game-discussion

[thorn agate]

Sounds good. Get me the Discord.

[fading root]

Just let your jaw flap around in the wind, the jay griffy subs will hear the slack and appear before you

[empty sun]

no problem

[thorn agate]

Anyways, how much does a Key go for?

[potent scroll]

2250 or something like that... or 1250

[robust mica]

Who cares they’re just gonna change everything and wipe it anyways I don’t get why everyone’s so focused on stuff that literally doesn’t matter

[strong mountain]

isnt wipe in like 2 months tho

[manic sluice]

why are keys so expensive me and my friend got lucky and got 2 in a row yesterday, useed one and got nothing good from it

[robust mica]

You’re just getting farmed for interactions. The core game is an unfinished broken mess and the gameplay loop is inconsistent the servers are dogwater they still haven’t added party fill options for solo players who want to cooperate the VoIP is busted the economy is a joke trade chat is a joke failed to connect error still exists and I don’t even give a crap about balance anymore because they have no idea what they’re even going to do next let alone what they’re doing right now. No development roadmap just pure catering to shills. The community does not, has not, and will not ever improve. Need I go on?

[strong mountain]

sounds like a skill issue to me

[robust mica]

🤷‍♂️ you were warned. I’ve been playing since the very very beginning but hey what do I know? Everyone’s here to cry and argue and I’m just burnt tf out on this roller coaster of a game that has killed all my hope for it ever realizing it’s potential

[strong mountain]

just play for fun bruh. I come from a game with a way worse dev team that killed their own game

[surreal zenith]

Oh which one!

[wind valley]

COD for sure

[strong mountain]

Mordhau. I have 3300hrs in that game and played it competitively, and if the dev team didn't decline a redbull sponsorship, I couldve made money off comp rather than it just being for rep in a limited community

[robust mica]

It’s not fun. It hasn’t been fun since goblin caves was first released. Ohh you’re one of those “almost pro” gamers yeah you’ll fit right in here

[graceful juniper]

Is ther servers SUPER laggy for anyone else?

[strong mountain]

No, I play this game for fun and to rat. This game has no where near the raw mechanical skill you need for a game like mordhau. If you expect to always be able to out perform or beat someone in this type of game you're doom to be miserable, espeically if you're on of those people that only like to pvp or always looking to find where the pvp is

[formal ridge]

Blue portals should automatically open when the game timer runs out https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/518187/blue-portals-should-automatically-open-when-the-game-timer-runs-out

[formal ridge]

people be acting like this game has some crazy high skill ceiling when really the mellee is just rubbing into eachother and fishing for headshots and the range classes might as well be playing cod with magic and arrows. There is rarely room for counterplay because usually any skill expression the game actually has is gapped by gear diff and raw numerical advantages

[robust mica]

Don’t forget rampant cheats that are free and easy

[strong mountain]

Well ya obviously, you make a game with melee and have gear and weapons that effect stats, its bound to have issues like that, it's inevitable. If every class could have some sort of parry the game would have a higher ceiling for melee

[formal ridge]

I hate to be the guy drawing comparisons to Tarkov but gear diff isn't as dominant in that game. A rat actually has a chance of killing a geared player. I realize they're going for something different in this game but it's making the game feel shallower and shallower the longer it goes on

[strong mountain]

Ya especially sine tarkov just redid their hitbox and ballistics system I believe, so rats have an actual better chance to take down geared chads more than ever before now

[formal ridge]

It does make me wonder what a combat rework could do D&D, not to say they should do a full Mordhau but at least adding maybe things like a feint or parry to more weapons?? Idk

[gleaming cedar]

You'd be surprised what this cleric main can do with a quarterstaff on a barbarian against a ranger.

[strong mountain]

Just a parry system would go a long way. I tihnk its dumb only a few classes have the ability to block and or parry. Game is heavily playing footsies with eachother. Atleassts with that kind of system if would make melee fights more interesting between every class

[formal ridge]

Don't get me wrong there is definitely skill expression but it's got a ceiling compared to other games in the genre

[gleaming cedar]

There are.... 3 out of 8 classes that can't block at all.

i lied, 2 out of 8. So, which one are you? Rogue, or warlock?

[delicate furnace]

Longsword?

[strong mountain]

Ranger? the block is mediocre in this game. Not saying a parry system would make the game better, but could make it more interesting depending how it would be implemented. It would be hard to implement it without redoing the core combat due to how slow weapons swing. If they kept current combat the parry would have to give a damage reduction or something since the fights would be more drawn out

[formal ridge]

That doesn't account for the fact that it's very few weapons that actually get the mechanic, what if they made block a universal mechanic to melee weapons?
And yeah the blocking doesn't feel good idc what anyone says

[gleaming cedar]

Oh, yeah. Always forget about that. So, it must be a rogue.

[tame arch]

Should i bring lockpicks to golden key room?

[wind wraith]

any idea how to fix rubberbanding

[vapid arch]

for chest inside yes

[gleaming cedar]

Rangers have pavise, but you can count them as non-blocking.

[formal ridge]

Can you not talk about the state of the game and how it could be improved without being difficult? 😂

[strong mountain]

I rarely see pavise so it's an invalid argument. I'm talking just straight out flat kit being able to block

[harsh solstice]

Anyone also had a problem with purchasing dark and darker? Been trying to purchase it through the ironmace website but I'm not getting sent the debited amount. Been waiting for 2 hours and still haven't been sent it.

[strong mountain]

Im totally fine playing footsies with people and mobs, just some sort of parry system if able to be done correctly would be a nice QOL

[gleaming cedar]

Then, there are two classes which can't block, and ou are one of them, which is why you are here, telling us about how a parry system would be beneficial.

Grabs war maul. Parry this, you filthy casual.

[strong mountain]

I've started playing 5 days ago and made 6.5k gold purely off ratting and occasionally getting into pvp. I have no issues with how you're intended to play this game and I'm not afraid to pvp, and I'm still referring to the raw mechanic of being able to block/parry. Idk about you, but playing footies with someone doesn't really get my adrenaline going

[gleaming cedar]

You may not be for this game, as I am more into the PvE side of it.

[quick patrol]

try through paypal

[rare turret]

there should be a "request party invite" in the friends tab in game... so you can request an invite from friends that are in a party with a space open

[robust mica]

I think Justin Wong said it best when he said people who use the word footsies have no idea what it actually means. If youre referring to the neutral portion of an engagement, you should either be kiting, throwing ranged attacks, or breaking line of sight. if you walk at people you deserve to take damage. edit: also self buffs

[gleaming cedar]

When he said footsies, I thought he meant footwork. As a cleric, there is no footwork for me, as trying to do such a thing when your armor gives you -15% move speed, your weapon gives you -10% and your shield gives you -5%, and you lose 30% more whenever you attack.... Yeah, never gonna happen.

[robust mica]

there may have been an attempt by early testers to practice footwork but its range and rangered out here

[gleaming cedar]

Or, tank and tankier. Until someone stacks some Armor pen and it's range and rangered again.

[surreal fiber]

does swift and defens mastery perks even work on fighter? im swapping them out and no changes in stats..sigh.

[robust mica]

yeah they work but the character page doesnt lol

[gleaming cedar]

Changes in stats from perks ( except some ) don't apply until you are in a lobby.

[icy plume]

yo, got too much gold, what should I invest in, cookies/cc/ingots?

didnt candy/gold ingots drop loads?

[muted verge]

When do you guys think the ice map will release? I think last q/a on onepeg they said December.

[twilit dragon]

They just moved offices and highered a few more people so I'd guess a month or two. There was only the one animator on their team.

[uncut quartz]

next wipe?

[limber verge]

If you don't see anything in announcements, we know as much as you do!

[chilly mortar]

NERF RANGERS fkin 80% of lobbies are infested by them

[formal ridge]

I really don't understand people being into the PvE of this game, the AI is somehow more barebones than any other game on the market

[round vessel]

whats is a phoenix choker with 3 true magical damage +5 phys power +2 magical healing and 1.5 magical damage reduction worth

[strong mountain]

I never implied I'm a pvper, no idea where you're getting these implications from. The pve side is relatively good in this game, especially with the way attacking works makes it rather satisfying

[chilly mortar]

a whole game full of only ranger/rogue

[formal ridge]

Killing most of the adds in the game is a matter of patience over skill imo, and that goes without mentioning how many ads can be cheesed with a rapier

[strong mountain]

Footies in my terminology is the act of baiting out an attack in an encounter or just footworking if you want to call it that. Don't know what else you would think it would stand for other than that as it's pretty simply terminoly when it comes out to anything regarding melee

[whole crypt]

Having a 'compare' or 'difference key' to what show the losses when looking at gear you are thinking of equipping would be really nice. Even if just to remove the need to remember what your exact gear build is.

[robust mica]

Ask the 8x EVO champ my guy. If you’re close enough to play footsies and you’re still full health it’s because they’re bad. By the time you close that gap on anyone skilled you will be low or out of spells or some other resource will be spent that will make the whole engagement unfavorable

[peak stump]

Bring back spectating you cowards.

[strong mountain]

For what game 2D games lol? You're trying to compare terminology from 2 different genres of games lmao. Espeically from a world champ in 2D fighters. Obviously if the situation isnt favorable for you you dont engage. Rather simple concept

[robust mica]

How do u play footsies as a casual rat? I’m done entertaining this 😂 please go away noob you just don’t have the time put in

[twilit dragon]

Footsies is the term used for the dance players do to keep in or out of reach of one another during a fight. Applying it to any other argument is void if you're trying to modify it.

[strong mountain]

You obviously don't have the IQ to decipher how terminology works in different games. In any game that involves melee, if you're going to fight someone, the goal is to either strike first, or bait and counter and Im referring to 3D games, not 2D platformers. For something like street fighter from an observation standpoint as I think those games suck, you have limited amount of room to work with. Now if you want a 2D fighting that involes footwork, you can look at brawlhalla

[robust mica]

It’s just another scrub that pops in after playing a week at most and tries to “educate” everyone on their skills and they always have some kind of “credibility” excuse like oh I played this or that and they act like they’re so smart. It’s a waste of energy the kid said footsies and then tried to roast me and say it doesn’t apply to this genre when I was using his own crap against him. Dead community dying game.
Edit: kid literally mentions IQ as I’m sending this LOLOLOL
Edit 2: kid mentions intelligence again as I laugh in vindication sending my edit. 💀

[strong mountain]

You're just not smart bro it's okay. I never stated it doesn't apply to this genre as it most certainly does.
Edit: is bro going to come up with something to counter? Oh wait he's not smart enough to causes he's talking out his ass

[muted verge]

I hope Training aspect of the game brings more melee mechanics and some range nerfs.

[gleaming cedar]

As a cleric, you don't have the option of " don't engage " unless your build is sturman/speed demon, which sacrifices a good chunk of PDR/Physical Damage Reduction for a decent chunk of move speed.

[robust mica]

He’s a waste of mental he will be gone in a month or so. You don’t play footsies in a game with variable move speed and ranged damage.

[twilit dragon]

I like turtles.

[strong mountain]

Okay so let me ask you this, you're going on an engage with a fighter. Are you going to just run straight to the dude and attack him and go back and forth and see who wins or when he swings are you going to at least attempt to avoid it
Edit: Even if you're attempting to move out of the way of an attack, you're still acting on concept of footwork, regardless if you succeed or not

[gleaming cedar]

His arguments are more constructed than yours.

[harsh solstice]

Yeah just installed it thanks!

[robust mica]

I’m not arguing or constructing a discussion what is there to discuss with people who are clueless? Anyone with basic pattern recognition and discord mobile can see the same crap in this channel over and over and over and over for months and months and months. There are major core issues never addressed and never will be so there’s no point

[strong mountain]

Bro me and Dark are conversating over a topic. Who hurt you You started your statement by talking about a world champ in a 2D game and that I'm clueless even tho I have 3k hours in comp melee. I literally could careless if I'm good at this game or not as I just rat and make gold and that's what I find enjoyable
Edit: My whole parry thing was I just think if implemented could make the combat more interesting and less just like baiting and countering

[calm torrent]

can we finally get a good solo map? goblin caves are so bad i only play it for mission and now im forced to take 30m break everytime

[robust mica]

Your idiot brain within the context from the past messages:

1. you mention footsies
2. my brain: oh look another “me so smart” kid
3. I quote a fighting game champion’s comment on people who say footsies
4. you start leaking stupid everywhere
5. I try to explain youre an NPC
   6-infinity) you do NPC things

[strong mountain]

See you have nothing intelligent to add. You're a Neanderthal, the irony

[gleaming cedar]

You aren't any different from that same pattern recognition thing. There is always one like you who believes themselves to be correct about something, while doing the exact same mistakes as their opponent. To quote: " you should either be kiting, throwing ranged attacks, or breaking line of sight. "

Other than breaking line of sight, which one of those can cleric do? Or are you saying that a Holy Strike with 8 meters is a viable ranged option?

[robust mica]

Assuming 1v1, are you asking me for advice on what to do with cleric? I mentioned self buff..
I can try to help but it depends on positioning, map, circle, the class of opponent, your resources, your build…

[gleaming cedar]

I am pretty sure that I know more about cleric than you do. Your advice would be unneccesary.

[strong mountain]

[robust mica]

Then don’t ask? You’re so busy minded trying to sound cool that I can just point to your mistakes or reply with something that forces you to pivot your argument. Example, how sure is “pretty sure”

[lofty ruin]

can i use the slayer perk with a lantern and get the buff?

[gleaming cedar]

Can a cleric reach 85% PDR without divinde protection and without any buffs from other classes?

[calm torrent]

DOWN WITH GOBLIN CAVE WHY DO I HAVE TO WAIT 30MIN TO PLAY THE GAME

[robust mica]

literally pivots to quiz me 🤦‍♂️

[strong mountain]

Jesus this guy man

[lofty ruin]

slayer perk isnt working

[twilit dragon]

I realized this was going on so I put it on one of my other monitors and have been reading while sitting a healing in game 😂

[quick patrol]

no

[gleaming cedar]

The guy asked " How sure " Well, really sure. If you can't answer my question, and you are wrong about your answer, that's how sure I am. I am sure that you are going to give me a wrong answer. What is the absolute maximum buff duration that a cleric can have? Mind you, buff duration increases the time of the very short Divine Protection, and the somewhat short Smite.

[calm torrent]

dont argue with these dudes they always have L takes

[robust mica]

It’s more fun than playing tbh. I love messing with the NPCs of the “community” @calm torrent especially the ones who quote streamers

[gleaming cedar]

And what could possibly be my L take?

[strong mountain]

I feel bad that you can't come up with any decent arguments, pretty pitiful if I have to be honest

[robust mica]

Nobody tell them

[calm torrent]

too many to list bruv

[gleaming cedar]

Name one.

@robust mica Tell me what, that your logical fallacy is: Burden of proof?

[robust mica]

nah I’m bored now
Edit: inb4 “see I’m right” comments

[strong mountain]

He can't, as soon as he put his input in and glazed a 2D world champ the entire convo went out the window

[gleaming cedar]

Awh. Did your ADHD brain told you to quit? How disappointing. And here I thought I am gonna have some fun.

[strong mountain]

Ya you're telling me. I'mma go rat now. Was fun conversating with ya dark

[gleaming cedar]

Or am I to be told that you are having " fun " thinking that you are superior because you apply rule number 11 of the internet codex: Every carefully crafted argument can be easily ignored
And as I stopped carefully crafting arguments, you no longer find it " fun "

[lofty ruin]

only with daggers?

[sullen pendant]

Where can i report Cheaters with VOD?

[robust mica]

It has to be a weapon category when you highlight the item with your cursor. I think they changed lantern to light source recently because it used to work with slayer

[outer scaffold]

daggers or shortsword

[quick patrol]

any weapons

[zinc tiger]

Any off hand wep if u use a main wep to get the buff, and viceversa

[jovial knoll]

please can we be able to spectate after dying pls 🙂

[chilly mortar]

delet ranger and rogue from game and memory

[pallid owl]

Nerf fighter

[chilly mortar]

yeah in this ranged meta the thing you want is to nerf melee more. very bright little boi

[subtle heart]

Why should wizard not be removed?

