Archipelago Multiworld Multi-game Randomizer | Manechat | Page 29

midnight depot Mar 8, 2024, 9:36 PM

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I have chosen this scenario so that when I have allow high construction, I can slowly but surely get checks as long as I have the rides required

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Feels good to finally be able to do stuff

wet field Mar 8, 2024, 10:22 PM

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DN? twideeznuts

fresh hill Mar 8, 2024, 10:22 PM

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dream nail

wet field Mar 8, 2024, 10:22 PM

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Deez Nuts

shy oyster Mar 8, 2024, 10:27 PM

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gotem

midnight depot Mar 8, 2024, 10:53 PM

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After 90 minutes on the design table, I am unconvinced this check is possible with my current tools

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Let's move to the next one

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A check!

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Water temple boss key for artiks

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Ice arrows for me!

midnight depot Mar 9, 2024, 12:25 AM

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https://i.imgur.com/w7hxWS0.png

Imgur

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https://i.imgur.com/uPB9SGk.png

Imgur

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It didn't send

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[root at 2024-03-09 00:23:49,180]: Notice (all): Cheat console: sending "25 Pons" to Ixhat

midnight depot Mar 9, 2024, 1:08 AM

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Oh it sent

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Well I take it back

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Hover boots for Kratta

clear summit Mar 9, 2024, 2:29 AM

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Oh my hardmode is on

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nice

midnight depot Mar 9, 2024, 2:31 AM

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All done for tonight

clear summit Mar 9, 2024, 2:32 AM

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It is so funny how I have all the way until post golem but also don't have post EoC

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idk how the game works if I haven't beaten mechs but also have beaten plantera and golem

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probably plantera bulb not spawning

midnight depot Mar 9, 2024, 2:34 AM

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Yeah it'll make for a lot of silly weird stuff

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Like in OoT where tons of impossible flag combinations are available now

weary lagoon Mar 9, 2024, 9:40 AM

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Im going to play the legend of Zelda

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Wow, I got the light arrow

clear summit Mar 9, 2024, 9:43 AM

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Just snipe ganon with it from 10km away and finish the game

weary lagoon Mar 9, 2024, 9:44 AM

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i dont know where he is

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hm...

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its a bit high up

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i cant get it

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i knew about that one but thanks anyway

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I got krooooots slingshot with a very precise hover boots trick

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so if that wasnt the first slingshot im going to be really really angry

clear summit Mar 9, 2024, 10:25 AM

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since I have post-plantera, I could easily cheese into killing golem

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ironically I can't kill plantera since I don't have post-mech and the bulbs don't spawn

weary lagoon Mar 9, 2024, 10:53 AM

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sheesh so many items in HK

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but can still only attack down ICANT

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the soul master had kroooots other ocarina

weary lagoon Mar 9, 2024, 11:26 AM

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@midnight depot

midnight depot Mar 9, 2024, 1:42 PM

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You got it

weary lagoon Mar 9, 2024, 2:21 PM

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Thank you

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can you find the left one too?

midnight depot Mar 9, 2024, 2:46 PM

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I'll look for it

clear summit Mar 9, 2024, 3:01 PM

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gonna do some sudoku

midnight depot Mar 9, 2024, 3:26 PM

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You can also use https://github.com/HintMachine/hintMachine

GitHub

GitHub - HintMachine/hintMachine: HintMachine is a program giving h...

HintMachine is a program giving hints for your Archipelago games. - HintMachine/hintMachine

clear summit Mar 9, 2024, 3:48 PM

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Interesting

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lol I own 2 supported games

midnight depot Mar 9, 2024, 3:52 PM

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I have about ten, which is more than I expected

midnight depot Mar 9, 2024, 5:18 PM

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Heya. Time to play OoT

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Thanks for ice arrows, ice trap, ice trap, ice trap, ice trap, compass, ice trap, death, ice trap, ice trap, ice trap

clear summit Mar 9, 2024, 5:24 PM

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ok I have no idea how this hint machine thing works

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I'm playing games with hint machine on but the quest thing isn't progressing at all

midnight depot Mar 9, 2024, 5:31 PM

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Hmm, it's supposed to read the game's memory (or save file) and look for the correct flag

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So you need to be connected to archipelago as your Terraria game, and it must detect the correct things

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Zelda's letter was Zelda's letter

clear summit Mar 9, 2024, 5:34 PM

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I did all the setup and it did validate my game, but the progress was stuck

weary lagoon Mar 9, 2024, 5:34 PM

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that'll never get old..

clear summit Mar 9, 2024, 5:45 PM

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cadancewheeze

midnight depot Mar 9, 2024, 5:50 PM

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That's odd

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Post eye of cthulu to Jay

clear summit Mar 9, 2024, 5:57 PM

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ccloudypog

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Finally

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Although I think most locks for me now are simply progression-locked

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I have a few I can technically do rn, golem and duke fishron

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And uhhhh solar eclipse and queen slime too. Unsure if I can do eol and martian invasion rn

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To finish the game I will need skeletron, all mechs, cultist, lunar event, and moon lord

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Or I guess I don't need moon lord

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Terraria actually only have very few "necessary" boss checks:

Skeletron, WoF(Hardmode), all mechs, plantera, golem, cultist, lunar events(aka pillars)

midnight depot Mar 9, 2024, 6:22 PM

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Queen Gohma had a gold skulltula token

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My first boss done!

weary lagoon Mar 9, 2024, 7:16 PM

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Gorb down

wet field Mar 9, 2024, 8:09 PM

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weary lagoon so if that wasnt the first slingshot im going to be really really angry

It was the first, so you get to be a hero and not a fool

clear summit Mar 10, 2024, 2:21 AM

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...wait they have calamity mod support?

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fresh hill Mar 10, 2024, 2:28 AM

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oh that's how Terraria handles the boss flags

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how much would those unlock?

clear summit Mar 10, 2024, 3:13 AM

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individual won't do a lot

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I need all 3 of them to progress

midnight depot Mar 10, 2024, 6:00 AM

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Calamity support is in progress

clear summit Mar 10, 2024, 6:33 AM

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I saw some calamity checks when I looked at all possible checks

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I can use mod to do some sequence break that is not possible in vanilla, but idk how I feel about it

weary lagoon Mar 10, 2024, 10:00 AM

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Thank you for the hookshot

weary lagoon Mar 10, 2024, 10:48 AM

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I got 28 skulltulas so lets find out where the rainbow bridge goes

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Fire temple

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and I have no goron tunic

midnight depot Mar 10, 2024, 10:50 AM

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Oh you have only the basic wallet?

weary lagoon Mar 10, 2024, 10:50 AM

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BUT I got the first check which was the gerudo membership card magipog

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yes

midnight depot Mar 10, 2024, 10:51 AM

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You can get like three more checks without a Goron tunic at around five hearts

weary lagoon Mar 10, 2024, 10:51 AM

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not without keys I cant

midnight depot Mar 10, 2024, 10:51 AM

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That's true

lament tusk Mar 10, 2024, 10:52 AM

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Hello, this is the lock picking lawyer here and what we have before us today is....

weary lagoon Mar 10, 2024, 10:53 AM

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big poe was my dreamshield

midnight depot Mar 10, 2024, 10:55 AM

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I'd like to see lockpicking lawyer do water temple keyless

weary lagoon Mar 10, 2024, 10:56 AM

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Epic gerudo horseback time

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50 pons for 1500, hope those are good

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GTG is GTG

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i did a lot but feels like I didnt get much

midnight depot Mar 10, 2024, 11:14 AM

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Time to play RCT

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Thank you so much for the two faster speeds and easier guests

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Oh my tree removal is in OoT.

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Thanks for strength, slingshot

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bolero of fire, death, money, bottle

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Ice hat for Ixrec

midnight depot Mar 10, 2024, 11:48 AM

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Mirror shield for Kratta

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Serenade of water for me

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That is all for today

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[Hint]: OoTFlitter's Progressive Hookshot is at Geo_Rock-Deepnest_Spike_Grub_Right in Ixbug's World. (not found)

clear summit Mar 10, 2024, 12:01 PM

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how far are you from maron's song

midnight depot Mar 10, 2024, 12:02 PM

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I got Malon's song

clear summit Mar 10, 2024, 12:02 PM

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oh

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lol

midnight depot Mar 10, 2024, 12:02 PM

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Tracker

clear summit Mar 10, 2024, 12:02 PM

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brainfart

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I thought song from malon was post skeletron

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it was in fact openrct2_39

midnight depot Mar 10, 2024, 12:03 PM

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It's okay because I got it yesterday while you were asleep and I didn't ping you

clear summit Mar 10, 2024, 12:03 PM

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Well I did react to it 7 minutes after you got it

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cadancewheeze

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I just thought post eye of cthulu was something else

midnight depot Mar 10, 2024, 12:04 PM

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Let me play RCT and see if I can get checks

clear summit Mar 10, 2024, 12:04 PM

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skeletron opens up dungeon which is quite useful, and I'm not sure but it may end up summoning lunatic cultist since I have post-golem

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not sure if they show up if I have post-golem without post-mech

midnight depot Mar 10, 2024, 12:05 PM

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I think 39 is locked behind one of the first two checks here

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It's hard to make a wooden wild mouse with over five nausea

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I have a design that actually fits, but I need more space for it

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And I need to clear trees to make space

midnight depot Mar 10, 2024, 12:29 PM

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The mod's creator is reducing the nausea requirement to be >4 instead of >5

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That would bring these rides from near impossible to just plain doable

clear summit Mar 10, 2024, 12:45 PM

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yeah nausea 4 is like an average ride

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That spinning wild mouse should be way easier to get 5 nausea tho

midnight depot Mar 10, 2024, 12:53 PM

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Unfortunately the spinning wild mouse is past the check we need

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I'm thinking of cheating to just pass the first two checks in interest of us not getting stuck

clear summit Mar 10, 2024, 1:14 PM

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Very helpful hint indeed

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cadancewheeze

clear summit Mar 10, 2024, 1:32 PM

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I actually did access some dungeon items using godmode to ignore dungeon guardians

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But some checks require dungeon mobs to spawn

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idk if this feels dragging on then I can sequence break a few spots

fresh hill Mar 10, 2024, 1:43 PM

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first try today, cleared first phase again (with full health even)

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THERE WE GO

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sorry dude, I do not care about your tragic backstory, I'm just here for arti's focus

