Soulframe Preludes 13 Hotfix 2

[merry nexus]

General Changes

• Reduced Igne Mora's Courage requirement from 15 to 12.
• Reduced The Royal Tines Grace requirement from 14 to 12.
• Reduced The Rook's Courage requirement from 15 to 14.
• Reduced the effectiveness of Tethren’s Fellust:
  Fellust deals half the damage when striking an Agari.
  Fellust now empowers one less swing.
• Reduced the effectiveness of the Feybault Joinery:
  Maximum damage stacks reduced from 6 to 3.
  Rusted: Base damage decreased from 10 to 5.
  Polished and Blessed: Base damage decreased from 20 to 10.
• Reduced the frequency of a Votive ending on a dungeon step.
• Reduced the distance between Votive steps.
• The Organ’s exploding barrels now only deal Stability damage to the Envoy, and the base damage was reduced against Ode’n enemies.
• The Clivers now drop from the Weaver and Ode’n Hound Agari only, and not The Organ.
• Added a thrusting heavy attack to Vetch.
• Updated World Tree map icons.
• Removed the ‘Spoilt Plunder’ Tale (“Kill any Sinecure in the Undercity”) step from occurring.
• Nimrod’s lightning slam now deals Stability damage, rather than knocking down the Envoy.
• The red Ode’n lantern near Orengall is now destructible in The Shewolf Snared.
• Reduced the FX flare from certain hit effects and Smites.

Fixes

• Fixed Sword and Shield weapons not having Attunement cap increased.
• Fixed incorrect UI descriptions for Waste-wear Armour Set.
• Fixed the indicator for acquiring a Starter Prism not appearing after talking to an Enclave representative.
• Fixed setting waypoints for non-Votive events.
• Fixed receiving an “Unidentified Item” as a reward upon completing The Organ.
• Fixed being unable to close the chat with the Escape key while using The Organ’s Voltaic strike mechanic.
• Fixed The Organ’s Envoy-driven Voltaic strikes from hitting two weak points.
• Fixed The Organ’s Voltatic strike sounds playing for those not conducting.
• Fixed the Vadagar Bear’s rock throw doubling its impact.
• Fixed the second ladder in the Fort Kearnhold Siege being placed too high to reach.
• Fixed dungeon titles not appearing when entering one.
• Fixed a progression stop during Votives where the Vadagar Agari wouldn’t spawn during the daytime.
• Fixed a progression stop during The Steelsinger, which prevented Envoys from returning the helmet to Tuvalkane.
• Fixed being unable to Bestitch the Brazen Lung and Helmless options with Verminia.
• Fixed Client’s being unable to cleanse World Trees if the Host already has in their instance.
• Fixed Avakot hiding in his shell while talking to him. Big legs ain’t that scary!
• Fixed a typo in the log-in message to correctly read: “...Destroy it and let Alca breathe again.”
• Fixed facial hair clipping issues.
• Fixed various graphical issues while using motion blur.
• Fixed missing audio prompts while fighting mace-wielding Ode.
• Fixed a script error while customizing Hues with Verminia.
• Fixed a script error crash after activating Tethren’s Fellust.
• Fixed a crash while using a lit torch.
• Fixed a crash while interacting with Orlick in the Nightfold.
• Fixed a crash after reviving yourself by returning to your body with the Sparrow.
• Fixed a crash while approaching The Organ
• Fixed a crash after an Ode enemy explodes themselves.
• Fixed a crash after drinking The Cogah Elixir.
• Fixed a crash while using your Hues with Verminia.
• Fixed a crash while interacting with the Votive selection at a World Tree.
• Fixed a crash after a QTE with the Vadagar Bear.
• Fixed a crash during The Shewolf Snared after Orengall ambushes an enemy.
• Fixed a crash caused by Undercity ropes.
• Fixed a crash when using Bromius Pact.
• Fixed a crash during The Waste Bear cinematics.
• Fixed a crash when using Orengall Pact.
• Fixed a crash during The Cogah.
• Fixed crashes during Tales that required gathering.

• More fixes, read the full patch notes on the Forums: https://forums.soulframe.com/topic/9780-soulframe-preludes-13-hotfix-2/

[long badger]

by the fires of Mora 🔥

we salute you

[median wind]

"Reduced the frequency of a Votive ending on a dungeon step.
Reduced the distance between Votive steps.
"

Thank you!

[serene quest]

The new loading screen looks much better

[vernal mesa]

This is good

[long badger]

I still think the Clivers should drop from the Fort Curlail Siege. Makes more sense

[violet sequoia]

why would u nerf the only thing that made magic weapons worth to use

🤦🏽

[vernal mesa]

Fixed being unable to Bestitch the Brazen Lung and Helmless options with Verminia.,
🤌 this!

[cosmic zealot]

I don't see the rump thump fix unless I am blind

[static junco]

[tawdry pebble]

No RumpThump Fix 🙁

[pallid iron]

Fixed facial hair clipping issues - WAT?! Beards?!

[tulip axle]

yeah, what facial hair? xD

[dry acorn]

Neat

[kind pine]

rip tethryn

ruined him for endgame content

[ruby osprey]

I guess moving Clivers off from The Organ is a slight and indirect adjustment to the Wazzard set drop chance

[static junco]

Steve mentioned on dev short that they are addressing that no idea if they did it in this patch or another one later this week

[tulip axle]

Need to remove ertsroot as well since we already get it from somewhere else, that's weird

[gusty wagon]

[safe ember]

Seriously you removed the Clivers but not the Estroot?

[pallid iron]

Is there anything about a fixed drop rate for the Organ set? Because 86 hours of farming is a bit of a bummer, and I have 280 Erstroot.

[grave creek]

FASTTTTTTTTTTT

NOOOOOOOOO

[safe ember]

I swear that if I I log in and get a piece for that Im just going to go into feedback and complain about it

[grave creek]

1 ARC

[barren yew]

Poor Bromius, stuck at doing next to no damage. 🙁

[echo light]

No more 30m dungeon runs for a tale is the absolute best thing they could have done for Tales! No more hunting down every single Ode in Undercity dungeons. Rejoice, fellas!

[mild hound]

So if Clivers were removed from the Organ, does it only drop Wazzard Wear now?

[pallid iron]

I also have something with the lighting. Everything used to be bright, but now it's all gray.

[echo light]

Should increase the odds by a lot.

[fluid ivy]

I mean I think I might just more erstroot

[pallid iron]

I dont have that(((

[grave creek]

The paid bundles in the marketplace are being sold for 1 Arc. This needs to be fixed urgently — purchases are active and the items are being delivered to accounts.

[echo light]

Got to test it. I am about to hop on to see for myself.

[grave creek]

look

[austere oriole]

Reduced the FX flare from certain hit effects and Smites.
oh thank mora, acessibility!

[obtuse brook]

Very cool stuff! thanks so much for the fixes!

[kind pine]

dont see anything weird on the shop for me.

[rustic delta]

Yes, they’ve got to fix this immediately if it’s widespread.

[chilly brook]

😞

[kind pine]

must be on certain servers

[carmine meteor]

The RNG drops weren't working as wellz so Clivers was shifted to allow better drops of the wazzards robes

[hallow burrow]

Love the changes DE! keep it up!

[median wind]

this new world tree icon is interesting it definitely makes them stick out more

[vernal mesa]

Plaese FIX wevetseed bug

[grave creek]

My friend bought all of the Founder packs for 1 Arc.

[median wind]

we just need the icons for the enclaves you aren't currently a part of to be different ot the other pois

[median wind]

lmaoooo what

[carmine meteor]

That what it looks like for Arcs in shop for bugged prices - regional

[west shard]

they will revert arc purchases

[pallid iron]

Everything was so beautiful, and now...

[twin grotto]

the blessed feybalt joineries don’t have extra scaling on the ui? is this normal lol

[carmine meteor]

@stiff nebula heyoo

[stiff nebula]

I am happy about the exploding barrels. Getting one-shot by those was definitely something (even if it did take out the Ode in the process)

[violet sequoia]

before hotfix i had 29 grace and my account level was 16 and after hotfix i leveled up to 17 but my grace went to 28

like wtf?

[carmine meteor]

Stagger is a good shift for the barrels exploding

[stiff nebula]

Oh HAI

[carmine meteor]

Looks like this is a rebalance pass which is good 😊

[sudden salmon]

depending on which prism you are using it may just be how the prism is balancing your virtues

[teal kelp]

It would be better if you paid attention to the really important issues that were reported to you in the previous prelude. We still have a lot of problems with the old prelude that people are reporting on the feedback forum, but it seems to me that you just created a feedback form for the sake of it and haven't looked at it at all. The mushrooms have been fixed... Good (no) work, dear developers! Keep up the good work!

[carmine meteor]

Glad to see the HotFixes drop on and adjusting on elements in the UI and items, RNG drops adjusted too

[tawdry pebble]

Pretty solid icl

[thin glacier]

Tethren got nerfed?

