💬｜general-chat

[wise stratus]

One stop play on generative AI and good governance

[sudden isle]

AI in general feels like it's going to win out, people are already brain hacking each other with persuasive ChatGPT outputs lol

[wise stratus]

Any school kid not using chatGPT to do like 80% of their homework papers is dumb

[jade garnet]

there was a speech by a UK MP about AI, partially done with chatgpt

[peak orchid]

The human brain is very hackable lol, so many unpatchable exploits

[solar sleet]

Not unlikely. There's many unforeseeable pathways in court decisions to could lead to many bad outcomes

[jade garnet]

I think the situation is pretty volatile and governments could go hard against AI fast if wrong key decisions are made

[wise stratus]

UK will be veeerry AI friendly

Between us and DeepMind

[jade garnet]

Well if you have backdoor deals for that, that's great

[solar sleet]

Makes me kind of sad that I'm done with my education. There's definitely some not so useful stuff that could have been done with ChatGpT

[jade garnet]

https://fxtwitter.com/KevinBrennanMP/status/1605239435289063429
this one
I really dislike the phrasing in this tweet

AI creating facsimiles of music, songs, art, books, etc - without paying the original artist or creator a penny.

[jade garnet]

Any idea on who will be the first company to seize the goldmine of LLMs-for-education?

Or do you think education will just become a little bit irrelevant with AI

[peak orchid]

The UK generally isn't looked to as a good place for tech companies due to the constant anti-privacy and anti-encryption idiocy that they keep pushing, so I haven't been feeling very optimistic on their AI future.

Makes me worried for Stability AI's future unless they leave the UK

[jade garnet]

I think he's referring to their laws on data mining for AI specifically

Don't have the exact link rn

were quite liberal tho

[peak orchid]

The rest of the country's political and legislative landscape being pretty hostile towards tech though makes me wonder if that's just an anomaly that'll eventually disappear

[wise stratus]

…us…

[wise stratus]

Would be weird for them to force the fastest growing company in the Uk in the most important sector identified by the government out 🤔

[jade garnet]

Any ETA?
i'm working on something really simple and local for that rn, just as a hobby

[wise stratus]

We are the number one UK startup by a long way

[jade garnet]

Hoping to build a kind of perplexity.ai like service that cites notes so that students can be more confident in the answers/claims an educational model gives

Dataset collection is real tough on that tho

[wise stratus]

Largest seed round before us was… $21m https://futurescot.com/fanduel-co-founder-secures-largest-uk-seed-funding-round-for-startup-venture/amp/

[wise stratus]

We will be educating millions of kids https://www.imagineworldwide.org

[jade garnet]

Neat

[quick narwhal]

Working on ChatGPT competitor?

[wise stratus]

Sure why not

Will cost like $10m to do properly

[quick narwhal]

Wow that’s way more than what it cost to develop SD?

[wise stratus]

Yep language models are expensive and that’s not even the training cost

[quick narwhal]

Why are they so expensive?

[quick narwhal]

Releasing in the first half of 2023?

[jade garnet]

open chatgpt MVP should be out by Jan

whether built by LAION or Carper

[wise stratus]

I wouldn’t expect that level of quality for a while text models are hard

[quick narwhal]

But there will be a model able to run on consumer hardware and better quality than Neo X soon?

[jade garnet]

need to define "better"; instructGPT 1.3B performs better than GPT-175B on certain tasks

@sudden marlin help?

thx

[sudden marlin]

Got him, thank you

[fervent thunder]

do you think your Pro studio and training tools will be out in January?

[wise stratus]

Sure

Maybe even sneak peek Friday event

[narrow grove]

when will models have an open source license?

[fervent thunder]

[warm pasture]

oy, @wise stratus I remember seeing someone talking about clip skip on SD 2, was it trained with the clip skip 2 in mind and it does the skip by default internally?

[vocal plover]

How can I ping a mod? There was a guy spaming sounds with a soundboard on VC

[leaden mural]

Yeah... Best not to descend into their madness.

[frank rune]

Can you use embeddings trained with a different checkpoint than the checkpoint being used to generate images?

[fervent thunder]

very cool!

[fervent thunder]

will the training tools be on your site and be public released?

[peak orchid]

Apparently in response to threats by the anti-AI crowd, Zeipher (creator of the F111, F222 and other models) has announced a suspension of all model releases and closed their community, Waifu-Diffusion might not release their next version, and other AI groups might be doing the same

Though its still early and I am awaiting independent confirmation of both these announcements

[fervent thunder]

Damn, this stuff is incredible, wish we had shit like this for Conversational Text-Gen…

Hey, Emad go talk some sense into Character.AI devs

[jade garnet]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1038249717001359402/1055317621358215239/image.png

the WD claim by UD is just nonsense

Zeipher shutting down might be real which is a bit sad tho

[lilac reef]

I get a sense all of this is going to die on the vine thanks to the luddites.

[jade garnet]

Yeah

People need to start pushing back

Hard

[lilac reef]

Fear will do that

@jade garnet with a hammer as it will only get worse. Just think if the Blacksmiths did this in the 1890's to 1920 had stopped the new invention known as an automobile because they were going to lose their profession. Instead a lot of them became auto mechanics then retired for the family business to become car shops.

[peak orchid]

Thank you for this, I passed the message onto the UD team and they updated the announcement! Apparently there may be stuff behind the scenes making Waifu releases less likely, but I'm not sure the exact cause

[jade garnet]

Nice

the main problems WD had was

• their harddrive dying and database vanishing
• the drama about their v1.3.x model getting trained by a NAI derivative

but it was never an inherent problem; just retrain correctly

[lilac reef]

I already see way fewer people on the discords for SD and I wonder if all of this has had an effect?

On holiday means I should be seeing more not less

[peak orchid]

Apparently he was telling some people the anti-AI crowd was responsible for him shutting down, but so far I have no specific details

[jade garnet]

Tbf

I am happy if UD tells everyone to start fighting back against the anti-AI artists

[peak orchid]

There haven't been any new major releases, and people are spending the holidays doing other stuff. Its also exam season

[jade garnet]

Regardless of context

[lilac reef]

Meh, colleges already out for a week around here since Christmas is four days away.

I think we have a lot of issues from this, to the craptastic 2.0 (regardless of the legal reasons why) to this "pro" for pay BS for these new tools, etc... All of it combined is not helping. Besides if people need new releases to be involved then they need to go away imo.

I think a whole lot of people are just chillin' and waiting for all of the smoke to blow over and see what is left come Jan/Feb.

[sterile gust]

So what will you guys do when SD is declared illegal?

[lilac reef]

In the end SD is not life so if it fails it will be a sad day but people will move on to something else. We are right at that moment of success or failure.

[sterile gust]

More like failure

Just failure

[lilac reef]

Nope, not there but close

If people can't/won't fight for it then we don't deserve it is my opinion on everything from Nations, Politics, to this.

[sterile gust]

Not close, there

[sterile gust]

Maybe you are right

[ornate stirrup]

copyright laws are complicated, so no, I dont think it will be declared illegal, at least not yet

[sterile gust]

We never deserved such technology

[sterile gust]

You don't but everyone else does

[fathom olive]

Y'all are being weird acting as if the technology isn't already a success 😅
It works, it's openly available, anything from this point on is nice but it's not necessary.

[sterile gust]

How everything went so wrong so fast is really depressing

[fathom olive]

People who want to use it already are using it, and moving forward with it

[sterile gust]

It's a disease to the eyes of the ignorant and diseases must be eliminated

[sterile gust]

For now

[fathom olive]

If you're worried about actual legal recourse, don't? Copyright is made to protect from unauthorized copying, which these models don't do.
If you're worried about talking pieces on the internet complaining about how it's evil, then uh... I dunno what to tell you there, that's just how the internet is.

[little plaza]

definitely immediately delete all instances of it from my HDD and never use it again 👼

[fervent thunder]

i mean i guess its the internet so of course but people seem really dramatic

[sterile gust]

You better do, you might get life in prison for having that on your system really soon

[sterile gust]

Funerals are always this way

[fathom olive]

🙄

Literally nothing bad has happened to suggest that there will be absolutely any negative repercussions to the existence of SD or other image generation AI's 😆

[little plaza]

who would ever download or use a program illegally? surely none of us here. 😭

[lilac reef]

@little plazaLOL, not me.

@little plazaI would

[forest apex]

guess Zephyr's discord just got shut down?

[sterile gust]

For now...

[fathom olive]

What utterly meaningless doomsaying

[sterile gust]

Yep, there's a back up but don't bother looking for it, they cowered, it's meaningless.

[lilac reef]

Yeah, I mean the blackest of blackpilled. Just wow.

[pine peak]

https://tenor.com/view/piracy-its-a-crime-you-wouldnt-steal-a-car-you-wouldnt-steal-a-handbag-you-wouldnt-steal-a-television-you-wouldnt-steal-a-movie-gif-20041626

[sterile gust]

I'm just stating the facts

[pine peak]

this ad is just playing in my head

[forest apex]

weird. was following the outrage, luckily got the models before they removed them.

[pine peak]

with this drama going on

[sterile gust]

"You wouldn't download an artist?"

[lilac reef]

Yeah, when that came out I was using my pirated games/programs on the C64 and Amiga and laughing.

[sterile gust]

Yeah lucky you....

[lilac reef]

Lucky I am not into Anime.

[sterile gust]

Unlucky everything died so fast

[forest apex]

just a model to add to the many others I'm looking at

[lilac reef]

It didn't only you did

[sterile gust]

I wish... That is way I would be where AI art went

[lilac reef]

You sound like some Anime freak who their entire world has been destroyed because they can't make naked Waifu pictures. Dude, get a grip. Seriously. Things come and things go but the tech genie is out of the bottle with no way to, even legally, cork it back in.

[dawn yarrow]

i had a c128 hehe

[inland talon]

Zeipher's server owner shut it down, the models are still alright as far as I know

New one still getting released apparently

[silver inlet]

Seriously though, at this point nothing is going to kill the massive push AI has taken. It's waaaay too late to actually stop it.

[dawn yarrow]

why should anyone worry

ppl are acting like the fbi is coming for your stable diffusion models

[lilac reef]

Yep, I owned a computer (C64) since Oct 1983 so I have seen a lot of stuff. C128 I never wanted because I could buy an Amiga 500 for about the same price, so I did.

[dawn yarrow]

stopped what why

oh he deleted

[lilac reef]

Yeah, isn't that hilarious? LOL. Sorry, FBI but I had a boating accident...

