Soulframe Preludes 14: The Duelo Hotfix 4

[oblique totem]

Changes

• Significantly increased the health of all Agari, including all Vadagar, Siege Bannerets, Castellans, and Conductors.
  The Agari have recently struggled to withstand the growing strength of the Envoys. With Joinery damage now intrinsic to weapons, stronger buildcrafting, and Rune-driven bursts of damage, these encounters were ending too quickly. Agari should now remain formidable foes and have greater opportunity to fight back while the strongest Envoys can still shine.
• Certain Runes now have a small chance to drop from chests. Rare chests are slightly more likely to contain a Rune.
• Ode Chests:
  Forburn
  Alca’s Breath
• Dendric Chests:
  Archstorm
  Everflame (Long Blade)
  Everflame (Greatsword)
• Glades of Andurin Chests:
  Torcheternal
  Everflame (Greatsword)
• Dermak Undercity Chests:
  Hurlwind
  Everflame (Long Blade)
• Neath’uns Chests:
  Emberaught
  Everflame (Long Blade)
  Forburn
• Crypt of the Circade Chests:
  Hurlwind
  Everflame (Long Blade)
  Archstorm
• Made the brewing of The Cogah Elixir more accessible:
• Reduced the Wevetwood Sap cost to brew the Elixir from 10 to 8.
• Reduced the brewing timer from 2 hours to 30 minutes.
• Wevetwood Sap can now be found in the Neath’uns.
• The Avex can now perform a charged sprinting Heavy Attack.
• Changed the Agari “Reaper” to “Flayed Reaper.”

Fixes

• Fixed Runes not activating while wielding Avex.
• Fixed Flame damage over time ticks ignoring Armour values.
• Fixed the Mestra’s set unintentionally having each Virtue Attunement present, while also requiring Spirit to equip.
  The set now is attuned with Grace.
• Fixed Clients not seeing post-duel cutscenes in The Wreck Of Mestra Carmo.
• Fixed Clients seeing the final cutscene of The Wreck Of Mestra Carmo following the second duel.
• Fixed Client’s being able to access their Sidearms during a duel in The Wreck Of Mestra Carmo.
• Fixed Party members being unable to leave the Kith of Kings or Alca’s Children Enclave if they had not unlocked the entrance already and left the Party.
• Fixed Navalha’s thrown trajectory being slightly misaligned with the original throwing direction.
• Fixed wolf sounds appearing during The Waste Bear Fable.
• Fixed missing enemy camps around Kairness.
• Fixed sometimes scrolling a different scrollbar than intended at certain resolutions in the Journal.
• Fixed Clients seeing incorrectly created clones of Mestra Carmo in the final duel.
• Fixed Mestra Carmo missing her rapier in the third duel’s cutscene.
• Fixed the Rune node, seen while hovering over a weapon in the Arsenal, disappearing after swapping Loadouts.
• Fixed the Spirit Guide not appearing after escaping a Mockery’s grasp.
• Fixed a ‘profile’ option appearing while inspecting another Envoy in the social menu.
• Fixed a crash if an Envoy crafts the Duelo Ribbon as a Client.
• Fixed a script error while using the Journal.
• Fixed a script error while reviving.
• Fixed a script error with Ode Tempest’s Passives.
• Fixed a script error while encountering Fenn Jotar during The Torment Stag.
• Fixed a script error while using The Torrent.
• Fixed a script error while using Picktrix.

Forums: https://forums.soulframe.com/topic/11036-soulframe-preludes-14-the-duelo-hotfix-4/

[bold topaz]

Thanks Sam

[flat trail]

Thank You

[prime tusk]

o7

[slender moon]

Journal still says Reaper. Will the unfinished entry still be able to be finished after the name change? Also there is a weird UI glitch going on, highlight in the journal turn into an orange block.

[true nimbus]

nice addition t o Neath’uns

[frail orbit]

Is Orengal howl game crash fixed?

[late coral]

Still very much empty, but this is indeed a nice addition

[shell sky]

Agari buffs
Nice. I enjoy the boss fights a lot more when they aren't over in 5 seconds

[odd quartz]

Is it planned to fix the error where the progress of filling out a notebook is not saved and rolls back to an indefinite progress?

[runic vale]

💀 noo the three attunement maestro set ..

The synsilk grappler seems to not work, as well as for someone else i did the seige with, (doesn't work for me in any attempt), that costs minutes from the automatic start time lol

[unkempt reef]

fyi there are still a couple totems that disappear immediately after obtaining them including greatsword gold beaver totem

[unkempt reef]

Yup rip good armor. it was like we got an armor set for the paragon

[smoky thorn]

THEY NERFED THE NEW ARMOUR?

its terrible now

[feral zephyr]

i loved the new armour....

[neat snow]

Good change to put sap in the neath'uns. Any chance on adding them to sparrow's tales' *dungeon?

[mortal frost]

friendship ended with Mestras Armor, Pensives Armor is my best friend now

[runic vale]

160 armour mr12 dreams die young

[fossil basin]

Fixed the Maestra set scaling, but is the pensive set gonna be “fixed” too?

[smoky thorn]

we all did 😭

[fossil basin]

it was clearly not intended

[smoky thorn]

but orlocks armour still decent

[runic vale]

Missing the pants from the last saga thing

[mortal frost]

Pensive set and Mendicant set rn forme have the same combined stats with pensive being more balanced and Mendicant being more physical focused. i hope pensive stays, i like the balanced stats

[fossil basin]

Most heavy armor sets have 9 pips of virtue scaling, Pensives armor has 12, and Maestra had 18, you have to have realized it was unintentional

[runic vale]

Anyone else feel insulted by his deadpan humourlessness and abandonment of everything to follow you around with this cruel mirth about naming the book feybles of a fiend? Xd

[fossil basin]

He has the same few voice lines for all of the book names. In my experience

[mortal frost]

i genuinely just thought it was better bc it was new

[runic vale]

It was odd, yeah.