[violet sequoia]

PEOPLE LOST VIRTUE POINTS CHECK EVERYONE

[carmine meteor]

Adjusted against Agari - lowered damage

[thin glacier]

Ah, so just bosses. Gotcha.

[thin glacier]

Oscellda it is I suppose

[lapis belfry]

Why the feybalt nerfs? 🥲

[glass sleet]

did 3 organs, 2 erstroot 1 chest frag (first waz frag)

[humble sandal]

where i dont see any difference

[thorny tiger]

And a single less upgrated hit, so instead of 7 hits it's now 6 hits

[humble sandal]

still got 22 courage and 20 spirit

[twin grotto]

fellust also gives 1 less buff stage so overall a nerf

[violet sequoia]

me and my friend have the same issue

before hotfix 111 armor and 30 grace

now 28 grace and 105 armor

[carmine meteor]

That seems appropriate due to rebalancing on virtues and scaling adjustments

[thorny tiger]

And still better than before, 6 instead of 5 hits

[carmine meteor]

Indeed yes

[thorny tiger]

I mean waaay before

[pallid iron]

Jisus`

[carmine meteor]

Rebalancing of virtues requirements and prisms adjusting would mean a shift in stats

[fluid ivy]

Turns out it just meant more erstroot

[humble sandal]

man i really like that they managed to put a hotfix after like a few days the update dropped. Its ok im tethren so gotta fight a bit harder now but thats ok 😄

[analog smelt]

Feybalt was too strong, but nerfing it by 75% is probably going too far in the other direction.

[violet sequoia]

yep this not a competetive game they just doing out of the box random shi

[tribal perch]

bet so they nuked Tethren and Bromius is still unusable

[violet sequoia]

instead of bringing mounts they do 1000s of nerfs no one asked for

[timber crown]

Its deffo not stronger than the best courage setups. wild to nerf it with no compensation buffs to staffs.

[main shell]

bring back feybalt and tethren dmg again please

[pallid iron]

WTF

[carmine meteor]

Fellust has been adjusted against Agari for swings

[thorny tiger]

Tethren is not too bad imo

[humble sandal]

it really is not too bad i just tried it

[carmine meteor]

It's a balancing of the ability use against boss' - one less isn't a bad thing

[main shell]

me want my magic attack back

[tribal perch]

im just saying why is Bromius still not fixed

[carmine meteor]

Adjusting virtues and scaling usage of virtues/prisms is good

[carmine meteor]

That will come in future HotFixes

[humble sandal]

the last hit was really insanely strong it was like using the ability once and u could be sure if u hit all hits boss is down

[thorny tiger]

Mora's hand needed a pal

Lol

[carmine meteor]

Magic is quite strong, utilising scaling prisms will assist still - joinires are a boost additive to weapons

[void cypress]

Ironically mora’s hand isn’t that bad this prelude

[analog smelt]

Feybalt before this hotfix was by itself (not using any pact abilities) competitive with many builds actively using abilities.

[main shell]

yeah but joineries are the sole reason next to mastery perks to why the weapon is effective

[humble sandal]

the only thing im kinda critical about is i still have 0 wevet seeds and my character legs are tired

[main shell]

same

lost them from replaying a fable

[carmine meteor]

My envoy skipped legged day 🤣

[main shell]

like cmon soulframe, u could have fixed bromius and mora, and also voicing seeds, but we got 3 nerfs

[teal kelp]

an error with completely disabling the chat when interacting with Avakot
has not been fixed. An error when blocking opponents with shields when they could not be hit in the back
has not been fixed. an error when you stun an opponent in a block and he continues to block player attacks even lying on the ground
has not been fixed. An error when playing with Avakot when he writes a draw in case of victory
has not been fixed. fixed an issue where when you complete a high-level dungeon, you exit in a low-level location.
An error has not been fixed where you cannot knock down the opponent's actions with a kick, but the opponent can knock down your actions at the same time.

These issues were reported even before the release of the 13th foreplay - why can't you do something really important?

[thorny tiger]

Yeah just tried it and tethren is still good, it may affect cogah but eh, no worries there

[carmine meteor]

They are - it takes time to acquire the informational data and apply HotFixes to address issues that may be interlinked in game as it's developing

[violet sequoia]

nice hotfix especially the nerfs

[safe ember]

Yep can confirm, removing Cleavers just mean more odds for Estroot

[carmine meteor]

These may be addressed in future HotFixes - as discussed in a devshort, future HotFixes will come

[thin glacier]

Just wish it wouldn't take so long to farm Dewellion. Tethren made it quick. Going on 2 weeks now without a single fragment.

[thorny tiger]

Gotta have more than 100 pieces, just like rivt II

[main shell]

me want my feybalt back, and voicing seeds too

and bromius bosom stomp dmg

[thorny tiger]

And mora too, don't forget

🤙

[carmine meteor]

I would like to see more Wazzard drops - moving clivers should assist to allow those drops to happen

[timber crown]

Given that spirits defenses are like paper and you have to stand still to strengthen feybalt a massive nerf on top is pretty rough. Spirit already feels worse than courage and grace with magyck weapons having worse runes as well. Choosing now to target the one saving grace of the weapon feels so bad.

[reef basalt]

i hate it. its TOO bright. get blinded when playing at night

[analog smelt]

I had more armor rating in my spirit/grace hybrid build than in my courage builds, lol

[timber crown]

Thats spirit/ grace and the armor matters way less than the health

[main shell]

Yes moras hand too

[analog smelt]

There's no case in which I would pick pure Spirit over spirit/grace

[void cypress]

I think the Tetheren nerf was too much. Reducing charges from 6 to 3 is already bad enough no need to do half as much damage to agari especially when you have flat armor scaling

[main shell]

Haha, no... its just more roots

[keen hedge]

Looks great!

[timber crown]

because spirit is already weaker XD

[twin grotto]

they updated it this hotfix to a new one so its no longer bright

[thorny tiger]

It was from 7 charges to 6 gang

[lunar swallow]

Courage players in shambles rn

[carmine meteor]

Indeed one less swing for Fellust and less damage to Agari boss'

[void cypress]

Only getting 3 with maxed out courage

[analog smelt]

Because there's no equipment that's better with pure Spirit than it is with S/G.

[thorny tiger]

Idk what to tell you then, may be a bug

[pallid verge]

Yay lets goooo got the fellust nerf finally

[void cypress]

I sure hope so

[twin grotto]

some attacks use 2 charges could be that, unless its a bug

[grand condor]

6 to 3 is the feybalt joinery dude

[thorny tiger]

But i'm ingame and i got 6 hits

[timber crown]

Erstroot

[carmine meteor]

Good way to test Fellust is cast and swing freely the weapon

[flat timber]

Hi

[void cypress]

In game right now I’m only getting 3 charges

[void cypress]

Maybe god I’m stupid

I was heavy attacking

[twin grotto]

yeah heavy uses 2

[carmine meteor]

That's possibly stacking 2 charges

[civic karma]

Welp magick is dead

[carmine meteor]

Single light swings use 1 charge for Fellust

[thorny tiger]

Brochacho 🥀

[twin grotto]

it would be nice if DE was transparent about that stuff 😅

[wicked oracle]

Nerfing Feybalt but not fixing issue where Feybalt Blessed by Idris not giving highger Attunement is amazing. As well as not fixing Hollowing for 2 months. Its still deleting loot on occation. Good call DE

[civic karma]

Did magic base damage atleast come up to compensate the enormous 90 damage nerf when it already dealt like 70 damage less than melee before feybalt

[humble sandal]

lol i mean they let us play the game already while its in pre development

[astral spindle]

This is my 9/11

[thorny tiger]

Wooooow

[carmine meteor]

I'd say transparency is quite regular considering the dev shorts and devstreams are done alongside HotFixes and Patchnotes

[twin grotto]

i dont think being transparent about the mechanics of the game are that big of an ask personally

[carmine meteor]

I've come across hollowing deleting gear myself - not every time but it's has been adjusted over time

[civic karma]

So after messing around a bit, magic lost 50-75% of its damage. Rip was fun while it lasted.

[calm cove]

Organs almost exclusively drop erstroot now

[forest salmon]

What is hollowing? i dont want my gear deleted …

[carmine meteor]

Keep me posted on that one Grey - drop tables should adjust for the wazzards robes

[astral spindle]

[carmine meteor]

Hollowing Rune is drop in Cogah mode by the Wazzard

[calm cove]

Did 6 so far and only got erstroot

[thorny tiger]

Is when you work a monotone job for a very long time

[waxen hinge]

as a feybalt enjoyer. this nerf was needed

it was wild how I'd swap to my side arm and go to nuke city

[carmine meteor]

Eng tables may take time to recalculate drop chances - HotFix has only just been shipped

Patience is a Virtue 😊 it'll happen

[latent latch]

No fix for broken Phantom Birds 😭

[carmine meteor]

Enjoy the HotFix all 🐦 test and iterate - of what helps the game get better

[thorny tiger]

Wow, new 4th virtue leak?!?!