[chilly mortar]

cause wiz can be countered by a shield and his magic also runs out , the ranger just keeps running like a chicken , he shoots 3 arrows and you dead and he cant be reached

[heady current]

fighter has more people playing it than rogue according to the recent data why not remove all classes besdies ranger and rename the game to ranger and ranger a shitty fortnight remake?

[chilly mortar]

you dont have the data after the buff in ranger noob, all i see in the lobby is rangers and rogues

[gleaming cedar]

Why? So that you can 1 tap 85% PDR fighters when you are with stacked gear?

[frail widget]

All these kids need to stop saying to remove stuff from the game cause they don’t know how to beat it. More content is better than less people, time to can it

[main garden]

I mean it’s only fair right? @gleaming cedar you should definitely be able to 1 tap a fully armored plate knight

[ionic shadow]

Anyone know a fix to update the game? Mine has been stuck on 0% even after restarting

[limber verge]

Either you just play solo or you're lying

[chilly mortar]

nope i play all modes, 8/10 players are either rogue or ranger. disgusting

[gleaming cedar]

Is that why all medieval battles had people in black clothing trying to hide behind rocks? Cuz " You should definitely be able to 1 tap a fully armored plate knight "

[main garden]

Haven’t really played a lot of trios but from what I saw rangers run trios and solo is run by rouges

[stone kernel]

glad i see so many rogues and archers now

[ruby fox]

does leathersmith offer gold craftables

[gleaming cedar]

I think yes.

[mellow gull]

where can i buy keys?

[ruby fox]

collectors guild discord

[thorny swallow]

Probably not going to play until rouge is looked at. Just got 4 shot by a rouge as a PDR fighter with second wind popped lol. Any suggestions on counterplay?

[calm torrent]

make it easier for them and just leave the game at the start

[thorny swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/army-of-darkness-evil-dead-ash-groovy-gif-25791428

[calm torrent]

naked ranger with hands out is slower than a warlock with his sword out great design

[main garden]

@calm torrent question, what are you smoking and can I have some?

[calm torrent]

it just happened to me bro xd

[tame arch]

Can i turn in handled iron ingots for the quest? ❤️

[calm torrent]

each task has description what quality you need and yes they cannot be looted since you craft them also iron??

[pallid badger]

Does soul collector on warlock work on BOC?

[calm torrent]

bruh 50% pdr on a mix build and rogue just slices through it. if he wasnt a dummy id be dead xd

[sly pebble]

Bring back rupture torches or remove Achilles strike on torchers please

[subtle cairn]

How many hits do you stimate the troll takes? With a normal weapon like arming sword or something like that. Is 50 a close estimation?

[ashen hill]

LET US INSURE OUR SHIT!!!! IF WERE OUT AND WE DIE TO STORM CUZ OUR SHITTY INTERNET GOES OUT START OF RAID AND WE LOSE OUR FUCKING GOD KIT WE SHOULD GET IT BACK AFTER 24 HOURS. OR IF WE DIE AND THEY DONT PICK UP OUR SHIT WE SHOULD HAVE THE ABLILTY TO GET IT BACK SOME HOW!!!

[warped raft]

You only need to hit a rogue 2 to 3 times to kill them. You want some counter advice? Don't miss . . .

[thorny swallow]

Not if they suprise you and alrieady got a full combo off before you could counter

[smoky estuary]

2 rogue dagger hits kill a plate fighter i dont think anything else is surving that

[nova bronze]

Community: "Buffball is overpowered and bad for the game. There's no counter play and its the only meta.
Ironidiots: "Okay, instead of nerfing anything at all that pretains to buffball or making it weaker (like I don't know... Making Buff limits, making invis only castable on self, making haste only castable on self) we're just going to buff ranger and give wizard random damage nerfs! tehee!"

[zinc gulch]

buff ball was never broken

[charred dagger]

Ok, wtf happened, why could I not pick up ANYTHING from the ground or shelves or anything?

[limber verge]

Yes I'm certain you have a better idea than them and this situation is very simple and has no nuance.

[tiny chasm]

Yo what class should i invest my time into to be the most OP?

All this armor pen talk does this mean armor pen barb 1 shots almost everything? @gleaming cedar

[gleaming cedar]

Yes. If barb stack armor pen, even without war maul, + armor pen skill, barb 1 shots everything except max HP barbs.

[nova bronze]

Almost like I just suggested one- Multiple actually. Stop feeling like you have to kiss Ironmaces toes and accept that they don't do things perfectly and that there's room for improvement. That's how things get done and changes get made.

[tiny chasm]

Sick

[plain marsh]

remove the rotation and let us pick what map we want to play

[limber verge]

"my ideas are good, I won't hear otherwise!" I see.

[tiny chasm]

Does armor pen help for pve at all?

[vagrant tendon]

looking for a party to play with

[exotic sorrel]

Hey all - I just bought the game yesterday and have been hard leveling barb, just trying to enjoy the game, but I'm at the point where I might just uninstall and refund it. I keep getting this movement bug that makes my character jitter and jerk around when I try to move instead of moving. I have tried literally everything to fix it (updating graphics drivers, trying out every anti-alias, lowering settings, to name a few) but nothing is fixing it. Has anyone else had this happen?

[vagrant tendon]

unplug and plug your mouse back in. maybe there might also be a hair in your laser or trackpad?

[vital fiber]

Trying to gather a squad for normal boss kills. Looking for (in order of preference):

Clerics
Fighters
Rangers
Warlocks
Barbarians

Not looking for: Rogues, Bards, or Wizards.

[exotic sorrel]

Its a movement thing, not a camera thing - like wasd - im on laptop. I guess its like rubber banding but not connection based

[vagrant tendon]

hmmm

[nova bronze]

Almost like I never said that my ideas alone were good, and simply echoed the same greivences that the community has done, and then gave solutions for them as opposed to the things Ironmace has done. Think logically before you type,.

[echo perch]

Bard destroys normal bosses thanks to Shriek wdym

[vital fiber]

I didn't say Bards are bad. I just said I wasn't looking for one.

[vagrant tendon]

I can play cleric, but Im only lvl 4 right now. Just bought the game, so if you are cool with someone with opnly experience from the beta, I'll join you

[vital fiber]

Never hurts to have another Dark and Darker bud. We might not group for boss kills today, but we can certainly squad up a bit to get you acclimated.

[shadow roost]

how about instead of adding 5 annoying mechanics like pingl ocks and no spectate and no voip to combat teamers and RMA, you just remove the trading hall and add a salvage/reroll system instead. Problem solved.

[smoky estuary]

or an auction house maybe that will get added 🤔

[limber verge]

Sorry not reading anymore of your messages. Either happy for you or I'm sorry to hear that.

[nova bronze]

Sorry your incapable of gameplay discussion and balance either man. hope you get better soon!

[dapper quail]

does a higher affinity with merchants make them sell more stuff?

[limber verge]

Sorry to hear that

[nova bronze]

Not reading them but still replying huh? Sad to see.

[faint hull]

anyone know how much health cave troll/ hr cave troll has?

[prisma fjord]

yoo is HR wraithe not affected by invis?!?

[cyan cypress]

I had a big brain idea. Double the inventory space. Create a tab that could be used by purchasing it from the merchant, for the purpose of my loot space for a PvP and extracting from dungeons. This would encourage more fights and interaction

[timid sky]

just got hit by a bard with a rapier and my sword was forced to holster. never seen that before. He wasn't playing any instrument he was attacking me. Any idea what it was?

[distant bay]

prob a glitch

[cyan cypress]

And the trading is fine atm, leave it alone.

[marsh plover]

ayooooooo there should def be an option for the map picking ruins the best map for pvp why cant i just ply that lol great game buh was da word wit a cleric buff or sum 3 lesser heals when runing trios aint enough in my opinion

[cyan cypress]

That would ruin economy.

[distant bay]

Its made that way on purpose, if a cleric has to many heals you trio becomes way to strong. You would make the cleric MANDATORY in trios if he could heal more then that. And that would kill the balance very fast, that last thing we need is mega clerics healing you at the drop of a hat. (Im hoping the druid will step into the role of a healer class so its not just cleric doing it all)

[placid ibex]

how would i find a link to the collectors discord?

[rare axle]

This will affect trout populations

[distant bay]

how in-e-fish-nt

[limber verge]

I'm happy for you

[nova bronze]

ty

[regal veldt]

huh

[warped raft]

only time i can ever 2 hit anyone is if im armed to the teeth, no other class has this distinction, you can barely gear up on the other classes to make them formidable spec a fighter or cleric who can stack pdr, yes a rogue can counter this but it has to be perked out to do so making you a glass cannon, i really dont see how much more they can beat the class with the nerf bat to make people happy other than of course something off the wall like deleting the class all together lol good luck with that

[regal veldt]

the easiest fix for rogue, and the people complaining about it is to make ambush take a second or two in stealth to prime. no more popping invis or pots mid fight to proc it just for free damage. use the ambush perk to actually ambush not just damage button

[warped raft]

personally i dont care for ambush, its too situational for me and im not one to just sit around and wait to use it, i try to stick with perks that can be used at all times to my advantage, i agree though, there is no cap on someone just stealth-potting there way to unlimited damage, perhaps a true cool down before it can proc again so you cant abuse it with pots

[smoky estuary]

just rework the damn thing its existence is to be annoying rn

[warped raft]

lol its been reworked so many times and each time we find a new way to build and counter just about everything, granted as great as that may sound for us rouge mains, we are still wet newspapers and the slightest mistake is our demise, very little wiggle room unless you are built tanky which can greatly take away from your dps output

[weary valley]

does anybody know if they got rid of the gold coin bag? or if not, how does one get it now?

[warped raft]

"/spoiler you have to unlock being able to craft it by completing all of the leathersmith quests, i guess spoiler does not work here ? sorry"

[weary valley]

@warped raft thank you so much 🙂

[regal veldt]

if u think its situational u might be challenged lol

[warped raft]

it is, you cant use it at all times unless of course you are chugging stealth pots, other than that its worthless until you can hide

[stoic hazel]

I havent played since september how is it now?

[nova prairie]

how am i suppose to fight anyone with a battle axe ?

[regal veldt]

you literally press e for free damage while w keying at someone did u not figure that out. lil bro thinks 50 percent dmg bonus for 3 seconds is worthless

[smoky estuary]

Remove invis. It shouldn't exist in a game were every mistake can be life threatening and invis has no counterclaim if used correct. Buff the damn other options rogue has 20 perks and 10 skills but only 3 are viable. Rogues are mainly despised because of high dps and invis making it impossible to win in many scenarios. The whole rat playstyle is poorly designed for a game like this

[warped raft]

yup, its called an opinion, seriously go fight intelligence under some other bridge...bro

[regal veldt]

they had to rework it to this because having a blow of corruption type damage added to the attack was one shotting people and lil bro's opinion is this xd

[gleaming cedar]

Why not bards?

[empty sigil]

Devs don't change mechanics, haven't for half a year. They adjust numbers only.

[vital fiber]

Because I have someone in the squad who plays Fighter / Bard, and I'm simply trying to flush out the composition with a little variety. I prefer not to have double bard.

[gleaming cedar]

Devs changed the buff duration " mechanic ". In other words, reworked how it's being calculated.

[thorny swallow]

He needs more in the way of individual kit than anything. More weapon variety and self serving spells. Spells such as Spiritual Weapon or Animate Dead may be interesting. Lots of stuff to chose from in D&D.

[scarlet bronze]

I mean, cleric is kinda meta right now on trios and have been from some time

[real tundra]

Man No spectate really sucks. Not knowing how well I do in fights or what I lost to

[thorny swallow]

In trios sure, and he should be. As of right now he is the only healer class in the game. His weakness comes in solos and duos. Druid will also likely come with some sort of healing so that will likely aliviate that problem.

[twin magnet]

Not knowing how much damage you did is dumb, but it tells you how much the attacker did to you??? After obviously dying.

[thorny swallow]

It would be nice if you could at least see their kit as well to see if you got skill or gear diffed.

[scarlet bronze]

solos in general are an unbalanced mess (and duos for that matter) Cleric has bless, protection, divine strike and smite as self buffs and holy strike as damage spell. A landmine rogue will kill in 2 secs you and a ranger will kite you forever. No way to fixing that currently

[gleaming cedar]

What are you talking about? Dozens of people in general are convincing me on a daily basis that cleric is a support class ( Mainly from rogues and rangers. ) . Obviously, I argue, as a support class, the cleric NEEDS to have more support, and more heals.

[thorny swallow]

I dont think he should be relegated to just a support role, as that isnt what a cleric is in regular D&D either. His current healing output is more than enough to justify filling two of his spell slots.

[scarlet bronze]

i think more spells would bloat his kit even more. Locust swarm is already nerfed to the ground (eventually they should fix it) and earthquake even when nerfed has its uses specially in trios. More spells would bloat its kit a lot

[tepid sphinx]

do gingerbread spawn in chests?

[gleaming cedar]

3, for a darkness ratter, leaving you with little to no buffs.

I am perfectly aware that it's not a support class, but that doesn't changes the fact that it's a relatively weak class in 1v1. Sure, a cleric can make wizard look like a circus magician, by stacking a lot of magic resist, but that would mean getting 1 tapped by a barbarian. Or stacking magic damage and magic power to make quick work of a fighter, but that would leave him vulnerable to ranged. Or stack a shit ton of PDR, but that would leave him vulnerable to armor pen rogues + rangers.

[subtle heart]

tbh i feel like spectating when your in a group would almost be like cheating.

[regal veldt]

So cleric should be a support class s tier healer used in most trios, but also a 1v1 machine?? Weird take

[scarlet bronze]

it seems a certain region was queue syncing and having one of them play solo and die so he could spectate and guide the others towards other players. That is why spectating it's been removed

[subtle heart]

good lol

[gleaming cedar]

You can spectate only your own party when in a group? They removed spectating because 1 single player joins the same loby of a 3 player team, dies to PvE, and spectates where other teams are, telling his buddies over discord.

@regal veldt Is there another healer? Then how do you know cleric is an S tier healer? Now, if there was another healing class to compare it to, ye, sure, you can make that argument. But until such a class becomes a reality, you can't claim that cleric is an S tier healer.

Not to mention, any time any other class gets nerfed, cleric suffers. PDR Nerf? Thanks fighters. Magic damage nerf? Thanks wizards. War Maul and quarterstaff nerf? Thanks barbarians. Buff duration nerf? Thanks bards.

[thorny swallow]

You're probably right, the problem with cleric lies in an inherent flaw with the class ablity system. Only being able to take 2 abilities and having one of them almost permenantly locked on spell memory is something that really messes with the general flexibility of all casters. Perhaps one solution is to change the way that spellcasting works for cleric specifically? Because as of now it is identical to wizard. Spell memory being something that cleric gets by default could change the way he is played significantly. You would obviously have to rebalance quite a few of his spells to compensate, but Im not entirely sure how that would work. If anyone wants to hop in tavern table 2 and discus it ill be there.

[subtle heart]

also i completely agree there are more than 1 class made to do different things cleric is a healer its meant to be used in trios and duos plane and simple there are several magic buffing and dmg dealing classes if your not in a group just dont use cleric it already is a VERY good healer.

i would be so happy if they added a scythe as a "staff" for warlocck it would basicly be a staff reskin.

[scarlet bronze]

i mean, i know where you are coming from. and i think balance wise a more fighter oriented healer would be the paladin. cleric has been decided to be a more tanky healer even if in dnd is a different thing and warlock in DaD and in DnD are just absolutely different species

@subtle heart make the "unique" staff be a scythe, get a magic damage bonus on a kill

[subtle heart]

i like the warlock in this its basiclly a bloodd mage LOL

[serene pagoda]

i been saying this

[thorny swallow]

Cleric doesnt necessarily have to be a fighter oriented healer, he is more like a Holy Caster archetype ideally. You are right in pointing out that the two aren't entirely meant to be identical tough.