[fossil basin]

It’d be insane to have a definitive best in slot armor like that

[deft hamlet]

resolution for totems is broken

[fossil basin]

The mendicant set has 12 pips? , From what I saw it has 9

[mortal frost]

i never said that now did i? i said, for me, both have the same combined armor stats

[copper egret]

Neath’uns Chests:
Emberaught
Everflame (Long Blade)
Forburn

Neath'uns has chests?

[fossil basin]

oh i misunderstood, I’m on like 3 hours of sleep

[fossil basin]

largely at the end, after the boss

[mortal frost]

all good. both have 120 in the armor shield icon for me no matter in which combination i equip them

[onyx axle]

Pull-smite on corpses remains bugged (doesn't heal w/ the pact art, doesn't grant rune charges)

[fossil basin]

im gonna have to see the armor values now that this update has dropped

my armor was 185 last night with the Maestra set

[feral zephyr]

it will be under 150 most probably. mine turned from 178 to 130

[fossil basin]

oh most likely, but I use wyld tethren and the paragon +3/+3/+3 talisman, so i have as many total virtues as I can

[mortal frost]

btw, DE, soul yoink from dead bodies still bugged. i sometimes get a rune charges, sometimes i dont

[feral zephyr]

same, still 130

[mortal frost]

Verite Joineries twice blesed gone from factions, kith sells Gildaurx3mora now for 8k instead of 16.5, thanks. i bought one before the hotfix 💀

[fresh whale]

have time to nerf things but not for fix bugs

[mortal frost]

hoptfix notes mentioned camps that were missing. the one in front of kith of kings enclave is gone now, in case that wasnt by design

[fossil basin]

the last 3 updates have had more bug fixes than nerfs, stop complaining about fake problems

[compact walrus]

this, one of the most frustrating bugs atm for me 😭

[crisp maple]

Oh, what's the scaling for the armor set look like now?

[compact walrus]

looks like i gotta go remove mestra’s set from all my builds now lmao

[feral zephyr]

ok, let`s talk about the OBVIOUS tankiness of the agari. in cogah, some of them can take you down in 2 hits. I feel like fighting a bear with a rotten stick

[feral zephyr]

it`s bad

[feral zephyr]

did the same

[vestal cargo]

"Significantly increased the health of all Agari, including all Vadagar, Siege Bannerets, Castellans, and Conductors."

This is really good, honestly, the game needs more difficulty. Enemies should be memorable and provide better fights. But making Agaris harder and putting runes in chests? That makes no sense at all.

The only reason to do Agaris is for the runes, and now it basically doesn’t make sense to run them outside of Coga. This should have been an improvement to them, but it just became one less reason to do them.

[compact walrus]

i’m glad agari got a buff, slightly concerned how this affects cogah but a good change nonetheless

[feral zephyr]

ok. make them harder to beat. but increase the drop chance on runes from them. yesterday i ran cogah for at least 5hours. got 3 runes from them

[compact walrus]

mestra’s set does not seem bad?

it’s on par with orengalls set which is the goto grace set currently

orengall still wins out though

in terms of pure numbers

[fresh whale]

dont ragebait lil bro

we talking about facts

[feral zephyr]

I am honestly disappointed with this hotfix

[true nimbus]

I think this place has an amazing concept and design, but need more incentives to play in.

[deft hamlet]

yay cant interact w the duelo sword... didnt want the rest of the armor set anyways :3

[vagrant sapphire]

Chest only give Dracs 😄

[frozen jolt]

You have the blue ribbon equip yes?

[queen kelp]

Wow way to ruin the fun

[fossil basin]

have you read any patch notes???

[deft hamlet]

I am going to say yes but you will know I was lying...

forgot it lol

[fresh whale]

who do you think you are, a pet envoy

as gamers and fans we have to point out what we are disappointed about, the game is in alpha it is more than necessary that what is bad is said

[echo gorge]

RIP armor for my Mages. I hope Spirit gets a bit of a rework as a stat, it's definitely the weakest, in my opinion

[fresh whale]

and yes, I read the patch notes, and I stopped playing 5 months ago late and the same bugs that irritated me in November continue!

[thick cape]

So let me get this straight. You removed lifesteal, nerfed passive healing, limited us to 5 health pots, and now you buff Agari health — including the ones in the new raid where one of them can heal the others? And at the same time, you broke rune activation (Spectral Sight + Heavy Attack? Seriously?), you still haven't added an XP bar for weapons, and you call reward pool changes 'progression' while Siege ranks remain a complete mystery? Oh, and you "fixed" the Mestra armor by locking it to Grace only — dropping my armor from 139 to 109. Great. Thanks for killing creative builds. I'm all for difficulty, but this isn't difficulty — it's lazy number padding and ignoring what players actually need. Respect our time, or you'll lose your core testers.

[bold topaz]

Hey bud, I'd take a chill pill, all patchnotes contain a significantly higher number of bugfixes than game alterations. Here's the full list just for preludes 14 https://wiki.avakot.org/Preludes_14 you can "Ctrl + F" and count how many times the word "Fixed" shows up.

[fathom spoke]

Do some of you people dont understand what pre alpha mean

[leaden merlin]

Thanks. In other hand when fix orengall crash and lvl not scaling of enemies in andurin Clares? Pls fix

[bold topaz]

I hate using "It's a pre-alpha" as a way to deter valid feedback, this is feels more like a rant than feedback, but it could still go into #1438224662344761345 instead of here, where ppl won't see it.

[swift thorn]

agari died to most runes in 2 attacks last patch so bosses wouldn't even get the opportunity to attack.. I'd say a health buff was positive no? or do you have a different experience

[deft hamlet]

some of them could be oneshotted quite easily

[echo gorge]

Yeah, I'm sad about some of the changes, but this is what a pre-alpha is for. Give some constructive feedback. DE has been pretty open to feedback. No need to get too upset.

