game-discussion

[bronze gorge]

~30 min ago

[copper wave]

idk i still dont see whats wrong with +3 being a top tier of gear for each slot to work towards. And a huge reward when you kill someone, i think its lit

[pulsar pebble]

who the fuck cares about mendo though? Who watches D&D to see the sweatiest, wanna be esports streamer on the platform? lol

[grave seal]

my main point is that the risk/reward actually felt nicely balanced with epics being available in the shops, and I was more willing to risk a good kit than I am now. I would be ok with losing it to a situation that is beyond my control such as poor design with an impossible amount of monsters in an enclosed space that is just a guaranteed death

[mystic agate]

everyone has more armor and hp now relax

[high jewel]

Just go play a different game bro with that much egg on your face you got plenty to eat already.

[versed saddle]

🇱
HASNT ADDED +5 YET
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everyone wants +5all and +5damage
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literally only listens to streamers AND DOESNT ADD +5 ALL
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everyone wants +5all and +5damage

[amber glen]

Barbarian with blue shrine, bless, all bard buff. could not chase phased warlock with torch out.. LMAO

[weak umbra]

look at this, 1 little rogue buff and deleting purples from merchant was enough to turn 3/4 of this chat into whiners LET THE DEVS COOK AS YOU SAID BEFORE

[humble siren]

what time zone is the maintenance announcements in

[delicate cosmos]

Mendo

[blissful elk]

EST, 🇱
HASNT ADDED +5 YET
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everyone wants +5all and +5damage
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literally only listens to streamers AND DOESNT ADD +5 ALL
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everyone wants +5all and +5damage

[lofty quail]

makes just as much noise as u and can also be waited out

[vale flint]

My guy, putting a pie in the oven and then taking it out 2 seconds later isn't cooking, it's stupid

[rich owl]

They reverted almost everything that was wrong with rogues. Let's just hope the daggers buff aren't that strong.

[pulsar pebble]

"who the fuck cares about mendo though? Who watches D&D to see the sweatiest, wanna be esports streamer on the platform? lol" - Me, 1 minute ago lol

[keen willow]

very few are complaining about those most is about the +3s being added back as they were the absolute worst

[tulip cloud]

Get bent moon guy

[silver escarp]

There's a cap on movement speed now, you were prolly the same speed. Either that or he was cap and you're a slow ass barb

[spare elbow]

fr the feeling of looting 3-4 plus 3 all off someone and then trying desperately to get out with it was very fun

[high jewel]

I see now that you are bait. Well played

[versed saddle]

🇱
HASNT ADDED +5 YET
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everyone wants +5all and +5damage
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literally only listens to streamers AND DOESNT ADD +5 ALL
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everyone wants +5all and +5damage

[lost gulch]

Make High roller cheaper depending on how much gear you're wearing. Low gear > expensive || Super Juiced > practically free

Just a spitball but hopefully it keeps those armchair warlords in HR instead of bringing uniques into low roller games and massacring everyone just to ruin peoples games and not even looting anything

[ebon gulch]

People complain without even seeing the changes for themselves, not to mention the +3 all coming back is an assumption because "revert" and "+all" was used in the same sentence lol

[slate pebble]

when this patch is done they better not have added +3all

[torn imp]

Today's the day hip hip hooray the teddybears have their piiiiiiicnic

[maiden echo]

Same game buddy, but if you don’t know what difference of a good vs bad roll is it’s ok. Don’t know anything about bard gear so maybe you got lucky with your class and gear, but lock/fighter had shit purples available every time I checked.

[blissful elk]

anyone here also think repoze is a freak? guys strange

[amber glen]

yeah, just warlock is phased then

[delicate cosmos]

🤷‍♂️ you asked for names

[solid wagon]

Bring back +3 all

[warped belfry]

so mad so bad

[weak umbra]

well +3 all is not coming back so idk

[vale flint]

Most people who are 20 years old with no real job or life outside a video game is strange

[quaint tartan]

No shot they are bringing back +3 all

[outer pebble]

anyone know when maintenance is over ?

[boreal island]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/497059/do-not-add-2-or-3-all-stat-back-and-do-not-increase-added-damagemagic-damagetrue

[high jewel]

The game isnt up yet. You're just freaking out. Let the devs cook as they said

[subtle heart]

The stealth they have is still nerfed..? They only buffed their damage bro lmao

[silver escarp]

Yeah I don't think they will bring +3 all back, that would be insane. There was no point to any other stat.

[pulsar pebble]

yea my question is why do we need a copy/pasta spam in discord for the opinion of some nobody 700 viewer streamer? talk about influence reach. lol

[bronze gorge]

I think of it more as tuned. Originally it was 200% damage out of invis. Changed to 130% along with HUGE dagger nerf. Now its going up to 150% with a small dagger buff. This is still significantly weaker than the rogues of the past! Greater than 50% nerf from the OG, let's see how it feels and then complain 🙂

[versed saddle]

Ngl he is kinda strange tho but lets be honest 🇱
HASNT ADDED +5 YET
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everyone wants +5all and +5damage
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literally only listens to streamers AND DOESNT ADD +5 ALL
🇱
everyone wants +5all and +5damage

[mystic agate]

Guys I just talked with the devs. They're reading the chat right now! They want you to keep complaining and telling them how much you're gonna be crying in 2 hours. Hurry!

[lost gulch]

as warlock i saw so much good rolls on colored merchant gear, magic heal, +knowledge, +will, +magic dmg, +Spell cast speed. Not including the new base attributes some clothes have

[weak umbra]

let the devs cook guys, you forgot that its still an early acces? sounds familiar?

[blissful elk]

every stream title from him involves the words "rank 1 rogue" he wants his 15 minutes of fame to last forever

[tranquil gate]

then go play one... fuck man nobody wants people taht hang around complaining all the time. just go have fun and quit being so damn toxic

[vale flint]

cooking involves letting changes sit for a few days bro

[ebon gulch]

They are referring to the limitations of +all being on specific pieces of gear, im sure of it. People just jump to conclusions so readily lol some of these people can vote too

[radiant rose]

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[viscid marsh]

Go read this want some opinions https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/492801/mode-change-suggestions

[cunning rain]

bro fr

[tulip cloud]

Nah bro purple occultist boots were mad busted they gave like 19 move speed. Purple Warden gave like 2 or 3 AGI. Purple masks gave 2 or 3 STR. Etc. All of the rolls on stats were garbage it was the tier of the item that would give good base stats which is why they’re reverting stat rolls lmao. Everybody’s rolls sucked.

[buoyant fern]

+3 all is a thing again?????

[silver escarp]

Man rogues are super weak right now, they needed a little buff. And they are still WAY weaker than they were before the huge nerf. Don't worry so much. Likely will be aight.

[versed saddle]

🇱
HASNT ADDED +5 YET
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everyone wants +5all and +5damage
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literally only listens to streamers AND DOESNT ADD +5 ALL
🇱
everyone wants +5all and +5damage

[rich owl]

weakpoint was reverted so was ambush. The only thing keeping rogue from 2 shotting anyone now are the daggers nerfs. Like i said it will depend on how much damage buff daggers gets but i assure you. it's going to be back to rat and ratter.

[teal forum]

Like why didnt they update at like midnight or something

[analog vigil]

they really should stop patching during prime time NA hours

[high jewel]

Except rogue because they were terrible. So theyre buffing them. Are you high??

[subtle heart]

@blissful elk average rogue weirdo

[tranquil gate]

so what. deal with it. you're really just okay complaining and whining? so weak

[alpine quarry]

what is Jack O Lantern?

[maiden echo]

Yep! I def saw occasional blue or green with + magical heal or + magical damage, but no good purple rolls which is what this was specifically about. I could just have been super unlucky but kinda doubt across multiple classes!

[keen willow]

weakpoint was reverted it still doesn't have any damage on it they just reverted only the armor break read the notes next time

[left plinth]

i mean the ambush modifer isnt terrible, rogues got gouged and now they are adjusting cause of the overall physical damage reduction everyone gamewide gets now, litereally white play is only 4-5 points of phys less than blue, the margain isnt 20-30 points anymore

[blissful elk]

yeh repoze is a weirdo

[pulsar pebble]

TBF, rogues went extinct after the last patch. they probably needed this handout lol.

[wraith folio]

Ranger's Chase range ?? whats that?

[boreal island]

weakpoint buff makes sense, giving daggers +1 or 2 damage makes sense, ambush imo is a mistake

[teal forum]

WHAT IS A JACK O LANTERN WHY IS NO ONE ANWSWERIng

[slate swallow]

THE CHAT THINKING +3 ALL IS BACK HAVE DYSLEXIA

[knotty kernel]

I'm reading over the patch notes especially this part " In order to put more value into the higher grades of loot we have decided to revert to the more dynamic random modifiers from before EA Patch #1." Does this mean that items base stats like the + strength on riveted gloves or shadow hood, will no longer scale with rarity as well?

[inner musk]

Does the zones seem to close in on the Ruins map a touch too fast or is that just my imagination?

[high jewel]

Finally someone with some sense. These people are complaining before they even play the new hotfix.

[subtle heart]

@teal forum I wanna know too @ me if you find out

[rich owl]

The armor break was the main issue. It doens;t matter armor got buffed since they can ignore 55% of the armor anyway on a 4 second window.

[left plinth]

its a skin for the lantern

[ebon gulch]

Temp merchant for halloween, new currency added that you can trade in for good gear at the merchant

[silver escarp]

Special holiday currency you can buy badass gear with. Drops in all dungeons

[keen willow]

incorrect rogue movespeed was gutted and rogue gets 1 or 2 shot by any wizard ranger or crossbwo they had no literally no pressure on anyone with skill for the last patch once again it was a skill issue on your part

[viscid marsh]

Go read this want some opinions https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/492801/mode-change-suggestions

[pulsar pebble]

its pretty poorly worded in the patch notes. I agree it probably doesnt mean +3 all is back, but referencing "previous patch" doesnt give alot of clarity on what they mean lollol

[round niche]

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[wicked linden]

shush it

[blissful elk]

I think zach is just trying to send a message to the devs I wouldnt consider it spamming when chat is on slowmode lol, also repoze is a weirdo

[high jewel]

Hold up a shield. Its 4 seconds for christs sake.

[slate swallow]

it says before ea patch 1 the previous patches were hotfixes.....

[ebon gulch]

I wish i could see into the future like you man, life would be so easy.

[slate swift]

cry some more

[silver escarp]

Don't think the notes mention that at all, we'll have to see. I would think they would not revert this change, because it was the only thing making alot of gear worth using at all.

[solid ocean]

I was hoping for much more aggressive reduction to pvp damage in general across the game causing a slower TTK. Or other even more aggressive changes such as more hardcore/solo self found or changing it up further.

[wraith folio]

Ranger's Chase range ??? what is that???

[rich owl]

Buddy you probably play more rogue than fighter to be saying such nonsense.

[knotty kernel]

I mean tht wasn't my exact question. I will admit that with these changes trading post is back and gear will really matter again. But I think the TTK has been increased enought that it won't feel as bad as before even if it functionally remains the same.

[tall crest]

im surprised they changed lantern speed so quickly, e've barely tested it and I thought it was pretty great

[finite marten]

Nerf Warlock

[tranquil gate]

1% of players can't be in 100% of lobbies. Your own reasoning doesn't make sense.

[slate swallow]

this chat is like being bronze in league of legends - Im LoSiNg bEcAuSe oF mY Jg

[pulsar pebble]

"The random modifier properties that appear on the colored rarity items have been reverted to give the much larger value range and larger variety including the +all attributes from before the previous patch. This means that checking the rolls for your items means just as much or more than just the color grade of the item." Does not say anything about EA Patch 1. It says previous patch. Your assumption is they are considering hotfix patches to not be patches for the sake of the wording. English is a 2nd language, it could easily be miss worded.

[vale flint]

NONE of the changes were tested in any meaningful way my friend, it's been like 24 solid hours of actualy playtime in the middle of the week

[high jewel]

Nah...everyone acts like stealth had no counter and rogue is so OP but theyre just glass cannons.

[silver escarp]

Yeah I'm sad to see that go. Made lanterns actually a useable item and not just vendor trash. Back to being vendor trash again I guess?

[ebon gulch]

its worse man, they blame the game rather than their teammates lol

[tough merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/crazy-cat-dancing-crazy-cat-dance-moves-too-cool-i-got-this-gif-14504785

[keen willow]

base weapon damage is so low on rogue it doesn't matter what the percentages were pre nerf a purp stilletto was 29 now it was 19 rogues did no damage for the last patch lol

[lofty ruin]

dude i waste a lot of money on purple lanterns now what! they will give me the modifiers stats or no??

[magic totem]

how could they change the way that the rich get richer and the poor stay poor meta right now. alot of people will quit if geared peopple continually wipe normal lobbys. any large changes to gear stats make the problem worse. the game has become run from the geared guys now

[ebon gulch]

i think net 0 is still worth it though. Lots of times i wanted to use a lantern but didnt want the hit to MS on ym barb. now i can use it freely

[versed saddle]

dude i waste a lot of money on purple lanterns now what! they will give me the modifiers stats or no?? Also repoze is a strange one

[left plinth]

i think they should stop having ANY streamer have input, they dont speak for me or you, they speak for whatever gets them views or money

[oblique spoke]

you will still get move spped

[slate swallow]

did you read the entire post or you came to rage? go back to reading and then comeback to me

[tranquil gate]

you are literally finding pretend people to justify your complaining. You act like chads are in every lobby. They're not chads, they're just grey gear and killing you

[high jewel]

Every game that has rogues has a bunch of dummies complaining about them and how they cant wrap their head around how OP they are lol.

[weak umbra]

higher rarity lanterns can now roll a stat if i understand it right, so they will be a stat stick with 0 downside

[blissful elk]

Me too repoze convinced everyone they were a necessity, so frustrating

[wraith folio]

yep im sick fed up of fighters stomping

[mental latch]

The easiest counter to rougue is to use your brain. Listen for footsteps, look for unlit rooms/hallways, listen for nearby aggro

[lucid gyro]

If they listened to streamers they wouldn't have nerfed rogue that hard are you joking? They're listening to goblin cave only players

[wise ledge]

@wraith folio just play barb 4Head

[silver escarp]

I wouldn't agree on no downside. You are very visible to everyone when you are holding a lantern. You're a walking "shoot me mr.ranger" when you run around with a lantern

[lofty ruin]

repoze is a noob xd

[rich owl]

The only 2 classes than can 1 shot a rogue are warlock with blow of corruption and barbarian. Both of them can easily be kited by the highest mobility class. The rest of the classes are gear dependant can barely 2 shot anyone (if they are gearless)... except of course for ranger but not even them can 1 shot anyone.

