game-discussion

[chilly nebula]

he did

[opal patrol]

Barb with roar movespeed can catch any class

[scarlet wing]

math doesnt check out :/

[sonic lagoon]

need da replay

[opal patrol]

Hot take solos are pretty balanced rn with rogues not in the picture currently

[scarlet wing]

cleric just solos everything tho

[late willow]

Tarkov doesn’t have numbers like league, valorant, overwatch, rocket league, apex, Fortnite. All games that are TRULY successful are game that have a casual player base. Tarkov will never be on the level of any of those games even though it might be a “better” game. It will never bring in as much money or players as games with a casual player base do.

[late willow]

Tarkov will just be the next PUBG, Dayz, and H1Z1. 100%

[clear cradle]

😄

[silk stone]

...its a six year old game already...

[chilly nebula]

im addicted to tarkov 😦 im only here cuz my duo is off

[late willow]

And it’s been on a decline of players for the last 4 years.

Players will leave faster than they join because there is no casual player base. It’s always been that way.

[stark shard]

Isn't Tarkov not even out yet? It's been in beta for six years?

[cosmic tendon]

Farm-assy bag.

[elfin cobalt]

can u buy and play dark and darker in Canada?

[sonic lagoon]

you have money in canada???

[cosmic tendon]

It's past the mummies in the southeast. You gotta break the door down and fight the 3 mummies there. Fire traps should be easy to find from there.

[elfin cobalt]

yea

for real??

[flat mountain]

he can't

[empty sun]

#🔗links

[elfin cobalt]

i see the links, I dont see anything about buying in Canada though in any of them

[zealous nova]

Just buy it from the website or chaff and play

[elfin cobalt]

i wanna know if i can play it in my region b4 buying it bruh😭😭😭

[empty sun]

Its not banned in Canada he was trolling

[cunning mist]

ok so I can play it there?

[empty sun]

[elfin cobalt]

alr thanks man

[empty sun]

No worries

[wild jay]

Which is why base gear lobbies is a great idea, it's casual friendly

[pearl hornet]

ranger nerf cannot come soon enough

[bright ridge]

YA KNOW, getting 3rd partied doesnt anger me much. Getting domed by a ranger? A show of skill on their part. Fireball? I was in a bad position.

THE GOBLIN DOT, on the other hand, who decided those things can stack? Why does it apply the DOT even if the attack is blocked? Its the most rage enducing thing in this game

[blazing acorn]

anyone else gtetting a bug where u dont spawn in with drum now.

[stark shard]

the DOT does not apply if the attack was blocked

[flat mountain]

just dodge the arrow xD just flail your head around as fast as you can while pressing every button on your keyboard and praying they don't hit you xD

[pulsar pebble]

some real BETA players lol. we just ran into a 5 man group in hells. killed them, but what a lame sauce way to play the game.

[pearl hornet]

even if you dodge the arrows there is no way that a barbarian can catch them running 🤷‍♂️

[bright ridge]

Then my game is fucky, because I blocked three attacks from two seperate goblins, Heard the metal THUNK each time signifying the block was successfull, and still got drained

[mint parrot]

greed is good is so fun holy shit

[stark shard]

Yes, that is a bug. It's possible that some kind of server lag meant you saw the block on your side, but the server counted it as a hit and updated your health accordingly

Or, the attack hit your elbow or top of your head before colliding with the shield.

[idle plinth]

just ran into a team with full purples and they all had 30+ stats and they one tapped us all longbow to the chest how is this good game design i should NOT be fighting these people when i go in naked

[solemn dagger]

@bright ridge yeah, I've been jittering and rubberbanding all over tonight. Noticed that my blocks either don't register, or their hit will register 1-2 seconds after connecting sometimes.

[cunning rain]

what weapon does barb use

[bright ridge]

nah. definitely heard the Thunk. But yea. if it's lag then it's understandable.

[river walrus]

Why are clarity potions not available through merchants? WOuld make sense if the alchemist had1 every two deaths or seomthing like that

[stark shard]

The "thunk" doesn't mean you didn't get hit, it just means the attack collided with the shield. It can hit both you and the shield

[hard rock]

Why is every cleric I fight bad at pvp

[warm trout]

+1 420 + chill and smart

[idle vortex]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/488817/weapon-on-weapon-collision go vote if you agree

[hard rock]

I dont agree but I like cowboy bebop pfp

[maiden saddle]

is anyone else getting horrendous lag?

[whole tapir]

are we able to report a 5v1 in goblin dungeons?

that to me is definitely teaming, and they werent using voip

[main bronze]

it is physically impossible to kill a wizard as a barbarian.

[frozen heart]

When does this wipe happen?

[still apex]

26th

[wheat saddle]

Don't use a weapon, beat them down with your bare hands and throw axes at them

[wheat saddle]

You risked and lost nothing going in naked. Gear should be brought closer together, but there shouldn't be divided lobbies.

[strange nova]

today game doesnt work with permanent loading black screen, maybe some1 knows what to do?

[gloomy matrix]

game is fucking awful its not worth $10 let alone 35.

[bright ridge]

cool

[wheat saddle]

I'd easily pay 50$ again after the experience I've had so far. There's not a single other game out there I'd rather pay 50$ for. Not even upcoming games to be honest.

[golden pasture]

CAN U NERF RANGERS ALREADY FUCK THIS GAME WTF

[hard rock]

Yeah some guy pulled out the blickey on me and I died instantly

[hasty scarab]

does old rusty key still spawn off of worm? and where is the new loot room for the old rusty key?

[uneven prairie]

[somber ice]

My friend is trying to learn bard and we just can't seem to figure out that class. Usually we run as a Bard, Wizard, and a Cleric/Fighter. Any tips on what the bard should be doing?

[steel torrent]

i can answer the first part, it still spawns off the worm

[steel torrent]

First and foremost maintaining buffs. Some buffs (a lot of the self-buffs + harmonic shield) have a duration of two minutes, keep those up and when you're about to take a fight, start pumping out the last few you need ( rousing rhythms/accelerando/allegro etc). From there its a bit up in the air, getting shriek off is nice if you can before you commit. You probably want to be second line behind your cleric/fighter in the comps you're running. Hope this helps!

[hard rock]

How do I buff zeezee

[uneven prairie]

key still drops but no more room as of now

[main bronze]

This game was 10x better during the playtests. I genuinely dont understand how rangers can go this fkn long without getting nerfed. Barbarian is completely fucking useless now. They removed the ONE SINGULAR ABILITY that let you deal with ranged classes. Now there is literally nothing. If you try to run them down with fists they can literally pull out their weapon and hit you 3 times before you can even get the slow ass barbarian to pull his out.

[idle plinth]

going in to have no chance of winning isnt a good thing

[steel torrent]

play that funky music

[idle plinth]

playtests didnt have nearly as much pub stompers

[rich abyss]

Is there a spot on this Discord where you can input suggestions?

[jovial cove]

buff wall spikes tbh

[main bronze]

eh it is what it is. Can't wait for all the rip offs of this game that are coming out to inevitably end up better than this so i can uninstall it for good. I really hope GiG keeps improving the way it is. If I could get a refund i would do it right this second. Massive waste of money and time.

[limber verge]

garry leave the discord

[glad forge]

in my opinion, game has got a larger player skill gap recently.

[main bronze]

Anyone know how to get a refund? I can't find anything on the games website

[limber verge]

#the-tavern message Idk bro, seems like you've had the game for a while. You arent entitled to a refund.

[idle sky]

When a barb roars I just remove shirt and pants to outrun him. Actually works unless they know to remove their pants too, but usually happens too fast.

[gloomy matrix]

eat it kid

[limber verge]

judging from your pfp you'd probably eat it before I could.

[gloomy matrix]

lets see what you look like irl

[limber verge]

look up the statue of david, kinda like that. go for a run bud.

[gilded minnow]

Are you actually a wiz player? I feel like wiz and Ranger are really balanced against one another. You can basically both 2 tap one another, yea they have more range but you also have invis/haste and fire ball to break open doors if they ever go to place a trap or anything. Also zap is hitscan so much easier to aim up close, both are very strong in their own rights but I feel they are decently balanced against one another

[opal patrol]

Game balanced

[wild jay]

"Barb is useless" how can you be so bad at the game that you suck with one of the best classes

[gilded minnow]

Idk if this is satire but I really think the balance isn’t awful rn. Some things still need tuning 100% but lookin solid imo

[main bronze]

you obviously didnt comprehend the rest of what came after that. I'm saying it's useless against all classes with a ranged ability. fighter/ranger/wiz. Sure its one of the "best" classes if you're always playing against noobs in sub lvl15 lobbies. Yeah its a great class if they let you slowly waltz up and smack them in the head. But most rangers with more than 3 braincells arent going to let that happen.

[stark shard]

maybe you should play ranger

[gilded minnow]

Nah I can kite a geared barb as a naked ranger and win if I have arrows. I lose if they get anywhere near me tho. The biggest thing as a Barb is picking your battles

[wild jay]

That's not a bug lol it's literally in one of the tips displayed during loading. You can still be hit even if you block it if they actually hit you. Like for instance they hit a corner of your head or something. It's just not a bug lol

[stark shard]

Did you... read the sentence after that???

[graceful storm]

if the enemy is too close it bugs out like your shield isnt there

[gilded minnow]

That’s not really a bug tho I don’t think. That’s just surpassing the hit box and it’s cuz the sword or w/e hits u is prolly going over or around it. Might be bugged but I haven’t noticed it

[hard rock]

I suck with barb but good with cleric

[main bronze]

No. It's the easiest and most boring class in the game. I played it the first 4 playtests and quit because it was so fkn boring. You literally don't lose unless you get snuck up on.

[gilded minnow]

Holy strike op no cap Fr Fr on god

[graceful storm]

maybe im not sure but ive had several times when people are in my face and it clearly should be making contact it goes right through, maybe not a "bug" but something that could probably be looked at/improved a little seems kinda weird when it happens

[meager totem]

anyone try to log in and it just says blocked

[shell cedar]

This is why my barb is kitted woth agility and move speed gear xD

[gilded minnow]

It’s definitely wonky like hit reg sometimes but idk if it’s a bug but more of a quirk to be learned cuz I feel that’s been the case for most of the games life

[main bronze]

Oh and I think there is a glitch with the double axe rn. The second swing in the combo attact doesn't register as a hit for me half the time even if i watch it go through their body

[graceful storm]

are purple rings on the lich where you stack ever supposed to instantly go off? I had that happen earlier lost my ruby kit, yes I think I was running that

[gilded minnow]

Are you a cleric with protection from evil. If so, yes. It is a negative modifier so the time is halved and will almost always insta kill you

[graceful storm]

damn that blows I didnt think about that

[verbal idol]

Thats why you dont hit lich as a cleric, so you dont get targeted by the circles

[gilded minnow]

Or you just don’t use protection from evil

[graceful storm]

that makes sense, i just didnt put that together

[gilded minnow]

No yea not u ur chillin but the issue with it is it can cause more harm than good. Like yea DoT’s with protection from evil is great but something like that really stings. I feel you can get by without PfE tho tbh

[manic walrus]

Tha wooden/metal thunk sound is not indicative of the block being successful, it just means something hit your shield
In reality, the attack may well have continued on to hit your head or arm or other hurtbox

[graceful storm]

i had just dumped all my holy lights on him turned around and insta died, oh well now I know thanks. Just started running that one recently I have done the boss fight many times before with out it

[gilded minnow]

Also stay out of his range until rage, you should get orbs instead of debuffs. Not too familiar with range on holy light tho. But honestly in a fight like that you use mika vista to wipe ads and focus ads. If you have cleanse you keep one ready to hit a teammate with to get rid of their buff, or you jus keep their hp good and pocket your dps

[manic walrus]

Interesting, good to know

[balmy steppe]

Wipe Tuesday yea?

[eternal python]

every game I get into 80% of deaths are to bows,everyone on ranger now?

[waxen karma]

NGL dark and darker devs def know what they doing which is why we lost over 50% of players claps

[hard rock]

Whats this new patch even gonna have

[waxen karma]

25% over all players after wipe @hard rock because devs do things mid wipe and think it helps

[wheat saddle]

Of course not. It depends on the class matchup, goblin caves weren't going to be a thing until so many people asked for it. The game is initially designed around trios. I enjoy being able to go in as a low kitted longsword player and drop geared melees with reposte. Does it work every time? Of course not. But when it does, the payout is huge. Asking for gear score lobbies and such takes away this oppurtunity and thrill.

[magic mulch]

I think that this game, they have to level it now, it should be their priority. There is no point in adding content if you have an unbalanced game, perhaps you could make an adjustment to the bard, since he can use all of his songs, I would make a change so that he can only use certain songs. I mean that the bard can be used in an aggressive way and passively more focused on support, it would be a big change according to me. Finally, if you can have all your songs, it requires knowledge, for example, and if you are going to have all the songs like the current one, it requires higher equipment. Well, let the ranger make the necessary adjustments, and remove the 3 arrows.

[waxen karma]

@magic mulchi think atm overall is to get player to play because we are less then 50% active player then normal

[storm bluff]

how much does troll's blood sell for?

[waxen karma]

no one sells anything in trade anymore that you acutally need and im pretty sure is based of recent change / cant make money in higherroller wihtout breaking even/hacker and most importantly the rogue nerf was so hard@storm bluff as much as merchant tells you its a quest item. @storm bluff what langue you speak becausae i have no idea how to less elaborate

[deep badge]

I took a hell portal and got disconnected from the game. when i loaded it back up i had my full loadout i went in with... am i going to get banned lol

[storm bluff]

?

[waxen karma]

@deep badgeno that happens to me alot its like them trying to fix jitters

[deep badge]

okay sweet, was worried for a sec lol

[surreal atlas]

I think for now I am just going to wait for the wipe. the game is in a not great place but I know it's just a balance thing and unresolved issues that arose from negative players and aspects of the game in that place. I understand the limitations and know it's going to be fixed or smothed out a bit, but for now, I don't want all the bad to taint my view and feel of the game when it's just going through growing pains at the moment. I regret that the only solution I can come up with is to not play the game so that I don't get burnt on the game so I won't WANT to play it later.....but it's just the current feel for now. just gonna take a brief step away for the next 3 days until things are reset and we see where things are.

[gentle agate]

The state of the game right now is not so good. They really have to do something about ranger now and I think it's more than time. We see full teams of rangers just landing arrows after arrows and it slows you down really bad. You can't win those. Hopefully it's fixed at next wipe

[waxen karma]

@storm bluffill take that stuff and google translate to w/e you say. anyways game dying at this moment ngl least active saturday ive ever seen

[vivid pendant]

12k dungeon 8900 in lobby, GAME'S DYING

[surreal atlas]

activity? nah not really. but the feel of the game and levels of toxic interactions are kinda too high for my liking. best to wait a couple days for things to level out.

[storm bluff]

you said it's a quest item there's no quests amigo

[waxen karma]

@storm bluffduuuur

[surreal atlas]

*yet they will be added at a later date. it's a WIP. for now I think the trolls blood is just a heal over time item?

[waxen karma]

@storm bluffmaybe be an active memeber in the updates and you would know what to do with it which you legit basically said urself aka i also said what do with it please dont make me caps its for oyu

go ahead im a pretype message

[restive brook]

Love losing bis gear to teamers in gc

[storm bluff]

alright no need to be an prick bro not everyone no life's this game and the discord and also proceeds to complain about how bad it is their entire day. I asked a simple question you gave me a vague answer. @Xan Kronas actually gave me a decent answer

[limber verge]

theres a wipe on tuesday, less people play right before a wipe.

