#Archipelago Multiworld Multi-game Randomizer

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weary lagoon
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leaf hype

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wonder if someone found the grappling hook yet

midnight depot
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Ruto's Letter!

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That's a bottle and an area for me

wet field
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I know I will need the doll and the basin of vows to beat the game

weary lagoon
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@fierce vale

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thats it for OoT

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notable items to progress are chicken and bomb bag

midnight depot
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You should hint for chicken

weary lagoon
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it might be sphere 0 in WW

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WW is so open..

midnight depot
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Jabu Jabu leads to Jabu Jabu

wet field
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How immersive

midnight depot
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Took me like twenty tries to get the Jabu Jabu entry bomb throw right

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So thankful for the bomb bag from Artiks

weary lagoon
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๐Ÿ˜„

midnight depot
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Holy shit, if you backstep through death mountain the rocks miss you

ancient harness
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ol tech

midnight depot
ancient harness
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hehe

weary lagoon
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day 1 and you have longshot cmon

midnight depot
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I don't have longshot until I have the ocarina and song of time

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Unless I feel like doing the door of time skip

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Bow for Artiks

weary lagoon
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thank you

midnight depot
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That's enough for today

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I'm just short of having enough to hint for Doom's backpack

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Oh wait, it just needed to update with the latest check

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@fierce vale [Hint]: FlitterDoom's Backpack is at Spore_Shroom in ChipKnight's World. (not found)

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Backpack doubles my ammo capacity and makes it easier to use my weapons, so it's kind of a high priority item for Doom

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Given that I'm mainly walled by difficulty

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Thanks for playing with me. I'm having a lot of fun. By check count we are 10% of the way done, and that means we are ahead of the three week estimate.

midnight depot
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KING_DODONGO_BONKS:
    ; One Bonk KO setting enabled
    lh      t0, CFG_BONK_DAMAGE
    addiu   t2, $zero, 0xFFFE
    bne     t0, t2, @@return_bonk_kd
    nop

    ; Set King Dodongo health to zero
    lh      t1, 0x0198(s0)          ; this->numWallCollisions
    beqz    t1, @@return_bonk_kd
    nop
    sh      $zero, 0x0184(s0)       ; this->health

@@return_bonk_kd:
    ; displaced code
    lh      t2, 0x0032(s1)
    mtc1    $zero, $f16
    jr      ra
    nop
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King Dodongo code that makes it so when the setting that instantly kills link when he collided with a wall while rolling is enabled, King Dodongo also dies upon bonking a wall

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So with OHKO bonk mode on, king Dodongo can be beaten without items

weary lagoon
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Let's see if I can manage to run WW

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A lot of songs already

midnight depot
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Plants Vs. Zombies ass screen

weary lagoon
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one thing to do everywhere ppenk

ancient harness
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So much room for activities!

weary lagoon
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I got both of tingles gifts but only one showed up in the log

midnight depot
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That's odd

fresh hill
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is it possible the second gift just isn't randomized?

weary lagoon
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maybe but its in the archipelago fork of the tracker

midnight depot
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I will look it up in the log and if it's important and the person who has it didn't get it I'll just send it to them

midnight depot
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It is a map for doom. I'll have to check another time if I received it

weary lagoon
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some nice items for flitteroot on these islands

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banger after banger after banger

midnight depot
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Boomerang, wallet, Greg

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I need those

weary lagoon
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heres how it looks in the websites item tracker for our room so its probably a bug

midnight depot
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I'm going to report it to the wind waker thread

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(when I'm at my computer)

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I found this explanation of the 0-99 progression balancing that makes a lot of sense and is not intuitive

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    For example: With the default of 50%, if the furthest player can access 40% of their items, the randomizer tries to let you access at least 20% of your items. 50% of 40% is 20%.
    Note that it is not always guaranteed that it will be able to bring you up to this threshold.```
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So with progression balancing at 99 you'll likely always be first or second in progress, while at 0 you'll often be last

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Which means you can set it to 0 if you want to make it so people wait for you to find their stuff least often, at the cost of you not getting to play as much

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And setting it to 99 ensures you get all your keys as soon as possible

weary lagoon
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50 is good we play this to collab

midnight depot
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But what would happen if we set it all to 0?

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It'll try to shuffle all progression items as late as possible

weary lagoon
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I think ootmm was a great example of no progression balancing

midnight depot
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Yeah, it really could have used some

fresh hill
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oh I have a sword now

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I was kinda hoping to get one of the other weapons first for once

weary lagoon
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yeah I was really thinking I would find your bombs on bomb island not your sword

fresh hill
midnight depot
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What if I set it to 1?

fresh hill
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similar to how accessibility: minimal won't actively lock any items, it just removes the guarantee that : items provides

midnight depot
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makes sense

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You could make it so you don't Get your sword until a point in the game that requires other weapons

fresh hill
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that's a completely different thing lol

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my impression is that turning off prog balancing is only really a good idea for a solo multiworld; with others it's just asking for someone to get an excessive amount of BK mode

midnight depot
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No I was having two discussions at once

fresh hill
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oh

midnight depot
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This is something I'm known to do โ€” jump from conversation to conversation without making it clear which one I'm replying to. Sorry

fresh hill
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np

weary lagoon
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good start to the day

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we ave both longshots already lol

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oh no this is my WW hookshot lmao

weary lagoon
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@midnight depot do you need this? its a very stupid rng game

midnight depot
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No clue

weary lagoon
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did you do something

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this just popped up when I entered a dungeon

midnight depot
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Did not

weary lagoon
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its the missing check from yesterday

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I guess I can cheese sploosh kaboom with save states

midnight depot
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Ah, well good

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I can tell you if I actually need the yellow skull key later when I know the map more

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It's been a few years since I played it

weary lagoon
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I cheated

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Wind Waker in BK now

midnight depot
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Nice work

weary lagoon
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No chicken!

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thanks for bombs and rutos letter

midnight depot
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How convenient. That's what I got

weary lagoon
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I was excited to clear all of dodongos cavern but its the shadow temple

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When I die the heroic music from saving Epona plays

midnight depot
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What happens when you get the heroic scene then?

weary lagoon
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who knows I have skip epona race on

weary lagoon
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Jabu Jabu is the dekuuu tree

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the secret code is 2 3 1

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First dungeon down!!

