To be fair, I wrote the original SM and Z3 randos, so yeah I'm going to love SMZ3
#Archipelago Multiworld Multi-game Randomizer
dawn wigeon
weary lagoon
o
fresh hill
ok how many of us are secretly rando developers
weary lagoon
Im working on the Hogans castle apworld
fresh hill
...considering what other people do on the AP server, there's at least a 20% chance you're not kidding
midnight depot
Hogan's Castle is not a real thing
fresh hill
that reduces the odds to 10%
tender pelican
It could also just be (MZ)3 because it's also the third Metroid. :P
fresh hill
yeah, it's like how Fire Emblem fans will say FE8 instead of Sacred Stones but anyone who just played one game once casually will have no idea which one is #8
fresh hill
I usually read "SMZ3" as "SM" + "Z3" instead of trying to distribute the 3 across both titles because nobody calls LttP "Super Zelda 3"
you could say that of a lot of RPG series 
lament tusk
Whereas I have literally no idea what any of you are talking about
lament tusk
Aaah
cold valve
You can warp between the games and have to complete both to meet your archipelago goal
midnight depot
SMZ3 is similar to OoTMM in that sense
midnight depot
What the hell, nobody told me Thursday was actually the third day of July
Guess we gotta start later today
weary lagoon
what happens the third of july
midnight depot
Nothing, I just wrote that we start on Thursday the 4th
lament tusk
is there an oot tracker that auto tracks pots, beehives, crates. freestanding etc?
lament tusk
oh this is exactly what i want, thanks
midnight depot
There's also a pop tracker which is in development, but personally I prefer Tracker of Time, and just use Archipelago's checklist tracker for the rest
lament tusk
man do i really shuffle every pot crate and beehive?
boy am i gonna regret this lol, but fuck it why not
ive made it so that i need six medallions to get gannon boss key, and that something is guaranteed good behind skull tokens
eh lets add subnautica in too, why not
that ones very simple tho
...actually fuck it
nah second thoughts i cant be bothered to configure the scan creature option
lament tusk
yes
subnautica i know well and oot i added some extra spice
ww i dont know as well but we will see
i am going to be out today tho so if any of these give errors for some reason i cant fix them, either tweak them a bit yourself or toss em, its cool
midnight depot
Got it
midnight depot
My third game will be Crystal Project. They made the apworld compatible with arbitrary mods (not an issue since most mods have to be made through the provided editor)
midnight depot
It's an indie RPG with open world platforming
It's my favorite game of all time, too
weary lagoon
Wow more than Zelda?
midnight depot
It's basically a Zelda game anyway
midnight depot
Hi
Testing generation. It looks like @weary lagoon's TTYD has a broken starting item
weary lagoon
I changed it the way you told me to last time
midnight depot
Okay but it's no longer working
I get this error:
File "Generate.py", line 424, in handle_option
File "Options.py", line 855, in from_any
NotImplementedError: Cannot Convert from non-dictionary, got <class 'NoneType'>
The above exception was the direct cause of the following exception:
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "Generate.py", line 203, in main
File "Generate.py", line 203, in <genexpr>
File "Generate.py", line 500, in roll_settings
File "Generate.py", line 431, in handle_option
Options.OptionError: Error generating option start_inventory in Paper Mario The Thousand Year Door
The above exception was the direct cause of the following exception:
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "__startup__.py", line 121, in run
File "console.py", line 25, in run
File "Generate.py", line 550, in <module>
File "Generate.py", line 222, in main
ValueError: File ArtiTTYD yaml july.txt is invalid. Please fix your yaml.```Well its probably the formating of the starting item
I did it like that
but it didnt look right
weary lagoon
ye yamls are dumb
midnight depot
Thanks for pointing me in the right direction!
Also, @modern ivy will join us for this month. Say hi!
midnight depot
Emerassi develops the Crystal Project Apworld
midnight depot
Looks like everyone's YAMLs generate. We have the following 28 games. https://i.imgur.com/GQN6SXe.png
Tomorrow morning I will do a final batch of testing, make a room and ping everyone.
modern ivy
hello hello!
weary lagoon
hohoho..
finite monolith
@midnight depot could you replace my Lttp one with this one. I believe I named them the same.
midnight depot
I noticed and renamed it, but I'll switch them out
midnight depot
And I don't have a jigsaw apworld for Emerassi's Jigsaw. I just grabbed the newest stable release (0.7.2) and that didn't work. Further investigation revealed they had a big overhaul changing all options. I grabbed 0.6.6 and that worked.
lament tusk
hmm
might i recommend holding off starting till you can make sure you're both using the same version? i remember when i played paper mario and ran into a bunch of issues
lament tusk
we can wait a day, i dont mind
midnight depot
I already waited a day
If the apworld turns out to be the wrong one I can always release all the checks
lament tusk
why dont we just ask
lament tusk
And I don't have a jigsaw apworld for Emerassi's Jigsaw. I just grabbed the newe...
@modern ivy is this the same version you're using?
midnight depot
Because it'll be like six hours before Emerassi can respond
Anyway. @fresh hill is this something you should know about?
Per-Player counts: {'items': Counter({15: 1310, 24: 1271, 12: 837, 18: 602, 5: 563, 14: 545, 26: 541, 21: 537, 2: 401, 7: 398, 22: 371, 4: 348, 16: 323, 9: 316, 13: 299, 1: 288, 11: 265, 19: 226, 6: 226, 10: 217, 28: 193, 20: 188, 25: 135, 17: 127, 8: 100, 3: 83, 23: 78, 27: 69}), 'locations': Counter({15: 1310, 24: 1272, 12: 837, 18: 602, 5: 563, 14: 545, 26: 541, 21: 537, 2: 401, 7: 398, 22: 371, 4: 348, 16: 323, 9: 316, 13: 299, 1: 288, 11: 265, 6: 226, 19: 226, 10: 217, 28: 193, 20: 188, 25: 135, 17: 127, 8: 100, 3: 83, 23: 78, 27: 69})})
Player Meganoot had 1 more locations than items.
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "__startup__.py", line 121, in run
File "console.py", line 25, in run
File "Generate.py", line 552, in <module>
File "Main.py", line 208, in main
File "Fill.py", line 590, in distribute_items_restrictive
Fill.FillError: Unable to fill all locations.
Unfilled locations(1): [GoS (East): Alcove Between Tombs 3rd Chest (FlitterNS)]```
(Generating again fixes it)Meganoot had 1 more locations than items.
well thats weird
i did ad far more locations this time around
midnight depot
It's unlikely to be OoT
I also ran into this:
File "__startup__.py", line 121, in run
File "console.py", line 25, in run
File "Generate.py", line 552, in <module>
File "Main.py", line 201, in main
File "worlds\AutoWorld.py", line 193, in call_all
File "worlds\AutoWorld.py", line 201, in call_stage
File "worlds\AutoWorld.py", line 153, in _timed_call
File "C:\ProgramData\Archipelago\custom_worlds\tunic.apworld\tunic\__init__.py", line 545, in stage_pre_fill
File "BaseClasses.py", line 1304, in place_locked_item
Exception: Location Fortress Courtyard - Fire Pot 7 (Ixfox) already filled.```Oh, it's not something Ixrec has to deal with.
Per-Player counts: {'items': Counter({15: 1310, 24: 1270, 12: 837, 18: 602, 5: 563, 14: 545, 26: 541, 21: 519, 2: 401, 7: 398, 22: 371, 4: 348, 16: 323, 9: 316, 13: 299, 1: 295, 11: 265, 19: 226, 6: 226, 10: 217, 28: 193, 20: 188, 25: 135, 17: 127, 8: 100, 3: 87, 23: 78, 27: 69}), 'locations': Counter({15: 1310, 24: 1271, 12: 837, 18: 602, 5: 563, 14: 545, 26: 541, 21: 519, 2: 401, 7: 398, 22: 371, 4: 348, 16: 323, 9: 316, 13: 299, 1: 295, 11: 265, 6: 226, 19: 226, 10: 217, 28: 193, 20: 188, 25: 135, 17: 127, 8: 100, 3: 87, 23: 78, 27: 69})})
Player Meganoot had 1 more locations than items.
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "__startup__.py", line 121, in run
File "console.py", line 25, in run
File "Generate.py", line 552, in <module>
File "Main.py", line 208, in main
File "Fill.py", line 590, in distribute_items_restrictive
Fill.FillError: Unable to fill all locations.
Unfilled locations(1): [Zora Cape Underwater Chest (Dessy-MM)]```Let me know if you need some help
midnight depot
Oh I do need your help
ArtiTTYD's has enabled both Palace Skip and Limit Chapter 8. Disabling the Limit Chapter 8 option due to incompatibility
This doesn't break generation but I'd like you to pick one or the other next time
fresh hill
Anyway. <@283037539755884554> is this something you should know about?
```Unpla...
Player Meganoot had 1 more locations than items.
that’s OoT’s bug
midnight depot
Sorry
lament tusk
>Player Meganoot had 1 more locations than items.
that’s OoT’s bug
is that an issue? do i need to change a setting?
midnight depot
Let's figure it out
I'm going to do a bunch of trials and binary search until I stop getting errors, finding every culprit YAML
Trials 1-5: Removing these YAMLs still gives me prefill errors, all of whom fail on Tunic with errors like this:
File "__startup__.py", line 121, in run
File "console.py", line 25, in run
File "Generate.py", line 552, in <module>
File "Main.py", line 201, in main
File "worlds\AutoWorld.py", line 193, in call_all
File "worlds\AutoWorld.py", line 201, in call_stage
File "worlds\AutoWorld.py", line 153, in _timed_call
File "C:\ProgramData\Archipelago\custom_worlds\tunic.apworld\tunic\__init__.py", line 545, in stage_pre_fill
File "BaseClasses.py", line 1304, in place_locked_item
Exception: Location Overworld - [West] Windchimes Holy Cross (Ixfox) already filled.```
https://i.imgur.com/kwVcIht.png
weary lagoon
This doesn't break generation but I'd like you to pick one or the other next tim...
I like both
midnight depot
Okay but the apworld doesn't permit both and throws an error every time I generate
weary lagoon
Ok I will fix it next time..
midnight depot
Trials 6-10: Removing these YAMLs https://i.imgur.com/xji2tC8.png results in zero generation failures of both types.
weary lagoon
Anyone else nervous af they are at fault
fresh hill
is that an issue? do i need to change a setting?
so, item/location mismatch is always an issue, at the very least it's objectively a bug in the world because this is part of the contract between AP core and world
unfortunately since this is never supposed to come up I'm not at all familiar with the consequences of violating it in an actual multiworld; I have no idea if this is serious or not
and since I don't play OoT I have no idea if it's related to your options at all
lament tusk
wdym you dont know everything? i retract my vote for you!
fresh hill
Trials 1-5: Removing these YAMLs still gives me prefill errors, all of whom fail...
given the stack this also looks like a bug with Tunic itself
if you can minimize that further it's worth reporting to them
but I know this did not happen when I tested my two yamls locally
midnight depot
Trials 11-16: Removing only these YAMLs https://i.imgur.com/gxpqbvZ.png no errors
Trials 17-21: Removing these YAMLs: https://i.imgur.com/HaUhd9z.png
5/5 errors with Tunic prefill https://i.imgur.com/h56kWtq.png
fresh hill
oof
does that still happen if you remove my tunic plando block
pretty sure that's the only remotely weird thing I did in my yamls
midnight depot
I'll check
fierce vale
yooo, crystal project available? i'll have to do one of those next month 😌 or maybe month after since next month is panic quiz prep month
midnight depot
Here's the block plando_items: - items: Sword Upgrade: 4 locations: - Coins in the Well - 10 Coins - Coins in the Well - 15 Coins - Coins in the Well - 3 Coins - Coins in the Well - 6 Coins
midnight depot
yooo, crystal project available? i'll have to do one of those next month 😌 ~~or...
