💬｜general-chat

[fervent thunder]

Cuz if u dont build your own nukes, ur fucked

[past jay]

They don't want to fall behind in the AI race and they seem to have accepted that it's fundamentally difficult to completely remove the possibility of any negative output. Those who have access to running it their local machines are likely a very small minority and already would've had the capability to access resources that the party would be against.

[keen relic]

Before, when news were state-owned, you knew that to know the truth, you needed to listen to several countries radio broadcast and cross-check. I think now people are just thinking everything they hear is true.

[craggy granite]

but truth, is not only about politics
if about politics: truth can be declared from different sides

[nova fable]

The long term goal with all of the censorship is to ensure that corporations, the military, etc all have access to unfettered AI that will do whatever they want (right up to and including literally assisting them in mass murder). Meanwhile, we will have stupid hobbled versions that can't even generate a picture of Will Smith eating spaghetti.

[fervent thunder]

[sweet token]

Damm general chat going philosophical today

[crude willow]

I wouldn't say everything

[opal hedge]

All it takes is one model leak to end the hegemony of controlled AI

[past jay]

Without getting too deep into politics there's solid evidence that machine learning has been a key focus for them for the better part of a decade. Especially for upholding their values.

[fervent thunder]

Know thyself

[fierce musk]

I dunno know who brought politics into this; I just commented on an interesting conversation about democracy. And honestly, politics is everywhere, including in AI. Oh hell, it's definitely present for sure.

[fervent thunder]

Nah

Who are you talking to right now, Skyler?

[sweet token]

@fervent thunder back in the early testing days, the wildest things were posted here

[fervent thunder]

You think AI is some tool for you to generate booba?

AI is a fucking national security threat of the highest degree.
There will be no leak of that sort. Not unless you're talking about the type of leak that will end up getting a spy beheaded.

[opal hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/robert-redford-jeremiah-johnson-nodding-yes-nod-of-approval-gif-21066931

[craggy granite]

I think because today was announced news about SD3

[past jay]

Most likely lol.

[keen relic]

and are left waiting for application for the beta to be approved.

[opal hedge]

Meanwhile the nuclear stockpiles of the US were leaked on a flashcard app by soldiers responsible for their management

[crude willow]

military documents get leaked to warthunder players

[craggy granite]

generally... yes

[sweet token]

@craggy granite yeah knowing this server probably

[past jay]

Weren't the nuclear codes 000000 for a long time or something.

[bitter dawn]

.

[fervent thunder]

Those documents were incredibly useless.

Overclassification.

[opal hedge]

Oh god I never heard of that one

[past jay]

https://www.globalzero.org/scan-for-nuclear-codes/

For 15 years during the Cold War, the code used to prevent an unauthorized launch of U.S. nuclear missiles was eight zeros: 00000000. It wasn’t until Bruce Blair, a former Minuteman missile launch control officer, alerted his superiors and members of Congress to the dangers of maintaining the not-so-secret codes that the Air Force finally reprogrammed them. When you take into account the amount of destruction a single nuclear weapon can cause, these codes represent a terrifying reality.

[craggy granite]

Where you got it?

[past jay]

They were eight zeroes.. so I was close enough.

Still not exactly great.

[crude willow]

the models are contained in mostly just a handful of files that are just a bunch of numbers, leaking them would not take much

[craggy granite]

is it site that can be trusted?

[arctic sedge]

I wonder how much Vram SD3 will need? I would think a lot? I would be amazed if it runs under 18Gb of Vram to be honest.

[opal hedge]

Yes, I was curious why they didn't mention that

[craggy granite]

I would be amazed if it runs on my old 8GB card

[fervent thunder]

The code is but one of a long series of safety measures tho

[opal hedge]

Cries in 12GB Vram

[rough sail]

Really?!

[arctic sedge]

Cries in 10

[opal hedge]

https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/29/22459869/us-soldiers-leaked-nuclear-info-online-flashcard-apps

That's why I'm not worried about controlled AI lol

[craggy granite]

cries in 8

[past jay]

That's a not for profit anti nuclear weapon organisation, which could give them a bias.
https://sgs.princeton.edu/00000000
There's also this one from Bruce Blair themselves. They give quite a few sources.

[fervent thunder]

"the soldiers used study apps such as Chegg, Cram, and Quizlet to create flashcards where they stored information about bases in Europe where US nuclear weapons were likely located, secret codes, passwords, and other details about security. "

smartest puppets NA

[past jay]

But yeah, @fervent thunder is right in saying that it's just one of a few measures, still very funny and somewhat concerning though.

[sweet token]

@arctic sedge we thought that SD 1.4 would've taken a lot of VRAM when we're just testing it but we've been surprised that it can be ran on 8gbs VRAM, so SD 3 it might just run under 12gb VRAM hopefully

[opal hedge]

And not to mention that the VRAM requirements of old models continue to decrease with 500 IQ developer shenanigans

[arctic sedge]

I hope so. It means i can then run it before upgrading to a new GPU. 😅
But if we compare it to SDXL, SDXL only barely runs on 8GB/10Gb.
SD3 looks like a whole different beast altogether.

[sweet token]

I never ran SDXL locally so I don't know much about it

[peak wolf]

If SD3 uses T5 XXL...

[arctic sedge]

yeah. It's pretty Vram intensive.

[sweet token]

AI is developing too fast for my brain to handle, like not too long ago SD 1.4 used to be the best for AI image creation

[peak wolf]

encoder on CPU, tiled VAE, u-net on GPU might still be fine, I guess?

[arctic sedge]

You're not the only one m8. I think we all feel like that.
We don't even have Stable Cascade yet! And we already have the announcement for SD3!

[arctic sedge]

You think that would lower the Vram cost?

[nocturne pewter]

Just noticed the news about SD3 too

[dark turret]

Is SD3 a continuation of 2 or XL?

Anybody know? Someone dropped a link but it was just to the announcement and it didn't say

[peak wolf]

Yes, doing those do save on VRAM

[forest trout]

Seems like a different structure.

[sweet token]

@arctic sedge like I remember when I first heard about stable diffusion and I thought "oh cool it's like a better dalle mini"

[opal hedge]

It's an entirely new architecture apparently

[dark turret]

Oh nice

[arctic sedge]

Yes m8. It's a full upgrade on architecture too.

[forest trout]

I should clarify, it seems like a different internal architecture.

[past jay]

We don't have many details since we don't have the technical report yet.

Once we have that we'll be able to clarify more things.

[opal hedge]

It's so realistic that the booba generated with SD3 pop out of the screen and hit you in the face

[forest trout]

I'm assuming it incorporates a bit of stable cascade into it.

[peak wolf]

They say transformer diffuser, I assume that isn't referring to the ViT

[dark turret]

Ok, I didn't know if I just wasn't finding it or if it wasn't out (sorry, this was meant to be a reply to Banana)

[past jay]

I'd say they would've taken lessons from training Stable Cascade and utilised them within SD3.

[arctic sedge]

Yeah haha! Good Old Dalle-Mini. Also now known as Craiyon

[wintry stream]

Imo this is the best way to look at it.

SD3 is the next step in Stable Diffusion as a whole so it's a little hard to pick one point to reference it against.
Sorry if that just adds to the confusion 🙂

[past jay]

Could've been vice-versa as well, not sure which one was trained first but Stable Cascade's underlying architecture trains a lot faster.

[sweet token]

Emad said it's a bit like SORA in it's architecture, so think a diffusion model with gpt tokenizer, btw that is a gross oversimplification but you get the idea

[forest trout]

So is it messing with the prompt internally afterwards?

[wintry stream]

Cascade & SD3 serve different purposes - Cascade being based on the Würstchen architecture & not being a "Stable Diffusion" model necessarily
Link for Würstchen: https://openreview.net/forum?id=gU58d5QeGv

[dark turret]

no, it clears it up

[opal hedge]

I don't know if you're cleared to answer this or if you can even predict it, but is there any approximate timeline for SD3's public release

[dark turret]

I think the only issue was going from 1 to 2 originally

[past jay]

Yup yup.

[dark turret]

if we just assume each new step other than a decimal won't be the same architecture, that's fine.

[past jay]

soon™️

[storm shard]

It would be nice if @wise stratus would take the center stage and tell us more

[wintry stream]

[forest trout]

Guys, the answer is always Soon ™️

[past jay]

It could always be worse, they could be on Valve Time.

[sweet token]

The good old SOON

[opal hedge]

SD3 releasing alongside halflife3 confirmed

[wintry stream]

CS2 is pretty great tho

[fervent thunder]

I don't care about toys anymore. I just want Lord Yahweh reveal Himself by coming down from Heaven in his Superintelligent form.

[past jay]

Yeah, that's true. Everything they do takes absolutely forever but it's usually always worth it in the end.

Half-Life: Alyx was definitely a long wait but it was worthwhile in the end.

[fervent thunder]

Generate Half Life 3 with AI.

[wintry stream]

Half Life: Aiyx

[sweet token]

Only for it to be taken down by valve

[fervent thunder]

You kinda can, not even that hard I think

[dark turret]

if they can't make me an 4k image of an ethereal monstrosity, I'm not sure I care

[past jay]

It's possible since I think Marc Laidlaw released a synopsis of the plot of Episode 3, just with modifications to the characters of course lol.

[opal hedge]

"Gordon Freeman, massive boobs, by greg rutkowski"

[fervent thunder]

[fervent thunder]

You generate the assets one by one. 2D assets, and 3D assets. Have another AI write the story. Have another AI generate the animations.

[sweet token]

I wonder how good would the ai would handle this prompt genuinely

[past jay]

https://web.archive.org/web/20170826001705/http://www.marclaidlaw.com/epistle-3/

[fervent thunder]

There is a ton of work for using AI to generate various video game assets, generate good motion capture, even better graphics, etc.

[past jay]

We already have the story (kinda). You'd just need to write the script up.

