game-discussion

[manic wren]

it means that a certain weapon/item you have has the best rolls for stats that it can get, if not really good ones

[zinc heath]

ive been teaching my friends the game, its they seem to have gotten the basics pretty quick, mastering is where time comes into play

[spare elbow]

it has more to do with the fact you cant wear plate that gives you more movespeed, two weapons aint much better than sword and shield for movespeed

[warped latch]

The maintenance ETA is in the maintenance announcement 👍

[mighty root]

@silver didnt they say that last weekend and was like 6 hours plus?

[fringe yew]

less than 10 mins if the 1 hour is correct.

[bronze geyser]

clerics, stop buying shields with magical healing

[crisp heron]

Servers are up

[spare elbow]

last time it was like 4 hours and bumped back 2 hours so if 1 hr is estimate you can bet it could be another 30 m to an hour after the estimate or we get lucky and it is in fact short

[summer portal]

they said it's up

[spice token]

wad was the maintenance for?

[flat mural]

MY client still says maintenance???

[civic fox]

no one can play for like 10 more minutes guys

[fringe yew]

trolling people

[zinc shell]

Announcements say servers are back

[spare elbow]

my client doesnt yet agree

[winged idol]

Sv ons?

[warped latch]

It did go long, but I don't remember if it was 6 hours. But, that doesn't change the ETA. :p

[visual prairie]

client says maitence this game sucks im playing fortnite

[regal raft]

terence lied to us]

[untold turret]

IM FROM ARGENTINA AND I CANT EVEN AFFORD THE 30USD FOR THE PREMIUM, CAN SOMEONE GIFT IT TO ME? I REALLY ENJOY THE GAME

[crisp heron]

Farm some OSRS gold

[spare elbow]

reset client again and i seem to be good to go now

[visual prairie]

facts

[untold turret]

HOW CAN I SELL GOLD?

[regal raft]

factual information

[summer portal]

you can use weapons in demon form warlock?

[polar talon]

yes now u can

[dire skiff]

are servers back

[summer portal]

some

[uncut cosmos]

I know its hard for you to grasp but not everyone is american...Theres timezones you know 😉

[slender aspen]

where can I find gold ore?

[spare elbow]

bruh it was meant to be an obvo joke 🙂

[uncut cosmos]

Haha maybe you said it as a joke but ive seen plenty of people being dead serious

[spare elbow]

yeh i thought the extremely terrible spelling and all caps sealed the deal but its all good 😛

[uncut cosmos]

I read that too fast didnt even realise you misspelled the words that bad lol!

[hexed haven]

kill goblin caves boss, loot room stuff

[slender aspen]

is that the only way?

[grand garden]

ranger 👍 👎 ?

[rapid saddle]

why does warlock need a nerd? just got back into the game

[dusk fog]

where do i post for game recommendations

[cloud brook]

guys what is the macro to lookup an item you have on the marketplace

[polar talon]

theres none u have to go on trade and then market place and then u switch section for my listing

[charred scaffold]

are there new gold nodes or still only locked behind bosses?

[cloud brook]

no i dont mean looking up your item that u have already listed, i mean looking up what others are generally selling it for so u can choose what u want to sell it for

[polar talon]

theres none. u have to remember wich mods are on your piece and filter everything and search

[gray needle]

i cant get into any games after the maintenance

[polar talon]

do 1 game on a different server and comeback to your server mine is tokyo so i do 1 tokyo and then i can queue back to NA

[balmy minnow]

so now im mming endlessly when before i was fine?

[hybrid inlet]

looks like they messed up

[balmy minnow]

lol havent had to do this in a minute.... no reintroduced something old @hybrid inlet

[polar talon]

well, i had to do that a couple time after previous patches. its a comon fix and it says ''you have high load ping''

[worthy abyss]

Is linking blacksmith and steam account possible yet

[balmy minnow]

this used to be tradition after a HF. cant remember when we it stopped. pretty recent

[polar talon]

yes. in option u have platform link you copy paste on steam

[summer portal]

I feel like people see me when im in pitch darkness

[polar talon]

do u have potion on your belt? everything appear visually on your belt so potion will reveal your position in pitch black, plus also depend if u have holy aura on your feet or bard buffs or even magic staff the red ball on the staff appear in the dark

[worthy abyss]

oooohhh yeah gonna start playing tommorow thanks brotha

[summer portal]

oh right, potions glow.

[polar talon]

yeah. if u want a cool tip always keep a free space on your belt and when u have to shug a potion just right clikc the potion and use it and put back the stack in your bag never keep potions on your belt

[summer portal]

is weakpoint permanent until you hit?

[polar talon]

only for 3 second

[hushed spear]

for 3 seconds once u hit iirc

but that shit glows so i don't use it until soon before an ambush; i personally use cut throat due to it stopping casters and stinky ability users

[polar talon]

yes it trigger once u hit.

[summer portal]

so that's how that warlock saw me and killed me.

[hushed spear]

without creep you also make noise while invisible and crouch walking(assuming ur using stealth)

so the typical perk build is stealth, ambush, creep, and then a 4th of your choice

skills go hide and something else

[polar talon]

oh yeah totally. never trigger weakpoint or rupture or cut throat if u are in the dark. just trigger them when u are close to your target

[hoary ibex]

is there an estimated player count?

[summer portal]

there is one in game

[tough wren]

quests are not updating i just killed 4 ppl

[hushed spear]

one of the inferno rooms has this room in the north with a centaur, berserker, and 2 dogs~ there's this goofy ahh pair of steps next to the staircase you can cheese em without using double jump

i forget which generation but it's the one that has the big reverse pyramid thing with the bats to its left

[hoary ibex]

havent played in a long time im trying to see if i want to start again based off player count

[summer portal]

game says 31k playing, 20k in dungeons and 12k in lobbies

[polar talon]

yeah this season is like the best spot dark and darker have ever been

[hoary ibex]

tysm

[hushed spear]

is troll tankable with better gear or is it really just a "go in with whites and don't get hit"

not "tankable" but like it's not just i fuck up and get shit on

[ember bloom]

Probably depends on class, but yeah I consistently get wrecked

I imagine having a ranged class with good movement speed would be the way to go. Warlock should be able to slap it with free heals and a cheeky longsword poke now and then

[summer portal]

are maps randomized?

[hushed spear]

i hear troll goes full hp when deaggro'd but does that mean hp restore or temp invuln; like will rogue invis send it to full hp

[sleek kraken]

theres two different crypt maps, otherwise no

[ember bloom]

Cool. Died after walking through the portal twice

[zinc night]

Is druid a good class to solo troll cave bosses_

[rapid vapor]

I feel like most classes are. But I solo them with druid so sure

[zinc night]

Do you have a specific build/strat you use for it? i feel like i am just to slow and die instantly "i am also very new and dont know the bosses from memory so might be why"

[rapid vapor]

Do you mean a strat for killing them both in one run or a strat for either of them

[zinc night]

I mean in general, do you use like panther/bear, what type of armour do you go in with and stuff like that 😄

[wanton otter]

There's SUPPOSED to be multiple layouts per dungeon but they're only a few lil fellas working there and they're doing their best.

Used to be 3 Crypts, but updates and all that. Expect variance in the future.

(Also y'all should stop using 3rd party maps, if they wanted that info readily available they'd have it in engine.) Take it slow, enjoy the madness :3

[rapid vapor]

I just use a spear. The animal hitboxes are too wack to use against PvE imo. Troll you need to keep slightly to his right and just far enough to bait the swing and once you hear the leather squeak sound go in for a hit. When he does a one-handed slam strafe left and hit his head once. When he does the two handed swing you just strafe away enough to avoid the hit then move back in so he doesn't roar.

Cyclops you crouch jump to the right on all of his normal attacks. Make sure to wait after he does 3 or 4 attacks, if he stomps run away, if he starts talking crouch jump twice then crouch to dodge his 3 swings. After enough damage he'll slam his club on the ground and make rocks fall. Crouch jump 1 second after the first slam and .5 seconds after every other slam while attacking his back. After you deal enough you'll stun him and can heal up and repeat until he's dead

[gusty burrow]

people who play under 25 need to stop killing freshies

[zinc night]

Thank you so much! ill read through this and remember it! 😄

[rapid vapor]

You can kill them both reasonably fast even in basekit gear. Not as fast as warlock or bard, but fast enough that you can practice without risking anything

[zinc night]

yea i was looking to maybe switch to bard or warlock but i kinda want to just main 1 character atm to get better at it. Currently sitting at lvl 53 on druid so want to atleast kill some bosses with it and stuff

[gusty burrow]

warlock is best for learning bosses because you have a get out of jail free card with your phase ability

[gritty flume]

God this game sucks sometimes. Ranger should be weak in melee right? Nope! Five full damage longbow arrows to the face for 2-300 damage. Awesome gameplay

[maiden bough]

Ironmace needs to rebalance the frost wyvern. It should not require 4 people. when you can only queue as 3? It’s like you designed a boss that most people will never even get the chance to try.

The odds of you finding someone in the abyss being both friendly enough and willing to fight the boss are extremely low. You could play 10 matches and never even get a chance to attempt it. At this point it feels like a streamer exclusive boss almost since most people can’t get enough players to try it.

And trying to queue in with your buddies in the same match literally goes against their teaming/queue sniping TOS. So what is ironmace trying to do here? Seems like they didn’t think it through very throughly.

[rapid vapor]

They're already working on changing it. It was designed for a different matchmaking system they scrapped when it launched

[summer portal]

does weakpoint make armor go in the negatives?

[maiden bough]

ah glad to hear that. i hadnt seen anything about it being redesigned

[rapid vapor]

No, weakpoint is multiplicative so it'll never bring it below 0

[gusty burrow]

why cant i crouch jump over a wolf without gliding like im on csgo surf??

[gritty flume]

Devs want bouncing on mobs and spiders to be part of the experience. For some reason.

[rapid vapor]

Because the game tries to push people and mobs off of each other and the wolf has a pretty long hit box. Same thing happens for spiders or players as rats even

[dim sleet]

Does Natural Healing stack between 2 druids?

[gritty flume]

Is ranger shotgun ability not busted overpowered? Why is the best ranged class also capable of the highest melee burst in the game

[gusty burrow]

I hate how much wasted potential this game has, such a good idea with mostly good game design, but it seems like the devs are trying their hardest to make the game unplayable for most

[rapid vapor]

I mean I wouldn't call the game unplayable because you bounce on mobs

[buoyant wadi]

My game will randomly freeze for about 5-15 seconds randomly once every few raids, it typically happens during the first couple minutes of the raid. I have tried lowering graphics, I am running low with FXAA and windowed full screen, Does anyone have suggestions? This is a new thing ever since Steam release and I have not experienced it before

[gusty burrow]

its playable if you use roblox as your standard for games, but for something that costs $30 i should atleast have smooth movement

[ember bloom]

Theres been stuttering for me since the latest reset

[rapid vapor]

if you feel that way, why are you playing it?

[radiant pebble]

why am im facing level 150-200 players that have high gear of 50+ when the limit is 25 and my gear score is 8

[lone panther]

because 1 blue item can be like 90 gs. and players that high of a lvl know where chests are

[rapid vapor]

there seems to be an inconsistent bug. they should be under 25 GS

[radiant pebble]

brother it was 1 min in no way he had a full kit by looting

[gusty burrow]

i can be unhappy with a game and still play it, I like the idea of the game and most of the game design, but there so much shit that needs to get changed that its ridiculous

[rapid vapor]

that sounds...unhealthy

[gusty burrow]

my brother i play rust, tarkov, and league i dont think my mental is the question here?

[radiant pebble]

he dosnt have any 90+ gs items

[round axle]

Is crypts on weekly rotating basis or something now I need dark magic library and only ever get maps that dont have it

[timid sky]

are mystic vestments really intended to be -6ms?

[ember bloom]

What if you wanted to go to heaven, but god said:
You lack the skill/item to pick this lock

[buoyant wadi]

It's on a 3 minute rotation per map and there is 3 maps

[manic wren]

how does one use the lantern on the lantern shield

[cedar ledge]

press R
you can also riposte with it if u block an attack biy right clicking twice (or some ppl have said you can hold it and get both stabs but the point is that there's 2 stabs, i usually just right click twice)

[ember bloom]

I wish there was a place you could just test stuff that wasnt a waiting room/lobby

[novel pewter]

Anyone know if you can get uniques from hoards/goblin caves boss loot room?

[ember bloom]

Can you riposte with a LS?

[wanton otter]

i sold an item and i have the space to transfer it but it wont transfer

[brisk mason]

not anymore

[stoic pier]

Was an AP fix included in this latest patch ? 🫡

[shell arrow]

So honest question am i just bad at the game beyond measure or is everyone else just wearing insane gear 24/7 because every player seems to have unlimited hp and just 2 shot me every fight I hit 5 or 6 spells, axe swings, sword jabs, ect on someone while I kite backwards and they just continue sprinting only to double tap my corpse

[jaunty topaz]

Ironmace did recently buff every class' HP making Time-to-kill higher than before.
However there are other factors to consider such as where you hit them, what class you're against, what weapons you're using etc
A cleric is significantly tankier than, say, a wizard

[fluid island]

one of the 3 things that can riposte

[shell arrow]

Thanks for the info

[elfin finch]

stuff other than longsword can riposte?

[ember bloom]

Got my first succesful lockpick
On a chest that needed two succesful picks
On a lionhead chest in hell
Which I failed the rest on

[fluid island]

flute and lantern shield both have ripostes

[elfin finch]

oh thank you

[tired pike]

when was nightmare skelly skin available? will it come back?

[wanton otter]

no mercy

[flint gulch]

google

[thin rover]

Any way to fix rubberbanding

[ember bloom]

So hitting a mimic before it reveals itself DOESNT hurt it? wild

[dense bay]

there a specific map and mob that has a higher chance of dropping rare crystal balls? chest even?

[fluid island]

isnt it still available for purchase in the shop for 6 shards (bluestone or redstone)

[torpid glen]

Do you guys think fighters with bows are stupid?

[signal notch]

How much should i sell a lyre with +14.7% reg interaction speed for

[tired pike]

not that I can see

[edgy perch]

this is the second time ive been instant swung on while invis and them never noticing me is there a way people can tell im invis or is this sus

[cosmic swan]

I made a suggestion around new way to win AP with Dungeon Exploration and PvE. Pls Upvote it if you like the idea!
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/562521/a-few-idea-to-make-dungeon-exploration-and-pve-give-more-ap-and-so-make-pvp-less
Hope they'll see it and take some of the idea as they talked in #📢announcements about changing the AP system.

[granite bane]

What is the best Trio comp

[open crag]

@vestal steppe yeah but if I swing a sword at his head and he keeps on stabbing like his mother is gonna die over it then its unfair dude, Like it cant be that if a rogue stabs me I might aswell keep still and die as the poison will get me before I can finish my second sword hit

maybe add a stunt if you get with the sword?

[pearl mesa]

warlock warlock warlock

[supple solar]

Lizards and Lycans need a %stat increase for not having a helmet, something that lets them scale as if they did have a helmet for a specific stat, like Lizards get Magic and Dex/Agi and Lycans get Vigor and Str and Dex or something. Something that scales mediocre-bad with no gear, and enough to compensate the lack of a helmet with gear

Oh and Warlocks should get the Arming Sword

[bold wolf]

So is Barb officially the noob stomper character that actually isn't good against real competition?

