#12 Belt MAM / CMAM - Compact, Fast, Stackable, One-click Configure, Convertible

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unique marlin
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Output size: 4x3 12-belt of 4-layer shapes
Building count: 75k - Compressed an additional 25% from my last already-good design (Haven't seen a smaller one yet)
Capability: All ROS#0, ROS#1 shapes
Signal configuration: One-click configure on the left side obtrusion platform. All bottom layer signals will auto pass down the platforms.
Input configuration: train track of each color: 1 five-shapes (CRSWP) train, 1 three-colors (rgb) train. (For CMAM, 1 additional three-colors train for full output speed)

Shapes travel time is also heavily optimized.
Created a 2-in-1 module for crystallization & stacking as well.
Enjoy.

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unique marlin
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# unique marlin

Blueprint Infos :

Version : 1095 / 0.0.8, Blueprint type : Platform, Blueprint cost : 2,203,777, Platform unit cost : 696
Building count : 75,747, Building size : 415x296x3, Building tiles : 85,475
Platform count : 224, Platform size : 21x24, Platform tiles : 444
Icons : Platforms, <empty>, <empty>, {RuRuRuRu}

📎 3D_viewer_link.txt
flint flare
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The red color for 2 of the 4 painters per layer are not connected.

unique marlin
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Oops thanks for letting me know. Is it in the crystal color mixer section or painter section?

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unique marlin
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Seems that I didn't find anything that's not connected.

flint flare
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Painter section, in the screenshot is the blue color, one of the color jumpers goes nowhere, is a easy fix.

unique marlin
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Ah Got it! Fixed in the newest blueprint

final cargo
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Thanks for the inspiration, I'm taking a crack at building my own with a similar layout. I'd been stuck with my previous design that took up too much space so I'd been trying to downsize 3x3 modules to 2x2s but seems better what you did trying to combine modules onto a 3x3.

vapid lotus
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@unique marlin How do you have your trains not return on the wrong line? For example, for top layer I have 1 red train for the shapes and I have 1 red train for the colors. The issue is, that when both trains return from the main feeding train line, they'll both return on the same path leading to one of them never returning back to their proper 'station'. Any ideas?

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Here is a picture to explain better. The highlighted tracks are both green inbound. However when returning back to their stations, both sets of green trains will take the top more straight path.

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flint flare
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You need to use different colors trains if you want them to take different paths.

floral lark
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this is really nice. perfect to understand how a mam should work

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thx

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if there is only one layer, the shapes will block in the second "layer row". it blocks in the assembly.
or i missed something ?

unique marlin
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minor holly
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Can this handle 5 layers?

floral lark
unique marlin
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see the top part has two difference signals haha

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You issue comes from there is no shapes coming from the top.

floral lark
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ho so the first layer should always start at the left then if there is a second layer it will be the second to the left and so on ?

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ok i understand now how you create this. thx 🙂

unique marlin
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# unique marlin Improved bug fix version:

Blueprint Infos :

Version : 1095 / 0.0.8, Blueprint type : Platform, Blueprint cost : 2,204,685, Platform unit cost : 696
Building count : 75,771, Building size : 415x296x3, Building tiles : 85,499
Platform count : 224, Platform size : 21x24, Platform tiles : 444
Icons : Platforms, <empty>, <empty>, {RuRuRuRu}

📎 3D_viewer_link.txt
floral lark
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it is the red color ? because i just see a missing pipe

unique marlin
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yup. Fixed the missing pipe issue

marble token
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Hey man, there's a missing pipe on the top section in V6. One of the paint launchers (blue) doesn't land on anything. I've used this all day.

Thanks so much it works amazingly.

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It's right here

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unique marlin
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No problem! Yup it's fixed now

radiant mango
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Amazing Design! P-P-P-P-:crcrcrcr:WuWuWuWu these don't work.

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no biggie I know, just wanted to point it out ^^

minor holly
floral lark
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I add a check just before the loading for de train

Also move the blue entrance. so that way all 3 colors is on the same block

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verbal blade
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how do i operate this MAM

floral lark
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There is some little change I made
remove warning, add a control center, move some pipes, add a checkup after each layer (before stacker)
thx for your work, this mam is amazing

📎 MAM_SeanCheey_modified_by_okuni.spz2bp
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floral lark
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verbal blade
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where is the unloader

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so (SHAPE & COLOR)

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im also Missing the 3x3 platform (meaning i cant place it until i unlock the 3x3 Plat)

verbal blade
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how do i get the resources to Even start the thing!?

verbal blade
verbal blade
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how do i set up my MAM

verbal blade
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HOW DO I CONFIGURE THIS [MAM]

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HOW DO I WORK IT!?

floral lark
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Ho calm down dude.
First if you are missing the 3w3 platform you can't do nothing so u lock it first. Also I recommande unlocking everything...

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You need to load every differents shapes. So 5 with pin.

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For the color is the 3 primary color only

verbal blade
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so you are Saying: Load in the Following: CuCuCuCu RuRuRuRu ect.

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then Just add color

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but you Said fix the wire... Where and how do i fix it?

