💬｜general-chat

[vague pond]

(also don't get me started on SD1.5's autoencoder)

[opal hedge]

🙏

[vale steeple]

Sure it have its limits. We all know about DALL E 3 and Midjourney.

It is not like I care how's SD going on, more like turning SD into 3rd-force in the market against other two.

[true canopy]

media is going wild now, making headlines

[vale steeple]

yep

panic mode

[buoyant moss]

Somehow I doubt SD3 will be open source

Would be happy to be proven wrong

I just doubt it

[vale steeple]

but if lets say SAI failed and fallen, I expected other smaller projects will rise up in the effects of SAI developer refugees.

[buoyant moss]

Clearly open source is not great for making money

[low moon]

Then I guess we'll have to make to with Cascade XD

[buoyant moss]

@low moon Wasn't Cascade trained on a much smaller set of images than SDXL?

So basically cascade was a research project

And SDXL remains their flagship

[vague pond]

depends on their commercial licensing and how it works out. lots of companies do open source stuff and make money, the secret is that people who make free improvements to it are the product

[buoyant moss]

Perhaps

[vale steeple]

Cascade seem to be a test model for flexibility

like you know

[low moon]

Cascade seems better than sdxl on release...

[vale steeple]

training A, B and C.

[opal hedge]

None of the AI companies are making money right now except maybe google with their search engine and medpal

[iron pendant]

open source itself isn't a business model

[buoyant moss]

That's fair, if no AI companies are making money, maybe open source is then double bad

[trim magnet]

thats a big claim,got a source?

[iron pendant]

you have to look at success stories like how Meta does it, they fund Pytorch, React, and released Llama 2, but Meta has a bunch of revenue streams established first

[opal hedge]

I think SAI just needed more time to cook. It took amazon like a decade to become profitable

[buoyant moss]

Yeah, that's fair

[iron pendant]

Firefox gets paid by Google for search placement, etc

[buoyant moss]

Maybe SAI needs to take ad deals, and coke logos pops up in random images lol

[full lark]

In my opinion SAI should do what midjourney is doing, but continue releasing open source models too

[iron pendant]

https://twitter.com/EMostaque/status/1771400218170519741 new tweet who dis

[full lark]

"Small" models for the community (than ran on nvidias XX80-90 and lower) and paid big models that ran on an a100

[trail lion]

no, but have you heard of this little outfit called linux? it doesnt have to be about money, or corporate interests

[buoyant moss]

Supposedly MidJourney is profitable

But they are also tiny, and do only one thing and do it well

[vague pond]

meta wants you to use pytorch, because they use it in their toolchains, so they provide it to you for free so you will hopefully report on the silent incorrectness issues that I seemingly run into on every single project I start with it. they also want to have that market share so that people aren't expanding on their competitor's libraries (Google's, TensorFlow and more recently JAX), because anyone who's used both knows that better supported JAX would wipe pytorch out of existence

[iron pendant]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZ3w_jec1v8 watch this, about open source...talks a lot about where it works, and where you just get Jeff Bezos'd (i.e. SaaS'd)

I've literally been through this myself

[true canopy]

what does that tweet even mean ....

[buoyant moss]

My interpretation is that they control the board but emad controlls the shares?

[true canopy]

yes but...

[vale steeple]

Developers still support him and resignation?

[iron pendant]

yes, they have a tiny staff and were revenue+ from almost the start, got a compute grant from daddy Emad to get early model out

[buoyant moss]

Clearly lighting investor money on fire is great for the community but not for the investors lol

[true canopy]

so he has the majority of the shares, so he has voting power over what exactly? or since hes not on board he cant make a single decision?

[iron pendant]

corporate governance is really weird

[gaunt pulsar]

This looks pretty big. 100% chance SD3 is open if emad has the power

[fervent condor]

More like "had" Investors aren't goint to put any $$$ unless they get shares

[buoyant moss]

I wonder if there is something in the VC deals that restricts his power over the board

[warm relic]

The balanced approach imo is to release the previous generation's model. If companies did this we'd have Midjourney V5 and GPT-3.5 which, while outdated now, are still competent models. They can still make money offering the flagship model as an API. Seems fair consider it's our data they're training on and selling

[vale steeple]

SD3 lore is real on this one

[opal hedge]

From Emad https://twitter.com/EMostaque/status/1771400218170519741
"As my notifications are RIP some notes:

1. My shares have majority of vote @ StabilityAI

2. They have full board control

The concentration of power in AI is bad for us all

I decided to step down to fix this at Stability & elsewhere

Will be sharing more soon

Exciting times"

[true canopy]

lol so he stepped down to get more control over what happens at stability ai?

maybe?

[buoyant moss]

That's not my understanding

I bet forced out by investors

Like I like open source as any other dude

[true canopy]

how can he be forced out if he has 51% shares?

[buoyant moss]

But clearly this is not making money for the investors

[opal hedge]

Maybe there is hope for SD3

[trail lion]

I was confused before, but now....wha....?

[true canopy]

is this some american thing i dont understand?

[opal hedge]

Honestly, I'ma let Emad cook

[chrome crag]

finally, crypto ai lol

[buoyant moss]

Step down or no more funding?

[trim magnet]

he literally said he stepped down,is it that hard

[buoyant moss]

Many different ways a VC can force you to step down

[iron pendant]

um... how to phrase this

[opal hedge]

SAI has billions in capital, they're not running out of funds. Currently spending 8 mill a month and earning 3 mill IIRC

[vague pond]

as long as he lets me cook SD3 🫡

[vale steeple]

There are some companies out there with majority shares holder unable to control the company's governance

[gaunt pulsar]

Yeah, I'd say let's trust Emad

SD3 will be open

[true canopy]

its a pretty relaxed tweet, ill say that

[crude notch]

lmao, cant wait for this to brutally fail work out

[buoyant moss]

I do not believe that

[trail lion]

that part is easy, the why could have certain ramifications though, dont you agree?

[true canopy]

why the hell does he end it with "exiting times" lol

its like hes trolling everyone

[chrome crag]

surely emad knows what he's doing

[buoyant moss]

Think about this, 5 million per month spend, if they have 50 million left that's 10 months run rate

[vale steeple]

Exciting time

[trail lion]

a CEO stepping down != guy on a shipping dock leaving his job

[buoyant moss]

1 billion dollar valuation doesn't mean 1 billion dollars in the bank

[crude notch]

emad? knowing what they're doing?

[buoyant moss]

That valuation is just that, a valuation

[iron pendant]

they got $100m in funding for 10% of the ownership, that's all the $1b valuation means, it could mean they own banks $250m

[buoyant moss]

If I take a company, and I say I'll pay 1$ for 0% of the company, that company is basically valued at infinity according to me

[trim magnet]

yea maybe due to closed source stuff

[opal hedge]

Sure, but you're not a bank with a 100 million dollars on the line. While I agree with your main point I think the analogy is off

[iron pendant]

ya'll never watched Shark Tank?

[buoyant moss]

I'm quite confused by your point

[trail lion]

or due to numerous other things we can make up, aquisition, company HR issues, infinite list, hence the need for more disclosure

[buoyant moss]

Valuation = (how much you paid)/(ownership percentage)

It does not necessarily mean that you have any hard cash

[trim magnet]

yea he said he was gonna share more with us soon,so its better to wait for what he has to say

[opal hedge]

If a bank invests 100million for 10% ownership, it means the company has enough to be worth more than 1 billion dollars. Though I agree they don't have a liquid 1 billion dollars

[true canopy]

gotta be honest, im more positive now after the tweet, hes a madman

[buoyant moss]

If that was the case, softbank would be profitable

And yet, softbank has basically lost enough money to struggle raising money for vision fund 2

[trail lion]

is chatpgt worth something, absolutely....but founding members leave, CEO leaves...that's a wtf moment

[buoyant moss]

https://pitchbook.com/news/articles/down-rounds-venture-fundraising-vc-deals-recession

Down rounds have become common

[iron pendant]

I'd like to imagine this is all 4D chess but 🤷‍♂️

[trail lion]

or harry potter chess 😄

[buoyant moss]

I've been forced out of companies before, I'm sure Emad must be pretty upset right now

[vale steeple]

... or is he?

[buoyant moss]

But such is the poison you accept when you take VC money

[true canopy]

he writes a bit like elon, like hes 1 day from becoming completly batshit crazy

[vale steeple]

like Freon said maybe Emad and founder members is playing a chess with whoever in the company

[buoyant moss]

If he has a heart of steel then perhaps not

But I've seen similar things happen to many friends, it is never fun

[vale steeple]

I think it will be ridiculous if my prediction really happening

[true canopy]

doesent this seem more like its emad who is the one forcing things? haha

and not him being forced out of anything

[winged flare]

Let's hope Huggingface save the world :<

[buoyant moss]

Only if you take his tweet at face value

I'm glad he's put on a brave face

[winged flare]

Clem (ceo huggingface) tweeted : Should we acquire Stability and open-source SD3?

