cabs shape challenge #1.5 crystalline [hard mode of #1]

[tardy flume]

diarem, now with crystals
like last time, ya need sandbox
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[small light]

holy frijoles, is that a shape with two sets of 4-color crystal? That looks like the kinda thing that would give Mari and company heart attacks for their TMAMs

[fallow chasm]

not really, there's no gaps or pins, so a simple corner MAM could do that shape

[small light]

I havent seen a corner crystal BP, but 5 BP points says you need an additional shape input to get it working correctly

[soft spire]

{crcccycm:cwcbcrcg:CwRbCwRb:SgWrSgWr}

[ocean magnet]

I was able to make the factory for this (on a 3x3) even though you are only provided a 2 layer shape

[small light]

you have a corner crystal bp?

[ocean magnet]

this is a very easy shape for my TMAM

[small light]

Kudos, then.

[soft spire]

The shape is easy, but the puzzle is in using only the inputs provided. There are 2 belts of {CwRbCwRb:SgWrSgWr} and 1 launcher each of 6 different colors.

[soft spire]

(especially if you need to make a full belt of output)

[ocean magnet]

The version I got (yesterday in the other thread), only had the bottom 4 colors (iirc). Adding the top two was technically unnecessary. 😉

[small light]

its the corner crystal all different colors that get to me. You'd have to double diagonal each individual corner to raise the crystal you need correctly

at least I think thats the trick

[ocean magnet]

Yeah that's not happening in this space

[small light]

...I get that right along with an unrelated shape for ensuring you crystal only what you need?

[ocean magnet]

Maybe it's not happening with only 2 belts of input too

@pliant ice I think you would really like this challenge (at least figuring out how to do it)

[pliant ice]

i see nothing special

[ocean magnet]

Look way closer

[pliant ice]

i dont get it

what is so special?

[small light]

id say corner crystals but he must see somthing else

[ocean magnet]

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[pliant ice]

i can still think of how to solve it lol

its not that hard..

[ocean magnet]

I found it very convoluted

[pliant ice]

|| pin pushers and swappers are your friend ||

[ocean magnet]

k nvm you're just better

[pliant ice]

lol

[small light]

yeah that was my thought too, just need a single diagonal shape under normal circumstances

[ocean magnet]

My solution had nothing to do with "diagonals" (but you may mean something I'm not thinking about)

[small light]

if you can raise the corners without needing another shape, Id like to see the BP

This was the type of thing Mari advised I do when I did an Insane run

[soft spire]

What would it need to make a full belt? One more launcher of red?

[small light]

Had trouble with the last milestone. Half swappers and a diagonal fixed the problem. Eventually

[ocean magnet]

I just used fluid producers in my mock up so idek

my (very messy) mock up on a 3x3:

||my method can't be done in insane mode||

[small light]

wait til cabs wanders back here, he might be in for a treat in this thread

[ocean magnet]

I wonder if cabs even knows how to do it or has even realized what makes it special...

[ocean magnet]

@small light have you had a chance to look at this? (I won't like it but I can wait)
it is what you were thinking?

[soft spire]

There's basically two ways of getting different color crystals on top of each other. Either way is possible here, but one is a bit easier than the other.

[ocean magnet]

I can think of two ways, but one simply can't work here because ||you don't have a 1-layer shape||

[soft spire]

||But you can make them - same way as making 1-layer pins||

[ocean magnet]

||yesterday I started by trying to figure out how to do that but I switched to the other method before I figured that out||

||ok yeah that wasn't that hard||

[ocean magnet]

||so this is possible in insane mode?||

[ocean magnet]

||making a 1 layer shape uses so many fewer buildings than the top down method||

[ocean magnet]

This is probably possible as the (previous) 12x12 tile version (but it would be very very hard).

[pliant ice]

not a full belt but done on the platform that was posted

[ocean magnet]

||I suspected that double corners would be way smaller...||

[pliant ice]

i did this quick so it could def be better

[ocean magnet]

Do you think you could make it fit in a 12x12 area (given (let's say) 25 hours to work on it)?

[pliant ice]

so a 1x1?

[ocean magnet]

2 tiles smaller in each dimension than a 1x1

[pliant ice]

maybe? i didnt really utilize the floors too much other than color and a little bit of crystal

still loads of room to play around and get a full belt or something

[pliant ice]

with that much time i assume so.. prob not a full belt tho but tbh i wouldnt want to spend a day on this lol

[ocean magnet]

I wanted to say infinite time but decided not to

25 would be way too much time to spend on this (but not really unrealistic)

[ocean magnet]

Do you think the basic claw and/or piggy would make for interesting goal shapes in a challenge like this? Maybe some other "classic" shape?

[pliant ice]

ive posted a challenge or two.. the only person who solved it iirc was fatcat lol

[pliant ice]

https://discord.com/channels/1000343719314198548/1355162731761635368

i think sikerow tried but idk if they finished it sikerow and fatcat figured out and also robos but they didnt post solution or anything

[small light]

No I couldnt wire to save my life, I just banter with Mari and co, though they DID get me out of a jam once

Most I could do is offer my two cents to experts in the field. With predictable results

[ocean magnet]

solution that ||makes 1 layer shapes||:

[small light]

Hey I was right.

You need a diagonal to make the corner crystals. Pairs of them

[ocean magnet]

It doesn't need to be done that way though (my first method didn't use them)

[tardy flume]

ok hold

cabs shape challenge #1.5 crystalline [hard mode]

cabs shape challenge #1.5 crystalline [hard mode of #1]

[orchid flume]

Hey I am new to these challenges, just played insane for the first time this update. In the challenge are we only limited to the 2x1 platform that is provided?

[small light]

these challenges are usually improvised, just scroll up and read OP's post

[soft spire]

1/3 Belt Solution

Uses 2/3 of a belt of the input shapes. But they could be recycled and only need 1/3 of a belt of the shapes.

In theory, there is enough inputs to make 3/4 of a belt of output.