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thank you

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let's do... shopping, then deepnest, then crystal peak for today

clear summit Mar 10, 2024, 1:57 PM

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[Hint]: Ixbug's Unbreakable_Greed is at Old One's Army Tier 1 in Jay's World. (not found)

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Ok I'm not even sure if I can do Tier 1 at this point

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I already recieved post-tier 1

fresh hill Mar 10, 2024, 1:58 PM

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...that's a serious bug if true lol

clear summit Mar 10, 2024, 1:59 PM

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I'm gonna bruteforce clear old one's army by cheating and see what tier it clears

fresh hill Mar 10, 2024, 2:00 PM

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oh grimm's here

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I don't even remember what triggers that

clear summit Mar 10, 2024, 2:02 PM

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wait it is worse than I thought it would be

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It is spawning tier 3

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uhhhhh

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I think it's not possible to downtier it

fresh hill Mar 10, 2024, 2:07 PM

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okay, if I'm understanding this right, the HK map mod uses the same visual style for unrandomized vanilla locations as it does for checked randomized locations, and my world has grimmkin flames unrandomized... although I guess actually fighting grimm is probably still a check? because of the usual "everything's a check even when it's not" bug it's hard to check if it's a check

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I really wish this map would throw out half its features so it could have a competent UX at the actually important things like "can I do anything here"

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anyway I'm going to not spend all my charm notches on the grimmchild since I think I can't get anywhere with it until enough of the map is revealed to have access to all the flames anyway

clear summit Mar 10, 2024, 2:10 PM

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OH

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It just clears every check if I clear tier 3

fresh hill Mar 10, 2024, 2:11 PM

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does clearing tier 3 also clear the lower tiers?

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ok cool

clear summit Mar 10, 2024, 2:11 PM

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Well the only thing that even remotely sounds good is the greed thing you got

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other two were just skulltula and ice trap

weary lagoon Mar 10, 2024, 2:12 PM

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Now I can almost play the game

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Just need to be able to attack

fresh hill Mar 10, 2024, 2:12 PM

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personally I never play with fragile stuff

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although iirc this is still a progressive first half of the unbreakable version

weary lagoon Mar 10, 2024, 2:13 PM

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I did on my iron man run ICANT

clear summit Mar 10, 2024, 2:13 PM

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ok time for me to do the mindless grinding

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I'm simply gonna use godmode because this is way too boring

fresh hill Mar 10, 2024, 2:14 PM

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ok, looks like my main shop rotation has been reduced to money for money checks, so I'm gonna start clearing those for completeness

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enjoy that whopping 29 essence arti

clear summit Mar 10, 2024, 2:15 PM

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dream wielder?

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is that good

fresh hill Mar 10, 2024, 2:16 PM

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I think that's a charm? can't remember what it does

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dream nail is the massive progression item

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is this important?

clear summit Mar 10, 2024, 2:19 PM

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it's just one of the rides

fresh hill Mar 10, 2024, 2:20 PM

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well, I thought some rides were important

clear summit Mar 10, 2024, 2:21 PM

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mindblown

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over 40% drop rate and it is never dropping

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I am wondering if the game logic is weird and it only drops if mech bosses are killed or smth

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Something must be wrong, I refuse to believe that it is simply me being unlucky that I killed 40+ mothrons and still don't have it

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Yeah it is definitely not me being unlucky

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I guess the game logic is often weird when I don't follow the linear passage

fresh hill Mar 10, 2024, 2:31 PM

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that seems fitting

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finally found one of your posts

clear summit Mar 10, 2024, 2:46 PM

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ccloudypog

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It may not be huge but it is significant

fresh hill Mar 10, 2024, 2:48 PM

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we will never understand this NPC

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so mysterious they don't even have a check

clear summit Mar 10, 2024, 2:53 PM

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biome key was a check I was really worried about, but luckily I got one early and it's even hallowed, which I need for another check, so that's good

fresh hill Mar 10, 2024, 3:00 PM

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kirinpraise

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was this one of the other posts you were looking for?

clear summit Mar 10, 2024, 3:00 PM

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yeah

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one more mech and it's pretty huge

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I think

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the last one is in flitter's oot tho

midnight depot Mar 10, 2024, 3:10 PM

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fresh hill is this important?

Yes, every ride can be progression

fresh hill Mar 10, 2024, 3:18 PM

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I am so bad at this dream

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okay, that's the western at-least-half of Deepnest cleared, I feel like stopping there since I already got all the important hinted items

clear summit Mar 10, 2024, 3:50 PM

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ok so I'm in a weird spot where I am in a BK but also one of the qol mods allow me to sequence break

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I think I can get like uhhh

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6?7? more checks if I do that

midnight depot Mar 10, 2024, 3:51 PM

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You're already ahead but the way you play is up to you

clear summit Mar 10, 2024, 3:52 PM

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rn I think I'll leave it there

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They are all instantly unlocked as soon as I get post-skeletron anyway

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frost moon and pumpkin moon checks

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post skeletron will allow me to kill dungeon slime which should be another check

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and one more check for killing a dungeon mob

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Boss/event checks (0 total)
~~-Plantera check: will be unlocked after post-destroyer (in ootflitter)~~
~~-Lunatic Cultist check: will be unlocked after post-skeletron, I think~~
~~-Lunar event/Moon Lord: post-skeletron~~
~~-Pumpkin Moon/Frost Moon checks (7 total): can do it rn, will be naturally unlocked after post-skeletron~~
~~-Frost Legion check: have no idea how the present drop will work, probably also post-Skeletron?~~

Achievement checks (1 total)
~~-Temple Raider: post-destroyer, as I have to kill plantera~~
~~-Robbing the Grave/Gelatin World Tour: post-skeletron, need dungeon access~~
~~-Sword of the Hero: I think post-destroyer, I need Broken Hero Sword~~
~~-Sick Throw: Soon™️~~
~~-Slayer of Worlds: post-Skeletron, I have to kill Lunatic Cultist/Moon Lord~~
~~-Infinity +1 Sword: Soon™️~~
-Real Estate Agent: need post-Queen Bee

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From my sudoku games I have learned that most of those checks don't have useful items, so I am just gonna go slow now

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Wow that will be extremely annoying. That is one of the worst grinding achievements.

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I did finish it, recommend using 10x spawn rate (and probably godmode if you don't want to die 300 times)

midnight depot Mar 10, 2024, 4:07 PM

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I turned grinding off

clear summit Mar 10, 2024, 4:07 PM

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Rainbows and Unicorns requires you two rare items

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a biome key (hallow key) and a ride item(blessed apple)

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I definitely believe that it should count as a "grindy achievement", I don't know why that is included as a check for your game

midnight depot Mar 10, 2024, 4:13 PM

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Well it says in the hint that post lunar events is not a progression item

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It's simply "useful"

clear summit Mar 10, 2024, 4:13 PM

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huh

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Ah, I see

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I guess since you can get the spawner from the lunar events, they just didn't care

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it probably don't instantly spawn moon lord like it does in a normal game, but it shouldn't matter since moon lord spawner can be crafted

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I guess I should've looked for post-lunatic cultist instead

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That'll be my next hint then, I need two more checks before next hint

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either skeletron or destroyer will work.

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oh lol

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I'm BK in sudoku too rdwut

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I can play sudoku for other people if they want

midnight depot Mar 10, 2024, 4:24 PM

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I don't mind it if you do that for me, but I don't particularly need it

clear summit Mar 10, 2024, 4:26 PM

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It's not very helpful anyway unless your game has only a few checks

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all it does is simply show what one of your checks has in it and even then it's also random

midnight depot Mar 10, 2024, 4:39 PM

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Oh that's fucking why

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It was randomized so I get significantly less nausea

midnight depot Mar 10, 2024, 5:05 PM

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Greed for Artiks

weary lagoon Mar 10, 2024, 5:06 PM

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I'm Greed. I'm greedy

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How do fragile charms work in the randomizer

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can I lose them

midnight depot Mar 10, 2024, 5:09 PM

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Just like the base game

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If you die you lose them, leg eater can repair them

fresh hill Mar 10, 2024, 5:10 PM

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iirc they're also progressive, in that there are two items called Fragile Thing and Unbreakable Thing, and receiving either one will give you access to Fragile Thing in-game, then receiving both gives you access to Unbreakable Thing

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similar to the spells and their upgraded versions

midnight depot Mar 10, 2024, 5:10 PM

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Yeah

midnight depot Mar 10, 2024, 6:37 PM

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Pale ore for Ixrec

midnight depot Mar 11, 2024, 4:08 PM

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I guess I can't play today

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Instead, maybe I can play Ocarina of Time

clear summit Mar 11, 2024, 4:10 PM

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Wow

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go tell Colby

midnight depot Mar 11, 2024, 4:10 PM

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He's asleep but I'm leaving the game paused until he wakes up

clear summit Mar 11, 2024, 4:11 PM

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What kind of error is it

midnight depot Mar 11, 2024, 4:11 PM

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No clue!

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I updated the game based on his instructions and started a new scenario in hope it will be doable

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My forest temple is Gerudo Training Ground

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Mirror shield for me, mark of pride for ixrec

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Post destroyer to Jay

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Magic for Artiks

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Deku nut capacity for Artiks (!)

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I think that's all I can do in OoT

weary lagoon Mar 11, 2024, 4:49 PM

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Thanks, magic is pretty good

midnight depot Mar 11, 2024, 10:29 PM

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I fixed openRCT2 by updating and starting over.

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And now I'm in BK mode there!

