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#Archipelago Multiworld Multi-game Randomizer
lament tusk
oh
oh no
oh no no no
weary lagoon
no early song of soaring for me i guess
lament tusk
thats just funny
player 3 skull tokens are worthless
3 peices of heart, 10 rupees and a skull token for me at 50
amazing
midnight depot
Inb4 Artiks is stuck at 40 GSTs and he needs one more from Meganought
weary lagoon
early double defense is nice
lament tusk
oh double defense for arti? this early?
ooooh thank you arti! boomerang
thats like
20 checks or something
these are great
weary lagoon
1/40!
lament tusk
lootman swamp title deed
also, i just got a peice of heart but it didnt heal me
this is annoying because i currently only have one heart and the beepping is annoying
yay's fairy bow
ill remember to forget how the powder keg check works again arti, dont worry
also that moment when you run up to a gold skull only for the day/night trigger to happen :(
weary lagoon
Flitter isnt playing
lament tusk
sorry you;re right, that was a brain fart
weary lagoon
time to take a break now, running time
lament tusk
ah i did wonder why i randomly got minuet of forest when i accidentely walked in
ok, so, imBK mode now
i have a lot of green checks, but they need buttons on my ocarina lol
i know where lootmans boomerang is, so dont bother hinting that, its the deku butler race so it will take a while to get
i akso know where an ~MM bottle for arti is, but it needs200 rupees
i have an adult wallet but no easy way to grind that much rupies and its not urgent as mm isnt unlocked, so ill do it later
weary lagoon
you could go check your clock town shops
to spend rupees since your mm wallet is probably full by now
or just put em in the bank
lament tusk
oh yes good idea
weary lagoon
right before I quit the game I found deku sticks and nuts in zoras domain so I can actually attack now
midnight depot
Turns out I don't leave until tomorrow so hi
lament tusk
my mm trading post has magic for 30 and your hero sheild for 30
but i only have 20 rupees
weary lagoon
hi
lament tusk
Turns out I don't leave until tomorrow so hi
so, we can do D&D today? /jk
weary lagoon
MM has a good rupee grind with the pots outside swamp archery
you can just go in and out the door and destroy the pots over and over they have like 25 rupees every time
lament tusk
thnaks!
weary lagoon
Lol I junked zora eggs but forgot to junk frogs 
at least I think theres always a hint stone in the game that tells you what the frogs reward is
lament tusk
you can get 7 rupees throwing pots outside the swamp witches so i got the money there
weary lagoon
I junked HBA cause I know you dont like it
I junked everything on the moon cause its annoying and once you're there you just wanna beat Majora
lament tusk
hba?
weary lagoon
Horseback Archery
lament tusk
ah
lament tusk
i think it works better on this emulator, but thank you
weary lagoon
and then finally I junked big poe reward in OoT because in this game you need 10 like in vanilla unlike the 1 in AP
lament tusk
dont mind that one as much, its just timeconsuming rather than hard but understanable
back to BK tho
magic is nice, dont have anything that uses it but still
weary lagoon
hmm
the lua script is gone
all good now, maybe it was opening the project64 that was still zipped
saved
lament tusk
yey you dont need to do it
weary lagoon
lets see whats inside dodongos cavern
GTG
thats scary as a child with no items
clock for Yay 😎
weary lagoon
i got you the bow and light arrow so you could go for ganondorf now
lament tusk
nice
weary lagoon
my clock town shop had my kokiri sword OoT 
My oot is in bk mode now. gonna hold off on exploring MM without the song of time for now.
sage dawn
@weary lagoon Do you have moon crash on reset or loop? Also are clocks progressive?
weary lagoon
its reset and yes in ascending order
sage dawn
Okay good that means song of time and mm ocarina should be sphere zero
With it on loop they can be anywhere and having to watch the moon crash cutscene for half the seed sucks
weary lagoon
not nececarilly sphere zero right but pretty early since MM isnt in logic
sage dawn
If it's not required to be sphere zero then that could be pretty dicey with multiworld lol
Watch mine be on your moon
weary lagoon
moon is junked 😎
midnight depot
HBA is also junk
midnight depot
Is that it for junked so I can mark all the junk stuff off?
weary lagoon
in the middle of the MM map
lament tusk
oh thanks for the fairy bow, light arrows, deku nut upgrade and deku stick upgrade arti
unfortunatly no progression
weary lagoon
skulls are very important for me 😊
lament tusk
he needs 40 for one of the C buttons
i think this is the first time the skulls actually had a good check?
midnight depot
I have a good check about 50% of the time in my OoT games
lament tusk
well i've never had a good check
midnight depot
You could set the locations to be priority
lament tusk
i... dont want to
midnight depot
That's fair because then you'd actually have to do them
lament tusk
its an interesting challenge when something critical is locked there, but not something i;d want to do every time
and its also more fun if it crops up naturally
midnight depot
Even if you set them as priority the odds that a gold skulltula token or another useless priority check will get shuffled there are pretty high
lament tusk
sets gold skulls as priority
rando makes tokens as priority items
game puts tokens behind token checks
midnight depot
There's a hundred of them so they outcrowd other priority items
The only way to prevent this is don't randomize them
weary lagoon
Yay do you know if I can get anything done in GTG as a child
lament tusk
probably some of the combat sections if you have a weapon
midnight depot
With stick jump slashes and deku nuts you can reliably deal four damage at a time
With keys you can do the center. With boomerang and bombs you can do the right side, and with 20-30 deku sticks and nuts you can do the left side
weary lagoon
I have none of those things
midnight depot
With slingshot you might be able to hit the eye button?
