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wispy nest
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can you check how sdxl does with biblically accurate seraphs

smoky oak
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Sure I suppose

wispy nest
smoky oak
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Examples?

dense tapir
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Optional

wispy nest
dense tapir
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I figure best to not then gen with it

smoky oak
wispy nest
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would be cool

smoky oak
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there is like 0 content out there for biblically accurate angels

dense tapir
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yeah

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plenty of demons

smoky oak
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all we get is the shit ass interpretation people have cherry picked

wispy nest
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because demons look cool

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which is why doom exists

dense tapir
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says something about humans

wispy nest
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I wonder how sdxl would draw a caco

dense tapir
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stairway to heaven vs a highway to hell, lol

smoky oak
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I am not gonna say I am a satanist cause we have cooler merch but I mean... Its a plus lol

wispy nest
dense tapir
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btw, I have often wondered if this is partly why 2.1 is so damn hard to train?

smoky oak
smoky oak
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IIRC, it only pertains to the goof ass 768x copies of SD 2.x

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something to do with handling different resolutions, but don't quote me on that

dense tapir
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2.1 demands v_parm

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Yes, cause SAI did it shitastically where only partially is it 768x768

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reason 2.x had stretched necks so much and weird long faces

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thing is v2 is 2.0 and v_parm is 2.0+ or 2.1

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I tried once to leave it off and total mess

wispy nest
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ah

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newer SD models are hard to run because they use 768^2 res images

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I just remembered

dense tapir
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realisticvision is 4 gigs

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colab I have no space on

wispy nest
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It's not able to do that, unfortunately, it's still applying "word" for whole prompt.
But the problem is - I think it's good in some situations, often we want to apply style to whole thing.
We need seperate "syntax" to "enclose" prompt styling just to one word or phrase, like

woman wearing |red hat| will mean only hat will be red, but there might be problems with implementations of this too...
Since we're typing hat, AI might want to do hats on other objects and it will need it's own enclosure and so...if we going to do that "perfectly" at some point, it'll mean we have to make AI actually understand what is applied to what and "overall" image styles should be it's own separate global thing


What I was talking about....AI needs to be smart, yea.

wispy nest
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ppl I see usually get like

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20it/s

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I get like 10 seconds per iteration

smoky oak
smoky oak
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"A photograph of a man with sunglasses, a cowboy hat, blue denim jeans, a red plaid vest, leaning against a beat up pickup truck at sunset with a hand on his hip"

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It listens really damn well

wispy nest
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based on what I've seen , it applying colors all over the place, as usually - add color all over the place , or at least color shades, not just 1 object

wispy nest
smoky oak
wispy nest
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ye

smoky oak
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A bouquet of red white and blue flowers

wispy nest
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I want an amd GPU because I'm on Linux but not really because of AI

dense tapir
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4090 is about 28-32 or using the new tech 40-60

smoky oak
dense tapir
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tensor power

wispy nest
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I solved the issue (mostly) of my screen freezing and my PC locking up after a few generations by using zram

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Wasn't using swap before

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Now it just eventually freezes and lets me move my cursor

dense tapir
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I fixed my issue by going to 48 gigs of ram

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my ryzen is not happy though as it wants its CL16 back but can't do it

wispy nest
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I was gonna upgrade to a 3900xt

dense tapir
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ryzen, especially first gen, is heavily depdant on cl

wispy nest
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but bent the pins and broke the mobo or something idk

wispy nest
# smoky oak those are blue jeans and a red plaid vest... IDK what to say man

1.try more specific test, get 1 color and see if it will apply to other objects - I can guarantie - it will apply it to as many objects as it can + add shading on WHOLE image of this color.
2.. Another test would be to specify 2 colors to 2 specific objects only , different objects.
You'll see this 2 colors on everything too

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I mean...you was there when Guiz posted images

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maybe when SDXXXXXXL comes out

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it will render hands correctly

dense tapir
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when I train I want to use the ema version, right?

smoky oak
wispy nest
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I got hands working somewhat well

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awhile ago

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not perfect though

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I made my pfp

smoky oak
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woah what do we have here

wispy nest
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I think it might be a little bit better at hands and holding things, but eh, idk

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SD isn't bad at holding stuff anymore I think

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if so , not significantly

smoky oak
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You guys who are doubting SDXL clearly have never used a base model, cause you would see that SDXL is curb stomping 1.5 lol\

wispy nest
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I don't use base models at all

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And don't think I can run sdxl

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You are just trying to spread false info...that's what I don't like

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I see it's decent as base model

smoky oak
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How is this false? lol

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it has gotten almost everything I have ever tried in it right when all the others are right maybe 15% of the time

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statistically, that is a monumental improvement

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"A photograph of a purple layered cake ontop of a green table cloth with flowers"

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consistent colors, once again

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same thing in 1.5

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same in 2.1

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SDXL is clearly massively better here, I don't know what else I need to say

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no layers in the other two, neither of them look like photographs, and the flowers in both others took on the colors described while SDXL didn't

sterile kiln
smoky oak
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I tested SDXL extensively last night with some friends, and it almost never missed, while the others almost never hit lol

wispy nest
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  • it can do colors correctly if you specify each thing (but not always), but so can 1.5 models, unless they don't understand words in prompt.
  • it keeps problem of applying colors to whole prompt \ image - that problem still persists and feels like it got even worse, but idk
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It's improvement on understanding prompt, but not coloring specific parts

smoky oak
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"A photograph of a white woman with red white and blue colored braids"

1.5

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VS SDXL

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I mean its pretty damn obvious, I don't know how much more you want

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SDXL can also do images at night

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which none of the others have been able to do

wispy nest
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Look at this images

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it applied colors you specified to all elements on the image, even background is made of shades of this colors

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On both models

smoky oak
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You are severely nitpicking things

wispy nest
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You will see it on every gen you do if you pay attention

smoky oak
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if you can't see the leaps and bounds of color and understanding improvements, then my condolences

wispy nest
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I think you aren't even listening to what I'm saying...

smoky oak
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SDXL continues to drop kick all of the other models

smoky oak
wispy nest
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I'm saying - SDXL is better at understanding prompts, it is good base model - I'm not agruing there

smoky oak
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Its a fantastic base model, compared to the others

wispy nest
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But your statement about coloring is just not correct

smoky oak
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It can also do weapons, something none of the other models can do

