Soulframe Preludes 12 Hotfix 7

[odd narwhal]

• Increased base Stagger Damage of Melee weapons.
• Increased Stagger Damage earned while leveling weapons.
• Increased Magick Defense of Wyld Oscelda Armour.
• Increased Physical Defense of Wyld Tethren Armour.
• Increased Stability of Wyld Sirin Armour.
• Increased Damage of Esthelle.
• Increased Damage of Thrice Spurns.
• Increased Damage and Smite chance of The Starling.
• Increased the time for a Sinecure grenade to explode.
• Reduced the chance of Sinecure grenades being thrown while the Envoy is surrounded in a fight. The Sinecure might be prone to explosions, but not towards each other!
• Decreased stopping distance of long and short blades, allowing Envoys to get closer when attacking.
• Improved transitions and dismounts from the Synsylk Grappler for smoother movement.
• Increased scrollbar scrolling speed in UI menus.
• Restored the Preludes Honour Talisman to its intended +1 bonus to each Virtue, matching its original Mote values.
• Fixed The Alder displaying wrong Damage value in the Arsenal.
• Fixed enemies sometimes spawning outside of reach and causing a progression stop during the Nightfold Pact selection in “Rise, Envoy.”
• Fixed enemies sometimes not engaging properly during the Nightfold Pact selection in “Rise, Envoy.”
• Fixed accounts created before Preludes 12 that had not completed the original “Rise, Envoy” being unable to progress the updated version.
• Fixed Totems UI not showing which Totems were already equipped.
• Fixed additional cases where Miscellaneous resources could incorrectly duplicate or disappear.
• Fixed missing collision on the Tuvalkane’s Nightfold station.
• Fixed Nightfold station popping before surfacing/rising.
• Fixed Nightfold stations not fully revealing themselves after rising.
• Fixed tutorial prompt timings when using the Arsenal and exiting the Nightfold.
• Fixed Magick weapons sometimes failing to break certain objects, blocking progress on Dermak Undercity puzzles.
• Fixed collision issues blocking progress on a Dermak Undercity puzzle.
• Fixed a rare bug where Envoys could revive at inaccessible shrines and become trapped.
• Fixed Ode Lantern in Sieges able to be prematurely destroyed with fire damage, leaving the rope hanging in midair.
• Fixed issues with Fable tracking, Spirit Guide behaviour, and UI during The Torment Stag.
• Fixed Ode Mistrels restoring their health if enough damage wasn’t dealt.
• Fixed continued instances of the Fort Curlail Castellan getting stuck in the locked tower.
• Fixed the Pact-selecting Shrine having collision during “Rise, Envoy” despite not being present.
• Fixed graphical issues with the water in the Nightfold.
• Fixed various sound effect issues, including Wyld Tethren, Sidearm short blades, Wyld and Sirin’s weapons
• Fixed Tethren’s Fellust to clarify that any consecutive attack applies the buff.
• Fixed a crash during The Waste Bear boss fight.
• Fixed a crash when parrying.
• Fixed a crash during “Rise, Envoy.”

Forums: https://forums.soulframe.com/topic/7519-soulframe-preludes-12-hotfix-7/

[hollow wind]

🔥

by the fires of Mora 🔥

[lethal arch]

wew

[frank wagon]

[last fulcrum]

[frank tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/blanket-attack-cat-biting-blanket-cat-bite-blanket-gif-12318464159245992315

[full plank]

nerd

[tiny quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-hell-gif-11230250240607394015

[quiet crag]

yippee

[inner sonnet]

🔥

[golden forum]

[stiff marsh]

[agile phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/online-pet-club-wanwan-happy-excited-anime-gif-5851207893245983183

YAYYYAYY

[fickle jetty]

crangus moment

[hearty agate]

Aaaaaa

[grand verge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1251209035143839884/1392461455357644850/ezgif-5c6a94c71e46a2.gif

[teal shuttle]

grenade timer increase wooooooo

[frail forge]

https://tenor.com/view/yippee-happy-celebration-joy-confetti-gif-25557730

[ashen blaze]

[bitter remnant]

u listened to me very good! PLEASE PLEASE PRETTY PLEASE CONSIDER ENABLING GIFTING BEFORE END OF THE YEAR FOR FOUNDER PACKS PLEASE!

[tiny fern]

this is so peak

[manic viper]

Noice

[frank tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/rabbit-bunny-bnuuy-gas-leak-meme-gif-8252508646824824494

[vocal jay]

[clever solar]

melee players eating good 🙏

[heavy lion]

When are we getting hold to attack? P13?

[onyx robin]

[cold coyote]

W DEVS!!

[warm seal]

Hot

[rancid quartz]

Reduced the chance of Sinecure grenades being thrown while the Envoy is surrounded in a fight. The Sinecure might be prone to explosions, but not towards each other!
thankyou

[muted sentinel]

W grenade nerf. It was so annoying.

[night hollow]

No fix for losing weapon slots when deleting max weapons? 🙁

[lilac flume]

Niceeee.....

[tiny fern]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-dance-fresh-happy-dance-move-gif-15781456

[edgy mason]

https://tenor.com/view/granny-dance-gif-11638418557026172594

[dusty meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/les-visiteurs-diner-godefroy-de-gif-24918376

[sage linden]

is syndicate standing any better?

[woven glade]

this patch is insane ty DE!

[prime marten]

No regional pricing adjustment?

[lime kayak]

Thank you so much for the gernade fix it was getting crazy

[manic viper]

[craggy mountain]

Increased the time for a Sinecure grenade to explode.

Welp, that's my muscle memory going to suffer lol

[cursive horizon]

The Sinecure might be prone to explosions, but not towards each other!
IN SYNOD'S NAME 💥

[obtuse meteor]

peak

[clever solar]

https://tenor.com/view/bunny-bunny-carry-carrying-away-bunny-bunny-walk-chill-bunny-gif-718057308746791294

[dreamy nest]

Thank you thank you for those Grenade Spam adjustments.

[sinful citrus]

Ay, some pretty nice buffs!
Increasing damage to thrice spurns is great, though it still can't make use of its gimmick...

[solid root]

Restored the Preludes Honour Talisman to its intended +1 bonus to each Virtue, matching its original Mote values.

Aww I liked it as a generalist to use on a levelling loadout, same as the circade one but with a neat effect.

[sleek shadow]

Ooooh! This seems peak! I think quite a few of the frustrations I had during fights will be greatly reduced with this, thank you!

[obtuse rover]

yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay

[inner breach]

Is the misc resources disappearing from inventory fixing the avakot bug?

[shy dirge]

All good changes! Any chance we'll get a fix for T3 bounties not spawning in the north of Midrath?

[dusty meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/les-inconnus-jean-pierre-françois-derp-eyes-gif-11659432

[rigid sand]

Finally that fk grenades are nerff LETS GOOO

[pastel patrol]

I dont see the fix of certain totems not showing up in my inventory :(

[round tangle]

[pure hull]

Hell yeah!

[gilded storm]

Very nice!

[sleek cloud]

Make grenades have friendly fire, you cowards! XD

[ember dragon]

With all this work on 'Rise Envoy' please let accounts made before 12 replay the quest. I want to meet grandpa!

[kind pagoda]

[viscid tapir]

Shiiii

[livid vale]

YESS THESE GRENADES ARE NERFED!! MY PRAYERS ARE HEARD!!

[ripe delta]

cogah bug fix when? and prelude honour nerf why

[wintry cove]

grenade nerf yayyy

[limpid hull]

[shell fable]

no fix for the login bug...

[zinc raptor]

Still having an issue with constant crashing, like every 10 minutes or so. Loved the game but wish i could play it 🙁

[pure mason]

Awesome, this proves that DE listen to us!

[sinful citrus]

Sadly doesn't seem like it's coming with this hotfix :/

[lunar kernel]

Improving the Starling is so insane to d

[sacred nymph]

now if my colors would show when i brew them it would be nice

[queen sonnet]

Good changes. Please hide Prelude Honors Talisman from the Compendium 👍

[solid root]

They already do... I'm at one now (though won't have time for it with the hotfix):

[steel linden]

the grenades definitely felt faster than in the past... good fix lol

[versed summit]

okay this is big. Melee fights should feel better now and finally mote selction showing in UI

[naive temple]

Amazing changes!

[vagrant sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/dogs-dog-puppy-clapping-clap-gif-9982789618580026038

[tidal mango]

Please fix the unobtainable totems 🙁

[digital grail]

does anyone know if the Harrowing still deletes agari drops?

[craggy mountain]

To be honest I kinda liked grenades as they were.
Always kept me on my toes.

[eternal shard]

Please look at standing gains, you have made the problem worse since the changes

[wraith sky]

Oh thank god
Maybe now I can get my river pearls finally lol

[junior quail]

Hell yeah no more wander for people joined before P12

[woven glade]

much gratitude to DE for this hallowed and saintly patch! I shall now resume mine humble envoy duties, acknowledging and applying the newly acquired intellect bestowed within these missives.

[shy dirge]

Strange, they've not been spawning at all west of where you are. Maybe it's just a small deadzone?

[wintry cove]

I wish you didn't point that out lmao

[lunar hatch]

is tethran still broken in multi player tho?

[velvet sleet]

No fix for wyld pacts reducing virtue

[livid orchid]

yeah the 2 grenades on cogah inbetween 7 adds was abit op lol

[torpid basin]

How about players that cant log in game? Can we have some information???

[shy dirge]

I've seen absolutely 0 spawn in the area around the Orengall finale

[elfin karma]

More damage to Esthelle and Starling? Welp, Odiac and Juniper are now behind ig

[jaunty sand]

Preludes Honor Talisman nerf? fine, maybe that'll stop the FOMOfolks from feeling bad

[red shuttle]

Most likely still does, it wasn’t mentioned as being fixed

[cedar drift]

One thing is grenades being cool, but when you get hammer + axe + 2 grandes and also staggered.. yeah lol

[cursive horizon]

On a serious note, are there any plans the devs are willing to speak of regarding Greatswords being easily cut down by faster enemy attacks?