[scarlet bronze]

yeah, is like the warlock being a blood mage (which i actually love, because spaming eldritch blast is no fun)

[gleaming cedar]

Watch how the war hammer is gonna get nerfed because of fighters again.

@subtle heart Cleric is the ONLY healer. If there is another healer, I wanna see it. Being forced into a playstyle is not a good game design. Because of that healer capability, cleric suffers: No ranged, slow attack speed, slow movement speed, inability to choose when to fight, inability to use spells in the middle of a fight. And if you call judgement with 5 meters and Holy Strike with 8 meters ranged... Yeah, have luck attacking a fighter that pelts you with a crossbow with your holy strike... See how well THAT will wok.

[subtle heart]

actuallyyyyy no its not the only healer warlock can heal himself. sooooooooooo boom.

[subtle heart]

also your not "forced" into a playstyle. its a class. a healer class. if you dont like it and want to do more dmg then play one of the other offensive magic classes.

[gleaming cedar]

Oh, wow. Guess ranger and fighter and barbarian are also healers. Who would have thunk'd.

By definition of a healer, it means that it heals others and themselves. When I see warlock healing someone else, I will give you a golden key. ( other than rework on bandages being apliable to others. )

[scarlet bronze]

and i mean, a cleric is great if he buffs before a fight at melee. He just don't have long range options (neither do barbs and warlocks have one of the worst long range spells and rogues kinda neither too)

[subtle heart]

A healer is a type of character class in video gaming. When a game includes a health game mechanic and multiple classes, often one of the classes will be designed around the restoration of allies' health, known as healing, in order to delay or prevent their defeat.

this is the deffinition for healer class.

[gleaming cedar]

Sure, but that is the main argument against cleric's weaknesses, is it not? " Bruh, it can heal. It's not meant to be strong in 1v1 " Does that means that because bard can buff, it's not meant to be strong 1v1? Or are you saying that a stacked bard that reaches 100% attack speed ( out of 110% max I believe ) that pelts you with a short bow at 0.6 shots per second ( swing twice with an arming sword, that was 1.5 seconds. ) ain't gonna be a PvP god?

[zinc gulch]

cleric isnt even that good anymore after nerfs

[subtle heart]

no a bard is normally the STRONGEST class in dnd and almost every other fantasy based game but a healer in pather finder and dnd and warhammer and in every other game archtype were they have healers are total crap in 1v1s it does it job i cant think of not 1 GAME wether is be a boredgame or a video game where a healer is actually any good at 1v1s not 1.

[gleaming cedar]

That's why I am in general, and in here, complaining about it. I am so bummed that I don't feel like playing. Can't reach 85% PDR and MDR anymore. Can't reach 85% PDR at all, even with maxed uniques. 84.4% is max without divine protection. While a stacked armor pen rogue can 2 tap even 85% PDR fighters.

[sharp pendant]

tarkov is better than ever

[gleaming cedar]

You must have never heard of a war god battle cleric.... You are talkin' out your arse. Also, world of warcraft, paladin can heal, and is usually pretty strong in PvP, to the point where only 1-2 other classes can possibly stand a chance. Imbalanced, I know.

@sharp pendant I haven't played a first person shooter since the golden days of Unreal Tournament.

[subtle heart]

Similar to clerics, all Paladins are incredible support characters who consistently have access to healing and other support abilities. However, Paladins of the Oath of the Crown have access to yet even more healing than their contemporaries.Nov 9, 2023

palidans arent healers you goofball.

[gleaming cedar]

And when was the last time you played World of WarCraft?

[subtle heart]

The balance between magic and combat. Clerics are fighting priests; paladins are holy warriors. Both are known for having healing and support magic, but clerics are full casters with as many spells a day as a wizard, and a fair variety in that magic too.

[scarlet bronze]

swtor, operatives and mercenaries healer were unkillable for a few patches, and in the same patches if they respected to healers they were the strongest mele dps for pvp and ranged dps for pve. but yeh. As i said before, a more 1vs1 oriented healer will probably be the paladin and the cleric will remain more support oriented. Just to keep things balanced we can't have it all, otherwise barbarians would start throwing weapons and turn the game into a madhouse

[gleaming cedar]

According to Dungeon and Dragon lore, yes, but that's not the only lore about it. The devs can just as easily put into the talent trees a Paladin specialization to the cleric, as it is in the lore of WarCraft, where paladins were clerics/priests which were trained in both, priesthood and knighthood, thus, they learned both, casting spells and hand to hand combat, becoming the Paladin.

[subtle heart]

yeah not anymore they are tanky asf but they arent top dmg dealers no more they where nerfed to high hell and thats my absulute point. if you want something do do dmg and heal then they should add a paladin. and they should give the cleric more spell slots with magic around healing but i dont think the cleric should be a dps master.

WAIT WTF has anyone here played cleric at all? why the heck are you complaining this thing is a heaing tank like wtf is your problem i just took a look at this crazy crap you people are nuts.

[gleaming cedar]

healing tank that can die to 2 taps from a stacked armor pen rogue.

[scarlet bronze]

I agree with you 100%. @subtle heart. Main problem here i think it is that cleric in solos in kinda a misserable experience, but that is because solos is plagued with rogues (with weakpoint mainly) and rangers. That is a different issue. the last patch had a lot of more fighters in solos that make the experience somewhat better, but most of them still used crossbows so the experiencie weren't that better either. I think solos is just not possible to balance at all

[gleaming cedar]

Clerics are good at 2 things, and 2 things alone. Healing damage and tanking damage. Removing their capability to tank damage by nerfing PDR time, and time, and time again, you leave cleric with no other choice but to cower behind the 300 hp barbarians.

[subtle heart]

its a freaking healer A HEALER bro this damn thing hass RESURECT BRO it A SUPPORT CLASS it not meant to do DMG boo freaking hoo if you get 2 taped bro they are litterally ANTI MAGIC BRO have you people not lookedd at this things freaking spell it stop bleeding it stop curses ir bring people back from the dead it adds a stead suply of HP to YOUR SELF and freaking ALLIES. making it good at 1v1s would BEING THE DUMBEST THING YOU COULD DO all you people want is an UNKILLABLE TANK.

[scarlet bronze]

yep. imagine if you were the rogue, a fight breaks, you pass through enemy frontline, not seen by any light orbs, you get to the cleric, last step of hidden, you are full stacked, great gear, good gold cape and shadow mask. You use weakpoint and hit the cleric 3 times before he reacts... Then he reacts, heals himself and look at you menancely, you can dance around him all you want but that is all you can do because you cannot do an outplay cleric are too tanky

[subtle heart]

it litterally has freaking DMG spells that fucking lock targest in place and deals 15 dmg per second for 5 second and and one that deal 30dmg of 2 seconds it does dmn bro good freaking dmg like wth are you complaning

[trail halo]

how much does a mystical gem sell for?

[gleaming cedar]

Where are my support abilities if cleric is a support class? Judgement doesn't looks much like a support ability. Divine Protection, with it's measly 4 seconds duration, doesn't looks like a support ability ( more like a front-liner last-stand. ) Smite doesn't looks like a support ability, more like a front-liner DPS. And Holy Purification for PvE? Absolutely not a support ability, for it supports only when the lobby is empty.

I am complaining that the tankiness is being nerfed. As a cleric class, you end up with onky ONE SINGLE BENEFIT, being able to heal. Literally a walking campfire.

Are you blind? Yes, you are. Bind and bLind are two different things.

[scarlet bronze]

last one ive seen was like 4 ingots but i haven't seen one in a looooong time

[subtle heart]

in 7 seconds a cleric could kill a base barbarian with 2 spells.

[gleaming cedar]

Holy strike bLinds targets. Bind bInds targets. Smite does not applies damage to your Holy Strike. BIND spell is 0,7 seconds, not 7 seconds, otherwise everyone would use it.

[scarlet bronze]

i mean man, just ignore him and move on. is a battle lost

[gleaming cedar]

He literally said that holy strike prevents enemies from moving, which is factually wrong. Ask any cleric. That flash of white which you see after a cleric casts a spell? That's Holy Strike. The dude has never played a cleric for a single game, and is telling a cleric solo main what his class has. Like me, telling him what a wizard has, when I've never played wizard.

[subtle heart]

protection

bless

cleanse

lesser heal

blind

holy light

sanctuary

ressurection.

ALL SUPPORT SKILLS VERY GOOD ONES

[charred dagger]

Is this the time to say touch grass?

[vocal bronze]

🥸🤓 dis guy takes his lil discord servers way too seriously im crine 😭

[gleaming cedar]

Those are spells, not skills. A skill is the instant cast of the wizard. If you do not make a difference between your rest, and your lightning, you really have no idea what you are talking about. A skill is the rupture of rogues. A skill is the multi-shot of rangers.

Can I use any of these in the middle of a melee fight? Therefore, they are not a skill.

[subtle heart]

same thing also divine strike. and you can use several of them in melee fights like divine strike to bolster your melee ddmg by 7 points. and blind in melee fights. and leser heal in melee fights. bro im starting your think your just bad at cleric.

[harsh marlin]

is there a way to report scammers in trade?

[gleaming cedar]

By 5 points. Do you even know the spells of cleric? So. You are telling me that if I get jumped on by a rogue, I can use divine strike? Or, by any class, really. I am walking towards a door to leave my room, the door get's suddenly opened, and bam, it's a fighter. Where my divine strike? Why can't I use my skills in the middle of combat?

[scarlet bronze]

you can also run smite that scales with add magic damage and bonk people with a staff, or swap to your melee

[regal veldt]

the argument is that cleric as a class is S tier because its the only healer. We can talk about these weird esoteric arguments about future updates but im talking about the present

[subtle heart]

divine strike is literally for melee now lets look at perks to use to bolster youre self

perseverance

holy aura

protection from evil

blunt weapon mastery.

your litterally just a troll.

skills

Smite

divine Protection.

[keen latch]

I took two limitless pills to limit mylself" - Frank

[gleaming cedar]

Oh, so you are telling me that when the barbarian breaks the door, and he is 10 meters away from me, 3 seconds and he is in melee, I can take out my staff, buff myself with divine strike, and the barbarian is just gonna HulkOkay at me waiting me to buff myself?

If I can not APPLY a skill in the MIDDLE of combat, it's not a skill.

[subtle heart]

bro you lost this i have anwered every one of you question you said it had no melee abilitys and i though that argument out of the window and you said it had no dmg reduction and i also just through that out the window. you are just bad at cleric.

like seriously its not funny anymore your just making your self look stupid.

[gleaming cedar]

Can I apply divine strike while the barbarian is shouting in my face, without sacrificing a hit from him?

@regal veldt So... Being forced into a play style is a good game design, how?

[regal veldt]

did i say it was? im stating the reality

[robust mica]

no one is forcing anything youre an idiot youve been in here ALL day. You can play any style you want! some styles you live..and other styles you play back to lobby simulator. choice is yours

[subtle heart]

just ignore him I'm done hes just bad at the game and is trying to make the cleric something its not.

[regal veldt]

yeah hes so strange lol

[gleaming cedar]

And the heck are you doing here all day?

@subtle heart 85% PDR fighter gets 2 shotted by a stacked armor pen rogue. Same for cleric. If cleric is meant to be tanky healer, where tankiness? If cleric is meant to be a support, where support SKILLS which can be applied DIRECTLY without use of MAGIC STAFF/BOOK

[subtle heart]

i litterally gave him perks and skills surrounded around melee and tank.

not to mention if he was smart he could use magic and melee at the exact same time with a magic item and a 1 handed weapon of his choice.

[robust mica]

ask the devs nerd. i just logged back in after enjoying time with my family and cleaning the house. you're still here pissing people off. actually get blocked

[gleaming cedar]

I can cast my skills with a shield and mace. I can't cast spells with a shield and mace. Spells and skills are two different things. Where are my support skills?

@robust mica I ain't even gonna bother with you. Fix your logical fallacies.

[subtle heart]

https://youtu.be/0A4i9ELi7sQ?si=S5t25aLyxr7S3dRQ

bro is just bad at the game. not to mention its his fault for wanting to use a shield when he REALLY shouldnt be using it when your a magic user.

[gleaming cedar]

Holy goblin guano. Did you really just about now said that clerics shouldn't be using shields, while at the same time psoting a video of someone who USES shields?

[subtle heart]

hes not using a shield you idiot hes using a book and a staff

https://youtu.be/0A4i9ELi7sQ?si=GkR8jDk3zreJL6jr&t=384

heres a time stamp sense you dont wanna watch the full video of where he talks about the gear to use.

yeah you really made your self look dumb on that one.

[gleaming cedar]

Oh, right... My bad. 2 months ago. Next thing you know, you are 1 shotted by a ranger, 2 shotted at most. Especially with such thin fabric as equipment. Holy goblin guano, I've never seen a crappier cleric build. Speed demon clerics don't sacrifice their tankiness.

[subtle heart]

mhm yep your an idiot. and its not a speed demon its literally a tank/melee build. you just arent watching the video and you are continuing to make your self look dumb.

anyways goodbye.

[gleaming cedar]

Kek, he never shows how much PDR you have. Wanna know why? Because it doesn't goes above 20%. You are a Wizard Larry.

Speed demon cleric goes for templar + heavy leather + lightfoot + hounskull + Riveted or Reinforced. Don't try to sell me a " Fresh and New wizard " we already have a wizard at home.

[vapid arch]

you're not

[gleaming cedar]

Tank/melee build = at least 70% PDR + 30% MDR. Don't talk to me about cleric builds, because I was the first ever to use a buff duration cleric build in playtest 5. The Wizard cleric build is a meme build and it's the worst meme build you can ever think of.

[subtle heart]

you got 2 brain cells goodnight it was fun making you look like an idiot.

[gleaming cedar]

You got even less than that. My god you tell good jokes. And the thumbnail of the video is like " BIS " showing a blue staff. Truly BIS Blue In Slot.

[subtle heart]

you can litterally get close to 95% phys dmg reduc with claric your just to stupid to do it. if a guy on redit can do it and prove it with a spread sheet showing his gear states and buffs then you could do it to if you had 3 brain cells.

and if it is 85% because of a nerf then thats still crazy high and your just a brat.

im sure your did budy because everyone else here thinks your an idiot.

now goodnight.

[gleaming cedar]

No you can't. Cap on PDR is 85% and with recent nerf on PDR, you can only get to 84.4% in maxed uniques.

[gleaming cedar]

Shows me how much you know about the game, and the class that I main. We had a good laugh about you in the cleric channel.

[deft sonnet]

i think hes confused, 95% pdr is not possible on cleric, they can attempt something similar with damage reduction, but theyre still taking heavy damage from high damage hits

believe this is what he is referencinghttps://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fis-95-physical-damage-reduction-cleric-possible-v0-i4imp326631b1.png%3Fwidth%3D1206%26format%3Dpng%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3Ddc9c4f1ed2c56315d37b81cd14dcb39c46ed122e

[gleaming cedar]

That's older than my grandma, and I ain't a zoomer.

[deft sonnet]

its 7 months old

[crystal mesa]

Is trying to focus on PDR with only white gear a bad idea as a fighter?

[elfin vigil]

gathering hall is where gear sets go to die

[sly pebble]

we should inflate old rusty key now

[gleaming cedar]

No, not really. At least in normals.

[smoky estuary]

and i want the other perks expanded apon and the ones that kill joy to be nerfed

[silver vault]

^^^. Stealth is single handedly the most uncounterable ability in the game, especially with a 50% damage buff after leaving it is crazy

[zealous nova]

It's not classes needing balancing. It's the core of the game, no risk in fighting as the reward outweighs the risk in losing at this point.

[tame arch]

Any tips for fighter + bard trying to kill lich HR?

[silver vault]

If rangers footstep detection perk worked with rogues (it doesn't), barbarians fear shout took them out of stealth (it doesnt), or they added literally any counterplay to ambush landmine rogues it'd be fine.
Rogues would be 10x better if they were forced to play as a glass cannon instead of a landmine. A fast wizard-like kiter that looks for openings rather then camping a spot and hoping someone stumbles on them.
Doesn't help that their dps is high enough right now to nuke fighters and barbarians

[sly pebble]

DIN OF DARKNES

[visual jolt]

If only bards, wizards, or warlocks had an ability to hard counter stealth.......

