for sd i'm in it's talked about frequently

[zinc flax]

Which jp discord

[lyric zealot]

so many people today

[unkempt cape]

I'm talking training weights

Like, what's the point of artists tags

if the images can never resemble the actual work

[ivory pebble]

Do you have any images to show? I really wanna see

[rough oxide]

there's a handful of people today

[ivory pebble]

I'd rather not join random discords to see images 😭

[nova remnant]

No, only the ones that like anime "style" are arguing

[unkempt cape]

animagine has styles too

[ivory pebble]

We vibing

[zinc flax]

trust me bro.jpeg

[unkempt cape]

they don't recognize the true best anime helicopter obviously

[fluid torrent]

im just gonna show some sd15 anime images now being created with Cute Lunar

[ivory pebble]

No arguing here, we're just comparing models and what they're capable of

[unkempt cape]

like NAI sauce it's just properly weighted tags bro

and like good dataset

(it's hard to achieve but i'm just saying)

[nova remnant]

Comparing sizes

[rough oxide]

can't provide that link/info;

[nova remnant]

Many moneys

[rough oxide]

but 4lex like, the only real way to compare would be if you shared the same prompt between the two? all your images have no prompt attached

[nova remnant]

[unkempt cape]

capitalism open source

[nova remnant]

Bruh moment every time

Lmao

[zinc flax]

I mean, the comparation wouldn't matter if the other model doesn't recognize the artist style

[unkempt cape]

that's what i did with neta lul

[ivory pebble]

What's interesting is, NAI can actually do a proper black and white background unlike SDXL. They even said they trained their model longer than base SDXL which makes me wonder if they actually changed its architecture to achieve that

[ivory pebble]

Uhhh 🤨

[rough oxide]

it's a near pure animagine xl 3.1 merge, like every model it's merged with has animagine dataset, it knows a lot of artists at least.

[unkempt cape]

unlikely, cause anything had that same world breaking impact too yk and it was the same architecture

[nova remnant]

Isn't that just a vae thing

[unkempt cape]

it's tags weighting, image strategies and blah bleh bloop

[ivory pebble]

I've heard artist tags are fried on animagine, as in they don't replicate the artists quite well

[rough oxide]

the ones i've tried have worked well

[ivory pebble]

Could be, I'm not a tech guy so I have no clue 😭

[unkempt cape]

are they close to the default style?

[zinc flax]

don't mind him lol

[rough oxide]

these are the artists i pull from

[ivory pebble]

He's just a silly cat

[rough oxide]

no, ones with like distinct outlines/line art styles work fine too

[nova remnant]

Sd3 can do the big black colors and people said that it has to do with vae

[ivory pebble]

Makes sense

[unkempt cape]

just tags weighing, images strategies... boom NAI v3 easy non issue
(its a headache for us mortals but you get the point. slapping a dataset and call it a day gets nowhere)

[nova remnant]

I'm the most expert in anime here

[lyric zealot]

stooopid ccat

[unkempt cape]

You're my dinner

[ivory pebble]

Agreed

[lyric zealot]

[ivory pebble]

I think there is a lot more to it than that

[zinc flax]

Bait used to be believable

[desert island]

https://tenor.com/view/mmhmmmhm-mhm-yes-anime-mmhm-anime-sugarkiwi-gif-23535474

[nova remnant]

Huge things behind the model

[ivory pebble]

It's their "secret sauce" they mentioned before, not sure whether that means their H100 cluster was the problem solver or if it's something that actually has to do with the model training

[unkempt cape]

"..." i had that for a reason lol. But no I don't believe it screwed with architecture

[ivory pebble]

Booba

[unkempt cape]

They know as well as SAI does like atmost

[rough oxide]

can't wait for a month to pass and for naiv3 to be forgotten in comparison to wdv ;_;

[zinc flax]

pretty much copium until there are more previews lol

[unkempt cape]

and I doubt SAI would change the architecture for a random model, like if so, they should not be dying rn

[unkempt cape]

boy i wish

[nova remnant]

What's wdv

[unkempt cape]

anything just anything

[lyric zealot]

almost certain that's not gonna happen, but i wish

[rough oxide]

wdv0.9/ppa looks kinda decent though

[unkempt cape]

wdv, ani 4, neta 3 just anything