#🏞|general-with-images

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smoky oak
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Interesting

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Very curious to see how that works in practice

glossy herald
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it feels around the same kind of uscale I get from their UI

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(a new feature they added recently, when downloading a pic it lets you upscale it)

smoky oak
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So basically not that big of a deal?

glossy herald
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it was quite clean

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and 0.2 credits

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so quite ok in my opinion

smoky oak
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Interesting, interesting

glossy herald
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only x2 when I tried it though

smoky oak
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Ah, that suggests it was the low quality version in that case

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I have about 40 minutes to kill

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Let me take a look and see

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oh god, its its own own huge checkpoint

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hmm

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ohhhh, so you use it as an img2img model it seems

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hmm

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Yeah, I am way less interested in this

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bummer

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oh well

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Real-Gan also seems really old... I am not sure what this is all about

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oh.

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Real ESRGAN is just R-ESRGAN we have had for months

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I am genuinely confused what the point of that announcement was for-

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I wish 2.1 wouldn't have been such a flop

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this is base model?

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if so, those look good for base model

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Not bad for pure base model

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sure, there are lot of artifacts, but the fact that they don't look terrible is a huge step up form normal base 2.1 lol

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It still has some base model issues, but for base model that looks damn good honestly

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Very nice

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imagine how good it would look with a good model if it already looks that solid

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getting base models to not look terrible really is a feat of its own lol

neon crystal
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Reptilian Aliens in India Series 👽

smoky oak
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It's not a subjective thing. It was objectively because I was using JPG for my process, and it caused the issues seen

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JPG works fine for results, but not for upscale

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As you can see, when you use JPG for the upscale process, it causes artifacts

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vs PNG

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I only found out that JPG was the issue around that time

kind quartz
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looking for best carrot tree 😄

smoky oak
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@kind quartzfirst try result lol

kind quartz
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i got them many 😄
it is simply funny

smoky oak
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I like messing with absurd things sometimes haha

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Yeah sure but like, I'd like you take a picture of a snow leopard in the middle of a desert lol. Reality is boring and limited, AI isn't

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I'll hold my thoughts lol

wispy nest
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I mean, why is it okay for you to pay for a service, but not okay to use your own gpu?
You can do blood or whatever if you install it locally

smoky oak
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I have nothing to add to that

wispy nest
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  • you'll get alot more tools to play with...not just gen
smoky oak
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I think this one came out good

kind quartz
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i have him on desert but still there is snow under leopard

wispy nest
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Because you're losing alot of potential?
You can't do alot with it.

smoky oak
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I mean, if you wanna spend money for ease of use, thats valid, but it is far more limited than just running locally

kind quartz
wispy nest
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and idk how much you can actually generate before you'll reach the price of a gpu spent on it...

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like 3060 or something

smoky oak
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But mine looks good, so why the hate?

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Its a little pretentious lol

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@kind quartz

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Just messing around

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Sandy Snepard

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@paper salmonYou didn't answer what is so wrong with my flower image. Why does it matter if its real or not if it looks good?

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So if it did, it would be better?

kind quartz
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@smoky oak rather spoilers it, problem i have is i got prompt in filename

wispy nest
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thinking I can tell those fingers are real

smoky oak
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My point is, if I didn't tell you that it was made up, and you just saw it and thought it was real, what's the big deal?

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Because as of right now, you're only taking my word that it's generated, you don't actually know if it's generated or not lol

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I guarantee you the only reason you feel that way is because I told you it was generated, and you're just taking me at that face value.

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I could have said it was a photograph, and you probably would have believed it too

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You have a huge misunderstanding between the power of a base model versus a fine tune model

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SDXL is a phenomenal base model, however a very well tuned 1.5 model can still handily beat it in several places. The only true excitement of SDXL is the fact that we will be able to fine tune it to become even better than 1.5 is now

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Also, you're not able to use any form of fine tune or specialized model on dream studio, which in and of itself is a huge drawback

wispy nest
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Dreamstudio is limited compared to local install tools, thats what I meant.
You get lots more options to play with , extentions, tools...

smoky oak
wispy nest
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yea I couldn't be bothered to list 😄

smoky oak
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Just to clarify, I'm not saying that there's anything wrong at all with using dream studio, it's a fantastic service, with a reasonable price, and makes a lot of sense for people who do not have the hardware to run stable diffusion on their own. However, it is by no means even remotely as capable or feature packed as a local stable diffusion installation

cursive otter
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#imege smart boy corton profile picture

smoky oak
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Imege

crystal deltaBOT
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FAQ: How do I generate images? Is there a bot on the server?

Currently, there is no bot on the server that generates images. However, there are plenty of other ways such as the official https://beta.dreamstudio.ai/ website or by running Stable Diffusion locally using your own hardware! Check out #1080946152318443610 for more details! You can also stop by #1025467151206854736 for any issues you experience while using DreamStudio or #🤝|tech-support for any problems you encounter while installing it locally!

smoky oak
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Also, by the way, that flower I sent is a real photograph, not a generation.

So congratulations, you just downplayed the artistry in a photograph, because somebody said it was generated... Your judgment of that image was completely based off of the way that somebody presented it to you

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This is a real photograph that I took with a real DSLR, with my real hands, in reality. But because I even so much as suggested (didn't even state) that there was a potential that it was generated, you had a problem with it@paper salmon

cursive otter
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Smart boy corton profile picture

smoky oak
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You can't generate images in the server

crystal deltaBOT
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FAQ: How do I generate images? Is there a bot on the server?

Currently, there is no bot on the server that generates images. However, there are plenty of other ways such as the official https://beta.dreamstudio.ai/ website or by running Stable Diffusion locally using your own hardware! Check out #1080946152318443610 for more details! You can also stop by #1025467151206854736 for any issues you experience while using DreamStudio or #🤝|tech-support for any problems you encounter while installing it locally!

cursive otter
smoky oak
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You cannot generate images in the server.

cursive otter
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Whare i genrate image

smoky oak
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There is no way built into this server to generate images.

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Read the messages I sent multiple times now, they explain how to do it

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I'll send it again

cursive otter
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Ok

crystal deltaBOT
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FAQ: How do I generate images? Is there a bot on the server?

