🍥｜anime

[untold glacier]

Really, all of the examples lol. Just look at this.

[nova remnant]

interesting... but yeah im checking out those models you listed

[stable crane]

seems OK-ish

nagatoro has a small head

iirc

[untold glacier]

A couple highlights. NekoXL Nsfw Mix v1a, BrightProtoNuke, and NekorayXL v0.6-w3

[keen hollow]

nice job yume... should pin those posts

[untold glacier]

Thanks. In time this will become outdated--there's always more researching, testing, and comparison to do. But there's a surprising amount of actual fully anime style gens you can get from current trained SDXL models.

[nova remnant]

some people are gonna be surprised at first glance

and this is the sort of quality lcm pumps

[keen hollow]

I may have to download some of these

[nova remnant]

o:

these look good

[keen hollow]

ugh... never enough disk space

[untold glacier]

Tell me about it, haha.

[keen hollow]

got a terabyte drive dedicated to friggin SD and it's got like 90 gigs left

[untold glacier]

I'm a lot less strict about deleting old gens that I'll never go back to or use again than I use to be, so I should probably clear a lot of mine out as well.

I really want to keep the more stylized or unique pics though, and it's hard to know where to stop when keeping them.

[keen hollow]

models are the real space hog 😄

but yeah my generations... oof

probably about 10 gigs

[untold glacier]

I dunno man. My SDXL gen output folder is already 3GB and I've only been genning things with it for the last few days.

[nova remnant]

i delete all my renders every day

those i wanna keep i upload them all to tumblr

and some i want to save for prompt i upload them to google drive

[untold glacier]

Haven't heard that name in a while

[nova remnant]

and my ssd stays clear

[untold glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/starwars-obi-wan-now-thats-a-name-ive-not-heard-in-along-time-gif-11814407

[keen hollow]

putting 'em on cloud is a good idea

[nova remnant]

oh tumblr is pretty useful

[keen hollow]

i feel like tumblr's days are numbered

[nova remnant]

very media oriented, you can upload all kinds of media files

[keen hollow]

I was pretty good about curating my gens for a while, and keeping them categorized in folders

but like, i look back at early gens now versus higher quality stuff later, and... oof

but I still want to keep it because it reminds me of the journey or something

then I had a phase where I was keeping too much

[nova remnant]

omnia i have pre adetailer images uploaded to tumblr lol, they are all staying

[keen hollow]

then I had a phase where I was putting stuff into "to sort" folders

[untold glacier]

Would you say... you're currently mid-journey?

[keen hollow]

so... sigh...

[keen hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/csi-yeah-david-caruso-csi-miami-gif-21597107

[untold glacier]

I still have these

I have multiple on multiple drives

[keen hollow]

welcome to the club

AI Hoarders

[nova remnant]

smell like SBF

[wispy canopy]

OMG -> IF_prompt_mkr is amazing 😮

[keen hollow]

what's if prompt mkr?

[wispy canopy]

https://github.com/if-ai/IF_prompt_MKR

basically, connects to your local LLM (oobabooga) and then submits your prompt, so the llm agent will fancy-fy your prompt

[steady grail]

@wooden coral @dull jackal

[wispy canopy]

girl reading a book in an abstract location between heaven and hell

non anime, but it gets so much more natural feeling images 😮

[keen hollow]

hmm... i see

[wispy canopy]

i'm using zephyr 7b in CPU mode

it's light and speedy enough to run that way, so you have your vram still available for SD

[keen hollow]

can't you just use like... bing?

seems like a lot of overhead to write a prompt

[keen hollow]

shameless re-share of my two image programs I use frequently when culling images, or looking across image metadata quickly:
https://github.com/GarlicCookie/PNG-SD-Info-Viewer and https://github.com/GarlicCookie/SD-Quick-View

[wispy canopy]

i can upscale natively 🙂

[keen hollow]

i mean just for text output for your prompts

[keen hollow]

ill give it a try

[bitter latch]

there thats better

[keen hollow]

let's see what a bing prompt outputs...

[keen hollow]

couple more, then i gotta go do some stuff

let's see what bing can come up with for prompts...

[nova remnant]

a girl standing in pose before a scenic mountain view, wide angle, orange sky

[untold glacier]

Don't fall.

[nova remnant]

8 steps

[near elbow]

nice research, thanks!
TBVH for my own purposes there is no need of an anime specific SDXL model at all.
I get all the anime I want from realisticfreedom SDXL which is universal. "flat 2d cel shaded studio ghibli" gives the traditional anime look, just prompting, and the SDXL style selector with "anime" does a great job as well.
The only use case for a specialized SDXL anime model IMHO is either specific characters that the normal SDXL model does not recognize, or ... kinky explicit situations and postures that normal SDXL does not provide.
We can try a mini challenge "can your model generate this look" - my gut feeling is that non-anime SDXL covers >90% of all SFW cases

[supple raptor]

Rip... You missed Kohaku-XL. Gonna have to redo the whole thing now.

[dull jackal]

This is cute! I love prompting fashion--tons of fun.

[nova remnant]

Yushinero this is a Christian server no kissing allowed

[brittle jay]

should have pinged me just to be safe

[nova remnant]

anyone tried dpm adaptive with lcm lora?

they seem to go well together

[untold glacier]

Hmm. Maybe, but it seems like it has the same wide-face problem as many other SDXL "anime" models that I disqualified for the same reason. I'll run it through the gamut as well.

[untold glacier]

Here are some examples that are unattainable with many (if not all) SDXL models currently. Anime itself is a wide variety of art styles and aesthetics, and if it's not a model that is trained specifically to work within the bounds of what makes anime, "Anime" then it's very easy to stray into the uncanny valley of anime-like--where anyone can tell that such models' gens have a strangeness or a western/comic-book/cartoon quality to it. The biggest indicator in my eyes is the shape of the face, then the eyes. This is especially important when using LoRAs, as if the LoRA isn't based around anime, it will easily overpower such stylistic prompting to gen only photoreal or western art.

In short, with prompting it's far easier to break out of the style of anime than it is to break in. And that's why anime-centric models are so important.

[untold glacier]

Who the heck is "Yushinero"? Lol

[untold glacier]

I don't like pinging people unless I have a specific reason, and I'm also not a fan of mass pings in general.