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Deku Tree is Dodongos

midnight depot
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Good work

weary lagoon
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theres my scale now I feel better about chicken clipping into zoras domain 30 minutes ago

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Fume Ultra Greatsword has to be the best weapon

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2nd dungeon down!!!

midnight depot
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Fume ultra greatsword is in fact the best weapon

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Best in class for ultra greatswords

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I'm playing OoT. Barinade is Queen Gohma

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Thanks for hover boots

weary lagoon
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you shuffled bosses?

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I found the skull hammer this is huge for my WW game

midnight depot
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I did shuffle bosses!

weary lagoon
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I need chicken in Ocarina and Grappling Hook in Wind Waker

midnight depot
weary lagoon
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I do that with the slingshot

midnight depot
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Yes but I have no slingshot and I made it so the game can expect me to do it with a bombchu

weary lagoon
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holy moly

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thanks for the triforce shard

midnight depot
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You're welcome

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I also got chip another small key

weary lagoon
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are rancid eggs important in the randomizer

fresh hill
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depends on chip's settings

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I know flitter and I have usually played with costsanity settings where multiple shop items are locked on rancid eggs

midnight depot
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I usually make them important but

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Yeah in this case there's a small chance items cost one to ten rancid eggs

weary lagoon
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my goron shop had one for just 225 rupees

midnight depot
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Not worth it

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Today I learned you can just jump slash here

fierce vale
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the highest cost ive seen so far is, i dont think it was an important item though

midnight depot
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Is green chu jelly any good? Is it like a green potion?

weary lagoon
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its an enemy drop

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I need 15 for a check

midnight depot
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Well you're not getting this one until the end

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[Hint]: FlitterOoT's Ocarina is at Monster Condo (MAP27) - Supercharge 3 in FlitterDoom's World. (not found)
@midnight depot

weary lagoon
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they drop from enemies so i dont need it

midnight depot
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Yeah but what if you don't want to fight enemies

midnight depot
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This guy is the Pokemon X ending dude

weary lagoon
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its been 3000 years

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this is Thorfinn he looks a little messed up because a big viking guy punched him in the face 100 times

weary lagoon
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@midnight depot I was wondering if you could grab this for me

midnight depot
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Ganon's Castle Lobby

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Gonna need to be adult Link first

weary lagoon
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right right

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whats your rainbow bridge requirement

midnight depot
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Vanilla

weary lagoon
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all medallions I see I see

midnight depot
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I already have two

weary lagoon
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I wish the hint system picked the first progressive sword in the spoiler log playthrough instead of a random one

midnight depot
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Want me to look for the first one?

weary lagoon
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no its okay

midnight depot
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Did you get any sword upgrades before?

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You did not

weary lagoon
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yes im swordless

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just did a big 10 min fight vs 2 iron knuckles swordless

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it dropped an Astora Greatsword so it was worth

midnight depot
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Hell yeah

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Astora Greatsword is the best sword before Vordt, I think

weary lagoon
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another 10 min fight

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thats enough swordless ww

midnight depot
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Hi. Let's play Doom

weary lagoon
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any good loot?

midnight depot
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No, Doom's hard so I'm only doing a little at a time

weary lagoon
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But I got you the best weapon in the game!

midnight depot
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Yeah you did

midnight depot
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That's enough doom

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I got Ixrec's key, flask shard, and ixrec legend

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For me I got Song of Time

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Cell key for Kratta

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That's BK mode for me

weary lagoon
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song of time thats giga

midnight depot
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When I have an Ocarina, at least

wet field
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@midnight depot I accidentally picked up the Brigand Axe before connecting. Is there a way to see what item was supposed to be in that location?

fierce vale
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are you sure brigand axe is meant to be in that space?

wet field
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yeah

midnight depot
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I can look at the log and tell you

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First I can check the public log

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It looks like you sent five brigand items but not the axe

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In place of the bring axe there was supposed to be ||a heart piece for me.||
So it's a trivial item you should not sweat.

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I'll just manually send it if I remember

wet field
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cool

midnight depot
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If this happens and an admin is not present you can also start a new game and connect using the same player name, then find the brigand axe again.

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Some games automatically check your save and send missing items, but some are hacky and require resending in the above method

fresh hill
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double-checking the save file in my own mod is on my todo list, I've seen glitchiness too many times not to prioritize it ponee

fresh hill
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speaking of which I should probably stop fiddling with wormhole code and play my fox game

wet field
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@midnight depot I did it again with the Watchdogs of Farron Covenant izzynothoughtsheadempty

weary lagoon
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Good morning

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looks like I havent gotten any new items

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Maybe Chip will find me a sword today

fierce vale
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CattoCry bestie, i'm sorry to tell you, you didn't get this for me someone else did i think

midnight depot
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While I was generating I considered rolling random games until left crystal dash was in Artiks's world but I ended up deciding against it

weary lagoon
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well I got both your mantis claws..

fresh hill
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you also could've plando'd it there sonatathink

midnight depot
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Hi

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FK: Watchdogs of Farron (kratta): Just junk don't worry about it (FlitterDoom)

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[root at 2023-12-03 18:40:51,235]: (Team #1) kratta sent Piece of Heart to FlitterOoT (RS: Brigand Axe)

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I have sent that Brigand Axe for you

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Time to play some videogames before bedtime. I'll start with OoT

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Water temple boss key, compass, mirror shield, pieces of heart. Thanks!

