Soulframe Preludes 12 Hotfix 8

[dusky bronze]

General Changes and Additions

• Wyld Tethren’s male torso has been updated to appear thicker in the torso and chest.
• Wyld Oscelda’s male variant now has a flatter and leaner torso, and his robes now flow to better match his warlocky ways.
• “Rise, Envoy” can now be replayed. Envoys may freely try all three starting Pacts again during replay, but this will not alter their permanently chosen Faction or Pact. This Fable is solo-only.
• All Pacts now gain Life at Ranks 5, 15, and 30.
  Pacts now receive 2 Combat Arts at Ranks 4 and 19 (as the Life gains replace the Combat Arts received at Rank 5 and 15).
• Increased Wyld Tethren Courage bonus from 5 to 9 to match Wyld Oscelda.
• Increased Wyld Sirin Grace bonus from 5 to 9 to match Wyld Oscelda.
• Reduced Oscelda’s starting Spirit bonus from 9 to 5 to match other starting Pacts.
• Oscelda's Tendril passive now correctly states it "stops movement," rather than "slows movement."
• Increased Infamy earned during Sieges while using The Cogah.
• Reduced the amount of Synsylk Ziplines present at Fort Curlail, with the location of Ziplines alternative on Siege replays.
• Spiders and Corrupted Sproutfolk can now be Smited.
• Improved Etheldred the Weaver’s spider-summoning so it can’t call in a new brood until the current swarm has been defeated.
• Improved Wazard of Wastes’ responsiveness in combat.
• Removed a few archers from the Fort Kearnhold and Fort Curlail Sieges.
• Updated the Thrown Off Combat Art to provide increased Stagger on thrown attacks instead of a chance to knock enemies down.
• Increased the interaction range on Ode-wall levers so Envoys no longer need to stand unreasonably close to activate them.
• Added minor camera movement improvements when casting Pact Arcanics.
• Updated the name of the Founders’ Sparrow Guides as a small homage to their real-world counterparts and matching bird calls:
  Spotted Warbler -> Snow Bunting
  Beryl Jay -> Midnight Grassquit
  Scarlet Finch -> Spotted Towhee
• Selecting Spirit during the Pact selection in “Rise, Envoy” now plays a Staff sound.
• Made various improvements to dialogue box UI interactions
• Improved the volume and cadence of the “Wake up” line while logging into Soulframe.
• Taking damage while charming a Totem will now exit the music minigame.
• Made improvements to reduce the confusion of the Spectral Sight statue puzzle during The Torment Stag

Fixes

• Fixed The Hollowing preventing Agari Mushroom Circles from spawning.
• Fixed Wyld Pact Smites reducing an Envoy’s damage values.
• Fixed clients not receiving The Cogah debuffs in multiplayer.
• Fixed dying in dungeons during The Cogah not sending Envoys back to the Nightfold correctly.
• Fixed a bug where Agari could be repeatedly respawned through host migration in multiplayer.
• Fixed Wyld Oscelda VFX remaining stuck on other party members in multiplayer.
• Fixed Fable replay UI prompt showing multiplayer warnings even when replaying a Fable solo.
• Fixed Smited enemies sometimes not leaving behind a soul for clients.
• Fixed Smited souls sometimes disappearing for certain enemies.
• Fixed The Voyager Totem displaying an incorrect Stagger value.
• Fixed The Warden Totem not displaying its correct values in the description.
• Fixed the word “Damage” appearing twice in some Totem descriptions.
• Fixed performance issues when opening Zenith’s Wares, reducing loading hitches in some cases.
• Fixed Verminia’s Brewing timer displaying milliseconds instead of whole seconds.
• Fixed Map showing an outdated Dermak Undercity entrance marker.
• Fixed number formatting for Enclave Offerings and added lock icons to clearly indicate Offerings that are not yet accessible.

• Many more fixes I cannot fit into Discord: https://forums.soulframe.com/topic/7684-soulframe-preludes-12-hotfix-8/

[odd swan]

Eyy

[hardy heart]

WYLD ARMOR LOOKS GOOD NOW YES

[brave pecan]

Wyld Thiccren

[clear hearth]

Thanks

[solemn mauve]

i literally just made a joke about wyld amour, cheers for this

[dim sinew]

W for wyld armor but when is faction xp getting addressed 😢

[halcyon ibex]

no no no

when are they letting me marry Orengall

[hardy heart]

Spiders and Corrupted Sproutfolk can now be Smited. Oh hell yeah weaver just got a helluva lot less annoying

[light dew]

armor looks great

[lunar badge]

Okay now do a pass on every armor piece that doesn't look effeminate on female models please. Otherwise it's just representation only for men.

[willow quarry]

[slim scroll]

Updated Wyld Oscelda looks amazing, holy 👀

[unkempt rune]

Wait...right at the top, what's going on with the virtue bonus? Looks like it's contradictory there

[slim scroll]

Wyld pacts get 9 bonus, base pacts get 5

[inland radish]

[wintry igloo]

Noo, my cogah

[slim scroll]

Normal Oscelda was an outlier in that regard

[vocal ocean]

thanks for fixing Wylds!

[unkempt rune]

Oops missed the non wyld part, my bad

[dim wren]

YES YALL FIXED THE wyld pact smites i love yall sm

bless

[orchid herald]

rue is a cat

[slim scroll]

No fix for the missing totems yet, though?

[dusk cave]

Wyld armor still looks too gender neutral

[coarse sluice]

🔥

[tribal basalt]

have you fixed tethren's 1 not working on non-hosts?

[slim scroll]

Must be a helluva hard one to find

[latent basin]

Noooo add more archers to the fort

[coarse sluice]

By the Fires of Mora 🔥

[halcyon atlas]

@dusky bronze how do I get a invite to play

[south heart]

KINO

[pearl rain]

what about fellust?

[pale field]

from some founders foo's or twitchd rops

[vocal venture]

as a melee player, i disagree

[tribal basalt]

first by not tagging a DE staffer which is one of the first rules

[lunar badge]

We turn off @ pings to DE devs, that a nono

[tame furnace]

oh ty for smitable spiders and sproutfolk

[static geode]

still looking through the notes but is this fixing the virtue issue with wylds too?

[humble raft]

still cant replay warsongs. sadness...

[hexed fox]

yes

[deep rover]

good boy

[kindred prawn]

AYYYY wyld pacts are fixed

[wet citrus]

SMITE BUG IS FIXED LET'S GOOOO

[upper tartan]

🔥 🔥 🔥

[woeful gull]

YESSSS WYLD PACTS NOW FIXEDD

[latent basin]

I suck at this game and I wish to know it

[tall bone]

sweet

[upper tartan]

This is hawt

[spice otter]

Nooooo…. I like the androgynous armor…

[static geode]

beefy looking hotfix too

[slim scroll]

Smiteable spiders and smallbois is nice as hell

[charred ingot]

Buff Paragon GS ????

[hallow wadi]

🥳

[potent thicket]

"Fixed a bug where Agari could be repeatedly respawned through host migration in multiplayer."

Was this a bug bug that meant you could respawn forever or does it mean no more sharing?

[sharp hare]

Is there a way to switch genders?

[spice otter]

No

[slim scroll]

A bug, sharing agari is intended behavior iirc

[plucky saddle]

there is… a coffin…

[glad pivot]

[lunar badge]

If they're going to make changes to armor based on feedback saying it needs to fit their definition of gender norms, they need to do that for both genders on ALL armors otherwise it's just representation for a very vocal minority of men

[granite kite]

what about this?

[distant crane]

Amazing changes! Gotta love it

[whole pier]

i like the new armor

[ripe mason]

Pyramid Head

[orchid herald]

Fixed a bug where Agari could be repeatedly respawned through host migration in multiplayer.
does this mean no more boss sharing?

[spice otter]

The armor had tits on male armor. Female armor being gender neutral is fine.

[vital creek]

W update

[distant crane]

Suppa helmet lul

[tame furnace]

oof taking damage exit the minigame now

[limber vigil]

itd be wonderful if we could choose the 'gendered' apperance of armors no matter our body type 💔

[crude plover]

Good afternoon, how can I get a key to play? I'm very excited.

[grim sphinx]

Can i change genders in game or is that permanent

[lunar badge]

What the hell are you on about??

[plucky saddle]

🙂

[slim scroll]

This is how it should be done, like the newer Monster Hunters.

[surreal delta]

when will prelude 13 arrive?

[kindred prawn]

I want the oscelda braids on a dude

[crude plover]

Does anyone who bought this have a key they could give me?

[slim scroll]

Let dudes wear the "feminine" versions of armor, and dudettes wear the "masculine" versions if they want

[kindred prawn]

😭

[plucky saddle]

wanting customization to fit personal expression is a very regular thing to ask

[static geode]

is this gonna be the last hotfix till wf gets old peace? since all hands are probably on that too?

[azure rapids]

No fix for Warsong not being replay able for older accounts? 😭

[strange egret]

At the very least, we should be able to change gender and not have it be a permanent choice, so we can access both versions of the armour

[slim scroll]

Also, please let us remove the wigs from some of the wyld helmets 🙏

[tribal basalt]

even if i did i wouldnt bc begging is mega cringe

[kindred prawn]

Wait can you not repick your gender after playing rise envoy again?

[arctic epoch]

Make male variant looking like a male version is a very good decision when you just changing your armor not your warframe. Cheers.

[lunar badge]

These people used this exact argument to get the armor changed to be more "guy friendly" but now they don't like it when the argument is levied their way.

They're hypocrites.

[humble raft]

youd think theyd add a button to open your character appearance like warframe :<

[slim scroll]

True that.

[glacial granite]

dont you just love fresh content

[plucky saddle]

atp customization in sf is very rudimentary and im sure we’ll approach a point everyone is satisfied within a few preludes

[deep rampart]

You can disagree without being a bully

[void dagger]

Hmm, what about those rare rabbit totems that disappear after you get them?

[hearty blaze]

WAAAAAAAAH WAAAAAH

[plucky saddle]

🤝

[spice otter]

Because there’s a difference between androgynous armor and putting breasts on the male armor. I love the androgynous armor.

[scarlet loom]

If you have ever seen women wearing armor at a medieval or renaissance festival in real life, it generally looks androgynous or extremely similar to how it looks when a man wears it.

Noticeable breasts on armor is more of an exotic/fantasy creative choice, not the norm.

[harsh glacier]

Ah, the new male Wyld Tethren model bugs out when you sprint. On my characters back the right shoulder part stretches D:

[lunar badge]

Yes, you are acting like a child, thank you for noticing.