Currently, there is no bot on the server that generates images. However, there are plenty of other ways such as the official https://beta.dreamstudio.ai/ website or by running Stable Diffusion locally using your own hardware! Check out #1080946152318443610 for more details! You can also stop by #1025467151206854736 for any issues you experience while using DreamStudio or #🤝|tech-support for any problems you encounter while installing it locally!

smoky oak
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sighhhhh

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You get one little taste of an extremely limited beta preview model, and now suddenly you're the king of generations

wispy nest
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To be fair...we'll get SDXL on our local install later on too...soooo....

smoky oak
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You do not support the developers. They do not make money off dream studio. You pay the electricity cost of what it takes to run their servers

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Thats fair

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The community by creating models and adaptations for people to use for free, as well as guides and probably one of the highest levels of support in this server, to name a few

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oh and also

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1.5 can do it just as well

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SO ANYWAYS

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oh come on man lmao

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You had to buy a device that can use the web to access discord. Not exactly free!

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It is free, as in no additional cost

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have a decent PC already? Its free to run

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What?

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up until this point, I have been light hearted. I could really tear into all of your SDXL gens and point out the issues with them, but I am not like that

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Dreamstudio costs wayyy more to run than local install

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WAYYYY more

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Also, here, hes happy now

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Also, we have access to additions dream studio has no support for, which is another massive bonus to local running

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Also, fun fact, a lot of native americans did not smile in photographs throughout history as it is thought in many native american cultures to be capable of stealing emotion or even the soul of the beings pictured

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ok, so SDXL's big thing is it can do "Female Native Americans?"

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Thats the selling point?

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proceeds to send images with tons of issues

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I see

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Yes, we get it, its a cool little base model, but SD 1.5 can do all of these things too lmao

open edge
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an akita inu breed dog mixed with a dachshund breed

smoky oak
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@paper salmonI get what you are saying, but all of these images are just showing that you probably never messed with a properly tuned model

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These are very "ok" images

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. . .

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again, we know SDXL can do decent looking images

wispy nest
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We all know SDXL is a good base model, yea, that's why we're all waiting for it and 3.0 base model to release so we can finetune it and use more tools with it thinking

I just don't get why is it okay for you spend money on credits, but not on your gpu

smoky oak
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1.5 can do just as good, if not better lol

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Are you done yet?@paper salmon

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guess not

wispy nest
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yea there only thing there old models can't do was text so far, everything else wasn't that impressive

smoky oak
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@paper salmonI know things that SDXL can't do

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here is a SD 1.5 image

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good luck recreating it in SDXL

wispy nest
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oh...right....I know...

smoky oak
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Keep coping bro

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Here, I have an idea

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Try and generate toothless from how to train your dragon

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see how well that works

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I'll wait

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Or an Opossum

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generate an Opossum, I wanna see it

wispy nest
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some older gens...

smoky oak
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Or a blue person from Avatar, lets see that too

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Genuinely the only thing SDXL can do 100% over 1.5 is text, and for that I will agree, SDXL slaps

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but then again, we have access to controlnet which means we can make infinitely better text anyways

wispy nest
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I think SDXL failed my "ripped, torn" clothes test too

smoky oak
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Alright, lets get this over with

wispy nest
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I'm not doing gens specifically to prove something on my 1050ti lol, maybe when I'll figure out collab situation...

smoky oak
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There, happy now?

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can we move on to something of substance

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@paper salmon Let me know when you get SDXL to generate toothless from HTTYD, an opossum, or a blue person from Avatar. I'll wait

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The truth is, there are genuinely things that SDXL can do better than most 1.5 models, you just haven't shown a single one of them lol

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Oh, and here is a rule of thirds image of 2 native american women, for kicks

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what lmfao

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oh that's right, you have to pay to gen... Damn 😦

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Anyways, I am sure that was a cover up to hide the fact that SDXL can't do any of those things I listed

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oh crap, BRB

wispy nest
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Didn't you just ask for it?

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thinking until few days ago I was using google's hardware for gen

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well, for like 99% of my gens

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was doing quick tests on my own gpu

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I think if I paid for as as for dreamstudio I'd probably could buy 3060 already for spent $ 😄

smoky oak
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Well let's see, my PC cost $1000 6 years ago, and I've generated 98,000 images... So how does that work out? Also, running the math, my GPU uses about 190 watts when generating for 1 hour straight. I can do about 1 image every 2 seconds when speed generating, which is 18,000 images an hour. Let's say that I were to do that consistently for 1 hour, that would be 200 Watts, each day for an entire month, which would come out to about 6,000 Watts, which based off of where I live would come out to around $0.40 a month...

Which one you convert that down turns into about $0.0001 per image.

Also, when factoring in the cost of my hardware, it should also be noted that my computer has made me well over $3,000 in the time that I've had it, so that cost is negligible

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So yeah, running the software that is completely free on hardware that I've had for multiple years prior, works pretty good for me

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So yeah, safe to say that I've generated a hell of a lot more, for a hell of a lot less

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And that's also while having access to all of the exact same models that you have access to, as well as literal thousands that you don't, as well as dozens of different features that you don't...

So yeah, I think that works out pretty reasonably

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I'd love to see your response where you try and figure out in what way I've managed to pay more than the nearly 10 cents an image you're paying for

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Oh also, I should also note that we are planning on getting solar panel sometime soon, of which the electricity for my generations will quite literally be entirely free

kind quartz
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wiser will retreat 🙂

smoky oak
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My mother and I, we just moved into a new house

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If we're talking about screens, two of my screens were hand-me-downs, one of them was a birthday present, my GPU was a 3060 TI of which I got for $400 MSRP, my CPU is a 7700K of which I got for $160, my motherboard is an Asus tough Mark 2 Z270, of which I got for $100, I have 32 GB of RAM that I purchased for about $110, and a 1 TB and VME SSD, as well as several others that have absolutely nothing to do with the function of my computer, but rather other things that make me money...

So yeah

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I do live in the USA, yes

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Oh yeah, there are lots of countries where graphics cards are outrageously expensive

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Oh Jesus, I didn't realize it was THAT bad

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Wow...

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@paper salmon anything else to add?

wispy nest
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3060ti in Russia is basically equivalent of middle class average salary , even higher a bit

smoky oak
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The 3060 TI I did not get 6 years ago, I purchased it two years ago, everything else is 6 years old

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I have a 3060 TI founders edition that I got for MSRP launch price on December 24th 2020. It launched at $399, and I bought it for $399

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1.5 is not out of date software facepalm

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whatever man, I have been engaging in this conversation cause I find your constant subject changing, goal post moving, and coping to be quite entertaining, but this is just causing me physical pain now lol

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quick reminder that nobody here said SDXL isn't good, you were just the only one adamant that it's "better than 1.5"

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which is entirely false, BTW

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Question, are you Native American?

