✨｜sdxl

[supple knot]

Did you find the frog folder?

[hardy cipher]

nothing wrong going on here

[supple knot]

Must be LeatherFaces cousins

GG

[hardy cipher]

I like their outfits tbh. very dignified

[stone sequoia]

hi!! rookie here!

what kind of magic is this? how can this be done? stable diffusion api?

[hardy cipher]

I made a little magic machine

input images, output new image

[stone sequoia]

myyyyy gawd! you are a wizard. nice job!! it's impressive

is it possible to play with it? 🙂

[hardy cipher]

if you download the right user interface

https://github.com/comfyanonymous/ComfyUI

bit of a learning curve if you're new to all of this. but most of the images I post have the metadata in them

well a lot of them do

so it'll load my setup, or if you like something someone else posts same thing

[ionic gulch]

so you use 3x ip adapter? or do you mix ip adapter and revision/img2img?

(not at home so i can't take a look at your workflow)

[hardy cipher]

well 2 ipadapters, but one only run model data through and the second only use the clipvision

and then a second clip g clipvision

and then a controlnet canny

it can work out a lot differently depending on how you adjust things, but prompts are pretty much automated unless you choose to take control of it for whatever reason

so I can just plug random images in and start rendering

[ionic gulch]

ok, sounds too complicated to understand without looking at the workflow - especially the part with the model data and clipvision. will check it when i'm back home.

[peak dove]

SDXL AUTOMATIC1111 DynaVision checkpoint

[west breach]

so cute

[uncut steeple]

[indigo carbon]

hey, what CLIP vision are you using for ip-adapter_sdxl_vit-h.bin?

[indigo carbon]

@hardy cipher ? I'm messing with image blend again and there is a new IPA SDXL model? I'm asking you because I know you use that stuff

[floral island]

lol, sometimes the sampler can make a huge difference 😮

but which one is the tastiest

[stone fossil]

Ouch if I slightly close my eyes the eyes look in the right place.

[sinful falcon]

That "yarn" tho 😆

[stone fossil]

Elements are the most intresting (to me) to add to the models LoRa wise.

Persons and objects fun also ofc, however it is style that gives the most freedom.

[uncut steeple]

Ignore the ugly tat, im lazy

[stone fossil]

Its looks good I like it. 🙂

[noble shoal]

Yes, he is wearing a meat hoodie...

[stone fossil]

Yarniverse.

[west breach]

made out of pizza?

doiley joker

[stone fossil]

Oh shit I knew the 2x hot but 3x ok lets die. 😄

Love buldak.

[stone fossil]

Once again here is the link to the LoRa to do it: https://civitai.com/models/146424
Last time posting it as I dont like marketing a lot but I think it is cute as w00lz.

[uncut fiber]

Creasy face

[floral island]

lol, xD great minds think alike? (it's on purpose they aren't that close)

[noble shoal]

Found a new (to me) interesting keyword: "{subject} info graphic" (if you check my metadata, yes i wrote it wrong in one prompt)

[floral island]

ooh, i think you might've just helped me

[noble shoal]

I knew it!

[floral island]

venussaur, blastoise, ghastly... uhhh

[stone fossil]

I like the base ones.

Just bubla is more cute. 😉

[floral island]

charizard, rattata, sandslash

goddammit, i really have to do the whole list, don't i?

[floral island]

lol, started a generation for all 150 pokemon in that style

every pokemon after 150 is non-existant in my mind

[stone fossil]

So I was asking myself, how do you cook eggs soft cooked but make they not hard to peel?

[noble shoal]

Throw them in ice water. Well, it depends how soft they are.

[stone fossil]

Noice. ❤️

[floral island]

when peeling, remove the bottom(air pocket) and make sure the membrane is broken, submerge in water, now crack and roll the shell, the water will get between membrane and egg making seperation easy

[stone fossil]

Now these are some egg tips, thanks lads. 🙂

[noble shoal]

I think Eface is actually an LLM

[floral island]

i am?!

[uncut fiber]

dreamcatcher sleep well 🙂

[stone fossil]

He is not, is is more ugly in real life. 😉

[noble shoal]

Are you conscious?

[stone fossil]

Runs.

[floral island]

no, i'm highly sophisticated

and at times drunk

but conscious? naahh... i don't do that

[stone fossil]

Eface is one of the best people I know hehe niggah got me into SD.

[floral island]

somehow, her hair just not being there after the crown looks uhh... i dunno i feel hair should be where the crown is too

[noble shoal]

I am learning about hands at the moment. Interesting

[stone fossil]

Ill make u some dream catchers so u can sleep safe at night. 😉

[floral island]

bulbasaur, ivysaur, venusaur

charmander, charmeleon, charizard (no wings lol)

squirtle, wartortle, blastoise

caterpie, metapod, butterfree

weedle, kakuna, beedrill... uhh...i think some tokens also have other uses here

same seed, so the 3 bird evolutions are pretty much the same (pidgeot series)

rattata and ratticate

spearow and fearow

[floral island]

ekans and arbok

pikachu and raichu, they got buff 😮

sandshrew and sandslash, very cool

clefairy and clefable. holy shit lol

vulpix and ninetails

jigglypuff and wigglytuff... rest of generations not done yet, these are amazing 😮

oh wait, there's more. didn't refresh yet. zubat and golbat

[floral island]

oddish, gloom, and vileplume. dang, proper horror show with these

paras and parasect

venonat and venomoth

digglet and dugtrio. lol

meowth (damn this one is cool) persian failed, probably a lot of overlap with other tokens

[floral island]

psyduck and golduck. what an evolution!

mankey and primeape

growlith and arcanine, very cool

poliwag, poliwhirl, poliwrath keeping it real

abra, cadabra, alakazam

machop, machoke, machamp, unfortunately no 4 arms 😦

[crisp owl]

Nice, those are neat

[floral island]

bellsprout, weepinbell and victreebell keeping the horror show going

tentacool and tentacruel. hentai series incoming!

geodude, graveler and golem, golem probably not ast strong again, overlapping tokens

ponyta and rapidash

slowpoke and slowbro

[uncut fiber]

looks like bathroom tiles but not sure how i did it.

[floral island]

magnemite and magneton

farfetch'd, doduo, dodrio... yeah i figured these would not go very right

[uncut fiber]

magneton we used to call cassette players 🙂

[floral island]

seel and dewgong

grimer and muk, majestic as fuck

shellder and cloister

gastly, haunter and gengar

+10 points for that gengar tho, he looks very ready to go

onyx -> overlap again, it would dud

drowzee and hypno

krabby and kingler

and now i finally caught up to generations XD

gonna take a small break fom posting(not generation) and post the rest later

[jolly brook]

is this a lora you've trained or just prompting?

[floral island]

just prompt 🙂

was doing a creature concept art prompt and one of them got this cool result

so naturally i fugred i need to put it through all the pokemon now 😛

[wind ravine]

Wow those are awesome. What is the prompt/Lora did you use please?