[dusty bramble]

LFM while we wait - https://skribbl.io/?hYCaE0uD

[pulsar pebble]

Where was i raging? Not a brain cell in motion inside your thick head.

[magic totem]

why are people complaining about streamers? can someone point to the direct way that they influenced the devs to change the gear?

[slate swallow]

so what makes you not being able to get high end gear?

[blissful elk]

lol I saw you raging

[versed saddle]

me too also repoze is a strange one

[tranquil gate]

nobody can do that. they just make things up to justify their own point of view.

[mental latch]

I think that adding +3 all is not good. It was so fun today and yesterday without +3 all.
People start steamrolling so fast with high-end gear... especially with +3 all its going to make a guy with 3 or 4 +2-3 all will wipe you

[copper wave]

play another game if you don't enjoy this aspect of the game. It should push you to get better so that you, too, can get geared

[lilac zealot]

what is jack o lantenr?

[pulsar pebble]

??? Dont you have copy/pasta to be spamming in this channel?

[lost gulch]

Make ambush require you to use the hide skill and stay invis for a small amount of time so its actually an ambush instead of an instant free 50% damage
no more invis pot chugging while running away for that free buffed ambush damage

[high jewel]

1 to 2 hits is still fast time to kill i think. They have a 4 second window on weakpoint.

[deep kayak]

I believe it is an event merchant

[silver escarp]

Special currency you can spend at a merchant for phat loot

[dusty bramble]

Just chilling in the goblin caveshttps://skribbl.io/?hYCaE0uD

[ebon gulch]

they cant because they are making assumptions. They make decisions for reasons that they dont share, and have no obligation to share, to the community until they do, like with the new dev notes explaining their reasoning as "creating a baseline to raise from". People just want to rage for no reason

[supple sequoia]

Is the servers back up?

[surreal rapids]

Does this mean +3 all is back?

[elfin lance]

Has anyone gotten to use a gold coin bag or coin chest yet? How is the functionality? Can you still only put coins in and out in increments of 10g??

[weak umbra]

yeah but that was a thing before, also you can just press x, you dont need your weapon between fights anyway and if you are fighting then its probably in a bright room so everybody can see you anyway

[rain thicket]

why does it feel like the only teams im running into are 2 or 3 warlocks

[hot talon]

Good hopefully they run this game into the ground and the devs lose money for being incompetent

[slate swallow]

THERE IS NO +3 TEHRE IS NO +3 THERE IS NO +3 - LEARN TO READ - LEARN TO READ- YOU CAN BUY FROM MERCHANT TOO - GO BACK TO POKEMON GO

[rich owl]

Buddy what are you even talking about? Are you even following the conversation?

[mental latch]

I've seen people charging 3000 for a chest. Its nutty

[white prawn]

This community is so full of emotions and rude. Interesting...

[magic totem]

how do you get geared when the lobby has fully kitted dudes? i am genuinely asking. do you just run? because to me that isnt fun. usually i have to do goblin caves to gear then group and lose it all to fully geared people who wipe the lobby.

[pulsar pebble]

Mentally unstable man types in all caps for attention.

[silver escarp]

Fair. I will miss the movespeed though. It's tough fighting rangers on a barb and lanterns were a good boost for that

[tranquil gate]

"a game got me so mad I hope the people that made it fail so hard"
or... you could just disengage and play a different game
your malding over a game.. hating over a GAME

[wooden lark]

wtf this patch sucks. 2 days isn’t enough data to revert so many of the changes. The item modifier reversion is so dumb

[chrome haven]

bro just be a terminally online sreamer playing day 1 minute 1 after every wipe for 14 hour days, it's not even hard get good

[copper wave]

Decision making, you don't need to take every fight infront of you.

[knotty kernel]

no one really knows yet, the patchnotes were rather vague and worded strangely. We will see in a few hours, but it does appear that +3 weapon damage is back.

[mental latch]

You have to learn how to rat.
Plat VERY defensively. Leave doors open. Turn torches off. Darkness is your friend. Even a juiced giggachad that bangs my wife will not go into a pitch black region of the map

[ebon gulch]

they were also broken on slayer fighters. Full benifits of dual weild while also granting MS for a class that MS dependant was insanely strong, left alone theres a good chance we would have seen a wave of slayer fighters like we did landmine rogues

[lost gulch]

warlock is fun now since they fleshed out the class a bit more; I still feel like warlock needs more perks, skills, and spells. ALSO WHEN TEN SPELL WARLOCK

[magic totem]

they have better movement speed and can one shot you while you run. how do you counter play that? i am genuinely asking. do we have to buy gold to even compete?

[lofty ruin]

iron will ignore knockback is kinda troll

[pulsar pebble]

if you played for 1000+ hours id say they are doing a good job.

[silver escarp]

Come on man you know that ain't realistic. The dudes in purps who join normals will chase you down, they are faster than you. They are only there to kill timmies, they care nothing for loot and will chase you until you're dead.

[hot talon]

Devs are no different form any other game. So bad that they’re reverting stuff shorty after nerfing just goes to show they aren’t even balancing just shit and wasting time. What’s the point of a nerf then to reset it next patch. Sorry you’re slow and just accept bad devs. I paid I’ll complain

[vale flint]

I have 0 difficulty buildling up a huge stash, I just don't like the way they back tracked on a change that felt promising and we didn't have real time to test. It's weird for them to act like there was enough testing to come to any conclusion, if you don't see that the devs are not reacting to actual data here, you're just hopelessly biased

[ebon gulch]

i think your getting over attached to placeholder systems and mechanics. Expect change and avoid dissapointment

[copper wave]

are we talking goblin caves? because there is a million ways to kite, push them back, change angles etc

[high jewel]

Im saying there are multiple classes that can one to two shot rogues. Rogues need to land more attacks than that to kill most players. And they have no real defense. They can only do a lot of damage with stealth which doesnt last long or requires them to stand still (potion). Im not sure what confused you.

[mental latch]

I'd do GC's as well. GC's I typically meet chill players who are down to help you extract

[gusty kindle]

Can you stop crying now rogues? It was obviuous this was coming at some point

[knotty kernel]

I didn't like the change, and I agree with the revision. but I do think we should have had more time to let people really gear up with the new system and test out what the meta would have looked like with less gear disparity.

[broken hound]

WHAT IS THE JACK O LATTERN

[tranquil gate]

what a cry baby. Imagine being this upset over a game. literal babies cry less

[hot talon]

Because the nolifers are not the majority believe it or not

[silver escarp]

Was talking crypts, typically in a 1v1 they don't have the power to chase you through a dozen goblins even juiced.

[finite marten]

WIPE WHEN?

[mental latch]

If you want to extract 9/10 times go cleric on gobbo caves, and pick a fighter/barb and buff/heal them while you help. Its a ezpz extract.
I've literally had my fighter get killed by a barbarian, then the barbarian gives me a clarity pot and a mace and says he is my fighter now

[copper wave]

yeah this game sucks crypts, just play goblin caves

[lost gulch]

nvm im dumb i didnt play the playtests

[gusty kindle]

a merchant we had in the playtests. similar to goblin if im not mistaken

[bronze gorge]

they reverted weakpoint penetration yes. But I didnt see anything about the 50% damage boost with WP... I still see this as 50% less damage than OG rogues - plus the daggers are less damage compared to the original as wel.

[chrome haven]

sort of but you can see the stats on the items and it has its own unique currency

[magic totem]

no, goblin caves is the best place to gear up right now because i think realistically 1v1 for most classes are ballanced. its when you take all the gear from there and get into 3v3 vs full geared guys. i want to play with my friends but i fear the more that happens the less they will want to play

[hot talon]

Yes I’m a cry baby because I don’t like what the devs are doing nerfing then reverting and wasting everyone’s time. They’re just guessing over there. Sorry your brain doesn’t actually work and you can’t think so you’re sheep and say people are crying when you no idea what you’re talking about. You’re funny if you think this is a good game right now. It’s a good concept that’s it. Game is trash

[knotty kernel]

@ebon gulch Wow so this is what it feels like to be on the other side of this.

[lethal moon]

what did they revert am i missing somethign?

[silver escarp]

Lol fair, i tell ya what man the new gobbo caves maps and the changes to gobbo caves in general are pretty fire. I'm diggin it.

[gusty kindle]

oh yeah! the stick candies! i remember now lol

[slate pebble]

+3all better not be back

[ebon gulch]

you haven;t even played the new patch yet but are cementing opinions. Thats unhinged. Wait to see what its feels/looks like before you start blasting bs in chat lol

[glass coral]

Sounds like you wouldn't have a great time in prison.. or maybe you would depending on preferences 😂

[wheat zephyr]

wait do we get the candy merchant again?

[tranquil gate]

dude... YOU are the antithesis of fun.
Nothing you have said or done is fun
you literally suck the fun out of the room by crying so loud

@hot talon They're not guessing, they're using data. If you're unhappy, then leave. You've already complained. Anything more is just intentional crying because your wittle feelings are hurt

[rich owl]

Maybe you aren't reading what i wrote... Let me type it again for you and add a little bit of extra. The only 2 classes that can 1/2 shot a rogue are Barbarians and Warlocks with Blow of corruption and i will now add the ranger IF they land headshot with longbow. But the first 2 classes i mention are heavily kited by a rogue, and the latter needs to have godlike aim for them. For the rest of the classes they need to be heavily geared and the rogues need to have none. And did you just said rogues have not defense? Buddy they are the FASTEST class of a game that relies on movement speed to escape, pursue and evade.

[high jewel]

Hes been engaging in that behavior for a while now. Some people are just smoking their own dicks - Theo Von

[fierce copper]

why there is less player right now, cant sell sht nowadays

[ebon gulch]

Just gotta trust the process, dude hasn't even played the new patch and is already cementing his opinions lol

@high jewel

[gusty kindle]

yeep, time to farm candy. i bet well also have santa by the end of the year ❤️

[hot talon]

Ok you’re a Dev on an alt account because there no way you’re satisfied with the state of the game right now you just can’t be bro. You’re just sitting in here arguing people who are upset about legit things. They don’t play their game and what evidence do you have that they’re playing the game when it took them long to nerf out ranger. Please tell me?

[tranquil gate]

even? everybody starts with an empty inventory. what you want is easy fights.

@hot talon cope. i'm not an alt you're a baby

[pulsar pebble]

Based verdict

[bronze gorge]

I would guess that because of the new mechant options. Its only worth to sell on AH if you have absolute top tier rolls on an item imo

[empty sigil]

Did they actually say +3 is back, or we assuming? I dont think theyd make tat mistake

[ebon gulch]

You are the toxic gamer here dude, take a step back and reflect on how unhinged your stance is lol

[high jewel]

Yeah I got all that. Rogues are fast and can run away. They can be two shot by two classes. Im not seeing where theyre broken. Just disagree i guess ..they dont have the 50% WP damage buff anymore. Even with these changes. Heres hoping they get in a right position.

[mental latch]

Gear disparity is an inevitability in games like this, people who play more will memorize the map and loot spots. They will make friends that also play lots, and they will eventually get very good gear. The casualandy's will get railed

[pure pewter]

hello

[fierce copper]

but there is even less player in game tho

[twilit sail]

+3 and +2 all are not back

[empty rose]

Engaging with these types of people just enables them to keep going. Best just ignore it.

[pulsar pebble]

Its also 48 hours into a wipe lol. Not everyone is sitting on 4k gold yet.

[ebon gulch]

im here to combat the unhinged. There are people looking at his posts going "Hes got a point", my responses are for them i know hes a lost cause lol

[wheat zephyr]

larger variety including the +all attributes from before the previous patch. quote directly from the announcement
Hopefully they arent back but pretty sure they are

[graceful imp]

rogue is too op pls nerf

[lofty ruin]

no dude people like hard games all my friends just want to play old DnD just becase it was hard and every extract is rewarding and you save your loot like a treasure. if you wanna take you gear out there do it own your own risk that the point of the game. not every player get geared with blues and purples and then what weres is the challange here. the game we support was a hardcore game. ruthless every mob and player on the dungeon. a soul like game not a soft game for bad players

[crimson forge]

This is every game, very common stuff devs have to deal with

[tranquil gate]

They have a million data points of rangers dying. You have anecdotal experiences and listen to chat rage

[strange plinth]

When mantience over

[stark juniper]

this game needs a in dungeon shop, like a black market high risk high reward

[lethal moon]

It's the most unhinged stuff but you're right LOL

[near vapor]

The game needed wider stat rolls for exciting loot. If the devs like the lower burst gameplay, then they'll just need to do something like remove flat added damage and give stats that have diminishing returns so players are incentivized to get a balance of stats rather than glass cannon (i.e. magic power/will instead of flat + magic dmg; and phys power/str instead of flat phys dmg)

[mental latch]

1.4 hrs

[bronze gorge]

doesn't need to be a purple with 3 perfect rolls. But if you find magic healing on a spell book, or PDR on a hounskull - those are good rolls on the right item = worth selling green

[knotty kernel]

They made alot of other changes to gear to normalize things, so it may not be as bad as it once was even with this revision. Additionally we never even got to see a geared meta form under this new system anyway, it is quite possible that it would have had similar or maybe even other issues with it as well.

[vivid pendant]

false, they said they don't want to baby the new players too much...

[pulsar pebble]

Sell to who? Timmy is in the dungeon fighting for his life to extract with a grey pair of gloves. Lol

[ebon gulch]

The previous patch adjusted range values of additionals and where those stats could be. They are refering to that change im like 95% sure of it lol

[lucid gyro]

They should just make the game goblin caves only at this point. Make the top loot tier green. Make a damage cap too. The goblin cave players will never be happy because they'll always be getting shit on by something because they suck. And devs will keep babying then

[high jewel]

I been sellin greens like wild. 1 att always sells. Magical healing with lock stuff. Some good sh*t out there.