[strange egret]

It doesn't feel great to have the founder pack armour differ in appearance based on a choice many of us made a considerable amount of time ago, but I assume this is coming in a future update so will wait for it

[red lantern]

you just wait, when they add Heirloom titties to Soulframe 😄 - then this whole discussion gets next level

[surreal delta]

make x&y versions of the armor ez do it like mhwilds ezpz

[calm flint]

The indifference in soulframe confirmed

[eternal pagoda]

How am i a bully exactly?

[lunar badge]

There's space Wizards and magic talking animals, hush.

Nobody cares about realism here.

[stoic ore]

Love to see the changes to oscelda armor! ❤️

[wheat shard]

I'll shoot u one, dm me

[dusky elbow]

[spice otter]

Exactly. Armor shouldn’t be gendered by default.

[copper hare]

they patched out my boobs 🙁

[covert drum]

Great changes

[hearty blaze]

“How do I whine about a nothing burger???? Hmmm”

[lunar sky]

i do think i agree with what someone else said, that being customization is very new and basic and we will likely be happy with it when it's out of preludes

[red lantern]

😄

[tribal basalt]

"my fantasy game should have realistic armour"

[slim scroll]

The Oscelda and Tethren armor changes look good on their own merit, the pre-existing armor looked good too and it'd be a pity to have that gender-locked

[spice otter]

Also I don’t like it when games over sexualizes female armor

[violet gate]

19 is really late to get your third ability based on leveling speed, or am I misreading this?

[kindred prawn]

Can someone answer if our gender is permanently locked in after rise envoy? Will replaying it not give you the option to change it?

[dry sparrow]

Can I replay the mission to change appearance? or is that locked

[humble raft]

if it is gendered and we have the option to use either or its a win win :)

[deep rampart]

Calling someone annoying because they say something you don’t like is bully behavior

[static geode]

eh i bet they'll probably allow both variants of armor in the future, right now i rather them focus on other things than keep focusing on armor appearences

[spice otter]

Currently it’s locked

[harsh glacier]

Honestly I prefer the new Tethren chest way more than the other one

[tribal basalt]

dont forget calling them dumb too

[lunar badge]

annoying and dumb was the exact wording

[kindred prawn]

https://tenor.com/view/bye-disappointed-imdone-done-leaving-gif-5408013

[trail moss]

Increased Wyld Tethren Courage bonus from 5 to 9 to match Wyld Oscelda.
Increased Wyld Sirin Grace bonus from 5 to 9 to match Wyld Oscelda.
Reduced Oscelda’s starting Spirit bonus from 9 to 5 to match other starting Pacts.

so, what happened here?

[whole falcon]

Removed a few archers from the Fort Kearnhold and Fort Curlail Sieges. - The sieges are already easy enough, they are fun but don't feel like sieges... I would add more ennemies.

[midnight zephyr]

Oh nice they added Demogorgons

Finally

[slim scroll]

Fair, IMO it does look a bit better too but doesn't mean the old one was necessarily bad per se

[topaz bison]

combat arts are not pact abilities. It's skill points

[static geode]

s5 crossover going hard

[violet gate]

Is this saying you dont get your third ability on a pact until 19 now?

[lunar sky]

so hostile for no reason, chill out, man

[violet gate]

Ohh okay sorry thanks

[wise dove]

Can we get an appearance upgrade on the hand of Mora pact it’s kinda frumpy with just being a sack with chain wrapped around it?

[harsh glacier]

Yeah it wasn't bad, it really wasn't my thing though, personally

[hearty blaze]

Have you tried not being either of those things?

[scarlet loom]

Fantasy doesn't mean you can't have anything be realistic.

Should we replace rivers of water with rivers of orange juice because rivers of water are too realistic?

[deep rampart]

I joined the military at 17, I don’t need to be a jerk on the Internet to prove I’m tough

[lunar badge]

No, it's saying ability points

[eternal pagoda]

How am i hostile what xD have to be rage baiting

[violet gate]

I understand now, thanks

[whole pier]

https://tenor.com/view/thriller-michael-jackson-eating-popcorn-watching-gif-5577709

[glacial granite]

can get stuck on "use pact magicks" @dusky bronze

[lunar badge]

If the devs want to, sure. It ain't your game.

[arctic epoch]

If I play a guy version I don’t want no boob on my armor.

[chrome pawn]

sounds like your balls are stuck inside your ass, sir

[strange egret]

It is permanently locked, but it seems fair to assume that in the future there will be a way to change it as we don't have the improved character creator that we've seen pieces of

[surreal delta]

buff tethren pls

[scarlet loom]

I could say the same thing about your original suggestion, smarty.

[lunar badge]

If I play a female version I want all the boob on my armor.

We should BOTH get what we want.

[slim scroll]

I believe people are starting to confuse "realism" with "authenticity" or "aesthetic cohesion" 😅

[odd linden]

it would be better if you fixed your mistake with the ubiquitous fences that prevent you from running around the world. I have 70% of the gameplay with the W key held down - it's already broken

[surreal delta]

its too weak rn

[violet gate]

I’m sad for the lack of representation for players that want to play as amorphous blobs with no discernible features :/

[arctic epoch]

Couldn’t agree more

[kindred prawn]

Blows chunks

[potent thicket]

buffs to wylds

[kindred prawn]

Ty

[harsh glacier]

And the option to swap between both whatever gender your character is because more options is always better

[spice otter]

Base pacts are supposed to be +5. Wyld pacts are supposed to be +9. This was fixing that

[wraith kestrel]

whoa the wyld armor looks sick now

[raven relic]

Hey, check in the soulframe-news you need to link twitch acc. and watch any soulframe stream in soulframe directory on twitch for 30 min. you got time till 8/12

[deep rampart]

Sounds like you didn’t get enough love growing up

[trail moss]

ah, got it base vs wyld thanks

[ember crater]

Do I really have to replay mission start to chance appearance??

[maiden flower]

Removed a few archers from the Fort Kearnhold and Fort Curlail Sieges

thx god

[humble raft]

scantiliy clad men in effiminate little clothes? yes pls...

[static geode]

further character customization will come guys, more important things to worry about tbh

[strange egret]

Yeah, not a fan personally. We had account wipes in previous preludes, so it's a bit weird that this one choice of gender ended up being permanent and having a pretty major impact, but I can't seriously imagine they won't address this in the future.

[glacial granite]

hahahahaha

[violet gate]

fortuna out?

[inner pilot]

priority would be the PAID founders packs armors, in the future they may add defferent models for the same armor to accomodade everyone

[slim scroll]

I believe DE has said before they're planning to fix that specific bit, iirc

[trail moss]

thanks I just kept reading the same words and thought I was going insane

[harsh glacier]

I have noticed the new male wylds tethren chest does bug out and stretch when sprinting though ;-;

[nocturne igloo]

so what's the difference with the "wyld" stuff?

[kindred prawn]

Especially when it comes to how much better the female wyld armor is aesthetically than the male armor

[deep rampart]

I wish you got more options rather than a binary of male and female for your body type

[rugged jackal]

[strange egret]

I don't know, now that they are selling founder packs for a fairly hefty price, I think letting players swap between the two gendered versions of the armour should be a priority

[chrome pawn]

9

[wheat shard]

When do we get a Primed Floppet?

[glacial granite]

ok i logged out and back in and im still stuck at "Use Pact Magicks"

[slim scroll]

Mildly better stats, stacking skillpoints with the original versions

[vocal ocean]

we all know the Chr creator is bad and will certainly change one day... you need a flashlight to see the moms features rn, I believe they will fix

[slim scroll]

They're the Warframe Primes of this game

[nocturne igloo]

ok ty

[violet gate]

Been waiting for a primed floppet for 17 years now

[potent thicket]

they have a character customization patch expected this month IIRC, perhaps they will allow gender swapping as part of it

[strange egret]

Yeah, I'd be fine with a janky solution, like a tree you click on in the Nightfold to swap gender, or something, as a temporary solution

[strange egret]

I hope so

[deep rampart]

Or at least an option for non-gendered pronouns

[humble raft]

being called an it is inclusive :3

[wise dove]

How bout a brewed potion?

[lunar sky]

happy with a lot of these fixes :] thank u DE !!!!

[slim scroll]

...That actually has me thinking, is there even a time in this game where we as the envoy are really referred to with gender-dependent verbage?

[glacial granite]

wait i actually softlocked myself from the game

[eternal pagoda]

💀

[strange egret]

Much better idea

[oak heart]

I think the issue with the Wyld armors were that they were primarily catered towards an effeminate build, and it did look off for the male models. I think with the vanilla armors it's fine unchanged because they're more gender neutral or slated to work for both. I'm not even sure how else you would change sets like Mendicant King's to be more 'effeminate' or the Mockery set; I think they're fine as is imo. Maybe going forward select armors could be gendered, but I doubt all would have the same case.

[kindred prawn]

Popping the progesterone at Verms rq

[deep rampart]

Some people like being called it, however, just being called the envoy would also work

[static geode]

just do a makeover mage from runescape style ancestor 🤣

[static light]

Is thre still no fix for Warsongs not being replayable or did I miss it?

[slim scroll]

Ah, the Terraria route

Wouldn't be the worst tbh

[sacred tiger]

Faction grind improvements?

[surreal delta]

BUFF TETHREN PLS

[orchid herald]

is there any fix for some totems not being obtainable? (ie the GS beaver)

[lunar sky]

3 months on t with verminia

[lilac inlet]

IS THE PULL SMIT BUG FIXED?!

[prime tiger]

OMG my oscelda armour sett lucks amesing on now i love it.

[vocal ocean]

if the Oscelda helm didn't have a giant curl on top, I might glam it. But I agree its all too silky robe-y (but I am not bothered if others enjoy that, there will be stuff later)

[lunar sky]

you're playing a woke game man

[violet tapir]

[surreal delta]

no

[outer hawk]

4 weeks on E with verminia

[lunar badge]

Bromius makes women look like a man with a beer belly, Jotars set does the same.

There's changes that can be made.

Hell, even with Mendicant, make the hourglass shape more pronounced and add a chest bulge to indicate boobs.

It's not that hard.

[dark rune]

Verminia is our hormone plug

[plucky saddle]

do you know where you are

[fair fulcrum]

Wait yeah so are the other 2 at 9 now? And oscelda at 5? Wtf

[deep rampart]

I I believe there are a couple of Avakot lines and a memory that refers to you as a son or daughter

[lilac inlet]

you gotta be kidding me

[violet tapir]

🏳️‍🌈

[hearty blaze]

Yeah! Because it’s a bear!