[nova remnant]

Smh my head your name is hard what can I do

[brittle jay]

I like pings that are actually meant for me

every time

it is like a dopamine hit

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1038787114520817768/1164956778367303780/uncaption.gif?ex=6545198b&is=6532a48b&hm=8c58d0f6e6dea2f20b510a306b4cd4b2beb9b5c702769a02557d779e31941a5c&

[wispy canopy]

if_prompt_MKR is awesome. a weird looking creature swinging the banhammer -> LLM(automated) -> Image

[nova remnant]

when using LCM LoRA, DPM Adaptive gave the best results... but some older models may not have the right compatiblity

one note about DPM Adaptive is that it can be fukin slow

[nova remnant]

DPM++ 2M SDE Karras works much faster than DPM Adaptive and also DPM++2M SDE Karras doesn't generate as much crappy anomaly as DPM++ 2M Karras

those using LCM

[drowsy dove]

Is it possible to use TensorRT and LCM at the same time?

[nova remnant]

i think you can since LCM is just a LoRA you use

if tensort RT supports LoRA why not

somone at reddit says you can only use one LoRA at a time with tensor RT

[keen hollow]

haha thanks, all i did was click the generate button. 😛 I'm sure I could come up with some more fashion ones though!

[drowsy dove]

Even without LCM, some of these samplers seem to be pretty competent with 8 steps

[keen hollow]

today's Tifa

[native halo]

where the girls

https://tenor.com/view/discord-who-asked-me-looking-for-who-asked-travolta-meme-travolta-confused-gif-27133622

[keen hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/golden-girls-betty-white-high-five-gif-16700348

these girls?

[native halo]

https://tenor.com/view/rjumen-laugh-man-cool-nice-perfect-gif-23675313

[keen hollow]

bonus Tifa

[nova remnant]

imagine when science can reverse aging and retain peak vitality

and then we'll count age by life experiences, not physical decay

[nova remnant]

@native halo Is this (large landscape:1.4) better ?

[native halo]

i like massive environments

[cyan burrow]

Viva La Dirt League is the best youtube channel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRd3y_xb9KU

[cyan burrow]

spiderwoman porn parody

[nova remnant]

i know what you are thinking but this is not it

this is just a gorgeous girl in spidy costume

[native halo]

come to my room instead i have plushies

[nova remnant]

scary

[nova remnant]

lewud

[stable crane]

I like her roof, ngl

[nova remnant]

lmao I forgot to take the crazy background prompt @native halo

[native halo]

needs more plushies

crazy background + detail lora set at 2 then cd tuner set to max for more plushies

[nova remnant]

what does cd tuner do

[native halo]

its for latent manipulation like color,darkness,or more detail

[nova remnant]

@native halo is this enough

[native halo]

moar 🌚

[nova remnant]

I'll try

Maximum power

[nova remnant]

@native halo Are these enough for you to grab

[native halo]

yes i wanna grab

🫳

[zinc flax]

Huh

[cyan burrow]

I don't think those underwear are appropriate for here

[granite shell]

no problem chief, didnt know 🙂

[cyan burrow]

no worries, it's always a fine line somewhere 😛

[zinc flax]

Very lewd

[native halo]

its ok hes gone now you may rest now

💊

[granite shell]

am i

[granite shell]

ill just not share lewd here lol, but the booba led me astray... as always.

[native halo]

https://tenor.com/view/full-metal-panic-anime-fumoffu-gif-13091153

[nova remnant]

Just in case, you should send the image to me in dm so I can check it myself

[granite shell]

man of culture

[cyan burrow]

I mean usually "sexy" is fine but anything like suggestive or sexual and such might lead to mods or the autoscanning bot into taking action

not that you'd be banned the first time it happens unless you were like spamming actual pornography, but still

[granite shell]

right, sexy and sexual is such a fine line 😛

[cyan burrow]

it can be yeah

[native halo]

you are now banned from r/animereddit

[cyan burrow]

you reddit mod

[native halo]

yes im a mod at r/worldnews (official)

[granite shell]

i dont think its lude but ill just put spoiler on everything LOL, makes life easier.

[cyan burrow]

no that's fine

[native halo]

needs more muscles

[granite shell]

i agree

[cyan burrow]

bewbs

I don't discriminate with bewbs

as long as there are horns and elf ears

[nova remnant]

Non blonde elves?

Yukmrefhiiroo

[cyan burrow]

hey don't be waicist to knife ears

[native halo]

i heard Celestine Lucullus is blonde and elve u should try to create her

[cyan burrow]

I'll try to make Lamiata blonde

[untold glacier]

New V2 Anime Comparison, thanks to @supple raptor 's suggestion to look at Kohaku, I took some time and looked at the major players and have given the ranking and comparison a thorough review and revamp. SDXL Anime models are better... and worse than I thought.

Take a look at the new model ranking here: #🍥｜anime message

>>>Actual previewable grid comparison here>>> #🍥｜anime message

@brittle jay Here's your dopamine. @near elbow I looked at your suggested model, and further reviewed the rest and more. Thanks for the suggestions. @keen hollow Since you expressed interest in downloading some, here's the latest and more accurate of what's available out there now. @stable crane You might really enjoy Kohaku. It's like EndlessBard but much, much better. @nova remnant Blue pencil is the bomb. Thanks for suggesting it.

Darn, the half-size is still too big to preview. Lemme see if I can scale it back more.

[cyan burrow]

hmmmm wonder why my lora's only show like 5 or 6 out of the 20 I have

and I know it's not a compatibility issue with version

[cyan burrow]

ok now it might be working

even though no compatibility issue, it still doesn't show up unless I tell it to show despite compatibility issue

[untold glacier]

Here's the latest preview. It's pretty small, so I'd recommend viewing the half size #🍥｜anime message
Or full size versions: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1sI97oyvK5pnn49BtQI-N99e3XpjYOLu-/view?usp=drive_link

[cyan burrow]

of what?

I mean Lora or Model?

[untold glacier]

You talking to me?