[formal ridge]

wizard light spells reveals stealthed rogues if I'm not mistaken

[sly pebble]

why should they they all nuke rouges with one hit

[gleaming cedar]

Rogues already are glass canons. And they can become tanky glass cannons, so, a fekin' battle ship. 2 tapping fighters, 50% PDR 140 health....

[silver vault]

The issue comes with when me, a barbarian main, has no counterplay and gets 3 shot anyway

[stable galleon]

anybody else having an issue where the game thinks you have higher than uncommon gear on and wont let you do the normal raids?

[wanton otter]

Rogue is overtuned rn.

[vapid arch]

you're bringing in something that has unique grade tier, IE gold coin purses

[gleaming cedar]

Check your pockets. You may be hiding a bandage of green quality there

[stable galleon]

I took off everything

[pulsar orbit]

does TROLL health reset in between pulls? like if someone disengages and returns do they gotta start over?

[tardy sandal]

As long as troll is aggro'd on something it doesn't regen

[bleak lodge]

anyone know why my game wont update? it stuck at 0%

[somber raven]

i did the verify files and restart and it worked for me

[fierce falcon]

i dont understand how races are under the cosmetics tab, but affect your stats. that doesnt make any sense

[drifting hinge]

When we gonna see the next patch, been a while now

[stiff lotus]

since when does rangers take 3 hits to kill with BOC?

[lyric socket]

Remove map rotation

[next walrus]

wtf was this bs, there were no exits anywhere i was running all ove rthe dman place, circle shrank to nothing. watched someone else die too

[upbeat snow]

So when are rogues/rangers getting nerfs or just how the games gonna be from now on?

[golden pasture]

@glad thunder @zinc sparrow Remove gc duos and trios, rotate duos and trios every hour between crypts and ruins.
Or even better, make gc solo only, and let us choose between solo,duos and trios in ruins and crypts, so if I wanna go do boss I won’t have to wait 60 min and prey for it to be the one I need for the quest.

[smoky estuary]

so 3 of the 12 classes get counters only if they keep said counters up and know if a rouge is there. there is no see invis in there and they cant check every room for them. warlock has to know your there aswell as no lock is randomly using hydra in a room to stealth check

[dry nebula]

hydra is bad at breaking stealth, takes way too long before it does anything

[visual jolt]

sounds like a skill issue to me. i hydra check every room that's been cleared. it costs nothing.

[golden pasture]

If only you could spam it somehow

[next walrus]

whereever you are SLIMELORD you are a sack of dog shit 🙂 and i was gonna cast earthquake too but i thought i could open portal faster

[dry nebula]

spamming it doesnt matter, you place it and the right move for the rogue is to just jump you immediately with ambush after the warlock just took off 10-20 hp

[remote berry]

lf someone to group up with im fairly new

[upbeat snow]

Maybe instead of working around and trying to make invis not be crazy op, just get rid of it from the game

[lusty cipher]

Here is an idea. Make gear non-removable (you must wear boots, pants, shirt). The idea of saying hey im going into a dungeon with sharp rocks, bugs, goblins, etc and im doing it naked is kinda dumb. Yes this idea is completely based on rogues and rangers being able to infinitely kite.

[remote berry]

lf someone to group up with

[smoky estuary]

lots of time wasted and its boring. people leave the game because it being boring. having to micromanage that shit doesnt help gain a playerbase

[lusty cipher]

I would argue rogues bring more people into the game compared to making the quit playing. I'm not arguing that everything is perfectly balanced. But alot of people like playing rogue type classes.

[dry nebula]

give rogue an ability that kills everything in the room with them unless the enemy sings the alphabet backwards

[honest night]

tf is captured mana flakes for

[smoky estuary]

people would rather play tarkov where there isnt bs invisibility. theres already darkness and turning off torches the near uncounterable invis skill doesnt have a place

[lusty cipher]

@honest night IDK never seen it but i would wager its for breakfast

[sonic maple]

People complaining about not being able to do the quests fast enough when we have 3 months to do them your momma told y'all your special huh.

[versed thistle]

Keep getting "Update integrity check failed" when I install the game. is there a fix?

[vapid arch]

legendary mana sphere craft

[mint cosmos]

playing rouge is the exact same as playing a single player game on easy mode

[heady current]

kekw you must not play rogue

[mint cosmos]

You must just play your class wrong

[heady current]

stay bad lilbro

[graceful coral]

whats the best way to dodge the cyclops rock fall phase? i can get him to that phase but it feels like rng where the rocks fall once he starts slamming the ground

[warm lodge]

why is every Hr solo i join either naked rogues or kitted rogues. This game is starting to become gross.

[tepid bobcat]

Where do I go to report serious bugs? I literally cannot pick up anything in game, said not enough space the first time but now nothing happens, I just reach my hand out repeatedly pressing F to no avail. WTF

[graceful coral]

probably the report a buh text channel :/

[rustic crown]

does buying quest items from trade actually allow you to use them?

[tardy sandal]

no

[woeful wyvern]

Hi! When is wipe planned?

[zinc spruce]

Mining is hard OK

[plain salmon]

Decided to play solos a little bit: Game 1 - Landmine Rogue, G2 - rubberbanding into DC, G3 - Landmine rogue. Nice. That'll be enough of that for me tonight.

[empty sigil]

The communities and discords I am involved with, mostly die-hards have lost lot of activity in the last week. Many people putting game aside until IM can cultivate a more fun meta. It isn't just rogues, but a combination of a very unfun ranged meta and stat checking w-key barbs and then adding the landmines back into it all. Many that primarily play the game solo (which I understand isn't the focus) are putting down the game for now.

[wheat saddle]

I just don't see the need for the ambush perk. They're already invisible and get the first hit free, they don't need additional damage on top of that.

[viral loom]

easy solution - pdr fighter

[warm lodge]

i mean i plat pdr fighter and you cant catch them the even hit them then you let your guard down and they come back throwing shit at ya

[warped raft]

As opposed to being able to use a crossbow to kill peeps from a mile away as a fighter lol

[viral loom]

gotta keep those franciscas on you + the crossbow. At least with me the only issue I find is not being able to catch up to them. But in range, melee or throwable I usually find no contest

[warm lodge]

when have you ever seen a rogue a mile away?

[viral loom]

and Im talking from rogue and pdr fighter perspective. I play both. And honestly, even a good kit rogue against pdr fighter is suicide, even with armor piercing setup. Only chance imo is dot setup and kiting

[warm lodge]

only time i find an issue is when they gank me while im fighting mobs or opening portals.

[warm lodge]

its just annoying that im expected to buy all that stuff to counter a naked rogue hiding in an obselete spot. Then even if i try to panic shield they just body glitch through and im dead.

[wheat saddle]

PDR fighter or not, they can 2-3 tap with castillon with the ambush perk. It's unnecessary to do that kind of damage while already having the advantage of being invisible.

[warm lodge]

i agree, i mean just the simple fact that 60% of every solo lobby is rogues should be i sign that something out of balance

[warped raft]

Pay attention ahead of time. It's not hard to tell if a rogue is around. Check your surroundings when you peek a room. Listen by doors. Many things but no one will do this cause that would take some effort. Rogue is squish and the only tactic it has to not get 2 tapped is the element of surprise. Even if you took stealth away and we resorted to corner sniping everyone then you would want corners removed from the game next . . .

[radiant oyster]

Yea rouges never got nerfed since they have been broken it’s just people forgot how strong they are because ranger is ridiculously good to rn so less sweats are playing rouge taking away the glowing problem of doing falcion level damage with a dagger that attacks 3x as fast with invisible and max move speed

[warm lodge]

What are the signs that a rogue is around?

[wheat saddle]

The tactic to not get 2 tapped is smart positioning, using your superior move speed and stealth correctly. Rogue does not need this kind of damage.
https://youtu.be/YtL2w3gycIw?si=2w0ryu9rbsBKO1LO

[vague narwhal]

what perks should by barb be running in solo?

[warped raft]

Sound is a big one. Can't tell you how many I have heard coming through a door I know they just heard me killing stuff on the other side and they come skipping through like they are in Oz.

[empty sigil]

Have fun playing Ranger & Rogue. You can all sit invis or camp traps all game together - enjoy it long ques as the playbase leaves because it's not fun.

[warm lodge]

and its hard to hear a greasy little rogue not moving up in a corner waiting for someone walk by. Rogues literly add nothing to team mechanics of the game and theyre only used for farming gold. its gross.

[warped raft]

Idk what else to tell you other than learn some patience then. Rogues are not an easy class to survive with stealth or not. If you want to play by sight only in a game called dark and darker where sound is prob your most important ally then you will never make in this game.

[zinc spruce]

Ask barb chat

[warm lodge]

i think ill just choose to not play rogue and rogue until they fix the game. like i said earlier, the simple fact that almost every lobby is full of naked rogues just ruins the experience.

[elfin karma]

Does fighter combo attack apply the 10% PDB on the second swing?

[warped raft]

whats odd about this statement is i see more fighters than anything in the game idk maybe cause i main rogue they dont stand out to me as much

[warm lodge]

i promise you that its not majority fighters.

[wheat saddle]

I'm glad so many people are playing rogue, just like when magic missile was stupid people were hopping on the wizard bandwagon. It brings light to problems and they eventually get addressed.

Yes there are a lot of fighters too, probably because they're some of the ones that have some semblance of chance if they proc second wind the moment a rogue is on top of them

[warm lodge]

good point. i would be completely happy in a game with no rogues. But i know that will not happen. i just dont see any value they bring to the game other than to loot and rat.

[warped raft]

more like so many fighters cause most have the mentality of line of sight fighting then after they get jumped by a rogue enough cause you just cant play this game that way they pop over an try rogue, cant beat em so join em stick

[warped raft]

other value is to make you think, you cant W key this game, you need to pay attention to everything around you, most of the complaints i see come from those who want to be able to see someone and dive on them, well guess what, rogues are in the game and you have to prep for this just like any other class, go into a fight in all pdr and get shredded by a wizard, its no dif all i know is i rarely ever die to another rogue even when im not playing my rogue cause i pay attention, if i even get an inkling a rogue might be in the room in heading into i will usually just go another way and if im forced id rather take some swarm damage to wait out their hide. its a thinking game.

[wheat saddle]

What you're saying there, is if there's a rogue, stay away

[warped raft]

yes, specifically if you are having as hard of a time as you seem to be i would just go another route, why even try to mess with their stealth, if you are not going to wait it out just go around, there is almost always another route available

[warm lodge]

i mean yeah i like to pvp and usually you gotta see them to pvp. imagine if rogues had no vision when invisible that would be great, we cant see you, you can see us. All im saying is your defending a class that is hated by most players in the game and is most refused class to play with. Just the simple fact that you main rogue an expect every class to conform because you are a rat that likes hide in a corner and kill the guy who is just barely about to get out of the dungeon, says alot about your character as a person.

[warm lodge]

The game is not fun with rogues, i have no issue with any other classes. i do not enjoying queing into a lobby and half the lobby is rogues in there undies with a pickaxe.

[warped raft]

im defending the game, not the class itself, and pointing out that most people are lazy and just want to play line of sight, if you want that go play COD or something of the like, this genre is meant to be challenging to a degree and instead of trying to mold everything to your satisfaction and banging your head against that wall learn how to counter better by taking your time to assess, if you are not willing to do that and spend most of your time yelling they should be removed which you know is just not going to happen and of course you have no problem with any other class cause you can W key them LOL

[warm lodge]

im done arguing with you, you are the problem with this game. Goodnight rat

[wheat saddle]

That's not the problem, the problem is what is shown in this video. This kind of damage should not be possible on a class that is invisible and already has the advantage by being invisible.

https://youtu.be/YtL2w3gycIw?si=2w0ryu9rbsBKO1LO

Your answer for dealing with this class in the game's current state is to just stay away from them. If you take that mentality there is no reason to play any other class for reasons other than goofing around.

[warped raft]

LOL, enjoy trying to play Call of DaD 😉

[zinc spruce]

You know what scares rats, swinging a big sword blindly

[warm lodge]

maybe ill just make a rogue so i can smoke my pipe while i wait in a dark corner for some unexpecting victim to bring me loot. i mean thats playing the game right?

[wheat saddle]

I wish they'd add reactions to these channels so you could thumbs up comments

[warped raft]

i at least hope its weed you are smoking, calm you down a bit 😉

[main garden]

@chrome kelp brooo I’m gonna do that now lmao thanks for the plan

[tepid bobcat]

Ya know it would be cool if gear from killed players either a) became "looted" and contributed toward AP or b) actually contributed toward AP

[orchid quartz]

god this place just never cease to amaze me
now people are complaining about an invis that you can barely move around with
never change DaD game discussion dwellers

[rustic pecan]

rogue 100% is not a problem right now. carry your explosive bottles u find n just throw at places u wont be/corner/open door ways. ALL of you loot greedily. Not for your life.

[main forge]

you're a bot

[rustic pecan]

post rank

[main forge]

"post rank" for pve leaderboard
imagine if any of the good players were actually grinding ldb rn

[rustic pecan]

its so easy

[main forge]

my point

[dusk dirge]

so nice when a rogue 2 taps u, i fucking love it

[fierce lotus]

no point in slowing yourself down with PDR gear when rogues just pierce 60% of it anyway
you will unironically survive longer by building vigor and max HP instead

[tepid bobcat]

unironically, huh?

[half zenith]

does anyone have a list of what all the merchants do when theyre quests are done? For example, the weaponsmith can upgrade weapons from green to blue for silver powder

[dusk dirge]

yeah , that would be nice , wiki doesn't even show what gold items u can make

[half zenith]

Yeah Idk what giving 20 gold ingots to the weaponsmith will even do

[tepid bobcat]

Rogue did 75 damage in two hits, I killed him in one 🤷‍♂️

[wheat saddle]

It's not just the invisibility itself, it's the invisibility+the sure kill wombo combo

[wild jay]

The people not complaining about rogues are in fact rogues, I've already confirmed that once by accident lol. Rogues who are not good rn do not know how to build properly. Rogues VERSATILITY is insane rn. You heal faster than rangers with bandage spam, 2nd to cleric so bring bandages. You can build ms EASILY and have a 10% ms (shadow runner) AND 50% phys dam(ambush) bonus for your next attack coming out of invis, run both those perks. Daggers are outputting insane damage rn + jump switch/dexterity means you practically lose zero Ms, you don't even need to do that really the animations for switch are practically instant. Any classes that haven't built some kinda of dexterity/resourcefulness are dead, you will be so fast you can literally treat players like pve. Any rogue not talking about these points in a realistic manner is being toxic. "You die in one hit" no you don't lol. Any attack that can kill you in one hit you can easily avoid, and rn if you're even being hit, theres a legit problem. Other classes take so long to switch weapons/consume heals/etc their sluggish. Just focus on bringing in gear that amplifies your Ms and physical power/dam

[tranquil kelp]

ROUGE need NERF as soon as possible

[tranquil kelp]

Please explain tha<t that rouge with 2hitz 75 it's completly grey stuff and u need to be at least blue/purple to oneshot him

[dusk dirge]

guys how expensive is a gold coin purse ?

[tepid bobcat]

I'll explain: I had a white zwei and mostly whites and some greens and blues from dungeon. was goblin caves though he was surrounded by mobs and asked me for help. I obliged, clearing both that room and the one I came from at the same time. but then said I don't work for free, as he came out of stealth I took his remaining HP with one swing
Just find them first

[wild jay]

? A rogue asking for help is literally the worst case of what we're trying to tell you

[tepid bobcat]

I mean just play zweihander barb, I haven't been rogue'd yet

[wild jay]

I do. You haven't encountered anybody experienced yet. The zwei is strong but it's way too slow. And rogue whose built Ms will literally treat you like PvE, and if they brought 10 throwing knives you're dead, we're not talking about some noobs, were talking about people in ranked who actually know what they're doing

[tepid bobcat]

bring 10 throwing axes, and viking for the chase

[half zenith]

can we still craft the gold bag with troll pelt?

