also apparently theres a Underwater Islands Wreck - Pipes Databox 2 which was right at the bottom of the list but hidden by a ui bar thing
#Archipelago Multiworld Multi-game Randomizer
lament tusk
lament tusk
oh jesus christ... i figured it out
theres a ladder covered by a broken door
i assumed that was just set dressing, and you wouldnt be able to do anything with that
turns out, if you have a physics gun, you can move it
thats where my gantry was hiding, and a skultula for flitter
there we go, all 131 checks checked
midnight depot
Nice work
lament tusk
atleast i know that i can do that. i'd've never figured it out if i didnt happen to have a physics gun by pure chance
lament tusk
there, launched the rocket
i spent a bit of extra time pointlessly adding a bunch of food and water to the rocket's storage. you dont keep it and it affects nothing but i never like the idea of my char just launching into space with nothing to eat
fresh hill
so one of the unofficial Archipelago games is a "Manual" game, which can be configured with any items/locations/logic and is meant to be used for non-video games (like board games or miscellaneous irl tasks), or to prototype before making a proper game mod
and I bring this up because:
I don't think that's an Artiks alt
but 
midnight depot
Hi.
Progress update, everyone's done except Pseudoregalia and Doom!
What do you need to finish Doom?
fresh hill
I might do the last few checks in my Pseudo later so that next time yay gets to play I can complete mine immediately
weary lagoon
What do you need to finish Doom?
@ancient harness we must know!
Im ready to do whatever it takes
fierce vale
@weary lagoon i'll watch one piece but it has to be under this rule set 
weary lagoon
my games next month are wind waker, oot and anime
midnight depot
Oh, and you have all your maps?
ancient harness
Ye
midnight depot
What's the best way to see what you need to finish? Do you need to launch the game?
Okay uh
ancient harness
Yeah the game has a great screen
All checks all keys all maps in one place
In-built tracker
If you have Automap, the checks are shown on the map too
Let me see if I can hint
midnight depot
The hints you can do are !hint The Crusher (MAP06) - Red keycard
ancient harness
Problem is having to type the whole ass-name with no copypaste
midnight depot
!hint The Waste Tunnels (MAP05) - Blue keycard
ancient harness
Also typing is in US keyboard....
midnight depot
You can copy paste into the text client
You do not have to type, but you do have to have the archipelago client installed
Click here to open the text client https://i.imgur.com/VvrqTH8.png
lament tusk
oh THATS how you do that
midnight depot
And the third is !hint Underhalls (MAP02) - Red keycard
ancient harness
Discord where's the other two...
Oh, all three images are there it just broke tiling
midnight depot
Oh the log says [root at 2023-11-24 14:40:02,850]: Notice (all): Wcctnoam: !HINT THE CRUSHER (MAP06) - RED KEYCARD [root at 2023-11-24 14:40:02,855]: Notice (Team #1): [Hint]: Wcctnoam's The Crusher (MAP06) - Red keycard is at Ruined Castle 08 - Lower Stagnant Blight x10 in Ixlily's World. [root at 2023-11-24 14:41:27,278]: Notice (all): Wcctnoam: !HINT THE WASTE TUNNELS (MAP05) - BLUE KEYCARD [root at 2023-11-24 14:41:27,284]: Notice (Team #1): [Hint]: Wcctnoam's The Waste Tunnels (MAP05) - Blue keycard is at Forest Temple GS Basement in FlitterOoT's World at Graveyard Warp Pad Region -> Shadow Temple Entryway. [root at 2023-11-24 14:41:52,277]: Notice (all): Wcctnoam: !HINT UNDERHALLS (MAP02) - RED KEYCARD [root at 2023-11-24 14:41:52,282]: Notice (Team #1): [Hint]: Wcctnoam's Underhalls (MAP02) - Red keycard is at The Underbelly - Surrounded By Holes in Ixgoat's World.
I still have no access to the shadow temple entryway
I have one warp song missing, so that must be it
Because there's no in-logic way to get there except the warp song
ancient harness
I can always noclip
midnight depot
Oh, and Meganought got me the song
[Hint]: FlitterOoT's Bolero of Fire is at Grand Reef South Wreck - PDA in submega's World. (found)
Guess I gotta go get that quick before I do homework
lament tusk
glad to help
midnight depot
That makes almost every remaining check available to me
Oh, one of the items is in Ixrec's Ender Lilies game
@fresh hill is this one of the missed checks?
[Hint]: Wcctnoam's The Crusher (MAP06) - Red keycard is at Ruined Castle 08 - Lower Stagnant Blight x10 in Ixlily's World.
Wow, forest temple is so much easier when you have all the required items and DON'T start by going through the left door
ancient harness
Yeah reverse forest temple is so nice
midnight depot
What a weird trick
This chest when you flip the room
It changed into a boss key chest!
weary lagoon
what im hearing is theres no way for me to save Wcctnoam..
Flitter, Ixlily, I'm counting on you
ancient harness
I mean, I consider the game technically complete
IT was fun, got to do pretty much everything
Those three levels are even cleared for all intents and purpose
weary lagoon
we dont quit at the finish line sir
ancient harness
I always knew I was gonna finish last because Doom 2 has 90 mandatory things other people need to get for me
midnight depot
I'll give you a hint
ancient harness
Well, I quit on the 30th that's for sure
midnight depot
||The spoiler log says you finish last||
ancient harness
Yeah I expected that
32 levels, 58 keys
Imagine in OOT you have 32 dungeosn and 3/4ths of them have 2-3 keys
But the dungeons are small
ancient harness
I only need one of each 4 weapons really
midnight depot
I got the item
ancient harness
I still don't even have a plasma rifle because as long as you have SSG and BFG you can beat the game. Chaingun and rocketlauncher add more ammo
midnight depot
Yeah
fresh hill
<@283037539755884554> is this one of the missed checks?
that is not one of the "lost" checks, I'll go grab that after work
midnight depot
Great!
fresh hill
the Ixgoat one should also be easy
midnight depot
Is it me or is reflecting Phantom Ganon with a biggoron sword much harder?