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Also, you, posting an image with the same chieftain head dress

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But yeah, are you Native American?

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Oh for sure, 1.5 base is ass, but 1.5 fine tuned is far more capable, diverse, and feature rich than SDXL at the moment

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SDXL is a fine model, a good one even as I am very excited for it, but its just not better than finetuned V1.5 in its current form

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If somebody is saying something is objectively better than another thing, then they themselves open it up to comparison

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The base is, but the finetunes are nowhere near as good as 1.5 on average unfortunately. Which is why so many people are worried to see if SDXL is finetunable, or if its gonna be a flop like 2.x

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Right, so then why are you worrying about the cultural representation of a culture you are not a part of? If we wanna get into that

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Their claim was SDXL base is better than 1.5 tuned, so they are the ones that opened that comparison

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Their whole thing is how 1.5 in any form isn't as good as good as SDXL, which is just false lol

wispy nest
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Idk how you'd call something outdated if most of SD community using it

smoky oak
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right lol

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You are exhausting

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1.5 can do owls

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Its an owl in general. I had it on hand

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@paper salmonwhat now?

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Guess they have no comment about my owl

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oh well

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I love the scene in this

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So you will waste credits to generate things I have already shown, but none of the things I suggested. Right. Right

surreal thistle
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Playground made these for me.

wispy nest
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would you guys please give it a rest already. i pop my head in here every 10-15 minutes and you've been arguing about stuff for the last 2 hours. just agree to disagree or mute each other ffs

surreal thistle
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Owls are cool.

smoky oak
surreal thistle
smoky oak
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I'll end it with this image, where the owl is looking at the camera like was suggested, rather than flying like was not suggested

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I now have a new animal to play around with, which is nice, cause I have never generated Great Grey owls before

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at least something came out of this immense waste of time lol

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At least mine has eyes KEKW

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ANYWAYS

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I DIGRESS

surreal thistle
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Have some girls.

smoky oak
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the FEMOIDS

surreal thistle
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They do look a bit like robots tho.

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Because of the skin.

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I still like them anyway.

quick helm
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#🏞|general-with-images 3 beautoful women wearing a white oversize hoodies by the beach and rocks by the sea in Sweden, windy weather. Full body image. Natural light. during golden hour, taken with a DSLR camera, using a 35mm prime lens with cinematic lighting.

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how to generate?

crystal deltaBOT
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FAQ: How do I generate images? Is there a bot on the server?

Currently, there is no bot on the server that generates images. However, there are plenty of other ways such as the official https://beta.dreamstudio.ai/ website or by running Stable Diffusion locally using your own hardware! Check out #1080946152318443610 for more details! You can also stop by #1025467151206854736 for any issues you experience while using DreamStudio or #🤝|tech-support for any problems you encounter while installing it locally!

surreal thistle
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Why are her eyes like that?

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They’re not meant to be like that.

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That’s the problem.

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Yeah, gimme a sec.

smoky oak
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...

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I am just gonna act like I didn't just read that message lmao

surreal thistle
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I mostly want more of this.

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But there’s something unnatural about the skin.

kind quartz
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if wrong eyes use extras tab gpfgan or codeformer, it will correct it

kind quartz
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if your result has wrong eyes or so you can automaticaly correct it in extras tab in webui

surreal thistle
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Playground can do it as well.

wispy spindle
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If you're going to critique, please at least be respectful

surreal thistle
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Close up on face, tropical impressionist painting. Wide open lips. E-girl makeup, blonde hair. Crop top with no shoulders, diamond necklace. Impressionist painting of a teenage young girl model. Nordic face. Tropical scenery, pale skin. 19 year old girl. Blushing. Russian model girl, the face of a model. Pino Daeni, Daniel F Gerhartz. Unbelievable lighting and breathtaking atmospheric scenery. Water reflections, fog. Palm trees in the background, smiling, cute model girl with beautiful reflective shimmering eyes and soft pale skin. Richard S. Johnson, perfect composition, beautiful detailed intricate insanely detailed octane render trending on artstation, 8 k artistic photography, photorealistic concept art, soft natural volumetric cinematic perfect light, chiaroscuro, award - winning photograph, masterpiece, oil on canvas, raphael, caravaggio, greg rutkowski, beeple, beksinski, giger

smoky oak
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oh those are upsetting lmao

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I hate how good those look lmao

surreal thistle
wispy spindle
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and then you attached a whole group to it needlessly. You've been warned yesterday so please keep it respectful. Thanks

surreal thistle
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Maybe “imperfect skin” or something?

wispy spindle
glossy herald
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I didn't see you in there

smoky oak
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The artists that you tagged are more than likely averaging out for that smooth look

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I use tags like "textured skin, realistic skin, skin pores" and such

surreal thistle
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Ohh.

smoky oak
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They do, as I use them, but chances are terms you are using are canceling them out

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its a balancing act after all

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uhhh... No?

surreal thistle
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The smoothness does result in an interesting design style, ngl.

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They look more like people out of dreams.

smoky oak
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ohhh, but that also depends on different models and such

surreal thistle
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I don’t really care about realism that much, but I do want my girls to not look like dolls.

smoky oak
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fair haha

surreal thistle
wispy nest
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so...after few tests on cardos animated..it actually looks like a mix of realistic + art \ drawing
Which turns out pretty weird o_O

Not sure if I'd use it, I'd prefer something a bit more specific...
Either closer to art or closer to realistic

smoky oak
surreal thistle
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A bit, yes.

smoky oak
wispy nest
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yea

surreal thistle
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Big ol’ tohongerekoogers.

smoky oak
surreal thistle
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I don’t really care about cleavage in my pictures, but I’m not against it, haha.

wispy nest
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prompt didn't have it, it's just happens with ripped cloth...pretty often

smoky oak
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Some Dobonhonkeros
A real set of dohoonkabhankoloos
Them big ol' bonkhonagahoogs!

surreal thistle
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Humongous hungolomghononoloughongous.

smoky oak
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HOW DO YOU REMEMBER THAT

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I had to go through the whole video lmao

surreal thistle
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My memory can be both a help and a nuisance.

smoky oak
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Apparently lmao

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I have a photographic memory for some things, but they are niche lol

surreal thistle
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I think here the skin looks a bit better.