We haven't started yet so if you have free time you can join now
midnight depot
Here's the full YAML
name: Ixfox
description: Ixrec's Tunic Template
game: TUNIC
requires:
version: 0.4.4
plando: items
TUNIC:
plando_items:
- items:
Sword Upgrade: 4
locations:
- Coins in the Well - 10 Coins
- Coins in the Well - 15 Coins
- Coins in the Well - 3 Coins
- Coins in the Well - 6 Coins
progression_balancing: 50
accessibility: items
local_items: []
non_local_items: []
start_inventory: {}
start_inventory_from_pool: {}
start_hints: []
start_location_hints: []
exclude_locations: []
priority_locations: [
"Fortress Arena - Hexagon Red",
"Librarian - Hexagon Green",
"Rooted Ziggurat Lower - Hexagon Blue"
]
sword_progression: true
start_with_sword: false
keys_behind_bosses: false
ability_shuffling: true
fool_traps: normal
laurels_location: anywhere
# in this template, only these options have non-default values
shuffle_ladders: true
shuffle_fuses: true
shuffle_bells: true
grass_randomizer: false
breakable_shuffle: true
local_fill: default
hexagon_quest: false
hexagon_goal: 20
extra_hexagon_percentage: 50
hexagon_quest_ability_type: hexagons
combat_logic: off
lanternless: false
maskless: false
laurels_zips: false
ice_grappling: off
ladder_storage: off
ladder_storage_without_items: false
entrance_rando: false
entrance_layout: standard
decoupled: false
plando_connections: []
i have had a very busy year, and alas that continues this month
fresh hill
ok yeah that's completely the wrong plando block
fierce vale
and i picked up some new games i wanna complete and not bench
maybe i should play bg3 like a normal person and not like i currently am
midnight depot
Good thing we caught it early. Wanna give me a different YAML?
fresh hill
double-checked everything else
still no idea where that sword on well coins block came from
although it shouldn't have anything to do with the generation errors
midnight depot
Yeah it doesn't look like it
Trials 22-26: Removing the sword plando block. 4/5 errors. Top right has a different error from usual:
Unplaced items:
Small Key (Agahnims Tower) (Player 1)```
https://i.imgur.com/rWrwPqI.png
fresh hill
huh, that's an extra item instead of an extra location, the opposite of the earlier OoT bug
midnight depot
Tell you what, this moment makes me thankful I opted for a four-core eight-thread CPU instead of a four-core four-thread one
fresh hill
wish I could help more but I think we're at the part where there's just a lot of trial and error to do to narrow these down to minimal, reportable test cases
midnight depot
Yeah no worries
fresh hill
I already checked that the tunic channel has no reports like this
midnight depot
Trials 27-31: Replacing Tunic with the new YAML. 2/5 errors: https://i.imgur.com/8Zrchzp.png
fresh hill
from reading the code, I'm pretty sure this never happened before because I've never played with breakable_shuffle or grass_randomizer before; both of those options force local_fill to be defaulted to a non-zero value which triggers the prefill codepath that's failing for us
midnight depot
I'll try removing OoT and then removing Tunic
Trials 32-37: Removing OoT, 4/5 errors. https://i.imgur.com/RoH2TE2.png
At this point it's probably Tunic, so I'll take the next successful generation and put it up as the canonical July game and report the issue to the Tunic devs
Oh
Trials 38-42: Removing Tunic gives me 1/5 errors: https://i.imgur.com/8brSFMt.png
This is the second type of error
fresh hill
yeah there's clearly at least two bugs going on
ok this is back to an extra location from OoT
I dunno if your extra item case from before is a third bug or what
midnight depot
It's not a big deal to play with it, actually
I can try until it succeeds
In fact
Let's do five more runs with all YAMLs
fresh hill
what was the minimal set of worlds you managed to get the stage_pre_fill error with?
I've done several generations with my 2 yamls (that should be the minimum to make Tunic's stage_pre_fill impl do anything at all) and haven't gotten a single error
so now I'm wondering if the Tunic "bug" is provoked by one of the other bugs
midnight depot
I guess I gotta figure that out too
First let's look at the previous trials and see which batch had the smallest amount of YAMLs
midnight depot
Trials 11-16: Removing only these YAMLs https://i.imgur.com/gxpqbvZ.png no error...
This one is notable
Trials 43-47: Just FF4 and Tunic, 5/5 errors https://i.imgur.com/XtLHKWf.png
fresh hill
nice
no idea why FF4 would allow you to repro this but that sounds like something you might be able to send the devs actual repro steps for instead of just a screenshot
fresh hill
the block this fails in has a players > 1 check, so we know it needs at least one other game
midnight depot
Let's test Tunic and FF4 with no breakable shuffle
Trials 48-52: Tunic and FF4 with no breakable shuffle: 0/5 errors.
fresh hill
makes sense, IIUC this block will also never run unless grass rando or breakable rando is on (or you manually set local_fill for some weird reason?)
midnight depot
Should I also report it to FF4E devs?
fresh hill
probably not for now
we know the Tunic devs are active and the crash is pretty clearly coming from Tunic's code, so there's a good chance FF4E did nothing wrong
midnight depot
That's how I feel, yeah
fresh hill
I tried reproducing on my end with the FF4E yaml and apworld you posted there, and 10/10 generations succeeded for me, no errors
fresh hill
I have a few more ideas if you want to keep digging into this
fresh hill
first off, I'm running 0.6.2 RC3
midnight depot
Yeah
fresh hill
my only host.yaml change should be enabling item plando for obvious reasons
cool Scipio saw it
then we probably need to start talking specific seeds
midnight depot
Good idea!
I'll pick a failing seed and hand it to you
Here's a full failing log
Generating for 2 players, 61813165994053390620 Seed 70017938375535739816 with plando: items, bosses
And here's my host.yaml
fresh hill
no repro with that seed and host.yaml
fresh hill
ok
still can't reproduce with my 0.6.1 install
but Scipio's clearly taking this seriously so I dunno if it's worth trying any harder
midnight depot
Yeah, I can't think of anything else to test right now
Except
I can update to RC3
Wow, are they getting rid of Kivy?
What the hell https://i.imgur.com/P1E13dC.png
Getting rid of all installed apworlds should be a step on its own, not bundled with create a desktop shortcut
fresh hill
well, "installed apworlds" should be in /custom_worlds at this point
midnight depot
It does cause a lot of issues, and they're right to make it pre-checked
fresh hill
Wow, are they getting rid of Kivy?
they're moving to kivyMD, so technically kivy itself is still the framework being used, but it is still a big overhaul to the UI for the core tools
(if you use Universal Tracker, it has a separate "MD" build atm for this reason)
midnight depot
Not a big fan of the new look https://i.imgur.com/0CzxMip.png
I liked having multiple columns (more items on the screen at once), unrounded edges and small icons
Clicking anywhere except the small "Open" button doesn't do anything
lament tusk
Not a big fan of the new look https://i.imgur.com/0CzxMip.png
oh thats a very different UI
i dont like it either
fresh hill
for the launcher, the big wins are search/filter and the categories (especially favoriting)
midnight depot
The categories and favoriting are not a big deal for me because previously I could see all the options I wanted to click at without scrolling or clicking
fresh hill
never played an AP game with a dedicated client?
midnight depot
I do, and the client is in view as soon as I open the launcher
fresh hill
crazy luck then
even UT always required scrolling for me
granted I don't understand the Open button myself
but the launcher pretty badly needed some way of filtering or favoriting the ~5 options you actually use instead of always scrolling through dozens of core-verified clients we never asked to install
that alone outweighs any complaints I have with the new stuff
midnight depot
Okay
fresh hill
not that any of this is up to any of us
midnight depot
Updating didn't change things
5/5 errors!
So it's something to do with my installation?
fresh hill
I'm pretty sure I pointed out the weirdness of the Open button in their first iteration of it and I still have no idea why that was done
regardless, get ready for the entire AP server to be a hellscape of people whining about UI changes when 0.6.2 is finally officially released
midnight depot
I'm just not going to read it
lament tusk
eww change
i dont like change
modern ivy
wow this was a saga, nice work solving your way through so many bugs
if you haven't generated yet and just want to use the latest jigsaw, this attached yaml should be for 0.7.2
i didn't realize they overhauld their setting since last go round
fresh hill
apparently it was an FF4E problem: #1224388891948093540 message #1214608557077700720 message
midnight depot
if you haven't generated yet and just want to use the latest jigsaw, this attach...
Thanks! I decided to wait
midnight depot
Getting a lot of this error
File "__startup__.py", line 121, in run
File "console.py", line 25, in run
File "Generate.py", line 588, in <module>
File "Main.py", line 354, in main
File "concurrent\futures\_base.py", line 449, in result
File "concurrent\futures\_base.py", line 401, in __get_result
File "concurrent\futures\thread.py", line 59, in run
File "worlds\AutoWorld.py", line 186, in call_single
File "worlds\AutoWorld.py", line 179, in call_single
File "worlds\AutoWorld.py", line 165, in _timed_call
File "C:\ProgramData\Archipelago\custom_worlds\metroidprime.apworld\metroidprime\__init__.py", line 344, in generate_output
File "C:\ProgramData\Archipelago\custom_worlds\metroidprime.apworld\metroidprime\Container.py", line 33, in __init__
TypeError: APContainer.__init__() takes from 1 to 2 positional arguments but 5 were given
Exception in <bound method MetroidPrimeWorld.generate_output of <worlds.metroidprime.MetroidPrimeWorld object at 0x0000021F6A851E80>> for player 8, named Dessy-MP.
Press enter to close.```ah crap
that might be the container changes in the 0.6.2 RCs
I know some worlds had to update for that as it's technically a breaking change
midnight depot
Should I just downgrade?
midnight depot
Well I didn't run into any issues generating fusion even with 0.6.1
modern ivy
tsk tsk as apworld dev always says, "you should dev on frozen" how could you forget this Ixrec?
fresh hill
glancing at the Prime thread, I don't see any indication that they released a 0.6.2-compatible apworld, so downgrading is probably the right move
cold valve
midnight depot
fresh hill
oh should I actually attempt to play this now
midnight depot
Pin updated
@finite monolith @weary lagoon @dawn wigeon @cold valve @modern ivy @fresh hill @tender pelican @rare oxide @lament tusk Game is up. See pins for links and info. Let me know if anything went wrong. Included are the patch files if your game needs one
If you randomized your settings, here's the settings part of the spoiler log so you can see what it rolled into
fresh hill
it begins
modern ivy
wow that's a powerful start
mucho importante item that one
looks like i get to go for a bit of a hike to start heh
modern ivy
haha oh no flitter i hope the item you hinted for isn't too important, it's in The Deep Sea
midnight depot
Don't worry about it. I don't auto-hint anything that's progression
fresh hill
ah, Fusion doesn't auto-hint stuff
midnight depot
I went ahead and set the hint priorty on cheese tracker
lament tusk
right i should actually play
fresh hill
is it possible to add non-AP hints to cheese tracker?
midnight depot
Add them as notes
lament tusk
ah shit now i gotta decide which link im gonna play as in WW
(i didnt choose CJ this time)
midnight depot
Thanks
fresh hill
also the 0.6.2/MD version of Universal Tracker has some cool new features: counts at the top, and different colors for hinted locations and only-in-glitch-logic locations
midnight depot
FlitterAE sent Hibiscus to La DxRomulus (Time Station Mailbox - Training Space (Gadget Training))
FlitterAE sent Feather to La DxRomulus (Time Station Mailbox - Save Station (Main))
modern ivy
those are some cool features for new UT
fresh hill
ok that's my sphere 1 and 2 clear (I happened to get my own missiles early)
I'll leave it there for a first session
midnight depot
FlitterAE sent Item - Progressive Level to Emerassi (2-2 Dark Ruins Mailbox - Hmmm... Red Switch (Outside))
weary lagoon
lament tusk
...hmm, i did not have my sword when i started i swear
then i spent a bit of time soreting my tracker out
weird
weary lagoon
was probably a goblin holding on to it
midnight depot
Nobody sent you anything
lament tusk
well maybe i just didnt notice it then
weary lagoon
I guess I should use my real name otherwise this is gonna get confusing for all the new people
midnight depot
Ape escape is in BK mode
rare oxide
ryanmmx2 sent KeyCT to Dessy-SMZ3 (Defeated Pararoid S-38 #1)
ryanmmx2 sent Equipment - Progressive Light Body to Flitter (Defeated Pararoid S-38 #2)
midnight depot
Sunday I'll play some Crystal Project
rare oxide
Ew I got Tellah. -_-
tender pelican
Tellah is actually pretty good. At least it's not Edward. :P
rare oxide
DOUBLE TELLAHS
tender pelican
Lmao.
rare oxide
lmao
tender pelican
I got Rydia and Edge, then another Rydia at the watery pass.