Still easier since he dies in one cycle
ancient harness
Then I finish today
midnight depot
I'm still missing my golden gauntlets to finish OoT
[Hint]: FlitterOoT's Progressive Strength Upgrade is at Stockade 15 - Hoenir, Keeper of the Abyss in Ixlily's World. (not found)
fresh hill
oh I do need to fight another boss
sweet
in fact let's sneak one of these in before the next meeting
midnight depot
Oh wait I did use a glitch to clip past and win the game
I remember now
So it's not as urgent
fresh hill
there we go
ancient harness
One more left
midnight depot
Thanks for 200 rupees
fresh hill
I felt compelled to clear the room while I was there
lament tusk
imagine playing these games for fun
midnight depot
I should have randomized shops
I did not spend a single rupee this seed beyond buying shields
ancient harness
And I'm done
It crashed when I hit the exit of my last level. And it also crashes if I relaunch
So, you can release for me if you want
It's marked as completed so at least it went through
midnight depot
Well done
fresh hill
and we're done
midnight depot
You got all but three items https://i.imgur.com/dc7aJou.png
ancient harness
Yeah it's easy to get everything in this game
Realyl you just have to know the secrets, and if you don't there's automap
midnight depot
Well done
That leaves only Pseudoregalia to be completed for both @fresh hill and @sage dawn
fresh hill
yep, I'm gonna grab the remaining checks in my goatworld but we learned the other day that my last major key is in yay's world anyway
midnight depot
I'm done enough that I'm just going to release the remaining checks
Ah, what's this,
FlitterOoT found their Small Key Ring (Fire Temple) (Fire Temple Boulder Maze Shortcut Chest)
Also locked in the temple: FlitterOoT sent Reliquary of the Suffering Heart to FlitterBlasph (Fire Temple Map Chest)
Not an important item but one that would be nice to have
fresh hill
oh there's my last fairy
well now I want to know where that last page is
of course it's in my EL world
yeah let's get Tunic to 100% after this
midnight depot
You were missing two items
fresh hill
yep, one was the all fairies reward, and the other required that last manual page
all right, tower has been climbed, that's every item except final boss
midnight depot
Good luck
midnight depot
I will never get this item
fresh hill
yes, but
ancient harness
fresh hill
ok, after some confusion over how many items are actually in the game, I got the Tunic true ending at 100%
weary lagoon
Hey Flitter can you help me set up Wind Waker
midnight depot
Yeah
midnight depot
Let me think
weary lagoon
I have a rom and emulator so I just need a yaml? Or maybe I need a specific emulator
ancient harness
Oh, since I know my answer already, I won't join in December, it crismus
midnight depot
Yeah, we usually finish a four month game in one week and rarely three weeks
You can if you like join and if things take too long for your taste leave and release
midnight depot
I have a rom and emulator so I just need a yaml? Or maybe I need a specific emul...
I'm going to find out by reading the Wind Waker pins on the Future Game Design forum. #1080383306748678165 message
This is a guide on getting a Wind Waker archipelago version running
#1080383306748678165 message
midnight depot
So you'll need to 1- Generate a "patched" game, then 2- let me install the apworld file on my machine, then 3- edit the YAML to fit your needs.
Then
???
What the fuck is this
4- You're loading a dolphin plugin that edits memory, but does it need to do that before you run, or every time you run the game?
So let's try it and see how it goes right now
Do you have dolphin ready? The newest version should be fine
weary lagoon
im still not at that step yet
midnight depot
That's fine but I'm making sure you have both dolphin and a Wind Waker rom ready
You can use and edit this YAML, but since it has no options, you just turn off deathlink
I'm going to edit it myself and assume you did that
The person generating will need this file
I'm going to put that file in my archipelago folder. You won't need it
weary lagoon
so I can skip this?
midnight depot
You can skip 2 and 1
The dolphin memory engine is what makes the randomizer work. You will need it
Here it is. Copy the whole folder and the one file inside into archipelago/lib
weary lagoon
done
midnight depot
Excellent, now start the Archipelago launcher. You will see a new executable in the list
At the bottom https://i.imgur.com/eU28lK4.png
midnight depot
Okay, take this file and put it in the lib/worlds folder
Then try again
Does it work after?
weary lagoon
Nothing changed
midnight depot
Weird!
weary lagoon
is it because I only installed the oot stuff back in august?
midnight depot
I don't think so
The apworld file should be the one adding the new launcher
Let's double check
The steps are Place "ww.apworld" in your Archipelago lib/worlds folder Place the "dolphin_memory_engine" folder in your Archipelago/lib folder
So the apworld file is here: C:\ProgramData\Archipelago\lib\worlds
weary lagoon
right there!
midnight depot
It should look something like this https://i.imgur.com/Fujnwdf.png
Great!
Go one folder up
You should see a folder here too https://i.imgur.com/UV8LuNq.png
midnight depot
And inside it is one file, correct?
Great
So you did everything right. Why didn't it show for you?
Maybe try closing the archipelago launcher completely and starting it again
weary lagoon
maybe my archipelago client is a version too old
midnight depot
You can try reinstalling
While you do that, I will need you to do process #1 on your own, because I don't have a Wind Waker rom I can test
==Download APWW_1_0_3.zip from https://github.com/Dev5ter/wwrando/releases and extract it anywhere.
==Run "Wind Waker Randomizer.exe"
==Select your Wind Waker ISO in "Clean WW ISO", and select where you want the generated game to be in "Output Folder". The item settings here don't matter.
==For custom models, go to the "Player Customization" tab
==Click Randomize at the bottom right to generate your ISO. You do not need to generate new ISOs each time you run a new rando, just delete your old save file.```ye I already did
midnight depot
Great
Once you're done reinstalling archipelago please make sure the files exist where they should be, then open the launcher again and look for the Wind Waker client
I have made a game, and this is the spoiler log for it if you're curious
It seems to be randomized correctly, so this step went well
midnight depot
Fantastic!
Now for the final process:
1- Load the generated ROM from step 1 in dolphin. Do not start the launcher until you load it.
2- Start the wind waker launcher
3- Join this game on the launcher. https://archipelago.gg/room/220x8EWhSuerXFBRwwS0pQ
You can connect like so: ToonLink:@archipelago.gg:51918
weary lagoon
Nothing happens when I click on the wind waker client button
weary lagoon
midnight depot
Is there another log named Wind Waker Client_2023_11_24_21_46_02 or something like it in the folder?
weary lagoon
nope
midnight depot
from dolphin_memory_engine._dolphin_memory_engine import (
ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'dolphin_memory_engine._dolphin_memory_engine'```Is the dolphin memory engine file present in its correct location?
It should be in this folder: C:\ProgramData\Archipelago\lib\dolphin_memory_engine
And it should be this file
midnight depot
Oh you must have clicked extract
I placed it in a folder for you hoping you would drag and drop it
weary lagoon
was it not a zip lol
midnight depot
7z, with a folder inside
midnight depot
It is the Slot Name
weary lagoon
which means
midnight depot
Instead of doing /connect, just type ToonLink:@archipelago.gg:51918 in the top bar
And then click connect there
weary lagoon
I did
midnight depot
Does it not work?
weary lagoon
I got what I posted
weary lagoon
success
midnight depot
Fantastic!