[floral island]

(Sandslash:0.5) creature concept art by Utagawa Toyoharu, surreal absurdism, 2d info graphic, painting Negative prompt: pokemon

no loras

[floral island]

voltorb and elctrode. yeah, in game they don't differ that much either

exeggcute and exeggutor, about what you'd expect

cubone and marowak

hitmonlee and hitmonchan

lickitung just being plain distrubting

koffing and weezing

ryhorn and rhydon

chansey, just as ugly as those other pink fcks

tangela

kangaskhan, horsea, seadra

goldeen and seaking... meh.

staryu and starmie. that's a black swan story right there.

mr mime here to deliver nightmares

scyther, jynx, electabuzz, magmar

picnir, tauros

magikarp and gyaridos. you vs the guy she told you not to worry about

lapras, ditto

evee, vaporeon, jolteon, flareon. these are very cool 😮

porygon lol

omanyte and omastar

kabuto and kabutops

aerodactyl, snorlax

articuno, zapdos, moltres, again very cool trio

dratini, dragonair, dragonite

mewtoo and mew

that's it ^^

all done

[uncut fiber]

i have fear post blueprint 😄

[ionic gulch]

nice color scheme. your images are my favorite - have downloaded quite a few of them as input for ip adapter & co.

[floral island]

😄

now going all randoms with also random artists/movements 😄 i'm sure more cool combos will happen!

[minor matrix]

Amogus

[floral island]

lol ditto 😮 dafaq happened 😮

tentaCOOL 😮

lol zubat

[indigo carbon]

DUDE

duckball!

[indigo carbon]

(I figured out how to improve IPA's blend thingy while implementing AIT =])

[half ivy]

Collaboration could be the key

https://reddit.com/r/gifsthatkeepongiving/s/aJyWTJwlwG

[cyan crown]

prompt?

[stone fossil]

w00len, a very dark hyper realistic macro close up shot of ((Bambi made out of wool and yarn)) bokeh forrest backdrop

Using my lora.

https://civitai.com/models/146424?modelVersionId=163063

[noble shoal]

Can you imagine that somebody has so much time, that he creates a @hardy cipher LoRA?

Ok....it was me

[ionic dragon]

@indigo carbon can I DM?

[indigo carbon]

yeah

[cyan crown]

Thanks

[noble shoal]

This LoRA is absolutely cursed. Prompt was basically "a man sitting on a kitchen table"

[noble shoal]

Garbage. I love it. 🤣

[floral island]

interesting muk

rapidash. ok

electrode. lol 😄

[slender coral]

Anyone have suggestions on how to get rid of the AI look?

[floral island]

better model, more steps, more confidence

[slender coral]

What would the confidence be in this case?

[floral island]

if you give contradicting elements in your prompt, it can greatly reduce image quality in your image output

i call it low confidence -> the model doesn't really know how to handle the contradiction

i'm pretty sure it'll be documented somewhere and have a real name, but that's just from me fucking around in SD

more real pokemon ^^

[floral island]

rapidash, cool ^^

lol, got spearow and fearow again ^^

machop and slowpoke

psyduck army lol

articuno hella awesome

[floral island]

moltres 😮

[hardy cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/whoah-woah-gif-20545190

[hardy cipher]

sorry, just saw this. currently using clip g and the ipadapter "pytorch_model" clipvision model in the workflow I'm messing with. I'm still in the testing phase with this stuff and haven't worked out precisely what the difference is in their behavior as far as the render is concerned. I've got clip h to work but it's tricky and had to switch things up. don't really see what advantage it serves other than using slightly fewer resources

[floral island]

is she about to throw stars around?!

[hardy cipher]

she's about to spit some fire and ice

[indigo carbon]

it's fine. I figured it out and even managed to keep AIT

[hardy cipher]

your approach is definitely more precise

[hardy cipher]

the setup I have can really take on different forms depending on the parameter settings

[hardy cipher]

I do have the contrlonet on the last image so it can take control if I want, but it's not necessary. third image is really superfluous and optional

nice, so you're getting the hang of the placement of things too. it's weird how ti works out

[indigo carbon]

I aimed for it to be a universal ImageA+imageB thing while maintaining AIT. I'm kinda confident it's atleast as good as MJ blend is?

[hardy cipher]

perhaps. never used mj. but sort of got mocked when I suggested that I could blend images alright 😞

[indigo carbon]

not ideal imo, CNET makes you loose AIT- which is not something I'm cool with

[hardy cipher]

but yeah, I think this is the way. and over time you'll be able to refine it more. I'm trying to get into the data a bit more and see how it's processed

well if I could figure out how to run a second ipadapter in the same model flow I'd probably just do that tbh. but need to understand it better before I'll be able to figure that out

my main thing was input 3 images and have them all blend. plus it kind of covers all the bases of what a person could want. but you could definitely turn everything down on the third image. even have it set up to input an empty latent rather than the image

[indigo carbon]

the workflow I made seems to be really consistent at blending images while achieving qualities really close to pure SDXL txt2img. this takes about 20-ish seconds per 4k image like this due to AIT. also, can do batch1-4

[hardy cipher]

yeah, that's definitely a cleaner approach

[indigo carbon]

also seems to keep SDXL's quality usually. I took inspiration from your BLIP idea, and it's a key component of that workflow as of now

also the VIT-H IPA seems better than the normal one. let alone it's way more efficient

[hardy cipher]

well I had errors with it at first

I may end up overhauling my approach soon. just have to figure out how and why first, lol

[indigo carbon]

idk, I won't be changing my approach if that means giving up on AIT

I will release this once I'm 100% sure it's exceptionally refined though

[hardy cipher]

well I wasn't planning on making anything other people would use. it just kind of worked out and so I showed my approach to a few people

normally I build things until I don't like them anymore and knock them down like legos

[indigo carbon]

also this approach allows for a styles feature like on my normal txt2img AIT workflow

by the way, not 20 seconds; 16 seconds*

[hardy cipher]

damn. not bad

the thing I made is bulky. but then I wasn't going for efficiency per se. I was just trying to see how all the tools would work together at a certain point. because why not?

really just want to focus on the ipadapter though, at least as the my primary focal point.

fun to mess with something so new

[shy kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/mike-smith-trailer-park-boys-bubbles-glasses-blink-gif-5292047

[floral island]

reminds me of monster hunter

[hardy cipher]

these are exquisite

[noble shoal]

Basically yours

[hardy cipher]

lol, I'm flattered. it all started with those rainbow goblins I think

the OG goblins

[noble shoal]

Oh yeah, the OG goblins. I think they are also in the dataset

[hardy cipher]

those were some of my first sdxl images

[noble shoal]

Peak PoP style

[hardy cipher]

bottom left, lol, they're so deadpan and ominous

[hardy cipher]

all growed up

[noble shoal]

It happens so fast

[hardy cipher]

you also got the analog film thing going there. that's what I go for a lot

[slender coral]

Hey guys I'm kind of at a loss with comfy, I have no idea why I'm getting the AI look, could someone reccomend some adjustments?

[noble shoal]

It took it somehow from your pictures

[hardy cipher]

that's the video game look

[hardy cipher]

they're on point. how many did you use?

[slender coral]

I don't specifically know what that means, as it's not the style or look I'm going for.

[noble shoal]

25 😅

[hardy cipher]

well you should probably make it not do that

[slender coral]

Great idea is there a online discord I could ask such a question to people in the hopes they would suggesst something.

[hardy cipher]

sweet. now my images can be bred in latent space much more effectively.

[eternal fog]

Your generation resolution is way too high at 1920x1080, try 1344x768 and then highres fix to get it towards 1920x1080

Also don't use words like Photoreal

[slender coral]

testing.

[slender coral]

Could I ask why?