[sweet token]

Valve avoid Half life 3 like the plague because of extreme high expectations

[fervent thunder]

NVIDIA has a tool for automatically upscaling game assets to be mega high res.

[quartz night]

when do we try stable diffusion v3?

[past jay]

Yeah, the employees there are allowed to work on whatever they want.

And I can imagine living up to the expectations would be very daunting.

Especially as the release was further and further out lol.

[fierce musk]

Not all the people are..
just the majority of em 😄
unfortunately, that's more than enough in most of the lands

[sweet token]

[cyan sorrel]

Morning from southeast asia

[past jay]

Oh god I stayed up all night again.

[fierce musk]

evening from Central Europe.

[cyan sorrel]

Hey mr fox, there is someone want me to finish job with stable AI before its getting commercial

[sweet token]

Night from the middle east

[cyan sorrel]

I though you are from north, sorry for bad judgement

[fervent thunder]

Philippines?

[cyan sorrel]

Seems like you old friends from USA

[fervent thunder]

wittle baby, I regularly go more than a week without sleeping

[past jay]

That's not good.

[fierce musk]

nah , PL is located in the exact center of Europe

[sweet token]

That very not good

[past jay]

Isn't it hallucinations post 3-4 days of sleep.

[fervent thunder]

Yes, I lived in Cebu for a bunch of months

[fervent thunder]

yes, sometimes, especially if I take my 14000mg of THC gummies

[past jay]

Why even bother with Stable Diffusion, just hallucinate shit instead.

[sweet token]

I was in the army, and we sometimes go without sleep for weeks, but it really messes you up

[cyan sorrel]

You reminds me of Sniper Netcafe at 2004

[past jay]

Ah yeah, the army is a rough environment.

[fervent thunder]

Pretty sure the center of Europe has a building that has a black sun image in its center

[opal hedge]

Stable Dream when?

[sweet token]

Especially the Iraqi army

[past jay]

I'm not sure it's a good idea to keep your army awake for extensively long periods of time. Humans need sleep.

[cyan sorrel]

Anyone here interested for contest?

[fervent thunder]

Because it's very hard to control the hallucinations of the human brain.

Actually hallucinating irl + using Stable Diffusion is where it's at!

[sweet token]

Bro we used to be beaten before evey night so I got used to it

[past jay]

This might explain the morale issue during a certain invasion.

[fervent thunder]

World War 2 happened on a lot of meth : )

[cyan sorrel]

Do you know what hallucinate really means? Already checked for oxford?

[fervent thunder]

what do you mean? what's your point?

[sweet token]

Surprisingly only the republican guard used meth back in the day and not the army

[cyan sorrel]

Thats a chinese proverbs

You was controlled by china

[fervent thunder]

I'm controlled by the NHK

Nippon Hikikomori Kyokai
the Japanese Hikikomori Association

[cyan sorrel]

Do you understand cinematography?

[sweet token]

What is K talking about?

[chrome barn]

Can't wait for SD 3

Looks super good rn

[past jay]

Cinematography, apparently.

[fervent thunder]

idk

[cyan sorrel]

I am talking about artificially manipulated outputting hallucinate, thats chinese proverbs. They are the makers including Japan & Korean

[opal hedge]

I feel like I'm reading adlibs

[sweet token]

Do you know what server your in?, this isn't a server for sharing riddles

[fervent thunder]

I'm not sure what you're referring to

How can I find more information about that?

[shut osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/let-me-in-eric-andre-wanna-come-in-gif-13730108

https://tenor.com/view/cat-atten-let-me-out-let-me-in-gif-25184244

[fervent thunder]

Are you talking about monks manipulating their own brains in order to hallucinate?
Or are you talking about state(governmental) brainwashing?

[cyan sorrel]

But mr.fox was true. It just about cinematography, AI helps them

[fervent thunder]

[cyan sorrel]

Inception movie was the best cinematography film before Generative AI was built

[fierce musk]

since 1945 that's no longer the case.

[fervent thunder]

Times change, never know

[cyan sorrel]

You must see what was upper level was done, and now i thinking about underground

We cannot leave back them because its all about stability. Its called urban paradox

Marginality and outliers

There are two types of outliers

[opal hedge]

Alright, calm down there Confucius

[cyan sorrel]

If you ever facing school, when the final score reported, when there are outliers, the outliers will see they scores it upped or maybe downed. Do you ever faced that?

Cannot be the bestness or cannot be worstness

[fierce musk]

Yeah, the black sun has become very black recently , so I'd rather opt for calling that fairyland a center of New Africa or New Middle East. And I wish them all the best, times are hard these days ..

[cyan sorrel]

I want to iniate contest to outcome equilibrium prize

[nimble matrix]

Will SD3 have support for LoRAs and Controlnet out of the box?

like SDXL

[cyan sorrel]

I think its SD1 not 3

Anyone here knows RaRe network?

[fervent thunder]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9NlSZVtpcE

Black hole sun, won't you come
And wash away the rain?

Stuttering, cold and damp
Steal the warm wind, tired friend
Times are gone for honest men
And sometimes far too long for snakes

[cyan sorrel]

Can i send images?

[fervent thunder]

Only if you're a God like me.

[cyan sorrel]

How many you've God?

[fervent thunder]

137.042

[cyan sorrel]

Crypto?

[fervent thunder]

WorldCoin

Scan your anal cavity for Papa Altman

[cyan sorrel]

Too few if its said world

Crypt never be the world never be currencies. It just like the story of pirates search for treasures

[gray wyvern]

https:// x.com/EMostaque/status/1760725050095747249?s=20 oh that looks promising !!

[fervent thunder]

Crypto is in fact dead.

All money is dead.

Last year, OpenAI [in a collaboration with the US intelligence community] has developed AI that has cracked cryptography. It's called Q*/Qualia.

Additionally, OpenAI [and others] can make trillions from predicting the stock market.

But they won't because it would crash our civilization. The civilization is still a good thing to have. Because they'll just keep developing Superintelligence. When ASI is develpoped, that's when it's time to crash the world.

[inland ether]

Where can I see stable diffusion 3 generated images

[inland pivot]

https://stability.ai/news/stable-diffusion-3 here lol

hoping to test it soon....

[inland ether]

Yeah I need more

[inland pivot]

thought so we all want more of it

[cyan sorrel]

Crypt is vault. Not all dead in bunkers

[inland pivot]

I join here, hoping to get more news soon... 😉

[median crystal]

does anyone know how many tries before this example image was made?

[nocturne pewter]

https://youtu.be/UvZKTn_De-8?si=3QKsqw7uTeFKTZY6

[median crystal]

from SD 3.0

[fervent thunder]

OpenAI has a blog post that is very old. It talks about the fact that OpenAI was already using an AGI detector; even many years back. For example, the AGI detector automatically scans if there is a crazy winner on the stock market (because this is an indicator for that group having AGI).

[inland pivot]

I was thinking to test their prompt on some sdxl model to see if we can get near ...

[fervent thunder]

Are you using a translator? It's a little hard to understand your English sometimes.

[cyan sorrel]

Very idiomatic, but if you know the truth, its really miner manner

It digging

If you know economic bubbles happened in Japan 1991

[fervent thunder]

Muse - Time Is Running Out

[plush knot]

SD3 channels?

[cyan sorrel]

If you have consciousness about that you wont be rich person, because in that time all japanese are billionaire

They already known when just only one country is too rich

So, there are so many statement from Old Japanese dont want to be rich person

Stability is need

1991 the money become soap. So thats called economic bubble

Nowadays called burn money

So crypto and blockchain comes as a disappointment of currencies system

[radiant bronze]

Is SD3 going to be released under the same license as the others?

[cyan sorrel]

But nobody really understand about why need to crypt

Important Considerations

"Richness" is relative: Even in a rich country, there would still likely be varying degrees of wealth. The key is eliminating desperate poverty.
Human Nature: Conflict, ambition, and the desire for status are inherent human traits. A society without poverty wouldn't eliminate all social issues.
Global Context: A single wealthy nation in a world with poverty raises ethical and geopolitical questions about responsibility and interconnectedness.
Let me know if you'd like to explore any of these scenarios in more depth or consider additional factors!

[rigid harbor]

bruh i'm beginning to have same feelings i had when sdxl debuted and i stopped saving sd1.5 cause i wanteed to preserve sstorage space for sdxl. i'm beginning to look down abit on sdxl, just a tiny bit 😩😭😭. but i mean why even save anything now

[opal hedge]

So one day you can look back at yourself (3 months from now) and realize how primitive your software was

[rigid harbor]

bruh when i look back at my sd1.5 pics oh laud i feel like crying for my dumbass i used those gaslight myself to ridiculous thinking they were the shit 😩😭😭😭

[opal hedge]

"The fap material of yesterday is the junk of tomorrow." - Stable Confucius

[tranquil delta]

Did they accurately CAPTION image datasets for SD3? Otherwise same garbage in garbage out

[peak wolf]

Anyone know enough about flow control to say if they could get positional alignment correct without good captioning?

[rigid harbor]

yooooo i gotta screenshot this gem 😭😂😂😂

[final holly]

Rather good timing for this announcement with the Gemini image thing going on at the same time. 🙂

Really looking forward to trying SD3. Making me think of early days of SD.

[honest brook]

man this looks amazing. does anyone know what the hardware requirements are gonna be like?