I think we're done here now, and if you like the process we can include Wind Waker in December's game
weary lagoon
I guess now we only have to fix the yaml with the right settings
midnight depot
As far as I understand, you are not allowed to add settings other than DeathLink, but
You are allowed to add and modify these settings Local Items: Not Local Items: Start Inventory: Start Hints: Start Location Hints: Excluded Locations: Priority Locations: Item Links:
And may be allowed to modify these settings Progression Balancing: 50 Accessibility: Items
But I have no idea if it will generate correctly, nor how to do it
fresh hill
makes sense, those are the generic settings every game is supposed to support, and most of them are implemented entirely by AP core rather than the game
midnight depot
In the spoiler log, they say Filling Algorithm: balanced Players: 1 Plando Options: bosses Game: Wind Waker Death Link: No Progression Balancing: 50 Accessibility: Items Local Items: Not Local Items: Start Inventory: Start Hints: Start Location Hints: Excluded Locations: Priority Locations: Item Links:
weary lagoon
start_inventory:
# Start with these items.
Wind Waker: 1
Ballad of the Gales: 1
Song of Passing: 1
can you add this
midnight depot
I did it!
I needed the correct number of spaces
It was two
And when you posted it, discord removed the starting spaces which is why it didn't work
weary lagoon
thats so rude of discord
midnight depot
This is the new game. I'm going to host it now
fresh hill
yeah, that's why I always put `s around snippets like that
midnight depot
Now try joining this game https://archipelago.gg/seed/kIQJovQdT_SQIgiCJwz7KQ
This is the spoiler log
notice how it starts with Start Inventory: Wind Waker: 1, Ballad of the Gales: 1, Song of Passing: 1
(I renamed you to Artiks instead of ToonLink)
midnight depot
Did you launch the game first THEN the launcher?
You have to do it in this order every time
weary lagoon
yes
midnight depot
Then I don't know what went wrong!
weary lagoon
lets try again
midnight depot
Oh you're going to close them and try to reconnect to the same game
weary lagoon
I assume its launch the game and not launch the file
midnight depot
Yeah, start dolphin, then launch the randomizer game with green rupees everywhere, then start the archipelago launcher, then from that launcher, start the Wind Waker launcher
weary lagoon
oh so I load into the file first
midnight depot
Yeah, that needs to happen so the memory editor can find the correct locations
weary lagoon
I might have missed that step where everything is supposed to be a green rupee
I dont see it in the pin
unless thats just what happens with apww
anyway I keep getting a green rupee in this chest thats supposed to be a treasure chart
oh but I have chart 12 in my inventory
midnight depot
It is this process
weary lagoon
weird?
midnight depot
==Download APWW_1_0_3.zip from https://github.com/Dev5ter/wwrando/releases and extract it anywhere.
==Run "Wind Waker Randomizer.exe"
==Select your Wind Waker ISO in "Clean WW ISO", and select where you want the generated game to be in "Output Folder". The item settings here don't matter.
==For custom models, go to the "Player Customization" tab
==Click Randomize at the bottom right to generate your ISO. You do not need to generate new ISOs each time you run a new rando, just delete your old save file.```ye I did that
midnight depot
And it is in this message
#1080383306748678165 message
If you have chart 12, then try finding something else to see if it works
weary lagoon
I will
the problem is it starts me on outset
and with no items I have to sail all the way to windfall for another check
I do not have the starting songs on my menu though
midnight depot
Well I don't know what to do for that
Maybe you can ask for help in that channel?
weary lagoon
In the game Link loots a green rupee, but I do get the maps in my inventory
can you post the yaml
weary lagoon
might need spaces
we could just copy this necro guys yaml
also your yaml says 0.4.2 while im on 0.4.3
midnight depot
Okay. I'll try that
midnight depot
It refuses to generate so I will make sure my installation is up to date
Oh I'm stupid and didn't read the error carefully
It said the YAML was invalid
Because you asked for sonf of passing
midnight depot
Now it generates
This is the new output with a spoiler log inside. Next, I will host it
This is the new room
ArtiWW:@archipelago.gg:51549
midnight depot
I'm asking in your stead!
#1080383306748678165 message
I'll let you know what I hear
weary lagoon
Worst case scenario you can give me items through client right
midnight depot
I don't know if that works for local items
But yes!
Do you want to test it right now?
weary lagoon
yes let me relaunch
midnight depot
I have used the cheat console to send you Song of Passing
midnight depot
Great!
I also got an answer though
We need to use this updated APWORLD file
#1080383306748678165 message
weary lagoon
got it
midnight depot
I have sent you the Wind Waker, yeah
Now I will generate a NEW game
Using the same settings but the new APworld file
The new game is here
ArtiWW:@archipelago.gg:53190
weary lagoon
yep i have them
can you send me some random item? Im not sure if I get any item get animation
midnight depot
I will send you Skull Hammer
weary lagoon
hm theres no item get animation
kinda hard to keep track of what new stuff you get then
midnight depot
True.
weary lagoon
unless theres an automatic tracker
midnight depot
No, but
weary lagoon
say Ive been gone for a day and people have gotten me lots of stuff it'll be hard to keep track of everything
midnight depot
You can ctrl+F the log file
It will highlight your items https://i.imgur.com/z51HX6i.png
midnight depot
That's good!
Maybe in a future update, they'll make it so wind waker plays the item pickup animation
But this sounds like a good amount of memory editing work
weary lagoon
Hello. How are we looking on the last 2 games?
midnight depot
Ixrec has gotten all checks in Pseudoregalia but did not finish the game
weary lagoon
does he need something
midnight depot
The last major key out of five is in yay's world
weary lagoon
I see I see
fresh hill
Tunic entrance rando just came out, and it requires the host to be on the Archipelago 0.4.4 preview release, so that's an FYI for Flitter (in case 0.4.4 doesn't get released for real before we want to start our December game)
fresh hill
it is not, which is part of the reason I thought I should mention it
which i believe is just a direct link to the exe pinned in the #archipelago-dev chat lol
midnight depot
Yep
#731214280439103580 message
Thanks!