[dawn yarrow]

c128 had a cool graphics drwaing mode but i had to run everything in "c64 mode" for all the gams

hero anyone?>

nothing like magma vision to melt through walls

[lilac reef]

Look out for the demoralizers as they are out there for a reason.

[silver inlet]

Even if the gov't SOMEHOW managed to figure out a way to make AI art illegal how on Earth would that even be properly enforced? I mean sure it would hurt future advancements yes, but with where we are now it would be difficult as hell. Look what happened with piracy. lol

[dawn yarrow]

haha i bet

if they want to live in huts let them, i like my computers

just dont make ME live in a stupid hut

[forest apex]

I've heard the pods are pretty nice though

[lilac reef]

With Starlink you too can live in a hut with a few solar panels and be making AI art too.

[lilac reef]

I ain't eating any bugs though.

[forest apex]

hey man, tastes like steak

[dawn yarrow]

oh no androids are stealing our janitorial work!

[silver inlet]

"You will eat bugs and like it."

[solar sleet]

Bugs are not bad if they are well prepared

[dawn yarrow]

i wouldnt know

[silver inlet]

I don't wanna know.

[lilac reef]

No to bugs. Don't wimp out, unless it is too late and you are a beta. Just sayin'

If it has an exoskeleton, or more than one heart I am not eating it.

[solar sleet]

I've eaten bugs with spices, bug burgers, nothing really wrong with it, the fear about eating bugs is silly, yeah it looks gross, so what? You can just prepare it so it looks fine. Or get over it

[dawn yarrow]

meh

[solar sleet]

Nearly everyone I know has tried crickets or mealworms just out of curiosity

[dawn yarrow]

and where do you live

[solar sleet]

They are alright

Austria

[lilac reef]

There ya go

Says it all

[solar sleet]

?

[fathom olive]

Very off-topic, I know, but: Have any of you been actually making anything cool with SD lately? Not just images, but working towards anything bigger?

[dawn yarrow]

dude i need image to image so bad but no gpue

[ornate stirrup]

#1011228442399883294

[lilac reef]

I wish as I would love to use it to make money with, but I lack that last piece.

[solar sleet]

Austria is one of the richest countries on the planet, bugs are actually pretty expensive here lol since they are delicacy (not normal food)

[fathom olive]

Doesn't need to be financially motivated, can just be making a cool project for fun

What's the missing piece though? (Other than complete legal immunity of course)

[lilac reef]

Has nothing to do with your richness it has to do with that part of the world and their mindset.

[silver inlet]

Well, bugs or Surströmming? lol

[solar sleet]

Wtf is that mindset supposed to be, enlighten me

[solar sleet]

That's not Austria, that's Sweden.

[dawn yarrow]

eat bugs yes or eat bugs no

[lilac reef]

Not sure how. For me I don't do hobbies. It is either to help make money with or I just don't do it. As far as legalities are concerned that doesn't bother me in the least.

[silver inlet]

I know. I'm just stating which you'd pick.

[fathom olive]

Yeah the legality part was a joke 😄

[solar sleet]

I have eaten bugs but I don't want to try Surströmming lol

[lilac reef]

Sheep mentality. Don't need your bugs so more for you to chow down on. Win win for both of us.

[ornate stirrup]

have anyone here tried that? i search what it was in google and I can't figure out why would anyone try that

[solar sleet]

I'm pretty sure there's enough bugs for everyone

[dawn yarrow]

i dont want a bug burger i want a steak

[solar sleet]

Curiosity. Or if you've grown up with it it's probably just normal

[dawn yarrow]

its gone the way of liver and sardines im sure

[solar sleet]

Most people here probably eat shrimp, they are just bigger water bugs

[dawn yarrow]

shrimp arent bugs dude

[solar sleet]

Not technically, but they sure as hell look like one

[dawn yarrow]

yeah but everything looks like a bug to yhou

stop eyeballing me

[solar sleet]

Sorry

[dawn yarrow]

😉

[solar sleet]

Looking mighty tasty there

[dawn yarrow]

lol

dont you even reach for the bug gravy over there

[solar sleet]

I'm fine with raw too

[dawn yarrow]

he's raw bugging

[silver inlet]

LMAO

[solar sleet]

I feel like this discussion wouls fit more in the Unstable Diffusion discord

[dawn yarrow]

bbq bug burger

and an onion ring, please

[hoary oyster]

Of course huggingface.co's website goes down right in the middle of me installing a model

[golden nebula]

hoping someone creates a stable diffusion inpainting plugin for paint.net

[lilac reef]

Anyone ever run into making an emb and it turns everyone older? Really weird as I have a slow card (1060) so 100 steps took me 10m but was a test and now what was young 20 something is now 50 something.

[sterile gust]

Be careful, if the paint.net owner sees this, he will ban Ai content

[golden nebula]

y

[wide juniper]

With InPaint, when do I use Original, and when do I use Latent Noise, and when do I use Latent Nothing?

[olive grail]

how long does it takes to switch models in automatic 1111 webui ?

[golden nebula]

takes me 5 seconds

3090 5950x

[plucky basin]

what is it called when a text to image ai uses a folder of images for data?

[north stirrup]

Original to remake what you’ve got (might need lower denoising strength), latent noise to start over in the painted area (needs high denoising and lots of steps), latent nothing to erase stuff in empty space

[young ivy]

good morning

[upbeat tangle]

whats the best upscaller for photos ?

for training SD

[young ivy]

you want an upscaler in SD or outside of SD?

[upbeat tangle]

i dont think i can use the upscaler in SD to upscale my training photos

[bright cradle]

There were naughty dreams that had to be popped.

why

used face image

[young ivy]

why not? What UI are you using?

[upbeat tangle]

auto but its upscaller messes up the face

[young ivy]

an upscaler is an upscaler, you only need to select the right one appropriate

do you have gfpgan installed and ready?

lollypop usually works well for anime, boorugan and resrgan anime b6 too

lollypop works for realistic too

[upbeat tangle]

i see,but does it keep the faces in tact ?

[young ivy]

it will upscale the face as it is, with flaws if there are any

but you can select fix face before or after, you can also use sd_upscale in img2img,set noise to 0.10-0.20 and add a few new prompts

[upbeat tangle]

i see

thanks

[young ivy]

or you can do it the expensive way

buy gigapixel

[upbeat tangle]

eh that sucks lol

i have tried it in past

[young ivy]

how long in the past?

[upbeat tangle]

probably around a year

[young ivy]

cause from recent tests, it outperforms everything SD has

[upbeat tangle]

ah

[young ivy]

well up until October

after that I don't know

[bright cradle]

how to use prompt to get high picture quality

like 4k or something

[young ivy]

depends on the model

[upbeat tangle]

well thanks for all the info !

[young ivy]

useful prompts for high quality that aren't universal but you can test your way through em are, highres, absurdes, 8k, hires, hdr, intricately detailed, best quality, masterpiece, superresolution, cinematic

[fervent thunder]

how are the web clients even making money off this when its not even a chore to install it locally?

[young ivy]

because they're making front and backends we don't have

like NovelAI is constantly developing new methods behind the scenes where they pass information through, creating their own chain before it's injected into the diffuser

[fervent thunder]

how so? none of the settings options they have on the majority of web clients hosting sd compare at all to the settings in the self hosting web client

[young ivy]

no that's cause they need to keep it very user friendly

but they do work out new stuff and they have commands/prompts unique to theirs

that perform actions only on theirs

[plucky basin]

Genuine question

[stoic saddle]

is there a pixel art model if not how do i train one?

[young ivy]

https://civitai.com/ look here for one

[stoic saddle]

ok thanks

[young ivy]

I don't suppose this tells anyone anything? Trying to merge two safetensor individually functional models

`Error loading/saving model file:
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "G:\STABLE_DIFFUSION_VARIANTS\SD_Software\stable-diffusion-webui\modules\ui.py", line 1660, in modelmerger
results = modules.extras.run_modelmerger(*args)
File "G:\STABLE_DIFFUSION_VARIANTS\SD_Software\stable-diffusion-webui\modules\extras.py", line 330, in run_modelmerger
safetensors.torch.save_file(theta_0, output_modelname, metadata={"format": "pt"})
File "G:\STABLE_DIFFUSION_VARIANTS\SD_Software\stable-diffusion-webui\venv\lib\site-packages\safetensors\torch.py", line 71, in save_file
serialize_file(_flatten(tensors), filename, metadata=metadata)
File "G:\STABLE_DIFFUSION_VARIANTS\SD_Software\stable-diffusion-webui\venv\lib\site-packages\safetensors\torch.py", line 236, in _flatten
return {
File "G:\STABLE_DIFFUSION_VARIANTS\SD_Software\stable-diffusion-webui\venv\lib\site-packages\safetensors\torch.py", line 240, in <dictcomp>
"data": _tobytes(v, k),
File "G:\STABLE_DIFFUSION_VARIANTS\SD_Software\stable-diffusion-webui\venv\lib\site-packages\safetensors\torch.py", line 210, in _tobytes
return data.tobytes()
MemoryError

Traceback (most recent call last):
File "G:\STABLE_DIFFUSION_VARIANTS\SD_Software\stable-diffusion-webui\venv\lib\site-packages\gradio\routes.py", line 284, in run_predict
output = await app.blocks.process_api(
File "G:\STABLE_DIFFUSION_VARIANTS\SD_Software\stable-diffusion-webui\venv\lib\site-packages\gradio\blocks.py", line 983, in process_api
data = self.postprocess_data(fn_index, result["prediction"], state)
File "G:\STABLE_DIFFUSION_VARIANTS\SD_Software\stable-diffusion-webui\venv\lib\site-packages\gradio\blocks.py", line 913, in postprocess_data
if predictions[i] is components._Keywords.FINISHED_ITERATING:
IndexError: list index out of range`

[forest apex]

don't have enough RAM to do that?

[solemn hill]

Is it worth translating SD documentation to other languages?

[forest apex]

@solemn hill if there aren't already people involved in that, probably

[solemn hill]

Well. I am. Today I tried translating extensions list into Russian.
https://ai-art-wiki.com/wiki/Stable_Diffusion_webui/Extensions/ru

Half of Russian community seems to think that if they know English, it's better to improve original documentation. The other half still relies on disorganised pastebins and asks questions like "what is CLIP skip" and "how to install models"

I was thinking about preparing most of SDwebUI docs for translations, but still didn't come up with idea how to stay conststent with main docs.

