💬｜general-chat

[long marten]

to be honest I think diffusion will be even more disruptive to 3d art than 2d, and high quality textured model synthesis I can see coming online in the next 5 years

[kindred sage]

oh boo hoo cry about it, artists need to get over it and move on

[uneven wasp]

I don't see the greatest value as replacing what human artists can do but rather entirely new things that were never possible before. Generation on the fly.

Asset libraries that can encompass anything you can imagine

Effectively infinite compression for certain types of "it doesn't need to look the same it just needs to look good" assets

[long marten]

a lot of game art is really mundane. Making "leafy ground textures" and such. I hope the part of the process that is just matching reality goes away so we can focus on aesthetics

[meager cosmos]

i heard that there is now a notebook with weighted prompts, is that true?

[pine fulcrum]

I’m already doing that

[uneven wasp]

what's your approach?

[pine fulcrum]

Well this is specifically for dnd characters but I as an example

Have it generate 3

It gives me 3

I say focus on 2 and does so

I then say. “Condense this down into adjectives and nouns separated by a ,

Then I say, make sure to give me a few prompts for (insert art style)

[uneven wasp]

you good bro?

cat step on your keyboard?

[uneven wasp]

I did something recently like that. Had it generate me scps, then had it generate me prompts based off those scps. There's a lot of room for interactivity between the two, but I really wish we had an opensource chatgpt

@naive ember I try not to ping mods but I think we got a spambot that needs to be banned

[pine fulcrum]

Oh and how did that go

Sent my most resent generation cause I don’t think images are allowed here

[uneven wasp]

Fairly well. Piling on embeddings definitely helped but somethings they were too strong content wise

[pine fulcrum]

I bet

SCP is a dark environment

[bright cradle]

how mch time to take install SD cmd

[iron basin]

What is this server about?

[fervent chasm]

is there a recommended amount of images to use to train for embedding? is 15 too many?

i was using like 15-20 for hypernetwork and it worked fine. but training in embedding produces weird results, doesnt look anything like the person

[near crypt]

Hello guys

[unreal eagle]

hi all

what new model is emad training?

will it be better than 1.5 or 2.1?

[brazen fox]

We're all waiting for the distilled model, which is supposed to be ~20x faster

Don't know about the quality, and if it will be better in a strict sense, but speed is already a huge plus

[unreal eagle]

ohhh yeah i remember that announcement

can u use the 20x faster on the 1.5 model still?

and will there also be a mobile version now ?

local?

[brazen fox]

No, it's a seperate model

[unreal eagle]

aw man but 1.5 is so good

[signal nest]

distilled models .. are those a tradeoff - variety vs speed?

e.g. distill a faster model to generate specific things?

[brazen fox]

I don't think we're there just yet, but we're getting there

[unreal eagle]

but iphone can run a local one, if speed is 20x i think it can run on android

[unreal eagle]

idk i see pruned vs unpruned models, idk if ones better or not

[brazen fox]

Distilled models are optimised and have a huge increase in speed/less steps needed, with the tradeoff being slightly worse quality, according to the paper

[brazen fox]

Maybe, it depends on a lot of things- SD can run on an iPhone thanks to apple's chips primarily, I don't know too much about ARM chips and how well they would fare with SD but seeing as how cpu-based stable diffusion on desktops is absurdly slow right now, it might take a bit more than just the distilled model

[cold siren]

but are we going to need 20x more VRAM for that? 🤔

also what about 20x faster training? or is it going to be 20x slower 🤔

[brazen fox]

absolutely not

[brazen fox]

I have no idea about training, I'm not enough of a scientist to extract that information from the paper

[fervent thunder]

I hope it's true about that distilled version, but I fear it'll just be a mini version with less data. Which, by luck/chance, decrease the creation time as well. But I haven't read any info on this so I'm just speculating. :P

[cold siren]

i'd say it is better to have separate models with less data, than one model with all the garbage they threw into it 😐

[gleaming lotus]

@peak orchid what settings and sampler did you use with your cat scarfs? 😄

[cold siren]

like, i'm pretty sure that feeding models with random grids of comics/etc not split into several images is the reason for why the damn thing can generate multiple different horizons separated by any separation line(s)

[signal nest]

one big model with everything would give the maximum variety for blending ideas.. i think we need both

i wonder if you could do something like 'mixture of experts' ... have a model trained just on lineart to be better at planning scenes.. feed that into narrower models on subsets of the image for each scene element (figures, faces, hands, buildings) .. then something that focusses on light and texture running over the whole thing

[brazen fox]

It's not less data if I understand it correctly, just a different method of getting your image from that data
https://arxiv.org/pdf/2210.03142.pdf Here's the paper for anyone interested, but be warned, it's technical

[cold siren]

Sadly, you do not currently appear to have permission to access https://arxiv.org/pdf/2210.03142.pdf
🤷
In Netscape try Edit -> Preferences -> Navigator -> Applications
lol Netscape? 👴

[fervent thunder]

Thanks, I'll read it in a little while. And thanks for warning me about it being technical, it's my kryptonite!

[fervent thunder]

from my reading so far it seems to be about having to use less steps than to reduce the time. Technically, having less steps will also reduce the time but from the stuff I read so far it still takes the same amount of time as before for each step. But I might be missing something and/or haven't read enough of it :P

I also fear bias every time I read stuff like "…a state-of-the-art sampler that requires no additional training and has achieved
good results for…" being used, but that is also probably just a sort of pet peeve of mine :P

I've noticed that specifying 1024x1024 size results in significantly clearer faces and more detail (SD 1.5, auto1111 ui). Is it supposed to be like that? Like with a standard 512 size I usually get blurry mess of a face while in 1024 it's pretty clear.

[cold siren]

yeah we could probably see what is the problem if we knew wtf these samplers actually sample 😕 i kind of expected them to converge on some common "solution" a-la newton method, but they seem to be quite inconsistent between each other

[brazen fox]

the time/step is the same, but it will get much more results- as far as I know, the quality of 2 steps would be comparable to way more in a non-distilled model

[young ivy]

the original SD models aren't all that great on their own. The best thing they bring with new versions is updated tech(or backend or whatever...dunno what to call it) to train on

[brazen fox]

better guidance + better/more trained datasets

usually

we'll have to see what the future brings though

[fervent thunder]

I hope so as well, I wonder if all details will be there or if there'll be less "fine" stuff

[young ivy]

thank you, yeah it's always nice with better guidance, especially towards larger trained resolutions

[brazen fox]

we'll see in a few weeks it will be very useful to test prompts at the very least I imagine

[fervent thunder]

Yeah, seems their new thing is mostly a new way to calculate something so it should be usable for everything I hope :D

and if nothing else, I think it doesn't remove stuff, you can still get the same result by increasing the steps... I think, I can't understand most of that document :P

[young ivy]

Euler A is known for changing images almost entirely within just a few steps

[fervent thunder]

I also find it interesting by some of the choices of prompt words for their tests >:D

[cold siren]

anyone knows why most values we use seem to have only like 1-2 significant decimal digits? is this an fp16 precision problem?

[wide juniper]

My img2img tends to return black or white images whenever the image is longer than 768 * 512. Is this a known problem?

[bright cradle]

ai generatiing discord srver where u can give command to bot and it will generate images based on your command text

[peak orchid]

20 iterations of Karras DPM++ SDE with a CFG of 7

[iron basin]

And how can I do that?

[gleaming lotus]

You would go first at #1014939219904450590 to read all about the server. The first message at top is explaining about it. 🙂

[iron basin]

Oh thank you valentine

Where are you from?

@gleaming lotus

[gleaming lotus]

I am gonna give you a food hint , hopefully you can find it 😄 Feta and Gyros/Kebab

[iron basin]

North America

?

[gleaming lotus]

Too far 😄 I am from Greece 🙂

[iron basin]

That's cool

I am from india

[iron basin]

What you do?

[gleaming lotus]

That's nice! 🙂 Welcome here and hopefully you enjoy! But I would not like to chat like that, it might be a bit spam for others 🙂

[iron basin]

I don't get it?

[brazen fox]

I think they mean that having 'smalltalk' conversations in a big server like this might come across as spammy

[iron basin]

But it's a general chat right?

Here people talk about casual things

[brazen fox]

It's just my interpretation of their words, not my personal opinion

[iron basin]

Ah okay where are you from?

[brazen fox]

[iron basin]

Sorry, don't know that flag

[young ivy]

I don't get what a chat is for if not to chat

[iron basin]

Yeah hahah

[brazen fox]

I'm Dutch 🙂 it's the flag of the Netherlands

[iron basin]

I know Netherland by name

Wow you are a dutch

[iron basin]

What does cryonicus mean?

[brazen fox]

Might be a bit counterintuitive, calling people from the Netherlands not Netherlanders but Dutch, but it's just how it is

[young ivy]

The first part is self-explanatory, the rest just sounded to me like it would make the name stand out

[iron basin]

Sorry, hahah i don't about it

[iron basin]

So you like to cry? Crying is good for health

[young ivy]

ok apparently it's not self-explanatory

[brazen fox]

That went well

[iron basin]

Where are you from cry?

[young ivy]

Sorry I don't respond to that moniker

[iron basin]

Moniker?