I'll keep it around in case Archipelago does not release 0.4.4 in time
fresh hill
and with all the other unsupported games we're bringing, I thought it might justify a bit more testing of our setups before the real thing
like, I might have just invalidated your WW test 
weary lagoon
😡
fresh hill
(I'll do some local solo testing of it as soon as I finish up the local thing I still have in progress)
midnight depot
Sure. Tomorrow I'm going to invite everyone to the December game, to get them to think about what they want to play and we can do testing ahead of time
I'm busy with a lot of homework the coming days, so I may not have free time to test until the 28th
I love when I react to posts on the archipelago server with inside jokes and someone who does not get the joke at all reacts with me even though they have no idea who I am
weary lagoon
I have a 20k race on the 28th but I can do another WW test on the 29th
midnight depot
Sounds fun
midnight depot
Hi
I'm working on my OoT YAML
I've made it a lot longer than usual, and I'm going to add specific priority checks to ensure I can do every dungeon
weary lagoon
im gonna hit random on everything again
fresh hill
I tested the new Tunic release last night so I know that works for me on the settings I want
midnight depot
Great!
fierce vale
i decided i might just do hollow knight and hat in time, i gotta rejig my hat in time mods though
also i might look at the charm overhaul flitter uses for hollow knight
midnight depot
I like it, but it can make the game a bit too easy if you get a charm that's too good too early
Since logic does not account for them
fierce vale
im fine with easy, it will lighten the load for the month
it could also mean i go for a harder ending
fresh hill
"charm overhaul"?
fierce vale
i presume it does what it says on the tin
midnight depot
Actually transcendence is the one that adds all the fun charms
Charm overhaul just rebalances, IIRC
fierce vale
fair, is it any integration required, or just plug and play with archipelago (presuming i just install both)
midnight depot
Plug and play. Just don't start the game until all mods are installed
weary lagoon
@midnight depot Here's mine for Ocarina. And the WW should be the same I already sent you.
Though I was wondering if you could edit my OOT to start with suns song. No ocarina or anything just suns song. Its so annoying to sit and wait for day /night
midnight depot
Yeah you can edit it to have Sun's Song
Just do the same as you did with WW
The check name should be uh
Suns Song
You'll need to add it to Start Inventory
weary lagoon
like this?
midnight depot
I don't know. Let me check the WW YAML for comparison, and also check the archipelago channel
weary lagoon
the ww yaml isnt formated like the oot yaml so I just tried to do it like the rest of the oot one
midnight depot
Okay
weary lagoon
midnight depot
This is the example YAML for OoT
It has the same format as WW
So we know both formats must work
However it doesn't have start inventory
weary lagoon
how about sun's song
fresh hill
what are we troubleshooting exactly?
weary lagoon
adding starting items to ocarina
midnight depot
I should probably rtfm
fresh hill
if the issue is figuring out what item/location names the AP mod uses, if you've got a test multiworld made already just use /items and /locations in the text client to see a full list
midnight depot
The example YAML does not feature it
Yeah!
We know it has two spaces at the start
fresh hill
ok I think I know the problem then
midnight depot
Can it be placed anywhere? What can it contain?
fresh hill
that setting needs a quantity of the item so it's a map from name to number instead of just a list of names
midnight depot
Oh okay
fresh hill
my AHiT yaml has:
start_inventory:
Badge Pin: 2
I found gibus
fresh hill
we all guess it's an item names issue first lol
midnight depot
Like this? start_inventory: Suns song: 1
Two spaces, then four spaces
Let's find out
fresh hill
well my yamls are all using two spaces for each indentation level but sure
I forget the exact rules of the YAML spec on this but I believe using consistent indentation is the most important thing
fresh hill
tab indentation is dead because THIS ALWAYS HAPPENS 
midnight depot
Hmm
weary lagoon
you can also just console it to me when we start
midnight depot
StartInventory(Suns song: 1) is not a valid item name from Ocarina of Time. Did you mean 'Suns Song' (100% sure)
fierce vale
I found gibus
its always funny seeing people you recognise in unrelated servers, its like running into a friend in town except way more people are involved
fresh hill
there's a reason every decent code editor now auto-converts tabs to spaces so it's not even possible to screw yourself over that way any more
uh
midnight depot
you can also just console it to me when we start
Yeah but I want to learn how to add start items anyway
fresh hill
I just asked if you got the item name right
weary lagoon
do you think its because of.. ye
kinda weird because everything is lower case in the yaml from the website
midnight depot
Yeah that worked
fresh hill
always copy-paste from /items or spoiler log, never guess about fuzzy string matching
midnight depot
Item names have to be the exact string
fresh hill
oh if their example yaml is wrong that should probably be a bug report
midnight depot
The example was not wrong. It did not contain the field at all
I made you a room, Artiks. Please check if you get the item
fresh hill
oh Artiks means the capitalization convention is different between option names and item names, I guess?
that's extremely common unfortunately
midnight depot
Yeah native English speakers don't know English
fresh hill
I'm guessing it's because lower_snake_case is the norm in Python, which led to it being the norm for the generic yaml settings all games have because it's AP core implementing them, like start_inventory, and most games just use the same style for their other options
though AHiT interestingly uses UpperCamelCase for all its game-specific yaml settings
midnight depot
This guide seems nice https://archipelago.gg/tutorial/Archipelago/advanced_settings/en
fresh hill
start_inventory:
Badge Pin: 2
EndGoal:
finale: 10
rush_hour: 10
seal_the_deal: 10
which is technically inconsistent but oh well
midnight depot
Has an example for start inventory and hints
weary lagoon
yeah, I have suns song
midnight depot
Fantastic
So you can also add start_location_hints for the 1500 check if you want
Or exclude it entirely
midnight depot
So's sun's song, but you make the rules how you like because it's your games
weary lagoon
yeah but its a much bigger annoyance to get that at the end of the game than using your first hint on 1500 points
midnight depot
True
fresh hill
AP 0.4.4 RC1 just dropped: #731214280439103580 message
apparently 7 "new" games will become supported in this release, including Doom II and Pokemon Emerald
fierce vale
lets goo, pokemon emerald
this is like, the third or fourth pokemon emerald release candiate though
sage dawn
@fresh hill Got your key
sage dawn
Done as well
fresh hill
midnight depot
Well done, @sage dawn, @fresh hill, @weary lagoon, @lament tusk, @ancient harness and thank you so much for playing with me this month. I had a lot of fun and we finished ahead of schedule. It was quite the ride this time.
If you're interested I will be organizing a December game starting December 1st. Let's aim to finish this one in two and a half to three weeks, to allow everyone ample extra time during the hectic Christmas season. I will announce the game Tuesday to everyone else.
fierce vale
i shall await finding out about this game
midnight depot
Amazing way to say no. I'll look forward to play with you whenever it strikes your fancy in the future, Wcctnoam
fresh hill
hm... make sense it's not quite the whole month, I've also got another project starting up so I should probably play just my serious mode Tunic this time
midnight depot
On the one hand I do a lot more gaming at Christmas time since it's a vacation. On the other I realize others probably take a full week off or more visiting family, so being conservative is safe
fresh hill
yeah, that's mostly me pondering my own free time
midnight depot
You may choose to play a game that is heavily front loaded or back loaded in order to skew how much you'll need to keep playing according to your own free time
(use the 0-99 balancing to control that)
weary lagoon
can you share the spoiler log from the last game
fresh hill
hm... make sense it's not quite the whole month, I've also got another project s...
oh right, now that I can say it publicly: the "other project starting up" for me is developing an Archipelago randomizer mod for Outer Wilds
midnight depot
Nice
weary lagoon
midnight depot
I have not played Outer Wilds but I'm interested
lament tusk
I need to play that game
midnight depot
Hi, @weary lagoon and everyone else. Here's the spoiler log for November's game. Thanks again for playing with me.