[waxen karma]

@limber vergeits actually a fulx because most people use thier stuff or give it free in trade

[loud remnant]

???

[limber verge]

so you're contradicting yourself, is the game dying or full.

[zinc totem]

Been seeing legendarys like crazy on folks, people going crazy rn since wipe comn

[waxen karma]

imagine asking what can you sell it for like 50 times before you get an answer and they ask you ur education after a lot of responses just imagine @storm bluffif you knew the whole time then why suggest google? escpeially sense it was an option to begin with let be real

[limber verge]

are you having an episode

[split sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jackson-enjoying-lol-michael-jackson-gif-5256534

6 am discord chat oh boi

[waxen karma]

@limber vergeall i base it off is trade and its its way under less then half in each catagory from what it was fighters is the only thing going up atm

[subtle heart]

I am having an episode over the 60 second slowmode holy edit this 3 times cause ive still got 20 to go whys it so long?

[simple escarp]

Is there any particular reason why goblin caves feel harder as a solo than crypts? Less rewarding and cramped playstyle I have extracted more with better loot on crypts as solo :/ like I know I'm bad I acknowledge my skill issue but I don't really see a point in playing that map tbh

[novel pawn]

Goblin caves is nice for knowing that if you run into someone, they won't have teammates right behind them potentially. It's not terrible loot, I do prefer doing Ruins > all but I have the easiest escaping on Goblin caves, usually.

[dense nexus]

Bruh. Preach

[sand zenith]

Why in a loot based game is the reconect option so bad? I'm lagging so I dc and restart me game and it sends me to the lobby instead?

[unborn hamlet]

Kinda tbh

[sand zenith]

Like if I closed the app instead of hitting exit game I wouldn't have lost anything but if I hit quit I lose everything.

[unborn hamlet]

Doesn’t know alt+f4 in 2023

[sand zenith]

I'd assume just hitting exit game would be the same as that, but quitting in an official capacity gives no reconect option?

[unborn hamlet]

It literally tells you that when you quit that way.

[sand zenith]

So if I close the game and plan on reconnecting I lose all my stuff but if I choose to just close the game it doesn't? You understand why that doesn't make any sense right?

[hardy juniper]

have the devs made any comment on whether or not they will prohibited people trading gear to level 1 characters?

[unborn hamlet]

Press. Alt. F4.

[sand zenith]

Closing the game in any capacity should give you an option to reconnect and I don't see why it matters what method you use, using the exit game, clicking close, alt f4.

[unborn hamlet]

You cant trade until level 15

[hardy juniper]

You can drop gear in game to a level 1 character and then that level 1 character can run with a full set of purples in sub 15 lobbies. I'm wondering if the devs will prohibit this or not.

[unborn hamlet]

Because there’s never any reason to quit the game and rejoin anyway. Why add another menu option to click through to for everyone trying to exit the lobby normally.

[simple escarp]

I tried doing 3 runs of goblin and could make gold from treasures but that's useless for a lvl 5 outside of random merchant stuff. I did a run of ruins and came out almost full greens so idk if goblins is worth it tbh. Maybe if I need to replenish gold for healing stuff but not actual loot.

[muted verge]

Hey rogues can you tell me how it's possible to jump over a ranger trap in a doorway completely stealth.

[novel pawn]

Well, it's good if you can do the troll I hear.

[unborn hamlet]

True, I doubt it’s much of an issue though tbh. Not sure how they would prohibit it anyway.

@muted verge you can’t jump while stealthed. There was probably enough room to go around

[sand zenith]

There was, I was rubbing banding. There's reasons to quit the game and rejoin. Sometimes you get stuck in a loading screen going down to inferno

[hardy juniper]

Oh, it's a big issue right now. A majority of sub 15 lobbies have a "lobster team". And it would be an easy fix. They would just need to make a rule such that "if this item has ever been in an a level 15 character's inventory, then it cannot be brought into a sub 15 lobby"

[muted verge]

Nope dead center of door no possible way around. However I was to the right of the door so when it opened towards me it blocked some vision. Can rogues run jump crouch over and stealth maybe? For the trap dodge? I feel like I would have heard it though

[unborn hamlet]

Right, extreme outliers that already have a remedy : alt f4. Alt f4 is faster anyway. You didn’t read the message that pops up telling you you can’t rejoin and you’re blaming the game.

@hardy juniper damn there’s really that many people smurfing ? How lame. That’s a clever idea to solve it I like it.

[sand zenith]

Becuase it doesn't make any sense that it's tied to two out of the three leaving options even know its all the same.

[hardy juniper]

Yeah, the only way to beat the lobsters is to lobster them back lol, aka, do the "exploit" yourself

[unborn hamlet]

Nah jumping would instantly take them out of stealth, there had to have been enough room that’s really odd, do you have a clip ?

@hardy juniper wizard is really good at melting lobsters , at least if you kill them you get some lobster gear I suppose. It’s really lame that people would exploit like that against new players but I guess I shouldn’t be surprised

[subtle heart]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2452090/GREED_IS_GOOD/ Any comment from Iron mace on this?

[hardy juniper]

Well, let's be real. Most of the people in sub 15 lobbies aren't new players. It's players who have a lot of hours on the game and don't want to play in the geared lobbies. And yeah, wizard can kill lobsters pretty efficiently

[unborn hamlet]

Sad to hear that… but I guess I shouldn’t be surprised

[empty sigil]

Leveling to 15 goes fast. Most players hit 15 well before having a firm grasp on map and avoiding PvE damage

[winter carbon]

bro fix fucking bard drum i got 75% of my health gone to a drum chucked at my face

[empty sigil]

And itd rather have skilled players beating up on newbies in whit/green than blue/purple

[unborn hamlet]

Yeah that shits really strong. Bard rework soon though

[novel pawn]

I always forget I can yeet the drum at people.

[unborn hamlet]

Surprisingly most bards don’t abuse it, they probably forgot about it too. Here’s a good compilation from rank 1 bard though https://youtu.be/xpMu10nRG-M?si=D0DIrcVD7iQFwNki

[craggy meteor]

is there anybody actually excited to see all classes gutted to 15 dmg attacks like rogue has been? I feel genuinely like the combat isn't diverse enough with no parries and no rotation restriction to support super slow combat but idk.

[subtle heart]

If anyone needs help with learning the game, DM me.

[foggy meteor]

This game pisses me off. There are going to have to be some massive changes Tuesday if this relationship is going to work out.

[tropic breach]

XD

[foggy meteor]

That was my first toxic relationship yes

[tropic breach]

Lmfao

[noble stirrup]

they need to nerf ranger so bad

[foggy meteor]

If this game was focused for solo players it might actually be legendary. Another one for the Weiners I guess. I have given it too many chances to hurt me already. heading back into the light. Peace.

[novel pawn]

Oh also, I just want to make sure, we don't keep anything in the wipes, not even levels or names or anything?

[simple escarp]

Oof invisibility potion actually got me killed because of the after image lasting so long.

[novel pawn]

Oh dope, I don't need to make another MarisaTheBlank setup for each-class. Still need something that starts with S for Druid, cause I for somereason did that lol

[fluid snow]

you keep levels too this wipe

[novel pawn]

Nice nice

And now I am ever so confused as I just encounted the bongo bard.

[lunar fable]

Duck

[lavish oyster]

@winter carbon never went against a ranger huh?

[brazen holly]

Is it just me or are fighters getting double or triple teamed on Goblin Caves more? Last three matches I died from a bunch of people attacking me all at once.

[glass locust]

@ devs There is still a bug where my team is being sent into the same game as solo players.....

[undone narwhal]

Trying to level my wizard in low level lobbies... get killed by a barbarian using Life After Death and full legendary gear. What drives people to do that?

[robust mica]

Laggy for anyone else?

[dusty shell]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JqSDBf-MYzjCjsf6Too9omAiFrMAtV1buaomc8t4uAs/edit#gid=0 I made a quick little spreadsheet with damage calculator and magic healing for anyone interested (make a copy!)

[twin urchin]

Clerics & Wizards should be allowed to sell clarity pots in their trade chats

[subtle heart]

Was it in a pre-15 howling crypts match?

[novel pawn]

Nah, was a ruins

[subtle heart]

with a barb as their duo?

[novel pawn]

I think so? Happened a while ago, I just kinda just went next lol

[subtle heart]

Last question... was it next to health shrine where wurm is?

[novel pawn]

No, it was the graveyard on the edge of the map where a skele wizard is

[foggy meteor]

Wipe deez nutz

[quaint anvil]

have yall tried switching servers to brazil and doing high roller? im getting 1 man lobbies lol

[spice magnet]

so are the well endowed Bozos just spamming norms till highroller reverts or what lmk plz

[foggy meteor]

Peace out. See ya never.

[subtle heart]

They need to add a perk for rangers aswell to use traps. why only nerf dps rogue and not rangers

[dusty shell]

Rangers will get it next.

[subtle heart]

Weakpoint nerf and weakpoint wepdmg removal was nice but they reduced the stealth duration and added a perk for it and also the daggers were already nerfed. Just remove rogue class as a whole now. 💀

[broken forum]

traps are so beyond broken it is a fucking joke, 5 buys 7 gold each for a free win on anyone with similar gear

*unless they illuminate their heads and spend 10 second, or 50, disarming the traps my bad

[limpid merlin]

10 gold each

[broken forum]

true idk where i got 7 unless that was the most poinltess shadow nerf ever

[subtle heart]

When you think u r the most geared and the main char in the match but u face a naked ranger with 12 traps 💀

[cedar ember]

just look down bro

[limpid merlin]

if the ranger pulls out a torch then be wary. but yes they are very strong

[subtle heart]

I have been telling the devs to add a perk for rangers to use traps and make a limit of traps u can hold while entering a match but they never listen.

[cedar ember]

Yea I think they should have a cap on how many they can have actively placed on the ground. Like you can bring a bunch but you can't have 16 doors trapped at the same time.

[rigid glen]

everyone else feel we level way too fast in this game? i can get 1-15 in like 2-3 hours, wish it wasnt like that when wipes come around

[novel pawn]

I'll be honest, I have never had a problem with Ranger traps, but this is coming from a solo player who mostly does Ruins and Goblin caves

[subtle heart]

its cancer in trios. and duos. rangers carry like 10 traps

[gritty verge]

this game is really starting to upset me, every single raid today i get ran over by a super geared buffball as a solo in starting gear, lobbies need to be separated by gear not level

[limpid merlin]

wipe tuesday everyone spending. gear separation bad

[warm lynx]

Friendly reminder that if you lire not having fun , you can take a break from the game. Don’t become like leagues player.

[novel pawn]

Or Dead By Daylight players.

[gritty verge]

no i need to keep suffering

[novel pawn]

I'm mostly just playing to leveling cause apparently level does not get wiped

Yeah, for me it's anyone who can outrange me that I have to worry about.

[narrow raptor]

how much does troll's blood sell for?

[gritty verge]

just dying to juicer 3 mans every raid instead

[versed talon]

what is an old rusty key for now??

[agile raptor]

How many extractions are there, other than the 1 permanent one, in HR goblin caves? And does 1 spawn at the end in the tiny circle like the normal goblin caves?

[onyx mountain]

How do i take gold out of a gold bag? i need to sort my coffers

[winter carbon]

It was a grey drum

[brittle zenith]

normal goblincaves has one? other then that none

[wheat saddle]

Alt+left click then drag

[onyx mountain]

I think HR and Normal GC have the same portal spawnrates

[agile raptor]

I'm not sure what your question is here. Normal goblin caves has 1 permanent extraction, yes, and one that spawns in the last tiny circle, but other than those 2, there are 4 other blue portal extractions for a total of 6.

[agile raptor]

So since normal has 5 portals + 1 permanent, then everyone in HR GC could extract since the lobbies are max 6 players now?

[onyx mountain]

I think so yeah, will that stop people from murdering? no
nothing will tbh

[brittle zenith]

sorry it wasn't a question. but yes there isn't any others that i know of. the duo map does have the duo exit portal tho. oddly ive never saw it before

[subtle heart]

They keep removing functionality of rogues kit and adding it to perks. Terrible way to balance the class. What next? are they gonna add a perk for rogues to carry a dagger/rapier. Im not even a rogue main and i feel bad for them.

[golden pasture]

remove rangers from game it will be good

[brittle zenith]

i don't. hate those mechanics in games where its just a """"mind game"""" ouuu you can't see me ouuuu its ur falt. 😐

[warm lynx]

It does but skill doesn’t get wiped , try to get better

[proven token]

chinese kids buying gold, gear, wallhack, armor hack walk over traps. singapore, ne, tokyo servers infested. is literally a trend in any online game for rich asian games. they think ists really cool

[lavish oyster]

That and Ironmace nerfing anything that could counter ranger which makes the game so unenjoyable

[proven token]

devs are powerless because thats the only income they get....eu market and us market is just not comparable to the pockets of these kids.

[orchid pulsar]

Well it's a way. Beter then nothing and it's a way to keep the beloved class mechanic (by rouges) into the game. If u have a better solution everyone would like to hear that instead of 'what's next...?' don't u think 🙂

[hexed egret]

is the flute or drum better for dmg? im trying to go a aoe dmg build

[subtle heart]

Firstly its "Rogues" not Rouges. They did a good job nerfing weak point, overall rogue agi stats, daggers were already nerfed and the new hide perk was unnecessary. I'm not arguing about the major dps nerfs rogues got, Im all up for it!! but like a said before removing functionality of rogues kits was so unnecessary. They removed hand crossbow first and stealth duration this patch, so that answers my question about "whats next?". The only class to have their innate abilty turned into 2 perks.

[drifting rose]

Ranger will be. And then no one will be able to play anything. The end

[stable glade]

https://tenor.com/view/hang-first-time-smiles-gif-14991372

[drifting rose]

https://tenor.com/view/hang-first-time-smiles-gif-14991372

[hexed egret]

nice not the answer i was looking for but thanks anyways

[wet nebula]

How about devs doing nothing against cheaters? tired of hackers who kill you with one shot grey weapons and infinite life... I hit a guy 5 times with a spear, he had grey stuff and with 0 life points he killed me. I have the screenshot. THIS GAME IS GOING TO DIE due bad dev choices!

Well I reported a few and got a message of player got banned, so...

[delicate solar]

Don't you see anything wrong with your statements? How can you say "How about devs doing nothing against cheaters?" and then say "Well I reported a few and got a message of player got banned" immediately afterwards? Logic much?

Every single D&D patch has the lines about updated anticheat, the first statement about doing nothing is a plain lie.

[wet nebula]

No, devs said they gonna give a second chance to hackers. It has no sense a player go into a game with those game hacks and not get insta ban. That player ruined others players experience, and if people get tired of it, they will unnistall and never come back. Keep deffending bad choices and your game will be dead as soon as posible

[wary jay]

what the f are you talking about

[vestal silo]

ddos?

[jagged dew]

No potty mouth in the discord i will notify the owner

[mystic yarrow]

Do we know the exact changes for each point of strength/agility so on does? Like how much attack speed do I get for a single point of agility?

[wary jay]

so can't say what the fudge? im confused, fudge is only sweet candy

[delicate solar]

"devs said they gonna give a second chance to hackers". Can you expand on that, please?
I will defend any choice the D&D creators make as long as they show a genuine commitment and properly interact with the community. Anyone can make mistakes, nothing wrong about that if your heart is in right place and your general direction is right. You make it sound like they just chose to ignore cheaters which is a complete bs.

[jagged dew]

I could see giving a second chance to dupers or exploiters but cheaters are much different and shouldnt be given another chance

[delicate solar]

That's why I very much want for that person to elaborate about that phrase, where and when exacly it was heard to check it myself. Because I'm pretty sure it was misinterpreted.