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Water temple small key for Kratta

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The game now automatically hints every check

weary lagoon Mar 12, 2024, 5:45 PM

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how is progress going towards getting my right slash flitter

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im getting bored of booting the game and trying to fight the collector with down slash only

midnight depot Mar 12, 2024, 5:49 PM

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Let's see

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For right slash I need to kill the pumpking

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And for pumpking I need pumpkin moon, which requires me to have hardmode and post plantera

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Let me hint for those and see what they need

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[Hint]: TrrFlitter's Post-Plantera is at Geo_Rock-Hive_Stash in Ixbug's World. (not found)

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[Hint]: TrrFlitter's Hardmode is at Forest Temple Phantom Ganon Heart in OoTFlitter's World at DMC Fire Temple Entrance -> Fire Temple Lower. (not found)

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In order to get the latter, I need the megaton hammer, and the fire temple boss key

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And I am out of hints on OoT so I can't get either

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Let's play OoT

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No good. I feel pretty stuck

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Tracker.of.Time.v4.3.2.x64_96cNekLbs0.png

weary lagoon Mar 12, 2024, 6:14 PM

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uh ohhh

midnight depot Mar 12, 2024, 7:47 PM

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I'm using the Terraria tracker to know for sure what I can do and what I can't

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Grubberfly's Elegy for Artiks, Din's Fire for Kratta

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It's so handy! Automatically detects your settings and tells you what you need

midnight depot Mar 12, 2024, 8:39 PM

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All right. Terraria is stuck again

clear summit Mar 13, 2024, 10:54 AM

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That and Post-Skeleton in OpenRCT are the only major progression left for me

fresh hill Mar 13, 2024, 12:36 PM

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ancient basin? hm... I think one of you found my king's brand very early on so that might be doable

clear summit Mar 13, 2024, 12:50 PM

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You don't have to hurry, it doesn't do anything until I get post-Skeletron

fresh hill Mar 13, 2024, 1:20 PM

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sure, but it's a good tie-breaker when I get around to playing and ask myself where to go next

midnight depot Mar 13, 2024, 6:01 PM

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Hi.

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Let's see if any of my games are out of BK mode

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I need swinging ships

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[Hint]: RCTFlitter's Swinging Ship is at Boss_Essence-White_Defender in Ixbug's World. (not found)

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In order to get the hookshot badge, I need to go down the silver branch, which requires twist

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In order to get post skeletron for Jay, I need the pink branch, or Swinging ships.

weary lagoon Mar 13, 2024, 6:09 PM

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Herra had Jays shoe spikes

midnight depot Mar 13, 2024, 6:11 PM

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Oh hell yeah, marketing campaigns!

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Those are so good for making money, thank you

weary lagoon Mar 13, 2024, 6:11 PM

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youre welcome

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i found my megaton hammer

midnight depot Mar 13, 2024, 6:16 PM

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That's pretty big!

fresh hill Mar 13, 2024, 7:39 PM

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the perks of helping test changes to AP core: I get to use Text Client hint sorting before 0.4.5 comes out rdawwyeah

midnight depot Mar 13, 2024, 7:41 PM

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What's tdifferent here?

fresh hill Mar 13, 2024, 7:41 PM

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they're sorted by Not Found status

midnight depot Mar 13, 2024, 7:41 PM

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Oh that's super handy. I remember hearing about that one

fresh hill Mar 13, 2024, 7:41 PM

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I don't think any of these are massive items though, so I'll probably just vaguely explore the east half of the map today

midnight depot Mar 13, 2024, 7:42 PM

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Swinging ship would allow me to break out of BK mode

fresh hill Mar 13, 2024, 7:43 PM

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oh, in that case

midnight depot Mar 13, 2024, 7:44 PM

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Would give me the following checks

fresh hill Mar 13, 2024, 8:15 PM

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thanks for the pale ore

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oh right, next upgrade is the two ore one

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here goes nothing

midnight depot Mar 13, 2024, 8:26 PM

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Good luck

fresh hill Mar 13, 2024, 8:27 PM

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that was fast

midnight depot Mar 13, 2024, 8:27 PM

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I recall white defender has yet another requirements before you can fight him

fresh hill Mar 13, 2024, 8:28 PM

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neat

midnight depot Mar 13, 2024, 8:30 PM

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And Nayru's love for Kratta

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That one allows for megaflip skips

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Cast Nayru's love, drop a bomb, backflip and block

fresh hill Mar 13, 2024, 8:31 PM

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I have completely forgotten how to reach White Defender

midnight depot Mar 13, 2024, 8:32 PM

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Oh uh

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He's hiding beneath the water pump lever

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Down spell at the area

fresh hill Mar 13, 2024, 8:34 PM

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...the floor here doesn't make the noise

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that's cheating marblegrump

midnight depot Mar 13, 2024, 8:34 PM

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Well it's made of poop

fresh hill Mar 13, 2024, 8:34 PM

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not this bit

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anyway yeah he's not here yet

midnight depot Mar 13, 2024, 8:34 PM

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It's poop fashioned into stone facade

fresh hill Mar 13, 2024, 8:35 PM

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I feel like the extra condition is some broader game completion flag like maybe fighting Hornet 2

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so I'm gonna do other stuff

midnight depot Mar 13, 2024, 8:36 PM

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Oh you need all three dreamers

fresh hill Mar 13, 2024, 8:36 PM

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oh

midnight depot Mar 13, 2024, 8:36 PM

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That doesn't sound right

fresh hill Mar 13, 2024, 8:42 PM

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TIL you can destroy a stalactite with your nail before it starts falling

midnight depot Mar 13, 2024, 8:44 PM

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And after it starts falling, you can redirect it at enemies

fresh hill Mar 13, 2024, 8:50 PM

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hm... not sure I can do this without left claw

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actually I got past that part but then later it hard requires dash so never mind

midnight depot Mar 13, 2024, 8:52 PM

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Yeah

fresh hill Mar 13, 2024, 8:52 PM

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actually scratch the hard

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ok that's enough for now, I'm pretty sure this is possible, maybe later

midnight depot Mar 13, 2024, 8:54 PM

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It's doable but might only be in logic if you have hard platforming plus narrow spike tunnels

fresh hill Mar 13, 2024, 8:55 PM

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yeah it's not in logic (nor should it be)

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I think that's actually what's keeping me from the whole rest of crystal peak

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@wet field do you need one of these?

weary lagoon Mar 13, 2024, 9:02 PM

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i already found that so its just ammo

wet field Mar 13, 2024, 9:02 PM

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No

fresh hill Mar 13, 2024, 9:02 PM

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cool, I don't think I have QG access anyway

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lol, I can hit this through the wall

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good thing too, I don't remember where the lever is

weary lagoon Mar 13, 2024, 9:09 PM

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Lever is such a whack word

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we call it spak it should have been spack in english imo

midnight depot Mar 13, 2024, 9:16 PM

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There's no lever for that one

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You have to climb up from below

fresh hill Mar 13, 2024, 9:16 PM

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oh

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I thought I looked there

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let's see if I'm still awful at watcher knights

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I think I nearly dropped the game here in my original playthrough

midnight depot Mar 13, 2024, 9:20 PM

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Watcher knights can be really annoying

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Fortunately you know about the chandelier trick

fresh hill Mar 13, 2024, 9:21 PM

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can't get there without left claw

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I think I killed 2-3 of them? not sure, but this feels way more doable than my first time

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honestly lack of fireball is a bigger issue now

midnight depot Mar 13, 2024, 9:23 PM

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Don't you have double jump or something?

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Down spell gives you a period of invincibility you can use to bypass a rolling knight

fresh hill Mar 13, 2024, 9:25 PM

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SECOND TRY

midnight depot Mar 13, 2024, 9:26 PM

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Very nice

fresh hill Mar 13, 2024, 9:26 PM

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oh I misjudged where the chandelier thing was, that is easily reachable

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well I wanted to do it legit anyway

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...oh, the City entrance to Kingdom's Edge requires swim

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so without tram pass, I don't think I have either Basin or Edge available?

midnight depot Mar 13, 2024, 9:32 PM

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You can get to Basin without swim

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From the sewer direction

fresh hill Mar 13, 2024, 9:32 PM

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does waterways conne- okay

midnight depot Mar 13, 2024, 9:33 PM

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The map can be configured to tell you which checks are accessible to you

fresh hill Mar 13, 2024, 9:33 PM

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well, in theory it does that, but they never solved the small keys problem

midnight depot Mar 13, 2024, 9:34 PM

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That's true

fresh hill Mar 13, 2024, 9:35 PM

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that geo rock I just broke was marked unreachable, for example

midnight depot Mar 13, 2024, 9:36 PM

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The logic police is gonna catch you

fresh hill Mar 13, 2024, 9:52 PM

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rip-off

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there you go

midnight depot Mar 13, 2024, 9:59 PM

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Yo my final boost to speed

fresh hill Mar 13, 2024, 10:07 PM

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welp, so much for clearing out this area

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that's a good stopping point anyway

midnight depot Mar 13, 2024, 10:07 PM

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Yeah you need shadow dash for that one barrier

fresh hill Mar 13, 2024, 10:08 PM

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oh I didn't even remember that

midnight depot Mar 14, 2024, 1:04 AM

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clear summit Boss/event checks (0 total) ~~-Plantera check: will be unlocked after post-destr...

clear summit Mar 14, 2024, 1:05 AM

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Well

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The whole thing can be summarized "all but one check can be done after post-skeletron"

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rdwut

midnight depot Mar 14, 2024, 1:06 AM

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That's good

clear summit Mar 14, 2024, 1:06 AM

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Thanks to the Witch Doctor who blocks me getting 100% with post-skeletron

fresh hill Mar 14, 2024, 12:39 PM

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https://github.com/ArchipelagoMW/Archipelago/pull/2952

GitHub

Adding Godhome Goal Logic by qwint · Pull Request #2952 · Archipela...

What is this fixing or adding?
Adds all the required Event items and logic ported from Rando4 and Journal Rando when appropriate and transformed to fit AP's formatting.
The only rule that was w...

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when you wish you were better at video games

weary lagoon Mar 14, 2024, 7:34 PM

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any good items today

midnight depot Mar 14, 2024, 7:39 PM

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Good question!

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It looks like Kratta played tonight

weary lagoon Mar 14, 2024, 7:40 PM

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Kratta is famous for finding good items

midnight depot Mar 14, 2024, 7:40 PM

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Sent Ixrec descending dark and me a looping rollercoaster

weary lagoon Mar 14, 2024, 7:41 PM

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Has anyone found my Morel's Pipe?

midnight depot Mar 14, 2024, 7:49 PM

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I'm not about to fall for that one twice

weary lagoon Mar 14, 2024, 7:52 PM

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What..

wet field Mar 14, 2024, 7:54 PM

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midnight depot Sent Ixrec descending dark and me a looping rollercoaster

Are those good?

fresh hill Mar 14, 2024, 7:55 PM

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descending dark is my down spell upgrade, nice but not essential

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(having down spell at all is essential but someone found that for me ages ago)

midnight depot Mar 14, 2024, 7:57 PM

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Yeah looping roller coasters are one of the best most versatile coasters, but

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I already had a copy?