[carmine meteor]

😎

Who knows?! 🤔

[thorny tiger]

Courage, spirit, grace and patience

Insane reveal

[modern fiber]

Still doesnt address the lack of attunement at blessed Feybalt?

[lucid tide]

tethren 🥀

[carmine meteor]

Pack of attunement?

Lack*

Joineries add a Buff to weapons when the required prims stats are met

[timber crown]

It was deffo strong but I'm not looking forward to running cogah anymore with magyck weapons. Not even going to bother with pure spirit magyck weapons that is just so much worse now..

[twin grotto]

blessed feybalt joineries specifically don’t show the extra attunement buff unlike the others

[thorny tiger]

Me using gildaur:

[lapis fable]

No Bromius rump thump fix?

[modern fiber]

see the pictures i posted before and compare it with this. blessed Feybalt doesn't provide attunement.

[timber crown]

Was that fun....

[thorny tiger]

Idk, i enjoy the flat bonus damage

[timber crown]

Can you even kill bosses with guildar magic weapons?

[thorny tiger]

Me and my tethren say yes

[timber crown]

I'm crying hopping one day we get a wheelchaired by tehtren meme

[thorny tiger]

Lol

Maybe one day

[haughty ledge]

Wtf with the nerf to magic weapons? They are boring to play, never did too much damage, are the worst at blocking and now they are nerfed?

[radiant bloom]

Sadly, all BIGROOT！

[elder marsh]

I sleep on fellust most times, i rely on smiting more than abilities, it’s okay those changes

[olive gale]

The magic weapon nerfs are kinda baffling, honestly.

[thorny tiger]

True

[lunar swallow]

Maybe my RNG was with me today but I did three organs and got two wazzard chest pieces. No more clivers haha

[calm cove]

I wish, did 9 and got only erstroot

[thorny tiger]

Sorry to tell you that you'll have no luck for the rest of your life

[balmy epoch]

good job thanks ❤️

[near magnet]

As a Tethren main I say the Fellust changes are perfectly fair

[waxen hinge]

I mean uhhh they were leagues ahead of what they should be. So I'm not sure its that bad of a nerf. They're still going to be powerful, just no more "cogah boss melts in seconds" strong

Because hooboy it was overpowered

[timber crown]

Without tethren carrying them I'm sceptical but I'll give them a cogah run test to see.

[forest salmon]

Hey DE, I like the new loading screen but I miss the CROW in the previous screen. Please include crows in your game, Please!!!! Thanks!❤️

[waxen hinge]

I never used tethren, it still wiped bosses in seconds before this nerf

[merry torrent]

Instead of nerfing the pacts, why don't you buff the others?

[waxen hinge]

we are not having this convo again we're not gonna power creep to hell

if you buff all pacts then buff enemies too to compensate its just a disguised nerf

[merry torrent]

Nah, I'm just saying buff the others!

I want to use Orengall and Mora

[timber crown]

Is this in normal or cogah? Also Giladur is now way better on them so if they don't make any changes I literally need to relevel all of my weapons I blessed which sucks.

[waxen hinge]

Cogah. Because hitting for 100-300 daamage a hit at a long range rapid fire was pretty strong in cogah

it would steadily melt healthbars

[past anvil]

So many children in here, "they broke my toys"...

[thorny tiger]

I can confirm

It's still good, just not as good

But still good

[timber crown]

The tradeoff to that is you die very easily.

[waxen hinge]

also it being so easy to proc made it so that you broke defenses without needing to heavy attack

you just hit so hard a heavy wasn't needed

[thorny tiger]

True, true

Like someone may say, it was truly busted

[waxen hinge]

Doing half of that is still obscenely high but gives me a reason to use my sword against bosses

it also may potentially give a reason to use any other joinery on magic weapons

feybalt was just too good

"this joinery gives me 30 extra damage, this one gives me 250 extra damage"

wonder which folk chose

[thorny tiger]

I used gildaur for the flat damage boost, i like it better

At least for the sidearms

Which is what i use

[waxen hinge]

yeah but even its flat damage bonus didn't compare after 2 hits got you stacks.

the gap was just too big

[thorny tiger]

Is that so?

Well, at least i'm glad i didn't get too attached with feybalt

Didn't used it at all

[waxen hinge]

yeah, feybalt gave you a base boost of 20, which then also you got that 20 every stack, and you got up to 6 stacks

it was

a lil strong

[thorny tiger]

Yeah that's def busted

[olive knot]

broken, confirmed by DE but not fixed

[waxen hinge]

cutting that in half makes a lot more sense

well technically to a quarter

since now its base boost is 10 and you get up to 3 more stacks of 10

still VERY strong

but nowhere near as strong

[near magnet]

Tethren’s fine

[waxen hinge]

Tethren also was very powerful and that's why they nerfed it if anything I'm glad they're willing to nerf even if its used a lot

remember the era of "nerf nothing" in warframe that lead to wukong being used by 30% of the playerbase?

[hardy furnace]

Wevetseeds still completely broken and resetting on pickup

[thorny tiger]

Yep

Nice opinion gang

🫂

[night glen]

is there somthin

[near magnet]

It’s a very fair nerf

[waxen hinge]

yeah nerfing for game balance works fine long as they don't ruin the feel of the pact entirely A pact being the default for every boss is bad

[night glen]

is there somthing rong with coop monsters cant be stoned we cant block attacks and thay dont get damage!

[hardy furnace]

You could kill an Agari in one cast of Fellust, it needed balancing

[night glen]

yesterday it was fine

[frosty smelt]

Fellust nerfed! We love to see it Envoys.

[waxen hinge]

It may be a client bug, can the host do it?

If the host can and the other person can't I'd send in a bug report

send in one anyways just make sure you know if its multi related or if its overall

[night glen]

solo works fine we switch host to retest

[waxen hinge]

def report the bug in #1438224825113120788 it just helps the dev team if you know what the source i

[simple bough]

read

[night glen]

LOOKS LIKE THE OTHER CLIENT IS BUGED

[waxen hinge]

welp least you narrowed it down

the joys of co op

[thorny tiger]

Conclusion: kill the host

It's the only way

[civic karma]

Please do an emergency hotfix to unnerf feybalt, the entire category is dead right now.

Bare minimum drop one of the nerfs. Both is WAY too much

[waxen hinge]

how is it dead? Its damage was reduced but it was the single strongest joinery in the game.

[thorny tiger]

Give it time, it's the 1st stage

[waxen hinge]

Like the numbers bring it more in line with the other joineries but still stronger

just no longer "this boss has 3 seconds on its trial to exist"

it was so strong no other joinery had the right to exist on a magic weapon

[civic karma]

Because magic weapons already have 60-70 less damage than any other weapon class, most if not all agari bosses have more armor than they have damage. Feybalt doesnt affect the runes, and doesnt affect heavies. They are less safe than melees with no parry option. And spirit is already in the weakest position right now with weapon options and abilities.

[waxen hinge]

Feybalt previously did far more damage than any other weapon clsas with the joinery though

[undone aurora]

How come I lost courage with this patch ?
Edit : it was a bug, reloading fixed it

[waxen hinge]

that's why it needed this nerf

[civic karma]

Went from having 60 more damage while fully built up with no rune buffs available. To 30 less damage with no rune buffs available

[waxen hinge]

Surprisingly hitting for 300 damage a strike was stronk

[civic karma]

Not once runes were factored in. And restricted heavy attacks

[waxen hinge]

But it was so strong I didn't even need to bother powering up my magic rune

[civic karma]

How is losing 50-75% of their damage ok

[frosty smelt]

Magic weapons have less risk than melee. They have soft aim. They were too powerful for the risk, and skill they provide. You want more damage, play melee, you want more damage play bow. Balancing is needed for things like this.

[waxen hinge]

Because it did way more damage than any other weapon at a long range

[civic karma]

Magic weapons have more risk than melee and much less dps

[waxen hinge]

while being rapid fire no less

[waxen hinge]

Okay as a magic enjoyer how

[frosty smelt]

LMAOOOOOO

[civic karma]

They cannot block or parry 99% of attacks

[waxen hinge]

why are you playing it melee

[frosty smelt]

You are not meant to be in melee range lolol

[thorny tiger]

I mean, isn't that why sidearms exist?

[civic karma]

And most bosses do not allow you to just sit and spam attacks at range, making the damage even worse, dealing literally 1 damage against most bosses without build up

[waxen hinge]

Yeah if you're going long range on one its usually best to do another

[civic karma]

Even with build up you are dealing 1 damage in cogah

[waxen hinge]

what boss won't let you kite them forever

[frosty smelt]

Kite.

[waxen hinge]

aside from the spider

I think the spider is genuinely the only exception

[frosty smelt]

And you can still kite it almost forever

[civic karma]

All of them move faster than kiting, can teleport right next to you or have ranged attack that will hit you or crater your already 0 dps

[waxen hinge]

which one moves faster than kiting lmao

[lucid tide]

erstroot drops on the organ is crazy work ngl, wish that was changed

[civic karma]

Again you deal 1 damage in cogah to almost every boss

[frosty smelt]

No

[waxen hinge]

are you stopping every time you attack?