[gaunt pulsar]

tbh I hope a bigger company doesn't acquire stability

[buoyant moss]

Hugginface would be a good choice, but I wonder if they have the money to actually buy SAI

[trail lion]

this doenst seem like that, they all would have gotten golden parachutes

[rich kestrel]

he must be pretty e-mad

[buoyant moss]

You are a menace, too many puns!

[winged flare]

with their valuation i guess they could raise a little more to do it 😄

[vague pond]

honestly, i think there's reasonable non-doomer explanations still so I'll just wait

[buoyant moss]

They could I bet, but it isn't clear if SAI is profitable. If it isn't, raising money to buy SAI will be tough

[vale steeple]

Scenario A:
He resigned due to the pressure

• Get pushed out due to failure in addressing HR and financial issues
• Vote-out so to make SAI closing their gates ( unlikely in my opinion )

Scenario B:
He resigned for personal reason / willingly

• "maybe other people can solve this better than me"
• Resigned so he can be in another position like Linus Sebastian from LTT

[vague pond]

messaging sounds a lot more like B

[gaunt pulsar]

hopefully not an OAI 2.0

[lofty zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-gif-25596223

[trail lion]

My problem with scenario A is that it was right before a critical PR release for them

[rich kestrel]

option C) Skynet

[buoyant moss]

I admire people that can see the plus side after all the reporting from fortune magazine and resignations of researchers

[vale steeple]

Scenario C:
He resigned so he can be prepare for April Fools

• BRO!

[trail lion]

hrm, I dont

[true canopy]

i can see emad downloading sd3 onto a floppy drive and walking out

[vale steeple]

hmm.

[true canopy]

with sunglasses on, on a cloudy day

[buoyant moss]

8 billion parameters is 32GB at fp32 size

You could probably do it with a fat flash drive

[stuck shoal]

https://tenor.com/bGgyk.gif

[opal hedge]

Yeah, it's odd for Emad to randomly throw his company into a percieved hell spiral like that without any sort of PR

[sonic tundra]

[opal hedge]

You kind of have to set proper expectations before randomly dipping as CEO

[buoyant moss]

Fortunately, I've scrapped every single pantheon & showdown prompt from 1 day after SDXL 1.0 bot launch to bot closing

Roughly 230 thousand prompts

[crude notch]

60gb

[buoyant moss]

Wait, how?

[true canopy]

so, many floppydrives?

[trail lion]

or even further, it should never be random outside of a wtf moment

[crude notch]

text encoders

[buoyant moss]

I assume those are untrained (so standard T5/CLIP), so only critical weights would be 32GB

[crude notch]

nope!

they trained every tenc

all 3 of them

[trail lion]

I'm sure if you went back there have been all sorts of issues that have plagued CEOS, steve jobs had legit advanced cancer for example

[fervent thunder]

what if elon musk buys stability

[buoyant moss]

Wait, seriously?

[fervent thunder]

[buoyant moss]

I didn't read the SD3 paper, so I assumed CLIP + T5 were untrained and frozen

[true canopy]

then its doomed as in really doomed

[buoyant moss]

There's a post on reddit about thanking emad: https://www.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/1blk17x/thank_you_emad/

[gaunt pulsar]

Grok Diffusion

[crude notch]

Yes.

[crude notch]

2.7t model

[trail lion]

why?

[opal hedge]

I wonder if we're still in the days of AI like the early days of computers, where one 1MB computer took up an entire speckless room. Our weak AI take up so much harddrive space, and copium predicts they'll get smaller and better over time

[true canopy]

i dont want to answer that

[trail lion]

he's an open source proponent?

[buoyant moss]

8B is not big

[vale steeple]

Elon Musk is pretty... uhhh

[trail lion]

smart?

[vale steeple]

I think he kinda have a Zuck mindset

[true canopy]

dont even mention his name, its like cursing sd3

[buoyant moss]

I swear Elon is bipolar

[vale steeple]

but much more radical

from what I know

[buoyant moss]

I remember in the summer of 2017 during Tesla 3 ramp

[opal hedge]

Mr. Muskrat knows how to run a business but dude really needs to take his meds

[buoyant moss]

Elon was unhappy every day, until he was really happy, we saw him and wondered why, turns out he broke up with his GF

His assistants are all super models (seriously)

Men & women

[opal hedge]

Dude is like Ironman without the charisma or cool superhero suit

[buoyant moss]

Just from my personal experience, seeing billionares with super model assistants is not uncommon...

[trail lion]

he was this, he was that, he's a brilliant entrepreneur - check, he was involved in this company - check, he wants it to be opensourced - stated publicly, and lawsuit even - check, where are things grey here?

[buoyant moss]

Elon or Emad?

[rich kestrel]

brilliant entrepreneur

[buoyant moss]

Cuz Elon is a shitstain

[true canopy]

his company?

[rich kestrel]

lost 8b on twitter

[trail lion]

elon

[opal hedge]

Elon do be a bit of shitstain. You can like his business ventures but let's be honest for a moment

And I used to really respect the guy

[true canopy]

u mean the ones he bougt into and sued into making him a makebelieve "creator" ?

[buoyant moss]

When I was at Tesla, he would pretend to be an engineer and would force the team to work on dead end stuff, and someone would always have to secretly fix it

[trail lion]

he is literally suing this company, stability, over opensourcing their content

[rich kestrel]

yah what a shitstain

power to the people

free AI

[trail lion]

I dont get the argument

[buoyant moss]

lol rumors

[trail lion]

so there is no lawsuit?

there is or there isnt

[opal hedge]

He's suing OpenAI

I'm not aware that he's suing stability

[vale steeple]

Show source that he sue Stability

Or pretty much other company

[true canopy]

if u have a lot of money, u can make smart people make u a lot more money

[trail lion]

yah, my bad

[buoyant moss]

https://www.reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1bkaf2z/chatbot_arena_ratings_with_color_coded_labels_for/

[trail lion]

it was openai I was thinking of

[warm relic]

Ah, a simple mistake. See he's suing OpenAI who doesn't actually make open ai but he's not suing Stability who do actually make open ai

[buoyant moss]

Most of the top langugage models are close source, and the top open source LLM is chinese

[true canopy]

maybe its because he wants to be noted as a founder of openai? like he did with tesla?

[opal hedge]

I think we'll eventually get to the point where our AI tech gets so good we can have top-tier LLMs on our computers

[true canopy]

he wants his name on there, u know

and hundreds of mils ofc

fame and glory y'all

[buoyant moss]

If you have like 4x 4090 you can run the top open source LLM (Qwen 1.5 72B) on your computer, and it is ranked higher than ChatGPT 3.5

4x4090 is only like $6000

$6400

[crude notch]

only

[rich kestrel]

or just use chatgpt

[trail lion]

chump change

[buoyant moss]

I've moved over to Claude 3, the only problem is the limits are too low

[opal hedge]

Unfortunately Qwen is censored. Hopefully we can unravel that eventually

[gaunt pulsar]

You can run LLMs on AMD too now with Rocm for Windows, so it should probably be less expensive

[crude notch]

did they finish rocm on win?

[buoyant moss]

Yeah it is, but I don't think uncensored LLMs/image models will ever be a thing

[gaunt pulsar]

I can use LLMs with Kobold.cpp on AMD Rocm

[opal hedge]

Base models, probably not

[buoyant moss]

Yeah I mean base models

Qwen is less censored than Google gemini in my experience

[opal hedge]

We just gotta wait for some good natured autismo with millions in hardware to fine-tune Qwen

[gaunt pulsar]

It seems that not for SD yet, only LLMs

[crude notch]

oh, how?

do they not have pytorch yet

[gaunt pulsar]

I'm not sure, it seems that it will need MIOpen or something like that

[buoyant moss]

Rocm is such a lost opportunity

[crude notch]

send a repo link it it exists

[crude notch]

mlir is almost same perf iirc

i dont have an amd card (for a good reason) to test

[buoyant moss]

What does it tell you when Intel Habana & Huawei Ascend both have better native support than AMD Rocm

[gaunt pulsar]

I don't know it

[opal hedge]

I really hope AMD gets their shit together

[crude notch]

either amd gets their shit together and we have 3 competitors

[fervent thunder]

i would give it 5 years

[crude notch]

or we have to bet it all on battlemage (intel Bxxx)

[fervent thunder]

battle mage is def not gonna be competitive with nvidia in performance but pricing will probably be good

[crude notch]

in ai, vram is KING

pricing will make or break it

[jade mason]

SD3 when?

[fervent thunder]

intel is probably selling at max 16gb cards

[crude notch]

1+ months

[fervent thunder]

never atp

[jade mason]

Rip

[crude notch]

limited access this week, if emad's words are true

[gaunt pulsar]

Read the comments above, everyone is still very confused tbh

[fervent thunder]

limited access? didn’t they already start discord invites?