[vestal steppe]

idk man. Rogue is just made to be good at PVP and bad at PVE. You should try it someday and see how it is actually very balanced on a "Global Aspect"

[open crag]

yeah, but leather armor they use is at the same level as blue plate armor
Like what
how is it that a class can be super fast, have leather armor that doesnt constrain them, And have poisoned daggers that stack their effects with each stab

[vestal steppe]

i dont even play Rogue anymore because of how difficult is to get around the dungeon. Cant even 2v1 a Skeleton without risking your life... Have to get very close and a few hits will kill you

[signal frost]

It's really hard to learn the game when a lot of lobby 25- gear are full of fame 100-200 player, even worst when i spectate after and see them running ignoring loot/pve, just rushing player..

[open crag]

If I wanted to be molested I would go to a public bathroom not Dark and Darker

[vestal steppe]

You are probably right. I would actually like to see all Classes be balanced both towards PVP and PVE. I wouldn't mind losing some PVP damage if it makes me clean rooms faster

[bold wolf]

I have once again invested tons of hours into grinding this game to get rich and get the quests done for the merchants only to find out that my main class chosen for the wipe is actually hot garbage against anyone who has skills or is playing the right other class for the solos mode rock paper scissors shenanigans

[blissful pawn]

what class u playing

[vestal steppe]

Let me guess... Wizard?

[open crag]

yeah I agree, I hate META's in competitive games, I should be able to play a specific class and be able to win with just being good, not having to rely on shit class combos or specific weaponry

[tired bone]

whats your class?

[bold wolf]

Barb has no range and no action speed and is not good as a PDR so in solos mode it's terrible

[vestal steppe]

seems like everyone here on this channel agrees that Meta classes shouldn't be a thing and the game should be balanced better

[open crag]

yes, I just want to be a cool ass templar knight.

also, Why cant a fighter use a small crossbow but can use a big one
that also is wierd

[bold wolf]

I'm just annoyed at the rock paper scissors of 1 vs 1 in solos and the gear diff if I want to run anything half decent then I could be going up against named uniques in HR or just other players running bis in commons It's not fun for the fight to be decided before it starts... unless it's in your own favor

There should really just be poors only lobby and then greens/blues lobbies and then epic or better lobbies. 3 tiers

[vestal steppe]

yeah, thats something I've been complaining too. Also why cant we BLOCK and Parry Melee attacks with most weapons?. Like, What is even the point of an Arming Sword having a CROSSGUARD if you are not using it to prottect your hand while blocking?. Its just beyond my comprehension how some stuff in the game works

[plain stag]

That moment when you accidentally queue for trios when solo, and find yourself in a 1 v 6 😐

RIP luck set

[vestal steppe]

Happened to me once. Good thing I was a ranger and heard the steps long before they got to me, Had a bunch of traps prepared to run away

[plain stag]

The fact that both parties of 3 chased me down instead of fighting each other was also weird.

[vestal steppe]

What class were you using?. Sometimes people team up to kill the class they "Dont like"

[plain stag]

I'm beginning to think that high roller population is so small, that people are artificially teaming up. As in they queue, planning to team up with each other. It's kind of lame. Seen it in solos a few times too.

@vestal steppe I heard them coming too, ran away while being as sneaky as I could be, even using creep to silence my footsteps and invis to throw them off. It was literally 6 people chasing me for like 5-6 minutes, finally got done in by one party blocking 2 doorways and the other party killing me.

[bold wolf]

Ironmace should make a Battle royale mode with the old ruins map.

[vestal steppe]

I second this.

I've been thinking on a BattleRoyale mode since I started playing this game. It just makes sense having some "Fog of Poison" or "Darkness" taking over the dungeon and making players get closer and closer

[wanton otter]

someone should tell him

[bold wolf]

Well they used to have a dark swarm that did that but I'm talking like an entire different version of the game

[severe epoch]

anyone know where the lever is to release the wendigo in the south room of ice abyss? "Dividing Hill"

[bold wolf]

Like I'm talking Apex legends but just Dark n Darker

[fluid island]

nightmare skeleton is the red one right? I'm pretty certain its in the shop

oh nvm the black one isnt available for purchase confused elite and nightmare

[bold wolf]

black

[subtle heart]

how long before resurrection shrine is interactable again after use?

[vestal steppe]

#q-and-a People there should be able to help you out

[chilly crag]

its only 1 use

[dense yew]

How am I supposed to find 3 blue crystal balls?

[crisp heron]

Sacrifice your first born to the devs

[mental rivet]

is there a place for suggestions

[forest temple]

Does anyone know if the Druid's 'Natural Healing' Perk triggers their 'Force of Nature' Perk?

[vestal steppe]

I would guess having high Luck Gear, Luck Potion and IRL Luck while looting Skeleton Corpses (the ones that are dressed and laying on the ground dead)

[manic wren]

PLEASE remove demon warlock being able to use weapons its so unfair its ridiculous

[mental rivet]

I think luck should give crit chance for Rangers, also perhaps like Dead by daylight have an ability to see a red outline of traps ahead.

[vestal steppe]

I dont even think it was supossed to be able to use weapons. Doesnt using the Demon Form make you change to your fists automatically?

[granite pasture]

changed it in recent patch

[manic wren]

new patch allows demons to use weapons and shields, plate warlock is so op now with demon form on with 10 darkness shards gathered

[fluid island]

its getting nerfed soon just wait and see what they do with it

[granite pasture]

its op cause you still get unarmed damage boost basically a bug is making it strong

[manic wren]

bc i literally just got 2 SHOT when i had 124 hp as a bard as he was debuffed by shriek of weakness

[vestal steppe]

Anyone knows when the "Training System" or "Skill Tree" is droping?. I understand it has been on "Work in progress" for 6 months now

[supple jackal]

hey for the golden door does it appear on every map for crypt? I looked at the site for the map and noticed there are different map variations some i havent played yet. Are only a few of them out and they rotate every wipe?

[fierce canopy]

Anyone having crasses nonstop after update?

[vestal steppe]

if you are playing from Steam I suggest usingthe -dx11 parameter. The game runs on dx12 by default and it is known to have some issues with some Hardware (And it is so random it can happen from update to update)

Devs should release a 1v1, 2v2 and 3v3 arenas to help themselves to balance the game better...

[rocky lagoon]

do people buy silver coins from the market?

[dreamy ember]

Arena would hopefully help them collect more data in a shorter time span

[dreamy ember]

So it's as if they're hitting twice with a single attack?

[rapid vapor]

It does

[subtle heart]

what quests advance squire gear

[fluid island]

ones that give reputation for alchemist, armorsmith, woodsman, weaponsmith, tailor, leathersmith

[lunar latch]

what is the best race in the game and can you still get the dark skeleton

[green roost]

wait, there used to be an outside map?

[lone panther]

wheres the best area to farm stone tombs for the quest?

[frozen saffron]

forgotten castle

[lunar latch]

there's a spot on the right side of castle with like 4 stone tombs and a bunch of wooden castkets

[vapid sphinx]

slayer fighter still viable or should i rock pdr?

[vapid sphinx]

yeah it was called ruins, i miss it lol

[tired bone]

anyone can tell me where the barracks are? like south or north of map?

[subtle heart]

im going thru hell tryna find rare weapons any tips? i find plenty of loot but never blue weapons

[green roost]

yeah im watching an older video and it looks so coooool :[

[vapid sphinx]

it was pretty broken with rogues getting on top the map with double jump though lmao

[scenic bluff]

fight the troll and cyclops on goblin cave

[compact basin]

Experienced player available ? Iam returning, i would have info about the actuel meta

[vapid sphinx]

just run a few HR runs, esp if you are lower rankn HR, nothing to risk except the 100 gold fee. well... thats if you bought the game i forgot lmao

[frozen saffron]

https://darkanddarkertracker.com/maps select the map and then turn "modules" on

[simple jolt]

Will there be a discount on DnD in the next steam sale?

[noble bronze]

Rogues jumping on top of the map was annoying, and ranged meta was REALLY strong. Actual rangers paradise

[winter dock]

does demon form remove all your armor stats while in demon fform? or is it just after you exit demon form you have to put your gear back on?

[subtle heart]

gotcha i bought the game im loaded with cash just cant find rares

[vapid sphinx]

you should find more in HR hopefully

[azure fern]

yall seen the warlock demon form exploit? they can use halbard as demon

[knotty raft]

where is the golden door

[granite pasture]

no it just has unintended bonus damage that was put there to buff unarmed damage. i think it adds around 10-20 damage without stacks

[gray depot]

Hey can someone help me out? I'm looking for the Icicle Cave location for the Mystic Insights quest. Anyone know where that would be?

[knotty raft]

plz friends

[rapid vapor]

It's the one that has both the shielder and the yeti

[gray depot]

Ohhh I know exactly where youre talking about. Thanks homie

[wanton otter]

The ol' "where the loot spawn was" room.

[dreamy ember]

Lmao that's quite a bit of extra damage

[wanton otter]

Personally I refuse to use it until it's fixed. (like a few days)

[flint falcon]

whats the easiest/fastest class to solo the goblincaves bosses on, warlock?(squire set)

[wanton otter]

just solo unarmed it with rogue

[blissful pawn]

yes warlock

[cunning summit]

hope those fkn rogue buffs are getting reverted too, so bad

[wanton otter]

It's just some armor pen. :3

[nova mauve]

Did they ever state when multi classing would return? I sadly missed testing it out, it looked really fun.

[wanton otter]

it was a nightmare of max speed barbarians and damage/damage/damage/damage perks on fighter. I WISH it was fun and nice but it was simply a mess.

[trim elm]

Hi! I'm new and I'm just wondering wether I should sell all my rubies and trinkets to the Collector

[granite pasture]

u should unless u need it for a quest

[trim elm]

Thank you so much! also what is the best thing to do with silver coins?

[scenic bluff]

sell them you wont need silver powder or bars until much much later

[nova mauve]

@wanton otter I also saw the 330 move speed bard wizard

[split pumice]

How many seasons have these new maps and escapes been implemented?

[wet bear]

i just came back to the game and i wonder the same question

[jolly eagle]

Is Savage (10% phys damage bonus while not wearing chest armor) worth it in normals?

[dry gale]

are elite enemies only in high roller?

[rapid vapor]

It started this season

[zinc harbor]

Best class for trio rn ?

[rapid vapor]

No, but they are much, much more common in high roller

[ember bloom]

Any prefered bows on the ranger?

[fast osprey]

Its a good pick until you find a blue or higher chest piece that provides more stats then the 10% youd get either from hp or damage too

[fast osprey]

all depends play style if you can hit your headshots consistently longbow for the dmg but has slow draw time, recurve nice middle ground and surv bow is nice for just peppering the fuck out of someone also depends on team comp if you solo then for sure surv or recurve for mobility and speed but if you got a front line to block long bow shots could melt someone

[dry gale]

sweet ty

[ember bloom]

ty

[warped solar]

If it's for the quests, right now it doesn't matter if mobs are elite or not.

[dry gale]

ok that makes it a lot easier then

[fast osprey]

yeah i think theyve only fixed the "need to extract consecutively" missions

[warped solar]

And thank god, because some of them are so rng / slow already.

[pine flower]

wait how do people have grimsmiles? do you get them from a quest?

[drowsy gate]

Anyone know when the next wipe will be? Or how long ago the last one was?

[fast osprey]

treasurer last mission gives grimy and longbow and wipe will probs be a 2-3 months atleast i think

[nova mauve]

What are grimsmiles

[fast osprey]

purp ring with 2 str 3 vig and luck as base stats with 4 rolls

[rapid vapor]

There's 1 thats a reward from a quest. Idk if the recipe is available yet

[fast osprey]

youd have to fully finish alchemist i think or wait til next set of missions

[nova mauve]

Do you end up getting any knowledge gear from squire throughout the quests?

[vapid arch]

yes

[split basalt]

ive done 5 games of cleric and i'm only level 4
is there a way to speed this up?
when i leveled my warlock or bard a few days ago i got 20 in like 6 games..

[lucid vigil]

I NEED HELP RIGHT NOW! I really need to beat this goblin boss ive been stuck on him all day with my friend~ Dm me! 😄

[chilly crag]

they slowed it down pretty badly

[fast osprey]

only real way is kill everything you see/try and run the quests/ extract really the only big ones, you dont get much xp i think for pvp

[split basalt]

its kinda ridiculous this many games oof

[hasty valley]

do crypts, clear the whole map of sub bosses, go to hell and clear that, youll swim in exp

[molten root]

what does rnt spam mean my friend was banned for it

[spare sage]

This is what awaits us in the future of Dark and Darker. Removing random teleports and zones was the ultimate stupidity. Extract camping like in Tarkov is coming soon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whxL8lptROM

[hasty valley]

time to take a nap garon, why did you skip school anyway

[remote pond]

i jut realized that the frost skeleton has an unique passive.... can you guys make it possible to buy it later please (like elite frost) 🤲 @glad thunder

[blazing pulsar]

horrible connection issues for everyone?

[turbid pollen]

They need to get their shit together. I just went in with all epics and legend axe as barb. Dodged several of this lock in demon forms attacks and planting atleast 4 solid hits and he killed me. He was wearing greens... Good on him for getting that gank and gear but that shite is broooookeeeennn

[left pagoda]

is armor pen or true damage better for rondel dagger builds?

[vapid arch]

true damage

[left pagoda]

sorry its says here i should disregard all coments made by you

[deft lintel]

True damage is always better due to the fact that it gives you extra damage. While armour pen only converts some of your damage.

You can do the math, but basically you would need a base damage of about 100 and your opponent to have 75% pdr before 1% armour pen beats 1 true damage

[jaunty topaz]

kinda baffles me how the max true roll and the max add phys roll are the exact same
wouldnt logic dictate that add phys should have slightly higher max rolls due to being mostly inferior to true dmg?

[deft lintel]

Yes. But alas ironmace didn’t wanna take the risk I guess. I would consider replacing it with weapon damage. But I don’t think the community would ever let that happen

[modern verge]

is there a way to report teamers? just got tag teamed by a warlock and fighter in solos

[rapid vapor]

There's a report feature on whoever you're spectating. That said teaming is allowed, but sniping each others lobbies and pre-teaming isn't allowed

[modern verge]

great to know that solos doesnt actually mean solo

[quartz valve]

how much gold do y'all have until you feel comfortable going into HR with high tier gear?

[rapid vapor]

For me a typical cheap kit for HR is 2-3k

[deft lintel]

It is purely a mindset thing. You should feel comfortable going into HR with base kit and just the 100 gold entrance fee.

Obviously not ideal, but hopefully you get the idea.

[quartz valve]

yeah, I know, it's a gear fear thing. but I also don't want to die so many times in HR that my net worth drops to 0

[pure aurora]

So what stats do mobs have? For exanple I was leveling my rogue yesterday and tried poisoning a dummy and it took 0 poison damage. So I assume the dummy has magic resistance

[rapid vapor]

-20% armor 22% magic resist. There are some exceptions like bosses

[pure aurora]

Oh negative armor? Interesting

[twin echo]

do u guys think fighters using ranged weapons are too much?

[rapid vapor]

You can practice in basekit so you're only risking 100 then build budget kits

[hasty valley]

no, theyd be useless without a ranged option.

[left pagoda]

I made chat gpt do the math and it told me that armor pen is only slightly worse than true damage, while I think it goes cheaper on the market

[quartz valve]

I've gone in HR with okay builds and found it takes a while to kill mobs, can't imagine what that'd be like in base kit, but I'll try

[twin echo]

cuz almost every fighter plays like rangers now lel

[modest siren]

have someone with a problem, the games kicked them out and keeps asking them to rejoin the lobby on repeat, theyve tried restarting steam, restarting the game, and joining a new lobby. any other ideas?