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Only two new checks for now

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Today I learned for Bombchu bowling you have to do both games in one go

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Otherwise you start from zero

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Time to struggle with doom

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Is there an automated tracker for it?

fresh hill
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deku shield is a filler item?

midnight depot
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There is a guaranteed deku shield shop

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Deku shield is only essential before you can exit the starting area

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(And before you have a wallet big enough to buy it)

fresh hill
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makes sense

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that sounds good

midnight depot
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A chainsaw is not actually very useful in doom on account of you often fight ranged enemies

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It is the same damage per round as berserk, but pulls you closer to enemies which can be dangerous

fresh hill
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ok, that's bottom of the well as clear as it can get

midnight depot
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Against some melee-only enemies, the chainsaw is good because it stuns them

weary lagoon
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let me know if you find my chicken or grappling hook

midnight depot
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Will do

fresh hill
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I like the hermit crab that just found a cube of unobtanium to wear

midnight depot
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What's the tuning fork to the east?

fresh hill
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there are tuning forks all over the overworld, but their purpose is probably a spoiler

midnight depot
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Okay

fresh hill
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||they're grapple points||

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oh hey I found an entrance to east forest

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that's a whole bunch more checks incoming

midnight depot
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Excellent

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Find me a backpack, BFG and rocket launcher

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I should probably have went with a lower difficulty

ancient harness
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Disappointed

midnight depot
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I'm not very good at FPS games

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Ah, bottle for me, Paladin's Ashes for Kratta

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Thanks for the red key. Here's your questagon

fresh hill
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another questagon hint

midnight depot
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Resting grounds catacombs

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Should be accessible with lantern or down spell

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Regal weasel

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That's not an item. That's just a guy

weary lagoon
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thanks to whoever got me wind waker bombs

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thats pretty huge

midnight depot
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Ixrec

ancient harness
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nay, enormous

weary lagoon
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Not only is it bombs

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it gives my boat a cannon

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apparently I can do everything in forsaken fortress except phantom ganon

midnight depot
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Yeah you have to have some fries for him

fresh hill
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zelda tropes within zelda tropes

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@wet field I'm guessing not a big deal?

midnight depot
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Archdeacon white crown is a fashion souls essential

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But it's not useful otherwise

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It's a pope hat!

weary lagoon
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hm

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I dont have bombs in my game

midnight depot
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Did you not get a bomb bag?

weary lagoon
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Maybe its not progressive in this alpha and I need the original bomb bag

midnight depot
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Makes sense. The other items say "Progressive"

weary lagoon
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unfortunate

fresh hill
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finally found the shop again

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enjoy your map

midnight depot
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Underhalls!

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The MyHouse.Wad map

weary lagoon
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oh

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well then

fresh hill
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so... I might have implied I was getting it too easy having the sword first

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just found how to reach this guy with basic sword, one ranged magic attack, no shield, only one healing flask, etc; so this will actually be harder than vanilla by quite a bit

midnight depot
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Good luck

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Dead Simple is such a fun and easy map

fresh hill
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hm, yeah I need a bit more stuff to pull this off

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I'm at... 26%? yeah that's a good stopping point

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I think I explored most of the entrance network I have access to

midnight depot
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Spell twister!

midnight depot
fresh hill
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oh I'm taking notes

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for a solo multiworld or maybe a sync I might try to keep it in my head, but async? not a chance

midnight depot
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Bottle for WW

midnight depot
fresh hill
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because I'm gonna forget everything after not playing it for a few days

midnight depot
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Oh, right

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Usually I play every day

fresh hill
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ah, for me it never ends up that evenly spaced

midnight depot
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The entrance randomizer should make each entrance a check and automatically construct a list of known ones

fresh hill
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either there's enough other stuff I want to do one day that I just don't touch it, or I play it "too much" and am BK'd for a few days

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oh I think that was my 5th questagon

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that means I should have one of the key abilities for next session, even if I'm not ready for the boss

midnight depot
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Nice

fresh hill
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normally Tunic rando has 3 progression abilities locked behind getting certain manual pages, but in "Questagon Hunt" mode (which I figured was ideal for ER) you get them at 5, 10 and 15 questagons instead (when 20 is the goal)

midnight depot
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Oh, I thought you just had the default ones

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Nocturne of Shadows

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At this rate I will find every song before my ocarina

midnight depot
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Okay

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After throwing myself at the wall repeatedly, Doom is finally in BK mode

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Oh and since I have more checks in Doom I should hint for what'll get me the ocarina

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[Hint]: FlitterDoom's Monster Condo (MAP27) is at FSBT: Fire Keeper Gloves in kratta's World. (not found) @wet field

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Can't finish the game without getting this

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Or actually, maybe we could find the other Ocarina

fresh hill
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๐Ÿ‘€

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I never get early fox gun

fresh hill
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I think I'm gonna take my gun to the swamp

midnight depot
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What are you gonna shoot? Baobab trees? Crocodiles? Puddles?

fresh hill
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ghosts and skeletons mostly

midnight depot
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What sort of gun is it anyway?

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Oh

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The Streets of Rogue gun

fresh hill
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oooh that last flask shard got me to 2 flasks

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I feel like a blunderbuss would be the best description of this specific gun

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especially since I only get 3 shots at my current magic level

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ok the swamp is still a nightmare (on enemy rando)

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WELL THAT CHANGES THINGS starlightstare

midnight depot
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I have no idea what I'm looking at

fresh hill
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||it changes my dodge roll into a short-range teleport, the last major late-game item||

midnight depot
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Oh that's what that looks like

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I like the Axiom Verge version

fresh hill
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oh hey your Ocarina was hiding back here

midnight depot
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Oh

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Better warn Kratta not to spend too much effort trying to get that tower key

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I only need one Ocarina to finish the game

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(the second ocarina only unlocks one or two checks)

fresh hill
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now that is the true soulslike experience

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I survive for 20 minutes on no health and get nearly every available check in this area, only for this armored guy 10x my size to chop me in half through a solid wall right as I was escaping

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still, 31% now

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I'll get a few easy overworld items with my new upgrade and then call it a night

midnight depot
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Good work

fresh hill
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niiiice

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did I say "a few easy items"? now I'm finding new entrances leading to hype rooms with a LOT of easy items

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ok, that is the perfect time to end the session: giant skeleton fox shop vendor decided his once-in-a-lifetime special sale item was an ice trap

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36%

weary lagoon
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Hello

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any exciting finds the last 24 hours?

ancient harness
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I found some games on Steam I'm interested in

weary lagoon
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looks like someone found the biggest item in Wind Waker