[frank jetty]

Amazingly done

[worn gate]

Does the disappearing resources apply to the Avakot merchant purchases?

[vivid totem]

the problem with stagger is that it starts decaying way too fast

[digital zephyr]

W

[blazing geyser]

Why the Preludes Honours nerf though 😭

[hearty pasture]

noooooo my prelude talisman nooooooooo :((((((

[teal comet]

Add dih cheese to the game

[stuck jasper]

Talisman bestitching when 🙁 I'll keep my flowers regardless of stats, but it'd be nice

[honest adder]

[lone venture]

prob nerfed it cuz its meant to be more cosmetic?

[sleek carbon]

Well, it did seem to invalidate all others.

[somber lagoon]

whats the prelude honours?

[blazing geyser]

Wdym? Periapt and Triune are +3 accross the board

[livid carbon]

thats cool

[pallid tartan]

💣 appreciated 💯

[blazing geyser]

Prelude Honours is the same

[spice holly]

damn no fix for weapon damage breaking :c

[unique shoal]

[olive plank]

Gotta buy paragon founders for that now

[coarse fiber]

[signal cave]

Why did you nerf the bird necklace aka "mote"

[warm flint]

"Increased the time for a Sinecure grenade to explode."

[dawn junco]

[warm flint]

https://tenor.com/view/yess-yes-gif-25420589

Increased the time for a Sinecure grenade to explode.

[olive plank]

To sell paragon packs ofc

[late pendant]

rue is a cat

[craggy cosmos]

im so glad they nerfed the grenades, those things were awful for melee

[sleek carbon]

True. Hmm I didn't know then.

[lone venture]

they dont want fomo issues

[signal cave]

That is so dumb it isn't OP

[woven glade]

starling going from 1 in 25 to 3 in 50 smite chance is nice

[ruby yacht]

Hope to see this make melee feel nicer

[vivid hazel]

Les grenades?! 🥰🥰🥰

[blazing geyser]

It’s just a matter of whether u want a flashy ephemeras or flower steps though smh

[spice holly]

gonna happen anyway still, always someone who wants everything

[woeful sable]

great changes!

[blazing geyser]

If u bought paragon u had that choice

[cedar drift]

Classic DE w

[meager sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/i-used-to-pray-for-times-like-this-celebrating-gif-6529507804860980052

Reduced the chance of Sinecure grenades being thrown while the Envoy is surrounded in a fight. The Sinecure might be prone to explosions, but not towards each other!

[hybrid echo]

https://tenor.com/view/jalen-hurts-jalen-hurts-meek-mill-i-used-to-pray-for-times-like-this-gif-13709870523385828441

[wintry juniper]

"Fixed a crash when parrying." Excuse me? That could happen?

[robust narwhal]

Did the fix the Tethren and Oscelda armor for masculine characters?

[covert nimbus]

The ultimate, world ending riposte.

[civic snow]

Cant wait to see my muscle memory when I see them grenades.

[jade spear]

I didn't see anything about the smite weapon debuffs issue... Hope that's coming soon.

[hazy schooner]

@odd narwhal Nice hotfix!

[hexed scroll]

"parry this you casual"

hold my beer ends world

[frail acorn]

Increased Damage of Esthelle. Bro what I was already shredding enemies with it with the joinery on 💀

[sinful citrus]

Parrying the game engine itself

[unique shoal]

Is the Rise Envoy intro still not replay-able for existing accounts?

[hexed scroll]

is paragon's scaling still wonky?

[blazing carbon]

[candid berry]

[craggy cosmos]

[wanton quiver]

Paragon still the weakest Greatsword huh?

[timid bridge]

Penisek666!

[blazing stirrup]

[pure hull]

Would be cool if it got some unique effect

[hybrid echo]

aparently

[ruby sun]

thank you de 🙏

[gray dust]

Can we get some faction grind improvements?

[sturdy spire]

Unexpected Esthelle buff let's go

[torn dock]

GRENADE NERD YES YES YEP THNX

[tulip narwhal]

Awesome update. Thanks DE for your hard work! 🙌

[regal kettle]

Thanks for addressing Grenade spam!! It was so frustrating to play against

[warm flint]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-breaking-bad-better-call-saul-walter-walt-uh-gif-11738409521439998250

[winter cove]

oh great heavens

[versed summit]

hmm grenade still goes off very quick, maybe 1 sec improvement 🙂

[cedar drift]

As long as they dont threw at me when I'm surrounded by mfs while not having friendly fire damage

[nimble lake]

ty DE!
hope the rest of the issues & feedback will be addressed soon as well

[sand jasper]

Niiiiiice

[fickle oxide]

Does that mean that Wyld armors are actually better stat wise?

[winter cove]

honestly true..

[warm flint]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-breaking-bad-better-call-saul-walter-walt-uh-gif-11738409521439998250

you guys...

[winter cove]

still no pull smite fix?

womp womp.. lame hotfix

[haughty night]

Fullust clarification is a big W! Glad I dont need to worry about ranged being excluded. Although, other pacts need a buff, because Tethren is overused in the "endgame"

[cedar drift]

womp womp

[winter cove]

or maybe tethren needs.. a nerf

[cedar drift]

Nah, they all need buffs

[narrow chasm]

it has one
every smite adds 40 damage to heavy attack max of 3 stacks

[cedar drift]

[velvet sleet]

Its happening since friday, cant play wyld pacts with their respective virtue

[pure hull]

Oh cool! I didn't know that. Thanks for telling me

[winter cove]

I know twin.. I know 🥀

have to keep using this stupid green arm

[haughty night]

There is not anything as useable as Tethren in endgame. Buffing other pacts would be both better recieved, and open the door to explore a nerf in the future.

[narrow chasm]

there's a visual effect for it too the little gems glow

[quasi turtle]

nooooo now i will have to wear the janky christmas lights paragon amulet😭😭😭😭😭

[pure hull]

Yeah I did notice the visual effect, but I thought it was visual only

[narrow chasm]

get triune if you don't like the paragon effect

[haughty night]

Its a mostly single player game at the moment, who cares if its op, not like you are competing with others

[cloud lion]

[quasi turtle]

aaaah is it also +3 to all?

[narrow chasm]

unless they changed it yes

[quasi turtle]

niiice

[coarse fiber]

[cedar drift]

I like having friends to play with, Warframe can also be soloed ): but I like friends

[haughty night]

I'll be your friend fam

[winter cove]

I don't play single player games lol (except the ones I do)

[cedar drift]

lol? you mean league of legends!?

[plain mountain]

i play with two people almost every time I am playing

[winter cove]

[proud wigeon]

I won't call it lame but hope for a smite fix soon

[wind hornet]

No fixes for the black screen issue 😔 still a very good show indeed

[winter cove]

I NEED IT!!!!

[glass stream]

Soon many fixes

[glass stream]

Oh I didn't know more people get that

Only happens to me when I'm afk though

[sweet linden]

By alca this hotfix got me

[paper knot]

Envoy rave?

[warped garden]

Blender3829

[sweet linden]

Nooo they nerfed the bird talisman hard tho

[sharp escarp]

ami the only one who gets the lantern glitch

[warped garden]

Blender3829

[sweet linden]

Restore the prelude talisman it wasn’t even bis before. Now it’s weak as hecc so I have to choose flowers or literally any other talisman

[deft hearth]

[sweet linden]

Or make it possible to fashion it with threads

[high pendant]

Can we please get a toggle for the casting camera animations! I want them back on! They are so cool 🥹

[warm seal]

Just for myself to go up quickly since phones don't have that feature ^

[pure dagger]

"Fixed additional cases where Miscellaneous resources could incorrectly duplicate or disappear." does dis mean dat totems nu dissapear nu moar?

[sweet linden]

I’ll miss you funny flowers but I can’t justify giving up 6 in virtues like I could 3

[reef knoll]

whats up with smite pull?

[weak goblet]

thank the 9 for grenade nerf

[winter cove]

wyld pacts break it if you smite pull the same virtue

it guts your stats

[vagrant sundial]

smite can lower your stats making your weapon ineffective while in the middle of a fight

[weak goblet]

i feel like 90% of my deaths are from them

[reef knoll]

hmmm

so the fix for now is to use the non wyld version?

[winter cove]

yep

sadly

[reef knoll]

oof

you know, i was wondering why sometimes my weapons were doing like

5 dmg

lol

[winter cove]

that's why

[vagrant sundial]

I've experienced with sirin, wyld sirin, and the wolf one when smiting

[winter cove]

it affects non-wild too?

[reef knoll]

so its not just a wyld issue

well...shit

[vagrant sundial]

that's been my experience, yeah

[sweet linden]

Not even to +2 but to one of the weakest levels of talisman lol

[dire breach]

because smite is being discussed and i'm a noob, smite pulling is whiteish blue or red.. red heals, whitish blue is just.. a dmg smite?

[mint flame]

Love the grenade change

[winter cove]

pull smite is when they have a bright blue, red, or green orb on them

[sweet linden]

Guess I’ll wear paragon instead

[winter cove]

it's very noticeable

you can't miss it

[dire breach]

yeah sometimes it heals if i have a weapon setup that way

[blazing geyser]

Same

[winter cove]

yep

[dire breach]

blue and green are differentiated in some way i just suck em all in

[dusty vault]

• Restored the Preludes Honour Talisman to its intended +1 bonus to each Virtue, matching its original Mote values.
  RIP I prefer that talisman and its "ephemera" over the founders one. This should be reverted or we need transmog for talismans 😭

Edit: Also the Preludes Honour Talisman has less clipping into the body compared to the founder ones so it is even more desirable on that aspect alone. 🙁

[sharp abyss]

THIS

transmog for talismans for yesterday movement starts now

[mint flame]

So, this effect you talk about are those rgb orbs that fly around the player? I've saw some people with it

[dusty vault]

That's the effect of the paragon founder talisman yeah.
the preludes one plants flowers in your footsteps.