[boreal pelican]

idk why devs ban people who use bugs in their game like the duping, i mean yeah its exploits, but its more the developers fault than anything else

[fluid snow]

probably on the dark and darker wiki

[jagged dew]

duping ruins eco for EVERYONE its worse than cheating in a lobby, people who dupe force a rollback or wipe/hotfix cheaters get banned and it ends there

[delicate solar]

Oof. Are you from the people that are going to defend stealing a wallet because the owner left it in a wrong place? "its more the wallet owner fault than anything else", right?

[boreal pelican]

lmao, i offended people to max right here

[earnest atlas]

Well, you said something stupid on the internet

[boreal pelican]

then it was followed by triggered people

[wet nebula]

here you have the link #📢community-announcements message btw, there are more old entries of people saying to no give second chances to cheaters. So maybe devs said that again before, but no time to look for it. Sorry 🙂

[delicate solar]

You didn't offend anyone. I'm just saying letting an opening is one thing. Exploiting it with intent is another.

[jagged dew]

where

[vapid oyster]

you didn't even read it yourself lmao

[lapis haven]

Calling stupidity out isn't really 'triggered', but it was pretty obvious bait

[sonic apex]

Idiotic statement

"Wow so many triggered people!"

[delicate solar]

Thank you for the link. And what exactly you didn't like in that announcement? That IM can't just ban everyone because there could be a false positive on the anticheat?

[lapis haven]

False positive on 5min ago you had x gold, now you have 30k? not much to 'false' on that positive

[rugged sedge]

Hello everyone, please remain civil while having discussions. Have a nice one.

[vapid oyster]

only people caught knowingly playing with cheaters will be given a warning. If you'r caught cheating it's just a ban. I can't tell if you guys are stupid or what lol

[boreal pelican]

man i love quarterstaffs

[delicate solar]

Yes, making up an exaggerated single example is a perfect way to prove I'm wrong ). Yes, on **that ** positive not much to 'false', but there's plenty of another. Do you want an individual approach to everyone?

[boreal pelican]

yes

[delicate solar]

Jeez, do you even code? There's a ton of ways a security system can go wrong, you just can't redflag forever everyone it's interacted with.

[boreal pelican]

lmao

[vapid oyster]

kek

[proven token]

lol

[lapis haven]

For games that gather as much data as they do, flagging accounts for review isn't that difficult. The raw data ALONE of the vast majority of things you'd be banned for is more than enough that a false positive would be rare, but yes - every ban should be reviewed.

[delicate solar]

Ok, I want that too, but it's plainly impossible ).

[proven token]

cheaters buying new accounts and money and gear sinking is the mainincome now. as long as it only happens on the asian servers its fine. no complaints. heck rust even has corrupt admins that give you +10 dmg for 5 $ or the famous VIP passes for cheaters

[wanton otter]

Longbow slow shouldn't be 1.5 seconds

[boreal pelican]

😭 \

[main raven]

It shouldn't be the same slow as the Crossbow lol

[vapid oyster]

it should speed you up

[lapis haven]

wow you got shot somewhere that wasn't the head? musta been sub-15 lobbies

[delicate solar]

That I can agree with.

[wet nebula]

Imagine having a hard day of work... you just want to play a game in goblins map. You enter, with your white and green stuff, thinking you gonna get some gold and maybe improve your equipment. But then, you find a premade of 2 players hacking. Is in that moment when people can get tired of this game, and your player base will decrease. And then it will be so late, because the game will be dead

[vapid oyster]

the 'ol "if they don't do what I say they should the game will die" argument. Never gets old

[lapis haven]

Premade? not even a hacker issue. It's all the full purples teabagging 'normal' crypts. They created HR to incentivize 'geared' people moving out of normal lobbies but there's almost no reason to even bother go to HR. The sweaty players wanna cry about SBMM or gear based MM but forget that 90% of the community is 'casuals' who dont have 30hrs a week to play and 'git gud'

[delicate solar]

I repeat. Every single D&D patch has the lines about updated anticheat, and you said it yourself that reporting works. The statement about IM doing nothing about cheaters is a plain lie so I don't get why you keep saying this. There's no point of shouting at something that's already being handled.

[wet nebula]

keep watching the finger pointing the moon

[daring folio]

is there a way to find “missed connections” with other players? i have an ign but there’s no friend requesting and ppls names are diff between each characters

[vapid oyster]

nope

[lapis haven]

the social aspects of this game are quite awful

[delicate solar]

The devs told they were hoping to get back on Steam so they wouldn't need their own friendlist and other social systems Steam provides, but yeah, it seems they will need to change policy, if not already.

[lapis haven]

well yeah, but slapping together a UI button to 'invite' someone from the 'inspect' or showing more than my last team and show the full lobby instead isn't that hard - and also things we should have on steam as well

[fossil igloo]

I'm not reporting any teaming up anymore, they pretend to give a fck, threaten us, but when I report they don't do shit and also delete my report.

[vapid oyster]

it's not against the rules

[lapis haven]

A conga line of 8 of us in greys ganged up on some Lobsters in capes in ruins earlier tonight...funniest thing i've been part of to date

[fossil igloo]

u're talking about teaming up in solo queue?

[vapid oyster]

yes, it's not against the rules lol

[tranquil perch]

It would be a really bad World to live in, where people have only one shot at being a decent folk. I am OK to give cheaters and exploiters a second chance. Especially if they will help to develop something to protect community from such cheats and exploits. But only ONE second chance.

[lapis haven]

teaming mid match is not, queue sniping to team up is

[idle sky]

In their defense it's nigh impossible to prove. Do you usually provide evidence that it happened?

[tranquil perch]

Cuz nothing rocks as hard as guitar smashed into your face. Also drums. Drums exist.

[lapis haven]

you whiffed the reply target, wasn't me complaining about reports

[barren gazelle]

how many thumbs up to get the blue name?

[idle sky]

Damn crazy lost a 5k gear set off that whiff. RIP

[fossil igloo]

I'm not talking about teaming in game bro, I'm talking about teaming outside the game to play in the solo maps. Of course is, they threatened to ban even the in game team ups bcuz of it

[vapid oyster]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[idle sky]

Do you usually provide evidence that it's happening?

[vapid oyster]

how would you have evidence of that lol

[fossil igloo]

I do, I recorded, posted prints was going to upload the vid too, they killed me without communication, the 2nd dude just came from nowhere to our location, and killed me, and they killed an full ruby dude too

[tranquil perch]

I mean... Lets imagine the situation. You queue in a sub15 lobby early. And you see one dude looking all fancy like a Christmas Tree and all others are literal bums in their default. If someone came to me inside that prep room and said "Hey. Let us all try and rob that B--CH over there and split his loot.", then there is pretty high chance of me saying "The boots are mine.". How is that against rules?

[idle sky]

How is that evidence that they are coordinating to queue snipe and team? It's possible sure but it isn't hard evidence.

[vapid oyster]

it's not

[lapis haven]

Why do you people keep replying to me like I'm @fossil igloo ? My god

[fossil igloo]

I will upload the vid and u see by urself, anyway they could've said exactly what u said now, but they just preferred to delete it

[subtle heart]

because you smell like him

[fossil igloo]

imagine the situation, u're fighting a dude, then a second dude that was coming from another part of the map rushing to u arive, kill u and just start looting ur body with the other dude, no communication, no awareness of the other player, and they just start walking together. Exactly what happened btw

[vapid oyster]

you know people were teaming before voip, right

[idle sky]

While that does make it a possibility that they did it, that really isn't definitive evidence. It sucks they're deleting your report and not replying to you, I could recommend you message a mod directly and ask them why they are doing it, they do reply to dms... at least some of them do.

You are never going to get a ban for evidence like that though, it's just too hard to prove and while I agree it sucks it's necessary as to not ban innocent people in the crossfire.

[tranquil perch]

You know, I kinda find it hilarious. When poor players out of their luck are complaining about inability to earn gold, because they are stomped all the time by "that caped guy" - we call it funny. But when those same poor people gather and collectively shut down such "that caped guy" - it is suddenly against the rules. Lolwut?

[fossil igloo]

no communication at all dude, stop forcing it, no one is chill with other player, ppl without voip usuallly crouch or raise hands, to try to team, they just casually started looting me together bro

[halcyon basalt]

Does the Will stat boost Bard songs?

[vapid oyster]

k

[fossil igloo]

I really don't give a fck about teamming, what bothers me is that they threatened in game team up if the out game teams persist, so I insisted

[lapis haven]

again, i think the issue is that they don't even seem to be caring enough to investigate - which honestly, right now in dev? they proably dont care enough about the .1% teamer

@fossil igloo you know you can't hear other people's VoIP on spectate...right?

@tranquil perch if you're calling it funny, you're part of the problem and why this game is going to devolve into 15min queues like Tarkov

[idle sky]

I really don't mean to be rude but I actually can't tell what you're saying here.

@lapis haven As far as I know, they do take it seriously. They investigate things if you give them proper evidence. I got someone banned before you just need like proper evidence of the rule breaking.

[fossil igloo]

yeah I know, I'm talking about when I was alive for 5 secs while they meet up

[fossil igloo]

no problem brother, mb, they said before they will be banning all ppl who team up in solo maps bcuz of teams queue sniping, and it kinda cap ur liberty in game and force u to an playstyle, that's why I take it personal to report.

[idle sky]

Did they say that? I do not recall them saying that could you point out where or when they said that?

[vapid oyster]

they didn't

[tranquil perch]

Nah, I am definitely not "that caped guy". My stash usually contains like 200 gold maximum, since I am not good at the game, really. And I was stomped by those lobsters and such many times to understand, that teaming up against that bastard is the real strategy. Even if he is able to wipe 3/4 of lobby one by one by sheer value of power in his equipment, someone will get him eventually. He gets the PvP he so desires and some of us, the bums with no gold, will finally earn some loot and satisfaction. Besides, I don't play Tarkov and thus I don't know what its community like, but I'd imagine that the game based on the same concept as Tarkov will finally "devolve" (or "evolve", based on your perspective) in that same Tarkov.

[fossil igloo]

they did, search for when they removed othe last portal from gc and said about banning ppl if it persist

[vapid oyster]

they didn't lol

[idle sky]

Before we take the heavy -handed approach of banning teaming outright, we will try and dis-incentivizing undesirable behavior through in-game mechanics. Are you talking about this? I took this as: "We don't want to ban people for teaming, so we're just disincentivizing it instead"

[empty gulch]

they never said they would be banning teaming outright lmao, even if it was, so many innocent ppl trying to take advantages of a 1v1 they run across will just be blamed for teaming cause they came through and cleaned up

[vapid oyster]

gotta learn to read

[idle sky]

I mean hey, if third-partying or 4th partying becomes illegal I'll have so many people to report, cause that's where all my good gear sets get lost to.

[lapis haven]

yknow what disincentivizes teaming? not getting rolled by full kit peeps for 3 hours before extracting with 40g in jewels and an upgrade in gear (woo! Whites!)

[cedar ember]

If there is accurate evidence to prove planned teaming, users will be permanently banned.```

this is the only thing Ive ever seen about banning for teaming

[vapid oyster]

that's planned teaming

[fossil igloo]

hahahaha yeah that's it, I remember it with other words. edit actually not, it's the @cedar ember one below

[wanton otter]

The Bannable Teaming is for using the matchmaking in low population regions and trying to group with the matchmaker.

[cedar ember]

Yea thats what I'm saying. Only thing Ive ever seen. I'm joining the conversation late though. My bad

[fossil igloo]

Actually that's what I'm talking about

[empty gulch]

like, if i see a caped kitted person, you bet your ass imma help the other naked across the room try to take them down, then kill them after if possible.

[tranquil perch]

What exactly separates "BEFORE" and "AFTER"? Is looking at someone's gear in the lobby counts as "before"?

[vapid oyster]

that's not planned teaming, it's not complicated lol

[idle sky]

Yeah that's just third partying, you see two people having a fight and you choose one side to punish with the intent of winning the fight yourself.

[cedar ember]

I'd say before means before you leave the lobby. If you are in discord planning to queue at the same time as others in an attempt to roll as a 6 person group (in trio for example), then you will be punished.

[tranquil perch]

I shall partake.

[eager plover]

Hey guys, I went in the goblins caves twice now, to get ''error return to lobby''

[fossil igloo]

That's exactly what I'm talking about, that's what I reported

[cedar ember]

If you're in the pregame lobby, "matchmaking" has already finished by putting all of the players in a game. Thats my interpretation.

[tranquil perch]

Got it. That's is reasonable.

[vapid oyster]

if you say so

[jagged dew]

god its so fun being chased cross map by mobs hope they fix that

[fossil igloo]

I couldn't find a word to it, that's what I was meaning to outside game teaming, I'm not native speaker and I'm sleepy

[cedar ember]

Yea, theyll chase you forever I think. I only really like playing Ruins, so I can't speak for Goblin Caves, but the doors are a great way to stop a mob from chasing you.

Sometimes you get unlucky and a mob will break the door though. Skeleton Archer/Crossbowman and Cockatrice are notorious for that.

[fossil igloo]

in gobo u need to let them agro other player to stop chasing u lol

[cedar ember]

Oh man. That sounds awful. I played a few goblin cave runs and I didn't like it so much that I will just solo queue Ruins. I think Ruins is the best map in the game so far, personally.

[fossil igloo]

I feel u, crypts is my 1# but ruins have more g chests so better loot

[indigo schooner]

FIGHTERS ARE BETTER RANGERS, CHANGE MY MIND

[fossil igloo]

can u triple shot and give them slow?

[cedar ember]

Full plate fighter with crossbow. An absolute menace.

[indigo schooner]

no but you can hit just as hard as a ranger either with crossbow or reg bow, than you dont take as much damage because you can run full plate, and if they get pushed they can defend themselves because they can actually fight up close compared to rangers,

[tranquil perch]

Can't have traps, without any burst damage, require a whole perk slot to be somewhat effective at ranged. So, NO. They aren't. The thing is, ranger requires a specific setup to work and specific mind set. While fighter is just well rounded character overall, thus is much more easy to perform "decent". All the while he won't be "good" at nothing. In fact, the only thing fighters ARE good is in turning themselves in the walking tank with all the physical reduction they are able to get. Which is, in its own turn, makes them a walking target practice for warlocks and mages.

[thin fulcrum]

kinda bullshit to get disconnected from a game and lose everything.

[proud gale]

PLEASE nerf engame gear rogue… its unplayable no matter what gear you have if a rogue spawns in your face gives u 3 stabs runs away cuz hes fast af and u die even with purple gear….

[floral sluice]

hmm.. goblin caves full of purples now when you hit 15? that's fun

[jagged dew]

LETS GOOOO I LOVE HR NERF I LOVE GOOPERS WHEN IM NAKED CAUSE HR IS 150G TO ENTER NOW!