[cyan burrow]

Hmmm I think the latest nvidia driver might have slowed auto1111 down

[cyan burrow]

yeah

[stable crane]

I will check out both blue pencil and kohaku

[untold glacier]

SDXL Anime models. If you follow the discord links in my posts, you'll find more info.

[cyan burrow]

ah

cool

[stable crane]

though I can't get nekoray to look as good as you did it @untold glacier

[native halo]

now u only need to make so it doesnt run like poop,transfer the thousands of loras to xl and make it training cheap so ppl can finally switch

https://tenor.com/view/lucky-star-anime-konata-izumi-computer-desktop-gif-14835314

[untold glacier]

Generally CFG of 4-5, very sentence-based natural language prompting, and sometimes using FreeU. That and Adetailer/Face detailer helps bring it through the final stretch--though some models on the list don't need it sometimes.

I'll be honest, many of those prompts were made with the help of my prompting card I made for my LLM. Just edited afterwards. Descriptive language is great to inspire the SDXL models.

[cyan burrow]

oh they introduced tensorrt and suddenly things slow down

[stable crane]

omg I already made 1.22gb of comfyui pics

because it saves in PNG

gotta get a compressed format soon

ran out of drive space again

[untold glacier]

Yeah...

[cyan burrow]

so nobody else having those issues?

[untold glacier]

I had to download all these models to test them. So much space

[untold glacier]

"those issues?" To what are you referring?

[cyan burrow]

a no would be equally helpful

I've been saying it several times :<

[native halo]

no u prob have them because u installed tensor rt

[untold glacier]

I've been having my own convos, bud.

[cyan burrow]

since the latest nvidia updates where they patched in tensor rt my generations have been very slow

[native halo]

stick with the stable nvidia driver for sd for now

[cyan burrow]

I dont know what ones that is

[native halo]

536.23

[supple raptor]

No problems on latest drivers for me

[cyan burrow]

and I wanted the latest driver for gaming -.-

@supple raptor what gpu?

[untold glacier]

I haven't seen any issues with my generation speed, but I've been using SDXL through comfy. I should be up to date with the latest drivers so

[supple raptor]

3080 12gb

[cyan burrow]

hmmn

well I dont have issues through comfy

but I do through auto

[untold glacier]

Wait. I'm not up to date. I downloaded but haven't installed it yet.

[cyan burrow]

meh tensorrt isnt a separate install

[supple raptor]

546.01 added the ability to disable sysmem fallback on a per app basis. Disable that for python and it will stop using sysmem/pagefile everytime you get close to using all of your vram. Just have to be a little more careful of your settings because you will get OoM if you actually run out.

[cyan burrow]

I dunno what that means for me

[native halo]

if u have enough vram update if u dont stick with 536.23

[cyan burrow]

what's "enough" ?

[supple raptor]

update either way

[native halo]

maybe around 12gb

i dont update otherwise i get oom

[supple raptor]

There's no downside to the latest driver.

[cyan burrow]

ok but getting two contradicting suggestions just confuses the situation more for me 😛

[native halo]

well we dont know what gpu u have

[untold glacier]

Trust the guy who knows what he's talking about, lol.

[native halo]

yea trust the official moderator from stability ai

[cyan burrow]

and do I add python or automatic or what do I do?

[supple raptor]

just don't disable sysmem fallback and it will continue to work the same way it does with 536.23, but you'll also have the updates for games.

[cyan burrow]

what moderator?

[native halo]

oh yea prob will update when i play 😬

[native halo]

whats your gpu tho

[cyan burrow]

3070 ti

[native halo]

yea then update

[cyan burrow]

I cant find sysmem

but I did update

and its since then my gens take 15-20 mins per image (1.5)

rather than 5-10 seconds

[native halo]

maybe u have that sysme fallback setting enabled

[cyan burrow]

ah there the sysmem is

it just says default

what's default?

[native halo]

here https://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5490/~/system-memory-fallback-for-stable-diffusion

u need to add python tru nvidia control panel then change that setting

[cyan burrow]

Yes but what's default? I'm guessing default is on?

[native halo]

i guess so 😬

[cyan burrow]

turned it off on python.exe

[supple raptor]

yes, default is for everything to fallback to sysmem if possible.

[cyan burrow]

wonder if that will fix it

how frustrating that drivers can break things so much

Still working on getting it working, now other things are bugging out lol

[brittle jay]

Let's go

Kahuku looking good

[cyan burrow]

doyeah immediately out of memory....

fuck it, I'm rolling back drivers

[native halo]

😵

try to restart pc first

[brittle jay]

And also blue pencil

[cyan burrow]

Hmmmm I don't think I have a pagefile

ahah no I do

then what didnt I have

oom again, so yeah didnt fix

[nova remnant]

what are you trying to fix?

[native halo]

OOM 😵

[cyan burrow]

sorry cba to go through it all

no I'm not trying to fix oom

oom was the result of the "fix"

[nova remnant]

oh.. but i have no idea what OOM is

[native halo]

if all else fails go back to 536.23

[nova remnant]

thought you are having issues with driver

were

[cyan burrow]

It likely is

[nova remnant]

im glad i got LCM to work on my settings, i've been having fun

and i didnt even have to install any extension for it

also the quality of the renders are amazing at low steps

oh and i found DPM++ 2M SDE Karras whole lot better than 2m karras

[cyan burrow]

I don't think I need to go back that far, I need those updates for games. But probably 37 or so

[nova remnant]

2m karras was crapping anomalies render after render with LCM

[cyan burrow]

ok October 10 driver it is

thats the last one before TensorRT

[nova remnant]

not sure... the latest one i have is 546.01 and its an improvement after initial tensort rt driver release

[cyan burrow]

quite obviously not for me

dont know why

[nova remnant]

check mark perform clean install maybe that might fix your issue

that would reset all previous settings

[cyan burrow]

Thank you but I know, I'm not a grandpa

[native halo]

that was the last stable driver for SD before the recent update where they claim they fixed the system memory

[cyan burrow]

we'll see

[native halo]

you could try with different versions to see which one works better for u

takes a lot of time to test tho

[native halo]

theres also 536.99 https://www.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/15tivro/which_nvidia_drivers_for_stable_diffusion/

[near elbow]

thanks a lot for going through that effort, cool stuff - and i see where the subtleties are, i'm no big anime expert so most of it looks good enough to me 😉 but this is very interesting

[nova remnant]

It is sleep times

Good byes

[wispy canopy]

fire elemental!