[deft hamlet]

I agree with them getting more health but also with the armor "fixes" and removing joinery abilities

[deft hamlet]

this indeed

[bold topaz]

they'll likely move the joinery "extra" stats somewhere else

[void sage]

They said they would in patch notes.

[swift thorn]

well I think what they are gearing to do is seperate the joinerys and stat boosts into different system. I'd agree it's sad we've lost them for now but I reckon they'll show back up

[deft hamlet]

also not saying your opinion isnt valid or that youd be entirely wrong. just that ranting about it in here wont make any changes happen and if you have any critisism or feedback there is a channel for that

[deft hamlet]

most definetly

[thick cape]

If you want to help, don't lecture me about where to post — try asking DE why they ignore their most engaged testers.

[deft hamlet]

not trying to lecture you just saying my own opinios as are you

and I agree with some things you said

[bold topaz]

If you want to yell at clouds and have no change, this thread is the place to keep doing it! Go off king!

[deft hamlet]

lack of lifesteal killed my build and forced me out of greatswords, joinery changes before that also broke my builds but that is bound to happen if they are reworking on any of their systems.

would not be surprised that the next big update will break my builds again but that is how a liveservice game in development is going to be

[deft hamlet]

I mean no reason to be mean to others, heck I was also raging about the joinery changes and virtue prisms in feedback.

[thick cape]

Thanks for the crown. I'll keep wearing it while I document bugs that survive through hotfixes. You keep defending the indefensible — someone has to, I guess.

[severe sky]

The stats from joineries are most likely gonna be reintroduced in the new gear system from P15. We will probably get more info on this subject today during the devstream.

The Agari did need an HP bump, we shouldn't be able to nuke bosses during their intro animation.

[deft hamlet]

and youknow atleast they aint resetting accounts anymore

yup

the boss in mirifuir being able to heal the other one might need a bit of touch up as it can get annoying to deal with

[severe sky]

I see no mention of Mora's Hand being fixed though, hopefully next hotfix.

[jagged sluice]

"Well that seems like a healthy and productive thread to read through"

[deft hamlet]

and youknow sometimes its also good and completely valid to rage if they truly do mess something up

[severe sky]

That one is a problem with enemy healing in general, even the grunt healers can top off an Agari if left unattended, I think it's honestly the same heal copy pasted onto a stronger unit.

Maybe it should be a channeled heal that we can interrupt? Leave it's ability to full heal but over a longer time period and give us a counterplay opportunity.

[deft hamlet]

yeah, enemy healing is like kinda double-edged sword as it can make encounters "difficult" but also can turn them into slugfests where you need to chip down their hp and see them healed to full because someone thought percentage based healing was a good idea

[deft hamlet]

would actually be good

[jagged sluice]

I personally disagree, being passionate about a game is commendable and shows true love for the project but in the end this is a game and messing up something or "not fixing a bug" for an extended period of time is not worth ranting directly at the devs, DE has not deserved this amount of vitriol from the community after how much they listen to people.

I'm not a fan of the spectral sight addition to use rune charges but it was a change that was suggested by the community and that DE implemented in the span of a week.

The scope of game right now is to be testers before players, does DE need to come out and tell us "we couldn't fix this" every hotfix a certain bug is not mentioned, or would the community team's time be better spent moderating the community?

[west turtle]

DE really bringing their A game with P14!!!! This is the most responsive I've ever seen a developer in my past 15 years of playing games 🙏 🙏

[deft hamlet]

absolutely!
I had something to say but I forgor as I was writing this :3

[severe sky]

I'm personally hoping the spectral sight heavy is a bandaid while they work in a proper input for it because while it's better than before, this still ain't it.

[severe sky]

The old method of always active on fully charged heavies was worse, the new one is almost there, they just need to do away with spectral and give it it's own separate input.

[shell sky]

Amped to try out some agari fights and see if they feel like actual boss fights again

[minor notch]

2 shot a banneret in a dungeon. It’s still easy

[deft hamlet]

dunno if it affected collector nimrod but he felt like it took about 2-3 more hits to kill him

[minor notch]

1 shot a nimrod with a heavy sword attack rune charge

[shell sky]

Oh, hope they just missed him

[hollow peak]

Duhk Halic acquisition still bugged 🙁

[severe sky]

Maybe it's time DE reworks armor into proper percentage reductions instead of flat numbers.

[deft hamlet]

yeah teh dmg is starting to scale quite high

[dreamy forge]

I understand and agree with lack of clarity on content, but come on, when you get some runes and levels, Agari were super easy to kill, just like everything else in the game. Rune changes are good, maybe not the best to have them activated way they are now, but these are steps in the right direction

[austere plover]

Please please fix Feybalt not working

[formal burrow]

read

[severe sky]

Not even just our damage but our tankiness as well, I can idle in the middle of groups of low level enemies because they don't deal any damage.

But on the other hand, high lvl enemies can eventually oneshot you because your armor doesn't scale.

[halcyon grove]

DE please fix the bright yellow color when selecting a foe in the journal. Doesn't fit at all.

A border would be better

[spark hawk]

Ran Siege Mirifuir (after patch/recently) with nothing but my armour, 5 potions, a level 15 Gathanan, light attacks and heavy attacks. Died 4 times at the final section only, and it was because I did not dodge, parry, block, kick, throw weapons, avoid attacks, use Pact abilities, Runes, or even had the heal from Smiting active. Any of these would have kept me alive (beside kick maybe). Should give you an idea of how easy this game is, even after this patch.

[bold topaz]

#1438224825113120788

[stone nexus]

uhm, is mockery armor set now intended to be grace required?