And I prefer the flowers over the orbs everywhere.

[sweet linden]

Give us transmog for talismans and genuinely then this change won’t bother me anymore

[mint flame]

Thanks,I'll grab paragon eventually and that's another reason for me to do so

[shrewd plaza]

yea kinda bullshit that they nerfed it after the founders packs are out, transmog or revert the nerf

[dusty vault]

At leat in Soulframe. In Warframe I would likely use the paragon effect over the flower steps.

[wide gust]

praise be grenade nerf

[sweet linden]

It was far from top tier anyways I used it for the flowers

[dusty vault]

I mean I have the paragon pack and hated the visuals of the paragon talisman over the cute bird.

[mint flame]

Wait you're talking about the chubby bird talisman that gives +3 to everything right?

[sweet linden]

Yes

[mint flame]

They're nerfing to+1?

[sweet linden]

Nerfed to the ground

[mint flame]

Aww

[shrewd plaza]

now its +1 its nerfed

[warm flint]

https://tenor.com/view/spinosaurus-espinossauro-edit-dinossaur-edit-gif-1962089756733413334

I feel it deep within, i must confess that i feel like a monster!

[dusty vault]

already did 😭

[mint flame]

Bruh

[sweet linden]

Like it’s bad bad now

[elder fiber]

Sweeeeet!

[mint flame]

Somehow I felt this would happen in my heart so I did the crypt one.

They won't take the +3 from me that easily

[dusty vault]

Honestly I barely care about the stats but the visuals now being a nerf to my playstyle is what annoys me tbh.

[sweet linden]

Yeah that’s it

[mint flame]

That's fair, I liked the visuals too

[sweet linden]

It wasn’t even bis but now if I use it for funny flowers I hurt my build too much

[dusty vault]

Yeah it was probably mid at best in terms of all the available gear even at +3 everywhere. but now it is dumb to use it if you want to actually do stuff. 🙁

[full breach]

[mint flame]

True

[full breach]

Why i craft armors if enemys 2 hit me

[sweet linden]

Cogah ones outclassed them by a mile regardless so it makes it silly

[vivid hazel]

Fashun!

[mint flame]

Rip Prelude tasliman, you were a real one

[topaz zephyr]

cant Invite after patch

[lusty violet]

How do you get prelude honour talisman?

[shrewd plaza]

now we need tailsman transmog

[lime dune]

They need to drastically change how much faction exp you gain as the grinds too much

[full breach]

totem for armor hp when

[torpid yacht]

You are amazing, DE ❤️ Thank you!

[mint flame]

Real. Been doing t3 to t3 loop solo and it's pain, haven't even maxed my first syndicate

[dusty vault]

you were around in the early alpha that was subject to an account wipe 😅

[lusty violet]

Ah man, I didn't get my invite until p9 😭

[lime dune]

Im doing the same now haha

[vale shore]

character creation when?

[shut sigil]

No Mora's hand update 😭

[plush jasper]

thank for the gernade change omfg lol

[gaunt loom]

FR

the grenades were getting a bit ridiculous

[plush jasper]

now can they reduce the accuracy of the archer aoe they are crack shots with those things lol

[dusty vault]

you can replay the Warsong tale to re-create your character, but more options are in the works (in terms of hairstlye and face paint etc)

[plush jasper]

they lead there shots when you are running which is wild lol

[lime dune]

Skill issue

[neon cedar]

"Restored the Preludes Honour Talisman to its intended +1 bonus to each Virtue, matching its original Mote values."

Aw but i wanna wear the bird 🙁

Hope talismans get bestitching too in the future

[wise meadow]

archers sometimes even predict your position based on your path. their accuracy is impressive tbh

[strange stump]

do yall know much hours is the main quest is

[runic mulch]

"Fixed Tethren's Fellust to clarify that any consecutive attack applies the buff"

Are you being for real? Are we normalizing this? Are new bosses going to take into account this?

[cyan spoke]

I think it's just a wording change

[neon cedar]

probably already worked that way, just worded wrong

[mossy nacelle]

How do I go back to the top on mobile

[pseudo swallow]

I'd say if you know where to pick up the next fable, maybe 5-6 Max

[dusty vault]

https://discord.com/channels/998758139405029478/1443245780902346792 interact with this so it gains traction!

[cinder nebula]

Give everyone the preludes honor talisman… we are currently playing preludes, are we not 👁️

[strange stump]

i can't find any tutorials where can i find the fable

[forest saddle]

Wyld Pacts still unuseable boys?

[pseudo swallow]

Avakot.org

[neon cedar]

just go do the circade dungeon if after the stats

[cinder nebula]

Preludes honor is about the visual, not the stats

Until everyone gets it, it should stay merged and the effect not moved with transmog

[neon cedar]

well its why i suggested it should be thrown into the replication system with the p gs

[dawn junco]

Me podeis dar acceso para jugar las preludes ?

[cinder nebula]

Enough with the exclusive items… Steve said no fomo but preludes honor exists lol

[runic mulch]

No. Y Lee las reglas.

[dawn junco]

Voy perdon

[dusty vault]

did you open that post as a "ticket" in #1438224662344761345 if so can you link it ? Cause I as someone having it would love to share it that way!

[runic mulch]

Y disculpa si fui agresivo, lo de Tethren me tiene bien molesto
(We also need to talk in English here btw even if we have now a Spanish translation. Which I should check...)

[meager zodiac]

No Moras Hand changes? 😟

[dawn junco]

Dont worry 😌

[vital sorrel]

Those nades were the only hope the Sinecure had. 🤣

[neon cedar]

it was related to the bloom when it was a hot topic, so can probably search that way

[vital sorrel]

Gonna miss getting blown to bits as soon as I climb the last ladder in Kearnhold.

[tropic temple]

Starling buff is wild, I like it

[narrow hamlet]

💗

[tropic temple]

Hopefully greatswords get tuned a little better

[rich marsh]

Lol. That happened to me yesterday. It was funny but won't be missed

[tropic temple]

Is the wyld pact virtue bug fixed?

[clever wasp]

I wish there'd be some acknowledgement on the smite issue and that maybe it's a tough fix. But the radio silence on it is rough.

[tropic temple]

It’s such a damning bug too

[vital sorrel]

is this why my runes and sympathy aren't activating sometimes?

[forest saddle]

DE special

[clever wasp]

Mostly talking about the massive stat reduction they can cause. But I have noticed the issue with runes sometimes not activating as well.

[blazing geyser]

Agreeeeee

[blazing geyser]

Yeah, I agree with this so much, but we can only hope that talismans get bestiching for now 😞

[dusty vault]

#1443245780902346792 we have this in #1438224662344761345 to promote the wish for that feature.

[blazing geyser]

Lemme at it!

Done, +1 on that

[low basin]

#1445458040173236317

[blazing geyser]

All the changes and fixes in this hotfix are for real so cool and really good, but that Preludes Honour nerf is such a sore wound 😭

[next aurora]

whats preludes honor?

[blazing geyser]

Bird Talisman that leaves flowers with every step. That’s it, it was given to P7 account wipe surivors.

It had the same stats as Triune and Paragon Periapt so I really don’t understand the nerf

[next aurora]

i see thank you

[summer bobcat]

fix Ode tempest

[lost pike]

Let us drop bird talisman 🙁

[digital hill]

Buff paragon ???

[blazing geyser]

Sad Day for Flower steps users 😞

[sly wadi]

Decreased stopping distance of long and short blades, allowing Envoys to get closer when attacking. THANKS GOD !

[glad nova]

what happened??

[blazing geyser]

Nerfed to oblivion

[worldly jackal]

They nerfed the bonus stats on that early preludes wipe recompence necklace

[blazing geyser]

I guess it’s time to become a christmas light then
-# I’ll still miss my flower steps 😭

[glad nova]

so no more flowersteps?

[glad nova]

use the triune thing lol

[worldly jackal]

I think it still does the effect (I've never seen in person)?

[blazing geyser]

After using flower steps for so long, I can’t 😭

[glad nova]

then peeps can just wait for talisman transmog to be added

[worldly jackal]

I'll bet you that is why they would feel comfortable with the nerf to such a thing.

[blazing geyser]

It feels so out of place in this update tbh

but yeah, you make a solid point

[glad nova]

i mean they arent really intending to have anything prelude exclusive tho

[blazing geyser]

-# I will hold on to the hope that talisman transmog will save the day 😭

[worldly jackal]

It was my understanding that one thing was sacred.

[blazing geyser]

It is. Imagine playing and gathering stuff from the start then losing it all in a wipe.

How would u feel if u lost all the hours u put in

[worldly jackal]

Such things are expected in testing. It -is- part for the course. There can be no 'expectation' of DE making such a thing as really being in that early was in many ways a privilege unto itself. Including playing their mostly free game at all but ... It is generous of DE to devote resources to help balm that pain.

[blazing geyser]

I know, but I can’t remember if it came with a warning or not

[supple basin]

Did they fix sidearm exp?

[blazing geyser]

I mean it’s all sorted out now but that fear and PTSD leaves a lingering anxiety 🤣 Preludes Honours was given as recompense, and in the current state of the game, the +3 is not even game-breaking tbh, just a small salute to their early testers

[austere schooner]

Please fix the Wyld Pacts bug with negative damage after buffing or smiting. I really want to play the pacts but having my damage go from 100+ to 1-4 damage mid fight because I buffed myself or smited a foe sucks.

[pure lake]

Any one else having issues with dying and getting stuck out quest progressions

[whole chasm]

[hasty veldt]

Re: Preludes Honor nerf.. will Triune also be adjusted back to original values? Cause I always got the impression that Triune was supposed to be equivalent to Preludes Honor, just without the flowers.