[stuck cliff]

I... Wish I chose a make character

[hearty blaze]

😭😭

[kindred prawn]

The door is right there lil bro

Dw about it

We woke here

[hearty blaze]

My steak is too buttery

[lunar sky]

my lobster too juicy

[hearty blaze]

I love fat chicks!!!! My angels

[tender marsh]

the people who made space king would not fw you

[outer hawk]

My Envoy is too woke /pos

[eternal pagoda]

Better to enjoy the game without interacting with the community

[trail moss]

starter vs prime/wyld

[slim scroll]

Huh, I honestly forgot since it's been so long. Then yeah, I agree for a third option being added

[lunar sky]

the game is woke, man.

[kindred prawn]

Later!

[deep rampart]

Cry harder, snowflake ❄️

[kindred prawn]

Bye baby boy!!!

[wheat shard]

A lot of these suggestions are awfully nitpicky, I care more for actual productivity in terms of the actual gameplay and mechanics

[void plume]

Don't mind boob or flat chest but ROBE'S NOT LONG ENOUGH! Female one reaches the floor:(

[eternal pagoda]

Why be so hostile for no reason :(

[hearty blaze]

You’re dumb

[lunar badge]

People complaining about "woke audiences" in a DE game should not be taken seriously.

They added a birth mini game to Warframe, we have Autistic representation in Rell...

DE is the definition of woke.

[spice otter]

Slightly higher stats.

[wraith kestrel]

that's not nice, come on be better

[lunar sky]

idk how people play the game about stopping colonialism and pollution from occupying forces and act like it's not a woke ass game 😭

[tidal ibex]

@dusky bronze sorry to bother but is this a mistake? If the other pacts are now 9 why would Oscelda be reduced?

[dark rune]

We are harnessing the power of fae creatures to fight off expansionist extraterrestrial invaders. Where are you?

[hearty blaze]

I was unfamiliar with your game and I apologize for being toxic

[lunar badge]

I said the same thing about making the armor changed originally but here we are.

Lol

[outer hawk]

Real, do we not remember doomed old man yaoi quest from WF?

[plucky saddle]

complaining about a “woke audience” is a pretty good way to characterize yourself without anyone needing to interact with you

[spice otter]

Base oacelda, not Wyld

[lime pike]

it's for normal oscelda, not wyld

[eternal pagoda]

In alca!

[kindred prawn]

Youre playing a fairy game yet dont really like fairies, how curious

[surreal delta]

cooler hand tbh

[orchid herald]

NORMAL oscelda not wyld

[tidal ibex]

Ahhh that explains it. I see.

Sorry folks ^_^ Thanks for the explanation!

[fair fulcrum]

Only the oscelda starter pact was lowered, not wyld

[slim scroll]

So if Warframe is Wokeframe what are we calling Woke Soulframe?

[wispy gale]

read

[kindred prawn]

Being anti woke in the big 25 shows what you are lil man

[wraith kestrel]

yet we have capitalism camel, curious (/sarcasm)

[harsh glacier]

Look how badly it now stretches when walking ;-;

[eager viper]

Yeah it was just that base oscelda had higher stats than the others

[lunar sky]

excited for the new update.....

[deep rampart]

Thank you for the indicator lol

[eternal pagoda]

😢

[orchid herald]

soulframe

its already woke

[plucky saddle]

you are not garnering any sympathy. look inward. good bye.

[spice otter]

CMV the best female Wyld is the sirin

[surreal delta]

small handt big body

[hexed cradle]

Thank y'all so much, amazing patch!

[wheat shard]

yea its kinda funny.

[slim scroll]

Aye, I'll drink to that

[eternal pagoda]

😢

[spice otter]

Oh did they fix the “eyes stretching out of your head when blocking or heavy attacking bug”?

[lunar sky]

the WHAT?

[cunning aspen]

whoever changed the birdcalls i adore you

[violet tapir]

I'm honestly curious how you thought calling the community "woke" with a baby emoji was going to end if not like this?

[dark rune]

The what???

[harsh glacier]

Jesus christ people actually use the word "woke" seriously? -_-

[eternal pagoda]

Idk i dont care, its fun to watch how people react, i used the emoji randomly with no intent behind it

[wooden widget]

Nice now armors looks better but what about character creation? 🙂

[violet tapir]

WOKE CULTURE ASS-WAGONS (okay that's a reference to a totally different community but if anyone gets it, they will thoroughly appreciate it)

[kindred prawn]

“It’s fun to watch how people react” okay chud 🫵

[surreal delta]

new enemy carpet

[harsh glacier]

What the hell is that 😂

[long zodiac]

thats the new hardmode

[dark rune]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-magic-aladdin-magic-carpet-gif-14832196

[lunar sky]

let us havd enemy carpets

[slim scroll]

People will really come from the last game DE made where (WF spoilers) ||Indifference is literally the main villain|| and call Soulframe "woke"

[quasi shell]

I get the sense some of us are patrolling these comments looking for things to be upset about. Happy for the fixes as always, DE! Onward we go!

[eternal pagoda]

Ok 🤩

[dark rune]

Incredible truth bomb just hit the channel

[dawn ermine]

Neat

[eternal pagoda]

[spice otter]

My eyes and brain stretching out of my head when I heavy attack

[wheat shard]

bro out here doxxing me, not cool

[dawn ermine]

Does that mean more upgrade points?

[dark rune]

That’s horrifying

[hearty blaze]

Heheheh

[surreal delta]

no

[harsh glacier]

Beautiful haha

[spice otter]

Restarting fixes it

But still

[ebon walrus]

this is so cute

[dark rune]

I probably just haven’t noticed it

[tidal ibex]

Man, the most discussed bug (didn't stop us from playing but was the most noticeable) was the trees and grass going all wonky when in someone elses instance. If they fixed it in this patch (full notes) that will be AWESOME. GREAT JOB DE :D

[spice otter]

Also holding aim with a bow triggers the bug too

[slim scroll]

Holyyy, the amount of life points now with max level Wyld Tethren- I don't even have a single point into the skill tree HP increases/sympathy.

[vital creek]

i would recommend a doctor, envoy

[dawn ermine]

Alright pocoyo

[dark rune]

Well, holy shit

[dawn ermine]

Niceeee

[dark rune]

Seek the healing of the druids

[wraith kestrel]

sadly yes 😐

[harsh glacier]

'Tis sad indeed :/

[wraith kestrel]

the world needs more kindness and acceptance ... not ...whatever the hell the other thing is

[slim scroll]

Find an Oscelda player and fast, pff

[wise dove]

So did they fix the bird strike animation yet? That perpetual bird strike on dead Algai was nightmare inducing

[dark rune]

That would be me

[surreal delta]

still not enough, we need tethren buffs bigger hand pls (for the wylds one)

[slim scroll]

Thank you for your service

[wheat shard]

tethren is already too strong

xD

[slim scroll]

Replace Tethren 1 with a big slappy hand

[wheat shard]

I say this as a tethren player

[wraith kestrel]

buff tethren, I want to 1 shot everything plz

[harsh glacier]

Yup :/

[dark rune]

https://tenor.com/view/i-got-you-cyberpunk2077-i-gotchu-come-with-me-we-got-this-gif-26927689

[wheat shard]

bromius is crazy too, love just nuking an entire group

[surreal delta]

not too big, medium sized would be gr8

[harsh glacier]

I wonder if we'll ever get the ability to atleast colour our pact arms

[dark rune]

You can almost instantly kill the mendicant king with it already

[slim scroll]

Oh yeah, in terms of things I want to see in future hotfixes-
Still need those missing totems fixed, plus FSR4.

[sharp dune]

how do i report a bug?

[surreal delta]

almost = not enough

[wraith kestrel]

I crave the buffs

[dark rune]

I nuked him with Estelle

[wheat shard]

Bestitching pact arms NEEDs to be a thing, or just coloring yea.

[sharp dune]

i am currently kinda softlocked in the game

[ashen shard]

-1 I MISS MY BUSTY TETHREN BOOBA BOI

[wraith kestrel]

There's a bug tracking channel on discord

[dark rune]

https://tenor.com/view/stunned-cartoon-network-bubbles-with-her-mouth-watering-bubbles-mouth-watering-gif-2861835400920165057

[surreal delta]

DE plz make the wyld tethren hand a bit chonkier plspsls

[dark rune]

Please

[sharp dune]

can you tag it?

[wheat shard]

2 swings and he is dead with purity greatsword

[slim scroll]

Fair tbh

[low crescent]

8 patches in 9 days

[wraith kestrel]

https://discord.com/channels/998758139405029478/1438224825113120788

[glacial granite]

IM FREEE

[lilac inlet]

and still waiting for pull smite fix

..

[low crescent]

oh no 🙁

[radiant dust]

Unfucking Orengall next patch or?

[lilac inlet]

unfucking pull smite ever?

[surreal delta]

buffing tethren when?

[dark rune]

There’s only so much they can do at a time. Keep in mind how early in development the game is.

The changes will come

We all opted in to play a game that is actively being built

[surreal delta]

fair

[dark rune]

These updates are called preludes for Christ sake

[low crescent]

im confused. is the update already there or not yet?

[lilac inlet]

prelude to the pull smite fix

#93

[low crescent]

so the event about the cardinals it's what coming soon?

[dark rune]

It would appear so

[night crane]

Did they fix faction exp being too low even in Northern areas or sometimes not even counting to the player?

[glacial granite]

cruel Ode... they killed me as a small minnow...

[dark rune]

The patch notes are available to everyone

[random quartz]

Now fix the stealth rune breaking the game lol

[merry flame]

There's a soldier stucked and bugged in the Dermark undercity

[dreamy yoke]

"Updated the Thrown Off Combat Art to provide increased Stagger on thrown attacks instead of a chance to knock enemies down." This change is really bad, please revert it

[dark rune]

Put this in #1438224662344761345

[merry flame]

that one will get fixed?

is like a blue dot on the map

[dark rune]

Better yet check to see if someone else has already suggested it

[sullen bay]

archers was ok in forts imo

[night crane]

I had it happening once with me

[formal osprey]

"Fixed a bug where Agari could be repeatedly respawned through host migration in multiplayer." So does that mean we can no longer do Shares?

[glacial granite]

No, you could respawn them using a glitch

You can still share just fine

[formal osprey]

0-0 oh okay

[lyric jewel]

I thought the notes said they did that. Did it not work?

[glacial granite]

Repeatedly as in bypassing cooldown

[placid plank]

an hour ago one respawned randomly on me and my buddy... out of the blue. no host migration or anything.

[glacial granite]

Was it knell knight

There's a seperate bug with him

[summer vale]

Holy shit. The make armor looks amazing!

[lilac inlet]

Nah you're right, I just didn't read the extended patch notes

[granite karma]

Female Oscelda now has a gap on the back at the waist where the top and bottom half connect. Anyone else seeing this?

[slim scroll]

I wish they'd make it so that releasing a totem didn't reset the position of the menu.