[compact walrus]

obtaining runes from multiple simple square ode chests currently, this feels very incorrect

runes should NOT be this easy to obtain

[severe sky]

I think adding runes to chests was a mistake honestly, it defeats the purpose of Agari as evergreen content.

Unless they plan to add more runes to the Agari to replace the ones added to chests.

[compact walrus]

yeah not exactly sure what the intent of this addition was

[severe sky]

I think I know why they did it, they needed to give us a reason to keep opening chests, resources alone aren't gonna do it when you have an endless supply of them.

Maybe if Agari had 100% chance to drop runes then it wouldn't be as much of a problem.

[austere plover]

they want to make the "special attack" more accesible for people that just joined

[compact walrus]

making everything easily accessible ruins any sense of progression or accomplishment

[austere ore]

love those two whining in the patch notes thread instead of where itll get seen lol

[austere ore]

have you even documented any bugs and submitted then to DE or are you just a whiner, if youre a whiner thats fine im just asking for clarification

[compact walrus]

god forbid we use a hotfix thread to discuss the hotfix hey

[austere ore]

"discuss" and "whine" are a bit different

[compact walrus]

whether its whining or discussing is purely up to your interpretation

personally im just sharing my thoughts on the changes

[austere ore]

you are, i wasnt talking about you lol

theres specifically two in this thread that are whining and acting contributing nothing constructive

[compact walrus]

my bad I thought you were responding to the immediate messages above lol, people will be vocal when things change it’s only natural

[austere ore]

oh 100% and they should be, feedback is critical in this stage of development

but listing all the changes and then just going "RESPECT MUH TIME OR ILL LEAVE" like, just leave, theres THOUSANDS of others you havent contributed much buddy

[compact walrus]

if anything this is the best place for whining honestly, atleast they get their frustrations out in the echo chamber

[austere ore]

agreed, i just find it entertaining lol

[thick cape]

Nimrod + Organ. Still works. I reported it. You're welcome.

[austere ore]

what?

edgey username
russian bio that probably translates to something just as edgey
johnny silverhand pfp
god complex because he reported a bug

everything checks out here

[thick cape]

Missed my favorite color and star sign. Do better next time. Meanwhile, Nimrod + Organ still works. Want me to record it again?

[compact walrus]

alright guys be civil

[austere plover]

they did the same for warframe so im not surprised

[austere ore]

im just confused on what you mean they still work, did you work on them personally? im just asking for clarification lol

[thick cape]

You can kill the Discharged Nimrod near the Organ using the Organ's lightning strikes. It dies instantly. Then you can destroy the Organ and loot both. I reported it. Still not fixed.

[austere ore]

feel like its in waves, they release somethin you gotta grind a bit for, then they make it easier to get right before they release a bunch of new stuff you gotta grind hard for

[austere ore]

do you play warframe

because that screams typical DE "we didnt intend for that to be a thing but go for it"

[thick cape]

I play Warframe. I also know the difference between a funny exploit and a broken interaction that trivializes content. This one has been reported for weeks. Still here. That's not 'DE being generous', that's 'DE being slow.

[austere ore]

moving nimrod a couple hundred feet over probably isnt on the top of the list of things to adress atm lol

[small depot]

Movement techs with some pacts still works, good.

[wary mural]

where is the reaper boss? haven't seen them in-game yet

[compact walrus]

northeast glades dungeon

[wary mural]

Thanks

[austere ore]

@thick cape that said yes making another report with a video could help, i doubt they see absolutely every single report

[boreal solstice]

Fixed Navalha’s thrown trajectory being slightly misaligned with the original throwing direction.
Sad to see this one. I thought rapiers throwing higher than normal was intended. It was actually super useful for hitting distant targets, like the baloons in the Collector.

[dapper lintel]

“Increased the health of bosses” all this is doing is railroading people, forcing them to use Courage builds and heavy attacks. This isn’t going to solve whatever arbitrary problem you think exists.

[shell sky]

I was melting bosses all morning with a full spirit build, and later with a full grace build. I'd rather they last more than 2 seconds. No ones getting railroaded

[austere ore]

i was about to say this

[dapper lintel]

And were you using Cogah runes?

[austere ore]

i think it just comes down to refining your build, similar to warframe, you can use the most OP stuff but if it aint modded right you aint doing anything

[austere ore]

yes

[idle plank]

Good change, before this bosses were 1-2min duration

[austere ore]

i have a buddy that melts shit in cogah with his spirit/grace hybrid build

[shell sky]

Nope, haven't done much cogah yet

[dapper lintel]

Okay, cool, switch to non-cogah runes, in non-smite builds, simulating what newer players are going to be dealing with

[austere ore]

id recommend it, good litmus for your build and alot of fun

[austere ore]

my apologies i thought you mean if it was being done in a cogah runs not runes, i misread

only cogah rune i have is the shield lazer and i dont use it much

[shell sky]

Waiting for friends to catch up so I can run it with them, but back to the original point, I'm not hyper optimizing anything. Bosses were just really weak even when non-courage.

[idle plank]

I'm not using cogah runes or smite builts, I like more the new bosses duration

[austere ore]

i dont think their intention for this game is for it to be as fast paced and instant death as warframe

[dapper lintel]

Because this affects ALL bosses, including story bosses, like Garren and Bromius, who were already a pain when you’re going through the story

[austere ore]

i melted the both of them when i fought them

[thorn harbor]

There are 2 things I would like to see expanded/reworked RN:

-Potions

They should HoT and not instant heal, and their maximum carried amount should be upgradeble with Verminia.

-The Wyld Weapons/Armor

These should have at leat 4 grace/spirit/courage scaling, no need to change their damage, but since they were not cheap, are considered a premium gear and are told to be stuff of "legend" at the very least they should be attuned to their virtues properly, currently their attunement is laugable.