[mental latch]

I'm sitting on 600 gold, and like 4 kits of decent green/blues for my cleric
And @pulsar pebble - its so easy to extract with like 100-150 gold of sellables at the goblin caves, then go to the merchants and buy a 100g kit to be semi-kitted and snowball from there

[hot talon]

“A million data points” - source tRuSt mE bRo

[austere plover]

so they bringing +3 alls back?

[twilit sail]

Say it ain't so bro

[bronze gorge]

ok i see your point haha. I guess I must be above the average then, because making a few hundred isn't too bad

[vivid pendant]

people still believe ranger is op?

[silver smelt]

ranger is mid without weap dmg stats

[knotty kernel]

We do not know yet, they could just be referring to bringing back +3 weapon damage as they changed a bunch of enchantment rolls with the patch.

[tranquil gate]

it's not trust me bro.. you can literally... LOOK.. at the data in the announcement channels from the early play tests... do you think they just stopped gathering data when they launched? so dense

[rich owl]

You are clearly not reading. But like i said let's wait for the daggers buffs and see how they do but for closing the subject i've seen rogues melt other classes (squishy classes) rat players just want to have no counter and have it easy. And this is post nerf. Those complaining about rogue nerf were just rat players mad that they can't kill everyone easily as they did.

[near vapor]

There should just be a matchmaking system so everyone has a reasonable chance to beat players in the lobby (based on data). It's when there's a big experience AND gear gap that it's just not fun at all

[graceful imp]

since fighter and cleric is more ranger is mid

[pulsar pebble]

*facepalm.

Your not the average timmy are you? Do you ride a short bus to the goblin caves? Then im not talking about you. Guy asked why no one is buying on the player market. I said because its onoy 24 hours into a wipe. MOST players are broke right now because most players suck at the game. Takes them time to make money to buy from other players.

[empty sigil]

Im shocked they didnt get touched in this, I honestly think they are bad for the game in its cuent state

[wheat zephyr]

hopefully

[umbral mantle]

They really just needed to balance certain item modifier ranges and not all. Add damages, and weapon damage increases, for example, could be changed to something like a .7 to 1.4 instead of 1 or 2. They also need to not be afraid of irrational numbers.

[glass coral]

Yep but trust me I've played a lot with randoms and groups from discord to realize they both play worse with gear on( cause gear fear) and are extremely greedy to where they just want to gain with minimum risk all the time so they want to do naked runs non stop

[azure maple]

I just got here, tell me about Ranger!

[vivid pendant]

as i believe from before, rangers are fine where they're at
even with this change in damage etc, people that were previously dying to rangers are STILL going to be dying to rangers

[lost gulch]

just an idea but maybe make the slowdown you get from taking damage stat-dependent or damage dependent or something. For example, if Will was the dependent stat, then Rogues caught out of position are dead since they get slowed down heavily from low Will and can't just run away for free. If you use damage to modify the slowdown, then small damage like shitty basekit gear wouldn't slow as much but if you take a blue falc to the face then you'd get slowed down pretty hard. Reduces infinite kiting and introduces risk to playing glass cannon since you can just run away and avoid damage.

[hot talon]

That’s why they nerfing and reverting! So good with data backtracking on their own work. Wow those “million data points” really working lil bro. You don’t shit.

[graceful imp]

facts.

[faint ingot]

Please for the love of all I hope +2 +3 all is not back in, such cancer to the gameplay and gearing

[mental latch]

Dude, my brother dies to NPC's most rounds and he has 250 gold and 2 backup green/blue kits
And @glass coral omg the gear fear is real. You panic and just run into spike traps when you get half HP

[tranquil gate]

they literally explained why they overnerfed... to create a baseline on which to build and buff. Can you not read?

[cinder berry]

Dumbest patch ever....hope these devs get their heads out of their asses

[viscid marsh]

Go read this want some opinions if you like it share with your firends https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/492801/mode-change-suggestions

[austere plover]

what are Jack-O-Lanterns

[vivid pendant]

damn smoke is getting smoked

[pulsar pebble]

[knotty kernel]

I'm sorry but you may just want to play chivalry or mordhau then if you want a balanced expeirence. Loot is the core aspect of this game, acquiring better and better gear and sets is the gameplay loop and the endgame of DaD. The chance and hope that we can get that God roll item with jacked stats, and the feeling we have when using and risking it is what we all play this game for.

[candid sable]

Streamers cry because they get rekt without their perfect 1 tap gear and IM reverts good oatch

[high jewel]

I read what you said but it isnt enough to confirm to me that with these changes rogues are gonna be OP. As a player who does NOT play rogue much. I dont have issuess with them anymore and im not convinced these changes will make them more OP. ts pretty normal to have people disagree with you. Maybe you didnt read either as I said...they have not reverted the weakpoint damage bonus...but the armor. So making assumptions that its going right back to where it was before is silly. But we will just see.

[past lava]

I think they were random drops that you could sell to a special merchant for items during one playtest.

[lost gulch]

yeah if you have half a brain and don't tunnel vision then you're practically untouchable as ranger until you run out of arrows lmao

[vivid pendant]

what is wrong with the devs not wanting to baby new players too much???

[hot talon]

You don’t nerf to the ground just to build up you build up what’s weak. You change the game completely with so many nerfs rather then bring up the one or 2 classes that are underperforming. They’ve gutted out a couple glasses,, haven’t touched others, half gutted others and went back on it. It’s joke of an attempt to balanced. “ COPE KID”

[outer fossil]

What the actual fuck is this update?!?!

[elfin vigil]

so does this mean they haven't fixed the bard song memory bug yet then?

[gray apex]

+3 is gonna be so bad

[past lava]

All it takes is one GOOD ranger to ruin a whole lobbies opinion. Wait until you guys run into a GOOD Wizard.

[knotty kernel]

Jack o Lantern is a merchant that will trade you legendaries and epics for candies that drop off mobs and chests in the dungeon. These candy merchants are really liked by the community and usually serve as the holiday events in game.

[tranquil gate]

You nerf to the ground to create a baseline. If you want to know the middle, you have to test overnerfed and over powered. That makes sense to everybody but you for some reason

[austere plover]

thats cool

[unreal acorn]

selling movement speed lanterns 800g ea dm me

[ebon gulch]

Arm chair dev lol, very common in the industry to nerf hard and raise up incrementally, seeeeeeethe

[foggy osprey]

shoutout to the community for teaching me the way, game is great so far. here we go level 15!

[surreal rapids]

I kinda wish IM would make a patch, and stick to it for a month at least. Constantly changing stuff once or twice a week affects the wipes significantly. Old gear stays and becomes OP, spoils plans of people farming certain things right off the bat or choosing what char to level. Just my take. I know it's EA but this seems like a lot.

[random crypt]

@zinc sparrow Will daggers be allowed to get +2 all attributes now, or will it only be axes and bows again per your strange fetishes?

[deft vector]

why are they already nerfing torches and lanterns? I was enjoying that change.

[rich owl]

They reverted ambush damage that made rogues damage scale higher than a falchion's (specially now with all the weapon nerfs), There''s no drawback for the rat to hide right in front of you and charge towards you like nothing. Rogues just want to have it easy and you clearly don't play melee classes (besides rogue) that much otherwise you would know what i'm saying.

[ivory cedar]

because running around with a sword and a lantern in the other hand to be faster looks goofy and makes no sense

[twilit sail]

Luckily cracked wizards and rangers are very rare.

[lost gulch]

"Now that we’ve had our run with the nerfhammer, we’ll start to work the dials and start working on some buffs one by one." read announcements lol thats exactly what they're doing. Devs dont magically know how to perfectly balance everything. They have an idea, and they let people play with the idea and tweak it from there. I don't like the rogue buff either but IM is trying their best.

[past lava]

Can I introduce you to my lord and savior Instacast-ChainLightning?

[wheat zephyr]

Like you said its early acess and more than that alot of the patch is bug fixes which we would rather them not hold on from doing
some changes to gear and what not i do think are a bit much day 2/3 of wipe but still

[half zephyr]

What is the jack o lantern

[knotty kernel]

Lanterns are getting a side buff, they will give no added movespeed but will give offhand stats so it may prove to be a buff to lanterns in the long run.

[snow rose]

its up boys

[dusty bramble]

HOLD THE LINEhttps://skribbl.io/?hYCaE0uD

[deft vector]

I prefer the movement speed

[unreal acorn]

selling movement speed lanterns 800g ea dm me

[tranquil gate]

you pretend like it's screwing 95% of the community but really you're just making that up because it makes you feel better about how often you die in the game...

[pseudo loom]

Can you people even read patch note

[vivid pendant]

please go help their playtest
https://steamcharts.com/app/2452310

[high jewel]

I play against rogues and have not had that much trouble. Guess we will see where it goes. I play barbarian, cleric, and fighter. Roflmao.

Edit: Im saying that ambush in conjunction with weakpoint is what was so broken...and half of that equation is not in the game. So they arent completely reverting to before..

[ebon gulch]

you can still get it with a MS roll on a lantern, now its not a broken on slayer fighter though

[knotty kernel]

Jack o Lantern is a merchant that will trade you legendaries and epics for candies that drop off mobs and chests in the dungeon. These candy merchants are really liked by the community and usually serve as the holiday events in game.

[lost gulch]

too bad all the alternatives look like cheap chinese knock offs

[tepid hazel]

man maybe let the changes sit for more than 48 hours haha, but ok, anyone know when this is done

[dusty bramble]

Hold the line https://skribbl.io/?hYCaE0uD

[pulsar pebble]

They dont just look like. They literally are. At least GiG is. Lol

[copper wave]

https://skribbl.io/?hYCn2WpW

[vivid pendant]

their playtest hasn't even broken 5k players

[tranquil gate]

no.. you don't. if you did fine against equally geared players then you'd snowball and be a lobster. EVERYONE STARTS WITH GREY GEAR AND AN EMPTY INVENTORY. explain to me why some do well and some, like you, complain about always losing.. HMMMMM

[unreal acorn]

selling movement speed lanterns 800g ea dm me

[ebon gulch]

go play the alternatives then, im sure they will appreciate your expert advice

[lofty lynx]

when this back up?

[knotty kernel]

well not only with a ms roll, you can get a jacked one with +2 weapon damage now +1 physical +1 true now for no movespeed cost. I say its a buff.

[tall pasture]

people saying you can run away and not take every fight have not incountered buffball barb meta. you cant run and you cant fight unless your running buffball barb as well

[lost gulch]

I also looked at Project Crawl and can conclude all DaD alternatives look like those chinese pubg knockoffs where everything is way over the top cosmetically yet still looks like shit somehow

[high jewel]

Dont worry most people in here are complaining about 1v1 balance mindlessly.

[vivid pendant]

depends on the distance really annoying as hell trying to run away lol

[slim ether]

You hold a doorway against them with a shield fighter plus ranged dps

[rich owl]

Post nerfs? No trouble, Pre nerf? All the issues. On a side note they should add a tracker for how many playtimes on a class you have so you can look up how much BIAS so many people have. And di you just mention cleric as a melee class?... Buddy i won't even bother.

[ebon gulch]

yeah +agil is technically better overall and for MS bonus as well, just was making the poin the MS lanterns will still exist with the new system, jsut not on every lantern lol

[past lava]

I have every class to 20 and if I had to rate my top 5 easiest classes to get to 20: #1 - Wizard. #2 - Barbarian. #3 - Ranger. #4 - Cleric. #5 - Rogue (Pre-Weakpoint Nerf).

[finite yew]

thoughts on damage numbers on players when you hit them?

[tepid hazel]

cleric feels prett damn easy to me

[pulsar pebble]

Crawl at least has a few unique ideas. But the actual gameplay is hella scuffed. Games at least a year + off from being worth a look. And thats assuming nexon doesnt dcma them into the dirt before then

[ivory cedar]

horrible

[lost gulch]

DaD looked like a real game with effort put into it even in the early playtests unlike all the alternatives that look like cheap mobile game versions from Tencent

[vivid pendant]

i just don't understand why they complain so much and won't go to another game....

[tranquil gate]

no.. you don't. if you did fine against equally geared players then you'd snowball and be a lobster. EVERYONE STARTS WITH GREY GEAR AND AN EMPTY INVENTORY. explain to me why some do well and some, like you, complain about always losing.. HMMMMM

[past lava]

I agree. Compared to, say, Warlock - Cleric is ultra-easy.

[open rampart]

That's all they know how to do

[ebon gulch]

go play greed is good its right up your alley

[empty sigil]

I wouldnt think Ranger so opressive if it wasnt able to push and damn near melee with bow. the bow should have a unequip time that is longer than normal weapon

[knotty kernel]

You are correct sometimes you have to take a fight, but knowing when you have to and when you can retreat or when you can escape for a more advantgous future position is the difference between a good or bad player.

[gaunt cloak]

fart

[finite yew]

i guess im like 50/50, i like the clarity of damage numbers but i also like the lowkey sense of muh realism it adds to the game. also unrelated but if anyone has a way of making the bug models into literally anything else i would kiss ur lips forever, i am deathly afraid of spiders

[azure maple]

Please No +3 ALL. For example, Kettle Hat with +2 knowledge was cool.. But if I get +3 all somewhere, should I give a shit about weakass kettle hats?

[tranquil gate]

no.. you don't. if you did fine against equally geared players then you'd snowball and be a lobster. EVERYONE STARTS WITH GREY GEAR AND AN EMPTY INVENTORY. explain to me why some do well and some, like you, complain about always losing.. HMMMMM

[vivid pendant]

showing numbers won't help your gameplay

[pulsar pebble]

Oooo good idea. Larger the bow, the more the pack away time. Could apply this to crossbows and other classes as well. This is a great idea.

[slow folio]

give me more damage next patch pelase

[tall pasture]

i just dont have any desire to play anymore. its at a point where you cant even play the game in HR unless your running buffball. this is the worst patch yet in terms of class diversity and balancing

[ivory cedar]

skill issue

[ebon gulch]

its a design decision, you really like pulling stories out your ass though lol

[high jewel]

You so desperately want to be confrontational and its weird. I just said I played those classes. I never made claims about what their roles are. Also you are purposely ignoring the point about weakpoint and ambush being combined pre nerf and weakpoint NOT having its damage bonus reverted in this hotfix...so its not the same as pre nerf. Chill out lol.