[pure aurora]

Is there like a good point to start buying or even just bringing in lucky good gear into runs? I assume blues for nromals and greens for HR isn't too risky

[deft lintel]

I don’t think you understand the formula but sure.

[pure aurora]

Probably like 80% of my runs are under 25 gearscore normals just to be safe

[hasty valley]

let us know when youre familiar enough with the game to grow balls and take a risk 😂

[pure aurora]

I am the Scrooge McDuck of Dark and Darker lol

[mental rivet]

these guys are teaming in a solo lobby wtf?

[lavish ivy]

I dont know if there even are any rules against it

[brisk mason]

This would be the case, however they tried it in the past.

This issue was true phys dmg was still considered best, however add physical damage would let you have super fast ttk against non pdr squishy characters

It made a bad ttk imbalance

[pure aurora]

But like main reason I still have pretty big gear fear is that I do still get clapped by mobs sometimes

[rapid vapor]

@mental rivet you can team naturally, but pre-teaming, or trying to snipe a friends lobby and helping them, is against the rules

[mental rivet]

they had the same load out

[deft lintel]

Except of course for ice caves… It’s getting complicated

[rapid vapor]

They're working on that though

[cosmic swan]

I made a suggestion around new way to win AP with Dungeon Exploration and PvE. Pls Upvote it if you like the idea!
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/562521/a-few-idea-to-make-dungeon-exploration-and-pve-give-more-ap-and-so-make-pvp-less
Hope they'll see it and take some of the idea as they talked in #📢announcements about changing the AP system.

[rapid vapor]

Speaking of ice caves. There's a quest that requires you to kill wyvern. So I hope you guys like being friendly

[deft lintel]

Back to the drawing board, you clearly don’t understand the problems at all. Maybe talk to players to see what they like doing when playing the game?

[rapid vapor]

We could also just wait for the changes they intend to make

[balmy ibex]

real sht, are balance patch based on g500 or <g25

[rustic belfry]

How are these new blue portal-system better in anyway compared to previous ones?
Playing Trio with extremely limited 3-way portals makes it wierd to split up in order for us to get out, it's either camp a trio portal or go out as fast as possible

[cosmic swan]

We got something like 80% new player right now. I'm thinking of them when I make this suggestion. They're still learning the game right now, how do dodge monster, how to clear room, learning the map. I think my idea allow them to be part of this High Roller season and incentive them in learning the game. Of course player from the PT/EA/Before Steam release would find that unnecessary or boring but for this season at least, think of all those new player. I don't want to see them leave the game because this season is too hard / they get stomp by experienced player. And I'd like that they actually want to try High Roller, so some of them might buy the full game. I don't know what you mean by "Maybe talk to players to see what they like doing when playing the game?" but if you talk of PvP then be happy the Arena mods is coming and I assure you not everyone want PvP to be the heart of the game

[deft lintel]

New players aren’t playing high roller or ranking. Nor did I mention PvP at all

[cosmic swan]

Of course not right now, but what in a month or two? When they'll start to be confidente enough in Normal? When the season reward wiil be released?

[deft lintel]

They should remove rewards

[lavish ivy]

I feel like Balance Patches should consider both what Classes are Capable off with nothing but what the squire gives them and when they have a high roller worthy gear score

[noble bronze]

not necessarily a bad idea, but they really, really don't.
See: Barb is good sub 25, but really suffers against good players. but we gotta nerf barbarian

[cosmic swan]

I think it's cool, imo if they remove reward then remove the leaderboard and AP. So what where you thinking when you said "Maybe talk to players to see what they like doing when playing the game?" I'm talking to you and asking you. Because right i didn't see any real argument against my suggestion

[knotty oasis]

What do the numbers in parentheses next to some numbers mean? (ex. lose 10(1.0)% of your maximum health...)

[lavish ivy]

Well thats less an issue of balancing for both low and high gs, but more balancing purely based on data received and not considering ingame experiences from lower and higher skilled parts of the community

[cosmic swan]

It's how much the skill/spell/perk scale on your stat (1.0) is 100% (0.5) is 50% etc. For exemple the Zap of wizard is 20 (1.0) that mean that if you have 50% Magical power bonus your Zap will do 20 * 1.5 (because it scale at 100% of your 50% Magical Power) damage. If the Zap was 20 (0.5) it would have deal 20 * 1.25 (Because it scale at 50% of your 50% Magical Power)

[knotty oasis]

Makes sense (kinda) ty!

[fluid island]

I think there's a reusable group extract on all the maps except forgotten castle so keep that in mind

[rapid vapor]

You'd be correct. And in crypts and ice caverns you always have the choice to go down and take that extract

[lunar fox]

so I cast Curse of Pain on a Barbarian ~15 times, and only 1 landed. Is there something about this?

there's no issue casting it against goblins, or in the pre-game lobby. So why was this 1 barbarian immune to my curse?

[weak yoke]

they should add a perk and skill preset tab so that you can make presets for like bard songs or wizard abilities

[noble bronze]

You either missed, were out of range, or he dodged

[lunar fox]

how do you dodge?

[noble bronze]

crouch, jank the last minute before warlock casts. its hitscan so if you aren't on him, you miss

[lunar fox]

so, either bad hit reg from server, or he cheating?

[teal snow]

If f2p "people" get hr access I'd be pissed. What's even the point of having bought the game the better part of a year ago? Just give every single feature away to the greedy whiners?

[noble bronze]

its infinitely more likely you were out of range or bad hit reg than him cheating tbh

[deft zealot]

Guys, what is minimum gear I should be looking to bring into highroller?

[teal snow]

Anything with good rolls for you. Doesn't really matter the quality starting out you'll find upgrades along the way if you can hack the pve

[lunar fox]

it was a long, drawn-out fight. it was in solos and he was attacking 2 of us, and I cast Curse of Pain on him ~15 times. Maybe some of those I missed, maybe some were out of range, but all 15? He even got himself trapped and stuck, and the spell wasn't applying to him

[cosmic swan]

I've never say that we should give access to hr to f2p player. But at some point they might buy the game (except if IM keep giving them free stuff like geascore in norm and buy in market place) @empty zealot

[deft zealot]

Ok, I'll try with base kit and a green weapon, never tried high roller before but heard that you can make some good money in there

[tender kindle]

I'm about 50 hours in and have been running <25 GS to get used to the game. Is it worth me buying green/blue sets for the higher lobbies now?

[empty zealot]

Why would they buy the game if they get hr access? Lol. Also it would just scare them off even more being totally wrecked in hr by mobs AND players

[empty zealot]

If you feel like more challenge. Doing normals is fun too though.

[tender kindle]

I think I may be ready. I've been trying to learn the bosses now because I'm tired of all the small coin pouches lol

[cosmic swan]

I'm thinking about all this season and it'll last 2-3 month people will become better at the game, maybe buy it. And if the HR is not a bit welcoming we might lose them. I don't want to go back to 4k player even if that mean that this season is oriented around the new player

[lunar fox]

cool. i just had a goblin mage projectile loop around me twice then hit me

[hoary lance]

ai am a new player fuck catering to us i want the raw experiecnce

[cosmic swan]

And i'm agree with you, imo the Normal mode should be revert to comon only and so if people want to play the gear they buy the game and go in hr

[hoary lance]

no this completely contradicts everything you just said

[deft zealot]

Normal with < and > 25 is a genious move tbh

There is no timer in HR? How am I supposed to know when to leave?

[cosmic swan]

? How

[hoary lance]

and this guy is why gaming is becoming a handhold fest

[fluid island]

When the effects like frostbite, the bugs and cave collapse start happening indicating your on the last 4 minutes

[deft lintel]

My argument is that players shouldn’t play any differently than what they currently do to try and rank up.

[cosmic swan]

Ok, i don't understand why they shouldn't try new stuff but ok

[trim elm]

Is there a way for me and my friend to carry over our gold and items to a new save? We only have a free account so we need to delete what we have for a new one.

[lavish ivy]

Honestly while High Roller should be for more experienced Players, not beeing friendly towards newer players does mean that your Game is going to die much sooner than anticipated.
And if your Game doesnt have for example the Reach or Influence to get new players motivated to your game in the long term there needs to be a solution that allows new players to get aquainted properly at the own speed or they will not enjoy the Game for long, like having a larger part of the Community be dedicated towards helping players with more than just ingame guides, or a seperated private instance in Game that allows for Practicing Adventures without making progress

[lavish ivy]

Best way would be to transfer your stash via inventory from one character to another character in raid multiple times, but that comes at a risk, so in that case youre out of luck as a freebie (although it is technically possible to make an alt account on steam to test classes without loosing progress on your main account)

[trim elm]

Thank you so much!

[cosmic swan]

In really I agree with you and my suggestion apply to this season only. Whe got a huge spike of new player and they seems to be very impatient and want to try everything and want access to more stuff. I think it's just that they still haven't understand the deepness of the game etc. I just want them to see all aspect of the game before they got bored (without even understanding everything you can do in the game) and leave.

[deft lintel]

The ranked leaderboard is the last thing a new player should care about IMO. It has ruined the game in my eyes, and never should have been added in the first place.

People don’t play tarkov because of a leaderboard system

And neither should we

[cosmic swan]

And when I say that again I don't say that we should give them everything, I say that we should make thing more attractive to them so they want to try it and buy the game

[lean dagger]

let ppl play in full green gear in normals without having to face purple gear and the game is alrdy in a better state for normals atleast.

[compact moon]

Whats your opinion guys on gear score threshold 25 ? I can't tell if its ok or not. It will push more people to normal dungeons, but at the same time you just can't play chill dungeons if you loot anything from previous one 😄

[cosmic swan]

It feel like a good idea but that don't work, we already tested that in the past. The Normal game was locked to common for a good reason, a lot of test and balancing have been done to get there

[lean dagger]

Its to low make it higher and cap so blue and purple gear cant face green. You rarely get purple loot in normal so makes no sense for them to enter with it in the first place

[lunar fox]

in under 25 gearscore dungeons, 80% of players attack on sight. so idk what you mean by "chill"?

[lean dagger]

you didnt test shit bc playerbase was never there tbh, free to play players most of them are from first 3 playtest that just didnt buy the game bc the lawsuit lmao

[lavish ivy]

Which is why I would like to have certain quality of life features for each the F2P version and the upgraded version
For example, both versions should get a training mode where you can choose a dungeon and go in alone without loosing anyting (but not making any progress either in terms of quests/xp/money), that way you both have a better way of learning things such as Map Knowledge, Awareness to other players (queue in with a private party and then play against eachother), practice how to deal with PvE and Players at the same time etc.

The F2P Version should get a second character slot, without a shared stash. This way new players dont have to go to the expense of making alt accounts to test out classes and get more freedom in actually learning the Game.

And the Upgraded version could possibly also have a solution for when you cant play online for example by having an isolated Offline-mode where you can keep your progress, but it is completly seperated from the regular Game, this would help further in testing around with higher levelled gear and how it would perform against certain NPCs, while not having people migrate from the Online mode in a way that would kill the Game since the Game itself isnt made for Offline play, however the Option itself is a good alternative to properly learn parts of the Game such as questing and also allow you to play the Game itself when for example your ISP is screwed up

[latent briar]

Most of them because sweasts already ruined them,after relase lobbies were massacred by 1 guys always even if you were to talk to them,some would say just learn the game bro,rather let you live with your 20gworth if inventory

[compact moon]

i never seen player in that dung this seaons, i played maybe like 10 games ;d

[latent briar]

There should be brackets for Gs.not 25 gs vs 500.
There should be white,green,rare lobbies i think for newbies or for anyone else.But dont see the reason that a 100gs timmy finished 24gsrun,goes into normal and gets rekt by legendary dagger rogue.

[buoyant tree]

I need answer to my question, is there an altar of sacrifice on ice abyss?

[lavish ivy]

Yea people like that usually just have an Ego issue or dont think about the simple consequence of the new player beeing incapable of actually learning if they just gatekeep them without showing them an option of what they could do better before or afterwards

@lunar fox as ive mentioned, a private lobby with no xp/item progress saved afterwards would be good since then you can queue up alone or with people and have friendlier PvP because you can revive eachother and then refight quickly, and also learn the room layouts and get general knowledge on the map like escapes etc

[wind pollen]

25 ,175 , 300

[lunar fox]

honestly i think sub 25 gearscore should not allow pvp. or at least provide an option for no pvp

[latent briar]

out of 10 people 6 dies to pve/trap,somehow 2 extracts rest are bossfarming itemless guys.Or just being massacred by someone

[lunar fox]

these sweats literally catch me when i have 307 movespeed and i don't attack them

[cosmic swan]

Yes that's some good idea (sry i'm in a game i'm slow to answer)

[lunar fox]

i don't understand how someone can chase you down and melee you in the back when you have 307 movespeed in sub-25 games. what are they doing to get so much speed? i'm literally wearing Lightfoot Boots with no items held

[deft lintel]

Make sure to never close doors, then you can have a escape path if you get charged

[latent briar]

sent u dm

[lunar fox]

literally makes no difference lol. couldn't even make it to a door

[latent briar]

they removed chest and legs probably,they weight too much.

[lavish ivy]

depends what class you play, some classes like FIghter, Barbarian or Bard have skills that give them bonus movespeed, so that if they are naked they can use a quick hitting weapon like a dagger for example without getting slowed down alot
Plus some classes can use abilities to slow people down, like Rogues Nailspikes for example

[lunar fox]

but i literally have no chest, legs, hat. no held item. best-in-slot movespeed shoes. still they're faster than me idk

[lean dagger]

additional movespeed, move speed % agillity, light armor and so on

[latent briar]

And for me,below 25 sadly i dont see the reason that level 1 guys,with no fame gets matched against a level 100 with 300 fame.Either limit it,or just give all trait at level 1,because they matter a lot for certain classes

[lunar fox]

how do i get that equipment then? so i can be the fast one. like i said i'm playing in sub-25 gearscore games, so it has to meet those req

[plain stag]

Man, I got a quest to kill 6 people in the ice dungeon and this is pretty hard. Not because I'm losing in PvP, but because I can't fucking find anyone xD

[lean dagger]

you need to be at 24 gs if you at 25 or higher you get all gs enemies, but that will hopefully change fast.....

[lunar fox]

answer the question. i'm at 5 gearscore.

how do i get that equipment then? so i can be the fast one. like i said i'm playing in sub-25 gearscore games, so it has to meet those req

[fluid island]

They all died to the first skeleton they found 😔

[lavish ivy]

What class are you playing? Instead of trying to beat people, especially if youre playing sub 25 you should use your skills/perks to slow fast melee players down instead of trying to bruteforce your movespeed to match with theirs.
Aint Nobody outrunning a naked unarmed Sprinting Fighter with a shrine of speed active

[deft lintel]

Hmm. It most scenarios you should be fine then. If it’s a rogue that pops out of stealth next to you, then that’s very hard to get away from. But any other class should not run you down

Did you have your weapon out?

[plain stag]

Highroller lobbies are dead. Normals they die to PvE so I never see them....

[lunar fox]

wdym beat people? like i said i'm not attacking anyone, people just kill on sight for no reason

[fluid island]

The one time I found a dude in ice cave they ran away and got shot by a skeleton archer

[plain stag]

Hey, I have a quest to finish 😦

[gleaming torrent]

This game should have a way to see your Quest inside a Dungeon

[lunar fox]

there are no pvp quests for goblin caves?