[austere ore]

i genuinely think its coming down to build refinement

[dapper lintel]

Try that again in lesser gear, you were probably maxed when they came out

[austere ore]

the "prld" next to my name may indicate otherwise lol

[thick cape]

Fair enough. I'll make another report with a video and a clear reproduction steps. Hopefully it gets noticed this time.

[shell sky]

Garren actually dies way too fast. I watched my new player friend down him way too quickly, it was sad.
Bromius though yeah, I'd be curious about. I know they nerfed his damage recently though so may balance out.

[austere ore]

tag me when you do ill see if i can go get a video of it too and add it to the posting

[thick cape]

Will do. Thanks for offering to help.

[austere ore]

i super agree with the "wyld" equipment being at least SLIGHTLY better than normal stuff, im hoping maybe when its not exclusively paid content thatll happen

[thorn harbor]

I had to wait and stop attacking to actually hear the song playing.
I was using Vasp BTW, not that strong.

[austere ore]

ofc man, im not trying to be an ass just help the community at least be constructive with the criticism

[shell sky]

Haha yeah, I went in with them and literally didn't attack cause it was already going down so quick and I wanted them to enjoy the song / fight a bit

[thorn harbor]

Its confirmed it will work as primes in WF and only some minor cosmetics will be exclusively paid, the rest will be farmable.

[austere ore]

i figured as much

[thick cape]

All good, man. Constructive it is. 🤝

[rotund lichen]

Wow another hotfix today wasn't on my bingo card. What a great week of fixes!

[thorn harbor]

Remember guys, we are all in this together, while we may and will disagree sometimes, we must remain united, together we are strong.

[rotund lichen]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-we-all-lift-together-gif-19925077

[austere ore]

AND WE ALL LIFT, AND WERE ALL ADRIFT TOGETHER

[thorn harbor]

Be it staff, sword or dagger, raise it in defence of our brothers! Foward envoys!

[austere ore]

I just got my duelo bliky

[thorn harbor]

Congrats!

[austere ore]

gang gang, been blowing holes in peoples chest all morning lmao

[bleak valley]

Game bosses are too easy even without runes

[hollow grail]

was maestra armor nerfed?

[dire karma]

In solo encounters the health buff isn't that bad but it's very oppressive on the new siege.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1438223413247479960/1497292863032135800/Soulframe_2026-04-24_18-43-47.mp4?ex=69ecfe24&is=69ebaca4&hm=cef01351661852baca1d358c9f6962d0ed7cb1757cbb37ce6323935636f410fe&

[austere ore]

yurrp

[hollow grail]

time to cry

[austere ore]

back to orengall lol

[idle plank]

Good change too, it was too OP. We will see many nerfs and buffs all the time, and more specifially on new items. Our feedback is key, because they don't have the time or manpower to test everything like normal playes do, with this intensive play sessions.

[timber remnant]

Can we skip the Mestra Carmo intro now or its still a forced one every single time

[rain raft]

I would stay this fix is perfect for a two star mestra why it has advantage over 3 start hmph

If they made it 3 star then this would been bad fix

Also I see a attunement missing in helmet

Man no one gonna wear that helmet

[limpid osprey]

yet another missed opportunity to do easy cogah i guess 🤣

[fresh whale]

thx for tips, without u i will never notice that

[molten quail]

[shell sky]

[low wasp]

Is the orengall wolf crash fixed?

[rancid trench]

yeah its no longer 2/2/2

[compact walrus]

not so much “nerfed” as it wasn’t intended and is now fixed lol

[rancid trench]

it being a new armor and worse than orengall's feels bad IMO

[compact walrus]

borderline identical to orengalls armor but with a more even distribution

technically more “armor” overall if you don’t take stagger resistance into account

i personally think the armor needs another overhaul anyway

or some added set bonuses or something to make more sets unique and worth using

[shell sky]

Yeah armour really will need some kind of set bonus / passive. Cosmetic value will only go so far after awhile

[rancid trench]

before the change I was sitting at 148 armor in duelo, now is like 108

Thats a huge difference

[rare mural]

I was at 157 (53 physical, 52 magick, 52 stability) before totems (+10 physical, +15 magick).
Now I'm at 105 (41 physical, 28 magick, 36 stability) before totems.
Using Wyld Sirin's Tickster Prism with with +6 on all virtues via pact and another +3 from Triune for 15 courage, 16 spirit, 32 grace. So I lost 52 armor (12 physical, 24 magick, and 16 stability).
Orengall's gives 117 (51 physical, 23 magick, 43 stability) 10 more physical, 5 less magick, 7 more stability.

I also notice Maestra's is now the 2nd armor that does not follow the same Scaling for each piece. The head (Helm) scales 3, 2, 2 while the Chest (Furbelow) and leggings (Breeches) scale 3, 2, 3.

The only other set with a distinction like this is Wazzard's where the head (Bycoket) and chest (Robes) scale 2, 3, 1 and the leggings (Trunks) scale 2, 2, 2.

I originally thought the Wazzard's leggings having a different scaling was a bug and I reported it as such when Wazzard's armor was introduced but since it has not been hotfixed I can only assume it was intentional as is the Maestra's.

[austere ore]

Orengalls has the added courage though doesnt it

[clever berry]

Oh great, spirit armor got worse again. Yay.

[lucid talon]

was slightly overtuned before since it had every virtue scaling on it, so it makes sense it got hit

[spark hawk]

Only issue I am seeing is the healer boss's lingering healing effect and the fact it heals them to full every single time. The rest can be easily done with simply spamming light attacks, using your potions (were at like 25% almost the whole video), and that is it really.