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here is 1.5 lol

smoky oak
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"A photograph of a husky puppy sitting on the beach at night"

1.4/1.5/2.0/2.1/SDXL

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SDXL is the only one sitting, and its the only one undeniably at night

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and two of the others don't have beaches

wispy nest
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his eyes look like he's coming down from a speedball though

smoky oak
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thats a base model thing

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if you saw how horrible 1.5's base model was, and then saw how good we have gotten it, then you would see why SDXL is a massive improvement

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SDXL with no tweaks listens and produces more reliable results than the best tweaked versions of 1.5 I use

wispy nest
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thinking I just got used to prompting on 1.5

smoky oak
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"polygon art of a frog"

1.4/1.5/2.0/2.1/SDXL

Only one that made it polygon art, and it also has the best frog consistency and color selection

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I mean look at 1.5 lmfao

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if we got a base model that listens THAT BAD to get as good as it is now, imagine what we can do with the model that listened to exactly what I asked for

wispy nest
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looks like something I'd draw

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seems like 2.1 tried to, but textured too hard 😄

smoky oak
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yeah lol

wispy nest
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I get deep fried colors on this one model

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Like that one

smoky oak
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But I hope these examples show you guys just how much better SDXL listens to shit out of the box

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cause the jump from 2.1 to SDXL is wayyyy bigger than all the jumps from SD 1.4-2.1

wispy nest
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real

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hopefully so

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using SD for art therapy is kinda meta

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Has anyone ever thought of that

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im liking xl seems cool so far

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inb4 someone makes money from SD and depressed people at once

smoky oak
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"A high detail pencil sketch of a forest"

1.4/1.5/2.0/2.1/SDXL

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Sure SDXL is a little stylized, but man it is just fucking these other models lmao

wispy nest
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noice. appreciate the comparison images

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2.1 did good too to be fair, at getting prompt right

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it's not high detail though

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idk

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I love cat smoke emote

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oh yea

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yeah only xl is high detail

smoky oak
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"A simplistic water color painting of an Autumn forest"

1.4/1.5/2.0/2.1/SDXL

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You can see just how damn good it listens here

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It only has autumn colors, most simplistic yet the best depiction, while having the best water color texture rendering as well

wispy nest
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I don't udnerstand what "water color painting" ,means to argue on that 😄

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Sytan, how about some photo real comparisons?

smoky oak
smoky oak
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you can see SDXL nailed it IMO

wispy nest
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hmm how about a fantasy knight

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something basic probably , without detail or style additions, just subjects

smoky oak
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especially for me saying simplistic

wispy nest
dense tapir
smoky oak
wispy nest
wispy nest
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yeah was trying to think of something kind generic but still has style haha

dense tapir
# wispy nest Interesting.

I posted it in here and the next one was as well. We all laughed, then the computer giggled and I pulled its plug.

wispy nest
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man I want this xl model now lol. maybe i should pay the 10 usd or whatever for some gens.

smoky oak
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"A photo realistic photograph of a fantasy knight in a forest"

1.4/1.5/2.0/2.1/SDXL@wispy nest

wispy nest
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wow

smoky oak
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SDXL claps again IMO

smoky oak
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do you want it in a specific style, or a photograph?

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i am gonna do an oil painting

wispy nest
# smoky oak Sure, anything in mind?

photo of woman holding spear, wearing long dress, pink hat, shiny ornaments, balloons flying in the air

  • that's for "holding" items test + pink is easy to notice if it will apply to other objects.
    Ornaments , balloons just for more objects.
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@smoky oak A neon cyberpunk mercenary seated at the bar in a crowded pub

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if you dont mind a second haha

smoky oak
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Alright, let me catch up haha

wispy nest
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yea 😄

smoky oak
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I decided to go water color cause its more fun

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uno momento

wispy nest
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when did they release this anyway, today?

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few days ago

smoky oak
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"A water color painting of Dave Chappelle smoking a Cuban cigar"

1.4/1.5/2.0/2.1/SDXL@wispy nest

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SDXL, killing it again lmao

wispy nest
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oh wait...added to test I think just yesterday?

smoky oak
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yeah

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you can test it on dream studio's website

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its not out out yet

wispy nest
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yea I did few images basically of simplified version of my swordswoman with ripped clothes lol

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couldn't do ripped cloth 😦

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I think it udnerstands what it means , but changes are too little , maybe it just doesn't have enough data on it

smoky oak
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"photo of woman holding spear, wearing long dress, pink hat, shiny ornaments, balloons flying in the air"

1.4/1.5/2.0/2.1/SDXL

Looks like they all struggled with ornaments and the spear cause I don't think they had enough focus in the prompt lol

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SDXL kills, again

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@wispy nest

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meant to reply, my bad

wispy nest
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no spear though

smoky oak
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yeah, the spear seemed to disappear from them all lol

wispy nest
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Trying to show my mom stable diffusion but my GPU sucks

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And it can't even load in 2.1

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anyone know when 1.4 was release? just thinking what the time between it and the progress to xl has been

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I'm using a model that just

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Only renders characters

smoky oak
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"Digital art of a neon cyberpunk mercenary seated at the bar in a crowded pub"

1.4/1.5/2.0/2.1/SDXL@wispy nest

wispy nest
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She wanted a flower it started making an anime girl

smoky oak
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SDXL wins these, all day

wispy nest
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ooh thats nice

smoky oak
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its understanding, composition, colors, and over all consistency are just... next level compared to the others

wispy nest
smoky oak
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what

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2.1 is almost nothing but pink lmao

wispy nest
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SDXL I meant*

smoky oak
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oh ok, I was gonna say lmfao

wispy nest
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yea on everything else pink is just everywhere

smoky oak
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Like what are you on lmao

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yeah, for sure

wispy nest
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I'm sleepy 😄

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man the 2.x releases were just dogs

smoky oak
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all good lol

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yeaahhhh

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Any other ideas peoples?