[quaint spade]

Omg

We dont have axes

:C

How can we have a bear pact and no axes

[river frost]

I suck at discord how to I read the op

[whole chasm]

click on the up arrow on the top right corner

it will get you to the very top of the post

[river frost]

Hmm don’t see it on mobile

[blazing geyser]

Same thought, Then they’d also have to decrease paragon periapt to +1 if that’s the case

[sweet linden]

Yeah like if it’s for power reasons it makes sense to nerf the other easily obtained +3s

[blazing geyser]

Agreed

But it really just doesn’t make any sense

It wasn’t breaking the game, nor was it too OP for a talisman (knowing we have triune and periapt)

It was a bird sitting idly by giving us flower steps then it suddenly gets shanked 😭

[true minnow]

So much love for the grenade changes!

[sweet linden]

It wasn’t even mid tier and now it’s basically an empty slot

[blazing geyser]

Like that one rabbit cutscene in that game

[bleak echo]

"Increased scrollbar scrolling speed in UI menus." thaank yoou omg its been over a year
I love you guys

[blazing geyser]

It’s an annoying nerf fr 😭

[sweet linden]

Give us bestitching for it and the nerf no longer matters tho

[cunning stream]

Much yay

[blazing geyser]

Facts, we could use other stuff with better stats, but flower steps will need to be bestiched 😤

[tender moat]

@drowsy basalt

[sweet linden]

I already took a gear nerf to use it. But at that level I switched to paragon

[glad maple]

Well well well... im working and this happens...

More stagger damage on melee weapons, thank you. Please buff the paragon.

[hearty pasture]

JACKPOT

[blazing geyser]

Agreed, I used it because the flowers 😭 now if it’s not even enough to give any positives

[sweet linden]

Yeah only so many loss of stats before you can feel the “I should use this instead” vibe

[hybrid echo]

pipe down bro xD its a useless talisman

it has been nerfed to the ground, and even before that triune talisman or paragon periapt offered you the exact same thing xD

[sweet valve]

The talisman is useless. You can obtain a similar one in the game with better stats

It's just a cosmetic

[hybrid echo]

dw its his fomo screaming

[knotty eagle]

what is the similar talisman making a flower trail?

[hybrid echo]

it isnt a flower trail

sparks on your footsteps

nothing too noticable either

[sweet valve]

As I said, it's just cosmetic. It doesn't bring any "better stats" or "better gear"

[knotty eagle]

ah, which one?

[hybrid echo]

wdym which 1

[knotty eagle]

which talisman gives you sparks trail?

[hybrid echo]

preludes honor

not spark trails

spark footsteps

its so minute you'll barely notice it during gamepaly

[knotty eagle]

oh, which is the one that causes the flower trail? i'm mixing them up

[sweet valve]

Is there one? The only talismans who have a special effect are the prelude honor, the founder's talisman and maybe the new cogah talismans (I don't own them so I don't know)

[knotty eagle]

i've seen like a dozen players with a talisman that gives them a trail of flowers where they step, they said it was 'the bird one' which i assumed was preludes honour

[blazing geyser]

It is

[knotty eagle]

i'm really confused then

i was just told preludes honour was sparks, not flowers

[blazing geyser]

Bruh that wall of text 🤣

It’s a cosmetic talisman so chill out, your fomo is leaking

[blazing geyser]

Preludes Honours are Flowers, the sparks are paragon periapt

[hybrid echo]

only thing burning is you brother.

[blazing geyser]

Isnt it though?👀

[hybrid echo]

i mean it wasnt me who was bickering about not having a trash stat talisman let me remind you once more in case you cant read, A TRASH STAT TALISMAN

[knotty eagle]

personally only want talismans for cosmetic reasons as they all are trash stats

[hybrid echo]

and then saying "if i cant make the most op build" like ur not hitting -2.1 bil dmg cap with this one dawg xD

[blazing geyser]

We were already losing out on potential plus points on builds since it was just a +3 across all stats, which is the same as Triune or Periapt, mind you but we only used it for the flower steps

[sinful citrus]

Fashion IS the endgame, after all

[hybrid echo]

I am disagreeing but youre also wrong. xD youre not missing out on any damange on this one

[blazing geyser]

We disagree AND your argument is wrong. If you can’t take constructive criticism, maybe, just maybe don’t rant with a wall of text

[sweet valve]

Opinions are opinions exactly because someone can disagree with it, especially when that opinion cites misinformation

[hybrid echo]

and how is that undermining? if you werent lucky enough to be here before the founders you also dont deserve to get whatever item the earliest players get

i bet you also cried about the cursed flower because your payment went through with any issues

[sinful citrus]

Ah, how I missed the lootbox era of gaming (sarcasm)

[cursive anvil]

any tips before starting a solo cogah run?

[hybrid echo]

try not to die

and you should be fine

[blazing geyser]

My guy, you are sounding saltier with each message just cuz u didnt get a code before p7

[sweet valve]

Fully build your weapons and pact with totems and max rank them. Strategize and use the environment to your advantage since your healing options are limited. If you can't alone, bring a full squad from recruitment chat

[hard crypt]

Now we just need to fix ability scaling from virtue points

[sweet valve]

If you have oscelda, that's great for solo

[hard crypt]

Play oscelda

[modern vale]

yeah so this is just petty now

[knotty eagle]

this server is notably more hostile than the previous isn't it

[sinful citrus]

Statements like that really do hurt the genuine arguments against exclusivity, tbh

[hard crypt]

No..just a couple of people

[hybrid echo]

we all are petty arent we

[modern vale]

i mean, if you're willing to picture what i said and then parade it and laugh at me, that goes over pettiness and just makes you a definitely not 🤷

[shut creek]

How is the hotfix so far?

[thorny helm]

Crazy to me that you're bullying someone for being right. Having ANYTHING be exclusive in this game after DE just got done preaching about how they're not doing exclusivity is nuts. And Sacarem is right to be upset about it.

But shame on you for bullying them for it. Seriously.

[thorny helm]

I'm talkng to you

[hybrid echo]

right so debating is bullying now

got it

[blazing geyser]

another one

[hybrid echo]

and im talking to you

[modern vale]

that's not what you did just then though lol

[hybrid echo]

i couldve kept the ss up but i figured why bother

[modern vale]

you don't get to take the moral high ground after that lmao

you're not a saint

[hybrid echo]

takes like this are a regular on this server because some guy missed that one thing that affects nothing in terms of gameplay and cant just help cry about it

[hybrid echo]

told ya im petty

taking no moral high ground

[thorny helm]

You straight up posted someone's message and called it the wall of shame. Grow up dude. Regardless of whether or not DE is being hypocritical on exclusivity is besides the point. You brought it to a personal level and that was wrong of you.

[hybrid echo]

and i deleted it too. so pipe down

[modern vale]

that doesn't matter, the fact you were willing to and did go to that level speaks volumes about your character

[sinful citrus]

It isn't as much explicitly a problem with the exclusivity of Preludes' Honour/Cursed Flower as it is with the way their introduction and propagation have been handled. There are players who have been paying attention, signed up for Preludes since the very first announcement... And never had the ability to earn either item.

And DE's introduced a brilliant system for owners of exclusive items to hand out versions with the owners' names on them. I'd love to see that put to more use.

[sweet valve]

It's ok to discuss about items being exclusive but what Sacarem was arguing about was plain misinformation.
He was talking about the talisman having a stronger effect than any talisman and that in the future, people without it wouldn't reach the level of people that have it.

[hybrid echo]

thank you

[blazing geyser]

This

[modern vale]

and despite conceding that they were correct and i was not that doesn't mean they're entitled to plaster my original comment and make fun of me over it

[hybrid echo]

you were bold enough to defend it, be bold enough to embrace it

[blazing geyser]

People wouldn’t react this way if it was just venting about not having that talisman, but the latter part of that wall of text was spreading lies and misinformation, which no one should ever condone.

[hard crypt]

We still talking about this?

[hybrid echo]

apparently

[sinful citrus]

I do believe we should be talking about how DE still hasn't given me a rock to hit Oden with instead.

[velvet cliff]

dumb XD go t ouch grass yall

[hybrid echo]

i was saying that we need different sound effects for the paragon and the needleseye

[hard crypt]

Idgaf if its exclusive or not..whats so special about this talisman

[hybrid echo]

bro spaced the touch xD

crazy

[knotty eagle]

unique cosmetic effect

[blazing geyser]

Nothing tbh, just flower steps 🤣

[modern vale]

no now we're on about how 4evr is a oof for parading my original comment and being a nope about it, so really 4evr is responsible for it continuing

[blazing geyser]

Stats wise, ur better off with the new Faction ones

[sinful citrus]

In a game about nature triumphing over polution, let me just pick up a rock off the ground and use it as a weapon. It even makes sense for throwing purposes :D

[hard crypt]

Thats it ?

[thorny helm]

Dude. not cool. Chill out

[velvet cliff]

💀 what about it, you discord mod

[hybrid echo]

i aint the one crying over it bro you and vyzex still dragging this xD

[knotty eagle]

a lot of people play this kind of game for collecting cosmetics & making outfits yeah

[sinful citrus]

Imagine the satisfying clunk of rock hitting metal helmet.