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the grappling hook

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thats a good 30 new checks at least

ancient harness
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Holy

weary lagoon
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wonder where it was

midnight depot
midnight depot
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It was the sellsword helm

ancient harness
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Time to Morp, Jagged Alliance, Boltgun, Diplomacy is not an option

midnight depot
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I instantly dismissed the first one because I assumed it was a cheap cash grab

ancient harness
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Very fair

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It looked interesting but it won't be out for a while

midnight depot
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Jagged Alliance is an XCOM style tactical strategy? I thought it was a random FPS so I never paid attention to it either.

ancient harness
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It looked like Commandos, I'm not sure

midnight depot
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Boltgun I have no interest in, but Diplomacy is Not an Option is something I'd like to see develop

ancient harness
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All four I just put in my wishlist to look at later

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Yeah I mean Boltgun is just gonna be modern Doom 2 or something but that's enough for me

midnight depot
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Today I learned only the admin has access to the archipelago log

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I should probably post the log somewhere then

fresh hill
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yep, in general server commands/information that go beyond who found what items are admin-only

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commands + the log might be the full list though, I'm not sure if there is anything else of interest

midnight depot
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No, just the log is also inaccessible

fresh hill
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makes sense

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would be nice if it was only the commands being restricted

midnight depot
weary lagoon
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time to salvage treasure from the ocean

midnight depot
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Hi. Here's the log as of right now

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Non-admins being unable to see the log explains why nobody noticed earlier when one of the players tried to give themselves an item.

weary lagoon
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was it me

midnight depot
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I'll never tell

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And since it was in a previous game you'll never find out

weary lagoon
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about to open the chest for the hardest cave in the game

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SWORDLESS STILL

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Ivy x3!!!

midnight depot
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I'd better find your sword

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Let's see if I have more checks to do in OoT

weary lagoon
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i should probably be playing that game..

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has anyone found my chicken in the log?

midnight depot
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What's the chicken called again?

weary lagoon
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Chicken

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or weird egg?

midnight depot
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Weird Egg

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not yet

weary lagoon
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alright still a dead game

midnight depot
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Thanks for silver scale, farore's wind, nocturne of shadows, water temple key ring, spirit temple boss key, my first ocarina, compasses and skulltula tokens

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I'm at 31 tokens. Only 20 more and I can beat the game

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Okay, so I have five songs. Song of time and Saria's song

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Which means I can be adult link

weary lagoon
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found your ocarina?

fierce vale
midnight depot
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Yes!

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My three warp songs take me to death mountain trail, market, and lon lon ranch

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Complete garbage warps as usual

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However the map looks great

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I really thought I got a megaton hammer earlier

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Oh and Adult Link spawns at Zora river instead of temple of time

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Ooh, Unbreakable heart for chip

weary lagoon
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first wind waker dungeon down

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feels a lot less good than in oot because you arent given a boss item

midnight depot
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Aww

weary lagoon
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thanks for the bos

midnight depot
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Bow to Wind Waker

weary lagoon
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ye I meant bow

midnight depot
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Thanks for interrupting my Dampe race with an ice trap

weary lagoon
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get trappd

midnight depot
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and I had your items behind the race too

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Deep focus for chip, ring of steel protection for kratta

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Need two more wallets to get it

weary lagoon
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thats expensive

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I hope this isnt required because its the worst side quest in the world

midnight depot
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You should take the time and make it a junk item for future runs

weary lagoon
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this rando has no settings..

midnight depot
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The generic settings should work

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Like priority checks and disallowed checks

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My fire temple is Dodongo's Cavern

weary lagoon
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catch my ass on 53% progress 0/4 swords

midnight depot
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You should stop playing WW until everyone catches up or you get a sword

weary lagoon
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But I dont remember whats going on in oot

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something about a chicken..

midnight depot
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What do you need the chicken for anyway?

weary lagoon
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unlocks 3 songs

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the chicken is what makes a boy a man

midnight depot
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Tunic sword upgrade

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Dodongo is swapped with Barinade

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Can you even kill Barinade without a boomerang?

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No, so fuck me I guess

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Right Crystal Heart for chip

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Thanks for forest temple key ring

weary lagoon
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remind me what HF Tektite Grotto Freestanding PoH is

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is it the one under water you want iron boots for

lament tusk
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yeah

midnight depot
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Thanks for scale

#

That's right. You need iron boots or a different method I can't remember

fresh hill
midnight depot
#

!hint location ruined atoll key door chest

#

Is it this one? Ruined Atoll - [Northeast] Key Pickup?

#

Or perhaps this one

#

Ruined Atoll - [East] Locked Room Upper Chest

fresh hill
#

uh

midnight depot
#

Or this one Ruined Atoll - [East] Locked Room Lower Chest

fresh hill
#

ok I don't have the map fully memorized lol

#

sounds like it's two chests, I just don't remember where the vanlla key was but obv that's outside the door

midnight depot
midnight depot
#

Thanks for the map

#

I figured out a setup for hover boots to Zora's domain

#

Also, Ice cavern is fire temple???

#

umm

weary lagoon
#

what

#

oh

midnight depot
#

The teleport song takes me to the child link version of this map

weary lagoon
#

heh..

#

well its the ocarina of time

midnight depot
#

Trying to leave by going south just takes me back to Adult Link Castle Town

#

The back alleys also work

#

Even at night

#

The dogs follow you properly and NPCs have child link lines

fierce vale
#

PL_lunateehee oops, used my hint on "right slash" not my shade cloak i hoped right dash woulda just corrected

#

CoolCat right slash is good too

midnight depot
#

Thanks for goron bracelets

#

You ruined my clip

#

I'm going to do something else

midnight depot
#

Split_Mothwing_Cloak for the other one

#

And Shade_Cloak for the third

fierce vale
#

paissapretty yeah, i was hoping there would have been a macro for correcting it

#

PL_lunateehee it just corrected to the wrong thing

weary lagoon
#

rightslash is good

midnight depot
weary lagoon
#

now you can beat Ganon!

midnight depot
#

Well I need forty skulltulas to get the bridge first

#

34 so far

fierce vale
#

@weary lagoon i found your legend of zelda wind waker

midnight depot
weary lagoon
#

This is great

#

I started with it but now I have it for real

midnight depot
#

Gerudo Training Ground is Deku tree

#

Immune to bombs, to arrows, to longshot

#

Shield breaks its projectiles

#

Oh the mirror shield breaks them but hylian shield works

fierce vale
#

... are my cloaks innaccesible

fresh hill
#

did you split them into left and right versions?

fierce vale
#

awwyeah ixrec for the win

#

also ixrec for the win please bestie love you <3

fresh hill
#

huh

#

unfortunately I have not found an entrance to Siege Engine Arena yet

fierce vale
#

cyclone slash found, easy win time gamers chip_coolmunk

midnight depot
#

[Hint]: FlitterOoT's Magic Meter is at Icon of Sin (MAP30) - Megasphere in FlitterDoom's World. (not found)

#

Maybe I should play some Doom.