[placid plank]

Nope. it was wraith

[slim scroll]

Having to scroll all the way back down to the bottom of the list with "compatible" turned off is a bit obnoxious

[lilac inlet]

I've seen a similar issue myself, but that was before this patch

[sleek breach]

did they fix the issue of certain totems not showing up in inventory after getting them?

[slim scroll]

Or heck, let us release runes/totems directly from the inventory.

[bold cedar]

I strongly prefer realistic armor for femme models instead of oversexualized fan service women’s “armor.” I’m not interested in bikini mail here.

I like the way the femme armors look. I also think the new masc armors look cool. And I’m happy for folks to have cool looking visuals.

[lunar badge]

That's fine, you're not the only person playing the game and as someone who finds the especially effeminate armor like the founders for female body types endearing and my favorite in the game, I want MORE of that on all the armor sets.

[lilac inlet]

I just don't wear plate armor, chew on that!

[deep rampart]

You can do effeminate without making it necessarily sexual

[kindred prawn]

I was thinking it was more elegant than anything else

[lunar badge]

I never advocated for sexual, either, that's true.

That's the conclusion they jumped to.

[kindred prawn]

Especially when the Tulvakane set exists 💀😭

[deep rampart]

It says a lot more about their view of femininity than anything

[lilac inlet]

what've I missed

[kindred prawn]

Also why are we so hell bent on realism all of a sudden

I cast magic that makes people blow up if I hit them 3 times

Armor can have a little bit of boob it’s pretty

[lunar badge]

We have space wizard aliens and talking magical animals

Realism has no place in this discussion. Period.

[granite karma]

more realism please, my character should get tired if I play too much

[lunar badge]

It's about aesthetic cohesion

[kindred prawn]

Like I know I was making the argument the other game about the genre of the game but like

At the end of the day that doesn’t matter because you are literally using magic

[harsh glacier]

You're meaning to tell me that magical talking animals do NOT exist?!

[kindred prawn]

It’s fictional

[lunar badge]

And nothing about female fitted armor that's meant to look effeminate is aesthetically inconsistent

[lilac inlet]

When I turn a crowd of enemies into rock that's fine, but if my armor is too feminine that's too far..

[slim scroll]

Let both the feminine and changed versions exist for both genders with a swap similar to the one for open/closed helmets, ez as

[kindred prawn]

I turn into a big ass wolf and scream really loud and summon ghost wolves

[slim scroll]

I cover my throwing knives in roots and this causes them to do enough damage to kill god

[kindred prawn]

CAN YOU USE FELLUST ON YOUR FISTS

[lunar badge]

I KNOW WHERE IVE HEARD THIS ARGUMENT BEFORE- ITS THE WARHAMMER CHUDS

[slim scroll]

...WAIT

YOU'RE COOKING

[kindred prawn]

I wrap my hands in rose bushes and beat the brakes off of an undead king

[slim scroll]

brb

[deep rampart]

I think having some more options to customize your character including body type, pronouns (that aren’t attached to your body type), and the ability to make changes in the dreamfold would go a long way

[lilac inlet]

I know it works on sidearms.. seems like it would work

[glacial granite]

Pronouns

[deep rampart]

Do you have a problem with pronouns?

[kindred prawn]

I WILL DIE FOR THE SORORITAS

[lunar badge]

I think pronouns are a stretch, not because I wouldn't like to see them, but because they've already made a concerted effect to make envoy enby so it requires less VA work

[lilac inlet]

no offense, but why do I need pronouns in my nature crusade

can I not just beat up capitalists n shit

[little basin]

Any chance we could have a re-do ability for the intro so we can change our Envoy appearance?

[kindred prawn]

Honestly my pronouns are envoy/gruul

[deep rampart]

Maybe I’m mistaken, but I thought there were a couple of lines that were needlessly gendered

[lunar badge]

I personally don't remember any, but I'm not saying you're wrong either

[raven dagger]

When will orengall wolves be buffed O_O

[small parrot]

Oh those armor updates look nice.

[kindred prawn]

I don’t remember any either but yeah I could forget

[slim scroll]

IT WORKS.

[lilac inlet]

When will my account be buffed 🌞

[kindred prawn]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA STOP

[glacial granite]

Needlessly gendered?

[slim scroll]

Though, the max you can do seems to be 150-200.

[lunar badge]

I can play as a pugilist????

[kindred prawn]

Running around the low level areas beating the absolute brakes off of these tin cans

[lilac inlet]

I thought it might lol

gonna see if my friend knows about this

[deep rampart]

That would be so sick with the orengall arm

[harsh glacier]

I can't lie, this huge health buff to all Pacts has made me feel extremely tanky now xD

[slim scroll]

Jack Garland playthrough

[glacial granite]

The Ode can catch these hands!

[lilac inlet]

what's the difference at rank 30 hp wise?

[glacial granite]

I have 710 HP on wyld tethren

[harsh glacier]

If I'm remembering correctly my Tethren had 370 hp with 1 point in everbound, now it has 530

[glacial granite]

That's 60 pact points

[lilac inlet]

holy cow

ima log in rq

[glacial granite]

With everbound maxed

[lilac inlet]

gotta know

[slim scroll]

Last I checked, 360HP before and 560 after

[glacial granite]

We can finally tank stuff now

[lilac inlet]

I was already practically indestructible before

[glacial granite]

Tho mora's hand needs this more than most pacts

[wooden tapir]

Is anyone having issues with the avakot merchant not being able to aquire the items? Even if you are spending the gold

[quartz nimbus]

“Added minor camera movement when casting arcanics” YESS THANK YOU!! Idk what it looks like but I missed them!

[glacial granite]

Nope, they need to remove them alltogether

We still get damaged while casting

[lilac inlet]

I'm grateful for the extra health even though I wasn't pressed for it

[glacial granite]

Find a solution for that first then lock us in animation

[harsh glacier]

I found myself taking a ton of damage from a lot of enemies, so the hp buff is appreciated x)

[lilac inlet]

checked wevetseed..

no wevetseed

[stiff widget]

wrong game

[graceful otter]

you are banding around words and phrasing like 'minority' and 'these people' without being one of the 'minority' or 'these people'. As a 'minority male' , I welcome the fact my char doesn't have mammary glands on my armour,. I agree there should be customization, so that if some 'non minority' males want breasts , they should be able to. And if some 'non minority' females don't want breasts, they can too. Just please, stick to constructive comments and leave the labeling for Reddit or Piers Morgan. Thankyou.

[lilac inlet]

Question for anybody that read the patch notes thoroughly,

Do enemies still leave behind a big hitbox when they die

(that blocks projectiles)

[glacial granite]

They said they fixed the light puzzle

Unfortunately you'll have to test it

[lilac inlet]

the slugs still seem to at least

might be intentional idk

[glacial granite]

Slugs?

[lilac inlet]

sludge slime monsters

whatever they're called

mud pies

[dark rune]

That’s a really good nickname

[glacial granite]

Is this for the dermak light puzzle

What projectile do u mean

[dark rune]

We aren’t talking about that at all

[orchid herald]

its still true and you know it

[lilac inlet]

I'm talking our projectiles

the magic blasts and whatnot

the sludge beings still block your shots after death

might be intended I don't know but that's what I meant

[glacial granite]

Ah i think that still happens but are u shooting through it or above it

[lunar badge]

I called you a "vocal minority" not a minority group for being a man.

I'm saying that the group of people complaining about it have been a minority compared to the rest of the playerbase, and none of them have been women.

Don't preach to me about Piers Morgan talk when you parse words about as well as he does.

[lilac inlet]

I hope it sticks

[dark rune]

I’m 100% going to use it yes

[dark rune]

Would the waste areas be mud puddles

[bold cedar]

I’m definitely not the only person playing the game, but neither are you. Asking them to change all the armors for the femme models just because they improvised the masc models, when you’re aware that some people using the femme models like them the way they are is pretty selfish.

[lilac inlet]

I'd describe it as more of a pigsty

"the mud pies in the pigsty"

[lunar badge]

And I would say the same thing about the men who asked them to change the masc models when other men liked them the way they are.

It's a bad argument

Lol

Pot, meet kettle

[glacial granite]

This isn't the place for this at all

[dark rune]

I’m almost out of popcorn

[round basalt]

I'm going to tell you right now there is no point in arguing with Lillie, just about all they do is go into every comment section and argue

[lilac inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/kenan-thompson-snl-saturday-night-live-popcoen-eating-gif-9124936932575340694

[cunning mortar]

noooo! my buggy vegetation is fixed!!!

[dire bone]

Is it me or after the latest patch I started to experience screen tearing?

[lilac inlet]

Vsync :)

[dark rune]

I think the bottom line is that the customization will undoubtedly improve as updates come out. Individual opinion should be put in the feedback channel or something like that.

People are arguing on both sides of this because it is important to them and I think we should respect it

It’s a game, we are here to save animals, kick sludge ass, and look cool while doing it

[lilac inlet]

I think the bottom line is the sludge slimes should be called mud pies

[cunning mortar]

they fixed the vegetation AND reduced the torrent arrow rune SFX D; how dare they

[slim scroll]

Does Vsync still cause input lag?

[graceful otter]

nah I only commented because i felt discriminated against, for being a vocal minority male

[cunning mortar]

I'm so used to the excessive torrent arrow SFX that now it sounds like I'm barely shooting anything

[quasi pilot]

"Fixed clients not receiving The Cogah debuffs in multiplayer.,"

Yet they DIDNT fix the fact that necklaces do literally nothing or the fact that totems do NOT work in multiplayer unlesss your the host....

[graceful otter]

lesson learnt, keep quiet

[lilac inlet]

It shouldn't be noticable

[slim scroll]

Hmmm, icic
I'm used to most implementations of Vsync being terrible in that regard

It's why I generally just lock my frames to my monitors'

[lilac inlet]

Yeah that's reasonable

I'd give Vsync a shot and see if it solves it for you

[dark rune]

On the contrary, use the feedback channel. Rather than directly engaging in potentially adding fuel to a fire. I don’t mean to suggest you or anyone else did anything wrong, it’s just a difference of opinion. But I think a better use of our time would be to see what other people have said an issue your own post about it, rather than clouding this one

In general, we should all be using better language anyways

[round basalt]

Nah, never be quiet. Speak up

[dark rune]

The hell am I doing here? I’m not a police officer

[lunar badge]

Y'all just don't like me because I don't acquiesce when you make bad points and don't support them

[dark rune]

Everybody get along

[lunar badge]

Or use bad logic.