[fervent thunder]

5090 SLI

[honest brook]

lol. damn i have a hard enough time just trying to find a build for a dual 3090 with nvlink lol

[fervent thunder]

20GB VRAM (?) requirement

but there will be different sizes of the model

plus people will improve upon it

[honest brook]

yea i imagine we’ll see tons of custom fine tuned models and lora’s on civit.ai

[rigid harbor]

bruh with what people did with sdxl, sd3 finetunes are gonna be insane. i always imagined in my wet dreams of finetuned dalle3 now my wet dreams about to come to life...i just hope its not a memory sucking vampire like sdxl that took alot of compute times

[charred mesa]

point being, will SD3 have nipples on males

we have to know, for science

[white mountain]

It will come in both SD1 and SDXL sizes

[potent stratus]

SD3 want want want

[opal hedge]

Hopefully Nvidia releases household graphic cards with a humane amount of Vram

[nocturne pewter]

There was a news about NVidia pushing very good financially. They know how to save with the vram lol

[opal hedge]

AMD will save us

Copium

[potent stratus]

tempted to buy a 4090 but will need to see how difficult it is to fine tune first 😋

[cedar salmon]

they should make a base card with pluginable addon memory

if it were only that easy

[cosmic mason]

me too ^^

[nocturne pewter]

How the finetuning is done? I recently got 3090 and curious to know if I could squeeze more speed out of it.

[potent stratus]

Well I actually do my finetunes using a paid service called RunPod which spins up a virtual machine over the internet. But the cost is relatively cheap. So for me with SD3 it would be how fine-tunable is it and how much does it cost.

[lean badge]

omg sd3

[potent stratus]

The 4090 at home would just be for me to do inference 😋

[cosmic mason]

I try to finetune on my 3090 but run out of memory, then I rent a A6000

[fervent thunder]

is there any vague even eta for 3 release?

[lean badge]

id say around 1 month, they are pretty fast with this stuff

but pure speculation

[fervent thunder]

i hope you are right. it sounds promising but so did they xl and 2.0 and both were duds imo

[foggy halo]

I want sd3 🥲

im amazed by prompt adherence

[fervent thunder]

what the fuck is happening

gmail is shutting down??

huh?

[topaz sonnet]

at this moment everyone wants lol

[foggy halo]

OMG i just checked ig it fake

[trail lion]

april fools is still more than a month away

[fervent thunder]

are there any more images from it or just on the announce page? they are ok but not really mind blowing imo

[foggy halo]

lmao yes

[nova pilot]

not sure if this is a tech support or general chat catagory.. Can I run any stable diffusion model without a UI? like can I just do something on a cmd?

[fervent thunder]

ask in both places i guess haha

[nova pilot]

haha. well alright then

[static cape]

I fear it might be even more - which would mean that not even the highend "normal" users could try it until it gets an 8 or 4-bit version or something like that.

[fervent thunder]

how much is in a 4090?

[fervent thunder]

damn I got scared

[fervent thunder]

24GB

but remember that your PC also uses a bunch of VRAM auxillary

[nova pilot]

if you gotta ask you cant afford lol

[nova pilot]

something like $2,000 USD last I knew

Random question, is SD still like searching the internet for images? or is it like actually making stuff up from scratch?

its been a year since I messed with this stuff

[lone hawk]

what if SD3 is just early april fools joke? xD

[fervent thunder]

i mean how much vram but thanks for being a jerk

[full lark]

I hope they do that 😭

[nova pilot]

OH LOL

its like 20 or 24GB

[full lark]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-smacking-other-cat-cat-cat-smack-cat-swat-gif-10347810988835752163

[nova pilot]

i totally misread. my bad man

[fervent thunder]

Then what does that make Sora?

[full lark]

Oof gifs dont play here

[fervent thunder]

there are channels for that

[full lark]

I wonder how much vram SORA needs to run

[nocturne pewter]

Aaaa, ok. So you mean finetuning a checkpoint, gotcha. I thought you mean to finetune the gpu, like core clocks, mem voltages etc

[fervent thunder]

More than the number of cells in your body

[full lark]

🤣

[fervent thunder]

probably like 5 a100s haha. they say to generate a one minute video for openai they can go out for a burrito and it will be done when they come back

so i dont think we be able to run it on any pc soon

and if you notice, most video they release are not even 1 minute because it take so long to generate. the woman who is walking is one that is a minute but not many others

[balmy vine]

what's the difference between cascade and sd3?

[lone hawk]

prompt adherence

also SD3 is using the same tech as Sora

[nova pilot]

whats Sora?

nvm i found it

[haughty patio]

so we almost at cap for non-professionals dudes in large models local training for image/video ?
damm its sad

[fierce musk]

bruh, do early member or beta member roles mean anything these days? Can beta testers just go and try 3.0 in some bot channel or that's impossible?

[teal osprey]

i see lots of prompts with < > and "lora" text inside with numbers. what do they mean?

[haughty patio]

can someone explain me in 2-3 sentences why AMD can't into model training?
its like always about amd drivers problems?

or training tools not support AMD?

[fierce musk]

rocm sux, that's why

[nova pilot]

🫨

[fierce musk]

and it's supported by the few gpus

[primal star]

AMD GPUs lack native support for CUDA, limiting their appeal to developers accustomed to writing code for CUDA and requiring those developers to either switch to AMD's own ROCm stack or continue developing for NVIDIA GPUs.

[nova pilot]

didnt they just make a rocm thing that works with cuda?

[primal star]

they did yes

it's called ZLUDA

[fierce musk]

and AMD github support sux even more, they don't care about issues or PRs, some issues are few years old.

[nova pilot]

I love AMD, but man they have some stupid things they need to fix

[fierce musk]

perhaps NV pays them to drop the ball on Ai, that's the only option I can imagine

[primal star]

well the CEOs are sorta related

[fierce musk]

for otherwise why would amd suck so much

the big money is there and their hardware is powerful

and big vram

[primal star]

I've kinda given up on AMD, intel would be the next challenger imo

battlemage drops at the end of this year

[nova pilot]

yeah you know microsoft is itching to put that in xbox series whatever

i dont see it being as performant as AMD though.. they are kind of REALLY good at low power draw for the CPUs performance

[primal star]

intel drivers are improving dramatically every few months

microsoft's xbox strategy is weird, hard to say what they will do except the clear focus on cloud

[nova pilot]

microsoft is weird

ill keep taking their dividends though...

[primal star]

not as weird as google though, gemini is so botched with image gens that they had to stop it

[nova pilot]

LOL yeah i just read how it wouldnt create images of white people LOL

[primal star]

try asking for vanilla

[nova pilot]

but make the most ridiculous images of a black family lol

[primal star]

u'll get chocolate

overfitted to the extreme

[nova pilot]

google really makes me want a pixel phone.. but i keep reading stupid crap about their bugs. which im not sure if samsung has on their phones...

[haughty patio]

How do you see training on home equipment in the future, what can be counted on and what not, what will be the main improvement factor in next 6/12 months

• optimization of models/libraries ?
• Nvidia will release cards that will drastically increase performance for training ?
• breakthrough in training on multi-threaded CPUs ?

[nova pilot]

again. google is also weird

[primal star]

id pick samsung or asus over the google HW

I got one of each

[nova pilot]

i'm waiting to see how RCS support rolls out on iOS before I make the jump

[fervent thunder]

Sora is your goddess deity.

[nova pilot]

meh... doubt it haha

[fervent thunder]

You'll see Her open her wings wide... soon. The Third Impact is just months away. Then She reaches for the Moon.

[nova pilot]

what in the stable diffusion are you talking about lol

[fervent thunder]

The future of the human race.

[nova pilot]

that would be Wall*E

they already made that documentary

[fervent thunder]

[full lark]

Idk why they do that, even dalle3 did something similar some months ago

Wait, looks like the director or something like that behind Gemini is a racist against white people

💀 💀 💀 No wonder why this happened

[rough sail]

Gemini is proof that censorship is better off avoided TBH.

[nova pilot]

but what about all of the snowflakes?

LOL

[lone hawk]

gemini is the victim here heh

[rough sail]

I hope @wise stratus learns from Google's mistake and releases a SD 1.5-grade SD3.

[full lark]

LMAO

[full lark]

True, any kind of censorship is bad and results in things like this

[fierce musk]

breakthrough in training on multi-threaded CPUs ?
I wouldnt count on it any time soon, unfortunately. Unless it's Saphire Rapids sorta stuff
optimization of models/libraries?
hopefully new architectures, quadratic mem consumption in transformers/diffusers sux big time, bruh.
Nvidia will release cards that will drastically increase performance for training ?
maybe, but these will be drastically more expensive. NV don't want you to train fast, cheap and efficient. If that was the case, the current MFU for the most hyped stuff would be 90% instead of 30%. That's less than a Stirling engine charger made of a beer can and a candle, for $30k a piece.

[rough sail]

If not, then we'll have to go to NovelAI instead.

[full lark]

Same with LLMs, chatgpt for example could mention "good things" about some left-wing dictatorships in Latin America, but refused to say the same about some right-wing presidents who have been democratically elected (at least I tried asking it like 5 times some months ago and the results were the same)

[stuck sun]

nvidia can make a 16GB vram card for 450 bucks but 24GB vram costs 2000 bucks, they cant put in more vram because its too "expensive"

they cant put another 16GB onto the 24GB card for another 450 bucks because vram is too "expensive"

they need to charge 8000 bucks now for cards like that, the cost of vram is very high!

[full lark]

AMD should make a 32gb VRAM for under 1500$ so Nvidia stop sleeping

That wont happen tho :c

[haughty patio]

meybe there would be cloud gpu price wars ;D ehh who am I kidding lol

[stuck sun]

i think tho, now that mining has kinda gone away and that didnt need much vram, and AI does, they are going to have to address this in upcoming GPUs, finally, hopefully.

its also super important to get rid of blower card designs and nvlink from consumer cards, you need to spend 8000 bucks on cards like that now, even though you didnt before, its not because its undercutting their very expensive cards, nvlink and blower designs are very expensive! Now!

[fierce musk]

that vram would magically become "inexpensive" if somebody leaked their rsa keys for vbios, so we could drop our own shit there and solder additional 24G vram for cheap.

[nova pilot]

thats just a matter of time really

they make 24GB for $999

[stuck sun]

i'm sure they'd release drivers that recognize the chip and disable that or something lame

[fierce musk]

then we'd release nouveau hacked drivers just like ppl used to do back in the day when crypto mining was a big deal.