Oh you mean sub name

[iron basin]

Oh i am sorry where are you from sir/ma'am

[young ivy]

Sweden. I'm not one for smalltalk though, I'm Swedish. We have no idea how to smalltalk

[wheat hazel]

I just learnt there's a mob of angry dudes who don't like AI art and are trying to actively cancel it. lol

[brazen fox]

yeah it's a thing- I understand where they're coming from but I hate that movement so much

[iron basin]

Okay

[wheat hazel]

apparently, some of them aren't even artists, but more likely come from the "cancel culture" movement

[brazen fox]

in a way- for people who don't understand AI, how it works, what it actually does, it's really easy to spin their view to 'AI is theft' 'AI isn't real art'

I feel like it's based on ignorance and fear, mostly

[wheat hazel]

there's not a lot of difference between AI and an artist that learns how to draw from few of his favorite artists

one of the differences, for example, is that AI would be trained on much many more artists

but who am I trying to convince here... xD

[brazen fox]

I mean, I'm with you there, but it's hard to explain the sentiment to someone who does not want to understand or even discuss it- people are just scared of losing relevance because a computer can learn something they spent years on in hours and spit out an absurd amount of images for next to no cost

[wheat hazel]

yea, one thing these guys could do is actually create annotated datasets

these would have a lot of value

[brazen fox]

they could use it to their advantage instead of being enraged, yet most of the time the rage still wins lol

[wheat hazel]

the tech is out

universal never managed to kill mp3

[brazen fox]

there's no going back on the tech, and progress won't be stopped- what they can do is drag companies like stability through nonsense legal battles and try to kill freely available models/training

[wheat hazel]

except that people are training their own models, or at least fine tuning existing models

[brazen fox]

yes, that can't be stopped, but training one of the 'main' checkpoints takes an absurd amount of computing power and a gigantic dataset

[wheat hazel]

yep, but when I see the difference between 1.5 and some fine tuned models... I can't stop thinking that we pretty much already have all that we need

(yea, I have some issues with 2.1, like a lot of people, I think)

[brazen fox]

that's like people in 2002 saying 'game graphics can't get anymore realistic'

[brazen fox]

I love 2.1, haven't used 1.x in a bit tbh

[wheat hazel]

not sure why, but I have a lot of difficulties getting good results in 2.1

in particular with a textual inversion of a character

I have about 2k 1024x1024 hires photos of her portrait, but... it doesn't work as good as in 1.5

[brazen fox]

if it's actual portraits, sure, but that's what DB/Lora is for

TI is absurdly good with styles in 2.x

it's pretty much all I've been doing for the last few weeks

[fervent thunder]

It's always about what you want that's important. I've seen a lot more people say they can't get what they want with 2.x than with 1.5. With 1.5 most people seem to ask how to get the same results as midjourney, that's about it. I've seen very little dedication for 2.x anywhere. Even on this very channel I'd say the info is lacking. But for anything in 1.5 you can find it somewhere. That's from my experience anyway, I might just be bad at searching for stuff :P

[wheat hazel]

but db/lora is more limited than ti, right ?

i mean you're limited to 1

to be more clear, if I wanted, I could create two TI for two different portraits, and then mix them together in the same prompt

can't do that with DB

don't know much about lora yet

[cursive prairie]

Hey, maybe someone know the answer. AUTOMATIC1111 gui have ability to generate grid of different checkpoints, is there any way to rename legend values? I mean, right now it's hash string like 325e66c, instead of this i prefer to see something like Stable-Diffusion-v2. Maybe someone knows and can help? 🥲

[wheat hazel]

another example would be : with TI I can train it once and then change the model to have different styles of the same character

[fervent thunder]

I think you can name your grids just like how you name your images themselves, and you can name your images with the name of the model used

[cursive prairie]

Can u show me an example please? I have tried something like "e52ec3c(Anything 3.0)" but failed

[ivory wind]

Can I use my own drawing as an inspiration for this I want it to create a realistic tattoo

[wheat hazel]

no, I think he means changing the name of the models on the axis

[fervent thunder]

what have you in your Images filename pattern box?

[wheat hazel]

so instead of the guid, it shows the filename of the model

to do that you'd need to change the code

sounds easy enough though

[ivory wind]

Can I use my own drawing as an inspiration for this I want it to create a realistic tattoo

[cursive prairie]

A little confused about ur question because i dont know where is this box but let me show you what i mean
https://imgur.com/a/PuvfSKE

[fervent thunder]

This imgur.com page can’t be found

[cursive prairie]

sorry, edited, now is right one

[wheat hazel]

totally, I've done that already

[cursive prairie]

Yep, you are right

So, only option is to change code?

[wheat hazel]

I think so

[ivory wind]

How do I do it, I guess would be a more appropriate question then

[wheat hazel]

img2img and then it depends on what you want to do exactly

[fervent thunder]

hover your mouse on the "checkpoint X box" and it'll tell you how to use it

[wheat hazel]

the most difficult is turning a monochrome picture to a colored one I think

[ivory wind]

I'm new to this and need a guide to figure it out how do I get it to look at my image I've put it up and I get weird stuff not related to the image

[wheat hazel]

https://imgur.com/a/cfuHiw3

your denoising strength is probably too high

[ivory wind]

Can you walk me through the procedure

[fervent thunder]

and I'm not sure, but if you don't have a range from->to on your Y axis, then it'll either not work, or it'll never stop creating images. But I haven't tested it, too scared that it'll run forever! :P

[ivory wind]

Or point me in the direction where I can figure it out how to do it

[wheat hazel]

you can put models on axis

[cursive prairie]

Yeah, you are right, just wanted to check and didn't fixed back 😄

[fervent thunder]

yeah, I know that, but in their image, they used seed on their Y axis, and I'm not sure you can have no "end point" for it.

[wheat hazel]

once you've started the ui, you need to go into the img2img tab, here you upload your image, and select crop or resize and fill, otherwise the result with be distorted

then you can try to generate an image to see what you get. if it's too far from your prompt, you increase the CFG scale, if it's too far from your image you can either decrease CFG scale or denoising strength (start with denoising strength)

[fervent thunder]

did you get what I said before with the model name?

[wheat hazel]

usually, if you want to keep most of your image then a denoising strength between 0.4 and 0.55 does the job

but then it really depends what you want to do

[cursive prairie]

To check it on mouse hover?

[fervent thunder]

yes, if you hover your mouse over the X axis when you've selected the checkpoint then you can get a small box on hover that tells you how to use it, and in it, it says that you can also use it's file name. Haven't used it myself so I'm not sure how to work it more than that tho

[cursive prairie]

Idk why but all my hovers broken, dont have them at all in web gui, need to fix it later.
As far as i have tried i can't use name of file :c

Oh, wait, nvm, i think i had name typo, now its working, thanks a lot!

[wheat hazel]

for example, if you want to do a face swap but keep the same gender, denoising strength of 0.2 is enough

in fact sometimes it's even too much

[fervent thunder]

they also recommend you to have checkpoint as the Y AXIS as it will not switch as often then if you use both X and Y

[cursive prairie]

Seems logical, i will use ur advice, thanks mate 🙂

[wheat hazel]

I don't recall exactly, but I think I keep 8 models in memory :p

[cerulean rivet]

Did anyone try one of the photoshop plugins? https://medium.com/geekculture/ai-for-photoshop-work-smarter-and-faster-7f66d930208a
I'll be interested to get some feedback on those

[wheat hazel]

btw, what's everyone opinion on outpainting scripts in 1111 ?

[cerulean rivet]

it has its limits. I've done some cool stuff with it but eventually it starts creating frames and can't go further

[wheat hazel]

I was using it at first but then I realized you can get equivalent or better results with a png with an alpha channel

[cerulean rivet]

I can send you a sample of what I did on general-with-images https://discord.com/channels/1002292111942635562/1004159122335354970

[analog cape]

what are your views on people using others artwork for img2img?

[wheat hazel]

I'm using my art on img2img, what do you think ?

[ivory wind]

I can't figure it out

[analog cape]

I think people should atleast credit the original artist and mention whether an img is generated from img2img or not, otherwise it overestimates the capabilities of the AI

[ivory wind]

I have a drawing where do I start

[winter pike]

use command image_init to upload a picture, only in dreambot channels, example:
"/dream prompt: a house in fire image_init"

[ivory wind]

I got that far

[ivory wind]

Ok finally getting somewhere thank you so much

[fathom bane]

How do I use thsi

[winter pike]

use command "/dream prompt:" and then describe the image you want to generate, but only in the channels between #1047760914008522782 to #1047760279267721236

[fervent thunder]

uhm can someone help me setting up ai art

[bleak matrix]

Are you trying to install it locally?

[fervent thunder]

i guess

but i just dont understand the tutorials

but i have given up

so nvm

[bleak matrix]

If you're having trouble with something, such as an error, you can post it in #🤝｜tech-support

I would make sure you first have the computer specs

You can post screenshots and get help; there's no problem

though it's totally understandable to take a break

or whatever you need to, of course!

But we're here if you change your mind

[astral goblet]

turning sketches into something more complete and colorized, also requires a good prompt describing the final product

[bleak matrix]

That's certainly true.

Iteration and effort.

And.....well, if you're me, understanding the relationships between words.

and how you can change shapes, textures, and colors within SD

[steady ermine]

Wtf, for the first time played a bit longer with SD: and it's just 5 hours later. 😅 🤣

[lilac reef]

I remember those days of being enthralled like that.

[steady ermine]

And I don't even know what I'm doing, just trying some prompts, pushing the result in img2img, doing something else or the same again, and just keep getting amazed by the results.

[lilac reef]

Yep, those were the days for me too. The more I learned the more I burnt out now meh. I moved on to making models, and embeddings, etc... which zap even more time.

[steady ermine]

What kind of models? For image rendering, for games, or for 3d printing?

[lilac reef]

for SD

I am just waiting for the new tools so I can get back to making more for 2.x, but until then I have been doing embeddings, and hypernetworks.

[barren mulch]

what is gpt4

[brazen fox]

a text based AI/language model, probably releasing somewhere in 2023

[barren mulch]

who devs it google ?

[brazen fox]

OpenAI, same company that is behind DALL-E

they also already have a public GPT-3.5 for people to play with- it can explain things to you, remember things from earlier in the conversation and use those, write code, essays, etcetera

if you'd like to try it, just google ChatGPT

[ivory wind]

So another question, is there a way to get it to morph multiple images?

[silent locust]

Guys can someone make for me a digital painting of a Cat wearing the little jewish skullcap on a top of head ? I was trying so many times and I cant

[viscid kayak]

If there were a models to have list what would you include?

Id put 1.5 2.0(depth2img) and base 2.1

[odd flower]

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Unable to create venv in directory venv

exit code: 3

stderr:
Системе не удается найти указанный путь.

help me

[crimson violet]

The default outpainting in automatic feels real bad. Anything to fix it?

[lilac reef]

nope

[crimson violet]

[peak mantle]

Does anyone know where to find the full docs for SD? I've read all the stuff on Stability but nada for what I need. I'm talking every parameter explain kinda docs...

[round juniper]

Anywhere that explains how to train?

What exactly is training, and how to do it mainly

[vocal plover]

One question. my Automatic1111 webui changed a few days and now my resolution options can be increased in smaller steps, like by 8pixels, it used to be biggersincrements, like by 64 pixels, how can I configure it again to use resolution in steps of 64 pixels?
Like it was from 512 to 576, now I can setup 512, 520, 528, 536, etc

[lilac reef]

ui-config.json

[vocal plover]

this one? "txt2img/Width/step": 8,

[lilac reef]

yeah, I think so. will be another for img2img

[vocal plover]

thanks a lot

[lilac reef]

8 is insane

[ocean mango]

https://www.techontheedge.com

new on ai ect

[meager cosmos]

Are there any notebooks with prompt weights yet?

[halcyon moat]

@naive ember @thorny depot can one of you ban @hallow sage they are impersonating @indigo meadow by using unicode to appear as if they have the same name and discord discrim number to scam people.

[thorny depot]

Looking into it. Thanks for the heads up.

[halcyon moat]

If you have logs of name changes you’ll see they changed their name to impersonate just a few hours ago

[fervent thunder]

were to find other ckpt files? looking for one with cars... n1?