[floral sluice]

a guy killed me, he was in purples, and stacked with pots/bandages, only for him to get killed by another purple, lol

[eager plover]

read last patch notes

[clear arrow]

jesus u must suck badddddd to die to a rogue rn

[mystic epoch]

Damn you must be really bad lmao

[indigo schooner]

traps are easily heards and visible, not really that good, but as a fighter you can run a crossbow for free no perk needed, while tanking MULTIPLE arrows, you can basically walk down a ranger and out ranger them lmaoo

[proud gale]

if i play fighter and he gets out 3 stabs while i get out 2 swings….. has nothing to do with skill if i hit everything in the timeframe and he aswell…

[clear arrow]

have u reasd the patch notes, have you even played rogue lmfaoooo. dying to a rogue means your absolute dogass at this point

[mystic epoch]

They just got nerfed into the ground. If you couldn't kill the literal loot pinata of a rogue then that's on you bruv

[proud gale]

u must be a cool person to go after people this ignorantly…

[clear arrow]

ignorantly isnt the word, polay rogue if u kill anyone in ur first 10 games ill give u 1k gold, class is terrible rn

[proud gale]

starting gear rogue is ass bro im just talking about engame gear

[clear arrow]

endgame rogue lost weakpoint, ambush, an extra perk for hide, and they LOST SPEED this patch, HOW ARE YOU LOSING LMFAO

[indigo schooner]

fighters should be like barb, onyl throwables and no bows,

[proud gale]

gimme engame gear as rogue i will kill anyone

[tranquil perch]

Dude. As one who plays fighter AND ranger I can tell you what: there is no World in which you can simply WALK DOWN a ranger if he is prepared. Additionally, it doesn't matter that traps are heard and visible. People walk into them ALL THE DAMN TIME. And I am also able to literally place it down while they try to attack me, it is really hilarious to see, really. If I know, that I am not going to die from next two hits with 1 handed weapon - I just place the trap and walk away with tripshot ready.

[jagged dew]

"if hes prepared" need i say more

[clear arrow]

if someones prepared usually they wont lose lol

[uneven nebula]

My boy and i became friends with this other duo in HR crypts, and guess which team turned on the other first to take all of their stuff?

[tranquil perch]

No, wrong. Fighter is fighter. He should be able to wield whatever weapon. Though, I would love to see his perks being the thing that defines what kind of a fighter you play. There should be a perk that makes him better with one particular type of fighting instead of a perk that just gives him ability to wield all weapons.

[jagged dew]

them because if it was you, youwouldnt be here if you did it

[uneven nebula]

Unlucky guess, I am here because we did it. I saw him reaching for his gun man I had to do it

[indigo schooner]

see when i think of fighter i think of agile swordsman, there's classes for a reason, they should not have everything?? there would be no point in having specific classes,

[tranquil perch]

Yes. If you know that you are to face someone behind that door, if you have the traps, if you have your situational awareness, if you chose your surroundings wise. As I've said before - fighter is just an allrounder, so he is "decent" at anything, but not as "good" as specialists are. When you play ranger - you don't play like fighter and vice versa. Fighter is simple - you see the target, you analyze approach and you try to eliminate that target. When you play ranger - you basically playing "Home alone" the game. You place traps, you prepare the field and you either lure someone in or at least don't allow them to come close. Fighter can't be better ranger, because he can't even play like one. You can play fighter in RANGE, but you will never play ranger.

[clear arrow]

each class should have a subclass spec tho, fighter duelist (slayer, longsword) fighter tank(tank)

[faint canopy]

dude ruins is easily the worst map by far in the game right now xddd. like 40% of the surface area is completely dark, the loot is the worst out of any of the dungeons. only upside for the ruins is that you have relative easy acces to a few golden chests.

[cedar ember]

ok

[indigo schooner]

because fighter doesnt have to run and hide when playing range, he can simply walk down people tanking shots lmaooo, thats exactly why hes a better ranger

[tranquil perch]

Fighter doesn't equal swordsman. Fighter is someone who specializes in FIGHTING. With swords, axes, maces, bows, whatever you have. What I am saying is I'd prefer the perks of fighter to flesh out what EXACT type of fighting he wants to be specialist in instead of just giving him an access to all weapon. In fact, I believe he should have an access to all weapons BY DEFAULT.

[indigo schooner]

hm, so like if he specs into bows, you cant run plate and be so tanky?

[tranquil perch]

If you need to walk someone down - you ain't playing ranger, dummy. Ranger is a ranged specialist. Fighter is fighter and will never be as good at fighting at range, like someone who's have it as his literal job description.

[lilac zealot]

Does crushing chests as a barbarian reduce item rates? I had a friend run HR goblin caves and all he got was whites and grays from all of the chests he smashed.

[tranquil perch]

Yup. Or getting some additional damage with two-handers, but lowers his damage with one-handers. Or getting some boost to action speed while holding a shield and etc.

[tranquil perch]

Nah. It just makes you real loud. Not unlike bards, lol. The difference is: one is smashing doors, chests and heads while screaming, while other is smashing drums, gropes chests and cracks heads with lute.

[lilac zealot]

Okay, guess the HR rates for loot aren't great or something... or my friend was really unlucky

[tulip cloud]

If you’ve ever seen a Ranger running triple shot and penetrating shot with a longbow you would know that Fighter is absolutely not a better Ranger lmao. Fighter’s goose gets cooked in a ranged 1v1 against an experienced Ranger

[tranquil perch]

Hear, hear!

[slim eagle]

Whats the difference between + weapon damage and + additional physical damage when using a physical weapon?

[clear arrow]

wd gets affected by multipliers unlike phys damage BUT phys damage applys to abilities like achielles heel

[tranquil perch]

Weapon damage is your base damage that goes into formula to calculate your chance at one-shotting someone with the axe in the head, while additional damage is something that applies ADDITIONALLY to every attack that is physical in nature.

[slim eagle]

Ahhh okay great, thanks both!

[subtle heart]

Why did I get banned for mentioning the other games similar to dark and darker <@&1019888848773328936>

[clear arrow]

against rules i think, dodging bans is too i think'

[subtle heart]

They silenced me for an hour without a reason

[clear arrow]

what mssg did u say

[floral sluice]

what games are similar to dark and darker?

[subtle heart]

It was hours ago in general chat asking about what’s up with the clones coming out the last few weeks

[delicate solar]

Sorry, slow mode ). It's not against the rules. I discussed both Greed is Good and Project Crawl many times here. It's something more specific.

[clear arrow]

maybe they jsut hate you

[worn palm]

maybe sending 4 messages shit talking dark and darker and advertising another game is not allowed , who would have thought

[subtle heart]

The mods in this server are really crazy. They all do their own thing and it’s inconsistent with what is with the rules. They shouldn’t be silencing people for no reason

[clear arrow]

^ you shoulda seen when they chat slowed rogue chat for hella long cus we were complainging bout nerf

[subtle heart]

Where in the rules does it say this server is only for hyping the game?

[worn palm]

common decency?

[subtle heart]

That’s incredibly subjective. It wasn’t against the rules therefore no punishment should be administered

[worn palm]

also breaking [11] - Do not discuss moderation in public. Moderation decisions are final and are not to be discussed in the community channels. If you take issue with the way a moderator has handled a situation, please DM @Graysun or a <@&1019888848773328936> regarding your concern. right now so.

[subtle heart]

Well none of them make it known when the silence you so kind of hard to bring it to anyone’s attention

[empty gulch]

i mean, if you're silenced it kinda means you got hit with a punishment which prolly means to read some rules, but who does that lmao, take some accountability

[subtle heart]

And which rule would I know I’m breaking? To me it’s none. Sounds like you’re a little low on the iq @empty gulch

[empty gulch]

it doesnt matter which ones, hell could be a accidental. but BREAKING a rule to rage about it isnt going to help lmaoo

[clear arrow]

He should at least get told what he broke lmao, otherwise it’s bad modding

[subtle heart]

Been in this discord a lot longer than you boy. Which rule did I break?

[empty gulch]

man, you really don't know how to read, good luck bud I'm sure they'll accept you back with open arms lmao

[subtle heart]

White knighting is gross homie. Parasocial behavior like yours is dangerous @empty gulch seek help.

[tranquil perch]

Agree. You should be held responsible even if you didn't know what you are responsible for, sure, BUT! You need to be told what exactly is your mistake was to prevent further problems.

[subtle heart]

Everyone can see the last messages earlier this evening I posted before i was silenced. Steam links are allowed. There’s nothing in the rules that state we can’t talk about similar games

[worthy cradle]

You are a hero and a scholar.
Many a song will be sung about your sacrifice for a just cause.

[worn palm]

Read rule 5 again, and ask yourself how you aren't spamming. and the mods have no way of knowing if you are part of another game if you keep spamming it 😉

[subtle heart]

I’ve personally given graysun $5 for food. I know what I’m talking about

[empty gulch]

judging by how you react I feel like thats more likely why you got slapped, I even said it could be accidental but again, you can't seem to read that part for some reason. Besides you're going about it in such a toxic way lmao but anyone saying something different is a "white knight"

[clear arrow]

gross, cringe, ew

[subtle heart]

I bet you call women females

[empty gulch]

and I bet didn't bother to read the reason you were banned lmao

[subtle heart]

They don’t give reason for silences or bans homie

[empty gulch]

damn, must of tried making you a mod with your vast knowledge of this discord and amazing personality and accidently miss clicked

[subtle heart]

I’m sorry you’re so angry

[main raven]

Crossbows with Pen Shot and Crossbow Mastery are even more insane.

The ultimate meme is throwing Forceful Shot in there; land your first shot and your target literally cannot get to you before he dies.

[subtle heart]

I have never hated rangers more than I do now. Unless we are a buffball team or the circumstances of a fight are in our favor, I always die to rangers solo,duo or trio. (A good ranger).
Im not counting noob rangers.

I woke up today and i honeatly dont feel like playing just cuz i know ill encounter more rangers...

So im here to ask yall how you guys keep sane

[mild zephyr]

Just waiting for the big update honestly

[jagged dew]

a base rogue would have to stab a base barb in the chest 17 times to kill if barb uses his abilities just saying and he can one shot rogues

[empty gulch]

base barb can't catch a rogue unless they have fists out and rage going, when the barb pulls out fists start stabbing and the instant you see the draw aniamtion start running agian

[jagged dew]

yeah but theres a speed cap now so no one can outrun a barb that has medium-high gear he also wins a fist vs knife fight

[empty gulch]

you said base gear tho

[jagged dew]

it was an example in med-high gear its probably 28 stabs to the chest

[empty gulch]

I mean before hand barb was the only thing that COULD survive a rogue attack, probably rogues biggest counter and it's just now more evident after the rogue nerfs. every class has other classes that kinda stomp em. Like rangers stomping Barbarians (unless you got the jump on a ranger and got in melee range, at that point the ranger has failed regardless)

[brittle verge]

anyone know the barb discord

[vast creek]

🚽

[rugged galleon]

link me too pls

[brittle verge]

you need a shit?

[subtle pawn]

Gambesons need to be made more accessible bc no one sells them. Please make one available at traders by default

[weak umbra]

just buy them when they are avaliable

[brittle verge]

red mummys in whisp spawn drops them regulary

[eternal axle]

how much damage dies cave troll do?

[wicked tendon]

1800 i think it should be on the wiki https://darkanddarker.wiki.spellsandguns.com/Dark_and_Darker_Wiki

[peak sleet]

I don’t have the exact dmg but it’s obviously not 1.8k dmg since cleric can tank hit some times

[proud gale]

guys i just got teamed on in a solo rounds. the 2 players playing together all game i have evidence i saved with shadowplay. how can i report it?

[wicked tendon]

i thought it was asking for trolls health not dps soory troll hits for like 200 dead center sweet spot but idk the rest of his values

[merry gulch]

dont think they do anything bout teaming, otherwise there would be a ingame report for it

[proud gale]

i think they said it once that its bannable

[wicked tendon]

you have to be able to prove the teamed before the roudn started otherwise its fair play

[olive wind]

nerf cleric and buff the gutted rogue pls

[merry gulch]

no shot, i see people teaming every run

[proud gale]

its not fair play if they run around together all game i spectated till the end they looted together and teamed other players... its not like they just teamed for the fight against me. they are literally premade.... i saved it all in shadowplay the whole round. i died after like 3 mins vs them. how is it fair play if i go into a solo dungeon and this happens

[merry gulch]

4/6 games of ruins yesterday there was 4 mans running around clapping the lobby

[wicked tendon]

i make friends in the lobby before you enter the dungeon they might have as well. unless you can prove premade its fair because anyone can do that but if you really thinks its premade i think tickets has instructions on reporting in discord

[ebon palm]

funny party about goblin caves is you can walk in their geared as hell and nobody will bat an eye, but you wear a CAPE in the pre-game lobby, some sped will start shouting for everyone to team on you and suddently the ENTIRE lobby is out to kill you lmfao.

[proud gale]

it doesnt matter if you make friends in the lobby. its literally the same thing xDDDDD

[wicked tendon]

its explicitly allowed by the devs if its a natrual occurence and not planned before the lobby starts

[peak sleet]

I think when you report them, the support can have the logs on if they join then leave lobbies until they are together.
So yeah if they are teaming by crouch spamming and then proceed to kill you can’t complain a lot unfortunately it’s how the game work

[merry gulch]

yeah thats wack, i understand not being forced to fight, but if u fight with any numbers above entry limits you should be at least lightly punished

because in goblin caves if 3 ppl group up u just die if 2 team group in ruins u just lose conditional teaming is wack

[wicked tendon]

not nessecerly gob caves is where poor people like me play if you have blue+ gear you can pretty easily 1 v 3

[merry gulch]

yeah but what about the new players who dont have any blue gear and are doing runs with all whites u just auto lose unless ur playing the current rotational class :/

[peak sleet]

You restart another game

[wicked tendon]

or just team up as well your acting like only a select group can team when its super easy for anyone to team

[merry gulch]

every time i have run into a team and tried to be friends with them they just run me down, ur acting like everyone wants to let u live in a looter

[proud gale]

i understand that its fine if you crouch spam and then be friendly with each other but i dont think its fine if you then team up on other players and run around together the whole dungeon run. whats the purpose if going into a solo dungeon just to get teamed on. this should be bannable like in literally every other game.

[wicked tendon]

90% of games with voip allow teaming as long as its not pre planned

[proud gale]

thats bs homie hahah

[wicked tendon]

EFT has no rules on teaming, this game has nor ules on teaming (excluding pre planned of course), The cycle frontier allows it if you use voip to do it or coruch spam, hunt showdown follows the same rules maybe you can try naming a looter game where this isnt the case obviously destiny doesnt count btw

[peak sleet]

As a pvpve it’s tolerate, it’s not a BR So yeah i understand your frustration, it also happened to me,
I also got betray while crouch spamming,
But usually, ppl if there’s a real threat ( meaning a guy juiced up ) i’d be totally find to kill it him first instead of just dying against him

[hallow reef]

I so so hope tuesday takes care of disgusting rangers as well

[merry gulch]

the issue with ur arguement is then in every match we should just go get 10 players and kill everyone else and thats fair and their fault cuz the other 8 didnt group, you just end up making a worse issue by making it conditional cuz now its literally he said she said. oh but i met them in game, oh but they shoulda just out numberd us back.

[subtle pawn]

they -really- need to take horseman's axe away from barbs

[wicked tendon]

well it is though if they lost a fight because of numbers they should have better used their resources what your saying is comparable to i had a hleath potion but didnt use it because i might have needed it latter but i died because the other guy used theirs thats unfair.

[merry gulch]

not true, because the value of a larger party number on party size locked maps is way higher, and u didnt even read it lol it has nothing to do with resources.

[wild jay]

Just got booted unreal crashed can't connect to server either

[wicked tendon]

the value of something doesnt mean anything yes a bigger team is obviously significantly better but you could have also been the bigger team

[merry gulch]

yes but if everyone does this every match then what is the point in party limit?