[lavish ivy]

Well again, instead of trying to beat their movespeed stat in order to outrun them you should use abilities that will reduce their movespeed instead.
You dont have to fight them, just reducing their movespeed is your way of keeping them at a distance

[deft lintel]

Class kill quests

[lunar fox]

i've only seen the kill barb, kill fighter, kill bard, kill ranger quests? are there others?

[lavish ivy]

Or atleast give you a notification of when you finished a task/subtask

[empty zealot]

they got to fix this dreamwalk bullshit where the last attack a druid makes will still do dmg even though they are in dreamwalk lol
just fought a druid and the only reason he won was because of all the free attacks he got like that....

[noble bronze]

kill warlock/kill wizards

[plain stag]

How much does damage slow you down? Does it depend on how much damage is being dealt?

[empty zealot]

it' depends on the weapon, check wiki for numbers

[plain stag]

Where? I checked a couple different weapons, there's no mention of it. All it shows is action movement slow, which is something different. I want to know how much the guy getting hit is getting slowed.

[limpid depot]

How do i play against plate/longsword fighters as barb? What is the best strat?

[noble bronze]

You die unless you're in full pdr. but full pdr barb sucks in solos. Don't rage in melee against melee classes, its generally bad

[lucid sand]

How do i get white rarity magic prot potions?

[opal saddle]

@lucid sand you make them or find them or find them in game.

[lucid sand]

Cant seem to make white ones

[opal saddle]

You can try the market but they are pretty rare to find. Not sure why.

[balmy minnow]

holdover from not wanting a million prot pots in normals.

[pure aurora]

Crossing my fingers that Warlock won't get nerfed too hard. It's a fun class both to play as and against imo so I want it to be viable

[chrome fog]

no one can help u bc u never said what class u died to, at least as far as i saw scrolling up

[pseudo basin]

since dark and darker is on steam can i download it on steam and log in using my blacksmith acc so i dont have to pay again?

[limpid depot]

What do you suggest in solo's?

[noble bronze]

full movespeed. Yeet yourself at people, use rage to gapclose, not for melee fights. Take crush to tear down doors to chase/run faster

[limpid depot]

okay ty dude

[sinful gull]

Cant believe they actually made a nuanced buff for wiz, i thought if they buff MM ever again it goes from 9 -> 28 or something.. well done

[balmy minnow]

this just creates more hydrains lol. why do they want to force hydrain on us so badly?????? im going back to wiz only cause i think hydrain is cheesy af and never play it.

[winged coyote]

new to the game, after extraction, do we sell away the trinkets or are they useful?

[deft lintel]

For the most part sell. The ones you wanna keep for a quest are the blue bangles. One of each ish

But I honestly wouldn’t worry about it until you get the quest

[subtle heart]

W changes but what the hell equipment gives ap now? i wonder if its finally better to get 1 4slot epic equipment than 4 single slot collecotr items (cant wait to see if they failed to calculate it)

[deft lintel]

Hydrain is fine because it has counter play

@subtle heart Equipment never gave AP this season, only treasure

[winged coyote]

so the rest of the items are just loots to sell?

[wind venture]

I really need to somehow find a group that does wyvern...

[subtle heart]

It will now read #📢announcements

[brazen tangle]

thoughts on the fighter sprint skill change? Looks like a massive buff

[deft lintel]

Huh, you are correct. My statement is still technically correct though

[pastel marsh]

has there been talk about what the "arena" game mode will be? First ive heard of it was on the patch notes

[blazing latch]

L Patch. Wait for next week

[tame pebble]

3%hp a sec?????????? thats not playable. i have been maining demon since demon release and its gonna become unplayable by getting nerfed in the wrong direction

[real mango]

Whats the point of buying this game if the servers are down every other day. Its getting stupid '

[subtle heart]

early acces u bozo, its not a finished product and you should stop treating it like one

[steady rune]

@glad thunder great job absolutly fucking the warlock class lol

[real mango]

Well in that case they should release a stable version and mess with the one they working on

[lucid narwhal]

any idea how long servers going down for

[carmine lodge]

THANK GOD these patch notes are way better than last weeks.

[warm basin]

was kinda needed tho. locks made up like 40% of players 😄

[keen estuary]

locks were busted man

[haughty wren]

i was fightting locks for half my fights easy

[normal zodiac]

I don´t think a good Warlock with gear is any weaker now if he is running Torture Mastery run away kind of build

[main raven]

holy hell they really did TM that dirty

honestly, since the base spell cost is cheaper it might not make a difference anyway

[spare elbow]

Itll be sprint/second wind on every fighter once again lol

[fiery elbow]

make, since hydra gonna cost 27 life haha

[spare elbow]

Its hard to ignore a 45 ms bonus even if it has decay that is huge

[normal zodiac]

Maybe Locks can´t mindlessly spam curses left and right now and ACTUALLY have to manage sth. But we will see ^^

[maiden sequoia]

how long does maintenance usually last?

[main raven]

It doesn't really affect CoP and PoS though, since it now costs 6 per cast (which is what it cost already when TM was buffed, and it was still viable then).

It basically kills cursing your own Hydra though, which is arguably an improvement rofl

[chilly crag]

As long as sdf says in the post

[real mango]

Where can I find the patch notes

[empty zealot]

Should be on the wiki too, thats how I know franscisa is 35% slow for 1 sec

[main raven]

I do find it hysterical that Warlocks get about five nerfs (fair enough) but Fighters and Barbs get yet another buff lmao

[deft lintel]

https://discord.com/channels/988365908009447485/988662112454836234

[normal zodiac]

Is it normal that I can still connect into the game?

[haughty wren]

fighter hasnt been good since the playtests but barb needs a slight nerf 100%

[sharp tide]

it should be, in-game it said the server will shut down for maintenance

[main raven]

I know Fighter's actually taken a decent hit recently, but I genuinely can't recall the last Barb nerf

[teal vault]

that was a fighter nerf though.... it's decaying movespeed now, instead of a flat 45 for 6
oh shit, didn't realize that sprint had been hit so hard

[deft lintel]

Don’t listen to this guy, he’s delusional

@teal vault it’s a buff all but the last second. It’s 20 MS now

[spare elbow]

I was suprised by sprint, i was having fun using other skills for once in 5 wipes. Now they just made it sprint/second wind basically required once again.

@haughty wren is wouldnt say fighter is not good i beat 3 or four equally geared teams last night with fighter ranger in duos

[main raven]

I think 30/20/10 would be more fair for Sprint, but maybe make it last a tad longer or something.

[hazy heath]

How do I get my season rewards from last season?

[spare elbow]

I always thought the duration was shit on it anyway so i could see this being a good solution

[stuck badger]

Eu servers down?

[wicked belfry]

yup

[deft lintel]

Select the character that you got the rank on, go to leaderboards, select season 2 and trios/duos/solos. Claim rewards

[main raven]

Maybe something like 30/20/10 over 9 seconds, but once Sprint is over your MS is slowed by 30 or something. That way there's more of a long-term benefit and an actual downside to using it

[hazy heath]

Thanks!!

[sly frost]

Warlock salt is so yum yum in my tum tum

[sharp tide]

is there info about the maintenance time or should we just check back in from time to time?

[main raven]

I do think Demon Form might've been nerfed a little too hard (3% health lost per second is insane) but I still think the class will be playable after the nerfs

[spare elbow]

Either way after using breakthrough for a while i actually find it way more versatile than sprint. Canceling all movespeed reductions for a longer time feels stronger than a straight move bonus for shorter

[olive condor]

Finally these warlock kids got shit on. Funny thing is they didnt even realize how op their class was

[sly frost]

Not gonna lie it tried 3 differnt gear combos and switching betwen judgement and smite. I got 1200 hours on solo cleric. A warlock killed me i had ale perk up judged and smited and got 2 free hits in he still killed me with kris dagger shield. Truely flabergast me

[main raven]

I do think Breakthrough is heavily slept on. Basically a stronger PFE against Slows

@olive condor Believe me, we know rofl

[haughty wren]

i agree with all demon form changes except for the 3% thats actually devastating

[terse turtle]

I've rarely seen devs listening THIS MUCH to the community, really happy about this hotfix

[sly frost]

i agree 3% seems like alot i feel like 2% could of been fine

[main raven]

Ale really doesn't do much anymore, to be fair, but even if Antimagic doesn't work against Smite Locks can still hit 25-30% MDR in their basekit alone.

Also, Kris/Heater feels heavily slept on

[tawdry magnet]

did warlock get nerfed???

[sly frost]

with the perk its like 10+ damage on your swing with morning star and llike 8 hp so its not bad. I jsut mean i prot potioned , aled judged hima nd then smite got 2 free hits in and is till died. He had corrupting blow zzzzz

[cunning gyro]

they tend to listen a little too much, feel like they make changes on gut reactions as opposed to hard data

[main raven]

Honestly I think 1% is fine. You're still losing 60% of your max HP over the course of one minute.

At 3% you're literally almost dead after 30 seconds rofl, and the benefits that Demon Form provides definitely don't outweigh the self-damage taken while in it anymore.

Shadow Touch is also gnarly. He gets to heal himself about 2.5 HP per hit with the Kris, and that adds up

[sly frost]

I dont think 1% was enough man. i think after these nerfs they could of kept it at 1.5 %

[main raven]

I could agree on 1.5%, yeah. 3% makes Blood Pact literal suicide rofl

[timid moss]

the problem is that all of the math is different based on how everything scales

[sly frost]

lol i didnt think of that

[oblique pecan]

w patch

[radiant wolf]

I understand that everyone's talking about the new changed and stuff, but i just wanna bring attention that golden key market is being manipulated atm, with a 300% price increase almost instantly, any key below 3999 is getting bough and resold at that price, i've seen korean player try to get more people onboard their market manipulation to make more money and im pretty sure that who's behind this, be carefull buying golden keys

[timid moss]

low gear vs high gear is not accounted for properly at all as is, and these changes only make it worse
i.e. the reason why they had to add a dmg taken modifier to rat form was because some people were stacking flat hp to get 50 hp in rat form. ( and that's how it works, flat hp isn't reduced)

[keen estuary]

I find it odd that next class they want to add is either Bosnian or Romanian. Is that even lore friendly ??

[main raven]

With 160 HP, using Blood Pact basically means you're under a Rogue's Rupture except its True Damage and it lasts forever until you leave the form or die lmao

[pastel skiff]

My beef is with them removing background rat noises.

[flint dune]

i agree

[latent briar]

But well,you know if you do rat,you couldve have max 10hp,become a real critter and no stat added.Your job is to be fast,and be able to jump through doors.Rat should not have any scale at all,and its healt should not be able increased by any means.

[radiant wolf]

since druid can transform into rat, i kinda like this change, if you hear a rat its 100% a druid

[tawdry magnet]

guys i am new to the game what class should i learn for beginning and what is the strongest class

[main raven]

I think Blood Pact in its current state would be well worth using if it worked like Demon Form does in Dark Messiah; Of Might and Magic, where you lose health while in it but heal back a substantial amount of HP if you kill someone with it

[stark tree]

Warlock

[weak star]

this is not dark and darker its warlock and warlocker @sdf please get rid of your warlock main devs and get some real fantasy rpg devs that have some experience fighter still only has 2 worth abilitys and druid is a wildshape spamming mess why dont you focus on getting druid up or fighter or ranger or bard who still has to play doulbe songs intead of having nice skills these classes have half the playstyles of warlock

[cunning gyro]

In a balancing sense, it makes sense. All abilities should have counterplay, nothing should be "unavoidable" being unable to tell whether a rat was a druid or ambient (while funny) was probably not healthy for the opportunity of counterplay

[sly frost]

Here is a question for you. As a solo cleric (not for trios or duos) What perk/ability/spell/weapon/armor ability would you take if you could take anything in the game . Is pent about 20-30k on multi classing there is only one correct answer

[pastel skiff]

Becoming a rat and blending in with the squeeking WAS a counterplay.

[main raven]

I'd easily go for the setup that allows Ice Shield and Dark Reflection to be popped repeatedly, forever. Throw the Druid's 5 True Damage reflect in there too for peak meme

[sly frost]

Only one thing i mean. You get a choice of ONE thing

[formal copper]

When did they get rid of the barrier coming in?

[main raven]

Ice Shield easily. If you have a high negative Debuff duration you can shorten the CD of Ice Shield to pop on damn near every single attack rofl

[sly frost]

WRONG. Zap is the answer.

[cunning gyro]

what, what do you mean, the counterplay for a druid is to not jump as a rat, which makes it much more fair for the other party, i like, only play druid, and respectfully, it wasn't fair for other players to be unable to tell whether there was a rat near them that made a mistake (jumping) or it was ambient.

[main raven]

I feel like Zap is nowhere near as good now that the +Damage multipliers are lower, though. Plus, Wizards can definitely use Zap a lot better than Clerics can.

Chain Lightning would be hysterical though lol

[prime maple]

daily reminder that ranger is ez mode garbage and if u were mad about f2p ur part of the problem.

[sly frost]

Zap means people cant kite you anymore i ran it on my ultimate kit that i sunk that 20k into. It was.... Devastating. People not being able to run in a god damn straight line. away from me then they crack under the presure. Trust me it WAY better hten people realize for that reason. I even tried lock curses, fire ball etc

[main raven]

Hot Take: Crossbow Ranger is better than Bow ranger. If you want to use a Bow, just play Fighter.

[plucky bridge]

every lobby is still gonna be 10 kiting warlocks even with these nerfs

[fringe sinew]

Which part of the demon dog does back attack apply to?

[spare elbow]

Real? I never use bow or take weapon mastery on fighter lol

[pastel skiff]

Talking about whats fair and not for classes? Rat noises in the background should be the least of the issues for this concern.

Trying to blend in with rat noises was a tactic used to better be able to escape and it didn't always work.

Saying it's Unfair for a druid to blend in to an environment is just plain dumb.

[royal briar]

Warlocks run the fucking game now its bs

[plain stag]

Clearly you are referring to something other than what I'm looking at when you say "the wiki."

Could I get a link?

[main raven]

Honestly, after all the Warlock nerfs, I'm pretty sure TM is still gonna be the most common setup.

@spare elbow The Longbow on Plate Fighter is honestly kinda disgusting lmao

[plucky bridge]

yup

[pastel skiff]

'Lets make a Druid, FK ANIMAL LORE THO!'.

[plain stag]

I've actually beaten a couple warlocks now with cutthroat rogue. It's the only way I can see beating them other than ranger.

[spare elbow]

Consider the idea that druids could also use it to sneek up on teams, not only use it in an escape or hiding situation… the devs made the change very quickly, implying it was an oversight for the sounds to be so similar rather than an intended feature. Or they overlooked how people would use it to sneak attack rather than using it purely for escaping

[main raven]

I don't think Cutthroat will work every time, but against casterlocks it should dumpster them.

[warped bramble]

good ole panther bite to the neck does the trick

[austere geyser]

yo maybe use the ranks not just put them on for show

[pastel skiff]

So whats different than other ways to sneak up on a team with other classes or by moving slowly with shoes off?

Your argument makes no sense.

I'll just NOT squeek as a rat and sneak up anyways.

[main raven]

You're also FAR better off sneaking up on a tean in Panther. Seriously, crouching on Panther makes basically no noise at all rofl

[cunning gyro]

What do you mean, in what planet are you blending in while jumping around crazy, the rat doesnt squeak randomly, its only when it transforms, jumps, falls, or uses its ability. A player walking around hearing squeaks like a schiz is not good game design 😭 if you make a mistake as a druid you should be punished, you should be able to be sneaky as a rat sure, but then if you make the mistake it should be forgiving on the enemy player that is alerted of your prescence not you 😭 again, the only class i play considerably is druid, im biased towards it

[pure jolt]

Daily reminder that bard can instantly prevent warlocks from using spells or abilties for 3 seconds

[plain stag]

You think? I feel like a silenced warlock is a handicapped fighter. You think rogue loses that with even gear?

