fervour regen, both fire resist beads, defense up, strength up, prayer damage up, dodge faster
#Archipelago Multiworld Multi-game Randomizer
midnight depot
Makes sense
Could also go with the crown that doubles your prayer damage and cost, since you regenerate fervor
Sorry, heart
fresh hill
first try not counting the warm-up death
oh, good, because I think I broke all the confessor statues already 
midnight depot
Lumafly lantern!
fresh hill
yup, that's what I've been dying to get here ever since chip hinted it
midnight depot
oh, good, because I think I broke all the confessor statues already <:ppenk:6818...
If you donate enough, you can get rid of your guilt in the church
fresh hill
gtk
also, a speedrunner referred to Deogracis as "Tingle" so now that's stuck in my head forever, enjoy
midnight depot
No clue why they put him here
They could just have put the story of the guy in the item lore
This fucking game
I jumped from below through spikes, hoping to get to a platform, but instantly died
fresh hill
lol
now, I think I can't do the Chalice quest for Mega's light arrows until I also get TGT
tracker seems to agree 
midnight depot
TGT?
midnight depot
Oh yeah
You need access to the wall of holy prohibition, mountains of endless dusk, and the sleeping canvases
Plus either three gnarled tongues or the relic that lets you fall through pits and survive
fresh hill
Linen of Golden Thread, yeah
I actually tried getting down there earlier with Linen only and it doesn't work, the platforms are specifically arranged so that falling down without TGT won't work
midnight depot
I see
fresh hill
so my only remaining check for today is a 3rd Amanecida
second try
not that chip needs that any more
lol AND another ice trap
yep that's everything for me
86%
hopefully the hookshot and lantern let you two make some significant progress
midnight depot
I will be able to do the entirety of forest temple
fierce vale
i think i can get the win with what i got, but good ol time constraints
fresh hill
dw, both of my games are also waiting on a yay item
midnight depot
Now that I'm done with blasphemous for the day, let's play a little OoT
What's this? A big bomb bag? For me?! Thanks, Flitter
With the hookshot this much of the map is green again https://i.imgur.com/gq2Ief5.png
I also got requiem of spirit, so let's do that first
Looks like I can do both water and forest temples with the items I have now.
There's the frozen olive
weary lagoon
you're finally gonna meet Morpha..
ancient harness
Remember to use your hookshot
midnight depot
Good afternoon
It's time for me to play some Ocarina of Time
The tracker seems to think I can do more in the Gerudo training ground, but I beg to differ
lament tusk
oh hey lense of truth
neat
lament tusk
do i need the longshot to finish the shadow temple? i cant hookshot m way up to a door
midnight depot
Excellent!
lament tusk
i am so bad at the bongo bongo fight goddamn
midnight depot
Spirit temple boss key and longshot for me
Relic that does literally nothing to Ixrec
lament tusk
there done
used more than all my arrows and 2 fairies
midnight depot
That's all of forest temple, but I still don't have the boss key
Oh wait, I missed the boss key chest
lament tusk
back to BK mode. bottom of the well wasnt helpful it seems, and shadow temple is completed
midnight depot
What do you need now?
lament tusk
progressinve strength and mirror for spirit
i think with those im in go mode
oh light arrows
fresh hill
if I read my in-game hints right, your light arrows are behind my Chalice, which I believe I can do after yay finds my Three Gnarled Tongues
midnight depot
Bottle for meganought
lament tusk
great, i needed to bottle up more feelings
midnight depot
Did you know you can duplicate bugs if you have two bottles?