[thorny helm]

Bottom line is y'all need to stay focused on the topic and stop taking it beyond that

[shut creek]

this... your onto something xD

[thorny helm]

Just be kind with each other

[hybrid echo]

anyway, gonna put on my preludes honor talisman and run around with the most op gear in the game, cyall later

[sinful citrus]

They could even let us skip stones on the water in nightfold :D

[blazing geyser]

Youre slowly getting yourself banned from the server for posting that comment with those words in a public thread channel, you know 👀

[hard crypt]

Then tough luck they weren't here when it was available..neither was i and idc ...im playing the game to play the game..not to collect pixels....my character isn't even wearing anything

[hybrid echo]

you know what, im gonna transmog no clothes

[hard crypt]

Lmao

[knotty eagle]

you are entitled to your opinion on exclusivity too ofc 👍🏼

[hybrid echo]

but only after de lets me change gender

[signal cave]

Seems so petty to get rid of the buff on the bird, why would they nerf that it didn't harm anything

[sinful citrus]

Bit of a reductionist mindset, tbf
The game has a compendium for a reason, it and Warframe are both absolutely collect-a-thons at heart (at least, so far for Soulframe)

[blazing geyser]

It was just a smol birb minding its own business 😭

[sinful citrus]

And Fashion being the endgame it is, to boot

[hybrid echo]

i mean yeah i feel like they should keep it +3 for all, or give us transmog

either should be fine

[signal cave]

yeah

transmog would be fine with me

[daring dome]

peak

[hard crypt]

I suppose but the game is on alpha and has plenty of things to collect still amd more to come as the game is quite literally NOT FINISHED

[sinful citrus]

Which is why it's a bit strange there are so many non-founders' exclusives popping up already, especially ones that apply to such fringe circumstances

[next aurora]

what's with the entitlement going on here, it's ok not having everything, that's life, get over it

[thorny helm]

The compendium makes the game have a collector feel to it, which is likely why the topic of the exclusive talisman gets under peoples' skin

[cyan imp]

non founders exclusives? wym

[signal cave]

Yeah it is nice to feel a bit special having been there early on filing bugs, and having to relearn the game multiple times. Also losing motes which were cool.

[sinful citrus]

From a fashionframe perspective, the flower ephemera being locked behind essentially lucking out just feels bad.

The game's whole thing is wildlife and natural beauty.

[knotty eagle]

fairly sure lots of people lost all their motes without compensation, no?

[thorny helm]

From what I am seeing, the issue stems from only having access to that point in the game coming from the access code lottery

[sinful citrus]

I lost all my motes with no compensation when they removed motes after P9 lol

Someone else said it in another thread, but compensation for resets/the founder's pack payment issues being arcs would've made for a lot more sense and a lot less saltiness

[hybrid echo]

same with cursed flowers.

i dont condone exclusive compensation because then theres always someone who will be bothered about it, sometimes i am too i'll admit it

but then again

its just a game

[signal cave]

I don't care about who gets it now vs then I care about the nerf

[thorny helm]

Good point here, sounds like "luck" is playing into the exclusivity. You had to be lucky enough to get access in order to get the talisman, and you had to be "lucky" enough to get the curse for the extra flower

[sweet valve]

This game is made by the same developers of Warframe.

With time, systems change and get reworked and old relics of old systems will be available to people who play from before. Just like Vay Hek beacon.

Soulframe is already heading this road since there are already some old relics not being obtainable anymore in the game but that remain in player's inventory. I will never believe that this game is going to never have some exclusive objects, even if not fashion related

[blazing geyser]

Totally unnecessary nerf tbh

[hard crypt]

Back in my day I had to walk to school up hill BOTH WAYS

[signal cave]

People can't raid anymore in warframe, I have tons of exclusive cosmetics from warframe that are no longer availabel

[hybrid echo]

yep, arcs would have been a fine compensation as you dont get anything exclusive but you get the premium currency with which you can buy stuff

[signal cave]

You had to be there I guess

arcs would make sens

[sinful citrus]

I mean, non-fashion/gameplay related exclusives like that, serving as relics of the past, are fine by me, just
Why did it have to be the flower ephemera 🥹

[thorny helm]

I'm not complaining lol. Just kind of drawing conclusions

[blazing geyser]

that insignia 👀

[coarse valley]

I much prefer exclusive cosmetics over premium currencying being handed out

[hard crypt]

I know im just having fun

[hybrid echo]

it comes with chaos, but who said chaos isnt good?

[thorny helm]

W idea. Then if the mad players are mad enough, they'll spend $$ (which supports the game)

[signal cave]

Yeah the only thing that should be exclusive is cosmetics. Anything that is game related should be farmable

[coarse valley]

It doesn't come with chaos. Most people are fine with it.

[hybrid echo]

wont be exclusive then

[hybrid echo]

apparently not dude xD

[coarse valley]

We have a very few people on repeat

[sweet valve]

Well I hope that in the future they will make another talisman with the flower ephemera. I mean, on warframe we got the backpack that was available to people who bought the tennocon ticket, just with a different design

[coarse valley]

Hardly most of the player base

[signal cave]

It seems like 3 or 4 people are mad they don't have the cosmetic and the people with it are mad that it got nerfed

[shut creek]

It's really important to remember this game is NOT EVEN CLOSE to finished. DE has done exclusive items in the past and have gotten lots of pushback about it (look at Mag and Frost Heirloom.) But both are true. When someone pays for something, some hope to get something in return, and some just want give. But the same is true, and is not condescending to say at all... if you weren't there at the time of it happening, you dont get that item, same goes in actual life. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, welcome to the free world, if you don't like their opinion, its not always necessary to make it known.

[coarse valley]

How did cursed flowers get nerfed?

[hard crypt]

Issue is the talisman also gives 3 stat of all the virtues...3 spirit courage and grace which is better than every other talisman as well so its not just the best looking one but the better stats as every build has use for all 3 stats ....which makes people weird about fomo

[blazing geyser]

It’s mostly the nerf tbh

[sinful citrus]

Hopefully either that or they take the Paragon GS route

[blazing geyser]

We have the triune and periapt with the same exact stats

[sweet valve]

That's also a great idea

[hybrid echo]

there are 2 talisman that exists right now that does the exact same job xD

[blazing geyser]

Why they nerf just the birb 😭

[coarse valley]

Oh the talsman. The funny thing is that the stats mostly do nothing

Scaling is near non-existent for all most all abilities

[hard crypt]

Oh nice

[hard crypt]

What the bird do?

[thorny helm]

Exclusivity in digital goods doesn't make a whole lot of sense though. Look at how NFTs ended up lol

[blazing geyser]

Flower Steps

[coarse fiber]

It feels like DE said “we don’t want to repeat Warframe’s exclusivity,” but then added Prelude Honour, Cursed Bloom and the Garden race – which are doing exactly that, causing divisions and toxicity.

What people need now isn’t more arguing between players, it’s a clear DE statement on whether this level of exclusivity is intentional so everyone knows what to expect and can move on.

[sinful citrus]

I know I've said it a lot but I'm going to say it again: The way DE is handling the Paragon is absolutely PEAK.

[hard crypt]

Thought that was the talisman not the bird

[blazing geyser]

The talisman is the bird

[hybrid echo]

Hard agree

[hard crypt]

Interesting

[worldly jackal]

Clarity: The talisman is shaped like a bird.

[coarse valley]

NFTs are a bit different because it was a scam selling digital items as if they were unique collector items that would increase in value over time. When in reality they were worthless and not unique.

[sinful citrus]

The way they're letting everyone win with the Paragon is neat.
Founders get the original version, and to farm copies to trade off.
Non-founders get the version with the founder's name on it.
DE (presumably) gets money from peeps buying arcs to trade for Paragon Greatswords.

[thorny helm]

Yeah I was just comparing the absurdity in digital good exclusivity. That was the selling point for NFTs and it's the hot topic for the talisman

[blazing geyser]

They could also do the same for Preludes Honours 👀

Just a thought

[hybrid echo]

not a bad take at all

[blazing geyser]

Right? Now no one will get fomo’d

[sinful citrus]

It'd be the best way to distribute em now, downright
Let PH owners farm em somehow and offer em for trade when the time comes to implement that

The traded versions will of course be [Original Owner's Name]'s Honour :P

[worldly jackal]

Focusing on a single minor thing you do not have will steal away tons of your time and energy that could be better directed to your own happiness.

[shut creek]

Agreed, but i would say NFT's are a different story. This specific founders pack is honoring and thanking the people the helped fund the game's development. And even then, there isnt much exclusivity with this because everyone can eventually get the items except the flower.

[thorny helm]

We also don't know if DE will redistribute at the end of preludes, since it has prelude in the name. Best option is to not be too concerned with the right now, as we just have an alpha

[blazing geyser]

Facts! Let me go and max out my courage reattuned dewelion

[thorny helm]

I think the talisman is what has more people concerned, but I could be wrong

[sinful citrus]

I won't truly be happy until I can throw a reasonably-sized man-portable rock at Oden ingame.

[pseudo swallow]

Technically that is something reasonably-sized you don't have.

So feel free to fixate

[sinful citrus]

Grabbing a rock from the local creek and staring at it for hours to manifest Soulframe rock weapon

Pondering my stone

[pseudo swallow]

A magick weapon that's just earthbending is honestly pretty likely.

[sinful citrus]

Aye, I'll drink to that.

[jolly zephyr]

my rump thump does no damage for bromius pact, is that a bug or is that normal

[pseudo swallow]

I think that's your sign to do some squats

[jolly zephyr]

ohh how do u do that

is that new?

[bitter remnant]

lol wut

[thorny helm]

I'm pretty sure it scales with armor

[jolly zephyr]

ohh okay thank you!

[sinful citrus]

It scales with armor and courage, though armor moreso

[stray pelican]

what is this preludes honor and why do i not have it, could it be a bug

[pseudo swallow]

It's a talisman that makes flowers where you walk. I believe you had to be in for a certain prelude and have your progress wiped at least once

[stray pelican]

ah ive had no wipe, yea fair enough

[stray pelican]

you could say the same thign about most playstation/nintendo games these days, you could technically call them nfts, especially when sony/nintendo are trying to push away from having physical copies of games

[wanton pebble]

Thank god, those grenades were so bad

[sweet linden]

and there were a lot of account wipes

[pseudo swallow]

Yep. Which is why I'm happy there is a "thanks for playing" cosmetic (that I don't have, fwiw).