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[root at 2024-03-01 14:11:11,979]: (Team #1) RCTFlitter sent Looping Roller Coaster to RCTFlitter (OpenRCT2_6)
[root at 2024-03-14 00:52:21,051]: (Team #1) kroooooot sent Looping Roller Coaster to RCTFlitter (Market Potion Shop Item 5)

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Pretty sure that's not supposed to happen

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Oh apparently you get multiple copies and they progressively give you more variants

fresh hill Mar 14, 2024, 7:59 PM

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I was about to ask if it's another progressive item not called progressive

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apparently this is a common mistake

midnight depot Mar 14, 2024, 8:00 PM

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Technically not progressive since each variant is independent

fresh hill Mar 14, 2024, 8:00 PM

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ooooh

midnight depot Mar 14, 2024, 8:00 PM

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But in practice nobody cares which variant you use unless they cause the coaster to crash

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So having the variant you want or not having it comes down to slightly different stats and this message in red

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Ahh, peak archipelago

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Set the game to maximum speed and leave

midnight depot Mar 14, 2024, 8:27 PM

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Lmao I forgot to make sure my guests can exit this ride

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These guys have been in the water for ten years

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One third of the way to the archipelago goal of buying all land on the map

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I'll leave the rest for when I have discounts

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When I get tree removal I'm gonna change this park so much

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I have used some of my spare skips to get @fresh hill's hookshot trap because I figured he's playing A Hat in Time next

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Er, Hookshot badge

wet field Mar 14, 2024, 8:44 PM

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I forgot to tell him he needs to find my song of time

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Ixrec: find my song of time 🫵

midnight depot Mar 14, 2024, 8:45 PM

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[root at 2024-03-14 00:16:39,510]: Notice (Team #1): [Hint]: kroooooot's Song of Time is at Geo_Rock-Hallownest_Crown_Hidden in Ixbug's World.

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Oh he needs left claw

fresh hill Mar 14, 2024, 8:51 PM

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is that the top of crystal peak?

midnight depot Mar 14, 2024, 8:52 PM

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It's one of the hidden checks on the climb

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Needs double jump or enemy pogo

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Plus left claw from earlier

fresh hill Mar 14, 2024, 8:54 PM

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possibly also dash (mothwing cloak), considering where I got stuck trying to go out of logic before

midnight depot Mar 14, 2024, 8:56 PM

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Oh yeah

weary lagoon Mar 15, 2024, 4:32 PM

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any good items today

midnight depot Mar 15, 2024, 4:32 PM

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No items today.

weary lagoon Mar 15, 2024, 4:32 PM

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fresh hill Mar 15, 2024, 4:45 PM

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might do AHiT later, had to do mod stuff this morning

weary lagoon Mar 15, 2024, 4:47 PM

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Did we finally ban Gastolgo

midnight depot Mar 15, 2024, 4:53 PM

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Who the hell is Steve Jobs

weary lagoon Mar 15, 2024, 5:17 PM

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anotha day of only down attack hollow knight gameplay 💪

midnight depot Mar 15, 2024, 5:24 PM

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Down attack is all you need

weary lagoon Mar 15, 2024, 5:26 PM

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no it sucks dick

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i got your fire temple boss key

midnight depot Mar 15, 2024, 5:26 PM

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Oh sweet

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That's what I needed for uh

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That's what I need for Terraria

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TrrFlitter's Hardmode is at Forest Temple Phantom Ganon Heart in OoTFlitter's World at DMC Fire Temple Entrance -> Fire Temple Lower. (not found)

wet field Mar 15, 2024, 5:31 PM

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weary lagoon no it sucks dick

That's all you need

midnight depot Mar 15, 2024, 5:31 PM

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True

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That's why the knight lowers his head every time he wins a fight against a nail master

weary lagoon Mar 15, 2024, 5:50 PM

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kroooooots iron boots

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got an INSANE amount of stuff today

midnight depot Mar 15, 2024, 5:53 PM

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Hell yeah

wet field Mar 15, 2024, 8:37 PM

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Hell yeah

weary lagoon Mar 15, 2024, 9:22 PM

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Lets see if I can do anything fun in oot

midnight depot Mar 15, 2024, 9:23 PM

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Oot needs down attack only too

weary lagoon Mar 15, 2024, 9:24 PM

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day 15 my ass still has baby wallet

midnight depot Mar 15, 2024, 9:24 PM

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I set my YAML so I only need the 200 wallet for any purchase

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No grinding rupees in the money cow grottto for me

wet field Mar 15, 2024, 9:30 PM

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What's the money cow grotto?

weary lagoon Mar 15, 2024, 9:31 PM

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the grotto with a respawning 20 rupee above goron town

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I found kroooooooooooos boss key for the shadow temple

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dont think I can get anything else done

wet field Mar 15, 2024, 9:32 PM

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I've just been selling bugs. I guess that's for when you don't have bottles?

midnight depot Mar 15, 2024, 9:33 PM

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The money cow grotto is faster money with fast forward when you're not adult link

wet field Mar 15, 2024, 9:33 PM

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Fast forward??????!!

weary lagoon Mar 15, 2024, 9:33 PM

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I need this

midnight depot Mar 15, 2024, 9:34 PM

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I will get it as soon as possible

wet field Mar 15, 2024, 9:34 PM

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You're crazy if you think I'm using fast forward

midnight depot Mar 15, 2024, 9:34 PM

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I use it liberally

weary lagoon Mar 15, 2024, 9:35 PM

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me too I dont need to cross hyrule field at snail pace

midnight depot Mar 15, 2024, 9:37 PM

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I play the game at the original native resolution with no other graphical enhancements to make sure fast forward works

wet field Mar 15, 2024, 9:38 PM

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weary lagoon me too I dont need to cross hyrule field at snail pace

I do

shy oyster Mar 15, 2024, 9:39 PM

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use a horse

wet field Mar 15, 2024, 9:39 PM

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You can't if you're a child

weary lagoon Mar 15, 2024, 9:39 PM

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Captainmario we all know you are too scared to play a real mens game (OoT)

shy oyster Mar 15, 2024, 9:39 PM

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i'll do it someday

shy oyster Mar 15, 2024, 9:39 PM

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wet field You can't if you're a child

what

wet field Mar 15, 2024, 9:40 PM

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Children can't ride horses unless it's the Majora's Mask intro

shy oyster Mar 15, 2024, 9:40 PM

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KRATTA DONT AGREE WITH HIM

weary lagoon Mar 15, 2024, 9:40 PM

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Or in Majoras Mask outside of the intro

wet field Mar 15, 2024, 9:40 PM

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shy oyster KRATTA DONT AGREE WITH HIM

Prove us wrong then

shy oyster Mar 15, 2024, 9:40 PM

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fine maybe i will

wet field Mar 15, 2024, 9:41 PM

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nmmdoit

shy oyster Mar 15, 2024, 9:41 PM

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after i finish my current TotK playthrough of course

wet field Mar 15, 2024, 9:41 PM

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oot is never getting played, is it pensive_cowboy

shy oyster Mar 15, 2024, 9:42 PM

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YES IT IS

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i promise

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is OoT actually good

wet field Mar 15, 2024, 9:42 PM

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Yeah it's pretty good

shy oyster Mar 15, 2024, 9:42 PM

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ok dumb question

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like

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i meant is it as good as people say it is

midnight depot Mar 15, 2024, 9:42 PM

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I play it every month

wet field Mar 15, 2024, 9:43 PM

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shy oyster i meant is it as good as people say it is

How good do people say it is?

weary lagoon Mar 15, 2024, 9:43 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/the-legend-of-zelda-ocarina-of-time-zelda-nintendo-owl-gif-19577268

Tenor

shy oyster Mar 15, 2024, 9:43 PM

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wet field How good do people say it is?

like it's the best game ever

wet field Mar 15, 2024, 9:43 PM

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It's not the best game ever

weary lagoon Mar 15, 2024, 9:43 PM

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its the 2nd best game ever

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After OoTMM

wet field Mar 15, 2024, 9:43 PM

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It's not even the best Zelda game

midnight depot Mar 15, 2024, 9:43 PM

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It's certainly no Tears of the Kingdom

shy oyster Mar 15, 2024, 9:44 PM

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well yeah i guess im not expecting that level of good

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i dont think ive ever played a traditional 3d Zelda now that i think about it

wet field Mar 15, 2024, 9:44 PM

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Well then oot is a good one to play because it's the first

shy oyster Mar 15, 2024, 9:44 PM

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true true

weary lagoon Mar 15, 2024, 9:45 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duPynkGEFGI this is how good it is

YouTube

videogamedunkey

Ocarina of Time (dunkview)

Play it on the 3ds.

▶ Play video

midnight depot Mar 15, 2024, 9:45 PM

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It is however the best drummer in the beatles

weary lagoon Mar 15, 2024, 9:47 PM

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wow the cow rupee is in this video

wet field Mar 15, 2024, 9:48 PM

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Huge

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That's a nice homage to our archipelago games

shy oyster Mar 15, 2024, 9:49 PM

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i always forget how good Dunkey is at reviewing games

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like that really made me wanna play OoT lol

fresh hill Mar 15, 2024, 10:12 PM

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shy oyster i meant is it as good as people say it is

the hype has a lot to do with how huge of a leap forward it was for gaming at the time it came out; like many great games, some of its sequels that "did the same thing" are arguably intrinsically better, but of course weren't as influential

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it's like how Super Metroid is a great game, maybe the single most influential (2D) one, but now that Zero Mission, Returns, Fusion and Dread all exist and are in many ways improvements on that formula, it's hard to come up with a reason to favor Super over them

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but that argument is much more clear-cut with the 2D Metroids than with the early 3D Zeldas; there are enough major differences between Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask and Twilight Princess (those are the two most like OoT, right?) that it's reasonable to like any of the three the most

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in my personal case, I never played MM, and I strongly prefer TP over OoT primarily because I found OoT's overworld to be inscrutably obtuse (but I still finished it because the dungeons were amazing)

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~~meanwhile, anyone who can't stand bloom will rank TP the lowest~~

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ponders making a randomizer for Okami

shy oyster Mar 15, 2024, 10:28 PM

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im so mixed on TP's aesthetic

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sometimes i think it's gorgeous and then others i think it's super ugly lol

weary lagoon Mar 15, 2024, 10:30 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/malo-twilight-princess-tp-baby-malo-mart-shock-gif-26105722

Tenor

lament tusk Mar 15, 2024, 10:53 PM

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I fucking love tp
It's basically oot but better

fresh hill Mar 15, 2024, 10:53 PM

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and you can get away with saying that rdsnrk