[wicked tendon]

because betrayels can happen your party is the only team you can actually trust eveyone else could be biding their time to get you in the back also loot division 8 kills amongst 10 people is like no loot

[merry gulch]

with 10 ppl u dont even have to kill players to loot, u can loot the entire inferno with just that. if the 10 players work together they will out loot anyone yeah u wont fill on loot as quick. but u will loot areas and move thru the map faster making looting easier and since 10v1-3 isnt much of a challenge u basically get the map to ur group

[wicked tendon]

how is anyone gonna coordinate a mass map clear without using outside comms also you acting like its easy to pvp with 10 people bunched together theyd likely kill each other accidently missing would result in mass histeria theres a reason most teams are 2-6 2 and 3 in gc 4 5 6 in crypts

[merry gulch]

pvping with 10 ppl wouldnt be hard at all, unless ur literally all melee there is no issue and cordination map looting wouldnt be hard either, literally make to to red portals all go down loot starting room meet at center whole map is looted, if u run into someone ask where they looted its only 9 rooms, and they wouldnt even have to clear map they just make it to a treasure hoard and everyone is full

[plain egret]

stop the stacking of 3 ranger 3 rogue its cringe and nerf ranger or stupid slowing affect on arrow hits

[subtle pawn]

Ranger barb and wizard def need a look at. As well as a nerf on blow of corruption

[wicked tendon]

how 4/4 of ranged classes have aoe attacks 2/4 have shitty traps that anyone can run into rouges exist and only their really teammates can see them and new nerfs mean they prolly cant stealth anymore also crypts is 19 rooms anyone teaming beyond 6 needs help with ai otherwise the loot is more valuable so clearing hell just aint possible for them and treasure hoards can only be looted 10 times

[merry gulch]

ur not forced to use aoe attacks, if ur ranged u dont even have to get near the guy. u could have 3 wizards 3 rangers and 2 fighters 2 clerics and would have no issues running someone down. only 4 are melee and they dont even have to fight ppl, they could just zone control. to keep them off ur 6 ranged. and arrows arnt aoe u can spray 3 rangers at someone and have 0 issues. and if ur melees are just zone control u can use as much aoe as u want

[wild jay]

What is this conversation rn y'all need a nap

[wheat fractal]

Yeah bro that's never going to work. Sorry

[wicked tendon]

but how are they gonna communicate that effectively with voip these are some decent srats but randoms arnt going to be able to do that with just voip

[merry gulch]

it takes 2 words. dont push

ur acting like its hard to hit the person ur aiming at and not ppl next to u. 90% of the time a ranger or wizard isnt going to be hugging a door or withing inchs of someone useless they get jumped. especially if they have a melee with them. have u ever 3 man teammed with a melee ranger and wizard, its not hard to not hit ppl

[wooden locust]

anyone by chanc giving away cleric gear :)))))))

[wheat fractal]

Cbf reading your entire conversation but if you think 10 player lobbies would be good for this game you are fried

[merry gulch]

because unless ur picking up solos the whole way, u already have groups of 3 ppl cordinating with each other. so its only like orginzing 3-4 ppl not 10 since they already working with ppl

[wicked tendon]

yes with 3 people now imagine ten conga lineing through a door your giving way to much credit to randoms heck half the lfg teamates ive had cant understand dont push or pull back how are people not even teamed gonna follow that

[fiery pawn]

IRONMACE STOP BALANCING THE GAME YOU ARE IN EARLY ACCES MAKE THE GAME FUN AND SEE AFTER FOR COMPETITITVE

[merry gulch]

@wheat fractal u didnt read the arguement where it stared. i think any teaming above entry req is horrible for the game, thats what this is all about is Conditional teaming is not ok, is what im getting at

[weak umbra]

[versed tinsel]

woodsword

[wheat fractal]

Yeah teaming is braindead AF, should be able to report it

[merry gulch]

i agree it should have a ingame report. you shouldnt be forced to fight, but u shouldnt be aloud to outnumber the entry req in any fight

[wheat ferry]

There's a kid crying in the rogue chat that is just the most delicious thing

[wicked tendon]

your working with 3 at the start then you have to find another squad comm them hope they agree hope they dont back stab you hope they arnt braindead do that a second time with randoms only using voip and emotes then communicate the strat and execute yeah seems a little less than possible to me

[tulip cloud]

Windlass with Pen does more penetration in a single shot and is absolutely disgusting if you get a headshot, but Longbow with Triple shot and Pen shot against PDR is just BIS. You can maybe get 2 good crossbow shots before the pen shot duration runs out but with a Longbow Triple you can get 4-5 and still keep them rooted in place with leg shots. Chest or head and you’re laughing while they’re punching their keyboards.

[merry gulch]

less than possible? i could make it happen in 1 day, its not even hard. if conditional teaming is staying in the game it will become a problem and then it will be more common and then i wouldnt be suprised if it happens every game

[wicked tendon]

prove it then ill concede upon seeing the clip of a fully cleared hell with 10 people i expect it by 8:15 tommorow

[merry gulch]

u already have matchs where 6 ppl group u dont think 1 solo and 1 team would join a 6 man already walking around

[wheat fractal]

I've had 6 people loot the troll loot together in the goblin caves back when it was a gold lootable pike

[wicked tendon]

yeah ive done that its not hard with 6 thats at most 2 squads in gc it is a little harder but gc is a teamers dream since all the broke people are there

[wheat fractal]

Would you not say that it's a problem regardless of any micro boundaries that you are putting on it, 2-3 people in the goblin caves teamed up will roll the entire lobby. Teaming is a problem

[wild jay]

That's an issue with pdr being terribly OP not with crossbows, bows or anything else

[merry gulch]

its already a problem where id say if u que for 10 games u prob have a at least 1-2 of those minimum will have a team of ppl who got friendly and made a bigger than entry group.

[wraith folio]

Naked torso running about needs to leave the player properly exposed

[wicked tendon]

but anyone can team its only a problem when its unfair but anyone can do it so its not unfair

[wild jay]

Dude if you microanalyze every single problem you're gonna just end up with a ton of problems at the end of the day. Just run away lol

[wheat fractal]

Yes it is unfair, if it wasn't they wouldn't need to put a group limit up, clearly numbers = win equal skill equal gear are you delusional

[wicked tendon]

your acting like you cant also team up (what your saying is comparable to I had a health potion but didn't use it because I might have needed it later but I died because the other guy used theirs that's unfair. )

[wild jay]

Idk teaming is kinda rare in my opinion lots of people will just slice you in the back. Like if something only happens 1 in 10 games then that's not what I'm focused on fr

[merry gulch]

i had 4/6 games on ruins where im solo looting and just get run down by 4 stacks. ive had countless games of gob caves where a 3-4 man group is just walking around killing on sight but not each other, ive even seen as far as a cheated leading a group of 3 ppl around the map, calling out where ppl are thru walls

[wheat fractal]

It doesn't matter, some have it easier then others, you think it's fair for a streamer to get all their viewers to come into a game and steam roll a lobby. Oh wait you could do that too, just become a streamer too and run an entire lobby. That's such a bad take bro

[wicked tendon]

streamers doing it counts as using out of game methods so that is bannable for them

[tulip cloud]

The conversation sprang up hours ago how fighter is a better Ranger than Ranger because he has PDR and can use Bow which simply is not the case. The guy I replied to was just agreeing with my point and giving Crossbow + pen shot an honorable mention I only replied late because I’m working.

Personally I don’t feel as if PDR is OP in any other place than GC and maybe Ruins simply due to the fact that most teams will have a counter to it either in the form of armor pen or magic damage. In the right setting against people who only do physical damage though yeah it’s absolutely disgusting.

[wild jay]

I've never seen more than 2 lol so I'm sorry about your experience but for me that's just a nonissue

[subtle pawn]

Streamers do need to be banned for accepting gifts and trading help tbh it's a big problem

[wheat fractal]

How do they police that. Just let you review it all? Rather make it team=ban that's it

[merry gulch]

you have to have proof* it was pre planned

[wild jay]

You know naked rogues used to be able to kite mobs to those people and kill at least one and die for it but they nerfed rogue to the ground because people legitimately just hate the invis mechanic itself

[wicked tendon]

they cant but no game can "I prefer dangerous freedom over peacfull slavery" - some guy i heard about in HS

[wheat fractal]

You say that till every group does it to win. Then you're back in here complaining, this game is numbers = win. You know it's true. Your it's fine everyone can do it is so flawed. You could say that about any exploit in any game ever. It's a terrible argument

[tulip cloud]

That’s literally every game though and if developers crack down on it they’re quite literally biting the hand that feeds. Like it or not streamers keep interest and interaction for games going.

[subtle pawn]

They really don't, that's a huge myth. And every game needs to be banning streamers for accepting in game gifts they have been ruining gaming for quite some time.

[tulip cloud]

Says you. In what way are they not generating interest and interaction and how do I get the crack you’re clearly smoking?

[wicked tendon]

if every group was going to do it why havn't they already if this is such a bad problem why hasn't it affected EFT, Hunt Showdown, The Cycle frontier, etc

[wild jay]

Yeah I mean they can use a bow, it's not like they have triple shot lol. But fighters are hella powerful and need some sort of nerf. I mean obviously. The trade post is full of fighters and even the discord is full of biased fighters

[subtle pawn]

They don't. The top .01% of streamers do, but no your average 200-2k viewer streamer is not generating shit

[wild jay]

I think that's a nonissue like who is it hurting? Lol they're playing the game and sometimes they just die and lose that loot

[tulip cloud]

Your average 200-2k viewer streamer are the .01% for this game lmao. Sure a big streamer from Tarkov might play the game once or twice but the consistent streamers are the ones building communities around games and keeping the lifeblood pumping.

[subtle pawn]

gaming is better with out streaming and streamers getting special priveleges isn't worth the couple hundred people they collectively bring to a game

[wild jay]

Idk I just been playin goblin caves and I had hella extractions, running bare, lvl 20 and was having minimal issues fr

[wheat fractal]

you are comparing completely different games, it's like saying wall hacks in Cs aren't overly powered, valorant and overwatch has ability so you can see through walls. Tarkov you can full kill a squad with one mag very easily the cycle is dead. You are terrible and coming up with a decent point. Teaming is broken everyone knows it

[fiery pawn]

did u menber when game was more fun but less balance ? coz ppl prefer that

[wild jay]

This is such a bad take lol. There are wipes dude, people giving people gear doesn't matter

[subtle pawn]

you have no idea the extent of items people like kenknobi and jaygriftyuh get on a daily basis.

[wild jay]

Ohhhh I see what you mean that does influence leaderboard results, but yeah I mean what can you do? Stream snipe them lol fuggit

[wheat ferry]

I hate streamers as much as the next guy but damn dude. Are they out to get you

[wicked tendon]

maybe id bring up a decent point if it was someone worth bringing it up for but i know i cant change your mind because when you argue with a fool you are only being foolish also all these games are extraction baesed instance fighters with super fast kill times and you didnt argue why Hunt wasnt a good example maybe instead of insulting someone smarter than you come up with a real arguement for why your right

[merry gulch]

yeah that hasnt been my experiences XD 80% of my matchs i either fight a blatent cheater who is buffing on the otherside of a door after i had been sitting still for like 10m then proceeds to swithc from bow to melee before he opens door. also had 50% of matchs where someone is grouping. and at least 20% where the group has a cheater walling for them, where u just hear thru the wall oh there is a guy coming thru that door. oh look behind u in the corner

[celest anvil]

anyone got really bad stutters on a pc that should smash the game?

[empty sigil]

I must be playing a different game.

[wheat ferry]

Do you know what the word hyperbole means?

[merry gulch]

do know what report confirmation means?

[wild jay]

Look bruh I just be avoiding people at all costs they kill themselves, if I gotta fight tho then it's on. Also dude like people can hear your footsteps. I can know where your standing just from that. I can hear you slurp potions, drop equipment, stand up, sit down. Etc

[empty sigil]

No I don't, explain?

[wicked tendon]

The game tells you when they get the report and they will inform you in game if your report led to a ban

[empty sigil]

I thought it always tells you it banned even if it didn't.

That's amazing that 4/5 games you are reporting a cheater that gets banned. I must not be able to tell if people are cheating as well as you.

[merry gulch]

it makes it easy when ur a rogue that sits in corners and they call u out thru a wall

[wheat ferry]

I want to see his spreadsheet that tracks all of the people he's reported and those who've been banned so we're not just viewing the confirmation bias of 1/50 people being banned

[half zenith]

4/5 games is cope. I’ve seen like 5 cheaters I’m 300+ hours

[merry gulch]

i havent played nearly as many matchs as u guys i only got it recently, but most my low level matchs 1-15 have 1 cheater who runs the looby

[wheat ferry]

"Trust me guys, every person I think is cheating is and they messaged me personally that I'm the hero this game needs"

[night pasture]

why does belts and arrows are treated like thrash? im not a big fan of purchasing bolts every single match

[wild jay]

Sometimes I encounter cheaters? Like very rarely tho. I'm US east tho

[empty sigil]

I feel like discord and reddit would be flooded with ppl complaining (cause some people seem enjoy the drama more than the game)

This game is poorly coded with how it's assets are built and cheating will be very easy.

[wheat fractal]

Not gonna argue hunt because I don't play it, would you rather I make something up for a game I don't play, so it's fine to compare extraction based games and not fps games when they definitely have completely different play styles. How about the fact that idk they all have guns? Dark and darker doesn't. If they wanted people to team why have a team limit at all?

[wheat ferry]

Is someone saying there isn't teaming in hunt? They're up in the night ha ha

[wheat fractal]

This guy's like teaming isn't a problem because everyone could theoretically do it, so it's fine

[wicked tendon]

The same applies to those other games also hunt has viable melee options so get rekt scrub your point is invalid

[wheat ferry]

I don't think teaming is really that big of a problem lol

[wheat fractal]

Oh lol your a child, not even going to bother. Wow that immature ig

[wicked tendon]

Teaming exists im just saying just like how it isn’t a problem in hunt it isn’t a problem here because he thinks just because the way you kill people is different means teaming would be any different

[wicked tendon]

Maybe if you weren’t such a brick wall you’d see the eloquence in my words however thee lack eth the Brian power to comprehend anything I’ve said

[merry gulch]

the most blatent cheater i have seen was "HOBOJACK" killed entire goblin cave was a fighter who opened a door beside me, im sitting in invis, i look at door i see nothing. i just hear footsteps walk in then he appears 2 taps me, then dissapeared again, mind u i was invis the whole time and not moving or making noise, now idk what cheats he had other than walls but he was banned maybe 10 hours after?

[wild jay]

It's not even that big of a deal. You lost some loot. Are you gonna be mad about the wipe this Tuesday too? I understand blatant teaming is bad but like it's not nearly as common as you claim

[static mural]

Bard is really weak and needs a buff. I really think bard should get a song that gives them full set of unique gear. They should also have a song that increases their movespeed, power, and defense all in one so they don't have to keep track of too many songs. Bard should also have a song that gives them wallhacks. It's balanced because you can hear the bard from far away. Rogues didn't get nerfed hard enough. I would like to see daggers doing 1 damage per stab and rogue hp should be nerfed to 1 to really make the player feel like the rat that they are. Thanks ironmace 🙂

[empty sigil]

I believe this is true. I don't believe that majority of matches have a xheater

[merry gulch]

oh cheater i also dont think majority of everyones matchs have cheaters. but of my like idk 40 matchs this wipe i have gotten a good handful of cheaters, more so on my lower level chars than my 15+ ones

[wheat fractal]

Yeah I'm done arguing with an 11yo. The last thing I'll say equal gear equal skill numbers = win and you can't argue with that. There is a limit on why you can only have a certain number of people in the game. If you can tell me why they'd do that then you know that it's a numbers game. If you're going to ignore the fact that they have a team limit for balancing reasons then you're not worth talking to

[wheat ferry]

It absolutely would be lololol Most people who team are just scared in DaD. In hunt, if you see them first you can just one tap them from hundreds of meters away.