[buoyant moss]

We should do a bet

[vale steeple]

Well

[buoyant moss]

I bet that not all SD3 models will be open weight in the future

[crude notch]

tldr: there are at most a dozen non-sai people in the sd3 server

[vale steeple]

Bet those beta tester have signed NDA of not posting any leaking

[crude notch]

emad said that this week, hed give out more invites

[vale steeple]

Define not all

[crude notch]

to influencers/researchers

[buoyant moss]

All model sizes and variants

[fervent thunder]

i bet SAI will collapse before sd3 or pivot to being closed

[vale steeple]

If you mean Turbo variant

Sure

[buoyant moss]

Do you want to bet cash?

Let's do $100 to a charity of each of our choices

[fervent thunder]

we are betting the same thing

[buoyant moss]

Nah

[vale steeple]

People betting SAI bankruptcy before analysing its financial situation lol.

[buoyant moss]

We aren't

I don't believe SAI will collapse

But are you down for cash donations of $100?

[opal hedge]

How can SAI collapse when there is booba to be generated

[frozen helm]

😢

[jade mason]

Let’s hope Clem buys it

[buoyant moss]

We can donate to the palestines or jewish charities of your choice

[frozen helm]

nah that’s what my wallet is for

[fervent thunder]

lmaooo why those

[frozen helm]

pay up.

[buoyant moss]

Eh, I just like watching people fight in the middle east

[frozen helm]

damn that’s really forward uh

[fervent thunder]

wild in general chat LMAO

[true canopy]

its a good day for sure in here

[trim magnet]

they fight here in the US too, just wait for november race to heat up

[buoyant moss]

Yes, our government is also a big fan of turning people in the middle east into skeletons if I'm quite honest

[full lark]

I hope they relese at least sd3 open source 😢

[buoyant moss]

Big fan of biden

Big fan of trump

Weapons to the middle east no matter what

[true canopy]

a sane stance is to equally hate or love everyone

[frozen helm]

interesting

[jade mason]

Bro doing a ban speed run

[opal hedge]

A lockheed martin investor I see

[buoyant moss]

Yes sir

[fervent thunder]

honestly if sd3 doesn’t release i’ll be kinda happy cause i won’t have to hear ppl whining about open source or SAI anymore

[buoyant moss]

I vote democrat/republican, no matter what I know there will be fighting in the middle east

Alright, enough of the jokes

[true canopy]

pikachuface

[iron pendant]

people already whining SD3 8B won't run on their pocket calculator

[buoyant moss]

What the government doing in the middle east is a horror show

[rich kestrel]

or on their dollar store AMD card

[frozen helm]

It runs on mine. My pockets are huge.

[opal hedge]

I think that goes for every government involved in the middle east

[buoyant moss]

Yes, but SDXL boobas make life better

[opal hedge]

And SD3 booba will be even better

[frozen helm]

general chat is wild in every direction yo

[buoyant moss]

On a serious note, I have been donating to Médecins Sans Frontières and some peace causes

[iron pendant]

"you mean I have to train booba into the model myself? NYEHHH!"

[opal hedge]

"How do I put boobs into a checkpoint file?!"

[frozen helm]

so I’ve never done any of this stuff before but like, yeah I was typing and that summarizes it

[iron pendant]

I donate to games done quick, usually MSF charity

[frozen helm]

where do I input files to train!

[buoyant moss]

MSF = doctors without borders

[iron pendant]

correct

its alternating MSF and prevent cancer between the events

[buoyant moss]

I had no idea that games done quick had a charity drive

[iron pendant]

games done quick is entirely a chairty drive

[opal hedge]

I suppose one can argue that SAI is a charity drive for people of culture

[iron pendant]

two a year, summer/winter, I think they alternate MSF and Prevent Cancer foundation? something like that

[buoyant moss]

Well, I mostly started donating to MSF after the recent news where MSF medics were killed in the gaza war

[fervent thunder]

y’all should give me money and ill buy SAI

[frozen helm]

me too? we can share

[buoyant moss]

1 billion dollar valuation

[opal hedge]

I'll give ya tree fitty

[buoyant moss]

Better start collecting donations now

[true canopy]

1 bil, thats nothing

[frozen helm]

especially to someone like me

[fervent thunder]

i got it

[iron pendant]

#🏞｜general-with-images message

[rich kestrel]

I'll spend $25k to teach SD3 boob textures

[fervent thunder]

sd3 will be about to come out but then government restrictions will cuck us

[rich kestrel]

and boob textures alone

[iron pendant]

cat is out of the bag, though

[buoyant moss]

Yeah

Did you see the think tank paper on criminalizing open weights?

Serious*

And the recently Biden EA on know your customer for models above a certain size

[opal hedge]

Every home will have a licensed TSA agent retrained to prevent boobs from appearing on your monitors

We had a good run

[true canopy]

there are some things that cant be stopped, booba being one of the few

[buoyant moss]

Would be best in Nvidia hard coded booba bans into their driver

[true canopy]

literally impossible

[buoyant moss]

Boob generation detected? believe it or not, instant ban

[true canopy]

since the dawn of time

[frozen helm]

the year is 2075. booba has been outlawed. quantum generation has been slowly creeping into the black market to surpass restrictions.

[true canopy]

suddenly, we came to teh conclusion that it was booba all along, and no quantum generation

[frozen helm]

we’ve been deceived!

[true canopy]

just the reflection of the eyes of someone making booba images

[opal hedge]

I knew the world was deceptively soft and bouncy

[rich kestrel]

but but but but AI is just stealing other people's work!!!!!1!

[frozen helm]

waaaaah deal with it

[true canopy]

something as pure as booba cant be taken by anyone, just like u cant rob someone of love

[frozen helm]

okay but what about the other side

[opal hedge]

Good question. I wonder what the ratio of male to female users of SD are

[frozen helm]

i don’t think were talking about the same other side

[true canopy]

ive...seen some stuff on civitai to make me believe that there are quite a few female users

[opal hedge]

Ah, that other side

||(((Huge Ass:2.5)))||

[frozen helm]

moment

[true canopy]

lets not start ww3 in here

[frozen helm]

lol

hey, ratio of both.

like if x=y then y gotta equal x

[opal hedge]

Sir, the buttmen have launched an attack on breastcity. We must retaliate!

[rich kestrel]

detailed ass > huge ass

[frozen helm]

fair argument that I would side with!

[trim magnet]

(gargantuan ass:2.5)

[frozen helm]

nah

past a certain point for me, no

[white mountain]

google homosexuality

[true canopy]

WHAT? suprised pikachu face

[olive zealot]

Just use SD 1.5 twice.

[pearl ocean]

what if I use it three times.

[flint fox]

SD 4.5

[pearl ocean]

now were talking

[trim nymph]

just leak sd3 before, end it with a firework

[scarlet umbra]

would anyone be willing to help me... 'restore?' the checkpoint dropdown menu that's (suppose to be) in the upper left corner of A1111. I'm not sure why it isn't there anymore. so I don't really know what to look for in terms or googling it.

[gray fern]

emad rage quit?

it’s so over

[alpine hull]

emad did WHAT???😰

[raven agate]

Emad will never get the credit he fully deserves and it's a bit tragic. While I do not agree with a lot of his decisions or things he's said, he saved us from a potential dystopian future, that was looking pretty bleak. Everyone was circling the wagons on AI, buying up researchers and organizations. Nothing was open, everything was closed off and done behind walls as they tried to figure out how best to monetize the tech, preserve the advertising and marketing ecosystems, and etc. What Emad did prevented that for awhile at least. The way he released Stable Diffusion, he created data scientist and programmers due to the sudden interest in this advanced technology dumped in our laps. It was magic that captivated billions in an instant. Programmers and computer scientists were born, more advancement started suddenly coming out of all the AI fields. It spread like wildfire and started a movement. It's likely one of the few buffers that kept the majority from being absolutely against AI. Could you image if Stable Diffusion never went open-source? The advancements that would have never came, the data scientists that never were, the software that was never made, we are so far more advanced as a species right now than we otherwise would have been, so it would be decades of advancement lost that we gained in just a few years.

[cobalt pulsar]

Why can't I join the midjourney channel?

[honest mica]

That's probably the wrong place to ask here.

[jovial wraith]

just read the news. stability is falling apart, isn't it?

[opal hedge]

Not necessarily

We don't know anything for sure except that Emad left of his own accord

The CEO of huggingface also showed interest in aquiring SAI

[warm junco]

Go into Settings, User Interface, Quicksettings, there add checkpoint
And then apply and reload

[raven agate]

This would be the best case scenario I think. Or CivitAI 😅. That would be funny, And hmm 🤔. That could actually work well actually. CivitAI has a better setup for monetizing Stable Diffusion without being greedy or intrusive. They can have premium model market where users charge for custom models and lora creation, then they collect a percentage.