[civic karma]

Literally yes

[near magnet]

Is anyone in game right now? Did they fix the Wevetseed/Cogah potion issue? I didn’t see it here in the notes just wondering if maybe

[waxen hinge]

And did you also remove the armor reduction totems?

[civic karma]

Im doing it right now.

Some bosses ive seen 9 damage

Wooo 9 damage.

[waxen hinge]

yeah you def removed them

[frosty smelt]

So were in copper

[civic karma]

Let me just chuck a spear for 80x the dps

[waxen hinge]

or your virtues are way low

[civic karma]

Doing that already

[waxen hinge]

yeah we noticed

[civic karma]

Literally max spirit.

How about you go test the weapon before saying shit you clearly dont know about

[gentle peak]

Oh, are those bad? should I not be using them?

[waxen hinge]

oh no they're good

[waxen hinge]

I mean you're here saying that its a super high risk weapon that needs you in melee

[civic karma]

I mean that im def removing the bosses, not removing the def reduction

For what 1 damage

Why do you think its ok for an entire category of weapon to deal 1 damage

[waxen hinge]

I love straw men

https://giphy.com/gifs/athomewithamysedaris-amy-sedaris-at-home-with-ah107-4No3vRTHY9VCaqHtDU

[civic karma]

No. But nearly every boss has tools that will punish you for just spamming magick.

[frosty smelt]

Off to see the wizard ahh arguement

[civic karma]

Its not a strawman its literally happening.

Thats my entrie point here.

[waxen hinge]

Show me where I said that all magick weapons should do one damage then

[frosty smelt]

Off to see the Wazzard was RIGHT there. shit!

[civic karma]

The damage nerf made the category entirely non viable because boss defense exceeds even the built up damage of the weapon.

[waxen hinge]

let me see if I have any cogah pots

[civic karma]

Literally have been.

[waxen hinge]

show me

[civic karma]

The entire time by saying the nerf was needed.

[waxen edge]

I have been following this, he did not say that. He said that enemies have moves that move them towards you constantly which is true. You don't need to put words in his mouth to make your argument, that just looks tacky.

[waxen hinge]

He said its impossible to kite any of the bosses if we wanna get specific on that one.

Which is why its a high risk weapon

[civic karma]

Never said that

[timber crown]

Hey so on retesting Im coming to your point of view. But i'm yet to test in cogah. Curious to know what your build is for cogah so I can try that.

[frosty smelt]

And Kate never said the thing about 1 damage. So what are we doing herez

[waxen hinge]

[gentle peak]

G'raha

[civic karma]

Thats not saying you cant kite bosses, thats saying you cant just kite bosses.

[waxen hinge]

Now let me see if I got my cogah pots or if I need to join someone else's

I hadn't been farming them for a while

[pallid verge]

Damn these nerfs got people heated fr lmao

this is peak discord action rn

[timber crown]

Tbf I don't need you to do a cogah run just wanted to see your suggested build. I ran tethren in my first test with seathorn which was fairly strong but looking to try a new build and test out how it feels. Again I deffo admit I over reacted to the nerf though. Next time I'll verify first.

[waxen hinge]

gah I need wevetsap, that's why I stopped farming them. Time to go grab one

[waxen hinge]

oh not for you for Cole. I can just tell you my build after I test to see if any changes are needed

[waxen edge]

I think half of it are some things are still busted and haven't been fixed while nerfs come rather quickly. Which, can make things feel bad. But yeah, it is getting heated lol.

[uneven igloo]

Reduced the effectiveness of the Feybault Joinery:,
Maximum damage stacks reduced from 6 to 3.
Rusted: Base damage decreased from 10 to 5.
Polished and Blessed: Base damage decreased from 20 to 10.

this has to be on of the dumbest decisions, mage weapons were already underpeforming the others, and now they lose 75% of their damage? this is also only 5 damage better than the normal joinery and that one oyu get all the time instead of after 3 attacks... wellp guess im not playing this patch anymore

[glossy cape]

I noticed Open Helm on Armet of orengall has facial clips

[civic karma]

Yep

[timber crown]

Thanks feel free to drop me a dm, I'm crafting a new Erstroot to test since I got so many from the Organ XD. Will try a cogah run with that and a Gildaur polished.

[civic karma]

God i love losing my cogah because a random sprout glitches me into the stratosphere

[frosty smelt]

Like I understand varying skill levels. But as someone who has tested, and tested, and tested with about 1k hours in the game. Balancing needs to happen. It just does. If it rustles the jimmies, find something else that works for you. Test it. Get good with that.

[waxen hinge]

I'll go fight the lil sprout boss while getting the sap I need for a cogah run just to test if it was nerfed to uselessness

[gentle peak]

Does Vetch getting the thrust animation mean that it's moveset is the same as Dewelion now?

[waxen hinge]

and he's a boss that deflects non heavy attacks a lot

[waxen hinge]

I hope so dewellion is cool

[timber crown]

I agree I guess as mentioned above it feels bad when what you play gets nerfed but there is still other things in the game that are busted. But I guess thats an alpha for you.

[old cedar]

at least the view is nice

[civic karma]

Full armor stripping i can get between flyblades and pull smite all to deal 38 damage after building up.

Melee btw would be over 300 damage a normal

[thorny tiger]

What weapon?

[gentle peak]

If only i could get the fragments to drop TT^TT

[civic karma]

Thanks to the fsct their runes actually buff base damage

[civic karma]

30 erstroot. Havent leveled seathorn yet.

[waxen hinge]

Kombucha melts pretty easy but I forgot to change builds. I was using the grace one

so I was only hitting for 120 a pop

[civic karma]

Compared to a level 10 marrows bane with a blessed.

[frosty smelt]

Melee deserves more damage. It is harder to fight up close. Hopes this helps.

Also Marrow's Bane is the top tier melee weapon in the game.

[waxen hinge]

What's the best non cogah boss to test on since I won't have a pot for a while?

[civic karma]

Right because 10x the damage is totally reasonable when needing to armor strip as much as possible just to deal damage.

No absolutely not. Just remove magic if thats your stance

[frosty smelt]

Yes

[waxen hinge]

Also did they change how armor stripping worked? Before it wasnt cumulative

so idk how folk are getting 100% strip

Before it just took the highest value

[civic karma]

Not 100% just all abailable

Atleast with that weapon

[waxen hinge]

so if you hit with one weapon that did 24 strip and one doing 12 you didn't get 36 you got 24

did the sap trees always whisper at you

[civic karma]

Meanwhile daggers get 1 smite and can spam 800 damage attacks 100% safe for 50 seconds

[carmine meteor]

Indeed they do ided consecutive attack boost instead

[civic karma]

But no. Magic cant have 30 more damage after attacking 6 times.

[gentle peak]

Cole it sounds like you understand and enjoy the game but have the fascinating ability to make every observation sound like a complaint.

[thorny tiger]

Oh yeah, i forgot about the daggers lol

[civic karma]

I love the game but this change is terrible

[waxen hinge]

I give up finding sap Imma go fnid the spider and just do a clip of em

[frosty smelt]

You want I pop you in Cogah rq?

[waxen hinge]

sure, gotta do it fast before my tacos get here, my in game name is RoyalBrook

bring me in coach

[frosty smelt]

Logging in

[waxen edge]

Ooh share the clip! I am bored at work and want to watch!

[civic karma]

Again. Magic dealt 30 more damage than melee after attackign 6 times or more.

Once you add runes into the equation melee was dealing 130-150 more damage than magic. And almost every boss has an easy smite available

[frosty smelt]

Also fuck all the back and forth. NOW THIS IS A LOADING SCREEN! 100% best hot fix ever. 12/10 no notes.

[timber crown]

I'm going to try an Erstroot cogah run now, what was the boss you mentioned to fight?

[civic karma]

Magic was substantially weaker before hand. But it was still a viable option.

Its issue was that paired eith tethren it was entirely free no need for smite to just obliterate the bosses.

[civic karma]

I did a loop around wevet area, hitting each of the bosses. Most i saw was about 40 damage. Lowest was litterally not doing damage needing to swap to offhand and parry to not lose the cogah.

[waxen hinge]

I'm in

also that's a good loading screen

[timber crown]

Prism? I prefer a spirit courage but I can do a pure spirt if you want that for the test.

[gentle peak]

Not to be an optimist but preludes 13 is the first time im like "oh, this is a game i can play for a really long time". I'm very happy with the changes.

[civic karma]

Really sucks that the 2 weapons i have left to level are magic.

[thorny tiger]

Fr

[thorny tiger]

True, you forget that this game is still very incomplete, aside of the fact that when it launches it's gonna be a live service game

So a lot of good content is waiting

[civic karma]

Most of the changes this patch have been great. A lot of pacts got a glow up with the new scaling, tho i think there are some changes they should make to increase build variety, but otherwise great.