[pastel skiff]

Right, so i'll just not make noises at all, rendering the removal of rat background noises pointless.

There's no getting around that removing rat noises was a bad call.

[fathom parcel]

Make Blue Portals Random Again in normals (keep them as 3 man).. but HR, bring back death circle and have Portals Random within circle.

HR should be more PvP intensive. There, everybody wins

[cosmic swan]

So what do you guys think of the old AP system without GBMM? I feel like it's not going to be really fun

[main raven]

does anyone even run dissonance?

@plain stag Honestly I'd still think a handicapped Fighter beats the hell out of a Rogue. This presumption is based on a lot of evidence (and that by I mean I have zero evidence at all)

Honestly I'm pretty sure I've ran into like three Rogues this wipe and they all instadied lmao

[cunning gyro]

My brother in christ, if you squeak, you made a mistake, thats the intended gameplay feature, thats how it was designed, the sounds in the background are an oversight

[pastel skiff]

No, thats how its now changed, it wasn't designed. I bet they change it back later. It really is bad to tell a druid not to be able to blend in as an animal.

[spare elbow]

Well a rat is like 2% the size of a player, so the chances of seeing them is far lower than any other class sneaking up on you…. Im very surprised you dont think this is a big difference

[plain stag]

Haha, you might be right. Best you could probably do is hit them, wait for the melee switch, then run and try and get a tap or two with handcrossbow

[pastel skiff]

I don't. I played plenty of Druid and in rat form. Becoming a rat and blending in with noises wasnt 100% success.

[pure jolt]

I've been running dissonance with the 3 solo buffs, rousing rythms and shriek of weakness. It's been great honestly. It's amazing being able to prevent warlocks from phantomising, prevent fighters from sprinting/second winding and barbs from raging/achilles heeling. Silencing someone for 3 seconds is actually plenty of time to shut down their entire escape/attack plan.

[main raven]

The issue comes with the based Warlock player (me) using the Kris/Heater combo, since you can swap to a primary dagger basically instantly and can immediately start returning fire

@pure jolt I think my mate runs it actually. The actual Silence song is completely useless though

[cunning gyro]

my brother, I play competitive valorant, I understand game design and theory, factually, there should be counterplay in a competitive game, and (as demonstrated by the devs) the state of balance and ranked climbing in HR is designed to be competitive. Something without counterplay (making mistakes as a rat) is BAD game design my brother

[spare elbow]

Okay cool. The fact you think removing rat noises is s big deal tells me it was a feature you were trying your hardest to abuse. Everyone else thinks its a tiny change lol

[plain stag]

The people I've killed just stand in front of me confused with spellbook out the entire time xD

People must not run cutthroat much.

[cunning gyro]

The change affects nothing, other than people knowing for sure a rat is making a mistake near them, that is a good change lol, as a druid main this makes sense.

[pastel skiff]

We aren't brothers.

Your opinions differ than mine but they are yet only opinions.

Thanks for continuing to reply with the same information layed out in different ways. I'm not sure you know that I got it yet.

[main raven]

Cutthroat in general is really good on a lot of classes, not just casters

[pure jolt]

Yeah it's honestly weird how there's also a song, but dissonance has an insanely fast cast time and is AOE, so it's really difficult to avoid unlike cutthroat. It's super reliable, up there with the likes of shriek of weakness.

[digital edge]

If the price of using weapons is these, I'd rather play with a demon with only a pair of claws

[potent horizon]

Why did they have to gut warlock so badly. demon form just needed lower damage output, not 3% hp per second. That is literally dead in 20 seconds in a fight. It makes no sense they nerfed EVERYTHING to making it USELESS. Wat the fk is this shit, why are they so boneheaded when it comes to balance.

[fluid ridge]

This isn't an esports title where everyone starts on equal ground, there's gear it's a looter shooter

[pastel skiff]

So if it were such a tiny deal, why'd it change.

It had very low to minimal impact in this game or combat situations.

imo, it was a bad change. I'll always feel this way no matter what someone tells me.

[main raven]

I understand nerfing Bloodpact into the ground to at least fix that issue, but the nerf to both Lifedrain and TM seems pretty insane, especially since TM is still gonna be viable and its now basically the only usable Warlock build at all

[plain stag]

Rupture feels like it falls off in higher geared lobbies. The scaling on it sucks, and the people you want more damage against run pdr anyways.

[spare elbow]

Your mental gymnastics are impressive. You are professing how terrible of a change it was while also saying it was a minimal impact feature. If it was so minimal, why do you care so much?

[dusky olive]

you'll change you're mind on the changes once you'll have +100% dark magical damage after killing few mobs. You'll 2 shots with dark bolt.
Try before complain

[pastel skiff]

Oh really? Is it time to insult me?

[subtle heart]

anyone know when the server will be back up?

[cunning gyro]

I think its to punish poor spacing when pushing as demon form, and to entice players to just, not engage more often

@fluid ridge the devs have held tournaments for pvp, they actively change and balance the game for PVP (see wizards having shit pve). They consistently make comments on wanting the AP climbing to be competitive it may not be an esports title, but its balanced as one and holds the same design principles

[main raven]

Poison is far better than Rupture is since its Magical damage and scales a lot better with +bonuses

[spare elbow]

When did i insult you? I apologize if it came off this way.

[pastel skiff]

"Your mental gymnastics are impressive." was intended as an insult.

[hasty gate]

Genuine question, do they not have a public test server they can roll out the nerfs/buffs patches before doing it on the main servers? I feel like this would solve alot of frustration in the community and less downtime for the entire game. Also, I've only played a few game of HR but even I could see how switching how AP is distributed mid-season is not the best idea.

[fringe sinew]

I think it was a bad change too, but that's because I felt like the background noises+ rat noises were jank and made the game funnier.

[empty zealot]

@heavy otter ppl dont run torture mastery with the hydra, they use the life drain spell.

[main raven]

Honestly with the faster stacks Ray of Darkness might become the meme again lmao. 5 kills to get 100% more damage with a spell that has 100% scaling is kind of insane.

[warped wagon]

Cant do that when channeling into the demon form with a locked loud and explosive animation that slows even after fully transformation still locked in an animation giving plenty of time for everyone to just kite away

[potent horizon]

They just needed to lower the damage output on demon form, not make it useable for all of 10 glorius seconds before u drop dead. These devs are literally apes i swear to god. Its like they don't playtest anything. I am 100% sure they did not playtest 3% hp loss per second demon lock. Its literally going to be unplayably bad.

[plain stag]

Poison is a perk, sir.

[heavy otter]

wut they do loll

[fluid ridge]

The way it has planned wipes and frequent patches with the devs trying things like multi-classing there will always be a meta build or class for pvp and pve and that's part of the fun, it doesn't need equal balancing this game has some clear cut match-ups

[spare elbow]

It was not, i genuinely find it impressive. You are spending a significant amount if time professing how terrible of a change it is, but then turn around and say it was a minimally impactful feature when debating with me. It seems contradictory. If it was such a low impact feature as you say, why does it even matter they changed it?

[empty zealot]

Maybe some people do, but that's to much in one build anyway

[heavy otter]

All caster version of TM use it... you can go double curse instead of life drain, or curse of pain + life drain

[main raven]

I'm not saying the heavyhanded nerf was good; if you look back a few posts you'll see me complaining about it. I'm just explaining why Ironmace did what they did, and why I don't get the nerfs to both TM and LD in this hotfix, especially since the TM nerf won't do a damn thing.

@plain stag Honestly thats even less reason to use Rupture lmao. Just stick to Cutthroat/Weakpoint

[prime maple]

Yes ...yes argue and bicker my little sheeple....yes your salt sustains me..... 😈

[dusky olive]

totally. They did nerf stuffs but buffs other stuffs. I think we need to try those changes but warlock was obviously a bit too op

[fluid ridge]

Something can be both low impact and annoying like UI changes or Sound design direction

[pastel skiff]

It is. Any time you mention the mentality of someone you're talking about it is intended as insulting. You can't say it isn't.

People don't usually go around dropping 'mentality' talking points.

[heavy otter]

All they did with that nerf is forcing people who were use double curse to actualy run life drain... which is the spell and gameplay that people seem to be mad about 😅 .

[empty zealot]

Anyway, hope we can agree the point of hydra healing is using the life drain right? Cursing it is just a bonus, if it's even worthwhile

[warped wagon]

They probably nerfed demon form into the ground because its an hotfix and they have no idea what they want to do with it so they leave it in garbage until they figure it out

[potent horizon]

I think the only viable build now is ray of darkness with demon armor. Only 5 stacks required for 100% damage boost on it could be viable with a super low knowledge build.

[digital edge]

Are you still playing scum？

[heavy otter]

well, ya. But that's not the point. Hydra is usefull in a fight... losing a 1/4 of you're life to cast it in pvp is harsh

[main raven]

Your other option is just playing curselock without TM, as the spell costs honestly aren't horrible, but you'll lack the sustain that TM would otherwise give you

[spare elbow]

I disagree. If you spend more than 20 minutes in here you will see what insulting someone looks like. I was using my statement to point out your contradiction not to insult you. I think you know my point is valid which is why you switched from focusing on the main point of the debate and narrowed in on my one potential “insult” instead.

[unreal oar]

Guys, is there arachnophobia game mode? My buddy can’t play game because spiders…

[cunning gyro]

Yeah there are classes that clearly counter other classes, this doesn't mean the game has poor balance (even for a competitive game) it is the core gameplay balancing of League Of Legends lol, class matchups are an intended part of that game. However things being unfair & without counterplay is not the same as a class being plain better than yours because its a counter. In a balanced game every fight should feel like you made a decision that lost you the fight, not that it was out of your control. I'm not saying every fight should be 50/50 but every player should be given the opportunity to effectively make decisions that are correct. Like, not engaging with your counter. For example, as a druid, my counter is warlock with curse of pain as it forces me into commiting into the fight as if I rat form to reset I die. This is balanced, I almost always will lose against a good warlock, but I made the mistake in trying to engage with one in the first place.

[empty zealot]

Not for awhile, devs focused on the wrong stuff for so long, got tired

[wary stump]

Bro just get rid of healing off hydra, but why tf did we get triple health cost, that’s crazy

[dusky olive]

I am the most arachnophobia guy but I got no problem with them in game. Your friend is unlucky 😢

[potent horizon]

I mean it could work, demon armor with curses and dark bolt. Its decent i guess but ray of darkness with 100% boost, slow cast speed and purple staff still has super high lethality.

[finite bridge]

Sadly I don't think they will have a mode that gets rid of spiders due to them being a common enemy in all maps, it would be too much to balance

[empty zealot]

Well it's one of the most exploited spells, only logical it's being nerfed

[digital edge]

I don't know if you remember me
At the time I thought you were a game developer trying to ask you for help🤣

[hard marlin]

what yall think about the recent patches?

[balmy minnow]

the absolute shade being thrown at timmies right here-> "but realized that dealing with all the map's monsters and clearing out chests was less fun than managing inventory resources and decided to revert to the older system."

[spare elbow]

In other games with arachnaphobia mode, it simply changes the model of spiders enough that they dont resemble spiders enough to trigger peoples fear response.

[fringe sinew]

I feel like with how these patches are handed out this community isn't used to letting the meta sit to develop counterplay.

[warped bramble]

Understandable. Half the people here think they should be game devs lmao

[empty zealot]

Ah yea, happened all the time, I got more msgs about the game than discord moderation issues 😂

[potent horizon]

I mean only needing 5 versus 10 shards is a huge buff i guess, way more convenient to use now. Only gotta buffsteal twice versus 4 times also. Its still going to be a huge nuisance to use it.

[digital edge]

No, I'm talking about another game where I had cheaters on my server and I tried to get him to ban them for me

[main raven]

Only problem is you can't kill your own Hydra for stacks anymore

[cunning gyro]

Because Ironmace listen to the community (which is evidently reactionary) as opposed to listening to data. They've demonstrated they have it, but it seems they balance to what players want not what is actually happening in the state of the game, It's also incredibly difficult to balance between solos duos and trios, and one mode will always be more unbalanced than the others, this is the nature of the game however

[timid mantle]

that was stupid ngl

[finite bridge]

Well as a spider hater myself, I would not mind that tbh, especially for the big ones. The mummy ones don't really trigger anything for me but I yelp/scream whenever the ice ones drop on me and I hate how the big ones in goblin cave look

[main raven]

Also, is Dark Offering actually useful or is it complete garbage

[unreal oar]

True. Maybe there is mod of some kind? Just to change spider models on client or something like that.

[plain stag]

Wizard got hard fucked for this reason. Least popular and arguably weakest class now, but was hated when as strong as other classes

[wary stump]

Total garbage from what I understand

[spare elbow]

They are also still trying to find the balance they want, its not like league of legends where they already found balance and they just make changes to shake up the meta every month or two

[warped bramble]

they are still absolutely insane in trio highroller

[potent horizon]

Maybe they started to listen to the community but before they listened only to streamers. They did make it more PVE with removal of the circle, but the games/maps still lack PVE content making them pretty boring overall. Seems like they are still in the bad habit of doing little more than PVP buffs/nerfs that made up the entire previous wipe cycle where the game lost most its playerbase. I hope things turn around but it isn't looking great.

[plain stag]

And also played the least out of any class in trio.

[spare elbow]

Unfortunately that could get you banned. Its up to the devs to make a toggle in game for it or not really

[hard marlin]

Fair enough, my team fights are way better in duos than trios, but I think that's a matter of my playstyle. I've always seen where I fck up. versus my duo partner, who I also play in trios with just immediately blames it on classes being unbalanced. I.E, Bard and warlock mostly.

[unreal oar]

Got it, thank you

[warped bramble]

well yeah, its hard to play correctly, but still one of the most vital part of some of the best team compositions

[kind shale]

I'm a Warlock main and Imo the nerfs were warranted. The fact demon form could even hold a weapon and they didn't touch Warlock before that as like ???

[hard marlin]

tbh I think they're still listening to streamers

[fringe sinew]

I think the other issue might be the lack of ways of developing counterplay in game. New or mid level players can't pop in the training mode to lab out the finer nuances, so when you're on freeplay without that extra slot you're scratching your head on what the warlock is doing and how their numbers work.

I do agree that its natural for one state of the game to be broken, that's fine, and it should be that way. Solo wasn't the original vision of the game so that's fine.

[potent horizon]

Demon form got destroyed, that was not warranted man. 3% hp loss per second is something they never even playtested. Because if they did they would realize how unplayably stupid blood pact now is.

[kind shale]

Imo they should utilize a vote system and the test servers which should be available to EVERYONE

[plain stag]

If what you're saying is true, I don't particularly mind a high skill ceiling class to be considered "vital." Better than warlocks point and click adventure past couple weeks.

[hard marlin]

haha honestly yeah! I really came here just to get opinions on the patch notes, so I appreciate your input!

[fringe sinew]

Are you suggesting community consensus on game balance?