weary lagoon
i think so but dont have that either
unless someone has found it
i got the skull mask
thats one check!
sage dawn
If you learn ISG and have sticks the combat rooms are easy on child
weary lagoon
oh boy
So do you know what happens if I havent unlocked any clocks yet? Do I game over when it turns night?
magic for Mega
lament tusk
without clocks time doesnt progress, npc's are frozen in place
weary lagoon
oh did you try it?
lament tusk
no
i think they;re just cosmetic, you just wont be able tosee how time is progressing but it does normally
weary lagoon
how did you go north without bow
weary lagoon
ah ye..
sage dawn
Sane with the stuff in ikana
weary lagoon
ive just written it down
I didnt get any child oot items so I guess we're waiting for lootman now!
thanks for hoverboots and zora mask though
sage dawn
Are bombchus in logic?
weary lagoon
nah
sage dawn
Okay, then I'm getting my A button but it's out of logic. Locked behind bombs
It's the last button I need for song of time, so it lets me do a lot of out of logic stuff
weary lagoon
wow!
midnight depot
weary lagoon
me with no ocarina and no buttons 
midnight depot
Archipelago game with FF1 and FFMQ arranged by the FF1 randomizer server
lament tusk
me with no ocarina and no buttons <:thumbsupcat:471601096696135700>
same lol
sage dawn
Probably in Lootman's world?
Since I don't actually have bombs everything in MM is technically out of logic for me. So either my bombs are in his world or he's got the goods for you too
And I only have four checks left in MM so it's unlikely it'll be there
fiery mason
idk if i dont get this but i bought that, and then checked a grotto and got kokiri sword player 1 oot again?
midnight depot
idk if i dont get this but i bought that, and then checked a grotto and got koki...
It sends what you have and receives the actual one
weary lagoon
Yeah the actual item is "Progressive sword". So you sent me master sword, then biggoron sword.
oh the giants knife, not biggoron sword
sage dawn
Oh nice bomb bag
That puts a lot in logic for me, but I'm heading to bed at the moment
weary lagoon
I got two swords and a boomerang. Only gives me out of logic night skulls
lament tusk
slingshot, hero's sheild, mask of truth (oot) postman hat, larger magic, the a button, oot bombs, c up, master sword, mm bottle! wow
oot ocarina for lootman
think i laredy gave him one so thats not helpful
lament tusk
...really? dodongo, the easiest dungeon for me to get to, is gannon's castle?
you were right arti, i CAN do gannon now, i might have to kill him very early in fact
it had yay's feirc deity mask! wow
my MM ocarina too, wow
that was just the 4 scrubs in the fairy room
glad i explored
midnight depot
Don't forget to also go for the ice trial. The chests there require no items
With a bombchu you can get the two chests in spirit trial
lament tusk
also the shadow trial has a chest you can get as a kid
oh thansk for reminding me about that
the shadow trial bloks of time are there a a kid
midnight depot
Oh I forgot those existed
lament tusk
fun fact: when you use the song of time, those blocks travel back/forward 7 years
so they;re there in adult dungeons as a kid by default
how do i get the last raised silver rupee in the spirit trial?
weary lagoon
think i laredy gave him one so thats not helpful
The ocarina of time lets you time travel in this game.
lament tusk
oh then neat!
wait, does this mean i need to get adult link before i can unlock mm?
the light medalian check?
progressive oot sword for lootman
lament tusk
my stones are in jabu jabu, shadow and snowhead, and they give arti's chateau romani and my bolero of fire
kinda sucks, i think that means i arti cant reliable get unlimited mm magic
lament tusk
progressive strength for arti
i think goron bracelet is prog str
lament tusk
game: bottom of well is foolish choice
also game: bottom of well has garo mask for yay
not the best mask but it is a mask that unlocks ikari canyon
midnight depot
I do know the foolish hints for archipelago are totally broken
lament tusk
really foolish choice
progressive oot sword for yay
i guess the game just thinks yay is foolish
bk mode then
weary lagoon
wait, does this mean i need to get adult link before i can unlock mm?
Sacred meadow is where the forest temple is which has a child and adult song
lament tusk
Thank you, I knew I was missing something stupid
fiery mason
i previously had no ocarina or sword so this goes hard
sage dawn
Yeah for the child song you have to meet Zelda first
Also foolish doesn't mean there's nothing good, it just means that it's not part of the "intended" route
sage dawn
What isn't necisary are the third and fourth swords.
lament tusk
i guess i wasnt supposed to go there without lnse of truth
sage dawn
We don't need giant's knife and big goron sword to beat the game
weary lagoon
Just means Yay has two other swords in the "intended" route
sage dawn
Probably only one other. My first sword was market in my world
weary lagoon
oh yeah idk why I thought two
sage dawn
I probably didn't mention that this one was my second
lament tusk
ah yeah that makes sense
progressive sword does make it so there are 4 sword checks out there, which is super neat tbh
sage dawn
Yeah
lament tusk
anyway
got you some nice stuff, and it wasnt a waste of time
sage dawn
Yep!
lament tusk
i was BK otherwise anyway
sage dawn
midnight depot
World 2 is Lootman's world
sage dawn
For real
sage dawn
I've had seeds where I was not allowed to leave kokiri forest for the first like 6 hours though lol
Multiworld is like this if you're not careful with settings
fiery mason
i cant go there
weary lagoon
Last time we played OOTMM I also got adult and MM early and cleared out 60% of my game and was in BK for 3 weeks
sage dawn
No rush, I can't beat ganon yet anyways
weary lagoon
no but just remember it!