[long marten]

https://twitter.com/TimSweeneyEpic/status/1607162963583983616

There you have it

No AI ban on artstation

[little plaza]

I think he may have misinterpreted the question and his answer is being taken the wrong way.

They asked if they'd put a 'noai' tag on by default but it seems like he's talking about allowing ai at all? Idk how a 'noai' tag by default would be detrimental, tbh.

Oh n/m he clarifies further down the thread.

[worthy oriole]

I don't think that he misinterpreted anything. He says that they don't wanna put "noai" by default because it would "prohibit uses that would fall under copyright law's fair use rules."...
I

[little plaza]

Yes I think i actually misread the tweet lol

"To block all generative AI, including AI operating lawfully under fair use rules, use the NoAI tag. See: " I get it, because scraping data to train non-commercial/research models is operating under fair use.

"You don't determine if a generated image using an amalgamation of stolen artwork is fair use." guess we're still making stuff up

[lilac reef]

YAY, no more damn gatekeepers as I had enough of that from Apple, and Google, and Mainstream media for a decade plus.

[lilac reef]

Yeah, I tweeted that idiot too. Showing bias much as the human brain was "trained" on everything it has consciously, and subconsciously, seen to make art and the AI is being shown some of the same things, to a much lesser degree though, so no difference.

Can't copyright a style else everyone would be suing everyone else.

[little plaza]

It's frustrating because there's actual points to be made without misrepresenting what's actually happening....

[vital roost]

hi, i'm very new to this. can sommeone help me? I ran deforum but can't find the mp4

[winter pike]

in civitai, but CarHelper for SD 2.x in #1047197565365538826 gives very good results

[potent spire]

they should at least separate it from the rest

and especially force users to label "their" art as AI generative art

and not something that they claim to have made

and/or give users the opportunity to make AI generative art dissapear from their feed etc.

[round juniper]

Anyone feel like helping me out real quick?

[peak orchid]

Apparently Karla Ortiz is pro-NFT lol (many of the anti-AI folks try to lump AI in with NFTs as a derogatory insult, so I wonder how that's going to work out for her): https://twitter.com/kortizart/status/1369419865111597060

[winter pike]

yes like a tag, or maybe its already implemented, i dont use artstation

[potent spire]

yes, and someone who doesnt label "his" AI art as such should be banned

and some of them deserve to be sued

[long marten]

imo the right answer (for artstation specifically) is to ban unedited generations from midjourney, SD1.4 / 1.5 / 2.0, NAI, DE2, NijiJourney, and the rest of the generators we know or have fairly substantial resons to beleve were trained on unconsenting artist data. Practically, it would have the same effect as banning AI art, while leaving the door open for future models that are trained on open or proprietary data that these companies actually own

[potent spire]

Adobe is unironically the good big brother in all of this at this point

as much as those haters cry about Adobe "policy"

[winter pike]

not banned but maybe shadowbanned

[potent spire]

yeah

a possibility too

[long marten]

But even if they all were banned, you still have to identify AI art and enforce the rules. I'm not sure we can do that without a lot of false positives, and false negatives. In such a scenario I can imagine some number of painters getting banned because their work looks like midjourney, which would be its own rather hilarious internet shitstorm

[uneven wasp]

Pretty much every time I’ve come across an AI art page that looks like AI art they always label it in the bio already, across different platforms

[potent spire]

usually you can tell the difference, especially if you are a pro

but sure

[round juniper]

Are there definitive ways to tell if art is AI?

[potent spire]

sometimes its hard

and then there are inpainted pics

edited

[round juniper]

Hasn’t it gotten to the point where it’s indistinguishable?

[potent spire]

no

[round juniper]

*sometimes

[long marten]

http://aiorart.com/ Let's see how you do 😏

[peak orchid]

The mods of r/art on Reddit have an official policy of "fuck you, get banned" if your handmade art looks too much like "AI art"

[winter pike]

yeah they usually say when their art is ai assisted

[potent spire]

even then you can tell especially if you are skilled

[narrow sluice]

That is pretty annoying

[fervent thunder]

I wish I had this to cheat when I was in school lol.

[uneven wasp]

Definitive, no. But still possible, and there’s most likely quantitative approaches (color space distribution etc) that can be learned from a very simple classifier

[broken pollen]

What would classify as edited
"Uhh yes I added a smiley in the right corner and my name on the right corner"

[potent spire]

this whole AI generative stuff should actually be regulated

and not be let full free

regulate it

[narrow sluice]

Or if you're too good and banned because it's mistaken as AI Art

[long marten]

I got 7/10. 5/10 is placebo / coinflip. Some people are better than me, but even actual concept artists I've shown this to only get around 80-90% accurate. Big error comes in the form of false positives

[potent spire]

force the companies to mark the stuff they generate

[uneven wasp]

Hand painted color spaces and frequency distributions aren’t going to be the same as has drawn ones just due to the way the model works

[potent spire]

like AI watermark

so you can instantly see its AI work

mark them all

[long marten]

I'd say if you paint on top of MJ that pushes it back into the realm of fair use. Like a photobasher concept artist who paints on top after collaging photo elements

[potent spire]

i mean technically you can observe that anyway

[round juniper]

develps AI to un-Ai watermark your art

[narrow sluice]

They can't do NSFW deepfakes of folks, there's already certain things you can't do with it.

[potent spire]

since AI generative art has "marks" that show that it isnt hand painted

[peak orchid]

I think we should work even harder at making open source AI for everyone to freely use, so that the AI driven future is more democratic rather than controlled by the rich and powerful.

[potent spire]

i know

[uneven wasp]

I’ve heard this exists somewhere already

[round juniper]

Good god

[potent spire]

that was not the actual point even tho i dont fully agree with you

[narrow sluice]

Also, what about folks who want to incorporate it into professional artworks?

[potent spire]

with free i didnt mean financially free

[uneven wasp]

The current watermarking is just metadata and not that good

[potent spire]

i meant free to do what they ewant

want

[narrow sluice]

Like paint over it.

[potent spire]

that would be a case that would be debatable, indeed

[uneven wasp]

Some software sees it as a corrupted file

[narrow sluice]

If everything is watermarked, a la Shutterstock with those big semi-transparent ones, you can't use it for professional uses.

[potent spire]

i mean you can but not for all cases

[narrow sluice]

For stuff like landscapes, it can probably destroy the whole image

[potent spire]

you still can use them for referencing and ideas

[lilac reef]

I don't tweet much but when I see someone being Kamala Harris and saying stupid shit by throwing out a word salad as that one did it triggers me into tweeting them.

[narrow sluice]

Well, I mean, there's very valid points for Watermarking, but at some point, we're going to hit AI art that is pro grade

We're still at the early stages

People can still improve the tech

[potent spire]

wdym by pro grade? 😄

[winter pike]

auto1111 itself have a "Do not add watermark to images" option, which is disabled by default

[narrow sluice]

Indistinguishable from anything on Artstation

[potent spire]

oh, unless Ai becomes sentient i doubt this will happen + lawsuits are coming

[narrow sluice]

That's not really speculation since we're actually pretty much most of the way.

[long marten]

if anything I think it would be trivially easy to make an AI image detector, from my understanding of adversarial training you get a detector automatically through the training process

the "Adversary" of the generator is literally an AI detector. they can probably do way better than humans

[potent spire]

its a speculation actually

[uneven wasp]

Yea and the low vram optimization I was using pre-a1111 had it stripped out by default.

[narrow sluice]

The few things we're missing for AI wise is ironically perspective detection and such

[narrow sluice]

I mean that's the natural progression

[broken pollen]

AI or real? in #🏞｜general-with-images

[potent spire]

i mean first of all AI cant achieve some of the big advantages actual artists and especially pro artists have on their workflow

impossible

[narrow sluice]

Yeah, playing hunt the AI will end up like those Photoshop or not detectors image wise

[potent spire]

unless sentient AI

[uneven wasp]

Some Depth aware diffusion models work pretty well at perspective/proportion.

[long marten]

imo its too bad that, through their impotent response, artstation is playing into "artists vs AI" narrative. There's no reason it has to be that way. The narrative needs to be spun into "artists vs anti-copyrighted-material-model-training"

[narrow sluice]

Not currently, but later on.

[potent spire]

and also AI regulations are coming

[narrow sluice]

Yeah, I wish there's a better way that ML researchers can get permissible datasets

[narrow sluice]

Cause if you use current copyright laws as basis, you can't use 99% of stuff anywhere

It's pretty beeped

[broken pollen]

I have seen an artist go full pro with AI
Like idk if they weren't an ai before cause of just how much they can draw and the stuff they produce is almost the same

[round juniper]

“What is my purpose”

“You make really shit hentai”

“Oh my god”

[potent spire]

Adobe could be the saviour anyway in the near future

[long marten]

same with HarmonAI and company. They're still in the tech dev stage where they're saying "look at the cool shit we get when we train a model on Pink Floyd's discography!"
Once their models get really convincingly pink-floyd-y there will be legal and internet mob troubles coming their way too

[potent spire]

for artists

[narrow sluice]

Why bother making AI if current copyright laws don't allow you to use most of everything?

Don't bother with medical use either

[uneven wasp]

Current copyright laws don’t prohibit training on copyrighted data

[potent spire]

[solemn hill]

I'm from Russia. Who is this "copyright" guy?

[serene hare]

I don't think anyone knows what future AI legislation is going to look like or how the current laws interact with image generation even.

[narrow sluice]

Yeah, but try explaining that to the art crowd

[potent spire]

the issue isnt just with training but yeah i dont agree on everything 100% of the critics

[worthy oriole]

You might be totally right, but considering how images created by AI have improved in the last 2 years I find "impossible" a word too strong 😄

[potent spire]

but on the rest im really on their side

in this protest

[long marten]

I'm sure HarmonAI will try to sell AI music from a band called "Ponk Floode", they will make some startups that lets anyone make Penk Flewd music for free. And then real musicians will clue into the fact that the startups are monetizing unlicensed IP and there will be yet another shitshow

[uneven wasp]

It’s not the art crowd that actually needs to be convinced, only the legislators and judges do

[narrow sluice]

Essentially, if you try to make an AI which detects tumors, you're going to run into using patient X-rays and such folks don't consent to.

[potent spire]

the word "impossible" is controversial i know. But unless this AI becomes sentient i dont see any possible way to reach at least some of the advantages of the manual work

[long marten]

Twelve-Inch Nails, the new AI grunge band just dropped their 28 hour progressive album

[potent spire]

with manual i also mean AI assisted

not just pure manual

[untold nymph]

All the money is on the AI side. So, I think we can reliably predict where things will go.