[hardy cipher]

photorealistic describes an art style

[eternal fog]

Things that are tagged like "Photorealistic" tend to be things that aren't real, but are in a "realistic" style

[hardy cipher]

use terms like "photograph of" you can name lens, camera type, etc

"professional photographer"

etc

[eternal fog]

Movie Still works well too, but then you only get certain types of images

[noble shoal]

Oh, they will

[hardy cipher]

I just can't stand bokeh

[hardy cipher]

well, it's not like I even notice it in movies and other things. just don't like it for myself

[indigo carbon]

blended duck and ball, then made a space thingy, than blended both. this is so much fun lol

[hardy cipher]

nice

[slender coral]

Still getting the AI look, do you see any other issues?

[hardy cipher]

lol

that's isometric

do you have an isometric setting of some kind? style or lora?

[noble shoal]

Its in the prompt

[hardy cipher]

well wtf

he's ignoring me I think

probably for the best

[eternal fog]

Not sure what you mean by "AI Look"

[noble shoal]

You are ignoring me!!!!! Send you a DM btw 😅

[slender coral]

I want isometric, I'm asking about the actual look the AI look of the image.

[eternal fog]

@indigo carbon Hey which IPAdapter node set are you using? There's a couple now.

[slender coral]

Almost swirly and little detail and the odd lines:

[eternal fog]

You tend to get stuff like that with isometric things. Try different settings, different prompts. See what looks best.

[hardy cipher]

I'd suggest messing with the negative prompt more as well

[indigo carbon]

this is what I'm currently working with. I think this beats MJ's blend?

it also maintains AIT, ~16s per image

[eternal fog]

Ah ok, supposedly this one uses less memory - https://github.com/cubiq/ComfyUI_IPAdapter_plus

Just about to try it out

[indigo carbon]

I don't like this one, it's not compatible with AIT. I did try it, but the chinese one takes the cake imo

[eternal fog]

My problem is when I use AIT it just pushes it over 10GB VRAM, so it's slower than running it normally.

[indigo carbon]

AIT lowers VRAM, odd.

[eternal fog]

Seems to make it use more when coupled with IPAdapter for me

[indigo carbon]

than you didn't infer it right. the way I inferred it allows it to blend images while having a styles feature and maintaining AIT

[pallid path]

for me, AIT did not give me any significant boost

and you can't even do batches

[eternal fog]

You can with the correct files

[eternal fog]

I'll try it again, pretty sure I was using it the correct way because it did make it faster with just 1 IPAdapter.

[indigo carbon]

I can give you a pre release of what I'm working with if you want, it works really well. (you can check out the pics I posted here recently)

[eternal fog]

Yeah I don't mind taking a look, will be interested how similar it is to mine.

[indigo carbon]

I'll DM it to you; people here might try to use it then complain it spits errors

[eternal fog]

ok

[eternal fog]

This is what it does when I use it btw, maybe I'm starting it too early in the chain.

[lusty wolf]

Greetings you busy bodies...

[crisp owl]

Hello

[floral island]

ghehe, goddess of fastfood

[shy kelp]

i wish the weight slider lora worked for sdxl, great lora

[hardy cipher]

perfect

[shy kelp]

is this the G and L prompting stuff?

[nimble heart]

yea

XL has two text processors, CLIP-G and CLIP-L

some people do different prompts in each but usually you just put the same in both

[shy kelp]

negative prompts

[hardy cipher]

negative prompts

[indigo carbon]

What I used?

It's IPA VIT-H implement with AIT and BLIP

[unreal plover]

concept art {prompt}. digital artwork,illustrative,painterly,matte painting,highly detailed,by Matt Bors,by Skottie Young

[upbeat summit]

very cool! will you release this at some point?

[indigo carbon]

I will but after I'm 100% sure this allows SDXL to dominate MJ's blend like SDXL destroys MJ in txt2img

So far it's a yes imo, but I'll let it sit for a few days

[upbeat summit]

cool - looking forward to try it out!

[indigo carbon]

The way I implemented here also allows for a styles feature, just like with the normal AIT workflow

I did all the reading of how IPA is meant to be inferred, than executed it in ComfyUI as just a presampler to just make a vague latent that's precisely the 2 images combined, than passes to BLIP to turn into text and the normal Ksampler with AIT, while using BLIP's answer and the unfinished latent with SDXL loaded with AIT on the normal Ksampler. This allows for image blending that so far seems to outdo MJ in some cases, while taking ~16 seconds per image

I love how it just placed the cow on the bench here hahaha

[upbeat summit]

very interesting! nice

[indigo carbon]

It should theoretically work with even batch size, but I haven't tried that yet

I think we could refine the BLIP question though. Currently I have the BLIP question set to: what does this image consist of?

[upbeat summit]

I only worked with BLIP in auto mode

[hardy cipher]

Man. It was asking about the background before. I didn't really know what to put

Default was background question

Certainly room for improvement

[shy kelp]

if only the hands weren't fucked

[indigo carbon]

We need to come up with an ultimate universal question

[hardy cipher]

Could also use more than one and ask more than one question

[shy kelp]

question, so does the sdxl model have more refined models? like one for anime, one for this and that?

[indigo carbon]

Not really, we don't want to overdo BLIP, it's a simple model that gets the job done. We just need a good, simple question

I think what I have it set to makes promising results (checkout recent stuff I've posted), but with stuff like BLIP there should be an ultimate question possible

[hardy cipher]

That works too. I'd thought about other models as well, but want something efficient

[indigo carbon]

Like, look at this, man

[shy kelp]

when i try using the sdxl model on the web ui, it just switches back to the model i had selected before

[hardy cipher]

I'll check out your workflow in a bit and see how it works for me

[indigo carbon]

Easily beats MJ in some cases

[hardy cipher]

Well it shouldn't. They're weird

[hardy cipher]

Curious how mj does it

[shy kelp]

it shows up here, i click it, goes back to OTO which was last selected

[indigo carbon]

Probably like this, MJ isn't pixel diffusion. the reason this beats MJ sometimes is probably because SDXL is just a better model.

[hardy cipher]

I read that it was pixel diffusion, but I actually don't know anything about it. So thst might be incorrect

[indigo carbon]

Not pixel diffusion, there are latent previews. You can easily tell

[hardy cipher]

Not sure, man. That's an sdxl model though?

[upbeat summit]

that looks great!

[indigo carbon]

Maybe what they used way back was some kind of pixel diffusion, but now it's just paid latent diffusion

[indigo carbon]

Yeah, that's a great example of SDXL doing a better job at blending than MJ

Pixel diffusion does allow for image blending without the need for something like IPA, but it makes a whole lot of new issues, so not ideal.

[hardy cipher]

Also needs some serious hardware

[shy kelp]

oto is not, but when i try to use sdxl base it wont let me

[indigo carbon]

Not only pixel diffusion performance is poor, so is the quality. DALL-E is a pixel diffusion, and it doesn't stand a chance against SDXL

[shy kelp]

what's your console saying?

size mismatch i guess

[visual glade]

looks like you are loading a SDXL model as SD1.x

[indigo carbon]

That's a LoRA, it's not a model on its own

[indigo carbon]

Also this, but not only it's a LoRA, it's also a 1.5 LoRA

[shy kelp]

oh so i cannot run sdxl models on the old ui I had?

you can run sdxl in webui

[visual glade]

yeah looks like you need to update

[indigo carbon]

Also hey Comfy, I figured out IPA with AIT

[hardy cipher]

Just seems so computationally intensive

[visual glade]

did you have to build a copy of the model with AIT support?

