Archipelago Multiworld Multi-game Randomizer

[midnight depot]

Wayward compass for Ixrec

[weary lagoon]

god I wish I had that

not anymore but 24 days ago

[midnight depot]

Yeah, next time I play Hollow Knight I'm starting with Wayward Compass and gathering swarm

Two scrubs in a row sold me ice traps

The third gave me OoTFlitter sent Snatcher's Contract - Mail Delivery Service to Ixhat (DMC Deku Scrub Grotto Left)

[weary lagoon]

Thats really powerful

[fresh hill]

and charm cost plando to make those two charms free

feels a lot like how I handled the AHiT badges

I believe that is a new level for me

wait no I don't have the sprint hat

that's like the one level that requires sprint hat

ah nvm act rando means the contract name is meaningless, it just adds a random level to the chapter 3 telescope

[midnight depot]

That makes sense

[fresh hill]

oh damn this is actually a valuable level (Picture Perfect), there's... 3 checks here I can't get any other way

[midnight depot]

Dirtmouth stag, love key, essence for Ixrec

[fresh hill]

ah yes, the most valuable of all stags

[midnight depot]

It's got one check behind it guaranteed

[fresh hill]

oh god I forgot about the time rift in here

[midnight depot]

Magic bean pack for Kratta

[fresh hill]

horse song for kratta

[midnight depot]

https://i.imgur.com/USmtvY1.png

Today I learned you can skip BOTH slingshot sections of Dodongo's cavern with hover boots instead of arrows or slingshot

The second one is a lot harder than the first (you need to land on the corners)

Queen's Garden Stag for Artiks

King Dodongo is King Dodongo

He had post moonlord for Jay

And the kokiri emerald

[fresh hill]

ok I believe that is AHiT back to BK

[midnight depot]

Good work

[fresh hill]

let's do some HK, at the very least I should have Kingdom's Edge to clear

[midnight depot]

OoTFlitter sent Relic (Burger Cushion) to Ixhat (Gerudo Training Ground Underwater Silver Rupee Chest)

[fresh hill]

...and then you immediately find a relic I can probably use

[midnight depot]

The whirlpool on the ground is only active if I don't put my iron boots on

If I put my iron boots on, the whirlpool stops affecting me, and also stops affecting the enemies

Smells like a hacky way to implement water physics

[fresh hill]

yep, that's a complete relic

new level time

[midnight depot]

Excellent

Morpha is Volvagia

[fresh hill]

excellent, it's another of the time rifts with a bunch of pages to find

[midnight depot]

That's another boss done

Thank you for healing

[fresh hill]

and time rift cleared, now we're in BK mode

[midnight depot]

You can't afford the hint. You have 45 points and need at least 47.

[fresh hill]

I love this skin, even the lantern became a paper lantern

[midnight depot]

It's a good skin

[Hint]: OoTFlitter's Rutos Letter is at Forest Temple MQ Well Chest in kroooooot's World at ZF Ice Ledge -> Ice Cavern Beginning. (not found)

[fresh hill]

hahahaha there's a special animation for this

I think that's Basin cleared, aside from still needing left claw to reach lost kin

I forget, is this still an important item, or do you all have the game memorized to the point where it doesn't matter?

[midnight depot]

It's really nice

There are parts of the game where invisible things are also moving, so it's much harder to memorize them

The entrance to shadow temple is also random and requires lens of truth (wrong guesses punish you)

[fresh hill]

also found this

[midnight depot]

Oh that's good

I did the skip! https://i.imgur.com/9dIIsnt.png

[fresh hill]

I usually go for the roots just for fun, but this one might be a bit too pointless

[fresh hill]

oh congrats

[midnight depot]

Positioning for the skip is okay, but it requires four button presses with different inputs

Hold the aim button, backflip, then before you finish the backflip, stop holding aim, take out a bombchu, then block with a deku shield

This pushes you through the wall

My controller battery died

https://i.imgur.com/WiDxGnG.png

[fresh hill]

I suppose the grub collector would be interested in skulltulas

[midnight depot]

https://i.imgur.com/JpjrBdm.png

Grubsong for Artiks, magic for me

Within Jabu Jabu's belly lies bottom of the well

I would rate king zora skip for child as pretty easy but a lot harder than the adult king zora skip

[wet field]

I've forgotten what it's like to be an adult

[fresh hill]

was that one of the important posts?

[midnight depot]

No

I don't even know why it's a check. I don't think it locks anything behind it

[fresh hill]

oh my god

it's THE FINAL COW

[midnight depot]

Does it have sunglasses?

[fresh hill]

I believe it does

[midnight depot]

You found Kratta's magic meter!

[fresh hill]

I underestimated Hornet 2

[midnight depot]

Ice cavern is way faster and easier if you have blue fire arrows to do it with

[fresh hill]

now I reestimated her

[midnight depot]

I am going to stop here and leave the rest of my checks for later

[fresh hill]

hm, I missed something under Oro's hut

[weary lagoon]

you said you were gonna find me items!

[midnight depot]

I did! I found you arrows, whispering roots, and even a piece of heart

[weary lagoon]

thanks!

[midnight depot]

I know I said I'm done for today, but what if I also played a little Terraria too

[fresh hill]

found the guy hoarding kratta's ice arrows

[midnight depot]

My tracker says Zenith is reachable

So now I have to consult the crafting table

[fresh hill]

and I just remembered there's something important in crystal peak I need to look for

[midnight depot]

https://terraria.wiki.gg/wiki/Guide:Crafting_a_Zenith

[fresh hill]

...well that would've been kind of a big deal if I remenbered this room existed a few weeks ago

[midnight depot]

Oh yeah

It is an easy to miss room

I don't forget it because I have it tied to a neat fact in my mind

You can dreamnail the pedestal

To craft Zenith I need: Influx Waver, Seedler, Starfury.

[fresh hill]

the angry soul totem had your wallet

[weary lagoon]

i didnt know there was another wallet

ive bought everything worth buying

my hollow knight being on only 57 when the tracker looks so empty is kinda weird I guess its all those geo rocks that are just normal geo

lets see if theres anything I can do that isnt a frustrating boss

[fresh hill]

ah yes, the highest item of them all

[weary lagoon]

I got the item that made me rage quit last time

it was krattas gold skulltula

hopefully that was important

[fresh hill]

gave up on banging every wall in the area and looked up where this was hiding

@wet field time song getto

[weary lagoon]

I was on a good traitor lord attempt then my controller decided to shit the bed again

[fresh hill]

and that is a full clear of Peak, City, Grounds and Edge, with the exception of Coliseum stuff I might do next time and a few actually unreachable places

[weary lagoon]

t

h

this isnt fun third good attempt and my controller just stops working mid fight

[fresh hill]

yeah... this is not a game that can stay fun with buggy equipment

[midnight depot]

There's Zenith!

[fresh hill]

for specifically goal completion, I believe metro cards are all I need

[midnight depot]

I've released my remaining checks, giving Greenpath stag to Artiks (and three other items)

[fresh hill]

oh wow you only had 4 left?