[dire karma]

Using a potion felt too risky with the projectile spam, and Tethren's passive increases attack speed the lower your health

[spark hawk]

Well, I use mine all the time when I go around half, and increased attack speed is not going to help with my ranking/rating for rewards when I am dead. You had lots of opportunities to back away completely into the lower floor when you were dodging attacks, and even if you got hit, you were tanking just fine with that 25% health, so honestly, retreat could have been the best course of action. Also, even if you did not have potions, you could have used the stairs as an advantage to throw your weapon from distance and hide low right after throwing the weapon to retrieve from safety.

Hope this helps you in the future.

[compact walrus]

the courage scaling on orengall has an almost negligible difference to the armors scaling, these are the best numbers i can get with a full grace build.
orengall set: 70 phys, 26 mgk, 65 stb
mestra set: 63 phys, 37 mgk, 57 stb

not counting stability the mestra set wins in phys and mgk resist combined

the only piece that scales worse is the helmet for some reason but its not much difference

[compact walrus]

yes when something is broken and overscales the armor values it certainly does show a big difference when its fixed

[slender moon]

Your comment suddenly made me wish for different dynamic potion options . Like legendary potions that heal more and temporarily give +50 magic defense or add movement speed or whatnot.
Currently the potion system is somewhat underwhelming imo.

[rotund lichen]

Very obvious it's a wip

Curious to see how it comes along.

[fickle warren]

did they improve parry responsiveness?

i feel like when duelo released all my parries were whiffing

[plush prawn]

you’re playin in a way where one hit kills you and then want the boss health to not hav been raised. so do you want the ideal combat scenario in soulframe to last less than a minute? i’m struggling to understand

[fickle warren]

The health buff did not improve the boss fights in any meaningful way, all it did is make them take longer

Drastically buffing health should be a last resort in my mind, not the first option

[plush prawn]

yesterday i started doing cogah runs for the first time and the whole time as i was killin all the bosses multiple times is “gee i can’t wait for the bosses to be stronger and not die in less than 30 seconds” just for me to find out later that night that the health buff hotfix had already been implemented. mind you in terms of runes, i only had a non-cogah flame rune for one of my weapons and nothing for the other. i was also using one of the base virtue prisms

i do agree with you on increasing the health pools dont really do anything. we need more challenge and difficulty that isnt just numbers. but regarding health pools, the fact that i was eviscerating bosses w non late tier gear AFTER the health buffs thinkin it was still yet to be implemented is saying something

[fickle warren]

The field boss agari arent really an issue I believe. Its the siege banner guys who are annoying to deal with

Exacerbated by the recent siege having 3 of them

[plush prawn]

but in terms of feedback, i’m not really seeing options or alternatives to increasing difficulty or adding challenge rather than “this health buff is bad/annoying”

[fickle warren]

Siege bosses should have actual mechanics, as opposed to being a normal "this boss has a billion health but is otherwise just a normal enemy"

I.e. having to break pieces of armor, deplete a shield, attack them from behind, or otherwise make them mechanically different from just being big grunts

[fickle warren]

I believe most games that just go "this enemy has more health" end up going this direction, as it doesn't make the high skilled players try harder, but makes those with weaker gear, and less game skill struggle even moreso

[plush prawn]

now that’s definitely something i agree with and have thought of myself. but it wouldnt have to be specifically siege bosses tbh. i would love to see interesting mechanics to different boss types and not just a few soecific ones.

[swift thorn]

I think the bigger problem is the sheer damage increases on stacking buffs, for exmple everflame is giving 250% bonus and when stacked with things like tethren takes your damage from 200ish per heavy to 1600 (with 4 charges). This is what I think is giving such vastly different experiences for people vs bosses when using optimal vs non optimal loadouts.

[fickle warren]

So you have the high skilled playerbase who are complaining because their solution is more health more damage, and you have the low skill/newcoming player base complaining because they're being shafted by something they can't do yet (and also because DE's solution is more health more damage)

[swift thorn]

stacking damage amps trivialises the game but then other people find it difficult bcs some people just dont want to do that (which is fair enough)

[dire karma]

I keep getting pinged on this, and people are only seeing the last 30 seconds of my fight in that clip.
I was unable to heal because of the intense projectile spam, and trying to heal would have gotten me killed during the animation, meaning it wasn't an option for me.

There's a common consensus in games, glass cannons aren't meant to be tanky.
The fight at the end feels like the triple bosses is meant to be fighting against three spammy glass cannons.

But with the health buff, they're no longer glass cannons, but rather tanky cannons.

[misty knoll]

Tethren's consecutive attack buff is kinda insane, even after it was nerfed 😛

[plush prawn]

that def is true. increasing/decreasing numbers don’t really change much or solve the actual core problems in games. but also i’m pretty sure the health pools before were made without runes and present day builds in mind so this update wasn’t supposed to “fix” bosses but more so nudge em back a bit closer to our power level

[fickle warren]

My only game complaint is how clunky and slow melee feels, even with a good build

And also how short the combos are

[plush prawn]

cuz then if they went ahead and nerfed a bunch of runes and abilities rather than touching on the enemies, you really think people would be more calm abt it than this hotfix ?

[misty knoll]

They had to add the Hardmode just to keep up with our Power 😄 Look what they do to mimic a fraction of our power 😂

[fickle warren]

Well they have to nerf them anyway because unless they triple the boss health, there are still ways to stack damage buffs

They've been avoiding really nerfing*** the insanely strong things in any meaningful way

[plush prawn]

like let’s be real here, if they had tried to make changes of the disparity between high tier players and enemies health on our ends, people woulda gotten their pitchforks and torches out

[dire karma]

I don't know why I bothered trying to elaborate since no one seemed to care.