I mean a copy with IPA?

[indigo carbon]

Nope, just implement it in a different way and made a new workflow for it. So far it seems to outdo MJ blend in most cases

[indigo carbon]

I won't use the word "dumb" but I kinda want to say pixel diffusion seems to be that usually

[visual glade]

pixel diffusion is just not efficient

[indigo carbon]

And not as good. It's old tech

[visual glade]

it makes more sense to compress the images and do diffusion on that compressed version

[indigo carbon]

Only good thing about pixel diffusion is it would be easier to blend images with it; but I seem to have found a way to blend images using SDXL

[shy kelp]

the navel returns

which file do i change if it tells me python not found?

[indigo carbon]

Also, I did try that at first, but the first step for my solution was to switch to IPA VIT-H, and that's compatible with AIT and better than the normal one. Then made a workflow that uses that in a smart way (see stuff I posted here) and that's pretty much it

Takes about 16s to do this, and the results usually beat MJ's blend

Also allows for a styles feature like I did on the normal AIT workflow

But honestly, I will need to take a damn break before I start working with OneFlow; haven't touched that yet, and I don't really want to. Speed is already more than enough with AIT, I have a feeling it will be a nightmare to do with OneFlow

[upbeat summit]

nice work! love it

[half ivy]

I think you need to install python 🐍🤷‍♂️

[shy kelp]

am i stupid?

as soon as i remove the area above..., she shows her abs

[native knot]

I know a lot of you have helped me out with stuff and I shared recently that I had a tagging project I was working on over the weekend. Well, it worked out well enough that I wanted to share the ComfyUI workflow with more people on the off chance that it's useful to someone. So I created my first non-image post on Civit with the documented workflow where anyone can pick it up:
https://civitai.com/models/147873?modelVersionId=164971

Thanks for checking it out if you happen to be the one other person in the world that might use it other than me. 🙂 Also, thanks to many of you from this channel for your help and discussion as I figure all this out.

[upbeat summit]

thanks for sharing it, soul! looks like really interesting workflow tools / components. nice work!

[native knot]

If it helps someone in some way other than myself, then I'll call that a win.

[hoary saddle]

share workflow dood 🙂

[twilit nexus]

any tips on generating seamless backgrounds like this

like simple mountains or clouds or far away trees with sky etc

[upbeat summit]

there's no chance anyone has already build a patch to fix this, right? 😉

[twilit nexus]

any good model to generate fantasy seamless backgrounds?

[uncut fiber]

@twilit nexus there is in A1111 way to do seamless tiles, but in all directions, so mountains would cause trouble

[twilit nexus]

well horizontal would work

like sideways

but need a good model for generating fantasy bgs

like the far away stuff

snowy desert etc

need for my game 😄

[uncut fiber]

you will see. Only works all side tiles, probably you can do similar renders, and paint in some painting program inbetweens?

[shy kelp]

keep in mind: https://www.reddit.com/r/aigamedev/comments/142j3yt/valve_is_not_willing_to_publish_games_with_ai/

[twilit nexus]

meh hobby games not going steam

[glad grove]

https://tenor.com/view/yakuza-yakuza0-reddit-destruction-kazumakiryu-gif-20541792

[upbeat summit]

SDXL Artist Style Studies: https://sdxl.parrotzone.art/

[hardy cipher]

Ha. That just popped up in my news feed like an hour ago

[uncut fiber]

more stripes = more adidas 🙂
Catching proper ones

[native knot]

Bookmarked.

[uncut fiber]

Bookmarked as well, thank you!

[upbeat summit]

a couple of my SD artist study bookmarks:
https://weirdwonderfulai.art/resources/stable-diffusion-xl-sdxl-artist-study/
https://rikkar69.github.io/SDXL-artist-study/
https://sdxl.parrotzone.art/
https://proximacentaurib.notion.site/e28a4f8d97724f14a784a538b8589e7d?v=ab624266c6a44413b42a6c57a41d828c

[uncut fiber]

last i know. Bad is it is sorted by given name 🙂 Why! 🙂

this is for 1, but i believe tags are same, yes but results are different i forgot, anyway.
https://proximacentaurib.notion.site/2b07d3195d5948c6a7e5836f9d535592?v=b5b75a67cc52483c9965cfc141f6f582

this is as well for sd, but artist do not change styles, shouldnt.
https://www.urania.ai/top-sd-artists

[upbeat summit]

nice - thanks for sharing. bookmarked :). many SD1 styles/artists tokens are also giving good results with SDXL

[uncut fiber]

found this artist there

[hardy cipher]

hamburger shoe

[modest rose]

A lot of these sites make the same prompting mistake, e.g. look at Scott Adams. That's a bunch of portraits of the artist Scott Adams but not even in his style! He's a cartoonist. When you push the model to perform a certain task that doesn't align, you can blow right through learned traits and get vanilla behavior. This is especially true if the training is weak.

[uncut fiber]

i know how aply artist, how to apply medium?

[hardy cipher]

they're not training it on these artists are they? they're simply using, I"m assuming, a prompt template with the artist's name inserted into it

[upbeat summit]

just talk to the model :). painted on, made with etc

[uncut fiber]

Quilling for me as English itself is very challenging, difficult but i think i got it

[hardy cipher]

this isn't a new issue, and I don't think it's indicative of weak training. it just means the ai is misinterpreting what is wanted and creating an image of the artist themselves instead of their style. could be indicative of a suboptimal prompt template though. but I'm sure they considered such things

[upbeat summit]

yeah, you're absolutely right. this was always happening and most sites have images like this. I browse it for some inspiration and go from there but I always keep that in mind.

[modest rose]

Weird wonderful did okay!

[hardy cipher]

well maybe I also misunderstood what you said, lol

but either way

[upbeat summit]

true

[uncut fiber]

for example Jakub Schikaneder is well known for painting old prague only. In buildings it is something he wouldnt ever paint, but some sort of his style is there

[modest rose]

"art by" gives good results for many, others lack coherence and need additional help. That's how I got my "weak training" assumption.

[upbeat summit]

also @cursive warren did an amazing artist study for SD2 back then on this server: https://discord.com/channels/1002292111942635562/1047177083601813504

[upbeat summit]

I think just by can be even stronger with a lot of tokens

[hardy cipher]

I ran into that issue alot with 1.5. lovely image of bob ross, or andy warhol, or whoever else

[modest rose]

I've been experimenting with weakened prompts that encourage the model to take a garden path for a particular artist, e.g. landscape, character, cityscape, abstract, animals, machinery, etc.

Promising.

[upbeat summit]

art by, design by, directed by or you can get even more specific like clothing design by, set design by, lighting by etc... it all does have different effects. and sometimes just by... is having an even stronger effect - especially with SDXL

[upbeat summit]

yeah prompt engineering is on a whole new level with SDXL. the storytelling capabilities are so much stronger now

I finally got around integrating prompt editing in ComfyUI. one of the features I really missed from a1111. I used it a lot for TI embeds with SD2

[uncut fiber]

i do artist art by somebody.
What i dont like on most those pages about author and styles is small detail, it is sorted by given name, would prefer surname 🙂 just little bit unusual

[upbeat summit]

yeah. most would really profit from a tagged database with sorting and filtering options

[upbeat summit]

mona tiger warhol!