[gaunt cloak]

i think we need more armor on kettle hats

[hushed stag]

Please spam @mystic elm and have him unblock me
He's stupid asf

[odd gale]

nerf rogue

[vivid pendant]

please buff rangers, sometimes quickshot is used but no arrows/nodamage done, skill goes on cd 😦

[spare elbow]

[tranquil gate]

no.. you don't. if you did fine against equally geared players then you'd snowball and be a lobster. EVERYONE STARTS WITH GREY GEAR AND AN EMPTY INVENTORY. explain to me why some do well and some, like you, complain about always losing.. HMMMMM

[lost gulch]

If you kill someone with equal gear to you, you don't improve your own gear from that fight. If you are in all greys and you fight someone in all greys, its practically lose-lose unless the guy you killed had a shit ton of good trinkets. You have to get gold or kill someone with better gear in order to upgrade. Snowballing only really happens when both parties have really juiced kits since they're worth lots of gold.

[tepid hazel]

i will say the game feels real good right now

[marsh lark]

bring back occultist boots

[empty sigil]

It solves a lot of issues without losing the flavor of the class. If I rush a ranger and it misses 2 of 3 shots, I should be able to get ontop of him and apply some damage

[gaunt cloak]

pls buff clerics even more, they need BIG buff +3 all attributes gear only FOR CLERIC

[tranquil gate]

@floral canopy YOU LITERALLY DELETED YOUR CHAT AFTER NOT REPLYING.

Could it get any worse? I mean that's the admission right there.

[slow folio]

cleric is the class that heals

[pulsar pebble]

I dig it. Make them play positions more.

[past lava]

Unpopular Opinion: Fighter is the weakest class in the game. It's 15 Knowledge is wasted stats. When I'm on ANY other class I don't hesitate to steal a Fighters stuff because they're usually easy. Occasionally, I'll run into someone who knows how to block (1/20 encounters). And even as I play fighter people only ever hesitate after I land a Perfect Block. Although it's the most popular class - It's the weakest class. I will preface this by saying I love playing it, it's the first class I got to 20. But realistically - it's the weakest class.

[near vapor]

I think having damage indicators would be a nice feature to try, or at least allow for the option - there's a veil of mystery around damage numbers when you're hitting people

[vivid pendant]

??? but you identify items faster....

[gaunt cloak]

Nerf warlocks and remove all perks?

[tepid hazel]

maybe theyll revert back somewhere in the middle hoepfully, i play this game since it was first on steam early, and right now it feels real good, maybe rogues got nerfed just a bit too much but thats about it, and i dont play rogue never have really

[tall pasture]

wdym the balancing is worse then before. they buffed the things that were already op and didnt nerf anything that was op.

[marsh lark]

just delete warlockat that point

[slow folio]

delete all class and only cleric that heals

[hexed fossil]

patch the game for more uptime

[past lava]

LMFAO - Yes, that's precisely what I need the most when a Barbarian busts down a door and bum-rushes me. At least I identified all the items for him quickly!

[snow rose]

down and downer

[vivid pendant]

gg ty for your service

[empty sigil]

I like ide of high variabiity on the "sub-stats" , medium variability on the base stats, and no variability on +all

[gaunt cloak]

Next patch only cleric all, many heals, cleric is healer and big buff is coming

[ivory cedar]

occasionally you make sense

[slow folio]

My favorite class is the cleric. he can heal his entire team (!) and buff him with the spell. buff him please

[unreal acorn]

selling movement speed lanterns 800g ea dm me

[maiden shoal]

next patch give bard more memory?

[brisk lava]

Cleric was just massively buffed with early game pdr lul

[pulsar galleon]

next patch they give bard one testicle back after the neutering

[gaunt cloak]

More buff coming next patch, big buff on cleric, he is healing teams

[snow rose]

buff ranger,make triple shot ,shoot 7 arrows

[empty sigil]

LoL no, every ranger and warlock destroy you if you run around in plate

[lost gulch]

Make it a trade off. If you use a longbow, you're perfect for long range, but in close range you're boned. Make it so that damage falls off greatly if you're in a rangers face. If you were wearing thick enough clothes and barrel stuffed a bow and arrow, its pretty much just like getting poked really hard, and realistically, arrows cant do much until AFTER they left the bow, otherwise you just have a pointy stick supported by a tight string. You can also make it like Tarkov where things can interrupt your aim if they collide with your arms, so if you get rushed down you wouldn't be able to shoot.

[lunar axle]

Could somebody let me know what a jack o lantern does/is is this game?

[slow folio]

i like the idea, but let him shoot out 7 clerics so you can heal the team and buff it with spell. heal

[brisk lava]

Ranger destroys every class..warlock is magic so obv

[errant steeple]

Let me just say how relieved I am they changed Soulreaper to Soulscraper. It not only ruined the game, but all of my personal relationships and kept me up at night

[pulsar pebble]

I like that it could give the other bows a better existence in game.

[high jewel]

Iirc its a vendor that you can exchange items for gear at

[rich owl]

It's difficult to mantain a linear conversation with you. I asked you about playing melee classes and you throw in cleric. I'm not sure what you meant with im ignoring ambush and weakpoint combined pre-nerf, what does that even mean? And if you think weakpoint bonus damage was the only issue of rogue fastest TTK is worrisome at best. I'm chill but if you think expressing your thoughts calmly and respectfully is "not chill" then i will drop the argument since, and like i said before, it's very difficult to keep this convo.

[gaunt cloak]

Buff Ranger after cleric is buffed, or maybe give ranger big heals on team like cleric, healer ranger

[snow rose]

special merchant for hallowen

[tranquil gate]

Here's something to keep in mind...

You've been in this chat complaining for two hours. TWO HOURS. You've wasted two hours complaining instead of just disengaging and enjoying something else. You're literally punishing yourself

[empty sigil]

Not the damage, its the movespeed

[boreal island]

Kinda disappointed in the patch. What we should be getting is a nerf to eldritch shield (40->30), nerf to chain lightning going through terrain, small nerf on ranged weapons (bows/crossbows) instead it seems we are going back to broken all stats and added damage. Small dagger buff makes sense, ambush buff probably the wrong place to buff rogues.

[slow folio]

ranger healing arrow, or heal pil as i like to call it HEF

[slate swallow]

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME PATCHNOTE IS NOT A AI

[pulsar galleon]

there's no god here

[high jewel]

Is chill
Drops "argument"

We were arguing? Well ok. Yeah its difficul for me too. Take care man! 🙏☺️

[brisk lava]

Cleric isn't really a good solo class

[gaunt cloak]

I like cleric, if cleric gets movespeed fast with patch and can run after fast teams for healering

[snow rose]

every ranger shot should stagger the player for 7 sec

[pulsar pebble]

Oh good. The capslock shitter is back

[slow folio]

i agree. him have more heals movespeeding will be good for the metha. buff patching please

[tranquil gate]

literally the only toxicity is coming from you and the rest of the people who are legit being toxic. If you want to suggest something use the website and ask for votes... you don't just whine repeatedly.

[viscid marsh]

Go read this want some opinions https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/492801/mode-change-suggestions

[hot talon]

Haha devs in here trying to defend their game. This loser has been replying to comments for hours. You’re on the dev team and you’re trash

[lost gulch]

an interesting way to think about bows is like thinking about them as guns. Think longbow as a powerful bolt-action rifle, while the recurve is an automatic rifle, and survival is a fast firing SMG. You don't want to be using a bolt action rifle when the guy attacking you is close to you than the endpoint of the barrel

[pulsar pebble]

I was playing cleric like a paladin today in GC and it was okay. I smited some fools

Really needs some ranged options for ranger and locks though

[gaunt cloak]

I think metha is great but missing healings on cleric no movespeed and building in tanks, heal clerics

[rich owl]

You too, and also look up the definition of argumentation since it seems you need it the term is used when in debates not in confrontational terms. Also thanks for dropping it first since you have no clear replies to what i say.

[quiet condor]

Agree with you

[past lava]

Fighter should either have access to a few spells spells or their 15 KNOWLEDGE should to be reduced to 5 and the remaining points distributed between STR and AGI to make Fighter 20Str/20Agi/15Wis/5Kno. It's a popular class but it's the weakest class in the game.

[pseudo loom]

Ranger with a Halberd is the best melee

[stiff ember]

dwarf race when

[pulsar galleon]

after the catgirls

[ivory cedar]

fighter is not the weakest class in the game bro

[brisk lava]

I mean it's still strong in gc but some classes will just hard counter it

[knotty kernel]

I am very happy with the most recent patchnotes. I was blackpilled on the game, but these patchnotes and recent changes were good.

[slow folio]

healing me should win but i dont know if the clerik is on the team. how do i know if i can heals from him in the fight, when i dont know crelick is on the team or killing? perchance. buff healing and give goggles to clrekik

[pulsar pebble]

Id buy the red real life stones if they put dwarves in. Day 1 purchase lol

[lost gulch]

Knowledge affects opening portals and using shrines. Unless you want to spend 45 seconds opening a blue on final circle and dying to zone, then I think the balance stats are okay

[quiet condor]

Catgirls when?!?!?

[silk gust]

very true

[tranquil gate]

that's your opinion. I will not quit and i like this patch better

[snow rose]

rangers should have aimassist

[pseudo loom]

I also like the wizard with a crossbow it's very good

[past lava]

It is. By far. I have every class to 20 and I can assure you - It is the weakest class at every level of skill and in every dungeon.

[umbral mantle]

New fighter perk: Olympic runner, fighter gains 5 additional movement speed and slows only last half as long while he is holding a torch.

[high jewel]

Imagine having different opinions. Yall crazy.

[errant steeple]

If he’s an AI, you’re an npc

[vivid pendant]

actually, don't count that out, they are certainly open to additional races if they have that shit on UE marketplace
dwarves/halflings/ogres/troll LOL would be pretty interesting

[pulsar pebble]

And if the torch goes out the fighter dies instantly

[slate swallow]

I think wizard should be able to use their spells in crossbows : ie : wizard can shot icebolts with the croswbow and they would scale both with phys and magic damage. Also quick chant should help them reload faster

[hot talon]

You and @tranquil gate been replying to every comment with good criticism just hating I know y’all are devs that can’t take it and come here to try to defend your trash product

[tranquil gate]

if they quit because they keep getting stomped then it's because they are not good at the game

[ivory cedar]

you're in the minority with that opinion- whats the problem with fighter?

[unreal acorn]

selling movement speed lanterns 800g ea dm me

[pulsar dune]

bows need weapon sway, damage drop off over distance and damage reduction

[pseudo loom]

You can enchant the crossbow

[past lava]

The 15 wasted stats in Knowledge. Every other class has optomized stats except fighter.

[iron widget]

Ah damn, the random modifiers being reverted is kinda L, definitely gonna be rerolling characters as soon as they reach lvl 15

[uncut bobcat]

Greed is Good has a better rogue stealth system. Iron Mace take notes.

[gaunt cloak]

I have no cleric on team, play solo cleric is me, ! i can heal self for big, but after patch and buffed i give meny heals to team and perhach heals for all and movement speed is importen ! Healers for patch!

[high jewel]

Ive also seen players quit due to teaming in goblin caves

[silk gust]

Was torch and lantern speed actually turning out to be a problem? I liked it a lot but dont see any reason why it needed to be reverted

[tulip perch]

Cleric is the best fighter

[lost gulch]

whats their stealth system?

[errant steeple]

I sincerely can’t tell if this is a joke or not

[slow folio]

!heal

[teal basin]

What is the jack o lantern?

[hot talon]

These devs been in here for hours on Alts trying to defend this hot garbage it’s hilarious and pathetic. Because everyone else is agreeing besides the same 2 goofs that keep replying to me.

[slate swallow]

you sould be able to enchant your spells with invisble spell so people dont see them

[untold wasp]

it is a mushroom google it

[ebon gulch]

whats it like creating your own reality and living in delusion? Is it that hard to consider that other people might disagree with you? lol

[tranquil gate]

you act like the top 1% of players are in every lobby which is..
IMPOSSIBLE.

You are making that up to cope

[prime onyx]

What is the Jack o lantern mechanic lads ?

[vivid pendant]

everyone else is not agreeing with you, though
@prime onyx it's a merchant that you need to give candy to in order to buy good stuff

[tall pasture]

knowledge is also how quick you get your secondwind back. if you didnt have 15 knowledge you wouldnt be able to get a secondwind back from a campfire

[gaunt cloak]

NERF CLERIC, TO many heal! Heal all game and team full!

[unkempt charm]

Welcome to the internet lol

[pseudo loom]

Magic crossbow is a great idea, you should be able to lit your bolts on fire with torch and anything fire

[quiet condor]

Yep, I saw one of them yesterday, SAME words like they are responding with notes

[civic goblet]

As a rogue main I say to other rouge mains: REJOICE! Our tortured cries have been heard! Once again we may take our place among the brave souls who dare the depths! As a rogue main I say to all the other classes who mocked us through this ordeal: ALL YOU MOTHERFUCKERS ARE GONNA PAY. LOL

[slow folio]

hey jimstr im here to heal you im cleric. hello im clerick

[ebon gulch]

play wiz, ignite your cross bow its already in the game lol

[tulip perch]

I hate dying to a geared team, but when you kill said team

[near vapor]

You should be able to cast a sound barrier on your shoes so wizards don't make any walking sounds

[slate swallow]

I think rogues should start with 10 weapon dmg and each dagger attack steal +3 all attributes from other players

[hot talon]

Yeah it’s been exposed before. They all running to the rescue doing their best to convince that this game is going place hahah flop

[prime onyx]

How do you get candy ?

[gaunt cloak]

Trust me! If im cleric now, i will get buff on patch! miss strengts

[vivid pendant]

be on the lookout for that white van

[pulsar galleon]

hey it's me your brother

[pseudo loom]

Daggers are in a great position right now

[tranquil gate]

the stat advantage they earned.
Everybody starts with empty inventory
Everyone starts with default gear
Everyone starts with the same classes

The rest is skill

[errant steeple]

I’d rather have an RNG matchup with those teams then be forced to matchup against the same players every match in +15

[tall pasture]

bro gear is WORSE then before. now you have to be geared and run meta comp. your not killing a barbarian with 200 health and 50% pdr thats hasted and invis. its never been easier to scale strength and pdr on barbarian

[civic goblet]

you right

[lost gulch]

neat, i didn't know that. so if you get enough knowledge you can get second wind back from a grey campfire you place yourself?