#

Oh thanks for the backpack

#

Who's the fucker who worked on platforming in Doom 2

#

This game sucks so much. I can't believe I chose to play it

ancient harness
fierce vale
#

magipog ty for left slash bestie

fresh hill
#

and I've fallen back below the average

midnight depot
#

I can't even opt out of platforming because whoever made APDoom disabled the jump functionality

ancient harness
#

You can always noclip

#

Wait

midnight depot
#

I could

#

But then I wouldn't know what's in logic and what's not

ancient harness
#

You sure you can't enable jump? I remember a lot of hidden things buried under options somewhere

midnight depot
#

Yes, there is a jump option it just does nothing

weary lagoon
#

Maybe I should hint the chicken

#

but I figured it would be fun for whoever found it eventually

ancient harness
midnight depot
#

You could wait longer

#

WW Sword for @weary lagoon

#

And Biggoron Sword for me

weary lagoon
#

holy crap

#

Just 3 to go

midnight depot
#

Do the other swords unlock items?

#

Beans for me

weary lagoon
#

master sword (2nd sword) lets me fight phantom ganon

#

Fully upgraded master sword (4th) sword is needed to kill Ganon

midnight depot
#

And phantom sword lets you fight master ganon

weary lagoon
midnight depot
#

Nice

#

Song of Storms for me

#

Black knight sword for Kratta

#

Hope it was worth taking a cyber demon rocket to the face

#

Awoken dream nail for chip

fresh hill
#

I did not realize you all found 10 of my questagons

#

I believe that means I have prayer now

midnight depot
#

Nice

#

Cast Lorquiana

fresh hill
#

need the magic dagger for that unfortunately

fierce vale
#

UraWheeze my right mothwing cloak is in the same area as my right slash

#

it turns out right dash did find what i wanted

midnight depot
#

Need more keys to reach it

#

Another sword for @weary lagoon

#

Maggie's Letter for ArtiksWW

#

Looks like all the WW and Hollow Knight items are in Doom

#

And that's BK mode

#

More videogames tomorrow

fresh hill
#

I am invincible now

midnight depot
#

Nice

fierce vale
#

NamazuThink how do i get the fourth grimmkin flame

fresh hill
#

bringing only one game for my first ER was definitely the right call

#

this is so much to keep track of, even with notes

fierce vale
#

awwyeah 34% of the game done in one sitting, game to easy

midnight depot
fierce vale
#

fungal core

#

i thought there was four for some reason ppenk

midnight depot
#

Fungal core

fierce vale
#

but regardless, i spent an age running around fungal core with the grimmkin flame equiped and couldn't find it

midnight depot
#

You need to upgrade your child

fierce vale
#

ahh

midnight depot
#

That one's a second level flame

#

You also need double jump or antigravity charm to reach it

fierce vale
#

UraWheeze i have pretty much every movement thing apart from left and right dash already

midnight depot
#

Sounds good

fresh hill
fierce vale
#

is it just a progressive thats gonna be shade cloak then? idk how it works

midnight depot
#

Yeah kinda

fresh hill
#

oh, right, yes shade cloak is progressive... under certain settings? it's been too long since I played HK

midnight depot
#

Always progressive

fresh hill
#

48%, cool, I'm back to being above average

#

didn't get around to retrying the librarian fight but that's enough for one night

#

and I believe I found hints saying the other two bosses have nothing important

fierce vale
#

awwyeah you're always above average where it counts (having a username that sounds like its from kingdom hearts)

midnight depot
#

A Short Hike has an official beta test async with the deadline to submit YAMLs being tomorrow

#

#1181028941721522196 message

#

Once it's ready I might play it in regular games

fresh hill
#

nice, that's one of the games I might have chosen to play if I hadn't committed to so many others already

midnight depot
#

Looks like development for it is finished and now they need to bugfix

weary lagoon
#

holy crap I have the master sword

#

but do I have the chicken?

#

no

fierce vale
#

dw bro i'll find your chicken

midnight depot
#

Hello. Zelda time

weary lagoon
#

Thanks for rupees. I need a lot of those to decipher my maps

#

and magic! thats a big one

midnight depot
#

Turns out

#

Gerudo Training Ground has a ton of crates

#

Er

#

Gerudo Hideout

#

So I just realized I have every item I need for go mode except magic

#

[Hint]: FlitterOoT's Magic Meter is at Charm_Notch-Colosseum in ChipKnight's World. (not found) @fierce vale

weary lagoon
#

youre in ganons castle?