[forest apex]

see if there are any other people working on internationalization

also, I wonder if something like chatgpt could streamline the entire process

[unreal eagle]

Can I run SD on the phone

[broken gull]

anyone that can tell me how to easily add image to each other?

like putting next to each other and around

[safe sapphire]

There are, supposedly, a few iOS implementations, YMMV. Aside from that there's running it over the Internet etc.

[brave basalt]

Umm does anyone know what happened to the zeipher discord?

It kinda poofed overnight

[forest apex]

they pulled the plug because of CAA. Best to find another community

[brave basalt]

CAA?

Idk what that is

[forest apex]

"concept art association" the grifters behind a massive Anti AI propaganda movement.

[brave basalt]

Is there a writeup on this somewhere?

Would be curious to see how it went down and so on

[forest apex]

on zeipher? no, but on /r/stablediffusion on reddit theres... thousands of comments

CAA also has a youtube and an instagram full of people super happy they squashed a small community with misinformation, yet probably can't do anything about dall-e, midjourney, or stable diffusion

[brave basalt]

Ah so basically people in fear of being replaced are having their dying throws

And ruining as much of this for everyone as possible

Got it

Sad, Z's community were actually pretty cool

They should have taken their discord private and booted all the other peeps

[forest apex]

I was on it watching the buzz about the kickstarter, switched windows, came back and the server was gone from my list. seemed rather abrupt and unplanned.

[brave basalt]

They restarted with much of the old community on a diff server apparently

[uneven wasp]

That happens a lot of with large servers that get banned or pulled ime

[brave basalt]

Kind of annoying when this happens. This is very reminiscent of the past trends where the RIAA tried to throw a hissy fit, then it was litigation over patents no matter how shitty

Guess this will blow over, but while it goes on, it's gonna be a bit choppy

[wide juniper]

Do these negative prompts actually work? ((disfigured)), ((bad art)), ((deformed)), ((poorly drawn)), ((extra limbs))

[brave basalt]

Yeah sort of in conjunction

Like poorly drawn seems super ambiguous i dont use it

but it understands disfigured, extra limbs, extra [anything], deformed, distorted

Gotta be careful because if you have uniform strengths on these, you end up with samey gens irrespective of seed. As in.. a female body will always look "perfect" in the sense that you'll always get perky boobs, or a perfect waist, or no extra fat whatsoever as if the model was on a perfect BMI and a constant keto diet

So you have to vary these things if you're going for realism in some cases.

I mostly focus on removing deformities, then playing with negative prompts to remove bits I don't want, but I will rarely just dump a set of fifty negatives and expect a good outcome that looks "real"

[halcyon granite]

anyone else stay up late watching renders? I know it's not productive since overnight it'll generate 100s, I tell myself ok only 1 more render, ok final one...

[hollow oriole]

went to my buddies house to chill, homies were hitting a nice backyard rail, said I was just chillin not gonna even ride because had been on a snowboard for like 3 days is all, half hour goes by, get bored, go grab my board and jump into a quarter for the first time on a snowboard, get bodied the first time but next try goes fine, then say fuck it and send a little 4 foot drop, that goes okay, then say fuck it and send that drop into a 6 foot drop, get slaughtered, but like I wasnt even gonna ride but shit happens and the voices in my head telling me to do cool shit get too loud to ignore

[bleak matrix]

Good morning everyone

How are we all this beautiful morning?

[bleak matrix]

laughs This is such an easy loop to fall into. It's very fascinating and I don't blame you one bit.

[edgy atlas]

Why did stability ai obey the anti ai mob and removed all artists from sd 2 and 3? How were they affected by this?

Cant they just do it anyways?

[lost coral]

What it’s gunna take unfortunately is someone releasing an absolutely 100% open source OG stable diffusion -quality model onto the dark web internet and hope some people pick it up to develop it and spread it

It doesn’t look like a major entity like OpenAI, StabilityAI, etc are gunna even want to bat an eye at fighting this

It’s gunna take just a small rag tag team who can maneuver around without getting shutdown

Eventually at this rate Stable Diffusion is just gunna be one of those god awful free browser-based “ai generators” that produce garbage and are just a ad placement nightmare

Stable diffusion has chosen sides and they’ve sided with OpenAI in that they no longer (seem to) care about the consumer and now are chasing the enterprise market. So they want to make their enterprise happy

[forest apex]

maybe stable horde will get into the game, but since there isn't any actual distributed method available, it would have to be engineered

[forest apex]

I'm not so sure about that, stability has a number of projects they are working on, and it wouldn't be too great for anyone if they drew too much negative attention

[lost coral]

Idk. You could be right but it seems like they are making more “bad” moves than good. A a great example of 1 step forward and 2 steps back

They end up walking back a decision, everyone cheers, and then they make an even worse one

I feel like they are doing this on purpose to condition us for them to completely move away from what they started

[wide juniper]

So is it 'wrong' to use original high denoising and latent noise with low denoising?

[edgy atlas]

but why?

are they scared of getting sued?

[lost coral]

https://tenor.com/view/money-mr-krabs-gif-18326632

[lost coral]

Pretty much

[edgy atlas]

real artists support dosent have much to do with their business, if stability ai loses them who cares, probably yeh they are scared of getting sued

[lost coral]

Fair argument. It’s definitely the threat of being sued because that indeed can shutdown everything

That’s why I hinted at in one of my earlier messages that maybe it wouldn’t be so bad of an idea if a fully working model “leaked” out

[lofty parcel]

Hoping that not everyone has a strong opinion on AI art because I'm in too deep and I'm just trying to run a business lol

[lost coral]

(As in one you ain’t gotta set a bunch of stuff up for)

[bleak matrix]

Not everyone does

I'd look into the people donating to campaigns lol

[lofty parcel]

I got invested in this stuff because it's cool but it feels like it gets more controversial every day lol

Maybe Lensa's sales are evidence that things aren't as polarized as they seem

[lilac reef]

Luddites may just win this time.

[forest apex]

I think they are more afraid of Anti AI legislation.. this software can have some fairly nefarious uses, so it's like giving everyone access to fully semi-automatic military grade assault weapons without any restriction

[compact perch]

Anyone know open journey aka midjourney, what stable diffusion it's based on? I can't seem to able to use by greg rutkowski so my guess it's 2.0+

[north stirrup]

No, just it might give you worse results. It depends what you’re trying to get.

[wide juniper]

I mean, I can't see use cases

[solemn hill]

That would be too based

[lost coral]

The thing is if they continue to restrict it, then the more “nefarious” models will become. You simply can’t stop open source and eventually you telling them “you can’t do this” is literally gunna give people the idea to do it

[forest apex]

I'm thinking of the people who present this stuff like its hand drawn instead of generated, then business models that thrive on that deception

[lost coral]

That’s why even if SD crumbles, someone will eventually make a similar model that can’t be censored

[forest apex]

@lost coral if SD crumbles? please keep these thoughts out of your head 😉

[lost coral]

Then just ban them. There definitely needs to be a system to see who generated what and then all it would take is simply backtracking to who made “their” image and delete their account

[lost coral]

That why I said if, not when 😄

[lost coral]

And then make additional measures to prevent just creating “another account”. Buuuuuut that’s kinda hard to do with something like SD

It’s just inevitable at this point it’s gunna reach a major court and then it’s out of our hands

[forest apex]

yea. run by old guys who can barely explain how social media works. eh.

we'll see. I'm pretty happy with stability AI, they stepped up where no one else had outside of closed source vendors.

[lofty parcel]

If you ever get questioned by the authorities and they ask you what SD is, just tell them it stands for SugonDese

[forest apex]

hands the officer his (generated) papers

[compact perch]

https://discordapp.com/channels/1002292111942635562/1010580363942309918/1055497463978528789 This is one of the images I succeded to generate, but I dunno what I should type to recreate a similar image? I tried to save the seed but the AI just threw it out of the window basically

Anyone know what prompt/artstyle suits this?

[lilac reef]

Fact is we just learned that the govt of the USA (et al.) had deep fakes in 2017. I used to deepfake in 2018-2020 and we all knew that is why they were doing the same thing to it. Give it a few more years and watch the masses find out the govt has this (of course they do) which is why they don't want us to have it until they are done with it (they move on to higher tech).

[compact perch]

@lilac reef Source on this?

[lilac reef]

The twitter files as a creator mentioned them a few days ago so drop 1-6

[compact perch]

"drop 1-6" ?

[north stirrup]

Haha conspiracy theories like that can fuck off and die; keep the QAnon bullshit out of here, please.

[lilac reef]

Oh, you are one of those working for the feds since there is no conspiracy these are documented internal facts/messages. Good day, but nice try.

[north stirrup]

🙄

[mint vault]

Hey guys! Does anyone have a google colab where in we can input the prompt and negative prompt for custom checkpoits?

I don't want a gui!

Example:- python txt2img.py --promt "test prompt" --ckpt "ckpt path" --negative-prompt "negative prompt" --samples 5

Mostly 1.5 based ckpt files!

[barren mulch]

what does models-embeddings mean ? from the #1047197565365538826 channel ?

[forest apex]

different types of additional concepts for the algorithm to use

[robust fjord]

Why all of our works have to be public and we can do stealth stuff for like 600 Eur per year q.q

[plain lichen]

Hey everyone 👋, we just got SD running in a 3d, social space that runs right out of your browser. Grab some friends and prompt together!

https://www.simulacra.io/ai.html

[dawn yarrow]

i don't think we need to be paranoid about stable diffusion going away

it's just the" inner cavemen afraid of the ufo

[tidal temple]

What is mask blur for in img2img?

[north stirrup]

helps inpainting match surroundings

[cedar gale]

Bruh the communications are basically public at this point. It's no conspiracy theory. You might think the conclusions are a stretch but it's all public domain now. It's basically a conspiracy, it's no theory anymore.

[north stirrup]

Did I stutter? Keep the QAnon bullshit out of here, please.

[peak orchid]

There's a Discord server of people trying to mass report this server to get it banned from Discord for allowing AI art, and they've been carrying out harassment and "raids" on servers they target as well. Not sure if the admins here are interested in reporting it to the Discord higher ups?

[tight quartz]

@peak orchid We have measures in place to protect against that sort of activity.

[little plaza]

you should report whatever discord is trying to organize this because it's against discord guidelines. "Do not make false or malicious reports to Trust & Safety or Customer Support; send multiple reports about the same issue; or ask a group of users to report the same content or issue."

[wicked hollow]

I'll make this simple. No QAnon. Only internal Twitter files. Use your eyes, not your suppositions.