[uneven wasp]

If someone feels like a technology is an existential threat to them, they will always find another issue with it to hate it for.

[narrow sluice]

AI assisted is going to be hella grey areas

[round juniper]

Y’all ever put the negative prompts in the positive?

[potent spire]

but not on the fanatical prompters side

since some prompters and users of AI generative art are already cancerous to the whole art world

[solemn hill]

Any law is as good as it is enforcible. The more people are using the tools, the more accessible they are, the less likely the nanny state is to have enough cops for everyone.

[narrow sluice]

Like AI is low effort, I can give it that. I don't agree with it being low quality.

[lilac reef]

I just hope by the time all this gets to that point these 80+ yo politicians are retired either to sunset years or in the grave cause they can't even work a smartphone, so I sure don't want them passing legislation about AI.

[serene hare]

I really doubt that new legislation is going to satisfy anyone really, I can't see a future where all copyright material is allowed for any type of training for any purpose, and I can't see a future where image gen models are banned or whatever.

[potent spire]

AI art has a big potential, but manual done art and artists becoming obsolete is a whole different thing

[long marten]

I'm sure Disney and Warner Brothers would already have sued da poopoo out of these startups if they weren't also neck deep in ML research

[uneven wasp]

The ban state isn’t actually a real ban, but rather putting it in the same situation as pirating movies.

[narrow sluice]

My biggest fear is the Anti-Art crowd screwing over copyright and fair use over AI training.

[potent spire]

Adobe is btw on the way to get into the Ai generative art business too

and we know that

[narrow sluice]

And everyone is going to suffer

[serene hare]

Eh, legally speaking this is all extremely young. We aren't even a year in public perception wise.

[worthy oriole]

There are countries where there is already legistlation explicit about allowing to use copyright content for training...
Japan changed it anticipating that there was going to be drama, to make it clear 😄

[lilac reef]

Fair use has been dead for a while now and dead 100% on Youtube.

[long marten]

any serious legislation win by the artist camp would just be an epic self-own, because then nobody could train models & exploit AI except for IP holders, like disney and warner brothers

[lilac reef]

Which is where I bet it heads

[long marten]

when artists don't have access to next gen art tools and Disney / WB do, then they're really fucked 😂

[serene hare]

Those TDM laws weren't in reference to generative models, I expect that a lot of that is going to change once pressure starts to get applied by countries whos economies have a larger stake in protecting IP

[round juniper]

I don’t remember when or how long ago, but I saw someone go on a tirade about how AI art is backbreaking

[narrow sluice]

Yeah, but it's already bad, the Anti-AI art crowd doesn't know what they're wishing for.

[round juniper]

Something about making it look nice takes a lot of prompts or something lmao

[lilac reef]

I agree

[narrow sluice]

It will screw over other industries

[lilac reef]

Old adage applies (chopping off their nose to spite their face).

[narrow sluice]

A super selfish wish

[serene hare]

I'm honestly hoping that the inevitable legislation just targets the most egregious versions of training or something and that copyright doesn't get too many tweaks.

[solemn hill]

I think it's being led by upper-middle class merch sellers who are pissed that they won't be able to sell junk produced by Chinese kids.

[uneven wasp]

the YouTube copyright strike system is brilliant from a liability and business standpoint (the opposite for users) but it makes copyright takedowns an order of magnitude easier and more abusable. A peer into a world of more draconian Copyright laws

[narrow sluice]

Me too, but again, what that crowd is asking for may ensure their own works are affected

[potent spire]

there is no leader in that and also i give them right in this conflict

[long marten]

Russians in chat are going to be the next Hollywood if we legislate ourselves out of the ability to use these tools freely, and they don't because they don't respect american copyright law

[potent spire]

i wouldnt want some skillless douchebag to steal my artwork and even identity and sell it under his name on Stock or wherever

[long marten]

maybe I'll immigrate to Russia

[karmic finch]

pro-ai don't know what they're getting into either though

on the long run AI will only be a tool for actual artists since any1 can write prompts

[long marten]

do russians like english speaking immigrants

[worthy oriole]

Really? Well, let's see.
But if there is legislation that forbids that, what are they going to do with the LLM ? Those are also training in copyrighted material.
No sane country should legislate to stop them, they are probably going to be very important in the next years...

[narrow sluice]

The reason why YT has such a system is, this is why people don't get nice things by breaking the law

I miss days when the worst folks did was host illegal movies

[uneven wasp]

People won’t sue you if you put their hands in your cookie jar

[potent spire]

ofc many dont, look up the SD reddit

[worthy oriole]

I mean, good luck to Open AI training GPT-4 only on copyright free text

[potent spire]

full of cancer

i dont mean the art itself

[serene hare]

Yeah, that'd be a pretty worst case scenario, but from my perspective fan art is already completely illegal basically it's not going to become 200% illegal or something.

[potent spire]

but i mean the people and their mouth

[long marten]

copyright free text

[uneven wasp]

Once every couple months I still get recommended a forgotten full movie upload to yt. Like early 2000’s bad ratings production company went defunct type stuff

[long marten]

hilariously absurd

[karmic finch]

its just so weird lol, i saw some saying that it will open doors for "new jobs" but in reality it will pay worst than someone at a call center if it ever becomes an actual job

[untold nymph]

How many millions is the Midjourney discord alone up to now? I'll take that as a metric of public support and direct funding contribution to lobbying.

[narrow sluice]

When Popular Commissions Twitter fanartists are anti-AI, but then you bring up the IP infringement of their income with most fandoms. And taxes.

[lilac reef]

Yep. Write your own song, perform your own song, and someone claims it. It is hell to remove it because they go back to the claimant and ask if them if they are for real (over simplifying). Of course they are going to say they meant it.

[solemn hill]

Kinda. I literally went to party in style of Prohibition era US yesterday where only speaking in English was allowed, it was crowded.
Also, Baldy really shills for AI.
http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/69927/videos

[uneven wasp]

A lot of fan art can be argued as falling with the statutory requirements for fair use

[narrow sluice]

If anyone wants to call out hypocrisy, I will absolutely do so.

[serene hare]

I think LLMs are probably going to get legislated too, they're much more prone to overfitting than generative image models, the direct damage that can be done with them is far higher, and the resources they require almost necessitate centralization at this point, all things that make it easier to legislate.

[narrow sluice]

They fail the transformative portion

Which is the reason why copyright exists

[potent spire]

oh yeah and now i see all those scammers and false promise videos on Youtube with those clickbait titles "how you can become rich with AI art"

[narrow sluice]

Copyright protects "likeness"

[karmic finch]

NFTs all over again

[long marten]

really? Even as a regular human and not as a character in an IP?

[serene hare]

A lot of it can't be really, companies are free to sue people who create derivative works of their properties. Almost all fan art that exists exists because companies either don't know about them or tacitly accept it as free advertising.

[potent spire]

yeah

[long marten]

also maybe I should google what fair use actually is

[narrow sluice]

Yeah, actors call sell their likenesses, paying royalties

[potent spire]

but those comments werent the ones that pissed me most off

[solemn hill]

What is the state of SD in other non-English speaking communities?

[serene hare]

That depends on the country, in the US you own your own likeness, this isn't true everywhere.

[long marten]

All I know about fair use is that h3h3 did some lawsuit about fair use and won, and that set precedent for fair use for something or other

[potent spire]

as long as they dont sell them

because as soon as you want to sell your spiderman fan art you will need likely not 1 but 2 licenses from Marve

Marvel

first for character and second for logo i think

im not sure anymore

[narrow sluice]

https://fairuse.stanford.edu/overview/fair-use/four-factors/

[serene hare]

Fair use is also a defense for when copyright is infringed. If you are being sued for copyright, you need to prove that your works are fair use.

[long marten]

so like how come Midjourney isn't getting sued by the fact that I can make a rocket raccoon eating a hamburger with mickey mouse, which they then sell to me for some very small fee?

[lilac reef]

I am suing you then I need to prove not the defendant. That is so ass backwards.

[solemn hill]

BLM should have won.

[dark hemlock]

what

[solemn hill]

Less popo = less enforcible copyright

[narrow sluice]

AI is transformative, technically speaking

[serene hare]

I don't think anyone knows, we don't even know that they aren't being sued right now, this is all new.

[uneven wasp]

Yea I’m aware that’s why I deleted the “transformative isn’t in the ig factors” as soon as I sent it.

[long marten]

If I then make an NFT of my rocket raccoon burger pic and sell it on opensea, how does that work

[narrow sluice]

That being said, IP infringement usually isn't chased unless you profit from it

[serene hare]

you could be sued potentially

[long marten]

but MJ already sold the image to me! I'm just the guiltless middleman baby!! an aftermarket merchant, a speculator on mickey mouse images

[serene hare]

the litigant in copyright infringement only needs to prove the infringement.

[karmic finch]

this

or at least until you make enough profit for the company to care*

[dark hemlock]

Just sell em on ebay

[lilac reef]

Which shows how far out of whack the system is

[uneven wasp]

The other 3 factors are pretty much in favor of most fan art, it gets sticky for the first one: transformative.

[narrow sluice]

Which is why making fanart and fanfiction for free is encouraged, but there's some weird stuff with certain companies like Disney, Nintendo will go after you.

[narrow sluice]

Aka, how different is this from the OG work?

[karmic finch]

nintendo is so annoying

[potent spire]

why so? What do they do?

[long marten]

Maybe I should start making Midjourney Yoshi NFTs to test how that copyright law works

[narrow sluice]

Oh yeah, remember how many Pokémon fan games have been shut down?

[serene hare]

I think that it would be pretty weird for litigants to have to speculate about someone elses intentions and process.

[potent spire]

but for a good reason?

[narrow sluice]

Disney will sue your bum if you make any fan games

[potent spire]

oh

[karmic finch]

don't remind me, some of them had so much potential even if they weren't planed to be fully playable (some were just testing stuff or for learning purposes)

[potent spire]

lol

but thats understandable

i thought you speak about fan art itself

making a game out of something that is protected with licenses and copyright is illegal

[dark hemlock]

I think anti ai artists should just accept change and the technology will only get better by time progresses

[long marten]

Maybe if I burn the evidence prompt data after making 10,000 yoshi images, they can't prove I just typed in a prompt that happens to look very much like yoshi but is in fact a completely different character. Dosh-E. The character that makes me lots of dosh

[narrow sluice]

They're all under the same umbrella, fan games, tournaments, merch, music, etc.

[potent spire]

unless you pay or ask for license

[uneven wasp]

You can have something be transformative with less difference if it affects the meaning/understanding and non transformative for something with a larger difference. Tho ig that’s more of how abstract of a line you draw difference at.