lament tusk
i've been writing notes down on the tracker when i find them
sage dawn
Same
lament tusk
normally i dont bother but ootmm is a big game
i;ve also been noting down dungeon entrances and stuff
fiery mason
im a big game thats why they call me lOotMman
lament tusk
ok that actually works really well lol
hang on im just gonna butcher my server nickname
there lol
weary lagoon
yeah thats a setting you shouldnt have enabled
fiery mason
ok so i cant do anything in mm...
weary lagoon
no you only open the door and get the song
and then climb the ramp above you for 1 check
weary lagoon
You CAN do stuff but you're limited by time without song of time
Like if you click the ocarina and song of time in tracker you can see stuff that is available
but none of that is in logic yet
Days (clocks) are shuffled too so if you havent gotten any clock items yet you game over when it turns to night of the first day
fiery mason
your deku mask was in a mm shop
and my shield but its 80 rupees
and your hylian shield all at the same guy hes great
sage dawn
My kak shops are loaded so I'm gonna have to kill so many children
lament tusk
yeah my shop had great items too
lament tusk
My kak shops are loaded so I'm gonna have to kill so many children
wait what
midnight depot
The Deku kids in lost woods drop 200 rupees each
I find it faster to fill up bottles in the kak grotto with fish, but only if I have more than one bottle
lament tusk
The Deku kids in lost woods drop 200 rupees each
you... can kill them?
midnight depot
Last time I tried that they kept dodging
Either way, they have an orange 200 rupeee, different from the normal yellow one
midnight depot
But you gotta take it warts and all
lament tusk
sorry im confused, the deku kids are the ones standing on treetrunks in the lost woods? am i missing something here? how can you attack them?
sage dawn
As adult they're hostile
sage dawn
There's only one key door
And it locks the miniboss wart
Which I just got a hint saying is junk lol
lament tusk
the bit with the zora hall in it
sage dawn
Okay
lament tusk
the section to the left of the entrance (from termina field) i think
sage dawn
Presumably not including the hall itself or beavers
lament tusk
i think beavers are in a third area, and zora hall is mentioned specificaly too, mine was
bear in mind tho, mt bottomof well was marked junk but had useful items in it too
just means its not a priority to go there unless you're otherwise BKed and bored like i was lol
sage dawn
Yee
Oh found Artiks' A button
Oh and oot ocarina
@weary lagoon Do you want Nayrus or can I skip it?
sage dawn
Well yeah if it was you I'd grab it
sage dawn
Okay, I've done everything in logic except for some skull tokens I need to grind rupees for
There's a handful of stuff I can do with glitches but I figure this is a decent time to take a break
Oh shit forgot I got iron boots
There's a few more things I can do depending on what water entrance is
png of shark my beloved
sage dawn
Yeah you got me my master sword
Okay water was great bay and I got everything I could get without ice arrows or learning how to hover.
Only one check I got was out of logic. I am a weak gamer
lament tusk
did you get me anything? im player 3
sage dawn
I think mostly stuff for player 2, but I wasn't super paying attention
Someone got the MM ocarina and I think it's 2
lament tusk
nice
sage dawn
Oh yeah, Artiks let me know when you're close to your required gold skulls count. I've got like three of yours in shops that I can grind out rupees for, but it's not urgent if you're not close
lament tusk
arti (player one) is absolutely critical
mine are just 3 pieces of heart, a recovery heart and my 50 skull tokens is... a skull token for me 
sage dawn
Yeah. It's more that until they're the difference between getting the c button and not getting the c button I can grab them on the way to things rather than prioritizing them
weary lagoon
Oh Sorry Yay
Im not sure if that item can ever be used for progression?
I forgot to reply I was leading a wow raid
lament tusk
i thought you retired from herding kids tho
weary lagoon
no one under 35 plays that game
cold valve
Yeah WoW is like Facebook for MMOs
weary lagoon
time to play
thanks for strength upgrade
thanks for deku shield, now I can check out the deku tree entrance
ty for the A button and ocarina
Deku Tree is Woodfall, not getting much done there with 1 in game hour left in MM
If someone finds my OoT wallet I can buy my buttons and become an adullt.
fiery mason
all of my skultula rewards suck i dont need any tokens
weary lagoon
magic for yay
didnt see which game I mashed a
Im back in BK mode I did all the night skulls
unless i try to do something in gtg..
Alright I got all the possible child checks there (minus slingshot eye)
MEGA BK mode
lament tusk
i can get my 10 gold skull reward
its a recovery heart! i dont remember who for
fresh hill
not that it'll matter for a while, but AP 0.5.0 released today
weary lagoon
midnight depot
not that it'll matter for a while, but AP 0.5.0 released today
Big news
weary lagoon
weary lagoon
got the right buttons now to go to desert colossus so lets hope that has a good song and dungeon
The forest temple!
lament tusk
nice
weary lagoon
Song of healing 😵💫
lament tusk
i think you have everything for that, right?
lament tusk
Song of healing 😵💫
thats awesome tho
weary lagoon
no im a child
weary lagoon
how is it awesome song of healing is like 3 checks in the game
lament tusk
oh i thought it was more
weary lagoon
refer to my tier list
lament tusk
...right its awesome if you out the masks where they;re supposed to be lol
weary lagoon
Im now in Weird Egg waiting room to get the songs I need 🥚
I got the ocarina of time!