[north stirrup]

Those are a partisan source, thanks to Musk, who's also lied about basics like having a degree

Either way, I don't give a shit about convincing you

[wicked hollow]

So you're saying the files are fake?

[north stirrup]

No

They just don't say anything exciting

[wicked hollow]

Ok then. I guess our convo is done after all.

[north stirrup]

Good! Like I said, keep that bullshit out of here.

[ocean heart]

hey guys, forgive my ignorance please. Can Stable Diffusion be adapted to convert images instead of making brand new ones?

[old marten]

Yes, use image2image

[ocean heart]

wow okay that is pretty cool

[wicked hollow]

You talked about keeping QAnon out of here. Now you're talking about keeping Twitter news out of here. Those are different, bud.

[ocean heart]

can it convert an image to a different file type, like an SVG, or am I better off scripting inkscape?

[old marten]

I think all images are BMP or PNG but you can convert them after you save them

[ocean heart]

super rad

[north stirrup]

You're the one starting shit. I'm telling you to shut up, because you're not going to convince me of your bullshit, and I'm not going to convince you of reality, so we might as well leave the politics out of our diffusion talk.

[wicked hollow]

"starting shit"? I only responded to what you said above.

Discord is made for discourse...

[north stirrup]

… and this server is for Stable Diffusion, not for politics

[wicked hollow]

You're the only one upset outta this. Sorry to rain on your parade I guess.

[wicked hollow]

Then you may wanna stop bringing it up for people to respond to.

[ocean heart]

also, as a guy who's genuinely on the non-visible portion of the autism spectrum, I understand that internet culture has encouraged a very low tolerance for frustration, but if you feel like there is a conflict in an interaction or discussion, you are always better off trying to find out where you disagree and deal with how hard that problem is with patience, rather than sperging out like it's 2016

the younger generations need to see that we can do better

[north stirrup]

bruh I responded to CryptoGuard to tell him off for the political bullshit

[lean mountain]

Hello sir.

[wicked hollow]

And I had a difference of opinion from yours. Thus discourse ensued. Read the rules/start-here. There's no limitation on political conversation--especially in general. Not everyone is going to just shut up or agree with you, and I'm tired of that being a thing people push.

[ocean heart]

oh well if the rules allow it then there you go

if the rules allow it then if you have a disagreement it's kind of your responsibility to try and be persuasive instead of trying to defenestrate

And practice that skill while you can because it's the one thing AI can't really effectively do yet in terms of language

[wicked hollow]

Lol

That'd be interesting. Getting something like ChatGPT to make an argument for me.

[ocean heart]

And if it does it kind of activates an instinct on the same level as Warhammer 40K dealing with AI

[north stirrup]

Y'know what, fine. What do you think the Twitter Files say?

[ocean heart]

The twitter files almost definitely confirm things that almost everyone has already known, which is that twitter has worked with the FBI and political agencies to guide the overton window to influence election outcomes.

[north stirrup]

That's a lot of reading into intent that doesn't seem supported by what I've read

[ocean heart]

What have you read that contradicts that?

[north stirrup]

What have I read that supports "guiding the Overton window"?

We could equally point to 2016 and investigating Clinton

[wise stratus]

I have been thinking about art and the future of art etc.

This technology doesn’t really seem to affect most types of art (sculpture, painting etc) except to make it easier to get inspiration as part of the process.

The only part really affected is digital art which is kinda completely reliant on tools and this is another tool.

Bit curious thinking about that, upscalers etc are also trained on millions of images but folk were fine with that, neural filters, magic masking brushes and so on

[wicked hollow]

Which one? Part 1-8? Generally they say that Twitter acted opposite of what they told the public, muting or deemphasizing people they disagreed with almost solely on one side of the political spectrum (though not wholly). Pushing the agenda of the current administrations as propaganda surreptitiously. Taking orders from current administrations and FBI to mute or remove certain users, etc.

[ocean heart]

perhaps my personal summation of events isn't specifically mentioned, since I didn't plagiarize it, was that specifically what you had an issue with in my statement?

[wicked hollow]

Also establishing a blockade on dissemination of certain types of info they disagree with politically and/or were told to do so by the administrations.

[north stirrup]

Yes. "Actions by the FBI might have political fallout" is about as "well duh" as you can get, so "guiding the Overton window" and "to influence election outcomes" aren't justified

Twitter took its own actions, at the non-binding request of the government

What's the issue?

It's textbook free speech on Twitter's part to moderate however the fuck it likes

[ocean heart]

I'm not sure what you mean by that statement, what would the FBI have political fallout over? How is it different from trying to influence public opinion?

[novel cloud]

Twitter files were overhyped and over rated

[fervent thunder]

Excuse me for asking, but in terms of architecture, how does this model compare to the MidJourney 4?

[north stirrup]

You mean like investigating Clinton, and announcing said investigation shortly before an election?

[ocean heart]

Or claiming the russians stole the election from her?

[north stirrup]

Back up and justify that one, where did the FBI say that?

[tight quartz]

Hey friends! We're going to tour-guide this whole channel to something more constructive and chill.

[north stirrup]

Thank you.

[ocean heart]

did I mention the FBI or did I misinterpret us having a discussion over a specific claim, which is election influence?

[tight quartz]

So, first question:
Favorite topping that can be on BOTH pizza and a hamburger.
Go

[novel cloud]

Eggs!

[tight quartz]

clever

[north stirrup]

My first thought too, but on pizza?

[tight quartz]

bacon & eggs tho

[north stirrup]

bacon definitely

eggs?

[ocean heart]

Eggs is actually superior on basically everything tbh.

[tight quartz]

I've seen it

[novel cloud]

Pizza carbonara

[tight quartz]

^

like a bacon alfredo sauce

[ocean heart]

Sorry, was I communicating in a way that wasn't constructive? I'm actually on the autistic spectrum and deliberately training myself to be as good a communicator as possible. So the question is a genuine one.

[tight quartz]

@ocean heart It was unambiguous. Sometimes, viewpoints can divide people into small groups.... we rather have conversations that bring people together.

[north stirrup]

Basically, poltical talk like we were engaging in is likely to end up in a fight

[tight quartz]

before it gets rough

[ocean heart]

I see, one of the major things I've actually been training on is trying to turn conversations dialectic

[wicked hollow]

Indeed. I generally keep a cool head in such situations, but as we saw above not all can.

[ocean heart]

maybe I didn't have the correct starting point for it

[tight quartz]

It's not only for us - but also for the new users and huge community that will read all this. We want to be welcoming and fun/funny.

[ocean heart]

right especially since this is the general chat

[wicked hollow]

I will say though, that this brings more activity to a channel that has been less active (at least to my eyes) as of late.

[north stirrup]

It's not worth it

[ocean heart]

you'll be happy to know this is my first conversation on this discord, and my first impression was getting excellent advice and information on Stable Diffusion

[tight quartz]

The goal is not to "stir things up" just for engagement.

[ocean heart]

since my question about it was answered perfectly

[wicked hollow]

You misunderstand me, that wasn't my intention. Just noting a byproduct of our discourse.

[tight quartz]

@wicked hollow I see.

[ocean heart]

It seemed to me that a lot of the ruffled feathers in the conversation was over a frustrating disagreement specifically

[wicked hollow]

I'm sure there's enough to discuss on the Anti-AI-Art campaigns I've been seeing lately, heh. Just saw the Unstable kickstarter was removed--crazy times.

[ocean heart]

actually an ethics discussion on AI art is something I've been having a lot of lately

[wicked hollow]

I'm sure many have.

[ocean heart]

and from what I've seen about stable diffusion, I would say it is far more an ethical win than a loss

especially since the training data can be changed to suit different things

[wicked hollow]

"far more an ethical win than a loss" To what do you refer?

[tight quartz]

Ethics is a heavy topic, with lots of different sources. You can go to almost any social platform and find a mix of heated discussion and informative perspective.
We just want to ensure that our goal of community building is not traded off for the sake of bringing up strong opinions and reactions.
Healthy conversation is encouraged.

[ocean heart]

so Ethics is an argument over principals and outcomes

[tight quartz]

Ethics is Ethics

[wicked hollow]

Hmm. Define "healthy conversation".

[ocean heart]

right, I'm just expanding on the academic mechanics of it

[tight quartz]

Healthy conversation cannot be easily defined, so there's moderators here to manage that grey area.

We want to "head towards" that goal. In a positive direction.

[ocean heart]

so basically the principals that I've seen most people be concerned with is intellectual property, would you say that covers most of it?

[wicked hollow]

Well, speaking objectively it's hard to encourage something that cannot be effectively defined.

[north stirrup]

I'm always tempted to add there being an element of intangible personal identity that some find in their artistic expression

people will feel violated by their work being reused

[tight quartz]

Well, ethics can also involve use-cases. Example: charging money for something that is otherwise free elsewhere, and not disclosing its origin. aka "fraud". Unethical use of AI

[ocean heart]

yes, I say we focus on making discussion Rogerian

[ocean heart]

right but those use cases are usually the outcomes portion of that, an ethics discussion requires both

[tight quartz]

fair

[wicked hollow]

I say that's a great way to go nowhere with a conversation, lol. Some would say it'd be better to discuss the weather at that point. In my mind there are few topics that have no true answer--but that's my point of view.

[ocean heart]

it's useful and productive to factor out what the elements of these conversations are, because it can turn a discussion into a problem solving one, instead of a fight

[wicked hollow]

And I don't come to discord for small talk.

[tight quartz]

how is that <local sports team> trending on ((((ESPN))))

[north stirrup]

did the ball go?

[tight quartz]

the ball went

totally went

[wicked hollow]

Wow. Such sports.

[tight quartz]

big sportsball

[ocean heart]

that may actually be a misnomer on what a Rogerian argument actually is, because the core of a Rogerian argument is to examine both sides and eventually find a satisfactory conclusion

it is literal conflict resolution

[tight quartz]

Rogerian = establish middle ground, and debate on a level basis

[wicked hollow]

I guess the issue I find with that is "find a satisfactory conclusion". I see few instances of that being a real thing on both sides.

[ocean heart]

So I actually had a long debate with my rhetoric professor on this

[tight quartz]

Then the 3rd side: indifference. (or centralist)

[ocean heart]

but that's because I have also read books like Never Split The Difference before, which I highly recommend

[tight quartz]

imagine reading books in 2023

[wicked hollow]

This hurts me.

[ocean heart]

That middle ground is not two sides coming to a convergence of compromises

the whole Rogerian discussion is actually two sides finding out the true meaning of what either person is trying to say, and then actually problem solving based on the true meaning of the speakers

[halcyon granite]

what's a book?