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I think SDXL has firmly beat everything else on every single one so far

wispy nest
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a glowing cyber-frog standing on a tropical leaf in a forest filled with neon lights

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sytan, i dont suppose you have adobe firefly access? be fun to compare it to xl haha

smoky oak
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firefly is ASS

wispy nest
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oh really

smoky oak
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I have already shit on people in r/chatGPT with how bad it is compared to SD

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lol

wispy nest
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i saw some say it was good

smoky oak
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just a sec

wispy nest
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Looks like they all struggled with ornaments and the spear cause I don't think they had enough focus in the prompt lol

  • I think weight might fix it, but also might lead to more issues with color, unless everything is specified
smoky oak
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here we go

wispy nest
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color 'spread' seems like something theyll fix in time i guess. like hands. its an odd one

smoky oak
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Here is the same prompt in MJ, Dalle 2, firefly, bing, and SD

wispy nest
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damn thats thorough as hell

smoky oak
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A futuristic city skyline at sunset, blending elements of cyberpunk and Art Deco architecture

MJ, Dalle, FireFly, Bing, SD

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SD wipes the floor lmao

wispy nest
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bing is pretty decent

smoky oak
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Its the only one with anything art deco, its way higher res (cause there is no cap), and its also just way more consistent

wispy nest
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is bing like dalle 3 or something?

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I literally cannot load a model after loading one in when SD starts

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It crashes

smoky oak
wispy nest
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I have a feeling like that wasn't exactly fair comparrison cause of resolution difference

smoky oak
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but here, have a look at some of the things I have seen people get out of firefly

wispy nest
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struggle bus gpu life

smoky oak
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Firefly is NOT good lmfao

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firefly's image generation AI is terrible, IMO

wispy nest
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Y'all remember when ai art generators hated every human of color

smoky oak
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maybe the rest of the tools are good, but oh my god

wispy nest
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hmm idk looks decent to me

smoky oak
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looks decent, bro

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this is a paid monthly service lmao

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this looks decent to you? lmao

wispy nest
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I'm happy to see more and more of them, it keeps the competition going (i hope haha)

smoky oak
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This is the same image run through SD Img2img

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Like come onnnn lmfao

wispy nest
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totally mogged

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well give them a minute to fine tune things too

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It's adobe

smoky oak
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They are a multi billion dollar company charging people to use this, they should have something that at LEAST works decent lmfao

wispy nest
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Not a collective of developers using their free time

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JAJAJAJAJA

smoky oak
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right lmao

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Firefly base image gen AI is trash

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I would rather use dalle mini, cause at least then I wouldn't be having my bank drained lmao

wispy nest
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People will still use it for other tools, whatever they was (I already forgot), since it's already integrated with photoshop

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a rose i generated for my mom

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lots of artists use photoshop already and paying for it, so why not

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just default settings on base sd2

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lol

smoky oak
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like, good for you, now stop fucking over the people that support you, and also stop stealing money from people?

wispy nest
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now we need google to drop one of their models to get some attention lol

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and nvidia

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oprah gif voice you get a model, and you get a model

dense tapir
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SOB, same data and 1.5 trained so easily. above image with my lora

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fuck 2.x

wispy nest
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2.0 is ok i think

dense tapir
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If it is then that means my guess the issue is the V_param thing of 2.1

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really is the fault

sterile kiln
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imagine a dinner where YOU are the dessert...!

wispy nest
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yes ma'am

sterile kiln
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(she's a vamp)

wispy nest
raw pawn
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Hi all, can you tell me please , which Prompts to apply to make Stable Diffusion change the interior? Not drastically, but like a new renovation and new furniture? I'm getting unrealistic.

wispy nest
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modern design

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messy room

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murder scene

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stuff like that I guess

dense tapir
raw pawn
wispy nest
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just spitballing

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dreamshaper is a nice model

flat pike
wispy nest
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theres a model that used to be forbidden to speak about

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is dreamshaper related to it

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im using dreamshaper with no vae

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the one with a "baked vae" gave me deep fried colors

wispy comet
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a forbidden model? cool

smoky oak
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got distracted lol

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SDXL continues to win

wispy nest
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is it the huge keyword weight

flat pike
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Fallen Angel in Hell - just for the Lolz

wispy nest
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My SD shat itself again

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Making images

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I feel bad for my 1650

smoky oak
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"Vector art of a cabin in a forest next to a lake at night"

1.4/1.5/2.0/2.1/SDXL

1.4 and 1.4 STOLE that shit lmao

wispy nest
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wtf

smoky oak
wispy nest
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lmao

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the two first images are pretty much what copilot does but for art

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yea back to back comparison with other models shows

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Are you doing just 1 gen for each of them, no cherry picking?

hazy moth
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A whale playing in tropical beach. Sunset golden hour. In the forest there are Panthera Onca. Ultra-realistic, cinematic, chromatic aberration, incredibly detailed and intricate, FKAA, TXAA, RTX, CGI, VFX, 8K

flat pike
formal fable
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Angel with fire wings

wispy nest
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@smoky oak see those? points up there

smoky oak
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"a realistic clay sculpture of a mans head"

1.4/1.5/2.0/2.1/SDXL

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number 2 is fucked up lmao

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thatface lmao

wispy nest
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I guess all are accurate, just depends on what you imagine the talent level of each sculptor to be lol

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anyone happen to remember when 1.5 was release?

hazy moth
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"A whale playing in tropical beach. Sunset golden hour. In the forest there are Panthera Onca. Ultra-realistic, cinematic, chromatic aberration, incredibly detailed and intricate, FKAA, TXAA, RTX, CGI, VFX, 8K"

wispy nest
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people were posting prompt requests for xl

smoky oak
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oh, where?

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sorry, i didn't see

wispy nest
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like salgado and matt

smoky oak
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hmm... I can try them I suppose

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those are huge prompts haha

wispy nest
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hey its the experiment that is fun to see

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few somewhat decent gens on woman wearing cloak, robe, gloves, holding sword in a hand, upper body, close up
,SDXL

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Hands looks better at average, holding and sword isn't, unfortunately 😦

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yeah

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oh well, still is progress

smoky oak
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"A whale playing in tropical beach. Sunset golden hour. In the forest there are Panthera Onca. Ultra-realistic, cinematic, chromatic aberration, incredibly detailed and intricate, FKAA, TXAA, RTX, CGI, VFX, 8K"

1.4/1.5/2.0/2.1/SDXL@hazy moth

wispy nest
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just quick overview non cherry picked

smoky oak
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This is not a good prompt at all for these models IMO. They aren't the same we are used to

wispy nest
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so how do you like it from what youve seen so far sytan

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you see some good potential or do we have another 2.x on our hands haha

smoky oak
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"Clip art of a simplistic pine forest"

1.4/1.5/2.0/2.1/SDXL

smoky oak
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this base model is by far the biggest improvement we have ever seen, and I am not even showing off its insanely good text

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"A wooden sign with the word "beware" on it"

1.4/1.5/2.0/2.1/SDXL

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SDXL steamrolls the others on text

wispy nest
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damn

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didnt know it did text

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how many words can it do before it stops making sense?