[opal hedge]

If amd released a gpu with 40GB Vram at a reasonable price (~1500$) I'd switch and never og back

[stuck sun]

then it won't work with new features in redshift or vray or whatever else you are using

only useful if you are using it to do one thing

[fierce musk]

maybe

[full lark]

Well,imo it would work good for training/using AIs (i think)

[stuck sun]

you already get issues where AE breaks if uou use the driver recommended for VRAY or redshift etc, they all work best with different ones

vray spefically does NOT recommend ever using the latest drivers

[fierce musk]

but if you can drop your own firmware into the chip, in many cases you can emulate the hw that is already legit, like A5000 or A6000.

same architecture as consumer gpus after all

[stuck sun]

its also not really any faster, just uses less power, has more ram and can pool the ram. Maybe data bandwidth is a bit faster.

[nova pilot]

you can always get this...

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1765536-REG/amd_100_300000074_radeon_pro_w7900_graphic.html

[sterile torrent]

someone tested new sdxl Lightning with cfg 1-2 and steps 2-8?

[fierce musk]

that's the whole point , the only thing you need in Ai is essentially VRAM, a huuuge amount. for other tasks 16GB is more than enough.

[stuck sun]

testing the dreamshaperXL version that has it embedded

[full lark]

When do you think 32-48gb of vram would be the standart for low end - mid end GPUs? Maybe 10 years? 😿

[fierce musk]

well, you know, technically speaking you can buy 12 channel mobo....

and use DDR instead

[pseudo jetty]

Im trying to use regional prompter and in the known issues section it says i need to modify the code of gradio.components.Image.preprocess, however i cannot find this file? does anyone know the location

[pine fiber]

who can say

perhaps next next gen

so like 2-4 years

[stuck sun]

5090 will prob have 32GB vram, you heard it hear last

[keen relic]

Did anyone got approved for testing SD3 or is everyone still on the waitlist as far as we know?

[potent spire]

Or 24

One of the rumors is that it will remain at 24 gigs

[potent spire]

Yeah, eventually

[keen relic]

At this point, I am more tempted on renting cloud processors on google cloud. I certainly won't use SD more than 3-4h a week (it's just a hobby for me), so even renting an A100 is less expensive than buying a computer for that around a 4090 (that might become obsolete if 5090 comes out with 48 GB... [dreaming])

[potent spire]

I dont believe it will be 48gb, maybe not even 32

[pale latch]

doubt. Having the encryption key doesn't "magically" make the home brew community good engineers. Drivers and firmware still have to operate together. That's a lot of low level software engineering.

[pale latch]

i think eventually, cisc processors will have support for all these processes and we'll just use ddr5 or ddr6

128gb ? yes please

[stuck sun]

the gpu tiers reminds me of the ye olden days of 486 processors where the version with the math coprocessor was more expensive to buy, but it was actually cheaper to make because the cheaper (to buy) version had to undergo an additional manufacturing process to have it disabled, making it more expensive to manufacture. A sales/marketing decision.

[pale latch]

math coprocessors were hot

then intel made mmx tech, which did color math

woah

[keen relic]

ah the good old days

I remember being amazed as a child when I saw a VGA game for the first time...

[pale latch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1Rz2A5mxk8

[pale latch]

sierra games

[stuck sun]

gpus should start with 64GB vram. Its such bullshit. There's no reason not to do this any more. People need vram. Mining is dead. The excuse to not do this is done and gone.

[potent spire]

Lets see when 5090 will even be released, rumors say by the mid 2025

[crude oak]

NVIDIA wants to protect their sever grade chips so they won’t give consumers grade cards high VRAM

[pale latch]

theres still a huge market for current cards. they'll plan a release date when sales curve off

[potent spire]

64?! 16 GB is overkill for majority of people already xD

[pale latch]

its not like amd is catching up to them

[keen relic]

I've read competing rumors : late 2024 OR delay to 2025 but with a 4090 super or ti version in-between

[stuck sun]

yes thats what i'm saying.

[potent spire]

Yeah

[potent spire]

Because consumers dont need them

[stuck sun]

games would use it if it was available.

[potent spire]

And they wont make exception for the one or other freak

[pale latch]

doesn't avx-512 or avx2 or whatever the big new instruction set is, doesn't it have ML acceleration in it?

[crude oak]

Their profit is mostly from server now@@ doesn’t look like we gonna get high vram cards anytime soon

[potent spire]

They can barely even come close to 32 tho

[keen relic]

Is AMD with Zluda a competitor right now? Or are they still far behind?

[crude oak]

Does anyone know what’s the requirement VRAM on the new Stable Diffusion 3?

[potent spire]

Ysah but as said none consumer needs those

[keen relic]

no, but they have different models ranging from 800M to 8b parameters, so the higher models will probably need 20+ GB VRAM.

at least initially

[potent spire]

Allegedly there is a 3D mesh AI generator that wont work properly unless you have...40(!) GB of VRAM

[fervent thunder]

Don't you guys think the Green Goblin was great in American Psycho?

[pale latch]

https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/x86/avx512_vnni this stuff. the vnni instructions. is there hopes and dreams there?

[crude oak]

Maybe we will have quantized or offloading like cascade thing making it need less VRAM 🥲

[potent spire]

Until i get my beast PC SD as well as competitors will release more advanced stuff

[pale latch]

myth. Game developers largely target consoles. Star Citizen is the only high end pc project that's trying to use everything pcs can do, really.

what now? 14 years in dev?

lost track

[potent spire]

Its not feasible

To go for the extreme

[stuck sun]

way more pc gamers than console gamers

[potent spire]

Wrong

[pale latch]

what would games even do with 64gb of vram?

[potent spire]

PC gaming is a niche

[pale latch]

thats so incorrect

[potent spire]

Behind consoles

[pale latch]

there's more PCs than consoles sure

[crude oak]

Maybe if the next gen console gets higher VRAM like 16g then we might get a bump on mid range PC Card

[potent spire]

Statistically PS and XBOX have more gamers than PC

[stuck sun]

just googling this, happy to be proven wrong, "PC and console, meanwhile, were at $45 billion and $30 billion, respectively— and data available in charts at the source reveals PC revenues outstripping consoles since 2013."

"Is PC or console more popular 2023?
Together, PC and console games will generate revenues of $95.2 billion in 2023—or, 51% of the entire games market. These revenues will be driven by 892 million players on PC and 629 million on console.Aug 31, 2023"

[pale latch]

higher profits in that arena too by a wide wiiiide margin. and we're not even considering mobile gamers. the true giant market

[potent spire]

Dunno about profits, but agree for the rest

[crude oak]

Pc gamers are generally worse customers, we hack pirate and complains more and pay less, compare to console and mobile 🥲

[stuck sun]

i think you guys should all be apologising to me for your factually incorrect statements and saying "sorry mr fabricated girls you were so right, and good looking"

[pale latch]

PC gaming, a hefty amoutn of the profits is roblox

minecraft is one of the most succesful pc games of all time

[potent spire]

PC still masterrace ofc

[pale latch]

i only have a switch so that i can feel better about playing the roms on my deck

[crude oak]

But I guess it earns less money then Ganshin impact 🤔

Love Minecraft

[pale latch]

another big part of the pc market is whales. WHAAALES. so many whales. what is even going on with tf2 hats and cs2 knives?

[potent spire]

Anyway, most people dont need more than even 8 gigs of VRAM

[crude oak]

Ahh the CS gambling ring

[potent spire]

16 is pretty much the standard

[cloud igloo]

Groq consumer cards couldn't come any sooner i swear

[crude oak]

Pretty sure that is designed only for server exclusively, it can’t do any game stuff

[cloud igloo]

Yea I mean for AI usage of course.

[potent spire]

But those arent consumer cards

[cloud igloo]

Thats why i said they couldn't come any sooner
If they did exist, it would be very nice

[potent spire]

They introduce AI into consumer grade cards and CPU but thats not like H100 and others

None consumer would even take advantage of those

The one freak that does isnt enough for them to even try it

[stuck sun]

is there any data on numbers of gpu users broken down by usage, games, AI, 3d rendering, editing, photography, excel users, mining etc etc

[pale latch]

groq is what? elon's endeavor? it'll flop. he's got those chips in teslas too, but the front end is so pissy for people. it's all locked behind SAAS too

he went hard on trusted computing to prevent people from hacking them

[wary magnet]

Anyone here who has experience with sending files to the instance from google drive on vast.ai? I am a newb to this and I have no idea how to do it.

[pale latch]

basically vaporware as a consumer product

and when they do come, it'll be the X premium he loves to charge for. His satellite internet that was supposed to democratize internet access, has ridiculously high fees and isn't even that great

[stuck sun]

Elons been talking about a partnership between X and midjourney

[pale latch]

meh

[potent spire]

SD3 looks good gotta say, also Emad mentions collaboration, composition and more

[stuck sun]

Midjourney is definitely far, far ahead of any SD model at this point

[potent spire]

judging by text to image purely?

[stuck sun]

yeah obviously controlnet and custom training allows you to do things that midjourney cant but very few people know these tools well enough to get results as good as MJ can do by default

basically all the artists and photographers and filmmakers and designers are using MJ and all the engineers and furries and gooners are using SD, with some overlap.

[potent spire]

true, its to be said people might also use more than one product

one can also argue competitors like Dall E and Adobe Firefly win easily by some standards as well

[pale latch]

https://habana.ai/products/gaudi/ intel has this hardware in play now but it's enterprise not consumer

[potent spire]

especially in the future

[pale latch]

amazon and microsoft are building their own ai accelerators too

and jim keller has his company with the greyskull hardware. expecting a next generation of that gear soon

[boreal flame]

They going hard idd

[potent spire]

Gaudi, Würstchen. Man those names

[stuck sun]

like more or less every filmmaker i know, and i know quite a few, uses midjourney now to do their pitch decks, storyboards, all that stuff now. Exactly none of them use SD. Big commercial cinematographer friend who does endless huge car ads, these ads are now recreating midjourney storyboards/style frames in real life. Every agency uses MJ. Every film production company. Its taken root. None of these people give one fuck about Dall E and maybe some have tried firefly but the vast majority just use MJ. Its easy and gives the best results in these fields.