[wild jay]

There's no such thing as equal skill and gear in a game like this though and there's a PvE element. Your take is just unrealistic. Of course numbers make a difference but like I legit just ran 50 matches and maybe say like 2 duos in goblins.

[wicked tendon]

Maybe if your iq was above room temperature you would have seen how I answered that already but your ability to be riled by pointless jabber proves who the real 11 year old is

[empty sigil]

I think if you don't want gear to make you more powerful you should switch games

[wheat ferry]

Super cringe lol

[merry gulch]

@empty sigil do u know if there is match making based on like char level? like 1-15 and 15+ or anything like that

[empty sigil]

Yes it's split in half based on the levels. 1-14 and 15+

[merry gulch]

if true then i would say i run into more cheaters in 1-14 than 15+, never seen the same cheater twice tho at least unless they under another name

[wild jay]

I'm only running 20 plus

[wheat ferry]

I run into 15 cheaters every. single. game.

[wicked tendon]

Assuming they loose the fear factor I’d put teaming as being roughly even in both games but right now the fear is making teaming a little stronger than in hunt definitely I probably should have thought of that

[wheat ferry]

It's also the lack of multiple escapes in solos. In Sole Survivor there's only one sole survivor. So ultimately the team is gonna have to turn on each other or just die. Plus extracting is basically pointless, just some extra hunt bucks. In this game you can extract with loot, rather than just a looted weapon (that you can just buy for hunt bucks you already have). It's almost disingenuous to compare hunt to DaD.

[wicked tendon]

Sole survivor feels more like a BR than a loot instance though so I would rather compare the base game of each and sure extracting is debatably pointless but in the end that is the goal of the game to get out and even with unlimited extracts people still don’t all team in hunt the point isn’t that the games are they same but that teaming in extraction games isn’t really a problem

[wheat ferry]

Don't get me wrong, I don't think it's a problem either but trying to compare the two games is ridiculous. They have entirely different gameplay loops so of course they'll have different issues and different behaviors.

[vestal falcon]

ranger so broken now lmao

[wheat fractal]

Can't see it, not a problem ig. Have you ever played sea servers?

[wicked tendon]

Extraction games are inherently similar when it comes to extracting I’m only commenting on how exctract games effect teaming nothing else

[wheat ferry]

by that logic skyrim and DaD are inherently similar because they're both medieval with swords and shields and bows

[wicked tendon]

Medieval isn’t a gameplay genre it’s a style those are different it’s like calling cod similar to battlefield because they both have modern war games their similar because their fps not war games

[wheat ferry]

I'm glad you agree with me that it's insane to compare games that share ONE aspect

[wicked tendon]

Hunt and dad don’t just share one aspect though it’s just I’m only looking at one because it’s all I need for the point I’m making

[wheat ferry]

you're right they both have player characters that can move and jump! Never mind every other system in the game is completely different to the point that you can't apply logic like you are, they both have extractions!

[wicked tendon]

Again those arnt genre those are gameplay mechanics but let’s think for a second first person low TTK Debatably Gear and skill based in a single instance shared by multiple player vaguely based of of br games with large incintives to pvp what game did I just describe

[wheat ferry]

Basically carbon copies!

[wicked tendon]

That’s not what I’m saying either your pushing it to either extreme in saying these game share similarities that allow the effects on one to be correlated to the other

[wheat ferry]

Literally hundreds fo games. You described basically all modern shooters lol

[merry gulch]

Genre doesnt define anything about a game, thats like aruging COD and csgo are the same game cuz bolth of them are FPS

[wicked tendon]

Name 5 modern shooters with extraction mechanics and gear that isn’t available to all players at a certain skill level

[wheat ferry]

Team Fortress 2 is a class based FP game, with a spy. Same genre, similar mechanics. The spy in that game isn't an issue, ergo the spy in DaD isn't an issue. QED

[merry gulch]

tarkov, hunt, rainbow six extraction, back 4 blood, left 4 dead

[wheat ferry]

Cod DMZ, Battlefield 2042s blackout mode, etc.

No issues making broad sweeping statements across them amirite

[wicked tendon]

Didn’t name five doesn’t count @merry gulch back 4 blood isn’t modern it’s apocalyptic left 4 dead is debatably pre modern and six extraction is also apocolyptic

[wheat ferry]

Did you think I meant setting when I said modern? Holy cow dude you're lost in the sauce

[arctic cove]

Devs please fix the hitreg or GiG will literally become the new DaD

[merry gulch]

modern lmfao ^^

[wicked tendon]

I said modern not you maybe if you had any memory more than a fish you’d know that @merry gulch my question my rules

[cosmic copper]

is goblin caves hr dead too or is it just crypts?

[wheat ferry]

. . . you should reread my statement kiddo

[lilac nimbus]

is it just me or would this game be just as much fun if they removed juiced loot or what bc i found my self having more fun fighting under lvl 15 then i am above it cant do shit when you have no gear and everyone has purps up there ass

[wicked tendon]

I did you never said modern maybe you should learn to read kiddo

[wheat ferry]

. . . you know you can scroll up 3 inches and see my statement where I clearly say "modern shooters" right? IN THE COMMENT YOU REPLY TO WHERE YOU ASK. This is mind boggling lol

[merry gulch]

u have the IQ of a gold fish u dont even know what ur speaking about at this point, ur relating games that have almost nothing in common except the fact they are video games, u asked for extraction looters and are upset that you got proved wrong like the bot u are

[frigid hound]

agree

but there would no interest to go in Dungeon

[wicked tendon]

And you never said modern in the context of the question asked you said modern shooters not modern maybe think twice modern shooters is a term modern is a separate term take an English class @merry gulch Low ttk extraction based pre modern era gear based debatably indie heavy infamous on pvevp huge rewards for both engaging and disengaging from pvp both part of the instance genre they share more in common than either of you are willing to admit

[wheat ferry]

Dudes chalking up his hands to bang out these mental gymnastics

[wicked tendon]

At least I’m making you think more than you ever have even if your thinking he all wrong

[wheat ferry]

Low key the funniest thing I've ever read

[subtle heart]

He thunk

[tulip cloud]

I have played Hunt for thousands of hours on both console and PC from 3 star to 6 star lobbies and can count on one hand the amount of times I’ve seen legitimate teaming (granted I don’t play quickplay). The closest thing you get are ceasefires where teams sit on opposite sides of a bounty team to prevent them from running. There isn’t even a comparison to the degree of teaming in Hunt that there is in DaD

[wicked tendon]

At least that messages intent got through

[wheat ferry]

Oh if your entire point here was to make me laugh then mission accomplished

[wicked tendon]

If your in the high stars teaming falls off just like if you have good gear in this game 6 star and high gear might as well be different games in 4 star where I reside teaming is common because we’re there to laugh

[vestal falcon]

ban teaming in GC even if its not pre made teaming

[wheat ferry]

The vast majority of my time in hunt has been 4 stars and I've never really seen teaming. Just doesn't happen because the games are so different. But good job busting out the "4 and 6 stars are different games" thing.

[tulip cloud]

I usually hover around 4-5 stars because I play with shitter team mates and have a laugh. Still haven’t seen any teaming mostly just third parties and opportunists.

[wicked tendon]

Different play styles different groups different results then if you haven’t seen it you haven’t seen it’s the most I can say

[wheat ferry]

The important thing is Hunt is basically DaD, because they're kind of in the same genre

[merry gulch]

ah yes because Low TTK makes the games the same, oh so does the fact that you can extract and oh yes the pre modern era the very general term that could mean almost any game. as well as the pvevp which is also in 1000+ games? your hand picking broad terms as to hide how dumb you are, the games are nothing alike. you forgot the other 100 things that arnt similar

[wicked tendon]

Again that’s not what I’m saying I’m saying they are similar enough to compare not that their the same game

[wheat ferry]

Only the loosest comparisons can be made. The entire gameplay loop is different. this is a fundamental factor. CoD vs Halo lol

[merry gulch]

^, @wicked tendon go back to school u dropout

[wicked tendon]

Gameplay loop gear up get in get the loot get out woah how different from gear up kill the bounty get out replies to wrong person

[wheat ferry]

Are you legit comparing "gearing up" and "looting" in dad with Hunt's maybe taking someone's gun? This is beyond disingenuous dude

[merry gulch]

omg does that mean its the same as counter strike? you get in gear up and get out, ur fucking dumb dude ur making half ass examples to explain ur failed point

[wicked tendon]

No I didn’t your just dumb gear up as in buy load out in hunt or put on shit in dad get in is obvious get loot and kill bounty sure don’t look the same to me and get out is obvious

[wheat ferry]

Oh so gear up in a super different way? Such that reducing it to "gear up" is intellectually dishonest?

[proper spindle]

Y’all even talking about the game?

[wicked tendon]

I make half assed examples because I’m here to talk not win I know for a fact nothing I say will ever change anyone’s opinion and nothing you say will ever effect mine @wheat ferry buy shit from merchant and put it on character how is that different hunt just had one universal merchant vs a split up cast of ratationg ones

[sonic plover]

Do mobs change aggro just from damage dealt?

[tulip cloud]

My point is that I have vastly more experience with Hunt than DaD even through multiple play tests and from my perspective it’s clearly a bigger problem is DaD than Hunt. I can play Hunt for months and not see any teaming I can’t play DaD for a day without seeing a team or two. Part of that reason is that Hunt incentivizes you to kill everyone else and take the bounties, but Dark and Darker you can team up and have multiple players get out with significant loot. They need to incentivize killing people for benefits like taking their medieval dog tags or bounty or something. Right now there’s almost no downside to teaming other than searching for portals at the end.

[proper spindle]

Damage and distance, I also think certain classes and actions could increase your “aggro” from mobs

[wheat ferry]

It's so funny that you're legit comparing "gear up" in DaD to Hunt's buying a loadout and acting like we're insane for not seeing how they're comparable. By this logic wow and DaD are basically the same. You go in dungeons and kill stuff, then get out

[subtle pawn]

Any one else feel like armor needs to matter more

[tulip cloud]

Better armor options, sure. Turtle meta? Fuck that

[proper spindle]

It’s gonna be worse real soon

[sonic plover]

Felt crazy. Barbarian was melee swinging a centipede when i rolled up and threw in a warlocks hellfire and the centipede immediately turns on me and so does the barbarian lol. Didnt think itd be so easy to take aggro

[wicked tendon]

Wow gameplay loop make character get depression start questing depression gets worse farm gear depression is now teetering on no no word level more hope is gone repeat until your life of gone

[wheat ferry]

This is about as logically coherent as any of your other comments is the wild thing

[subtle pawn]

Yeah but right now I might as well just invest in blue weapons with no armor bc the results are the same vs another geared player

[proper spindle]

I think casting has the highest aggro but that does seem weird anyway, if a monster is already aggroed you’d have to deal more dmg then the person aggroed for it to change or the target gets too far… as far as I understand

[wicked tendon]

Again that’s the point no one is gonna change anyone else opinion through discord messages so why bother trying hard when I can just say dumb stuff that neither one of us can adequately prove or disprove

[wheat ferry]

Listen dude it's fine that we disagree but this is so cowardly. "Nah I'm just fucking around because no one ever changes their opinions on discord lulz". It's bananas insulting to basically everyone here, just to defend your inability to actually convince us. I'm 100% on your side that teaming isn't a problem, but you're just factually wrong if you think you can draw any conclusions from one game to the other especially in regards to teaming where even the extraction systems are SUPER different. They're just different games with different factors for consideration. This isn't dyed in the wool team sports, this is a bad comparison.

[wicked tendon]

It’s not disrespectful to stop trying once your realize either side is a brick wall it’s stupid actually to keep trying just because you think I’m factually wrong and I thing that your factually wrong means this will last forever so why both trying in an endless cycle of stupidity

[wheat ferry]

This is you being a brick wall and refusing to engage. Telling us that we're so set in stone we won't ever see your point is insulting, and to act like that's the reason you're making bad points is just sad. If you don't want to argue no one's making you, but don't act like this is an us problem lol

[wicked tendon]

I stopped trying to make good points once I saw you were a brick wall I’ve known I was a brick wall the whole time and I don’t not want to argue I just don’t want to take you or silent seriously the pink name dude seems chill though

[wheat ferry]

This is just sad lol

[wicked tendon]

And what if it’s sad oh well I’m me your you were both stuck in our ways nothing gonna change and in all likely hood by tomorrow neither of us will remember this though I will ask silent for his proof of a ten man clearing hell

[wheat ferry]

"I was never interested in engaging reasonably, and at some point I decided you weren't either"

[wicked tendon]

Yes that is effectively what I said your on the internet what were you expecting a well thought out thesis with peer reviewed sources

[wheat ferry]

Come on buddy

[wicked tendon]

?

[wheat ferry]

Not even you believe what you're saying it's clearly ad hoc cope lol

[old birch]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-laugh-tea-time-pepe-the-frog-crying-laughing-gif-15795660

[shell lion]

Long time reader, first time poster. Currently moonlighting as an armchair expert / keyboard hero.

I’m inclined to agree with the good Captain.

[wicked tendon]

I believe what I’m saying also what’s ad hoc I’m guessing ad might be like adhd but I have no clue what hoc is

[old birch]

nope thats not what ad hoc means

[obtuse pumice]

i really hope they fix trading on tueseday, a copypaste game already have better trading is kinda funny

[wheat ferry]

No I'm saying now that we've basically hit a wall where you probably realize your comparison was a bit silly (but maybe not) now you are after the fact rationalizing this car wreck by saying "I was just farting around guys were you actually trying to converse?" as a defense mechanism

[wicked tendon]

I can see why you think that but I didn’t mean I wasn’t taking it seriously I just mean I wasn’t giving it my all none of my points were designed to be persuasive or infallible and I was mostly arguing for the sake of arguing and still what does ad hoc mean I’m significantly more concerned about what ad hoc is this any of this google isn’t helping me

Turns out I just can’t type seems like it’s a Latin phrase

[wheat ferry]

Ad hoc typically is used when something is created for a specific purpose. In this case you've created a cope defense which wasn't a thing before but it is now as a retroactive defense. We can see your mental gymnastics in real time lol

Be honest you were chomping at the bit to catch me in a "ad hoc isn't a thing dummy" trap, weren't you

[wicked tendon]

Nope I just fat fingered the h like 12 times

[opaque mantle]

Teaming in solo should be bannable tbh, force to repurchase the game or quit. Legit braindead decision not to focus on solving teaming, either condone it or don't. If it's condoned, which it seems like it is, we should be able to divise teaming in the lobby against geared players. Otherwise geared players just automatically team up because the risk is too high having actual challenging gameplay between them

[wicked tendon]

It’s condoned by the devs what do you mean also you can team in lobby also as long as it’s not before the lobby it’s above board

[opaque mantle]

Nah apparently colluding in the waiting lobby, pre-game, that's punishable. God forbid it works in the favour of those that need it.

[wicked tendon]

Have you ever been punished for it? Because I’ve never met anyone who was only people saying it should.