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Still too fake though.

smoky oak
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Yeah, thats looking much better IMO

surreal thistle
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This is the same prompt, lmao.

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I guess some turned out better than others.

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These are perfect though.

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Imagine an anthropomorphic owl in a tuxedo running up to you with an iron stick.

smoky oak
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I have some anthro owls too

surreal thistle
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Show them.

smoky oak
surreal thistle
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Cool.

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Also Dezgo can do anime pretty well.

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Here the poreless skin actually makes sense.

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It still needs work when it comes to fingers though.

smoky oak
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I was messing around with owlin character design for my friends DND campaign

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Also side note. My synesthesia has been really really aggressive these last few days, and this section of this song has had me in a synesthetic choke hold

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Tickles my brain meat in the right way I suppose lol

surreal thistle
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I’ve been listening to dub all the time lately.

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Mad Professor, King Tubby and the rest.

smoky oak
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There are just so many genres and scenes of bass music its impossible to run out of new and interesting songs

surreal thistle
smoky oak
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I mean, if you hate modern dubstep, of course you'd hate future dubstep lol

surreal thistle
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Past dubstep was cool.

smoky oak
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thats your ping in there lol

surreal thistle
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Not my cup of tea.

smoky oak
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This is another new generation shapeless melodic drop. These are the sounds that really set off my audio visual reactions cause they are so organic I guess you could say

surreal thistle
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If I listen to electronic music, I pick techno.

smoky oak
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oh yeah, much much older stuff

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also jesus why is that so loud

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bout blew my eardrums out lmao

surreal thistle
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Weird.

surreal thistle
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I listen to it at a medium volume.

smoky oak
wispy nest
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I'm mostly on dark trap lately...

smoky oak
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oh, do you like to headbang by chance?

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I have a song that puts me in a neck brace every time lol

wispy nest
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If it's actual dark trap, like istasha, kiraw, corpse - go ahead thinking

surreal thistle
glossy herald
smoky oak
smoky oak
surreal thistle
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Synesthesia is when you hear colors and stuff?

smoky oak
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for me, yes

surreal thistle
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Cool.

smoky oak
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I have multi facet audiocentric synesthesia

surreal thistle
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I don’t have synesthesia, but rather a very rich imagination.

smoky oak
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Can be emotions, sensations, colors, shapes, all sorts of things

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some songs affect me, others don't

wispy nest
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hmmmm...anger sounds like what I might want thinking but eh, I think I'm good on it for now, waiting for new album to drop waow

smoky oak
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I have a few tearout tracks, which are about as intense as it gets before you end up at deathsetp, which is just straight up noise

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nothing makes me smile more than CRUNCH

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Oh, I do have a bit of color trap lol

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its a very fun mix of styles

surreal thistle
smoky oak
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ohhhh, you mean dub dub

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ok, I se what you mean lmao

surreal thistle
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Also, why does it sound worse in Discord?

smoky oak
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I wonder if you would like New Amsterdam... It is very much old dub inspired with more complex sound design and a little more energy

surreal thistle
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Mmm.

smoky oak
surreal thistle
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Maybe because I’m using headphones?

glossy herald
smoky oak
surreal thistle
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This is pretty atmospheric, I think.

smoky oak
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Also, just noticed your pfp, big fan

surreal thistle
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Yeah. Only if I had a purple role to go along with it.

smoky oak
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Angry sound, aggressive oscillations lol

wispy nest
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One day she'll figure out how to hold sword thinking

kind quartz
surreal thistle
smoky oak
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totally understandable

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my tastes have gotten more and more diverse and subsequently nasty over the years of my venturing into bass music as a whole

surreal thistle
smoky oak
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and also I have synesthesia, which can make the goofiest sounds amazing to me

surreal thistle
smoky oak
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I do not

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I don't tend to listen to bands over solor artists

surreal thistle
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I don't really listen to anything other than dub these days.

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But at least I try to find something new every day to not get tired.

smoky oak
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oh yeah, absolutely not my style of music. I can appreciate it tho

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I am not a fan of most traditional instruments unless done in a unique/new way, which is rare nowdays

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I am listening to it lol

surreal thistle
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You said you like complex soundscapes?

smoky oak
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I do, yes

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specifically spectrally complex

surreal thistle
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The song I'm about to share does have traditional instruments.

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But they masterfully blend in with the dub.

smoky oak
#

Yeah, I am not a fan of face to face at all personally

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Its too traditional to me, sounds like a lot of songs I have heard, and i just generally do not have good reactions to most traditional instruments now

surreal thistle
#

Ohh.

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Kinda weird.

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Because you can't go wrong with traditional instruments.

smoky oak
#

the more unique something is, the more I am inclined to have a powerful reaction

surreal thistle
#

The guitar, saxophone, piano or harmonica are a staple of the dub genre.

smoky oak
#

not available in my country :<

#

same with that one

#

Stupid region locking

surreal thistle
#

Maybe you’ll like this one?

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It has both traditional and digital instruments.

#

AND dub.

smoky oak
#

Its a fine song, not really much of a reaction from me

#

I have an extremely picky ear for mixing and mastering, and I am not a fan of the mixing on that song

#

I do like some of the digital elements

surreal thistle
#

So future bass gives you the best reactions.

smoky oak
#

Several different niche genres

#

future bass, color bass, future riddim, tearout, and many other more niche genres

surreal thistle
#

Have you by any chance heard of Boris Brejcha?

smoky oak
#

That sounds familiar

#

Yeah!

surreal thistle
#

It's like house and techno mushed together.

smoky oak
#

I have

#

I recognize his visuals

surreal thistle
#

This is a good song.

smoky oak
#

Techno has never been too much of my jam, personally, but I do like a little bit of house

smoky oak
#

I have heard this song before

surreal thistle
#

Good.