[fervent thunder]

There are only* two things I try and never talk about with other people, and that's politics, and religion. It never ends well and in the end, I can't do anything about peoples views, nor do I have the time. :P
*may, or may not be true

[wicked hollow]

I have so many books that are left unread on my shelf. If only I made the time to read them...

[tight quartz]

book = analog tablet

[halcyon granite]

Ah like the Bible, got it

[novel cloud]

They burn wel apparently

[ocean heart]

It's probably agreeable that most of the frustration in debates coming from things being undefined and becoming one sided because of someone using that lack of definition to their advantage

which totally upsets the human need for fairness

[wicked hollow]

Spouse?

[ocean heart]

yeah basically

[bleak matrix]

g is accurate

[sudden isle]

I typically listen to audiobooks at 2x speed

[fervent thunder]

yeah, they are both wrong, it's obviously a wheelchair!

[ocean heart]

which seems like broken record boomer talk

[north stirrup]

it's one of the areas where people descend into absolutism because they see their debate position as tied to their sense of self

[north stirrup]

backwards lowercase delta!

[tight quartz]

§

[bleak matrix]

Someday I'll finish the books I have that I bought this year LOL

f

[ocean heart]

but a lot of the time, political arguments for instance are mostly ethical, and most of what people disagree on is rarely outcomes or principals, but the transition from principal to outcomes

[wicked hollow]

The hiragana syllable の (no)

[bleak matrix]

You could see it that way, too

[north stirrup]

creative, though

[sudden isle]

I just want the info uploaded straight into my brain

[tight quartz]

there is no spoon

[fervent thunder]

No spoon? ah, that's why all my soup is on the floor!

[halcyon granite]

guys am I gonna get a mob after me when I release my AI art generated game?

[north stirrup]

well, you can do that by reading, just there's this interstitial step where you have to hallucinate a little based on squiggles in front of your eyes 🤣

[novel cloud]

Splork? Spoon and fork

[tight quartz]

@halcyon granite only if you market it specifically to mobs

[ocean heart]

and of course, if the conversation is too much, one can simply ugga dugga and go lift heavy rock in the gym like most autistic power lifters

[north stirrup]

"splork"! https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/2012-09-20

[wicked hollow]

I'd say no, unless it's popular enough for people to look into that, then yes.

[halcyon granite]

any tips because it sounds like fun

[tight quartz]

@ocean heart ease up on those terms

[wicked hollow]

You know what, I agree with this. After all as they say, "Any publicity is good publicity."

[ocean heart]

I'm literally autistic, so I don't see an issue with it

[north stirrup]

It can seem offensive to other people.

[ocean heart]

especially since there's nothing wrong with being autistic

[halcyon granite]

same I'm autistic and hate when people treat it like an insult, it's not an offensive word

[tight quartz]

@ocean heart I said nothing about that.

[ocean heart]

so I have no idea why anyone would need to chill on using it then

it's just a descriptor like calling someone tall

[tight quartz]

It's context.

[bleak matrix]

Everyone has their own feelings and experiences.

[ocean heart]

sure, and the context seems to mostly be that there are things to consider when interacting with someone who has autism

[halcyon granite]

not everyones feelings are valid though

[tight quartz]

Some people might join in, and use it as an insult - despite other people not. I don't want to encourage the negative use of it by others, after having seen someone else mention it.

[halcyon granite]

for example, for some people 🥩 is offensive

[ocean heart]

right, trying to compete over appealing to absolutely everyone's feelings is as winnable as nuclear war, the only winning game is not to play. It's completely arbitrary

[tight quartz]

#wargames

[ocean heart]

thank you for catching that reference

[tight quartz]

i'm "burning CDs" years old

[wicked hollow]

I'm recording onto cassettes years old.

[ocean heart]

yeah man I remember using windows Vista as a kid and AI being something I only saw in movies or Fallout

[bleak matrix]

But are you playing records old?

[ocean heart]

depends if your dad is a musician or not

[tight quartz]

THAT

[novel cloud]

That could be even today

[wicked hollow]

ʸᵉˢ But only as it was a gift from my grandparents.

[tight quartz]

my user name was xXscottFox717Xx

[ocean heart]

I remember getting a ton of AOL CDs in my teens and going skeet shooting with them

[halcyon granite]

floppy disks should be repurposed as SSD

[tight quartz]

repurposed as drink coasters

[wicked hollow]

Ah yes. The X's. I remember those vividly playing Jedi Knight multiplayer.

[ocean heart]

if we just made the save icon an SSD then it would literally look like a featureless box

[north stirrup]

Someone should make an SSD with a floppy "interface" so you can have a terabyte drive that can be read in a normal floppy drive lol

[ocean heart]

Man japan would be all over it

there is still so many important government systems there that run on floppy disks

[wicked hollow]

I'd be surprised if something like that doesn't already exist.

[bleak matrix]

Not just drink coasters, but unlimited internet. 🤣

[halcyon granite]

fyi I own rights to this idea

[north stirrup]

you'd need something to read rotation and something to output magnetic sectors

[bleak matrix]

Use it, then make it a coaster

oh gall

[ocean heart]

that country is the only reason why they're still made

[bleak matrix]

Do you remember the cost?

[wicked hollow]

A few years ago I had heard that they were finally moving away from that. I suppose nuclear stuff is still on it though.

[bleak matrix]

Hahahahhaha

[ocean heart]

maybe, I actually don't know if japan has nukes or if it's our nukes. We officially stopped using floppy disks for those in 2012

[bleak matrix]

You know, we had this piano when I was young, and you could put this disc in it and it would actually record music you could put on your PC. Was pretty sweet for the time

[halcyon granite]

how about a floppy that can insert 30 1tb micro SD

[tight quartz]

@bleak matrix like those old KORG™ workstation pianos, yeah

[wicked hollow]

nice

[ocean heart]

honestly I just want intel Optane drives to not die yet

unless they or someone else is coming out with a replacement product for what it did

[wicked hollow]

Optane... was that 3d Xpoint?

[ocean heart]

yes

[bleak matrix]

It was so much fun to play with. I probably still have the discs somewhere...out there.....

[wicked hollow]

Yeah, I'd heard a lot of the support for that was dying away.

Man. I'm old enough to remember reading about that tech in scientific american mag when I was young.

[tight quartz]

#plannedObsolenence

[ocean heart]

and the application for it is better than ever if you want to run a mini home server or convert a laptop into a real work station

[bleak matrix]

I remember reading about self-driving cars with this system of nails being put into the road.

[wicked hollow]

Sorry. I laughed out loud at the misspell there.

[tight quartz]

nence

I'm typing with gloves on

it's cold

[ocean heart]

if it makes you feel better Scottie I'm from the south and I still can't spell anything without some correction program

[bleak matrix]

:<.....so am I

LOL

[wicked hollow]

Yeah. Cold here too, and this is Texas. Gotta be cold everywhere, heh.

[ocean heart]

kek yeah I'm about to leave for the gym and be self described for what I said earlier and there's a windchill warning in my area

[sudden isle]

There was heavy snow in Vancouver this week and whenever that happens, everyone forgets how to drive

[wicked hollow]

Stay warm!

[tight quartz]

I didn't come here to talk about the weather.

[bleak matrix]

Are you suuuuuuuuure?

[wicked hollow]

Ouch.

[tight quartz]

gottem

[wicked hollow]

You did indeed.

[ocean heart]

we could change it into climate change if you really want to

[wicked hollow]

NOPE. 🚨 NO THANKS

[ocean heart]

lmfao

[tight quartz]

space is fake - there's no such thing as planets

discuss

[bleak matrix]

That's right. Just watch Rocket Man.

Can't be real.

[wicked hollow]

Flat earth again huh. More like scorched earth...

[ocean heart]

this last semester I wrote a research paper on electric cars and all the climate change stuff was the hardest slog to get through just to find original source

[bleak matrix]

Moon landing. Totally playdough.

[novel cloud]

If you are high enough you can even go to planets

[tight quartz]

earth isn't round... it's spherical

https://tenor.com/view/whatever-hands-neil-degrasse-tyson-shrug-gif-16274429

[ocean heart]

okay actually interesting discussion here since we mentioned scorched earth

the covenant could actually use their glassing cannons to terraform planets as well as they did killing them

[tight quartz]

"how high are you rn?"

me: uhh.... 5 foot 7

[wicked hollow]

I feel called out.

[ocean heart]

I'll be real, the only time I've gotten high since I joined the marines like 7 years ago now was when I got out and did LSD and watched whacky ass anime with my friends until 4 in the morning and we all had migraines from laughing so god damn hard.

[wicked hollow]

Never been high. Never been drunk. I hate state-altering things--it's hard enough to be clear headed as it is, lol.

[ocean heart]

the only thing I've kinda decided I hate doing is pot, and it's a very personal choice

[tight quartz]

We can't really discuss that stuff in discord. Falls under TOS policies. Heads up.

[ocean heart]

thanks for the heads up

anyway, on the image2image, where is my best starting point for that? Where can I control the training data set, and where do I get information on doing my own training?

[wicked hollow]

Sigh Time to get to reading again. Discord's or Stability's?

[ocean heart]

probably falls under illegal activities, which is Discord wide

[tight quartz]

Discord has policies, StabilityAI can't supersede them, only reflect them.

[wicked hollow]

I getcha, I'm just asking which has it so I can read the TOS again.

[ocean heart]

man what I would do to have a free speech internet again

[novel cloud]

Do People read TOS?

[ocean heart]

not saying that to bitch about discord or this channel btw

but as hard line I can be about things, at heart I am a hippy who just wants to be able to talk about any subject without consequence

[north stirrup]

There are always social consequences to certain subjects

[ocean heart]

social consequences not really my concern, that's where I just have to be persuasive

[tight quartz]

TOS doesn't require people to read the policy in order for it to exist.

[ocean heart]

institutional consequences is the actual thing I get all emotional about

[peak orchid]

Looks like Patreon might now be going after those who create AI models, in line with Kickstarter

[wicked hollow]

Ok. It's not in Discord TOS, it may be Community Guidelines which Discord still wants people to adhere to. Reading through now.