[trim magnet]

got any proof?

[pale latch]

doesn't even give a price for the 256gb gddr6 card https://tenstorrent.com/cards/

[stuck sun]

proof of what

[trim magnet]

well i know personally steven spielberg and he uses SD

[pale latch]

sucks to be them. that's a quantifiable bill they're paying ot MJ for that. Seems like buying an apple cinema display just for flex power. something i know a lot of that field does from personal experience

[cyan sorrel]

Anyone here open for southeast asian language?

[stuck sun]

why, its like 40 bucks a month or whateverm its nothing.

[pale latch]

Prestige Worldwide

[potent spire]

i dont know any filmmaking company that uses MJ or gen AI as a standard part of the workflow

[pale latch]

$40 per user per month

[stuck sun]

literally nothing

[cyan sorrel]

Thats cinematographer work

[trim magnet]

didnt know studios paid for a personal single user license

[nova zodiac]

if it saves them half an hour, it has paid for itself...

[stuck sun]

excactly

[trim magnet]

must be one of those studios run by a single guy

BS studios associated

[pale latch]

they get sued out the butthole if they try to pay for anything less than their head count

[cyan sorrel]

You must think about inflation. Reduce cost, reduce inflation

[stuck sun]

STEVEN SEAGAL GAMING thinks I'm a liar for some reason, just because i'm using a fake name here for my stupid porn twitter account i made as a joke

[potent spire]

MJ isnt nearly as much adopted as it sounds

[pale latch]

if they're giving that access to 5 people, they need to pay for 5 licenses lol. Some business dudes need to talk to qualified financial and legal help

[potent spire]

but definitelly more than SD

[trim magnet]

its true i was there i can confirm

[cyan sorrel]

You must think about cheaper by the dozen. High price is just barriers from minority level of high profile

[nova zodiac]

I don't think that it is entirely MJ, the truth must be somewhere in the middle, as I have had a couple of companies using ICBINP in their workflows ask me about things, so I can confirm it definitely isn't 100% MJ

[cyan sorrel]

You must think how to make everything affordable like manufactured, be exclusive in your own part just for equilibrium of the world not for egocentric

[pale latch]

why do you get to decide why he thinks you're fibbing?

maybe he saw a tell

[nova zodiac]

I'm so confused right now 😛

[pale latch]

oh shit. he confirmed. mb

[cyan sorrel]

Stable diffusion

[pale latch]

Stable Diffusion is a lie!

nobody even pays for it like its not even popular

[cyan sorrel]

Yeah, it just a model not reality, to avoid trial and error

[stuck sun]

not saying 100%, just that it has a stronghold in specific areas

[potent spire]

And those licenses are NOT standard consumer licenses

[stuck sun]

whats the "tell"

[pale latch]

i think they allow any subscription as long as you dont make a milly a year

[pale latch]

if you know someone's tell, don't tell them what it is 😉

[potent spire]

Which would eventually mean only certain companies use MJ in the first place

[cyan sorrel]

This is trust issues

[pale latch]

you gotta know when to hold em

[cloud igloo]

Groq =/= Grok, they manufactor AI specific chips https://groqerc.com/.

[pale latch]

thanks!

[potent spire]

Midjourney isnt even the company that targets the companies

Its a certain other company

[stuck sun]

why do you think i'm lying and what do you think i'm lying about?

[pale latch]

https://groqerc.com/#token its a block chain startup, so disappointing

[cyan sorrel]

Bloodlines, and closed relationship. Interchange is the solutions for another trees

[trim magnet]

u not lying i just said it was true,im steven seagal and i can confirm im the creator of the furry model along with steven spielberg

[pale latch]

knowww when to folddem

[cyan sorrel]

Lets seeding many trees

Interchange

[pale latch]

know when to walk awayy

[glass fox]

hey guys, pleasure to be here, someone knows if stable chat has a public api?

[cyan sorrel]

Do you like icecream?

[cyan sorrel]

Dall e was closed

[pale latch]

Better not count cho money when youre still sitttin at the table

[cyan sorrel]

Chinese proverb

I just selling e-ticket

[pale latch]

There'll be time enough for countin when...

[pale latch]

the dealins done

[cyan sorrel]

2 months later

[stuck sun]

not sure i follow this

[cyan sorrel]

I just need 100$/months to enabler my research using gemini AI, cloudshell, vertex, making landing page for CTA, then planning to community interchange by generative AI filmmaking contest. Anyone want supports me? This is urban issues

I am thinking about outliers to stabilize and stay underground

[trim magnet]

always a pleasure to meet real fans

[nova zodiac]

cant be good to be a therapist, but psychiatrist is hard to say/spell, and shrink just has connotations

[stuck sun]

"Theres no need to start with concern trolling"

[pale latch]

what else would you call it

[stuck sun]

what else would you call what you just did

[pale latch]

actual concern about faux witch hunts. elaborately explained

[stuck sun]

this is concern trolling

Gonna pass on taking disengenuous moral advice from you, thx

Evanesco!

[nova zodiac]

can we all just agree humans are fallable and they all suck (myself included) and move on?

[charred wigeon]

yes, we all suck

[stuck sun]

i suck the most so i win

[trail lion]

a fictional character that gives disingenuous moral advice as a super power, tell me that's not a great idea for a South Park character

[pale latch]

i ceratinly am pretty sucky at times

[charred wigeon]

just all be friendly to each other, we all sitting in the same boat

[pale latch]

that was basically the wokeverse episode

[stuck sun]

Spoofed in the episode "Ike's Wee-Wee", when both sides agree about Mr. Mackey drinking a beer.
Devil: Go ahead. Drink the beer. It'll calm you down.
Angel: Yeah. Why the hell not? It's just a beer. Don't be such a p*ssy, m'kay?

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/GoodAngelBadAngel/WesternAnimation

[pale latch]

plus, all of cartman in every episode he's in. central trope of his persona

[wise bear]

The moral philosophy pertaining to allegations is essentially that even the means to bring up the topic of dismissing our disgust over allegations prior to evidence, is immediately an unpopular position to hold.

Disgust ultimately is the the prime fallacy of human cognition. It can guide us towards condemning innocent people, all the way to following genocidal beliefs.

I think the world would be significantly better if we used rationality over our intuitive feeling of disgust towards anything we are unfamiliar with, or think is self-evidently "evil".

[pale latch]

i think "stay in your lane" needs to be a societal mantra lol

[balmy rune]

If SD3 is as much of an improvement as SC was to SDXL then we're in for a damn treat. Stable Cascade is (subjectively) superiour to DALL-E 3. At least he bing version!
#🏞｜general-with-images message

[primal star]

Problem is that platforms like discord has power concentration in the hands of mods who will enforce their own philosophy which can disregard justice

[untold reef]

Has anyone been approved from the waitlist yet?

[pale latch]

old school ways of doing chatrooms had mods too. back when it wasn't all centraled

[balmy rune]

my inbox is as empty as ever! :(

[wise bear]

Chances are not for a few more days, as even content creators on YouTube are scheduled for a few days.

[shadow inlet]

How well will SD3 play with all the models out there? I have to have 30 downloaded, bunches of loras ECT...

[untold reef]

I think I put the wrong email into my waitlist application

[pale latch]

entirely new architecture and its a transformer based model

gonna need to retrain erything

[shadow inlet]

Holy moly

[wise bear]

Depends on your application, if you want beautiful abstract or non-specific art/photography, you don't need SD3

[balmy rune]

Retraining for everything

it'll take a good bit before we get finetunes, too

[primal star]

Loras should be fine according to what I read from lykon earlier

[shadow inlet]

I wonder about stuff like deform... On my main box I have a highly tweaked out automatic1111 install. Looks like gonna have both eh

Well.... I'm 45 years old. Been in to tech for a long time now but really... This all is the most excited I been about tech in a long time. Everything is moving at such a fast clip.

It's pretty awesome

[pale latch]

loras can be trained for it, but sd15 loras and sdxl won't work. not until theres an xadapter trained for sd3 maybe

[wise bear]

Exponentials are even being miscalculated by experts, there's a consistent trend among predictions by experts for things like AGI, if the pace of inconsistency continues as it is, things like AGI may within two years from 2024.

[sharp warren]

Anybody tried training Loras for Stable Cascade yet? I’m trying to do an anime character Lora, and while it’s picking up the anime style fine, I just can’t get images that look like the character I want.

[wise bear]

Experts are in a field that has a certain curve that can feel linear, but as an exponential moves up the hockey stick on its strong bend, these experts end up being the least informative.

[nova zodiac]

oneTrainer said their system can now make loras for cascade, but none of the interfaces (comfy, a1111) are able to use them yet

[sharp warren]

I’m wondering if I need to increase dim/alpha beyond what I used for SDXL.

[shadow inlet]

I just installed onetrainer, no nothing about it. Gonna dig in to it tonight after work.

[nova zodiac]

I'm not gonna bother with Cascade.. too much hassle to go into an architecture that is going to be outdone within 3 months

[sharp warren]

Kohya supports cascade Lora training, but you have to do it in command line, and I had to mess with the scripts some to make it work.

[wise bear]

The specificality of image diffusive models is a revolution in text to image prompting. Although, I think for fine-tuners, the problem is that SD3 from what I have seen may have multimodal features. Seems a little weird for that to be the case, I think that may be misinformation though. However, it isn't unreasonable for video multimodularity.

[nova zodiac]

no, that was mentioned in the press release

[sharp warren]

Yeah, now that SD3 has been announced, I’m thinking it may not even be worth messing much with Cascade.

[wise bear]

Thanks for that information, it's certainly a twist for audio integration.