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oh cool, I have enough time pieces to reach a new telescope

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OH

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I have the whole Metro open now

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all right, time for some auto-hint spam

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@midnight depot do you need Bow or Bomb Bag or are they just ammo?

fresh hill Mar 15, 2024, 11:30 PM

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seems the metro shops have little progression this time, I might be able to just buy all of it anyway

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kinda gives away the surprise

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lol, so that's what happens if you unlock a time rift before its corresponding telescope

fresh hill Mar 15, 2024, 11:54 PM

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seems appropriate

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I think I'm gonna stop here after quickly checking what acts are in the telescopes I haven't started on

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yeah those look doable

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so I probably have most of the game available now; the sprint hat, time stop hat, and various metro passes should only block 1-2 checks each, and the paintings would likely unlock more checks each, and I have no clue what my zipline status is since I haven't found alpine yet

weary lagoon Mar 16, 2024, 8:20 AM

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I'm stuck in my OoTMM seed because I don't have the Majoras Mask C-left button for the ocarina. I had to check the spoiler log which says the button is in the OoT water temple, however the spoiler log also says the water temple is in Snowhead, which I can't get to because playing Gorons Lullaby needs the left c-button

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Wonder what im missing

weary lagoon Mar 16, 2024, 8:59 AM

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I finally beat the collector and was rewarded with 3 traps and 10 bombs

weary lagoon Mar 16, 2024, 9:29 AM

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idk

fresh hill Mar 16, 2024, 12:21 PM

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relics unlock levels for me, but it’s anyone’s guess whether it’s an important level

clear summit Mar 16, 2024, 2:13 PM

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My game is so useless in terms of checks now, I think the only things that are even remotely helpful in progression are Arcane Egg for Ixrec, Steady Body for Artiks, and Land Discount for Flitter

fresh hill Mar 16, 2024, 2:27 PM

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arcane egg is a sellable treasure, and I think I've got all my shop items in both games already

clear summit Mar 16, 2024, 2:36 PM

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one less "even remotely helpful" then rdwut

fresh hill Mar 16, 2024, 2:38 PM

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I dunno if my games have much of use either, I think I already got everything people hinted for, and I found very little last time (assuming the bow and bombs were just ammo)

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 2:47 PM

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I do need that land discount

clear summit Mar 16, 2024, 2:48 PM

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Well it is behind Slayer of Worlds

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So it's back to your RCT

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 2:49 PM

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Oh, thanks for classic mini rollercoaster

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 4:13 PM

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RCTFlitter sent Rupees (5) to kroooooot (OpenRCT2_97)

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And back to BK mode

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I need swinging ship for the next check

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Which in turn needs white defender from Ixbug

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Let's do OoT. I have like forty minutes

weary lagoon Mar 16, 2024, 4:14 PM

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enjoy your new boomerang

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 4:14 PM

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Oh hell yeah

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Thank you for fire temple boss key, death, bigger bomb bag, quiver, death, boomerang, death, spirit temple small keys, light arrows

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I found Artiks's greg

weary lagoon Mar 16, 2024, 4:26 PM

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thanks

fresh hill Mar 16, 2024, 4:34 PM

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and white defender was blocked on all three dreamers?

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maybe I should hint those

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oh and my left claw would let me get kroot's song of time, that might be a bottleneck

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 4:37 PM

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I'm not sure that in the randomizer white defender requires three dreamers

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Yeah, looks like you do need them in the randomizer

clear summit Mar 16, 2024, 4:38 PM

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We have like a long chained list of bottleneck checks

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cadancewheeze

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 4:38 PM

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The dreamers are monomon, herrah and lurien

fresh hill Mar 16, 2024, 4:38 PM

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do we? (we might but I didn't think we'd established it yet)

clear summit Mar 16, 2024, 4:38 PM

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At least for mine I think

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Like I need post-skeletron

fresh hill Mar 16, 2024, 4:39 PM

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ok HK's documentation/setup/etc doesn't mention anything about changing vanilla access requirements

clear summit Mar 16, 2024, 4:39 PM

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Which is locked behind Flitter's RCT

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which is locked behind your white defender

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 4:39 PM

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My spirit temple is Jabu Jabu's belly

clear summit Mar 16, 2024, 4:39 PM

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Which is locked behind whatever you need

fresh hill Mar 16, 2024, 4:39 PM

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ok, so 1 dreamer I have already, a 2nd one is in my deepnest so I might be able to get that already, and the 3rd is TrrFlitter's Photosynthesis

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what does Photosynthesis need?

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and my left claw is OpenRCT2_255, whatever that is

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(I never played an RCT)

clear summit Mar 16, 2024, 4:40 PM

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Photosynthesis is post-plantera

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 4:40 PM

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Yeah, I only need to get post plantera and post hardmode

clear summit Mar 16, 2024, 4:41 PM

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Well you would need to sequence break to get it only with post-plantera

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But yeah basically.

fresh hill Mar 16, 2024, 4:41 PM

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and your post-plantera is at my hive... which I need either swim or tram pass to reach I think?

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well I'm out of hint points anyway so probably I just need to play my games more if you're all BK'd

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 4:42 PM

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Actually I just got a lot of stuff to do just today!

weary lagoon Mar 16, 2024, 4:43 PM

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i have scraps left in both games

clear summit Mar 16, 2024, 4:43 PM

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I think by the way how RCT works, it may have tons of stuff locked behind it

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 4:43 PM

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I can do all of Jabu Jabu's belly with the boomerang, and the fire temple boss which is guaranteed to be a progression item

clear summit Mar 16, 2024, 4:43 PM

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Which can be unlocked by a few additional stuff

fresh hill Mar 16, 2024, 4:43 PM

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does the HK in-game map have a mode that would give me a quick answer to "anywhere else I can go", not just whether I missed any items in the areas I have been to?

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 4:44 PM

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I don't understand the question

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It has a mode that shows all the unchecked items you can reach right now

clear summit Mar 16, 2024, 4:45 PM

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I may just for fun try playing Sudoku with Flitter's RCT to see how many things are locked behind that swinging ship

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 4:45 PM

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My RCT game has 274 checks, locked behind eight branches of the shop. The shop is the only mechanism I can get checks with

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Like so https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1119170161518334004/1217533620856553623/openrct2_Kkr9srzp7U.png?ex=66045f8b&is=65f1ea8b&hm=9cca7735b92f19e66bd5587f6c42a8da463629f23f8a88071d68613669f91a3d&

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Right now swinging ship blocks like six of the eight branches

fresh hill Mar 16, 2024, 4:47 PM

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ok, so the chain to my dreamers might be our top priority

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 4:47 PM

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Space Rings for me

clear summit Mar 16, 2024, 4:47 PM

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Imma play some sudoku with rctflitter

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 4:47 PM

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Have fun!

clear summit Mar 16, 2024, 4:48 PM

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It only tells you what items the game currently holds in its locations so it would be interesting

fresh hill Mar 16, 2024, 4:48 PM

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so if anyone sees Swim or Tram Pass in a shop buy that immediately

clear summit Mar 16, 2024, 4:51 PM

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[Hint]: Ixhat's Time Piece is at OpenRCT2_219 in RCTFlitter's World. (not found)

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well great start

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cadancewheeze

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 4:57 PM

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Barinade is Barinade

clear summit Mar 16, 2024, 4:58 PM

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ngl while I played AHiT, I have absolutely no idea what the major progression items are in randomizer

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 4:59 PM

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Progression items are time pieces, relics, hats and badges

clear summit Mar 16, 2024, 5:00 PM

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Yeah but I'm like unsure which stuff are considered essential

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like key-item level of

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I guess hats?

weary lagoon Mar 16, 2024, 5:01 PM

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Thanks for the gold skulltula. I don't need those

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 5:01 PM

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Time pieces and relics do unlock levels, and the levels are the game

clear summit Mar 16, 2024, 5:02 PM

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For example

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[Hint]: Ixhat's Relic (UFO) is at OpenRCT2_234 in RCTFlitter's World. (not found)

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I have no idea how important this is

fresh hill Mar 16, 2024, 5:02 PM

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this time I'm playing with HatItems: true, so instead of Yarn each of the individual hats is an item

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so the short version is

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every level/"act" in AHiT is blocked by:

a random number of Time Pieces required to access the telescope/chapter it's in
possibly completing some "previous" acts, depending on how the telescope/chapter is structured
in many cases, a specific Hat or the Hookshot Badge (none of the other badges matter)
special Time Rift levels are blocked by either completing acts in the same chapter or by receiving a certain combination of Relics

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however, in this async, I already have most of my Time Pieces, the most important Hats (Sprint Hat and Time Stop Hat would unlock a few things but not much), and my Hookshot Badge

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 5:05 PM

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Hmm, my tracker says I can make it to the carpet salesman as child link. Any idea how?

fresh hill Mar 16, 2024, 5:05 PM

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when I played AHiT yesterday there were 2 entire chapters I had accessible and just didn't start playing

clear summit Mar 16, 2024, 5:05 PM

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I see

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 5:05 PM

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I know as adult link you can cross the gap if you hop just right

fresh hill Mar 16, 2024, 5:06 PM

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and a more direct answer to your example: every Relic is required for at least one check, and every Hat is required for at least a few checks, and Time Pieces/Yarn are critical for a while then become worthless as soon as I get enough to unlock the final chapter/hat

weary lagoon Mar 16, 2024, 5:06 PM

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how can you be in a situation where you can reach that area as child but not adult

fresh hill Mar 16, 2024, 5:07 PM

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heck I'm gonna play some more right now

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 5:07 PM

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I need strength

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Child link can make it through spirit temple, but adult link needs to push the blocks

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From spirit temple I can reach the exit at the hands of the desert colossus, which leads me to the desert

weary lagoon Mar 16, 2024, 5:08 PM

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i see

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thats always funny because you get to enter spirit for a new dungeon

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 5:09 PM

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Yeah! It was Jabu Jabu's belly

clear summit Mar 16, 2024, 5:09 PM

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An already fully filled Sudoku box ccloudypog

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 5:10 PM

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Oh that's neat

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The carpet salesman needs a song of time block so I don't have to learn new tricks

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I'm going to do other checks. I don't have time for this now

fresh hill Mar 16, 2024, 5:15 PM

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because I am a very suboptimal player, I'm doing a death wish instead of those untouched chapters I was talking about

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 5:17 PM

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Death wish is fun

fresh hill Mar 16, 2024, 5:18 PM

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these superboss fights are so good once P&T makes the difficulty manageable

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 5:20 PM

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That's all for today.

fresh hill Mar 16, 2024, 5:20 PM

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I EARNED those five deku nuts

clear summit Mar 16, 2024, 5:21 PM

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[Hint]: TrrFlitter's Post-Queen Slime is at OpenRCT2_158 in RCTFlitter's World. (not found)

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Wow that is a useless thing

fresh hill Mar 16, 2024, 5:32 PM

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you know which check I always forgot my first few times playing this?