I'm a TTRPG designer, and that involves a lot of community back and forth, people investing creative and technical effort for no benefit, especially when there's a knowing Sisyphean boulder of account wipes coming to hit you. The least people can expect is a public "thanks for helping build the game." It's just an acknowledgement.

[sweet linden]

Its also why I'm glad they gave a funny flower to people who had payments stuck in limbo. Do I want one? yes. But like, I get what its for

[blazing geyser]

Bring back the +3 for birb talisman please 😭

Or at least talisman transmog

Either works

[pseudo swallow]

Talisman transmog sidesteps inane argument of "if it's just a meaningless cosmetics, why do you care about virtue parity with meta picks". My vote is that.

[blazing geyser]

I’m kinda confused

[merry grove]

I +1 to this, or well rather the second part of adding a transmog for the talisman, like I want the bonus stats from the talismans but I wanna have the cute birb look for the preludes honor talisman.

Also I'm also still waiting for a fix of ressources sometimes disappearing after you got them or for example bought them from Avakot.
That and the XP bars for for example Children of Alca being shown wrongly, after every quest or at daytime change it always shows me that I have +20k standing even tho I just did the rankup or bought something for standing

[inner breach]

You get a lot more in high level zones

[inner breach]

I thought that was fixed this patch?

Have you replicated the bug post patch?

[merry grove]

did I overread it? If I did then pretend I did not say a thing

[jaunty merlin]

what's with the grenades?

[proud sedge]

1150 at max ? Its still to low compared to the required for rank up and gears. You'll need to do the max lvl 70 times to get to max rank.

Before the rework, its 50x to max rank

[quick shore]

It was agreed that it would not be reproduced. It is really out of print. As a result, there are two out-of-print versions before the public beta.

[inner breach]

The part about misc resources disappearing

[inner breach]

I mean, that’s not that bad

For a long term game that’s actually short

[proud sedge]

I think the problem is not that they are grindy.
The problem is that they said that they will rework it to be less grindy, then actually doing the opposite in P12. Its kinda misleading if you ask me.

[queen lark]

I find it okay to be grindy, as long as there's some more variety to the ways of grinding (like, maybe something daily with an extra more difficult step, like a tweaked boss for example, or weekly with idk, co-op compulsory component, inviting to play along even more, and only missing out on an extra reputation source if not), rather than perma-spamming short quests

[proud sedge]

Agree with this ^
Even in warframe, you can gain syndicate standing by doing anything. Not just syndicate mission.

[sand needle]

Did anyone elses weapon get deranked? I had my weapon at rank 30 before the hotfix now it is 25 again. Also it feels like after this hotfix catching the whisps to kill the tree guys got "harder". Sometimes my character just doesn't want to to anything even though I point my cursor on the whisp.

[sweet linden]

we do need other ways. Like I'm fine if the fastest way is factions, but give us a slight bonus for doing other content. It could be as low as 5% of the value and I think we'd be fine

[gaunt loom]

it is kinda hard to hit the daily cap as it is rn unless you wanna spend hours doing t3 tales.

[hollow glacier]

W devs as always

The grenade changes are HUGE

[icy mesa]

The weapon experience has been patched? we no longer have the issue of having to change weapons to continue leveling up?

[queen sonnet]

I played for a long time tonight and I did not notice my unused side-arm leveling up.

[icy mesa]

Yes, so they didn't even patch the biggest one...

[cursive horizon]

You know, if you play Slayer's Raining Blood over this video, it becomes 100x funnier.

[tidal silo]

w patch

[sonic knot]

Thanks DE, very cool, so can you add some other way to still enjoy the visual effect and not lose it if I want to use any other talisman with better practical effects?

I know this affects like the three dozen of us who have been around that long but at least when it was the same stats as the Paragon Periapt it didn't feel like a loss to have it on

[winter cove]

Still wondering when the smite bug is getting patched

[tropic temple]

honestly? i literally do not know what this was done for

i feel like DE's fear of creating another situation that can instill a sense of fomo in people is making them move backwards in some ways :/

[sonic knot]

I wouldn't care if it had no stats and was only cosmetic (ephemera type beat), as long as I have some way to equip it without feeling like I'm just kneecapping myself for wanting to use it

[delicate condor]

warframe code seeping trough? if u place a ping precicely enough on the map it will ping wevetwood sap, the location ping in world is extremely wonky, and the icon looks hilarious in the navigation bar uptop

on another note, instead of having to redo the crypt 3 times to get the trinune talisman, it was possible to do the circade puzzle with the paragon talisman equipped (possibly due to it also have +3 for every stat?) thus gaining the circade armour without all the fuss of doing the crypt 3 times and killing the boss in the correct location

[steel fulcrum]

You do not need the talisman for the armor puzzle, those are two unrelated puzzles.

[steel fulcrum]

True tbh. It functions just fine as a Triune equivalent, same as Periapt, so idk why they nerfed it into being a loss to have on.

[blazing geyser]

Right???

[delicate condor]

Must have missremembered my bad

[summer bobcat]

Nothing matters more right now than pact balance and combat. Some pacts need to be entirely reworked soulframe is much different now than it was in early preludes.

[sinful citrus]

Some pact abilities straight-up not working on bosses just feels bad.

Especially when they only have three to begin with.

[summer bobcat]

Also ode tempest turned into a cosmetic. I only use it so that the rest my armour looks cool

[pseudo swallow]

I'm in agreement. Even comparing it to early WF, I'm not enthused by the offerings.

Thematically cool, but some abilities need whole overhauls.

[worldly jackal]

Oh yea this is so much less than a pistol and a glaive. Get out of here with this generic attack.

[pseudo swallow]

I think the Pacts are both the things with the highest potential, and the things under delivering right now.

Currently I find the offerings of weapons to be mechanically interesting in play but utterly undeserving of our attention.

I like that MR requires utilizing the weapon, and I have discovered an enjoyment for weapons I wouldn't have ever tried, but the attunement levels just immediately kills 2/3 of weapons from contention.

What's ironic is the bows feel the most samey with the current alt-fire. A company with significant gunplay differentiation history can't make the bows feel different. The best bow feels good to play. But it'll be the only one I ever use, until they release the next one that's better.

We're going to need some improvements there for this game to have the intended depth of WF.

[worldly jackal]

I feel like you care comparing this infancy of SF to the current state of WF. Ignoring how simplistic and long ago early WF was.

You also suggest weapons are interesting, and in the same breath dismiss them as undeserving. You do this without any comparison or basis, just stating it is.

[pseudo swallow]

Possibly. But you can't help but notice shortcomings in design. I'm not looking for breadth of content, simply forethought in design that inspires confidence rather than worry.

In actuality. It should be easier to differentiate four weapons of the same class at this state of them game, whereas New design space has to be invented later when everything starts feeling the same once more.

you have a prototypical version and then each iteration to improve upon that differentiation in different directions.

So this would be the state of the game where stuff feels the most differentiated.

[worldly jackal]

Can you pick a specific thing to state is not good and why, instead of these vague blanket statements?

"All of this is bad. It is not good enough. It should be better."

[lone venture]

if you didnt ask that i was gonna

[pseudo swallow]

I said it before. Bows weapon feel a little samey. They have the same alt fire. They've limited their design space pretty explicitly with the choice to make the heavy fire for all weapons (of the same class) fairly similar.

[lone venture]

that was the same case in warframe though?

[worldly jackal]

I wonder how all rifles and glaives felt early into WF.

These are the first three bows in a game that will likely have dozens or hundreds.

One is made for each attunment.

((i think there is no spirit yet)) .oO( MMmm magic bow... )

[celest flame]

from what i've played the last few days, came back to soulframe in preludes 12, I think the weapons are pretty insteresting but I don't see the point if I can just one shot everything with bromius

[worldly jackal]

In WF you can one shot whole rooms with some builds/warframes. They find ways to send enough enemies to make that still not enough to win alone, until you get OP with steel path stuff.

[pseudo swallow]

Yes, but many many primary weapons in Warframe had a different cadence, fire rate, magazine size, damage type. Even just sounding different matters to the effect on your play.

And you might bring up that we may have more unique weapons in the future, but my concern is that structuring game systems around weapons that don't necessarily have any variety into how they actually feel to play will lock them into certain design choices like the heavy attack is always Arrow rain, for example

[worldly jackal]

There have to be early generic ones or the later neat ones don't have a comparison.

If everything glows to 11, nothing does.

[lone venture]

thats something they can change in the future, its gonna be hard if you want every weapon to be unique

also warframe has a ton of generic weapons in the past as well

that never get touched

[pseudo swallow]

Sure and then if the next 6 months there's a bow that has a power shot that goes through enemies or shoots three arrows at a time or lights the ground on fire we're in business.

I just know they ultimately have less design space to make these weapons feel unique because they are a action adventure game rather than a shooter, so I want to see that creativity and commitment to making these weapons not feel samey earlier rather than later.

For what it's worth, I think the bows feel great to play. But will they feel interesting to play after 200 hours? Probably lol, I really like headshots.

[worldly jackal]

Have you tried magic weapons?

Greatsword?

[pseudo swallow]

Yes. Currently the Alder and the founder Sidearm. They feel slightly different.

[worldly jackal]

And yet they are mostly the same in a lot of respects as the bows are

That isn't the point though

Do they feel better to use?

It could just be you don't like bow combat in this game so far and maybe something will be more appealing.

[pseudo swallow]

I Feel like you may not be reading me, friend. I started with Sirin And I said I liked it. I was only worried that if all of the weapons that feel and look the same to use also don't have much breadth in the way you utilize them, it's going to feel worse over time because novelty is part of what makes these experiences fun.

Earlier I called out animations and sound design as an element that facilitates that differentiation and gives you that quality diversity of experience. The alder in that sidearm feel a little bit different to use, on top of sounding and looking different.