[north stirrup]

no surprise there, that's the obvious move for the anti-AI folks

it'll all be going after making models, both because training on specific artists is questionable and because that's where we get hurt the most

[ocean heart]

well, rather I would have to be persuasive or be persuaded. The actual thing there is that I am on my own which means being on my own if people don't agree with me, but that's what I would always prefer in terms of consequences

[novel cloud]

There will always be models available. Were to get them is more the question then

[north stirrup]

Too optimistic; the point is to drive the tech underground so that it doesn't have access to money, which is kinda needed for making new base models (like SD)

[wicked hollow]

Wow. Discord updated the community guidelines and didn't put this info in the actual guidelines or TOS. Among other things:
"Off-platform behaviors. We will now consider relevant off-platform behaviors when making policy and enforcement assessments. This includes membership or association with a hate group, illegal activities, and hateful, sexual or other types of violent acts."

[ocean heart]

honestly I would love to see Stable Diffusion or a similar technology to be used by industries like manga. Imagine all the training data being based on a studios entire portfolio instead of what's just on the internet. I would think that would solve basically every issue over IP.

[wicked hollow]

So pretty much, if discord doesn't like you for any reason, they'll boot ya, lol.

[sudden isle]

Just like me fr fr

[north stirrup]

That's their 1A-guaranteed right…

[novel cloud]

Free speech, not Free of consequent

[wicked hollow]

Never said it wasn't.

[ocean heart]

man, Discord is really helping setup the push for home server and open source distributed social media like everybody fucking else

[tight quartz]

It's not an all-in-one solution. (TOS), that's why we have moderators and community leaders to help guide the content into a direction to keep users safe, and to keep the server safe as well.

It's a dynamic community .

[ocean heart]

the issue is that those violations and the "dynamic" nature of it all is completely arbitrary, and regardless of things like election outcomes or whatever the hell, company behavior like that is destroying the internet and they are throwing away their long term business strategy

[tight quartz]

no! not my internet!

[wicked hollow]

Speaking on that, I've read through the Discord TOS, the Community Guidelines, and the Updated Community guidelines and haven't found anything in regards to our conversation earlier. Can you help point me in the right direction that has that info? If it's a mod decision, no problem that's fine. But I'd love to know if it's in a particular ruleset that we can't discuss it.

[peak orchid]

Discord's cash cow right now is AI like Midjourney. They aren't going to jeopardize that I don't think

[wicked hollow]

The loud and few of 'public opinion' is a far stronger force than it should be right now.

[ocean heart]

I mean the instant and free exchange of ideas allowing for debate and problem solving enabled by the internet is arguably one of the best things that's ever happened for humanity

[north stirrup]

Equally, not moderating certain sorts of things would drive people away though; that's why advertisers have left Twitter

[ocean heart]

maybe, but that's all on the higher time preference side of business strategy

[tight quartz]

@wicked hollow it raised the discussion/promotion of activity can be illegal in most jurisdictions. In doing so, can jeopardize the server. Once again, you won't find "cannot talk about ________ " outlined specifically. So it falls under the community guideline part of "other illegal".

[ocean heart]

ultimately if the entire discussion on the internet is completely one sided or obviously strongly slanted, then people would rather not even interact

[tight quartz]

Besides, it would be an unfortunate outcome if that discussion led to breaking policy.

[ocean heart]

I wonder what the litmus is for a hate group is on Discords terms. Do they decide? Do they accept government definition? Does the ADL or the nation of Iran get to decide?

[wicked hollow]

Hmm. Ok. I still don't see a section in the official Discord documentation on "other illegal" or anything, but I respect your decision. 👍🏻

[uneven wasp]

Idi Amin said something like that

[ocean heart]

yeah but like, who on earth is not fine with social consequences

[tight quartz]

https://discord.com/guidelines

[ocean heart]

if the consequences are institutional, then it's not free speech, and it's worth getting mad about

[wicked hollow]

Ah! So this would be "promotion". Gotcha. Thanks for the illumination!

[tight quartz]

And also for others that would "engage" in the discussion or behavior.

[ocean heart]

I mean shit dude, it even has clauses on banning you for "misinformation" which is probably one of the most slanted arguments ever.

in university we actually explored how what is even considered misinformation is being ruined by misinformation

[wicked hollow]

Yeah. It's pretty established that they can ban for whatever they feel like. Especially "public opinion". But c’est la vie.

[ocean heart]

For God's sake, just let people have to be persuasive. the whole reason why discussion gets so heated and stupid on the internet now is because the winner is whoever convinces the moderator to ban the other person.

[wicked hollow]

Yeah, it's nice to have mods like Fox, who is personable and explanatory. I can think of others (not necessarily in this server) who aren't and/or are banhammer happy, heh.

[tight quartz]

At the end of it all - if there ever was an issue. Discord would be looking to see if we were properly handling and moderating the situation. That would be part of an appeal process. If discord finds that we did NOTHING to adhere to the TOS, then that would complicate defending our position.

[ocean heart]

right, don't take my comment as disrespect to you

[wicked hollow]

Aight. I'm off to do things. Great convos peeps!

[ocean heart]

I'm just making the claim that the way these rules have developed, it has accidentally developed a more toxic environment in the name of making a less toxic one

thanks, does anyone know where to get started on image2image though? I feel like that question got skimmed over

[tight quartz]

"The intolerance paradox"

[ocean heart]

exactly

because if something is intolerable, it arguably has justification to have a strong emotional reaction to it

[north stirrup]

What are you currently using?

[sudden isle]

I remember the first WallStreetBets server had like 4 million users in it. Was practically impossible to moderate

[tight quartz]

prompt2image = creating noise, and resolving it towards an output.
image2image = using a starting point as your noise, yet still resolving towards the prompt.
The outcome is such that your original image is altered by the parameter you choose.

[ocean heart]

nothing at the moment, I am trying to do a local install of stable diffusion and I want to know how all this works first before I have a bunch of wasted resources on my computer and I have to spend time and frustration cleaning it up

[sudden isle]

I haven't really touched SD since 1.3 tbh

[ocean heart]

ohhhhh, so it's standard diffusion, just a different setting?

[tight quartz]

@sudden isle we've come a long way

[north stirrup]

Yep

[ocean heart]

that's righteous

[north stirrup]

Just starting with an image instead of pure noise

[ocean heart]

man so I might actually accomplish my goals without even having to change the training set then

[north stirrup]

then "denoising" or perhaps more clearly, "diffusing" to another image with "less noise" according to the prompt

[ocean heart]

because I'm trying to basically convert images into sharp black and white line art that's good for converting into an SVG for a laser engraver

[sudden isle]

Is there like a good colab for running SD2 🤔. I used to be a fan of deforum since I could leave it to run for 50 images or so

[tight quartz]

@ocean heart I'd look into "edge detection" software. (Of course using AI to get it to a good direction) but the edges will be translated as an after workflow tool.

[ocean heart]

so potentially my entire problem solving process could be good prompt engineering then

[tight quartz]

true

[north stirrup]

possibly, though some images might be harder to resolve to line art than others

[ocean heart]

I've experimented with a few edge detection softwares out there, and I haven't found a good solution under $2000

I'm trying to see if I can be clever and use stable diffusion instead

yeah but like anime images would be the primary target

[tight quartz]

@sudden isle (I'm from the deforum dev crew) we're working on 2.0 & 2.1 implementation, natively. There are some branches and forks, however - if you navigate github.

[ocean heart]

okay so my steps so far is making the local install of stable diffusion on my computer and start experimenting with prompt engineering?

[tight quartz]

@ocean heart what build are you installing? A UI, something custom? An auto-installer?

I feel most of them come with an option of using "init_image"

[ocean heart]

well my issue is trusting what to download and the install instructions

is there a guide available on this server to get my hands dirty on a standard build?

[tight quartz]

Poll the community, they'll tell you what's the best.

[north stirrup]

https://github.com/AUTOMATIC1111/stable-diffusion-webui

[tight quartz]

^

[north stirrup]

It works, it's safe, many people are using it

[ocean heart]

okay great. that'll be my starting point then

[sudden isle]

Good to know, also need to read up on the new prompt meta as well

[north stirrup]

it includes installation instructions; be sure to install Python 3.10 and not 3.11

[ocean heart]

wish I knew more about how to use github, but I've got time until my next semester starts

[north stirrup]

You install git, then open a command line and git clone https://github.com/AUTOMATIC1111/stable-diffusion-webui.git

[ocean heart]

rad

[north stirrup]

it basically just copies the contents of the github repository to a folder on your computer

[ocean heart]

oh, super convenient

[north stirrup]

later you can update it by opening a command line inside the folder it makes and typing git pull

[tight quartz]

@sudden isle If deforum is your favorite outlet - you can grab documentation there.

[ocean heart]

cool, after I copy the files, do I just follow the README?

[tight quartz]

follow README, and touch base here if you get lost

[north stirrup]

I wouldn't copy the files manually

Follow https://github.com/AUTOMATIC1111/stable-diffusion-webui#installation-and-running

[ocean heart]

by copy the files it is with the assumption that I have used the github desktop cloning application

[north stirrup]

OK

[ocean heart]

Also, is there any information out there on how to train my own weights?

[lyric kite]

Hey I've been watching many videos on installing Automatic1111 webUI, but I can't seem to figure out how to do it for a Mac, does anyone have any knowledge or resources

[frank moon]

Any links to good models you all recommend? Don't want to chance getting them from anywhere sketchy.

Not looking for any particular styles, just stuff I can apply to people.

[ionic topaz]

What's the best google colab UI with v2 support?

[willow flicker]

Hey, is there settings for RunwayML Stable Diffusion 1.5 to get the same results as Dream Studio's Stable Diffusion 1.5?

[ocean heart]

okay so, I managed to install it locally on my machine and I'm running my first prompt

is there any way to get it to use my GPU resources?

[still sequoia]

Any mods here? There seems to be some questionable things going on with bots 1 and 2. Possibly some of the anti-AI crowd

@sudden marlin

[sudden marlin]

Appreciate the concern towards this. Once we noticed what was being generated the user was banned. Just in the process of removing the posts

[north stirrup]

Out of curiosity, what kind of abuse was it?

[tidal temple]

Is there a good FaceSwap AI to swap my self onto some sick images?

[elder cradle]

I'm wondering: If Stability AI is a big company, why don't we just simply sue back dumb "anti AI" individuals, but rather let them accomplish their intentions?

[uneven wasp]

Because it’s not worth it

[peak orchid]

Its likely the group from <discord site>/invite/7cAAEtzs as they were using a similar strategy on Unstable Diffusion in addition to mass reporting their bots.

They are encouraging their members to engage in this sort of targeted harassment and abuse towards Stable Diffusion communities

[elder cradle]

Damn, they're literally becoming angry children in my opinion. If they really want to express their dissatisfication, do something better instead of this

[tight quartz]

Friends, if you see that activity going on, please report it. It is against Discord TOS to rally/gather/plan attacks or harassment, or to use the platform as a means to promote the same.