[tulip perch]

from the back of the white van....

[slate pebble]

not really, streamers get donated +3all +3damage gear all the time

[past lava]

I'm sorry - I forgot to hit Reply to you. The issue with fighters, what makes them weakest, is their wasted stats in Knowledge. Every other class is optimized for their stat spread. But Fighter isn't. The 2nd "Big Melee" class has more than twice the strength. They are the most popular class - but again - I've got all classes to 20 and I promise you, from naked to juiced, fighters are the weakest class. A GOOD fighter can change anyone's opinion on that - but the skill required is excessive due to the 15Knowledge. Drop that stat to 5, distribute 5 to Str and Agi and the issue is fixed.

[knotty kernel]

Something liek that might be intersting, I don't think it is very thematic for the rogue class unless we are imaging them as a shadow warrior or something. But a skill that steals +3 all for like 10 seconds on next hit might be interesting.

[slate swallow]

hi guys my name is bob, I play 2 hours per day - get stomped by +3 all then I spend another 2 hours before bed complaining on discord about the game I just played 2 hours and then I say I will quit - then I repeat the next day I also like bulldogs they are very good with childs

[high jewel]

Ban streamers getting free handouts :DDDD

[gaunt cloak]

Buff cleric after nerf, give clerics heal, dont REMOVE heal, absurd is it of sertain? Will we get buff soon and i the healer!

[slow folio]

ok so hear me out. super mario would be an insane class. he could jump on the cleric (OOPS) and oneshot him like one of the gloombas. or maybe a green or red turt, and throw the shell on the clercklick on the other team. cya turts

[pulsar pebble]

Streamers make up like .005% of the playerbase though.

[runic fog]

So, with these changes, are the STATIC mods getting reverted????

For example, Heavy Leather Leggings giving 3 Strength GUARNTEED will no longer be the case?

[vivid pendant]

but fighters are described as best all-around stat wise i guess

[hot talon]

SISSY DEVS IN HERE ON ALT ACCOUNTS TRYING TO DEFEND GARBAGE PATCHES THEY BEEN DOING BUMS

[pseudo loom]

Sometimes it itch

[fierce moss]

oh god rouges got buffed i quit

[scarlet umbra]

this except ill unironically quit cuz ive been waiting for the wipe to get rid of +3 all garbage

[spark pilot]

@tranquil gate nope, a lot of the player base doesn’t get to play 10 hours a day, we have jobs and by the time we get in game we’re up against people that maxed their gear in a day.

[tulip perch]

RNG*

[sterile trout]

calm the voices bro, don't listen to them

[tranquil gate]

even if there were 150 D&D streamers, that would be .08% of the player base.

[marsh lark]

i too would like to know

[knotty kernel]

This patch was good though, I and most of the other doomposters agree.

[past lava]

Yes, the "jack of all trades" - But they're literally NOT that because they can't cast spells. Either give them access to a few spells or redistribute their stats to appropriately reflect their role (no need for Knowledge).

[slate swallow]

hey brother, I know reading is not always a given gift but they are saying that they are going back before EA Patch #1 which is between the patch +3 was removed and EA 1 added 🙂

[slow folio]

i am here to spread the word about super mario

[gaunt cloak]

Got a glimpse of nerfs soon, but cleric only the buff! Big heals coming this way! stay eyes open for!

[prime onyx]

Does that mean that the +3 all attributes might be back ?

[vivid pendant]

that's the best you can do after getting smoked?

[ebon gulch]

Fighters are gear dependant, it even states it as a fault in the create a char screen. They have an even spread on stats to help them get the most out of their ability to be a master of arms. without that knowledge, you would open up portals and interact with shrines slower, you wouldnt get second wind back from a white campfire either.

[hot talon]

SISSY DEVS IN HERE ON ALT ACCOUNTS TRYING TO DEFEND GARBAGE PATCHES THEY BEEN DOING BUMS WHO KNOW NOTHING! Reply back devs on Alts so I can laugh you’re all pathetic

[pseudo loom]

fighter with spells OMEGALUL

[errant steeple]

I’ve noticed many people have zero understanding on how stats work in this game. There should be a competency test to allow posting on builds

[scarlet umbra]

they specifically mentioned stat rolls on +all attributes so what are they referring to then?

[copper wave]

@glad thunder bring back +3 all!!

[deft hollow]

Everytime i get off from work this game is down for Maintenance....whats the even point in trying anymore

[runic fog]

Also, they said they are reverting it back to the previous patch (In terms of Random Modifiers) Does that mean +3 and +2 all on ALL gear pieces? OR just have to how it was last hotfix patch?

[pulsar pebble]

I think those are called paladins

[civic goblet]

YOUR ALL GONNA GET IT NOW. You thought it was bad before? The ones who stayed rogue mains were shaped by this period of horrible nerfs. Molded by it. We have become stronger for it. Now that we have been restored to equal footing , YOU WILL ALL PAY.....

[modest canyon]

In actual dnd fighters can use spells, my guy

[high jewel]

Put down the bong and remove the tinfoil hat. I repeat....put down the bong...and remove the tinfoil hat.

[tranquil gate]

I have a job and by the time I get to play, only 1 out of every 3 lobbies has a geared team and I am not stupid enough to engage with them. It's incredibly easy to avoid. People pretend that there's sweats in every single lobby and at the same time pretend that most players are not able to be sweats. DOESNT MAKE SENSE

[past lava]

That is my point. What "most" are they getting out of Knowledge? NOTHING. It's a wasted stat distribution. No other class has that handicap. No other class has an excessively high stat that is literally worthless to them.

[ivory cedar]

no need to appologise! i understand and have thought the same at times. i find it the easiest class to consistently survive with- if youre wearing heavy gear and plate i find it much harder- try investing into move speed instead- worked for me

[marsh lark]

giving fighters spells is the dumbest thing ive heard today

[slate swallow]

If I would be in a fantasy world you would be my paladin xoxo

[sterile trout]

Im impressed by your creative mind on that one. you should put that to a better use.

[analog vigil]

rogues aren't back on equal footing imo... overall its still a nerf compared to prepatch

[gaunt cloak]

Give all +3 all give it all but only for the cleric bicus cleric never buff only nerfd, big buff next patch and we will be!

[vivid pendant]

try equipping the magic staff, you can cast shitty attack
but no other class has the perk to equip all weapons i guess

[unkempt charm]

The undead essence be some crazy kush.

[ebon gulch]

they changed value ranges for rolled stats and what gear those stats could be placed. thats what the are reverting

[pseudo loom]

No you can't these are paladins

[tall pasture]

yup, also effects how fast your get spells back from clarities and resting/meditate. each knowledge is like +3 spell points per tick. the cost of a spell determines how much spell points you need to get one back. for instance a 3 spell capacity spell takes 300 spell points to get back and 5 spell capacity takes 500 spell points to get back

[pulsar pebble]

Dark and darker isnt going to cover super niche fighter sub classes guy. Lol

[glossy verge]

Some real nice changes here. Can't wait

[slow folio]

its as my brother used to say, dont sell the skin before the bear is shot. and dont walk into the living room before you have taken the hat off. hersay. take all the classes out in the lining room and take off the hats. you will be left with the skins of the bears you did not shot, and bring in super mario class to jump on the turts' and slay the clericks helsers

[civic goblet]

yes , but we now have the tools to cause much pain and suffering. THEY WILL ALL PAY

[hot talon]

SISSY DEVS IN HERE ON ALT ACCOUNTS TRYING TO DEFEND GARBAGE PATCHES THEY BEEN DOING BUMS WHO KNOW NOTHING! Reply back devs on Alts so I can laugh you’re all pathetic

[errant steeple]

Wait until you graduate to +15 and it’s been more than a day and a half after wipe…

[scarlet umbra]

value ranges directly refers to what the actual + stats are though thats what it means

[slate swallow]

I think rangers should be able to enchant their arrows with bubbles so that when they shoot someone they go in a bubble and cant move

[ivory cedar]

zzzzzzzz

[snow rose]

u know what would be a nice patch?if a patch took max 30 min and not 2 hours

[slate swift]

cry some more

[ebon gulch]

read my whole comment, they get the ability to recover their second wind and interacting with magical things (portals) faster. Not to mention i they add scrolls to the game then they would benifit from the casting speed

[vivid pendant]

highly exaggerated experiences here

[unkempt charm]

and then the bubble explodes

[sterile trout]

u know the definition of insanity?

[gaunt cloak]

i slipped and hit my face on the patch! big patch for cleric?

[civic goblet]

ROGUE MAINS REJOICE! OUR TORTURED CRIES HAVE BEEN HEARD!

[tranquil gate]

If you screenshot me 5 people that killed you with +15 i'll eat my shorts.

You're making things up just because you saw 2 streamers do it. there's 30k players.

[slow folio]

oh snap, did you say clerhick? he is here to BLUFF

[slate swallow]

bro you keep repeating the same thing and complaing yet in your "about me" you say im probably better than you kekw

[slate swift]

i demand a werewolf class

[lost gulch]

what does this even mean

[vivid pendant]

i think he means level 15+

[hot talon]

SISSY DEVS IN HERE ON ALT ACCOUNTS TRYING TO DEFEND GARBAGE PATCHES THEY BEEN DOING BUMS WHO KNOW NOTHING! Reply back devs on Alts so I can laugh you’re all pathetic

[tulip perch]

soon

[gaunt cloak]

In time there will be, book! Clerk is gloomed! GET buffing

[pulsar galleon]

why is my fursona OC not a playable race

[sterile trout]

ur so afraid lmao

[slow folio]

cleric is the best class you can pick, he can heal

[unkempt charm]

I bet you made up arguements in your head to win against your school bullies.

[umbral mantle]

I've heard rumors that "Damage for all daggers has been slightly increased" means that daggers' damage will be higher than it has ever been in dark and darker.

[snow rose]

why u give attention to a woke member?

[pseudo loom]

this game is turning into world of warcraft

[errant steeple]

I play gc +15 half of the players were blue/purp earlier today and it’s not been 2 full days since wipe

[tranquil gate]

100% he does.

[slate swallow]

I think the next class skin should be an anime girl with big tiddies

[primal glacier]

[civic goblet]

ROGUE MAINS REJOICE! OUR TORTURED CRIES HAVE BEEN HEARD! THEY WILL ALL PAY

[ebon gulch]

they mentions EA patch 1 specifically, thats what they changed in that patch, not the removal of +3 all

[gaunt cloak]

If we get back the cleric and they remove clerk in patch, now is heal! stop trastalk

[scarlet umbra]

sounds like cope but whatever we'll wait and see

[slate swift]

elaborate

[vivid pendant]

he means the level 15+ lobbies lol

[slow folio]

you can actually go invisable with any class, you just need one of them darn' pots!

[unkempt charm]

Welfare epics when?

[tulip perch]

druid

[twilit sail]

can someone message a mod if +3 is back, the wording is confusing

[errant steeple]

That’s exactly my point..why are you confused??

[pseudo loom]

I miss combat arms

[tall pasture]

tell me how you avoid the hasted invis barb the wants you dead for a +1 kill on leaderboards. you legit cant avoid people in this game unless they dont care to kill you or circle pulls to you and you have a lucky portal spawn

[hot talon]

SISSY DEVS IN HERE ON ALT ACCOUNTS TRYING TO DEFEND GARBAGE PATCHES THEY BEEN DOING BUMS WHO KNOW NOTHING! Reply back devs on Alts so I can laugh you’re all pathetic

[primal glacier]

I’ve been playing nothing but the stick build with cleric my name in game is stickonly

[past lava]

I know what fighters have. I've tested everything. I have all classes to 20. To break it down: 15 Knowledge is a complete waste. Absolutely useless. Shield Slam is less than useless. Breakthrough is only good vs. Rangers Traps which can easily be jumped over, especially with Sprint. Taunt is almost useless, even in a group (there are specific circumstances to equip it but rare), Victory Strike would be better if Damage/Health was displayed to know when to use it. 2nd Wind is ABSOLUTELY essential. I personally prefer Perfect Block/2nd Wind. All that said - Fighter is the weakest class and if you level up Barbarian after getting good at Fighter, you'll understand.

[ebon gulch]

naw its jsut dissecting their dev notes in the attempt to understand lol. Making assumptions is dangerous thinking

[slate swallow]

ok lets say they add +3 back (which will not happen) and it will be available in the merchant so how can you not buy it and streamers can?

[lost gulch]

yeah that was kind of busted. I like the idea of a guaranteed every possible item in only greys and whites, and some greens and thats it. no more waiting 7 years for that 10g longsword

[dusty bramble]

We hold not because it is easy but because it is hard https://skribbl.io/?hYCaE0uD

[gaunt cloak]

ont start healing it ont heal range and rooge , if clerk remove oinly berd heal in rest

[waxen quest]

If +3 and +2 to all atts are so good, why does everyone hate them?

[slate swift]

GIVE ME DRUID, OR GIVE ME DEATH!

[scarlet umbra]

we'll see bud you strike me as the "im actually very smart" guy and let me tell u they usually arent

[tranquil gate]

you don't get near them?

[slow folio]

warlock is a class in Dark and Darker

[round niche]

yooo the skribbl game crashed wtf

[pseudo loom]

who the F wanted fire hydra

[past lava]

. . . Because they're so good. . .

[static sparrow]

Or Eldritch knights, or Psi warriors, or Echo Knights, or Rune Knights, or Arcane Archers,

[pulsar galleon]

warlock hydra should have big tiddies

[low talon]

Sooo..... Rogues are back to being bullshit?

[lost gulch]

Easy access to blues and purps = sweatlords getting super juiced super early and seal clubbing every lobby without even looting

[tall pasture]

how do you "not get near them" if circle is pulling to them or you just happen to get heard by them while your looting or killing pve/pvp?

[gaunt cloak]

Warlock can heal? only clerk heal and remove warlock if not heal team and only heal teamd up if cleric teamheals?