[swift thorn]

I think the problem is the gap between optimised vs chill builds

use any damage stacking and theyre made of paper

dont use and amps or runes and theyre like brick walls

[fickle warren]

The clueless new player with their max lvl gear about to try to fight a siege agari (they're cooked)

[swift thorn]

and thats not necessarily a problem depending on how you see it like I quite enjoy having to optimise my build for a high level siege but I think it's what's causing the biggest divide in opinions rn

[fickle warren]

Yeah but even the mid level siege feels like fighting the hulk with a toothpick if you arent using tethren, and stacking damage

I didnt realize till i did them with the sour apple flavored pact (cant remember the name)

[swift thorn]

any everflame flame weapon with duello does the same

but i know what you mean

like I said its discrepancy between builds with stacking amps vs not

[fickle warren]

Remove ALL amps

Bring us back to the STONE AGE

[swift thorn]

hahahhahaha I dont quite think that's the solution xd

[fickle warren]

[swift thorn]

[fickle warren]

Another one of my complaints is ENEMY DENSITY

Why am i not getting swarmed in a castle

Walking through the world feels like a game of slender except its "FIND MY POI'S"

[misty knoll]

This! Need way bigger enemy hordes! 😄

[dire karma]

I'm not saying Tethren isn't powerful, but it does seem to be the only pact that keeps getting nerfed, I enjoy Tethren because it feels like a berserker class, you heal on kill that encourages playing more recklessly (but you still need to dodge and block/parry)

As OP as Tethren's stacking damage skill is, I feel people kinda ignore the fact that you need to chain hits and not cancel/interrupt them and make sure every one of them lands, maybe it's not the most skillful thing in the game to do, but it still does require a certain level of skill.

All I hear now though is that other pacts are superior or have better damage so it kinda just feels like Tethren is getting punished because people used it well.
idk, I'm not normally bothered by nerfs, and honestly I still think Tethren is fine in the state it's in, but it does feel like it's being both nerfed and powercrept at the same time.

Meanwhile I can whip out my Duelo pistol and get 550 damage at minimum with much less effort required.

[fickle warren]

Whats the point of duello gun piercing if at most you will get one, maybe two enemies a shot

Maybe more if you really set it up

[misty knoll]

Same with the Unhindered Passive for Magick weapons, can make it fly through like 4-5 enemies, but it's rare you even find that many in a pack 😛 And when you do, they spread out.

[plush prawn]

one thing to also think about is what direction DE actually wants to take soulframe to. are they tryna go for more slow, methodical combat akin to soulslike or are we gonna lean more into the power fantasy of games like warframe with various abilities and runes and amps, etc.

obviously they’re not tryna go for one or the other, more like somewhere in between but their own thing, but the question is, where exactly? they def got a couple ideas on what they want the game to be but i wouldn’t say they’ve fully identified where they wanna end up at

[fickle warren]

I wanna see lines of red crits and screens full of damage numbers

[swift thorn]

for sure

[fickle warren]

Identity crisis is this game's bread and butter

[misty knoll]

I wouldn't mind a solid mix of both... Bigger, stronger enemies you'd actually need to watch out for and learn to counter.. Plus hordes of tiny foot soldiers, I can just blender my way through 🙂

[plush prawn]

cuz we can’t be talkin abt how they should approach their balance design if we not they fully know what the game is supposed to be

[fickle warren]

And if they want methodical combat they should probably make combat as a whole feel more fluid

[plush prawn]

yes i feel the same ! but gettin there is gonna take a bit (not without complaints lol)

[fickle warren]

Melee combat that is

[misty knoll]

I think melee combat already feels pretty fluid and smooth.

Attacks also feel like they carry weight

[fickle warren]

Still, having only one real combo per weapon, plus heavy attacks, makes the weapons feel like they have no depth

And even moreso since a lot of weapons are just "this weapon type but this time its cherry flavored"

But i assume that will be fixed if they ever add unique effects for weapons (give me the king's energy wave on purity and my life is yours DE)

[plush prawn]

i will say, before this update i didn’t have any runes or anything and so all of soulframe combat to me was either stand still, close your eyes, and spam left click (started w magick weapon) which got super duper boring or use a melee that was also just spam left click with occasional heavys and dodges and so the combat was the weakest aspect imo but now after using different pacts and havin a bit of build variety due to runes, ive been enjoying the combat a LOT more (tho its still extremely easy)

[misty knoll]

I personally still enjoy Magick weapons, even if they feel monotone, just because of how cool they look to use 😄 So few games that actually uses the staff as the medium to cast spells 😄

Currently leveling my Duelo, while running Igna Mora and Basker's Wrest... Cool feel of Warrior with a fiery sword, who can throw fireballs 😄

[fickle warren]

Give me freedom, give me fire, give me faster travel or i retire

[plush prawn]

also the fact that the majority of melee weapons are just a basic sword moveset (i know they’re gonna add more weapon types) they all just blend into one lame thing (even tho there are sum cool ass designed swords)

i do feel like different weapon types should have different combat styles or something (doesn’t have to be drastically different) i don’t like the fact that whether i’m using a short sword, long sword, rapier, etc they’re all just the same thing with slightly different animations. hell if it wasn’t for the slow attack speed, there’d be no difference of a greatsword to any other sword. just want variety tbh

[fickle warren]

Greatsword moveset is completely wasted without enemy density

The oden guys with the greatswords use it in a much more unique way

[plush prawn]

i remember first building it thinking a fire sword is gon be cool asf only to be disappointed cuz the only difference is cosmetic.

i can only wonder what the weapons changes will be for p15 but one idea would be to make each weapon a bit more special for example, the igne mor could have slightly less physical damage but you get to apply a dot to burn enemies. or for weapons that special enemies or bosses use to be able to use a cool special attack that’s unique to that specific weapon

[swift thorn]

Even if they are similar, I think melee has a lot of options: Great sword, Long sword, rapier, polearm, dual short blades etc. but magick is still limited with it only recently being focused on so Im excited to see some new options for magick/spirit users

plus blunt weapons coming soon too so

[fickle warren]

Well magic is hard to balance since you get lots of damage while keeping youself far from the enemy, so i hope they'll avoid overtuning it further in the future, same with bows