[stone latch]

Recently a lot of events have been unfolding

• Stable Cascade team leaves
• Stable Diffusion and Stable Video team leaves
• StabilityAI CEO resigns

All in like 2 days, what the hell 😅

[scarlet umbra]

thanks, much easier than having to go into different tabs to do it. 😄

[stone latch]

Meanwhile StabilityAI internally:

That's what I would guess 😂

I will re-send this in #🏞｜general-with-images

[charred mesa]

Bruh

I mean, if hugging face successfully buys stability

The ceo promises SD3 to be open source

https://twitter.com/ClementDelangue/status/1771395468959813922

I wonder if they would change the license too lol

So it's like apache or something similar to mistral

[brave jetty]

Hi!

I saw a model named "ZDS", but I don't know what it means and where I could find it

[trim nymph]

what an farce, at least finish what yall started

[trim magnet]

i finished already

not yet bb

[shell tendon]

I think he's mocking Elon

I would love to be wrong

[trim magnet]

no hes buying it its real i saw him with a cloth bag full of money,the bag had a big dollar sign printed

[shell tendon]

def some good points here

[shell tendon]

yeah...

my thurs/fri work days are absolutely insane so i usually miss most of what happens for 48h

[fervent thunder]

hey there everyone, i hope this general chat is the right place to ask. So i got forge from Git into a folder, batched it, and indeed the webui showed up, but it says error and connection error. Anyone knows what to do? i never installed stable diffusion before, maybe that was a mistake to start with the ui?

[fresh vigil]

With the recent change of CEO, will SD3 be open source as planned?

[trim magnet]

cant wait for the SD3 NFT release 🙏

[patent nova]

Which is better, stable cascade or playgournd 2.5?

[shell tendon]

neither is better, what matters is what you're trying to do

[fallen mural]

Are you a poet?

[grand mist]

yo

any one play cs

?

i have a question

[quasi rune]

What the hell happened at Stability over the last month?

[quasi rune]

Yeah what’s going on? My guess is investor pressure to close down open source and push harder to make money

[stone latch]

No clue, and I would say the last 2 days not month 😅

[honest spear]

Emad has majority of vote, so it's believable it's his own decision to step down, let's hope for the best outcome

[quasi rune]

Oh yeah just saw this

https://x.com/emostaque/status/1771400218170519741?s=46&t=yqWvcZNctIPYbCGRleXgSw

Now I’m even more confused

[narrow kernel]

Pg2.5 is phenomenal for a lot of things. It has aesthetics that are off the charts at times and it has by far the best color contrast out of all the sd models. I know they talk a lot about that part in their HF page for it. I don't do a lot of stuff involving people, so I don't know how well it fares vs cascade(feels like 95% of users just want waifu similators, but I dont what your goal is)

But for almost everything else, it's one of the best models I've used. Feels like 90% of the images it makes are save worthy

[upbeat kestrel]

They have to sell. They have to. OTOY is going to drive the reputation of this tech into the ground, permanently, while emad enriches himself with some crypto pyramid vapoware. Everyone seems to forget OTOY pushed this great 'lightfield' tech for oculus then delivered.... nothing. And where is emad going? yes, OTOY.
Stability management/board is likely doing the best they can to salvage this mess. Coatue management already asked for his stepping down last year, they were already talking about selling. Of course they're going to sell. It's about salvage at this point, turns out 3d waifus and not answering customer emails wasn't a winning strategy after all, colored me surprised. I just feel bad for the researchers who had to jump ship in the last few month, no wonder the smart guys bailed - they didn't want their tech to become a crypto scam

[honest spear]

makes sense, when someone hear decentralize first thing that come to the mind is crypto. Do you think this thing has something to do with the delay we're seeing with the sd3 release?

[crimson beacon]

We never getting SD3 💀

[white mountain]

The fact that emad is posting crypto scams now presumably means they're out of cash

[potent spire]

Im not surprised at all for this fate of Stability AI

The OS community alone cant sustain a company

Or doesnt want to

[trim nymph]

they teased us for two months, hope we get an proper update soon.

[potent spire]

Are they going to open source it in the first place?

Or will it be behind a paywall

[stone latch]

Wow, SD3 behind a paywall?

That would kill many on the inside

🥲

[forest trout]

Emad just announced he's stepping down.

[stone latch]

We're talking about it 😅

[trim nymph]

a dev should anonymous leak it

[potent spire]

And then what? ^^

Let SAI disappear?

Would basically mean the very last model released by them

[stone latch]

Emad wasn't kidding then 💀

That there would be nothing past SD3

[honest spear]

I personally doubt it, first they already said it's free, second everyone would jump back to finetune sdxl, and Hugging face said they would buy SAI and open source SD3. But I can't predict the future

[dusk canopy]

lets hope emad leaks sd3

[potent spire]

Would HF be able to sustain itself with SAI on its back tho?

[dusk canopy]

if they can run demos for biug models

yes

[potent spire]

Dont know what their annual revenue is

[trim magnet]

no cause HF only made a joke on twitter now all of the redditors are spreading that as real

[potent spire]

Tbh i didnt follow it to that degree i only saw that screenshot lol

[trim magnet]

yea they only saw that screenshot and thought he was being serious

[potent spire]

You dont acquire something you know burns your money like hell without giving the profit back

Plus investors have a saying too

[civic ocean]

He has full board control.

Despite stepping down.

There is an actual plan here, it seems.

Speculation is a waste. We have no clue what is in store for SD.

[potent spire]

Ofc

[keen epoch]

oh now! I love sbalityAI! i love what they did !Amazing team! prey for the best!

[potent spire]

Breaking news! Stability AI is acquired by Microsoft (or Adobe)

[trim magnet]

wait no its gonna be Trump Media group

[trim nymph]

bought by open ai

[hollow swallow]

that team dont really work there anymore

[potent spire]

I just read, Huggingface has a annual revenue of 50 million dollars

No way they will buy SAI

And investors are still refusing to participate on that

[trim nymph]

how much SAI costs?

[potent spire]

Its not how much it costs, its how much it burns

Without giving the profit back

Which is 8 million dollars per month according to sources

Emad wanted to get investors that will bring him 4 billion dollar investment and he failed

[west prism]

anyone anyone know where I can find endpoint docs for comfy ui?

[meager galleon]

Hello:

I wanted to ask a question: are there SD models for specific tasks? I mean, I have Dreamshaper_8 and it's very good for defining characters BUT when I want them to interact with each other it doesn't "work", it even seems to "resist" with verbs like "fight", or "put hands on neck", "hug from behind", it's like they don't "know" those words and many times they don't include more people from the prompt. I have seen very good images made with other models and that's why I ask myself the question. Or I just don't know how to handle it properly.

[full lark]

Anyone else can´t train anymore with the last kohya_ss update? 🥺 I get errors and the configuration is the same as before

[zinc egret]

hi ! does "webui forge" is really better ? i got a11111

[full lark]

It is faster than a1111 but it looks exactly like automatic, I use it now

[zinc egret]

ok how much faster ?

[full lark]

In a1111 my gpu takes 19 to 20 seconds, in comfyui 20 to 22 and in forge 14 to 17

Is not thaat much but still

[zinc egret]

ok good to know thanks

[full lark]

🤗

[zinc egret]

and witch one is the more complete ?

[loud solar]

Forge has more preinstalled options

[zinc egret]

i fall on a video that say A1111 is bugging when switching models ?

[loud solar]

Should be fixed with forge ...

[zinc egret]

ok

and about controlnet for sdxl ?

[full lark]

I didn´t test it, but if it works for a1111 i think it should work with forge

you can try it without deleting a1111

[loud solar]

ControldNet already installed, didn't try with XL yet ...

[zinc egret]

hummm out of space must make a choice i can backup a1111 lol

[loud solar]

You can use the models from you A1111 Folder ... no xtra download/space needed for that

[zinc egret]

yes , ok i ll try it

[loud solar]

👍

[zinc egret]

thanks

[loud solar]

in webui-user.bat you can set the folders ...

[zinc egret]

about that ... lol the Git folder ??? what do i put ?

[loud solar]

The folders where all your A1111 Models are ...

[zinc egret]

?

i install git for what then ?

[loud solar]

You install forge ...

[zinc egret]

i give him the folder of git

lol

[loud solar]

git will install forge ... better than a one-click-installer

[raven agate]

Loras are usually the specific task model, they are used with your SD model. Other than that there's a specific model for SVD, there's a series of models of cascade. There's models meant for speed, there's Riffusion which is a spectrogram model for generating audio. I'd recommend going to civitai and check the models out there. Give you an idea and probably you'll find what you're looking for.

[pastel turtle]

So no SD3... well, it's finally over.