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Too bad you don't like techno.

smoky oak
#

had somebody else show me his stuff a while back

surreal thistle
#

Too bad I don't like future riddim.

smoky oak
#

Yes, its playing

surreal thistle
#

I'm a fan of traditional dub.

smoky oak
#

The beginning instrumentation is gorgeous in this

however I am major not liking the phase relations in this song

#

Dare I say severely disliking

#

but that intro was very very pretty

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I do like traditional instruments in that case

surreal thistle
#

I don't have synesthesia. However, my imagination can be so strong that I can visit different places with my mind.

smoky oak
#

I have never been a fan of conflicting phase relationships

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I find it horribly distracting, and even agitating unfortunately

surreal thistle
#

Dub music transports me to Jamaica or Africa.

wispy nest
#

I'd post something too, but I think all of my songs include explicit lyrics lol

smoky oak
#

I'll give it a listen

#

trap is a subset form of modern bass music after all lol

#

I wasn't prepared for just how much I love melodic trap lol

#

I vibe with this much more

surreal thistle
#

I love how this conversation went completely away from AI.

smoky oak
#

Its got extremely clear and clean production, which is typically one of my biggest turn offs. If its badly produced, good luck getting em to like it

#

but damn that is crisp and clean

surreal thistle
#

So you like trap.

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And house.

smoky oak
#

Some aspects

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I like modern house

surreal thistle
#

You might like the music I make.

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I have a Bandcamp.

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Unavailable.

#

Weird how Brazilian music is not available in Russia.

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Also not.

#

So do I drop my Bandcamp or...?

wispy nest
#

Russia is outcast now, welcome to the world after 24.02.2022

smoky oak
#

sorry, I am gonna be busy for a little bit

surreal thistle
#

Unavailable.

smoky oak
surreal thistle
#

I use GarageBand, Soundtrap and Groovepad mostly.

smoky oak
#

Well, I am more of a sound designer than a producer at the moment, but I am working on an album

surreal thistle
#

I want to switch to Ableton, but my laptop is potato.

wispy nest
surreal thistle
#

Unavailable.

wispy nest
#

everything else is marked "explicit" all over it lol

surreal thistle
#

It's all Brazilian, right?

#

Also unavailable for some reason.

#

Very weird.

#

I guess that's got something to do with me being in Russia at the moment.

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But Samba de Janeiro is available.

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Literally the most Brazilian song ever.

wispy nest
#

same for cazuza

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and Sozinho

surreal thistle
#

Maybe it's got something to do with Discord.

wispy nest
#

oh yea I opened them in a browser

surreal thistle
#

Barbara Palvin's face seems to work really well with AI.

edgy shard
surreal thistle
#

Emma Watson's face is for some reason very hard for AI.

#

But Benedict Cumberbatch's isn't.

mighty flame
#

Can someone help me use vector studio to make a sticker out of a real picture?

wispy nest
surreal thistle
#

Or is it just simpler to draw?

wispy nest
dense tapir
dense tapir
#

Oh, yeah I am sold on Vlad's fork for sure. So much faster in everything on my old 1060.

dense tapir
#

6gb

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I am now doing 50 steps ddim for less time than 20

#

No, but why?

#

Naw, I have no issues with Russian and is better than having the dumb yellow, blue flag

#

you see that on twitter bios, etc...

dense tapir
#

Have nothing against them but I 1000 percent do their current leader. Anyway this is geopolitical so this political discussion is over.

rain gazelle
#

whoa

#

Performance on Vlad's was the same for me.

#

Did I miss a tweak somewhere?

rain gazelle
ripe cedar
#

I use ControlNet to generate stuff with good hands and then hi-res fix upscale (I know, it's bad) ends up messing up the hands and making everything else better. Is there a way which makes the hands ok?

rain gazelle
#

try lowering your denoise for the hi-res fix.

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g'night

smoky oak
#

Howdy

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I have awoken

smoky oak
#

the problem is not high res fix, its latent upscale for high res fix

dense tapir
#

@smoky oakLet me tell you I feel the power

smoky oak
#

What happened?

dense tapir
#

I ditched Auto

smoky oak
#

For?

dense tapir
#

Euler_A 20 steps 40s Vlad 46s Auto1111. 768x768 Vlads is superior speed wise and has it all setup for pytorch2

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on a faster card 2x

#

people are fleeing auto now for vlad

smoky oak
#

Interesting, but hows its upscale support?

dense tapir
#

I dunno that is your department not mine. He does updates and PRs and auto is pretty much abandoned automatic1111

smoky oak
#

Intereasting, maybe I will try it

dense tapir
#

you should since it does it all for you

#

at least to see if you get a speed increase

#

I know I sure did

smoky oak
#

sure

#

wheres the documentation?

dense tapir
#

polus all the shit I use for a gen it just loads it kerpow and there

#

same as auto

#

I can help ya but not much help will be needed

smoky oak
#

I just need the link if possible

ripe cedar
#

I was getting black images more often with Vlad with ControlNet depending on the settings, but it works better overall. Definitely recommend it

smoky oak
#

thank you

dense tapir
serene rampart
#

hello

dense tapir
#

he is merging/working with another well known fork. This is getting good now

serene rampart
#

anyone make nsfw?

smoky oak
serene rampart
#

can i dm you?

smoky oak
#

ohhh, Vlad is a fork of A1111

ripe cedar
#

Some consolidation in the UI space is good I think. Perhaps it means people working on it will join forces in the longer term over a single project

smoky oak
#

that is attractive

#

cause that means it shouls support high res fix and the scripts

#

HMMM

dense tapir
#

yes, so is another about to merge so the coming together of two fantastic forks

ripe cedar
#

Add a knife and you've got a full meal

dense tapir
#

yep

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that top dude his fork is awesome too

smoky oak
#

So I just clone the repository in my folder of choice?

dense tapir
#

yep

smoky oak
#

alrighty, I will do that then

dense tapir
#

after a few minutes I am already at home but the first few was a bit of a shock just because new

#

vlad is strict on github and he answers fast (does he sleep? no).