[dawn yarrow]

oh no boo hoo people that dont like AI suck an android

can we stop on reporting artists who hate their own work replaced by a machine that is exempliary artificial intelligence to the core? gimme a break with banning SD and all this anti anti AI art stuff wt

[carmine fulcrum]

You can't copyright AI generated works anyway. Stable Diffusion terms of service also says anything generated can't have a copyright.

[dawn yarrow]

nft

[uneven wasp]

But how copylefted is the model? The the users of the other fine tuned models floating around bound by the same license? If someone puts up a fine tuned model with no license can the outputs generated by users of that model be bound by the license of another model they may have neither agreed to or been informed of?

[lofty parcel]

I think the no-copyright thing is at least a precedent set in the U.S., that anything generated by a machine can't be copyrighted

[carmine fulcrum]

https://stability.ai/stablediffusion-terms-of-service

Note that while users have forfeited copyright (and any/all intellectual property right claims) on these images, they are still public domain and can be used by anyone for any purpose, including by the user. Feel free to use images from DreamStudio Beta and the Stable Diffusion beta Discord service for anything, including commercial purposes.

[uneven wasp]

Authorship needs to be human for it to be copyrightable in the US, but where is the line between SD being a tool used in production and disqualifying the human from any authorship

[carmine fulcrum]

https://www.cbr.com/ai-comic-deemed-ineligible-copyright-protection/

The United States Copyright Office (USCO) reversed an earlier decision to grant a copyright to a comic book that was created using "A.I. art," and announced that the copyright protection on the comic book will be revoked, stating that copyrighted works must be created by humans to gain official copyright protection.

[uneven wasp]

A photo is created by a machine, and the user needs only press a button to create it, but curating and seeking out the real life things to take a photo of qualifies as human authorship

[little plaza]

You can copyright partially ai created works, the copyright office basically has said they'll review it on a case by case basis to determine if there is 'enough' human input.

[uneven wasp]

The exact line is unclear, and the US copyright office has surprisingly limited rule making powers. Although it’s a weaker case practically, the courts are probably the ultimate authority in whether it can be copyrighted, as you don’t actually need US copyright office approval to hold or own a copyright

[uneven wasp]

Skimming it, it appears the license applies primarily to the discord bot and the website, I’d have to comb through the thing everybody checks when they download the huggingface weights

You must give any Third Party recipients of the Model or Derivatives of the Model a copy of this License

[storm willow]

Hey guys! Why are there so many services that still use 1.5 version? For example https://playgroundai.com/ is still using 1.5 version. And the latest feature they released is based on 1.5

[uneven wasp]

You may add Your own copyright statement to Your modifications and may provide additional or different license terms and conditions - respecting paragraph 4.a. - for use, reproduction, or Distribution of Your modifications, or for any such Derivatives of the Model as a whole, provided Your use, reproduction, and Distribution of the Model otherwise complies with the conditions stated in this License.

[uneven wasp]

The 1.5 model is regarded as better, as they neutered the dataset in 2.x a bit to appeal to public criticism.

It’s getting better but many of the finetuned models I’ve seen sites use are branches of 1.5 as well

[uneven wasp]

Good to know it’s not a blanket policy, but I’m curious what their actual standard is going to be

[old marten]

A bit? I don't think removing artists, celebrities, and NSFW is "a bit"

Only casual plebs use 2.0 atm until a workaround is found

[storm willow]

Guys, you are incredible! Thanks for such a quick answer

[uneven wasp]

I use it because I need depth for my current project.

Also I like 2.x embeddings better

[little plaza]

You could probably just ask the copyright office directly i think, that's what they are there for.

Assuming you are in the US

[uneven wasp]

Depends on your use case. I use it to generate people far less than most people do, so I haven’t experienced the brunt of the effect, so for me it is actually “a bit”

[uneven wasp]

Yea I probably could, but things are moving fairly fast right now so it might end up being outdated by the time it matters

[waxen ember]

Um... You haven't been in the 2-point-1 channel at all, have you?

[astral goblet]

uhm, i think it's people who rely on "greg rutkowski" who are the casuals that won't veer away into unknown latent spaces. if your prompt is good enough it doesn't need an artist name to look good. this was true before 2.x too. If you're descriptive of a style then it's as good as the name.

[fierce marten]

hi guys

ahem, anyone knows where 'common questions bout stable diffusion' channel is?

[lofty parcel]

#1014939219904450590 ?

[peak orchid]

They only tried to remove porn from 2.0, but ended up accidentally removing most humans by using the wrong filter setting. 2.1 is less filtered. They also didn't remove artists or celebrities from 2.x, its just the new text encoder they used does not seem to perform as well stylistically as the old OpenAI one used for the 1.x models

[frank moon]

Are there any models that will morph humans in a photo into a character like a cartoon animal?

[urban violet]

Is it possible to make images as good as Midjourney and Niji Journey on Stabke Diffusion?

[unreal eagle]

is anyone working on a RLHF model besides midjourney?

[unreal eagle]

kinda sorta but not rly

they did the RLHF on their model supposedly

just wondering if anyone is doing the RLHF yet besides them

[urban violet]

I use Anything V3 and Openjourney. If I can combine those two models, then it could be possible to create something like Niji Journey for free.

Why not?

[unreal eagle]

itll be kinda sorta like it but not rly

i tried both those

u might get some luck with the dreamlike diffusion model too

they have it on huggingface and on dreamlike.art

[clear oyster]

Does midjourney pay people to do that or use their users?

[pliant locust]

hey so for lack of a better term, is there a catch to using the dreambot channels? Like are there credits or a limited number of uses for each user? Or is there some kind of fee?

[sonic tundra]

no, lol

[fervent thunder]

Is SD useful for business product shots? like train images of products and generate using them?

[pliant locust]

lmao thank you, ive been playing with it for 30 min now and was sweating thinking whether or not I was allowed to lol

[fervent thunder]

Also does anyone know where / how I can make those stop motion looking ai videos??

[wide juniper]

Does restore faces actually work? I'm beginning to suspect it's just placebo

[tawdry forum]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwVGDGc6-3o

Amazing open source tool featuring a model I created.

[elder cradle]

You can see this as an example of face restoration https://github.com/AUTOMATIC1111/stable-diffusion-webui/wiki/Features#face-restoration

[cold siren]

yes

you might be using it on some wrong kind of faces. iirc it can screw up non-photorealistic faces like cartoons/anime

...and someone definitely should make a kind of restore hands too

[abstract lantern]

What sampler is being used by default here, euler? Also is it possible to change?

[warm owl]

Hey guys, I’m kinda new here so I’m sorry if this is not the right place. I’m a bit new to training stuff, and I’ve finally found out a way to train on my 6GB VRAM laptop. I want to train an embedding using Anything V3 as the base model and 16 512x512 images of a character. Any recommendations?

[storm bramble]

Hey

Can't we use Stability Ai in JavaScript project?

[lofty parcel]

Yep
How you'd implement it depends on what you want to do

[fervent thunder]

Does anyone recognize this song, please? 1:30 - 3:00 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TB79fG8WyQ

[storm bramble]

Is there an NPM package to install it?

[ionic topaz]

What software do you guys use for stable diffusion v2?

InvokeAI doesn't support it yet:/

[lofty parcel]

Well, basically you have a few options depending on your goals:

1. Run SD locally on your own computer
2. Use an existing web API to generate images
3. Run your own instance of SD in the cloud

The stuff you have to install, program, and set up depends on which one of these options you choose

I'm using option 1 for experimentation and I'll be using option 3 to deploy a commercial application

Option 2 has very minimal setup but you might have to pay and it might not have everything you need

[storm bramble]

How to run it locally ? Also is it free if we run it locally?

[broken gull]

Why is the twich live stream on 10PM....

[elfin wharf]

has anyone seen a ben garrison model?

[dapper flax]

Gm guys

[unreal eagle]

how do i run my own stablecog

[lilac reef]

are there any other, and more active, discords for SD besides this one?

[white mountain]

Nerdy Rodent just put out a video on LORA training on 6gb. It's a bit complicated process but it worked on my card

[lilac reef]

Yeah, good stuff but still

[white mountain]

Wait I misread you. You weren't asking how to train on 6gb

[lilac reef]

I wouldn't jump on the LORA bandwagon just yet until we see what all the new stuff is coming in about 2 weeks (after the holidays) from emad and SAI.

[white mountain]

I don't expect to get anything better with my amount of vram ever

I can't even do textual inversion on my card

[lilac reef]

I feel ya

[white mountain]

Not without switching to fp16 (which is extremely slow on my card, much slower than LORA for worse results)

[lilac reef]

I can do TI but no previews and it takes 12m with 1 image doing 100 epochs

nerdy's 6gb was really bad as I suspect 8gb is the real min

[white mountain]

I got good results

[lilac reef]

he didn't

btw, how did you merge?

[white mountain]

I hit generate ckpt as he said to do

[lilac reef]

6mb and merge fascinates me

[jagged cave]

anybody know of a way to batch remove watermarks and subtitles from images (video is also ok)?

[wide juniper]

What’s the reasoning behind sticking to 512x512?

[lilac reef]

I no longer do 512

[wide juniper]

I read about sd generating double characters when beyond 512x512, but I’m not sure if it’s superstition

[lilac reef]

use the 768 2.x and you are fine

[wide juniper]

I'm sorry what's that?

[white mountain]

It's only a model

[fervent thunder]

Does anyone know this song, please? 1:30 - 3:00 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TB79fG8WyQ

[forest apex]

Well its only been about an hour on a LORA training with a 1060/6GB, 100 steps, preview images look good, will see soon

[lilac reef]

I have that same card so interested.

[forest apex]

5 minutes left. if it fails right at the end I'll kill my browser, that should work.

[lilac reef]

I'd stick the browser on non hardware acceleration

[forest apex]

have to relaunch ;/

[lilac reef]

Ahhh, yeah

the video released about LORA I didn't like his results on 6GB

[forest apex]

I did a bunch of training on 8GB until I realized I was using the keyword/class combo wrong... what was wrong with nerdy's results?

[lilac reef]

for 6gb they were janky

[forest apex]

Steps: 99%|██████████████████████████████████████████▍| 1774/1800 [56:29<00:46, 1.80s/it, loss=0.473, lr=0.0002, vram=3.8/4.9GB]

[lilac reef]

how many images?

that loss rate is pretty high too

[forest apex]

18 hand captioned

[lilac reef]

I hate captioning so I don't do it.