[gaunt pulsar]

[meager galleon]

Ah, then I have to learn how to use Loras. Thank you very much.

[zinc egret]

@loud solar i dm you ok

[loud solar]

Of course some odels are trained for special tasks, too. Like photorealism, anime, etc. just have a look at civit.ai

[loud solar]

OK

[meager galleon]

Ok, ok, thanks you.

[fleet dagger]

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[meager galleon]

So I can download the model I need and put it in the models folder and use it when I need it without it interfering with the others?

[meager sage]

wait what

when

[civic ocean]

don't let the smoothbrain assumptions get the best of you.

[slim rock]

how should i do can generate imagines?

[pastel turtle]

Thanks for calling me stupid, I know that already.

[slim rock]

now, it is "# 🔴 Bot is currently down! Bot channels are also unavailable until we are ready to return.
In the meanntime, try running Stable Diffusion locally or using Dreamstudio & Clipdrop."

how to solve this problem ? help

[civic ocean]

That's not what I did. I mean that its easy for people to be pessimistic right now if they ignore all the details.

[loud solar]

You will always choose the mode you wanna use right now ...

[gaunt pulsar]

we don't know since currently the CEO stepped out of the company and nobody knows what is going to happen currently until someone from stability says something

[loud solar]

I have 30+ models in my folder ...

[meager galleon]

I understand, and you use one depending on what you need. This is my first time using this and I'm pretty new.

[loud solar]

That's correct ...

[meager galleon]

Ok, ok, other question, how do I do to obtain 4 pictures instead of 1?

[loud solar]

The Loras are also interesting. They add additional styles als are way smaller

[loud solar]

In A1111 or SD Forge it's here

"Batch count"

Tried to upload a picture 🙂

[meager galleon]

Here or in the checkpoint?

[loud solar]

checkpoint or model is just the memory you load into your A.I. and you can use different user interfaces ... in A1111 or SD Forge you set "Batch count" to 4 to start with 4 pictures

[meager galleon]

Ok, I'm trying to upload a picture bau I can't before I could...
Every time I write a prompt, SD "learns" about it? I am doing a paper on the canary stick, a martial art from the Canary Islands but when I write prompts the model does not respond, "does not know", it is a little known discipline in the world. The more prompts I write, is SD supposed to learn more?

[loud solar]

I'm not really sure about the learning. I think maybe it learns in a session you use it. But if you restart the A.I. it would be gone ...

I think this chatroom doesn't allow pictures ...

[meager galleon]

Uhm, got it.

[meager galleon]

Ok, thanks.

[loud solar]

It's more that I sometimes got kinda artifacts from pictures I have created before in that session. But the real learning process AFAIK is training a model or LORA ....

[meager galleon]

Got it.

[raven agate]

Once you've gotten a handle on models, you should check out workflows 😅. That's where some craziness truly begins lol.

[astral goblet]

for diffusion models, training is a whole separate process. it's not like chatgpt where it retains the knowledge of the conversation.

[candid tulip]

I'm looking for help generating a 3d video using the sv3d-u model, is that possible here, I'm trying to use comfyui but I'm not finding alot of video tutorials. I've tried google colabs too.

[fervent thunder]

I think the closest analogy to having a conversation with chatGPT would be successive rounds of inpainting

[crude notch]

sv3d is for vid -> 3dmodel btw

[candid tulip]

SV3D-P is for 3d model

SV3D_p: Extending the capability of SVD3_u, this variant accommodates both single images and orbital views, allowing for the creation of 3D video along specified camera paths. Or am i misunderstanding this ?

[crude notch]

it turns image to orbital video

[valid pulsar]

what the hell is this news? emad resigns and sd3 release in limbo?

[crude notch]

yea basically

more sd3 invites supposedly today

[valid pulsar]

gosh. hopefully, they will release it. this sucks. he also said that they had video gen using patches like sora

[astral goblet]

yup

resigned from roles. he still owns stability

[rugged vigil]

Damn, how do I solve the problem with jsonmerge?

[valid pulsar]

yes, majority. hopefully we will hear soon. i would think stability would put out some info

[astral goblet]

i saw the facade cracking and falling away after devs started ripping on other devs and calling new models like proteus "a virus" . basically internal people at stability just shitting on everyone else from their plateau. culture of elitism is bad leadership.

but thats all just educated speculation on my part

[gaunt pulsar]

did they say this before or after Emad resigned?

[valid pulsar]

shouldn't they be beyond proteus level anyway with sd3? that sounds crazy

i haven't used it yet

[gaunt pulsar]

yeah sd3 should be SOTA currently in image gen

[trim nymph]

source?

[crude notch]

emad

before resigned

[trim nymph]

😅

[crude notch]

sota for consumers yes

[astral goblet]

when sd3 comes out, it'll potentially be sota. all the tooling and refinements of older models will still exist though

if sd3 comes out

[crude notch]

it will 100% be best model arch for consumers

its not an if, its a when

[astral goblet]

rumors about the board wanting to hold it back and only provide access through monetizable means like blockchain services

[crude notch]

rumors are rumors, it wont do that

[old solstice]

You should not believe anything except messages by Stability staff or the official comms channels. Anyone can write a tweet.

[astral goblet]

their partnership with render network blockchain is pretty substantial

i tend not even to believe tweets of stability staff either. i put all the pieces on the board into play

[gaunt pulsar]

Stability can calm everyone down in 5 seconds if they just say "don't worry, SD3 will be open source." here. The fact they aren't saying anything is a bit worrying imo

[old solstice]

It's a Saturday. Most staff are not working.

[astral goblet]

hugging face acquiring the company i think is the best path i've seen. i need some of that spice melange to be sure thoughh

[crystal tundra]

when blockchain?

[valid pulsar]

that would be great

[astral goblet]

see what i mean. the speculators are already circling. its all gone to shit.

blockchains are basically just ponzi schemes for big businesses

[crystal tundra]

Will we have airdrop?

[valid pulsar]

came out of nowhere for me.. when did you get the hint?

[astral goblet]

i had complete trust that no legitimate startup would dabble in blockchain before this week. i figured stability was fully legitimate. now they're partnered with 2 different blockchain companies. so it blind sided me too.

i knew the internal culture was a little broken though for a bit now. maybe longer and just didn't want to admit it. comfyanon shitting all over the work of illy's forge ui and claiming he coded it all, was one of the first bricks to fall from the wall

[old solstice]

We don't know anything. You can't make something up and then rely on it for another made up thing, and another, and another.

[astral goblet]

sure i can

litereally everything is made up and acts as the basis for other things people make up

https://twitter.com/GozukaraFurkan/status/1771315565182783611 another thing thats blind siding me this week

[iron pendant]

this goofball spends most of his day spamming links to paywalled content on public/free huggingface models and every discord he's on

[astral goblet]

His credentials as an academic have always been questionable to me, but i don't care enough to verify.

[candid tulip]

Thank you for clarifying, do you have a suggestion, I was looking into deforum on google colabs but it is having an issue with the K-diffusion model.

[smoky igloo]

hey guys, I'm looking for learning content for using diffusers,
i've been using it for nearly a month, and yet I've never succeeded in using it to the fullest with Civitai models and its resources

[astral goblet]

afaik, you have to convert safe tensors to a diffusers format in order to use them with the diffusers library.

is actually my biggest concern with hugging face potentially buying stability is that they'll make diffusers into the standard rather than the tidy .safetensor files we all enjoy

[karmic cedar]

Academic credentials tend to be relative to the academy, etc.

Regarding SUPIR, he has taken the Gradio demo and scripted about 41 versions of it for people

[astral goblet]

41 versions to what benefit?

[karmic cedar]

He’s a DIYer, but he has provided accessibility pathways that are somewhat valuable to the average person

No real benefit lol

[astral goblet]

you know what, i'm not going to argue the merits of someone who sings qanon level conspiracy nonsense. good luck

[karmic cedar]

😂

[smoky igloo]

regard the models yes you are right
but regards using loras no it dosen't need i think
i've seen youtube videos , they only download the lora from civitai and uppload it to hugingface thn use its id
when i do that i only get errors like missing models and somthing like that

[lone hawk]

Closed Sourse Censor Diffusion 3 out yet? Lmao

[astral goblet]

All models are censored. Any kind of dataset culling is technically censorship. Change my mind.

[lone hawk]

sd3 is dead, i told you guys))

[astral goblet]

yeah the hype died out for sure.. but probably not for the reasons you were on about earlier

[lone hawk]

now it's going to be censored forever, RIP SD3

[ornate flame]

yeah seems like a good chance that SD3 weights will never make it to huggingface

[astral goblet]

hugging face seems to be in the running to buy stability. don't count the chickens yet. BUCAWK!

[ornate flame]

it seems like SAI is heading in a bad direction, so HF will need to make some big changes if they do buy SAI

[astral goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/chicken-fucker-bacock-cop-cops-gif-9197223

[gaunt pulsar]

how likely is it that hugging face won't become closed too?