And then Palom at the next two character slots. XD
And a third Palom. XD
weary lagoon
@midnight depot which game should I play first?
rare oxide
ryanffffffff sent Item - Ether Pouch to Emerassi (Baron Town -- Exterior -- pot outside Rosa's)
ryanffffffff sent Flurrie to ArtiTTYD (Baron Town -- Rosa's house -- shelf)
ryanffffffff sent Silver Rupee to Dessy-MM (Baron Town -- Rosa's house -- pot)
ryanffffffff sent KeySW to Dessy-SMZ3 (Baron Town -- Exterior -- water, top)
ryanffffffff sent Bottle to Dessy-SMZ3 (Baron Town -- Exterior -- water, bottom)
ryanffffffff sent Tube Curse to ArtiTTYD (Baron Chocobo Forest -- grass)
ryanffffffff sent Mobile Vehicle Bay Fragment to Meganoughtica (Mist Cave -- top left)
ryanffffffff sent Wheel Gator Access Codes to ryanmmx2 (Mist Cave -- top right)
ryanffffffff sent Equipment - Progressive Scythe to Flitter (Mist Cave -- center)
ryanffffffff sent Item - Progressive Level to Emerassi (Mist Cave -- bottom right)
ryanffffffff sent Energy Tank to Ixroid (Baron Town -- Inn -- pot)
ryanffffffff sent Ether to Dessy-SMZ3 (Mist Village -- Rydia's house -- tiara room)
ryanffffffff sent Empty Bottle to WWeganought (Mist Village -- Exterior -- south grass, right)
ryanffffffff sent Seamoth Fragment to Meganoughtica (Mist Village -- Exterior -- south grass, left)
midnight depot
SMS first
weary lagoon
Flurrie...
lets see if I remember how to launch
a fatal error occured updating dolphin?!
please update vc++ runtime?!
rare oxide
ryanffffffff sent Equipment - Progressive Spear to Emerassi (Kaipo -- Exterior -- pot)
ryanffffffff sent 2 Puzzle Pieces to EmeJigsaw1 (Damcyan -- 2F -- chest)
ryanffffffff sent Cape to Dessy-SMZ3 (Waterfall -- Lake -- right)
ryanffffffff sent Equipment - Progressive Ninja Dagger to Flitter (Waterfall -- Lake -- bottom)
ryanffffffff sent Item - Lost Penguin to Flitter (Waterfall -- B2F -- left)
ryanffffffff sent Item - Ancient Tablet C to Flitter (Waterfall -- B2F -- right)
ryanffffffff sent Silver Rupee to WWeganought (Watery Pass -- Entrance ("South") -- center-right)
ryanffffffff sent Nayru's Pearl to WWeganought (Watery Pass -- Entrance ("South") -- center)
ryanffffffff sent Nomai Warp Codes to dr rOWmulus (Watery Pass -- Entrance ("South") -- top right)
ryanffffffff sent Blue Coin to ArtiSMS (Watery Pass -- Behind waterfall -- left)
ryanffffffff sent Crush Crawfish Access Codes to LlisandurMMX3 (Watery Pass -- Behind waterfall -- right)
ryanffffffff sent Timespinner Wheel to Dessy-TS (Watery Pass -- Camp level ("B2F") -- bottom left)
ryanffffffff sent Bubble Splash to ryanmmx2 (Watery Pass -- B3F -- right)
ryanffffffff sent BigKeyTR to Dessy-SMZ3 (Watery Pass -- B3F -- left)
ryanffffffff sent Shine Sprite to ArtiSMS (Watery Pass -- Passage to exit ("B2F") -- left)
ryanffffffff sent Job - Aegis to Flitter (Watery Pass -- Passage to exit ("B2F") -- right)
ryanffffffff sent Blue Coin to ArtiSMS (Watery Pass -- Exit ("North") -- leftmost)
ryanffffffff sent Item - Special Shoudu Stew to Flitter (Watery Pass -- Exit ("North") -- top left)
ryanffffffff sent Speed Burner to ryanmmx2 (Watery Pass -- Exit ("North") -- bridge chest)
weary lagoon
I cant enter any levels yet so ill just get delfino blues
BK mode 😎 except for 3 fruit baskets im not doing now
tender pelican
LlisandurMMX3 sent Hero Relic - DEF to Ixfox (Defeated Shurikein)
LlisandurFF4 sent Atoll Northwest Fuse to Ixfox (Toroia Castle -- East wing chest room -- left cell, left)
LlisandurFF4 sent Ladders near Dark Tomb to Ixfox (Tower of Zot -- 5F (through 4F center-left door) -- top)
LlisandurFF4 sent West Furnace Fuse to Ixfox (Antlion Cave -- B3F -- Antlion Nest item)
LlisandurFF4 sent Ladders in Overworld Town to Ixfox (Fabul -- Throne room -- bottom chest)
LlisandurFF4 sent Level 2 Keycard to Ixroid (Cave Magnes -- B2F -- chest)
LlisandurFF4 sent Wave Beam to Ixroid (Cave Magnes -- Torch room -- left)
LlisandurFF4 sent Ice Beam to Ixroid (Fabul -- Throne room -- top chest)
LlisandurFF4 sent Item - The Undercity Pass to Flitter (Baron Town -- Exterior -- water, bottom)
LlisandurFF4 sent Item - Proving Meadows Pass to Flitter (Mist Village -- Rydia's house -- crawlspace, top right)
LlisandurFF4 sent Item - Sara Sara Beach East Pass to Flitter (Watery Pass -- B3F -- right)
LlisandurFF4 sent Item - The Open Sea Pass to Flitter (Watery Pass -- B3F -- left)
LlisandurFF4 sent Item - Progressive Level to Flitter (Damcyan -- Treasury -- bottom right chest)
LlisandurFF4 sent Item - Slip Glide Ride Pass to Flitter (Mt. Ordeals -- 1F -- top)
LlisandurFF4 sent Item - Seaside Cliffs Pass to Flitter (Antlion Cave -- B1F -- top right)
LlisandurFF4 sent Item - Dione Stone to Flitter (Mt. Hobs -- Save area -- center-left)
LlisandurFF4 sent Charged Strike to FlitterNS (Mist Cave -- top left)
LlisandurFF4 sent Castle Key to ArtiTTYD (Watery Pass -- Entrance ("South") -- center-right)
LlisandurFF4 sent Progressive Boots to ArtiTTYD (Watery Pass -- Entrance ("South") -- top right)
LlisandurFF4 sent Nightmare Key (Color Dungeon) to La DxRomulus (Watery Pass -- Entrance ("South") -- center)
LlisandurFF4 sent Bananas to La DxRomulus (Watery Pass -- Exit ("North") -- top left)
LlisandurFF4 sent Progressive Sword to La DxRomulus (Damcyan -- Treasury -- bottom right pot)
LlisandurFF4 sent Minuet of Forest to Meganoot (Watery Pass -- Behind waterfall -- left)
LlisandurFF4 sent Zora Tunic to Meganoot (Damcyan -- Treasury -- bottom left pot)
LlisandurFF4 sent Modification Station Fragment to Meganoughtica (Mt. Ordeals -- 3F ("7th Station") -- center)
LlisandurFF4 sent Bombs to WWeganought (Antlion Cave -- B2F -- top left)
LlisandurFF4 sent Grapple Beam to Dessy-MP (Watery Pass -- Passage to exit ("B2F") -- left)
LlisandurFF4 sent Phazon Suit to Dessy-MP (Watery Pass -- Passage to exit ("B2F") -- right)
LlisandurFF4 sent Boost Ball to Dessy-MP (Mt. Hobs -- Save area -- center-right)
LlisandurFF4 sent MoonPearl to Dessy-SMZ3 (Damcyan -- Treasury -- bottom left chest)
LlisandurFF4 sent KeyGT to Dessy-SMZ3 (Toroia Castle -- East wing pot room -- pot)
LlisandurFF4 sent Mountain Title Deed to Dessy-MM (Tower of Zot -- 5F (through 4F center-left door) -- bottom)
LlisandurFF4 sent Epona's Song to Dessy-MM (Antlion Cave -- B2F -- bottom right)
LlisandurFF4 sent Magnifying Glass to Dessy-LADX (Toroia Castle -- East wing chest room -- middle-right cell, left)
LlisandurFF4 sent Pegasus Boots to Dessy-LADX (Antlion Cave -- Save room -- top)
LlisandurFF4 sent Item - Poko Poko Desert Pass to Emerassi (Damcyan -- Treasury -- top left chest)
LlisandurFF4 sent Item - Clamshell to Emerassi (Fabul -- East tower 3F (king's bedroom) -- Defend Fabul reward item)
LlisandurFF4 sent Item - Land's End Pass to Emerassi (Waterfall -- Lake -- bottom)
LlisandurFF4 sent Progressive Bombchu Bag to AFalcon-MM (Damcyan -- 2F -- chest)
LlisandurFF4 sent Song of Storms to AFalcon-MM (Toroia Castle -- Hospital -- Edward/Toroia item)
LlisandurFF4 sent Book of Mudora to AFalcon-Lttp (Cave Magnes -- B1F -- bottom left)
LlisandurFF4 sent Wire Sponge Access Codes to ryanmmx2 (Antlion Cave -- B1F -- middle right)
tender pelican
LlisandurFF6 sent Plasma Beam to Dessy-MP (Kohlingen Old Man's House)
LlisandurFF6 sent Category Three of a Kind to AF-Yacht (Tzen Thief)
LlisandurFF6 sent Mystic Nymph: Scout Mode to FlitterNS (Albrook Cafe Clock)
LlisandurFF6 sent PowerBomb to Dessy-SMZ3 (Doma Castle Lower Hall Pot)
LlisandurFF6 sent Hover Boots to Meganoot (Doma Castle West Sleeping Quarters Chest)
LlisandurFF6 sent Item - Progressive Mount Instrument to Flitter (Doma Castle Southeast Tower Right)
modern ivy
ooo mount
lament tusk
well turns out adding pots, crates and freestanding items means early OOT is loaded
im not even that close to BK in oot or ww, but BK in subnautica
i got checks for every game i think
weary lagoon
wow
train ticket is crazy
ah I cant get to the train
Someone already found hover nozzle
got it early again thats no fun
midnight depot
If you don't want to find it early you can plando it late
cold valve
let's play LADX
cold valve
La DxRomulus sent Hero Relic - SP to Ixfox (Access Tunnel Interior (Tal Tal Mountains))
[Hint]: La DxRomulus's Pegasus Boots is at ED (Sanctum): Above East Rooftop in FlitterNS's World. (priority)
[Hint]: La DxRomulus's Flippers is at Castle Sequoia Region Completion in Flitter's World. (priority)
midnight depot
I don't even know what "region completion" checks mean
But Castle Sequoia is in the last 10% of the game
Pegasus boots is in the empyrean district. I will not get there any time soon
tender pelican
LlisandurFF6 sent Item - Babel Quintar to Flitter (Returners' Hideout North Room Pot)
LlisandurFF6 sent Item - Special Milk to Flitter (Returners' Hideout Banon's Room)
LlisandurFF6 sent Item - Beaurior Volcano Pass to Flitter (Zozo Relic Shop Seventh Floor)
LlisandurFF6 sent Elevator Access Token to FlitterNS (Serpent Trench)
LlisandurFF6 sent Item - Progressive Level to Flitter (Narshe Moogle Lair WoB)
LlisandurFF6 sent Item - Progressive Level to Flitter (Narshe Treasure House Top Right)
LlisandurFF6 sent Item - Poko Poko Desert Pass to Flitter (Zone Eater Triple Bridge Left)
LlisandurFF6 sent Item - Progressive Level to Flitter (Veldt Cave North Upper Left)
LlisandurFF6 sent Progressive Sword to AFalcon-Lttp (Returners' Hideout North Room Secret Room)
LlisandurFF6 sent Dice Fragment to AF-Yacht (Narshe West Mines Right WoB)
LlisandurFF6 sent Dice Fragment to AF-Yacht (Mt. Kolts West Face North)