[round basalt]

Yeah that's your opinion and a lot of us think is bad logic . And that's all you do most of the time and I'm not the only one that has said something

[lunar sky]

have joy in your hearts

[lilac inlet]

Yeah but I mean we don't have to argue all the time

[dark rune]

Oh dear

[slim scroll]

AMD Freesync/the Nvidia equivalent for their respective apps can work well in that regard to boot

[lunar badge]

But that's fine, I get it's much easier to attack a scarecrow with my face drawn on it than any of my actual points

[dark rune]

https://tenor.com/view/book-of-boba-fett-the-mandalorian-this-is-the-way-the-book-of-boba-fett-mandalorian-gif-24825263

[kindred panther]

Also they should let us craft both male and female armor sets regardless of our MC's gender. Let us mix and match gender armor parts.

[lunar sky]

love and PEACE !

[lunar badge]

Facts

[slim scroll]

Ok, yeah, turning on Freesync entirely fixed my screen tearing issues

[dark rune]

A second truth nuke has hit the chat

[graceful otter]

look at that, i just remembered I can mute this post 🙂

[dark rune]

The power in one’s hands

[lilac inlet]

yippee

[lunar sky]

yayy!!! good job!!

i need to grind out all the new stuff before the next update

[lilac inlet]

keyboard warriors when you don't argue with them

[dark rune]

I’m so far behind

One max pact, like 3 weapons

[lilac inlet]

(I'm keyboard warriors)

[dark rune]

Account level 7 or something

[dire bone]

idk I didn't seem like it was needed before
Maybe it's just me

But I definitely started noticing more tears

[lunar sky]

i havw like Two pacts but it's mainly bc me and my bf havw to play on the same pc and he is a total soulframe nut

[slim scroll]

I've maxed out all but two of the normal pacts and ode tempest 😅

[lilac inlet]

My peepers may not be as keen as they used to be, but I haven't noticed anything yet

[slim scroll]

Plus a good few weapons, account level 14

[dark rune]

Sabotage him (don’t do that)

[lilac inlet]

dew it

[dark rune]

https://tenor.com/view/just-do-it-shia-lebouf-gif-8743702

[wheat shard]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-thumbs-up-cat-thumbs-up-meme-stock-image-gif-27117830

[lilac inlet]

I was going for palpetine but that works

[dark rune]

I had that gif on quickdraw but I was also thinking palpatine

[oak meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/palpatine-star-wars-do-it-dew-it-meme-gif-4745443509998127535

[minor blade]

Stag not appearing on 3* faction tales

[wheat shard]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/902609126734061612/987832436081705010/image0257876543345678.gif

[deep rampart]

It might be easier to just let us change parts of our characters body in the dreamfold, like height, weight, muscularity, and sex

[wanton lantern]

Maybe I missed it, but have they fixed the weapon damage bug? Sorry if i missed it.

[lilac inlet]

Yes

[patent ferry]

woof

[wanton lantern]

Beautiful. I love it

[vocal elbow]

Pawg

[regal rover]

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[round surge]

Did they fix the armor drop rates for low star sparrow tales or nah

[strong zephyr]

Why did they give the armor abs 😭

[round basalt]

They go to the gym

[steel rain]

Is the endless tile rare or something? Ive done like 6 of the andurin dungeon but never get it

Oops wrong chat

[long cloak]

So…not yet at pc, are pacts working as intended in multiplayer now?

[atomic kestrel]

You are saying non sense those 3 skin are FOUNDER SKIN that you need to pay for. Making them for both gender is just fair you are wack

or ragebaiting

[hollow thistle]

pls make a countdown or something for the wolf form 🙁

[strong zephyr]

I preferred the mens green one before the change :/
Thought only the top half of the chest was gonna be changed not the whole thing, the abs are a downer

[atomic kestrel]

I mean they just make it look like a male abs

[glacial granite]

i dont think im supposed to be in this cutscene 👀

[glossy pine]

Do we have a general idea of when the Thawtide update might be expected?

[strong zephyr]

It completely changes the vibes of the outfit :/ my magic user doesnt go to the gym XD
And not every male character needs armor with abs chiseled into them

[round basalt]

i dunno, if you are running around through the forests, climbing mountains, fighting all the time and dodging you are more than likely gonna be in serious shape and crazy fit.

[strong zephyr]

Not chiseled abs fit

[lilac inlet]

I'm sure they'll release a Grendel for you to play at some point

[lunar sky]

YEAHHHH GRENDEL ARMOR

[wraith kestrel]

I want duck armor, just makes me look like a duck

[strong zephyr]

Varying body types would be awesome

[lilac inlet]

Some lemonade, sire?

[lunar sky]

actually, maybe some armor based around seals/selkies could be fun.... blubber..... now i wanna draw that

selkie pact......

[chilly barn]

Does anyone know how to replay the first fable they mentioned?

[simple zenith]

Go to the old man in nightfold for codex and fables

[chilly barn]

Excellent, thank you

[round surge]

Nah this is peak, i can run around like an average rhino main flexing and using one word answers to questions

[solemn mauve]

Ah my wyld Tethren still looks like a female in armour even tho my character is male

Proportions look a bit better I suppose

[waxen moth]

Orengall qol/buff next patch

[mystic ravine]

I love the oscelda armor change (it looked weirdly stretched before, odd proportions, and didn't even have the all important robe-tail that the female one had). I wasn't planning on using the tethren armor, but it looks much improved in similar ways so I'm sure the people who wanted to use it are mostly happy.

I saw some complaints further up the thread about Bromius armor not being feminine enough, which is wild. It's thick tank armor. Not my style, but it's gonna be a niche love for some guys, gals, and non-binary pals. We already have more slender feminine and masculine armor. Why would anyone deny that for others who like that style?

[glacial granite]

He didn't ask for a code

Just tell him to watch a stream

[candid haven]

Fixed it

Via crop ha

[stiff widget]

@simple zenith pretty sure you can just open your journal without going to the nightfold

[candid haven]

Aside, thank you DE for the armor fashion changes! Much appreciated!

[valid jay]

I agree I would like a male version but I wouldn't like that to come at the expense of others

[winter mirage]

Really hoping my fashion with the wyld oscelda male torso didnt change to much...the chest wasnt perfect but I didnt mind the look and now I worry...at least I have screenshots of it prior to change to reminisce on🥲

[strong zephyr]

I should have taken screenshots before the change but I didnt 😩

[wheat shard]

send me a dm

[winter mirage]

Ill have to log on and post my before & after photos.

[winter mirage]

Crisis avoided, it still looks great! 😁 Wish the cloth scetions still hooked to the center like before but losing the VERY prominent 'belly button' is a plus in my book

[lunar badge]

Blah blah founder armor blah blah.

They're going to be available to everybody in the future, they aren't exclusive and the argument that "well I paid for the armor it should look how I want it to" makes absolutely no sense from that perspective!

Y'all begged DE for a change to an armor set that EVERYONE WILL HAVE IN THE FUTURE.

It's not unreasonable to want the same for every armor set everyone will have access to in the future based on the record Y'ALL SET.

Hypocrites.

You didn't pay for the armor or the Wylds or anything else other than the Paragon, Flowers, and to support DE.

[barren pier]

ok karen

[violet mirage]

The hell are you guys on about, just kill stuff and get loot lol.

I just don't want my male character having massive steroid abuser gyno.

Also, character customization will come - the game is just in an early state. Game is barebones right now and I'm sure content and gameplay is just a higher priority ATM.

[cold hinge]

Armor looks great!

[wraith kestrel]

can’t we all just get along and realize everyone wants different things for the game and we can be okay with that

DE make the final call on these things but I’m sure they want to know what the community thinks

[candid haven]

For anyone with strong feelings one way or another, https://discord.com/channels/998758139405029478/1438224662344761345

[rapid pine]

greatswords are bugged for me now lol

[sly aurora]

I feel like the hair didnt need changing on Oscelda tbh. Its WAY more of a defining feature on the design than the breasts were

You can have long hair and would still look good on a masculine body. The same way a future helmet/headpiece can have short hair and look good on a feminine one

[vagrant cargo]

Not happy about my shield trow knockdown being removed come on bro

[ashen shard]

facts this felt like the defining trait on the shield

[brazen crypt]

I hope they add a toggle or something for the wyld armors, I actually liked how they looked on my male Envoy before 🙏

[peak depot]

awh fck, no GS bug fix on knockdown finishers. 😭

[native canyon]

Damn new male wyld armor versions look straight up giga Chad mode. Well done DE!

[vagrant cargo]

Actually its even stronger now

The ammoujt of stagger its doikg is so high it ALWAYS knocks down...atleast with my shield

[stuck path]

Since they started to make more feminine skins on warframe suddenly warframe got waaaaay better and tbh not because they sexualized is better its just look more powerful like flexing the beauty of a feminine warframe imo. Like wyld oscelda it look good and noble

[gritty flax]

I'm really hoping they add something like warframes character creation. I think more rpg like character customization would fit a game like this really well.

Though, the mom thing is pretty cool as a concept. Maybe let us customize the way the mom/dad look? Like GTA online

[round latch]

Rip thrown off being goated for higher level enemies

It makes sense to have it be consistent bonus to stagger instead of random chance but sooo many enemies just have too much stagger meter for some of these things to be worth it

[wide horizon]

I think the armor looks much more masculine and hope those who felt so strongly about it are satisfied.

I think that the idea to allow folk to choose between the two, for whatever reason that might be, might be a balm on the issue.

Remember that time/effort spent reworking one armor, is not being spent on or delays making the next.

Thank you for the fixes and the effort, Digital Extremes team.
We love your art so much we fight each other over it.
Probably not ideal, but it says something about the intensity.

[restive lava]

parry

[vocal venture]

Sure, let me just ask the big guy im fighting to pause for a second

So that I can parry arrows coming at my back

[restive lava]

yeah exactly

ask him kindly and he might just do it

[vocal venture]

Solid advice ngl, will have to try next time

[bold cedar]

The comments that I was responding to when I wrote the message you replied to here were saying that the Wyld pact masculine styles shouldn’t have been improved unless DE also wanted to make all the femme armors look more feminine.

My point has never been that the femme armors shouldn’t look good. They should. But in my opinion, the femme armors do look good. All I’ve ever said is that I like the armors I’ve had, and don’t want feminizing all of the femme armors to be required before DE is allowed to make the masc armors look cool.

[lunar badge]

Incorrect, the discussion was actually that the clearly masc armors that make no changes on femme body type should be changed to be more femme on those body types to keep consistent in providing representation.

The rest of that was pretty accurate, but you missed the entire argument.

I completely agree that the already clearly designed to be femme armors look fine and don't need changes.