[forest apex]

i was just like, the handsomest young man ever, for each one, it was pretty ez

[lilac reef]

LOL

Well, a lot of people spend hours captioning for Joe Penna's DB and that is not for me

beautiful stuff but no

[forest apex]

ok, idk, the preview images were fine, now its just people that look similar to me lol

[ivory coral]

Hello, how to separately detail different entities?

[forest apex]

@ivory coral in dreambooth?

[lilac reef]

in DB that normally is a sign of textual encoding failure

or the class creeping

Had that once myself

basically, when everything starts to look like you then you have over trained tor the wrong class was picked and it spreads out to everything

In my case I chose a class and trained, and it spread out that I could see it using the prompt to fill out various classes and everything from their classes was gone

[forest apex]

bruh, i forgot to select the lora model

[lilac reef]

Well, I am not training anything since 2.0 dropped for models because I know what is coming and if I can't do it on colab free then it doesn't get done

[forest apex]

well, I have a lot of trainings to vaguely mess up before the next version drops

[lilac reef]

New colab notebooks, optimizations, speed ups, 2.2 all due after holidays so I can, and will, wait.

tools as well

[forest apex]

have you found any difference in the scheduler chosen when you create the model to train db?

[lilac reef]

yes

now I have no idea for 2.x though

[forest apex]

it did DDIM the first time. I hope the new version has some memory optimizations, at 8GB everything is just barely fitting

also, I use a few negative prompts under concepts when training, how about that? Olivio Sarikas used them in his older video

[keen lichen]

Is this discord affiliated with Unstable Diffusion?

[forest apex]

not at all

[keen lichen]

Okay.

[lilac reef]

for DB I never used prompts

neg or otherwise

[forest apex]

ok. i tried so many times and so much stuff I'm not sure what was wrong beyond not having a class name, but now I can train on two machines simultaneously and they take about an hour each

[gritty ivy]

Hi guys , i realy get frustate about those artist who want to ban ai (i'm an artist to btw) , it's something that we can do to stop them ?

[winter pike]

https://tenor.com/view/lisa-simpson-just-dont-look-gif-14730304

just ignore them, theres no return

even if they somehow shut down stability.ai theres still lots of backups of the models

[lilac reef]

It is absolutely imperative it has a class name or it will spread out all over the place and take over all classes like a virus.

[gritty ivy]

Idk how they are so selfish

[forest apex]

propaganda is a pretty powerful influencer.

seen quite a few people rabidly angry at things they don't understand, past few years... kind of a trend.

[lilac reef]

I have a new embedding (my third one) that I can't even put on reddit as they negative karma me. My last one (when they started to get really wild) had 8 positive because it got hit with so many negative karma by the brigaders.

[forest apex]

have to use the negative attention to your benefit. I mean, the unstable diffusion discord just hit 100k members last night, a thousand have joined since then.

[lilac reef]

No attention they just negative the post.

karma is a stupid invention anyway

[forest apex]

the person who used midjourney and is trying to get a copywrite just posted that they have not been denied, they are still in process - but the news is that they were in fact denied. still, they are receiving a bunch of exposure either way.

lol, and now Artstation HQ is telling these people who are trying to flood the trending section with No to AI posts that they are spamming... ^_^

[winter pike]

cause theyre now forced to improve their skills, they see ai as a competitor instead of just a (currently imperfect) tool

[lilac reef]

meh, not worth the hassle to me so my embeddings stay with me.

[gritty ivy]

Bruh is so frustated that i want to stop doing art because of those artist .

[gritty ivy]

I think is not about skills , is about money and i don't fking know when art industry was profitable

[forest apex]

very few artists make a profit, a few subsist, but art is not about money, they are all art students who are taught otherwise though.

its almost like their types are the ones flooding the market with commercialized cookie cutter art. really transformative works always stand out though.

[gleaming lotus]

Hello all 🙂 Anyone knows tonight at event stream @ twitch will there be live captions for deaf people ?

[gritty ivy]

idk

[winter pike]

its probably both, skills means better images which means money, ai art made the standard higher cause now you can generate hq art faster

[gritty ivy]

yeah , but you can combine ai art with your skill and will result an masterpiece

[winter pike]

i kinda miss those Big Sleep ai generations, they were low quality but lowkey charming

i still have my generations saved

[winter pike]

exactly, they still are in a better position cause they have the skills

they can easily make a generated image mode detailed

[safe sapphire]

& unreal engine raised its quality

[gritty ivy]

yes

i realy don't like that propaganda

I hope those dudes will learning more about the benefits of ai

[brazen smelt]

where should I go here to chat about having an issue with invokeai, followed the tutorial with screenshots but hit a wall once i've tried to launch the browser interface

[peak orchid]

Use them as training data to create a Big Sleep aesthetic model!

[mortal narwhal]

How midjourney trains? Its quality is so good. Can same be achieved with stable diffusion

[peak orchid]

The anti-AI art Twitter accounts are blowing up at the conversations we had with Emad on here yesterday, but at least they seem to be censoring people's usernames this time

Also, the Society of Illustrators and the Graphic Artists Guild have both recently come out against AI art. Some of these guild have a lot of political power, which makes me worried that they could pressure politicians for bans and other bad ideas.

[lilac reef]

Oh, they will

[winter pike]

i was thinking the same, but i have like 4-5 images

its a good idea tho

[winter pike]

maybe they will spam the twitch live with anti-ai messages

[severe gate]

I've recently suffered a job loss and it's got me thinking about the wider implications of A.I art generators, the anti A.I art movement and well just life in general.

Feel like this is the best community to share my woes with.

https://youtu.be/KEPgaGq1zA8

[mild ridge]

hey, will Emad give a talk today?

[untold ocean]

Love this video!

[warm umbra]

yeah, check Announcements video for your timezone

[severe gate]

Thanks Kaj, it's cathartic openly exploring it all to be fair. It has made me massively sad recently seeing people go against the tech rather than trying to embrace it. It is a scary future but the reality is. This technology is helping people express themselves and I think that's important in the modern world

[untold ocean]

for sure. There's a lot more creativity in the world, all we need to do is unlock it

[warm umbra]

I feel the same way, whats even more heartbraking is that plenty of artist I've hung around with in the past are against it
If I didn't leave the online art niche I was in years ago they would certainly have threw me out now

[sleek osprey]

whats going to be discussed in the livestrweam?

[lilac reef]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ias8qaUylQ8

[wise stratus]

Nobody anti this has actually asked for a formal debate or discussion

[gloomy swallow]

guys how can i make my own model like waifu diffusion?

[wise stratus]

I actually reply to questions and stuff unlike most

For some reason they stopped tagging me in twitter too

I find the legal accusations the weirdest

[brazen fox]

I feel like it's more of a pitchfork-mob thing than reasonable debate

[lethal kiln]

Luddites are gonna Loom Smash, we all knew this was coming, it’ll pass

[wise stratus]

Like we have a legal system not received anything on that front

[warm umbra]

well its a mass hysteria so yeah

[gloomy swallow]

I can download training data and label it myself, no problem.
can someone explain how waifu diffusion model was created. I'm just learning :)

[wise stratus]

But wouldn’t having a legal brief be better than hiring a lobbyist

If lobbyists really worked we would just hire three

[fervent thunder]

Unpopular opinion: most problems outside of potential copyright issues is rooted in late stage capitalism (being corporate overestimating the current power of text-to-image programs in hopes of saving a penny).

[wise stratus]

Plus what they are trying to push would be like DMCA but for art

[lethal kiln]

Thing is, even if they had a legal case (they don’t) it wouldn’t stop AI taking over. Look at Hollywood’s War on P2P File Sharing, and look how well that War went.

[wise stratus]

Which centralises power in big companies and screws independents

[urban jacinth]

https://github.com/harubaru/waifu-diffusion contains the scripts / stuff they used to train the model

[wise stratus]

All of Hollywood and video games will use this tech. Source: me talking to ceos and ctos there

[gloomy swallow]

oh nice... thanks a lot :D

[wise stratus]

File sharing didn’t save them zillions

Get media made faster and better

[obsidian magnet]

is the Twitch thing still happening?

[lethal kiln]

That’s the thing, Indie Devs will be able to make games far easier too

[fervent thunder]

Legal stuff takes time. Might take months before anything even start. Wasn't the average "large scale" settlement something like 2 years?

[lethal kiln]

If this whole AI Art fiasco has shown us anything though it’s that BCIs are going to be another whole Pandora’s Box, once people can be augmented to master any skill almost instantly like Data from Star Trek it’s going to have profound backlash by Vanilla Humans. Deus Ex Human Revolution was really prophetic.

[warm umbra]

my thought exactly

[gritty ivy]

I have received death threats because I explained to them that art has never been a profitable industry and that they can use AI to improve their art.

[warm umbra]

I've joked about this with artist in the past
they just showed their true colors, if anyone can get them they will rage, if only the elite can get them they will rage ... they want it but only for themselves

[gritty ivy]

I do not believe that these people are capable of thinking objectively. I have not seen anyone address others with such threats. I truly do not want to live in a future where we will starve to death.

[lethal kiln]

Everyone’s gonna do it, bodybuilders will be mad when people can get buff with drugs, nanotech or printing a body like in Altered Carbon, people just don’t like technology making their lives and goals easier.

[sharp robin]

Off current topic but: Guys anyway to view steps while generating, interrupt generation and select a seed to perform variations? Like you get a sense of the composition in a batch of 20, and select a seed to perform variations without having to wait for 20+ generations to end?

[lethal kiln]

I’m a lifter myself, I know it’s coming, and I intend to use it like anyone else, best thing you can do is merge with the tech yourself.

[sharp robin]

In auto's or other local install

[gritty ivy]

Yes, but they use technologies that already use AI. What I would consider fair is for them to completely give up technology and go live in the forest.

[lilac reef]

"Starving artist" is a term that has been around for centuries and with good reason.

[fervent chasm]

im training a face for the first time and it's generating a likeness to the face really slowly, now getting to 4000+ iterations at 1 batch. These youtube tutorials seem to have been done when batches were higher or so. Anyone remember what the default batch used to be?

[lethal kiln]

Being a Luddite is essentially a very mild variant of Anarcho Primitivism

[gritty ivy]

Yes, I explained to them about a popular case, Vincent Van Gogh, but they simply chose to say it was not true and threatened me with death and other insults.

[lilac reef]

Yes, and AP they will go out and destroy anything they deem is not primitive.

[lilac reef]

Been there before.