lament tusk
i didnt
but i know you can scoop up bugs after you've released them so the dirt patch spider hunt can be trivialised
midnight depot
Yes
It's the same trick. You put bugs down, pick them back up
Then pick them back up again with another bottle
lament tusk
ah
midnight depot
I can't get it to work with three bottles
midnight depot
That's enough OoT for now
Next time I want to go through water temple https://i.imgur.com/YDd0yIr.png
midnight depot
Good evening
It's time for me to play more Ocarina
This is what I have left https://i.imgur.com/8EhWLCc.png
So the most efficient route seems to be through water temple first
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What's this? An open door? https://i.imgur.com/4fN6Ycy.png
It was just render distance being two meters
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Ixrec gets a bottle
fresh hill
since I have two dungeons to re-traverse when I get their big keys, more potions is nice
midnight depot
All right
Back to BK mode: https://i.imgur.com/gfQU6DB.png
The remaining entries are night skulltulas (expect Sun Song) and archery minigame (junk reward)
midnight depot
And Hollow Knight had one new check
I still need Spore Shroom to get all the shroom lore items in Hollow Knight, plus left crystal dash and double jump
For OoT I think I just need a way to access Ganon's Castle
fierce vale
i'm still like 30% ahead of my completion goal idk remember if anyone requested anything i can grab
midnight depot
I need my Left Crystal Heart from your Grub-Soul_Sanctum
fresh hill
iirc you had one of my big keys, but my games are also waiting on progression items from yay
midnight depot
Donut Plains 3 - Dragon Coins has your Silvered Lung of Dolphos, Groovy - Dragon Coins has your Three Gnarled Tongues
Chip's Geo_Rock-Fungal_Above_City_Entrance has a Deformed Mask of Orestes
fresh hill
ah the mask was in chip's world, whoops
midnight depot
Chocolate Island 5 - Dragon Coins has Progressive Hookshot for Meganought, and Sunken Ghost Ship - Normal Exit has progressive strength for him
Donut Plains 3 - Normal Exit has mirror shield for Meganought
fresh hill
still, all that lets me do is end the game so I'm not likely to actually use the mask until I get TGT
fierce vale
i shall attempt today or tommorow
midnight depot
Donut Ghost House - Normal Exit Has Big Key for Ice Palace
That looks to be every important item
(In hints)
fresh hill
the last important one is Big Key (Misery Mire) in chip's Lifeblood_Core
midnight depot
Oh yeah
I looked at that one and said "Lifeblood core in the Misery Mire key chest? Probably not useful"
fresh hill
lol
https://archipelago.gg/tracker/kcAcsHTfQqWcWeYOJFA0Wg/0/5 and... swamp palace big key was the one I discovered isn't necessary, so those two Big Keys and I might be able to finish Ixlink
Ixphemous I can complete with just the mask but I'd rather go for a higher completion percentage that requires lung and TGT
midnight depot
I think we're not going to finish the previous game, so here's the spoiler log!
And the most relevant part, the playthrough
In that game, my HK run was supposed to finish last, then yay, then @clear summit with the Ender Dragon (That's why it took so long to find all the items for you!) then Chip's first Hat in Time run, then Wcctnoam, then Chip's second run
And much, much earlier, Artiks then FlitterOoT
Which makes sense since I set my game to end at around 50% of items found
weary lagoon
ye I finished first
midnight depot
The Playthrough file has 72 spheres, and 909 "Mandatory" items that the playthrough expects before everyone finishes
Thanks for playing that last game with me, everyone, and I hope to see you in future ones.
By the way, @sage dawn, it's been a week since you played last. Perhaps you could find a little bit of time to play soon.
fresh hill
neat, the Tunic .apworld dev just submitted a PR to add the game officially to Archipelago, so it might be fully supported by the time I get to play it here
midnight depot
4.3 is so far away though
fresh hill
well, yeah, hopefully we do get to a new game sooner than that lol
midnight depot
Hey, @sage dawn are you gonna play again, or should we just finish the run without you?
If you can't play the game at least a little bit of time every week, things stagnate and people stop having fun.
sage dawn
Sorry just release for me.
lament tusk
you sure?
midnight depot
I understand. I hope to see you next time if you think you can commit a reasonable amount of time
midnight depot
It is done
Important items for Meganought: Hookshot, Ice Arrows, Strength upgrade, bolero of fire, mirror shield.
lament tusk
i need one more strength upgrade then im in go mode
literally everything else i have
midnight depot
For Ixrec: Reliquary of the Sorrowful Heart, Heart of the Single Tone, Big Toe of Limestone, Mark of the Second Refuge, Silvered Lung, Some bones, Three Gnarled Tongues
fresh hill
I believe my go mode is now only waiting on Chipknight finding my Deformed Mask of Orestes at Geo_Rock-Fungal_Above_City_Entrance and my Big Key (Misery Mire) at Lifeblood_Core
midnight depot
Big Key for Ice Palace, for Swamp Palace, Small key for Ganon's Tower, and Ether
fresh hill
Mega: are the light arrows not necessary?