I figured that because it has some work based on what Sora was based on, it was more about video and image multimodularity. But audio addition was weird to me.

[nova zodiac]

well the idea behind any of those things is the same - text gets tokenised, some sort of transformers are used to process it, then an output is delivered... #oversimplified 😛

[fierce musk]

The only difference between 3090 and A6000 is the amount of VRAM and the BIOS. Not only that , but there're double VRAM mods that work fine and doesn't even require drivers from the other gpu models. https://ithardware.pl/media/artykul/26971/rtx-3070-16gb-vram-mod_2900ac3c39.jpg

[wise bear]

Of course, although the main focus of the work from what I recalled was the new efforts from DeepMind on video/image interpretation and context delivery. Sora is an example of strong specificality.

[wise bear]

That sounds cool, and what do you mean by double VRAM mods?

[shadow inlet]

I may be naive to say but I wish there was some sort of backward compatibility or an easy switch between sd2 on automatic1111 and all the stuff folks have built. There's so much that's been made, it's a shame to see it all unusable. Shoot I wouldn't even mind an extra 5 GB of a program that has some backwards compatibility interoperability. But... Admittedly I may not know what the heck I'm talking about LoLz

[nova zodiac]

kinda what x-adapter will do when integration occurs

thats backwards compatibility for sdxl

[nova zodiac]

hacker swapped out the vram for bigger chips

I say hacker.. very clever dude that is good with a soldering iron 😛

[wise bear]

Oh! Physical swapping! Thought was more about editing to make vram bigger using RAM or something

[fierce musk]

I mean exactly what it says. The screenshot depicts a GPU with its memory doubled, literally. Some GPUs allow for the addition of twice as many chips, while others support chips that are twice the capacity.

Sometimes less.

[pale latch]

vram mods have been around for some time. you can't just put any chips on any card though. has to be similar chips with a bios that happens to accept it as legitimate. custom bioses aren't a big scene

[wise bear]

Yes, I was thinking this was a software mod, not hardware mod. Where you use memory from elsewhere and also somehow it being still performative. But I was wrong, this is literally swapping chips lol

I have a 3090 Ti, but being able to use some actual RAM to spoof the VRAM would possibly help for larger models at the cost of performance, specifically for testing and such.

Hopefully SD3 full version can work well on 16GB-24GB cards.

[fierce musk]

sure, but the reason why custom bioses aren't a big scene is because nobody in the scene has the signing keys .And you can't run unsigned vbios on modern gpus unless you can do even more crazy voodoo and that is hacking the falcon chip itself. So far nobody was able to do that, which is puzzling.

[stuck sun]

the stable diffusion 3 site mentions AI safety 5 times on the landing page lol

https://stability.ai/news/stable-diffusion-3?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=website&utm_campaign=blog

[fervent thunder]

so no waifus?

[gaunt laurel]

How do I run JuggernautXL v9 for free? I don't currently have access to a good pc, so I can't run it myself

[fervent thunder]

get a runpod or something

not free tho

[gaunt laurel]

I don't do it for long sessions, so it isn't worth it

I could do vast, but I don't feel like finding a working machine

[stuck sun]

they learned from google recent experience that gemini is doing things exactly right and everyone loves it and thats the model they should emulate

[fervent thunder]

as soon as they release their models in the open

it takes like a week before someone makes a nsfw fine-tune

[fierce musk]

that's exactly what new drivers do, they dump the content to Ram if VRAM is insufficient amount . And that feature sux ass big time.

[stuck sun]

yeah but ppl gave up on SD2 and it took 6 months for any decent XL models to come out that can do this and still only kinda

[gaunt laurel]

do you know of a free option?

[stuck sun]

because the model doesnt really understand anatomy and is hard to train

[fervent thunder]

not really

[gaunt laurel]

I want to use comfyui, A1111 is slow and buggy

[fervent thunder]

and thats also the reason why people abandoned it

[stuck sun]

i was hopeful about cascade but whats the point now lol

[fervent thunder]

SDXL knows anatomy but doesnt know what a genital is 😂

its so weird to censor nudity to me

as if nobody knows how they look naked in the bathroom

[stuck sun]

i'm sure they are afraid their user base would generate images that could put them in legal trouble

both in terms of copyright and also creeps

[sterile raven]

You can generate images of children in any form its not illegal in the states

[wise bear]

AI safety is annoying, censorship of even the worst content necessarily means they won't satiate all desires, leading to more incentive to obtain uncensored content elsewhere, whatever that content may be.

I'm all for AI to take over our desires and allow us to fully embrace exploring fantasies and curiosities as the boundary between fiction and reality is pretty obvious. People know the difference between acting something out in reality and merely exploring curiosities with a prompt.

[fervent thunder]

i think personal responsibility is ignored a lot

a pencil maker shouldnt be sued because someone wrote a death threat with their pencil

same applies to any tool

[frigid turtle]

When images can be used with anonymity and no accountability, personal responsibility is kind of irrelevant for the bad actors.

[wise bear]

I feel like people believe AI models are like FactoryPorn.exe SCP, where people think exploring fantasies leads to causing harm. This is evidently quite the opposite we observe.

[trail pecan]

Has anyone already gained access to SD 3? Hi everybody

[fervent thunder]

there is no anonymity on the net

its been a myth for over a decade now

[wise bear]

Nobody, not for a few more days at least

[fervent thunder]

we have literal action movies where people get tortured

and the majority watches them for entertainment

[wise bear]

Exactly

[fervent thunder]

i think people have a good idea what fiction is

[pale latch]

when laws come into play they'll be retroactively applied. old synthetic csam from before the laws isn't going to be grandfathered in here.

[sterile raven]

Exactly ppl can live their fanasies without enacting them

[wise bear]

People know, however it comes back to the point on disgust. Disgust blinds us from even the most rational conclusions.

[sterile raven]

If they make it illegal they are just tryna protect their billion dollar human trafficking business

[stuck sun]

I think thats debatable, anyway even if there's a legal gray zone on what is or is not proscecutable, the issue is more about jawboning

[trim magnet]

but killin ppl is allowed in fiction,sex isnt

[fervent thunder]

i think the porn industry has a big interest in censoring nsfw models lmao

funny enough, gore and violence is still possible even in SD 2.1

i dont get the discrepancy in values

is it because there is a war industry but no sexual assault industry?

[wise bear]

Legality doesn't matter, but on your statement, it would be illegal if it's indistinguishable.

[pale latch]

big porn always doing the industry propaganda dance. having people belive they were the cause of vhs winning when they just made that comittment near the end

[trim magnet]

yes every year theres a new war so maybe they want us to join their army

[pale latch]

joining the team in the lead at the final round

[stuck sun]

Jawboning is the use of official speech to inappropriately compel private action. Jawboning occurs when a government official threatens to use his or her power — be it the power to prosecute, regulate, or legislate — to compel someone to take actions that the state official cannot. Jawboning is dangerous because it allows government officials to assume powers not granted to them by law. The capriciousness of jawboning is also cause for concern. Individual officials can jawbone at will, without any sort of due process, by opening their mouths, taking up a pen, or tweeting.>>>

[sterile raven]

I dont think. Isnt the point that it is a victimless action. If there is no victim.. who cares

[stuck sun]

if its trained on real images, there are victims.

[wise bear]

It's always the same two arguments to justify their disgust.

Either it leads to "normalization" which in of itself isn't an argument. But is often flowed by "leads to an increased risk of harm", which is a false statement, evidence correlates with the opposite conclusion.

[fervent thunder]

yeah thats true and sd 1.5 had images of gore, violence, sexual crimes and abuse in the laion dataset

@stuck sun

[wise bear]

This is why the law doesn't matter, most laws are outdated and not updated due to disgust and the controversy of it.

[fervent thunder]

in retrospect its insane how bad the dataset for 1.5 was

bad labels, bad images

[wise bear]

Although a worse dataset may also mean more content included that they might of screened out in newer datasets, so there's less diversity in newer models.

[fervent thunder]

but also less noise

SD 1.5 had a lot of useless data

[pale latch]

"victimless crimes" until the 12 year old in a girl's class figures out how to use it and send everyone what he made

always remember. kids are soooo stupid

[nova zodiac]

yeah.. the world is not ready for Sora...

[fervent thunder]

i'm sure sora is censored as af

[nova zodiac]

especially if you can use it with controlnet

it's bad enough as it is

[trim magnet]

i dont think sora in uncensored

[sterile raven]

I dont buy that spiel its not the same image. Its the same as a human artist drawing it based on ideas of others. At the end of the day its someone (something) esles creation

[fervent thunder]

and sora wont run on your home gpu because its like 300gb like gpt 4

its a datacenter only model

[wise bear]

This would be a separate conversation about regulation, not banning. 12yo's shouldn't have access in the first place.

[stuck sun]

yeah sora is gonna refuse to make anything thats even a bit mean sounding

[trim magnet]

even dalle blocks most of girls in beach images

[pale latch]

most people don't realize what animatediff is capable of

[pale latch]

restricting tech from children just means they'll grow up into uninformed adults

[nova zodiac]

animatediff and svd are close enough.. sora level tech would just be more convincing

[fervent thunder]

i know, all my attempts making anything cool with it failed, it just makes camera motion and floaty people 😂

[pale latch]

what are you gonnad o, require an internet license like a drivers license? feasible maybe

[fervent thunder]

pretty much this ^

[nova zodiac]

not even close.. the problem is that the cat is WELL out of the bag

[trim magnet]

takes a while to get something good even with vid2vid u need to experiment a lot to get good results this isnt something a random kid can do

[nova zodiac]

fuck it's moved into the next area code

[wise bear]

You can produce any content without any content that was produced harmfully, just depends on how good the model is at putting things together.

[fervent thunder]

digital ID is unavoidable with the majority of DIU getting gen AI capabilities

atleast for some services

[pale latch]

yeah. pandora farted up the whole joint

[fierce musk]

Groq chips are 230MB (that's mega not giga) and yet they can run Mixtral Moe 47B params. Can't even think of how gargantuan their supecluster must be to run 100GB model .And how they managed to archive such speed with Ethernet interconnect is way beyond my imagination capabilities.