[uncut fiber]

and i see there A. Hupburn 🙂

[hardy cipher]

alien dali lisa lookin good

[hardy cipher]

indigenous lisa?

[hoary saddle]

@high skiff did you make that SD1.5 funko pop lora? i see your name, so assuming, when sdxl version 😉

[high skiff]

Yes, I did, and I have no idea, I'm taking a full break from AI at the moment. I have hit a sort of awkward wall stuck in between 1.5 and SDXL, and I'm not expecting to return particularly soon

[upbeat summit]

Greetings, Sytan 🙂 nice to see you

[hoary saddle]

got some MJ maxi talking shit about how much better it is than SD

[high skiff]

I got extremely discouraged after not finding a way to fix the issues with my high res fix V2. It still offers the best upscale quality I have seen for SDXL, but it has a lot of caveats

For some styles, it's issues are actually beneficial. It is insanely good at upscaling water color. Can easily go to 4096x with it, and it looks stunning

[cinder aspen]

Well it has advantages and also disadvantages over SD

[hoary saddle]

true, but i still wanna argue with him lol

[hardy cipher]

dem hands

[hoary saddle]

perfection

[cinder aspen]

What makes MJ much better than SD according to him?

[hardy cipher]

it's great for casual folk. but it's like having someone else drive you somewhere. you have no idea what's going on under the hood

or how it gets where it's going

[high skiff]

here is an example of how amazing my high res fix V2 can be when it works. left is the low res, middle is my old high res fix 1.0 and right is 2.0

This new high res fix is insanely good at adding new texture information, but for some images, that's the opposite of what you want

[cinder aspen]

Casual folk or actual artists for one obvious reason but for the latter one Firefly is the absolute number 1

And not MJ

[high skiff]

Has Firefly gotten less shit since I last saw it? Cause it was horrifically bad when it first launched lol

[hardy cipher]

some of the adobe ai stuff is very helpful, but firefly is so restrictive

[high skiff]

I have yet to see anything good come out of firefly that doesn't look like Dalle mini could have done it lol

[cinder aspen]

It never was bad tbh

[high skiff]

What

[cinder aspen]

The watermark was annoying tho

[high skiff]

give me 15 seconds, I can prove you wrong lol

[cinder aspen]

But it was during beta only

[hardy cipher]

the firefly discord did not like me naysaying the watermark, lol

[cinder aspen]

As soon as Firefly was integrated into Photoshop and Illustrator that was it

[high skiff]

some of the actual promotional images for firefly when it was first released in beta

[hardy cipher]

they also made sure to tell me that it's also in the metadata

[high skiff]

looks like dog shit lol

Also, wasn't there that whole thing about Adobe stealing art from peoples cloud's to train firefly without their permission?

[cinder aspen]

No

[high skiff]

yes

[cinder aspen]

I mean thats what some folks claimed

[high skiff]

about 2-3 weeks ago

[cinder aspen]

What was trained on was their Stock and non copyrighted images

[high skiff]

There is no world in which Adobe is above stealing from their users. They do it all the time lol

hell, they stole from me back when I used them years ago

[hardy cipher]

well they tell them that's what they're doing

[cinder aspen]

They didnt steal from you, it was your mistake what you did

[high skiff]

wait a minute, I just recognized you. You're the guy who I got into this with last time. The troll

The guy who thinks that Adobe charging me for 6 months after my account was terminated was MY fault, and not theirs

[cinder aspen]

You subscribed to their product and wanted your money back after the deadline, wasnt that the case?

[hardy cipher]

I've seen several reformed trolls around these parts. don't recall infidelis trolling though

[cinder aspen]

@hardy cipher we had some heated debates before

Whatever makes me a troll, i dunno

[high skiff]

no, I had my account deleted on purpose cause they kept double charging me, they "reimbursed me" with free sub months, of which I never actually saw. Then once I deleted my account entirely (can't even sign into it anymore), they kept charging me for 6 months, to which they then told me to basically come for them in court

I had to get my bank to sever the transactions, or they likely would have continued

never got my money back, so fuck adobe IMO

and I am not the only person who has had similar situations with them

I used them religiously for like 3 years, even got people to join, so its not like I am some hater, I used them daily for a good while.

Then they started fucking me over, I deleted my account, and they continued to fuck me over

[glad grove]

this looks so generic

[high skiff]

firefly was 🤮 when it was in beta lol

[cinder aspen]

How could they double charge you

[high skiff]

I'd hope its a little less shit now at least, I have not seen it

[high skiff]

they would charge me once, and then... charge me a second time. Happened 3 times. They then told me they gave me 3 free months back as reimbursement, of which I never actually got, which lead to my deleting my account

[glad grove]

its prob like apple there are other models out there that can do the same thing but ppl will continue to pay for it because it has adobe brand

[high skiff]

for sure

[cinder aspen]

No, there are multiple reasons for why people stick to it

[high skiff]

I am just glad most people are off their firefly high horses praising Adobe for being "ethical" with their training data lol

[shy kelp]

substance products will come with creative cloud one day

[high skiff]

Man, I remember how much I loved substance, then Adobe ruined that too

[cinder aspen]

No, that would mean they would have to higher up the prices

not for just a little

[high skiff]

They are constantly raising prices

they just did a new price hike like a week ago

[cinder aspen]

They raised them now with FF out of beta

For me not so much

And im not affected by the credit system for generations

The free users are dead

[high skiff]

ok, they raised the monthly cost by 10%, starting November 1st

[cinder aspen]

Depending on subscription

For me it should be about 5$

Not sure tho bcs i pay in€

[high skiff]

its 10% for all plans

[cinder aspen]

Oh, this is SDXL channel

[high skiff]

starting November 1st, all Adobe plans are 10% more per month

[cinder aspen]

Didnt do the math, but eventually

[high skiff]

they announced it themselves

[cinder aspen]

Right now im at 60€/month

[glad grove]

its because they wanna help poor artists like me

[high skiff]

lol, as if

[cinder aspen]

Well their tools are oriented towards professionals tbh

[high skiff]

Adobe is now $660/yr for prepaid annual, fucking hell

[shy kelp]

i should see if i can get my grandfathered plan back which was like $30 something a month

[high skiff]

not likely

[glad grove]

professional tools and dont even have alternatives to controlnet or animation models

[high skiff]

they will probably tell you to go off yourself with a smile or something lol

[shy kelp]

idk, ive had it for a few years now for around $30 a month

[cinder aspen]

Wdym

[shy kelp]

i use adobe products heavily

[high skiff]

exactly what he said

[shy kelp]

never tried firefly or w/e their ai thing is called though, no reason to when there is SD and MJ

[high skiff]

I used to as well. So glad I don't anymore, switched to much more reasonably priced options for myself. I know thats not the case for all people, but its been great for me

[cinder aspen]

For 2D animating Animate and After Effects are the way to go from their products, for 3D its someone else

[shy kelp]

3d, it's blender for me

why i want substance products to be in cc lineup

[cinder aspen]

For me Max as generalist tool

[high skiff]

My friend works as an AI dev for Unity, and they have some new tools coming out for AI that are insane. Looking forward to when I can share more info really

[shy kelp]

i started 3d with maya but then realized that i have licensing issues if i don't pay for maya so went to blender

[cinder aspen]

Dont have to as they have different target audiences anyway

[shy kelp]

too bad almost everyone hates unity atm

[high skiff]

I don't even like blender, but I would still say its one of the best free alternatives to paid software right now

[high skiff]

Yeaaahhhh

My friend was blindsided by that as well

[cinder aspen]

Unity is fcked up atm

[high skiff]

He handles AI dev for Unity, not pricing or anything like that

[cinder aspen]

And they did it themselves

[high skiff]

yuppp

[shy kelp]

yeah my brother doesn't use SD or MJ and thought FF was amazing and was showing me some stuff one day, he was showing me inpainting with it and i show him some SD stuff and he's just like, wtf???