midnight depot
For Chip: Dream Nail
fresh hill
all right, then next session for me is the Chalice run to get those
unless you hint for strength and that's also in one of my worlds
lament tusk
i dont think i have anything else in my world
i think i have a hint left, might as well i suppose
pale_ore-basin in chip's world
midnight depot
Oh that one's fun
fierce vale
confound
midnight depot
You'll need tram pass
fresh hill
basin... I do not remember where that one is
midnight depot
Or uh
It's the middle tram location
You can get to it from King's Station but you need both claws or double jump
fierce vale
got it
midnight depot
That was fast
lament tusk
that was the worst timing
i had just activated a timer switch i was struggling with
thank you though
ok i fucking hate this sensitivity of the controller, i move slightly up and my char moves wildly up
i try to move farther up then down to try counteract things and return to the exact same slightly above or below spot in aiming
its like i can only move in 5 degree intervals but the target is in the 0.1-4.9 degrees arc
midnight depot
This is just OoT
fierce vale
I believe my go mode is now only waiting on Chipknight finding my `Deformed Mask...
got the first one of these the second one is much more annoying 
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[root at 2023-09-15 20:16:28,687]: A client connection was refused due to: {'InvalidSlot'}, the sent connect information was {'cmd': 'Connect', 'game': '', 'items_handling': 7, 'name': 'AeroAHIT', 'password': '', 'tags': ['Tracker', 'IgnoreGame'], 'uuid': '3d3663d53eb4f92f', 'version': Version(major=0, minor=2, build=6)}.
Wrong number
Today I learned of https://archipelago.gg/stats
fresh hill
oh, maybe I should've posted that
midnight depot
A Link to the Past, Kingdom Hearts, Stardew Valley and Hollow Knight are the four most played
fresh hill
it's probably worth mentioning that historically Archipelago started out as an LttP randomizer
fresh hill
and Blasphemous is also down there in the <200 games per month club
feels like bottom 10? though the UI of these charts makes it impossible to get the proper list
midnight depot
It's a niche game
"Archipelago" doesn't sound like a game and I'm unsure what it is
fresh hill
I think I heard somewhere on their Discord that if you use that as the slot name you get a sort of empty spectator slot?
midnight depot
Why not just look at the page?
fresh hill
what page do you mean
midnight depot
The game page in our pins is public and doesn't require you to be a player
fresh hill
oh right
I'm not sure either, that's just a thing I heard
at least it would let your text client have a proper backlog of all items acquired, unlike the site trackers
midnight depot
Hylics 2: 23, Zillions: 29, ArchipIDLE: 44, Adventure: 56, Raft: 82, Secret of Evermore: 98, Wargroove: 100, Lufia 2 Ancient cave: 106, Bumper Stickers: 129, Noita: 167, VVVVV: 174, Checksfinder: 176, DLCQuest: 181, Overcooked 2: 187, Blasphemous: 198
Blasphemous is 14th
lament tusk
ok i fucking hate this sensitivity of the controller, i move slightly up and my ...
fun fact: hoverboots let you bypass this
midnight depot
Suplex the pope for me
fresh hill
I'm guessing you're far enough into HK that king's station doesn't help?
more titanite! 
my Lorquiana was hiding in the Ossuary, huh
midnight depot
King's station is the most convenient central stag
fresh hill
cool, I have the option of Isidora at least
yep, TGT was what I needed to reach the Chalice
midnight depot
Now you gotta do the chalice
fresh hill
yup
midnight depot
Do you know how to do the puzzle in the opposite room?
fresh hill
so, the reason I had ^this reaction back when I found that hint
midnight depot
Oh
fresh hill
this puzzle/sidequest is to kill those three specific enemies and come back here without dying or teleporting
and they're in totally different regions of the map
midnight depot
They're not too far apart
fresh hill
yeah, the route's not bad bad, it just takes long enough you wouldn't do it unless something valuable is at this check
woohoo, thorn upgrade
I'm gonna not shuffle those next time since each individual one does literally nothing
ok I'm done cashing stuff in, let's actually do the chalice path
one down
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The last one unlocks ending A
fresh hill
did not expect to find an item that valuable on my way up
midnight depot
What is it?