Tethren nerf is understandable and still fine.

Magic is the one nerf that just doesnt make sense.

Feybalt shouldnt have stayed the way it did, but 30 damage just doesnt make sense, takes 12(?) attacks to match the dps of gildaur, but the change should have come with a stat raise across the board to compensate.

[waxen hinge]

I got the clip and Imma send to my laptop then upload here @frosty smelt thanks for the cogah test

I was doing a lot more than 1-30

[frosty smelt]

Ofc.

[lunar swallow]

I see this a lot with people who went to go courage and put courage scalers on magic weapons just so they could have low risk stupid high damage all while having heals on a cooldown. It's time for those folks to get interactive LOL

[waxen hinge]

its a level 20 odiac btw

[frosty smelt]

I was doing so much more than 1 damage on a level 20 seathorn LMAOOO

[white lily]

so when is the entire update being rolled back?

[waxen hinge]

Like, it took longer than normal to kill the boss but that's a given

[waxen edge]

Can I just say I love the sounds Seathorn makes? Such good audio on that weapon.

[gentle peak]

I don't forget that its a work in progress at all. Actually I feel a lot of frustration when people talk about the game like it's already a complete work.

[waxen hinge]

I need to get seathorn ltaer

[thorny tiger]

I don't mean you specifically, just everyone as a whole

[white lily]

outside of the tethren nerf, these virtue, armor, and weapon changes have been awful.

[frosty smelt]

Agreed the best visual and audio weapon in the game. I just wish the effects were a shade quiter, but I will live.

[waxen hinge]

ignore potato quality I'm on my steamdeck

but this seems very reasonable for it being "nerfed to being unusuable"

[gentle peak]

woah we're in the same spot on the map... small island.

[civic karma]

Dont know why i would play magick when i could just stand at range and throw a dagger or polearm for several time the damage. Or just use a bow.

[frosty smelt]

I was doing 159 dmg on heavies and 70-80 on light attacks. Without ANY joinery.

[waxen hinge]

I like how the clip was immediately ignored to say "magick is trash throw instead"

throws are slower and don't home in

[gentle peak]

if you want to play magic then you should play magic! you aren't competing against anyone!

[frosty smelt]

Here are the goal posts you wanted moved siiiiir.

[thorny tiger]

And bow is aim exclusive, no softlock

🤙

[waxen hinge]

Like this is an odiac that needs to be fully levelled still

[civic karma]

Then magic should be a viable option for damage

[waxen hinge]

but it is

I literally just uploaded a clip

its in cogah

[civic karma]

Against the boss with the least armor and still taking a long time with 2 players

[timber crown]

I'm crying i was fighting but without damage numbers turned on.

[frosty smelt]

Magic is a low risk weapon type, and that's okay. It deserves to have less damage than being in someone's face running the risk of losing your Cogah/dying in one hit.

[gentle peak]

magic isgreat in this game. I like that it centers around balancing spellcasting with finding a good spot to stand. It reminds me of how the black mage in FFXIV works.

[waxen hinge]

we're doing 100+ damage a hit with weapons not fully levelled and not beating him in 5 seconds the weapon is trash

[thorny tiger]

I mean, it's cogah, it's not meant to die in 5 seconds

[waxen hinge]

we just went to the closest boss lmao

[white lily]

magic only become viable once you minmax into it, which is honestly an awful option. Granted, with this update it seems minmaxxing is the only option.

[civic karma]

Again every melee has a ranged option that has much more damage than magic. Its not any lower risk than any other weapon. In fact its higher risk because it doesnt have parry or blocking against most attacks

[waxen hinge]

Show me how fast you can throw your melee and hit every time at a range

[gentle peak]

do you want to like, whack enemies with your stick?

[civic karma]

Literally dagger or polearm dealing 5-10x the damage throwing at half the speed of magic standing still, if you are struggling to hit the enemy thats a you problem

[waxen hinge]

But I guess if you find magic to be completely unusable now just don't use it. Its still perfectly fine.

[frosty smelt]

This is a futile arguement. If you want to be sad about the change be sad. It is not my job to convince you. Just to point out you are being overdramatic, and a tad ridiculous.

[tidal prism]

There is no patience virtue. I will see myself out...

[waxen hinge]

Your dagger throw hits for 1k without a virtue?

er pact I mean

I'm gonna swap to grace to see if that's even possible

[waxen edge]

Oh yeah, a thrown only cogah boss clip next! Let's see it!

[civic karma]

Where are you dealing 100-200 damage with magic on bosses with 80+ armor.

[thorny tiger]

Most weapons have a long wind up, leaving you vulnerable when throwing, and you also gotta nail the lil bar on the spot for more damage, magic dps can probably match a single throw

[waxen hinge]

I love moving goalposts

[civic karma]

And yes. Runes ive hit 1k with polearm throws.

[frosty smelt]

LMAOOOOOOOOOO no you have not.

Show me now

Get on. CLip it, and show me.

[waxen hinge]

...........first off, we were not talking about runes. Second off. I wanna see the rapid throws of 1k on a cogah boss without tethren

[waxen edge]

I am just here for the clips as this is making my work day go by faster. Either way this is interesting.

[waxen hinge]

You made a point earlier of not including runes for damage

[timber crown]

Ngl this is actually possible with the right ssetup

[frosty smelt]

Oh "With runes" just constantly moving goal posts lolol

[thorny tiger]

I have hit 1k with a throw too, i had tethren

[timber crown]

A creator did a video on it

[frosty smelt]

I missed with runes.

[waxen hinge]

yeah but without runes or tethren is that actually possible?

[thorny tiger]

Maybe a headshot, but that's way harder to do with a melee throw

[timber crown]

I mean last time i saw this it was in p12 with gath and oscelda

[waxen hinge]

I can't imagine that being your standard damage per throw

[civic karma]

How. Almost every boss has easy smites, and unlike magic melees and bows have runes that buff the initial damage.

Ive made runes a consideration literally this entire time

[frosty smelt]

I hit flat 738 with SNB throw, and that is without runes. It's the strongest throw in the game from what I have tested.

[waxen hinge]

Ah so using the stone method?

If so that checks out

That gives a huge multi

[frosty smelt]

Also that SNB throw is no skills either.

[waxen hinge]

Obviously you can't quite "spam it" as fast though

since you need to be near water

[gentle peak]

Kate sorry to ask an annoying thing but it's been bothering me: is your icon Presea Combatir?

[waxen hinge]

Nope, but same franchise. This is Arche from Phantasia

[thorny tiger]

I hit 742 with a perfect throw on the head

[frosty smelt]

^^^^

[thorny tiger]

And it's a greatsword

[frosty smelt]

Headshot

[thorny tiger]

Yep

[gentle peak]

damn now im more embarassed, i should have recognized her...

[thorny tiger]

And no buffs

[waxen hinge]

I like my tales games

[frosty smelt]

I haven't tested greatsword throwing super in depth this preludes.

[civic karma]

Even my lvl 23 roastrum is dealing 3-4x the damage of magic without runes and thats shit spamable as hell. Hit 1 headshot and youll hit for 800 easy due to grace scaling

[scarlet nacelle]

I've done 3k with Gath and Bestone

[frosty smelt]

We want that raw dog, no skilly poohs 🙂

[civic karma]

Grace paragon hits for like 1.5k on headshots no rune

[waxen hinge]

I think the moment we include bestone we throw any idea of damage out the window its just a free for all

[thorny tiger]

Ah grace, that's another factor

I have a courage build

[frosty smelt]

Same @thorny tiger

WHich again that hammers home the point I am hitting 159 with heavies and consistently 72 on lights on bosses in Cogah with a level 20 Seathorn. 38 courage.

[thorny tiger]

I did it with 23 courage, 20 spirit and 10 grace, greatsword pureza with 172 damage on a simple hit

[civic karma]

Bs

[frosty smelt]

Would you like my video.

[thorny tiger]

Ah and with a verdita polished

Sorry, i have my game in Spanish

[frosty smelt]

I am still in Cogah I can actaully show you.

[civic karma]

Yes because thats more damage than the thing has. All you have to do to disprove that is post the stat card

[timber crown]

Ok ngl seathorn is kinda broken. Why I'm not testing with it because it is so far above the other magic weapons

[civic karma]

Unless the seathorn is just double the damage or erstroot before ANY scaling

[frosty smelt]

I am heading to fight Knelly boi now

[thorny tiger]

Dawg they said that no more tales ending in dungeon, and all the tales i have end in dungeon 🥀

[civic karma]

Just post the stat card

[waxen edge]

Yay! More clips!

[tidal prism]

Skill issue, you can attack in air to slow down fall

[civic karma]

I was attacking when i got launched so it ate my fall cancel

[waxen hinge]

I love falling at mach 5 then at the lsat second swinging a sword so I land pillowy soft

[spice smelt]

Tethren + Feybalt. For me it was 6 magick hits (2.5~ seconds) to defeat an agari earlier, and 6 magick hits now. If this got really updated it's just a small "deserved" balance, probably more visible in early game but irrelevant once you got everything.