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a full sentence?

smoky oak
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"A street sign with the word "caution" on it"

1.4/1.5/2.0/2.1/SDXL

smoky oak
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it does text good, and reliably as well

smoky oak
# wispy nest ???

you are using the new dream studio, I am using old dream studio for more control

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they are using different SDXL models, IIRC

wispy nest
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hmmm

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stable-diffusion-xl-beta-v2-2-2 - that's model on new

smoky oak
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there are 3 different betas for SDXL, not sure which one we are on comparatively

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There is SDXL beta, SDXL Tile Beta, and SDXL 2.2.2 Beta

wispy nest
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yea name is different on old DS, idk

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oookay

smoky oak
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they are very different from each other

wispy nest
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thats a lotta models lol

wispy nest
smoky oak
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I am about to run out of credits

wispy nest
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If we need just an email and password we can just make infinite amounts of accounts

smoky oak
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wait, new dreamstudio uses a lot more credits

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.5 credits an image

wispy nest
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yea I noticed too, that's weird

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well thanks for the previews while you could lol

smoky oak
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I switched over to my other account I just made, it has 25 credits

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I'll play around a little more and then call it there

wispy nest
smoky oak
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I am not doing comparisons anymore, just flexing what SDXL can do, cause we have clearly seen its way better than the others lol

wispy nest
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hm new accounts now only 25 credits

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yes no need of all that trouble

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and nice

smoky oak
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Latte art of a cat

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Geometric water color art of a rainbow wolf head looking at the viewer on a white background

stoic pivot
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I'm a sinner.

wispy nest
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Dragon, sleeping inside of a dark cave
1.5, 2.0, 2.1, xl

smoky oak
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Lmfaooo

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oops, didn't send the image

stoic pivot
smoky oak
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jesus dancing in a club lol

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Geometric and vibrant music visualizer

dense tapir
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I can only imagine how hard this will be to train with it knowing text as well as it does.

wispy nest
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That's a surprise, 1.5 didn't know flags.
(SDXL)

smoky oak
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Pencil sketch art of a man smoking a cigar

stoic pivot
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My standard SD prompt was, "full body portrait, painting, christian art 1500, happy Jesus sitting in bed dressed in a fluffy fleece pink onesie-pyjamas, looking at the sky, holding cup of steaming hot coffee, landscape with cross in the background".

smoky oak
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An anthropomorphic donut

this one is way too cute haha

wispy nest
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i hope they release XL public this week, like tomorrow even lol 🙏

smoky oak
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I really hope so as well

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but I hope even more that its not SD 2.0/2.1 levels of disappointing

wispy nest
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although seems like 2.1 knew flags too

smoky oak
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A gauche painting of a golden retriever dog

wispy nest
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seems great from what ive seen here at least

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but i guess we'll see how it does once we get it on auto or whatever

stoic pivot
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I had a stroke so my brain sometime block things I think I should know, it have happen again, so: What was XL and how do I test?

smoky oak
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SDXL is the new version of stable diffusion with around 3x parameters

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I believe 2.6 billion instead of 849 million

wispy nest
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you can test it on the dreamstudio site

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if you have credits

smoky oak
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and you can beta test it on dreamstudio

wispy nest
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and hopefully public this week lol

flat pike
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pls chat : give me some underwater pics with sharks and a treasure chest, sunken pirate sailing ship in background.

smoky oak
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So far, its blowing the other ones out of the water. It listens way more to specific things like poses, angles, and distinct colors, and it can also do text with no problem

stoic pivot
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Ty all. I was almost on right page, it was just that half way thangs was forgotten 🙂

flat pike
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underwater is hard

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treasures are hard

wispy nest
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haha yeah it can be a little tough to find kenny.

smoky oak
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oh, SDXL can also gen images at night, something that 1.4-2.1 all suck ass at

wispy nest
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at first i thought you mean in reality haha

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i was like damn, what time is it? too late for image? :checks watch: ⌚

smoky oak
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you can see, it can do night time, instead of twilight

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something the other modles have always been trash at

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I have a better example

wispy nest
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although it does look studio lightings

smoky oak
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"A photograph of a husky puppy sitting on the beach at night"

1.4/1.5/2.0/2.1/SDXL

flat pike
wispy nest
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idk about base models, but community 1.5 based models could do night

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oh nice sytan

smoky oak
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You can see SDXL got the puppy, its at night, there is a beach, its sitting, and its a husky

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all the others said fuck you lol

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SDXL has been thoroughly impressing me

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The text capabilities also help a lot

wispy nest
#

you guys ever drink coffee at night?

smoky oak
wispy nest
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proper night on 1.5 based model thinking (not base tho)

smoky oak
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got it from my mom

wispy nest
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nice soulless

smoky oak
wispy nest
#

maybe stable will get its mojo back lol

smoky oak
#

wrong one

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"polygon art of a frog"

1.4/1.5/2.0/2.1/SDXL

Only one that made it polygon art, and it also has the best frog consistency and color selection

wispy nest
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nice. very nice.

smoky oak
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SDXL is showing a higher level of understanding over all others

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A charcoal portrait of an old man smiling

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The fact that the base version is getting results this good is very very very exciting

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some of these base SDXL results are matching 1.5 fine tuned results

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An oil painting of a small forest town at night

flat pike
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will sd xl a normal version u can isnstall and train own models? or only web-based ?

smoky oak
#

it will be released for our use soon

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Right now it is in beta as they are finishing it up

wispy nest
#

preview right now for credits on their officials ite

smoky oak
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Woah, it can do double xposures out of the box OMG

flat pike
#

can someone make a sticky that there is no picture bot here XD^^

wispy nest
#

well sytan was doing some images for xl so people were asking maybe idk

smoky oak
#

a geometric double exposure photograph of a city and a mans head

wispy nest
#

nice. very nice.

smoky oak
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It can do double exposure with no TI or LoRA :D

wispy nest
flat pike
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i think the trump pics have reached a lot of people that will be now aware of picture ai's

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was funny^^ realistic good job

smoky oak
#

A rough painting of a frog smoking a cigar in a casino

wispy nest
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i think they will release it this week. who knows, maybe even tomorrow

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lmfao sytan

smoky oak
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oh!