[round latch]

Which armors do you think need work specifically

[lunar badge]

Off the top of my head Bromius and Jotan just give you beer belly syndrome, you could make minor tweaks to Mendicant for a more hourglass shape and pronounced chest

It doesn't even have to be much

[round latch]

I still haven’t seen the fem version of bromius

[lunar badge]

It's exactly the same, just a slightly smaller belly

[round latch]

I think that might speak to how off it looks

[lunar badge]

And I mean slightly

[round latch]

I don’t agree that mendicant needs any tweaks but since you’re only suggesting minor tweaks i don’t really mind

[lunar badge]

And it may not, that's just personal preference but I think it also works fine as androgynous- the main offenders are Bromius and Jotar

[round latch]

I think regent's shell is probably the best example of an armor, not cloths, that looks rather nice in both versions

[lunar badge]

I do agree with that, and the part about that it that is was armor designed for a woman but in a style that's originally for men.

It's a perfect middle ground and exactly what I would like to see all armors try to emulate in the future

And really, the only change they really did was make the chest plate... Account for having boobs.

[sly geyser]

Chest plates often weren't designed to be form fitting anyway as they used padding and were meant to be worn by more than one body type.

So Regent hits that fairly well.

[bold cedar]

Okay, but the armors that were changed were Wyld Tethryn and Wyld Oscelda. If you like the femme style of the Wyld armors already, then what even is there to complain about?

[lunar badge]

... I explained it adequately, if you're going to be intentionally dismissive of the fact that I'm asking for the same level of representation for femme looks on masc armors as there were changes made to give representation for masc looks on femme armors, there's absolutely zero point in engaging with you.

I want them to make a pass on other armor sets in the game, not just the Wyld armors, because the argument of "well I paid for it" holds no water when everyone can farm them in the future. By that logic if people can bandy together to make a change like this to armor everyone will have access to, the same principle should be applied in the other direction for every armor in the game as those also will be farmable by everyone.

I'm not explaining it further to you, it's about as simple as I can make it without resorting to something that would get me muted, as it would be interpreted as me being rude to you.

[solemn mauve]

Game good, discord bad

[sly geyser]

They're saying that since the armor made for women was done over to be masculine, then the armor made for men should be touched up to be more feminine on other sets. Currently, all 'masculine' sets were left as is, unisex, while the only noticeably 'feminine' sets were touched up for male envoys, while the opposite is not true, none of the other sets are touched up for female envoys to look more feminine. That's just my interpretation of it, personally I'd prefer more neutral armor all around, as that was more common, though pieces with exaggerated features did exist. I do agree that any 'I paid for it' is a dead argument, as nobody did, we paid to support the devs and got early access to some stuff in return, it'll all become farmable later.

[round latch]

I think most of the issue people had with the masc versions of the wyld sets was a little different than the gripes with most of the feminine sets.

I know me personally the main issue i had wasn't that masculine features weren't present, it was that feminine features weren't properly removed, just shrunk down. if the sets were more andro to begin with, I wouldn't have had an issue with them, personally.

A lot of the fem armor sets do have the masc features removed and/or are slightly feminine. A handful aren't, and I think those should be touched up too.

I think the reason these were touched up so quickly, and first, is because it has a different feel when you pay for it, and expected a good masculine version of the armor for your masculine character model. People had a more instant reaction because everyone saw the masc models and got disappointed all at the same time.

Some of the people talking about these armors feel very much like those cornballs in gender war chats who keep screaming about their problems and not listening to everyone else's 🥀

[solemn mauve]

Why does everything have to be political

[bold cedar]

Not saying you're wrong in your interpretation. But I do think that that perspective is ridiculous, given how many times I've seen people on here complaining in the past about how much better the femme version of an armor or pact is, and how they want the same cool things from the femme version in the masc version. There have always been two body types for all of these things. And people have complained the entire time that they thought the femme versions were better, or wanted something that the other body type version had.

The only thing new about this one is that the masc body type didn't look like a masc body type. It's not like the Wyld armors were supposed to only exist in the femme version. And wanting only one body type to get nice things is absurd. Regardless of which body type gets the nice things.

[wide horizon]

Sirin Enjoyers looking at all this like <_<

[solemn mauve]

My male Tethren has an armour bra, he doesn’t have boobs sorry, he’s in shape and has excellent cardio and low body fat

No rescaling of the proportions of that armor is going to fix that, it’s clearly made for boobs

[round latch]

The new male tethren armor doesnt have that, but i do agree that is what made it feel off before.

I still dont like it, but thats just because i dont like the style of the armor.

[solemn mauve]

Probably shoulda just gone the Warframe route and made each pact gender locked instead of having us poetically describe our mother in character creation

Or let us swap gender on the fly in our tent, I’d be down for that

Maybe even make gender choice (or body type whatever they want to call it) part of loadouts, that would actually be really cool

[lunar badge]

Except things like Bromius and Fire King armor have had absolutely ZERO changes for the female model- which is about 90% of my gripe.

And they're not androgynous, unlike things like Mendicant or Garren Rood.

I'd love to use Bromius but it makes my female character look like a fat balding man with a Japanese top knot

[subtle robin]

clearly the solution is to just have fem, masc, and androgynous armour options and allow everyone to just choose the presentation they want for their envoys

[lunar badge]

I just wish advocating for that wasn't something I felt the need to do because I absolutely understand the amount of work that entails

But they set the standard by making changes.

[wide horizon]

More time/work for the related devs and less overall armor for the trouble.
If you have to have both version on both models you have four versions, six with the androgynous set thrown in.

[lunar badge]

I was advocating against it from the beginning precisely because of dev time, I was perfectly content only using armor that I liked the look of via threads.

[bold cedar]

There are certainly some armor styles I like better stylistically than others. I think the problem here is that it was making people feel like they were forced to play as the wrong gender. Unflattering armor? I can choose not to care, or I can choose not to wear it. But armor that's so far in a gendered direction that people who deliberately chose masc feel like they're dressed femme, I can get why that would make them unhappy. And it's not like Warframe, because we do have masc and femme versions of things.

Having the masc armor look like it had boobs seems to me akin to having the femme armor be topless with a large codpiece. I'd support an argument to change that a lot faster than making a unisex armor that's kind of unattractive on everyone into something that's noticeably femme.

[subtle robin]

it does seem like the easiest solution in theory, and I understand the implementation is a tad more complicated
but I figured it's like the various skins on a warframe, and I do also understand the gripe with super gendered armour, maybe it's magicland you can just change your 'frame' (or gender presentation) as you want so you can just choose between the existing masc/fem model variants
then that's basically just like 1-2 models per armour, maybe 3 if they're feeling generous with providing all three fem/masc/androgynous options right?

[bold cedar]

I would be happy to have the option of using your favorite presentation of a given pact or armor. If it looks better masc, let me play masc for a day to wear it. If it looks better femme, I'll wear it as femme. Hopefully that's coming once they give us full character creation.

[topaz bison]

Yeah people just need to be patient honestly. All kicking off when character customisation is in such an unfinished state. Of course there will be options down the road

[gloomy elm]

any news on when Character custimisation is coming back?

[echo turret]

did they add new weapons?

didnt find a mention in the patchnotes here but it was mentioned in the news channel

[ancient nacelle]

haven't seen it on patch note either

[echo turret]

oh wait its the copming soon part

my bad

[deep rampart]

That’s kind of what I’ve been getting at. Hopefully the full version will have a more complete character customization option, including the ability to make changes in the nightfold

[potent thicket]

Read carefully that's a coming soon patch

[undone matrix]

cooking with these hotfixes <3

[lunar badge]

God this is a horrible, you'd have to be completely blind in both eyes kind of take. Bromius and Jotar armor aren't unisex- they're clearly modeled for male body types.

And the original changes to the armor for male body types turned the breasts into male pectorals but half the men playing this game don't have them as pronounced because they ain't Greek gods so they think they look like boobs.

DE had to go out of their way to give them an even more defined six pack and no cloth over the front to help for oscelda, and they literally just "pancaked out" the Tethren, but they still have the same pectorals.

Thats literally all I have to say to make this entire comment read as it is- BS.

[zenith vessel]

This game fun appreciate update (:

[rapid pine]

You're wrong they are the same pectorals. You're making unbased generalizations about the player base. You're wrong that they still have the same pectorals. I personally am more represented by the armor changes. What were you cooking?

[lunar badge]

Side by side shows that they actively flattened both of them, don't say anything if you don't know anything

Helix did a whole side by side in the #1446589499042693240

Come back after, ty

[wraith kestrel]

I like how Monster Hunter Wilds did it where there are two versions of each armor, and you can choose either regardless of gender. But yeah I imagine that’s a ton of work

[solemn mauve]

Stop engaging with this troll honestly, she doesn’t want to hear any opinion that doesn’t match her own and will just invalidate it as ‘uneducated’

[lunar badge]

Bold take coming from the person who can't tell the difference between the spelling of "unintelligent" and "uneducated"

Or recognize the difference between saying a particular take versus an individual.

If you want to argue that I'm being unfair by saying it's unintelligent, fine, I'll change it to say "you'd have to be blind kind of take" but don't make me out to be attacking people personally.

Smart people say dumb things, pointing out the thing that they said wasn't smart isn't a personal attack.

[atomic spoke]

what is the minimum buy in to start playing now? is it 100 or 30?

[glossy pine]

$0

$30 if you don't want to ask someone for a code

[wooden kite]

$0, there's a twitch drop campaign going for access codes #soulframe-news message you've got a bit under 2 days. need to watch 30 minutes

[atomic spoke]

Yup got one! Thanks for replies! @wooden kite and @glossy pine

[round latch]

She does, some of you just don’t actually interact with what she’s actually saying

[round latch]

I disagree with the current (new) models using the same pectorals. Tethren is maybe debatable, but Oscelda has a very different shape that is much more masculine. The previous shape was more rounded, which is more similar to fat stores than musculature. There was a sag to it as well, implying that it wasn’t directly connected to the shoulder, which instead makes it look like a deposit on top of the pectoral than the pectoral itself.

Tethren is similar, albeit more like it’s just been flattened

[lunar badge]

I never said that they were the same, just that they are still pectorals in the sense of the muscle structure, because people complained about them just being boobs before DE made additional changes when that wasn't the case.

I may have been misinterpreted,

I specifically said they pancaked them both when someone said they hadn't changed.

[wide horizon]

While everything was free, everything was beautiful and each envoy's taste and choice of armor style from the selections was enough. Money got involved and the investment and expectations of many parties amped. Change was demanded. I am not innocent of voicing my own opinion on the work.

I see frustration in the changes. Artist(s) who had poured hours of time and thought into their offering, only to have so many decry those efforts. Forced to beat their vision into a homogenized form to assuage the roar. How much love was lost from the model as it was so neutralized?

The responsiveness of DE to the collective voice of the community is a trait that I do not think we should risk abusing. Personally, I do not push my stylus well, nor flow creatively, when I am feeling downtrodden and unappreciated.

If you love something, letting it grow of it's own accord as much as possible gives you more of what you grew to love.