#

maybe you can grab my sword

midnight depot
#

No, your sword is not in Ganon's Castle

#

It's in the dungeon shuffled with ganon's castle

weary lagoon
#

hm

midnight depot
#

However, I think I may be able to access it now that I have more than 40 gold skulltulas

#

Yep! Light bridge activated

#

Small doll for @wet field

weary lagoon
#

lol this guy is still playing with dolls?

midnight depot
#

ArtiWW's Progressive Sword is at Gerudo Training Ground Heavy Block First Chest in FlitterOoT's World at Ganons Castle Grounds -> Ganons Castle Lobby. (not found)

#

I don't think I can get that without strength

#

Gotta be able to push the huge blocks

weary lagoon
#

D:

midnight depot
#

[Hint]: FlitterOoT's Progressive Strength Upgrade is at Windfall - Transparent Chest in ArtiWW's World. (not found)

weary lagoon
#

i need fire arrow for that

midnight depot
#

Better hint for them then

#

LMAO I got you iron boots early

#

Turns out if you keep rolling into this chest you get like one frame to actually open it

weary lagoon
#

I already have every item now I just need to be able to go adult

#

it used two of my hints

#

And decided to show one that was found

#

very funny

midnight depot
#

Did it actually use two of your hints? In my experience it shows all the ones you know plus one more, spending one hint

weary lagoon
#

aha.

midnight depot
#

Apparently Child Link cannot hurt the snow statues at all?

weary lagoon
#

With dins fire I was able to beat that room

#

but the next room you cant climb high enough

midnight depot
#

Makes sense

#

I'll just come back later as adult

#

Oh I need zelda's lullaby

fresh hill
#

I hear I need to go fight the big crabs

midnight depot
#

Are these crabs

#

Giant

#

And enemy?

#

Magic orb

fierce vale
#

paissapretty once i get 1% more of my checks can ihint for artichicken

#

i cant remember if that can be done via command ~~or if it will be allowed if i just waste the hint PL_lunateehee ~~

midnight depot
#

I can allow you to spend that hint which you accidentally wasted earlier to give to Artiks for the chicken but he'll have to accept it

fierce vale
#

@weary lagoon do you want a hint besty cute_uwu

weary lagoon
#

I haven't used any OoT hints iirc

#

But why ruin one of the greatest treasure hunts in all of our Archipelago runs so far

#

I was thinking I might do it if we havent found it by friday

midnight depot
#

We aren't in a hurry

weary lagoon
#

Exactly

midnight depot
#

My forest temple is shadow temple!

#

Broken Straight Sword for Kratta

wet field
#

LET'S

#

FUCKING

#

GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

midnight depot
#

I hope you appreciate me doing shadow temple without lens of truth

wet field
#

It's been a hot minute since I've played. What are the biggest problems not having it causes?

midnight depot
#

There are invisible platforms you have to memorize

#

Some of them move

wet field
midnight depot
wet field
#

What's the deal with the blue hearts and red c buttons? Just for fun?

midnight depot
#

Yeah I made the colors random

#

(With a good chance that they stay on default)

#

Good thing I went back for this chest

#

It was an invisible chest I missed on my first go

#

It had Chip's Lurien, absolutely essential to finish the game

#

Bottle with Milk for Artiks

weary lagoon
#

ty!

midnight depot
#

Morpha is Volvagia, so I can't do that fight until I have a hammer

#

Let's stop here for now

fierce vale
#

i got your magic meter bestie CoolCat

midnight depot
#

Amazing work, thank you

fierce vale
#

awwyeah first place once more achieved

#

twicrazy now i just need to find the 2 other dreamers i need to actually win

#

@wet field twicrazy please slay the eater of gods so i can achieve victory

wet field
#

Well I got the doll now, so that shouldn't be too hard

weary lagoon
#

Anyone seen a weird egg today?

midnight depot
#

Don't worry I'm just going to do trials skip and kill ganon then release

weary lagoon
#

what

#

release 40% of your checks?

#

thats so boring

midnight depot
#

I'm kidding

#

But I might do trials skip and kill ganon early for funsies

weary lagoon
#

Thats good

fierce vale
#

CoolCat i got like 2 zones left to do; hive, 1/2 of crystal peak and 1/2 of deepnest

#

and a few random checks laying around that i'll clean up after if i dont just end up releasing once i mostly clear everywhere

#

which will probably be like 90-95%

midnight depot
fierce vale
#

snarfexplain shouldn't a got you the magic meter, now i wont win first; in the "not a race unless i'm winning paissapretty " PL_lunateehee

midnight depot
#

Oh shit I actually need Ganon's Boss key too

#

Well the skip was fun to do

weary lagoon
#

the pedestal in temple of time should tell you where it is

midnight depot
#

Yeah it's set to keysanity so the pedestal just tells me it can be anywhere

weary lagoon
#

How is that worded

midnight depot
#

I'll take a screenshot

weary lagoon
#

good to know

#

its in Hyrule not in Hallowsnest

#

Or Darksoulia

fierce vale
#

(lothric)

midnight depot
#

Well I set it to be in any game, so I'm not sure what's going on

fierce vale
#

it might be "anywhere in hyrule" or "anywhere in x's world"

midnight depot
#

[Hint]: FlitterOoT's Boss Key (Ganons Castle) is at Shadow Temple Bongo Bongo Heart in ArtiOOT's World at Death Mountain -> Dodongos Cavern Beginning. (not found)

#

Technically it is in Hyrule

wet field
#

Damn

#

๐Ÿง 

midnight depot
#

Hmm

#

My tracker thinks I can access fire temple as child

#

But I don't have Zelda's lullaby

weary lagoon
#

bollero, megaton hammer?

midnight depot
#

No.

weary lagoon
#

why cant you go there as an adult

midnight depot
#

I can! I just can't beat the boss of the dungeon without boomerang

#

Since he's Barinade

weary lagoon
#

maybe your tracker doesnt support boss shuffles

midnight depot
#

No, it used to say I can only reach Dodongo's cavern as adult

#

Now it says I can reach it as child too

weary lagoon
#

Maybe it doesnt support random warps

midnight depot
#

It does have warps accounted for

weary lagoon
#

like if you have bollero it thinks you can go there

midnight depot
#

Automatically detects where each warp goes and marks it correctly

#

But the princess only appears if I bear Barinade

weary lagoon
#

What a moron

midnight depot
#

Oh, after I did some more exploration the tracker corrected itself

#

Now only adult link can reach it

#

(The tracker doesn't account for boss shuffle)

midnight depot
#

Let's take a break and run doom instead

midnight depot
#

I totally forgot holding shift makes you run

#

No wonder this jump was impossible to do

#

Yo shape of Unn

#

Where my wormies at

#

And doom is in BK mode until further keys

#

We crossed the 50% mark less than a week in, so we may have underestimated the time we have

#

Which is good, I guess

midnight depot
#
[Hint]: FlitterDoom's Chaingun is at Frog's Domain - Side Room Secret Passage in Ixfox's World at Maze Cave Entrance. (not found)```
@fresh hill
#

And [Hint]: FlitterDoom's Rocket launcher is at CKG: Shadow Mask in kratta's World. (not found) @wet field

fresh hill
#

what do you know

#

I powered up that secret room in my last session and going back there was on my todo list

midnight depot
#

Whenever you two are able to get these weapons, it would be handy to have them

#

Not essential but would make it so I die less

fresh hill
#

I don't believe I've found a way into the main part of frog's domain though

midnight depot
#

Chaingun is good for sniping low health enemies from afar but it's niche

wet field
#

It's gonna be a hot minute

midnight depot
#

CKG

#

Cathedral Knight Greatsword?