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one other massive thing about SDXL

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it is REALLY good with angles

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just a sec

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liberty

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Oops

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from below

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at night

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being demolished

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it knows this shit so well

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I messed taht up, oh well lol

wispy nest
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very impressive

smoky oak
#

shit

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credits are out

wispy nest
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haha fun while it was lasted

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thanks for sharing

smoky oak
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you can expect wayyyy more when I can run this on my own hardware

trail meadow
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Octopus

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Octopus in the sand

stoic pivot
#

Same prompt, one made in DreamStudio with XL Beta, the other one Locally with Automatic1111 WebUi, can you see the difference?

flat pike
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the pink color seems not spread over the pic

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yeah sd xl seems to haev this problem as always, but now it seems much better

dense tapir
stoic pivot
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"photo of a anthropomorphic watermelon pose sitting on a forest path, rain"

wispy nest
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maybe this is easier to say than did but they should add some of this face filter or beauty you see on MJ. that way when people share they images from XL, they will see pretty stuffs you know

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free promotion for how good it can look idk

stoic pivot
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My favorite model in Automatic1111 manage to do the prompt rather well, "photo of a anthropomorphic watermelon pose sitting on a forest path, rain".

wispy nest
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lol yes that is great

dense tapir
wispy nest
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nice general. looks like darth vader sister maybe lol

dense tapir
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hehe

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auto1111 is so broken

wispy nest
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smh

dense tapir
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every lora throws errors now

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A6000 48 gb of vram OOM now you know they screwed up

stoic pivot
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I forgot what I was doing and went back to being silly 🙂

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Not what I expected, but it was rather interesting.

flat pike
stoic pivot
#

There he was, 5 generations away.

flat pike
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i swear a female darth vader in a puple Darth Vader Armor sitting in an abadoned rusty Deathstar XD

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sadly my queus is full for the next hours XD

stoic pivot
wispy nest
# smoky oak SDXL steamrolls the others on text

Where are you testing this? I've tried it in Dream Studio and 80% of the time it ignores the text entirely, the rest of the time it does about as well as existing models...bad -_- EDIT: nvm. it just needs to be on something other than the "Enhance" style. Photographic works great

flat pike
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ok, the female part is the hard point , to figurte it out^^ but nice anyways XD

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seems funny

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pink light saber and blue pulsating lightning maybe

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but thats to much, just for the lolz this one

stoic pivot
flat pike
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hehe ^^ this is nice-the sitting position XD

tough mica
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Darth Vandra

flat pike
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like s(he) comes for a job interview XD

smoky oak
stoic pivot
#

a female Darth Vader sitting in an abandoned rusty Deathstar, pink lightsaber blue light

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Last one, "watercolor painting of a female Darth Vader sitting in an abandoned rusty Deathstar, pink lightsaber blue light, by Carl Larsson"

wispy nest
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very nice

flat pike
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good one

wispy nest
#

how much for a print?

flat pike
#

the light saber seems ähhm ...yeah 😉

stoic pivot
#

I have to do one more.

flat pike
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made for a female it seems

wispy nest
#

maybe printer sales will shoot up again lol. people can print out they creations on ai now

wispy nest
# smoky oak Oh yeah, enhance is to enhance an image you submit haha

Seems to have problems on anything larger than 1 word though. "3D Model" and "Photographic" definitely do the best. They usually get 2 words ok, struggle with 3+ but can sometimes get 4 words and drop 2 if you prompt for 6. a million times better than existing, but definitely still not perfect

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DeepFloyd seems to be the same from what i have seen

smoky oak
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I am not sure I get what you mean

stoic pivot
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This one was rendered but not upscaled,

wispy nest
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he means the more words you use, the less accuracy it has

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kenny this is XL?

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those line detail are really cool to me

wispy nest
# smoky oak I am not sure I get what you mean

For example:

A wooden sign with the words "This is the story of a girl" on it

usually won't get that whole thing. Got a few that managed "This is the story" and a LOT that got some combination of those words mixed up and missing some portion of it, but nothing that got the whole phrase. EDIT: those seem to struggle even with just 2 words actually. Must have been getting lucky before. Does seem to manage 1 word most of the time though

stoic pivot
#

No, Automatic1111 loacally

smoky oak
flat pike
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oh my god...i expirienced that my modell knows exactly was a wastland raider is XD oh my goddness...i have to sleep but....XD....

smoky oak
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I'm certain it will get way better as we learn how to properly prompt for it, as well as with the better fine-tuned models we will see once it releases

lament halo
flat pike
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i wish writings would be possible on signs and so on

wispy nest
smoky oak
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SDXL can do really good text

wispy nest
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lets see how it looks once it gets public release

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for instance

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seems like some cool things are possible you know

smoky oak
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yeah, we need some fine tuned models to know first

flat pike
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and can u do 4 words on 4 signs or just 1-2 words overall

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nice

wispy nest
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but it seems to have more promise than 2.x did

flat pike
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now im hyped for xl...thats a great point for product Marketing

smoky oak
wispy nest
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(i used niche because it's not a super common word and will almost never be found on a sign)

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everyone seem to know it was going to be rough to work with right away

smoky oak
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Would be curious to see if it can do special characters

wispy nest
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yeah. single words as i was saying. definitely cool. long way to go though

smoky oak
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thats not something I thought to try

wispy nest
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so i am not saying that xl is the boss now, just that it at least seem to have some promise for us you know. time and test will reveal the truths

flat pike
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its not the boss but it holds the cometition to mj

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competition

wispy nest
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yes

flat pike
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thats great

wispy nest
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and adobe and whoever else is releasing theirs lol

smoky oak
#

based off of how much we have been able to get out of SD1.5, we can reasonably assume (if it doesn't have 2.0/2.1's terrible TE) that we can get monumentally better results out of SDXL

wispy nest
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yes sytan

smoky oak
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afte rall of my research, I can confidently say the jump between SD2.1 and SDXL is far greater than the jump from 1.4 all the way to 2.1

wispy nest
smoky oak
flat pike
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if the beta testers are all happy, im sure it will be a good version

wispy nest
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a few models/months and maybe text will be easier for all these model who can say you know

smoky oak
wispy nest
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why?