[midnight depot]

Out of 95. Terraria's checks are bound to achievements

It should be bound to items made or something instead

Next time I'm playing with an easier goal

Mechanical bosses, plantera or golem. Nothing that takes longer than that

[weary lagoon]

ive tried blutooth connecting instead of usb

[fresh hill]

I'm definitely doing StartingLevitation: true for Pscyhonauts, every game suffers when the fastest movement option is just "hold <direction>"

[midnight depot]

Bluetooth works better for me most of the time with my PS4 controller

[weary lagoon]

ive paired it but it wont turn on

[midnight depot]

Hold direction but in diagonal

Oh yeah, I think there was some finicky part in getting it to work first

[wet field]

[midnight depot]

Could you press the PS button to get it to turn on?

(You need to have steam enabled, or DS4Windows)

[weary lagoon]

its a nintendo switch pro controller

[midnight depot]

Oh

[weary lagoon]

someone on youtube says I need the xbox extended feature support driver

maybe that'll fix it

this has been a pain for a while so maybe I finally buy a controller that works properly with steam

xbox works best doesnt it

[midnight depot]

I think Xbox and Dualsense both have great support

[weary lagoon]

ive ordered an xbox controller so ill save the boss fights for that

maybe I can do anything else

i found my boss key for the fire temple

guess I can do that

my tracker says theres a guy here but he isnt

[fresh hill]

I've noticed the map mod is sometimes wildly off about where an item is within a room

[weary lagoon]

well ive looked through the whole room

[fresh hill]

do you have grimmchild equipped?

[weary lagoon]

ye we're hanging out

[fresh hill]

if this is the room near the top of basin that it looks like, I remember a flame being there

maybe there's some other step needed to make them show up, I dunno if or how rando alters that

[fierce vale]

do you have the upgraded grimmchild equipped

also known as going and doing the circus boss

[weary lagoon]

Im not gonna fight hazbin hotel with this controller and no left slash..

wow pale ore

how much geo is the last upgrade

[fierce vale]

the randomiser isn't very clear on which flames need upgrades or not, but if you cant find a flame thats usually the reason

[weary lagoon]

thank u

[midnight depot]

Yeah that one is in the final group of flames

[weary lagoon]

my controller was being nice so I went to beat the traitor queen

better have been worth it..

5 bombs!

I dont know what this thing near the mantis lords are

Found it!!!!!!!!!!

anotha rct hint

[midnight depot]

I will get that

[weary lagoon]

TIL you can climb the walls of volagias platform

[lament tusk]

yeah, incase you fall into the lava

[weary lagoon]

but they already accounted for that by letting you climb back up to the entrance

over there

[lament tusk]

it was only as an adult did i even notice those stairs

[fresh hill]

I just realized I never cashed in THE FINAL COW

[fresh hill]

ok this time rift is behind my final painting anyway, so no actual change

[cold valve]

i got back home too late to do link's awakening tonight, so i will have to do it after work tomorrow

[weary lagoon]

My HK is now only missing 4 dream fights and my OoT is in BK

I would like this to fight them if possible

though I guess I can also use fragile for the dream bosses

but my left slash is also in ganons castle

[cold valve]

@midnight depot all done!

thanks for a great game

[midnight depot]

Hell yeah!

[midnight depot]

Hi

It looks like RCT is still in BK mode so let's play OoT

[midnight depot]

https://i.imgur.com/jiUJQOp.png

If only I had my biggoron sword

CURSE YOU... DINK

I have released my remaining items.

For Kratta: Requiem of Spirit, Farore's Wind.
For Ixrec: Necklace Relic.
For Artiks: Fire Temple small key ring.

This leaves us at four games out of nine complete

[weary lagoon]

wonder where my keys were

[midnight depot]

They were in Gerudo Training Ground Maze Path Final Chest.

Which I still have no access to

[weary lagoon]

To finish OoT Im missing my boomerang in Ixrecs game

To finish Hollow Knight I need one more dreamer

and a new controller to fight the radiance

[midnight depot]

Best of luck. Radiance can be pretty tough

[weary lagoon]

Nah hes just some stupid moth

[midnight depot]

I think she gives me a good fight every time

[fresh hill]

oh right, I haven't fought radiance yet

I don't believe I have the bust relic to go with necklace relic so that's probably nothing yet

[weary lagoon]

Now that I have my new controller I should be able to beat the fire temple

[midnight depot]

Oh it arrived already

[weary lagoon]

yeah

I dont know what Dodgems in an amusement park are but you have it now

[midnight depot]

Oh those are bumper cars

Dodgems is the brand name and bumper cars is the generic name.

[weary lagoon]

Sending ice traps to ootflitter knowing he'll never open them

[midnight depot]

I loved it as a child but now it seems inane

[weary lagoon]

the fire temple was a waste of time

I got enough points to do this at least

[midnight depot]

I need dinghy slide for that

https://i.imgur.com/yS9dp7S.png

[Hint]: RCTFlitter's Dinghy Slide is at Forest Temple MQ GS First Hallway in kroooooot's World at ZF Ice Ledge -> Ice Cavern Beginning. (not found)

I can also get it by finishing the game and releasing, but I need Top Spin for that, [Hint]: RCTFlitter's Top Spin is at Shadow Temple Invisible Spikes Chest in Arti's World at Kakariko Village -> Bottom of the Well. (not found)

[weary lagoon]

How about the monarch wings

[wet field]

I can get this today

This playthrough has been pretty funky. I don't think I can even enter the well because my song of storms is in the fire temple boulder maze, and the fire temple is in the deku tree and young link can't climb the ledges he needs to get to the maze

[weary lagoon]

you can enter deku tree as adult link

[wet field]

How?

[weary lagoon]

Go into his mouth

[wet field]

It was closed

[weary lagoon]

I think you have to enter as child first

[wet field]

Fucking game

[weary lagoon]

If you cant even after that we have different settings, and you'd be correct in well not being in logic

yeah in archipelago dungeon randomizer will always open Deku for adult

[midnight depot]

This park is big

https://i.imgur.com/funJa7U.png

I have seven hundred guests complaining of overcrowding.

[midnight depot]

Ultimately Archipelago was perfect for RCT, but next time I'm going to do progression balancing for sure

My goal is to play a little bit every day and by the end of the month have a fun park without janky bits that I build because I don't have time

[weary lagoon]

you're one of the strongest amusement park owners I've ever had the pleasure of meeting

[cold valve]

At least next month you won't have to run two different parks lol

Also what do you mean by "releasing items"? When you reach victory condition it sends all the remaining items out?

[midnight depot]

Yes but as the administrator I have set it so people explicitly need to do that

In case they still want to play the seed out

[cold valve]

Ah, how does one do that then?

[midnight depot]

You type !release in the client

/release playername for admin commands

[cold valve]

Cuz in my game i just 100%d it before finishing, but i didn’t have to

[midnight depot]

Yeah, you don't necessarily need to get every check in every game, but in the monthly game we tend to love completionist play

There is also collect, which takes your items from other people's worlds so you can finish the game without waiting on people.

[cold valve]

That's no fun

[midnight depot]

And missing+remaining, which show you which checks you have yet to do, and which items still exist in your world to find.

[cold valve]

Well i suppose if something dire happens to someone it could be needed

[midnight depot]

You can do missing and remaining freely if you don't want spoilers

Er, unless you don't want spoilers

[cold valve]

Is using magpie considered spoilers or cheating?