[nova zodiac]

doesn't take much to productise that..

[wise bear]

Regulation doesn't mean restriction, it just means to debate the restriction itself.

[pale latch]

they're doing something with blockchain to fund it. immediately makes me think it's basically vaporware

[trim magnet]

takes a while even more if u have a normal gpu with a several minutes vid

[pale latch]

i checked out on groq

[fervent thunder]

regulation is kinda pointless with AI, the regulatory bodies only react and only like 1 year later at best. at current speeds the technology is leaving them like dinosaurs getting smashed by a meteor

[stuck sun]

Obscenity Involving Minors

      Federal statutes specifically prohibit obscenity involving minors, and convicted offenders generally face harsher statutory penalties than if the offense involved only adults.  

      Section 1470 of Title 18, United States Code, prohibits any individual from knowingly transferring or attempting to transfer obscene matter using the U.S. mail or any means or facility of interstate or foreign commerce to a minor under 16 years of age.  Convicted offenders face fines and imprisonment for up to 10 years.

      In addition, Section 1466A of Title 18, United State Code, makes it illegal for any person to knowingly produce, distribute, receive, or possess with intent to transfer or distribute visual representations, such as drawings, cartoons, or paintings that appear to depict minors engaged in s*xually explicit conduct and are deemed obscene.  This statute offers an alternative 2-pronged test for obscenity with a lower threshold than the Miller test.  The matter involving minors can be deemed obscene if it (i) depicts an image that is, or appears to be a minor engaged in graphic b*stiality, sadistic or m*sochistic abuse, or s*xual intercourse and (ii) if the image lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value.  A first time offender convicted under this statute faces fines and at least 5 years to a maximum of 20 years in prison.

[pale latch]

synonyms really

[stuck sun]

for all the legal scholars in here

[wise bear]

Probably, but some things are more obvious than others pertaining to regulation.

[nova zodiac]

someone will be renting a runpod with a couple of h100s and running a cheap domain...

[trim magnet]

yea a 12 year old will rent a runpod

[fervent thunder]

'obscenity' is kind of uh, ambiguent

in my personal opinion most content people watch nowadays is super obscene

like tiktok, netflix, youtube

shorts

[fierce musk]

but it works and the speed is absolutely ridiculous so they must use SRAM for sure. No HBM3 can handle such a bandwidth , no way. We're talking about 30TB/s or more.

[fervent thunder]

obscenely stupifying content

[nova zodiac]

no.. shady adult will, turn it into a website that's a 1-click for user, and then 5 mins later you get email saying your deepfake is baked

[stuck sun]

ambiguous you mean, yes the law is ambiguous here, so saying "its not illegal" is not correct.

[fervent thunder]

no i mean the grounds for legal action, obscene is subjective

[trim magnet]

why would anyone do that when u can sell the video itself and make more money

[stuck sun]

yeah but the person making the images is not the one that decides this

[wise bear]

Obscenity is often not applied to content that wouldn't necessarily be considered real, however in the world of deepfakes and realistic generative AI, it may start to compell courts to emphasize more on this ambiguous term.

[nova zodiac]

people pay to use the service.. think midjourney but for shady shit

[pale latch]

all sounds like "BITCONNNNEEECT" hype to me as soon as i saw "tokens" on their page

[stuck sun]

which is why Stability are being very cautious about this, so as not to poke the government bear

[wise bear]

You're right, as long as it can be trained and fine tuned easily, I'm ok with censored models, only issue with 2.1 and XL, is there's less fine-tuning, or difficult to do so

[stuck sun]

because there are a lot of hysterical Elizabeth Warren supporters who want an excuse to censor snake emojis for the "harm" it causes, let alone stuff thats much worse

[nova zodiac]

forensic ai detectives gonna be really essential going forward (i.e deepfake detection)

[trim magnet]

because money

[pale latch]

a 12 year old played global thermonuclear warfare with the worlds smartest AI computer tyvm. just a geeky kid who knew how to wardial

[fervent thunder]

I think SD3 is gonna be slow as heck

diffusion transformer with patches lmao

DiT need a lot more data to be good compared to other models

[trim magnet]

its ok u will only need a 3090 easy peasy

[fervent thunder]

and fine-tuning is most likely gonna be the same

really data hungry ops

[crimson belfry]

When is the SD3 bot coming?

[pale latch]

its on the preview server

[fierce musk]

who cares. their cluster works and I benched those models already. Digiteyes did that too, however he didn't use API, just the web page . I can post community benchmarks if you want. Not as smart at logic/puzzles as Mistral next, but damn good model regardless. But the gamechanger wasn't the model, it was the speed .

[crimson belfry]

Do we have access to that or is that dev only? @pale latch

I been gone for awhile and seen the bot was disabled.

[pale latch]

meh. blockchain shit. bitconnect made people a lot of money and "worked" until it didn't

for all you know they trained those models on other hardware to puff the vaporware up

[fervent thunder]

thats how all pyramid schemes work

[pale latch]

ponzi gonna ponzi

[pale latch]

other people got access. you can apply. i'm on the waitlist

[wise bear]

I want to see SD3 show examples of humans more, worried about the lack of people in their examples

[crimson belfry]

I can't run it on my current laptop so it would nice to know that if I join the wait list I can use the disco version.

[fervent thunder]

same, i hope i get to test it out

i've been here using SD since the start

[crimson belfry]

I've been here a pretty long time but family issues and the nine

Just lost my mother to diabetes.

[fervent thunder]

that sucks

[pale latch]

magic retro references https://youtu.be/DOwQKWiRJAA

[crimson belfry]

Most definitely

So If I do join the wait list I can use SD3 on disco? Or is that just for the models.

[fierce musk]

never heard they trained anything on their hw, Mixtral and llama2 they offered weren't tuned on their gears AFAIK. They just serve the inference .

[fervent thunder]

most likely just the discord stuff

no leaky leaky

[pale latch]

meh. blockchain tokens. all i need to know

[crimson belfry]

Nice, I'm fine with that, I'm pretty hyped up to use something other than the corporate nonsense

All this censorship has everyone irritated

[pale latch]

its overblown

[crimson belfry]

You can not even make a picture of a president

That should be illegal tbh, We do have rights lol

[pale latch]

wtf?

they're a UK company bruh

[crimson belfry]

Try to create Donald Trump in gemini or chatGPT

[pale latch]

your american rights are meaningless

[crimson belfry]

It's global

[vernal jolt]

so hyped for Stable Diffusion 3

[crimson belfry]

It's an effort to suppress everyone regardless what country

[pale latch]

ugh i soooo hate the american election cycle. just get it over with already. drag it out so long

[fervent thunder]

yeah this

they're basically teaching AI to be malicious and lie

gaslight people

[pale latch]

your country is going to burn down and people elsewhere will all be "oh."

[crimson belfry]

Yep

[trim magnet]

they cant tho unless they install a rootkit on everyone pc's

[crimson belfry]

Who says the backdoor are not there already

[trim magnet]

but how can they block me from using webui

[fervent thunder]

'alignment' is nothing but a codeword for enforced propaganda, gaslighting, psychological manipulation, historic revisionism and censorship now

i think the current form of alignment is more dangerous than no alignment at all

[pale latch]

qanon nonsense. if you really want to be paranoid about computer, learn about the ken thompson hack.

[crimson belfry]

It wouldn't be instant, It would be done in such a way that new technology would be outfitted and integrated to censor you

[trim magnet]

its gonna be like that transformers movie,my keyboard will turn into a robot hand and choke me to death

[pale latch]

https://wiki.c2.com/?TheKenThompsonHack good luck

[fervent thunder]

this has nothing to do with conspiarcy theories, they're openly saying that they're aligning the AI with their values, which are bad

😂

[pale latch]

or like Full Throttle the meat carver gonna jump at you

[crimson belfry]

The old devices become obsolete over time giving them opportunity to create new tech to try these things with.

When Google has to shut down their AI because it won't create white people we have an issue

[pale latch]

thats' an exageration of what was going on. their prompts were just throwing different ethinicities into the mix on the backend

[stuck sun]

you don't understand, depicting white people in any context is harmful

[crimson belfry]

Lol

They are literally injecting prompts with an agenda

[fervent thunder]

alignment simply doesnt work, its dumb to think you can fully control a non human intelligence. its like a wild animal thatll bite ya if you're not careful

[pale latch]

really is qanon conspiracy nonsense when you think some low engineer's idea is a grand conspiracy from the elders of zion or some shit

[crimson belfry]

I don't care if it's the left or right, My idea is mine and I want it to be portrayed how I envision it. Not Google

[fervent thunder]

what are you even talking about icey

[pale latch]

the qanon truther in here

[fierce musk]

you keep refraining blockchain. Frankly I just eyeballed their page and couldt find any crypto or blockchain relate stuff there. You're sure we're talking bout the same company???

[fervent thunder]

who believes in qanon

[pale latch]

the one you linked

[crimson belfry]

If you can not get beyond the politics and look at it generally we will all be doomed

[fierce musk]

I didn't link anything

[crimson belfry]

Censorship imo is dangerous

[stuck sun]

wow very far right (or leftist from 2014) of you

[fervent thunder]

yeah i think we should focus on the general idea here. its about a handful of people deciding what information you gain access to and what you dont

and most of all what you do with your computer

[crimson belfry]

Why would you be OK with Google or anyone changing your prompt

[fierce musk]

if we're talking about groq then there's nothing crypto there at all.

[crimson belfry]

Do you believe in your right to create

[brave vigil]

Any place I can do lora training for free online?

I know, probably not 😐

[fervent thunder]

no most likely not, what kinda lora u wanna train anyways?

[crimson belfry]

We wouldn't have true art if we would allow the government to dictate what we can draw or paint.