[worldly jackal]

Let me add that while I enjoy bows in many games, and in WF, the way the ones here work haven't grabbed me and I have stuck to Melee and Magic.

I feel like most folk issue is an expectation of things to be farther along than they are at ths point. Everything you are suggesting should be, willl likely be.

The way you come across is that it wont ever and the game is in need of 'overhaul', though your later arguments have become more reasonable.

[celest flame]

I feel like the diversity will come with new stuff, no? wanting every single starter weapon to feel different seems a bit much

[lone venture]

specially since this is also that mastery system where their is a lot of fodder weapons right now

[pseudo swallow]

I'll see how the 15 swords feel at some point. But if they've taken the time to model 15 swords, they should probably Ensure that there's a point to having them other than Mastery

[celest flame]

they do have a lot of swords XD

[pseudo swallow]

And I just can see how this game could easily feel like Mastery is even less worth the grind than in other games because weapons of a similar class feels so similar

[worldly jackal]

You will find most of the long blades work exactly the same with some minor flavor differences like Igne Mora does fire and a couple others have other features that may or may not be apparent.

[lone venture]

unfortunately the master ties to the stats right now unless they are changing that later

[worldly jackal]

You only need a pair of level 30 weapons, with runes, and a set of decent armor to do Cogah. You can get that in a hand full of Envoy levels.

[pseudo swallow]

Personally, I see that as a good thing. If they're going to have Mastery it should have tangible benefits for investing time in. But the weapons just can't be foddered. The game is too early in development to fall into the same trap that Warframe did. And that's why I'm calling for diversity and experience from all these weapons that may not have anything visually, tactically, or experientially that make them worth thinking about outside of the MR.

[lone venture]

wait that was needed... i should stop using the bow in cogah......

its un leveled

xd

[worldly jackal]

I said weapon generically :P

[lone venture]

the totems and runes help a lot

[worldly jackal]

oh

[lone venture]

i do like how the totems and runes change the gameplay

specially the new runes

[worldly jackal]

Less buffers stats will make it harder. Two other envoys will make it easier.

Totems change tons, with added defenses and smite features, changing the speed of combat...

[lone venture]

for sure

[worldly jackal]

My great sword hits everyone who isn't the target nearby for 35% of the damage, and it does extra stagger.
Because of a few totems that I got by taming nearby fauna with my flute.

[lone venture]

i do understand why theirs not a 4th person for a reason

[worldly jackal]

RGB puzzles

[digital hill]

Hey everyone, am I the only one who thinks The Paragon desperately needs a buff?

It’s a greatsword, yet it deals less damage than the Marrow Bane.
Paying $100 for this is honestly ridiculous. The weapon looks amazing, but it’s basically unusable…

At the very least, it should have stats on par with Purity.

And please don’t bring up its “bonus” — +120 damage only after stacking Chastise three times is just not worth it.

BUFF PARAGON PLEASE!

[worldly jackal]

Your Paragaon Greatsword is level 30 with rune and totems? Same as your Marrow Bane? Screenshots?

[digital hill]

Okay, I'll send it to you.

@worldly jackal

Both weapons are under the same conditions and I didn’t equip any runes or totems. Besides, runes and totems don’t directly affect attack stats anyway.

[worldly jackal]

Fleau de la Moelle has 3 Mora(Courage) attunement, so it gets more points for mora virtune points than Le Paragon.

Le Paragon (i don't have one so excuse if wrong) appears to have 1 point worth of each of the three virtunes.

I would think that then to maximize it you would need to set your virtues all to similar numbers. Does it get higher damage if you take some points from Courage and put them into Spirit?

[digital hill]

I'll try it and send you a screenshot.

[worldly jackal]

Try to make all three virtues the same value

[digital hill]

it doesn't change anything

[worldly jackal]

Down, though only slightly.

[digital hill]

If you look at Purity, it has insane stats compared to Paragon.

[worldly jackal]

It is giving lower numbers than the sparrow tales greatsword with the same amount of stat point into the appropriate stat. And your Purity is clearly getting more points due to the attunement as well.

[digital hill]

What’s the point of using a slow greatsword if it deals less damage than a fast sword?

[lone venture]

i thought purity was also a greatsword?

[digital hill]

It’s a two-handed sword—I was talking about Marrow Bane in the message just above.

[worldly jackal]

Maybe it needs a buff, i know there are feedback threads about the Greatsword in the #1438224662344761345 section you might want to add to but let me give you this thought:

In WF there are many weapons where the paper doll/character sheet damage number is much lower than similar weapons, but because of some mechanic of feature it has it becomes stronger than its contemporaries.

There is a mod in WF called "Serration" it adds flat damage. When you get to Steel Path you take this flat damage off to add some multiplicitive modification in its place. On your paper doll the damage number goes down distressingly low...

...but then the enemies melt when you use it cause of [feature]. I am pretty sure the Paragon reacts in positive way to smiting enemies. Could you try watching your damage before and after smiting, even with a rune un-equpiped so you are only getting the sword effect (if any)?

... is wore it had some like faster recharge of powers or other bonuses it got. Someone?

[digital hill]

I’m a hardcore Warframe player; I’ve already done this kind of test.

[worldly jackal]

Did you find whatever the bonus is that it gets when you smite something and its gem(s) light up? Does it get a bigger bonus if you smite all three virtue flavors?

Could you consider that maybe it wasn't worth buying the paragon pact just for this sword and that one of the other great swords is just better for you and thus you would want to use what works best for you?

The preorder stuff is not "The best for all time" or even the best of anything. The armor is not the strongest armor in game.

[mellow kite]

just wait.. DE did a great job in min-max/building in a a "aim > Shoot game.... just a matter of time.

[worldly jackal]

[Unfinished Alpha early entry game]
"Ten years of balancing and polishing now!"
::looks at beautiful game we have so far::
"...yea. It's in there. Even if you can't see it."

[digital hill]

I never said it had to be the best, at least equivalent, it's just not as good!

[worldly jackal]

It's going to be better.

[digital hill]

Thanks for your reply, I'll go check the feedback.

[pseudo swallow]

Rude. I only want like 6 months more polish now, thank you very much. Lol

For real, I just want evidence of expanded design space within weapon classes when we already have too many do-nothings

[worldly jackal]

I'm just having faith in them, and trying to use it to ward off the nay saying from those too impatient.
Game isn't perfect. Lots of things aren't where they will be when the dust clears.

I feel expressions of undirected dissatisfaction at the whole do more damage than good. Constructive critizism is accepted here, by the devs. Sometimes they ask for it.

[sinful citrus]

The orbs on the Founder's Pack weapons that light up empower heavy attacks, that's it.

They don't even empower throws or flyblades' spinning move that replaces its heavy attack

[worldly jackal]

I heard they improved virtue regeneration too. Empower heavy attacks how much?

[sinful citrus]

Not a clue, not really a math guy so I wouldn't know the exact amount

But I know they do

You can test it, they disappear after a heavy attack

[wheat smelt]

https://tenor.com/view/silksong-basketball-ice-dunk-hornet-gif-3999940650987546913

[worldly jackal]

heh... I can't cause I don't have one. I can bet you can smite up to 3 times, if each orb in the sword lights up from its respective smite type. I wonder if the heavy attack bonus increases with the number of them you fill or if one or all get used per swing. I feel like folk haven't explored the sword enough before labeling it not-good.

[pseudo swallow]

In what way is "Devs, we need more of X to not get bored by Y" not constructive criticism.

I mean, your policing of my feedback has allowed me to elucidate, so it's still providing more context to anyone that reads, but I don't think policing criticism with "let them cook" helps the process.

[worldly jackal]

⬆️

[pseudo swallow]

Alright. All my feedback will be treatise from now on. Sorry everyone else

[worldly jackal]

I feel like we made peace back a this point?
I was only speaking of the early generic attack that you very much clarified and discussed reasonably after being called out.

[pseudo swallow]

You right. Summoned myself back into the chat in attack mode for no reason lol. Took that as pointed .

My b

Gotta practice that charitable listening lol

[worldly jackal]

No bad blood here friend.

Though I am hoping other Envoy reading this will glean something positive from the exchange.

[signal elk]

Tethren needs not a nerf.

That ridiculous mindset brought so much issues and troubles back in warframe.

"Oh my choice of equipment is lame. Lets nerf the other and make them all lame".

Thats not balancing and not improvement is just worsening the gameplay loop and extra forcing a META that shouldnt be there in the first place.

[steel fulcrum]

Fellust needs adjustment, that's just true.

It and Rump Thump can allow you to one-tap Cogah bosses.

Both need tweaking, the pacts are otherwise pretty balanced outside of Sirin lagging a little.

[bitter remnant]

Pretty please super consider another hot fix today if you guys/DE can manage it! It would be greatly appreciated! Asking sincerely/politely/nicely! 🙂

[sick hedge]

Tuvalkane's set fragments still haven’t dropped from the Ode Cannons or any other place

[worldly jackal]

You might want to specify what it is you want fixed.
||The things they listed above have already been implemented.||

[meager zodiac]

Cogah Faction Tasks are the solution, multiply by 2 the gains, exactly as warframe steelpath

Half the grind / Double difficulty seems fair for me

[bitter remnant]

Some of the stuff in bug tracking or feedback tracking? there's a long list LOL

[worldly jackal]

Then I must kindly ask you not whip or prod the programmers. It makes them irritable and less productive.
Patience my friend, they are more upset about things not working than you. Thousands of people are breathing down their necks right now.

[bitter remnant]

I am absolutely on #team positive polly!

[livid vale]

Me and my girl both went from 18k reputation points to 8,3k is this a known issue?