#

No it's an area name

#

Consumed King's Garden

#

So you need uh

#

Basin of Vows

fresh hill
#

derp I didn't read the full hint

#

maze cave entrance...

#

OH

#

I have the shield now, I can totally do that

midnight depot
#

Nice

fresh hill
#

wait no that's hourglass cave

#

well it's one of those dang overworld caves I'm so bad at keeping track of, probably I can find it

weary lagoon
#

were you able to get this

fresh hill
#

oh I haven't played since that was revealed

weary lagoon
#

I went over the Oot checklist, seems like I havent missed anything

midnight depot
#

Nice

fresh hill
#

all right, let's get your stuff

#

oh cool chip even found my lantern

#

one down

midnight depot
#

Hell yeah

#

Way more convenient and fast than shooting forty plasma gun shots

fresh hill
#

ah yes I have a bazillion holy cross checks to do now

midnight depot
#

Oh nice

#

What's that?

fresh hill
#

the area where your chaingun is apparently

#

there it is

#

niiiice

#

there's a lot of good stuff in this area

midnight depot
#

Thank you

fresh hill
#

hopefully that was worth nearly dying to a big room stuffed full of randomized enemies

#

well at least it was a progression item, technically

#

didn't even have to fight a big crab to get it

midnight depot
#

I no longer need any gold skulltula tokens

weary lagoon
#

me 5 minutes into any seed

fresh hill
#

I think I found my siege engine arena

#

was that everything on my wishlist?

#

looks like it

#

lol, deku stick is a perfect boss reward

#

artiks' light arrows were up here

midnight depot
#

Oh light arrows

weary lagoon
#

very funny

midnight depot
#

Oh you can't spend that bottle

weary lagoon
#

i have three

#

and I already gave him the letter

midnight depot
#

Oh I see

fresh hill
#

I like how it's the tiny fox I'm running away from in sheer terror while the giant spider is whatever

#

and that's quarry cleared, good stopping point

fierce vale
fresh hill
#

if you noticed my weird connecting/disconnecting, my Tunic client missed sending a check to AP and I was discussing it with one of the devs; it's now been recollected using a fresh save file

fierce vale
#

sneakybelle i once more require kratta's assitance

midnight depot
#

Archdragon peak

#

That's basically endgame

fierce vale
#

HatPensive its the same progression as the aldrich check i need from em

fresh hill
#

it just hit me I never found my final boss arena

fierce vale
#

mwahaha i am in first once again

#

i think a fair amount of those are geochecks which aren't on my map, i might be wrong

midnight depot
#

. correct

#

Hollow knight does that for some stupid reason

fierce vale
#

i think i have like 40 checks total more?

#

CoolCat now people have to convince me to either go get a boss soul check or give me the lantern for my remaining checks

midnight depot
#

The lantern hard locks three checks

fierce vale
#

rdsnrk true, but i also dont feel like doing any of the doable ones in the dark

midnight depot
#

Me neither

fierce vale
#

kratta killed wolnir as the last thing they did, which is like, pretty close to both checks to both things i need

midnight depot
#

I don't know

#

The level right after Wolnir is the longest in the game for me because every fucking enemy forces me to take it slow

fierce vale
#

rdsnrk apart from the the part with 3 of the curved sword dudes+ fire mage, i've played through it enough that "run in and fuck em up" is a good enough strat

#

the invis+dogs+spider+curved sword enemies are all pretty easy to stagger till death

#

that being said it probably does still take the longest because its just like, a pretty big area

midnight depot
#

Hello

#

Thank you for my sixth hylian shield

#

Still in BK mode

weary lagoon
#

ill get your strength upgrade soon

midnight depot
#

That was a productive level!

#

Zelda's lullaby for me, Mirror Shield for Artiks, Hidden Station Stag for Chio

weary lagoon
#

not the mirror shield I wanted but the mirror shield I deserved

#

that makes every adult item with the exception of optional ones

#

before going adult

midnight depot
#

Now you just need to find your other two spells and biggoron sword

#

Also longshot

weary lagoon
#

tru the longshot

midnight depot
#

Oh I have another monster condo key

#

Aw, but it only takes me to the exit

#

I need the orange key (labeled yellow for some reason) for the other ten checks

weary lagoon
#

im gonna boot up and get your strength now

midnight depot
#

Take your time!

weary lagoon
#

no

midnight depot
#

Then take mine

weary lagoon
#

Looks like someone found my third sword!

#

One more to go

midnight depot
#

Thanks for silver gauntlet

midnight depot
#

Din's Pearl for Artiks

#

Wow, thanks

#

The central all important chest had one rupee

weary lagoon
#

noooo fkn way

#

Im in the earth temple about to hit a wall thanks to no mirror shield

#

I open the 2nd to last chest and I think "but what if tho"

midnight depot
#

Nice

weary lagoon
#

thats in the room next to the one where vanilla mirror shield is

midnight depot
#

I love the "mash A to power through fire barriers and open the chest anyway" skip

#

Twinrova is phantom ganon

weary lagoon
#

oh I can do full savage labyrinth now

#

lets hope floor 50 isnt something useless

midnight depot
#

That was a clean fight. It had thorns of agony for Chip

#

Joni's Blessing!