thats gonna be pog when I have the song of time
I did the forest things you can do as a kid so im in BK mode
I dont think I got anything good except beans for yay
lament tusk
i just checks and still BKed myself
lament tusk
same
sage dawn
Sorry for not playing yesterday
Getting on now
Oh I think I only have one check and it's someone's claim check that I peaked earlier
lament tusk
apologies if it sounds like anyone is ragging at anyone specific, if you dont want to or cant play, thats fine
we just wanna play ourselves
preferably i dont want this to last a month and a half, but i think we all know the game a little batter
i also wont have about 1/3rd of checks hidden behind a gold skull i totally could have gotten a week beforehand if i had realised it was available to me
sage dawn
It was my claim check and the turn in was junk
I've got some out of logic stuff but I'm pretty much cleaned out on in logic. The green squares are all things that require lullaby which I don't have the notes for, or ocarina minigame which IIRC is rng whether or not I can do it without all notes.
Same thing here but it's things that require day 3
Except that goron shop check which is a skull for artiks
I'm sorry
There is a lot I can do with the glitches I know, but the past few days have been kinda rough for me
lament tusk
i guess that means we're waiting on lootman
theres a few things i could do myself with glitches i supose, the ony one i know how to do reliably is zora waterfall skip
sage dawn
The child version is easy yeah
Adult you can do it with hovers or a megaflip
Clipping into zora's fountain after that as child is pretty easy if you have bombchus
There's also a method with bombs, but that one is a bit trickier
lament tusk
i think you can do it with a chicken way easier
lament tusk
oh right i misread
sage dawn
No worries I mix them up constantly
lament tusk
yay you have magic, right?
have dins fire, im sure you can probably use that
mm fire arrows arti
i think im definitly BKed now
those are good items but i dont think they're that useful right now?
weary lagoon
im out of time in mm
lament tusk
exatly
sage dawn
Dins doesn't actually really open anything for me right now
I can't access any of the locations it'd be useful
Oh I can do spinning pot
midnight depot
Spinning pot is so bad
It's one check and if you get the timing wrong you have to wait fifteen seconds
sage dawn
The timing isn't too bad
midnight depot
On average it takes me two failed tries to get it right
It's just a boring check unless you also randomize the other rewards
lament tusk
Pot was junk :c
Well we tried
weary lagoon
Lootman got my chicken its go time
translators note: chicken in this game is the weird egg
lament tusk
Winner winner weird chicken dinner
fiery mason
do you need p4 great bay boss key
weary lagoon
eventually thats needed but not right now probably
Princess Zelda had a red rupee for mega
and the sonata of awakening!
Malon had the song of storms!
So hopefully Saria has either song of time
Song of Time oot!
so I guess im going adult not majora
lament tusk
Song of Time oot!
Hell yeah
weary lagoon
up botton for lootman and MM wallet for mega
lament tusk
nice
all night mask too, i think i can probably get those checks now, tho it seems stupid to skip nights when i dont have the song of time there yet lol
weary lagoon
do you have clocks
weary lagoon
oh cool didnt know that was on the in game tracker
lament tusk
oh i wont be annoying you with the powder keg this time arti
weary lagoon
lol
lament tusk
all i was able to do was town fairy and 200 rupee deposit checks
lament tusk
well well well
lament tusk
lol
weary lagoon
yuussss
im not sure if I have the ocarina there..
forest temple is dodongo thats gonna be my full first dungeon clear
GTG Keyring for yay
stone mask for mega
yay powder keg
lament tusk
oh i wont be annoying you with the powder keg this time arti
yeah i got it for you
weary lagoon
mega MM sword
lament tusk
oh thats good, i might be able to use that
damn i thought i had enough time to stop the robbery on night one, i didnt :(
weary lagoon
you dont?
lament tusk
yeah when i logged back on it was 1pm, that happens earlier
weary lagoon
oh
I was right, no MM ocarina
thats all I need to play that game
I got all my stuff
important things im looking for: MM Ocarina, Iron Boots, C up button, bow, forest keyring
lament tusk
important things im looking for: literally anything at this point
weary lagoon
well thats the case for everyone im sure, I just narrowed down what I can use right now 😛
what is locking you?
chicken?
lament tusk
yeah i think
but i also only have a and one of the c buttons too
weary lagoon
I see
I think Lootman just unlocked MM so he has a million things and Yay should have a lot of new stuff to do
lament tusk
nice
midnight depot
lament tusk
i thought you had adult and MM unlocked? how are you BK already?
wait, i can get into the forest temple as a kid? how?
the tracker is showing some of the checks as yellow
but i dont have adult
oh i can bomb hover up there
i need ISG for that tho, and i've no diea how to get that
weary lagoon
i dont have mm i need ocarina
lament tusk
aaaah mb
weary lagoon
this might be in logic I used a time travel trick to get to gerudo fortress
tracker doesnt have time travel stuff so im not sure
I crossed the bridge as child and time travelled
lament tusk
zora mask!
...oot!
lament tusk
well theres a few checks there at least
weary lagoon
ganons castle also has blue fire for the zora king right outside hehe
lament tusk
oooh yeah, and the shop
wait you dont need it for the shop thanks to time travel
chataeu romani? nice
is it a repeatable find in the rando? because unlimited magic is super useful in mm obviously
the same with gold dust actually, i have it rn
weary lagoon
i think since we have keep items through time travel you just have unlimited magic forever
gold dust always travels with you in ootmm regardless of settings
fiery mason
i need my oot child shield back if someone has it in a shop
lament tusk
sounds like a party
weary lagoon
Ikana canyon is kinda crazy with dungeon rando it has 4 dungeon entrances
5!!!