The game expected this order of completion, from last to first:
1- Wcctnoam
2- Artiks
3- Meganought
4- Flitter
5- Yay899
6- Ixgoat
7- Ender Lily
8- Blasphemous
9- Tunic
Shuffled Entrances:
weary lagoon
Well I was done 1/3rd into the game but it wanted me to keep playing to get other people checks
midnight depot
Yeah, I count "completion" as "you won't need to do any more checks"
midnight depot
Hello! It's game time
Thank you for playing with me in the November game. I'm starting another Manechat Asynchronous Archipelago Game, with the intent of running until the end of the year. If you're interested, please read the list of available games https://archipelago.gg/games and pick one or more games to run, then ping me so I can keep track of you and help you out with any problems.
The game will start December 1st or whenever everyone who expressed interest is ready.
Also I'll ping people who might be interested here:
@fresh hill @weary lagoon @fierce vale @sage dawn @lament tusk
We will run on the new Archipelago version 0.4.4, which features Pokemon Emerald, Doom 2, Heretic and a few other games as officially supported but you're free to bring any in-development game as well.
As this month is traditionally busy, please make sure you can finish in three weeks so we have more leeway than usual
lament tusk
raft is tempting but i think im gonna give this run a break
midnight depot
Understandable. See you next time
lament tusk
hopefukky ww will be added in the new year? sounds like its nearly done
midnight depot
Only the most basic functionalities are in there
Right now I have the YAML for My OOT and Artiks's OOT and Artiks's Wind Waker
Please send me any YAML file you'd like to play
fresh hill
gonna play just Tunic this time around so I'll have more time to do modding
midnight depot
- Fire Temple Volvagia Heart
- Forest Temple Phantom Ganon Heart
- Jabu Jabus Belly Barinade Heart
- Dodongos Cavern King Dodongo Heart
- Deku Tree Queen Gohma Heart
- Water Temple Morpha Heart
- Shadow Temple Bongo Bongo Heart
- Spirit Temple Twinrova Heart
- Ganons Tower Boss Key Chest ```This is an experiment I'm running to make bosses in OoT all important
What else should I make a priority location? Song checks?
weary lagoon
yeah
I kinda feel like oot has this built in by having bosses drop the stones and medallions
midnight depot
Yes, true. I want the other check to be important too
Specifically, I want it to be a check that helps other people
Okay. - Fire Temple Volvagia Heart - Forest Temple Phantom Ganon Heart - Jabu Jabus Belly Barinade Heart - Dodongos Cavern King Dodongo Heart - Deku Tree Queen Gohma Heart - Water Temple Morpha Heart - Shadow Temple Bongo Bongo Heart - Spirit Temple Twinrova Heart - Ganons Tower Boss Key Chest - Song from Malon - Song from Saria - Song from Ocarina of Time - Song from Impa - Song from Windmill - Song from Royal Familys Tomb
wet field
This looks fun. I could do dark souls 3
midnight depot
Hell yeah!
fresh hill
This is an experiment I'm running to make bosses in OoT all important
oooh, it's spreading
midnight depot
@fierce vale has run Dark Souls 3 before and can help you out. I can help you with anything generic to Archipelago but I've not run Dark Souls 3
If you need help testing or any other sort of help please talk to me.
We're starting by December 1st
Oh uh
fierce vale
the only awkwardness to do with running ds3 is general modding awkwardness, such as having to rollback the game version since noone updated to the newest patch since its an online only one
midnight depot
See the pins for a guide!
wet field
I'm in Austin rn, but I'll be back in time to set up on the 30th
midnight depot
Well all right. I hope you'll have enough time
Keep these links in mind:
https://archipelago.gg/games/Dark Souls III/info/en Dark Souls game page, explains the basics.
https://archipelago.gg/games/Dark Souls III/player-settings Dark Souls player settings, allows you to customize randomness. If you don't want to get stuck fighting the Dancer, enable Late Basin of Vows.
https://archipelago.gg/tutorial/Dark Souls III/setup/en Dark Souls setup guide.
wet field
Yeah dancer could fuck me up if I don't have enough titanite
midnight depot
The Late Basin of Vows option means you'll get the small lothric banner before the basin of vows
exclude_locations:
- GF HBA 1500 Points
- GF HBA 1000 Points
- Market Lost Dog
- GC Pot Freestanding PoH
- ZR Frogs Ocarina Game```Added pain points and boring checks to excluded locations. Thoughts?
- Progressive Hookshot
- Progressive Strength Upgrade
- Progressive Wallet
- Progressive Scale
- Boomerang
- Bow
- Bomb Bag```I added some non-local items to help others feel good about finding me my stuff
And to make sure that my priority locations also have more stuff other people need
fresh hill
neat
midnight depot
Hmm
in "<unicode string>", line 2, column 3:
progression_balancing: 50
^
expected <block end>, but found '<block mapping start>'
in "<unicode string>", line 168, column 4:
non_local_items:
^```I see different indentation
fresh hill
the meme indentation
midnight depot
Hmm
Okay, I fixed it but now I'm running into problems with Tunic
Did I not add the apworld file properly?
No it's there. Did I not update Archipelago?
Yeah the manifest says 0.4.3
fresh hill
confirmed on my machine I can generate a Tunic game without errors using the yaml I sent you
and locally host it
fresh hill
Archipelago 0.4.4: we finally stopped asking you to install 50 ROMs upfront
oh also that thing
midnight depot
Oh they probably have a new launcher too
No it's the same
Progress! Now Tunic generates but OoT fails again
fresh hill
lol
midnight depot
The above exception was the direct cause of the following exception:
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "__startup__.py", line 124, in run
File "console.py", line 16, in run
File "Generate.py", line 653, in <module>
File "Generate.py", line 210, in main
ValueError: File FlitterOoT.yaml is invalid. Please fix your yaml.
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "Generate.py", line 430, in handle_option
File "Options.py", line 411, in from_any
File "Options.py", line 403, in from_text
KeyError: 'Could not find option "claim check" for "AdultTradeStart", known options are pocket_egg, pocket_cucco, cojiro, odd_mushroom, poachers_saw, broken_sword, prescription, eyeball_frog, eyedrops, claim_check'
The above exception was the direct cause of the following exception:
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "Generate.py", line 191, in main
File "Generate.py", line 191, in <genexpr>
File "Generate.py", line 485, in roll_settings
File "Generate.py", line 433, in handle_option
Exception: Error generating option adult_trade_start in Ocarina of Time```I'll have to check what changed
Ahh, they changed the item name
now it's claim_check
Much better, honestly
fresh hill
makes sense
midnight depot
Okay. I made a game to test @fresh hill's Tunic, @weary lagoon's Wind Waker, and my Ocarina of Time.