[cinder aspen]

For a lot of folks Blender is enough anyway

[high skiff]

yeah, agreed

I use to be big in Blender, but now I don't like the direction they have been taking it. Just cause I don't really support blender anymore doesn't mean its not a good alternative tho

[shy kelp]

(TELL YOUR FRIEND TO LOOK AT GODOT! )

[high skiff]

you can do some amazing things in it

[west breach]

https://github.com/Acly/krita-ai-diffusion

[high skiff]

Unless GODOT is looking to poach him, I think he will stay at Unity lol

[uncut fiber]

blender is best NLE, but hard to learn. Also check blender support, now it is supported so many big names.

[glad grove]

should show him outpainting,ip adapter,openpose ,canny or lineart should be enough for him to ditch firefly alltogether

[shy kelp]

yeah i hear there is some big tech hiring freeze or something atm anyway

[cinder aspen]

FF is by far the best for my workflow, for others that doesnt work out well just as SDXL doesnt work out for me and MJ either. People have different workflows and what they need

[cinder aspen]

Oh, why is that?

[high skiff]

I have my own issues with blender, specifically with the new features they are adding, but it is still cool to see, regardless

[shy kelp]

im sure he's be on board but he doesn't have time for it
he'd gladly tell me to do it for him though
i was showing him stable audio yesterday and i felt bad because he makes music with FL

[cinder aspen]

Not really depending on what he does etc

[glad grove]

wastin money is one of them

[cinder aspen]

I mean lets be real, Firefly is NOT oriented towards prompters and "AI artists" just as SDXL isnt oriented towards artists

[high skiff]

I was huge in the blender community for a few years. Like top 10 users in the biggest blender server on discord big, but I started to notice that blender is not focused on fixing things, just adding new and sketchy features not many people ask for

Like, blender has horrific optimization issues, and yet they are adding in all these new systems rather than fixing the old ones. All in a race to be the "first" at something, while doing it generally sub par, in order to get more grant money from deep pocketed investors looking to paddle their GPU's for rendering (NVIDIA specifically)

Its just a big sprawling bunch of roots that don't mesh or have consistency or reliability between them. Simulations are miles behind geo-nodes, but you alsos till can't do proper bevels or chamfers in blender without its poly engine absolutely shitting itself.

I just dedicated so much time to trying to find community solutions for issues that should not be a thing in blender, and got tired of having my bug reports dismissed as "we know its an issue, we won't fix it"

[glad grove]

sounds likes its oriented towards ppl who know nothing about sd capabilities and just wanna generate some stuff on top of their art

[cinder aspen]

Whats NLE

[uncut fiber]

non linear editing of video

[cinder aspen]

Oh, thats something their fanboys wont admit and will defend Blender by any means necessary

I mean dont get me wrong, Blender is amazing

But those people laughing at 3ds Max and making Blender look godlike compared to it is pathetic

I mean those fanboys

Not the devs

[hardy cipher]

brilliant

[shy kelp]

those fine lines in the eyes

[cinder aspen]

Or they simply dont need those capabilities at all

[glad grove]

ofc they dont, they are using firefly

[high skiff]

The one that was the nail in the coffin of me using blender was me, and various other people working on a bug report for blender (the guy who made blender Super Image Denoiser is my friend and helped us with this)

I spent weeks finguring out an Albedo denoise pass issue for image denoising, tracked it down to an integer flip point where blender switches from casting rays through transmissive materials, and reflecting them. Below a threshold I was able to find down to the 9th decimal point, the denoise would fail. increasing it by any amount would allow it to work

Turns out it was an issue they had known of for basically a decade, when cycles original dropped. They informed us that they knew it was there, and why it was there, but that they would never fix it, even though it ruins peoples renders all the damn time.

We spent so much time trying to find the data, explain what was wrong, worked together as a community on it for a long time just to hear "Even though we are remaking the entire render engine pipeline from the ground up, we have no interest in fixing one of the biggest rendering bugs in Blender/Cycles history" and then close it with no additional comment

[high skiff]

@cinder aspenmeant to reply

[upbeat summit]

I can only imagine how frustrating that felt

[high skiff]

EXTREMELY

we had so many people help with it, for literally nothing

[west breach]

a pikachu cat will make it all better

[high skiff]

my specialty in blender was fluid and glass renders, so low roughness denoise bugs were my bane

I found the example image

you can see at 0.273861, its broken and noisy, but above, it fixes

bugged denoise albedo

bugged denoise normal vector

[cinder aspen]

Why was that their response?

I mean why wouldnt you want to fix that

[high skiff]

no idea, they just said they didn't care to fix it, then closed it

and looking through reports, many people had reported it in some capacity

I learned of ways to cheat it by render pass swapping, but it requires rendering every frame 2 times, and is a pain in the ass to automate

[cinder aspen]

Lack of support from Blender stuff is also a thing due to its nature, one of reasons why others will prefer Autodesk, Maxon or Adobe products

Especially companies

[uncut fiber]

hm speed, for glass can be luxcore renderer or raytracer nice, cant be? @high skiff

[cinder aspen]

I can call at Autodesk whenever i want if i need something for my 3ds Max

[high skiff]

I used to dabble with luxcore, but it had a lot of issues back when I did this as well, this was like 3-4 years ago by now

I used blender a few days after 2.8 dropped, and now we are on like 3.6-3.7 now I think

[cinder aspen]

Ofc on the other side Blender has a wider community of hobbyists

And Blender is free

Max isnt

Let alone addons

[high skiff]

Woah, I forgot I made this haha

it was for a school project

[cinder aspen]

Nice 😄

[uncut fiber]

what means corporate gold?

[high skiff]

I think thats 1M+ a year

oops, much less

30k+ a year

[uncut fiber]

https://fund.blender.org/
Adobe is gold 🙂

[high skiff]

thats pitifully small for Adobe 😅

[cinder aspen]

There was kinda a panic within the Blender community when Adobe funded Blender

As if they would acquire Blender

[high skiff]

yeah, it was unfounded, the creators of blender kinda hate adobe lol

[glad grove]

i wonder why

[cinder aspen]

It wouldnt make sense for Blender to do thst

[high skiff]

Adobe being Corporate gold is literally less than 1 minimum wage salary lol

[cinder aspen]

But there is a joke around where Autodesk acquires Blender

And the logo changes

Autodesk is Adobe of the 3D world

[upbeat summit]

if Autodesk doesn't start adapting AI features very quickly now they will get into trouble not too far in the future

[cinder aspen]

They already do

[high skiff]

Wait what

[cinder aspen]

Didnt you see whats coming for Maya

[high skiff]

NVIDIA doesn't fund blender anymore? lmfao

[glad grove]

they will prob attempt to buy some of them and boom they are back

[high skiff]

bro, NVIDIA dropped their blender support

[upbeat summit]

guess I missed that siggraph talk 😄

[cinder aspen]