weary lagoon
midnight depot
#

But I assumed it would be a five bomb or something

#

So it looks like Darunia won't let me past him to beat Barinade unless I beat King Dodongo

weary lagoon
#

i dont think you can ever go through there as child

midnight depot
#

Oh in that case I need megaton hammer

weary lagoon
#

ye

midnight depot
#

[Hint]: FlitterOoT's Megaton Hammer is at HC GS Storms Grotto in ArtiOOT's World. (not found)

#

In order for you to get it in the first place you need more songs

#

Which in turn need weird egg

weary lagoon
#

I have done everything I can as child without chicken

#

no other item does anything

fresh hill
#

so, I played WW a very long time ago, but I don't remember this

#

why is the chicken so crucial?

weary lagoon
#

my Wind Waker file is chilling

#

I need the chicken to wake up Talon in Ocarina of Time

#

If I cant wake up Talon I cant meet princess Zelda

#

and Princess Zelda gatekeeps all 3 child songs

fresh hill
#

oh that chicken

#

I dunno why I thought it was a WW chicken

weary lagoon
#

ive been locked out of OoT since last saturday thats why its so far behind every other game

wet field
weary lagoon
#

Nope

wet field
#

Well then, we'll see if I find it after work today

wet field
wet field
#

He's free

midnight depot
#

Nice

#

Make sure he doesn't die

fierce vale
#

Evil kill him

midnight depot
#

4AM

#

Time to play some Ocarina of Time

#

Thank you for the compass

wet field
#

it's Time time

midnight depot
#

How much progress do you have left to do, Kratta?

#

In other words, how hard should I try to do the annoying stuff before I can get the items to do it easily?

wet field
#

you can put off doing the annoying stuff

midnight depot
#

Great! I'm only going to do a little bit of annoying stuff

#

Ah!

#

I can actually reach Queen Gohma now, who has been replaced by King Dodongo

#

Fucking idiot dies to two hits of the biggoron sword

#

He dropped a gold skulltula

#

These should not be priority checks

#

He also gave me the Zora Sapphire!

#

The song in Desert Colossus Bean is Serenade of Water, which takes me to

#

Shadow temple entrance!

#

It's been replaced with forest temple. Should be able to do most of it

midnight depot
#

Elevator pass for chip

#

Time to play Doom!

#

No new checks. Good game

weary lagoon
#

Did we find the chicken yesterday

weary lagoon
#

Alright, its time

#

@fresh hill

fierce vale
#

UraWheeze i dont even need to boot the game to find out if i can do anything, i can just go onto kratta's section of the tracker and scroll down a tiny bit

weary lagoon
#

Scary check names

fierce vale
#

aldrich is (normally) a mandatory fight and relatively diffcult for first timers, the other one is in a secret area, though easy to find once you go to said area

fresh hill
fresh hill
#

poggers

#

sadly that's a dead end but at least it's a sign

#

finally found an entrance to west gardens at least

#

I believe there's a <1% of this ever mattering, but this hint is probably pointing at my magic dagger

fresh hill
#

FINALLY

#

the enemy rando really wanted me dead there but EGG

#

hm... C-tier song

fierce vale
fresh hill
#

and last but not least... wait, actually least

#

that's cathedral cleared

#

I should probably stop here and let chip catch up rdsnrk

midnight depot
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might be, I keep forgetting whether lit candle means it was or wasn't found already

midnight depot
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I'll double check later. Zora River Deku scrubs grotto is one of the easier ones where you can platform there as soon as you open the entrance to Zora River

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Or it might be the one that takes Song of Storm but I got both of them

fresh hill
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I nearly died for your egg

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use it well

weary lagoon
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I wouldnt be surprised if I could just go and beat Ganon from 30%

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I had everything except egg

weary lagoon
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tier list must be disregarded for warp songs

midnight depot
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Oh right

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My warp songs take me to Hyrule Market (S), Lon Lon Ranch tower (F), Death Mountain Trail top with access to the owl to take me to Zora's Domain (S)

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As well as shadow temple which is not that convenient but I need it to beat the game

weary lagoon
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im gonna play some Zelda

midnight depot
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Have fun

weary lagoon
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ive been using the speed up feature of the emulator but I notice it doesnt go faster than 200%

midnight depot
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You're running into CPU or GPU limitations

weary lagoon
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but I have a super computer that ran Elden Ring on max settings

midnight depot
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Then it's probably your CPU

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With my 6700k and no GPU I can get to 300-400% in some spots, but 200% is normal for other spots

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I had to lower my resolution to the minimum though

weary lagoon
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Princess Zelda had the bolero of fire, thanks

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Malon had the requiem of spirit, thanks

midnight depot
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Emulators focused on accuracy like Bizhawk tend to require a beefy CPU

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The reason my game looks grody is I lowered every setting possible to make fast forwarding go better

weary lagoon
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I have the Ryzen 9 5900X

midnight depot
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Great CPU, but it focuses on having a lot of cores which might not be good for emulators which benefit from having one strong core

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Either way, figuring out how to push fast forward more might be tricky so maybe you could just give yourself bunny ears from the start instead

weary lagoon
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well I had mask shop quest completed in the settings but that also requires the chicken lmao

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Fire temple is Jabu, which I had a hint earlier of being barren

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Eponas song for you!

midnight depot
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Nice

weary lagoon
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Desert colossus i the water temple

midnight depot
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I was feeling like a peasant this whole time with no epona or bunny ears

weary lagoon
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and theres the song of time

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what one chicken will do to a mf

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time to see what my win condition is

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great colors

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What the fuck

midnight depot
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20 hearts

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You're never going to beat Ganon

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It should be 10 hearts if you have double defense

weary lagoon
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If I dont beat Ganon then we dont win

midnight depot
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By never I mean it'll take quite the while

weary lagoon
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great time

midnight depot
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A big chest!

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You don't have chest size matches content

weary lagoon
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thats true

wet field
weary lagoon
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ye!

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I forgot that you need Lullaby to get the boat moving in shadow

midnight depot
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Correct

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That's where I got stuck

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I have lullaby now but Shadow Temple is boring

weary lagoon
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I found GTG in a forest

fierce vale
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you found the guess the game thread in a forest?!??!?

weary lagoon
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yes bro