Stone tower, inverted stone tower, ikana castle, beneath the well, secret shrine
sage dawn
i need my oot child shield back if someone has it in a shop
There should be one in one of your shops
There's always a refill of everything you can lose in your own shops somewhere
fiery mason
i checked them all but didnt see it :(
sage dawn
MM scrub salesmen maybe?
lament tusk
There's always a refill of everything you can lose in your own shops somewhere
In a shop for sure, I can buy your deku shields yay, in my kokiri forest
I'll check the shops I didn't write notes for tomorrow, I think your shields are in my goron shop lootman
sage dawn
Got a clock for you @weary lagoon .
midnight depot
Someone distract Bringina for a few weeks
We are 3k posts off from being the top most active in Manechat
sage dawn
Wow
sage dawn
Oh turns out action swap is really easy in mm
I just got my hookshot with it in a spot I'd either need fire arrows or lens for so I don't want to know how deep my mm hookshot was supposed to be ._.
sage dawn
Mega, I want you to know that I did powder keg exam to get your your stone of agony even though I knew it was just stone of agony uwu
I'm mostly in BK mode now. I can full clear Great Bay now that I have hookshot, but that's going to wait until tomorrow since only like half of it is actually in logic anyways and it's 1 AM
weary lagoon
good morning
thanks for the keyring for ganons castle. IIRC I need gold gauntlets to use it
weary lagoon
Got a clock for you <@95579032485105664> .
this did not send. Are you sure it was player 1
let me know the location and I can check the spoiler log.
anyway, no new checks
lament tusk
Mega, I want you to know that I did powder keg exam to get your your stone of ag...
Thank you anyway
I'd do the same for you
lament tusk
day 2 clock from lootman
zora mm from lootman? thank you!
progressive sheild from lootman, silver scale from yay
ah i got clock from yay, probably the one you thought you sent to arti
chicken from yay!
i cant do a lot of playing today tho
weary lagoon
thats good, my game would be pretty bricked with a day missing
Do you have MM in logic by now?
lament tusk
no
weary lagoon
Me neither
nor Lootman but he has a lot of clocks so hes been pushing checks there
maybe someone is missing something in oot
lament tusk
aww ruto sent me her heart instead of a love letter
weary lagoon
She sent Lootman her heart actually
lament tusk
well i was just checking if i had lootmans deku shield in my conveniently accessible shops, that check was just on the way
i did get you a full heart arti but thats it
im gonna be busy for the rest of the day now
weary lagoon
have a good saturday keep rockin
fiery mason
i have like 6 MM hours left so ive got a few things i can do
weary lagoon
5 minutes yeah you can find my ocarina in that
midnight depot
Hmmm.........
If you send an item and then time runs out and you reset
You can't unsend it
So it's technically safe to restart MM a bunch of times, right?
You just can't keep any of your local checks
midnight depot
Does it automatically save or did you make the decision to save?
weary lagoon
the game saves whenever you swap game
midnight depot
That makes sense
weary lagoon
so I was able with one in game hour left to get a hookshot chest in clock town which was my bottle and let me get all the bug checks in oot
but now I just ave 5 seconds
midnight depot
Man now I want to play an OoTMM multiworld
weary lagoon
did you see the cool time travel trick I did to get into gerudo
what a great game
No longshot or epona I just time travelled on the other side
midnight depot
Wow cheating
midnight depot
It's simpler than taking the spirit temple warp song then doing reverse wasteland to get to Gerudo Fortress so it's probably in logic
weary lagoon
but thats not in logic so it doesnt really change this being in logic or not
midnight depot
Oh, well, the spirit temple warp is
Reverse wasteland is a logic trick
But if you have lens of truth and the warp song then it's fully in logic
weary lagoon
the ghost walks you back?
midnight depot
I don't know, I just do reverse wasteland
weary lagoon
im looking at the logic for gerudo fortress and not seeing anything about requiem of spirit so reverse wasteland is never in logic
midnight depot
That makes sense
fiery mason
If theyre your own item i think itd reset if you mm game over
But if you send to others yes, i game overed then bought an item again from tingle and it said i sent nothing
weary lagoon
yeah thats all correct
sage dawn
Man now I want to play an OoTMM multiworld
We should totally run another one when you're around
sage dawn
I learned how to blast mask hover in MM so I wouldn't leave behind exactly one check in great bay
sage dawn
That's out of logic until I have fire arrows or lens, so I have no idea how deep that was supposed to be by the way
lament tusk
well it tlets me play the song of time, so its pretty crucial
i dont have that yet mind
but i can play the song of storms, which i do, which give me the bottom of the well entrance
sage dawn
Oh and all the song of storms grottos
lament tusk
i still need c right
weary lagoon
did you get anything that lets me play
sage dawn
I don't think so
lament tusk
mm lense of truth arti? does that help?
weary lagoon
no i have 5 seconds in that game
weary lagoon
How many clocks are you on just out of curiosity
weary lagoon
Kinda hope I get the ocarina before more clocks, would be cool to try playing the game with only day 1
sage dawn
It is!
lament tusk
same tbh tho i ahve 2 days now
sage dawn
Non-progressive clocks are actually really neat too
Also I'm BK unless I want to do more hovers
weary lagoon
guess its all on mega
lament tusk
oh god, the pressure
weary lagoon
I got Lootman the slingshot which I think is one check in lost woods
lament tusk
bottom of the well is... the bottom of the other well
weary lagoon
lol
sage dawn
Lol
lament tusk
the one in ikana canyon
sage dawn
Oh shit wait there's one more clock town check I can get with hookshot
Back side or front side?