[plush prawn]

variations on different magick weapons would be cool like the gauntlets havin more attack speed compared to staffs or variations to the projectiles

[swift thorn]

for sure

[swift thorn]

I swear they already do but something more specialised would be cool I agree

[fickle warren]

And its not like enemies really try to stay on you, as they're perfectly fine just kinda circling around you while you ash baby them to death

[plush prawn]

but then again we got like 20 different long swords and other than a single virtue pip difference and cosmetic, they’re all pretty much the same which makes each one less special to have

[fickle warren]

I still havent leveled up even half the weapons i have because its sooooooooo slow

Id rather do anything else with my time

[swift thorn]

imo cleaver, longswords and rapiers are fairly varied but I can see why you'd say that

[plush prawn]

instead of having a different weapon to somebody, having different long swords feel more like we all have the same stick but different skins on it

[fickle warren]

When is the "you can level up in less than an hour without endless" patch coming

[plush prawn]

aren’t rapiers gonna hav their own combat art ? that’s why they feel different to long swords cuz they straight up are supposed to be

[swift thorn]

that would be awesome, haven't heard anything of that but ig we shall see when the combat art update drops :)

[fickle warren]

Soon(tm)

[plush prawn]

i do think there are very small differences like the hitbox or size of a heavy from a gauntlet is different to a staff but i’d like to see more interesting variations.

this got me thinking about the potential concept of status effects in soulframe. i feel like it would be a good system to add diversity in combat.

rn theres not much difference between the 3 gauntlets other than the virtue pips/requirements and cosmetic. sure odiac does voltaic dmg while baskers wrest does arcanic but other than how the damage is applied to enemies, i dont think theres a difference in those damage types.

introduction to status effects in soulframe would add an easy way to differentiate weapons. odiac can at deal the voltaic status effect and that status effect could be something similar to electric from wf where it stuns and/or chains or it can be a whole new effect if they want to separate themselves from wf combat

[swift thorn]

Yeah I'm sure especially with the reintroduction of the removed joinery stats (or some form of them) they will be making weapons more varied and customisable in time. It would be cool to see the different damage types associated with something other than just resistances in some way

[gritty moat]

Bosses killed in Hard Mode are added to the Codex as normal, as indicated by the drop list in the book. Upon reloading, enemies 2 and 1 were lost, despite being told they were fixed. Progress stalled at 40 enemies in Hard Mode; after clearing the entire map and all bosses four times, no enemies were added to the Codex. Hard Mode doesn't count. It's best not to play during the first month after the release of any new prelude. Otherwise, you'll be like lab mice being experimented on.

[gritty moat]

I can already see the ad for my clan. If you enjoy pain and humiliation, play the new foreplay. The Soulframe Masochists clan will welcome you into their ranks.

[compact walrus]

killing enemies doesn’t add them to the codex, smiting them does

though having it be on kill would be much more consistent and would fix the issue of some things not being smiteable in the codex like the will-o-wisps

[runic vale]

I die everytime I read that as wisp

[compact walrus]

wing* sorry instinctual spelling mistake 😭

[runic vale]

😮‍💨 lol

[slender moon]

Wasn't it clear since 3 minutes after the journal got added, that it only ever saves 1 scan per session? If you just relog everytime you got a desired scan, you'll max the journal easy peasy. It is annoying that it currently works like that, but it is known info...

[compact walrus]

it doesn’t give 1 scan per session, it takes 3 smites to complete an entry, there is an upgrade through orlicks questline that is supposed to cut it down to 2 smites but is currently bugged, relogging shows what you’re actually at progression wise in the journal

(I know this because I have been grinding the journal and am currently at 62/65 entries completed in the foes codex)

(2 enemies elude me and 1 is the will-o-wing which is unsmiteable)

[main vessel]

Envoys in q&a that work on journal say there is 1 enemy in a bear fable (wraith of wastes) and one in Orengall (must be super quick with smite apparently) so if you are desperate to fill them need to replay those

Somaybe those are the two you are missing

[cinder radish]

Oh, is the team already feeling the powercreep from their lack of creative design when it comes to Runes etc? "Do 200% more damage" is only gonna be a worse design as time goes on and more weapons are thrown at us. Please, I would ask that Runes give some utility like Polymorph or Pushback/Knockdown or Entaglement or any number of other more creative solutions. More damage. Who even came up with that? Boring imo. No offense. But on a serious note, are all of the non-damage ideas going to be saved for Pact Abilities specifically?

Not intending to sound mean, I am just disappointed and concerned that mistakes from the past will be repeated. I do not want a damage cap builds only meta slave mentality in Soulframe.

[compact walrus]

i had done the wazzard of wastes from the fable but never checked the enemies in orengalls fable so ill check it out thanks 🙂

the last 2 look to be some form of banneret that ive checked everywhere for, and possibly one of the white cloaked ode but none of the hundreds ive found have filled it in 😭

[compact walrus]

yep its the boss that orengall 1 taps in 2 seconds 😭😭

seems i can relog and restart the encounter to farm the smite proc on him though

[slender moon]

One is the conductor on top of organs.

[compact walrus]

you legend

[slender moon]

Screenshot the other one you're missing and we can figure it out

[compact walrus]

that actually was my last one 💪

unless you know how to get the will-o-wing entry filled lol

my understanding was its impossible

[slender moon]

No, that's currently not possible as far as we know.

[compact walrus]

yeah figured, cheers for that 😁

[mint ore]

Well idea i had was good. Play Soulframe to colect mising weapons and armors to relax your brain from M+ and Mythic raiding in World of warcraft slog. In exchange we got hp and dmg boost to minibosses making it same slog i already play in other game. Tyvm DE. Will check game back if/when you revert normal overworld changes to minibosses (use cogah mode to give people who want it challenge leave normal world for exploration and relaxation)

[winged slate]