ANYWAY DE: defensive totem are not adding any stats, again.

[timber crown]

Ok I just did synecure errant the one near the spider, with a lvl 30 Erstroot (feybalt blessed by Idris) and an armor pen toitem, I was doing roughly 53 dmg per hit.

[civic karma]

They should not be balancing an entire weapon category around the existence of 1 ability

Especially when DE's new design philosophy categorized the ability and pact as a courage scaler and all magic is spirit scaler.

[frosty smelt]

Here is the skill card you requested.

You're right the skill card does not say 159 it says TWO HUNDRED SIXTEEN

[thorny tiger]

Sheesh, that's some good damage

Gotta get that weapon

[frosty smelt]

just for reference.

[waxen hinge]

I wish it was voltaik though just so we had a second type for a staff

[civic karma]

How 21 spirit with 38 courage?

[waxen hinge]

mastery

[frosty smelt]

I was on a different build then lol

[civic karma]

Im 17. No lol

[waxen hinge]

and they swapped on that one

Even without it it won't reduce the damage that much with the change in how attunements work

[frosty smelt]

I swapped to a hybrid for this fight but lets show you the full courage.

[civic karma]

Hitting the requirement give a large damage boost

[waxen hinge]

Are you gonna say hitting the requirement doubles or triples it after they made a patch that you no longer have it cut in half when you don't meet the req?

[frosty smelt]

Its 124 on the skill card full courage, so my bad I was wrong on the number for 38 courage.

[civic karma]

Adding 6 spirit to hit the requirement for odiac takes me from 54 damage to 82

[waxen hinge]

You have courage too right?

[frosty smelt]

So there is a huge leap with 21 Spirit from 9

[waxen hinge]

look closer at odiac

so once you hit that spirit req you're also getting your courage as a bonus entirely

[frosty smelt]

However wrong or not, you know what it was more than. ONE. or NINE. Which was your origina;l complaint before you wanted to move the goal posts.

[civic karma]

Going from min spirit to 21 takes me from 44 damage on an unleveled seathorn to 94

[timber crown]

Ok this is after killing 2 other cogah bosses, pretty much carried by my pact and its a lvl 30 erstroot (with a bugged feybalt blessedd by idris)

[civic karma]

That requirement is massive.

[waxen hinge]

Someone with seathorn check it and see if its damage is reduced by 60% if you don't meet the req

oh hey look at that Cole

the same thing

again

Its not just the flat spirit amount, its that you have grace thrown on with it

[civic karma]

Not even min spirit.

[waxen hinge]

yes that's the base

and then you throw in grace with it

All your points in grace are also being applied as soon as you hit the threshold

[civic karma]

Hes on a max courage build, meaning less spirit and grace than this.

[frosty smelt]

Again if you want to be sad, I get it. It's okay man, but don't act like we all don't know what we are talking about.

[waxen edge]

Garden Rood is so good for bosses lol. Nice fight though!

[waxen hinge]

also that's a rank 0 weapon where you're not meeting the threshold without totems it looks

you lose 30% of your damage at rank 0

[timber crown]

Ignoring yall's argument I was doing 47 dmg per hit in cogah with a level 30 weapon which isn't great especially when i was only on the third boss. I am a tad it concerned for magyck weapons in cogah that aren't seathorn.

[civic karma]

Yes, because my point is that he changed builds because if he didnt it would have been obvious he was lying about the damage he was dealing

[frosty smelt]

I was not lying brother.

Was I doing 1 damage, Cole?

[civic karma]

You were

[waxen hinge]

Mate, based on how this stuff's gone at best I can see it as a mistake since goalposts have moved like 6 times now

[frosty smelt]

Was I doing one damage like you claim and complained about?

[civic karma]

I have not moved the goalpost at all

[timber crown]

Yeah Rood completely carried that fight XD. Its a bit outrageous.

[frosty smelt]

You said magic weapons did one damage Cole

[civic karma]

Why change builds.

[waxen hinge]

"You can't even break the armor on cogah"
"You can't kite enemies on cogah"
"Magic is the riskiest weapon type, with dmage this low its useless"

[frosty smelt]

Cole 1 damage is what you said? WOuld you like me to scroll up and smear the egg on your face too?

[timber crown]

Ok I'm out since this is getting so heated gl to yall

[waxen hinge]

"It only does one damage against all cogah bosses"
"runes won't help it"

[civic karma]

Because you know the thing doesnt even have 72 damage before feybalt, and with enemy armor on bosses being in the 50-100 range you know that would be impossible

[tidal prism]

Magic is the riskiest tbh...

[waxen hinge]

its a long range weapon with one of the easiest slows you can apply in the game

that homes in on enemies and pierces them

[frosty smelt]

You are sad. Its okay, brother. I made an honest mistake in build and then advised I was wrong. How is that lying? I am out too. Why the buddy sad over game lol.

[waxen hinge]

Until DE nerfs slows on bosses or puts a cap on them it is far from a risk

[civic karma]

Runes dont help it, feybalt doesnt affect base damage and thus doesnt affect the runes damage. And they literally do 1 damage against a lot of the bosses, taking it to the lowest armor boss doesnt disprove my point.

[tidal prism]

Sure but a lot of bosses have ranged attacks and aoe, one mistake and u gone. With courage at least u have more hp, better parry, can regain hp when attacking etc etc. With bow u have like 10x more range and 10x more dmg on headshots

[waxen hinge]

So you're telling me that most bosses have enough armor to reduce your hit from 130 to 1?

[civic karma]

Way worse than flyblades and not any safer than any melee at range, while doing much less damage with no way to block or parry

While also taking much longer to kill, allowing the enemy to attack you with ranged attacks more.

[waxen hinge]

you can fully deflect all ranged attacks including grenades if you bonk em right

its actually a fun ability

[tidal prism]

Sure and like i said 1 mistake and u are gone. We are talking about risk here

[waxen hinge]

all projectiles regardless of the source right now can be deflected

[waxen hinge]

I mean there is the standard method too

[frosty smelt]

My last post on this. This is actively what is happening lol.

[waxen hinge]

https://giphy.com/gifs/lmao-hs-these-gifs-are-my-life-xowbqCc2wcrC0

[civic karma]

There are bosses with that much damage reduction yes. Even on greatswords with the fire rune i was dealing less than 100 damage at points.

[waxen hinge]

......did they hyper nerf melee then?

[random anvil]

🍵

[waxen hinge]

[civic karma]

No, bosses are just that tanky dude.

[waxen hinge]

Did they hyper buff cogah boss armor then?

I havne't done a cogah boss since P12

[civic karma]

Again no, its been this way

[tidal prism]

They just need to change flat armor to % reduction and it will fix all issues. Theres a reason all good online rpgs use % reduction instead of flat armor. Its inherently broken

[waxen hinge]

I uh, think you're exagerrating if your fire rune damage is less than 100 or your build is just... weird

[civic karma]

Its always been this way. We just have always had tools to do way more than that

Max courage pure courage scaling weapon with the 100% buff active.

[waxen hinge]

What buff are you talking about that doubled your courage?

[civic karma]

It was needleseye while leveling it, mendicant and i beleive the mockery both took me under 100 rven with that.

Fire run 100% damage buff

[waxen hinge]

That.. doesn't also double your courage, it only ggrants the damage bonus. And if you're hitting that low on mendicant king are you hitting him while he's trying to block?

[civic karma]

I never said it doubled courage

Just that it was a 100% buff.

[waxen hinge]

man I'm just out at this point

you have fun complainin

[tidal prism]

You interpreted it wrongly Kate

[civic karma]

Why assume i was taliking about courage when i also mentioned the fire run 1 second earlier

[tidal prism]

I didnt read that as 100% buff to courage tbh

[rocky rose]

Bring back the old point-buy system

[civic karma]

I dont think people have noticed this, but the higher the virtue requirement on the weapon the heavier the punishment for not reaching the threshold.

At 38 courage dude has a max of 15 spirit assuming both story points went into spirit and hes running the spirit medallion, at 15 spirit the seathorn gains.... 0 damage from attribute scaling. Making the base damage in the high 50-low 60s range. 80-90 with feybalt. Meaning that cogah bosses would have to have less than 20 armor to still hit 72 damage. Which mid you is less armor than a random sinecure grunt, who have around 40 armor.

And the one clip that was posted showed a slow as hell kill with damage numbers turned off against the boss with the lowest armor.

[waxen hinge]

I literaly had damage numbers on tf you talkin about.

[civic karma]

Lvl 25 archers have 30 armor btw

[waxen hinge]

Don't think because I stepped away to eat you can just make things up lmao

What level 25 archer are you talking about

[civic karma]

Oh didnt see your clip, only saw the earlier one

Basic random trashmob archers.

[waxen hinge]

The one you looked at and said proved nothing? I'm out again

[thorny tiger]

This conversation is never gonna end

[civic karma]

The one sgainst the archer boss is the one i was refering to

[waxen hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/plankton-remember-therapy-gif-14969031

[thorny tiger]

Bruh, every quest ends in dungeon, what is this 🥀

[waxen edge]

Take care! For the record, I am just as confused as you are.