lament tusk
weary lagoon
oh we can get get both?
sage dawn
Oof
weary lagoon
thats funny
sage dawn
Yeah
And the doors are all open from the back side
So you can skip a lot of the well
If you have light arrows for the sun block at least
But yeah both entrances are randomized which means exiting the other side of the well might be in logic for getting somewhere
lament tusk
hi i presume yay
sage dawn
Hiiiii
This is honestly why it concerns me that my front side of well is easily accessible. I get the feeling half my map is going to be locked behind it, but I don't have gibdo mask yet to check
Like if song of storms check in ikana is my mm eponas song and well leads to ikana then that's my only way in without hovering.
lament tusk
not the most useful song for the zelda lullaby check...
sage dawn
Gets you another song check if you have the stuff to play it for baby goron
lament tusk
how do i get the epona song check? she's not registering my ocarina
oh wait i already got it, mb
sage dawn
Did you already get it? In OoTMM she moves after you get weird egg check rather than after you meet Zelda for some reason
I see
lament tusk
damnit i forgott here was a storms gortto in the castle
now i need to go all the way back
lament tusk
i have it dw
sage dawn
Sick
lament tusk
junk
lament tusk
already knew it, your hookshot is behind scarecrow chest in fire temple
sage dawn
Damn
lament tusk
i can work with this
if i had the other two c buttons
i forgot where the DMT storms grotto was
weary lagoon
the little square right outside goron city
weary lagoon
screenshot?
weary lagoon
if it works it works!!
weary lagoon
im pogged
weary lagoon
hm..
lament tusk
while i have lullaby for the sun song check, i dont have c left or right
cant do bottom of well
the checks that are green i need songs i cant play but have
dodongo is ganon castle
deku is real bottom of well but i donthave lens, key or song
weary lagoon
it has some checks you can do with nothing if you havent done those
weary lagoon
no
weary lagoon
yeah he has like 1
lament tusk
you?
weary lagoon
nothing
lament tusk
yay?
because i could probably hope the ocarina game RNGs to the 3 buttons i have, thats about it
weary lagoon
im gonna try to enter the water temple but i dont think its in logic
fiery mason
c-left for p4!
lament tusk
fuck sake, 3 times now the ocarina song has rng'd the first 4 notes to be up down or a but the 5th was left
fiery mason
the slingshot was huuuuge
lament tusk
awesome
weary lagoon
i guess Yay is back in the game lol
fiery mason
what does left get you
lament tusk
what other buttons do they have? left doesnt do a lot on its own
weary lagoon
was that the only thing you could get
lament tusk
your boomerang is in my mm butler race im afraid
fiery mason
the other ones a red potion
lament tusk
ih fuck sake, the ocarina game was just a red potion, not even a bottle
that was annoying
not hard, just annoying
whelp, deffo BK mode
weary lagoon
What do you both need to go to MM
lament tusk
somg ad ocarina i think
weary lagoon
and button?
lament tusk
yeah that three
fiery mason
a button
lament tusk
oh wait i ahve ocarina
weary lagoon
thanks for the heart
lament tusk
so yeah, just the button and song
weary lagoon
oh
what if I go to the bottom of the well as an adult and time travel..
cause its drained as an adult but theres a wall there
oh my god it worked
Im in the well without song of storms
weary lagoon
Jabu Jabu
Open adult well requires you to enter it as child first
so you cant skip song of storm
lament tusk
oh
weary lagoon
but you can skip song of storm with time travel I guess!
Ruto starts at the top thats weird
ok ok silver gauntlets first chest
lament tusk
nice
weary lagoon
fierce deity for mega
lament tusk
epic
weary lagoon
MM bow for Mega
lament tusk
awesome! thats actually a boatload of checks for me
i have ice arrows too
once i unlock mm that is
lament tusk
bronze
weary lagoon
Broken gorons sword for lootman!
lament tusk
Nice
Ping me if I get anything that gets me checks, like kid oot items or buttons
I'm a take a nap
sage dawn
C left gets me a decent number of checks yeah
ZL opens a lot
And I think I might be able to play awakening now which gets me into woodfall entrance
Wait I need C up for ZL as well lol
I'm dumb
I can play Nocturne though so that's another dungeon entrance
@weary lagoon Got your ocarina
Another loot clock
sage dawn
True
Oh I might as well do the unload trick for royal tomb since it's easy and is a song check
Oh shit it was Goron Lullaby which I can actually play
Snowhead is GTG
Can only get there as child at the moment, but it's still a lot of checks
Artiks clock for real this time
Oh god I just got lens MM. This thing is logically behind me needing my c up button.
Unless fire arrows are somewhere easy my MM hookshot was meant to be real fucking deep.
I'm sorry, artiks
I completely forgot about this
Okay, I've cleaned up everything I can do in logic and all the out of logic stuff I feel up to at the moment
weary lagoon
OCARINA LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Dont feel bad about the bow its my 2nd one haha
The world is a playground, designed for me, and only me, to achieve my highest level goals
(these arent all real because I only have 2 clocks)
weary lagoon
Bow oot for mega
weary lagoon
Looks like they changed the Kotake behavior. Not giving me a red potion
weary lagoon
my woodfall fairies are junk
weary lagoon
A lot of stuff locked behind ocarina buttons and days
I can still do Woodfall temple but im gonna take a break for now.
lament tusk
Oh I might as well do the unload trick for royal tomb since it's easy and is a s...