[wispy canopy]

oof #idol-reality

[maiden rose]

very pretty

[supple raptor]

Thanks for testing! @untold glacier Seems like a pretty good spread of prompts for the test too. Nekoray, Kohaku, and Bluepencil are my favorites here.

[wispy canopy]

i should make an anime mix of my model xD

my model best anime model... oh wait, my model just best at keeping coherent when you want weird shit 😛

bartender of the future!

[cyan burrow]

"your mechabod is nicer than mine, bitch!"

I remember making these like almost a year ago

maybe I should reroll them

[cyan burrow]

maybe she could have hands

[wispy canopy]

that seems like an SD image from the really early days

[cyan burrow]

it is

around december-january

bah still slow even if I rolled back drivers...Wonder what's wrong. Do I really have to uninstall all of python, conda etc then reinstall it?

[native halo]

if u rolled back drivers u probably have to delete venv folder and also do a pip cache purge

[cyan burrow]

Ok I changed something in settings

now it got faster

the prompt is still a bit fubar with new models etc

but somehow I fixed it, I dont know what I did

but I did

[cyan burrow]

what do you think? 😛

maybe I try to break it again

[native halo]

i say delete the venv and let it regenerate it again

[cyan burrow]

but why?

it works now

[native halo]

well if it aint broke then dont fix it

[cyan burrow]

yeah I kinda just wanna find out what was wrong, but at least it works again and this is the result of the evolution, horrible. I need to tweak the prompt

[native halo]

what driver did u install

[cyan burrow]

october 16th

slightly updated prompt, still working on it though

oi @wispy canopy what's your prompt?

say in DM if you dont want it public 😛

[wispy canopy]

for the bartender girl?

ah. forbidden words in there

imma dm u

[cyan burrow]

using 3 steps creates some gorgeous art that I can trick people with

[cyan burrow]

I think I will ultimately clean out python etc from my computer and auto etc and reinstall it all from scratch

[cyan burrow]

hmmmm quest 3 in stock again at store

I'm really rather tempted, esp for like flying games with combat

[cyan burrow]

is that what anime girls look like under the skin?

[cyan burrow]

@wispy canopy somewhat augmented bartender

[wispy canopy]

^^

very nice

[cyan burrow]

I still feel this sensation of being cheap when I render something and people say "nice" and all I did was really write a prompt

not like I spent 20 hours on it

in which case I could feel proud of having it complimented :p

oh maybe I should get a hold of the latest fast and furious movies I haven't seen and the mission impossible ones

[wispy canopy]

still, it's a visually pleasing image, that exists today, because of your combined efforts!

[cyan burrow]

oh that's just two Mission Impossible movies...Fallout and Dead Reckoning

[cyan burrow]

alright, found em all

[stable crane]

nice

[pure oyster]

Importing the tag list from danbooru links gives decent stuff.

[wispy canopy]

these are very artistical ❤️

[wooden coral]

Found that Lora and had to try

[wispy canopy]

ah. i fcked up

did something in reverse

[nova remnant]

feet bad but cool otherwise

@wispy canopy hewo

[wispy canopy]

gonna do some blast from the past too -> elemental lancing steel deadeye

because... fck the rules

[nova remnant]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/493156996644864001/1119657422324240445/shocked_i_tell_you_flabbergasted.gif

[wispy canopy]

wanted to give lancing steel returning projectiles a go

i have to say, with the 15% chance to gain 200 life on hit is kinda strong with lancing steel

[nova remnant]

thats 30 on hit

very good indeed

[wispy canopy]

those leading up are 10/hit too, so the life gain on hit in total is crazy good, but we knew lancing steeel does incredible with on hit stuff

[cyan burrow]

I wonder if nvidia will sell the "Super" cards cheaper'

and stop charging 700+ dollars for mid range

[nova remnant]

which super ones

[merry tendon]

tell me your secrets

[cyan burrow]

they will just be called Super

[wet belfry]

sdxl socks?

I like socks! They awesome!

[autumn violet]

Cat

[near elbow]

yum!

[autumn violet]

Were you trying to get a loaf cat?

Bread cat would eat you first

[near elbow]

oh yes 🙂

[autumn violet]

Oh my goodness

[near elbow]

we resume our normal broadcast. move along, nothing to see above 🙂

more ghibli style

and off to kitsune we go

see? all forgotten about that bread already

well...

rainbow baguette samurai kitsune?

steampunk edition

[distant tangle]

🍞

[near elbow]

all your bread are belong to us!

yum

supercool 🙂
(this is with SDXL)

she doesn't care 🙂

that was with studio ghibli flat 2d style in the prompt

back to more vanilla style

ok, adding gundam mecha to the prompt, no more face issues 🙂

enough madness for now 🙂

[nova remnant]

like "Super 5000" ? huh

If it is 5000 even, haven't seen news about them

[cyan burrow]

no like the 2000 series

they had first 2070 (for example) when 2070 ti, then 2070 super

or something

[nova remnant]

hm

[cyan burrow]

anyone reocgnize this 😛 I had to make this

every other youtube video uses it

[steady grail]

obama?

[cyan burrow]

uh no

just a random dude but it's used a lot

[steady grail]

oh ok

[cyan burrow]

a ton of youtube videos now are written by AI and narrated by AI

[steady grail]

i hardly distinguish english voices

[cyan burrow]

it's fucking stupid

for example they take a few volumes of a light novel and feed it into an AI and ask the AI to create a detailed synopsis in a story telling way

[steady grail]

i should write a novel about bananas and make a youtube channel about it

[cyan burrow]

the AI writes it

then thetext is fed into audio AI

it generates a voice

then that is fed into an automated edit that grabs images and such, manga or whatever that it think fits

and then they upload it and make money

zero effort

[steady grail]

seriously

holy bananas

[bitter latch]

there we gooooo

ok more anime

always comes back to miku doesn't it?

done with banana's?

takes a nap

[native halo]

real holy banana

[nova remnant]

some youtubers getting oopyright strkes for ai content

and if you get 3 strikes your channel is taken down

as it so happens insightface, behind roop and reactor, striken a youtuber and he was talking about it on his channel

but funny how this works out... while insightface didn't want to keep any restriction in use policy but youtuber is also monetizing his video

[native halo]

im rdy

[steady grail]

how the f you apply a copyright on a new generate image?