[waxen edge]

They were supposed to fix this, but if not a good place for fast farms are the tier 3's by Fort Kernhold as they send you either to the crypts or glades and those exits are right by the same 2 trees. So it makes farming rep really quick.

[main shell]

I dont know what happened while i was gone but i hope they bring back the old stuff and fix mora and bromius

[modern fiber]

You seem dont understand what i'm addressing here. I'm addresssing that BLESSED Feybalt doesnt provide attunement bonus. I'm very well aware that Feybalt is boosting consecutive attack, but that's not the problem. The problem is BLESSED Feybalt doesnt provide attunement bonus when they should. IF Blessed Feybalt doesn't give attunement bonus, then what tf is the difference between the BLESSED Feybalt and the POLISHED one. Goddamn.

[grave trench]

Thanks @merry nexus for the updates and the super clear confirmation that folks here are being heard. While I'm still mixed on prisms I feel like with enough tinkering they could really be a great system.

[civic karma]

Just use gildaur. Feybalt sucks now. No reason to use it.

Even assuming you can attack without stopping it takes 12 hits to match the damage output of gildaur

[modern fiber]

yeah. I'm currently using Gildaur because Feybalt is bugged. Now that they nerf it, I'm commited to using Gildaur instead

[civic karma]

Real glad i put a blessed feybalt into erstroot. At the start of p13. Only for it to not work and get nerfed into oblivion.

[tidal prism]

Double trouble

[modern fiber]

ye

[tidal prism]

They could have at least fixed attunement bug before nerf

[desert knot]

Fixed?

[civic karma]

Should have been 1 of the 2 nerfs and add 10 to base damage of all magicks. And make it work with archstorm so that its atleast comparative to other weapon types.

[tidal prism]

Yeah the fact archstorm is actually a separate attack is kinda weird esp with flat armor enemies

You do double 1 dmg if you dont break armor with main attack

Meanwhile melee and bow rip trough armor with rune

Hell bow rune even goes trough block

I feel like magic overall is massively undercooked compared to melee and bows and i dont mean just dmg but overall playstyle, choices etc

[main shell]

Alright, gildaur it is

[civic karma]

Can't wait till more people realize how strong tethrens 2 is in p13 with full spirit.

In p12 it was adding like 30 base damage, which was already good its like 100 now.

[warm crypt]

how do you get fellust to stick for 6 hits? Im using it at level 30 pact and i only get 3 hits out of it after the nerf

[tidal prism]

Heavy attacks uses 2 stacks

Also u lose a stack even if you dont hit anything

[thorny tiger]

also throwing a weapon costs 2 stacks

[lime cedar]

hmmm still no fix to virtues bugging when swapping pacts?

[unique haven]

Another dissatisfied and confused Magick player.
DE Could you explain the Faybalt situation to us?

[tidal prism]

This i didnt know, thanks

[civic karma]

If you want to use magick, spirit tethren is still an option otherwise it sucks. Also just switch to gildaur. Feybalt takes 12 consecutive hits to catch gildaur in damage. Gildaur also applies to archstorm so with that its strictly better for like 30 attacks or some stupid amount.

[clear shell]

Duck totem still bugged

[molten idol]

Skilter's runic FX were a little too bright but looked cool AF and kinda were what I imagined with its sprite having those blue details. It seems to me that they were completely reversed with this hotfix, turning my dissapointment into unmeassurable and my day to be ruined.

[grave creek]

İ dont know

[ionic root]

3 organs, 3 erstroot in a row... Please fix this 🥴

[scarlet nacelle]

they will be fixing this soon they are adding a new ode bow into the drop table instead of the staff as the staff was a placeholder

[winter zenith]

6 organs, 6 erstroot....this is worse than before

[clear shell]

so there is no reason to do it now then

[scarlet nacelle]

worry not it will get better when the new bow is added ill advise holding off on doing the organ till then as they will also likely up the rates on the wazzard set.

[scarlet nacelle]

yes basicly

[empty herald]

Its too obnoxious

[empty herald]

They are louuuuud lol

[frosty smelt]

I have my game turned down to 15 and it's still loud lol.

[next verge]

This is the one caveat I'd have to the feybault nerfs as a hardcore magick main. Daggers are fullstop the most overpowered weapon in the game right now, I'm sure you could stay invisible forever if you knew enemy spawns while doing ludicrous amounts of damage. Magick is safer than melee, but melee also gets more health, archers decimate me at the very least while using magick. Need to play around with it and see how much worse it feels it might not feel too bad and its not completely unjustified of a nerf, but it is definitively without a doubt not the weapon type that needed a nerf.

Would also for the sake of the arguement I scrolled through, love to see magick weapons in current form runed up and all, vs bows doing the same. They're just as easy to spam charged hits with, get easy smite with good runes that can blitz bosses health bars

[bleak bluff]

Still virtue requirements are by far the worst part of P13, please remove virtue requirements, they don't belong on split scaling weapons

[frigid warren]

+1, can confirm, morale is continuing to decline

[manic juniper]

To be fair, please read Sarah's update.... The Organ is going to be updated with a new bow.

Drops are STILL broken

Better to take a pause till it gets reworked

[next verge]

Cannot pause, must collect

[clear shell]

ill take a little brake, im gonna back when they fix organ drops and totems

And i still dont get that last totem

i hunt for it since p12

[clever vault]

Imagine nerfing a pact before fixing one not working.

[blazing roost]

I have 50+ blessed gildaur joineries and less than 10 blessed feybalts since its a lot tougher to farm those. What was the point in farming blessed feybalts if they are not worth the trouble anymore? My magic staff can't make me go invisible or shoot millions of raining arrows from the heavens so this nerf just came out of nowhere to me. I enjoy playing mage/oscelda but if everthing requires me to be tethren on every build or just stick to boring ol' bow and dagger combo then why even bother farming for blessed feybalts? Just remove them entirely. Point being if it's tougher to farm blessed feybalts than blessed gildaurs and they're not even worth it anymore; why exists as a less effective option?

[clear shell]

Nerfing magick wepons whe daggers and bow exist

[verbal jetty]

After preludes 13 update Faybalt blessed by Iridis is not giving the bonus virtue, mora and saphene are working fine only visual bug

[next verge]

4 erstroot in a row goated hotfix fr

3 independent bugs in a row so damn goated frfr

[gleaming moat]

just tested Tethren solo in Cogah mode

I still be able to 2 ~ 4 hit all bosses

so it's not that bad

XD

[civic karma]

Mine kept bugging out and buffing the wrong hits. Like the fellust hits qould all do the same damage then the next 3 hits after would do like 4-5 times the damage.

Worked fine against normal enemies, just act8ng weird on bosses.

[scarlet nacelle]

Which pact is not working?

[upbeat hull]

nerfing fellust nerfing magic no rump thump fix no robes drop rate fix what are we doing???

[clever vault]

Bromius stomp

[lunar swallow]

maaaaaaaaaaaaaaan

This cant be what they envisioned

[bitter leaf]

yo😭😭🙏

[scarlet nacelle]

The fellust nerf is not a bad thing its way more ballenced now and is nolonger a delete this boss and it bloodline completely button now its mostly delete this boss to lessen the crutch that tethren was before. They will fix the robes drop rates and I have no idea on the rump thump im sure they know of it and are working on it just give them time they said that they have hot fixes in the works

And the magic nerf is not even noticeable really especially if you are using the hollowing rune.

[scarlet geyser]

"Big legs ain’t that scary!" ... Avakot always be body shaming :p

[scarlet nacelle]

This will be fixed soon.

[lunar swallow]

I understand that and I know what was on the Devshorts today

My point stands that this is not what they could have envisioned

however, that being said the pool will still get diluted with the Ode Sword and Bow coming into the Organ loot pool

So here is hoping they take what they learn here and apply it forward

[scarlet nacelle]

The esteroot plague will be fixed hopefully in the next hotfix as it was a temporary item till the one that was supposed to be there is aka the new ode bow. And no they did not envision that. And they likely will re balance the loot pool

[glossy fiber]

No mention of pact arts costing 10 skill points and only giving 4 virtue points. So that is intentional then?

[upbeat hull]

i refuse to believe that

[desert knot]

Pls don’t be intentional

[haughty ledge]

Seriously, wtf is wrong with that loot table?

[pallid verge]

yall be upset if you want, the meta needed to be free from this overused ability

[little zodiac]

they should just buff the other pacts

[pallid verge]

They should absolutely not

they are trying to keep power scaling to a minimum, otherwise this becomes warframe all over again

Power scaling in warframe is terrifyingly uncontrolled

[fervent bolt]

If they havent nerfed fellust, we would be doing 6 digit dmg or more in the near future 🤣

[polar jewel]

Fellust nerf. It had to happen.

Right on, DE. Keep it going.