smoky oak
#

why what?

wispy nest
#

why would there be that sense of dread?

wispy nest
#

something people have seen?

smoky oak
# wispy nest why would there be that sense of dread?

because it happened with 2,0 and 2.1. They should have been way better than SD 1.5, but because nobody can train them cause they have a horrible text encoder, they are slept on and often produce worse results than SD 1.5

lament halo
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left one was supposed to look more humanoid like

wispy nest
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so much for the good mood lol

smoky oak
#

We just have to PRAY that SDXL is this massive level of power paired with a way to extend and finetune its knowledge

smoky oak
# wispy nest so much for the good mood lol

the one that that does give me hope is how much better SDXL listens... The ability for it to listen depends on the text encoder as well

And SDXL blows 2.0/2.1 out of the water with prompt understanding, so there could be a new TE at play here

wispy nest
#

i myself was a 2.0/2.1 convert for a while...but eventually 1.5 models (and embeddings, loras, locons) just worked better again. there was a -very- short window where i felt 2.0/2.1 was better

smoky oak
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exactly

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2.x should be better, but it can't match 1.5 and its level of training ease

lament halo
smoky oak
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I can train a LoRA for something in less than 10 minutes and have it look phenomenal in 1.5

lament halo
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sorry for repost

wispy nest
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I just hope they release it public this week

smoky oak
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like, my very early Na'vi (Avatar) LoRA was trained in 6 minutes, and I have results like these out of 1.5

wispy nest
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not months lol

wispy nest
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how long you think custom

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genuinely have no idea. but i wouldn't be surprised if months is more accurate

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so get you dreamstudio credits if you want XL now lol

wispy nest
smoky oak
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Think about it this way, the text encoder is the brains here. Its what converts what you say into things the AI can understand and grab onto. Thats why Midjourney listens so damn good, cause it has a much better TE than SD

flat pike
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yeah look at the rose leslie aka snasa stark modell, it floods prompthero at the moment and of course arya stark too (and wierd mixes of them) sd 1.5 is amazing if it goes right with prompt and data

smoky oak
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BUT

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SDXL is showing leaps and bounds better prompt understanding compared to 1.4/1.5/2.0/2.1

Which suggests the potential of a massive TE improvement

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which could also mean they fixed 2.0/2.1's shit ass training

wispy nest
#

you think we have a winner with this XL here?

smoky oak
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I don't wanna get too hyped, but if they got SDXL to train as good as 1.5, we are not gonna be prepared for the sheer quality increase that is gonna come out of SD in tghe next few months

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I mean FFS

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1.5, the model that gives you this for "Polygon art of a frog" on its base

flat pike
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i think personnally 3 Monts after public sdxl release there will be hotfixes and trained optmized modells , than it would e better. the release VErsion will be good too, but the community makes the job after a time.

smoky oak
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is the one I was able to train to do this

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So if that happenedon 1.5 with it being that bad base. Imagine what SDXXL can do when its base gave me this

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SDXL can do some things better on its base than even fine tuned 1.5 can

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So if it has the same headroom for training, we aren't gonna BELIEVE the shit we will be able to do

wispy nest
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and then imagine... two more papers down the line lol

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this is exciting

smoky oak
wispy nest
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lol true

smoky oak
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I just hope stability has listened to the pleads of us all and fixed their trash TE

wispy nest
#

To tame the hype: it still can't do things that are extremely unusual well. I've tried a lot of ways to get it to output "A banana painted blue next to a pineapple painted red" to no avail.

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sigh

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reworded, tried using quotes, parentheses, negatives. nothing

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oh well, i am just hoping always for some improvements you know

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we will get the perfect model in some years yet

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and sometimes it just gives weird results. "a banana painted blue" lol

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like i get that it was using the "fantasy art" style...but it should still understand basic terms

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similarly: "A blue banana" with photographic

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bing image, mj5, adobe firefly, gpt4, and now stable XL all releasing around the same time. good time for some ais lol

flat pike
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so with sdxl i can wirte real words like "pls don't touch" on the shirt? YES! - Need that!

wispy nest
flat pike
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thx^^

wispy nest
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does better with the whole word "please"

flat pike
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but it shows clearly a big progress

smoky oak
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Remember, 1.5 can't do a lot of shit that people have been able to do with the fine tunes

flat pike
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right

smoky oak
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so think of all the stuff SDXL CAN do that 1.5 can't, like proper poses and shit, which SDXL was CRSUHING in my tests

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SDXL is reallyyy good with things like "from above, from below, from the side, side view, from behind"

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I tested it rigorously and it worked every single time for me

wispy nest
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yeah. i'm aware. i'm still excited, but much more tempered until i see final results. right now it reminds me of a few loras i trained that ended up super baked because i trained too long. i could go back, but there's no telling where sdxl will end up at release...and we won't be able to choose an earlier version lol

smoky oak
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also, SDXL has a built in way better understanding of styles, like pencil sketches, fresco paintings, etching, water color, vector/clip art, and much more

wispy nest
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yeah we cannot judge XL on one night of some official site gens haha

smoky oak
#

yeah, true

wispy nest
#

but people are human so the rush to judge will continue of course lol

smoky oak
#

only good thing is we can directly compare it with the old versions, of which would have the same favoriting on said site

wispy nest
#

even when it is public release, we must remind others it is still early for this

smoky oak
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My initial impressions are fucking impressed

wispy nest
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it will get fine tunings and its own special models

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to see its true power

smoky oak
#

but my expectations are pessimistic after the 2.0/2.1 fail

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oh also, at least right now, SDXL is way more open to weapons, something that has been removed from the other models

wispy nest
#

you think we will see it have some success?

smoky oak
#

like I got SDXL to generate a fucking fantastic gun

wispy nest
smoky oak
wispy nest
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he's buying the beer night time out sytan haha

flat pike
wispy nest
smoky oak
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I worked on the project with hi, but I was a beta tester, not a dev

smoky oak
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I am trying to find the video

wispy nest
stoic pivot
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And with some poor hand painting.

smoky oak
#

I know this is not a demo video, but I got to work with this project just a week after it started, and it could already do 8k resolution textures with normal, color, AO, reflection, emission, transmission, roughness, metallic, and specular maps

https://twitter.com/unitygames/status/1638510865069531138?cxt=HHwWhICzkeu8lL0tAAAA

Unity AI. Here to bring you flying alien mushrooms 🍄

Curious? Apply to be a Unity AI Insider: https://t.co/CLHRYylqbP

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flat pike
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but adobe sucks hard , judges all softwares like SD says its for the creators bla bla and then a few months later they release an own software and says that the creators given all rights to adobe so it will be OK...