[nova remnant]

simplest and straight forward answers .. Capitalism

[steady grail]

yeah, but how legally you justify it? just because i draw something that looks like with the style of an artist, i get copyrighted?

is not legally possible to copyright a style

[nova remnant]

you have to attack capitalist system, pursuing everything else will simply go in vain

[steady grail]

well yes, but the capitalism follow some rules, even the capitalists need rules

[nova remnant]

rules built around capitalist system are exploitative

[steady grail]

yeah, but still need boundaries that makes sense

[nova remnant]

right but not within this system

[steady grail]

lol

[nova remnant]

there are alternative activists are thinking about

like RBE

but that's not internationally agreed upon yet

[steady grail]

rbe?

[nova remnant]

yeah resource based economy

[steady grail]

that BS too

[nova remnant]

why?

[steady grail]

10 familes have the control of 99.9 % of world resources

[nova remnant]

what

[steady grail]

yep

[nova remnant]

thats not RBE

[steady grail]

but you base the economy on the natural resources, you give the control of the economy in the hand of these famies

and nothing will changes

[nova remnant]

no you dont

it needs lengthy explanation and im playing with checkpoints atm lol

[steady grail]

eheheh

[nova remnant]

there are some resources online you could look up .. let me dm you a link

[steady grail]

i just finished implementing ip andapter on my comfy workflow

my god

go on

i will read about it tomorrow, now i'm mentally exhausted

[nova remnant]

sent

sure anytime you read is ok

[steady grail]

nighty night

[nova remnant]

nite

[nova remnant]

nice to see lot of authors are releasing newer models on SD 1.5

[native halo]

its cheap to train unlike xl 💸

[nova remnant]

yeah

also i like the quality a lot too

how can you not like these qualities they are generating with sd 1.5

this is called Niji style?

isn't niji from mid journey?

and this image looks more like anime to me

[native halo]

niji style is more saturated

[nova remnant]

can you show an example?

[nova remnant]

oh man

i like SD version better

sharper and accentuated

[native halo]

yea niji has a certain saturated style with lots of bloom and a soft light

[nova remnant]

ok

i was kind of focusing on facial attribute only

people not using LCM sounds odd to me

LCM works on all UI and versions

[drowsy dove]

I have some troubles with it, it fails with some samplers

[native halo]

it works better with lcm sampler and a111 doesnt have it yet on main branch thats prob why

[nova remnant]

i have a workable fix for you

no ... not only LCM sampler

i ve tested it

DPM++ 2M SDE Karras compliments LCM nicely

i spent whole day yesterday fiddling with samplers

i was using 2M Karras ealier and i've found that kind of creates unexpected deformity, but SDE karras works much better

[nova remnant]

you could try rendering with DPM++ 2M SDE Karras

this LCM technology is more usable than Tensor RT

about LCM low steps, cfg you might need to adjust the Adetailer to use its default own sampling steps and CFG for proper face correction but that wont compromise your LCM speed

adetailer

[drowsy dove]

The only thing that saddens me is that 12 GB seems too little for TensorRT + LoRA, it always fail with out of memory when I try to add the LoRA

[nova remnant]

i think you are limited to 1 lora when using tesnor rt

[drowsy dove]

I wasn't able to even achieve that yet

[nova remnant]

the technical method with tensor rt is limiting

and its weird that we have to create huge profiles for each model we use

tesnor rt wont evolve the way it's programmed to work

[stable crane]

we need GPUs with more VRAM

[pure oyster]

Rizzruto

no loras btw

[native halo]

there are plenty of those what is lackin is money 💸

[stable crane]

I got money but I don't have justification

[nova remnant]

lot of devs are having that exact issue with budget

does renaming a lora break it?

[native halo]

no

[stable crane]

but you will mess with your historical prompts when you view them and try to re-run them

[keen hollow]

cool, thanks for sharing the update

[nova remnant]

adetailer not using any separate steps or cfg, its using the default lcm settings- steps 8, cfg 2

this one with separate adetailer values for steps and cfg .. steps 25, cfg 7

easier comparison side by side

[keen hollow]

which one do you like better?

[nova remnant]

i like the right one with separate param

had bit more detail to it

[keen hollow]

right on

[nova remnant]

i also lowered the default adetailer denoise from 0.4 to 0.3

[keen hollow]

i'm over here trying to have Tifa battle Darth Vader...

[keen hollow]

quiet tonight

[keen hollow]

nice mountain

[nova remnant]

she is actually bathing in cloud .......
Beautiful girl, sun-bathing on floating clouds, flowy hair, detailed face, thick clouds in the background

i get very different result with other models

[nova remnant]

keeping context to prompt varies a lot from model to model, which is kinda weird

[keen hollow]

yay people!

whatcha doin'

[nova remnant]

im eating chocolates and playing with checkpoints lol

[supple raptor]

I'm just making depressed koishi while I wait for friends to get on to play Remnant 2.

[nova remnant]

i see thats a free game, not even buy to play?

hard to find good games that are not commercial

only game i play is guildwars2 and that is b2p

[keen hollow]

what's a depressed koishi?

[nova remnant]

sequence of words in a prompt matters in the output you generate

i prompted white bikini before flowy hair and that was making her hair white too, but swtiching white bikini after flowy hair makes her hair brown

[keen hollow]

that cutoff extension might help

[nova remnant]

whats that?

[keen hollow]

https://github.com/hnmr293/sd-webui-cutoff

[nova remnant]

im not using BREAK tho, for preferential reason

[nova remnant]

checking ty

[native halo]

try to gen a giant girl vs a tiny whale in ocean

[keen hollow]

ill try

[nova remnant]

omnia this looks very interesting

[keen hollow]

give it a whirl

[nova remnant]

going to install and give it a test run

[untold glacier]

The reasons for that can be found in this enlightening "guide" on civitai. Do be warned that the images the guy uses to illustrate his point can be nsfw, because of course it is on civitai. https://civitai.com/articles/983/insights-for-intermediates-how-to-craft-the-images-you-want-with-a1111
If you just search "Understanding term position and weights", it'll lead you to the section that talks about exactly what you're referring to.
The gist of what it is, is: "The position of a term in your prompt carries significant "weight" on its own. This positional weight is sometimes enough to overpower other weights in your prompt. If you find you are having a difficult time trying to get Stable Diffusion to respect your weights, try shifting terms around instead."