LlisandurFF6 sent Train Ticket to ArtiTTYD (Returners' Hideout North Room Bottom Right)
LlisandurFF6 sent Plane Curse to ArtiTTYD (Zozo West Tower North Right Pot)
LlisandurFF6 sent Progressive Hammer to ArtiTTYD (South Figaro Chocobo Stable Box WoR)
LlisandurFF6 sent Arms Upgrade to ryanmmx2 (Duncan's Cabin Bucket)
LlisandurFF6 sent Arms Upgrade to ryanmmx2 (South Figaro Mansion Basement East Room Far Right)
LlisandurFF6 sent Pink Tail to ryanffffffff (South Figaro Cave Eastern Passage WoB)
LlisandurFF6 sent Ladders in Hourglass Cave to Ixfox (South Figaro Mansion Basement East Cell)
LlisandurFF6 sent Sword Upgrade to Ixfox (South Figaro Basement Hidden Path Entrance)
LlisandurFF6 sent Diffusion Missile to Ixroid (South Figaro Basement 2 South)
LlisandurFF6 sent Plasma Beam to Ixroid (Narshe Treasure House Middle Right)
LlisandurFF6 sent Infant Metroid to Ixroid (Zone Eater Triple Bridge Right)
LlisandurFF6 sent Power Bomb Data to Ixroid (Tritoch)
LlisandurFF6 sent Royal Ring to Dessy-TS (South Figaro Basement Hidden Path North Right)
LlisandurFF6 sent CardCrateriaL2 to Dessy-SMZ3 (South Figaro Basement Hidden Path North Left)
LlisandurFF6 sent Mushroom to Dessy-SMZ3 (Zozo Cafe)
LlisandurFF6 sent KeyHC to Dessy-SMZ3 (Thamasa Inn Barrel)
LlisandurFF6 sent KeySW to Dessy-SMZ3 (Veldt Cave South Lower Left)
LlisandurFF6 sent KeySP to Dessy-SMZ3 (Ice Dragon)
LlisandurFF6 sent Hookshot to Dessy-MM (Thamasa Item Shop Barrel)
LlisandurFF6 sent Boss Key (Snowhead) to Dessy-MM (Narshe Treasure House Middle Left)
LlisandurFF6 sent Magic Bean to Dessy-MM (Albrook Docks Crate)
LlisandurFF6 sent Powder Keg to Dessy-MM (Narshe Moogle Lair WoR)
LlisandurFF6 sent BowWow to Dessy-LADX (Serpent Trench First Branch)
LlisandurFF6 sent Gravity Suit to Dessy-MP (Esper Mountain Side Slope)
LlisandurFF6 sent Item - Progressive Level to Emerassi (South Figaro Basement 2 Hidden Chest)
LlisandurFF6 sent Item - Tall, Tall Heights Pass to Emerassi (Zozo Armor Shop)
LlisandurFF6 sent Item - Progressive Level to Emerassi (Narshe Adventuring School Advanced Battle Tactics Chest)
LlisandurFF6 sent Item - Sara Sara Bazaar Pass to Emerassi (Narshe Elder's Clock)
LlisandurFF6 sent Item - Lost Penguin to Emerassi (South Figaro Arsenal Barrel WoR)
LlisandurFF6 sent Item - Boomer Society Pass to Emerassi (Mt. Kolts Exit)
LlisandurFF6 sent Item - Dog Bone to Emerassi (Zozo Esper Room Left)
LlisandurFF6 sent Triforce Shard 5 to WWeganought (Narshe Arvis's Clock)
LlisandurFF6 sent Progressive Shield to WWeganought (Narshe West Mines Left WoB)
LlisandurFF6 sent Seamoth Fragment to Meganoughtica (Narshe West Mines Right WoR)
LlisandurFF6 sent Bolero of Fire to Meganoot (Fanatics' Tower Seventeenth Floor)
midnight depot
Mind slowing down a tad?
I'd rather have an even amount of things to do all month instead of a lot to do early and nothing to do late
tender pelican
Sure.
dawn wigeon
It's that big sphere 1
rare oxide
ryanmmx2 sent Frog's Song of Soul to Dessy-LADX (Wheel Gator - Arms Capsule)
modern ivy
In order to keep the number of Items and Locations the same for regionsanity, I put in one extra location for every reason to balance out receiving a pass. The extra location is a freebie you get when you finish the whole region. So Castle Sequoia region completion... is asking you to get every single check in the whole castle lol. RIP to the flippers.
midnight depot
Hi. Let's play Crystal Project
I have somehow fucked up the installation
Turns out I didn't fuck up the installation. I just need to press start and connect after starting the game
weary lagoon
cool graphics
midnight depot
It's a really nice game
My first fight
Hmm
Universal tracker is incorrectly assuming I can reach regions I haven't gotten the pass for
fresh hill
oh boy even more bug reports
midnight depot
I'm not reporting that one, as the ingame tracker is convenient and fine
Flitter sent Small Key (Key Cavern) to La DxRomulus (Seaside Cliffs Chest - Peninsula past the standing stones jump puzzle)
Flitter sent Fairy to Ixfox (Seaside Cliffs Chest - Three Amigos Tres)
Flitter sent Bahamut to LlisandurFF6 (Seaside Cliffs Chest - In cliffs nook south of encampment)
Proving meadows NPCs seem to be interactable even though the tracker says they aren't. https://i.imgur.com/Opkbwn1.png
Oh I have the region pass, so the logic probably assumes I can't reach it
Flitter sent Shine Sprite to ArtiSMS (Seaside Cliffs Chest - MR SNIPS)
Flitter sent Item - Spawning Meadows Pass to Emerassi (Proving Meadows Shop - Item Merchant 1)
Flitter sent Skull Gem to ArtiTTYD (Proving Meadows Chest - Hidden behind the inn)
Flitter sent Gold Skulltula Token to Meganoot (Proving Meadows Shop - Item Merchant 5)
Flitter found their Job - Weaver (Proving Meadows Shop - Armor Merchant 7)
Flitter found their Item - The New World Pass (Proving Meadows Shop - Armor Merchant 14)
Flitter sent Item - Clamshell to Emerassi (Proving Meadows Shop - Accessories Merchant 1)
Flitter sent Fenrir to LlisandurFF6 (Proving Meadows Shop - Accessories Merchant 2)
And my first boss
Flitter sent Ocarina to Meganoot (Ganymede Shrine Shop - Attendant 3)
dawn wigeon
Dessy-SMZ3's Morph is at 5-3 Hot Springs Monkey 8 - Claxter in FlitterAE's World. ([u]priority[/u]) How far away is this for you? If I save now I can't leave until I get it, if I don't save I might lose some stuff...
dawn wigeon
hmm
midnight depot
I might finish the game before I can
Unless I somehow find a lot of world keys really fast
I'm sneaking into the desert early so I can do out of logic checks https://i.imgur.com/lbCN5qv.png
dawn wigeon
Well I can't brick my game for the whole month so I guess reset it is
midnight depot
Flitter sent Item - Elevator Part to Emerassi (Poko Poko Desert NPC - Silver in desert arch shade)
weary lagoon
Im surprised theres no mechanic to avoid bricking your game like that in SMZ3
modern ivy
https://i.imgur.com/bnUg9Uv.png
so if you use a home point before connecting it has a bad time huh. ok i've got a report filed for that now
midnight depot
Excellent!
modern ivy
My first fight
that's a pretty close fight!
i wonder what needs to be done to let Universal Tracker understand the passes.
midnight depot
I don't know, actually. Might be best to ask in the thread. Might be a similar problem to entrance rando
(Where you can implement explicit support)
fresh hill
fwiw I can help a lot with understanding Universal Tracker support in general
midnight depot
Hell yeah
fresh hill
the immediate question is whether you have any logic rules that are random or depend on slot data, without having specifically written UT support code to deal with that
midnight depot
So here's how passes work: A pass is an archipelago meta-item you receive that allows you to interact with enemies, NPCs and chests, but doesn't stop you from moving about in the map and platforming
Unrelated:
I have checks to get in east sara sara beach, but they're too high to get to, so I'll need to do this skip
Jump on the lamp, then jump on the fence, then on the wall, then on the cliffs.
This makes it possible to reach the checks below.
modern ivy
you know if i keep learning skips like these i'll start thinking of lights and lamps as platforms and not light sources
midnight depot
If you have a fish, you can also jump the gap east of me and switch to fish in the middle to make the jump
This lets you get into the back of the pyramid
Flitter sent Magma Key to ryanffffffff (Sara Sara Beach East Chest - Glittering in the sun at Ibek Cave exit 2)
modern ivy
i don't think any of our rules are random i'm not as sure abut the slot_data
switching to fish??
does it fall slower or something?
midnight depot
Fish has slightly floatier physics
modern ivy
interesting
now i'm wondering if the rules are written wrong somehow if UT thinks places without passes are reachable or if we wrote our rules correctly but so weird UT can't understand them
This is where we make the rule for each region
and then this is where we take a rule from being 'on a region' and apply it to every exit that leads to that region
a little wrapper around the default add_exits
fresh hill
to be clear, UT mostly just calls the usual AP APIs, there's no such thing as "so weird UT can't understand it" unless it's already "so weird AP can't understand it" (i.e. it doesn't work at all)
that first screenshot tells me that the rules do depend on player options, which is why trackers (both UT and poptracker packs) often have to fetch slot_data to produce the correct output
and a common part of UT support is tweaking apworld code to basically ask UT for the slot_data if you're being run inside of UT, since apworlds normally only generate the slot_data
midnight depot
Next, it looks like I have Capital Jail pass but I can't take the ship to Shoudu
https://i.imgur.com/5qDQYSc.png Which means I need to do the really annoying skip to the capital
modern ivy
heh, yeah either shenanigans or waiting =)
midnight depot
Wait nevermind, I have the ganymede stone which takes me right to Shoudu
modern ivy
to be clear, UT mostly just calls the usual AP APIs, there's no such thing as "s...
we did actually have one of those (the it doensn't work at all one) so I'm hesitant to rule it out in the future >.<
fresh hill
lol
midnight depot
The trickiest part is this jump https://i.imgur.com/T3QZIjD.png
modern ivy
good to know
midnight depot
The any% speedrun calls this the Around the World Skip
modern ivy
good name
fresh hill
we did actually have one of those (the it doensn't work at all one) so I'm hesit...