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this stupid not-invisible-but-might-as-well-be chest

clear summit Mar 16, 2024, 5:44 PM

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[Hint]: kroooooot's Light Arrows is at OpenRCT2_129 in RCTFlitter's World. (not found)

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Now that is what we call a key item

weary lagoon Mar 16, 2024, 5:46 PM

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you're spoiling the whole rando

clear summit Mar 16, 2024, 5:47 PM

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Well

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I can stop then

fresh hill Mar 16, 2024, 5:47 PM

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is Food Stall important?

weary lagoon Mar 16, 2024, 5:47 PM

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Im not going to an amusement park without one

clear summit Mar 16, 2024, 5:47 PM

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idk how randomizer works but it should be considering the vanilla game

fresh hill Mar 16, 2024, 5:48 PM

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oooh I have Ship Shape, that's gonna be ~20-something checks back to back

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 5:48 PM

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Food stalls are not progression, beyond the very first one

clear summit Mar 16, 2024, 5:48 PM

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Oh it is a progressive type

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 5:49 PM

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Each time I get the food stall item, one type of food stall is unlocked for me to build

clear summit Mar 16, 2024, 5:50 PM

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Yeah should be trivial then

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unless there are checks like "have 5 types of food stalls"

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 5:51 PM

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I have not seen any checks that ask me for non-rides but it's not implausible

fresh hill Mar 16, 2024, 5:51 PM

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ok, worst check in the game is done, on to tasksanity

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I just realized I don't have sprint hat for this

wet field Mar 16, 2024, 5:57 PM

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midnight depot Hmm, my tracker says I can make it to the carpet salesman as child link. Any ide...

Jump and attack mid air

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 5:58 PM

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Oh right that is a thing

fresh hill Mar 16, 2024, 6:04 PM

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I am so bad at tasksanity

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 6:06 PM

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What's Tasksanity?

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Like, in the boat?

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I hate those tasks so much

fresh hill Mar 16, 2024, 6:06 PM

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in the Ship Shape level where you have to complete 18 semi-random point A to point B timed errands before the captain gets tired of waiting, tasksanity is the yaml option that turns each task into a separate AP location

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there we go, got it second try

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enjoy that ice trap, I worked hard for it

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which also unlocks my next chapter 1 act...

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oooh Owl Express, that should be ~8 checks

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forgot I already had the time rift in here

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hold up

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is this a thing you said you wanted?

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right tiny text

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"classic mini roller coaster"?

weary lagoon Mar 16, 2024, 6:23 PM

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the vlc hat

fresh hill Mar 16, 2024, 6:31 PM

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I think my favorite hat skins are the witch's/vlc brewing hat, the nyakuza face mask and the furry ice hat

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 6:32 PM

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Yes! You got me classic mini roller coaster earlier, and this gives me a variant

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Unfortunately, it only unlocked one check

fresh hill Mar 16, 2024, 6:50 PM

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clear summit > [Hint]: Ixhat's Relic (UFO) is at OpenRCT2_234 in RCTFlitter's World. (not fou...

this would go great with the Relic (Tin-foil Hat Cow) I just found ppenk

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 8:00 PM

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@cold valve I'd like to invite you to play with us in our next Archipelago game. Archipelago.gg is a multiworld multi-game randomizer where you shuffle items between everyone's games, but everyone only plays the games they want to play.

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The official games list is at https://archipelago.gg/games, but there are also unsupported in-development games that we regularly play.

cold valve Mar 16, 2024, 8:00 PM

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RomLurk

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 8:01 PM

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We play one game every month, so you can pick a game (like Link's Awakening DX), and set it up (I can help you do that!) and you can join our April game

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You can play at your own pace

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And pick your own time, as long as you play about one to five hours a week, and everyone finishes their games by the end of the month

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Right now this is our current game #1119170161518334004 message

cold valve Mar 16, 2024, 8:03 PM

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i could do link's awakening, factorio, undertale, and maybe subnautica out of that list

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 8:03 PM

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Factorio is a bit hard to set up, so probably not that

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IIRC you need to do it in multiplayer and host a server on your device

cold valve Mar 16, 2024, 8:04 PM

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oh, maybe VVVVVV but i'm not great at it

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 8:04 PM

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You could do a Short Hike

weary lagoon Mar 16, 2024, 8:04 PM

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Just play OoT its the only good one

cold valve Mar 16, 2024, 8:05 PM

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no i'm scared of jabu jabu

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 8:05 PM

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I do play OoT every month

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Oh the randomizer cuts the Jabu Jabu cutscene out

cold valve Mar 16, 2024, 8:05 PM

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i actually haven't played it in a long time so i don't remember much about it

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i'm not sure i ever finished the shadow temple on my own

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 8:06 PM

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I played it the first time with Archipelago. Shadow Temple is a pain

fresh hill Mar 16, 2024, 8:06 PM

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I played OoT so long ago that I'm pretty sure I know more about it through osmosis here than from remembering my own playtime

cold valve Mar 16, 2024, 8:06 PM

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but i can actually kinda speedrun link's awakening

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 8:06 PM

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Hell yeah

cold valve Mar 16, 2024, 8:06 PM

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my friend and i did a bingo thing where we had to make a bingo out of various LA stuff

weary lagoon Mar 16, 2024, 8:07 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/ocarina-of-time-the-legend-of-zelda-epona-zelda-nintendo_64-gif-23206995

Tenor

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OoT has a horse and you are a brony

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its a match made in heaven

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 8:07 PM

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I watch the FF1 Randomizer community run Link's Awakening archipelago runs regularly

cold valve Mar 16, 2024, 8:07 PM

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you may know him as one of the OG devs of the LTTP randomizer

fresh hill Mar 16, 2024, 8:07 PM

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oh?

cold valve Mar 16, 2024, 8:07 PM

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Dessyreqt

fresh hill Mar 16, 2024, 8:07 PM

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nope

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 8:07 PM

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Oh, Berserker also worked on the lttp randomizer and he's the lead dev for archipelago

fresh hill Mar 16, 2024, 8:08 PM

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granted the LttP rando community is a bit fractured after one of them turned into Archipelago, I only know some names on the AP side

weary lagoon Mar 16, 2024, 8:08 PM

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Yeah i've heard there was BIG DRAMA

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let's save that for Drama Tuesday

cold valve Mar 16, 2024, 8:09 PM

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the LttP randomizer is to my friend what izzy moonbot is to me

fresh hill Mar 16, 2024, 8:09 PM

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I don't know enough to make a fun story out of it anyway

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 8:09 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fbBKf47Tgo

YouTube

Final Fantasy Randomizer

Final Fantasy Randomizer x Link's Awakening DX Randomizer Archipela...

Race Date: July , 2023

Play the randomizer here: https://www.finalfantasyrandomizer.com

Join the FFR discord here: https://discord.gg/finalfantasyrandomizer

Join the LADXR discord here: https://discord.com/invite/e68cnq5

Official Final Fantasy Randomizer YouTube Channel: https://youtube.com/c/finalfantasyrandomizer

Watch live at [https:...

▶ Play video

cold valve Mar 16, 2024, 8:09 PM

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anyway, i can do a LA game

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 8:10 PM

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Sounds great!

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Whenever you're free, I would like you to set up a test game for LADX to make sure everything works, then when we start the April game, I'll invite you to play with us

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You will need the setup guide

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https://archipelago.gg/tutorial/Links Awakening DX/setup/en

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Ooh, thanks for Strength

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Ixhat sent Progressive Strength Upgrade to OoTFlitter (Mafia of Cooks - Page: Below Dock)

fresh hill Mar 16, 2024, 8:12 PM

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so that's where it was

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 8:13 PM

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When you've acquired everything in the setup guide, I will make a test game for you, but I'll need your setting YAML file

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https://archipelago.gg/games/Links Awakening DX/player-options

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(I prefer manually editing the template here https://archipelago.gg/static/generated/configs/Links Awakening DX.yaml)

fresh hill Mar 16, 2024, 8:20 PM

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I think I'm only a couple time rifts away from BKing my AHiT

weary lagoon Mar 16, 2024, 8:21 PM

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I was wondering if you had found my Left Slash or Knov's Glasses?

fresh hill Mar 16, 2024, 8:21 PM

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doesn't ring a bell

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you get a piece of heart instead

cold valve Mar 16, 2024, 8:22 PM

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midnight depot https://archipelago.gg/tutorial/Links%20Awakening%20DX/setup/en

ok i will set this up once i'm done parsing homestuck music

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 8:22 PM

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Why does the tracker say I can go to Gerudo Fortress?

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Tracker.of.Time.v4.3.2.x64_lovbjMH0vM.png

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Oh because strength allows me to push the big blocks

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So the path is bolero of fire-> spirit temple -> go out of the hands -> reverse desert.

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Sprintmaster for Ixrec

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Twinrova is phantom ganon, which I can kill

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Wow, phantom ganon sucks at dodging his own attacks

fresh hill Mar 16, 2024, 8:41 PM

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video game bosses often do

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 8:41 PM

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Well this time more than usual

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He had my Terraria hardmode

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Time to fight this guy without double defense

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One hit and I'm dead

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Help https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/884928390421938206/1218664428996792320/EmuHawk_xiUOg8pP9m.png?ex=66087cb1&is=65f607b1&hm=d75612886c07d2af8076dbe64409f6ee801e269fa0ec6bbf106fda049b06e3e4&

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She was in here https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1032716748887179434/1218663983788195850/EmuHawk_P3GZAA6aNQ.png?ex=66087c47&is=65f60747&hm=b7feea9ada9b1502d28d5d6265b16c78b39fb1457288a6ef4d9b307e49b5d55d&

wet field Mar 16, 2024, 8:58 PM

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I will have so many checks to do after I get song of time

wet field Mar 16, 2024, 8:59 PM

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midnight depot She was in here https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1032716748887179434/12186...

How did this happen?