[nova remnant]

thanks will take a look, im not using weights tho

[untold glacier]

Weight in this context refers to the position of the tokens in your prompt. There is such weight in all SD generations regardless of the implementation.

[nova remnant]

just installed cutoff

ahh ok

bookmarked that page, its going to take a while to read the whole explanation,right now im testing the cutoff ext, its pretty cool what it does

this ext should be archived in must have extensions

Beautiful girl, with red hair, upper body, flowy hair, in white bikini, bathing in foamy clouds, thick silver clouds in the background, dynamic pose.

didnt have to use BREAK

[native halo]

my 3 hands

[nova remnant]

im getting interesting variations with 1024x512x

this model seems to like the extra space to put things into perspectives

if anyone wanna use it as a wallpaper :p

think i should try w/o LCM lora for larger images

noticeable difference in image quality/ texture

[granite shell]

@nova remnant what prompts are you using for the christmas themes?

[nova remnant]

a beautiful blonde girl with blue eyes, wearing santa hat and white negligee, standing next to a decorated christmas tree, in a living room, with colorful gift boxes on the floor.

[granite shell]

thanks! o7

[nova remnant]

i should try with higher steps for hires fix

[nova remnant]

negligee might generate nsfw ... you could try with white nightgown

[granite shell]

its okay i am pro nsfw 😛

[nova remnant]

lol ok

this model im using treats nightgown with more classy touch :p

and i used hires fix steps 15 while LCM sampling steps set to 8

[nova remnant]

im seriously wondering if i should use LCM now ....

this is w/o LCM

textures are far different from LCM outputs

[supple raptor]

Nah it's a full paid AAA game. It's a 3rd person shooter soulslike

[supple raptor]

Koishi is this Touhou character

[magic wave]

Those hands

[nova remnant]

the first version of remnant is free?

[supple raptor]

it was a lucky gen

[magic wave]

O, those still aren't too bad tho

[supple raptor]

I'm not sure, When I played it, that one was paid too, but it's possible they could have made it free though.

[nova remnant]

i see google results are showing its free .Remnant: From the Ashes is Free on the Epic Games Store.

quick question... when using hires fix should that be half of the sampler sampling steps?

cause earlier i was using 30 sampling steps and 10 hi res steps

[native halo]

i tried with 100 steps and it added too many details it went deformed

[nova remnant]

100 hi res steps?

[native halo]

yea

[supple raptor]

I like 20 sampling steps and 15 hires steps. Could probably go a little lower on the hires steps without much quality loss, but it feels like a good balance.

[nova remnant]

omigosh

[granite shell]

i used 15

[native halo]

i just stick with 10 or 15

[granite shell]

lol

[supple raptor]

That's with 2M Karras. Some other samplers may need more. Not many will get by with less.

[nova remnant]

what is your use case betwee 10 and 15

[granite shell]

omfg i did the nvidia driver fix and now im generating so much faster...

[native halo]

i like flat colors with no texture so i stay with 10

[nova remnant]

im trying out DPM ++ 2M SDE Karras, think i will switch from 10 hi res to 15 hires

[nova remnant]

got it thanks, that explain my situation for what i want

[granite shell]

has anyone gotten inpaint to actually fix hands

[native halo]

yes when i draw a good hand on top

[granite shell]

bruh LOL

[supple raptor]

3 options for better hands from inpainting ordered from easiest to most effective:

1. switch inpaint mode to "fill" instead of "original" and increase the padding area to provide more context.
2. use controlnet with a hand depth map positioned correctly
3. manually fix the hand then inpaint on "original" mode with low denoising to better match the style.

[native halo]

there are some hands that cannot be fixed

[granite shell]

looks perfect

[supple raptor]

yeah, starting from bad hands and trying to inpaint them with "original" is hopeless because the AI is just adding noise to the bad image and trying to re-denoise it to get a different result, but the bad result is still influencing it. "Fill" mode works better in that situation.

[granite shell]

cool thanks

[zinc flax]

Or maybe try specific hand poses

[granite shell]

i dont usually have hand isues in the first place.

this one came out amazing though T.T

[native halo]

i just go with this pose no hands no fix

[zinc flax]

arms behind head is always the answer

[vestal crypt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1027429244478955530/1173877147203534898/IMG_7918.png?ex=65658d49&is=65531849&hm=5b98b497c3c3bd7af4cc5f064e78d792580e5d7c3814e0eefb52c2c68a679ddd&

[nova remnant]

hands behind head, armpit

[native halo]

we need more armpits here

[zinc flax]

So true

[nova remnant]

kinda worked, wanted a mountain on top of something fancy

is it meaningful to use hires steps of 15 when using 8 sampling steps?

[nova remnant]

I don't notice a difference between 10 and 20

Hires steps

[nova remnant]

im at a point of giving up on LCM

especially when rendering large images LCM compromises on quality

[nova remnant]

Is it really bad ?

no, not horrible but if you compare what you could have instead then its something to be bothered about lol

i think its necessary to be picky about image textures

@native halo

[nova remnant]

What you mean by texture exactly

Like those cats before?

the detail

since LCM works with very low steps, it's yet to be perfected for the amount of detail it can produce

Can you use restart with it?

and most of the models before LCM are not trained in that pattern

you can use any samplers

some work different than other but all works

Have you tried restart?

yes

i like DPM++ 2M SDE Karras better than the rest

here is a wallpaper for you

Would wallpaper her

she has good hands too

and the right size for desktop pc

a beautiful girl with blonde hair and blue eyes, wearing santa hat, santa costume, and white tights, standing next to a decorated christmas tree, in living room, with colorful gift boxes on the floor

hires fix 10 and 15, can you tell the difference?

let me show 3 images from 10 15 20

and you are spot on .. there is not much diference between 10 and 20 .. and 15 adds little bit noise

[zinc flax]

lewd

[nova remnant]

is there any active project to overcome spaghetti fingers?