for a more complete answer, #1367996449270530080 message has world devs summarizing/linking/documenting their own UT support, which is super useful since everyone seems to hit a different subset of features/complications, but my Outer Wilds post in that thread covers what is IMO the simplest and most straightforward way to just make UT work and keep working no matter what you do with your logic in the future
midnight depot
While I'm here I may as well also grab the warp points https://i.imgur.com/1q6Bz3L.png
Oops
I fell into this chest and opened it
modern ivy
huh
midnight depot
Nevermind, I had the pass and didn't realize it
modern ivy
oh ok phew
i feel like we need a new icon for no pass or something that's different than generic out of logic
midnight depot
Yeah
Oh, but since I have the crag pass that means I have to evade the crag dragon
modern ivy
lol true
modern ivy
for a more complete answer, https://discord.com/channels/731205301247803413/1367...
ok i opened up those links and made myself a note to look through and give it a try
cold valve
let's play outer wilds
dr rOWmulus sent Ocarina to Meganoot (TH Ship Log: Village 1 - Identify)
midnight depot
Oh right, keys are shuffled
https://i.imgur.com/KthQUBe.png All four jail doors need keys
cold valve
dr rOWmulus found their Launch Codes (TH: Get the Translator from Hal) hell yeah
midnight depot
Nice
cold valve
dr rOWmulus sent Fixed Score Multiplier to AF-Yacht (TH: Talk to Hornfels)
midnight depot
I have one more region to check before being in BK mode
fresh hill
what was your OW spawn
cold valve
timber hearth, next to sun,. with giant's deep immediately next to it, so the eye opening probe launching is like REALLY close lol
fresh hill
nice
midnight depot
Flitter sent Biggoron Sword to Meganoot (Shoudu Waterfront Chest - Along the water)
cold valve
dr rOWmulus sent Fairy to Ixfox (TH: Ghost Matter Plaque)
midnight depot
Shoudu Waterfront is just the few checks from the first visit? I figured it might also have the shops on the pier or something
modern ivy
yeah it's just the early 3 that are reachable separately from the others
midnight depot
Well, while I have the game open I may as well get a few levels
cold valve
dr rOWmulus sent Item - Progressive Mount Instrument to Emerassi (TH: Zero-G Repairs)
dr rOWmulus found their HUD Corruption Trap (TH: Receive Hide & Seek Frequency) this is new, it lasts about 10 seconds
fresh hill
did you opt-in to any of the non-default new traps? 
cold valve
yeah
all of them
Meganoot sent Mobile Vehicle Bay Fragment to Meganoughtica (ZR GS Ladder)
dr rOWmulus sent Item - Delende Pass to Emerassi (TH Ship Log: Quantum Grove 2 - Poem)
lament tusk
thanks meganoot
i needed that
also please stop finding rupees folks! i need a wallet too!
cold valve
welp, got killed by a ship damage trap, didn't fix the reactor in time
midnight depot
That's probably enough for today. Next time I'll play Nine Sols
cold valve
dr rOWmulus sent Sun Stone to ArtiTTYD (GD: Gabbro's Camp Fuel Tank)
weary lagoon
thank you!
cold valve
dr rOWmulus sent Water Mask to Dessy-TS (BH: Feldspar's Spare Fuel Note)
dr rOWmulus sent KeyMM to Dessy-SMZ3 (AT Ship Log: ATP 1 - Entered)
dr rOWmulus sent Item - Poseidon Stone to Emerassi (BH: Riebeck's Surface Campsite Note)
dr rOWmulus sent Small Key (Gerudo Training Ground) to Meganoot (BH Ship Log: Gravity Cannon 1 - Activate)
cold valve
dr rOWmulus sent Ladders to West Bell to Ixfox (ET Ship Log: Chert's Camp 1 - Visit)
@fresh hill ice physics trap seems to last forever and it SUCKS
very fuel waste-y
cold valve
especially when you have no fuel capacity upgrades are are stuck in the sunless city waiting for sand to rise because oxygen isn't enough to get you over hills
nefarious! a worthy trap item
fresh hill
yeah, the reasoning was that there are a lot of places where ice physics makes no difference so if it only lasts a minute or two it's too likely to just be a non-trap
and everyone agreed it should be an opt-in trap regardless of duration
next time I play OW I'll probably give it a low-ish weight
cold valve
BK'd finally
hints:
[Hint]: dr rOWmulus's Signalscope is at Dwarf Castle -- West tower 3F -- bottom in ryanffffffff's World. (priority)
[Hint]: dr rOWmulus's Scout is at Facade Heart Container (Face Shrine) in La DxRomulus's World. (priority)
welp, this will be a largely scoutless run
i need the flippers to get into face shrine
weary lagoon
the reason this game is good is that you open it and the title shows up and Mario says "Super Mario Sunshine! Yahoo!"
he doesnt do that anymore..
lament tusk
why even play video games at all...
midnight depot
Wikipedia list of games where mario yells at you
weary lagoon
wow someone found the rocket nozzle
and 65 blue coins
this rando is finally in a state where changing nozzle doesnt suck ass the devs are awesome
lament tusk
let me know if you find any gold skull tokens!
lament tusk
this rando is finally in a state where changing nozzle doesnt suck ass the devs ...
oh?
weary lagoon
yeah you just hit a dpad button now
lament tusk
good devs
midnight depot
I have sent you this item by doing nothing FlitterNS sent Shine Sprite to ArtiSMS (FSP: Receive Peach Blossom Village Quest)
weary lagoon
ArtiSMS sent Genji Shld to LlisandurFF6 (Delfino Plaza - Pachinko Game)
this better be an amazing item
midnight depot
Help, what the fuck are all of these abbreviations, I don't remember the zone names https://i.imgur.com/V5GrO6Z.png
Genji shield is usually the highest defense shield in the game
weary lagoon
Shine get 
midnight depot
Lmao
midnight depot
FlitterNS sent Category Twos to AF-Yacht (AF (Monitoring): Examine Apeman Surveillance)
FlitterNS sent Bananas to Dessy-LADX (PR (West): Hack Statue)
FlitterNS sent Hookshot to AFalcon-MM (AF (Depths): Lower Level)
weary lagoon
Which game is only "Flitter"
midnight depot
Crystal Project
dawn wigeon
In the case of FF6, Genji Shld isn't the best shield, but it is a very high defense shield
weary lagoon
I had just finished an 8 red coins level, but then I fell through an object and died
thats classic Mario Sunshine
midnight depot
FlitterNS sent Double Defense to Meganoot (Examine Radiant Pagoda Control Panel)
Time to fight the big horse https://i.imgur.com/pJDJqhd.png
weary lagoon
😮
Petey Piranha strikes back...
is there any Mario Game where the bosses arent the worst part
midnight depot
TTYD
midnight depot
FlitterNS sent Blue Coin to ArtiSMS (Central Hall: Examine Launch Memoral)
Memorial*
midnight depot
Ah, the in-game tracker tells me I need to bribe the shanhai and also kill it. Doing so gives me one item in total
midnight depot
Collecting certain kinds of money (like from enemies or breakables) fails to give me anything
midnight depot
Or maybe it gives me that stuff later?
Thanks for Ji's hair. That's one go mode item
weary lagoon
AND Lost Penguin?!
midnight depot
Lost penguins are a collection minigame
FlitterNS sent 2 Puzzle Pieces to EmeJigsaw1 (LYR: Nymph Puzzle Room Near Stele)
FlitterNS sent 2 Puzzle Pieces to EmeJigsaw1 (LYR: Right of Leftmost Pool)
FlitterNS sent Item - Cell Key to Emerassi (LYR: Above Leftmost Pool)
FlitterNS sent Gun to Ixfox (LYR: First Chest in Leftmost Pool)
I will stop here. I had a lot of fun. Thanks for making it!
modern ivy
thanks @fresh hill for your example code for getting yamlless UT working. I had some stumbling blocks on the way but it was a good starting point and it works now
so hopefully UT won't troll people as much during regionsanity runs now
it's a good thing too because one of our most recent features has it creating dynamic locations based on the contents of your mods folder and there was 0 chance in hell that was going to play nice with UT without it
midnight depot
Hi. Let's play Ape Escape
Now, y'all sent me the most broken item in the game, but without a net I can't catch monkeys so I can't do too much with it https://i.imgur.com/DieZZS4.png
FlitterAE sent TotG Small Key to WWeganought (2-2 Dark Ruins Mailbox - Monkeys Lights (Obelisk Inside))
Greg for Meganought
lament tusk
no ive had a lot of green rupees
midnight depot
They're all gregs
midnight depot
Ape Escape is in PK mode
I'll do hints
[Hint]: FlitterAE's Time Net is at Southern Swamp Deku Trade Freestanding HP in Dessy-MM's World. (priority) Most of my checks are behind this
Let's check on Crystal Project since it's stuck at less completion than the others
Oh, I have delende and Ibek
Should be about 50 more checks
weary lagoon
PK mode?
midnight depot
BK mode
Flitter sent Progressive Bomb Bag to AFalcon-MM (Delende Chest - In fish hatchery)
Flitter sent Entanglement Rule to dr rOWmulus (Delende Shop - Armor Merchant camped in front of Pale Grotto 2)
Flitter sent Small Key (Eagle's Tower) to Dessy-LADX (Delende Shop - Armor Merchant camped in front of Pale Grotto 5)
Flitter sent Lens of Truth to Dessy-MM (Delende NPC - Dog Bone south of Soiled Den)
Flitter sent Suns Song to Meganoot (Delende Chest - Outside spooky cave)
lament tusk
sun song! yay
midnight depot
Flitter sent Item - Black Squirrel to Emerassi (Delende Chest - High up west mountainside)
Flitter sent CardMaridiaL1 to Dessy-SMZ3 (Underpass Chest - Grans subbasement loner)
You can get to the dry lake early by jumping on this save point, the cliff, the lantern, and the next cliff https://i.imgur.com/QjuTzIp.png
You can enter the castle with just a quintar, and do this jump to descend to the second floor https://i.imgur.com/K2DXDa4.png
Unfortunately need to beat the first boss to progress further, but theoretically you can do the whole thing with quintar
You can climb from Gaea shrine to boomer society to tall tall heights with an ibek https://i.imgur.com/F6snuCe.png
midnight depot
Flitter sent Black Key (Paper Curse) to ArtiTTYD (Tall, Tall Heights Chest - Above the Triton Shrine)
My game crashed!
Cannot reproduce
It happened after giving up on a fight, dying and respawning at beaurior volcano entrance, then pressing start and opening the world map
Flitter sent Timespinner Gear 2 to Dessy-TS (Sara Sara Beach East Region Completion)
midnight depot
Flitter sent Category Full House to AF-Yacht (Overpass Chest - West of Valkyrie Watchtower)
midnight depot
[Hint]: Flitter's Item - Capital Sequoia Pass is at Ikana Canyon Music Box Mummy in AFalcon-MM's World. (priority) Lots of checks are here, so it'd be nice to get it early
I am aware this check tends to be quite late though
modern ivy
game crash oh no, could you pull open the game log and send me the latest error message?
should be one folder up from your saves, something like this "C:\Users\Zephyr\Saved Games\Crystal Project\error.log"
midnight depot
Here you go. The earlier crash is there too:
System.ArgumentNullException: Value cannot be null.