[wild jay]

Idek why I come to this discord, I'm about to just be a rogue and abuse it. I already have lol. People say "oh barb has rage!" Yeah and rogue has shadow runner lol. I sometimes feel like the only objective person here who actually plays outside of one class

[tepid bobcat]

good for you boofus, so do I but nowhere near your level

[warped raft]

The questing system is what keeps me to mostly one class right now. The amount of time with the low drop rates to try and do quests on other classes is too much and everything is locked behind them.

[empty sigil]

Fact that quests aren't account wide is wild. Doesn't surprise me at all though, they just throwing darts at this point trying to keep the illusion of progress

[gleaming cedar]

My biggest pain is bossing. Sure, it's a tad bit easier now that crypts can go solo, where only the chaddest of chads go down, but that means fending off at least one murder hobo, depending on your spawn.

[strong ember]

Where is quiver and ehere is inventory that you can share with all your characters. they said it will be done before 2024

[gleaming cedar]

If all goes well. Well, if something can go ape shit, it will go ape shit.

[strong ember]

ty mr murphy

[random plinth]

So, I died to a single floor trap at full health last night

https://medal.tv/clips/1Mlbz0SIpSlQOL/vpEEbMFmS?invite=cr-MSxCZkMsMjc2OTUzNTks

[sudden plinth]

bard builds?

[calm torrent]

Am i tripping or does it feel like there are bots instantly trading people that give a bit smaller price for gold ingots. i feel like the second it pops out i trade but they already trade

[undone belfry]

you think thayll lower the damn score needed to reach demigod? im stuck at blue

[gleaming cedar]

I wouldn't be surprised.

[calm torrent]

Im not sure cause its impossible to tell since i may just have geriatric fingies.

[wild jay]

Yeah, id be a higher rank if I wasn't so focused on questing

[gleaming cedar]

Best bard build is action speed + dex + armor rating. At fully buffed, you can get to 100% action speed, which makes your short bow gatling fire at 0.6 seconds.

[wild jay]

I stare at the text spawn and insta click trade a lot and I'm intentionally buying ingots up because I think the price will go up

[calm torrent]

same bruv

[undone belfry]

if you buy items need for quest in trade do they count now?

[gleaming cedar]

Nope. Must be looted.

[fast atlas]

Depending on the quest, look at them it will say if the item needs to be looted meaning you must find it in game. The ones that require ingots don't have that because you have to craft them so you can trade for those.

[twilit dragon]

Am I the only one whos FPS dips to 2 and stays there when a Warlock uses Phantom in front of me? Old system and new system does it - New OS install - Same GPU - 2080 Ti.

[gleaming cedar]

Lower your settings.

[twilit dragon]

Oope forgot to add that - Tried that as well. I turtled everything.

[gleaming cedar]

Lower your resolution. Change Antialiasing settings or whattever the fuck it was. Lower your frames per second.

[twilit dragon]

130fps down to 2 and staying there isn't a settings issue in the slightest.
I literally just told you, tried turtling all settings to generic 1995 settings cos I was alive then.
Been doing this for a good minute. I'm old and PC experienced.

[gleaming cedar]

Give screenshot of your settings.

[twilit dragon]

*glares sideways* anyone can set a setting to something and take a screenshot. What does that prove to /help you determin?? lmfao

[errant halo]

Yep can confirm warlocks can make your fps drop like a fly. Dont bother with settings. Its the ability and something it does is not optimized at all.

[twilit dragon]

Cheers. I figured since new everything and different settings yelided same results.

[twilit dragon]

What GPU do you have?

[gleaming cedar]

I am on a potato PC of AMD Athlon II 240, and GeForce 730 2 GB. If I can the run at an almost constant 30 FPS, so can you.

[coral mulch]

rogue gets one tapped by barbs and warlocks, two tapped by the rest of the cast

[twilit dragon]

I can tell you're like 16-20 and have no real PC experience or knowledge...
You're addressing someone with twice the IT wisdom than two of you combined along side a degree in it.
I'm not dogging on you just simply telling you the truth. The fact of the matter is you truly don't know who you're
talking to at any given time so trying to sound smart may just backfire on you. I'm glad your potato PC runs the game
just fine at 30fps constantly. We're talking about a specific case here and just MAY be architecture dependant and something
way deeper than you can grasp. Now I am dogging on you at this point. Cheers.

[orchid quartz]

Lmao that looks like those navy seal copy pasta

[coral mulch]

[gleaming cedar]

And I can tell that you have no idea what life in the Balkans is. Hauling 10 tons a day for minimal pay? 2 USD an hour is a great pay.

[twilit dragon]

*shakes finger*
"You know what I'm about to say it...
Okay...soo...
I don't care that you broke your elbow..." -That one legend kid in school.

[gleaming cedar]

Great. If you want me to help you fix your FPS problems in your game, say so. I will be slav squatting in the corner.

[twilit dragon]

I never asked for your help you offered unsolicited advice when I simply asked for a confirmation or not to the general community; then you started living up to your name and...whatever this is that you're doing. This is me walking away now. At least TRY and have a good day? 🙂 Cheers.

[onyx echo]

bros an actuall npc holy shit

[twilit dragon]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[grim vessel]

Embarrassing.

[grim vessel]

Reddit personified

[slim dust]

how much does old rust keysell for?

[surreal aspen]

lmao you didnt have to do him like that

[karmic basin]

i hope so as well

[vapid hollow]

so yea rogues can 3 shot 69% pdr fighter now?

[wintry plume]

how would i find a link to the collectors discord?

[chilly mortar]

yeah great as always being a fighter. we havent had a buff since the game was on playtest. all the lobbies filled with rogue-ranger-warlock

[gleaming cedar]

To do me like that? How did he do me? If he knew as much about computers as me, he wouldn't have a GPU 4 times better than mine, and complain about FPS drops.

[whole trail]

Kinda hope they give a sickle as a utility item, like the pickaxe, in the next update. Get more herbs if you use it.

[versed owl]

super annoying to not be able to see your damage dealt to players after dying in highroller, sure seeings how you died is good to know but you can't have retrospective on what you should have done differently without the offensive data being available...

[weary fractal]

How do you see how you died?

[smoky estuary]

🤓

[graceful juniper]

Does anyone else get a massive stutter every few seconds or so?

[sudden nebula]

fucking audio of this game

[vapid hollow]

theres so many cheaters and cheesers right now that for ironmance isnt good to show how u die

[weary fractal]

Yes. It's gotten me killed a few times :/

[graceful juniper]

is there any way to fix it? Game is basically unplayable because of it. I die so much because of the server lag.

[versed fox]

can be good to say which server is Lagging. haven't experienced any lag on Frankfurt.

[graceful juniper]

Game is unplayable. Too much server lag

[weary fractal]

Could try resetting your modem / router. Likely nothing you can do if server lag is on their end.

[versed fox]

which server you playing on?

[graceful juniper]

US East

[echo crown]

hi guys do you know why ginger cookies are so overpriced thx for the answer idk what to do with like one is around 250 golds

[vapid hollow]

u can get unique items from goblin merchant with them

[echo crown]

ok thx it make sense now hahaha

[twilit dragon]

You need 100 of them for Nicholas's final quest.

[opaque gyro]

Rangers should start with an arming sword instead of a shortsword. It's dumb they can't break barrels/boxes

[twilit dragon]

You can with 3 arrows - Just annoying.

[narrow blade]

holy shit this is the cringiest thing i've ever read. This HAS to be a copypasta, no way you're real

[twilit dragon]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[narrow blade]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-5eFkq6XEs same energy

[twilit dragon]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[iron oak]

Unless I have missed out on info on how to dodge the rocks but the second phase of cyclops feels cheap as it has no indication of where rocks are and the damage even in normals is a little too much either add indications for where they are falling like a rock crumbling effect, adjust the damage or give cyclops a different second phase mechanic please.

[glad mauve]

When he hits the ground it’s a half second delay and then you jump. Avoids damage that way

[iron oak]

Can't the rocks hit your head?

[flint sluice]

get got dealt 96 in 2 by a rogue

[pastel oak]

IS there any way to report teamers in GC? Just got teamed on by 4 rogues shit is getting ridiculous bro

[wintry sun]

Currently, it seems you can only report people who did damage to you

[flint ingot]

Have any of yall ever rolled a unique from the cookies? I wonder what is the % chance of getting one

[errant halo]

Radeon rx590. Game runs smooth as fuck though all the time only some abilities from bosses or players are the culprits

[grand shadow]

So since we can’t spectate people anymore we’re supposed to just report everyone that kills us?

[gleaming cedar]

Just 96? Absolute BIS rogue can deal 300 damage.

[noble flint]

They should add the Skeleton Champion's helmet as rare loot from it

[grand shadow]

Did they get rid of general chat?

[undone belfry]

bittersweet, i get biggest kill ive ever had then a rogue runs up and sneaks on me after I hadnt moved in minutes lol. killed eachother. now mega loot just sitting in goblin HR

[tawny idol]

whoevers idea it was to put magic healing and the other magic stats onto demons glee needs to off of life

[crimson olive]

so, i just ran into a fight and targeted the Fighter instead of the other guy, bard i think, and he starts yelling that its bannable and hes going to report us for teaming. isnt the whole thing pre-teaming, not organically? it wasnt even teaming, just killing the biggest threat and switching.

[twilit dragon]

Organic teaming is not bannable, no. The third party can always choose to run away.

[crimson olive]

so people are just idiots then, thank you lol

[flint ingot]

i just played a game with a BIS kit and had with 3 FUCKING PEOPLE teaming against me this is so pathetic

[stark flint]

This is the moment to reflect. You are the problem. Yes, you.

[grand shadow]

No you are the problem

[twilit dragon]

Trolls be out today

[sonic stone]

just be friendly with them dawg. they are teaming because they are both friendly type players lmao.

[stark flint]

Go on teamers. Don't create teams and play team lobbies. Team in solo and call it natural and the right way. F**k me player base is worse than the game. At least you will run it to the ground and we're done with this comedy.

[grand shadow]

The devs just ruined their game to pander to you and you still don’t like it? Lmfao

[elfin holly]

Cope seethe

[next walrus]

bro my high roller rounds are more successful than my normal rounds, just loot the first room and gtfo, and die less than i do in normal 😛 edit, i think thats because in high roller other players are just being careful and wanting to get out too, vs normal where people go ape shit trying to kill you lol. I saw this dude die to npcs trying to kill me in normal. its like bro, i would have left u alone

[grand shadow]

After pve gets easy and you’ve done the bosses, there’s nothing left to do but pvp and quit the game

[queen vortex]

howling crypts is f'n brutal solo

[tulip ridge]

Pls let us buy multiple pots and bandies at once!!!!

[faint cosmos]

Happy new year to everyone except rogue mains! 😄

[chilly mortar]

happy new year except rangers and rogues, you guys uninstall game

[next walrus]

@grand shadow high roller almost needs to be nerfed a tiny bit. but just my opinion. i mean the loot

[twin magnet]

Its been a year wheres the new ice map

[vapid arch]

its been like a month since it got announced

[normal marsh]

alright so i just recently got a Gold Coin Chest from the gold pile after killing the Troll right. am i seriously only able to take out 10 gold at a time??? with a chest that can store 10,000 gold???

[vapid arch]

you can move it into gold coin purses or bags and it'll fill them up instantly

[normal marsh]

THANK YOU SO MUCH 🫶

[normal marsh]

it's definitely odd to do though haha. i noticed you have to drop the Chest onto the coin purse, making sure the purse is under the top left corner of the chest or else it doesn't transfer

[fiery sphinx]

my game launcher wont update?

[chilly mortar]

thats because you play rogue and ranger. the game doesnt want you back sorry

[twin magnet]

what do you mean, its the next year already

[weary fractal]

love running around looking for an evac portal for 5 minutes and can't find any lol

[chilly mortar]

when you learn the maps you will know exactly where the stationary ones are

[real tundra]

What classes are stronger in solos? just curious really

[empty sigil]

Play Rogue or Ranger. Devs have made it clear that playstyle is preferred and they are already very solid and will most likely always remain that way

[pseudo zinc]

What exactly is the point of having High roller seasonal rewards if the actual points gained isn't shared between classes? You have to just play countless hours of one class to get the skin which seems counterproductive to making people want to engage with it

[wild jay]

Don't listen to that other guy, go fighter, yes rogue is strong rn but the class changes so often theres no telling what will happen to it, and fighter can also run bow and armor

[vapid lark]

Ranger is not stronger in solos don’t lie bro

[flint swan]

rogues are killing this game for me

[queen vortex]

I dont care what anyone says rogue is fuckin brutal to play vs pve especially in solo crypts

[vapid lark]

How Lmao

[real tundra]

Rapier feels like one of the easiest weapons to pve with.

[winter carbon]

they should like really tell you how much damage you did to the person who killed you instead of just saying they did 100 damage and killed you

[knotty dirge]

Does Poisoned Weapon scale with Will on Rogue?

[wild jay]

Don't wear anything that reduces your Ms 👍 it's the reason why you see naked rogues have a lot of success. They maximize ms. Try to find armor that helps you break even on Ms, and some good boots, you'll literally be flying lol. I been saying that rogue needs some balancing rn but rogues will flame me for it. Fighters need it too.

[queen vortex]

ill give it a shot. I can survive anything with figher or cleric. PVP is better with fighter than cleric. I can pvp with rogue but PVE fuckin wrecks me especially running daggers.

[drifting bramble]

what to do if i get killed by teamers? How can i proof for reporting teamers

[queen vortex]

you get mad and move on to the next game. only way to prove it is to get shadow play or something and submit a ticket. But its really more hassle than its worth.

[drifting bramble]

its 100% worth if ppl can only play the game if they 2vs1 in solo and thats the reason why i lost a 3000 gold kit. its just annoying and those ppl deserve to get banned

[queen vortex]

if you think its worth than record it and submit a ticket. Thats the only way besides the in game report system. You can scroll thru the names of people that damaged you and click pre-team report. good luck

[twin magnet]

magic damage scales with posion but you need additional and true magical to notice fat damage

[wild jay]

Well yeah those classes are very strong against PvE because PDR.

[drifting bramble]

thanks i guess, but how they gonna know its an actuall solos game if they just see how i got 2v1?

[queen vortex]

idk bruh thats why i dont bother. I just use the in game report system, get mad for a bit and move on. But i dont give a shit, easy come easy go imo.

[real tundra]

okay now flip it what are the worst solo classes

[vapid arch]

bard

[sour basalt]

Anything that doesn't get some useful loot once in a while

[real tundra]

bard is my highest winrate class solo thats wild it feels so easy (I am not high rank on any class)

[sinful ocean]

Why do you keep blocking innocent players?

[undone belfry]

so I queue up with my rubysilver kit unequipped. I spawn behind a rock in pregame and dont move. a ranger runs ove and pre swings his spear, peaking and hits me in the head.... the ESP is a joke. In game he found me ofcourse but I stayed near a static and reported him after I dipped. I cant stand cheaters

[vapid arch]

anecdotal evidence isn't evidence, bard is inherently bad other than that they can have rapier and crossbow which are good weapons

[undone belfry]

i disagree. geared they have great movement speed. I ve seen some beefy bards

[vapid arch]

if you're playing solos or teams there are classes that do what bards do but better
other than uber gear with good players there's no reason to pick bard
and everyone class is good when they have gear so its not exactly a good point to say that

[vague narwhal]

NERF WARLOCK YOU STUPID FUCKING CUNTS!

[queen vortex]

lol

[real tundra]

Im not saying they are good. It just goes against my experience so I was saying its odd. You are probably right.