Plus partnership with Wonder Dynamics

[high skiff]

I wish we could see how much each company donates

[cinder aspen]

For whatever reason they implement those in Maya but Max isnt talked about for now

[high skiff]

Adobe is 30k a year, which is basically nothing for a company their size

these are the real blender supporters

those are all at least 120k+

[high skiff]

so who knows, could be 120k, could be several million. We will never know lol

[uncut fiber]

yes i believe they are giving more

[high skiff]

I just find it hilarious that Adobe would be throwing out pocket change to blender

Like, I think such a low donation amount makes them look worse than just not supporting them

[ionic gulch]

V13 of my workflow - different node set for IP-Adapter, updated instructions and links, various smaller improvements:
https://github.com/JPS-GER/JPS-ComfyUI-Workflows

[high skiff]

imagine giving a company that likely leads to a TON of substance sales and other subscription sales just 0.000017% of your yearly income lmfao

[cinder aspen]

I guess something to do with Substance

But who knows

Blender isnt someone who they have any ties to

[high skiff]

this random guy donates a minimum of 4x what ADOBE donates every year lol

[high skiff]

I cannot tell you how many people I know who end up paying out the ass for substance cause they use blender

I can name 7 people off the top of my head

[cinder aspen]

They dont earn as much money from the Blender community as they do from the others i think

[high skiff]

and then after effects goes very hand in hand with blender, and most creative individuals looking to do renders retouch in photoshop and lightroom. I am willing to bet that blender is a HUGE marketed for adobe

[cinder aspen]

I mean the more professional artists for sure use Photoshop and Substance

within Blender community

But they also use alternatives to Substance eventually

[high skiff]

as long as I have been in the 3D scene (about 5 years now) I have yet to see any real alternatives, unfortunately

maybe mixle or whatever its called, I forgot

[cinder aspen]

I mean alternatives, if those are better is a different question

Substance is king if you ask me for texturing

Mari for movies

[high skiff]

Ah, I merged the name lmao

[cinder aspen]

Substance for everything else

[high skiff]

Quixel Mixer

[uncut fiber]

or why not Affinity?

[high skiff]

I love the creator of affinity

that man is a king

Affinity's HDR tonemapping functionality is god tier

[cinder aspen]

Not enough for many pros

[high skiff]

and its auto panos are too

[cinder aspen]

Especially when it comes to AI features

And they also eventually dont even have to pay for PS anyway

Their company pays

Unless they are freelancers

[high skiff]

I have been using kirta this last week for digital art, and I feel like its actually a much nicer experience for me for drawing, feels a lot more purpose built, and it has a lot more granular control. I was able to control all of the sliders on my color picker, add as many as I want with as many values and math function as I could ever want. Was able to build my perfect color picker from scratch

[uncut fiber]

also VR, there is sculpting in VR, adobe acquire medium, so i dont update it, and using very rarely shapelab. One must try it to believe it 🙂

[cinder aspen]

Krita is more streamlined for art than Photoshop but that makes sense

[high skiff]

I use adobe Medium all the time. Its the only adobe product I still touch, cause it has none of their stink on it. Its free, works great, and is reliable, the opposite of a lot of adobe acquisitions lol

[uncut fiber]

i have painter and rebelle. Rebelle is superb.

[high skiff]

Also, my bad, there IS an alternative to substance designer. Its much better and more poerful

but it costs even more lmao

oh, looks like prices actually came down on it

[cinder aspen]

Which one

I currently dont use Designer tbh, not yet

[high skiff]

Marmoset Toolbag. Its the big brother to substance

[cinder aspen]

Im glad Substance got an update on baking

Overhaul

Otherwise i would have to use Marmoset for baking

[upbeat summit]

Affinity did made really great progress. if you work with print Adobe still offers the safest and most efficient workflow and is still the way to go - color profiles, pre-press, pdf compatibility, spot colors etc.

[cinder aspen]

I had to streamline my pipeline at this point, i use way too many softwares lol

[high skiff]

Too bad you can't use pantone with Adobe anymore

[upbeat summit]

also there's no substitute for InDesign

[high skiff]

RIP reliable industry standard colors

[cinder aspen]

You can...with a big catch to it

[upbeat summit]

you still can

[high skiff]

yeah, an additional monthly fee and a limited color selection

I am shocked a company as predatory as pantone would have cut ties for most users for pantone, but then I also realize its a smart predatory move to get more money lol

[upbeat summit]

I don't like it as well but I have clients that have pantone colors so I gotta pay for it anyway.

[cinder aspen]

For professionals its not as a big deal as it is for hobbyists

[upbeat summit]

of course it sucks that I can't open my projects if I don't pay for a subscription. that's not the best feeling in the world

[cinder aspen]

Pros easily earn money back from their investment in Adobe and Pantone

I as a hobbyist dont earn money yet from artworks etc

[upbeat summit]

yeah. If I can't pay for my yearly Adobe cloud subscription I better look for a new job heh

[high skiff]

Thats the Adobe Experience ™️

[cinder aspen]

Luckily i have a full time job that allows me to spend a lot of money on creative stuff

[upbeat summit]

compared to the costs of the old Adobe Creative Suite, the subscription is cheaper

[glad grove]

rich ppl get richer by throwin away money

[high skiff]

I currently really need a job lol

[upbeat summit]

wise words - doesn't work sadly for me 😄

[high skiff]

Yes and no

[cinder aspen]

Werent you close to get into AI job?

[west breach]

just get sdxl to make you pantone colours. they are super accurate 😄

[high skiff]

Cuz when you bought the old sweet, you had it forever, you instantly lose access to all things Adobe the second you stop paying, so by that comparison, Adobe is infinitely more expensive now

[cinder aspen]

Subscriptions usually cost more...long term

[high skiff]

*old suite

[upbeat summit]

$2.5k for the creative suite and than $700-800 for each update

[high skiff]

Also, more times than not, they force you to bundle in programs that you likely don't use in order to make it seem like a better value, when in reality it would be cheaper to just bundle the few that you want

[upbeat summit]

yeah. that's their trick 😉

[cinder aspen]

Im at 60€/month now just for Creative Cloud, plus 19,19€ for Substance texturing bundle

[upbeat summit]

yeah substance should really be a part of the cloud sub, but now they also want firefly credits heh

[cinder aspen]

Let me tell you tho, 3ds Max costs me by far the most due to all the addons i pay

[high skiff]

Money money money

[cinder aspen]

Adobe and Maxon together dont cost as much

Take that

[upbeat summit]

yeah

[uncut fiber]

is affinity publisher so bad? Or just colors accuracy?