[cunning gyro]

Wizard got fucked because it's arguably poorly designed, if you notice, players always complain about classes they think have no counterplay, (druids insta reseting, warlocks doing the same but overtuned, wizards having strong damage with large amounts of spacing, rangers being the same but with survivability, rogues going invisible.) The fact is, people just aren't good at the game, its the fact that a large amount of the crowd doesn't understand that in a competitive game (of which this is trying to be) you need to be thinking about possibilities at all times, this game is tough, with a lot to think about and a lot more to do, however, its played like a casual game, and this gives people bad feelings because they get punished (fairly) for making mistakes, but a casual gamer isnt playing to get punished for being bad, hes playing to get sick loot, and will then ultimately complain

[hard marlin]

I still wish test servers were the f2p server. lol

[kind shale]

I'm suggesting community consensus on whether or not they should implement a change they want to into the test server before then moving it over to the main game where there is a ranked system that could use and abuse an untested change

[empty zealot]

That would alike to hacking the game, soo not possible

[hushed hollow]

CRY BABIES WILL ALWAYS BE CRY BABIES. THEY WILL COMPLAIN IF THEY CANT WIN.

[deft zealot]

are servers down?

[hard marlin]

There's an announcement tab, bc I'll lie to you.

https://discord.com/channels/988365908009447485/988662112454836234

[cunning gyro]

I agree, the skill curve on this game is high, and unlike a game like CS or VAL, there is no clear path to practice to get better other than through sheer experience, I don't think a practice mode will ever exist in this game, but it defo would mitigate some of the problems that arise from newer players being punished for making mistakes that feel like they have no counterplay (when in reality they fail to make the correct decisions)

[kind shale]

I will tell you now, I mained into Warlock because I enjoy playing Spellsword characters. Warlocks now never want melee and just want to run and cast and heal. Why play Wizard at that point?

[spare elbow]

I dont think players would be good at making the best choices for a game tbh. People may think something is a good change but fail to forsee how it effects the game overall

[potent horizon]

Seems like they pivoted to a PVE update and are back to PVP buffs/nerfs over and over, back and forth. Not sure they understand thats what made them lose tons of ppl. You cannot balance PVP in a game like this with solos, duos, and trios. And its not even that important considering many fights you get 3rd partied anyway and die. They should just focus on nothing but PVE content and leave PVP as is.

[finite bridge]

Honestly wizards still feel like they are in a better place then they were a few months ago when the ruins maps was out so I ain't gonna lie, despite the less spells, I am enjoying wizard main more than ever

[full gorge]

BUFF > NERF

[wind crest]

So I've almost exclusively played ranger, I am not the most experienced in this game but I do enjoy it. I recently rolled a druid and feel like they have alot more potential than a ranger between the CC, Heals, Damage and can wield spears. Does anyone know of a video I could watch to learn how to play the druid well?

[deft lintel]

The only guide I know of is Poshypop on YouTube. In-depth on support Druid.

All though it think that assumes you know the basics

[plain stag]

players always complain about classes they think have no counterplay, [...] The fact is, people just aren't good at the game, its the fact that a large amount of the crowd doesn't understand that in a competitive game (of which this is trying to be) you need to be thinking about possibilities at all times, this game is tough, with a lot to think about and a lot more to do, however, its played like a casual game, and this gives people bad feelings because they get punished (fairly) for making mistakes

I've noticed this to a degree in other competetive games. People just don't want to learn and adapt, they want the devs to shape the game to make people play the way they think the game should be played.

Lord, MOBA players are the worst with this.

[worldly orbit]

anyone knows if they will ever bring back ruins

[wind crest]

I don't really have many people to play with, I mostly do solo runs and I know the basics for sure just want to learn to play him better but would like to aim more for an offensive play style over support

[cunning gyro]

Druid has a ton of versality, I'd argue it's better than the fighter in terms of being a "Jack of all trades" it also has the highest movement potential of any class, which is quite fun. I suggest watching somebody like poshypop if you're in trios, or SoBadStrange for solos.

[cunning gyro]

I hate mobas and swear against them for this reason. That crowd doesn't understand balance if it was spelt out for them. LOL

[kind shale]

That's why it should be tested first. If it's busted people will get sick of being killed by it and realize oh yeah no don't add that. Games always add test servers but then never use them

[spare elbow]

Usually because not nearly enough people touch the test server to actually test anything

[hard marlin]

Honestly thats fair!

It's funny to have people complain about things being OP, when really there's always counterplay. 3rd party fights is very strategic as well. I mean I'm not top tier or as good or competitive as I'd say maybe most people at this game, but pvp has been pretty fair imo. I've always been able to see my misplay versus just blaming shit on class diff and vice versa sometimes its a skill dif, or even in being third partied. Just knowing how to reposition if possible.

[plain stag]

I'm a grandmasters shaco main in league. I'm very familiar with what you're saying in all this, haha

[fringe sinew]

I've looked at a few other games on how long it took to get a training room
The Hunt Showdown took around 4-5 years
League took 8 years
Tarkov took around 1-2 years

I hope this game doesn't end take as long as the hunt.

[quaint stump]

HEY GUYS DEVS HERE WE SAW THAT WARLOCK WAS KINDA BORING AND YOU ALL ONLY PLAYED IT ONE WAY SO WE MADE DEMON FORM VIABLE SO ITS AN OPTION OPPS WE OVERTUNED IT WELL REMOVE THAT FROM THE GAME ENTIRELY NOW. PLEASE RETURN TO YOUR REGULAR SCHEDULED DOING THE SAME MOVE OVER AND OVER WARLOCK GAME PLAY

[lavish ivy]

I agree with this, since aslong as youre not outright harrassing somebody youre only responsible for what you say, but not how others interpret it.

And if you are pulling an 180° in your argumentation that is indeed a Mental Stunt that youve put out, but it is not an insult considering that nobody can know how you really think but yourself and people can only see and react on what you say and how you behave

[finite bridge]

The game is in early access tho, they are testing it out for a full release later on. This is why I don't mind the frequent patches while they figure out the baseline they want tbh

[cunning gyro]

Players in mobas think an unfavourable class matchup means something is broken, my brother in christ, the game is balanced around class matchups

[versed isle]

life without dark and darker

[kind shale]

True I don't mind either. They're doing a lot of good changes frequently and typically see their mistakes

[hard marlin]

YO much appreciated, I've seen Poshy, but I'll look up sobadstrange and see how he solo plays. Very versatile class indeed.

[quaint stump]

wth you doin on here get in dank

[cunning sequoia]

ngl this took me awhile to learn, i would get tilted. But even in this game you have a few options to deal with bad matchups you just need to be on point with it

[latent briar]

Whats wrong with moba players?sadly 90%ofthem are average goldstucks who dont even know how to properly build.Those who reach highelo knows what is counterplay.I can guess the same applies here.Majority is normal player,maybe 10%highroll and 1% above certain ladder rating.People will always cry about things

[fringe sinew]

Coming from fighting games it feels insane how other people treat a losing matchup

[deft glade]

1 damage for wizards and everyone else gets more hp

[potent horizon]

Yeah they removed circle which forced PVP on maps near the end usually. Now that it's gone the game still lacks PVE content and feels pretty lame. They just need to add more unpredictability atleast, like random events and maybe roaming bosses, treasure hunts, etc. Like just add a treasure goblin you can possibly find that roams around and runs if you fight.

[mossy barn]

It aint over til it's over.

[hard marlin]

is it not under maintenance?

[quaint stump]

were in dank and danker chatting it up

[cunning gyro]

Also depends if you like playing druid as a caster, or just str/agi stacking and sneaking up on people, theres a few other ccs i could suggest but i couldnt say off the top of my head, if you want to do stat stacking and those guides id suggest searching along the lines of "bear build/panther build (chicken build if ur funny af)

[fringe sinew]

Tbf in dark and darker you sometimes get gear checked in +25 norms, and you just have to nod your head and accept that you got blown up because your stats weren't good enough

[cunning gyro]

Exactly, like, as a druid, if I get curse of pained as a bear then try to turn into a rat to reset, i made the mistake, it doesnt mean warlock is busted just because its an unfavourable class matchup, i need to better plan the fight (or not take the fight at all)

[kind shale]

I agree with these. I also think a bounty board that gives daily good rewards for doing pvp and specific pve or specific rooms would help. Everyone would want to get the rewards from them and that'll naturally cause pvp

[hard marlin]

Chicken looks funny asf for sure, I could see how it could be viable.
Thanks btw!

[finite bridge]

You only make the mistake of turning into rat once around a warlock before you learn that lesson XD

[cunning sequoia]

ppl dont realize you dont have to fight everyone you see either

[merry chasm]

Does anyone know if I can get the frost skleleton skin ?

[kind shale]

The people like this will probably enjoy Arena more

[hard marlin]

I feel ya. Moving into some diablo territory here, but I like the ideas

[finite bridge]

I think they are trying to encourage that with the recent wave of new quests being kill specific class quests, but I wouldn't mind some daily objectives either ngl

[fringe sinew]

One of the big lessons in tabletop games, if it's not a winnable fight just walk away, no reason to tpk to a cr 4 higher than your class level

[winter wigeon]

Where phantomize nerf

[south nest]

is there some difference with playing on Steam/Epic/Blacksmith?

[amber rover]

yeah

[kind shale]

I think Dailies that are the same for everyone would work out good. Say maybe lump gold for killing 10 or so champion skeletons on crypt. That'll put a lot of people in Crypt for that day going after the SPECIFIC areas where Champions spawn, meaning there's a gathering area

[finite bridge]

Someone can correct me if I am wrong, but I think that was from a previous season so it isn't available anymore. I believe you need to get to a highroller rank to receive that bonus stuff

[fringe sinew]

Explosive bottle

[potent horizon]

I just dont think these developers understand the dungeon crawling aspect of this game. Ice abyss they prolly spent months designing but its virtually 100% dead because theirs nothing special in it besides a boss that requires 4 to do. They couldn't even add unique items and unique drops to that entire level they designed. Its like they want to design nothing but a battle royale with extraction elements.

[plain stag]

Goblin caves does this decently well i think. Players naturally congregate to the cave troll/cyclops locations.

Now do the same to the other two maps.

[lucid sand]

Did they just gut warlock?

[cunning gyro]

People don't understand the value of positioning and gamesense (and by extension spacing). I've never played melee games in my life (being a trueblooded tac shooter player) so I'm still learning what it means to have good spacing and how to take advantage of it (or survive unfavourable spacing). But not once in this game have I felt like "this was unfair, I had no means of escape or winning this fight, every decision I made was favourable, and I still lost) UNLESS it was a bad gear matchup, in which case, does sting a little lol. So the constant complaints of classes that take advantage of spacing the strongest (casters and ranged) just prove to me that this community doesn't actually know what they're playing, or how to PVP.

[frosty thunder]

🎣 🫃 🇫 ℹ️ 🇸 🇭 ℹ️ 🇳 🇬 🫃 🎣

[merry chasm]

It was for or is a reward for the collectors questline

[kind shale]

Yeah Abyss definitely isn't done. It does need more. More smaller bosses and what not. More items too. Maybe another ore? Idk I'm not a game developer but I agree 😂

[hard marlin]

I personally enjoy that they took the circle out, and I do feel they should maybe add a couple more objectives to each map, as you said. Bc it would add pvp focus as well.

[wind crest]

okay thank you! His video was extremely informative, he plays an awesome druid

[steady valley]

🎣 🫃 🇫 ℹ️ 🇸 🇭 ℹ️ 🇳 🇬 🫃 🎣

[severe glade]

I dont think this patch really changed warlock much. I thought the main issue for other people was dealing with Warlocks are a slog given their infinite hp recovery, fast movement speed and phantomize.

[kind shale]

Yeah pvp should be natural. Forced pvp is only gonna be used and abused imo. When all you prioritize is getting to zone so you can zone lock and force someone to blind push or die to zone it becomes more luck based imo. Like oh sweet I got zone let me just chill vs oh shit zone is on the other side of the map fuck looting let's go

[finite bridge]

You get rewards for getting certain ranks in highroller. I believe it was a previous season reward and now that the season is over, it can't be obtained. At least from my understanding. So there is no way to get it now?

[cunning gyro]

I think it makes it harder for warlocks to instantly reset & gives larger windows for mistakes for platelocks. This isnt intended to nerf the damage output of a warlock, but their utility attrition capabilities.

[plain stag]

Their heal perk got nerfed. Just not nearly enough. And healing off hydra is still problematic, yes.

[finite bridge]

Omg nothing would give me greater pleasure than good old freshwater dungeon fishing 🎣

[tawdry magnet]

guys need help i am new and asked my friend to download the game but when he launches the game its stuck on black screen and in task manager it says not responding tried several fixes on youtube nothing working

[royal dock]

will rat and chicken be able to crouch again?

[kind shale]

IMO my hottest take being a Warlock main is that they should flip the resistances for Phantomize. This game is based on Dungeon and Dragons, there's an argument that can be made for Phantomize blocking 100% MAGICAL and only 50% Physical, since in 5e Dungeons and Dragons Ghosts cant be targeted by spells. The biggest annoyance I see people have is that when they finally get on the caster Warlock, he Phantomizes, runs, and heals

[potent lark]

bc the game has a patch out rn

[fringe sinew]

Good spacing in this game feels so strange because a lot of it feels like it's based off of map knowledge and slowly leashing your opponent on where you want to go or stalemating. There's so many situations to cause a stalemate (as a rogue) and it feels way more beneficial because melee combat forces trades. I think it gets people to see the game as getting lamed out

[jagged siren]

They wanted to NERF Freaking Warlock yet he got buffed? 😄 Wada FUDJ

[fringe sinew]

Phantomize is like misty step, but misty step in dnd 5e is an absolutely misery inducing evil spell that shouldn't exist.

[potent horizon]

Their was a poll in the DND reddit where most ppl wanted more PVE updates but still seems like all they care about is balancing PVP. I dont know if games gonna get any better than how it is now. The barebones of it is extremely solid but it really has no depth as it is. Nothing to spend gold on but more gear and stashes. Just better battle royale games out their.

[royal dock]

i think the 3x torture mastery cost is too high, other than that the changes were fine

[dull fiber]

as a ranger what stats should i stack on gear???

[finite bridge]

Personal opinion but agility and strength and mby armor pen or weapon damage, mby ask the rangers in #ranger tho

[plain stag]

It's not even close to being enough on a geared warlock.

[potent horizon]

1/4 ur hp for a hydra is kinda awful. They really should have just reverted the 3x to 2x and made it undrainable.

[kind shale]

Armor pen can go hard if you use a crossbow. Youre just a hot knife on butter

[charred junco]

additional damage, not physy power
armor pen, str, agi is good too

[royal dock]

but what about low level locks that are jsut learning?

[potent lark]

patch is done after you install the update you and your friend should be good to go

[timid briar]

until which servers will be offline?

[plain stag]

It needs to be adjusted, can't just increase the health cost. The healing itself needs nerfed.

@royal dock what about low level wizards just learning?

[kind shale]

I don't mind it. I only use Hydra for blocking doors, whether that's to prevent a team to heal, or to cut an overaggressive player from his team

[cunning gyro]

Yeah, I notice the most favourable decision in most fights is to give up fighting. Rarely is it beneficial to you to continue a fight because its rather forgiving for players with bad spacing (unless fighting a caster or ranger) and its also rather difficult to capitalise on good spacing consistently meaning the TTK in this game can be considerably a drag. Especially in solos. In trios, its actually far worse to have bad spacing (due to the much much more limited space) and damage-casters value drops substantially as well. (not in front lines so difficult to still get the same damage output). Most stacked trios fights with decent players usually end up being stat + buff stacking one frontlines player hoping they capitalise on the spacing while trying to commit as much HOT as supports doing damage as a secondary thing. which leads to, quite a stale fight if im being honest

[timid briar]

until which servers will be offline

[finite bridge]

Idk while it is kinda funny when a warlock uses hydra 5 times to block a door and hide, it doesn't make the fight more fun XD

[digital wasp]

PLS ADD AUTO-SORT BUTTON TO STASH

[plain stag]

The kit itself has fundamental problems that need adjusting beyond number sliding.