[midnight depot]

No, a tracker is just a tool that shows you the information you already have access to and organizes it better

It's up to you whether you use it, but it doesn't provide any information you don't already have

[cold valve]

Ok cool

For some reason mine never picked up that i had the magnifying glass or had traded with grandma

But that was probably because i traded with grandma before she moved from mabe to animal village

[midnight depot]

I don't really know much about LADX tracker nuances

[weary lagoon]

oh god

the controller vibrations for the dash and especially super dash are awful

The failed champion dream boss had Flitters water temple map!

[midnight depot]

You can turn them off

[weary lagoon]

Ye I did

[midnight depot]

I think if you use steam you can make the controller vibration less intense without turning it off

[weary lagoon]

the soul tyrant had jays post queen slime

im surprised I beat lost kin on the first try

he had kroots piece of heart

oh god I have Grim left

cant use fragile strength on him

and grimmchild is 4 notches

is that vanilla?

[midnight depot]

No it's not vanilla

You can still repair fragile strength at leg eater

[weary lagoon]

how much does it cost in vanilla

[fresh hill]

for small asyncs like ours, yeah, !release should generally be a "I feel done with this game" or "life happened and I can't play any more sorry" situation

in larger, more anonymous or disorganized AP games, it can become much more of a necessity, so hosts can set games to not allow releasing at all or even to auto-release on goal completion

[weary lagoon]

is nightmare king a check

I dont think ive beaten him before

[midnight depot]

In vanilla I think it costs 2

Nightmare king is not a check

[weary lagoon]

Normal Grim had an ice trap

[midnight depot]

He is a vampire

[weary lagoon]

now both my games are in BK mode

I didnt find anything useful

I think id like to try pokemon crystal next month

@fierce vale were hidden items really annoying in emerald

the ones you just press A on the ground for

[fierce vale]

i dont know, i never got emerald to work

it was really jank when i tried

[weary lagoon]

you played pokemon

maybe that was red

[midnight depot]

IIRC they have a new Pokemon Emerald build or something

[midnight depot]

https://wiki.ootrandomizer.com/images/e/e4/Tyrus.png?20200918102050

Tyrus's Green Rupee tracker for OoT. Tells you if you found Greg

https://github.com/Tyrusss/Important-Items-Tracker/releases

[weary lagoon]

any good items today?

[midnight depot]

Let's check the log

Log says no one played since you did

[fresh hill]

I've been prioritizing other stuff this week, and both my games are far enough along and close enough to BK that there's little point re-opening them unless someone finds one of my key items or hints one of my locations

[midnight depot]

https://www.zeldadungeon.net/wiki/Kotake

There's something off with the picture in this page

[cold valve]

what all do you need for my setup for the next game? just the yaml?

[fresh hill]

for the games officially supported by Archipelago, yes just the .yaml

those of us with unsupported games have to do a bit more, usually providing an .apworld file as well as a .yaml

[cold valve]

what is an .apworld file?

[fresh hill]

conceptually, think of it as an Archipelago plugin that tells the core AP tools how to generate multiworlds for a specific game, given a certain .yaml file

[cold valve]

black magic, gotcha

[fresh hill]

more concretely, an .apworld is a renamed .zip file containing a bunch of Python scripts that implement a subclass of World

[cold valve]

oh ok

dark magic

[fresh hill]

yup

if you can code it's actually surprisingly straightforward, unless the game's rando has a bazillion options

[cold valve]

what if i want to play peggle with this

[fresh hill]

check on the AP Discord if anyone is working on Peggle in AP lol

I could see that game working well actually

https://discord.com/channels/731205301247803413/1050870311387680859 looks like several people expressed interest and there are modding tools/docs for Peggle, but no one's working on implementing it for AP

[midnight depot]

Hi. Let's play some RCT2

I'm still in BK mode waiting for Kratta

But

I can get the park to a place where it has enough guests that I can finish it when I get Top Spin

[weary lagoon]

you got this

Ever considered running a no spin park?

[midnight depot]

I'm not allowed to do so https://i.imgur.com/Ym8rMEB.png

[weary lagoon]

theres no rules saying you have to follow the rules

This month I'm completing my game without beating Ganon

[midnight depot]

Oh okay

Then please do !release so I get my items

[weary lagoon]

No the release command is cheating

[midnight depot]

There's no rules saying you can't cheat

That's enough guests to finish

[weary lagoon]

What do you need for my double jump

[midnight depot]

Ferris Wheel from Ixrec's Subcon Forest Gallows, Dinghy Slide from Kratta's Forest Temple gold skulltula, or Top Spin from your Shadow Temple Invisible Spikes Chest

[weary lagoon]

🫨

[weary lagoon]

I dont know what to do with this

hold on maybe I do

but where do I put my name

[midnight depot]

Replace name: Player{number} with name: Artiks or whatever name you please.

[weary lagoon]

What do you think would be a good name?

[midnight depot]

CrystalArtiks

[weary lagoon]

No crystal to be found!

[midnight depot]

Do you need a special client for it? Can't you just use the generic SNI client or something?

[weary lagoon]

Move the apworld to your Archipelago /worlds folder (/lib/worlds on Windows). Opening the Launcher and selecting the .apcrystal file generated should open BizhawkClient and prompt for your Bizhawk location and Pokemon Crystal UE v1.0 ROM.

So I opened the archipelago client

What else would "the Launcher" be

[midnight depot]

This is the launcher, yeah

[weary lagoon]

clicking on SNI doesn't do anything

[midnight depot]

Maybe try again or ask in the thread

[weary lagoon]

same with Pokemon

[midnight depot]

The launcher can take like twenty seconds to start (It's a known bug)

[weary lagoon]

i clicked and left for a minute and nothing

[midnight depot]

Might be an issue with your installation? Normally it opens a new window in the same tree as the launcher

[weary lagoon]

maybe im on an old version

I installed in november

[midnight depot]

You should be on 0.4.4

[weary lagoon]

Let's try reinstalling archipelago!

Im on 0.4.3 maybe thats the prob

[midnight depot]

I recommend asking in the channel just in case

[fresh hill]

wait, wasn't Emerald added in 0.4.4?

oh you're doing Crystal nvm

[midnight depot]

Every time someone says Crystal the theme song plays

[weary lagoon]

Do you know what I have to do when Im here

[midnight depot]

No

[weary lagoon]

Ok I will figure it out

[fresh hill]

I remember errors like that the one time I did LttP, at least back then I think it boiled down to "set up the SNI client and/or emulator first"?

[midnight depot]

The SNI client might not even be right

[weary lagoon]

wanna run a test game?

[midnight depot]

Sure!

[weary lagoon]

heres my yaml

[midnight depot]

I also need the APworld and might require the ROM file

[weary lagoon]

lmk if you need the rom

[fresh hill]

[midnight depot]

Oops. Looks like I will need it to generate

[weary lagoon]

I meant romulus

[midnight depot]

https://archipelago.gg/room/U8zEjoBvTduuddUVPUF3vg

I have made a test game!

Let me know if you run into any issues.