[lilac reef]

A litigant could be either party. Fact is the one who is suing should have to prove everything as no defendant should have to prove their innocence. Innocence is presumed in the USA.

[karmic finch]

that already exists, thats why u can make parodies

[potent spire]

but understandable why they crush those

[narrow sluice]

Copyright and fair use is tricky

[uneven wasp]

It depends lol

[potent spire]

if it was only about accepting change...that is benefitial for them at all

[uneven wasp]

It always depends

[serene hare]

I'm sorry, 'the person who is doing the suing then'

[narrow sluice]

The reason why you don't is fans will understandably stop making content to celebrate their creators and move onto fandoms that are okay with it

[lilac reef]

The plaintiffs and defendants are called litigants. Ahhh, the plantiff must prove guilt etc...

[potent spire]

they dont need such "fans" anyway

[narrow sluice]

It's legally okay, but heartbreaking for the people who want to do it.

[karmic finch]

this is as usual a very ignorant comment (sorry i don't really mean to be rude)

no "anti - ai" artist is against AI itself, almost every1 sees the potential it has as a tool, breaking copyright infringement is just wrong and since its a new tech it just needs laws and etc etc for the future just as everything we have and use (tech wise)

[serene hare]

It's like how if you kill someone in self defense you have to prove that it was self defense

[potent spire]

just ask for the license then instead of trying to profit on the back of the company without their consent

[uneven wasp]

Not necessarily in civil court. Not paying your federal taxes is a civil offense but if the IRS takes you to court the burden of proof is on you to prove your innocence.

[lilac reef]

Actually, they have to prove it was murder

[narrow sluice]

Yeah, you think fans are folks obviously not be able to show any love and should only support folks officially.

[dark hemlock]

Ngl in like 2 or 3 years art and ai art will be even more hard to recognize you won't know which one is which

[long marten]

this will probably wind up being a precedent-based legal ruling unless they actually invent new laws to handle the AI art exception

[lilac reef]

Yes, 100% which is why it shows how the IRS is really extortion

[narrow sluice]

Like whenever I draw art of any character, I should totally ask permission

[solemn hill]

"breaking copyright infringement is just wrong" Since when? Copying isn't theft.

[serene hare]

https://open.lib.umn.edu/criminallaw/chapter/5-2-self-defense/#:~:text=First%2C with exceptions%2C the defendant,objectively reasonable under the circumstances.

[dark hemlock]

I have a feeling some country is gonna ban it for that reason

[potent spire]

as soon as you try to commercialise it, yes

[dark hemlock]

like a random country

[uneven wasp]

What the law is, what the law should be, and what the moral course for action is are 3 independent questions

[narrow sluice]

Also Disney

[long marten]

this one thing I feel isn't stressed enough. Most of the artist camp seems to think in zero-sum terms, and not "more goodness for everyone" terms. Is it stealing an apple if you could just copypaste an apple

[dark hemlock]

Still love my ronaldo ai pfp

[narrow sluice]

Look at how many fairy tales they've commercialized lol

[karmic finch]

and it will become useless as it is, when something is so abundant it loses all value

idk how far it will go though I can see it speeding up stuff for that aritsts themselves (take LoR artworks, its not just about a nice paiting but storytelling) but if someone is gonna win from all of this is not the common folks

[potent spire]

i mean thats the difference between fan art and those fan made games, the latter ones are easily for profits

[narrow sluice]

But yeah, I guess public domain is technically fair game.

[narrow sluice]

Fan games that are free lol

[potent spire]

people make fan games and then put their Paypal or other stuff in for people to spend money

[uneven wasp]

Only their changes are copyrighted by them tho. Case in point del toros Pinocchio

[karmic finch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Viy3Cu3DLk

this guy explains it better than i could tbh, so there's that if u wanna dig into it

[karmic finch]

china already banned all AI if i remember correctly?

[uneven wasp]

No they just consolidated it into the state

[dark hemlock]

sell the art on eBay

[lilac reef]

Yeah, that is BS right there and shows just how far towards communism "guilty until proven innocent" we have fallen.

[solemn hill]

I disagree. I already see thousands of Ugandan kids flooding the internet with generated pregnant Sonic fanarts. All they need is some guides in Swahili.

[narrow sluice]

Don't forget stuff like adding lyrics to public domain songs, or how performances by an orchestra is copyrighted, even if the music is from the 17th century

[dark hemlock]

that's crazy, didn't they also make the internet limited for a few hours a day or smth

[karmic finch]

thats exactly my point though, how much would u pay if u see thousands of those sonics or whatever, any1 can do it every1 can do it, any1 can write prompts

obviously we're at the peak where every1 is interested and into it, it will definitely lose its flavor in a couple of months when it gets even more flooded than it is now

[narrow sluice]

For teens

[dark hemlock]

damn

[karmic finch]

only for kids

[dark hemlock]

that's still sad

[uneven wasp]

Or recordings of an audio book.

[karmic finch]

idk they do have a very high % of people being addicted to games though, idk i'm biased, if its for a greater good it might do the trick, after age 18 and when you're an adult you're free to do as you please though

[long marten]

yahhh watching that samdoesarts video, theres a place and a platform for "whatever-AI-Art" but it's not Artstation, right now anyway, and basically every company in the field is making some serious copyright missteps that may cost them down the road. It seems the problem is that there isn't a sufficient open data set. They should probably work together to get on that

[narrow sluice]

Yeah, that's why if we talk face value, if we used only public domain or permissible IP for AI training, many of us who were interested in the first place may not even bother with the tech.

And that's the sad part

[karmic finch]

don't they lose copyright after certain years? or was this only for cartoons? me watching the new slasher for winnie the pooh lmao

[narrow sluice]

IDK about cartoons.

[karmic finch]

i do wonder why the double standard when it comes to music and not visual arts

music is so very well protected

[lilac reef]

Btw, glad it doesn't work like that in my state, and my state does also have "castle doctrine".

[dark hemlock]

I hope midjourney becomes more accessible in the future like free monthly turns

[serene hare]

copyright right now is 70 years after artist death in the us

[narrow sluice]

Art is subjective. Music has only 8 notes

[dark hemlock]

midjourneys a great bot

[narrow sluice]

And yeah

[dark hemlock]

But the limited turns n stuff

[narrow sluice]

It's easier to copyright music than art

Since art can be combined

[solemn hill]

thats exactly my point though, how much would u pay if u see thousands of those sonics or whatever, any1 can do it every1 can do it, any1 can write prompts
Prompts can't do composition, though.
obviously we're at the peak where every1 is interested and into it
No, we aren't . Currently neural networks are extremely obscure. It's a prerogative of 3.5 white dudes. We are pretty much in 1980s Linux territory, and that's why Windows is happening again.

[karmic finch]

but music aswell right?

[dark hemlock]

What symbol did you use

For that

[long marten]

i think midjourney is going to be the most fucked of anyone, if they wind up being forced to reveal their training data 😛

[narrow sluice]

It's 7 notes and the human listening range

[serene hare]

I have a feeling that music is going to be an absolute nightmare for generative systems copyright wise, overfitting a lick when you already have the style in the same vein will get you sued hard.

[long marten]

also, if AI translation of data through a model winds up not being classified as fair use

[narrow sluice]

Sure rhythms and such exist, but you're going to run into music similarities at some point

It's inevitable

[karmic finch]

for the first point oh yeah, thats why i said earlier if anything AI will really only be a great tool for artists themselves rather than the general masses that claim they'll get new jobs and "artists are elitist gatekeeping art" (sorry i always laugh at that comment when pencil and paper is cheap)

[dark hemlock]

bruh people in unstable were born when reagan was president

crazy

[solemn hill]

https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/articles/210298617-Markdown-Text-101-Chat-Formatting-Bold-Italic-Underline-#Block Quotes

[karmic finch]

💀 basically any pop song

[dark hemlock]

No when you typed that sentence

The quote symbol

[potent spire]

yes, besides they cant reach the deepness, vision and control of the actual art and artists

[uneven wasp]

Depends if you can get general pertained diffusion from a licensed dataset. Someone like adobe might be able to train in their own stock image database. Also some social media companies have weird image licensing terms when you sign up that can probably be used to justify it, if training on copyrighted data becomes a problem.

[dark hemlock]

Oh

[karmic finch]

lol

[narrow sluice]

I'm talking super general case, but essentially, most things on the internet are copyrighted

[dark hemlock]

Remember when quote reply was a thing

[serene hare]

I suspect that if a social media company tried to release a generative model people would freak out really hard. Everyone hates how much they use people's data already.

[karmic finch]

at this point all that data is already sold legitimately lmao, with all those dumb apps and people just give them their face for free to use it

[uneven wasp]

I mean most of the stuff you would train on is copyrighted by default from creation, but you grant the company a license when you upload so it really comes down to the disclaimers of the platform you’re scraping

[narrow sluice]

Yeah, I know lol. The biggest problem is essentially people not understanding what licensing is or what it grants or gives

[serene hare]

I'm kind of surprised that pinterest didn't come after these ML companies, isn't scraping against their TOS?

and I know that pinterest is a big part of LAION

[karmic finch]

[uneven wasp]

Acquire an existing company with a good dataset and the right Eula technicalities. It’s horrible PR but at that point the user base isn’t actually why you’re buying it.

[solemn hill]

You mean, like Alisa and CharacterAI?

[narrow sluice]

I wish there's just an easier way of doing stuff, so folks that want to give things out do so, and things they don't want to give out, don't.

[narrow sluice]

I don't even use CAI for that reason

[serene hare]

For some reason people don't seem to care about language models

[narrow sluice]

I've given enough data, nobody needs to know more about my RP stuff

And I am sick of trackers

[forest vale]

@serene hare or their habits,clicks,etc

[lilac reef]

Adobe already has SD in their beta. Very nice last month but needed a bit more work. WHen Adobe releases it in Photoshop to the masses things will change.

[solemn hill]

Well, those who care, seem to do it in a creepy way. I already heard some folks being in obsessive parasocial relationships with bots.

[narrow sluice]

I bet a huge part of SD changing their datasets is they're getting commercial partners who are courting them.

[serene hare]

I mean they don't seem to care about their data being used to make language models.

[lilac reef]

I lay odds

[forest vale]

Use my text,poems,stories etc to train GPT, no problem, its so cool xD.
Use my habits,clicks,attention data to train things to lock my attention into bad habits, Its col cool xD
Use my art, OMG F U

[dark hemlock]

let's swim to the moon uh huh

[long marten]

google AI chatbot is sentient guy entered chat

[narrow sluice]

Faustian deal.
You get, my deepest, darkest, most blackmailable secrets.
I get, OMG catgirl waifu.