Should we be the trellis, or the sheers?

[round surge]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

[gaunt solar]

The mechanic to swap an armour piece between two states is already in game for helmets. I think if the “feminine” founders sets worked fine on male envoy models - albeit not to everyone’s taste - all Envoys should be able to switch between either variant.

• More choice and value for money is good, less choice and value for money is bad
• DE already made the extra models, there’s no point shortchanging themselves for the work they’ve done
• Some players using female Envoys would probably prefer the “masculine” variants
• Some players using male Envoys would probably prefer to still have access to the “feminine” variants

a.k.a. me lol. I actually really liked the “feminine” Oscelda torso for a light mage armour on my young adult character, the pecs and 6 pack situation looks a bit ridiculous since my characters doesn’t even have that physique themselves

Above that, I think a gradual plan to create variants for each of the armour sets wouldn’t be a bad endeavour. There’s merit in having armour that isn’t overly sexualising for female envoys, but there’s definitely a place for small tweaks that give armours a more feminine appearance while staying true to some kind of historical realism.

[solemn mauve]

Hard to interact with someone who insists on taking people’s responses in bad faith but that’s just normal these days I guess. Anyways I gave my feedback, keep it up devs game is great

[silent coral]

more effort on useless stuff is not good

[round basalt]

Exactly

[lunar badge]

You can't just actively choose to not engage with the core of my argument, argue against it in bad faith by arguing against a point I'm not making despite repeatedly having been explained to you, and then project your own position of "engaging in bad faith" onto me.

That's not how any of this works lol.

Strawman, meet Avocado. I think you two are well acquainted.

[lunar badge]

Anyways, the point iloxis made is an amazing way of looking at the situation.

Also, thank you @wide horizon for your poetry. Fire on a page.

[solemn mauve]

Lillie you are an intelligent discorder and the community is blessed to have you. I wholeheartedly agree with everything you post and think everybody should as well

I take back everything i said because it was wrong and I am deeply ashamed. I am sorry.

I’m going to go back to being an imbecile and maybe go buy some cosmetics in the new call of duty, thanks everyone

[sly geyser]

You may disagree with points they have stated, but you yourself have brought extremely little to any of this outside of trying to personally insult people, which isn't a good look. This isn't the own you think it is, it just makes you look unpleasant.

Please try to keep disagreements on subject and not devolve into trying to demean another's character.

[sly geyser]

Many people will strongly disagree with you here, the concept of more cosmetic choices is almost universally praised by both people who like and dislike the changes, and is certainly not a useless thing to implement. More choice is better.

[solemn mauve]

Not sure if you meant to reply to me or Lillie 😂

[sly geyser]

You, very obviously.

Lillie states her points strongly, and I may not agree with them sometimes, but at least she states a point.

Resorting to just belittling people is childish.

[solemn mauve]

Not so much mate she’s horrifically rude I’ve been lurking for a while

[solemn mauve]

Oh I ageee

[round basalt]

im gonna tell you right now, if you go over her posts you will see she does nothing but attack people for their opinions and insult them for "bad opinions" so many people have called her out. i myself am tired of it too

[sly geyser]

I have, and not really.

She argues her point and remains doing so, that's pretty much it.

[round basalt]

yeaaaa i don't think you have. but w/e

[solemn mauve]

Anyways I’ll just restate my feedback….i play with my wyld Tethren armor mostly and my character is male. The latest update was good but I still think I look like a woman in armor.

[steady inlet]

mans simping for girl avatar

[edgy sandal]

This is a bit of a spoiler but I think that
|| Since the 3 starting pacts are named after 3 well known fey warriors and as I understand it the wyld armor is supposed to look like these characters' actual armor having tethren's wyld armor look a bit feminine is by design as its trying to keep the original look of the character's original armor, that would explain why Sirin is the only one that didn't receive complaints since it was already built for a male character||
Of course I might be wrong

[solemn mauve]

Ah that makes a lot more sense, really wouldn’t mind if they let us swap our gender more easily, for example on the equipment and loadout ui. Or just make it like Warframe and have pacts be gender locked, I’m not against playing as a female looking character it’s just for this game I chose male

Tbh the enemy armor looks way better for both genders of enemies

[lunar badge]

I find this funny when more often than not, Cloranthy and I disagree and sit on opposite sides of the argument.

It's just some people are capable of disagreeing with someone, and occasionally recognizing when points that are made are valid even if they don't coincide with their own opinion.

He's changed my mind on occasion, and I his.

It's just how communication works when you don't insist on entering into everything in bad faith and actually absorb new info.

[edgy sandal]

I think DE will eventually release some of them with the rest of the ode'n weapons, I would love to use the war caster's bullshit magic on the ode'n

[solemn mauve]

Seriously that would be amazing, and those damn grenades

Not sure what they are going for though, I kinda get this nature vs technology theme so I was a bit surprised we even can craft oden weapons

And and wow I didn’t know you could ignore on discord, just block. That’s going to make things a lot nicer moving forward 🥰

[edgy sandal]

It's not really nature Vs technology imo
I find it more like working with the environment Vs exploiting the environment.
You're not using the ode'n giant cannons of destruction you're using their swords and polearms that can be made without harming the environment

[topaz bison]

Why is this brought up every single day in this dam hotfix chat?

Time to mute ✌️

[solemn mauve]

Nice way of putting it, I mean even Druid types are still using bits and bobs from the environment, they just care more about balance even if that means having to kill

I’m down for something like ‘ima throw this grenade to bring balance to nature’

[solemn mauve]

I’d answer that but I’d probably get patronised with a carefully punctuated and strategically italicised response 😂

[lunar sky]

people like being contrarian and mean and always want to "win" the conversation

anyway i am enjoying the hotfix it is very nice

[silent coral]

yup some people just want to complain about anything

everything looking good

[nimble rose]

Did they take away the ability to swing your weapon to avoid fall damage because if so….BOOOOO

[gaunt solar]

I was using it fine today. It looks so dumb tho 😂 needs to just be when you press jump mid-air you get a float so you don’t have to attack to trigger it.

[round latch]

I've only used ranged weapons for this because its more consistent, and it still works with them

[nimble rose]

I just got it working again when I switch out the Stultin. I love that feature and want it to stay 😂

[gaunt solar]

Oh yeah I absolutely want it to stay, I just wish it wasn’t tied to your weapon swinging animation 😂

Because it’s also annoying when I accidentally lock myself mid-air when I just wanted to swing my weapon, and I gent bodied by a banneret

[vagrant cargo]

Sirin armor looks not so good on a female character

[edgy sandal]

And that's by design imo, Sirin is a male character and a rogue, rogues usually wear light armor that is more form fitting so it will look more good on characters that have a similar body shape. They could have done more work for female Sirin but honestly it's good enough as were the old Tethren and Orceldia.

[vagrant cargo]

But when female armor like oscelda didnt look very manly on male character the community fcking riots

Sounds totally fair hu

[edgy sandal]

Yeah the sad truth about that situation is because fantasy games like soulframe have a largely male demographic DE are more likely to make changes that are requested by that specific demographic

Feedback response is a game of resource management in the game dev industry it's about how much to allocate for the feedback received based on how it affects the game's reputation and player base

[vagrant cargo]

I know

I'd just like the armor to be more feminine

[proven nymph]

Can still wipe the map with zero effort with the bow, can still go inf lives in cogah by entering a dungeon, can still have my game require relog for dumb little things all day. But thanks for touching that armor, glad you addressed the weirdos concerned with the wrong thing lol Unless I missed those notes? lol or maybe we can add "paragon sword will be sharable and not exclusive to paragon." in the description instead of just FAQ like it has been. Apparently thought you needed to touch it up prior as I saw in the notes but still don't address that? lmao okaayyyyy. Something stinks around here.

[winter ravine]

bonsoir pouvez vous m indiquer comment acceder au preludes j aimerais trop y jouer

[red kayak]

Can we not complain please? There's a difference between constructive criticism and crying like a child. Can you guess which you're doing?

Now if you forgot this is a Prelude, in other words a beta, maybe don't buy a game in its beta if you can’t deal with some bugs here and there and must relog. You spent the money to access the game by your own choice and now you're complain a game (in its beta/alpha) that hasn't even fully been released for a month yet has some bugs, and/or features not implemented which we were told would be later down the line? Yea, I'd say something reeks too, like an unchanged baby diaper; it's your behavior.

[silent coral]

I mean its fair to say useless things are being focused on because some people like to complain about stuff that does not matter, but yea still alpha so a long time of changes to go

[rare pier]

I'll pitch in an observation on Lillie. They make their points, and when people infers things to strawman things Lillie didn't actually say because they refuse to take Lillies statements as written, Lillie shuts shit down fast. Which is great, because people reframing what they're being told to in an attempt to bend an argument into "a win" is just poor communication.

Not wanting "boobs" on male armor is a valid opinion; but if we're going to open up having the gendered versions of each armor be more adapted to their biological primary it should be getting a universal pass.
That said, hopefully there's just more options for those who want them coming further down the line.

[rare pier]

To add in example; If Bromius chestplate gets a female version that is more androgynous looking I would be happy for that because I'm playing a Feyblooded slender young man, not Robert Baratheon. And I would expect Tuvalkane to craft armor properly adjusted for my character.

All that said I would prefer more armors the coming 6-12 months rather than artist time being spent on these issues.

[strange egret]

As much as I'd love more variety of body types for us to choose from, it doesn't seem to be on the cards right now so I'd agree that simply getting more sets out there for us to choose from in a variety of styles can largely solve the problem (wear big chunky armour if you want a big chunky character, small skinny armour if you want a small skinny character). However, I do feel like the founder armour is a bit of an exception to this as it's the only sets in the game explicitly tied to a (not exactly cheap for many) real money purchase, and even the "controversial" original versions still had some fairly significant gender differences already included.

I'd really love it if in time we could get access to a more "masculine" and "feminine" version of each of the sets regardless of character body type, as some of the changes made so far have added and removed elements in ways that might spoil looks some of us were going for, even setting aside the torso details. For example, the cape/dress on the Iridis set was significantly changed for male characters as part of the patch, and the smaller cape is now no longer available at all. There is precedent for this from DE, they eventually made two versions of Warframe's steel path reward armour. The armour originally looked entirely different depending on the body type you were using, but it was later split into two separate sets so you could get a version matching either style on any character.

Personally I think the priority should be a way to change your body type in-game, giving everyone access to the full selection of armour assets that are already in Preludes without any major development work or new assets needed.

[lunar badge]

And I would disagree with the assessment that the Wyld Armor is the exception to this.

The armor is tied to the Wylds, both of which will be obtainable, in game, for free, to everyone.

You did not pay for the armor, you paid for early access to it.