[weary lagoon]

With Romulus?

it says no downloads for my game

[weary lagoon]

you have to give me this

[midnight depot]

I don't know why it doesn't download a patch file

Oh

This zip contains the whole game including the apcrystal file. Not sure why archipelago wouldn't share it

[fresh hill]

oh hey I remember stripes

[weary lagoon]

im in the game now

I wonder when the first check in crystal is..

[midnight depot]

The first check is the item the aide gives you

[weary lagoon]

Looks like everything is working

I sent toadstoo to drromulus

[midnight depot]

Yep! Well done!

[weary lagoon]

time for the tracker then

https://github.com/AliceMousie/crystal-ap-tracker/releases/tag/v0.0.2

where is it

I only see source code

[midnight depot]

It's a pop tracker tracker so maybe download the whole thing?

[weary lagoon]

hm where

github is hopeless to navigate for those who dont use it

[midnight depot]

This whole thing

In the page you linked, download the source code as zip

[weary lagoon]

poptracker is also on github and its so ass to find out what they want me to click

[midnight depot]

Then either unzip it into a specific folder or into pop tracker itself

I don't remember how pop tracker works

[fresh hill]

yeah, way more of these projects need to write actual instructions for the basic setup

poptracker itself is one of those programs that doesn't care where it lives so I have it in a folder on my desktop

and individual packs are usually zips that I extract into the packs/ subfolder:

[weary lagoon]

Alright everything should be ready for april

[midnight depot]

You should probably adjust the Crystal settings to include at least a little quality of life stuff like normalizing encounter rates

[weary lagoon]

isnt it vanilla right now

[midnight depot]

Yeah

You want it normalized so you don't have to fight twenty meowths before finding what other pokemon exist in this route

[weary lagoon]

i see

im gonna change it later

I might set fly as a starting item so I dont have to walk between kanto and johto constantly

[fresh hill]

would be nice to actually finish our March game before starting the April one

[midnight depot]

Every day is leg day

[weary lagoon]

I did have leg day today

[fresh hill]

do we know what specifically we're waiting on atm? I feel like everyone who was talking here was BK'd

[midnight depot]

I'm waiting on you

[fresh hill]

wait what

[midnight depot]

Or Artiks or Kratta

[weary lagoon]

imma let you guess

[midnight depot]

I need these items to move on with RCT

[fresh hill]

I'm aware of the %s but because of the low prog balancing that's a much weaker indicator than usual

iirc kratta was songless for ages?

[weary lagoon]

but you found it

So Kratta can do like a 100 things pretty sure

He said 2 days ago he was gonna get something we hinted but he must have gotten busy

Both of my games are 100% BKed thats why im just setting up crystal

[fresh hill]

I guess I could try to fully BK my HK

[weary lagoon]

I did get you that cake relic for hat in time if that matters

[cold valve]

What's this about a toad stool

[midnight depot]

I made a practice game for Artiks to test Pokémon crystal

[cold valve]

Oh ok. I should set up my next yaml

[midnight depot]

It had an LADX second game because I left that in the folder while generating

[cold valve]

All I'm really changing is adding in the trade sequence to the randomizer

[midnight depot]

You should add priority checks

[cold valve]

What's that

[weary lagoon]

It makes sure those checks are gold skulltulas

[midnight depot]

A priority check is guaranteed to have a progression item

For me in OoT, every boss and every song is a priority check

(but since gold skulltulas are progression items and there's 300 of them it's kind of not as fun as it could be)

You can also add excluded checks to guarantee parts of the game you won't do are always worthless

[weary lagoon]

wonder if theres any of those in crystal..

[midnight depot]

Crystal has Hidden Items on off

[weary lagoon]

yes I was very happy to see that

[midnight depot]

There's probably like twenty checks so annoying you might want to exclude

Crystal is big

[weary lagoon]

yeah and i set it to beat Red instead of beat the elite 4

[midnight depot]

I think the radio quiz and lottery thingy might be one

I always struggled with that as a child

(got a master ball once!)

[weary lagoon]

nicely done

how do I search for contents to a specific thread?

I want to search "lottery" in the crystal thread

[midnight depot]

You sure as fuck can't

You can search the spoiler log I posted above though

[weary lagoon]

Wow that makes me so mad

[fresh hill]

it does, but not on its own; I need another relic or two to unlock that time rift

[weary lagoon]

it does not have any lottery related words in the radio tower checks

[midnight depot]

Hell yeah

[fresh hill]

I probably said this at some point but: that part of subcon forest is locked behind my last painting

[midnight depot]

Yeah

[fresh hill]

which arti has, and said they're missing BotW keys for

whether this is a shorter chain than the other two you mentioned I have no clue

[weary lagoon]

Maybe I can find my botw keys in breath of the wild

[fresh hill]

anyway, that's why this week I've been focused on the Outer Wilds mod jam and reviewing the A Hat in Time .apworld code (in fact I was planning to do more of that review now)

[weary lagoon]

did you find anything epic in HK

[fresh hill]

I think last time I wandered around HK was mostly junk except for one or two hinted items I went straight for

[weary lagoon]

ive plandoed my fly to be early on as someone in the thread suggested

[midnight depot]

Good idea

Better than starting with it, but still guarantees it in the first few spheres

[fresh hill]

oh, and I think I've already spent all my hint points in both slots, so I probably have to wait for someone else to hint a thing or find an item anyway

[weary lagoon]

Im out of hints in OoT and in HK I've hinted the only progression item I'm missing

[weary lagoon]

Which one of us is the most like cyndaquil

[midnight depot]

You

[weary lagoon]

but im the trainer

[midnight depot]

We're all chikoritas and totodiles here

[weary lagoon]

@fierce vale do you have big cyndaquil energy inside of you

[midnight depot]

Chip is second most cyndaquil

[fierce vale]

whos the most cyndaquil

[weary lagoon]

me supposedly

[fierce vale]

i'm being told i have big zigagoon energy apparently, if that helps

i should have read the like 4 messages above of context

[weary lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/cyndaquil-cynda-jd-studiojd-gif-14305129481103349010

wow this is so accurate

(I'm only 6'2)

[fierce vale]

i'm 180cm on the dot

[midnight depot]

True

[weary lagoon]

I dont think I can catch zigzagoon in crystal

[shy oyster]

why is cyndaquil so shaped

[midnight depot]

It's an animal. Animals have shapes

[shy oyster]

i wanna squish him

he's so round though

[weary lagoon]

if you squish him he'll burn you

[midnight depot]

Round is a shape

[shy oyster]

what if i hold him gently

like a hamburger

[weary lagoon]

burnt

[cold valve]

i think i might start with the L1 sword, so i'm not immediately BK'd

[lament tusk]

oh we're discussing next months game?

[cold valve]

i am because i am not in a current one

[midnight depot]

We're likely to find you an item in the first few minutes

[lament tusk]

oh this months game is still going?

[cold valve]

and i'm trying to remember how to set this up

oh in that case i will forego the starting item

does the priority locations list need the location strings to be in quotes?

[midnight depot]

I don't remember. Try generating a game and see

A failed generation will tell you in the console in no uncertain terms

Tomorrow I'll be available to check the format myself

[wet field]

Correct. I went from 0 things to get to like a million things to get, and then I got distracted irl this week

[midnight depot]

We should all start our own OoT games in Kratta's slot

[wet field]

Yes. Guess who set their progression balancing to 10%

[lament tusk]

its ok

[midnight depot]

Me, Kratta and Artiks

[weary lagoon]

flitter told me to

[midnight depot]

True!