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such a evil step

smoky oak
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And my friend is the one that made it. Hell, I even did our promotional renders lol

flat pike
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hope sd and yes mj too will win in front of the judges

smoky oak
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These were all made with it just 5 days after its conception

stoic pivot
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I uploaded wrong image... darn my dumb brain.

smoky oak
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completely generated by AI from just 10 words each, with all 10 passes

wispy nest
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maybe there will be some ai we do not even really know of. it release and we are all in shock from how it is the new king

flat pike
wispy nest
smoky oak
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he was just at GDC doing tech demos of it

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It used to be called Barium AI, and I still have a life time subscription to it lol

stoic pivot
smoky oak
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But from what i remember him saying, its completely free to use with unity

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it uses your local GPU to do the calculations, so its free to run without having to use their computers or service

wispy nest
flat pike
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the only sad thing is that if picture ai goes more and more public, no news can be known for its correctness-the old internet wisdom "show us a pic or its didnt happen" will not be true anymore cause a pic is avaible every time XD

smoky oak
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I remember when he streamed the announcement to me

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Unity gave him a free A6000 to use for his dev process lol

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so jealous

wispy nest
#

there's a lot out there that we could've had by now if previously open source projects didn't close up

flat pike
#

did one of u see the latest epic show? it was with much ai stuff, especially the level creation is awesome i have to say

wispy nest
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no i didnt but that sounds awesome

snow musk
#

Trying to figure out whether or not to use a VAE for dalcefo painting model, sometimes colors get really washed out and im not sure whether or not there's a non-anime vae for that or if its even necessary

smoky oak
flat pike
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look for it, yes its game-related but the possibilities, video ai is crazy if u have nvidia supporting you 🙂 realtime rendering and animate a 3d Modell synchron to speakin out of the box at home...

smoky oak
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Unity bought it from him

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I don't think anybody is gonna be buying the entire unity game engine any time soon lol

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cause the new tool is built into unity

flat pike
#

so u can make a video as ur boss and saying that you(he) quits the job XD

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unreal engine 5.2 has the first advantages with epic,nvidia and adobe partnership

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theire ai buddy right now

wispy nest
flat pike
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the whole ai topic is in his first few steps, in 10 years-i cant imagine what happens to get the correct information

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all u see can be a fake

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^^

wispy nest
#

it's great to be optimistic, and i genuinely hope it all keeps progressing at the consumer level, but it could easily hit snags on the way. i still believe it'll get to us within the next 10 years, and i hope it's half that or better, but i'm not gonna hold my breath until it happens

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I guess we just have to remain optimistic

stoic pivot
#

Now I will call it a day, so ...

wispy nest
dense tapir
wispy nest
#

you run into some guy wearing that armor in the forest and you just say, oh shit, i guess i never was the main character, and get ready to die

dense tapir
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LOL

light gazelle
#

lenin and trotsky longingly look at a chessboard because they forgot the pieces

dense tapir
jovial frigate
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I made this devious thing

dry cosmos
light gazelle
dense tapir
wispy nest
#

Can I post this on r/wordington

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(don't go there)

jovial frigate
#

No problem...but i am gonna go there

dense tapir
vivid osprey
#

Test

dense tapir
pliant umbra
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/imagin

sacred talon
#

How to prompt to generate images?

jovial frigate
#

Human Commander Zavala... Made using Hassanblend

dense tapir
dense tapir
jovial frigate
# dense tapir

Took me 8 hours to get that result...it started out like this

dense tapir
smoky oak
#

@dense tapir:D

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A step in the right direction, lets go

dense tapir
#

aye

smoky oak
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OH FUCK YEAH MAN

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WOOOOO

#

This is incredible!

dense tapir
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damn

reef python
smoky oak
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@dense tapirOMG

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Realistic vision V2.0 just dropped :D

dense tapir
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Yes, earlier on Sunday

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I couldn't find it though

dense tapir
flat pike
#

which model?

dense tapir
#

illuminati

jovial frigate
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Joe Rogan and an alien

ebon gate
dense tapir
smoky oak
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They are finally dealing with their porn problem

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cause JFC, I wasn't expecting to get flashed when I signed up FFS

dense tapir
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training my first loha

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much slower

glossy herald
flat pike
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love the colorful splash paint art style

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and good morning^^

glossy herald
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it won't be the real version I'll publish, I'm not happy with the current tokens but I'm still putting it on my "experiements" page currently if you want

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and good morning to you too 🙂

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(it's the mix version of the PoW models)

flat pike
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i watch silently on prompthero^^ ...but dont tell it Guizmus ...XD

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found u there

glossy herald
#

on prompthero ?

flat pike
#

yes or was it civai one of them

#

maybe it was civai

glossy herald
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civitAI yeah

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I haven't created a prompt hero

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I'm not a good prompster

flat pike
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have dozen of new favorites since i investigate ai picture software

glossy herald
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lots of people do have links in their profiles too

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and I may have spammed notifications for you on civit this week end then with all the updated models :p

flat pike
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all fine, when i remember right u have 2.7 downloads all in all

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2.7k

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maybe more now

glossy herald
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yep, it grows fast

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I'm at 3k right now

flat pike
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gz!

glossy herald
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I was at 1k2 when I came back to discord/AI some weeks ago, so yeah, it feels motivating

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I started getting comments asking for specific tokens to be added, so they could merge it

flat pike
#

i have to learn much more to trai nown modells, but its a lil bit hard cause im not an english native, im from germany

glossy herald
#

it's a complicated thing to learn

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a good friend of mine is from germany, and started doing models too around here

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got some good vibe to surf at some point

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and got a real job making models out of it

flat pike
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i have to look for a good explanation in german

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but it seems sdxl will be a good starting point for that

glossy herald
#

not sure about the quality of the translation

flat pike
#

WTF^^ nice one

glossy herald
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it's my english guide through google translate

flat pike
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ill give it a try- cause u have a heart for cats XD

glossy herald
#

it's supposed to be intro level

#

but I do get to some depths at some points

flat pike
#

thats ok

glossy herald
#

don't feel like everything is necessary in a first try

flat pike
#

i have to learn to swim before i try deep diving

glossy herald
#

exactly

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and it feels like a jumping board