[errant steeple]

Then who cares? This is a different argument. Lobbies shouldn’t be split. Nite her are fun now

[unreal acorn]

selling movement speed lanterns 900g each

[rich abyss]

WOO! SERVERS UP!!!! :DDD idk why they didnt list in announcements yet

[unkempt charm]

When discord truly shatters your psych and you succumb to the terminally online brainrot

[slow folio]

yes warlock can hil if he have hat on, he spawn with no hat

[vivid pendant]

[hot talon]

SISSY DEVS IN HERE ON ALT ACCOUNTS TRYING TO DEFEND GARBAGE PATCHES THEY BEEN DOING BUMS WHO KNOW NOTHING! Reply back devs on Alts so I can laugh you’re all pathetic

[signal osprey]

right?? all the rogues complained loud enough it seems. i played rogue during the nerfs it was absolutely fine imo now people are just gonna nonstop play rogue again

[past lava]

You internet well, friend.

[ebon gulch]

Fighter needs work yes, im not saying that Know is a good stat on fighter, im explaining what that +15 does for you, which you claimed was nothing lol

@scarlet umbra i mean im just breaking down the Korean native speakers english comment, its nto the clearest yes but the fact that they specified "Early acces patch #1" means its a change from that patch specifically. Dont think its the big of a jump but if you wanna ride the hate train be my guest

[tranquil gate]

extract early, find a different portal. Geared pvp focused players wait at the middle. If you are afraid of them and STILL WAIT to use the last portals, it's your own fault

[gaunt cloak]

WELL! Warlock hat is big for buffs! If not no clerik even gets play!

[lost gulch]

no one is laughing bro just talk about the game like a normal person

[sterile plover]

I really want to play the game but I can't buy it. Could someone buy the game for me or lend it?
In Brazil it's very expensive and I can't buy the game

[stiff quarry]

anyone knows if servers are up?

[unreal acorn]

selling movement speed lanterns 900g each

[static sparrow]

Theyre down for at minimum another 30 minutes

[rich abyss]

Cry***** about the game? :DDD

[pulsar pebble]

30 mins if we are lucky. Probably an hour though

[pseudo loom]

I'm not going to work tomorrow i'm so hype for this hot fix

[slow folio]

well then, lets find this cleric buff! should be around here somewhere!

[snow rose]

ranger should be hitscan prove me wrong

[toxic parcel]

They really should just double the health of all classes so that ttk isn't as shitty but you can still do fun balancing

[unkempt charm]

If the last patch was any hint. See yall tomorrow lol

[untold wasp]

when do we get 4 stats on rubysilver it is not worth mining anymore

[round niche]

https://skribbl.io/?TfCRo9Dd

[past lava]

15 Knowledge does nothing beneficial. If they changed it to 5 from 15 and told no one and didn't reflect it in the character screen and everyone thought it was still 15 but it was seceretly 5 - no one would notice.

[bleak plover]

Hopefully they learned something from the lastest patch.

[subtle heart]

ayo why barb getting a buff? first class ive seen with a combo passive(50 magic resist AND knockback resist) every other class that would be its own perk, i haven't seen one person say barb felt weak either... if anything i've only heard the opposite, even playing barb it felt a bit too strong, one francisca with achilles and a swing with the starting axe killed 90% of people... iunno just seems weird they get a combo passive now too

[low talon]

I cant believe the developpers succumb to the shitters pathetic cries all the time with these patches. This game will never be substainable

[gaunt cloak]

if rangr really hits and scans! remov heal? WHAT absurd of sertainities

[slate swallow]

I would love to give +3 all on every gear piece to the ragers here and make them fight a team with actual brains and I wonder who would win but then they would blame the ping

[tall pasture]

your solution is relying on luck to avoid them. you dont always get and early portal and you dont always get to know their position before they know yours. they always are able to kill you and its highly unlikely you get 3 portals unless you make it to the final rings

[unreal acorn]

selling movement speed lanterns 900g each

[tranquil gate]

i feel bad for you

[pulsar pebble]

Dont do this to me

[sterile trout]

just let him curl up into his sad little ball of fear and cry about it alone

[ebon gulch]

i would notice the second i went to open a portal. Play barb and try opening a portal or interacting with a shrine and then get back to me on how usless knowledge is as a stat

[lost gulch]

hope you like staring at your fighter fiddle with the blue portal for 45 seconds while you die to zone

[errant steeple]

You’re really big on fake realities huh?? Everyone lives in a fake reality but you. Seems sus

[unkempt charm]

I'll do it again

[slow folio]

I think they should add an AWP for the cleric and a hanso ult so he can heal team and destroy enemy turret, he scales too late in the game. knight to E4

[pseudo loom]

Smoke bomb should be added

[round niche]

https://skribbl.io/?TfCRo9Dd

[past lava]

No, you wouldn't. A fighter doesn't open a portal significantly faster than a Barbarian.

[snow rose]

give rangers an Ak47

[slate swallow]

I think deathball comp should be buffed - when you get enough move speed barb should be able to start rolling like rammus and spam warmaul in a circle at the same time

[tranquil gate]

relying on luck? the maps don't pin you anywhere. You're not ALWAYS going to win. You're not always going to be able to run away. Playing smart and with skill means not getting into battles you can't win, and figuring out how to extract.

[gaunt cloak]

If cleric get bow, big buff! and bow cant heal, book heal! big patch comes wait for !

[unreal acorn]

selling movement speed lanterns 900g each

[lost gulch]

bro its been so long i dont even remember what you're malding about just go to sleep

[ebon gulch]

least crazy take in this chat

[slow folio]

give rangers, ehm, a blue shell, that kills the player with the most gear instantly and bans him from game. unless its a cleric, then he auto wins the game

[stone torrent]

"Finally, we want to motivate players to still obtain these loots from inside the dungeons and have made the SubBosses and special chests as special POIs that will always drop guaranteed higher quality loot"

That only like 5% or less of the playerbase interacts with. Everyone else is just farming treasures, selling them, and buying their gear of trade chat. If you want to motivate players to obtain loot from inside the dungeon, MAKE THEM GET IT FROM THE FUCKING DUNGEON."

[pulsar pebble]

Patch done!

[snow rose]

petiton for rangers to have an AK47

[past lava]

Tell that to literally every barbarian that escapes without any issue despite 6 Knowledge. 15 Knowledge on a fighter is like Tiddies on a Bull.

[sterile plover]

I really want to play the game but I can't buy it. Could someone buy the game for me or lend it?
In Brazil it's very expensive and I can't buy the game

[gaunt cloak]

HEY! IF stopping cleric wont have bows? Why is bow even thing? ranger removbe and gun in if fast big buff patche

[ebon gulch]

ok, feel free to think that, it changes nothing

[slow folio]

hello desh. i want ak47 for ranger, if cleric can have him too. then it is buff, and cleric can actually heal with the spellbook and ak!

[iron canopy]

subbosses aren't hard, it's stuff like the worm and golem on ruins, and are you telling me you don't loot the special chests?

[unreal acorn]

selling movement speed lanterns 900g each

[pulsar pebble]

To the dungeon gamers! Touch crypt grass with me

[warm locust]

I think we should give barbarians big mushrooms that make them bigger. But they should also have a chance of eating the mushroom and growing smaller. All these effects should be reverted when the barb gets hit.

[errant steeple]

Im not convinced he really believes that. Seems more like a kid lashing out. Who knows tho there are def a few crazies in here

[stiff quarry]

Hey guys... i just wanna say, i love you all and today has been a great day. Dark and Darker got the best least toxic community on the planet. The level of comradery in this chat is staggering! Blessed to be able to play with you homies!

[past lava]

I'll implore you to level up a Barbarian. If you're even OKAY at fighter, you'll have Barbarian to 20, with 200 Player Kills, before midnight tonight.

[slate swallow]

lets go patch is back time to roll on some noobs with my deathball comp

[lost gulch]

oh yeah you would. I mained fighter before warlock additions and tried barb and the portal opening speed difference is sooooo drastic i felt like my hair was turning gray by the time i got out

also barbs escape cause they can kill things and buy time to open portals lul use your brain pls

[slow folio]

fun fact: OMG translates to oh my god in english

[ebon gulch]

❤️ LOSER❤️

[tranquil gate]

he said it 100 times. if you don't believe what he is literally saying that's you giving way more credit because it helps you make a point. if you need help making a point, it's because the point isn't good enough to stand on its own

[sturdy plover]

Its less about removing trading and more about giving the opportunity to find good gear just naturally. certaints playtests it was quite consistent to find good gear from subbosses and stuff, felt like they amped the randomness and now its fine.

[gaunt cloak]

Give snipes? The heal are big but pretend, cleric healing all people around with spells and all stops movement and cleric only the move

[past lava]

Barbarians kill things. But FIGHTERS run away? Is that your "big brain" take? FIGHTERS! "FIGHT" is in the NAME! Ha ha. Use your brain, indeed!

[vestal falcon]

Love you to man great seeing this chat come together

[tulip perch]

+2/+3 all

[subtle heart]

adding on to my take on the barb buff... the lantern/torch nerf is mostly because of barbs with horsemans axe & lantern hitting max move speed after a couple buffs from a teammates or whatever... why we taking away the extra move speed from everyone, and then making it even harder to slow down a barb now? I'm willing to be convinced if there's a good reason for it, just seems a bit backwards idk

[drifting egret]

I just feel like I'm playing DnD wrong because everyone is so geared and even when I go in with geared things I stand no chance.

[vivid pendant]

are you going to help Greed is good with their playtest?? they need help pushing to the 5k player mark
BTW patch is done

[slow folio]

cleric only the move? how you doing it?

[stiff quarry]

Heys boys, whats the secret to killing a barb on a rogue? Is that even possible?

[ebon gulch]

still a nice QOL being able to use shrines and open portals faster

[rough pelican]

how much longer till we can play again?

[subtle heart]

I liked the lantern adding move speed, I'm sad its gone, even if its getting random stats now.

[thorn hornet]

absolutely, just back up when he swings and stab him twice before he can swing again

[warm rune]

Rip weapon damage is back

[simple echo]

man i think

[pulsar pebble]

read announcements bro. its been up for like 4 minutes now lol

[past lava]

As opposed to losing your life to literally any other class equally geared and skilled? Ha ha. That's the opposite of "Quality of LIFE."

[gaunt cloak]

NOW I TELL! IF only the move? YES! it is movesped and only clerk has! if no range and close!!? will the heal be sertainit

[uneven ermine]

im only seeing +1 all still on all the rolls in merchant

[tranquil gate]

you see, @errant steeple

[vivid pendant]

sdf — Today at 10:01 PM
@everyone, The patch process is complete. See you in the dungeon!

[ebon gulch]

The moons made out of cheese man and if you disagree your literally a dev lol

[slow folio]

i think
Flavalicious — i dag kl. 04:05
read announcements bro. its been up for like 4 minutes now lol
JaySavvy — i dag kl. 04:05
As opposed to losing your life to literally any other class equally geared and skilled? Ha ha. That's the opposite of "Quality of LIFE."
Hcbjorn — i dag kl. 04:05
NOW I TELL! IF only the move? YES! it is movesped and only clerk has! if no range and close!!? will the heal be sertainit
SubZ313 — i dag kl. 04:05
im only seeing +1 all still on all the rolls in merchant
raechill — i dag kl. 04:05
you see, @Flawsome
Keslor — i dag kl. 04:05
sdf — Today at 10:01 PM
@everyone, The patch process is complete. See you in the dungeon!
Paisley — i dag kl. 04:05
The moons made out of cheese man and if you disagree your literally a dev lol

[lost gulch]

when did i ever say fighters run away? Players escape by securing an area and opening a portal. Thats just how it works. Barb can clear and have time to open portals just like every other class. You just have to be more careful since you're vulnerable for an additional 10 seconds lol

[silk gust]

wait did they really -10 speed from occultist boots...

[stone torrent]

Oh i have no problem with the subbosses or the chests. I just noticed they said they want to motivate players to find stuff in the dungeon. They literally just said it. Which i thought was funny because most players gear isn't self found, unless you count pvp as self found. Most gear is found for 200g in a chat window.

[errant steeple]

I’m not really trying to make a point on this one. It’s open to interpretation. I just feel like he’s crazy either way so doesn’t really matter

[agile elm]

devs want loot in dungeon but all loot is behind lockpicks :)

[tranquil gate]

of COURSE he's crazy. guy literally broke after someone disagreed with him and now everyone that does it is a dev alt account

[past lava]

And I quote: "also barbs escape cause they can kill things and buy time to open portals lul use your brain pls" - So what do fighters do, exactly? NOT Kill things? Run away and escape as fast as they can? You're literally saying: Barbarians can kill things so they don't need time. Fighters, however, need that time to open portals. If that's NOT what you're saying, please explain the purpose of suggesting that "Barbarians kill things" - as if Fighters don't or shouldn't also kill things?

[fervent pelican]

Can confirm +2 all is back

[ebon gulch]

Im sorry i cant hear you over the easily accessible 50% PDR gear lol

FIghter needs work, especially in the perk and skill department, but dont take the all trades out of the jack

[lost gulch]

I killed the worm on ruins and got a white ceremonial dagger and thats it. I'm glad they buffed sub boss and special chest loot. It was such a gamble risking a long and possibly very dangerous fight for some white sellables and a shitty flanged mace

[winged moth]

why did they do this...

[pulsar pebble]

im looking ata +3 weapon damage pair of pants right now. lol

[tranquil gate]

because finding one is rewarding

[vivid pendant]

that is absolutely false

[full bone]

Are the lobbys still split at level 15 ?

[past lava]

All the trades aren't in Jack to begin with. That's the point. A Jack of All Trades... That can't do half the trades. Ha ha.

[keen willow]

well goodbuy to surviving one hit from a longbow back to getting oneshot as anyone not plate mail ggs

[warm rune]

Rip balance

[still mural]

game is dead again with +3 all gear being back to broken

[subtle heart]

If its not trolling, yeah, they had a great patch then fucked it 2 days after lol

[winged moth]

literally

[knotty kernel]

Looks like their is some bug with Jack o Lantern. He only sells epics no Legendaries, but he sells half the items for triple the price, as though he thinks its a legendary he is selling.

[cyan latch]

did they remove gold pile from boss?

[pulsar pebble]

bruh. whyyyy. @slate swallow looks like we can read but you cant bro. Im looking at +3 weapon damage and a screenshot on +2 all. I guess it sucks to suck. Loser.