[supple raptor]

NAIDv3 seems to show that SDXL is capable of pretty reliably good hands, now we just have to hope someone with the means will figure out how to do so on an open source model.

The people currently working on WDXL are putting in a ton of work actually preparing the dataset this time around, so I have hope that we'll see something worthwhile from them eventually.

[supple raptor]

Current talks are that they may train a 1.5 model with the new improved dataset once everything is ready since hyperparameters are better understood for 1.5 so they can test the dataset there before moving on to XL training.

[nova remnant]

that's exciting to hear 🙂

[granite shell]

8 sampling steps? sorry im a scrub, whats the difference between high and low? i was told to use around 40-50 lol

[nova remnant]

well im using LCM LoRA which is a new method of rendering images with decent quality with very low steps and cfg

[granite shell]

ahh i see

[nova remnant]

https://huggingface.co/latent-consistency/lcm-lora-sdv1-5

its an easy process to get it working

basically you download the LoRA and put that in LoRA folder and use it like any other LoRA with preferably 0.2-0.3 weight on a1111

[zinc flax]

Huh, interesting

[granite shell]

i havent touched loras yet

[nova remnant]

i don't use a lot of LoRA either, i just use 3 essentials for image quality

[nova remnant]

these can make a difference

https://civitai.com/models/82098/add-more-details-detail-enhancer-tweaker-lora
https://civitai.com/models/13941/epinoiseoffset

[granite shell]

wait, are loras the checkpoint things? lol

[nova remnant]

no they are lot smaller in size and are not models

[granite shell]

I see

so i can esentially use loras with checkpoints?

[nova remnant]

yeah LoRA kind of work on modifying output for checkpoints

[granite shell]

oh wow okay cool.

[granite shell]

@nova remnant i sent you a message if you wouldnt mind helping me with a step rq 🙂

[nova remnant]

show some outputs 🙂

try some of your favorite prompts, you could be surprised with the output with such low steps

[nova remnant]

did you change sampling steps to 8 and cfg scale to 2 ?

[granite shell]

lol nope i forgot

[nova remnant]

if you use hires fix you can keep that to 10

i mean the hires steps to 10

[granite shell]

basically what im messing with rn

[nova remnant]

if you are using ESRGAN upscalers you should keep denoise strength to 0.4 for optimum result

[nova remnant]

is that with new settings?

[granite shell]

yes, doing a new batch with denoise to .4

[nova remnant]

ok, i see you like 2D anime

[granite shell]

my prompts are pretty simple

[nova remnant]

can you copy paste that text?

i'd like to try that prompt

[granite shell]

badass, super hero, cute girl, explosion in background, back turned to explosion, sheathing sword lora:lcm-lora-sdv1-5:0.2

[nova remnant]

thanks

[granite shell]

np

i do like this misstoons checkpoint. i like the 90sish vibe

[nova remnant]

im gonna get different image cause im using different model

used the same prompt tho

[granite shell]

nice

[nova remnant]

this is cool

the explosions, her posture added to the cinematic feel

[granite shell]

wow yeah, i like the volcano effect

im getting some cool ones getting rid of back turned and adding face forward

[nova remnant]

nice 🙂

removed that back from prompt too

[granite shell]

that one is nice lol

[granite shell]

LOVE THIS

[nova remnant]

looks cool 🙂

do you notice any difference to render time and quality with these new settings

[granite shell]

i for sure notice the quality difference, render speed seems faster?

[nova remnant]

yeah...it speeds up a lot

as for quality there is little trade off, if you are rendering very large images you could see some loss

[granite shell]

before i fixed my nvidia 3d control settings generating 1 picture with no loras or anything took like 40 mins lol.

[nova remnant]

wow 40 mins is too much

[granite shell]

when i tried mov2mov for a tiktok video, it took like 6 hours to render and it was hot trash

[nova remnant]

crazy

was that graphics card issue?

[granite shell]

yeah i had to change my 3d settings with python

[nova remnant]

can you take a look at your console window when generating images with this LCM LoRA and if it shows any errors?

cause according to git hub page they ask to update a few files...

pip install --upgrade pip
pip install --upgrade diffusers transformers accelerate peft

i had to do that

and i dont have any isseus

if you are not getting any error in console window .. you are fine then

[granite shell]

im not seeing one, just one with controlnet tho lol

[nova remnant]

ahh ok .. then its fine

better not tweak a functioning app

i've had issues with updates before where i had to do reset a lot of things to get things working again, which sucked kind of lol

badass warrior girl, wielding a fiery sword, explosions in the background, fantasy

[nova remnant]

none of mods i've tried can wield weapons right lol

[granite shell]

nice hands lol

[wispy canopy]

it's one of the things my model does very well (sdxl)

[granite shell]

wtf this came out perfect

mine is 10 😉

[wispy canopy]

i COULD do another test on the lcm lora, i suppose

[granite shell]

i do 8 as well but i get better results PERSONALLY with 10-15

[wispy canopy]

@granite shell that is with the lcm lora?

[granite shell]

yap\

currently what im messing with

[wispy canopy]

my testing revealed 2sa karras to be the best

with discard next to final sigma set to false

[granite shell]

hrm where do you set that>

[wispy canopy]

it's in settings

[granite shell]

oh okay ty

8 sample, 10 hi res

sorry 15 hi res steps

[wispy canopy]

it's in settings->sampler parameters

[granite shell]

looking for it rn 🙂

this thing?

[wispy canopy]

yes

if it's off, it's ok ^^

[granite shell]

okay cool!

[wispy canopy]

i feel that gets the most crisp images

[granite shell]

ive been super optimizing my SD the last 3 days, its def been paying off.

[wispy canopy]

this MF'ING tree casting a fireball spell! "HOW DO YOU LIKE THEM APPLES"

[magic wave]

Mini Milk

[pure oyster]

Horrifying.

[granite shell]

looks like a gumball character lol

[steady grail]

kirby with legs?

and mustaches...

what an hell spawn

let's try to implement regon on my workflow of comfyui

after this, i should have all the basic components

[pure oyster]

Pfff, nothing personal partner, but it's already high noon.