[karmic finch]

regarding the second point, not it wasn't cool, those some of those models were tracked and law was enforced though

[lilac reef]

The one thing I drooled over was how you could just change the background or some other stuff. The time savings alone for any workflow will make most artists, and photographers accept this GREATLY. No long will it just be the people rubbing one out over their made up wiafus but mom and pops and others using it in the day to day lives.

[uneven wasp]

Not using photoshop because a feature pisses you off is like switching to Linux: it never lasts that long

[serene hare]

to be fair, if there was ever a proveable case that a company like facebook, twitter or google actually blackmailed a person with their specific information, the current data landscape would explode over night.

[lilac reef]

Yeah, this is why when PS gets it to the masses all of this will change and I mean change fast.

[uneven wasp]

Why wouldn’t they scrub it for “misinformation”

[karmic finch]

im just glad y can deny cookies now when visiting a webpage

[forest vale]

they dont need cookies to track though, fingerprinting is the new rage

they even look at the fonts on your system

[serene hare]

because all the social media companies hate each other and are eager to see their competitors taken down a peg?

[narrow sluice]

Imo, I know that AI art is going to make Art itself accessible, which brings down the value.
The biggest benefits imo with AI art is letting people who can't do art for economic/social reasons, or folks who can't draw in any way now, ie. disabilities, tremors, etc.

[uneven wasp]

Just get the tech in enough peoples hands before by the time it enters the public conscience

[narrow sluice]

It's pretty painful when some of my art friends say they care about their own skins over those people

[karmic finch]

art has always been accessible specially ever since youtube exists

the art panorama of you selling a singles piece for 100k dollars hasn't changed, and it won't even with AI

but thats for another topic

[lilac reef]

Yes.

[narrow sluice]

Yes and no. There's still plenty of folks that are working 2 jobs that can't afford to go into art time wise. AI art really shines in that department.

[uneven wasp]

They don’t seem to use the ammo to criticize each other when they have controversies.

[lilac reef]

I can't draw a stick figure but I have images I would love to get to canvas. I can't play a musical instrument, I tried a few times but the instrument gave me perm muscle, and joint damage, but I can make music on a daw. AI to either is a godsend for me.

[serene hare]

I hope that some small scope legislation will be able to suppress the most market warping tendencies of this tech while still letting normal people express themselves.

[forest vale]

@karmic finch most ppl dont have the time to learn

[uneven wasp]

There are two types of social media companies: large multi billion dollar billion users monoliths and things yet to be acquired

[forest vale]

sure if you got tons of free time, you can learn anything

but most ppl dont have enough free time to spend on learning to do art

[lilac reef]

People forget "starving artist" as most starve requiring a 9 to 5 "regular" job to make ends meet for centuries. Same with acting where 99% of actors have regular jobs to eat with.

[karmic finch]

yeh thats why it has value, because others have to play the russian roulette and get into art studies

[karmic finch]

i mean thats fine by me, they can always just get an app or a game app on their phones and get the same joy tbh

[narrow sluice]

Yeah, when you have disruptive tech like this, not saying artists can't be protected, but I wonder how people are going to react these days when affordable gas cars are out and horse buggy manufacturers are out of a job.
This is a very similar parallel

[karmic finch]

don't really see how AI is gonna change their life though

[forest vale]

@narrow sluice its gonna be hitting tons of areas over the next 20 years

truck drivers,farmers,anything that can be automated

[narrow sluice]

Well, Emad himself has aphasia, so he made SD as a way to draw/visualize stuff

[forest vale]

with what we have 'now' there is already tons of fields that could get totally transformed, let alone the speed of research these days

[serene hare]

I think that a lot of people are going to have a pretty visceral negative reaction when they hear about the data set side of this.

[karmic finch]

too many exception to take into acounts tbh, specially very low% but good for them i guess if thats a soliud argument to be made

[narrow sluice]

That's the tricky part of things, AI art and stuff is tip of the iceberg

[broken pollen]

I think that ai dystopias forgot that AI can be useful and replace humans wayy before they are just as smart as us

[uneven wasp]

I’m waiting for chatgpt style generality where I can go and say “draw me a diagram representing the point of this article”

[narrow sluice]

The AI job disruption part is my actual nightmare

[forest vale]

Ya, and funny enough, no one thought something creative would of been the tip lol

which is wild

[solemn hill]

Make a really pretty religious symbol? A propaganda poster for union? A catchy ad for something they are good at? Get dating advice if they didn't have enough time to communicate with opposite gender? Save money on actual gifts by printing generated portraits?

[serene hare]

I don't even think that artists are the first on the chopping bloack when it comes to ML automation, LLMs are already good enough to push out a lot of low stake intellectual workers.

[narrow sluice]

Art is consistent, and made enough in large amounts, same with code

[serene hare]

People in low stake call centers are going to have a really hard time soon.

[forest vale]

chatGPT, my unit test writer 🤣

[karmic finch]

out of all that garbage i can only rescue the first 2 i guess if u can copyright it lmao

first 3*

[narrow sluice]

Ironically, customer service folks, not the McD ones, are the last to go out. I would argue low cost laborers and childcare workers as well, due to limitations.

[uneven wasp]

They also thought chess would be among the last things AI would figure out before it did. First rule of AI: the last thing you think will be automated because it requires a human touch will be the first

[forest vale]

ya food and AI is a tricky one i think

unless its just a 'pizza bot' etc

[karmic finch]

make mcdonalds automated with AI, im tired of getting my order wrong

[forest vale]

but a robot that could actually cook, that is gonna be harder than self driving tbh

[serene hare]

childcare, laborers and anything high risk will probably be the last if i'm guessing. I just think that a lot of call centers already use pretty horrible bots and ones that are low risk will probably be tempted to hack down their workforce with better ones, especially if they can get a finetune of a LLM doing the job.

[forest vale]

@karmic finch but ya, fast food could easily do it, i dont doubt they R&Ding it

[uneven wasp]

Like the cashiers replaced by a touchscreen?

[narrow sluice]

Anything that is hard for the AI to automate is either super human centered, requires expertise, is very ambiguous instructions wise with many edge cases, or in the case of laborers, bipedal robots that are less maintenance and is overall cheaper

[serene hare]

things like plumbing and electric might be the last honestly lol

[narrow sluice]

Yeah, cashiers are probably replaceable, but ironically not like ones working in super stressful areas

Retail -_-

Pretty sure dealing with Karens is something one can't just AI through, for now

[serene hare]

Retail workers also have the 'advantage' of people wanting to have an employee to complain at

[solemn hill]

What is the good place to discuss stable diffusion webui docs? I want to do internationalization, but the issue is already off the page 0.

[forest vale]

ChatGPT is an advanced language model, i cant not help you with your complaint.

[uneven wasp]

Lol chatbot with good sounding tts and an infinite chain of managers should do the trick

[narrow sluice]

And then you have infinite complaints 🤣

[serene hare]

adversarial Karen LLMs

[forest vale]

harvest the complaint data and find some way to profit from it

[narrow sluice]

Since some complaints turn from legitimate to Karen when folks wait too long and lose their temper

Honestly, I wonder how hard it is to emulate empathy, AI wise?

[uneven wasp]

Emulate? Exactly As hard as getting the training set for it

[narrow sluice]

The answer is...uh oh

Yeah, that is not going to be easy

Since you have to deal with people in so many different scenarios

[uneven wasp]

Well for GPT models the point of fine tuning is to bias the error in terms of the data type you want rather than give it entirely new capability

That’s why they latch on so fast

[forest vale]

i believe openAI is gonna allow some sort of fine-tuning for chatGPT in the future at some point

prob gonna cost an arm and a leg

[narrow sluice]

Looks like entry-level IT folks are going to lose their jobs once that's out

[uneven wasp]

I wonder if zero knowledge computation might be a middle ground between consumer use and not full open source

[narrow sluice]

I wouldn't mind if they can do an data overfitted help desk with very niche topics

[forest vale]

i think the true leap will be when we start seeing some useful neural nets built on new types of compute. One of the hardest differences between real neurons and artificial ones, is that real neurons work via spikes. Where as our current mainstream artificial neural networks have all the neurons 'active' during inference.

like anyone see that company that hooked up real bio neurons into chips ?

[karmic finch]

how long until they rise against us

[narrow sluice]

Actually, has anyone thought about scraping the entire contents of something like StackOverflow and seeing if it can help with certain questions?

[uneven wasp]

I mean we’d all prefer open source and free, but it’s still better than the current status

[forest vale]

they got real neurons connected to a chip, to learn how to play pong

the 'punishment' for doing the task wrong, was disconnecting the neuron from the network

[narrow sluice]

Technically, didn't they make that one artificial cell awhile ago?

[forest vale]

ya, there is also artifical neurons that act way more like real ones

but also ppl hooking up actual bio neurons

[narrow sluice]

Also, we're in some really spicy areas in terms of bioengineering, so we can do wild stuff

[open hawk]

what is up brothers

merry christamss

I'm new here

what is this server about

[narrow sluice]

Just your typical AI bioengineering discussion post

[uneven wasp]

I’ve seen real time learning (or training on a sliding window) for algotrading stuff, but not anywhere else. Neurons don’t need a backdrop training only phase.

[forest vale]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnkoetsier/2020/05/30/ai-startup-combines-mouse-neurons-with-silicon-chips-to-make-computers-smarter-faster/?sh=548e7ac74050

[open hawk]

any of you running StableDiffusion using Google Collab?

[narrow sluice]

Well, I guess the two leaps, imo, making AI integration with people if we're going the artificial neurons and extrapolate with that route. Like how we had smartphones, and then they branched into smartwatches, tablets, AR/VR, that kind of thing.
The other route, and probably the boring one AI development wise is just pushing the envelope, and then once we hit a wall, optimize and make things smaller and easier to use.

[uneven wasp]

The scary thing is if you had a continual AI intelligence/connection enhancement you’d probably adapt to it such that turning it off or removing it would be detrimental to your health

Like muscle atrophy or a drug tolerance.

[narrow sluice]

You know, until you brought up that startup, I forgot how you can integrate AI with other things, both organic and inorganically

[random agate]

Hi

[uneven wasp]

Other guy brought it up I think

[narrow sluice]

There's smart materials, stuff that shrink or changes properties with heat, exposure to light, whatever

[uneven wasp]

Analog neural nets lithographed into nano bots

[narrow sluice]

And then everyone likes to bring up nanobots, which is the progression

Or even stuff for space travel, and more

[uneven wasp]

Actually, imagine how many conditions can be treated by creating nanobots with ai functions (even if they’re static).

[narrow sluice]

Yeah, as they say, this tech can be really good for us...or doom everyone at the same time.

It's kinda crazy to think about, this kind of double-edged tech.

[uneven wasp]

Or both.