[wet field]

It was worth the experiment

[cold valve]

ok my yaml is good and the game works

[fresh hill]

ironically, I think I do want to try a lower prog balance value next time

but only 35, not 10

and because I'm leaning towards bringing 4 games for April

[weary lagoon]

Wow the audacity of this website

[midnight depot]

Okay, so what does Kratta need to finish the game

[weary lagoon]

time to play it

[midnight depot]

We've got the ganon's castle boss key, light arrows, a bow, magic

With vanilla rainbow bridge requirements, and six trials required

And in the vanilla requirements, you need to view the light arrow cutscene before the rainbow bridge shows up, which means you need the shadow and spirit medallions

Unfortunately two random dungeon bosses will have those

[weary lagoon]

can you try to generate with this?

[midnight depot]

Okay

https://i.imgur.com/s5LPFgc.png

Looks like Pokemon Crystal might not have plando enabled

Or

Maybe I don't have them enabled. Let me try something

No it's definitely not working https://i.imgur.com/eSBLfd7.png

[weary lagoon]

I did what the guy in the channel told me to

[midnight depot]

Hmm, let me try again

Oh this time it generated

Spoiler log

Test room https://archipelago.gg/room/2j4Sr9kUT8CmWRn3oaWPvQ

[weary lagoon]

ill need the apcrystal file to test it

oh thats the zip

[midnight depot]

Ye

[weary lagoon]

I got sandstorm from the guy who is supposed to give me fly

[midnight depot]

That's true!

Goldenrod Gym - Plain Badge from Whitney (Artipkmn): HM02 Fly (Artipkmn)

[weary lagoon]

Maybe Ill ask the guy who helped me to take a look at my yaml

[midnight depot]

This is the yaml and host file I used

[weary lagoon]

this is rly hard..

[midnight depot]

host.yaml is formatted correctly as you can see

[weary lagoon]

I changed what he told me to

Im going to asusme it works perfectly now

[midnight depot]

Wanna try it?

[fresh hill]

someday one of us will write a local options generator GUI so no one has to deal with nonsense like indentation

[cold valve]

here's my yaml for the april game. don't know if it's needed yet but i figured i'd post it just in case

[fresh hill]

I think I'm gonna try to fully BK my HK today

[midnight depot]

I'll ping everyone here once we have a date for the April game but it would be foolish to start it before we've finished the March game, so we might make it a three week game instead

[midnight depot]

Generates properly. Here's the output file

As you can see from the spoiler inside the zip file

Elm's Lab - Potion from Aide (Artipkmn): HM02 Fly (Artipkmn)

And Violet Gym - Zephyr Badge from Falkner (Artipkmn): Storm Badge (Artipkmn)

So there's no need to host this one, I suppose

[fresh hill]

yeah, IME plando just works once generation succeeds, all the issues I hear about are the host.yaml gotcha, needing a better understanding of .yaml syntax rules than any normal option, and of course accidentally asking for an impossible plando that just breaks generation

[weary lagoon]

this is great news

[midnight depot]

Hi

It's time to set up my OoT YAML

This time I'm going to make my skulltula tokens nonrandom.

Or maybe just local

[weary lagoon]

my oot yaml is already perfect just run it back

[midnight depot]

Do you have it on hand?

[weary lagoon]

No I've just told you to run it back the last 3 times

[midnight depot]

And every time I just go back in chat and find it again

Maybe you should keep a copy

[weary lagoon]

let me see

[midnight depot]

This time I'm going to randomize my damage multiplier

[midnight depot]

    # Controls the amount of damage Link takes.
    half: 0
    normal: 5
    double: 1
    quadruple: 1
    ohko: 0```

Thanks! I'll use that

Okay, let me test my YAML to see if it generates

Generates fine

Now what else do I want to play?

[weary lagoon]

wind waker

[midnight depot]

No, that's my least favorite Zelda

[weary lagoon]

well, it has the swift sail patched in

[midnight depot]

Yeah my problem is chibi link is uggo and I can't stand it

I'm probably going to play RCT again to make use of the new options

In order to make sure I don't run into any issues, I'm making sure the archipelago unlocks don't require my rides to have as much intensity or nausea as last time

And this time, I'll play Bumbly Beach

I will remove all traps since they weren't really impactful in an asynchronous context

[cold valve]

what actually is a trap in this context? i kept finding a bunch of them

[midnight depot]

I'm going to set it so it needs ten specific unique rides to finish

[midnight depot]

Spam trap sends me a lot of windows to close. Furry trap hires a ton of employees for me to fire. Bathroom trap makes my guests want to pee real bad, messing up the park

[cold valve]

oh ok

[midnight depot]

There. All done

Let's see if it generates

[cold valve]

like whenever you found my monster-in-a-box items, it dropped a bunch of zols on me wherever i was standing

[midnight depot]

That sounds more fun

[cold valve]

well they're super easy to kill so it was a brief inconvenience at best

it might be more fun when someone is playing at the same time as me and finds one

instead of just loading all the items at once when i log on

[midnight depot]

Yeah, like with most traps

In OoT I sometimes set my traps to onslaught, replacing every junk item with an ice trap

Each ice trap deals a little bit of damage to me, and if I get enough in a row while asleep I die

Keeping count of deaths due to ice traps is fun

Last seed I died thrice before I got so much HP that it was too difficult to kill me

Okay, RCT generates fine

I want to run a third game

Maybe a Short Hike. I'll decide when it's time to play

[midnight depot]

Actually, I think I'll play Pokey Park instead

[fresh hill]

that's enough mod work, HK time

first a colliseum

I should not be losing half my health to primal aspids

[midnight depot]

Aspids are brutal

[fresh hill]

I'm losing half my health to a lot of things I shouldn't be

definitely not a day for dream boss fights

that was a close one

this guy is still hard to kill

nice, I can combine hiveblood with joni's blessing to get limited healing even with the extra masks

[midnight depot]

You should combine both with deep focus

[fresh hill]

oh I was just doing this to get to the lifeblood cave in basin

[midnight depot]

(deep focus doesn't do anything)

[fresh hill]

ok that's not bad actually

[midnight depot]

Shopkeeper key. When I play Hollow Knight I always set all my shops to have the maximum amount of items possible

Don't forget the other item in there

[fresh hill]

I might do that next time, this is definitely one of those games where you can afford every shop item quite early on

yeah I'm trawling the map with all icons on now

enough of the map has been visited that I no longer need Transition 2 to keep it manageable

oh if I do max shop items definitely also a [0] gathering swarm in start_inventory

hm... no, without sprint hat that doesn't do anything yet

well thanks junk pit

[midnight depot]

You can set charm cost in plando?