[ornate flame]

seems likely that HF will stay open to me, that's almost all of their appeal

[astral goblet]

HF is quite established in their sector. Of course anything could change, but it'd be a black swan event if it changed today

[gaunt pulsar]

I'd like to think so but we have seen Mistral, OAI, now even SAI maybe

[harsh wigeon]

Mistral technically hasn't sold out

[lone hawk]

Emad resignation means open source death, Stability AI is already dead

[astral goblet]

hugging face's primary purpose is to be a development platform. changing from an open platform to a closed one would be catastrophic for them. It would allow competitors to out perform them.

[harsh wigeon]

You're just a doomer

[gaunt pulsar]

has HF developed any model yet? Maybe they will continue to have open platform but idk if they will release models

[harsh wigeon]

Yes, they released a 180b model a year ago

But their purpose is to be the AI repo as of now

[fervent thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/waffling-gif-26189788

[astral goblet]

a lot of code too

[limpid tapir]

Leaks please 🥺

[rich kestrel]

SD3 is finally dead? Wahoooooooo

Long live 1.5

[astral goblet]

1.5 is over shadowed by a lot of better models already. It just lives on because its all poor people can manage

[true canopy]

.....

[frozen helm]

I prefer 1.4t

(Daewoo!!!!)

[loud solar]

Does SD offer a killswitch manager job? Willing to travel 🙂

[vestal dew]

What will become of open source once SAI is gone?

[true canopy]

noone knows

[loud solar]

Our last hope if you don't want to end up in controlled and cencored cloud subscriptions ...

[vestal dew]

that's what it will be

[frozen helm]

I would love to get banned on 30 accounts and pay hundreds of dollars trying to bypass filters tbh

Like genuinely sounds fun

[vestal dew]

open source will end still in mostly portraits

[loud solar]

Big companies are already moving their services into the cloud ... not sure when local computinig will end ...

[astral goblet]

lol open source will live on. there are lots of teams out there learning all the new tricks . the cost of compute is always coming down.

[vestal dew]

we'll see...I hope you're right

[frozen helm]

local computing won’t end, but it sure will get paywalled like some adobe type shit

[vestal dew]

we're just getting some decent video stuff - then we see SAI crumbling

paywalled and, as we saw with gemini, censored

[loud solar]

They will sell it to us as: "You don't need an expensive computer any longer. A display with internet connection will be enough ...."

[vestal dew]

right, and you don't need the images you want....we'll tell you what images to make

[split kestrel]

hi friends.

[loud solar]

And pleasy pay monthly ... they will say less loud ...

[frozen helm]

pick from a list of 3 pregenerated prompts lol

[split kestrel]

first official post 🙂

[true canopy]

Hi

[loud solar]

A "surprise me" button will be enough ....

[vestal dew]

right

[split kestrel]

I am on the struggggggle with comfy and getting video with SVD

[loud solar]

if comfy is to complicated try Stable Diffusion Forge ...

[split kestrel]

I dont think its too complicated...

I just dont understand whats missing lol

[astral goblet]

forge doesn't work with SVD iirc. You'll want SD.Next for that

[raven agate]

Forge works with SVD 😁

[astral goblet]

comfy itself is pretty barebones and needs custom nodes

[split kestrel]

well... I have done some wicked stuff with it

photo gen

[astral goblet]

its capable yup

thats more of the model than it is comfyui though

[loud solar]

You can do a lot with comfy but it needs time to understand the workflows and get the nodes and models ...

[raven agate]

Forge only the XL svd model works though

[split kestrel]

I come from a very video heavy backround

However, I must have done SOMETHING while working in photo to have it not want to run the barebones json workflow

cant paste pics... I Spose thats a good thing concidering lol

I was gonan share my workflow cuz I know you guys would spot something stupid in 2 seconds flat

[astral goblet]

My favorite way to work with animatediff lately has been automatic1111 1.8 and the extension. Forge has potential with the unet patcher, but the dev needs to rebuild it from the ground up and he's in the middle of classes right now, so that'll be a while.

I've seen a couple of dedicated UI's specifically for animation, but i've not tested any yet

[split kestrel]

I think the issue is in the ksampler.

but it doesnt make sense.

[astral goblet]

nodegraphs tend to become rats nests fasts

[split kestrel]

I am useing the OG basic template

just to troubleshoot

[loud solar]

This chatroom is without pics ... there's a general one with pics ...

[low moon]

So I had to sleep. Whats up is Satbility over? did they join the evil empire?

[split kestrel]

ill slide in there for a sec

[loud solar]

Good luck!

[astral goblet]

you blinked ! emad resigned and dr furkan is a qanoner

[loud solar]

Trump bought it to creaty content for his network 😄

[low moon]

dang

[loud solar]

Ohhh... he ran out of money ... I forgot ^^

[split kestrel]

Error occurred when executing KSampler:

CUDA error: invalid configuration argument
CUDA kernel errors might be asynchronously reported at some other API call, so the stacktrace below might be incorrect.

I was right. lol.

well... lol it would help if I knew what that meant 🙂

[loud solar]

I am just a user ... and less of ComfyUI ... no idea, sorry!

[split kestrel]

lol

[astral goblet]

Comfui. ... NO CODING REQUIRED!......

[split kestrel]

uh huh 🙂

I assume its something stupid I need to download and put in the right folder

[loud solar]

Try to google ...

Or Gemini 🙂

[mortal delta]

I wonder if its possible to create an ok comic with stable diffusion, ive seen some people do it before but im not sure what techniques or tools they use.
it seems interesting, also i think i wonder too much.

[true canopy]

its pretty much what im trying to do, but

[loud solar]

Problem is to keep consistant charakters ...

[true canopy]

its not just that, its other stuff as well im afraid

[loud solar]

You can try using famous people ... or train a Lora ... haven't found another solution yet

[echo robin]

Where can I find more info on the ksampler sampler names? The official Comfui community manual is under construction

[true canopy]

even if u have consistant characters, its so hard to make anything out of it, emotions, movements

[mortal delta]

I know ive heard different method like seeds, ipadaper and such.

[mortal delta]

its at time like these si wish i had drawing skills but i dont also im impatient.

[loud solar]

If you are able to sketch with your hands it might be easier 🙂

[astral goblet]

models that aren't over fit help a lot with emotions

[mortal delta]

by chance do you have a good example or nah?

[astral goblet]

a good comic should have pre work done to it too. its not a tall order to expect frames be pre planned and have a little open pose composition to them

[mortal delta]

you have a point!

[astral goblet]

cyberrealistic models i've been toying with lately. there author made wild card sets that work well with his models

[true canopy]

u would need a rly good setup to make anything work, then with multple characters, its awhole other mess

im trying to make characters seperate, and then paste then into backgrounds but.. its hard

[astral goblet]

multiple characters in one panel isn't too difficult. just tricky. Regional prompting in latent mode allows for multiple loras

[mortal delta]

oh wild cards ive been wanting to try therm but they seem kinda daunting...

[astral goblet]

they're just text files that fill a placeholder in your prompt. super useful

[loud solar]

A.I. is just another tool that needs a lot of work if you want to have good results ...

[mortal delta]

i should look into them and maybe make my own.

[astral goblet]

People want that startrek holodeck

Where vague prompts always do exactly what they want

[loud solar]

Me too!

[astral goblet]

I'm people . i get it

Think i dont wanna go full Barklay on the holodeck??

[mortal delta]

we all can relate.

[astral goblet]

Think i don't want my brain to expand into the entirety of the Enterprise D class? I got that D envy u know?

[low moon]

Fooooooooooooooooooooooooocus is for comic books

[loud solar]

I'm learning to use A.I. 2 years now ... and I think it will be a neverending story....

[astral goblet]

Art is an adventure

[low moon]

we will plateau

[astral goblet]

An... artventure

[true canopy]

why would foocus be better for comics?

[low moon]

like with video editing and photo editing, eventually every sing;le program will be good enough for the basics

[mortal delta]

I use stable diffusion ai here and there but my setup still stinks, but its ok.

[low moon]

AI wll reach that too when you just boot up whatever and u can make character slock them and play with them etc

[astral goblet]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[low moon]

it does good faces

and

has load sof stylez

[loud solar]

There's always ne stuff coming and while you learn about the new one you might forget the good old one like regional prompting ....

[low moon]

yeah lol i used that like for 3 days

[mortal delta]

noted

[astral goblet]

regional prompting is bae

[loud solar]

As long as you have fun with it ... do like me and try to continue ... but some gifted people better use their hands ...

[mortal delta]

I littealy have to run off of cpu, because my graphic card shuts down my pc when i use ai stuff on the gpu.

[mortal delta]

that sounds kinda wise.