[upbeat summit]

I'm not doing a lot of 3D but I've seen the prices

[high skiff]

I think Auto desk is the only company that gives Adobe a run for their money when it comes to predatory and overpriced behavior

[cinder aspen]

I have indie license for Max, not standard tho

[upbeat summit]

it's pink 😄 we need SD-RAW-HDR-CMYK

[cinder aspen]

I pay 350€/year for Max which isnt expensive comparewise...but then the programs around it and addons come into the game

[upbeat summit]

yeah if you work with that or are an enthusiast that can be acceptable

[cinder aspen]

As long as i can afford it, yes

[upbeat summit]

subscription services are not my favorite concept - but for many things especially in Adobe tools there are no substitutes because they have the monopoly

[cinder aspen]

I mean i could have gone with Blender as well, i did for a very short period of time

[cinder aspen]

Yes, and tbh it makes it affordable for me

Imagine if i had to pay all of the softwares and addons at once

Full price

My as* could i have em all then

I would have to sell my mother, my soul and my left kidney for that

[upbeat summit]

yeah and you get updates and new features without extra costs. at least that is one positive aspect of a subscription

[cinder aspen]

Yes

Ideally you also get your money back with those products

Which is what professionals do

[upbeat summit]

I mean - I was totally against it and still am 😄 but now I'm logged into the Adobe ecosystem. I will never be able to work on my projects if I don't pay them for the rest of my life

[cinder aspen]

Im in their ecosystem as well including generative AI

You may also understand eventually why SDXL is a horrible pipeline tool in my case judging by my tools above

Its not about the image quality because SDXL can produce good images

[upbeat summit]

Yeah as said - there's no real alternative for a lot of stuff - especially if you work in professional print, image processing. affinity really improved so I have to check it out again, but all those tools have to integrate so many stuff from the last 25 - 30 years.

GIMP may be great but I can absolutely not work with it because how it processes colors and files. you can't output an industry standard file with it.

[uncut fiber]

now print it perfectly, imposible 😄 @west breach

[cinder aspen]

Yes, although for a lot of folks they can get away with Affinity or even GIMP easily

But at some point you dont come around PS

[high skiff]

I'll be sticking to Krita, never gonna use PS again heh

[cinder aspen]

Krita was my bae

[upbeat summit]

yeah, of course. I have set up GIMP for others so they can make their social media images and teasers. but it's too limited and many stuff is just integrated in ways that don't make sense to me.

[cinder aspen]

I even installed it once on phone but didnt turn out well lol

[upbeat summit]

yeah krita looks really nice too

[uncut fiber]

gimp is counterintuitive. But surprised by inkscape, how it works. It is not so bad. And i have last version of non subscription based illustrator.

[cinder aspen]

I dont like its interface

[high skiff]

Ahhh yeah, I run it on my samsung tablet when on the go. Its super cool to have full desktop krita on a mobile pen tablet

[upbeat summit]

yup same 😄 I go crazy in GIMP

[high skiff]

I have an ultra budget high quality drawing setup, and I love it

[cinder aspen]

For tablets its a different thing, yeah

[high skiff]

I have a samsung TabS6, which has the full Wacom digitizer and functions. And then I use an app called Super Display, and for $10, it can turn your tablet into a super low latency high quality external display with pressure sensitivity pass through and many other features

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/427011414851321866/1151326565569937478/20230912_181817.mp4

Here is a video of my uncle trying it on my Aunts ancient Samsung tablet. The slight choppiness is cause the tablet is over a decade old now lol

[upbeat summit]

nice! yeah super display is great

[high skiff]

ithas macros, touch pass through, functions, screen cropping, all sorts of stuff. Its so cool

for $10, its a must have. Worth every penny

it can do wireless as well, but I have never tried it

[glad grove]

with a drawin tablet + SD u can truly create anything u want/have in mind

[uncut fiber]

I have this @high skiff https://www.amazon.com/XP-PEN-Artist15-6-Pro-15-6-Full-Laminated/dp/B07M5X7MH1

[high skiff]

very nice, very nice

[glad grove]

thats the one i have i was gonna buy a wacom but then realized wacom is like the apple/adobe of the drawin tablet world 😅

[uncut fiber]

it is for its price doing what it should o.k. Wacom is Apple between tablets

😄

didnt see what are you writing @glad grove

[high skiff]

My tablet is Wacom, but I have had Huion and Xp pen, and they really ar eno different lol

[cinder aspen]

This is how i currently do

Until i get into new appartment

[uncut fiber]

Pro is pro, iam amateur 😄
Glow seems familiar, but supposing all brands got same

[upbeat summit]

I use it wireless and it works great :). PC via cable, tablet on wifi

[high skiff]

Here is mine

The latency is genuinely impressive, for being on a tablet though a USB. Both input and output latency is solid

[uncut fiber]

nice. Laminated?
USB-C, my tablet is powered only by usb-c and i am on edge with psu, 3070 + 3700X + all other things, and i forgeting plug it in wall, but it works, just powered by only PC throught usb-c

[high skiff]

Mine is an android tablet

[uncut fiber]

corel painter?

[high skiff]

Krita

its a samsung TabS6

I am constantly shocked at the latency

it can do up to 4k120fps too

[glad grove]

is it amoled display?🤩

[uncut fiber]

yes. right. I was bit confused. Too much layout presets and they look very similar

[high skiff]

my tablet runs 1440p@60hz

[high skiff]

yessir

Its to draw on

196% sRGB gamut

tho I run it in accurate mode, not saturated mode

and the induction mesh and pen are both made by wacom. 4096 pressure sensitivity levels, velocity support, tilt support, hover support. Its awesome haha

[uncut fiber]

i know workers in soviet union worked on those numbers fullfill 5 years plan 😄

[high skiff]

and its so cool, cause it runs android

[west breach]

pantone has an interesting effect when you add it to prompts

[high skiff]

So I have an installation of full desktop krita I can also run on the tablet itself on the go

krita porting their desktop app to run natively on android is such a great idea. It has all the functionality of desktop krita, in a tablet form factor. It makes apps like procreate, clipstudio, and the others look like a joke when it comes to functionality and capbility

Even if it is just as clunky as a desktop app lol

[west breach]

pantone road train 😄

[high skiff]

THE PANTRAIN

[west breach]

Microsoft Edge just added rounded borders to how it displays all web pages 😵‍💫

[hardy cipher]

Microsoft round edge

Evolved hands

[hardy cipher]

is that lil pump?

[supple knot]

mona lisa/ gang member

[hardy cipher]

pretty much the same thing

[supple knot]

let see what a picture of lil pump will do

[hardy cipher]

did you like the picture I posted earlier?

[supple knot]

idk lil pump/mona lisa

@hardy cipher I have to find it I posted and left,do you find the frogs?

the first one looks like Deborah Harry

[hardy cipher]

whoa

that's not what I expected

[supple knot]

the lego ones cool too

Do you describe the pictures in the T2i system or leave it blank?

[hardy cipher]

with the ones I've been making lately?

[supple knot]

like in general ,you think it makes a difference

[hardy cipher]

I have a blip model set up to interrogate them. send one to clip g, one to clip l. then send them through styler nodes

yes, it does make a difference

[supple knot]

I have the styler nodes on a separate system, the one Ive been using most is MiDaS Node System

[hardy cipher]

ahh. I was having issus with that recently. probably could have solved it but just got impatient and did other things

[uncut fiber]

poor runner 🙂

[supple knot]

bigfoot vs smallfoot

@hardy cipher MiDaS node was broken they just fixed it with new update

[uncut fiber]

this could be interesting image, but what a arms 😦

[hardy cipher]

ahh. well that makes sense

I should make a midas node. probably isn't that hard

or even better, some other kind of depth map that doesn't get used. and probably sucks for controlnet

[hardy cipher]

ckassy lad

[supple knot]

monalisa/lilpump

Hes got a weird jacket

[supple knot]

Putem in a blender

[hardy cipher]

like that classic eve 6 song

[supple knot]

This one was weird :Pepsi /David Lee Roth

[shy kelp]

K

[hardy cipher]

had to adjust the pump image parameters

[uncut fiber]

this is large nobody 🙂 so large nobody is somebody.

[shy kelp]