[fresh hill]

not generic plando, but various games have game-specific plando options; HK has charm cost plando, AHiT has act plando

  PlandoCharmCosts:
    # Allows setting a Charm's Notch costs directly, mapping {name: cost}.
    # This is set after any random Charm Notch costs, if applicable.
    {}

FLUKE HERMIT FTW

said no one ever

that'll be nice when they do get to play again

[midnight depot]

Compasses are only useful if you also have a map as well, but there's a setting that makes compasses and maps reveal extra information about each dungeon

[fresh hill]

did the enemy pogo to save Bretta, wasn't that bad since the bench is so close

[midnight depot]

Hell yeah

Now you get to fight dream zote

[fresh hill]

they really didn't want me to get that piece of heart for kratta

oh right, dream bosses aren't the only challenge left

that was an utterly rubbish fight but I was OP enough to get away with it

[midnight depot]

The white lady is the best character

[fresh hill]

gee, thanks

[fresh hill]

ok, we're not doing zote

do you know how to get here without left claw? the logic appears to be saying I only need wings, but after several attempts to get over the barrier that's just not true

turns out it wanted me to crystal dash from the left of dirtmouth

and with that colosseum out of the way, the map now shows a grand total of 2 reachable checks, both known to contain junk items (e.g. grey mourner has kratta's slingshot ammo)

so I'm calling HK BK'd

now let's go use that blue metro ticket

and nothing of value was found

I am now officially in full BK for the March async

unless...

ah, I was missing a metro manhole level

and I think that means all my metro acts are complete, which unlocks the Rush Hour finale that is my goal this time

although the game says I'm missing a key item and can't complete it yet... probably the pink ticket?

yep, pink ticket is my go mode item

@wet field cow of destiny

[clear summit]

Kratta is now a bigger threat to Burger King than McDonalds

[wet field]

I just got that, and Flitter's dinghy

and the shadow medallion

[fresh hill]

and I just finished reviewing the AHiT .apworld code

time to finish this

[clear summit]

Oh kratta, is it annoying to pick up Shadow Temple MQ Invisible Blades Visible Chest? If so I'll just release & collect everything

[wet field]

shouldn't be a big deal

[fresh hill]

aaaaand the game crashed

no signs of instability this time, I think I'm nearly at the end of the gauntlet

there we go

let's try a death wish or two

...oh, the necklace bust was in my own world

that necklace you got me actually does unlock a time rift then

[fresh hill]

this is a surprisingly long run of death wishes I really like

ok maybe I can't do 10s train rush tonight

[weary lagoon]

lets seee what this shopkeepers key gets me

all junk unless flitters boat hire is good

[weary lagoon]

I got water temple keys, but I havent written down where water temple was

it was in the ice cavern 🥶

[weary lagoon]

surprisingly I could get everything in water temple except 2 skulltulas without longshot

the only thing that looked useful was sprint hat

[midnight depot]

Yo that's just what Ixrec needed

[midnight depot]

Good morning. Let's play OpenRCT2

[midnight depot]

RCTFlitter sent Relic (Mountain Set) to Ixhat (OpenRCT2_83)

RCTFlitter sent Small Key (Thieves Hideout) to kroooooot (OpenRCT2_91)

RCTFlitter sent Monomon to ArtiHK (OpenRCT2_94)

RCTFlitter sent Wayward_Compass to ArtiHK (OpenRCT2_153)

And that's another branch done

[weary lagoon]

Nice! the compass

I have access to the Radiance now, but that sounds really hard without double jump

Im not sure if its even possible to do the radiance platforming without it

[clear summit]

Oh I can just turn my game on and finish the last check(it is useless)

[midnight depot]

RCTFlitter sent Progressive Hookshot to Arti (OpenRCT2_118)

[weary lagoon]

Hurray!

Let's see where my monarch wings are

OpenRCT2_111

[midnight depot]

Those are on the pink branch, locked behind ferris wheel

Which is in Ixrec's gallows

[clear summit]

And that is 100% for me

[weary lagoon]

Nice one Jay

that was a close one only 2 days left

[clear summit]

lol yeah it was so close

I'm so badat terraria I almost failed at my task

[midnight depot]

RCTFlitter sent Bolero of Fire to kroooooot (OpenRCT2_270)

RCTFlitter sent Small Key (Gerudo Training Ground) to kroooooot (OpenRCT2_222)

RCTFlitter sent Boss Key (Fire Temple) to kroooooot (OpenRCT2_174)

That's the blue branch

[weary lagoon]

kroooooot feasting 🔥

[midnight depot]

And now I'm back in BK mode

Three branches left. Need Top Spin or Ferris Wheel to continue

[weary lagoon]

Let me think of what longshot gets me

1. two skulltulas in water temple
2. one skulltula on top of the tree at lake Hylia

And once im in shadow you need it for the scarecrow

[midnight depot]

Oh yeah that

[weary lagoon]

is longshot only required for 4 checks

[midnight depot]

You can use it to cross the gerudo valley bridge

[weary lagoon]

yeah you can do a lot with it, its just that everything but those 4 have alternatives

like cheesing the water temple with hover boots

[midnight depot]

True

[clear summit]

I was thinking about trying Factorio for April, but the game has a more complicated setup

hmm

[midnight depot]

It does have a complicated setup

[clear summit]

I was thinking about doing both RoR2 and terraria since both are relatively stress-free, and then maybe something new alongside

[midnight depot]

Play A Short Hike

I can give you a copy

[clear summit]

I do own a game

[weary lagoon]

play wind waker

[clear summit]

but I will have to learn how to do setups

[midnight depot]

Setup for ASH is pretty easy since it's a unity game

[clear summit]

Wind Waker I only watched speedrunners play and never tried it before so I think I would avoid for now

Also I am not sure how it would feel to play Zelda with KM setup

not with controllers

[weary lagoon]

that would be ass

[lament tusk]

just buy a usb GC controller

[clear summit]

Yeah I don't have a controller

[weary lagoon]

@ancient harness played Oot on keyboard

[lament tusk]

or do what i did and buy one when you were 9 and keep it thought like 12 house moves, 20 years and being homeless twice and also buy a gc/usb adapter

[midnight depot]

A Short Hike is definitely more fun on a controller

[lament tusk]

i think i played it km my first time

[clear summit]

idk, I don't play a lot of pc games that require controllers

I think I'll try ASH, but since archipelago hompage does not have a setup guide for it I will need a bit of help

[midnight depot]

It is an unsupported game. Let me provide you with the details

[ancient harness]

I don't recommend it

[midnight depot]

Put the contents of this zip into \steamapps\common\A Short Hike\Modding\

You will also need the apworld

[clear summit]

I don't have a modding folder, do I just make one?

[midnight depot]

Yes!

I think you might need Bepinex?

[clear summit]

Ok I moved it

[midnight depot]

@fresh hill just installed A Short Hike yesterday. He'll know

This is the apworld

[fresh hill]

this doesn’t sound like what I did

[clear summit]

Oh they added Celeste 64 support lol maybe I'll try that later

[fresh hill]

that'll be in 0.4.5, but that hasn't released yet, so it's also "unsupported" for our purposes

[clear summit]

Oh I see

[weary lagoon]

I got 0.4.5 archipelago when I reinstalled yesterday

[fresh hill]

ok so the first thing to do with any unsupported game is look for its thread in the AP server's #future-game-design forum, in this case https://discord.com/channels/731205301247803413/1136448655864381492 , and read the pinned messages

the first pin has the apworld file, and links to https://github.com/BrandenEK/AShortHike.Randomizer which tells you two install two other things

I think flitter's instructions above are missing the "ModdingTools" installation, which is what should have created the Modding/ folder to put Randomizer in

[clear summit]

Do I have to join a different Discord server to play it

[fresh hill]

no

[midnight depot]

Yeah sorry

[fresh hill]

we're copy-pasting all the instructions over here so you don't have to

[clear summit]

thank you

[fresh hill]

but also telling you this is the general procedure so that if you want to try setting up other unsupported games on your own in the future you know where to start

[clear summit]

I see

I'll probably stick with officially supported game mostly

[fresh hill]

incidentally, bepinex comes with the "ModdingTools" installation

I think some of this might have changed since you set up ASH

[midnight depot]

It's unfortunate that you're not playing A Short Hike anymore.