[jagged siren]

i mean bruh everytime i fight Warlock he just sucks off on me and running around ! when i m low he deliverys last Blow.its Fine Dont Worry.

[royal dock]

wizard can still function the same way with low gear. but if warlock needs gear to play a certain style it locks newer players from testing. especially now we got steam release

[kind shale]

Exactly. Hydra I only use at most once a game, if at all, and only in certain circumstances

[cunning gyro]

You need better spacing, the simplest suggestion I could give you is closing a door and promoting him to push you, warlocks are stronger when they are being pushed (unless its a platelock in which case you would need to kite)

[finite bridge]

Yeah I think it has good uses but it was getting overused a lot in the past games I been having so idm a slight nerf on it

[plain stag]

A class you can't interact with. Nice.

[jagged siren]

Thanks for Advice,I know that ya,but its So So Tired some,Most of the Cases i just back off as i dont have patiante to play it out safe, i just meant the patch is Pretty fine to me.

[royal dock]

yeah but i feel like they should just increase the costs for curses instead of 3x all

[kind shale]

And that's not even to count them phantomizing and running. I think Phantomize needs a relook imo. It kill the chance for a kill when you catch them

[sly ridge]

hey guys, if party with 2 warlocks do curse of pain stack? 1 from each character?

[jagged siren]

Phantomize is so so,But Healing is what is broken ! its meaningless to Do any DMG If dude heals +7-10 TIck on per 😦

[royal dock]

nope

[sly ridge]

😦

[kind shale]

I'm a Warlock main and I think this update is in the right direction. Warlock should be using his whole kit. He has melee options and when he mixes the curses with his melee he can win a lot. The whole caster only thing should be Wizard players imo

[finite bridge]

I love it when warlocks phantomize but I main wizard so that is my time to shine/punish. It is hard tho if you got only physical damage

[steady valley]

GK was 1500 gold before servers went down, now they're at 6500 gold, and i insta logged in... some insider trading definitely went on lol

[strong gale]

what is GK

[kind shale]

Yeah I've watched my Fighter buddy struggle in a 2v2 in high roller. We lost to two healer caster Warlocks and it wasnt even a contest. Anytime he caught up they Phantomize and anytime he ranged and got a hit they'd heal on their Hydra

[finite bridge]

I think ppl just capitalizing on the change for the quest only needing you to have two handled gold keys instead of use it

[steady valley]

yea but prior to patch they were 1.5k and devs clearly bought them all up to 6k;P

[spare elbow]

Someone with 40k gold probably bought them all up instantly

[cunning gyro]

People are mass buying with the hope to resell for a higher price later, you probably checked to do the same thing LOL

[finite bridge]

That feels so bad esp in highroller I think they could probs get rid or nerf the healing off of hydra, like just use monsters, high risk, high reward

[spare elbow]

Plenty of dudes and groups with tens of thousands of gold each they couldve easly bought up 30 gold keys within a minute of logging in

[hard harness]

guys what do you think of these suggestions from my side for the future of the game I am open to criticism
• Allow F2P players to list items in the market, this well benefit legendary status players because there would be more choices to buy stuff.
• Make opening chests and looting 2 times as fast for all classes,
• Few mobs need a nerf health wise centipede, helmet shield skeleton, wraith, and yeti.
• Give ranger the buckler shield.
• Give barbs and cleric crossbow, should be weaker than ranger and fighter though. "this does not need to be implemented if it will break the game"
• Give all classes throwing knife.
• Increase the amount of torches on walls in the crypt map

[kind shale]

Yeah and I think Phantomize wouldnt feel as unfair if they flip the Physical and Magical Resistances

[steady valley]

correct but i instalogged;P no way i missed all from 1.5k up to 6k lol

[fringe sinew]

It's a very boring way to play, and I feel like stacking buffs that way has always been a problem in tabletop games too. The best way I've seen tabletops balance it is to separate buffs into different tiers to prevent stacking, and give each buff a unique use case, such as a higher increase in the buffed stat but relatively short duration.
It'd force classes to be a bit more diverse, and might help with damage casters existence more, although I can't say for sure because I'm not a caster type, I just play a greedy solo/duo rogue.

[kind shale]

I love playing Support Cleric and ALSO casting damage spells. I just wish Cleric and Druid HAD more damage spells.

[cunning gyro]

You underestimate that thousands of other people have the exact idea as you LOL, those people couldve been a second faster than you and unfortunately beat you to it, the same thing happened with gold and myself (i tried to instalog with the gold change but still got beat)

[spare elbow]

Almost all of these seem bad imo except maybe letting ftp sell,

[finite bridge]

Well I enjoyed chatting with yall, enjoy the dungeons
Shadow wizard gang, we love casting spells

[fringe sinew]

Give cleric spirit guardian's and spiritual weapon + sanctuary...

[worldly orbit]

can you stack a protection potion with a magic protection pot ?

[hard harness]

maybe just worse version of the weapon, like buckler and crossbow worse for the classes that don't have them currently

[unborn isle]

if i just linked my blacksmith account to steam, can i uninstall the blacksmith version now so i dont have 2 versions of the game? or is there a reason to keep both

[spare elbow]

Nope nor with cleric protection, whichever one is activated most recently cancels previous

[worldly orbit]

thanks

[hard harness]

what about those mobs though they are very strong for first floor

[finite bridge]

Nah you are free! Enjoy grinding more hours on steam now

[fringe sinew]

What's so special about golden keys?

[pine willow]

Could the devs remove druids ability to crow in the lobby, it's really making me target the class

[whole haven]

was this a buff or nerf to fighter sprint?

[azure notch]

adjustment

[kind shale]

Does anyone feel like their Magic Missile is lazy while everyone else that you fight has John Wick for a magic missile 😂

[cunning gyro]

They're currently a quest item, which already sold for a decent amount (it was used as a psuedo-currency like tf2 keys to keep gold storages low) before you had to organically use a key that was given to you for free, now you have to just buy a second key to complete the quest, which spiked their value.

[autumn oak]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/561119/summon-monsters-item

[unborn isle]

tyvm for the response my friend

[spare elbow]

Relatively High health but easy to kill. All of them have extremely easy attack paterns to learn and they drop the highest value stuff like capes that you cant get anywhere else on that level in normals except a lionshead or locked chest

[barren minnow]

I mean that would buff the Warlock
Theres no Physical aoe that i know off?
maybe Earthquake but cleric already got Holy aoe that is more frequently used and is a better counter

[whole haven]

i dont know what it was before so i dont really understand the change

[cunning gyro]

Rework, its hard to say whether this affects its EV or not, it's probably something along the lines of being easier to close a small gap but harder to pursue a fleeing enemy

[finite bridge]

Anytime

[azure notch]

So if I’m not mistaken, it was a flat 20 move speed for the duration
Now , it is 45 for 2 seconds,
30 for 2 seconds and then 15 for 2 seconds.
This is how I interpreted it

[barren minnow]

I mean they are Basicaly Mini bosses
bye that logic Hell would also need stuff like the Demon centaur nerfed
ice abbys the Wendigo etc
So we would get rid of their Elite status so also would need to reduce their loot
So now theres no longer a reason to fight them

[hard harness]

I still think they have very high health pool, maybe decrease it by 25 or 15 percent

[spare elbow]

They just nerfed it significantly not long ago, this change seems like a buff from the recent nerf, but compared to its previous state that was unchanged for a long time, its pretty close to an adjustment from that rather than buff or nerf

[hard harness]

I always get horrible loot from centipede, never gotten a cape from the mobs I mentioned, maybe my shit luck or something is off

[kind shale]

The biggest reason in my opinion to change it is then people who get on him can actually be awarded at least a little bit while he also still can phase through stuff. And if he gets away the only person who can really get him is Ranger who is already a pretty good counter to him. Idk like I said I play more of a Spellsword Warlock as a main so I use my spells when at a distance and then hit a curse before I enter melee range and I don't run Phantomize. Just agitates me a Warlock who's flimsier than me gets to run when i and my fighter buddy get on him 😂 maybe I'm biased for that reason

[vapid arch]

no because then the only reason to buy the game is stash tab and season rewards
w/e
no
that's already a thing, its called bard
lol no
maybe
why?

[steady valley]

nah bruv, IM themselves buy during downtime , trust lol

[cunning gyro]

The healthpool is intentional to provide you with a "stopping point" you aren't meant to be able to clear a ton of the dungeon, rather methodically clear a small section, the high HP is intended to limit the EV of loot you can grab & also punish mistakes more harshly. You can kill most non elite/nightmare skeles with three spear hits to the head, and the minibosses are intended to be lengthy fights

[spare elbow]

You gotta kill more than one in a match. In gc you can drop 4 centipeded and 1-2 skele champions if you dont hit too much pvp. In crypt you can drop 2-3 wraiths and 2 skele champions. If you do this type of clearing youll get a decent chance at a cape, good rings, or at least some valuable gear.

[hard harness]

Its still way too long to kill centipedes, it's rather very annoying

[barren minnow]

Well that got nothing to do with the resistances
Phantomise makes you unhittable bye anything besides aoe and reduces your magic Resist
if you just switch the reduced Magic resist to Physical then that just means he cant be hit bye anything besides Aoe (agein i think all of the aoes are Magic) and would take more Physical dmg (that cant even hit him)
So

[cunning gyro]

Centipedes take forever, but they're also incredibly simple for a miniboss (by far the easiest miniboss)

[steady valley]

super easy mob tbh, just need not garbage dps

[prisma grove]

It's not letting me download the patch, it says "Disk Write Error" can anyone assits me please.

[kind shale]

I think a lot of people sleep on Frost Walkers too. I've gotten some decent stuff from them. Heard people complaining about the blue eyes quest but it's a non problem if you stop avoiding the frost walkers, which can drop nice jewelry

[bitter citrus]

agree centipede is super easy if they reduced its health they'de need to take it off the miniboss list

[spare elbow]

Centipede might not be worth the time in base gear but with some damage gear on its a lot faster and you can get really good jewelry occasionally

[solemn siren]

🤓

[steady valley]

can do centipede naked... just rotate around it while attacking

[cunning gyro]

centipede is hold left click and strafe simulator with small breaks inbetween while it squirms

[spare elbow]

I know, that doesnt make it worth the time when its drops can be complete garbage. I’ve gotten two white health potions more often than id like lol

[hard harness]

regarding crypt torches that map needs more torches on walls even if they are unlit to begin with, don't wanna take multiple torches just to see what's happening there, and listing items would be good for the game if f2p players can do it too

[prime maple]

yessssss little ants seeve and reee. Feed me!

[steady valley]

at least youll actuallyt pick those up whereas most mobs theres a 75% chance i dont even take the loot lol

[bitter citrus]

it's worth the time if it drops a purple ring. anything has a chance of dropping garbage.

[cunning gyro]

I just realised hal is probably just trolling if he thinks the game dark and darker should have more torches

[hard harness]

I never gotten capes from mobs, is that even a thing

[spare elbow]

Wraiths definetly, pretty sure skele champion too. Not sure about yeti ive only killed a few i havent done ice a lot this wipe

[steady valley]

what is GK price bottom? lets pump and dump this bad boy

[cunning gyro]

Yeti drops cloaks as stated by the wiki, each individually having a drop chance of 0.1105% at rare

[hard harness]

guess had bad luck with capes, only gotten them from chests and market and players 😎

[rapid vapor]

I've had a few drop from mobs, but most of the time I get mine out of lions heads and marvelous

[cunning gyro]

i think 80% of my capes have been from the quests

[hard harness]

yeah, lions head chest and big rare chest I get from, but miniboss mobs need to have thier cape drop loot increased or something

[bitter citrus]

ya go for high grade chest for capes. get them from them all the time

[spare elbow]

Yeah the drop chances are close to the same but chests drop more total items so better chance to roll a cape each time overall

[hard harness]

thats what I do but wish you can get them from mobs too

[spare elbow]

I think you just have bad luck i get them on wraiths notably often

[whole haven]

wish they gave casting classes less upfront memory but made memory a part of every piece of their gear and then upped the numbers on all high level spells to make it really feel like progression when finding better gear.

[rapid vapor]

They optimized it a bit

[hard marlin]

We talking stocks? If so I'm down.

[fleet hamlet]

Hello, @zinc sparrow, @plush rivet, @oblique isle. I need you to ask someone to fix this golden key quest. Yesterday, I wanted to finish quest with golden key, I took key, interacted with door, looted some bangles and things like this. Unfortunately I wasn't able to escape dungeon, because some rocket attack ruined electricity. Today I wanted to claim my reward, because I finished requirement, but I can't, because your devs ruined everything by changing requirements. I want you to give me back my "claim reward" button right now. I don't want to spend 1000 to buy new key, I did everything quest asked for yesterday.

[cunning gyro]

Actually, its 6k, per key, hope that helps! 😊

[steady valley]

yezzir. 3k gold GK bottom, target price 7k ;P

[cunning gyro]

You guys overestimate the demand this change will bring for GK, of the players that quest hunt for the hundred gold bangles, there will only be a few that don't want to or don't know how to get GK's by now, and then like, once normal players manage to get every rare necklace under the sun, the demand will already have settled

Correction: GK TO THE MOON BABY

[steady valley]

gk was 1.5k before patch, spiked to 7k when servers opened, currently sityting at 3.6k

[cunning gyro]

It spiked because of speculation, not because of the demand of quest go-ers, quest go-ers don't log on to the patch the second it comes out to buy GK's unfortunately, I'm almost certain the price will stagnate at low 2k if anything, its also used as a psuedo currency, how do you expect that crowd to react to price gouging their legendaries with a volatile asset. It's like if you did TF2 trading with keys but keys could randomly change value between days. Love the market speculation, but being a necessary critique.

Also, almost certain I ran into my first wallhacker yesterday. Whenever I go high roller I always join the game the second the map rolls over (to be the first one in) and then I turn into a rat and hide in a spot nobody can see you. Someone came near me, looking around and went "where are you? are you a rat or something?" when i was just afk not moving in my hidey hole. Defo a weird encounter

[dusky smelt]

Could anyone tell me where they moved gold ore this seasosn?

[spare elbow]

I mean copper spiked to almost 1000 for a stack of powder after tailor quest came out, and you needed almost 2 full stacks to craft the items… so people are willing to to drop thousands on quests. Could stay higher

[cunning gyro]

In the room thats unlocked when you kill both cyclops and cave troll

[cunning gyro]

Yeah but you also werent given half the copper you needed to complete the quest and that also spiked due to speculation

[hollow grove]

theres this 1 quest thats instant crashing my game when i claim it LOL

[whole haven]

rapiers should have a parry riposte system like longsword.