The what trick?
midnight depot
lament tusk
Bow oot for mega
But... I already had oot bow...
midnight depot
Go in and out repeatedly and it will eventually fail to load some objects
lament tusk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdqocoDhc14
Oh I need to be adult?
midnight depot
Also applies to Ganon's castle and the light trial big stone
I think there's a separate child version
lament tusk
I don't have adult
lament tusk
Could you link me the gannon castle version too? I have that unlocked
midnight depot
The Ganon's castle version only works if you have trials on
The more trials the fewer reloads you need
lament tusk
Damn
midnight depot
You also need way more room swaps compared to the royal family tomb
lament tusk
But... I already had oot bow...
oh right progressive bow means quiver upgrade
lament tusk
https://archive.org/details/royalfamilytombunloadaschilddaytimefromnocturne18rel...
also damn this needs me to be at the shadow temple, which i cant get to atm, no song
midnight depot
Any loading and reloading without changing scene will do
Maybe it'll work if you get into the hut and out?
lament tusk
Maybe it'll work if you get into the hut and out?
dont think it did
midnight depot
If you get a loading screen it'll not work
No loading screen = might work eventually
lament tusk
oh well
fiery mason
Ill be home later to make everyones dreams come true
lament tusk
sage dawn
Oh wow this really opened up quickly
weary lagoon
woodfall had my oot bow and oot lense
cant kill the boss yet no boss key
a dog followed me into temple of time i dont think ive seen that before
lament tusk
lol same
wet field
where did you last see it?
weary lagoon
Hm it has a picture on the tracker
fiery mason
got C right for p3
lament tusk
oh yes thats great i can do suns song now
lootman you got me ruto's letter and didnt tell me?
thats, hopefully, a lot of checks
hmm
jabu jabu is great bay temple
i have... most of what i need for it, so thats concerning, ice arrows and zora mask, boss key
...wait
i need the hookshot to leave great bay
oh no
well i got arti's mm sword
weary lagoon
thanks!!
lament tusk
um
how do i solve getting out of great bay without the hookshot? am i stuck till someone finds my c right/mm hookshot?
can i safely quit? i cant save
weary lagoon
you can save on the menu by going to the status screen and pressing one of the shoulder buttons (dont really know which one it will be on your controller)
and then reset the emulator
lament tusk
you cant save in mm, unless theres an option in this rando i didnt know about
weary lagoon
ye there is I just tried to explain it but its kinda hard
lament tusk
well i pressed every button on my controller, no noises or options popped up so i just reset the emulator anyway
weary lagoon
just hit pause and try the shoulder buttons on every pause screen you'll hear the save sound eventually.
lament tusk
well im BK again
ruto's letter got me a bottle and i did all the bean patch skully bois
sage dawn
a dog followed me into temple of time i dont think ive seen that before
Dog will follow you through warps too
You can take it to DMT with bolero
fiery mason
i did all of woodfall except 1 chest without the deku mask kinda cool
weary lagoon
💪
sage dawn
I got a bunch of things I can do now. Was distracted by Rusted Moss update.
I maybe should eat first
lament tusk
food is good
sage dawn
I lied, I have two things I can do
I don't know why I thought I could do more lol
Oh hovers means I can get into zora's domain as adult without learning the megaflip so there's some out of logic stuff
fiery mason
yo dins fire thats 2 things
sage dawn
It's very out of logic. Ice cavern entrance for which I'm missing C-up and Ruto's Letter
Got your goron mask, Mega
Same disclaimer regarding logic in case you're paying attention to spheres are shit in the aims of making predictions
Granted this mainly concerns me. The more I due stuff locked behind my c-up, the less likely you all are to find my c-up lol
fiery mason
if artiks cant access mm fully then me getting my a button / going adult / playing mm is all out of logic
so like nothing ill find in mm or adult link will help him play mm
midnight depot
Well it's not like checks can only be gotten one way
You could find an item that allows you to explore more of OoT
fiery mason
no but id be locked to child link oot only checks
sage dawn
Artiks has everything needed for song of time in MM now
Full cleared Woodfall and DC, both out of logic because they were ice cavern and Jabu entrance respectively
My map is getting pretty sparse.
Pretty much everything I can conceiveably get involves hovering and I don't want to because I suck at it lol
I don't know how to hover in OoT, and I suck at the setup start a hover in MM without a ledge lol
I could do hookshot extension or the hoverboots superslide to cross the bridge to gerudo fortress, but since I don't have membership I'm kinda limited without learning even more tricks on top of that
midnight depot
Megflip!
sage dawn
I didn't realize you could megaflip the bridge
But yeah to get anything substantial out of it I'd need to learn how to clip into gtg and how to skip the gate
midnight depot
Oh apparently the megaflip only goes from Gerudo Fortress to Hyrule field side
sage dawn
Oh unfortunate
Still, hookshot extension isn't hard, and the hoverboots superslide isn't to bad either
midnight depot
You could do the chicken jumpslash as child and swap ages with the ocarina
sage dawn
Don't have ocarina of time yet
midnight depot
Makes sense
sage dawn
And you actually don't need to do that. You can just walk to the other side of the bridge and then swap
Because the bridge goes out a bit before it stops
There's some overlap
Oh I should navi dive into botw because that's easy
Nevermind, Lootman just got me fire arrows and gibdo mask so I can do some stuff now
sage dawn
Sidenote, but if anyone sees my red or blue potion refills in a shop can you either buy me two blue potions or one red and one blue?