[granite shell]

[wooden coral]

@granite shell Our server has a strict no NSFW policy, please respect that and keep it SFW. If not, we are forced to take action

[steady grail]

why regional prompting on comfyui is so complicate? >,<

[brittle jay]

Bruh the h200 is real

Damn

[wispy canopy]

here, something for sore eyes ❤️

[steady grail]

sweet

[lyric zealot]

[brittle jay]

Can you make an image like this but she is not chibi and also takes a smaller part of the image?

Like can your model handle images where the character takes a smaller part of the image?

[brittle jay]

Like this, but you can actually see the character from the front

[magic wave]

I make Mini Milk

[nova remnant]

a cute little chibi girl sitting on top of a cake.

a girl with wings, hovering inside a glass jar

sdxl context is good

[nova remnant]

[dawn jasper]

So very beautiful. 😮

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/all-worlds-alliance/images/4/45/IMG_5079.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/186?cb=20180905101636

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS2x4E9PUff5q7oGKMiVG7wBpMRicXGhKlK50xxXxNUjRw8f7P_C5FmaKpQFWGPqMsYtCs&usqp=CAU

https://rakudai-kishi.fandom.com/wiki/Touka_Toudou Anyone up to do bikini pic images for Touka Toudou from Chivalry of a Failed Knight, by chance?

[nova remnant]

a cat jailed inside a wooden cage.

a cat playing with mouse on a computer desk.

@eface i can't seem to make LCM work with SDXL

she is holding the sword right

[dawn jasper]

@nova remnant Touka Toudou is a swordswoman, but she deals in Electricity in case you are asking.

[nova remnant]

lol i wasn't, was trying this prompt in sdxl warrior girl, wielding a fiery sword, explosions in the background.

[dawn jasper]

@nova remnant Just making sure.

[nova remnant]

a cute chibi girl talking to an egg in a hen house

their little fingers are not messed up

it feels kinda weird to be not using hires fix, adetailer in my sdxl workflow

and the images vastly differ from sd 1.5 and sdxl

but tbh i feel drawn to sdxl cause of context accuracy

[00:13<00:00, 1.27it/s]

[stable crane]

this is just a 1shot sampling?

the accuracy is so good

and the hands

I haven't found a huge need for adetailer in sdxl either, but sometimes I see where it might be good to have used it

[nova remnant]

yeah

[nova remnant]

im basically using a defined aspect ratio to render the images

no adetailer, no hires

but the sdxl images arent as sexy as sd 1.5 trained models

big differences in the faces between those two versions .. atlhough im not using any realism currently

[nova remnant]

try that in the prompt

going to run sdxl base

uhh.. defaut image are realism in sdxl base

yes

[dawn jasper]

That's a witch lady. 😮

[nova remnant]

sdxl focal is very different, they meant to develop better context in its algorithm but didn't care for actual output quality

in other words sdxl is incomplete

its killing me

i dont like the sdxl faces

either disempowering or whacky

a girl playing snookers at a bar.

30/30 [00:32<00:00, 1.21it/s]

one of the posted images by the author ... eyes look like molested and oppressed

spider woman standing before a wrecked car, city street at night.

the car looks better than the main character

[nova remnant]

lmao

lol and the irony those cars are wrecked

[vestal kestrel]

i see so much talk here about XL being bad with anime and the new NAI XL model being hugely anticipated to fix that.

but im wondering why you think that?

i created 2 (3 if you count legend of korra as anime) SDXL anime style loras and they imho look very good.

https://civitai.com/models/177512/essenz-makoto-shinkai-anime-screencap-your-name-weathering-with-you-suzume-style-lora-for-sdxl-10

https://civitai.com/models/181883/essenz-nausicaa-of-the-valley-of-the-wind-anime-screencap-ghibli-hayao-myazaki-style-lora-for-sdxl-10

or is it just that you want a more shaded/illsutrated/2.5d look?

[nova remnant]

sdxl feels overly artificial

in general

they tried to make it look rich and it went that far to lose all organic feel

its either metalic or plastic

and in worst case scenario wet cardboard

[nova remnant]

i looked at the links, since you are asking these are the kind of image tones i look for https://civitai.com/user/torqx

face is very important for the subject

[vestal kestrel]

hm ok
idk that doesnt even feel anime to me anymore. just normal digital art with an anime facial structure.

[nova remnant]

it is kind of digital art mix

you are right about that, kind of westernized anime

it has its own appeal

but apart of art classification im refering to the images in general where sdxl feels too artificial

for example this image cat just posted the color itself is alive

and you put that into sdxl it goes way over board into artificial territory

[vestal kestrel]

hm

[nova remnant]

idk how else to put it, i dont have artistic language to express it

its that sdxl feels off

the prompt context is good but thats it

[untold glacier]

Use Kohaku then.

[vestal kestrel]

when NAI3 releases i may train a style lora on its outputs

[vestal kestrel]

whats the prompt for that one?

[untold glacier]

The main problem peoples are having with anime SDXL right now can be summed up into two things: Bad prompting, and using the wrong models.

[magic wave]

I'm still just waiting for Aurora 2

[untold glacier]

I'll pull it up, but it was made with Comfy.

[magic wave]

My experience with SDXL has been that it doesn't seem that much better than normal 1.5 :o

[untold glacier]

It's not at the moment.

Other than natural language prompting.

[magic wave]

Fair :o

[untold glacier]

Oh, and making bigger images with better cohesion.

But stylistically it's worse or the same with current models.

[untold glacier]

(anime artwork:1.2) of a pale woman with long hair looking down into a pool of pitch black, reaching down into the darkness, being pulled in. black and white, artistic album cover, high contrast
Neg:
nsfw. disfigured. (photo, photorealistic. 3d:1.3). disney. realism. makeup. lipstick. unaestheticsky31
That's with the unaesthetic sky 31 embed that anyone who is genning anime using SDXL should be using. The image was made with a base gen, upres, and face detailer.

[nova remnant]

interior of a fancy car. that's SD 1.5

sdxl can do better with objects i suppose

this is with sd 1.5, 2d trained anime model