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 8:59 PM

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Thank you for the heart container

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She clipped in while trying to dodge me

wet field Mar 16, 2024, 8:59 PM

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Clever girl...

fresh hill Mar 16, 2024, 9:08 PM

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ok I underestimated how many time rifts I had unlocked

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51% is a fine stopping point for tonight

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 9:08 PM

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I am also done

fresh hill Mar 16, 2024, 9:10 PM

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I still don't appear to have any serious blockers in AHiT; I know I have one chapter still waiting on time pieces, and one level waiting on time stop hat, but otherwise it's possible I can already do everything else

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 9:10 PM

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That's good

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I experimented with removing progression balancing for some of my games but that wasn't a good idea

fresh hill Mar 16, 2024, 9:11 PM

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HK has at least 3-4 regions I could do more in but also large important areas waiting on progression items

wet field Mar 16, 2024, 9:12 PM

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midnight depot I experimented with removing progression balancing for some of my games but that...

I did too lol

fresh hill Mar 16, 2024, 9:13 PM

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oh, is your OoT stuck

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 9:14 PM

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Oh yeah I set all my games to have 10 progression balancing, and they keep getting stuck more than usual

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Kratta and Artiks's hollow knight also has 10 balancing

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I originally did this because Berserker commented it makes no sense to use progression balancing in an async game

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(It does though)

fresh hill Mar 16, 2024, 9:15 PM

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I still don't understand why he said that tbh

wet field Mar 16, 2024, 9:15 PM

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fresh hill oh, is your OoT stuck

I think maybe? I haven't used the entrance rando path calculator thingy yet, but as far as I can tell on my own I'm stuck

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I can't get to Zora's domain without a scale (ironically,) so it's a bit hard to tell if I found all the areas I can yet

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Well, I could also get to it by being an adult, but...

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 9:18 PM

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Oh, no bombs?

wet field Mar 16, 2024, 9:18 PM

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I have bombs

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 9:18 PM

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Then do the chicken waterfall skip!

wet field Mar 16, 2024, 9:18 PM

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Remember I'm doing entrance randomizer

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 9:19 PM

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Oh overworld entrance randomizer

wet field Mar 16, 2024, 9:19 PM

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Yee

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I either need to dive to use the zr -> lw entrance, or be an adult to use the gf -> hw one

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I don't know what the third entrance to it is yet

cold valve Mar 16, 2024, 10:07 PM

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midnight depot (I prefer manually editing the template here https://archipelago.gg/static/gener...

i'm not sure i understand these options

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 10:08 PM

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I will explain

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progression_balancing is a setting that ensures your items don't end up in such a way that others finish their game while you're still waiting for your things. The default option ensures you're always around 50% as fast as the fastest player
accessibility should be locations if you intend to finish the whole game, or minimal if you don't think you'll have a lot of time. (It may still make you do the whole game with minimal)
The options after that should be left empty, because they're just advanced settings we can get to later.

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logic is as the comments explains. It's a setting that decides whether the game should expect you to do difficult tricks or not.

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tradequest and rooster are what it says in the description. I recommend off for tradequest because it sounds like a hassle.

cold valve Mar 16, 2024, 10:15 PM

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do i have a player number?

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 10:15 PM

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No.

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Just change the field to name: Gimbley or something

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experimental_dungeon_shuffle and experimental_entrance_shuffle will make doors lead where they shouldn't. Probably a bad idea to enable it for your first randomizer, but don't worry about the experimental status. I will guarantee a game is generated and possible to complete.

cold valve Mar 16, 2024, 10:18 PM

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looks like the only thing i need to know is about the shuffle of the keys and beaks and stuff

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 10:18 PM

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Okay

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shuffle_nightmare_keys

    # [Original Dungeon] The item will be within its original dungeon
    # [Own Dungeons] The item will be within a dungeon in your world
    # [Own World] The item will be somewhere in your world
    # [Any World] The item could be anywhere
    # [Different World] The item will be somewhere in another world```

cold valve Mar 16, 2024, 10:19 PM

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what i mean is, which one should i do

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 10:19 PM

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Oh

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It's up to you, but if I played LADX I would pick any world

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For everything

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Or different world if I wanted to rely on other people completely

cold valve Mar 16, 2024, 10:20 PM

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that means other people need to find my items right?

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or might hae to

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 10:20 PM

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Yeah, or they could be in your world by chance

cold valve Mar 16, 2024, 10:21 PM

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ok i think i got it all, should i drop it here?

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 10:22 PM

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Yep! Keep a copy on hand too

cold valve Mar 16, 2024, 10:22 PM

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📎 Links_Awakening_DX.yaml

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 10:22 PM

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Awesome

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I'm going to generate a test game

cold valve Mar 16, 2024, 10:25 PM

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fuck i hit the ps4 button on my controller when i dropped it and now steam is in big mode and i can't escape it

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oh i found it

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 10:26 PM

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It's super annoying when that happens

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Hitting the button only takes you to big picture mode if steam is in focus

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I think you can change it so it never does that, but I haven't bothered

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It's taking longer than usual

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Oh there we are

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Apparently I need a copy of your ROM

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Bam

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And a game is generated

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I will host it on archipelago.gg

wet field Mar 16, 2024, 10:36 PM

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Dr. Rom

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 10:36 PM

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Here! https://archipelago.gg/room/bZ9YZmjuTD6dtBXJRo5Nxw

Archipelago

Multiworld bZ9YZmjuTD6dtBXJRo5Nxw

2 Players Multiworld
running on archipelago.gg with port 63152

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You can use this room to test and see if sending and receiving work. I included an extra game to also give you an example of how other worlds can have items

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And here is the spoiler log

📎 message.txt

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You can start playing by downloading the patch file, applying the patch to a copy of your ROM

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Oh wait

cold valve Mar 16, 2024, 10:38 PM

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cool i got it open and playing

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 10:38 PM

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Open and playing is one thing

lament tusk Mar 16, 2024, 10:38 PM

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Wait arecwe starting a new rando?

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 10:38 PM

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You now have to connect it to archipelago

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 10:38 PM

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lament tusk Wait arecwe starting a new rando?

No this is for April

lament tusk Mar 16, 2024, 10:39 PM

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Oh ok

cold valve Mar 16, 2024, 10:39 PM

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how do i connect

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 10:39 PM

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Uh

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Let's refer to the setup guide

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https://archipelago.gg/tutorial/Links Awakening DX/setup/en#retroarch-1.10.3-or-newer

cold valve Mar 16, 2024, 10:40 PM

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is this it?

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 10:40 PM

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Depends on the client

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Yes and no

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Connection goes like this: Emulator <-> Client <-> Archipelago.GG

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So your client is connected to the server but not to the emulator

cold valve Mar 16, 2024, 10:41 PM

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oh there was more info on the setup page

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ok i think i'm connected

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 10:47 PM

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Ah!

cold valve Mar 16, 2024, 10:47 PM

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well this is different lol

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 10:47 PM

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Now you should send at least one item to see if it works properly

lament tusk Mar 16, 2024, 10:47 PM

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The rando cuts out a lot of the cutscenes and story

cold valve Mar 16, 2024, 10:47 PM

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he gave me an ocarina

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useful

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 10:48 PM

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[root at 2024-03-16 22:47:38,892]: (Team #1) DrRomulus sent Ocarina to DrRomulus (Tarin's Gift (Mabe Village))

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Excellent work

shy oyster Mar 16, 2024, 10:48 PM

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cold valve well this is different lol

thanks Marin rdsnrk

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 10:49 PM

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Now you're ready to join us if you want to. We'll start after we finish the current game, around April 1st (maybe a little earlier or later as circumstances allow)

shy oyster Mar 16, 2024, 10:49 PM

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April Fools

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 10:50 PM

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If you want, I can generate you another practice game where you're the only player, with one or two instances of LADX so you can fool around. (but that shouldn't be necessary, and you can do it yourself if you want)

cold valve Mar 16, 2024, 10:50 PM

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i think i'm fine

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 10:50 PM

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Wonderful

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I'd be very happy to play with you

cold valve Mar 16, 2024, 10:50 PM

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in this instance i would have to wait for you to find my shield or sword right?

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there's a letter on the beach where the sword would be but i can't get there because i can't kill or push enemies

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and i don't think any other item is accessible yet

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 10:51 PM

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The spoiler log has a playthrough file. It's how Archipelago guarantees a game is possible to complete

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This is what it says

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0: {
  Observation Tower (RCTFlitter)
}
1: {
  Tarin's Gift (Mabe Village) (DrRomulus): Ocarina (DrRomulus)
  OpenRCT2_0 (RCTFlitter): 50 Rupees (DrRomulus)
  OpenRCT2_2 (RCTFlitter): 50 Rupees (DrRomulus)
  OpenRCT2_4 (RCTFlitter): 50 Rupees (DrRomulus)
  OpenRCT2_5 (RCTFlitter): Progressive Sword (DrRomulus)
  OpenRCT2_6 (RCTFlitter): 20 Rupees (DrRomulus)
}```

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So I start with the observation tower, and use it to find you a bunch of rupees and a sword

cold valve Mar 16, 2024, 10:52 PM

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ah ok, and with the sword i can do a ton of stuff from there

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 10:52 PM

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Full playthrough

📎 message.txt

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(ft. bullshit room)

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This playthrough has 24 spheres, each requiring the items in the ones before it

cold valve Mar 16, 2024, 10:55 PM

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oh god all the keys for key cavern

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this will be fun, i'm looking forward to it!

fresh hill Mar 16, 2024, 10:55 PM

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one of us, one of us

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 10:55 PM

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If you set them to Own Dungeon they'll be less annoying

cold valve Mar 16, 2024, 10:55 PM

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0\

fresh hill Mar 16, 2024, 10:55 PM

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~~and you already know C# so you could get in as deep as I did~~

cold valve Mar 16, 2024, 10:56 PM

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po\ppp[

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 10:56 PM

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Ocarina of Time has an option that makes all small keys of one dungeon as one check

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Oh no Dr. Romulus's spirit has been possessed by a cat

cold valve Mar 16, 2024, 10:56 PM

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eh, i'd rather have fun getting other items where those keys are

fresh hill Mar 16, 2024, 10:56 PM

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my one time playing LttP made me really want small key rings for that game lol

cold valve Mar 16, 2024, 10:56 PM

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no i dropped my controller again

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it's wired so i keep catching the wire on things