[graceful storm]

are moldy bread drops random or is there something to look for where its more likely?? Im not seeing any idk if im unlucky or doing something wrong

[twin magnet]

any skelebutts, just kill them in normals

[lapis marsh]

So rogues

[last spoke]

glad we put out map rotation which isnt optimized and delayed new map,new character and auction house BIG BRAIN IDEAS

[queen vortex]

you didnt do anything

[calm torrent]

im realy tired of warlocks being able to BOC you from 100-0 its such a annoying thing to happen to you i feel like i wanna uninstall because of this class

[uncut tusk]

you can block, run or jump so it doesnt headshot you

[calm torrent]

yeah try that with a staff and a dude bumrushing you at twice your speed ;D you just try to cope that your fav class doesnt get nerfed . Just face it this ability is so overpowered that you cant face a lock as any other class other than rogue or ranger

[queen vortex]

Its funny cause locks know its a problem and abuse it. So many locks run phantom and BoC with a purple staff and naked.

[twin magnet]

just buy a bow

[wispy sleet]

Castillon too strong with dagger mastery on rogue

[queen vortex]

easy to say just buy a bow.... do 40 damage while they do 150 youll win

[deft grove]

anyone know where to find flowers in game?

[vapid arch]

ruins

[calm torrent]

happy new year boys and girls

[empty sigil]

LoL, warlocks are in such a bad spot right now, this is comical

[uncut tusk]

warlock is pretty trash, not sure if you have played it yourself

[calm torrent]

press q and bonk is a bad spot? xd @uncut tusk yeh one and done bonk just play phantom bonk not spells and ggs

[shadow roost]

DON'T WORRY GUYS, THEY BUFFED ROGUE AND RANGER SO CANCER META WILL FORCE US TO ENJOY THE HOLIDAYS! THANKS DEVS! HOLD THE LINE!

[empty sigil]

I would trade BoC for Crossbolt spell in a flash. Pretty hard to land BoC in higher ranks once people understand how to play around it

The Phanomize/BoC build does do well in very specific matchups ,and weak on many others. I ran that build a lot, and again..... Experienced players don't get tricked by it.

Way more counterplay than cutthroat, landmines, or triple arrows

[wooden coral]

Give us spectating back please for the love of god. I just got 4v1'd in Solo Crypts. All of them grouped up. No VoIP. Nothing.

[vague narwhal]

are there many cheaters in this game?

[queen vortex]

yeah a bunch report everyone

[subtle cairn]

Only 11

[umbral path]

has anyone actually found any of these herbs

[somber raven]

Can someone help me troubleshoot my ghost king gameplay. looks like I am ducking too soon but looks similar to what i've seen and not a lot of wiggle room? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tpPwFunCXA

[wooden coral]

Why can't I see the report channel?

[wary eagle]

Happy new year from Prague lads

[echo perch]

They seem to spawn in the center room where the worm and golem is

[umbral path]

SPECTATING AND VOIP MADE THIS GAME FUN AND SOCIAL

[subtle cairn]

Someone t-bag me after killing me, is that a banneable offense?

[wooden coral]

I just realized, one of the teamers who killed me damaged me and yet I couldn't report them. They didn't show on the report screen as damaging me. But I'm looking right at the clip of them damaging me. Thank you so much IronMace for removing spectating. It'd be so easy to report pre teamers but nope.

[queen vortex]

yes report them. unsportsman like conduct

[empty sigil]

Varies depending on time of day, server. ESP seems pretty rapant at this point, getting close to where legit players are thinking about using just to keep playing field level. Game is VERY easy to build hacks for.

The amount of spawn rushing, landmines and invis pots you experience when you bring in a good kit is very high recently.

[regal terrace]

nerf the fucking ranger already groups of 2 or 3 flailing arrows is pretty fucking stupid

[queen vortex]

Good thing my kits suck

[toxic parcel]

Lmao spawn rushing is not an ESP problem. I do it every game because i know the spawns. and it doesnt matter if people see you through walls. just fight them

[empty sigil]

Completely agree, but the frequency of PvP coming at you is increased significantly of you spawn with awesome gear. ESP won't fix your fighting skills, so it only takes you so far.

[toxic parcel]

if you have awesome gear then you should use it ig

[gritty flume]

why is this the only video game where you can't hear someone running at you while you're talking to someone. frustrating

[flint swan]

why is this game so unblanced trash that i keep playing lol.

[queen vortex]

you think its unbalanced now. shoulda been here a few months ago

[gleaming cedar]

It's always been imbalanced.

[hollow ginkgo]

how many gbs is the game

[muted sigil]

has there been any updates on the black screen on start up problem. my buddy cant even play the game

[gleaming cedar]

That's a too old GPU problem, which some have solved.

[muted sigil]

ahh TY

[gleaming cedar]

I think I can help you with searching for answers to it in PMs.

[nova bronze]

FIX DESYNC DOG DEVS

[subtle cairn]

A ranger killed me from very far and never get close to fight me. Can I report him?

[flint swan]

ya im done, rogues ruined this

[mortal valley]

I am never near these mobs when they hit me.

[queen vortex]

buh bye

[brisk mason]

Mad cause bad

[frail widget]

Lol 😂

[subtle cairn]

The problem is that he had a teammate cleric healing him, clerics shouldn't be allow to heal

[placid obsidian]

has anyone here had the issue where dark and darker just wont open? you hit play and it just black screens until you task kill it?

[mortal valley]

Clerics are 100% OP but the devs probably don't know what to do without absolutely breaking them.

[frail widget]

Clerics are fine. They need to be holding a book and not focusing on the fight to heal which essentially makes it a 2v3. If they aren’t healing they’re just a tankier, slower, weaker fighter

[calm torrent]

WHY CANT I SPECTATE THE LOOSER WHO KILLS ME AND WATCH HIM HOPEFULLY DIE??? WHAT IS THE HARM TO BE ABLE TO SPECTATE YOUR KILLER. of course always the devs go about the worst way when changing smth

[frail widget]

How would you fix people abusing spectating in order to get an advantage then? You seem to be an expert

[calm torrent]

maybe the way i just said before? only be able to spectate your killer?

[mortal valley]

In a game where healing is sparse there is one character which can instant heal the party multiple times during a fight all while being very tanky, versatile, and dangerous itself. The Cleric is an extremely obvious balance issue esp in 3s.

[frail widget]

That would still be valuable info if you wanted to abuse it. It’s a ranked match, no reason to watch your game in particular anyway besides toxic or sentimental reasons. Get in the lobby and requeue

[calm torrent]

bruh no it wouldnt be. imagine being able to do smth when you r dead

[frail widget]

The reason it’s gone is because people were abusing it my guy. It isn’t worth having if it’s going to cause people to have an unfair advantage in a mode that is made to be competitive

[vapid arch]

people complain about teamers going into lobbies
people complain when IE does something to mitigate it

[calm torrent]

it was abused by people to kill themselves at the start and give info later what good does it when you lose 1 person in a squad just to know where others are when you have disadvantage? and if you could only spec your killer this would be impossible @gleaming cedar bad way to mitigate it

[wise widget]

Anyone doing any data analysis on D&D games outside of IRONMACE? I see some stats in the Dev Announcement Channel, but was curious if anyone else was doing some stats stuff.

[frail widget]

No people would have multiple copies of the game, stack into lobbies, die on the alt and then use that info on their main that is in the same game

[calm torrent]

bro do you hear yourself? you wouldnt have enough time in the game to do this typa shi such a reacharound its crazy

[frail widget]

If you’re the only person on your team that dies you could only spectate your team. People def did this and that’s why it was removed, the devs wouldn’t take it out unless they had to. It’s only in ranked anyway, you don’t need to watch a game your team is already dead in. Get into a new one

[visual jolt]

why are u arguing or taking the opinions of someone named 'kitty boy' seriously lmfao

[calm torrent]

Dude you make no sense. there is no reason whatsoever to not be able to spectate your killer. Hw you wanna check if he is not cheating? for example. like dude.... the devs showed time and time again that they like to overdo things and approach matters very extremaly just to revoke changes later @visual jolt idk tbh maybe im bored

[mortal valley]

The game should have some sort of replay system and detailed post game stats. Obv that is a large ask for the devs so we can only hope that over time they are able to work that stuff in since content is probably the most important thing they need to focus on right now.

[frail widget]

Meow

[chilly mortar]

you are arguing about idiotic things. the most important thing right now is to nerf rogues and rangers or even delete them from existence

[frail widget]

Skill issue, meow 🐱

[vapid arch]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/870973035962847232/1191139296523079710/E1916829-D5FD-48F8-ABFD-D54E20124A83.gif?ex=65a459ea&is=6591e4ea&hm=3d41497cf8167ff68a972e1fd70ebbf524b4a9b7dd8efab50268b8d5eed7f0b7&

[main garden]

I'd argue the big problem with the game right now is range meta, theres almost no point in PvP combat when you realize you do more DPS throwing Frans or xbow swapping 24/7 with 3 crossbows in your inv, even rouges can just bring 20x throwing knives for easy kills, tbh Id argue to remove all ranged weapons and attacks from the game except from ranger and spell casters. I think I speak for a lot of people when I say that I play this game to have medieval melee combat, not play CoD. @frail widget found the pidophile Lol.

[chilly mortar]

agreed in this, i would prefer that too. im tired of wanting to have a swordfight and die two hit by someone 100m away or being kited around a room and just have the other guy throw knives at me until im dead

[main garden]

@chilly mortar You could also just halve their damage and remove slow on it for throwing items. The slow on hit is the only reason why you are allowed to spam them while out running people.

[flint swan]

gl all im out

[gleaming cedar]

Cleric and OP.. That's the best joke I've heard.

[mortal valley]

The trio with a cleric is at a distinct advantage against those without.

[main garden]

@mortal valley Eh. Range meta ftw

[gleaming cedar]

A trio with a cleric, 85% PDR fighter, and say, a minstel, get's deleted by a stacked armor pen rogue. Fighter in 2 hits, minstrel in 1, cleric in at most 2 hits.

[main garden]

Couldn't have said this better. The only thing I can really add tbh is rouge obliterates PDR and range obliterates everything else.

[gleaming cedar]

Mind you, the rogue can still stack armor rating on himself, and get to 45-55% PDR out of max around 70%. The class is so OP that it ain't even funny.

[main garden]

@gleaming cedar Idk man it just makes me disappointed. I just finished grinding to voyager and its so toxic its not even funny. Rouges are sitting on every corner, fights are just throwing axe simulator, and the rest is just boring loot simulator. The only fun part of the game currently is LR imo because people aren't bringing 20x Franciscas/throwing knives, tbh a good fix might be to just limit people to bringing in 4x throwing items.

And I mean who am I to judge combat. Maybe we are just supposed to bring in as many ranged options as we can to wittle down enemies and thats just how the game is intended to be played.

[gleaming cedar]

A nab rogue threw 10 throwing knives at me two days ago, only 1 hit, the rest were dodged or blocked as a cleric. After that, he went around to gather some mobs, to unleash on me with hide, 2 gobbos and 1 bat. I usually go for war hammer and shield, but always keep a war maul in inventory. I was expecting him to return, so I equipped the war maul. Made short work of the first goblin, but the second one got me. After it hit me again, the rogue popped as I was still fighting, tried to side step me, but took a hit to the head. Too bad only white hammer, went in panicked, and hit me once, got him on the return hit.

Edit: Typos. Lol, mahher.

[main garden]

Probably the most polarizing opinion I have is that some of these 2H weapons that have -50 move speed really need to be instakilling squishy targets on a headshot. Its hilarious when I decapitate a base kit rouge with a war maul and he just walks away lmfao. Weapons need to have different scaling maybe and different ratio damage for hitting sub optimal limbs.

[gleaming cedar]

They used to, especially in the hands of a barb. Everyone complained. They got nerfed. Clerics suffering from success, but not their own.

[main garden]

@gleaming cedar ooooo, another good idea could be to limit throwing weapon stacks to 1.

[signal lagoon]

1 out of 3 games lately has been a person using hacks. sigh

[coarse stream]

whens the next patch. the longer this map rotation stays the quicker this game dies

[stark flint]

You guys are having conversations that other had 5 months ago. We faced rogue land mines and ranged unfun meta. People gave feedback, streamers spoke up and IM nerfed rogues and even slightly rangers (rangers used to have triple quick shot with long bows). And now, after those few months, they deided to reestablish the same problems we though had been dealt with.
I appreciate you still care and try to find a way that would make the game better, but honestly, it seems IM doesn't really care. My advice is to have fun as long as you still have it playing dad, but when it's more frustration than fun, just let it go.

[peak iris]

I play a bard, everything is as threatening to my life as the next thing lol.

[twin magnet]

you're the only one in there way to get there legendary in santa's shop

[subtle heart]

@zinc sparrow What are the chances of getting another tourney soon?

[peak iris]

Wizards and fighters are going to have to try a bit harder, because I'm 5/5 on them for my own kill quest.

[fierce lotus]

How come rogue players act like you just shot their dog if you suggest rogue should have playstyles other than landmine? Are they stupid?

[urban sierra]

anyone else crashing everytime they try to launch the game?

[cosmic ruin]

Long time lurker with a curious question because I am currently seething and malding over the trade market. What's people's general consensus on the trade market and how it's implemented? Do people here generally like it, dislike it, etc.

[fierce lotus]

It's fine, still need an auction house or like a listing system though

[sonic maple]

It sucks because a lot of merchers buy anything not overpriced then sell to gold buyers for 10x upcharge then think that's the normal price

[hearty lynx]

bruh get rid of rotation and just let us pick the map we want FUCK

[rich viper]

Can rogues have a protection bubble when syealthed?

[tardy sandal]

Yes

[tulip swift]

Game is too laggy for mobs to hit this hard I get killed 7/10 games to rubber banding back into attacks

[graceful storm]

LMAO

[weary fractal]

The trade system reminds me of everquest trade channel from the 90s. Got that mad old-school bazaar feel of people hawking wares lol

[glass wharf]

If I get in a lobby where I can't move shit around my inventory or pick shit off the ground because it says "inventory is too full" or "Can't put it there" .. Is there a way to fix that?

[calm torrent]

great a rogue stabbed me once as a ranger and i died xdd from one stab ;D
not even poison or smth just straight up died

[summer sparrow]

I’m a Huscarl class of a type of player and this game as the potential to make a mixed class between fighter and Barb, where you use axe and shield with Viking helmet and a few item’s between Barb and fighter, not using a crossbow, but maybe a new bow like a hunting bow that’s in between survival and recurve bow, and maybe 2 new axes for main hand small fast attack one and a bit heavier one both got this new class, with the potential of new armour like scale and chain mail

[main garden]

@calm torrent got 2 tapped by a rouge for 184 damage. I was an id*ot and thought a protection potion would save me from the infinite damage they do. 😂

[calm torrent]

ngl they r rly scary now. unless you catch them off invis then no chance

[main garden]

Really hard to kite in a fight as well, they can run while drinking an invis potion and then turn around and reach move speed cap with shadow runner for 116.7%, guess I got outplayed and should never have taken a fight agaisnt a rouge. Idk I guess its just time to put down the game for a week until the next hotfix, all I see in voyager HR is rouges these days anyways

[calm torrent]

you can add how eas its to get rich on rogue so they can be geared to the teeth

[main garden]

Idk its not worth talking about anymore, its pretty obvious the devs are going to do something about ambush

[latent needle]

Easy on every class though, it has never been easier to get money

[fierce lotus]

Significantly easier on a class that requires no investment and loots faster than any other class

[latent needle]

You cant sit here and tell me that rogues ability to "loot easier" is the reason for the class being good (which it isn't - outside of a terribly boring playstyle).

If ambush is nerfed, other things have to be reworked or the class has nothing going for it except AP generator.

[calm torrent]

true but rogue always is much easier to replenish a lost kit or smth @latent needle bruh such an L take. its one of the most op classes atm literally murderes its supposed counters with ease. Rogue was this op only long ago

[chilly mortar]

its so funny that i 1v2 two teams , straight fight, i destroy them , and then die to a naked rogue waiting invis somewhere. this meta is so fun

[main garden]

Just give the devs their data and only play rouge, I hope I'm making a dent in the data, just killed several lobbies going solo rouge

[tulip swift]

I hope every mob in the game 2-3 shotting every class can be left behind in a new patch too because trying to learn the game with no gear just isn’t fun

[main garden]

@latent needle its more about the greater good. People will feel more inclined to play the squishier classes when they dont die to uncounterable dagger doing about 100 damage a hit, if rouge was removed people would play so many more classes in solos

hell imagine playing trios and you walk through a doorway that has made no sound in the last 4 minutes, ambush 1 shots your first backline and then castillon 3rd hit for 1.5x damage 1 shots your 2nd backliner - its hilarious watching a whole team die because they didnt wait outside a door for the whole match timer

[latent needle]

Rogue gets 1shot by most classes lmao, it needs a significant amount of gear.