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you can prepare for that dive for very long

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and feel like it's gonna be the best of dives

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the reality is it won't

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so prepare to flop, and learn each trick to fix what missed

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but don't stay too long waiting to jump

glossy herald
flat pike
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and this will grow, wait ..one year the whole world will be on picture ai generation, the trump pics have shown many people whats possible

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did u see them, they're great :-9

glossy herald
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I saw a lot yeah, maybe not those ones, I'm not very american politics fan

flat pike
#

and chatgpt as a woldwide known peice of ai will get an image generating part aswell

glossy herald
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I just had a jumpscare lol

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my phone told me I should be at the dentist

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x)

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good joke phone

flat pike
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so everyone could use it in edge browser in nex tmonths, beta is open

glossy herald
#

yep, chatgpt and the likes are about to really transfigure a lot of things

flat pike
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google nividia and adobe comes aswell with their own ai s

glossy herald
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little training finished just now, for @white pivot . let's test and show a little the results, no idea if it worked yet

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dense tapir
flat pike
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look here Projekt M from Epic & Nvidia & Adobe

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thats crazy runs on 4090 like a charm, so in 2-3 years everyone will do that

sterile kiln
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New models are available locally?? i missed something !

flat pike
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watch the metahuman part aswell

sterile kiln
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Guys, theses models works with Automatic1111?

flat pike
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depends on the version u have

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just updated atm

flat pike
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so there are 1.5 and 2.1 , but 1.5 is better in my opinion

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flat pike
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sdxl will come soon than it will be the king hopefully

sterile kiln
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Hmm interesting

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flat pike
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i love those apocalyptic wastland raider pics

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^^

sterile kiln
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@flat pike Thoses models need scripts yaml to works with A1111?

flat pike
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ok which sd version do u use?

sterile kiln
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Automatic1111

flat pike
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no which version

sterile kiln
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??

glossy herald
flat pike
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1.5 or 2.1?

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sterile kiln
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Both, have lot of models.

flat pike
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then look at the modell download page, the modell uve postet seems to be for 2.1

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so its not trained for 1.5

sterile kiln
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I know, and i know models 2.x on A1111 needs yaml scripts

flat pike
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forget any scripts. install Stable Diffusion and load a modell - thats all for the start u need

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automatic1111

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if u installed it u see ur base model, its numbered so u know which model will be supported

dense tapir
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I had to roll back

flat pike
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if ure unsure just download a 1.5 and a 2.1 and test both...^^

dense tapir
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gradio broke some things

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was an update and almost all the trouble tickets since is due to gradio

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there is a mem leak too

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hit me and hit this ticket where he has an A6000 48 gig vram

sterile kiln
dense tapir
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did you update auto1111 in the last two days?

sterile kiln
dense tapir
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utoh

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new update in last two days broke all kinds of stuff

flat pike
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do u have other models in ur model directory?

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but yeah maybe an update broke stuff, then u have to roll back

sterile kiln
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dude, i didn't just show up. I am a long time a1111 user.

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glossy herald
shadow iron
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Saul Goodman from better call saul/breaking bad

flat pike
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love the Movie "Nobody" from this actor

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with good 'ol doc Brown actor from back in time^^

shadow iron
flat pike
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there u will find many sources like amazon,youtube and so on where u can rent it

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dry crow
shadow iron
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and yeah, my second day using stable diffusion

dry crow
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I can link it if you want.

shadow iron
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found it

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do I need to do this on every model?

summer viper
glossy herald
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PIZZA

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yay 😄

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you generate where ?

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local or online ?

summer viper
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1 tile pattern

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2 pizza

summer viper
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Stable diffusion

glossy herald
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let's do pizzas

summer viper
glossy herald
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PIZZAAAAAAAA

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I'm hungry

summer viper
glossy herald
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webUI loading

shadow iron
summer viper
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multicolored stones

dry crow
summer viper
glossy herald
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photo of a delicious multi cheese pizza, tomato sauce, cheese topping, blue cheese topping, crusty crust, very detailed, RAW photo, taken on iphone6, 70mm, 8k, highest quality, MasterChef

summer viper
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wow

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Im using torch 2

glossy herald
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let's do one in HD

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I'm not, I'm a little scared to update right now, automatic1111 seems broken for too many people, and I don't want to go and bug fix myself x)

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1024x1024

summer viper
glossy herald
summer viper
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I have no errors in the program

glossy herald
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does it do better cheese on the pizzq torched ?

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you use what distribution ?

flat pike
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thanks guys...now im hungry 🥘

summer viper
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the results will be the same

glossy herald
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I need to update for sure at one time, but I'm mostly trying to transit more of my process into ComfyUI

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glossy herald
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ok so yep, it's AUTOMATIC1111 🙂 we use both the same
I'll try to do an update then, but I'll copy the venv first I think

flat pike
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do u have some with crickets and grasshoppers^^?

glossy herald
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PIZZAAAAASSSS

summer viper
flat pike
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not even

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just playing on realbiter

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food is already quite good in the models

summer viper
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I plan to buy a 2060 with 12 gigabytes, because the 1050ti is already too old for such things

glossy herald
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yeah it starts to be a little old for this

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I'm on a bigger card so the performance boost there could be nice, but I'm already under 1 second per 512x512

summer viper
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my 512x512 image generation takes 40 seconds

glossy herald
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harder to pull out of the model, the insect topings

flat pike
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maybe ill try that one day, im open to try it

glossy herald
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I'm really not

summer viper
fleet goblet
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cough No thank you. I'm good.

flat pike
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its allowed in food in germany since last year XD but i didnt tryed it yet

glossy herald
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here, I'll upscale it for you

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wow

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it's even worse

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I upscaled in latent

fleet goblet
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I have eaten crickets before

glossy herald
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this one is horible

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don't click that "spoiler" button guys

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this is only for balrogdx

flat pike
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i try it at the moment but it has so bad results compared to 1.4

summer viper
flat pike
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bad is the wrong word, its dumb to understand stuff und geve lower quality strangly

glossy herald
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but if they had a beef with CivitAI, they may have switched website

flat pike
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ah ok, thx 4 info

summer viper
glossy herald