[cunning gyro]

If it was quest go-ers that wanted the items, the price would raise organically as supply diminished, not spiked then dropped again, especially when it comes to the quests that are SECOND like copperlight or the key quest, not everyone gets those at the same time, they are organically earnt over different periods of time, yes the price will be higher than before, but sustained growth in a margin more than 30% (being nice here) seems incredibly unlikely

[spare elbow]

In the case of copper though, people recognized the demand and starting doing runs farming for copper to easy profit, so supply increased heavily at the same time demand did, which brought price down a bit but it remained inflated for days

[cunning gyro]

it remained inflated, because of speculative buyers. you shouldve seen some of the inventories i saw of people with copper and gold just mass buying it. hope they lost their gold LOL

[steady valley]

it was 1.5k before this patch, 2k will not be the new price, you get a free GK the quest before having to use it, now every person who wants to complete that quest NEEDS to buy or find a second GK

[spare elbow]

What buffoons. I profited off their greed 😂 made like 4k in 6 runs or so

[candid burrow]

I think warlock is imbalance class

[cunning gyro]

Golden Keys have been used as a currency for ages, do you really think a quest will ultimately affect the crowd of people that have hoards of these keys to buy legendaries? LOL those people will not sell their legendaries for less keys because of the price increase, and so those people with keys they think hold more value will sell their keys, and the supply will increase dramatically

[steady valley]

i guarantee it will affect price. GK isn't used as currency anywhere near as much as it once was

[topaz ridge]

wooden spoon not gonna mention quest changes? keys shot up to 3k and they didnt even mention this change

[steady valley]

more people need to buy GK, simple increase of demand with no change in supply = price go up

[cunning gyro]

Guys just pre-speculate on the new quest items if they seem difficult to get (HR only application/Boss farming) much better odds of profit

[topaz ridge]

true mb should of thought they would change a quest they had last wipe randomly for 0 reason

[somber basin]

it is very nice how fast they do updates

[spare elbow]

Its in the announcement fam

[proud stream]

Can the gold piles in normals drop the golden coin chest?

[topaz ridge]

yeah they edited it i have the original SS of the patch notes

[cunning gyro]

GK's had next to no demand prior to this, they are used as a currency and thats it, the golden room is NOT work 1.3k even before the change, it held that value because of its utility as a currency. Now its utility as a currency will be less effective as its now a volatile asset with a real application & the people mass hoarding them as replacement for coinbags (which a lot of people do incl myself) will be able to make bank mass selling

[steady valley]

thats not how supply and demand works tho. there will be just as many GKs but more buyers than ever. its really simple

[spare elbow]

If it was edited it was done so very quickly after they posted it bc it was there when i read it before update was done

[whole haven]

wizard needs such a massive buff its not even funny. how can i (base kit) hit a ranger (basekit) with 2 fireballs and stab him in the chest and hes still alive but he hits me with one arrow and stabs me once with spear and im dead. fml

[cunning gyro]

Supply is what is on the market, not what is in peoples inventories. there are hundreds of millions of CS cases hidden in player inventories but they hold value because only a small amount are being dripfed into being sold, supply will go up massively, but truly I hope you cope

[steady valley]

supply = in raid drop rate

[topaz ridge]

ah so i should just keep reading the patch notes over and over to see if they edit stuff instead of them taking the extra 5 minutes to read over there own patch notes

[spare elbow]

Basekit wizard is simply pretty weak.

[whole haven]

its pathetic is what it is

[cunning gyro]

Not in an economy where individuals control assets, oil has a large supply as in a lot of it underground, but the actual supply is very limited due to our mining techniques and trade exports

[steady valley]

brother i literally day trade stocks for like 7 years, i know a supply demand adjustment when i see one;P

not tryna start drama tho, not sure why u "hope i cope"?

[spare elbow]

Nah, but you said it wasnt in the notes and it was.

[topaz ridge]

but it wasnt when i read it so whats the point of it

[cunning gyro]

Were you a speculative day trader? 😂 Day trade penny stocks or meme coins?

[steady valley]

but idk, im already proven right with GK sitting comfy at 4k rn vs 1.5k pre patch... keep arguing against a point thats already been proven i guess?

[spare elbow]

Sucks for you but most people who read the notes saw it hence the instant price adjustment

[topaz ridge]

why cant they just read what they write before they post it, it takes 2 seconds to dubble check but it means alot of people miss it when they read it before changes

[unborn spruce]

So Demon Form is dead now, right??

[steady valley]

so far i sniped ONE gk for 2.8k lol, people are too quick with them clicks for me i guess

[pliant tinsel]

rip warlocks

[cunning gyro]

its been an hour as opposed to like, two weeks of stagnation, its like textbook speculation, it looks like the CS2 Bowie knife after the second hand got added, or rubies after their texture was changed slightly

[spare elbow]

Seems like a small thing to worry about, but i agree its a mistake they often make they can do better

[robust ruin]

any fellow barbarians want to drown our nerfed-into-the-ground sorrows?

[steady valley]

oh two weeks from now? sure price will come down, but how high it will go before that... im guessing 7k-ish. pretty standard pump and dump type behavior.

but we're agreeing on what happened but disagreeing on the outcome. we both agree that now there is the utility and trade value of GK, which i think makes price go up, you think this makes price go down because more people will sell

[topaz ridge]

yeah i know its a small thing but it shouldn't be a thing xD thats my issue with it cause they do this so much every announcement is edited with something they changed but forgot to mention, even last wipe were they changed the skele champs aa animation without telling anyone and removed most of the cheese spots on heath shrines without telling anyone they do it constantly and its just a issue that shouldn't happen.

[spare elbow]

Eh i think its kinda funny when they silently remove cheese spots and ppl die trying to cheese mobs that arent terribly hard to fight normally

[cunning gyro]

Okay, yeah you could probably pump and dump but I'm almost certain you're too late, I watched gold ore and ingots very closely after the change, the highest price was just after the patch came out, and it only ever dropped after that even tho that was a starter quest and everyone had it. I'm going to be honest, I spec bought tons of GK's because I knew it was going to change, since F2P cannot complete the quest, I'm winning here lol cuz i bought at 1k-1.5k but I fear you may be investing to heavily already

[topaz ridge]

oh its hella funny but still should be mentioned

[spare elbow]

Homie trying to ride the wave but you were the wave. 🧠

[ivory tendon]

Nah defo don't allow f2p players to list items in the market. At that point they basically have the entire game for free and will not feel the need to spend 35 dollars for a few extra perks

[keen bluff]

a monk class would be fun idea just run around the dungeons throwing fists with people

[cunning gyro]

GK's are a safe spec buy anyway, since, even if there was no change, its used as a foundation for a psuedo-currency, meaing it couldnt really lose value in any meaningful way (outside of it being given for free as a quest item however, since F2P who couldnt use it couldnt sell and the Legendary status players would rather complete the quest, the effective supply wouldnt have gone up much at all

[spare elbow]

Eh one class slot and no shared tab is still a lot but yeah it would feel like ftp is creeping on paid version a lot at that point

[whole haven]

its just rogues with fists. i think we have enough classes they're struggling to balance. everyone just needs more perks and more spells

[cunning gyro]

Lowkey, I think having two characters but no shared slot might be a better incentive for free to play, like, imagine you find this insanely goated gear but for your wizard instead of your bard or something, wouldnt you be more enticed to buy to transfer the item, as opposed to buy to be able to use the item on a new character you've never touched and have no attachement to

[supple solar]

Damn, they didnt let Warlocks use the arming sword in these tweaks, how unfortunate, all I want is to be able to use the arming sword

[keen bluff]

true

[spare elbow]

Bring back lantern slayer fighter and we can talk

[ivory tendon]

So should I buy golden keys?

[cunning gyro]

NO LOL, unless you're trying to spec pump and dump the spec traders, if you are looking to complete the quest, id honestly just wait a couple of days

[ivory tendon]

They were 800 like 2 days ago and now they're 4300 im tempted to buy more in anticipation of them rising ( i have 3 ) or im wondering if I shgould just sell mine and take the profits, I have 50,000 gold and I might buy a few, but idk

[supple solar]

Ngl, would it even be that bad? Lanterns don't provide MS anymore, unless you get lucky with enchants, and When I did slayer fighter I just ignored the slayer perk and went Swiftness anyway because speed is better than 5 dmg a lot of the time for me

[ivory tendon]

lowkey what abt slayer fighter with a castillon dagger cuz 5+ weapon dmg and the 10 percent action speed would be insane on such a high dps weapon

[broken cove]

Right when warlocks were fun we get nerfed in 24hrs the one time ironmace is good with updates ffs

[inland roost]

I have done all alchemist quests and can't craft grimsmile rings yet, where do the one in the market come from?

[spare elbow]

It was my favorite and lantern never provided move speed it used to have a movespeed debuff like any other weapon slot item, then after they removed the movespeed debuff they made it not work with slayer because it was a bit too powerful to activate slayer without any added weight in the offhand. Id rather they bring its weight back and make it work again i love having a lantern in hand but its not viable on most classes

[topaz ridge]

quest

[ivory tendon]

Are Gold Coin bags a worthy buy? Like do their prices fluctuate heavy or nah

[cunning gyro]

their EV is 1k in named trading, their price has gone up due to spec buying, I'm selling at the moment, quite effectively, and making quite a sum but to play devils advocate, you could spec buy in the hopes the price would go up, unfortunately previous quest-specific price increases only last a few hours to a day before settling. Gold Ore namely, It's up to you but I'd be safe and sell at the already high margin

[spare elbow]

You have 50 k gold it seems like you dont need to play the market to gain wealth really? Lol

[prime maple]

well there goes the game balance. warlock buffed

[ivory tendon]

im sorry my brain is too poopy to read that right now so imma just ask you this should I buy gold ore?

[cunning gyro]

you shouldnt spec buy anything in this game lol

[rustic laurel]

is warlock finally a little bit less broken?

[spare elbow]

Lol their advice seems to be “if you want to profit on the GK price hike, now is probably the time to sell”

[ivory tendon]

well its not all gold its like 20k of rubysilver ingots from market manipulation 15k from gkeys and the rest is gold

is it normal to have a paper that I update every time I play dark and darker to track various prices of all the different valuable ores/items that are on flea market

[spare elbow]

Some people enjoy playing trade simulator in this game yeah. If you are smart about it you can make a lot of money for little time investment

[supple solar]

Ah I see, I don't think thats even all that bad still, I never had a problem with slayers when I played back when it was a thing because they could still be popped by magic or physical burst, I only really ever had a major problem with rangers

[ivory tendon]

yyeah besides the actual game this game is fr a trading simulator, last wipe i waited for a hotfix and loaded back in insanely quick bought like 40k worth of gold keys and then relisted all of them for triple whati bought them for and made like atleast 100k profit

[proven anchor]

Is there a replay system which allows me to view a previous match?

[grave snow]

Is there a way to tie your original purchase to your steam account yet?

[rancid gull]

anyone have a good benchmark amount of strength to build for ranger?

[prime maple]

lol the salt

[spare elbow]

Yeah slayer needs high movespeed to outplay in melee fights and get close to casters quickly, but its pretty weak this wipe. Ive leaned into a block specialist fighter build this wipe with breakthrough instead of sprint

[wind venture]

There are seriously 0 solo wizards in this game. Not seen one for a week, literally.

[ivory tendon]

btw guys i dont need money at this point anymore so here's this trick i use all the time and is quite useful. Because nearly everyone sells copper ore ( or really any ore for that matter) in stacks of 5, people who buy a 5 stack of ore and then only need 1 or 2 pieces more to craft something will pay extra if you list a singular ore for half of the price of a full stack of 5,. people don't think about just buying another 5 stack and reselling 4 so if you do this on all the ore markets you can make thousands of gold relatively ez. just throwing tht out there

[spare elbow]

Yeah wiz is not in a great place without a lot of gear i think

[jaunty steeple]

it did give move speed

[wind venture]

@spare elbowno gear wiz is a joke, geared? 1v10

[whole haven]

everytime i try my wiz boy i get devastated by its crap and then go back to doing literally anything else

[celest maple]

my game stuck at 100% updating

[west garden]

HELLO 🗣️ 📣

[ivory tendon]

when that happened to me and wouldnt go away for a few minutes I just reinstalled my game, it can be a pain with slow wifi but for me it took like 10 mins.

[supple solar]

But yeah I think they did an ok thing nerfing Torture Mastery, but in reality, I think they needed to bring up Shadow Touch, as well. TM is op but the PROBLEM was that Shadow Touch is inferior in every way despite requiring the most risk. Now Shadow Touch is still mediocre-bad, and TM is just raw to use. I don't get why ST doesn't have any form of scaling. The reason I want the arming sword is because I just like it's moveset and I think it makes more sense than the bardiche OR Halberd OR Zweihander. I also think it just would would really well with ST, without having to be a Warlock with a Dagger and a Shield.

The Halber Bardiche, Zweihander Longsword meme makes SOME sense. They're both defensive or offensive versions of "Poleaxe" and "Twohanded Sword" but like, who actually uses the Zweihander and feels comfortable with it? I avoid that thing like the plague, and while I think the Bardiche and the Halberd are ok feeling, I would still prefer to lose one for an arming sword. I just like it's moveset that much

[spare elbow]

I cant remeber because it was changed like 4 times in a matter of weeks maybe it did give move speed for a little while

[glad oar]

So does the hr ap change affect people who just do pve and looting?

[unreal obsidian]

Does "a giant problem" crash when turning in for everyone?

[ivory tendon]

Can someone tell me what mystical gems are for?

[blissful yarrow]

Dms r open

[spare elbow]

Opens some door somewhere

[unreal obsidian]

Does "a giant problem" crash when turning in for everyone?

[jaunty steeple]

i forget when but i remember coming back and missing the ms on it lmao

[unique current]

why does my dark and darker launcher say ''server error. please try again (2)" everytime i try to login, and when i finally get in to the launcher my game says ''Cant launch game - Payment status verification failed"...

[slow bobcat]

Out of nowhere my game is consistently crashing in the middle of matches. Anyone else or just me?

[fierce canopy]

Same since last patch

[icy cliff]

RIP Torture Mastery

[wraith girder]

Is it just me or do warlocks curses just not apply on enemies anymore? /like i click on the crosshair on an enemy and iit doesn t work

[crystal shoal]

Skill issue

[potent raptor]

Removing treasure ap to just bring it straight back is crazy.. Reducing entry costs would have made it so you don't need perfect runs to go positive, and eliminated funnel meta. Gg season

[undone schooner]

so how in an update for nerfing warlocks do they still buff them

[wraith girder]

Nah, I can aim just fine. It also doesnt let me interact with doors on my warlock.

[subtle heart]

why the FUCK is it so laggy

[fleet hamlet]

@somber galleon no, it was never a requirement. Interact with golden door, any map

[rare adder]

i’m new to warlock, lvl 40 something, was already having troubles with it, is it worth even stacking shards now? someone pls halp

[somber galleon]

Ah, if that’s all it requires then yeah idk

[lyric slate]

server keeps crashing

[barren minnow]

I mean Demonlock is probably dead
Staking shards for Darkness effects (Either return dmg or spells) is worth it
Maybe even for the eldritch shield if it also works

[rare adder]

uhg that sounds like work now

[dull quarry]

can we please stop putting quest rewards in your inventory... go in with base kit but i have a purple in my invent.. gg

[unborn radish]

says server is operational, but launcher says maintance?

[wind venture]

Why didn't they nerf phantism man -__-

[teal tundra]

same for me

[wind venture]

Most broken piece of SHIT abaility in the entire fucking game. REMOVE the speed, DON'T let it be combined with flame walk.

[jade nexus]

Same here. I'm on blacksmith

[celest maple]

there a way to get starting gear back without killing myself?

[haughty zealot]

can we play the game ?

[foggy raptor]

go to squire there is a button to get your base gear

[unborn radish]

like it finished 2 hours ago, how df is it still down?

[topaz warren]

why is there a patch just bout everyday at same time "when i get off work" 😮

[jade nexus]

I updated, closed and reopened 2 more times, there is another update and it doesn't say maintenance anymore. idk wtf is going on with it. But yea now it's working lol

[merry flame]

for all that still have maintenance you just have to keep closing and reopening the launcher till it lets you update

[icy cliff]

TM warlocks got a 50% cost increase and melee warlocks dont use Phant, its fine

[jade nexus]

I had to update twice