[grim vessel]

Trying to get a lobby to gang up on geared players is allowed lol you're off the sauce if you think the pre-lobby is off limits. When they say premeditated they mean trying to lobby snipe with your discord buddy, not the "no kill zone" where you can walk around and inspect players

[wheat ferry]

I'm pretty sure they explicitly said it wasn't. If I'm remembering correctly they explicitly call out trying to queue together as an issue

[plain otter]

I am once again asking if we could please remove bard loot from mage mobs

[wicked tendon]

Please this

[grim vessel]

Move it to where

[wheat ferry]

I think there's a storage unit in one of the maps

[wicked tendon]

Out of the game is where it should be but probably mimics since bards are loot hungry a lot of bards must have died to mimics lore wise

[opaque mantle]

I mean even if it's condoned, might I be wrong there, it's only the closest solution there is. Wouldn't say it even balances the teaming in the game. Needs some kind of passive damage to players that are in the same room that don't hurt eachother after a sort of time

[plain otter]

anywhere else... there is such a lack of spellcasting loot already

[wicked tendon]

That sounds incredibly difficult to code also teaming and being passive are 2 different things and this would hurt both people

[wheat ferry]

^ I rarely team but 99.9% of the time I do it's pure passivity. I'm just not attacking that guy, we're not trying to gank dudes. I just don't see teaming as this big of an issue. The only time I saw a huge team was when literally every player in the game teamed up and the only other player they killed was the ranger who refused to not attack them lol It was beyond funny watching 6-7 people panic as the circle constricted them into a weird hallway

[spring forge]

What are our thoughts on people qing normals with purple, legendarys and uniques?, I kinda find it unfun going in with greens/blues and getting rolled by players who just out gear you.

[vestal falcon]

can we jsut wipe already

[torn imp]

got a lucky kill in on a ruby fighter while playing my fighter. instantly hard. GAMING. (he was sitting down and trying to recover health.)

[wheat ferry]

We're like 2 days out ffs

[wheat ferry]

It can feel bad to get rolled by a super geared team/dude but it's hard to get mad at people for playing the game basically how it's intended. Apparently HR is pretty meh so I can't super fault anyone for not wanting to go in.

[vestal falcon]

Hr is fine teaming is just out of hand

[proven shadow]

dnd player has an actual brain?

[wheat ferry]

I copy and pasted someone elses response 😦

[proven shadow]

makes more sense now

[tulip cloud]

So guys, how do we feel about Rogues?

[vestal falcon]

i hate them so much better without them

[main raven]

They're bad; not like I'm complaining, though

[vestal falcon]

zero skill class before u legit did nothing for 8 mins

[tulip cloud]

Tbh I was hoping for some Rogue salt but I’m happy people have like minded opinions. Screw the stabby little bastards but also throw them a bone.

[fair marlin]

please let there be stash increases

[vestal falcon]

for the love of god im so tired of having 5 mules to hold stuff

[twilit dragon]

Feels way better, I've still been murked by one - but also can see them coming if they're not careful enough - Well balanced for now. Maybe give them gear which boosts these atributes to their prior update levels as they find the gear so they can eventually become OP - But other than that - balanced as before everyone jumped on the rogue train for the lulz.

[fair marlin]

I shouldn't have to spend 5 minutes every time I extract trading or selling to making space

[tulip cloud]

“Suffering from Success.”

[vestal falcon]

facts gold should not take up space thats for sure

[tiny shell]

Nerf rogues even more. Hide duration max 10 sec, 3 min cooldown. With perk 5 min.

[plain girder]

as a thought, why is it that knowing theres a wipe on tuesday, people are still super sweaty for gear and prices in trade dont seem affected?

[tiny shell]

Because average joe dont even know there is a wipe.

[tulip cloud]

Because gamers need something to distract themselves with and right now they only have gear and prices to worry about

[plain girder]

thats what i was thinking

[covert cave]

best rogue build?

[plain girder]

a cleric.

[limber void]

delete character and play fighter

[covert cave]

is rogue bad?

[spring forge]

true but it's pretty unfair to those who are trying to gather gold or are trying to loot for better gear and your chances of winning are very low. I think they should drop the entrance fee for HR's back to 100 gold.

[plain girder]

nerfed into the ground atm

[main raven]

Rogues can still nuke you with insane gear, so I say they need another nerf

[wheat ferry]

It definitely can feel unfair but in my experience if you see someone with a cape a little ways away you can run tf away and it's not really an issue. But sometimes you're just screwed and that's just how it goes sometimes. Sometimes you get a bad spawn with a bunch of tough af mobs lol

[limber void]

Equally sometimes I've outplayed people with way better gear than me so I reckon it balances out

[jaunty junco]

They need to make gear lvl, so people aren't steam rolling normal for quick gear.

[spare elbow]

Idk lots of kitted people were pubstomping just out of preference, not because HR was lacking incentive. The solution everyone is using right now is simply resetting chars past lvl 14

[earnest current]

Rogue is the only class that can put pressure on rangers, just because of neft rougue, the lobby is now completely out of control because of ranger players, the lobby lever for newbies under level 15 is 70% rangers, if it's a rogue then just watch carefully. There is still a chance to run, but the ranger, even if he doesn't die, will be shot by triple shots and run away with little health left, eventually dying from combat or monsters or being forced outside the circle.

[scarlet bronze]

Use Voip and team up againts caped teams in normals, that is the solution

[spare elbow]

Yeah my 2-3 hours of succesful runs last night were ended by two ranger traps trapping 2/3 of us at the same time… lol

The worst part is we were abusing ranger traps too so we deserved it

[earnest current]

Even if it's Wizz, he still has the number of spells to cast, but Ranger just needs to carry a full bow in his pocket and play a guerrilla poke game that inhibits the entire lobby and holds the last circle like an ...... , no way we can counter ranger if he smurf , he just naked and wait for triple shot and keep run

[wispy oracle]

players who play blue stuff and more in normal game when HR exists
get a rope i'm serious
Your guys are killing the game

[scarlet bronze]

Use voip and team up with other people to kill the caped teams @wispy oracle

[vestal silo]

something i dont understand in this game is aggro. someone can aggro ten mobs run around and suddenly they swap aggro to me. THey didnt use invis or close a door. Just spontaneously swapped to me, Then I can run around other people while i have aggro, and it never swaps. It doesnt seem to be a consistent mechanism

[spare elbow]

This is honestly a goofy take, i got 3 blues in one run in 1-14s last night. A team on a lucky run can get pretty geared up in one match

[earnest current]

ranger is the most buggy class in the game, hearing the news of neft ranger everyone is happy because they no longer use endless bows but have to carry arrows, but to be honest this neft seems useless to rangers, they run naked and wait for triple shot skill recovery and Heal through skills up to 3 charges, making the ranger almost immortal

[wispy oracle]

Nah cmon x) you can't find ruby stuff in a normal game
Same and a team of three can't get 6 rings purple- blue and 3 splendid cap

[grim vessel]

I don't think you know what buggy means

[fair marlin]

lol I saw that

[spring forge]

In my experience killing blue geared players isn't that bad, its when they're equipped with legendary/uniques is when it becomes difficult.

[spare elbow]

I feel that but some people would much rather just play crypts because you can still earn good money and kill more players which is kinda fun. Unless they force those players out of normals, or make HR wayy more incentivized, it will always happen

[earnest current]

No matter how many nerfs took place with almost all classes, rangers were nerfed nothing except having to carry arrows, while all other classes nerfed all skills that increased damage or stealth time and haste.

[wispy oracle]

That's unfair and gamebreaker we should be capped on stuff we can bring in dungeon, it's really cringe
The fact is you can not perform against full geared player in normal game
Highroller exists for people who want's to PvP more than epic
IT's senseless that they can gear that much without lootin in a PvEvP game

[grim vessel]

Yeah this is why I think if you bring more than X number of purples you should have to pay an ante to enter lowrollers but HR should be free. Also if you insist on playing lowrollers despite the ante, your inventory space should be locked to 2x3. If you wanna play on easymode then you can have easymode tier rewards.

[jaunty junco]

matching making in either should only be gear lvl not character lvl

[spare elbow]

Oh dear lord

[spring forge]

I disagree with HR's being free, there'd be no point in going normals as you can just go in without the worry about losing anything and come out with profit

[grim vessel]

You could die and lose the purples that allowed you to get in for free. But the main point is to incentivize people to go to HR instead of LR when they have good gear. Which as you yourself admitted, it would accomplish.

[earnest current]

Because some players, despite their high skills, lose to others, they simply want to practice as new players to regain the feeling and accidentally it becomes a habit.

[wispy oracle]

Yeah I agree with you
If they do cap lowroller it will increases the playrate of HR
They just need to decrease HR enter price
People who full grear in normal game are havin fun, ok but is that sane?
2 team of 3 players having fun in despite of the fun of 12 other players ?

[scarlet bronze]

lowering the fee of hr wont stop people for going lr with purple gear at all

[earnest current]

Sometimes I pay 100g for one try, but even if I'm lucky, it won't be anything because the monsters are too strong and the circle is too fast and too many full-geared players want to kill me.

[spare elbow]

You can still have fun fighting geared teams. Try to catch them off guard especially while fighting another team. Wiping a geared team feels great especially when youre low gear.

[jaunty junco]

what? Gear based match making stops people fully geared from steam rolling an entire lobby. I know because I have done it and it's easy.

[grim vessel]

Do you think you could go ahead and read my full post before commenting on one part of it

[burnt elm]

I still wish that they would include a gear score rank to deter those lacking in skill from winning via gear in normal lobbies. Normals should be like (3-4 greens or 1-2 blue max and below initial loadout) Highroller should be everything allowed. Or they could hide it and still have the system in place. Basically the chads that go see daddy china for their gold allowance need to be stopped.

[scarlet bronze]

i was comenting on lbm, not on you. your point made sense

[spare elbow]

I understand the thought process, but GBMM literally defeats the purpose of finding gear. The game may as well have zero gear at all

[vestal falcon]

how about u just ger good i will still kill u in white gear

[burnt elm]

lol clear gold buyer

[earnest current]

Have you seen them separate players at full level 20 and below level 20? It's useless. The only 2 classes that use grey gear still lower all the lobby, including blue or purple gear players, are Ranger and Bard.

[vestal falcon]

who in the world needs to buy gold in this game its so easy to get

[stone scarab]

Fully agree, bringing in gear creates risk of losing it, going in with no gear puts you in a disadvantage… Geared teams are not invincible, but people are just too lazy using their brains on who and when to engage, whining is much easier

[wispy oracle]

I'm talkin to do this plus restrict people entering LR with stuff by capping the level of stuff with a number defined.
So yeah it would change a lot about playrate on HR
@spare elbow Yeah you are true but the normal low roller isn,t supposed to be played like that. It's actually designed to scale and harvest an amount of stuff and gold who allow your team to enter HR for great battle and rewards

[spare elbow]

The unfortunate thjng with this is, how rolls are calculated, a purple can actually be worse than a green. And since greens are much more common to find, it isn’t that uncommon to have better greens sitting around your stash but only one or two blues and purples with underwhelming rolls. It would get really complicated to account for that, since different rolls can be useless on one class but great for another..

[peak crypt]

Gear is wacky imba. This game is great and i love it, but it’s pretty pointless to play it more than a week after wipe lol. Hoping Tuesday changes that, cause right now stacked gear sets are too OP. Rarity doesnt matter much

[weak umbra]

league player talking about someone getting a rope

[burnt elm]

I agree here, but the base damage on a purple weapon can just crush an entire low roll lobby. I feel like LBM is right that the initial low roller lobby is supposed to be a learning and wealth builder but the smooth brains go in full ruby silver and collect their 65g and think they are god tier.

[covert cave]

strongest classes right now?

[weak umbra]

ranger

[main raven]

Unless its platemail; get a high-rarity set of platemail of a Fighter and you're basically unkillable with the armor perks; at least, until a Wizard deletes you

[wispy oracle]

Rubysilver-geared players are killing the game by tagging in LR it's common sense guys. How insecure they are to geared against non elite/nightmare epics like guys...
@weak umbra well In league or any game with meta and matchmaking
There are cringers trying to ruin experience of players in wrong Q

[peak crypt]

Yeah plate armor rarity matters because the armor value curve in this game deliberately makes everything under like 150 or 200 ar effectively pointless.

[weak umbra]

or cringers like you

[opaque mantle]

A workaround for rapid gold farming and high gear in low-roller would be to have a separate version of the game. 2 separate player bases that never play together. #1 - those that do not trade: Only gear from loot drops or players #2 those that do trade: people can buy their way to success.

[jaunty junco]

Lol, bro do you not loot chests or environment. You can easily get geared from that. And having min-max gear lvl will in fact change the entire eco system of the lobby grey-green / green-purp / purp - +. Stats make a substantial difference.

[main raven]

Some would say Ranger, but I'd argue its Wizard. A skilled Wiz can delete pretty much anything without any gear at all

[peak crypt]

Nobody that’s playing the game is “killing” the game ffs. The game has no content. Of course bored players are going to go kill randos. Just look at how toxic this chat is. Pubstomping is a lot more fun than reading this channel.

[edgy hinge]

You need to actually be good at wizard to do things, top two classes are easily Fighter and Ranger due to the fact they are braindead and busted atm.

[opaque mantle]

A ranger can delete as much as a wizard can, and then can delete the wizard. = Ranger most favoured by devs

[wispy oracle]

@weak umbra You are not even arguing xD You are exactlyu the type of guy going full geared in LR, cringe

[main raven]

I'd argue reading this chat is great entertainment lol

@edgy hinge Not gonna lie, Fighter sucks without strong gear

[vestal silo]

ranger loses to geared fighter

[burnt elm]

I like the idea of having 2 leagues essentially. A standard which is Trading enabled and a Self-Found which is no trading via traders.

[main raven]

Not with the right loadout you don't

[broken forum]

no

[spare elbow]

Ok you failed to understand my point. Grouping matches based on a gear score effectively makes everyone back on the same average level of power again… so the gear becomes effectively useless because everyone in the match has close to the same gear power as you. At that point you can completely remove gear from the game because all the fights are close to level anyways. Finding and using gear is effectively useless if you are always fighting players with nearly equal gear. The point of gear is to get stronger than others not scale up equally with everyone all the time.

[vestal silo]

yes you do

[edgy hinge]

You really don't need that much gear, it's mostly getting level 15 for all perks that matters for Fighter. Just take full plate with a bow secondary and go into GC and you face roll every class in the game, Ranger is self explanatory, class is absolutely busted on all fronts.

[wispy oracle]

The problem is to over gear. if they do not cap it in LR this game is alread dead

[jaunty junco]

All my characters are lvl 20. Lobbies generally have 1-2 highly geared groups (blue-purp and some times legend) in a normal lobby. Every now and then you'll 3-4 and very rarely will 5-6 groups. Most of the lobby is overwhelmingly grey-white geared played, which is entirely unfair to them. Considering anything blue or above can literally 1-2 shot anyone.

[main raven]

I'm all for gear-based matchmaking if it's what High Roller is used for; i.e. wearing too much high-end gear automatically puts you in HR

@edgy hinge Low quality platemail is a deathtrap since you truly don't get that much PDR from it and you're deleted by every other class except Rogues

[covert cave]

ok ranger, what are the best perks and skills

[spare elbow]

Also for fighter, if you cant get PDR above 50%, its not even worth usinf any plate. Use slayer/ dual wield build and lighter armor you willcbe way better off. The PDR is not worth the move speed until about that point imo.

[spring forge]

anything that gives more damage to your bow

[main raven]

Crossbow Mastery/Spear Prof/Chase/Enhanced Hearing with Forceful Shot and either True Shot or Field Rations.

That's not the meta; that's just what I use lol

[drifting rose]

bow perk . a good bow and being naked

[covert cave]

so headshot then? my deagle is not too shabby

[edgy hinge]

My opinion is assuming gear quality parity, which class beats fighter with the same level of gear, in a 1v1 theres no chance any other class beats fighter.