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Also MAJOR SPELLING MISTAKE!

verbal blade
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and DOES THE COLOR ORDER MATTER?! (i went with 1R 2G 3B)

verbal blade
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here is my setup for loading the CMAM

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and is THIS the wire i need to Fix?

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WHATS THE LOGIC FOR HOW THIS THING OPERATES!?

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ANSWER ME @floral lark !

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you could not have made this thing Any more complex even if you tryed

floral lark
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Dude you are rude.

  1. stop caps lock
  2. if I made English mistake then sorry but deal with it it's not my mother language so I do my best.
    3)im not the author of this mam so I help you only because I like the woke of SeanCheey (the OP. That's the meaning of OP, it's the author)
    So stop whining and stop pinging me, I will not help you when you act like this
verbal blade
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oh... so it only apply's to the OG version

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but still i dont know what order the colors should go in

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and will it detect errors? (i still wonder what all the Bells and Whistles do)

verbal blade
wraith halo
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floral lark
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@unique marlin I try this form {----crcr} and this {P-P-P-P-:crcrcrcr:WuWuWuWu}
The mam fail because for the first it's not possible to creat a half crystal and second with the crystal on top of pin it create a super crystal on 2 layers

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pastel sierra
floral lark
oblique ocean
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nope, you can see the generation algorithm in the bottom pin in #🎰make-anything-machine

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floral lark
unique marlin
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# unique marlin And the PIN producer designer

Blueprint Infos :

Version : 1095 / 0.0.8, Blueprint type : Platform, Blueprint cost : 88,777, Platform unit cost : 139
Building count : 6,404, Building size : 96x175x3, Building tiles : 7,080
Platform count : 115, Platform size : 19x11, Platform tiles : 131
Icons : Platforms, <empty>, <empty>, {RuRuRuRu}

📎 3D_viewer_link.txt
tacit eagle
# unique marlin And the PIN producer designer

So I am playing a terrible game of "put together a bunch of pieces I don't understand" with this train station due not knowing what purpose this one serves over the original without
I finally made a sandbox world to make some inputs just to see how the "with pins" works and that is black magic.

flint estuary
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I guess I should just copy too ☹️
I still don't get why using a thrower gives better throughput than pipes or belts

unique marlin
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@flint estuary The throughput is exactly the same, but the reaction time is a lot faster, meaning the time-to-first-shape

weary crane
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what is the 5th shape? am i missing something? Pu gives an error when i put it in the shape viewer

oblique ocean
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the shape code for pins is P-

weary crane
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ooooh

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do i need to deliver that?

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it seems to work finne without it

oblique ocean
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I didn't make it but I'm assuming if you don't deliver that shape it won't be able to make shape with pins

weary crane
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so it turns out i do need pins, but how do i make them?

jagged spruce
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What is a MAM?

raw idol
weary crane
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whats a cmam?

keen magnet
fair thicket
turbid girder
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I met some issue when producing shape P-P-P-P-:SucgSucg:CwCwCwCw,there's a more crystal layer in bottom

oblique ocean
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that MAM is said to only be capable of ROS and CROS shapes, that shape can't generate in those

keen magnet
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It says CMAM in the title…

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But yeah, that’s not a ROS1 shape

red prairie
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like if they take the shorter way to come back

red prairie
unique marlin
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@red prairie Just put straight 12-belt same-shape for each shape belts

astral hinge
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hollow hazel
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Hi, I don't know if I did something wrong or if there is an update but a shape it couldn't do correctly, was this one P-P-P-P-:SucgSucg:CwCwCwCw

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oblique ocean
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this MAM is only capable of handling ROS or CROS but this shape can't generate in those

hollow hazel
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Ohhh, understood, thanks

gilded obsidian
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Is this fast by MAM standards? The latency for new shapes seems way longer than i was expecting

foggy cargo
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There's no real standard for mam's speed. I assume that 2-3 minutes is fine for a rosmam, 4-5 minutes for a crosmam. But I don't have any comparison point

gilded obsidian
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So the several minutes i find myself between each shape seems to be pretty normal?

foggy cargo
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Depends on the scenario, crystal and what several means here. If it's 10, it can be optimized...

gilded obsidian
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I have realised that removing the check up platforms between each layer (except the final check) should reduce the latency between shapes

worthy furnace
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this part of the MaM isn't flowing at all

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and the MaM is on, and fully supplied

gilded obsidian
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Sometimes, it would not flow if different shape types somehow end up in the same station, or if there is no/invalid layer

astral hinge
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Some of the versions in this thread have a design where the second paint drop off can cause your fifth shape to be dropped into your second shape slot which can cause jams. I think that's why the original design had the colours coming in from a second platform for painting. It offsets enough that the shapes can't end up dropping unexpectedly into other unloaders.

astral hinge
# worthy furnace this part of the MaM isn't flowing at all

Also, is it supposed to? Is that layer empty? Hard to tell from your screenshot but the only part display looked empty. Can't see the whole thing so maybe it's not but if that's the 4th layer and it's only a 3 layer shape then it shouldn't be running.

worthy furnace
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ill be on in a bit to get a better ss

astral hinge
floral geyser
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ey mam