[loud solar]

Many people just think: "Oh ... we have A.I. it can work for me and I don't have to do/know anything." but that's the wrong idea ...

[mortal delta]

yeah they are super wrong. i thought kinda like that at first but then i dident.

[loud solar]

It's a tool like a pencil or brush ... you have to learn to control it .... if you don't want random pictures ...

[astral goblet]

driver problem maybe. or it's drawing too much power from the PSU. potentially solved by using MSI Afterburner and capping the power. Or doing a total driver uninstall and reinstalling

[dusk canopy]

i am going insane

i spent 2 days trying to train loras to get fingers perfect

i think ive almost done it

[astral goblet]

i remember when i first started learning photoshop. Seemed like i could do anything. Then I realized the skill ceiling was way higher than i had thought

[low moon]

yeah

this is like learnign 3D modelling all over again lol

or PS

[true canopy]

here its more of a skill/hardwhere cealing lol

[low moon]

takes years to get good at it

[mortal delta]

Ill look into that when i can i think its drawing too much power honestly. ive tried reinstalling the driver so much its no longer funny.

[astral goblet]

hardware issues are skill issues imo. That's just PC gaming life

don't got frames? git gud

[true canopy]

are u cold? just run some workflows, BRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEE

its like having a open fireplace

[astral goblet]

fires are better they give that full spectrum infrared heat instead of just convection

just light your pc on fire for that effect

ez

[true canopy]

aw, civitai is down = (

[mortal delta]

ah dang

[loud solar]

😂

[astral goblet]

up here. maybe a dns issue

[true canopy]

maybe it was temporary

[astral goblet]

these days i use non default ISP DNS. Like google's or cloudflares

1.1.1.1

and the backup is 1.0.0.1

[mortal delta]

im looking up how to use msi afterburner is it better to overclock it or do the opposite?

[crude notch]

depends on gpu

some gpus can go wild

[mortal delta]

i have an amd 480... so yeah.

[crude notch]

other gpus are just stuck with +1.5% gains

[astral goblet]

i'd just limit the power use ot 80% and see if that helps

[loud solar]

I'm using silend mode with my 4090 most of the time ... still fast enough for 90%

[mortal delta]

noted

[astral goblet]

if you're going to experiment with it, make one adjustment and test. then note that and do another and test. iterative

[dusk canopy]

lol

[crude notch]

i forgot what the reccomended settings were for a 3060

[dusk canopy]

im using whatever

it runs everything

lol

[astral goblet]

do you offhand know what your psu is , and what your cpu/gpu are?

[dusk canopy]

except cascade

had to use some technique to get that to run

using some github repo

load one model then unload then load other model

[crude notch]

offloading

[mortal delta]

kinda my cpu in an intel i3 with 4 cores, my gpu is amd 480 (8vram) but beside that im clueless.

[dusk canopy]

no

this is a bad diea

idea

never offload image models

[astral goblet]

amd 480 huh. might just be a driver issue 😉

[mortal delta]

noted

[astral goblet]

i had that card. it's a gooder but it's and older one

[crude notch]

what you mentioned is traditional offloading

[astral goblet]

maybe be able to squeeze some diffusioning out of it on linux

[dusk canopy]

yes

[crude notch]

load model a, run model a, unload model a; repeat for model b

[mortal delta]

Possibly but i find linux so hard to use.

[dusk canopy]

i thoughtr you meant offload one model to cpu

then process

[crude notch]

oh cpu offloading sucks for diffusers

[dusk canopy]

no we arenty processing it on cpu we process on gpu but store one model in sys ram

[astral goblet]

is easy once you're over the learning curve. never any problems with linux ever after that (don't believe me)

[dusk canopy]

then load the other model in vram once other offloads

[loud solar]

Doesn't Forge do something like that? Looks like it's caring about freeing memory (VRAM) again ...

[charred mesa]

Yeah it seems to do that

Note that although the above codes look like independent codes, they actually will automatically offload/unload any other models. For example, below is me opening webui, load SDXL, generated an image, then go to SVD, then generated image frames. You can see that the GPU memory is perfectly managed and the SDXL is moved to RAM then SVD is moved to GPU.

This is how I imagined SD3 8B running on 12GB, by offloading T5 and the MMDiT model to RAM while not being used for example

But someone told me that 8B MMDiT will take up a LOT of VRAM apparently, so I guess 12GB is out of the question

[loud solar]

You will have to try ... even if it doesn't work soon ... it might work in a few days/weeks

New technology is coming, people try to make it work and later they will work on efficiancy ...

[fervent thunder]

has anyone tried to (intentionally) make a photomosaic? i tried to upscale an image yesterday and didnt configure some settings properly, and ended up with a very interesting photomosaic. I still havent figured out whether or not its an intended feature or if i stumbled across something unintentional 😆

[loud solar]

[Memory Management] Current Free GPU Memory (MB) = 11075.047607421875
[Memory Management] Model Memory (MB) = 186.4295482635498
[Memory Management] Minimal Inference Memory (MB) = 1024.0
[Memory Management] Estimated Remaining GPU Memory (MB) = 9864.618059158325
Moving model(s) has taken 0.12 seconds

[pearl ocean]

SD3 when

[loud solar]

Now ...

[true canopy]

we are at a different stage

we are at the "what the hell is happening" stage

when comes after that stage

[pearl ocean]

😮

[pearl ocean]

They need to send updates more often

[loud solar]

It's there ... maybe not for you or me ... even if I could send you a copy you couldn't use it ....

[true canopy]

im not even sure a lot of people at stability even know whats going on with all the crazyness, resigns and stuff

[loud solar]

Time is running ...

[true canopy]

did e-dog write anything else on twitterinos?

[pearl ocean]

Guys, I added some — argument to my SD, and it made my SD run so much better, things rendered so much faster

[true canopy]

like, maybe, "psych, it was all a joke, got u", perhaps?

[pearl ocean]

I didn’t know how inefficient thr standard SD UI was

[loud solar]

It's hard work/learning ...

[astral goblet]

if this is true i was got hard

got me so good

[true canopy]

"i got hacked lol"

jokes aside, can anyone actually check what emad latest tweet is? he said he would update us

[gaunt pulsar]

No new tweets

[pearl ocean]

X

[true canopy]

thanks

[narrow kernel]

I'm kind of doubting that the full 8B model will be released to the public. They will probably just release the 2B version and keep the 8 and turbo8 closed off for commercial purposes. If HF does actually buy them, that will take months to a year before they'd release anything

[stone latch]

What arguments, if I may ask? And for which UI?

[fervent thunder]

was about to ask the same.

[nocturne mural]

Is there a 3D camera for framing imagery available or in the works?

[fervent thunder]

speaking of UI's , im convinced that only masochists actually enjoy using comfy

[pearl ocean]

Just the webUI, I think it’s called, I’m not on my PC at the moment, so I forget which one.
It wasn’t xFormers, it was the the other one, I think it has a D in it

[astral goblet]

https://twitter.com/DataPlusEngine/status/1771581518713950273 Datavoid working to do a base transformers model now. man with a plan.

[fervent thunder]

automatic1111 is your ui im guessing?

[stone latch]

I believe A1111 is indeed referred to as just WebUI

But as far as I know "WebUI" is also a collective term 😂

[astral goblet]

i tried calling it steak sauce for a while but no one knew what i meant

[stone latch]

For all web user interfaces

[stone latch]

Try porcupine quills next!

[fervent thunder]

yeah, theres forge, comfy, a1111, foooocus, and i think a couple others

[pearl ocean]

I think

[stone latch]

Is it made with Gradio?

[fervent thunder]

cant think of a performance argument that starts with a d, you will have to let us know when you see what it is. i run these for performance --xformers --cuda-malloc --cuda-stream --pin-shared-memory on forge

couldnt tell a difference either way when using --alwaysgpu(or was it onlygpu?, i forget)

[covert marsh]

anyone knows how to do facetomany type img2img generation on A1111?

[pearl ocean]

its called "stable-diffusion-webui"
and the arg is "--opt-sdp-attention"

[stone latch]

Then A1111 for sure

[pearl ocean]

ah ok

[stone latch]

It seems to result in performance improvements for AMD GPUs 🤔

I did a quick search

I wonder if it will do anytthing on an Nvidia

[fervent thunder]

will run it in a bit on forge and report back. for reference, nvidia rtx a4500

[astral goblet]

its a different kind of memory optimization. like xformers, but it works on amd

[fervent thunder]

what happens then when i run it on nvidia with xformers 😄

[astral goblet]

i dont think it'll use both. it'll use just one of the two

[fervent thunder]

k will do comparison of x formers and --opt-sdp-attention

[icy quest]

is there a tool that turns video into jpg?

[stone latch]

I don't think I use even --xformers 🤔 Would it improve model loading times?