[fresh hill]

IME whether a supported game is easier to set up is mostly a roll of the dice, since for any AP game the hard part is modding the actual game; the advantages of being supported are that you don't need to put an .apworld file somewhere (but that's always the easy part) and the website gets these nice options pages https://archipelago.gg/games/Hollow Knight/player-options instead of hand-editing .yamls

[midnight depot]

Yeah, A Short Hike was easier than Terraria

[clear summit]

For me Terraria is much easier since I've played enough modded Terraria, so that makes sense

[fresh hill]

yeah, can't beat prior setup experience

[clear summit]

Factorio seemed to be convoluted too, although it is "officially" supported

[fresh hill]

I've heard Factorio's one of the harder ones

[midnight depot]

Factorio needs you to set up a server and a client

[fresh hill]

but yes the difficulty of setup is usually intrinsic to how the game works, and no amount of official support can change that

like how many rom games require running an emulator and often some weird bridge program to get programs outside the emulator to talk to it

[clear summit]

Yeah Terraria was the easiest for me as it always had semi-official mod support and also I've played a lot of modded Terraria

[fresh hill]

(what "supported" does or should mean is a regular talking point in the dev channels since the whole AP project's been growing rapidly and .apworlds made it easier than ever for randos like me to show up and just add another game overnight)

[clear summit]

Minecraft and RoR2 required a modded client I think

In order to create a new short hike mod:

dotnet new bepinex5plugin -n ExampleMod -T netstandard2.0 -U 2019.4.29

Do I have to do this thing?

[fresh hill]

no

I don't even know where you found that but that sounds like instructions to build from source, not install the mod

ah I see it now

[clear summit]

Yeah it was in the modding tools github page

[fresh hill]

yeah you skipped over the part that says "Click this link to download the Windows or Linux version"

[clear summit]

Ok I downloaded the modding tool and Randomizer thing

I hate how google search shows that it has a guide for ASH, although it doesn't have it in the real page

[fresh hill]

I wonder if it cached the beta site

anyway, if it worked the title screen should look like this:

[clear summit]

Uh-oh

No, it doesn't say randomizer

[fresh hill]

is this what your ASH folder looks like?

[clear summit]

Oh

I have a "randomizer" folder in Modding folder

[fresh hill]

ha, you made exactly the same mistake I did because the instructions don't specify

[clear summit]

[midnight depot]

It worked!

[fresh hill]

and clicking new game should prompt you to enter AP server info

[clear summit]

Yup

[fresh hill]

then I think we're good

[weary lagoon]

childs play

wind waker takes at least 2 hours to set up

[fresh hill]

AHiT requires waiting half an hour for Steam to download a downpatched version

[midnight depot]

Here's my yaml if you want it

[clear summit]

That looks overall normal, it's my first playthrough so if it doesn't have a specifically hard setting then I'll just use it

[midnight depot]

A Short Hike is not a hard game, and these settings are easy

But you might need to release at the end because some of the fishing checks take a while

[clear summit]

Yeah I think I watched like 2? playthroughs of it

And like 3 speedruns

[midnight depot]

I recommend setting Golden Feathers to 12-16, and silver feathers 1-3

[fresh hill]

now I'm going to send these guys a few PRs to make their installation instructions not suck

[midnight depot]

Other than that, the "Nap" goal might be too easy

It only requires six golden feathers

[clear summit]

golden_feathers:
# Number of Golden Feathers in the item pool.
#
# You can define additional values between the minimum and maximum values.
# Minimum value is 0
# Maximum value is 20
20: 50

20 to 12?

[midnight depot]

Yeah!

[clear summit]

Cool

Oh

[midnight depot]

The Photo goal is nice. The races goal can be tricky without enough silver feathers, the help everyone and fishing goals take too much time

[clear summit]

I didn't change name lol

[midnight depot]

It generates! https://i.imgur.com/KLH3Red.png

[clear summit]

Terraria should look same

[midnight depot]

Thanks. I will add that

[clear summit]

Oh the RoR2 setup is updated

[fresh hill]

https://github.com/BrandenEK/AShortHike.ModdingTools/pull/1
https://github.com/ArchipelagoMW/Archipelago/pull/3058

[midnight depot]

Well done

[fresh hill]

"contributing" docs is the best kind of passive aggressive

[clear summit]

Ok it's an absolute madman setting but considering the difficulty of ROR2 randomizer this should be a-ok

[midnight depot]

The game is also compatible with itch.io and it's weird it's not included

[clear summit]

It's not the hardest setting anyway

[fresh hill]

if you mean ASH, they actually do mention itch.io in the current setup instructions: https://github.com/ArchipelagoMW/Archipelago/blob/main/worlds/shorthike/docs/setup_en.md

[clear summit]

I have massive 45 checks per map so it would be much more interesting than the last time I played

[weary lagoon]

Risk of Rain more like risk of BK 🔥

[clear summit]

Also I made it so that I have to clear Mithrix

[midnight depot]

Yeah the modding tools don't mention itch.io

[fresh hill]

ah

[midnight depot]

Under certain settings, Risk of Rain cannot be in BK mode ever

[clear summit]

I think Classic doesn't have BK

Explore has

[fresh hill]

if you know the "root directory" for itch.io feel free to submit a PR for that too

[clear summit]

I have Explore setting so I can get BK'd

[fresh hill]

(actually, do you know github? I run into a lot of AP people who have no idea how to make a PR)

[clear summit]

45 checks per location would give me like 300~400 checks in total

[midnight depot]

Speaking of classic

https://github.com/studkid/RoR_Archipelago/releases

[clear summit]

And then Terraria has 100+, which is nice

[midnight depot]

I do know Github, and I own a short hike on itch.io

I should probably do that

[clear summit]

So I can finally have a game of Archipelago which I have enough location to feel more significant

[fresh hill]

although I realize now it'll conflict with my PR

annoying

I can add it to my PR

[clear summit]

Ah, I think I never had over 300 checks before

Minecraft and Terraria both have not-very-many checks and my first RoR2 run had only 276 checks

[fresh hill]

yeah, I can still Edit File on a PR I made in the web interface and just add more commits to it

so just tell me what the itch.io folder is and I'll add it

[clear summit]

Comparing that with Artiks or Ixrec in this game

Both had over 1000 checks

[fresh hill]

just wait until I bring 4 games

[clear summit]

Oh wait Ixrec had slightly less than 1000

983 in total

Artiks had 1072

King of the checks

[midnight depot]

Looks like it's the same as the Steam installation

https://i.imgur.com/3lJM0bY.png

[clear summit]

Flitter had 806, kratta had 437, I only had 114

[fresh hill]

HK's a debateable case since I did shuffle my geo rocks but kept them all local

[clear summit]

HK is definitely massive

How many geo rocks are there?