Bandying about to make major changes to an armor set that everyone will have access to simply because you have early access now does not hold the same weight as "This armor is Founders Exclusive and only for people who pay."- because that's not what happened.

Stop calling it Founders Armor, that's just putting a label on it thats inaccurate.

[strange egret]

Yes, that is true, but they did already make changes to it in response to feedback

[lunar badge]

If they're going to make changes to armor based on feedback saying it needs to fit their definition of gender norms, they need to do that for both genders on ALL armors otherwise it's just representation for a very vocal minority of men

[strange egret]

And I don't think it's unfair to call it "founder armour" for as long as that's the only way you can get it. We don't have any details on how/when it will be generally available

[lunar badge]

It's openly stated by the devs to be obtainable via in game rituals that are free to play- why are you saying there's "no info"

Lol, you just don't know the info, not the same thing

[strange egret]

Right, it's been communicated that it is not a permanently exclusive thing in order to set the right expectations, but for now we don't know when it'll be added for non-founders, where it will come from, etc. Someone looking at the game right now really has no information on the free to play path at all other than that there will at some point be a free to play path.

[lunar badge]

And I'm saying that their perception doesn't matter?

It's going to be freely available.

So the argument "I paid for it" is factually incorrect regardless of how they feel that they paid for it.

They didn't.

End of story.

I don't feel like DE owes me changes to the Wyld pacts because I paid for it. Only way to obtain it atm, so by your logic the Wyld Pacts are actually Founders Pacts and we should be able to ask for changes, right?

It's a bad argument.

[strange egret]

Anyway, I think this core argument has been had already, so no need to retread it. Personally I'm a bit disappointed with the changes that were made, but I'd be perfectly happy with simply making both armour models available to all characters, or at the very least enabling switching of body types. I don't think that certain armours having a much more significant difference between versions means that all armours necessarily need to look different at all.

[wooden kite]

I generally prefer more androgynous appearances myself, but tbh I agree with this. It's not fair for so many people to immediately shut down the idea of feedback requesting specific armor sets be made more feminine for the fem frame after people complained wanting specific armor sets to be made more masculine for the masc frame and were listened to. It's up to DE to decide if now is the right time to take a look at that feedback - and what they want to do related to it - not up to players to tell other players that they shouldn't even be giving the feedback. And feedback should be based on what you want long-term, not what you want short-term, or DE will have to be constantly making changes into the future to fix the short-term whims of players even if there was a more obvious, easier long-term goal.

If there's a feedback thread related to it though I'd appreciate a link

[lunar badge]

The part that gets me is the amount of vehement backlash from that vocal minority of men when the exact same argument is levied their way. It's almost like all the complaints had nothing to do with representation as a concept and a standard but just representation for themselves, and who cares about anyone else?

"Well, now that the changes are made, I don't think they should do more work doing this for other armor sets for other body types"

Oh so you mean now that you have what you want, you could care less about anybody else? Gotcha.

It's so blatant.

[halcyon atlas]

is anyone els having this problem

[strange egret]

Not sure if that's meant as a response to me, but if so it seems to be slightly missing what I was originally saying. I'm personally not particularly a fan of the changes they did make and would be personally happier if they were reverted, but would be even happier still to be able to access both versions as that seems like the better option for everyone's tastes.

[lunar badge]

Oh no I'm not referring to you at all, some specific responces above that I stopped responding to

[strange egret]

Fair enough

[lunar badge]

Sorry! Didn't mean to give that impression

[strange egret]

No problem

As for what artists are working on/could be working on, I just meant that I'd like to see new sets added more than I'd like to see existing sets reworked, but I'd hope that new armour sets they do introduce come in a variety of styles so that everyone can find something that appeals to them.

[lunar badge]

I personally preferred the old way, where we just picked armor that matched our tastes aesthetically and in terms of representation and avoided the stuff that didn't!

It was easier on the devs that way and IMHO would've helped with some creative flow in making new armor sets.

But they've now set a standard, and players are going to use that as a flag post for future change requests.

It's the boat they've put themselves into.

[edgy sandal]

So true, honestly I love the old Tethren male armour it looked like Something natural and it represented the inspiration really well

My only complaint about the old Orceldia male is that it didn't get the flowy bits of the female armour

[solemn mauve]

Eventually there will be so much armour in the game that Soulfashion will of course be the true end game. I believe in DE to have some absolutely stunning armors over the years that will allow each of us to represent ourselves how we see fit whether we picked body type 1 or 2. Then we can all be happy that we can show the world how we wish to be represented without anybody being offended!

[round latch]

#1438224825113120788

[halcyon atlas]

ok thank you

[void abyss]

4k ULTRA HD

[candid haven]

Shirtless male body envoys do have abbs and pecs though

Though I hope they’ll add differing body types in customization

[candid haven]

What I mean is that currently, the male envoy body type has pecs and abbs by default

[lunar badge]

So do the women to be fair

The point he made though was not that the men have pecs and abs naturally, it's that they gave them the Spartan treatment in the armor which is a bit silly considering it's supposed to be warlocky and not very overtly masculine

[candid haven]

I use male so have not seen what female body type has but am pleased to know that at least they too get six packs. I’m all for muscle woman

[candid haven]

The six pack

[candid haven]

Though this more is how one personally perceives warlocks, warlocks can have abbs as well. Justice for muscle warlocks!

Also for ripped wizards see Gale haha

But yeah I get thier point, but in terms of matching character models, the new six pack isn’t technically off, since it does match the character model

For peoples personal presence, very fair if one preferred the old fashion

[lunar badge]

Oh totally! I'm very with the suggestion that the gender variants be on a toggle like the helmets, it's great representation and also the ability to fashion will be incredible as well!

[candid haven]

Factsss, can never go wrong with more fashion options in my opinion!

[manic perch]

when are you guys going to fix Wevetseed drops? they should drop at minimum 3 seeds, and/or you can at least allow stacking of seeds, up to like 10 total or something so we can build up a store to use if we're intending to go back and forth between places, especially if you're farming FactionTales etc going between our faction HQ and wherever we're farming the FT, like in the high level areas far from HQ

[candid haven]

They drop 1-3 seeds randomly a day

[gaunt solar]

Not saying this in any kind of conspiratorial way as I don't think it was intentional - just first screenshot you could take after changing equipped items - but the yurt lighting is pretty favourable for showing off the definition of your Envoy's musculature, and even here, the armour seems quite a bit more muscular. But it gets even more pronounced when you stand in neutral lighting that doesn't define the ab muscles, the armour is still chisselled.

I know it's a different texture, so will interact with lighting a little differently etc., and I don't think it's like some pressing issue that needs to be fixed ASAP - honestly I think bringing in the ability to swap masculinity / femininity as I've suggested above would be fine.

I just personally find it a little funny, because to my mind, these Envoys are young adults who I personally don't think have the musculature indicated by the new male Oscelda torso. I personally think a toned stomach without defined abs would have been more appropriate, but I respect that other people like the new design.

Hell, since female envoys have abs too, all the more reason to let all envoys swap between both designs so they can get access to the ab plate 😉

[sly geyser]

Wevetseed drops aren't broken, they drop 1-3 once a day and can already stack. The map is also only about eight minutes long at its longest and you shouldn't be constantly crossing it anyway, faction rep doesn't build that fast.

[vagrant cargo]

You got them oled shadows

[upbeat bronze]

2-3

[vagrant cargo]

Brother I had to rename these files to be able to see them...just put .png at the end of the file or something

I legit had to go and edit the mf file so that the phone could realize it was a picture

Like...ey...psss....thats a png....you should render it as such...and my phone is like...oh yeah my bad sorry here you go

See

Thats how you share a file

[candid haven]

Oh it’s 2-3 now? Good to know!

[sly geyser]

No, it's still 1-3.

People keep getting it confused with sap.

[candid haven]

Ah gotcha, thanks for clarifying!

[gaunt solar]

Omfg I'm so sorry, I literally just attached the files and then it gave me a box to change the name in with no indication it needed to have the file extension included. I wondered why they attached weirdly. My bad 😂

Much better lol

[upbeat bronze]

Oh sry

Misread it

So it is 1-3 then

[vagrant cargo]

Lmao

[trail spoke]

I don't get the people who still post nonsense under patch notes.

[void abyss]

hotfix 9, now? or tomorrow

[burnt coral]

next week more than likely, The Old Peace has probably marked off the rest of the week for DE

[quartz light]

Never ever

[plucky saddle]

only 8 hotfixes per preludes unfortunately

[wispy gale]

lol wut

[cyan obsidian]

What are you even saying?
P11 had 13 hotfixes and P10 had 12

[wispy gale]

^^

[wide horizon]

There are... people here who just say untrue things.

[eternal pagoda]

some people just love to argue here instead of doing something productive with their lives, and i wont say who

[quartz light]

What a positive and utterly productive comment, bravo sir

[lunar badge]

Right? The chat has been nothing but people getting along for two days, why you tryna stir the pot?

[eternal pagoda]

Hobochode 67 is that u?

U still play RUST?

[quartz light]

Nah wouldn't but chode in my name or play rust lol

[strong hollow]

Soulframe is beautiful and loving how am able get lost in the game world and story.

[solemn mauve]

Careful bro 🤣

[dark rune]

The hot coals smolder…

[kindred prawn]

I mean, this is the same guy who was complaining about the community being woke and admitted to just ragebaiting

He deleted his message (or the mods did) where he complained about woke

He’s clearly acting in bad faith trying to get a reaction out of Lillie

[eternal pagoda]

Who

[kindred prawn]

https://tenor.com/view/bye-annalise-keating-bye-felicia-gotta-go-ciao-gif-4835251

[eternal pagoda]

? XD

[solemn mauve]

Caaaaaareful bro….

[eternal pagoda]

why

[solemn mauve]

Look above, they have files on Her detractors

[eternal pagoda]

meh iam not bothered, haters gonna hate

Recently ive tasted an avocado for the first time, it was ight !

[solemn mauve]

I haven’t left Nightfold in days, I’m literally watching these seeds grow and I swear this camel is looking at me funny, but I’m too scared to leave

[eternal pagoda]

i like its naration of the paragon bundle

[plucky saddle]

what a dummy man what are you even trying to say dude

[dark rune]

The camel lowkey judges all of us

Verminia is forthcoming about our fashion choices but the camel… it just sits there and stares menacingly

https://tenor.com/view/giorno-giovanna-angry-annoyed-i-see-dont-care-gif-23866160

“You used your moonsteel thread on that, envoy?”

[solemn mauve]

Yesterday he told me I look good in my Wyld Tethren armor, but the look he’s giving me says otherwise

[tired stirrup]

I still use the mendicant top

Founders armor isnt my vibe short of the sirin legs

Weapons rule though on god