Spoiler log
Game link
You're not obligated to do any testing if you think we've already done plenty. It looks right to me
fresh hill
I can certainly spare one minute to open stick house chest
or, whatever's there in ER
midnight depot
Excluded and priority locations work. Nonlocal items work, and there are no unreachable items
Despite me setting accessibility to minimal
fresh hill
yep, stick house got ER'd all right
midnight depot
Fantastic
midnight depot
Everything works correctly. Thanks for participating. Next I'll add my second game
But what do I feel like playing?
fresh hill
ok finally found an actual chest
so that can help test the WW part
I will stop fiddling with this now
midnight depot
Honestly
What I'm feeling like the most is Ocarina of Time again
Maybe I'll run two instances. One with the current long and difficult settings and another that's very open
Hmm
Or I could try Metroid
Did you ever SM, Ixrec? It's the other half of Metroidvania
fresh hill
I played Super Metroid a looooong time ago, never felt like randomizing it though
as influential as it was, Fusion and Zero Mission (and now Dread) are just better imo, but only SM has an AP mod
midnight depot
Yeah
fresh hill
what I'm really missing is a few more of the Castlevanias, especially SotN
fresh hill
I've seen a bunch of AP threads for Castlevanias but I don't think any made it to playable yet
midnight depot
By the way, I'm very happy to see you engaging actively with AP development and I'd like to offer any help I can with that
fresh hill
when I have something playable and solid I was gonna poke this thread, the Outer Wilds thread here, and my AP thread for testers
midnight depot
Yeah.
fresh hill
but for the moment I mostly need to work through the big list of ideas to implement
oh btw, about 0.4.4, not joking this time: probably the change that matters most (besides compatibility) for us is going to be the new Hints tab in the Text Client:
midnight depot
I'll run doom instead of a second OoT so I don't get hand strain
Ooh, does it have suport for custom hints?
Like notes
fresh hill
I don't think so
midnight depot
Shame
fresh hill
I was thinking this might replace a lot of my Multiworld Tracker usage
that's probably worth suggesting though
I know there's a lot of talk about missing hint features and reworking hints in general, and I think "more GUI" is the answer to a lot of it
midnight depot
It's only something I care about because some games do not automatically hint when I view shop items or when I can make deductions to derive item locations
So a note field is a bandaid, not a solution
fresh hill
yeah, and in some games it'd be too spammy
midnight depot
Tagging and filtering hints sounds like a fun problem to solve
fresh hill
like how in Ender Lilies, every other item I stand next to shows "LT to pick up Flitter's Ocarina", but to hint that a second before I pick it up would be mostly obnoxious in practice
(if you could somehow detect that I skipped it on purpose, maaaaaybe)
though in Tunic I can only see trap/filler/useful/progression categories unless it's one of my own items, and hinting my own items would likely be silly too
midnight depot
Oh
- KF Links House Cow
I didn't even know that was a check! Better exclude it just in case
Probably only valid when randomizing cows
weary lagoon
yup
weary lagoon
Can I be ArtiWW instead
midnight depot
The file name does not affect your player name
The player name is ArtiWW
This is your full file:
game: Wind Waker
requires:
version: 0.4.3
Wind Waker:
death_link:
true: 0
false: 50
progression_balancing:
on: 50
start_inventory:
# Start with these items.
Wind Waker: 1
Ballad of the Gales: 1
Song of Passing: 1```Thats incredible
midnight depot
However I'm going to rename the files to make it easier to spot player names for me.
weary lagoon
@fierce valewhere is your sonic and mario at the olympic games yaml
fierce vale
oops, mb
do you still have my yaml from the last time i did hollow knight @midnight depot? if so can i just reuse that please <3
midnight depot
Sure! Let me see if I have it
Do you know what it was called? I got rid of the copy in my archipelago folder
It doesn't have Chip in the name
Nor Knight
fierce vale
i think it was chipknight, i'll dig around for it
midnight depot
I'll try generating with this one and tell you if it passes
Generates fine!
You can use it if you like, or double check to see if you want to change any of the settings
fierce vale
basically the same (i think?) with a lowered max geo cost so i dont have to grind
fierce vale
yeah, that also makes it easier
midnight depot
Looks like you have enabled ```
BackgroundObjectPogos: 'true'
SpikeTunnels: 'true'
DamageBoosts: 'true'
You turned off ``` RandomizeGeoChests: 'false'
Looks good to me! I look forward to playing with you
weary lagoon
I will find your left crystal dash, no matter what
fierce vale
looks fine enough
midnight depot
Lens of truth push puzzle to open the shadow temple front door is heavily biased
The skull on the far right has a 44.4% chance
The skull in the middle has a 22.2% chance
The skull on the left has a 33.3% chance
Hi, @wet field are you back yet? We can start the game as soon as I help you test your setup and make sure it runs.
wet field
I am back, but I have to work today. I get out at 5:30 pm EST
fresh hill
I am also still at work, though it should be less than 8 hours until I'm settled back at home
weary lagoon
ive got 2 hours lets get this show on the road!
midnight depot
We can't start without giving Kratta a chance to join first, and he's coming home in about four more hours
We did set the deadline as tomorrow, not today
midnight depot
Hey, @fresh hill could you offer advice? There's been a new Minit archipelago release. When you played Minit, how was it? How long did it take? Any pain points? How complete was the archipelago implementation?
fresh hill
I know it's changed a lot since the version I played, e.g. that version didn't even do the fanfare animation when picking up items because the dev hadn't figured out an issue with it yet, and I had to avoid a certain place to not softlock (both are fixed now)
I think the pain points I hit were all slightly obtuse puzzles in the base game rather than with the content of the AP mod
I forget how long it took but I wanna say one day
the new version even has entrance rando, so it's a lot closer to "complete"
midnight depot
Thanks!
fresh hill
I'm sure you'd be fine playing it once without ER and then whatever mode you want
midnight depot
I did finish the game once before
fresh hill
yep, I remember
well maybe you're better at ER than me, but for me in most games ER is only a good idea if I've played much of the game five minutes ago
wet field
@fierce vale should I randomize upgrade materials?
fierce vale
it adds more random spots into your game, but generally makes the game easier until needing a slab, it also pollutes everyone elses pools with a lot more items too, in the end 
fresh hill
Minit is already a confusing ass game
now imagine playing the rando before vanilla 
wet field
I won't randomize it then, thanks
midnight depot
You should do it if you have time to play this month
fresh hill
"I dunno why there are so many 'Tentacle's in this game but I guess I'll need them eventually"
midnight depot
now imagine playing the rando before vanilla <:ppenk:681838745611141137>
Couldn't be me!
fresh hill
Minit is also a weird game to do ER for because of the whole 60 second rule and the way the ocean and desert work
I don't fully understand how they solved that myself
midnight depot
Minit seems like a pain to randomize. Maybe next time
midnight depot
It's 5:30PM EST. Exciting
Let me go through my files to double check I like the settings
So far I have these files https://i.imgur.com/PZR9tp4.png
Using this format for lists https://i.imgur.com/UCDEj5P.png
This is much easier to maintain
Hmm, today I learned
# Closed forest will force child start, and becomes Closed Deku if interior entrances, overworld entrances, warp songs, or random spawn positions are enabled.