[vestal falcon]

everyone know ranger is busted right now wait till Tuesday

[stone scarab]

Wizard, Barb, warlock (with boc)

[spare elbow]

Assuming fighter has no crossbow i can think of several classes that can beat fighter at a variety of gear levels. Crossbow is a gamechanger though only takes one cheeky shot to change a fight

[broken forum]

barb only if they have crush or sumn, if ur shielding ur not losing a 1v1

[edgy hinge]

Yes the problem lies with the easy access to ranged weapons for the fighter, if the fighter has a ranged weapon there is no class that beats it unless the fighter in question is braindead and lets people get close to him without hitting them with a crossbow or bow first.

[broken forum]

and warlock doesnt counter fighter imo, fighter is the one class in the game that can reliably cancel warlocks bullshit one shot ability without just waiting

[main raven]

If everyone's got equal gear, Fighter is 100% losing basically every engagement.

Rangers will kill you before you get to them. If they're set up correctly, your "insane PDR" literally means nothing

Clerics can just pop Smite and delete you, especially if they ALSO have platemail since Perseverance and PFE actually make platemail good for them.

Rogues just die lmao

Wizards delete you since you're too slow to do anything.

Bards delete you because they're the most annoying class in the game.

Barbarians can vary, but against a Double Axe + Smash, you're dead

I will admit that using a Crossbow fixes several of these lineups

[ruby palm]

4 ppl teaming up in goblins. Idiot devs for allowing it.

[edgy hinge]

Once again you missed the point, if you're a fighter and going into a raid with no ranged weapon you're just bad, the ranged option for fighter moots your entire point.

[opaque jackal]

cope and seethe

[spare elbow]

Yeah cuz they have time to babysit every lobby 😮 i suggest going naked in goblin caves so it never feels bad to die

[broken forum]

you're dogshit if you hind behind your gobbos friends, i hope they start banning people with proof

[main raven]

In general, dodging ranged attacks is pretty easy. I've dodged a hilarious amount of Crossbow bolts and Longbow arrows.

[ruby palm]

Who asks them to monitor every lobby? If they made it a bannable offense - i'd just report, like in any other game. But in DaD - they allow it, so its pointless to report.

[spare elbow]

When i see them cook the triple shot im gettin ready to fkin duck and weave. Lucky i watched Dodgeball the movie or id be screwed

[edgy hinge]

Just because you can dodge some poorly placed shots from a bad player does not mean anything unfortunately.

[fading drum]

FIX THE FUCKING SERVERS

[chrome stag]

i finally killed the cave troll and got a blue pavise. Does anyone even use those?

[spring forge]

nop

[main raven]

Triple Shot is garbage unless you literally have nowhere to go for cover. Since Rangers move slow as hell while using it, you just have to bait them into wasting it and duck behind a corner while they empty into a wall.

@edgy hinge Even good players can't hit most of their shots if you dodge right

[broken forum]

what the fuck are you on

[spare elbow]

I dont have all the data but i have to assume its difficult to discern between spontaneous teaming in the dungeon and preplanned teaming. It would be pretty lane to say you can never work with someone temporarily in the dungeon. Sorry but if i see a bro with a cape, and a naked guy in the room with me naked, ima help naked guy kill cloak guy and hopefully he will be chill n split loot lol

[hard rock]

Triple shot I thought was good? I guess it isn't good anymore?

[edgy hinge]

Fighters easily beat Rangers and its not even close.

[main raven]

Just gotta hit the mad jukes, my guy

I personally don't like using Triple Shot as I find it kind of a crutch. Of course, I'm also usually using a Crossbow on Ranger

@edgy hinge Pretty much depends on who hits who with ranged weapons

[broken forum]

"triple shot is garbage" nothing you type is gonna mean anything to me

[dry stump]

theres no point in playing this game until wipe lmfao

[main raven]

I know its meta, but I hate having to rely on it literally every time I try using a bow on Ranger.

That, and I'm not good with it lol

[weak umbra]

theres no point in playing this game and we can end this sentence here

[edgy hinge]

You must of never had a fighter hold their shield up and hold W until they get melee range before.

[fading drum]

PermaDeathBard is A Server DDoser. Has no issues W keying us while it seems as if we are at 1500 ping. server gave us warning it was being paused due to server threats GREAT SECURITY

[main raven]

Too bad my Ranger setup can literally crossbow you in melee range, knock you OUT of melee range, and stunlock you until you die. Honestly, I don't get why people dont use Forceful more often

[vital swift]

it just me or is teaming in GC getting rediculous. 50% of the time i die is to people teaming. I get with prox chat ppl are gonna talk and work together but holy fuck does teaming ruin the competitive experience. In a game where u risk your loot everytime u load in, you would expect a little competitive integrity? Am i alone in thinking this? Thoughts?

[edgy hinge]

you are conveniently forgetting the Fighter will also have a ranged weapon in this hypothetical matchup.

[main raven]

DnD isn't really a "competitive" game

@edgy hinge I'm the one forgetting that? Here you are saying "You must of never had a fighter hold their shield up and hold W until they get melee range before"

Hell, Rangers have beartraps and I haven't even brought that up yet

[edgy hinge]

Hot take, traps need to be nerfed into oblivion.

[main raven]

That's probably the most lukewarm take out there, honestly lol

[echo spear]

even if teaming is allowed its pathetic that its the first thing people try to do. im convinced its the players from other game genre that arent used to open loot or the point being to pvp eachother. they want to sit around in the middle of the map and roleplay

[wind venture]

Can we get a geared GC and a none geared one? So stupid to do well the entire time and a full geared purple comes by :/

[main raven]

There isn't anything wrong with teaming. Have you realized that some people are just poor lol

@wind venture I ran into a Fighter with an insane dual-wield setup and a Legendary Mace a couple days ago. Now I'm on Star Rail lol

[weak umbra]

no

[spring forge]

I don't think traps need changing, they already got rid of the skill check which was incredibly annoying, however I think they should limit the amount you can bring into a dungeon, I think it's a bit ridiculous how they can bring in 10 traps in and trap every door in a room.

[peak crypt]

Hahah right??? “The best ability in the game is garbage”
Amazing.

[covert cave]

which bow is the best for ranger?

[main raven]

I've brought up before how the Rogue's Caltrops are a bit of an "o faq" when you hit them, and how a Ranger's beartrap should be the same thing. Instead, you hit a beartrap and you just go "welp I'm dead"

[edgy hinge]

I really can't be asked with the slow mode so this is my last message, I understand the game isn't competitive, however at the core this is a business that needs players to purchase and play the game to survive. My entire point is IM needs to figure out the balance and fast, the game as a whole is not in a good place. I would nerf the traps so that you can only bring in a certain amount, get rid of the stupid minigame to get out of it and introduce a set "trapped" time that scales with a maximum of maybe 3 seconds based on the stat of your choice.

[peak crypt]

There is a limit to how many you can bring in to the dungeon: as many as you can fit in your inventory. Adding specific rules to what you can and cannot bring in is, imo, very unintuitive and bad user experience. I hope this never happens.

[south vault]

survival bows

[main raven]

There actually is a set time before the trap just breaks, but it uses debuff duration. In other words, if you aren't a Cleric (which is one of the best classes in the game already), you're basically screwed

[covert cave]

but it does such little damage

[ruby palm]

dont play ranger, have some self respect xD

[cursive canopy]

sure was fun throwing on my +3 all attributes +3 physical damage gear last night along with my 46 dmg falchion and just absolutely bodying people on my bard

[main raven]

I'd like to say the Recurve Bow, but I personally can't hit anything without using a Longbow since it has better projectile velocity.

Crossbows are insane on Ranger, though, and you only need a single perk.

[peak crypt]

He is trolling you, telling you the worst bow is the best. There are 3 types of bows that serve different purposes. For the purpose of dealing damage, longbow is the best. And because of the nature of how bow fights play out, the longbow will always be more useful than the recurve bow.

[plucky elbow]

Admins should encourage people to be less toxic lol

[wind venture]

Yeah I'm done with the game until it's bloody balanced.

[main raven]

That being said, Crossbow Ranger WILL beat Bow Ranger in a direct 1v1 since you can move so much faster with the Crossbow equipped than you can with a Longbow actively drawn. Distance can change that, though (unless you use True Shot lmao)

[plucky elbow]

it's not the game mechanics it's the toxicity lol, when you accidentally hit a teamate and they start threatening to report you and claiming they personally know and spend time with Graysun

[daring wedge]

Lmao get better teammates, blatant charisma skill issue

[peak crypt]

Yeah if you land a shot with a crossbow the opponent is almost always 1-hit to anything else. Maybe crossbow/survival bow could be viable.

[main raven]

I've legit thought of the Crossbow/Survival combo before. Also, I wil say that a full Ranger team using Survival Bows and Crippling Shot + Forceful Shot is absolutely impossible to push lol

[daring wedge]

Catch me running windlass + crossbow on fighter solo crypts next wipe

[ruby palm]

who though?

[main raven]

There honestly isn't much reason to use the Windlass on a Fighter since the 10% damage penalty makes it hit like a Crossbow at that point.

That being said, Victory Strike on a Crossbow hits like a truck

[abstract ferry]

Anyone have a leaderboard screenshot for goblin caves

[daring wedge]

I use it for the projectile speed, im like american sniper.
Also you @ruby palm , you care when i snipe ur teammates kit from across bridge room while u were smashing crates

[grim vessel]

Oh my bad og

[main raven]

Windlass isn't very good, but when it hits someone its an absolute meme

[daring wedge]

Carry 4 windlass crossbows, its actually good if u cant aim like me

[verbal gulch]

Anyone who knows what type of new content will be available Tuesday?

[placid cliff]

it would be cool if we could in game gold buy a bank vault for all characters to access

[main raven]

I might try a setup like that on a Ranger lol

[weak umbra]

useless number changes and probably another broken promises about not balancing solo

[verbal gulch]

I thought it was a "huge" update

[weak umbra]

yeah huge pointless number changes and balancing for solo

[daring wedge]

Ive created a monster, for real though fighter benefits most caus of the low reload speed. Also @weak umbra major skill issue, ratiod, probably played rogue before nerfs, will complain about every update regardless

[ruby palm]

"charisma issue" , "ratiod" , "catch me"....holy cringe.....

[main raven]

You know, you don't have to talk to him if you don't want to

You can literally just ignore the guy

[daring wedge]

Uses cringe unironically, get some self worth and try building things instead of undermining them, u couldnt who cares me 8^)
Ngl kinda cringe
Also dont talk to me its bad for both our mental healths

[ruby palm]

oO

[main raven]

also yeah I blocked moon a while ago cause he's not the brightest bulb

[small aurora]

Lol i also have him blocked since he just cries

[solar gate]

WTF IS WRONG WITH U GUYS? why is archer the BEST CLASS INGAME still no nerv like srsly drop their dmg from 100% to 50% and its still too much @glad thunder @zinc sparrow

[spring forge]

Nerfs might be coming tommorow

[solar gate]

i hope at last -50% dmg

[daring wedge]

These some big tears, must be a caster, probably warlock

[oblique hound]

is cheap gear worth it for Rougue? like gray marauder outfit

[solar gate]

na its just annoying u get ons by 3 archers blue gear and u got all +3 ^^

[weak umbra]

?

[daring wedge]

Dont get headshot then???
@oblique hound yeah use low quality best in slot, if ur ever confused use 'open details' in the stash to compare the physical damage reduction with and without the armour

*rogue mains will tell u movespeed is more relevant and they r probably correct for once

[daring wedge]

👁️👄👁️ u questioning my quad windless crossbow build

[weak umbra]

what are you even talking about?

[oblique hound]

thanks. what kind of pants do you think i should use? @daring wedge thanks

[daring wedge]

If u have the money leather has much better movespeed/armour ratio then the spawn pants
Always spend money on weapon and healing before armour though

[subtle pawn]

god this game is just one shot city right now

[gray helm]

is the volcano ash only for selling or what is it for

[subtle heart]

when is wipe

[spring forge]

tuesday

[daring wedge]

Welcome to end of wipe, play ranger, place traps, go steal a kit.

Or just lurk till final zone of crypts as solo fighter and loot a corpse

[sand zenith]

I really don’t have a problem with ranger, it’s wizard I’m more scared of.

[novel pawn]

Bruh I really got rubberbanded stuck on a moving rock in HR gobbie caves and died to that

[pulsar pebble]

Time to see how many $hitter teams are teaming up in crypts today lol. We fought a 5 man last night

[sand zenith]

I’d say it’s a pretty rare occurrence.

[pulsar pebble]

Id agree. But i watched it happen twice on a stream i was watching last night. So its becoming more common

[daring wedge]

Increase ur charisma attribute and make sone friends, skill issue

[analog meteor]

its becoming more common, they gotta add a randomization thing so people cant just queue at the same time

[vocal harness]

i like how people are saying skill issues when this game is just really bad lol

[pulsar pebble]

Wipe day should help. Player pool going from 20k to 50k will help make it more difficult. But yea an in game report would be nice as well

[celest harness]

Anyone else getting more sunlight since this last patch?

[analog meteor]

there is in game report, you spectate who you want to report and hit R

[pulsar pebble]

Cant do that if they are dead on the floor. We beat the 5 man. Killed all 5 then died to 3rd party. Cant report dead people.... 😦

[limber verge]

So many monkeys saying they don't like the game right now. Then don't play and maybe get a job. Why do you have to post in here that you don't like it. Actually stupid. You have nothing better to do? @celest harness @vocal harness

[weak umbra]

[pulsar pebble]

Leave the salty rogues to stew in their hate and sadness. Lol. Everyones going to get nerfed on tuesday, one of us! One of us!

[vocal harness]

lmao i have a full time job + work on the side I just look at the facts a bad game is a bad game.. why are you trying to defend it?

[celest harness]

You're a fighter main, I'm surprised you've typed a semi-coherent message.

I've praised all their other balance patches, but this one sucked, not hard to see why.

[pulsar pebble]

I mean that doesnt compute because your still here? Last time i checked im not in a starfield discord (because starfield sucks)

[limber verge]

This is your fifth message. Hope the GiG sent you you're ten dollars. @celest harness I don't play just one class. Just go drink from a puddle you dog.

[weak umbra]

if its really bad just dont play it, problem solved

[dense nexus]

Meh I disagree- marauder is slow and now with "amazing AGI" nerf you'll be even slower.

[hard rock]

HALLO???? HOW I KILL FOOLS WITH LONGSWORD

[oblique hound]

can you recomend me gear?

[pulsar pebble]

Naked + boots + single dagger. Or rapier

[pearl onyx]

how does a ranger place a trap floating in the air, near the top of a doorway? is this an exploit?

[south vault]

shot arrow place trap on arrow

[subtle heart]

when on tuesday is the wipe?

[viscid lion]

YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO FOLD AND ROLL UP CAPES TO SAVE STASH SPACE

[pulsar pebble]

Arrow or standing on a torch lol

[pearl onyx]

haha clever

[vocal harness]

I find it hilarious big streamers aren't even pushing this game anymore. dead game is a dead game lawl

[ripe valley]

Who ever the geared barb was who teamed with the geared rogue in goblin caves happy to tell you i got out. I killed two ungeared lunatics who teamed and rushed me in spawn as well right before hand, super cringy gameplay why is this so common.

[oblique hound]

alright ill try

[dense nexus]

DMd you

[pearl onyx]

not sure what that has to do with abusing game mechanics, but I'm glad you're happy

[pulsar pebble]

My guy. Are you like insecure IRL or something? Got this wierdchamp projecting going on right now

[sand zenith]

Dead game with 20k players daily on non peak hours? What’s your definition for an alive game, fortnite?

[rich elm]

Does exist any good D&D builder on internet?