That's not freedom of expression

[pale latch]

oops this one

[brave vigil]

Right now, I'm trying to engineer my own 2d art style

[crimson belfry]

I'm here supporting SD because they never censored my political art, Even my Dr Fauci pictures which were pretty lit

[fervent thunder]

they do have a part in their licence that says no real persons allowed tho

[pale latch]

the whole page is promoting a crypto token around their ai. they're all about crypto

[nova zodiac]

we are all doomed anyway, life is a sexually transmitted disease and it's 100% terminal 😛

[crimson belfry]

Are political figures real people?

[fervent thunder]

🤔

[crimson belfry]

Lol

[fierce musk]

yeah, that's them. but where do you see anything crypto there?????

[pale latch]

the whole page

[nova zodiac]

depends if you believe in simulation theory, the lizard people illuminati theory or any other similar theorums

[crimson belfry]

We have a fair use obligation to make the best memes

[fierce musk]

what?????

[crimson belfry]

@nova zodiac Illuminati is just a Cabal or some would call it Deep State or shadow government.

[pale latch]

Welcome to Groq AI, where innovation meets intelligence in the most exceptional way. Groq AI is not just a cryptocurrency;

[crimson belfry]

Once you look up things like The Trilateral Commission and The Bilderberg group or Skull and Bones, You know you are in the rabbit hole

In only gets deeper from there

[pale latch]

nazi propaganda in it's 2024 form

[crimson belfry]

Where?

[pale latch]

The elders of zion. All the same nonsense

just called qanon now

[eager seal]

hi guys, may i know why i can't create anything in stable diffusion now?

[crimson belfry]

Qanan does not even exist

There is Q which is a military psyop and there are Anons who are literally people like me or you who are anonymous who research information

[pale latch]

cycles through different names. its all the same propeganda

[crimson belfry]

Unless information can jump out and hurt you then that's a different story

It's not nobody's fault but your own if you can not handle the information

[pale latch]

i bet you've got a final solution for all the secret ruling people. wonder what it is

[crimson belfry]

Spreading lies and speaking as if you know what you are talking about is even more dangerous

Like I said Qanon is not real and is literally created by mainstream media

[pale latch]

like i said, you're just mimicking the same nazi propeganda from pre kristalnacht

[fierce musk]

Bru thats the wrong url. That's some scam. the original groq is silicon chip company . they make Ai accelerators , been around for a hot minute. here's the chat, you can use it. it's free. 500 t/s that 10x faster than gpt4. https://groq.com/

[crimson belfry]

The word Qanon is from corporate mainstream media talking heads

Q is a military op

[pale latch]

not into it

[vague pond]

hmm, today i'm going to click on the SD server and see a very normal conversation...

[crimson belfry]

17th Letter Q and they work out of Virginia

Q is the highest military clearance you can have

[past jay]

One day but that day is not today.

[stuck sun]

i think i may have started this lol

i pointed out that the stable diffusion 3 landing page has 5 references to "safety" and it snowballed from there

[crimson belfry]

It's normal to talk about this lol it's an experience people are actually having in the world

It's not ok to ignore it and make things up as you go

That's how people become confused.

It's no different than covid, ww3, blackouts, etc.... These things are actually happening.

[fierce musk]

no offense bro, but are you retаrded??? If somebody creates Microsoftok.com then you'd stop using ms windows and if there's Googlec.com in the webs then you gonna drop Google search all together?

[pale latch]

it's just a brand. chill.

They're a crypto company tho. that coin is a legitimate symbol on the network and is one of the company's projects

feels like i'm in grade 10 again when i told my bud i liked adidas sneaks over nike

[crimson belfry]

How could you

[woven ingot]

heey people

[pale latch]

allso, microsoft has consistently delivered products over decades. groq is vaporware built on blockchain for some reason

[broken bloom]

Anyone tried proteus 0.4?

[crimson belfry]

I’m glad that Google overplayed their hand with their AI image generation, as it made their insane racist, anti-civilizational programming clear to all - From Elon Musks X Profile an hour ago

[vague pond]

"built on blockchain for some reason" -- unofficial tagline for half of SV startups

[crimson belfry]

LMAO 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

We are watching the fall of these tyrants

In real time

SD3 will take over and force everyone else to go Open Source

[stuck sun]

take over what

[crimson belfry]

Why would someone make Microsoft even richer or Open AI ?

Do you understand who you are supporting when you give them money for this technology?

[past jay]

I think it was more related to Google's engineers trying to solve the issues of AI biases and they've made it wayyy too overzealous. These models are hard to align for a middle ground.

[fierce musk]

Ok fair enough . I'll have to double check if that page is legit.

[stuck sun]

I kinda feel like its good there are many competing tools that can complement each other and excel at different things, and the google one was shit

[crimson belfry]

If you pay for chatGPT you are supporting the cell makers who will build the cage around us.

[past jay]

Yeah, was never really impressive considering what was already released.

[crimson belfry]

It's obvious that they do not want to the technology from stable foundation to be in our possession

[past jay]

Even things they should've excelled at were pretty disappointing.

[broken bloom]

Google models are most biased and dumb 😂

[crimson belfry]

And for no reason other than to push propaganda

[stuck sun]

does anyone use the meta one?

[crimson belfry]

I have not used that.

[past jay]

Meta's Imagine? That's more an experiment than anything.

[stuck sun]

i tried it once and was like, eh, this is ok, not better than any of the others particularly, so whatever

theyt are all experiments tho no?

dall e is like, not very real looking so not a competitor for MJ except for cartoony/illustration stuff

[crimson belfry]

I watched a ton of information on it but never tried it fully, I think they had a demo we could try early on.

[past jay]

Yeah, that's true.

[past jay]

Everything is extremely samey as well.

[crimson belfry]

Which is even more of a reason we shouldn't be paying yet

It's experimental and it's being trained on OUR life

It looks at our patterns and our information and learns from our ability

We should have more of a say

The one consistent AI that has not tried to be more than what it is would be LeonardoAI

[stuck sun]

well i pay for MJ and magnific

[crimson belfry]

I can understand people pay for MJ or LeonardoAI

[stuck sun]

I'll cancel magnific as soon as there's another AI upscaler thats even close to as good

[crimson belfry]

Which would you compare it with?

[stuck sun]

krea, stable diffusion testing loads of upscaler models, etc

[crimson belfry]

I've never used magnific, I'm always willing to try new AI

I'm really waiting for an AI game engine.

[stuck sun]

tried the topaz one too

magnific stomps on them all, for now, for most things

not perfect but

its like a couple of clicks and generally really impressive results

[crimson belfry]

None of them are to most of our standards as of now

But they are getting really impressive

SD3 has me excited again

I kind of burned myself our learning how to properly prompt with SDXL

[pale latch]

i doint even believe it's their models. its the prompt engine

the workflows around the models

its unfortunate that its done because it doesn't allow researchers a real clear view on the actual model

[crimson belfry]

It's how they manipulate your inputs and change them to fit a woke narrative or an agenda that they have in mind.

[stuck sun]

maybe someone has cracked upscaling in SD but the amount of time to test and the terrible quality of so many of the results is really offputting, you think you got it working then you try the workflow on other images and it tears the image apart, in comparison you toss it into magnific and press "go" and most of the time it either looks good immediatly or you push a couple of sliders around and thats it

[crimson belfry]

I have a decent way of manipulating my images but I do agree with you to an extent. I have not used magnific so I can not relate on that end but I can imagine that if you are leaning that way while also understanding the prompting process of SDXl and how many times you would need to regenerate images to get something usable, I trust your words.

[pine path]

I saw this recently. Not exactly what you mean, but could help make upscaling faster.
https://arxiv.org/abs/2402.13573

[stuck sun]

dont trust my word, i'm a dimwit lol, find a better solution i dont wanna pay for magnific ahahahaa

[fierce musk]

not as much as Anthropic Claudes.

[crimson belfry]

SD3 is dae wae

Don't get me started on Claude

Claude told me that a cheetah hunting in tall grass is offensive

[stuck sun]

is this not available yet?

[crimson belfry]

I left and never returned lol

[pine path]

paper came out yesterday

I assume comfy is busy with sd3 stuff atm as well

[fierce musk]

let's go for Goody2 then. 😄

[crimson belfry]

I like stable foundations style, So far I liked everything that they have worked on

The emphasis on making it available to us is legendary

[pale latch]

weights and documentation. such a beautiful thing.

[crimson belfry]

When they do that they make it hard for tyranny to affect us. What they are doing is more noble than meets the eye.

I'm sure that there have been some back door meetings telling them not to release stuff to the public

[pale latch]

the source code for training these models is under appreciated. it'll be cheaper to make these in the future.

[crimson belfry]

It gets faster and faster because the AI can help

One thing I do not want is sentient AI

[pale latch]

consider if magic and warlockery is real with a focused mind. what kind of magicka will machine intelligence achieve? How's that for illuminati conspiracy

[stuck sun]

https://www.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/y99yb1/a_summary_of_the_most_recent_shortlived_so_far/

[crimson belfry]

Boston Dynamics and DARPA are the real illuminati

The AI that they use is scary

[pale latch]

one my favorite science fiction stories is "Destination: Void" where a deep space team of engineers create machine consciousness and it becomes a jesus

[fierce musk]

Is sd3 gonna be commercial friendly ? Cos if their model gonna suck due to censorship and safety, and their licensing gonna be restrictive, meaning no $ goes into finetuning which will be very costly , then Huston we have a problem.

[crimson belfry]

It needs to be open to make an impact

[pale latch]

generalized machine inteligence is going to make an impact no matter what

[crimson belfry]

If it's censored like gemini we will seriously need to look in to alternatives

We are running out of options lol

[broken bloom]

Still anthropic models are not great , I agree they have huge context length but they suck even llava is better than google anthropic

[pale latch]

all the models today won't matter. they're like all the hooey dooey airplanes that were all over before flight got really discovered