#

btw, I learned my lesson today, as did another, that the github search is shit. Made us both out as if we were lazy and stupid

#

Now on I use google to search github

#

I am really wondering how fast your normal gen is compared to auto on that 3060ti

smoky oak
#

If Vlad is as good as you say, I'll happily switch

smoky oak
dense tapir
#

He always was good as I used him when 2.0 came and auto refused to make it work for three weeks

#

it was just a working shell of auto back then now just wow

#

I wish it were not on gradio but can't have it all

#

oh, at least I haven't OOM on vlad yet but on auto 5-6 times an hour at least

#

so bad I couldn't even change models without an OOM but not once on vlad so he fixed something

smoky oak
#

this is the cleanest installer I have ever seen

dense tapir
#

if you don't speed up after I gained about 12% something is way wrong

smoky oak
#

very clean and tidy

dense tapir
#

yep

smoky oak
#

I appreciate being able to see whats happening

dense tapir
#

precisely

#

a lot of extension are now defaulted in

#

I don't use controlnet so I disabled it

ripe cedar
#

Yeah it installs a lot of the bread and butter stuff but it's convenient that you can disable stuff you don't need.

smoky oak
dense tapir
#

WOW, alright hmm

smoky oak
#

Cause this is still A1111, I should be able to run this as my persistent web server still, which is super nice

dense tapir
#

--api is gone

smoky oak
#

I don't use --api

#

I use --listen --auth

dense tapir
#

yeah it was replaced but I don't use it either

smoky oak
#

I port forward the listen to my router and direct connect with IP, then enter my credentials to gain access

dense tapir
#

first up, webui-user.bat is not there

smoky oak
#

yeah, just webui.bat

dense tapir
#

you can grab it from auto and place it in the folder and use it

#

watch for the flags that changed or no longer exist

#

all of my optimizations went POOF because they are now in settings. Oh, and KILL --xformers. remove it

smoky oak
#

wait why?

#

I am not willing to give up xformers for its memory optimization

dense tapir
#

cause you are about to use the real Pytorch 2.0 and sdp

smoky oak
#

alright, if you say so

#

I'll test both

dense tapir
#

yeah, you can switch via settings if you wanty

smoky oak
#

oh, so you don't have to restart the whole web UI?

dense tapir
#

Look at all those optimizations, lol

#

smoke 'em if ya got 'em

smoky oak
#

I need to copy some models over, then I can compare

#

There we go

#

luckily my NVME drives FLY at model transfer lol

dense tapir
#

This sounds like what SHARK does but I couldn't get it to work

smoky oak
#

I just relaunched the bat and its reinstalling the whole programs?

#

whats up with that?

dense tapir
#

didn't for me

#

of course I have no idea what is in your .bat

smoky oak
#

ok, it looks like it fixed some previous warnings or something

dense tapir
#

yes

#

it really is good at it

smoky oak
#

hope it doesn't do that every time

dense tapir
#

naw

smoky oak
#

oh jesus, that black orange style is hideous lol

#

oh well, it will work for now

dense tapir
#

I don't mind it at all now

#

it grew on me

#

sort of like herpes

#

when the other guy merges expect a shit ton of themes

#

even for mobile devices

smoky oak
#

hmm...

#

Its slower

#

9.4it/s

#

but it feels more responsive

#

like the image pops up when done considerably faster

#

Should I try BF16?

dense tapir
#

yes

smoky oak
#

do I need to restart UI for those changes?

dense tapir
#

maybe, or at least I would for something that drastic

smoky oak
#

ok, and now its errors

#

can't pull the prompt from the last image I generated

#

whole think is broken now

#

well thats a fun first experience lol

dense tapir
#

what did you do?

smoky oak
#

restarted web UI

#

now I can't access any samplers

#

and now the images don't show up when done

#

fun

#

Guess I am restarting the whole program

dense tapir
#

Oh, I thought you did

smoky oak
#

ok, it reloaded last prompt now

#

9.7it/s

dense tapir
#

now switch to xformers via settings

smoky oak
#

Where do I enable that?

dense tapir
#

settings

smoky oak
#

lmao

#

yeah, but where?

#

its not in cuda settings

#

ah, found it

#

settings-stable diffusion, cross attention xformers

dense tapir
#

stable diffusion

#

click it

#

this is so fast for me now I can have image previews and not a single slow down

smoky oak
#

ok, so restarting the UI is useless, good to know

#

so settings changes are a full program restart

dense tapir
#

these are huge ass changes

smoky oak
#

not THAT big of a deal when I get it tuned

#

m'kay, this UI is getting on my nerse

dense tapir
#

you know, I haven't looked at my vram usage. I know xformers is 5.9gb

smoky oak
#

restarted and now its nothing but trace back errors

dense tapir
#

I don't use that on even auto for that reason I close the cli and start it over

smoky oak
#

Never had a single issue with web ui restart on auto

#

oh well

#

where does one put command line args?

dense tapir
#

in the webui-user.bat

smoky oak
#

Not seeing any section for command line args

dense tapir
#

set COMMANDLINE_ARGS=--theme dark --lowvram --xformers --disable-safe-unpickle --port 9000

#

that is mine from auto

smoky oak
#

just paste that anywhere?

dense tapir
#

no

smoky oak
#

cause that isn't in mine

#

there is no set commandline_args in mine

#

only set I have in my whole bat

dense tapir
smoky oak
#

What the hell

#

oh wait, you copied over webui-bat over?

dense tapir
#

webui-user.bat I said just copy it over from auto

smoky oak
#

ahhh, alright

dense tapir
#

his didn't even come with one

smoky oak
#

ok so --xformers is gone

#

hmm

#

wonder why they nuked that

dense tapir
#

lives in settings now

smoky oak
#

weird, enabled it and no speed change

#

ok, vlad has a huge red flag for me

#

no insecure extension access

#

that is an absolute pain in the ass

#

So far I am not sold on this UI at all

#

its slower

#

@dense tapirany ideas why its considerably slower?

#

cause this isn't gonna get me to switch

#

gonna head to head compare for cerain

dense tapir
#

No idea because not a single person has said it was slower only faster

smoky oak
#

alright, for this test it took 11.79 seconds

#

time to compare directly to a1111

dense tapir
#

For me I can't use xformers it gives me an OOM

#

probably some setting I missed

#

yep, missed one

smoky oak
#

oh hohoho wait

#

Vlad is WAY faster in this test-

#

@dense tapirI am very confused

#

A1111 is faster on paper

#

but the actual time is slower

#

I get 10.5it/s in A1111, vs 9.7 in Vlad, but VLAD was way faster in 10 batch

dense tapir
#

Yep

#

that is Pytorch2 and his coding

smoky oak
#

ok and now its not as fast

#

I don't know

#

so weird

#

so A1111 is faster in single image

#

2.22s vs 2.34s

#

but in 10 batch its

#

15.85/11.79

#

and it seems to be strictly down to post processing time

#

doing 8 x 50 samples to make for sure certain

#

8x50 took 33.34s in A1111

#

trying vlad now

#

34.1s in vlad

#

trying a second time to make sure it wasn't just a first start up slow gen

#

33.83s

#

hmm...

dense tapir
#

not sure what to tell you but all signs are pointing to automatic1111 being abandoned and eventually you will have to leave it. Why yours is slower beats me.

smoky oak
#

It seems close enough to not be a huge deal speed wise, but Vlad is a hell of a lot more touchy for me, thats for sure

dense tapir
#

I mean, hell, I even got faster.