[lost gulch]

you're going insane bro lmao your way of thinking is so weird its like someone saying that they like waffles so you think that they hate pancakes. Knowledge decreases the time it takes to open portals, so classes with higher knowledge can risk opening portals in dangerous areas. Barbs take so long that they HAVE to completely secure their surroundings unless they want 17 mobs and a squad of rangers slamming them while they take 40 seconds to open a portal.

[errant steeple]

Yep 🤪

[ebon gulch]

Jack of all trades is half the statement, the other half is master of none. Wait until more systems like scrolls are in the game and then people will be praising that 15 knowledge when they are chucking fireballs lol

[subtle heart]

Hopefully they pull their heads out of their asses and revert +3 all +3 weapon damage shit, The game was actually getting really fun after the last balance patch

[tranquil gate]

it's good to remember when everyone says devs listen to streamers that streamers didn't want this... the horde of crybabies did. now that they got it did they stop crying? no

[pulsar pebble]

damnit. +3 weapon damage pants and my weaponsmith has a green longsword with +2 all. This is baffling bro. whyyyyyy

[slate swallow]

go play something else maybe

[lost gulch]

finally someone who knows the full phrase! been trying to tell all these people that fighter is supposed to be a sort of all-class

[past lava]

Ha ha - You're getting angry and I know why. It's because I'm right and you don't want to admit it. Literally NO ONE is buffing Knowledge on their fighter. Literally EVERYONE is buffing AGI and STR. You're arguing for a useless stat. I just don't get it. You take a screenshot of your fighter in Knowledge gear and I'll accept that "opening portals faster" is relevant. Especially when, if you're playing beyond normal goblin caves, you have a party member that's probably faster than you anyways.

[agile elm]

where are marvelous chests? HR only?

[pulsar galleon]

they fucking KILLED the woodsman. I can't believe they've done this

[cyan latch]

did they remove gold pile from boss?

[pulsar pebble]

Yea about the response id expect from a manchild. if your going to run your big mouth at least be a man about it when your wrong.

[vestal falcon]

Can we get the white campfires back please

[slate swallow]

queue so i can take ur gold and buy +3

[scarlet umbra]

@ebon gulch totally didnt alter the +all attributes did they

[subtle heart]

+3 all stat +3 weapon damage lantern moment

[knotty kernel]

+3 all is back baby

[digital fulcrum]

ugh... what was the point of wiping

[winter pecan]

why the fuck

[high jewel]

You are all wrong and I am right.

[ebon gulch]

were not arguing that its a good stat on fighter, were stating that its not useless in specific situations. What would you rather those 15 points be in? where would you allocate them without making the figther a mini barb/rogue? Its one thing to recognize a "problem" its another to create a solutions

[finite yew]

guys just play until next update, they literally said theyre testing gear shit like my god man, just play

[lost gulch]

yeah no one is buffing knowledge on fighter since its already good enough lmao. Small differences you get from gear wont matter too much but decreasing 15 to 5 is kind of huge. If you're playing with teammates, everyones obviously going to have the wizard (or whoever has the highest knowledge) open portals since you know, its faster lol

also, stop projecting bro you're malding over the fact that fighters cant out DPS every other class and ignoring all the small nuances that construct the entire gameplay loop

[vivid pendant]

holy rubberband

[lofty arch]

What's the chase range? is it like a move speed bonus when you're within close distance of an enemy?

[graceful imp]

how we get candy for daddy ?

[ebon gulch]

i stand corrected lol, Korean to english muddies the waters for sure, lets see if the devs see something that the complainers dont

[cyan latch]

did they remove gold pile from boss?

[unkempt charm]

Mans really made an alt account. PLEEEEASE Go outside

[severe cargo]

Revert these changes wtf??

[vivid pendant]

do in dungeons

[dusty lake]

Still getting the no loot on extraction bug, any update on this?

[scarlet umbra]

+2 all again is such a absolute fking pepega 0 iq dev moment i have to uninstall out of principle cya

[river marten]

WHO IS SELLING CENTAUR HORN

[ebon gulch]

👋

[lofty ruin]

THEY TAKE OUT THE WOODSMAN??? WTF?? !! HAHAHAA

[sterile plover]

I really want to play the game but I can't buy it. Could someone buy the game for me or lend it?
In Brazil it's very expensive and I can't buy the game

[severe dust]

Best starting class..... GO

[dense chasm]

no they didnt

[boreal island]

+4 added damage in the game, this is really bad. I'll wait for next season

[past lava]

The class is called FIGHTER. It should at least be capable of keeping up in the category. It's not named "Jack of all trades except spells and music and healing and buffing party members." It literally ONLY fights. That is it's ONLY utility. The ONLY stats people care about on FIGHTER are the FIGHTING stats. Again - when and if scrolls are released - that might make the KNOWLEDGE stat worth something on Fighter. But even the description of the class says it can't use any magic. And, as I've already said - No one buffs knowlege to "open portals." That's a weak excuse for why the class has 5-10 points in a stat that is, in MOST circumstances, and OVERALL - the MOST worthless stat for a class in the game.

[worldly cloak]

where do you get the candy corns for jack o lanters?

[knotty kernel]

Why everyone hate +3 all?, what is actually the problem it is a rare roll, that is so expensive it is essentially reserved for the highest lvl play.

[pulsar galleon]

they murdered our boi

[quartz moth]

so is candy corn just gonna be in chests etc now or are there certain ways to get that?

[unreal acorn]

scroll down

[lost gulch]

just makes it so you can see recent footsteps as red footprints on the ground. Kind of useless unless you're hunting for PVP or dealing with invisibility

[lofty ruin]

yes i just realize lol

[knotty kernel]

wait they have +4 weapon damage? Does that mean we have +5 added magic and weapon damage. We are so back.

[ebon gulch]

noone buffs knowledge on fighter because theres better stats on him yeah. He has 15 on every other stat though so where are we putting the other 15 from knowledge? do we spread them out over the entire kit? What happens when you want to use a movement shrine in the middle of a fight?

[slow cosmos]

anyone else unable to join a match? just stuck loading

[blissful elk]

how do you find the candy corn? do you just find it looting chest and what not?

[amber turtle]

+4 weapon damage on all pieces on ranger

[pulsar pebble]

i have a weapon in my shop thats +3 weapon damage, like +2 physical power and +1 all. its so stupid.

[past lava]

Lets do that. Lets meet at the speed shrine in the Ruins and you can try to use that shrine while I fight you. I'll be whatever class you want. I'll be Wizard and Melee you. Before you're done, you'll be dead. Want to bet a stack of Rubysilver on it?

[knotty kernel]

That sounds lit.

[sinful thunder]

NICE DOUBLE STACKED LOBBY IRONMACE

[candid sable]

WHY DID U BRING BACK +3 ALL ATTRIBUTES
It was so much fun, why bring back the garbage quick TTK????

[pulsar pebble]

bruh. its weapon damage on weapons, and +all AND + damage on armour. what the hell are they thinking? they keep saying they want to slow the fights down, and then they make it worse then it was before lol. you can literally stack + damage on every slot now.

[mellow mortar]

bruh, why +3 all back lol

[plucky finch]

Anyone know what was just updated?

[tiny shell]

Every patch is worse then the previos. Hope they turn in right direction because they are running in circles.

[ebon gulch]

Lol yeah i wouldn't be using the shrine if you're on me, obviously fights are more nuanced then jsut standing infront of each other and swinging though, try again.

[rustic moon]

wallet warriors to the rescue

[agile elm]

because they only listen to a few streamers in their secret discord

[austere plover]

IM really starting to confuse the shit out of me, add +3 all, too op remove it, add it back, too op remove it, add it back

[gaunt shell]

lol i just bought +2 all +1 weapon damage tunic for 120 from vendor

[wooden pilot]

How do y'all deal with the mage skeletons that cast fireball? I struggle with those still.

[digital fulcrum]

This is the most wtf patch so far. No idea what they are thinking

[scarlet umbra]

nice loot you got from a hard boss kill!

[light aurora]

How do I get candy corn

[lost gulch]

you think so two dimensionally, completely ignoring everything outside of WASD, M1 and M2. Please recognize that this game isn't just: walk to person -> hit them in face

[pulsar pebble]

look at this bow bro..,.... what is this garbage.... #dnd-memes-only message

[proud beacon]

matcmaking error

[brave pond]

Do we know the wipe cycle yet? im just curious

[deft fractal]

anyone else getting rubberbanded?

[upbeat haven]

hopefully this most recent one lasts 72 hours

[mossy vessel]

Anyone know where we get the candy corn for the jack o lantern

[subtle heart]

rogue is back

[tiny shell]

Game is going downhill fast. With every patch its worse.

[pulsar pebble]

+8 damage bonus + the % physical increase . on that bow image i just linked. lol..... In case your too lazy to scroll. server keeps deleting it. lol

[past lava]

"What happens when you want to use a movement shrine in the middle of a fight?" - Hence my point: your point is weak. No one uses shrines "in the middle of a fight." And if you are, you're doing it wrong. Listen, I implore you to level up Wizard or Cleric and Barbarian. You'll see that a Wizard doesn't open a portal significantly faster than a Fighter. The difference is literally 3 seconds. Yes - there are times when that matters. But I'd rather my survivability and lethality be improved over my "portal opening time" as a FIGHTER.

@lost gulch - When you log into the game, copy and paste the description of fighter that the Devs wrote for the Character. Perhaps then you'll understand my sentiment. If not, define the word "Fight" for me.

[vivid pendant]

there is no wipe cycle for early access
once seasons actually start they plan on having ~3 month cycles

[subtle heart]

Unironically if they added +3 all and +wep damage up the ass again, yeah, bad patch, im going to hold out reservations that it isn't as bad as it seems

[knotty kernel]

+4 daamge is back this is amazing

[errant steeple]

Roughly 6 weeks after they destroy the ecomony with increasingly less creative ways

[unreal pond]

They should not have put back in +2all

[placid badger]

Just had a game where multiple people spawned side by side to each other.

It was absolute madness.

[ebon gulch]

i have been playing since PT 3 and have all classes 15+ wiz is my main and your completly wrong in this lol. If you cant notcie the difference between wizard, fighter, and barbs portal opening speed than i seriosuly doubt youve played all classes to 20

[mossy vessel]

How get corns?!

[timber eagle]

anybody else sitting in queue in game to get into a match?

[wicked leaf]

how do you get the candy corn pieces for the jack o lantern guy

[pulsar pebble]

i have a survival bow in my vendor with a combined +8 weapon damage. lol

[past lava]

I've been playing since PT1, I have all classes to 20 RIGHT NOW (They all include "Savvy" in the name - Wizard is JaySavvy). I am not wrong. You're just probably not playing at a high enough level to see the disparity.

[knotty kernel]

I like the change, I love jacked loot

[digital fulcrum]

You kill things, they drop them

[errant steeple]

I’ll buy that just for knockback cheese

[mystic agate]

get a job

[lyric lark]

quickest way to get candy corn anyone??

[pulsar pebble]

its going to kill the wipe. lol. this kind of loot should be reserved for the last week of a wipe for memes

[tall crest]

I was just in a solo lobby with 30+ players

[ebon gulch]

Can lead a horse to water lol, you can believe what you want, wiz opens portals faster then barb objectively, to a point that the high know/will chars in my group are on "portal duty". Go try it out for yourself the game is live

[agile elm]

+4 magicpower on item LMAO

[pastel frigate]

They added +damage back to gear

[mystic elm]

Nerf ranger. This is getting ridiculous.

[sterile plover]

I really want to play the game but I can't buy it. Could someone buy the game for me or lend it?
In Brazil it's very expensive and I can't buy the game

[ebon gulch]

We are testing the new systems at the end of the day. They could switch things around a lot over the next couple weeks and then wipe again. This is the nature of EA

[vital lantern]

delicious noob tears 🙂

[fervent pelican]

how do you get candy corn?

[silk sable]

What's the point in doing a big gear squish and a big massive change with crafting and buyable purps and shit like that when you're only going to panic revert big changes literally 1 day later. I thought the point of EA was testing things but I barely believe it at this point.

[nova haven]

Goblin Caves is spawning like 20-30 people

[tall crest]

bro if you cant afford 30ish dollars, you have way bigger fish to fry that does not include playing video games

[grave seal]

the time you spend getting the gold to actually purchase that gear is the risk you are putting in. It doesn't matter if you are some sweat who 'earns' their gear out in the wild through pure PvP or purchases it, you're still taking a risk, muppet.

[pulsar galleon]

lmao

[mystic agate]

Anyone else keep crashing? Game ended abnormally message.

[ebon gulch]

Wrong guy, i can afford the game, i bought it for 2 of my friends already lol

[vital lantern]

@floral canopy just say ur a noob that is hardstuck grey items

[lunar rock]

WTF ARE THESE ROLLS +4 ADD MAGICAL +2 ALL ON SPELLBOOK, THIS GAME WILL BE ONESHOT LAND

[lost gulch]

Everyone knows fighter can't use spells. People are just trying to tell you that knowledge isn't as useless as you think lol. The game genre is an EXTRACTION game. If it takes you a very short or very long time to extract, that changes the dynamics of the game. There's so many circumstances where faster portal opening even by a second or two can literally save your life.

[pulsar pebble]

It was extensively tested at this level before. For like 3 weeks. They simply cant be putting out statements saying they want to slow the game down because its too fast to their liking then 2 days later drop weapons with +8 physical damage bonus on them. At BEST its mixed messaging. Let them cook, but 2 days with the previous gear balance wasnt enough time for them to get data to compare with imo

[signal kindle]

And here I was enjoying the game’s fights not being over instantly

[cyan latch]

did they remove gold pile from boss?

[jovial echo]

wtf did some merchant disapear?

[autumn bay]

anyone know how to get candy corn???

[vital lantern]

@cyan latch only on normal

[ebon gulch]

I think the comment about how fast people were was reffering to the movement before the 350 ms cap. that being said with the PDR buff and increase in TTK, playing around with damages makes sense imo at this stage. Gotta let them try things

[lunar rock]

actually i think they dont know what they want ngl

[vital lantern]

@autumn bay itll drop randomly off mobs like before i imagine

[gaunt shell]

bro some of these roles are ridiculous and its only been 30 minutes

[sinful thunder]

how much did the rogues pay the devs to buff them again?