fiery mason
i have your mm blue potion is that it
sage dawn
I'd love two of those. One for well and one for the witch
Eventually I'll need a third for the invisible soldier but I only have two bottles.
sage dawn
Oh god, currently my only Ikana access is through the well
Okay, I need one more blue potion whenever you're in the area
fiery mason
how do the masks work in oot
i have the keaton mask am i not allowed to trade it to anyone
sage dawn
The only masks that matter in oot are skull mask, and mask of truth
You use both at the deku theater
Iron knuckles fucking suck to fight without a sword
midnight depot
30 bombchus
sage dawn
Pretty much except I also used light arrows
Regular arrows don't work until the armor breaks
midnight depot
Light arrows deal surprisingly good damage
midnight depot
Iron knuckles with save states and stick jumpslashes are also fine
I could swear that was different
sage dawn
Nah it's only ice arrows that are different
Light arrows do make enemies drop 50 rupees though
sage dawn
I can't lower the water in water temple and it's in a horrible place I don't want to come back to, so I'm learning the out of bounds tricks
midnight depot
There should be a setting that starts water temple at middle water so you can go directly to Pierre
sage dawn
You can jump to Pierre
midnight depot
I tried it a bunch and couldn't figure it out
sage dawn
You jump and grab the ledge, but you get stuck regrabbing continuously. Then you jump slash to get out of it. Holding shield while you do so makes it easier because it stops you from mistiming the jump slash
fiery mason
two blast masks in the same place in gerudo desert
midnight depot
Oh you can jumpslash to break out of those loops
fiery mason
hmmm
my gerudo training ground entrance is bottom of the well where i need to crawl as a child to get through?
thats pretty ass
sage dawn
Okay, I don't want to learn the sorcery required to get into the central pillar, so I'm done with water for now
Oh damn that's rough
fiery mason
gotta be adult to get to an entrance i can only access as a child.............
sage dawn
You can change ages with Ocarina of Time and song of time on these settings.
You can also do reverse wasteland as child
sage dawn
Although that one is out of logic
midnight depot
To do reverse wasteland as child the hardest parts are memorizing the path and figuring out the spot you should back step at
I like Tracker of Time because it has a live feed of your location in the wasteland so you can easily do reverse wasteland, but it doesn't support OotMM
midnight depot
You need to be adult link or clip in
See stratdb.app for tricks you can use to clip in
sage dawn
Oh my god, I've just been using youtube to find setups
There's an actual searchable database?
Also Twinmold is way easier with arrows holy shit
midnight depot
It's made by DannyB, and it just collates YouTube videos
sage dawn
Makes sense
Turns out if you save Koume after clearing Woodfall she doesn't give you the pictograph check.
So I need to save her again lol
I'm just about done for today though considering it's midnight
weary lagoon
biggest unlock was the gerudo card so I can check whats inside GTG
Im also only light arrows away from killing Ganon
I don't think I'll be doing much here 
Now that Im in game, this is the screen you have to be on to save
you hit the same button that shuffles your trade quest items
weary lagoon
Didnt find anything good
lament tusk
Now that Im in game, this is the screen you have to be on to save
Thank you
Clunky system tho
midnight depot
It is technically a hack
sage dawn
Im also only light arrows away from killing Ganon
Can you get Ganon light arrow hint?
midnight depot
Light arrows are good for other things
weary lagoon
name 1
midnight depot
Farming rupees
weary lagoon
i dont need rupees anymore
midnight depot
Are trials also turned off?
midnight depot
I guess you look cuter when you have them on
weary lagoon
😯
lament tusk
got a lot of incredibly useful items!
cant use any of them theo, they're adult or MM ones
weary lagoon
what are you missing to play the game
the A button?
Kinda crazy if Lootman and Yay played for hours yesterday and me still being stuck, that you still cant play
lament tusk
c left
song of time, both
i strongly suspect one of my songs of time is locked behind the sun song check, as its the one i can get very easilly
weary lagoon
so you need c left to play zeldas lullaby to get that
lament tusk
yeah
weary lagoon
so we're just 1 item off alright
lament tusk
im not sure what other song checks i can get right now
weary lagoon
you can only get 5 as child
3 from chicken, suns song, song of time from 3 spiritual stones
lament tusk
well spirit stones arent happening any time soon
weary lagoon
Ohh I just thought of something I can do now that I have MM magic I can fire the switches in Ikana castle
man theres a lot of stuff to keep track of when it doesnt show on the tracker because of ER
I just started writing down all my entrances to see if there was something I could do and I remembered the frozen switches in Ikana castle
I dont even know how it works with the two exits in ikana castle
Okay so exiting Ikana through the roof just puts me outside of Ikana castle
AND the back entrance of beneath the well is deku tree
deku tree was all junk except 1 skull for me im dying
Ikana Castle is the shadow temple
And I have hovers and keys!!
my slingshot
thats 1 check I think
lament tusk
nice
weary lagoon
fire arrow for you
my light arrow MM!
shadow temple is stacked
Cant do the boat without lullaby, but used flitters trick to get the skulltula 
Light arrow unlocks so much ...
I just get to go to Ikana now from the castle, I just wish I could play song of soaring cause every time I want to go to Ikana I have to go via Jabu Jabu and through the castle
weary lagoon
beneath the well is stone tower and secret shrine is vanilla
lament tusk
<:SXFAnyaShock:737684510044323930>
Wow how utterly useless
I can't use that at all
No sir