#

oh, let's try a setting for you

smoky oak
#

alright

dense tapir
#

go to settings

smoky oak
#

oops

#

just a sec

dense tapir
#

cuda settingas

#

*settings

#

mimic that

smoky oak
#

I will in just a bit

dense tapir
#

k

smoky oak
#

I messed up

dense tapir
#

still, mimic that it will help if you use sdp

smoky oak
#

Expiramenting with some other settings

dense tapir
#

Damn, I had to ticket this

#

00:23:05-192311 INFO Installing package: xformers==0.0.17
00:23:07-055986 INFO Verifying requirements
00:23:07-099210 INFO No changes detected: Quick launch active
00:23:07-102213 INFO Running extension preloading
00:23:07-103214 INFO Server arguments: ['--theme', 'dark', '--lowvram', '--disable-safe-unpickle', '--port',
'9000']
No module 'xformers'. Proceeding without it.
Available models: D:\vlads_automatic\models\Stable-diffusion 90
Loading theme: black-orange

#

no wonder I OOM'd

smoky oak
#

Hmm

#

this is all so strange

#

different combinations of cross memory attention are slower or faster for me

dense tapir
#

yes

#

same for us all

#

sdp is supposed to be the fastest

smoky oak
#

just trying to find a combination that can match a1111's sopeed

dense tapir
#

it is what came with pytorch2

#

what you should be doing is going to vlad and asking why it would be slower cause the dude knows his shit

#

he isn't a script kiddie like auto

smoky oak
#

ok, SDP isn't too bad

#

its just slightly slower than A1111

#

trying each combination. Its annoying that I have to restart vlad every time, but oh well

#

@dense tapirbingo

#

10.29it/s in vlad

dense tapir
#

That's a start

smoky oak
#

Scaled dot prod/SDP for that

#

trying other combinations still

dense tapir
#

I blew mine up some how

smoky oak
#

oop

dense tapir
#

made it way slower

smoky oak
#

I got down to 2.2s/it lol

dense tapir
#

my speed, YAY

#

lol

smoky oak
#

ok, doggettx is a lot slower

dense tapir
#

yeah, old

smoky oak
#

yeesh

#

43 seconds

dense tapir
#

Might work on 3 digit nvidia cards

smoky oak
#

only 8.02it/s with dog

dense tapir
#

Maxwell

smoky oak
#

for shame

#

trying invoke

#

also slow

#

not as slow

#

but slow

#

8.7it/s

dense tapir
#

I am going to reinstall 😦

smoky oak
#

trying sub quad now

dense tapir
#

what this needs is a reset settings to default

#

not all at once just a section one

#

I wanted that on auto too

smoky oak
#

oh LAWD Sub quad is slowwww

#

6.6it/s

dense tapir
#

notice you have sliders for that

smoky oak
#

💀

smoky oak
dense tapir
#

even vram threshold

smoky oak
#

trying split attention finally

dense tapir
#

that left me with a black square

smoky oak
#

So far scaled dot/SDP is the best

dense tapir
#

yes, it is the newest

smoky oak
#

weird how it just barely ties A1111 for me

#

split attention is the slowest

#

alrighty

#

6.1it/s

#

ok, so disabling split attention

#

kills everything lol

#

OOM everywhere

dense tapir
#

heh

#

I hope this fixes the shit I did

#

I doubt it as it says unloading xformers

#

rip out venv

#

I know pytorch2 does use less vram

#

they said it would and yeah

smoky oak
#

@dense tapirOk weird

#

so

#

hmmm

#

I changed some of your settings and my batch got decently faster

#

from 1.58it/s to 1.67it/s for 8 batch

#

but my single image went from 10.3it/s to 9.5it/s

#

how weird

#

yeah, so my batch went to 31s which is baster than A1111's 33.34

#

its this setting

#

on gets me higher single image, lower multi

#

off is higher multi, lower single

#

how weird

dense tapir
#

that is a big one for 4090 and 3090 but mostly for 4090

smoky oak
#

FP16 seems to be the tiniest bit faster than BF16

#

like 2% maybe

dense tapir
#

BF16 is FP16 on roids is why.

#

they are both 16 bits

#

whatever you do don't zap venv as I am going to have to start all over it appears

#

ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'clip'

smoky oak
#

@dense tapirWhat is cuDNN?

#

cause its giving me some weird results

#

HOLY HELL

#

ok

#

what is this

#

it takes like 10 seconds to work, but then boom, 11.9it/s

#

it takes a long time to start, and a long time to process after

#

but while its generating it hits the highest speeds I have ever seen on my GPU

#

but once it does that once, its fine

#

but only at that batch size

#

this is so weird

#

if I go from 1 to 8, it has to do the whole process again-

dense tapir
#

cuDNN is your cuda stuff

smoky oak
#

1.65it/s 8 batch, 11.6it/s 1 batch

dense tapir
#

yeah, this is touchy af. No more just ripping out venv

smoky oak
#

1.98s for one image

#

what is this sorcery

dense tapir
#

wth?

smoky oak
#

its really slow to first use, but then its insanely fast

dense tapir
#

how did you manage that>

#

?