[chilly mortar]

that is so true. the game right now is just rogues waiting invis to ambush and 2hit someone, or its ranged with rangers buffed out of their minds, and even fighters not using swords anymore, just using crossbows. whole game full of chickens that are running

[fierce lotus]

I love how I say rogue is able to function with very little investment and these dishonest little rats make up some completely different shit to support their dog argument

[latent needle]

Your dagger is doing fuckall damage without investment - and if rogue dosent kill someone in 3~ hits, they just die

[broken forum]

[main garden]

base dagger 3 hit combo does 130 damage on test dummy..... 49 + 33 + 49 STARTING KIT DAGGER

[latent needle]

What are we even arguing here? Hitting naked people?

Then every class is broken, barb 1shots rogue!!!!!!!

[calm torrent]

barb is supposed rogue counter when a good rogue right now has no issue to kill geard barb as a naked with blue casti

[main garden]

Wrong again Brandon, please play the game before discussing balance, a barb with savage and beserker hits for almost 100 on a dummy (AND THIS IS WITH A GOOD WEAPON NOT STARTER KIT), keep in mind that barb has a 1.1 second swing time before you get to do damage, in that same time rouge has swung twice and readying the third attack

[fierce lotus]

Me: "Rogue can loot very quickly with low investment."

Rogue mains: "sO yOU tHInK RoGUe ShOuLD bE UsELeSs AP FaRMeR???"

Like no that's not what I said wtf are you talking about

[latent needle]

1. Castillon dagger with literally no gear has slow attack speed.

2. talking about balance shouldn't be based on literal testdummy damage.

[main garden]

@latent needle I just can't man. seriously bro. The dummy has a 15% negative armor pen so all of this is already what everybody is thinking about, its all scaled of course so just multiply the damage by .85 tbh, doesn't change the fact that it is a joke that its hitting for 130 on test dummy with the worst dagger in the game.

[latent needle]

It's a fucking dagger, tell me what you want rogues to do, if not do high damage (At the closest range in the game) quickly.

I rarely ever see rogues in my games, I don't even get where you are seeing all these rogues.

[broken forum]

major youve been getting baited for like 20 minutes

[fierce lotus]

Maybe because they can turn invisible and can choose not to take fights they don't want to take, unlike literally every class against rogue
Rogue mains proving time and time again that they don't believe in consent

[main garden]

That explains a lot. I'm sorry I continued this conversation. @broken forum who cares man, I'm just giving the devs data rn anyways

[dry nebula]

😭

[latent needle]

The most delusional take you've had so far is "giving the devs data" - They have proven time and time again to misuse data 🙂

They keep changing things in such weird ways, including nerfs/buffs.

[main garden]

@latent needle I'm surprised to hear you say that, its funny how you agree with my statements more than with giving the devs data

[latent needle]

I mean they misuse data for their class performance changes, so if rogue is overperforming as you claim, then they will just gut it without reworking the playstyle.

Warlock has been terribad for a long time, fighter (like it always has), is too good because it can do everything. etc etc etc.

[main garden]

@latent needle for the final time please go play the game ;-; I don't think you've said anything that is remotely close to being true about balance

[brave sparrow]

Whats a really good dual wield combo for slayer fighter?

[calm torrent]

falchion short sword is goated

[brave sparrow]

Short sword over flanged mace? Im guessing the attack speed is better then the armor pen?

[steady zodiac]

LMAO I did 165 dmg to a barb and he didnt die SCREW YOU DARK AND DARKER

[latent needle]

What are you on about? Fighter is in 80%+ of comps, how is it not a good class?

[unborn plover]

Does anyone have issues with their game ending abnormally?

[noble flint]

Cry

[steady zodiac]

keep it to yourself scumbag

[dawn gate]

anywhere to find support on game constant crashing? heard there was some sort of support function. i've tried everything it hasn't worked

[midnight copper]

does anyone play barbarian? i dont think ive seen one and ive put like 20 hours in

[dry nebula]

i see plenty at pathfinder rank and above

[cerulean mason]

we survived round 23

[lethal vector]

HAPPY NEW YEARS DUNGEON DWELLERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[azure pelican]

yo how often do you guys get warlord the last 5 games have been warlord in HR

[calm torrent]

cant even play ruins anymore with the state of rogues...

[next walrus]

yo wtf is with cleric swarm, and earthquake spells, are these things completely useless or what? Edit: they also disappear faster than the description says they will

[flint swan]

only comptaible classes for solo are fighter and cleric. Game broke

[next walrus]

not even rogue huh?

[fading hound]

https://medal.tv/games/dark-and-darker/clips/1MwYE7bGbPNvJ1/d1337GDmWDQA?invite=cr-MSx5T1YsMjA5NzYxMjAxLA

[serene pagoda]

Cleric can solo?

[fierce lotus]

crypts yes, ruins GC I wouldn't

[flint swan]

roguess are killling this shit lol

[tardy sandal]

We are becoming the worst class in solos because “buff ball” requires us to be weak so it isn’t strong

[brisk mason]

Huh. That has nothing to do with it. Cleric isnt the main component of buff ball, its just a very strong support class. It hasnt rlly gotten many nerfs in solos the class is just pretty slow and lacks range

[tardy sandal]

Or any buffs whilst most classes are being changed every patch

[half zenith]

anyonenknow how to farm old cloth?

[frail widget]

The biggest nerf to cleric is how gd boring they are to play lmao

[graceful storm]

Buff cleric nerf fighter

[zinc spruce]

Also nerf both warlocks corruption and hyrda combo shenanigans (not saying it outright, don't need more of it)

[dry nebula]

Lol just delete the class at that point

[zinc spruce]

No no the class idea is cool, but getting 94 damage against at least 100 magic resist (30%) from a staff bonk is no, along with the hydra combo going completely in the face of the class idea

[analog summit]

why even add a skill like cutthroat man such bs! literally cant do anything as wizard this game just favors b**** ass rouges at least vs rangers i can maybe dodge and attack but like vs rogue what run and they already outrun me? go to cast and they just fing dodge or get to me sooner than my slow ass can cast mm with the arcane mastery lol this game is a joke for wizard

[zinc spruce]

There are other builds you can try, but yeah rogues are kinda a menace especially to wizards

[analog summit]

and its like to any build literally hit a bard with 3 zaps wiktha blue staff and the beginning of mm and then he just killes me cuz its just so ez

Hppy fing holidays ironmace i uninstalled your game because playing wizard sucks ass

[zinc spruce]

On note of changes maybe reduce zombie gas timer, don't change it too much, but they can just eat someone's time up if the zombie/s are dead and the gas is still dancing for like a solid 15 seconds after

[frank zinc]

fighters should never use ranged weapons

[fringe hemlock]

I can´t be the only one tired of Rogues with no gear that pull mobs then invis..........

[sonic maple]

Cutthroat shouldn't stop spells that have been cast as you're done chanting right so a throat cut wouldn't do anything right

[stark tree]

geared exemplar fighter/cleric LF HR duo or trio if my friend hops on

[frozen oar]

Is it intentional that the buy in AP fees are different per map in solos? It seems to be -200 for Crypts, -160 for GCs, -120 for Ruins. Which is very weird since Ruins is probably the easiest to get in and out on. I'm talking for Pathfinder 2 with those values, but it stays different at every rank.

[fading seal]

Does warlocks powr of sacrifice heal if self cast?

[scarlet bronze]

No. It damages you. 3 per second no matter your mr

[sour basalt]

I wish tehy'd just kill the third hit from the Arming Sword combo. It's slow, it does bad damage for its speed, and the hitzone is completely broken. It's just overall complete shit.

[deft lintel]

Cutthroat is a trash skill. If a rogue is close enough to hit you with you are dead anyway.

[half zenith]

Is the final tavern master quest really have kill lich 21 times? Or is it kill lich once and it’s a typo on the thing I’m looking at?

[sonic maple]

Absolutely not nearly every gold rogue runs it for a reason, it counters every class. As a wizard I never feared rogue before they started running it. It stops magic missle mid cast for some reason

[half zenith]

I’ve only run into a few rogues that actually run cut throat. It did kill me a few times though. It does seen underrated

[quick pike]

its a great skill against a barbarian for example, so they cant rage and run away. its fairly niche but is solid, its not like you need the damage anyway from rupture...

[sonic maple]

If you get to voyager you may as well assume they all have it

[wind venture]

Can we give barb a shield? Would be great, especially against inferno.

[shell flicker]

A viking shield and we go in almost full viking 👌🏽

[wind venture]

Wasn't it idea to for barb to be vikings?

[gilded dome]

[wind venture]

and it wont break the game cause we'd probably only use shields for pve. Doing inferno solo as barb is almost impossible. You can learn the attack pattern, but your attack speed is just so slow compared to other classes you'll get hit by the time they are ready to attack, super annoying.

[mild plinth]

Slow with a horseman's axe would go hard tbh, just gotta give it like pavice movement speed.

[glass wharf]

Best wep to try and roll with gingerbread cookies?

[wind venture]

And now I gotta wait another hour to try and do hell again. I hate thisss rotationnnnnn, it's so stupid!

[calm torrent]

rogue just 3 shot me not in the head as a fighter. im dropping this game untill they learn to pu the fucking boot on the rogue... every patch they do some crazy buffs to characters that do NOT NEED IT

[fading kiln]

While also randomly nerfing bard

[gleaming cedar]

Barb already has a shield. It's called a quarterstaff.

[wind venture]

@gleaming cedarget out lol

[gleaming cedar]

The quarterstaff is the best barbarian off hand, change my mind. I've blocked 4 out of 5 of a ranger's shots with it, you are just salty that someone is better than you.

[dull rain]

can I complete the gold ingot quest by buying it from trade?

[spark thicket]

Yes

[gilded minnow]

if you ape the cave troll killer when theyre done you should be euthanized

[calm torrent]

nah i like to do that to get the quest pelt ;D they always yell also ;D

[gilded minnow]

learn the fight

[misty axle]

when can we have dark and darker instead range and ranger

[neon wind]

i think rogue should be reworked to be more utility and skill based, winning encounters by outwitting, using utility advantages, and not a glorified M15 anti tank mine that just presses q + e and m1 twice to win

[calm torrent]

easier to murder someone that came to do a boss naked ;D you know what we need thoug? NOT ROTATING MAPS WHY AM I FORCED TO PLAY A MAP I LIKE 1V3 WHEN IM FORCED TO A BAD MAP 1V1. the designer of goblin caves should go to jail 😦

[gilded minnow]

nah youre just a loser cuz learn to do the fight stop being bad at the game

[calm torrent]

naaah they are the losers since they came unequipped to defend their pile of loot ;D

[severe trout]

does anyone know if you can hand in handled gingerbread for the last saint nicks quest?

[coral mulch]

Yeah its best if rogue was useless and made into a loot goblin so you guys can just chase them around the dungeon for free items

[neon wind]

not what i said but sure buddy

[coral mulch]

be more specific xD. What utlity, what exactly would you like rogue to look like? I refuse to accept any type of critique without real thought. Rogue has such bad perks and skills, the only viable way to play the class is aggravating people.

[neon wind]

you lost me at the xd
and i think its telling that you are defending landmine play style when its the most boring bullshit thing iv ever seen in a game

you can play rogue with cunning, doing hit and runs more likely how it was intended to be played, but no one does that because it actually requires thought and planning

[coral mulch]

I've purpose many detailed changes for rogue, its just careless cause the class is actually in a really shit spot. So the way ironmace handles class changes hasn't been very detailed. The last thing I want is this class to get that play style, the only one thats viable, nerfed. The entire rogue needs to be changed now, they trapped the class in a bad spot this patch, cause now if you nerf it, the class is totally worthless without meanginful changes in other places

[neon wind]

if i recall my initial message called for 'reworking' and not a nerf

[coral mulch]

:D im just cranky, you are right. I hope you find some legendary items today.

[jade heron]

How much do you guys think a gold key is worth?

[coral mulch]

idk you probably want to go to the collectors guild, and not use the game trade lobbies though. Collectors guild is easy to find in Discord search

[jade heron]

heck yeah dude you are awesome 😄 @coral mulch

[dull furnace]

Not sure if this is a bug or not. I'm unable to move to the right while crouching. Crouch is bound to left control and right to d. If I stop crouching and hold d Im able to move to the right again. Anyone else experience this or something similar?

[spare elbow]

Do you have something bound to control + d in your game or in a different software like nvidia geforce, keyboard macros, streaming software? Anything that would be prioritizing over the game registering it correctly

[calm torrent]

i just got stuck in the elevator inside hell that is in a room with centaur and berserker and got killed by centaur great game design 🙂 not stuck between smth but when elevator came up i got squished inside the pillat structure I DEMAND A REFUND OF MY GEAR FOR THE LOVE OF GOD

[spare elbow]

Sucks but def report it so they can try to fix it.

[calm torrent]

yeah i did but i lost time and gear its so annoying that they still didnt fix the collision issues which are a problem since day 1. instead they play around with numbers for no reason

[spare elbow]

They have done a lot of changes to cheese spots , so its def something i think theyd look at if they got a bug report. Its probably inefficient to have the whole team working on a single issue so thats why a lot of diff things are changed each patch but they dont fix every problem collision spot in 2 weeks time

[timid sky]

100%.

[calm torrent]

naah i mean overall collision with objects or moving entities needs serious work

[shell flicker]

Do you get decent AP from bringing out ores?

[gilded minnow]

skill issue

[calm torrent]

bruh, 12y old got to the daddies computer ;D

[gilded minnow]

u died its ur fault like u said about troll griefing

[quick pike]

rogue could do this before the buff, its funny to see people angry over it now haha

[timid sky]

Daggers were worthless before last patch and needed some love. However, the issue now is the combined effectiveness of the dagger perks (mastery/thrust), ambush, weakpoint, and the boost to dagger base damage from the last patch. Rogues with low to mid tier kits are fine right now. It's the high end kits that allow crazy burst damage with this combination (and why daggers were nerfed a couple months back). Hopefully, reworking the dagger perks to reduce a rogue's burst potential will prevent the single combo kills against classes that were able to absorb that damage before (PDR's, barbs, etc)

[calm torrent]

not tre kekw

[meager olive]

Is it worth finishing ginger bread stocking quest or just using the ginger bread cookies with goblin?

[spare elbow]

I mean you get a unique ring and pendant for finishing the quest but you get blues at worst up to uniques for rolling with them too. Personally ive already turned in 40 before i realized cookie rolls were added so ima just finish it lol

[hidden yoke]

Hello everyone.
I‘m a chinese pure green player. I haven't used any software that is unfair to the game in dark and darker. I'm a fraudster by the game,I'm innocent.can you help me figure it out?

[spring mesa]

Fighters 2 shot me with falch. Why are you mad about 3 shots

[onyx current]

Game desperately needs auction house rn

[oak geyser]

how do I calculate how much damage crystal sword will do? with will bonus and all that

[broken fable]

It's bloody complicated, your best shot is to hit a training dummy, tbh

[oak geyser]

ty

[unreal obsidian]

when is wipe?

[gritty breach]

I'd assume in the next month. But who knows!!

[muted crow]

@glad thunder YOU NEED TO REMOVE ROGUES FROM THE GAME IMMEDIATELY! EVEN IN NORMALS THEY TWO TAP EVERYONE. YOU HAVE TO REMOVE THEIR USAGE FROM THE GAME ENTIRELY AND REWORK THE ENTIRE CLASS. THIS IS TRASH.