[plucky birch]

did you spend some, ranking up and buying items in the faction store use the same point pool

[livid vale]

Nope, did not spend anything. Went to sleep with 18k. Woke up with 8,3

But it still showed in the mission rewards tab after the mission today that we do have 18k. So idk whats going on. When we complete a mission it states the amount correctly but when we go to the faction leader, there's just 8k

[vapid osprey]

in the quest/day recap it says 18k but not with faction leader

[plucky birch]

it shows you how much you earned in the daily recap? faction leader saying something else...did you choose to "rank up" at all?

ranking up uses points

[livid vale]

I understand the system, same as in warframe. But that's not the case here. Ranked up. Reached zero. Farmed reputation all the way to 18k. Did not spend any of said 18k

[wanton coyote]

ranking up technically doesn't consume the points, it just makes them unavailable

so if you have 18k points, it'll list only 8k in the menu because the first two rankups are at 5k and 10k

[livid vale]

After the rank up, the bar at on the recap screen went back to zero. We went to 1k. 2k. 5k. 10k. All the way to 18k AFTER the rank up. I understand what you mean but we both collected 18k AFTER the rank up. So that's the issue i'm sitting on

[wanton coyote]

last time I did a tale it said I have 32k, going to alca's children lists 2k points. it's just how it works.

I think you might just be misremembering

[plucky birch]

Dont get me wrong I think it needs to be cleaned up and more clear but I agree this sounds like you got 2 ranks and it's just that difference in the full day recap vs what's available

For example since I'm rank 5, whenever I get faction points it always says 80,000 when I spend points my points available is always what the faction tale said minus 80,000.

[covert rampart]

what are the stats now on Wyld Tethren Armour?

[winter cove]

Cool strawman argument.

Just about everything is viable buddy. That is not my logic at all because my build is fun, nothing lame about it.

I'm not even saying this about tethren specifically, but as a whole right, if one thing is obviously superior to all other options.. perhaps it should be more in line with everything else.

It's not really a crazy take.

[sinful citrus]

Given the precedent of Ode Tempest, I believe people are mostly just scared Tethren will similarly be overnerfed.

[winter cove]

Which is reasonable, but it doesn't have to be so black and white. People seem to take very extreme stances when it comes to balance, likely due to worry that it will affect their favorite thing, when it doesn't have to be that way.

@mortal hawk anything productive to add to the conversation, or are you just disagreeing to disagree?

[mortal hawk]

My x was productive, thanks

[winter cove]

So no.

Okay

Have a nice evening

[agile pulsar]

nice fix

2 electric bomb at a time

[tropic temple]

i love tethren but it needs to be rebalanced

fellust is too good

literally just dialing back it's 1 and making it's 2 and 3 better

[sinful citrus]

Tbh, making Fellust lose the stacking damage if you switch targets would probably make it a good bit less ridiculous

Makes it a bit less ridiculous for crowd-clearing and enforces a single-target elimination niche

[tropic temple]

i'm not going to pretend that like, i'm an expert on game balancing and honestly i am indifferent at the end of the day because yes it's fun 2 shotting every boss

but fellust's strength genuienly makes the other 2 skills not even worth using

[tropic temple]

i like this

reminds me of thundercrash titan in destiny

[sinful citrus]

Could probably also dial down the bonus damage a bit, tbh

[tropic temple]

you're a missile for one guy and that's that

[sinful citrus]

But keep it good enough that landing all your hits on one target feels good

[tropic temple]

again i LOVE fellust, it is too good lol

[tropic temple]

seeing the health chunk get bigger and bigger each hit feels so good

i love it on sword, on bow it's a little disconnected because the bosses are typically slow and massive (i hate you stag. i hate you.)

and like hitting bow shots on etheldred isn't bad at all

[sinful citrus]

A really funny alternative could be changing it to be Halo Needler-style

Instead of the damage steadily going up, it's adding more procs to the boss and when you hit a certain number they all explode

[tropic temple]

idk how DE will do it, i just pray it doesn't make fellust bad, it genuienly just needs to be tuned a little bit and that's it

[tropic temple]

harrowing rune the pact almost

[sinful citrus]

P much, yeah

[tropic temple]

incorporating fellust with smite would also be really cool

like each hit has a higher and higher chance of triggering smite

but smite chance is already kinda bonkers with the right build and totems

[sinful citrus]

Tbh, I kinda want to wait and see what they do with smite before incorporating it into pacts more

[tropic temple]

totally

[sinful citrus]

As it is, it's a bit underwhelming

[tropic temple]

i like it because haha funny color go weeeeee

and you heal and do damage and trigger a rune

it feels good, i see what you mean though

and i like the concept of virtue gems a lot

[sinful citrus]

It's satisfying when it works, problem is it just doesn't on 75% of ingame enemies

And of the 25% it works on, it still only has full functionality sometimes on a good few of them

[tropic temple]

it tends to work like 90% of the time but sometimes i'm just standing there in spirit mode with a finger in my ass trying to pull the smite

[tropic temple]

i need to know what determines if a mockery will trigger it or not

[sinful citrus]

Oh, I mean how it doesn't work on most non-humanoids

[tropic temple]

OH

okay yeah

see sometimes i proc off a mockery

sometimes i do not

[sinful citrus]

Mockeries are inconsistent

[tropic temple]

mockeries are kinda jank all around

[sinful citrus]

Sometimes they proc the health regen and not runes, and the other way around

Sometimes they do neither

[tropic temple]

i can understand it not really procing off of undead enemies

[sinful citrus]

But ironing out broken stuff is what pre-alphas are for tbf

[tropic temple]

their "frame" is literally filled with ichor

so that could be a cool concept

but like, why no spider smite

do spiders not have souls?

etheldread is a whole ass individual i bet

[sinful citrus]

Actually

[tropic temple]

go on

[sinful citrus]

There's no way we're not gonna get diplomatic with the spiders later on and get a spider pact

[tropic temple]

That is actually gonna be sick

[sinful citrus]

Oraxia 2.0

[tropic temple]

Rick and Morty spider peace pact

But yes, spider pact would be sweet

I would love to see bird type enemies, as annoying as they would inevitably be

Giant eagle pact.

[sinful citrus]

Penguins.

[scarlet jacinth]

Hear me out. Steve pact.

[stray pelican]

for just $50 USD

[scarlet jacinth]

Indeed

Get the Steve founders pack for just $50 USD and get the primed soon mod for free

[lone venture]

think about it he dont wanna make it money, its gonna be hidden boss only (a bloody white rabbit with 1 mil hp)

[cursive horizon]

It's not the right arm, it's a pair of mythical pink shorts

[summer bobcat]

And a beanie

[vital wolf]

They can just leave the Founder Packs on sale permanently then ... EZPZ....

[tropic temple]

No I am actually on the side of exclusivity tbh

FOMO sucks but like

It is what it is

But thats just my opinion, I understand both sides of the argument

[vital wolf]

Right

[tropic temple]

I think them changing the stats spread of the prelude talisman is silly

[vital wolf]

Couldn't they just be 'middle of the pack' stats so they aren't BiS? Or did they nerf'em into the floor?

[tropic temple]

I believe it went from +3 to each virtue to +1

Paragon Periapt is also +3 to every virtue so like

Strange change imo, I don’t even have it and I don’t necessarily understand it

But it’s early on, things are always subject to change,

And regardless of what DE does they ultimately have my trust and that’s what matters

[vital wolf]

They're probably stepping too far in the direction of "We don't want FOMO!" Which I get .... it's potentially better than having yet another Excalibur Prime Fiasco (Even though I have him) .... The moment they remember they're DE ... things should start rolling.

[scarlet jacinth]

True

[glad nova]

what???? dude they made it more exclusive if anything by adding the flower step effect. and as for the stat buffs you just gotta relax and wait for them to add in bestitching for accessories and you'll be fine lmao

[meager zodiac]

Cogah triple talismans fusion when?

[frail thunder]

Will they leave the founder's weapons at 3 stars?

[worldly jackal]

Why do you ask?

[visual flint]

they are all still +3 each for the respective stat and the paragorn talisman with +3 to every stat (equal to Triune Talisman btw.)

[hybrid echo]

preludes honor isnt +3 to all stats anymore, nerfed to +1 to all stats.

[sweet linden]

I stand by that if they want that nerfed all the founder ones should also be of their fear is exclusivity, but nerfing it that hard before bestitching is an odd choice

[hearty pasture]

the prelude honours is sad now 🙁

can't even use my talisman as a skin to apply on others

[sinful citrus]

What's sorta messed up is that as far as I know, the main gimmick of most founders weapons doesn't even work at the moment (correct me if I'm wrong)

It's supposed to be heavy attack damage+ on smite to the corresponding color, but doesn't actually do anything (and like I've said before, smite as a mechanic is a little broken at the moment)

[sweet linden]

I think that’s related to the pact?

Not sure

[plucky birch]

isnt this only a mechanic of the Paragon

[plucky birch]

yea the thing that is broken is virtue scaling of the wyld back virtune attunement gems which power up on smite

[sinful citrus]

You can see it on every Wyld/Founders' weapon

[plucky birch]

ill have to check the other founders weapons but THATs not broken (at least it works on paragon) its the virtue scaling on the wyld pacts which is also related to smiting

[sinful citrus]

I do wish weapon gimmicks were explained a bit better ingame

[tropic temple]

Yeah this

[tropic temple]

It’s the pact I believe

I would have to try later

But the pacts are super broken

Unusable atm

I don’t think I’ve had any issue with the weapon

And I haven’t had any issue with paragon

But dont quote me on that

[vital wolf]

Who said I'm freaking out in order for me to 'chill'? XD

[hearty pasture]

I want honours to give +3 again...

[tropic temple]

I wonder if you’d be able to trade the honors talisman

I have some friends who play warframe who got early codes and played around a little and they’d probably give theirs to me since they don’t seem interested 🙏

[glad nova]

swap accounts

[tropic temple]

i wish

sunk cost fallacy

too much time in this account + i don't want to get in trouble lol