[lilac reef]

tech will be really good only if the wealthy allows us to no longer need money (iow, a job). Wealthy getting rid of a need for money? GL with that.

[narrow sluice]

The weirdest part is that money will still exist, even if jobs don't.

[lilac reef]

Yes, so tech will end up bad

[narrow sluice]

Which is kinda the headscratching moment.

[uneven wasp]

Average income will grow enough to support the average bills and subscriptions costs for consumer applications, leading to a similar amount of disposable income.

[lilac reef]

wealth = power and control. wealth needs the impoverished. Tech isn't going to help us in the end until we no longer need money to survive, and thrive.

[narrow sluice]

That's usually the point where everyone transitions to a post-scarcity society. Heck, the Victorians predicted that we should have reached it around the Industrial Revolution, but things haven't gotten better.

[lilac reef]

a lot of jobs were lost then as well

a lot of manual labour jobs but now comes the time when manual labour as well as brainiac jobs go bye bye

[uneven wasp]

Things haven’t gotten better since Victorian England?

[narrow sluice]

Pretty much the reason why it didn't work is the same reason AI is not going to help the average Joe, it's the market makers holding onto the wealth from the human savings.

[fervent thunder]

I hope people programmers are still going to be around and not just AI programmers

[karmic finch]

a lot of things should already have been more automated by now but people have fought back harder so there's is truth in that statement

[lilac reef]

Nope

[fervent thunder]

Why should an AI do all of the programming work

[narrow sluice]

No, what that meant is that machines could have automated so much more, but people pushed back.

[fervent thunder]

I want to write my own programs

[lilac reef]

Does it faster, and cost next to nothing.

[narrow sluice]

So we create the world we live in

AI is a tool like everything else, in that sense.

[lilac reef]

You don't program the holodeck you give it the parameters to run within.

Same thing will happen here

[fervent thunder]

I hope Codecademy will still be around

[lilac reef]

No need

[fervent thunder]

Codecademy is not going away anytime soon

[lilac reef]

tbh, I am surprised it still is around. I remember them from 20 years ago

[karmic finch]

its already dead

hail ai

[fervent thunder]

Codecademy is awesome

[uneven wasp]

How effective was the pushback long term though? The Luddite’s failed, and I’m not convinced there were many options where it would be more efficient to automate and they didn’t solely because of push back

[fervent thunder]

I am taking a computer science career path using Codecademy

I am also working on an AI programming course using Codecademy

[uneven wasp]

I predict programming will turn into writing specs rather than algorithms

[narrow sluice]

Actually, if you think about it, folks using computers back in the 80/90s needed to know how the computer worked, inside and out, to make them do stuff.
Kids these days may have similar resources, and even more tools, but you ask them what a save button icon is, and they give you a blank stare.

[fervent thunder]

As long as AI does not become Skynet and 1984 Big Brother, everything should be fine with AI. Oh wait, AI already is 1984 Big Brother.

[narrow sluice]

wat

[lilac reef]

left an h off there

[uneven wasp]

You don’t need a panopticon with AI, which was half the point of the 1984 surveillance

[karmic finch]

its scary to think 10 years from now at this rate

[fervent thunder]

Twitter censored posts

[narrow sluice]

Don't need it, I went full slang cause that gave me a brain fart

[fervent thunder]

Twitter used AI to censor the posts

[lilac reef]

LOL

[karmic finch]

upload my consciousness to be part of the AI cloud and make me inmortal

[lilac reef]

No fucking thanks

[narrow sluice]

AI is a tool like everything else

[karmic finch]

for now

[fervent thunder]

The Terminator movies taught me to not trust AI

[narrow sluice]

If they go sentient, I mean, yeah.

[uneven wasp]

“Upload your consciousness” you mean making a copy that infers what you would do and then killing the real you?

[lilac reef]

I don't want to be immortal unless I had the ability of flight to other planets, solar systems and galaxies so I could get away from people.

[karmic finch]

thats the only scary part, hopefully i won't be alive to live it

[karmic finch]

for the greater good

[fervent thunder]

At least Stable Diffusion is not like Skynet.

[narrow sluice]

The Terminator movies and real AI are probably nothing alike.
It's like Hollywood hacking vs real hacking.

[lilac reef]

The greater good is a lie

[fervent thunder]

Stable Diffusion UI is annoying trying to block every NSFW image

I want to block every NSFW image from generating

The negative prompt has a limit

I have to balance the negative prompt with the input prompt

[narrow sluice]

Hollywood hacking - major database hacked in seconds.
Real hacking - get a clipboard and walk into the HQ and get the source code

[uneven wasp]

Wasn’t there an NSFW filter by default

[narrow sluice]

There was

[fervent thunder]

NSFW still got through

[uneven wasp]

My head cannon for Hollywood hacking is that it’s already hacked and they’re just typing in a ridiculous long ssh password

[narrow sluice]

Because a certain type of illegal NSFW was generated and they had to put on the filters

[uneven wasp]

Yea SAI got on that real quick

[fervent thunder]

I have been working on a better negative prompt list

[uneven wasp]

(A) I really didn’t need to read some of that shit in a sequence
(B) the :10 needs to be within the parenthesis to weight afaik

[fervent thunder]

Sorry. I did mention it was a NSFW prompt. I apologize for posting it.

[indigo meadow]

Thank you, @halcyon moat !!!

[halcyon moat]

I aim to be thorough with scammers!

[uneven wasp]

Not blaming you, I knew it was an nsfw prompt and it was spoilered. Just that a laundry list of stuff that should be avoided in images is bit jarring change of tone. No worries; it’s life.

[wide juniper]

I’ve been using anything v3 to develop my solo visual novel project, and I’ve been thinking about training the model to preferred to output characters that use my eye style and make it output less shitty fingers? Do you think it’s worth the time?

[dark hemlock]

[peak orchid]

As amazing as Stable Diffusion, Midjourney, and others are, there is so much it can't do. I constantly find myself trying to work around its limitations when possible, but even that isn't possible for some things. Like for example earlier today I tried to create SCP-3008 (the infinite IKEA interior where people have the survive in), and I couldn't get anything satisfactory. There are plenty of other examples too, but I can't help but feel like we are still a ways off truly unlocking the full human creative potential in AI and this saddens me.

[vapid tangle]

dewd

[wide juniper]

I’m working on a project that specifically takes advantage of what it CAN do. I agree with you and I think you have to include SD in your ideation process. There’s a lot it CAN do right now, so let it be. If you could try to coerce it you just get burned

[dark hemlock]

Glass onion among us

[vapid tangle]

have u messed with Training? Also consider how far SD alone has come in the last 3 months. These next few years are going to be mind blowing, I guarantee it

[robust arrow]

when training in dreambooth extension , can you add your captions to the image instead of creating text files ... for example the first image that I would be training on would be called " photo of (randomname) wearing an orange hoodie" and image two would be " photo of (randomname) wearing a black shirt in front of tall bushes

[dusky pebble]

can you give an example of how you use it?

[lilac reef]

sucks when you were planning on getting a 4060 only to see that a 4070 is less than what a 4060 was supposed to be so 4060 will be rubbish. I hope AMD get's their drivers fixed but they have always had rubbish drivers.

[dusky pebble]

what CPU would be good with the 4090?

[lilac reef]

AMD 7700X

7900X looks sweet too

[dusky pebble]

Is it OK to mix AMD/nVIDIA?

[wide juniper]

I’m doing a visual novel with Anything v3. It doesn’t understand how to have a girl sleep on the lap of another girl, but it’s good at having them fall asleep on each other’s shoulders. So I let sd generate what it likes and I adjust my story to it

I plan to do a dress-up party too

[lilac reef]

I found it to be the perfect combo for years and mix AMD gpu with Intel always seemed to be the best combo though these days they all work fine together.

[dusky pebble]

What about 4090 with 13900k?

[lilac reef]

Sure, I just don't like wasting my money on Intel, and the 7900X is like the 13700k.

[wide juniper]

If say a gpu costs 2.5k usd today, how much do you guys think it will cost in a year? Just wondering how much prices drop for top end GPUs vs normal ones

[lilac reef]

Nowadays I throw my hands up with greed, the impending global recession, chip shortages, etc...

[wide juniper]

Chip shortage still a thing?

I mean COVID has gotten manageable these days, no?

[lilac reef]

Lockdowns

Supply chain issues too, and just when you thought it was over new strains have risen.

It will never be over

[rancid heart]

hello all hows everything

[robust arrow]

when using the dreambooth extension , where do the preview images save ? i dont see them in my outputs folder & they dont pop up in the webui. can someone help me please, i am trying to track my progress

nevermind, it had to do with the Use Lifetime Steps checkbox. i found them

[sharp pendant]

does anyone have a site that lists all the cool open source image models ?

[frail jay]

I think huggingface is probably a good place to start

[sharp pendant]

i need some models that will generate good images for small brands , any idea?

[frail jay]

I would say most have the potential to accomplish that. Each model has its strengths and weaknesses as well as a wide range of plugins that can dramatically change the output. Whether or not you are able to accomplish your goal may depend on what exactly the customer requirements are.

[sharp pendant]

for instance, I would like a meme generator… but no way there is a working model for that… would have to input text and I know how hard that is

[frail jay]

The primary challenge with that application is probably more along the lines of translating the user input of plain English into a prompt engineered input that's usually required to get high quality output.

[wide juniper]

China? Don’t other countries that don’t have lockdowns make chips too?

[lilac reef]

Taiwan but they are having issues as well

[wide juniper]

Taiwan doesn’t have lockdowns right? The roller skaters there practice without masks now

[lilac reef]

Yeah, none there that I know of but the silicon comes from China

this is the problem with a global economy where we rely upon one, or two, countries for every damn thing.

Just think about it that if Covid really had become what they feared and 4 billion lay dead and their entire country was just gone. Yeah, the whole world would be screwed EVEN if the virus never managed to escape their country in that scenario.

[ivory wind]

How do you block someone who is just spamming soft porn in a thread

[lilac reef]

right click their name block

[sharp pendant]

what is the difference really?

[ivory wind]

I thought I was blocking an individual and apparently I blocked dreambot need help to undo that move

[ivory wind]

I thought I was blocking them and I ended up blocking dreambot how do I undo that

[subtle lintel]

How do I use this algorithm

I open the webpage but it’s a grey page

It has nothing

I see dope anime works but I can’t do a thing

How do I use it

[ivory wind]

It won't unblock dreambot.. help!

[tough salmon]

I had a prompt include focus on face and the generated image was just ass and legs. Just funny to me.

[late plume]

I just realize that I've been staring at hands the whole time I've been watching this anime. thanks to sd i now feel deep satisfaction looking at perfectly drawn hands..

[fervent thunder]

What GPU should I buy next?