[austere vapor]

lmao

[muted crow]

@glad thunder IT'S ACTUALLY SO BAD THAT ROGUE PLAYERS COULD BE USING DAMAGE HACKS AND WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO TELL. WHAT IS YOUR VISION FOR TTK IN THIS GAME? DO YOU ACTUALLY WANT TTK THIS LOW? ARE YOU INSANE? YOU'RE ALLOWING ONE CLASS THE RUIN THE ENTIRE GAME.

[oak geyser]

feels like im better off just using the falcion since most low lobbies dont have tons of pdr

[deep vortex]

does anyone have a ratio of weapon/armor rarity to treasure rarity for AP?

[spare elbow]

Armor/weapon of any rarity is basically worthless for ap. Only worry about taking it if you find a great item to sell/use, or you’re filling gaps bc you couldn’t fill on treasure. To max out AP always prioritize treasure, even a white treasure is better than a blue item for ap i believe. To max out money though taking blue and better gear is good too.

[craggy swan]

love how people complain about rogues but don't factor in that they're literally a 1 hit to everyone who doesn't have brain damage, but bows are fine and are in a balanced place rn :)))))))

[quiet knoll]

how is performance for game now? last time i tried playing i got some weird graphics driver errors and really choppy gameplay

[frozen needle]

why are gingerbread cookies selling so high?

[flat gust]

Want to know too

[weary fractal]

kinda stupid how hydra sees thru all invis

[trim crystal]

i freaking hate rangers!!!

[spare elbow]

You can roll uniques from the goblin merchant. Worst roll for gingerbread is blue.

[soft sage]

does anyone know how much iron ore sells for

[foggy stirrup]

is it me or warlock is very hard without gear? I know I suck at this game but still

[open lance]

hey whenever i startup the game im left on a black screen for hours

[wooden thunder]

Anyone feel like Warlock's being able to 1-tap for over 100dmg with a 1H is a bit ridiculous? Just had one bop me once, even though I was fully kitted and +magic res +armor, for over 100dmg and one-shot me...

[calm torrent]

I HATE OTHER MAPS THAN CRYPTS WHY THE FUCK IS THERE NO SOLO OPTION FOR IT ONLY THIS DUMB ROTATION I REFUSE TO PLAY OTHER MAPS

[foggy stirrup]

you WILL play gobo cave

[shut sail]

do you know what he had? im a warlock main and usually you gotta have some decent gear for that

[calm torrent]

no wonder this game is dying faster than i thought is possible. there is no soloplay

[wooden thunder]

Likely geared as well, was HR and the 1 shot was unexpected so didn't get a good look at him.. Any single hit doing >100 dmg seems OP

[shut sail]

yea if it was a magic staff it's pretty fine since you gotta be closer to someone than with a dagger but for falchions to 1 shot you need a looot of will and magic damage, unless its rogue or ranger, both those classes are the rests worst nightmare

[wooden thunder]

Ah, for the weapon it was a 1H sword. Maybe the wizards sword or whatever that blue one is

[shut sail]

ah i always forget about the crystal sword, that'd do it!

[jovial knoll]

whats the current price for golden key

[oblique crypt]

Do we have an update on when the Druids will come?

[wooden thunder]

What spells do you think stacked to make >100 dmg hit? BoC or more than that?

[dawn gate]

uh, so are bows fair?

[shut sail]

was it solos? if so at most bloodsoaked blade but its very rare to see than, only really on a niche melee warlock build. They also have passives that give a bonus 10% bonus to there will

[wooden thunder]

It was solos. interesting, will have to check it out and see if I can reproduce it. Thanks for the chat @shut sail

[shut sail]

np! warlock is very fun but low gear is pretty useless. It's definitely a snowballing type of class

[spring prairie]

In the leader boards, what does it mean when the name is in red?

[vapid arch]

karma, blue good red bad

[woven temple]

guys can anyone help? been wanting to play for a few days but no payment option is working and the support system cant help either im completely lost at what to do

[spring prairie]

What country are you in and what option are you picking?

[calm torrent]

this game is so annoying to play a dude playing warlock can just fucking bumrush you and kill you in one hit BOC when you have 120 hp as a fighter. im really getting tired of this game and i rly think about convincing my friends to play smth else.
I dont rly care about gear its just not fun to play a game where someone can literally oneshot you after using an ability that requires no brain to use.
I want a fight not some bullshit

[woven temple]

UK - ive tried 2 cards, paypal, amazon

[chrome dragon]

Hey devs, I know you probably won't see this but here is my opinion based on game design theory for your classes...

If the team focused on reducing the number of perks on rogues and change the focus on their class away from stealth and towards movement speed, it would heavily favor combat / engaging gameplay.

I don't mind stealth, but the landmine gameplay isn't interactive. Making stealth on shorter cooldown, Giving them only 5 seconds of stealth.... that is really great combat mechanic

[calm torrent]

Btw the AP system as it is now doesnt work at all. a new player wont be able to compete after playing a bit. they reach a rank where all yoked peeps are quickly anyway

[uneven ledge]

What can you even do against land mine rogues lol

[calm torrent]

pray they miss?

[chrome dragon]

You need to reduce landmine play activity reward

[reef island]

What’s the most damage you can do in one hit?

[reef island]

Yeah I like this, I rather smoke pot over stealth, how about nerf the visibility debuff on smoke pot but make any rogues with smoke pot be able to see enemies in it? That would work a lot better id think

[chrome dragon]

I don't know if they need any bonus, just focus on movement speed differences. Give smoke pot more debuff instead.

[chrome fog]

brainrot idea, the only way 5s stealth would ever work is if u made zero sound while in it and that would be way more op than what it is right now

[reef island]

Yeah but people will get outplayed the fuck out of rogues if they’re faster, imagine losing to a naked rogue with a grey rapier just because they’re faster than you, any cleric is instantly gone

@chrome fog it actually isn’t that bad, problem is if that you can go invis 3 times per fight then proc ambush every time then that’s the aids part

[chrome fog]

they already made rogues do less damage and be much faster, u missed that era clearly. almost half the player base was playing rogue because they were basically uncatchable which means unkillable. game was boring as hell

[open yew]

why did all my fucking gold disappear after changing characters ?

[zinc spruce]

Loot is character tied

[chrome dragon]

2 Thinks - 1 a cleric is 1v1 a rogue, they should lose. Bottom line if we're talking about a fight in the open. Rogues were the antithesis of armored people back in the day.

@chrome fog not true at all. they would likely balance the damn ambush issue atm. And on top of which, it makes a lot of sence that you're stealthing from dark spot to dark spot

[chrome dragon]

Also in regards to grey rapier fighting. I again don't think they just magically get any faster. It's about creating moments of slow, like a stronger smoke bomb.

It makes me laugh that Fighters have a sprint with full armor, but rogues don't.

[reef island]

Buff using agi pieces on rogue, make it so he is the definitive fastest character when geared, nowadays a slayer fighter just needs 15ms lightfoots and speed rings to reach the cap, which makes no sense

[chrome fog]

the game ur explaining is not a fun one and people wont play it, theres should ideally be no situation (ignoring gear) where its literally impossible for a class to beat another. base kit, every class should be able to beat every class assuming they played it right. rock paper scissors in an extractor game is lame as fuck

[reef island]

I also don’t like the fact all shrines are nerfed, you should be able to fully regain health from a health shrine and be able to get a lot more speed from a speed shrine

[chrome dragon]

There is no way a grey rapier rogue should ever beat a geared cleric. I'm talking about two grey kits fighting. You're obviously hyperfocusing on the current version of the game.

Let me ask you this then skweepy -- instead of just complaining - what would be your alternative solution? Please contribute to the conversation 🙂

[reef island]

I do believe every class should be able to 1v1 eachother if they have the skill but what I think would still be beneficial is if they also are stronger vs other classes, I’d like this change of boosting movespeed if it also contributed to giving more stats to other classes like cleric

For example you can give rogue the ability to get 330 movespeed with no chest/legs and good boots if you give other classes a way to outplay that speed advantage such as wizard having to land slow, cleric bind is also good but only viable if you running teams and you get your team to focus the rogue

[graceful coral]

amazing bug, picked up a chalice and BAM nothing can be picked up off the ground no matter what even when i have enough inventory space, ruined my hr run lets hope ironmace fixes it after i submited the bug report

[chrome dragon]

Really great suggestion. I think they need ot get the talent tree running so people can choose playstyles on class. i.e. Rogue that stealths more at the cost of movespeed

[reef island]

Exactly, I actually love the double jump change with the -20 movespeed, I still run it despite this but then I have to play a different playstyle

[slow depot]

The fundamental problem with the map rotation is that the map rotation makes it harder to make meaningful progress in quests in a way that feels linear to the player. I can't plan out my day such as "oh my friends aren't on today, I can spend some time in the goblin caves and get the solo quests done". Or "oh the boys are on, let's get the boss kills down" etc. Now it's just kind of free for all every quest and it doesn't feel like you're actively working towards anything. This, combined with the trade system taking forever to kit up, makes for a very unsatisfying gameplay loop. What are everyones thoughts?

[low talon]

just got betrayed by my rogie partner lol this game is memes

[open lance]

does anyone know why the game locks on the ;oad up screen

[ocean wing]

never trust a rogue

[livid onyx]

Are all ore deposits doubled in HR or only gold? Thanks Sour

[tardy sandal]

All

[frail widget]

I think clerics requiring a perk to wear plate armor would be balanced

[chrome fog]

?

[frail widget]

Like a reverse slayer

[vapid arch]

they'll flesh that stuff out more when they add skill trees, probably a paladin spec for cleric or something

[frail widget]

Yeah that could be sick. Like they could get weapon damage in exchange for magic healing or smth

[next summit]

anyone else disconnect?

[worldly briar]

naked wizards and warlocks need a freaking nerf, these cowards need their crap pushed in

[fast atlas]

yo are gold bags bugged? Ive lost like 500g, keeps resetting to 0. NEVER MIND IT JUST TAKES FROM THE BAG FIRST

[sudden nebula]

how a barb is faster than a rogue both naked dang

[crisp vine]

WHEN ARE WE GETTING A PS5 VERSION?

[trim bramble]

i dont like map rotation

[zinc spruce]

Weapons out, rage

[full stone]

Does anyone know off the top of their head which ores spawn on which maps? And if HR affects the ores at all

[vapid arch]

all ores spawn on all maps except only gold in ruins, HR means more ore per node

[regal raven]

Why can I not pickup items off the ground? Is this a new bug :/

[full stone]

🙏 Perfect tysm

[misty oak]

Why are there so many people with gold gear today

[crimson olive]

how to link items in trade?

[trim bramble]

shift leftclick

[hearty lynx]

Gold gear is never worth a key change my mind

[icy crater]

Any new information about upcoming classes?

[graceful storm]

when druid, when new map, when talent tree system thats said "coming soon" for a whole year

[hearty lynx]

What if we could get blacked out limbs like tarkov. Why wouldn’t that be a crazy cool thing. Would make fights much more methodical and strategic

[slow depot]

LF someone to craft me a gold coin bag, I give you mats + 5 gold ore you trade a gold bag DM me

[hearty lynx]

??? What? , have you ever played 3’s and seen one group kill every group in the lobby? That’s kinda silly. Yeah ok if they don’t get hit sure but you shouldn’t get smoked in the arm by a juiced barb and proceede to use the same arm to kill 12 more people 💀😂 make surge kits make the arm useable to a degree maybe with half motion range or half damage idk. Just thinking off the top of my head , could be cool.

[flat gust]

Nobody like xd

[lusty folio]

bring back spectate

[worldly briar]

why do the demon dogs headshot you

[lusty folio]

they got dat dog in em

[undone belfry]

is the 100 gingerbread quest worth it? or are they better to just use/sell

[trim bramble]

please bring back spectate

[hearty lynx]

id sell them for now, good chance they remove the use of them after the christmas season is over, considering they were added during the season ya know? would be my guess anyway

[vapid lark]

Bring back backshots

[worldly briar]

warlock's spells NEED TO BE BLOCKABLE

[silver vault]

get aegis, easy

[worldly briar]

lemme get 10k gold

[silver vault]

actually.. i think its more like 50k? i forgot the price of keys tbh i think its around 15-20 prolly 🤣

[worldly briar]

its annoying because thats the new warlock meta, spam curse of pain with books because its unblockable and super cost effective

[silver vault]

its kinda tragic with how bad warlocks perks and spells are whilst being over tuned enough to be viable

the perks are super mid and the only real 'damaging' spells are curse of pain and bolt of darkness spam. hellfire and hydra are more danger-zones like setting up a hunting trap that forces people to play around it, most people never actually get hit by any of it.
oh, and there is literally no reason to run any of the curses because theyre just sub par compared to curse of pain, to the point half of the warlocks spells are wasted

[jaunty grail]

As spud hunter as said this game doesn't need to be like rock paper scissors.. because it's annoying and unfair if one class just straight up counters you..

[frail widget]

Yeah but it being rock paper scissors makes it more fun. Stop playing solo

[sudden nebula]

normal trio for lich/gk anyone?

[limber atlas]

Some of don't have friends that play or want to play with strangers so no. We're gonna keep soloing until there's some kind of auto fill. The community isn't exactly welcoming either. The main response ppl get for posting any criticism here is "ur just bad, don't play"

[limber atlas]

The game being rock paper scissors makes it bad, and not fun.

[graceful storm]

when druid, when new map, when talent tree system thats said "coming soon" for a whole year, when wipe, when chambers

[vapid arch]

when it comes out lol

[graceful storm]

repoze had 120 move speed on his warlock earlier with his book out looked so annoying to play against

[worldly briar]

i had to fight one like that and ill tell you wwhhhhaat, i wanted to shred them entirely because its just spamming the same spell over and over. never using beam of darkness, or anything else!!!

[frozen kite]

honestly, turn VOIP off, its not worth it for the scummy teaming that takes place

[quiet steeple]

Who’s idea was map rotation…

[proper frigate]

I like it tbh but GC 3 player teams go crazy

[ocean wing]

i feel like they shouldve waited to push map rotation till the new GC map came out

[quiet steeple]

I don’t mind it I like taking breaks when there’s a map I don’t want to play. but mostly I j wanna play what I wanna play…

[worldly briar]

i think running naked should be punished more

[brisk mason]

You take like double dmg lol

[worldly briar]

in regard to speed

[bitter wharf]

its the dumbest implementation ever. player choice? fuck that... why not split up the servers so you can play any map as any size (1-3) and see how that goes first? see if its viable with the player count and what's the most pop ect.. never a good idea to limit player freedom right?

[weary fractal]

man this game desperately needs a proper way to market loot to other players

[zinc spruce]

Market seems fine

[brave sparrow]

This rotation shit makes maining ruins hard but I refuse to play GC 🙂

[bitter wharf]

yup^ what a lovely christmas present, when people have time to play but are restricted by short sightedness

[zinc spruce]

You could just play the maps on rotation, only problem map is gc in larger groups

[undone belfry]

omg just got rushed by this rogue cheater, i run way out of zone and start to campfire, he literally comes and gets me lmao

[bitter wharf]

Why defend limiting player choice though mate? @zinc spruce If i pref a certain map why lock people out of it. @warped nebula ye that could be possible wont deny that it's just shite and limits freedom. I'm EU and never have a problem with it so might be luck/server dependant.

well you can, at a massive disadvantage. It's not really fair at that point is it.

[sly citrus]

is there an item trading discord? im tryna figure out prices of some things

[bitter wharf]

@sly citrus you can ask in your class discussion maybe? i see people selling items there from time to time and theyd be the people in the know

[sly citrus]

I have asked a couple times to no reply, I can try again

[vagrant condor]

My friend is trying to install game but it keeps saying update integrity check failed and he even runs in admin mode and reinstalled 3 times

[bitter wharf]

goodluck with it!

[zinc spruce]

I'm at disadvantage if I want to play a different map then the same one all the time without map rotation, and they don't have enough players to let any size in each area as different queues

[west garden]

anyone know when next update is?

[bitter wharf]

Well ye but thats totally up to you whether or not you want to learn that map or group with others to help learn it right? I will admit that ye maybe they don't have the numbers for that but why not then just have the normal queues and the rotating ones? a much smaller split then. If its a test for them anyway, this implementation makes the least sense out of all the options to try first.