[pulsar pebble]

movement speed isnt going to matter my guy. Your going to be able to stack +30 weapon damage on your gear. if you SEE another player, your going to be dead. im all for testing extremes but i cant see a world where this is even on the spectrum of what they are considering the future lol

[subtle heart]

almost as much as wizards

Bro I hate rogues too but you’re making us rogue haters look like tardos

[gaunt shell]

why am i seeing +5 magic power +2 all in my vendor holy

[silver escarp]

So is gobbo caves broken right now? Also they really add +8 weapon dmg on stuff? Jeez, we had such a ballin patch and we goin back to +3 all land

[vivid pendant]

[hearty badger]

time for rogues to do 100 damage a hit twice a second

[signal kindle]

Time for lobbies to be 80% rogues again

[ebon gulch]

Next hotfix might be a pdr increase to compensate, or they could tune things down again. Just saying fluctuation is fine at this stage of the game, they need to test things somehiw

[lunar rock]

have you thought about rangers who can one shot on every arrow ??????

[hearty badger]

Atleast you can sometimes dodge those, unlike the random rogues that just appear and your already dead by the time you see them

[pulsar pebble]

i actually think this is all a data entry error. lol

[wooden pilot]

There needs to be an actual solo paythrough for new people. Right now it's just being mobbed by people with way more gear every run.

[ebon gulch]

considering the Occultist boots, you could be right lol

[hearty badger]

thats impossible lol, there will always be that one level 3 guy with full purple in goblin caves

[silver escarp]

They have pre 15 only lobbies atm, and you cant use trade until 15.

[knotty kernel]

No this is how the game was back in the playtests. They buffed armour and survivability in the patch but must have determine TTK was too high so now they buffed damage.

[sterile plover]

I really want to play the game but I can't buy it. Could someone buy the game for me or lend it?
In Brazil it's very expensive and I can't buy the game

[pulsar pebble]

i played every playtest including the first one and they never went to this extreme

[lofty ginkgo]

Just get a motorcycle and a buddy

[wooden pilot]

Single player games are impossible? That's a wild take.

[knotty kernel]

For the first 4 playtests they had +5 weapon damage +3 all they only removed it in playtest 5 if I recall.

[fossil cradle]

did these guys really bring back +all attris again

[pulsar pebble]

Those playtests didnt have + damage on every slot. Look man. you can have your opinion. im not even saying you wrong. but i shouldnt see a bow in my merchant shop with +8 bonus damage on it. period. thats my opinion. lol

[wooden pilot]

I'm playing solo a lot right now and just get mobbed mostly. Just need to be more social probably.

[lost gulch]

and an airsoft gun - dont forget to paint the orange tip black for better results

[hearty badger]

Imagine that one unique longbow with knockback... but +damage on every slot.

[tender temple]

yo did they learn nothing from +all atts before

[slate swallow]

TRY PLAYING THE GAME INSTEAD OF COMPLAINING HERE YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO AFFORD +2 FROM MERCHANT LIKE EVERYONE ELSE

[lofty ginkgo]

Still no way toreliably buy a grey weapon of choice. Maybe next patch.

[fossil cradle]

"lets get rid of +all because its overpowered"
"ok we're bringing it back"
"actually nvm we're getting rid of it, its op"
"on a fifth thought, we're bringing it back" lol what is this dev team

[compact orbit]

how exactly does this whole lvl 15 diffrent lobbt crap work when there 15 they switch or when they hit 16 cus i just started my wipe and have ran into so many lvl 15 while im at lvl 1

[gritty flume]

another patch and skeleton crossbowmen are still more dangerous than other players

[lofty ginkgo]

Bye everyone, I would rather do all that housework I've been putting off, rather than only get to use my fav weapon 1 in 5 raids. Screw the arming sword.

[lost gulch]

lmao true

[copper wave]

$5 paypal to whoever knows how to get candy corn

[rich nova]

why would you bring +3 all back? literally no one asked for that, im already anticpating you all reverting this YET AGAIN and getting rid of it AGAIN just so you can ruin a whole season again....literally killing your own game

[hearty badger]

+3 all in multiple slots

[vivid pendant]

bro go into dungeon and kill/loot

[compact orbit]

candy corn is just random drops

[past lava]

If fighter had a Perk that could sacrafice 10 Knowledge for +5 STR and +5 AGI, literally every fighter in the game would take it.

[ebon gulch]

dont need the money, you get it as a random drop lol

[strange cloud]

is it me or are warlocks incredibly weak? I'm dotting things with both damage-causing curses and shooting shadow bolts. I've also tried hydras, big pyro, and trailblazer....

[pulsar pebble]

the +3 all isnt even the major issue. the +8 weapon damage on a single slot is the real bullshit

[fossil cradle]

they're gonna remove itagain so that the +3 stays in for 2 weeks and are worth 3 golden keys

[ebon gulch]

that would also be broken af lol +5 on anything is crazy as a passive

[rose stump]

Poor Woodsman is on his own and all sad looking

[compact orbit]

how exactly does this whole lvl 15 diffrent lobby work when there 15 they switch or when they hit 16 cus i just started my wipe and have ran into so many lvl 15 while im at lvl 1

[hearty badger]

+30 weapon damage survival bow with quickshot gonna go brrrrrr

[pulsar pebble]

can get way more then 30 damage, want me to send you a screenshot on discord? lol

[past lava]

Broken? But it wouldn't actually increase their stat spread. And if it's broken then you're proving my point of how irrelevant Knowledge is by say evenly distributing the points would make the class broken.

[onyx trout]

+all is dumb

[fossil cradle]

and they didnt even bother to remove the shit that they JUST NERFED yet again. Lanterns with +8 movespeed? cmon shitmace.

[hearty badger]

I'm aware that you can probably get +50 or higher, just giving an example

[ebon gulch]

Naw im not commenting on the knowledge thing at all lol, im saying +5 on any stat thorugh a perk is crazy, jokester is already crazy enough

[pine condor]

shit patch ironmace what r u fking doing

[pulsar pebble]

aye, its hella stupid.

[rich nova]

ya that also is fucking dumb they literally killing the game with this crap the gear was fine with the changes they first made i dont understand reverting it back to being FUCKED within 48 hours

[pure moat]

Patch is looking interesting

[past lava]

Did you miss the -10 Knowledge for the +5 AGI and STR? Ha ha.

[mild storm]

So many cry babies 😂

[hearty badger]

says the one whos crying in the emoji he sent

[upbeat scaffold]

Just got rollback bug after finishing highroller goblin cave game.

[ebon gulch]

no, just irrelevant to my point. -10 knowledge isnt worth +5 in both agi and str, the best 2 stats on a fighter lol

[austere plover]

do all maps have the candy corns

[past lava]

That was my original point that you told me wasn't a good point because that 15 Knowledge is worth opening portals. Now we see eye-to-eye. Knowledge is a weak stat to have on fighter.

[pure moat]

Looking like a rogue angle boys

[ebon gulch]

lol i can hold both opinions, they are unreleated. Knowledge is a bad stat on fighter, it also isnt useless though

[jagged stump]

So when your fighting cave troll, are you just straight fucked if someone enters the arena and throws your run by messing with the troll agro?

[weary wind]

Did everyones inven get wiped or just mine?

[past lava]

Except you've conceded my original point. Knowledge is the most useless stat on fighter. 15 Knowledge is WASTED STATS on fighter. Every other class is MORE OPTOMIZED. Fighter has stats that are wasted in Knowledge.

[ebon gulch]

focus the player in that situation! expect to get messed with while bossing cave troll

[granite mulch]

why are we adding back weapon dmg and all stat +2 ffs ya'll are smoking some crazy sht

[rigid yacht]

just saw a +4 weapon dmg, that means theres +4 all

[severe arch]

bro wtf, i go in with my best gear only to dc 2 minutes into the match, logged back in only to be bugged and can only fkin walk....

[tall crest]

They needed to let this patch simmer and test before reverting, these changes are bad

[scarlet umbra]

if they havent figured it out then we should just stop playing their game

[limpid compass]

warlock simulator

[placid belfry]

IronMickey Games doenst know what theyre doing

[silver escarp]

man I was having a blast with the patch 1, the game felt sooo good. Why did we go back 2 patches? I don't understand, we tested the crazy items already, it was awful.

[hearty badger]

Rogue, Warlock, & Ranger simulator

[strange cloud]

warlocks are so fucking useless

[fast glade]

Maintenance over?

[regal parcel]

tHE TEAMING IS GOB CAVEIS SO LAME

[ebon gulch]

Naw your looking to far into what im saying, take it on face value. Knowledge is a bad stat on fighter yes, but its not USELESS. It increases you magic interaction speed which helps with shrines and portals. +15 on knowledge is because you have +15 on EVERY STAT. Master of arms makes it so every weapon is viable on fighter, including Crystal sword

[azure blade]

how do i build warlock now?

[viscid finch]

IS the CANDYCORN on all the maps?

[winter flicker]

that cleric life of poverty is real.

[cinder nest]

do you need mimic's tongue for anything?

[wooden pilot]

Personal pleasure?

[signal osprey]

all these merchant changes and i still cant rely on a grey weapon of my choice being there unfortunate

[deft hollow]

anybody think blow of curruption needs to be nerfed? Im tired of being a Wiz,Ro, or ranger and getting one tapped by a fucking stick

[hearty badger]

as rogue just get +60 weapon damage and one shot the warlock
Ranger just get +60 weapon damage and one shot...

You get the point

[stable plover]

How tf is it possible the devs always manage to consistently break the game with every single patch. Like not even one minor issue, multiple game changing/breaking bugs every single patch. And they still delay most of their patches for hours

[lost gulch]

I know right :/ merchant changes should have included having every gear item in the game as greys

[unreal vessel]

They added +2 all attributes.. dunno about +3, didnt see one yet..

[jovial echo]

why does my lantern have 3 physical power ? XD

[subtle heart]

what perks should i be using for barb?

[real mantle]

that not bad for a fighter like you can use the 2 sword perk

[sterile plover]

I really want to play the game but I can't buy it. Could someone buy the game for me or lend it?
In Brazil it's very expensive and I can't buy the game

[slate swallow]

people complaing about changes are the same ones dying from dragonflies in hell

[vestal vapor]

game is worse overall

[devout yacht]

traps are broken again, not with damage but with how they work. Very glitchy, they make you stop moving completely instead of being able to move around with the length of the chain

[ebon gulch]

you think these people are taking reds dude? theyre dying to shield skelleis lol

[hearty badger]

you've asked this question 28 times now...

[oblique spoke]

where can i see ranking of stats now

[mild storm]

People complain no matter what changes they make and then continue to play the game non stop anyways 😂

[stable plover]

How tf is it possible the devs always manage to consistently break the game with every single patch. Like not even one minor issue, multiple game changing/breaking bugs every single patch. And they still delay most of their patches for hours

[winter flicker]

How tf is it possible the devs always manage to consistently break the game with every single patch. Like not even one minor issue, multiple game changing/breaking bugs every single patch. And they still delay most of their patches for hours

[waxen jasper]

Anyone know when they are planning on giving the refund to those who bought a class when they were not all free?

[rancid scarab]

where to get candy corn

[smoky prawn]

why would they bring back +3 all with the gear changes, theyre trashing this game because of stupid streamers

[ebon gulch]

they already did lol

[waxen jasper]

I retract my statement

[winter flicker]

and here I thought it was based on the are em tee kiddos and the dupers

this "wipe" wont last

[vernal galleon]

how can i get candy corn

[vivid pendant]

have to pay with real money

[compact moon]

Has anybody had problem with opening portals? especially on goblins old HR?

[pulsar galleon]

the candy corn is in my ass. trick or treat

[stray spear]

this game is gonna die soon...loaded in with lvl 1 cleric with a friend lvl 1 rogue and purple geared cloack rings pendant team killed us even though landed judgement and 2 hits with warmaul to the head on fighter and didnt even die like whats the point that fighter missed 2 swings (he is so bad) and his rogue friend just killed me from the back

[vernal galleon]

fr?

[exotic gust]

whens ranger going to have some meaningful nerfs? class is beyond busted

[subtle heart]

I just got it from goblin cave

[vivid pendant]

can't you guys just go in game and find out? holy shiet lol

[jolly wigeon]

So sad bard got giga nerfed, finally tried the class like 3 days ago then update came and shattered my puzzle piece

[unkempt charm]

Just got killed by a warlock with a +8 move speed lantern. Out ran my sprint. So fair

[hearty badger]

Skill Issue!

[devout yacht]

you mean they're not op so you don't like it? lol

[forest grove]

yeah sadly this game is busted at this point

[vestal matrix]

yo where do I find candy corn

[pulsar pebble]

Rofl. Warlock boots from.14 speed to 4. Someoje definitely goofed on data entry

[forest grove]

the gear should work like in hunt showdown... might give you a slight advantage but skill usually wins the day

[somber pawn]

This game is the most enjoyable duel-based pvp turned into PVE smacking nonsense, boring as hell to spend 20 minutes dealing with buggy and clunky monsters just to get a single, pvp, encounter

such a waste of time for such a great game

[desert skiff]

go through red portals

[unreal vessel]

we are back to getting +2 all attributes on gear.. sigh...

[jolly wigeon]

Yes exactly lol, idk the class was just fun. Felt like the first time I played, just run around like an idiot stabbing people

[vital shoal]

bruh ranger needs to be taken out of the game

[slate swallow]

you can use it too no?

[lavish apex]

Has anyone inventory been reset after extracting ? mine just got reset . i had lots of new loot

[sinful mason]

WHERE IS THE LONGBOW NERF
WHERE IS IT

[subtle heart]

Patch bug, gear with high stats somehow snuck back into game, don't worry it'll wipe again soon.
/s
(It's the intended patch, they don't have a game design/balance expert so they're just wildly flailing around while they learn stuff, but hang tight they're trying to make something good here and its not too far off)

[deft hollow]

no cleric does. everyone is cleric ranger or cleric warlock and just spamming heals

[thin onyx]

just found some shitters pre-teaming in goblin caves, dropping gear, where do i report this

[hearty badger]

pretty sure thats allowed

[finite tiger]

how do you get candy corn

[signal storm]

Did they not reset levels for the wipe? Just gear stash?