[fresh hill]

but it's "itch.io A Short Hike" instead of just "A Short Hike"?

[midnight depot]

Compare https://i.imgur.com/6KokBSG.png

No, it comes in a zip

[fresh hill]

ah

[midnight depot]

https://i.imgur.com/ywr5dxg.png

[fresh hill]

and you're told to extract it into steamapps/common?

[midnight depot]

No!

[clear summit]

Oh yeah, what do I have to do with the apworld file?

[fresh hill]

oh lol

[midnight depot]

It doesn't come with instructions

[fresh hill]

ok so no point describing it in these instructions I PR'd

[fresh hill]

the .apworld file is used during generation, so technically you don't have to do anything with it since Flitter's generating and hosting

[clear summit]

Oh I see

[fresh hill]

but put it in your Archipelago/lib/worlds/ folder anyway

because that gives you the ability to generate multiworlds locally with ASH if you ever feel like it

[midnight depot]

You can use the apworld file to generate test games

[fresh hill]

or play a solo multiworld; people do that sometimes

[clear summit]

Oh they have another Archipelago-exclusive game other than Sudoku

[midnight depot]

Several!

There's pharcryption, archipidle

[fresh hill]

I think most of them are hint machines or jokes/examples but yeah

Pharcryption is at least half joke

[shy oyster]

when are you guys starting a new one

[fresh hill]

[weary lagoon]

Monday baby

[fresh hill]

I believe the hope is to fully finish the March game first

[weary lagoon]

Im gonna make so many funny "I found your x" april fools

[clear summit]

ok "Clique" is definitely a joke game

[fresh hill]

fun fact: I used Clique's code when I was bootstrapping my own .apworld for OW

[clear summit]

Checksfinder sounds like something that I can actually play but I don't know how the game plays like

[fresh hill]

incidentally I need to go use my Sprint Hat in AHiT, but first, shower

[clear summit]

Oh I think it's just a minesweeper but I get checks

lol

[midnight depot]

I'll ping everyone when we're ready to play, and I will ask for YAML files then

[clear summit]

Ok I think ASH Terraria and RoR2 is all I'll play for April

[midnight depot]

Three is plenty

[clear summit]

That's still like 500 checks

[midnight depot]

We already have like

10 games already

[clear summit]

People are getting so used to Archipelago that everyone just have to play multiple games now lol

[midnight depot]

How many games to play is a function of how much free time you have, how often you're willing to play, and how much you enjoy randomizers

[clear summit]

Sure

But I also felt like I'm doing so little when I have 114 checks while the room has 3.4k checks

[midnight depot]

You should play Sonic Adventure 2

[fresh hill]

also how many of these randos we've played before (of my 4 games for April, 2 are ones I've done before, and in fact those 2 are both ones I helped beta test and/or develop in small ways)

[midnight depot]

It has like 3k checks on its own

[clear summit]

Jesus christ

[fresh hill]

...if you enable all the *sanities lol

[midnight depot]

The only reason you'd play it is for the checks

[clear summit]

I don't want to imagine myself using hours raising chao just for some checks

[fresh hill]

I'm told DLCQuest can have an even dumber number of checks though they're also denser and not what a normal person would play on

[midnight depot]

Yeah

There's a Terraria archipelago in development that randomizes items instead of just bosses and achievements

[clear summit]

Generally some genres work very well with randomizers, while some can have stupidly many checks but not very fun

[midnight depot]

So stuff you find in chests, fish, enemy drops, and so on are randomized

[clear summit]

Nintendo has 3 top-tier randomizer-compatible franchises

[midnight depot]

Craftables and mineables are normal

[clear summit]

namely Zelda, Pokemon, and Metroid

[fresh hill]

and many of my favorite games are Metroidvanias

[clear summit]

honestly Pokemon works slightly worse than other 2

[fresh hill]

so, obviously, I picked Outer Wilds to randomize

[clear summit]

Metroidvania and open/semi-open adventure action rpg type games work best with Archipelago type randomizer

Because they have great balance between key items and locked area

[fresh hill]

there's also a surprisingly large range of games that work well as soon as you replace the vanilla game's linear level sequence with some sort of "hub world" model

[clear summit]

I saw EazySpeezy playing a "everything is randomized" mod (not Archipelago), so it does sound interesting while it also sounds like it may be a nightmare

Yeah I think Terraria can work well if someone make an Archipelago-specific mod that overhauls the overall progressions

[fresh hill]

e.g. although I have not played Psychonauts yet, the vanilla game happens to have a built-in hub world to help you revisit levels that are no longer available in the story for 100% item collection, so the rando just starts you there and picks a random first level

and I'm told KH2 does a similar thing

and of course SM64 and AHiT are hub worlds to begin with

[clear summit]

I think just having a hub world is only a part of what makes a game great for Archipelago

it also requires a key-item based progression

Which Metroidvania games have by definition

[fresh hill]

yeah, I was referring to games that have key/ability progression and a linear level structure, so at first glance it's not as obvious they'd work

[fresh hill]

can I do Cheating The Race with only sprint hat...

[midnight depot]

It can be done

[fresh hill]

I'm aware, the question is can I do it

[midnight depot]

With the speedrun guide in hand, possibly

[fresh hill]

yeah this feels like it's only gonna happen with glitches I don't know (or can't execute like sdjs)

whoops I don't actually have the mail delivery act anywhere, so nothing I can do with the sprint hat after all

oh, that was my last death wish

I am truly BK then

[wet field]

I think I just need to get my fire arrows from the shadow temple and then I can beat the game

I had sooo many important items stockpiled that I couldn't use until I got song of time, and it seems like it was actually a short path to beating the game after

[midnight depot]

Oh what do you need fire arrows for?

[wet field]

The master quest spirit trial

[midnight depot]

You should try the trials skip

I wonder if you can do that in MQ spirit

[wet field]

Can you link me to it?

[midnight depot]

If the room with the statues is the same it should be doable

Yes one moment

https://www.zeldaspeedruns.com/oot/majorsb/trials-skip

The video inside is low res but perfectly usable

This one https://youtu.be/AZGccdS6nkQ

It's one of the easier clips.

[wet field]

Lol that counts as glitchless, doesn't it

I'll give it a try

[shy oyster]

i remmeber when i was younger i watched a Mario 64 speedrun where they did a bunch of insane clipping and my 10 year old mind was blown

[midnight depot]

It might

[wet field]

Me watching a half life 1 speedrun at 13

[midnight depot]

The trickiest part is aligning yourself properly

There's like three ways you can mess up after you clip out of bounds

[shy oyster]

i had literally no idea what was going on all i saw was Mario zooming all over the place and then suddenly the game was over

[wet field]

[midnight depot]

So take a save state at the point you align yourself with the door just in case

[shy oyster]

apple bloom

[weary lagoon]

Apple Bloom might be fake ive got a big scoop

[shy oyster]

holy shit

[midnight depot]

https://i.imgur.com/ze91o5B.png

I have solved overcrowding

Now people complain they're running out of cash instead