Parameter name: source
at System.Linq.Enumerable.Where[TSource](IEnumerable`1 source, Func`2 predicate)
at Sang.AP.APManager.SetHomePointVisited(Int32 homePointId)
at Sang.Field.EntityAction.EntityAction.InterpretHomePointAction()
at Sang.Field.EntityAction.EntityActionProcessor.ProcessQueuedActions()
at Sang.Field.EntityAction.EntityActionProcessor.Update()
at Sang.Field.VoxelField.Update()
at Sang.Scene.SceneField.Update()
at Sang.Scene.SceneManager.Update()
at Sang.GameMain.UpdateTimeStep()
at Sang.GameMain.Update(GameTime gameTime)
at Microsoft.Xna.Framework.Game.Tick()
at Microsoft.Xna.Framework.Game.RunLoop()
at Microsoft.Xna.Framework.Game.Run()
at Sang.Program.Main()
2025-07-08 18:39:16
System.Exception: This id isn't in any of the unobtained lists something is bad: 1083
at Sang.AP.APManager.GetArchipelagoLocationIdForLocationId(Int32 locationId)
at Sang.AP.APManager.GetItemImportanceType(Int32 id)
at Sang.AP.APManager.GetBaseMapIconType(Int32 id, Boolean acceptAnyProgressiveLocation)
at Sang.AP.APManager.GetMapIconIndex(Int32 id, Boolean isMiniMap, Single playerHeight, Int32 iconHeight)
at Sang.Window.Field.Atlas.WindowAtlasMapViewer.DrawIcons(Vector2 mapPos)
at Sang.Window.Field.Atlas.WindowAtlasMapViewer.Draw()
at Sang.Window.WindowManager.Draw()
at Sang.Scene.SceneManager.Draw()
at Sang.GameMain.Draw(GameTime gameTime)
at Microsoft.Xna.Framework.Game.Tick()
at Microsoft.Xna.Framework.Game.RunLoop()
at Microsoft.Xna.Framework.Game.Run()
at Sang.Program.Main()
Something that might help with debugging is after I restarted, my game sent out the East Sara Sara Beach Completion check
fresh hill
has my rando broken yet
midnight depot
We'll find out when I get substantial movement abilities and it's not a slog to navigate
Or tomorrow, when I play a bit more
modern ivy
thanks for the error log
finite monolith
`[Hint]: Flitter's Item - Capital Sequoia Pass is at Ikana Canyon Music Box Mumm...
@midnight depot AFalcon-MM's Song of Healing is at Graveyard Dampe Pot 4 in Meganoot's World. ([u]priority[/u])
That's all I need for that check. I have a hookshot.
I just realized since it's a reply the @ is extremely dumb. Face palm.
fresh hill
I plan on playing my slots tomorrow btw
transitioning from vacation back to work just flatlined all my energy for a few days but I should be past that now
rare oxide
ryanffffffff sent Song of Time to Meganoot (Antlion Cave -- B1F -- top center-left)
ryanffffffff sent Pinna Park Ticket to ArtiSMS (Antlion Cave -- B1F -- top left)
ryanffffffff sent Dice Fragment to AF-Yacht (Antlion Cave -- B1F -- bottom left)
ryanffffffff sent Mobile Vehicle Bay Fragment to Meganoughtica (Antlion Cave -- B1F -- top right)
ryanffffffff sent Item - Old World Stone to Emerassi (Antlion Cave -- Treasure room -- chest)
ryanffffffff sent Seashell to Dessy-LADX (Antlion Cave -- B2F -- top left)
ryanffffffff sent Blue Coin to ArtiSMS (Antlion Cave -- Save room -- left)
ryanffffffff sent KeyMM to Dessy-SMZ3 (Antlion Cave -- B3F -- Antlion Nest item)
There was some stuff earlier that I missed, too.
ryanffffffff sent Sky Flyer to FlitterAE (Fabul -- East tower 3F (king's bedroom) -- Defend Fabul reward item)
ryanffffffff sent Pipe Vial to FlitterNS (Fabul -- East tower 3F (king's bedroom) -- chest)
ryanffffffff sent Item - Jidamba Tangle Pass to Flitter (Fabul -- East tower 2F -- pot)
ryanffffffff sent Item - The Deep Sea Pass to Flitter (Fabul -- West tower 1F -- pot)
ryanffffffff sent Volt Catfish Access Codes to LlisandurMMX3 (Fabul -- West tower 1F -- middle chest)
ryanffffffff sent Item - Quintar Reserve Pass to Flitter (Fabul -- West tower 1F -- bottom chest)
fresh hill
looks like today's goal will be getting Dessy's Varia Suit, and hopefully fully BKing this slot since "In Logic: 143 / 600" is pretty close to our multiworld completion %
Ixfox sent Sonata of Awakening to AFalcon-MM (Stick House - Pot 3)
Ixfox sent Small Key (Forest Temple) to Meganoot (Overworld - [East] Between Ladders Near Ruined Passage)
Ixfox sent Item - Luxury Key to Flitter (Overworld - [Central] Sign South of Checkpoint)
Ixfox sent Broom to Dessy-LADX (Overworld - [West] Key Pickup)
midnight depot
Thanks. That opens the storage room in the back of the luxury shop with some endgame junk
In the vanilla game this key is only found after you open the room
fresh hill
Ixfox sent Missile Expansion to Dessy-MP (Overworld - [Northwest] Shadowy Corner Chest)
@dawn wigeon Ixfox sent Varia Suit to Dessy-MP (Ruined Shop - Chest 2)
Ixfox sent Blue Coin to ArtiSMS (Overworld - [Southwest] Obscured In Tunnel To Beach) are these worth posting or more like GSTs?
Ixfox sent R.C. Car to FlitterAE (Overworld - [South] Beach Page)
Ixfox sent Item - Courtyard Key to Emerassi (Maze Cave - Maze Room Chest)
Ixfox sent Translator (Other) to dr rOWmulus (Ruined Atoll - [North] Guarded By Bird)
Ixfox sent Bottle to AFalcon-Lttp (Frog Stairs - [Upper] Pot 3)
midnight depot
`Ixfox sent Item - Courtyard Key to Emerassi (Maze Cave - Maze Room Chest)`
Courtyard key actually does nothing
It's a hint to players to tell them where to go but doesn't block any checks
fresh hill
Ixfox sent Palidor to LlisandurFF6 (Shop - Coin 2)
Ixfox sent Job - Ninja to Flitter (Ruined Atoll - [Southwest] Activate Fuse) are these "real" progression or a soft combat logic thing?
Ixfox sent Canal to LlisandurFF1 (Ruined Atoll - [South] Near Birds)
midnight depot
Job count locks progression, specific jobs can make specific fights much easier
The game has checks at 3, 7, 12, 15, and all jobs. All of these can be bypassed (except the last one which you have to turn on through a setting but once you do cannot be bypassed)
fresh hill
oh yeah, when I first got here in my original playthrough I thought these "sideway stairs" were a sign we'd get some kind of wall-walking or gravity manipulation item 
midnight depot
That would be so cool
fresh hill
time for everyone's favorite part of enemy rando
Ixfox sent Oxyale to LlisandurFF1 (Ruined Atoll - [Northwest] Activate Fuse)
Ruined Atoll BK'd
this crab tried so hard to get me but he just couldn't pathfind up those stairs
oh that's why all of Quarry and Upper Overworld are in logic despite me having neither of those ladders
but also ||early laurels 
|| so we are absolutely not BK'ing this slot after all
Ixfox sent Cane of Somaria to AFalcon-Lttp (Quarry - [Back Entrance] Pot 4)
Ixfox sent Item - Quintar Nest Pass to Flitter (Quarry - [East] Near Bridge)
Ixfox sent Item - Foliage Key to Emerassi (Quarry - Activate Fuse)
Ixfox sent Small Key (Turtle Rock) to Dessy-LADX (Quarry - [West] Explosive Pot near Bombable Wall 2)
let's stop there at 23.67% of Tunic; that's pretty close to my original goal for the day and full BK would be almost double that
rare oxide
ryanmmx2 sent Dragon Tingle Statue to WWeganought (Wire Sponge - Sub Tank)
ryanmmx2 sent 2 Puzzle Pieces to EmeJigsaw1 (Defeated Wire Sponge)
ryanmmx2 sent DkMatter to LlisandurFF4 (Wire Sponge - Heart Tank)
ryanffffffff sent Item - Progressive Mount Instrument to Flitter (Mt. Ordeals -- 1F -- top)
ryanffffffff sent Crystal Hunter to ryanmmx2 (Mt. Ordeals -- 3F ("7th Station") -- left)
dawn wigeon
<@100381061673930752> `Ixfox sent Varia Suit to Dessy-MP (Ruined Shop - Chest 2)...
Much appreciated
fresh hill
oh, Ixroid has only 1 location in logic, despite being at 7/126 = 5.56%
I believe I need Morph Ball to escape the main deck and visit any other parts of the map (and I have enough items the game's probably gonna jump to >70% in logic as soon as that's found...)
and there's not enough in logic to even hint it
lament tusk
ill get that soonish arti dw
nearly done with kid stuff before going adult, but seems dampe's race is loaded
lament tusk
the ceramic pots you smash for indivisual rupees mostly
finite monolith
The dead ends of the race?
lament tusk
i randomised them, along with crates, beehives and cows
and freestanding rupees, so those dead ends have things too
finite monolith
I hate that race so much, kudos to you. 😄
lament tusk
oh the actual race isnt randomised
lament tusk
oh i misread afalcon as arti
mb
weary lagoon
ok!
finite monolith
I've been a lot of other names, but Arti is a new one... strings it on my wrong name charm bracelet.
weary lagoon
no one has any hints in my games yet 😔
midnight depot
Hi. Let's play Nine Sols
Request: Instead of listing how many skill points you have in a save, an archipelago save could tell you how many checks you've gotten
lament tusk
sounds like a skill issue
midnight depot
What?
lament tusk
its an issue you have with skill tracking
midnight depot
I don't mind it actually
lament tusk
yes, but a skill i dont mind isnt as funny
fresh hill
that is unironically a good idea
though I'm hesitant to remove any information that's already there, it might be feasible to squeeze in more
if I can do it without hitting the server... not sure the save files know the total number?
well I'll think about it anyway
midnight depot
The save file can receive the total number on first connection
I always underestimate the amount of patience I need to have for this miniboss https://i.imgur.com/eCt4hbq.png
My connection died
I wonder if it's safe to keep playing and resync later
fresh hill
should be
lament tusk
fresh hill
I'd appreciate a test 
midnight depot
Nice! I will
lament tusk
i got more stuff but im taking a break
fresh hill
oh right, I still have
- why does <color="orange"> not work???
on my todo list
midnight depot
I'm getting the correct amount of jin from breakables immediately instead of after reload
finite monolith
There's that Pass you wanted Flitter.
midnight depot
Nice! Thanks
All right, let's test it
Well, after going back to main menu and loading the save again it's not sending anything. I'll try getting another check, then quitting fully and restarting
modern ivy
does the color orange tag need a matching closed tag at the end?
if it does i don't currently see one on the screen
i just picked up nine sols yesterday and it's bullying me lol
i just want to hollow knight slam and dodge, parrying is apparently hard to learn atm
midnight depot
Nine Sols can be brutal but it's worth it
fresh hill
there is a lot of dodging in 9S but you definitely need to learn parrying as well
midnight depot
I recommend playing your first run in story mode, and reducing the amount of damage you take so you have more time to experiment
All right, fully quitting the game and starting it back sends missing checks
fresh hill
cool, that's what 9S and OW are designed to do
midnight depot
FlitterNS sent Dice Fragment to AF-Yacht (CTH: Lower Left Vents)
FlitterNS sent Progressive Bombchu Bag to Dessy-MM (CTH: Hack 2 Statues)
FlitterNS sent Small Key (Fire Temple) to Meganoot (Yinglong Canal: Examine Farmland Markings)
One thing I struggled with was not knowing what each location contained unless I was online.