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 10:57 PM

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Oh mine is wireless because it somehow has worse input lag when wired

cold valve Mar 16, 2024, 10:57 PM

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mine is just a regular ps4 controller

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 10:57 PM

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Same

cold valve Mar 16, 2024, 10:58 PM

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i plug it in so i don't have to charge it or connect wirelessly

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 10:58 PM

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It works great over bluetooth even with a cheapo dongle

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What the key ring option does is it removes all but one key from your game, replacing them with other checks, and that one key will contain every key at once.

lament tusk Mar 16, 2024, 10:59 PM

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Heh
Dongle

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 10:59 PM

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That way, you don't experience frustration from having rooms unlocked one by one

lament tusk Mar 16, 2024, 10:59 PM

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Personally I think that's part of the rando experience

fresh hill Mar 16, 2024, 10:59 PM

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to a point, yeah

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 11:00 PM

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I do not want to return to the same dungeon nine times

fresh hill Mar 16, 2024, 11:00 PM

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LttP's Ice Palace and Turtle Rock were a frustrating extreme of it since you can't get back to the bottom floors without basically redoing the entire dungeon, there are no shortcuts

lament tusk Mar 16, 2024, 11:00 PM

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It's just personal preference

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 11:00 PM

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I want to return to it four times at most

shy oyster Mar 16, 2024, 11:00 PM

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fuck LttP's Ice Palace

cold valve Mar 16, 2024, 11:00 PM

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well i'll do this run and see how i feel about the keys

shy oyster Mar 16, 2024, 11:00 PM

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only good thing about it is the blue tunic

fresh hill Mar 16, 2024, 11:00 PM

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for a more modern Zelda with more shortcuts and warps and such I might prefer separate small keys

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 11:00 PM

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Sure!

fresh hill Mar 16, 2024, 11:01 PM

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on my vanilla LttP playthrough I really enjoyed Ice Palace

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it just doesn't work when you have to repeat ALL of it 3+ times

shy oyster Mar 16, 2024, 11:01 PM

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it's my least favourite LttP dungeon i think

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i dont like ice physics

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annoying

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mad

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 11:02 PM

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Same

cold valve Mar 16, 2024, 11:02 PM

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i don't know if you want to continue to practice game or not but i'm stuck unless you get the things

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 11:02 PM

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That's why I was so happy when I found the glitch in Crystal Project where you can high jump and skip all the ice block puzzles

cold valve Mar 16, 2024, 11:02 PM

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i imagine most of LA plays are gonna start that way

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 11:03 PM

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cold valve i don't know if you want to continue to practice game or not but i'm stuck unles...

I will get your stuff tomorrow, because it's 2AM now

shy oyster Mar 16, 2024, 11:03 PM

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i should do my yearly replay of Link's Awakening soon

lament tusk Mar 16, 2024, 11:03 PM

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If you want to solo check things l, I'd run a game with just your game in it

cold valve Mar 16, 2024, 11:03 PM

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midnight depot I will get your stuff tomorrow, because it's 2AM now

cool beans!

fresh hill Mar 16, 2024, 11:03 PM

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yeah, a lot of randos have a small sphere 1 and even options to avoid getting stuck there too early (most famously in Archipelago: Super Metroid's early morph ball option)

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 11:04 PM

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OoT has open Kokiri forest

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I like to do closed and break out anyway

fresh hill Mar 16, 2024, 11:04 PM

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makes sense

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does ER let you go other places before "escaping" the forest the normal way?

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 11:05 PM

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Overworld entrance randomizer does, but only a madman would use that setting

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Technically deku tree could randomize into spirit temple and that too would also allow you to break out

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Otherwise, you need bombs or glitches to break out

fresh hill Mar 16, 2024, 11:06 PM

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gotcha

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I think Tunic's ER would be the equivalent of that "Overworld ER"

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I know Ender Lilies was trying to go full ER as well but I forget if that properly released; will have to check when I next play EL for this

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but now that my own mod is in a stable if boring place I might try to bring some new-to-me games for April

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 11:08 PM

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Dungeon ER is easy and fun. You just make a list of which dungeons have been swapped with which

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With overworld ER you shuffle grottos among each other, buildings among each other, and other entrances among each other

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It explodes in terms of traversal graph complexity

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The overworld of OoT is pretty simple normally. You can't get lost because it's a hub and spoke graph

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(with the exception of lost woods which leads in four directions)

fresh hill Mar 16, 2024, 11:19 PM

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yep, Tunic ER was very much taking notes to figure out the overall graph shape

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AHiT on act rando: insanity is a nice middle ground where you can get complex deep nesting but there's still a central hub no matter what so the actual insanity is only the long tail kind

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 11:22 PM

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That sounds fun

fresh hill Mar 16, 2024, 11:25 PM

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at least for me it's fun enough to be worth making the tracker useless

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(the modded compass badge is good enough)

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 11:26 PM

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What does that do?

fresh hill Mar 16, 2024, 11:27 PM

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in the vanilla game, the compass badge makes a red arrow appear over your head whenever there's an uncollected Relic in the current level

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in the modded game, the compass badge arrow points at any logically reachable location in the level

fresh hill Mar 16, 2024, 11:27 PM

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fresh hill this stupid not-invisible-but-might-as-well-be chest

example

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 11:28 PM

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Oh smart

fresh hill Mar 16, 2024, 11:28 PM

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so it can't tell me if I'm missing a whole level somewhere, but it does make clearing out a level once I'm in it very straightforward without any external trackers

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 11:28 PM

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They'd have to have the coordinates of every check in order to make it

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Or the game could have that, I guess

fresh hill Mar 16, 2024, 11:29 PM

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yeah, I assume this was only possible because the vanilla game already did it for relics

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it even has options:

  StartWithCompassBadge:
    # If enabled, start with the Compass Badge. In Archipelago, the Compass Badge will track all items in the world
    # (instead of just Relics). Recommended if you're not familiar with where item locations are.
    false: 0
    true: 50

  CompassBadgeMode:
    # closest - Compass Badge points to the closest item regardless of classification
    # important_only - Compass Badge points to progression/useful items only
    # important_first - Compass Badge points to progression/useful items first, then it will point to junk items
    closest: 50
    important_only: 0
    important_first: 0

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the reason I do

  start_inventory:
    Badge Pin: 2

is so I can have compass and (once found) hookshot badge equipped forever, and the choice of one "extra" badge, since none of the other badges come close to being as useful as those two, and you'd be constantly manually swapping between the two if you got them before your 2nd pin

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 11:37 PM

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Important first is more work than I would've bothered to implement

fresh hill Mar 16, 2024, 11:37 PM

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lol

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I believe I tried that setting in my first AHiT rando and concluded that closest is a better fit for me, since I generally want to "full clear" an area as soon as I get access to it

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 11:39 PM

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If you do important only, what's the downside to getting all the important checks in an area then just leaving the junk there?

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Other than for completionism which I totally get

fresh hill Mar 16, 2024, 11:39 PM

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none that I'm aware of

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but yes I tend towards completionism in randos

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maybe if I was doing more solo multiworlds I'd be more inclined to use options like that and skip filler checks

wet field Mar 16, 2024, 11:50 PM

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midnight depot With overworld ER you shuffle grottos among each other, buildings among each oth...

Wait no those are separate ER settings. Overworld ER just shuffles the named area entrances, like Hyrule field, Kokiri forest, etc

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Shuffling literally every overworld entrance would be too much for me

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 11:52 PM

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Oh I must have mixed them up

wet field Mar 16, 2024, 11:54 PM

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Yeah you were thinking of shuffle_interior_entrances and shuffle_grotto_entrances

fresh hill Mar 16, 2024, 11:55 PM

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I guess AHiT technically has interiors with no option to shuffle them

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most of them wouldn't make any sense to shuffle though, e.g. the train cars in Rush Hour kinda have to all stay in the same level or nothing works, although I suppose you could reorder them

midnight depot Mar 16, 2024, 11:59 PM

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What about the external parts in Rush Hour?

fresh hill Mar 17, 2024, 12:00 AM

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I mean, the whole point of Rush Hour is it's a timed level, you can't take any of its parts out of that level and have it still function

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well, maybe functional in a technical sense, but not a good level

midnight depot Mar 17, 2024, 12:02 AM

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In OoT the daytime timer only runs in certain screens, and entrance randomizer can mess with that so much

wet field Mar 17, 2024, 12:03 AM

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Yeah, it can make the market entrance drawbridge a real problem

fresh hill Mar 17, 2024, 12:04 AM

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I think part of it is that in AHiT all the true "interior" areas separated by proper portals are so tiny, and the game often so nyoom, that you spend literally <10 seconds in most of them, so any way I imagine trying to shuffle them just seems more confusing than fun

wet field Mar 17, 2024, 12:07 AM

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tbh interior ER in oot sounds like eating glass to me

midnight depot Mar 17, 2024, 12:09 AM

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Absolutely

fresh hill Mar 17, 2024, 12:10 AM

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I've heard "door rando" within dungeons is a thing in LttP, but yeah I don't think that's viable in most other Zeldas

wet field Mar 17, 2024, 12:11 AM

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That sounds horrible in a kinda fun way

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@shy oyster what was it you said my next character is gonna be named? I already forgot

shy oyster Mar 17, 2024, 12:20 AM

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Gerald

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but lowercase g

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gerald

wet field Mar 17, 2024, 12:26 AM

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g

shy oyster Mar 17, 2024, 12:27 AM

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this is such a deep cut

wet field Mar 17, 2024, 12:27 AM

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iykyk

cold valve Mar 17, 2024, 12:49 AM

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door rando is a thing in LA, lots of single-room intereiors to shuffle

weary lagoon Mar 17, 2024, 10:27 AM

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@fresh hill

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and @wet field

fresh hill Mar 17, 2024, 11:33 AM

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the one part of crossroads I didn’t do

midnight depot Mar 17, 2024, 2:26 PM

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midnight depot Here! https://archipelago.gg/room/bZ9YZmjuTD6dtBXJRo5Nxw

midnight depot Mar 17, 2024, 3:45 PM

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Hi, @cold valve. I couldn't get the game working. I contacted the developer, but until he responds, I used admin commands to send you a sword

fresh hill Mar 17, 2024, 3:58 PM

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wow, charm cost rando went easy on me

midnight depot Mar 17, 2024, 4:01 PM

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I always set charm cost rando to 45 or less

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I have more fun that way

fresh hill Mar 17, 2024, 4:03 PM

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oh right my crossroads is infected now

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