# Closed: Path to Deku Tree requires sword and shield. The forest exit is blocked until Deku Tree is beaten.```So I guess I gotta go with Closed Deku instead of fully closed
I'm making it so a random low number of Master Quest dungeons replaces the vanilla ones
I'm also making it so I need 40 gold skulltula tokens to get the rainbow bridge, so I won't have access to Ganon's Castle too early
In order to make things more fun for other people, I'm shuffling my maps and compasses and putting them in any world. Please find them for me
I'm shuffling crates. There are 38 of these in the world
midnight depot
Hell yeah, it took me a while to discover this one https://i.imgur.com/Q8AiKfN.png
midnight depot
I'm going to add the following tricks to the expected logic, so the game might force me to do any or all of them
This covers pretty much every trick I know I'll be able to get, but doesn't include ones that might get the whole group stuck for a long time
wet field
Alright, I think I've got everything working correctly
midnight depot
Excellent! Do you want me to generate a solo game so you can test it right now?
wet field
I already tried it out
midnight depot
Wonderful
In that case, I'll start the game and ping everyone, and you can play whenever you like
But first, my modified OoT file
With everyone's files present, https://i.imgur.com/yEJO8Gz.png
It's time to double check the rules
Each hint will cost 11% of your checks, for nine hints total. Don't be too overzealous using them, but use them whenever you're sick of wandering aimlessly or waiting for players to find your items
fierce vale
we had troubles with the ds3 banner last time with 11% hint cost, do we wanna do anything about that?
midnight depot
Excuse you? Where's me? https://i.imgur.com/4BdP7zO.png
midnight depot
<:PL_lunateehee:535207559150305280> we had troubles with the ds3 banner last tim...
If we get stuck I'll just borrow a hint from future Kratta.
Oh okay, https://i.imgur.com/XR097Vm.png
Wonder why it did pre main fill for Artiks but then another fill for both of us
wet field
damn, Flitter doesn't even get to be player 1
Sad!
midnight depot
Player numbers don't matter
They're alphabetical so Artiks is always first, but you can sort them other ways in the tracker
Okay. Game is generated. Here are the player settings used in case anyone needs it for future reference
The game is on, @wet field, @fierce vale, @fresh hill, @weary lagoon
https://archipelago.gg/room/erf0wcINQJaXHKqMzRrSbQ
fierce vale
heck yeah i can play 8 hours before i need to go to work at 8 am ||though i'm going to use that time to be reasonable and sleep isntead||
midnight depot
I have updated the pins with the game details, as usual
#1119170161518334004 message
Now I'm going to sleep, so have fun!
Or at least, going to bed
There's a total of 2892 items in seven worlds https://i.imgur.com/WsCqEx9.png
midnight depot
Yeah I'm going to check it out. I didn't have much fun with Doom 1 but maybe Doom 2 will be different
I think Chip is not randomizing geo rocks or geo chests, so hollow knight checks are actually like 200
ancient harness
Yeah doom 1 just suffers from very easy demons, no challenge
midnight depot
The tracker for some stupid reason does not account for that
ancient harness
Ah
fresh hill
HK has a longstanding problem of including all of the possible checks even when many of them are disabled
well this is a wonderful start given my total lack of weapons so far
at least I got a key
welp, here's hoping that's not your favorite charm
midnight depot
Grubberfly's elegy is so good early on when you have no ranged options
fresh hill
this feels like a LOT of high value items early on
midnight depot
Fantastic. I will not be suffering in shops like usual
Wait that's Artiks
Oh by the way
If you randomized your settings, the settings I gave you earlier should be the actual result, so if you consider that a spoiler don't read there
midnight depot
Thawing King Zora is something I can do as soon as I have Adult Link and [hover boots or Zelda's lullaby] and a trade item.
Or any cutscene item I guess
To get adult link I will need the normal requirements
midnight depot
Ocarina doesn't do you any good without songs, but Artiks started with sun's song as a convenience
So he has that going for him which is nice
midnight depot
He's looking rather crabby
fresh hill
gonna be a while before I can afford that
fresh hill
wow that's 11% already?
I think I'll stop here for now, that was probably most of what I can get with 0 equipment anyway
well
okay there's probably half a dozen things I can reach in swamp and quarry if I don't mind death looping
but would rather have something for those areas
wet field
bro's gonna have to sit tight
midnight depot
For the rest of the game
fresh hill
did we just find both of Artiks' progressive wallets in the opening hour
wet field
welp, I'm waiting on the banner now
actually maybe not, I think I get a drop from the boss
fresh hill
should that be in start_hints? 
wet field
okay now I'm waiting on it, lol
midnight depot
I should have thought of that
Add a hint to the banner from the start so we won't need to make other hints easier
midnight depot
Good afternoon
Time to play uh
Ocarina of Time first
My very first item https://i.imgur.com/UkQvF1C.png
fierce vale
lets gooo, now you can go into all sorts of funny underwater caves
midnight depot
And shadow temple boss key
Progressive shield for Artiks
I think I have to save up for this one https://i.imgur.com/3wKTp0t.png
lament tusk
I do wish the tunics were used more in oot
midnight depot
Do Master Quest then
lament tusk
No
midnight depot
I just realized Tracker of Time for OoT has no crate shuffle
So I'll just have to do it manually
Funny looking crate. I wonder what's in there https://i.imgur.com/fGX9gZV.png
It was a plasma gun for me
Better find me my wallet, @wet field https://i.imgur.com/LbZOgYT.png
I also have a boko baba seed. No clue what that is
Hint: Forest Temple is graveyard
Hint: Bottom of the Well is Ice Cavern
fierce vale
i dont think i've got access to greirat in any of my ds3 runs
midnight depot
Hint: 20 Gold Skulltulas are an anklet for Ixfox
fierce vale
is it a cute anklet, or a "you aren't allowed to leave this town because you're on parole" anklet
midnight depot
Could be both
That's all for OoT
I got: progressive shield for WW, Xanthous Ashes for Kratta, Slingshot for Artiks, HP for Ixfox,. Bone Shard to Kratta, Small Lothric Banner(!) to Kratta, Megaton Hammer to Artiks, Prelude of Light to me, and other stuff.