Oh
I clicked return to menu after getting this check
Then I quit the game and started it back again
When I did, the save placed me in a state where I haven't collected the check, but the archipelago part of the save recognized that I did and automatically sent it
This is an avenue for desyncs I did not expect
fresh hill
I can only assume you must've quit to menu at a very specific time in the chest opening sequence
midnight depot
I opened the chest and collected the check and immediately quit
fresh hill
the way 9S is built, it has a lot more variables saved to the save file than it really needs, so I would not be surprised if quitting halfway through a chest opening got the chest stuck in what is otherwise an impossible state (albeit harmlessly)
midnight depot
When I returned, the item was on the ground but the check was already sent
fresh hill
aaaah, ok that probably means the base game didn't write to the save file
(I do not attempt to poke the game to write saves more often than it's used to, since I have my own save files for rando state)
atm this all sounds fine, just interesting
midnight depot
It's perfectly possible to reach this state in the vanilla game without quitting to menu. Just pick up the item, and don't do anything that would autosave
fresh hill
yep, since I'm not trying to "fix" that
it's only a problem if you can get into a state where the AP location wasn't checked and it's impossible to check it, which it sounds like you cannot
midnight depot
No wonder my cat keeps swiping under the table
There was a soda can tab she wanted to play with and her legs were too short to reach it
This text color says "progression" to me
fresh hill
the colors are sent by the server, not my problem
but also that looks the same as text client to me?
midnight depot
Yeah but the issue is with the context it's in changing my perception
Let's cheese this guy https://i.imgur.com/XKv9bfR.png
The spikes cause him instant death https://i.imgur.com/KnO6ecS.png
Isn't there supposed to be an arrow refill in this arena? https://i.imgur.com/pJQmD3u.png
fresh hill
I know of two miniboss cheeses including this one
it's possible the miniboss broke it already
midnight depot
But I didn't get an arrow back
I did also do the other one where you lure the spear guy into lasers
FlitterNS sent Modification Station Fragment to Meganoughtica (AF (Depths): Upper Right Chest (2nd Reward))
I figure the teleport screen is different from the map screen for a good reason but is it possible to show one of the following:
1- how many checks I can get in a region in the teleport screen
2- whether I can warp to a region in the map screen
That way I don't have to switch and keep a name in mind
fresh hill
the short answer is in the base game teleporting is limited enough to make the separate menu a good idea, and in a modded context trying to combine them somehow would be a lot of work and risk
but those are good points and I may be able to do something with them
we already have a lot of thoughts on turning the map into an in-game tracker someday
midnight depot
It already is an in-game tracker in the sense it shows locations I haven't checked
"Why are you here, Yi?" - Shuanshuan
Fine I'll leave
https://i.imgur.com/JCTnn59.png Did you notice that enemies here have reduced HP?
fresh hill
I did not actually
I think rando was the only time I've done the boat sequence while underpowered
midnight depot
Instead of just placing weaker enemies so you can beat them on time, they gave them all less HP. The yellow arrow guys die from one of my arrows instead of 1.5ish
The big summoning dude that slams on the ground seems to have half or two thirds HP?
No skipping the goumang dialogue
fresh hill
indeed, we tried, it broke
finite monolith
My red crystals are in their vanilla location.
midnight depot
I wonder if it's reasonable to just make it so french vanilla can never happen
finite monolith
I need to go look at my .yaml.
midnight depot
FlitterNS sent Item - Clamshell to Emerassi (Chest After Goumang (1st Reward))
finite monolith
Okay, so Hammer or Progressive Glove and I'm in Go mode. I forgot to make ganon_pedestal as goal.
midnight depot
FlitterNS sent Priority Mail to Dessy-MM (GoS (Entry): Lower Left Caves)
FlitterNS sent Alien Containment to Meganoughtica (GoS (Entry): Near Greenhouse Roof)
I will stop here. Next time I'll do the factory
midnight depot
no one has any hints in my games yet 😔
[Hint]: FlitterNS's Air Dash is at Sirena Beach - Third Floor Lamp Blue Coin in ArtiSMS's World. (priority) Can you find this?
I also need this [Hint]: FlitterNS's Unbounded Counter is at Sara Sara Beach East Chest - Glittering in the sun at Ibek Cave exit 2 in Emerassi's World. (priority)
[Hint]: FlitterNS's Abandoned Mines Access Token is at Lunar Subterrane -- B7 (right room) -- Ribbon Left in ryanffffffff's World. (priority) and this
fresh hill
just fight Eigong without UC, it's totally doable
finite monolith
Not the hammers, I need one! lol
fresh hill
it would be fitting if breaking the hammers dropped a hammer
midnight depot
Oh yeah it does have a check
fresh hill
and if you have enough seals to spawn Jiequan he'll just stand there menacingly while you break them
midnight depot
He should just not take me to jail
cold valve
I wonder if i have any dungeon entrance keys yet. I'll have to check when I get home
midnight depot
I could play a little Crystal Project too
fresh hill
I wasn't even looking at my text client and my peripheral vision just felt that shopping spree happen
midnight depot
Yeah the capital has like two hundred checks
fresh hill
yeah this looks crazier than AHiT Nyakuza Metro with all passes
midnight depot
Flitter sent Small Key (Key Cavern) to Dessy-LADX (Capital Sequoia Chest - Accompanied by blue flower pair in maze)
Flitter sent Dins Fire to Meganoot (Capital Sequoia Shop - Map Seller 3)
Flitter sent Missile Expansion to Dessy-MP (Capital Sequoia Shop - Map Seller 6)
modern ivy
if you end up turning on mods almost every mod seems to want to add even more stores to capital sequoia
so it gets even goofier
midnight depot
Flitter sent Modification Station Fragment to Meganoughtica (Capital Sequoia Shop - Map Seller 10)
Flitter sent Progressive Sword to AFalcon-Lttp (Capital Sequoia NPC - Impress the Luxury Equipment Shop Bouncer with 6 jobs collected)
Flitter sent New Wave Bossa Nova to AFalcon-MM (Capital Sequoia Shop - Heavy Armor 4 All 1)
Flitter sent Maggie's Letter to WWeganought (Capital Sequoia Shop - Item Merchant 5)
Flitter sent Ray Splasher to LlisandurMMX3 (Capital Sequoia Shop - Exotic Weapons R Us 4)
Flitter sent Item - Cerulean Book to Emerassi (Capital Sequoia Shop - Martial Weapons R Us 8)
Flitter sent Fire Arrows to Meganoot (Capital Sequoia Shop - Martial Weapons R Us 17)```
I skipped a few progressions hereI'm of the opinion that mods never reach the same standards of balance Crystal Project has
So I typically avoid most of them
fresh hill
if you end up turning on mods almost every mod seems to want to add even more st...
reminds me of how OW with everything on ends up with 3+ checks just for starting the game
modern ivy
lol
that's great
we have a silly bug in crystal project right now where if you turn on regionsanity it adds a check to every region for finishing every other check in the region
but if you turn off shopsanity suddenly the neptune shrine has no other checks
so you start the game and it's like YOU COMPLTED THE NEPTUNE SHRINE GOOD JOB
like mate i'm in spawning meadows are you ok?!?!
fresh hill
technically not a bug 
modern ivy
true
midnight depot
Is it possible to restore the normal inventory to shops after you buy the archipelago checks?
Flitter sent Fairy to Ixfox (Capital Sequoia Chest - Beneath grand staircase)
Flitter sent Empty Bottle to WWeganought (Capital Sequoia Shop - Magic and Magic Things Weapons 10)
I am out of money and need to unlock the remaining shops
modern ivy
i don't think it's possible
at the moment i think your options are sell stuff or go kill mobs
midnight depot
No no
I want to buy accessories from the accessory merchant so I can stock everyone up
midnight depot
Yeah
modern ivy
it should be possible to code it that way
midnight depot
You can lock buying the items or lock the whole shop!
fresh hill
that feels potentially very important if a mod adds a shop with a unique item
modern ivy
for sure
midnight depot
Flitter sent Neptune Fuel Reserve to Meganoughtica (Capital Sequoia Shop - Accessory Merchant 8)
Since I have the owl, the whole game is wide open, even impassably high cliffs like this one https://i.imgur.com/zmt0BZV.png
Step 1: Jump without a mount.
Step 2: Before you hit the apex of the jump, while you're still going up, open the start or favorites menu.
Step 3: Hold the jump button.
Step 4: Select and use the owl drum. Keep holding the jump button.
And there you go
fresh hill
this sounds a little like the Ender Lilies platforming rando expects but vanilla doesn't
midnight depot
This momentum maintaining bug works with everything but is mostly useful with mounts that glide
Even allows you to get to this chest without any fights Flitter sent Item - Elevator Part to Emerassi (Castle Sequoia Chest - Throne snacks)
Flitter sent World Key to FlitterAE (Quintar Nest Chest - Welcome)
modern ivy
i feel like we gotta come up with a solution for elevator parts at some point
just a big pile of key items that get you access to a zone you almost definitely already had access to at that point
midnight depot
Turn them all into one check
Instead of having to find nine of eleven or something, you find one elevator repair kit
fresh hill
like Nine Sols' elevator pass?
midnight depot
Oh I did not notice that
I was like "Oh nice I can just use all elevators? This must be a quality of life thing"
midnight depot
Flitter sent Feldspar's Signal to dr rOWmulus (Quintar Reserve Chest - Hollowed-out wall of Mausoleum)
Flitter sent Cabana Deed to WWeganought (Dione Shrine NPC - Glide SW from top of shrine to Gold)
I will stop here
I hope to play Ape Escape tomorrow and bring my average to the group average
Or maybe not, I only have two levels and I still need my time net for most checks
midnight depot
Hi. Ape escape has like eight checks left. Let's play Crystal Project instead
midnight depot
Flitter sent Small Key (Fire Temple) to Meganoot
modern ivy
good call, i should also play more crystal project
midnight depot
This low-equipment build is coming together
Spiritmaxxing so I can do chi bursts on high-defense bulls
Chi Burst just ignores defense, and clerics have so much spirit they are useless
midnight depot
Flitter sent Bomb Bag to Meganoot (Poko Poko Desert Chest - Cooling off in the tent before the Tower of Zot)
Flitter sent KeyPD to Dessy-SMZ3 (Poko Poko Desert NPC - Gold Ingot atop ridge south of North Lookout Tower)
Flitter sent Quarry Fuse 2 to Ixfox (Poko Poko Desert Chest - This chests (on) a butte)
Flitter sent BigKeyMM to Dessy-SMZ3 (Poko Poko Desert Chest - Central Lookout Tower (ok maybe that jumping puzzle wasnt that bad))
lament tusk
bomb bag! yay~! now i dont need to only use super expensive bombchus
dawn wigeon
Hi. Ape escape has like eight checks left. Let's play Crystal Project instead
If you haven't sent morph yet that would be pretty cool though. Blocks a ton of SMZ3
fresh hill
my morph is even more important; Ixroid's stuck at 5% until we find that (or Speed Booster?)
midnight depot
Morph is Dessy-SMZ3's Morph is at 5-3 Hot Springs Monkey 8 - Claxter in FlitterAE's World. (priority)
I need ten more world keys to reach it
And I need time net
FlitterAE's Time Net is at Southern Swamp Deku Trade Freestanding HP in Dessy-MM's World. ([u]priority[/u])
It's locked up harder than fort knox
midnight depot
Ah my bad. English is not my native language so I sometimes make word choices that are a tad off
It was here all along https://i.imgur.com/g8TBAKO.png
Flitter found their Item - Sara Sara Bazaar Pass (Tall, Tall Heights Shop - Armor Merchant 5)
Flitter sent Neptune Gantry to Meganoughtica (Tall, Tall Heights Shop - Weapon Merchant 7)
Flitter sent Item - Special Milk to Emerassi (Tall, Tall Heights Shop - Weapon Merchant 8)
Flitter sent Mask of Truth to Dessy-MM (Tall, Tall Heights Shop - Weapon Merchant 9)
With the bazaar pass I can also do more shopping!