#

OH, OH

smoky oak
#

Enable cuDNN

dense tapir
#

did you click that compile shit?

smoky oak
#

it takes a long time to gen, but once it has, it flies

#

I have seen up to 11.9it/s with this setting on

dense tapir
#

well, you haven't seen anything yet if that compile will work

smoky oak
#

I am disabling this for the time being

#

gonna try to get compile to work

dense tapir
#

Not sure how it works as there is no compile button but might be for batch work so only temp

smoky oak
#

its doing something

#

the gen has paused at the start again like cuDNN did

#

CPU is at 15%

#

RAM is slowly increasing

#

perhaps this is it

dense tapir
#

yes

smoky oak
#

ok, its no faster on this setting

#

1.54it/s at 8 batch

dense tapir
#

SHARK will make a big model file that anytime you use that resolution and that model it uses it instead and flies faster than the wind

smoky oak
#

ok, this is behaving exactly like cuDNN, but not as fast

dense tapir
#

use together?

smoky oak
#

ok now its faster

#

1.65it/s on 8 batch

#

11.4it/s again

#

screw it

#

trying together lol

#

I mean honestly

#

having to wait a few minutes at the start for a 10% speed increase from then on is a win IMO

#

cause I keep my SD active for like a week at a time lol

dense tapir
#

I wish it would work like SHARK

smoky oak
#

together is still 11.4 it/s average

dense tapir
#

Yeah, experimental but there is hope

#

I love how fast it loads a model

#

this is how fast Linux loads it on auto

#

At least my speed is back. I am not sure what happened

#

happened after I let it do xformers

smoky oak
#

trying cudagraphs

dense tapir
wispy nest
#

gave Vlad a try thanks to you guys talking about it. loads my embedding -substantially- faster. which is important for me lol

smoky oak
#

ok, its dooin stuff

#

ok, cudagraphs is faster to get to the sped up result

#

about 7 seconds waited before gen

dense tapir
smoky oak
#

oof, but the post gen wait is huge here

#

come owwwnnn

wispy nest
smoky oak
#

7 seconds pre, 50 seconds post

smoky oak
#

11.4 it/s cap again

#

I wonder if thats a CPU limit I'm hitting

dense tapir
#

you need to be watching your cuda gpu in task manager. If it is staying 100% then that is your hard limit

smoky oak
#

trying aot ts nvfuser

smoky oak
dense tapir
#

to get to the cuda you have to use the drop down

smoky oak
#

does the same with render

static tusk
dense tapir
#

default is 3d not cuda

smoky oak
#

ok, nvfuser was the best so far

#

only a few seconds wait before and after gen

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but its only 10.4 it/s

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which is basically my normal speed

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also, cuda is working now

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thank you <3

dense tapir
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🙂

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I wish we could make that the default in TM instead of 3d

smoky oak
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I think I have opened vlad more today than A1111 ever lol

dense tapir
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I got an error so maybe my card is finally dying.

smoky oak
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I am using cuDNN and its suddenly working way faster

dense tapir
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cuDNN gave me a weird error

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I need to use it maybe

smoky oak
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Wait a sec

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I think I know what cuDNN benchmark is doing

dense tapir
smoky oak
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it seems to run the whole process, cache it, and then keep it in memory to speed it up

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WOO 1.71it/s batch size 8

dense tapir
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I don't do batches so which was for speeding up singles?

smoky oak
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oh shoot, i forgot

dense tapir
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batch is super slow even with the benchmark on

smoky oak
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ahhh

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its the uhh

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torch memory

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that speeds up single

dense tapir
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this is hideous

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10 times slower for batch 5

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7-8 times so faster 1 by 1

smoky oak
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Time to burn rubber

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ok so torch mem with cuDNN is the fastest

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but it has a really long start and end pause

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but once you do that one, it flies

dense tapir
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never worked for me

smoky oak
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Now we're flying

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batch size 8

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Alright, these are my final settings I am sticking with

dense tapir
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I wish

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so you turned on benchmarking and

smoky oak
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yes, it takes a long time before and after, but its the fastest of both

dense tapir
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didn't do anything for me

smoky oak
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weird

dense tapir
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must be some tensor core thing

smoky oak
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yeah maybe

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oh wow, something with my settings is hammering my VRAM

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Dreamstudio is the current option

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Oh isn't lexica like extremely bad or something?

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Yeah, lexcia was in a huge legal battle

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They both appear to run basic SD models with meh results

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My recommendation for free Ai is actually https://dream.ai/create

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it does way better than the two you just said

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Mage space's result

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Wombo dreams result

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Mage space

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its also faster

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and has tons of styles

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its a solid service honestly, its what i came from

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its not as good as actual SD, but its a lot better than lexica and mage space

dense tapir
silk tendon
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Now everyone is equal

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All hail communism

mental cipher
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im new to SD and im trying something basic and i cant seem to get the result, im not trying to change her face just make her vibrant, i know somethings wrong with my prompt or settings just could use some advice from the pros

silk tendon
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Are you using a vae?

mental cipher
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whats that? probably not

kind quartz
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how about in promt type: Make her vibrant

silk tendon
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Look up berry mix vae

mental cipher
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i added vibrant

kind quartz
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i meant only make her vibrant without anything

smoky oak
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just use a photo editor-

mental cipher
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like gimp? or photoshop?

smoky oak
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yeah, something

still bay
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How to generate images

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mental cipher
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i dont know how to do it in gimp or photoshop either lol newbie over here

dense tapir
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@smoky oakI toggled those on and it is sitting here doing something as my card is revved up for a min now but no its

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Dang, still sitting here

smoky oak
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@wispy nestComparison between Mage, Dream, and dedicated SD

dense tapir
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100% utilized now it comes

smoky oak
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cuDNN takes a while

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it has to go through the entire generation first, then actually do it, then cache it a third time

dense tapir
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almost 5m

smoky oak
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but you only have to do it once, then that res and batch is cached

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unless you restart SD, then it has to do it again

dense tapir
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5m exactly

smoky oak
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but if all you do is square gens, the time saving could be worth it eventually

dense tapir
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I am still waiting for it to appear

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sheesh, must be a tensor core thing

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still waiting

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I guess this will be a 10+ min dealio

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so, same rez and same model it remembers?

smoky oak
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A photograph of a woman in a mexican dancing dress, smiling, tan skin, curly black hair

Mage, dream, SD

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SD has a bit of a quality jump haha

smoky oak
dense tapir
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This is not to be used for non TC cards unless you had a ton to gen with

smoky oak
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batch, size, and model

dense tapir
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SHARK does this but saves the file as a model so it just uses it the next time

smoky oak
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the faster the GPU, the easier it is to use

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also, both together is WAY slower

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just cuDNN isn't that slow

dense tapir
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you said to do both 😦

smoky oak
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that is the fastest overall gen speed for single and batch, but it takes a longgg time to load

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if you just want single then its just memory like I said before

dense tapir
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Well, just one or the other didn't do anything for me

smoky oak
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then I am not sure in that case

dense tapir
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My card is still revving along

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