@wet field should be able to keep playing now
fresh hill
is it a cute anklet, or a "you aren't allowed to leave this town because you're ...
you be the judge
midnight depot
Hermes ass shoes
fierce vale
on the plus side, if you break the parole you can run from the cops faster
midnight depot
Oh they're just terraria anklets
fresh hill
now I realize I forgot to give myself more starting card slots so I'd be able to use more of the cards people found for me
(Tunic card slots are closer to AHiT badge pins than Hollow Knight charm notches)
midnight depot
Want me to cheat you a couple in?
fresh hill
nah
it's kinda appropriate for this run anyway
I'll probably do a 2nd session as soon as someone finds one of my key progression or combat items (shield, sword, magic wand/dagger, gun, magic orb, prayer, holy cross, lantern, laurels)
midnight depot
I fucking lived https://i.imgur.com/8xEYsaw.png
ancient harness
Welcome to Doom 2 rando
There is no save. Don't die or you'll redo the whole level
Or at least the parts you have to go through
midnight depot
With just a plasma gun this is about all I can do in this level
ancient harness
You're lucky to have firepower
I played half the levels with chaingun and a rocketlauncher, not that you ever have enough rockets, and it's often suicide to use
midnight depot
Havel's greatshield to Kratta
I know you're using the speedrunning build but what if instead you mashed everything to pulp with a one ton hunk of rock?
fierce vale
i am tempted to do a dumb gimic build next time i play
just fuck it shield only build
wet field
<@954842470544445452> should be able to keep playing now
Huge! 🙏
wet field
Better find me my wallet, <@954842470544445452> https://i.imgur.com/LbZOgYT.png
I don't have NPC items randomized, so don't sweat it if it's inconvenient
fresh hill
one interesting thing about a weaponless Tunic start is that without a straightforward way to kill enemies, I get very little money, so I can't even redeem the HP/SP/etc Offerings you're finding, much less buy my AP shop items
so my filler money items are more valuable than usual
midnight depot
Nice
well that was a massive waste of a rupee pickup i just found
midnight depot
Ah well
fierce vale
@weary lagoon if you need 200 rupees in oot for something hit me up, i got it real cheap in a shop 
dw bestie, i got you too
midnight depot
You're gonna find a fair few of those
wet field
That kinda sums up flitter's vs artiks' drops so far, huh?
fierce vale
i mean, i already found a 200 rupee thing for that save so its already capped on rupee
midnight depot
my rupee cap is 99
fierce vale
and thats hollowknight done until i get something extra
midnight depot
Well done
Oh, by the way, I need 50 gold skulltulas to finish the game this time
Now we only need to wait for Artiks to have time to play. It's unfortunate he couldn't yesterday
weary lagoon
Now we only need to wait for Artiks to have time to play. It's unfortunate he co...
we started today!
midnight depot
Yes that's correct. I place no expectations upon you
fresh hill
gonna be a while before I can afford that
oooh, I think you might've found enough of my Tunic money to buy ^this
midnight depot
Underhalls is an okay map
fresh hill
nvm not enough yet
midnight depot
Yo who sent me a bomb bag
Oh it was me
Hint: Skull Mask has Chip's Hiveblood
So that's where all my shields are hiding https://i.imgur.com/YYmfkRR.png
Time to see where the owl takes me
Zora's Domain! https://i.imgur.com/PJmYo1l.png
And they have the goron tunic on sale
The Zora diving game had a sword! https://i.imgur.com/VqY8Nz4.png
What a fucking seed
I'm so glad I did this wild goose chase
fresh hill
is that good or bad?
midnight depot
It means I have every basic item right now
I can finally do the stuff a starting player can do in OoT
I don't need to go all the fucking way to Hyrule Castle Town and grind money so I can buy more sticks because that's the only method of hitting enemies
I thought I'd be in a lot of pain until someone else found me my sword
Hint: Water Temple is Water Temple
midnight depot
Dodongo's Cavern is Spirit Temple
Shit, apparently small crates are crates too
Deku Tree is Bottom of the Well!
I don't have Zelda's Lullaby or the keys or the boomerang but I can get everything else
Turns out that's less than half the stuff
Fire arrows for me
Also Command Melody for WW, Charm Notches and Simple Key for Chip,
weary lagoon
Alright
from what ive been reading today it sounds like I should do some shopping in oot first
I already have hook?
and slingshot..
and megaton hammer..
weary lagoon
I skipped "ixrec hp offering" let me know if its important
midnight depot
Useful but not essential. Get it when you can in the future
midnight depot
Hah
weary lagoon
@fierce vale kratta is offline do you think he needs longbow or leo ring
also I could use those 200 schmekels now
fierce vale
i dont know what build they're going for, but unlikely
weary lagoon
flitter: energy cell pack?
midnight depot
No.
It's junk
This is what Doom needs:
1- Maps.
2- Map keys.
3- Weapons.
Anything else is junk
fierce vale
there you go besty <3
midnight depot
Kratta will want a bow to do some things, but there's a ton of bows so you don't need to worry about this one
Leo ring is more useful in PvP so don't bother
Thanks for Saria's Song!
Holy shit and my super shotgun
Best weapon in the game
weary lagoon
wowie zowie!
ancient harness
SSG already? Look at this guy playing in easy mode
midnight depot
Thanks for Lens of Truth
I somehow got it in the middle of a loading screen so the item got dumped into my inventory without a notification like normal items
weary lagoon
Kakariko has Ganon boss music
midnight depot
That's why I don't randomize music
fresh hill
I skipped "ixrec hp offering" let me know if its important
not for the time being, get it whenever it's easy for you; it will let me spend money to increase max HP, but I'm going to be very low on money for a while and have other priorities for it
midnight depot
Thanks for another bomb bag
weary lagoon
Longnail 
right mantis claw
skulls-
40: supercharge flitter
50: Northern gloves for kratta
seems like i got bad skulltulas again
midnight depot
Supercharge is junk
Northern gloves are useless too
The fucking axe guys kill me in one hit
What a disappointment https://i.imgur.com/Y5EX6a3.png
Spirit Temple leads to Ganon's Castle
wet field
<@110476653704011776> kratta is offline do you think he needs longbow or leo rin...
The only items I really need to beat the game are key items, I think? Estus shards and undead bone shards are extremely useful though
Some rings are also very useful
fierce vale
the stormruler is also marked as a progression item though you dont really need it
weary lagoon
ocarina of time pog
wet field
True
midnight depot
Another Ocarina for Artiks
weary lagoon
and double defense already
midnight depot
Thanks for Hookshot. Adult Link will have an amazing start