Flitter sent Bottle of Red Potion to AFalcon-MM (Sara Sara Bazaar Shop - Weapon Merchant 6)
Flitter sent Seashell to Dessy-LADX (Sara Sara Bazaar Shop - Weapon Merchant 9)
Flitter sent Great Fairy Mask to Dessy-MM (Sara Sara Bazaar Shop - Item Merchant 6)
Flitter sent Package to LlisandurFF4 (Sara Sara Bazaar Shop - Item Merchant 7)
Flitter sent Postman's Hat to Dessy-MM (Sara Sara Bazaar Shop - Accessory Merchant 5)
Flitter sent Shine Sprite to ArtiSMS (Sara Sara Bazaar Shop - Accessory Merchant 4)
Flitter sent Nightmare Key (Turtle Rock) to Dessy-LADX (Sara Sara Bazaar Shop - Fish Merchant 1)
Flitter sent Progressive Bow to Dessy-MM (Sara Sara Bazaar NPC - Quintar West Stable Owner)
I did NOT think of that before https://i.imgur.com/5nAGW3G.png
You can sneak into jail from the continental tram
That way you don't need the south wing key, just door keys.
Or you can skip one of the door keys
Another crash
modern ivy
sent you a progressive level and a pass
rare oxide
ryanffffffff sent Boat Curse to ArtiTTYD (Mt. Hobs -- Summit -- chest)
ryanffffffff sent Item - Progressive Level to Flitter (Mt. Hobs -- Save area -- center-left)
ryanffffffff sent Swamp Fuse 1 to Ixfox (Mt. Hobs -- Save area -- rightmost)
fresh hill
ah, for once I can go through swamp's main door
weary lagoon
holy fk boat curse
midnight depot
Thanks
Ape Escape finally has enough checks I need more than a minute and a half to get them, so let's clean up
midnight depot
FlitterAE sent Small Key (Bottom of the Well) to Meganoot (1-1 Fossil Field Mailbox - Don't Toss Your Cookies! (Main))
FlitterAE sent Job - Assassin to Flitter (2-1 Thick Jungle Mailbox - Monkeys are Hiding (Entry))
FlitterAE sent Magic Wand to Ixfox (7-2 Wabi Sabi Wall Coin - Barrel Room)```BK mode
[Hint]: FlitterAE's Magic Punch is at Matoya in LlisandurFF1's World. (priority)
In Ape Escape I set my specter token requirement to six, and seven are in the world
I need at least six to beat the game, but otherwise they don't unlock any checks
finite monolith
AFalcon-MM's Zora Mask is at Salmon Pass Chest - Admiring the hidden waterfall in Flitter's World. (Allows me clear out most of the Ba area)```ack w/e
fresh hill
hm
yeah tracker says I can get that
as long as Ixroid's stuck I was thinking of doing another Tunic session, this gives me a good excuse to make it about East Forest
finite monolith
Appreciate it. I cleared out the well with one bottle yesterday.
fresh hill
also forgot to mention Tunic has UT map pages now, so I no longer need to open both UT and poptracker to get set up
finite monolith
You gave me that Bottle, did you think I wasn't going to use it?
midnight depot
I wouldn't do the well or the zora eggs with less than two bottles unless I had something really important there
dawn wigeon
In MM archi you only need one egg for the Zora egg check
midnight depot
That's good. I only ever played MM via OoTMM
dawn wigeon
Yeah there's a few things like that
Blue dog always wins the race by like half the track
You can roll into Odolwa to one-shot him
Beavers are only one race per check instead of two
fresh hill
I'm so glad I don't have the headache of trying to decide whether emulated OoT and MM or the combined OoTMM or the recompilations or more than one of the above are the projects devs and players should be focusing on from now on
weary lagoon
Blue dog always wins the race by like half the track
What, even if you dont pick him?
I want the real umamusume experience
finite monolith
If you get the Mask of Truth and pick up all the other dogs, they are all "How will I ever beat Blue Dog?"
The blue dog says something like "..."
modern ivy
lmao
finite monolith
AF-Yacht's Roll Fragment is at Eblan Castle -- West tower 2F -- top-left pot in ryanffffffff's World.
AF-Yacht's Roll Fragment is at Glitzville Main Square: Thunder Bolt in ArtiTTYD's World. Would like one of these. Seems to indicate that there's 2 more somewhere as I need 3 to earn an extra roll.
weary lagoon
I should be able to get that when I come home on tuesday.
cold valve
let's check my checks
La DxRomulus sent KeyPD to Dessy-SMZ3 (Tunic Fairy Item 2 (Color Dungeon))
La DxRomulus sent Progressive Bow to AFalcon-Lttp (Paphl Cave (Tal Tal Mountains))
BK
[Hint]: La DxRomulus's Slime Key is at Eblan Castle -- Basement -- right in LlisandurFF4's World. (priority)
[Hint]: La DxRomulus's Pegasus Boots is at ED (Sanctum): Above East Rooftop in FlitterNS's World. (priority)
[Hint]: La DxRomulus's Flippers is at Castle Sequoia Region Completion in Flitter's World. (priority)
dr rOWmulus found their Supernova Trap (TH Ship Log: Nomai Mines 1 - Shell) welp, this is exactly what it says on the tin
cold valve
dr rOWmulus sent Bombchus to Meganoot (BH: Scan Banjo Signal)
ok, so, i jumped in my ship which was parked on the BH gravity cannon immediately as that chunk fell into the black hole, and i spawned inside my ship, but also this is here
oh this is why
it telefragged solanum's shuttle
fresh hill
nice
cold valve
dr rOWmulus sent Fairy to Ixfox (DB: Feldspar's Camp Fuel Tank)
dr rOWmulus sent Roll Fragment to AF-Yacht (DB Ship Log: Feldspar's Camp 1 - Status)
dr rOWmulus sent Small Key (Stone Tower) to Dessy-MM (DB Ship Log: Frozen Jellyfish 3 - Do Not Eat)
dr rOWmulus sent Item - Clamshell to Emerassi (Ship Log: Sun Station 2 - Test Result)
BK
[Hint]: dr rOWmulus's Scout is at Facade Heart Container (Face Shrine) in La DxRomulus's World. (priority) need flippers and progressive power bracelet for this
[Hint]: dr rOWmulus's Imaging Rule is at Shop Item in LlisandurFF1's World. (priority)
[Hint]: dr rOWmulus's Shrine Door Codes is at 5-3 Hot Springs Coin - Polar Bear Cave in FlitterAE's World. (priority)
midnight depot
Hot spring again
finite monolith
@tender pelican When will you be in FF4 again? And how far is Rydia's mom? Is that the first or second time? I've only played that game twice.
tender pelican
I think someone sent me the package so I should be able to just go get it.
tender pelican
Ok, not the package, need to find a specific boss.
midnight depot
Hi
We're almost halfway through the month
Ape Escape is still waiting for the time net so let's play Nine Sols
Shit, fuck
the moment I decide to play they start a maintenance
Well it's good that Nine Sols works offline
modern ivy
unfortunate timing lol
midnight depot
Can I get to the empyrean district without an air dash?
Let's see if talisman dashes are enough
modern ivy
oh man i have puzzle pieces lets goooo
midnight depot
In the factory with no unbounded counter
Guess I'll take the lag on the chin and pass through
Parrying with audio off is way harder
Weird quirk
If you pause the game just as a talisman explosion happens, parts of the animation keep playing and parts don't
So when you unpause you get a partial animation
You have spelled your own doom https://i.imgur.com/LuC7pZS.png
modern ivy
he lives in that pit now
midnight depot
The moment he moves he touches the spikes and takes damage
Can't talisman dash through this one, https://i.imgur.com/1yyTpy5.png
Is it impossible to reach the great warehouse for my setup?
Oh archipelago updated to 0.6.2
Jak and Daxter (Implementation by @markus) shapez (Implementation by @Slimey) Super Mario Land 2: The Golden Coins (Implementation by @Alchav)
The entire look of the Archipelago Launcher and Clients has also been overhauled, now using the KivyMD library. (Thank you, @Silvris!)```Empyrean district, tiandao research center, grotto of scriptures, outer warehouse are a hassle to navigate without air dash
Let's stop here
FlitterNS sent Shine Sprite to ArtiSMS (ED (Passages): Alcove Right of Root Node 1st Chest)
FlitterNS sent Artifact of Truth to Dessy-MP (GoS (East): Guarded By Phantom Ninja)
FlitterNS sent Small Key (Angler's Tunnel) to La DxRomulus (Factory (GH): Recording Device in Platform Puzzle Room)
FlitterNS sent Cyan to LlisandurFF6 (Factory (U): Above Root Node)
FlitterNS sent Earth Crystal to ryanffffffff (ED (Passages): Slider Right Of Root Node)
FlitterNS sent Moblin's Letter to WWeganought (GoS (East): Lurkers Under Tunnel Walkway)```I'll stop here and wait for items
Other than unbounded counter and air dash I don't even know what to hint for
So what next?
Overall completion is 38%, ape escape is lagging behind
I need more stuff to proceed
Let's check the important crystal project hints
midnight depot
Flitter sent Item - Cell Key to Emerassi (The Undercity Boss - Shadow Master)
Flitter sent Item - Rolling Quintar Fields Pass to Emerassi (The Undercity Boss - Blade Master) It's out of logic so don't go there
midnight depot
Another crash upon opening world map
Flitter sent Item - Red Door Key to Emerassi (Salmon Bay NPC - Quintar splish splash Ancient Tablet A)
Flitter sent Prawn Suit Fragment to Meganoughtica (Salmon Bay Chest - Cliff diving)
Flitter sent 2 Puzzle Pieces to EmeJigsaw1 (The Deep Sea NPC - Middle of nowhere sandy speedster crab)
Flitter found their Item - Sara Sara Beach West Pass (Jidamba Tangle NPC - Canopy Gold above big lake)
Flitter sent Artifact of Elder to Dessy-MP (Jidamba Tangle Chest - Island in the river through the foliage)
Flitter sent Vivian to ArtiTTYD (Jidamba Tangle Chest - Atop overgrown building E of Eaclaneya)
Shine sprite get
Flitter sent Progressive Bow to AFalcon-MM (Sara Sara Beach West Chest - South of Beach Birds Nest)
modern ivy
Another crash upon opening world map
best i can tell this is caused specifically by managing to open the world map after you send a check but before the server responds and confirmed that you sent the check, so if you wait a second it should avoid the issue (until next patch, maybe that'll be monday?)
midnight depot
Flitter sent Neptune Cockpit to Meganoughtica (The Deep Sea NPC - Tall tall crab S of volcano)
Hell yeah I love workarounds
I'll give it a few tries and see if it's reproducible
Yep, it works
Don't go to the world map until the item message disappears
Flitter sent Shine Sprite to ArtiSMS (Delende Chest - Looking for love in all the high places (glide to the heart tarn)) I'll stop here
Actually I should check zora mask
That's the reason I started the game up to begin with
Nope, missing pass
Let's hint for what I need to beat the game
[Hint]: Flitter's Job - Beatsmith is at Toroia Town -- Exterior -- grass, left in ryanffffffff's World. (priority)
[Hint]: Flitter's Job - Shaman is at Gelato Beach - Sand Shine at Sand Cabana Blue Coin in ArtiSMS's World. (priority)
[Hint]: Flitter's Job - Beastmaster is at Ice Cave Incentive Floor (B2) - Major in LlisandurFF1's World. (priority)```Archipelago says these are the earliest jobs in progression (aside from Shaman which I just want for easier combat)
I need every job to beat the game
modern ivy
midnight depot
LlisandurFF1 sent Job - Beastmaster to Flitter (Ice Cave Incentive Floor (B2) - Major) thanks!
dawn wigeon
Dessy-MM sent Time Net to FlitterAE (Southern Swamp Deku Trade Freestanding HP)
midnight depot
Nice!
fresh hill
@midnight depot have you played Nine Sols since the AP 0.6.2 release? I got one report of it not working which I strongly suspect is a confused user, but technically no one's told me it is working yet...
midnight depot
I played and it worked. I will check today