[fathom dome]

Seems that it ended up happening, it was sadly necessary and the easiest way to fix.

[errant mica]

where does it say this is fixed?

[granite yarrow]

Probably referring to this? Removed the ‘Spoilt Plunder’ Tale (“Kill any Sinecure in the Undercity”) step from occurring.

[next verge]

15 organs today

1 fragment

That's the most I could physically do in the time I have

That's a 6% drop chance for today fml

[unique haven]

around 100 Organs

[glossy fiber]

Hmm so with my 3 organs a day or so will mean I should have it by p14

interesting

[icy valve]

For Wazzards Armor: Does removing Cliver drops mean more chance for the armor? Or is that just an increased chance for Erstroot, of which I already have like 40

[frozen aspen]

Right now? It looks like it just makes it so that erstroot drops 95% of the time

[lucid tide]

i did 9 since the hotfix and got zero wazzard drops. felt like i got more drops pre hotfix

[calm cove]

30 since hotfix and only one wazzard fragment

Somehow feels like it's worse then beforeXD

[forest salmon]

Yes, the past 9 runs all were estroot. I mean I am a very patient person but psychologically this feels bad, like something is broken. Give extra dracs atleast as a possible reward.

[velvet crystal]

yes remove the erstroot drop, let the wazzard be low chance but give us more dracs or ressources and it will feel better than having 30 estroot in my inventory

[forest salmon]

I think this should be applied to all world bosses/events. No problem with low chance for specific items but, if they give lets say enclave points/meaningful resources as possible drops it will feel much nicer to play. Not only that but also when you are done from getting your items, you might actually pass by and do them for fun rather than skip them. I rarily do world bosses now, i dunno maybe just me.

bosses atleast give runes and those duplicates can be sold for dust which is nice i suppose

[short bear]

so this means that instead of erstroot it will be continued bow drops unless they make it a 25/25/25/25 dropweight

[forest salmon]

In a loot game in which you can also spend real money to get the item to avoid farming, I do not mind very low drops and I want DE to make money somehow. Just that the runs should'nt be wasteful and it does because you cant do anything with extra fragments that you get right now.

[oblique vigil]

[short bear]

if YOU dont mind then YOU are the exception because there are plenty of people who dont want to use their money. these people have invested a lot of time and still didnt receive the item they were gunning for.
so yes, you can skip the grind with money but evidently investing your time doesnt get you the item either.

[tidal prism]

It does get you the item just not maybe as fast as you would like. That being said they already said they are gonna fix it and once trading is finally implemented getting rare items should no longer be an issue.

[short bear]

It took someone over 100 organ runs to get the full wazzard armor. the amount of time invested with no sense of achievment or progress is unacceptable to me imho.
good, glad theyre fixing it and the trading will bring forth the green-eyed monsters who will ask a stack of premium currency of you, so this is not a win to me

[tidal prism]

And you can earn that currency by selling other items to ppl that want them but dont have.

[short bear]

guess the hope of not turning soulframe into warframe dies with the introduction

lets look forward to soulframe.market shall we

"selling paragon bp for 500 arcs"

[tidal prism]

Market is already on website, just not working atm

Warframe us highly regarded among f2p games when it comes to generosity of DE. They let u obtain any item in game without paying and they let u get premium currency by selling items to other players.

If thats how SF is gonna work its a win in my book

[short bear]

depending on how the game evolves it will create a monopoly of players who have access to certain items because of level etc and create a premium currency funnel

i,e, void cascade

i,e, arcanes

[tidal prism]

You cant create monopoly if you cant lockout ppl from farming items like in some PvP MMOs. Rare items are obv gonna be more expensive, thats just supply and demand.

[frozen aspen]

I'd say as long as it's like how modern trading is, and not like how it used to be 10 years ago, then it'll be fine

[little zodiac]

in Warframe, there's a trading limit which depends on your mastery rank.

I guess i would be the same here

[short bear]

i had hoped for this game to not use it's big sister as reference for everything

thats all

[little zodiac]

ofcourse not, only just the core of what makes WF great

[frozen aspen]

I'll call it an upgrade if we can just trade through the nightfold instead of a big guild or another maroo's bazaar

[lyric kindle]

Before P13 I had like ~17 cougah poitions now I have 0 Is this ok? wtf DE

[forest salmon]

I am not saying I want to spend money to get the item, I am just saying I kind of understand if a developer chooses such method in which pushes impatient players choose to spend money.
Look maybe I played many loot games and I saw things much rarer than what we are experiencing. Like I almost have 100% of all items without spending a single arc and I only started by the end of P12

And the problem with loot games, once you get them the game starts to die out. The amazing game design I find in SF that it motivates you to collect all items. Now I only wish in the future they introduce game-modes in which it pushes you to use your hard earned maxed ranked items.

[tight sphinx]

Hopefully they make fast travel for free in the future. 👀

[frozen aspen]

They'll probably see how mounts go first

[carmine meteor]

I wish I got this blessed 😀🙏 🤣 what a collection!

[oblique vigil]

[carmine meteor]

Hahaha so good 😊💯

[oblique vigil]

my cogah was blessed too

[carmine meteor]

Oh me oh my! I am still breeding mine back up - still playing around alot with the new systems - really enjoying most changes with some issues but, expected due to game still developing 😁

Brewing*

Nice when the drops are a little too much such as the seeds 🤣

[tight sphinx]

First they must be released.

[frozen aspen]

Pretty much, yeah

[carmine meteor]

Release the Mounts! 😀 Uber looking forward to them

[tidal prism]

They wont, they said numerous times they dont want to completely invalidate open world. They will make it easier to traverse with stuff like mounts though.

[flat timber]

+1

[daring notch]

Can someone genuinely explain to me the balance philosophy here? Nerfing Felllust and Feybolt Joinery while not buffing a single thing?

[long badger]

Probably because better stuff is coming our way and tbh everything works. At least for me. Otherwise maybe it is just skillissue

[polar tiger]

Decreased chance of Votive ending in dungeons doesn't really seem to be accurate, I've had Circade for 3 times in a row.

Granted I might just be incredibly unlucky, but still

[sudden salmon]

94% chance is less than 95%!

[rain apex]

@merry nexus
May I ask if there is a new 'Shield' in the works aswell?
The two of them must feel pretty lonely by now, hearing that all the others have more than one if not many friends already

[tidal prism]

I kinda agree its weird that some weapon types have so many choices and they keep getting even more, while some are literally abandoned at this point.

Shouldnt the focus be on keeping same number of weapons per type at all times or at least close to same?

[rain apex]

I already felt bad for the 'Shields' when Preludes 12 launched with 'Greatswords' as a trio and 'Bows' getting a new friend (through Wyld Sirin and another one from Thawtide)

[clear shell]

Shields are sad weapon category, only 2, when GS have 3, bah we have 4 staffs and 3 casters, 5 bows and 124 short swords. We need more shields, and maybe polearms i want new stick

[daring notch]

@merry nexus Heyllo! Would it be possible to get an explanation as to the balance philosophy right now?

I am very concerned by it at the moment as it seems Nerfing (besides Runes) without reallocating that power anywhere else is the current state the game is in. It would be really really nice to get buffs to the underperforming areas (magic Weapons, Ode, Mora, Orengall, etc.)before another wave of nerfs rolls out❤️

[icy valve]

Lets hope they fix all the clipping issues with the armor sets, it really makes me not wanna use some founder items

Male Wyld Oscelda Helmet for example is atrocious with the hair

[verbal fulcrum]

what is the drop rate for the wazzard outfit? I have ran the organs over 60 times and still am missing 2 pieces of the robes... feeling like im glitched at this point

[tidal prism]

Very low atm but they are aware of it and it will get fixed

[static junco]

female syrin helmet also has terrible clipping when moving, makes the helmet unusable to me

[random anvil]

Someone reported finally getting the outfit after 300 runs. I have none after 43.

So rng fest for sure

[oblique vigil]

either

[forest salmon]

Your stats are actually good

[verbal fulcrum]

really? its giving me PTSD for the rune. it took me 50 nimrod kills to get D:

[forest salmon]

I mean good compared to what majority are facing

[forest salmon]

Even though it took me a while to get Dewellion, it did not feel like the way it feels when going for the Wazzard set

[verbal fulcrum]

yesssssssssss i agree

[glossy fiber]

This armour drop rate is actually a feature it exists as a callback to the Gath drought. Remember those fun times, makes you nostalgic 😄

[upbeat hull]

ive reached max standing w all 3 factions and i still dont have enough seathorn pats what th is going onnn

[short bear]

Go T3 northeast - I’ve gotten all my parts from tales that end in the glades. My personal experience

[tidal prism]

Low drop rates are not necessarily bad atm as the game is still in pre alpha and has limited content it gives u stuff to work on long term. Once it has a lot more content they can make rare stuff more common.

And more importantly it needs high replayability content such as infinite missions with better rewards the higher u go (just an example).

[polar tiger]

Ok the increased Virtues from pacts are a godsend, I can now use the weapons I wanted XD