[fervent thunder]

am guessing that it wont work with --cuda-malloc --cuda-stream --pin-shared-memory

[stone latch]

Those are painfully slow

[stone latch]

Likely a video editing tool can do this for you. Take a video, move to a frame, and export as image 🙂

[fervent thunder]

^ davinci resolve. its free

[icy quest]

bruv i mean i need all of the frames

and like at 15 fps so every other one has to be deleted lol

whats the opposite of interpolation

[stone latch]

The question was unclear then.

[fervent thunder]

i THINK you can also do that with davinci, not an expert with it

[icy quest]

sorry

[stone latch]

Vegas Pro offers that I'm pretty sure

[icy quest]

thats crazy

[fervent thunder]

actually im almost positive danvinci can, just dont ask me how. im surte some quick googling will get it answered

[icy quest]

damn i think premire can do it too, export sequance as images, and i think u can set sequance fps

[stone latch]

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/extracting-a-still-every-90-frames--111221/
https://forum.blackmagicdesign.com/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=107737

The second one is about DaVinci Resolve

Though this second thread seems rather unhelpful 💀

https://forum.blackmagicdesign.com/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=106236 I think this is better

[pearl ocean]

It helped so much, things ran way faster, and there was no VRAM memory leaks

1024 images ran to the speed of what the 512 images were

[astral goblet]

it's not a vram leak (heh vram memory like atm machine)

all the vram is allocated legitimately , you just dont have enough.

a leak is when memory that isn't needed anymore is never released

[fervent thunder]

mishaou assistant will make sure it gets released if youre haveing an issue with that

[stone latch]

I wonder why it's called a leak if it's never released 🤔

[astral goblet]

yeah the terminology is not the best metaphor

[fervent thunder]

ok well, im probably just doing something wrong but it seems that --opt-sdp-attention does not work with nvidia at all

[astral goblet]

it does. in the past i've tested both. i prefer xformers. just seems more reliable

[fervent thunder]

tries to load xformers even if the argument isnt used

[regal glacier]

hook me up ..
my first installation was succeed to open SD on my browser (http://127.0.0.1:7860/)
but it's out of memory
"OutOfMemoryError: CUDA out of memory. Tried to allocate 40.00 MiB. GPU 0 has a total capacty of 4.00 GiB of which 0 bytes is free. Of the allocated memory 3.40 GiB is allocated by PyTorch, and 52.19 MiB is reserved by PyTorch but unallocated. If reserved but unallocated memory is large try setting max_split_size_mb to avoid fragmentation. See documentation for Memory Management and PYTORCH_CUDA_ALLOC_CONF
Time taken: 1 min. 13.7 sec."

[icy quest]

damn i thought extras tab would let u do batch stable diffusions, but its only for extras. how sad lol

i think u need like 8 or 12gb to do stable diffusion stuff

[fervent thunder]

^ ive heard of people using forge with 4gb.

[astral goblet]

so glad i bought a 16gb card. wanted 24 but the prices were too insane

[true canopy]

ill start with a 4060ti, until 5090 is released

[fervent thunder]

so, this may be a forge issue but, even when removing all args except the --opt-sdp-attention(yes i know, this one has the extra args, forgot to copy the log when running woithout, but result was the same)

Launching Web UI with arguments: --autolaunch --api --theme dark --opt-sdp-attention --cuda-malloc --cuda-stream --pin-shared-memory
Using cudaMallocAsync backend.
Total VRAM 20470 MB, total RAM 28652 MB
WARNING:xformers:A matching Triton is not available, some optimizations will not be enabled.
Error caught was: No module named 'triton'
xformers version: 0.0.23.post1
Set vram state to: NORMAL_VRAM
Always pin shared GPU memory
Device: cuda:0 NVIDIA RTX A4500 : cudaMallocAsync
VAE dtype: torch.bfloat16
CUDA Stream Activated: True
Traceback (most recent call last):
etcetcetc
import xformers
ModuleNotFoundError: import of xformers halted; None in sys.modules
Press any key to continue . . .

[astral goblet]

might be enabled in settings

[fervent thunder]

i dont care enough to mess around with it much more 😄 happy enough with current results lol

[dusk canopy]

song lyrics are actually good prompts lol

on this model*

[fervent thunder]

To load target model SDXL
Begin to load 1 model
[Memory Management] Current Free GPU Memory (MB) = 17430.19991874695
[Memory Management] Model Memory (MB) = 4897.086494445801
[Memory Management] Minimal Inference Memory (MB) = 1024.0
[Memory Management] Estimated Remaining GPU Memory (MB) = 11509.113424301147
Moving model(s) has taken 1.57 seconds
100%|██████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████| 20/20 [00:07<00:00, 2.62it/s]
To load target model AutoencoderKL█████████████████████████████████████████████████████| 20/20 [00:05<00:00, 3.14it/s]
Begin to load 1 model
[Memory Management] Current Free GPU Memory (MB) = 12529.618307113647
[Memory Management] Model Memory (MB) = 159.55708122253418
[Memory Management] Minimal Inference Memory (MB) = 1024.0
[Memory Management] Estimated Remaining GPU Memory (MB) = 11346.061225891113
Moving model(s) has taken 0.25 seconds
Cleanup minimal inference memory.
Miaoshouai boot assistant: Memory Released!
Total progress: 100%|██████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████| 20/20 [00:13<00:00, 1.46it/s]
Total progress: 100%|██████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████| 20/20 [00:13<00:00, 3.14it/s]

[dusk canopy]

what gpu

[fervent thunder]

rtx a4500. worth noting that model loading has been way faster with forge, however the integrated controlnet doesnt like to play nicely with some extensions

[pearl ocean]

I just have a simple 4080

[true canopy]

i wouldent call that simple

[fervent thunder]

also if anyone knows how to get triton working with windows (without running a virtual linux environment or using docker) please share your knowledge

[dusk canopy]

whats the best ai voice cloner

[rich kestrel]

applio

[dusk canopy]

open source*(

with good documentation

[stone latch]

What's an "AI Voice Cloner"?

[rich kestrel]

its open source....

[dusk canopy]

implementing it in a sting operation program

[fervent thunder]

sting operation? ewww.

[astral goblet]

the 4080 is a beast. dont believe the hate for it. just youtube clickbait mostly

[rich kestrel]

3090 is way cheaper and with more vram

5090 is coming this year anyways so all of those cards will be irrelevant

my body is ready

[dusk canopy]

💀 what?

this makes me think you are a very weird indivual

why do you dislike sting operations?

you do realise who sting operations target right

[fervent thunder]

sting operation makes me think of drug bust

[dusk canopy]

no

💀

way worse

[astral goblet]

lol see what i mean. haters gonn hate

[fervent thunder]

ay going after those

[stone latch]

🤔

[dusk canopy]

pedophiles?

[fervent thunder]

yeah by all means then proceed 😄

[dusk canopy]

catching predators?

💀

bro you making yourself seem abit supsicious ahhaa

[fervent thunder]

😆 i assumed drug busts

[astral goblet]

i would've regretted buying a 3090. it doesn't have very great fp8 support and that's been a huge boon lately

[pearl ocean]

imagine if SLI was still a thing 🙂

[dusk canopy]

for ai voice?

on discord?

:Skui

💀

[astral goblet]

sting operation makes me think of that song that ice cream trucks play. i'm an old

[fervent thunder]

its exactly what it sounds like, instead of text to image or img 2 img its like text to voice or voice 2 voice, but using someone elses voice

[astral goblet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsFGcPujqKE

[stone latch]

So, text to speech 💀 But way more advanced

[fervent thunder]

mhmm

[dusk canopy]

text to speech is better than voice 2 voice

voice 2 voice is just 12 year olds using voice changers

[stone latch]

The night is quite young, I should try it out 🤔

[astral goblet]

ugh. plans!? iiii dont wanna play. i just wanna stable diffuse all day

[fervent thunder]

yeah im not too familiar with that tech, but im checking out the applio thing someone mentioned. i actually had an idea for a short animation i wanted to do using marlon brando's voice from the godfather, and i havent been able to figure out a way to make it sound good

[astral goblet]

oh i guess we can't call it stable diffusing anymore , since they're all but dead now

[icy quest]

hmmm open pose is giving me a decent thing to work with, but it looks like SD doesnt understand open pose

[fervent thunder]

marlon brando + my hybrid ronald mcdonald \ It . should be pretty damn funny if i can get it working

[astral goblet]

you need a preprocessor AND the correct model for the architecture you're using

[fervent thunder]

make sure you arent using a preprocessor, and that youre using the correct model. upload your pose as reference image

[astral goblet]

meaning you cant use sd15 openpose models on sdxl

[icy quest]

wtf is a preprocessor

[fervent thunder]

can you not post images on this thing?..

[astral goblet]

processes the pose out of an image before diffusion begins

[fervent thunder]

you dont need the preprocessor if you already have the pose, preprocessor just if youre creating a pose