I want a GPU that works well for Stable Diffusion

I already have GTX 1650 Super 4 GB Vram

[vapid tangle]

well whats ur budget

[fervent chasm]

you basically need 8 gb vram minimum to run this thing properly. I'm waiting for rtx 40 series in laptops

[barren mulch]

3090 or 4090

[brazen fox]

Why stop there- go straight to the H100

80GB of datacenter goodness

[uneven wasp]

He's floated the idea around on twitter, but afaik SAI hasn't actually formally announced or confirmed anything.

[hearty pine]

When I download stable diffusion from github, is it just the model alone and I have to train the model with pictures? Or is it a pre-trained model where I can prompt it straight away?

[robust coral]

it is pre-trained, and you can also train it yourself. you can download the official 2.x models from here https://huggingface.co/stabilityai

[hearty pine]

What is the GPU specs for training stable diffusion? I would expect the specs for training is far higher than for running the model, right?
I tried to google for the specs but the specs I found is for running the model, not training it

[brazen fox]

There's more than one kind of training- training the model with Dreambooth (so adding actual information to the model) requires more for instance than Textual Inversion (which is guiding the model towards a certain result). TI can be done with as little as 6GB vram, while DB usually requires at least 8-10GB.

TI is great for styles (say, van Gogh or something) while Dreambooth is better at subjects. However, Dreambooth creates files that are multiple GB, while TI are tiny really flexible files of a couple KB

[urban violet]

Do you think it’s possible to make something similar to Niji Journey to run on Stable Diffusion?

[brazen fox]

depends on your resources- SD will probably get there in time but MJ has engineers dedicated to basically making it as easy as possible to get certain results

Not many people know exactly what's behind MJs pipeline but it is speculated that they have tons of ways to improve prompts their users try, and lots of addons/hypernetworks/embeddings/special sauce that make it much harder to have 'ugly' results- but this also comes at the cost of flexibility

[urban violet]

I heard of CyberJourneyv4 which was trained with images from Midjourney v4 and runs on Stable Diffusion.

https://huggingface.co/tolerantpancake/CyberJourneyv4/tree/main

[brazen fox]

It's not hard to train something on images generated by MJ- however, it's nowhere close to actual MJ (no offense @scarlet falcon)

it lacks the pipelines for consistent 'good' results

but using embeddings is a great way to improve your generations

[urban violet]

So how do I train Stable Diffusion to use Midjourney to make cool images?

This is what I have found.

A cyberpunk embed trained on images from MidJourney V4, trained on SD2.0 Model

https://huggingface.co/tolerantpancake/CyberJourneyv4/tree/main

[brazen fox]

CyberJourney for instance is Textual Inversion- so that involved generating images with MJ, (possibly) captioning them, and letting your gpu rip for a bit

[urban violet]

I hope someone could do the same with anime images to be just like Niji Journey.

[brazen fox]

There's a ton of anime embeddings and models out there (google CivitAI, it's a website where people can upload finetunings) but I don't know if those are exactly what you're looking for

[urban violet]

Stable Diffusion could barely make anime characters and is limited to making only original if you have anything v3 or just bootleg versions of anime characters.

[brazen fox]

We also have a #1047197565365538826 channel here where some users upload embeds/models

[urban violet]

I have not heard about that.

[brazen fox]

I'm not at all into anime though so no clue about the specific things out there for that

[signal dome]

Man this server grew fast . I remember i came at 1800 members around

[hidden knoll]

hello, can I ask questions about using different SD models here?

I am want to use a trained model like lets say, anything 3.0 with WebUI1111 do I just need the model? Which is the ckpt file? Or are there weights or other files needed with that

[uneven wasp]

the ckpt and yaml

just copy and rename the yaml from anything v3.0's base model (I believe it's the 1.5 base .yaml, you can find it in the configs in the repo for 1.5)

[verbal meadow]

Hi guys, I have only 6gb vRAM, and i tried to train a hypernetwork, but it fails because of low vRAM.
Is there a service online that I can use to train a model? Then import that into my SD and run the model locally

[crimson veldt]

why are all the models not in one place but rather scattered around, ive seen some models on reddit and some on discord which are not yet on civit ai

[left knot]

whos the guy here that owns civit?

[brazen fox]

On CivitAI.com there's a link to their discord at the bottom of the page, that might be a more direct connection to him

[bleak matrix]

Good morning, everyone!

How are we all today?

[fervent thunder]

good, thank you.
I'm finally done with my 500,000 step project! :P

[bleak matrix]

Woohoo!

How did it go?

[fervent thunder]

it went well, mostly because I never need to do it again! :3

[bleak matrix]

What motivated you to do it in the first place, and what were your goals?

[fervent thunder]

I had to backup 9000 prompts and I wanted them to be in the meta data of the image it created, it was a slow, boring, and very slow and boring task! :P
Now I can get back to the trying to make some fun art again. Need to get more "style" into my merged model :D

How did your project go?

[bleak matrix]

Ah!

Oh, it's a WIP

I made several models yesterday for 2.1

[fervent thunder]

"several?" :O

[mortal narwhal]

How about we start creating artwork and share it for training. That way we can create artworks that look like other artist but still could be trained

[bleak matrix]

Yeah!

Now I'll test them lol

It's all trained on my own art

[fervent thunder]

I think I'll hold back on that training stuff myself until we get less new stuff as quick as we do now :3

that and I don't know how to do it :P

[mortal anvil]

how to make img2img picture?

[fervent thunder]

there's several ways to do it, if you mean on this discord, then I don't know 1. how, or 2. if you can. But there's several ai options out there, as well as tutorials for them :#

[minor scroll]

Is it normal that I tried to train a model using dreambooth for an art style but it only spits out good outputs if I put the name of the style as a negative prompt...

[mortal anvil]

name the free one.

[fervent thunder]

there's a lot on this post:
https://www.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/wzj8kk/a_collection_of_sites_using_stable_diffusion_and/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

[mortal anvil]

thanks

[fervent thunder]

Most people I know use the Playgroundai for their free ai art, but I haven't tried it myself so I wouldn't know for sure how good it is

[tidal temple]

Can somebody help me and tell me the best settings for a small section of Dreambooth?

[hasty relic]

.

[odd flower]

guys i generate the picture instead of you

[thick lotus]

Hi, new here, do the bot generations cost credits ?

[brazen fox]

as far as I know, no

on the DreamStudio website though, they do

[bleak wolf]

Haters coping so hard...

I started selling AI art, stating that its AI ART. (for less than 1 dollar)

They are like:

"Nooooooooooo that does not draw art that steals others art and copies it noooooooo"

Where does my fucking CUDA compute go then?

[tidal temple]

I sell it as well, let them hate, technological advancements will fuk them

[north stirrup]

^ and this is half of why they hate in the first place

[bleak wolf]

All of the software i use, i have the commercial license for

[bleak wolf]

• i sell it for really cheap, and AI is not competent enough (yet).

• I run the models on my own hardware

so

yeah

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[gilded karma]

Hey guys, I have some questions about merging checkpoints, where should I direct those? I posted it on reddit originally... I can post the link if needed.

[brazen fox]

I think it's more the attitude

[bleak wolf]

What about attitude

[crimson violet]

https://tenor.com/view/britney-gun-britney-gun-gif-21029835

Raise those prices God damn it xD

[bleak wolf]

local pricing for our broken economy i usually sell around 5$ USD for FHD painting with unlimited revisions

[crimson violet]

Too many people giving low prices brings the whole thing down. Could definitely make more money than just that.

[bleak wolf]

Also just started, will raise them inshAllah if i start getting demand

[tidal temple]

I sell prints

going from 70 all the way to 800 depending on size

mainly using midjourney for that

[fervent merlin]

so, whats up with this stable diffusion thing?

can i generate custom graphics for games with it?

[bleak wolf]

absolutely

It is royalty free

[fervent merlin]

cool

[steep mortar]

When I generate a batch of images in SD auto1111, the model seems to output the images with seeds in numerical order instead of randomizing the seed. are the seeds supposed to be going like ..........2491, ..........2490, ..........2489, etc ?

[bleak wolf]

man, the arguments they give are so invalid..

they say that AI searches for the internet and smashes together parts of readily available pictures to make images ...

[winter pike]

yes thats normal

[steep mortar]

ok thnx

[tidal temple]

Just let them scream and make money

[slender echo]

I want to join forces with other A.I. artists/rebels to create art, animations, and other forms of media. We can work together as a movement to merge art and technology.
If anyone is interested, message me. thanks!

[fervent thunder]

I was in channel on this discord yesterday where people show their models and embedding with really amazing results, but now i can't find it anymore. I don't mean the "models-embeddings" channel, it was definitely a text chat channel like this one. any ideas what channel that was?

[candid shell]

Hi

[winter pike]

probably #1045349359044280360

[bleak wolf]

Fr

[fervent thunder]

i thought so too, but i can't find the messages anymore. someone posted some really amazing colorful portraits as widescreen wallpapers. and i can't seem to find them anymore or the other awesome messages

[gilded karma]

anyone have any luck making character turnarounds? Front, side, back?

[muted skiff]

in a1111, it's not possible to save an image to Favorites after upscaling it in Extras? It's kind of lame, no?

[brazen fox]

If the AI community reacts this salty to 'normal' artists it doesn't reflect well

Don't get me wrong, I'm guilty of it myself, but it's just an endless ping pong effect of people making each other madder and madder

[broken gull]

Ik it doesn't justify any "bad attitudes" towards artists but trust me artists haven't the best attitude towards AI commissioners as well.

I am not calling myself artist anymore, I am referring myself as a commissioner from now on just as fyi

It's a more diplomatic word for in discussions etc

[brazen fox]

I'm aware, and I have been in verbal disagreements with some artists that came here looking for a fight- but being hostile towards artists in general just because some are unreasonable isn't productive imo

[steep mortar]

is there really any difference between Batch Count and Batch Size?

[broken gull]

If you go in a disagreement with a artists just a piece of advice, start with saying that you're not a artist but a commissioner.

[brazen fox]

Commissioner means something entirely different though, at least usually

[broken gull]

I think (not sure) this will calm down most artists in a discussion, I am not saying they aren't gonna give a hard time.

[broken gull]

Yes, but we aren't artists in the first place. We don't have the same skills. We commission a piece of art from the AI using a prompt.

The AI is the artist here.

Not us

[brazen fox]

That's where I disagree though, depending on how much work you put into whatever you make

I'm not calling myself an artist because of AI, but I would call myself one because of my approach to things and it being a tool in my workflow

[broken gull]

You still commission it, you aren't the one making the art. You're only an artist if you actually have painted/created a artwork by hands.

[brazen fox]

Agree to disagree, I suppose