fresh hill
your forest temple boss key
midnight depot
Nice. I needed that
fresh hill
I will never manage the climb up Mother of Mothers without at least one censer BONK
fresh hill
||it's oddly satisfying seeing the wreckage of it in the sequel||
survived the spikes along the rooftops
two down
weird horse lift shortcut
midnight depot
This is like the opposite of where they are
fresh hill
well the next step is go straight down with the regular elevator
fresh hill
and back to Albero
I forgot about these two pixel cats having a hiss-off in the background
midnight depot
I love how the town grows as you donate money
midnight depot
Nice work
fresh hill
and thank god I did interpret that hint right
lament tusk
thanks ix! im oficcially go mode now
fresh hill
also I forgot there was a mea culpa shrine here, so now I get to buy those next two upgrades
I think next up I'm gonna spend the third mask to finish up all the stuff in Archcathedral Rooftops, including the Cleofas quest and Crisanta fight
midnight depot
Can you fail and succeed a quest?
fresh hill
if you mean what I think you mean, rando changes that quest so it doesn't end itself early if you show up without the thing
but also I have the thing
midnight depot
I mean can you make Cleofas and Redento meet in the randomizer?
fresh hill
oh "meet" in that sense
midnight depot
If Redento happens to be in the correct stage of his quest, they meet and you get an achievement
midnight depot
The game needs a crawl button
fresh hill
all right, he's dealt with
ah the check is back in Albero
oh I got an achievement
apparently I never did this vanilla
midnight depot
I can't believe you didn't help Cleofas out
fresh hill
CinderedChipmunk's Lightning Stake was hiding in my last health upgrade room, the one blocked on Lung+TGT
aaaaaand I forgot I had to unequip Linen
midnight depot
Lightning Stake is one of the strongest lightning spells
Very short range though
You have to drive the stake right into your enemy's heart
There is no situation where you would ever need four relics simultaneously
The game should allow you to equip all of them
fresh hill
yeah, it is annoying
midnight depot
I wonder if I can make a mod that fixes it
There's already a framework for modding and it includes relics
I know you can just edit the save to have them all equipped
The save is in plaintext encoded in base 64
fresh hill
all right, the moment we've all been waiting for
the final corpse hint of the game!
aaaaaand it's useless
midnight depot
You didn't get the achievement for all corpses
midnight depot
It's a secret to everyone
Also, why does the game make all of the corpses naked? At least half of these are in situations where it's more appropriate to wear clothes
fresh hill
talk about making a terrible first impression
midnight depot
She only says this if you meet the qualifications for ending C
fresh hill
first try but Miracle above there was no reason for it to be that close
lorquiana probably would've been better than crimson mist here, but oh well
midnight depot
Debla of lights gives you invincibility frames
fresh hill
of course I have no hope against her phase 2 like this 
midnight depot
Way better for Crisanta. You parry then cast
midnight depot
One thing I learned is when she tries to parry, don't leave her hanging
Hit her so she parries you, then parry her back
If you don't, the timing for the next attack is much harder
If you do parry her back you get an opening to cast Debla of Lights sometimes
fresh hill
ok, I stand a chance at phase two now
midnight depot
If you stack all the magic reduction beads you can get 82% reduction on all magic damage, assuming multiplicative stacking.
fresh hill
EAT DEBLA
midnight depot
140% reduction if it's additive
fresh hill
well ok bad frame to show it but my final blow was debla
fresh hill
and yeah I did not try to optimize my build before all that
lament tusk
did the bead of blue wax help?
fresh hill
midnight depot
Yeah it gives more magic
fresh hill
you know
technically
there was a part of that fight where I tried to debla and I was missing just a sliver of fervour
so I could have gone into my rosary beads menu and equipped it
but I am not that smart
lament tusk
i probably only got it as you were finishing anyway
fresh hill
close to it
midnight depot
Crisanta is one of the fights where swapping works very well
lament tusk
i got you a sword upgrade for zelda btw
midnight depot
She switches from mostly physical damage to all magic
fresh hill
this part still looks cool though
pope bench unlocked
now to run around grabbing more TGT+Lung items
enjoy
fresh hill
for Hat In Time I'll be enabling all the traps because that rando's traps sound actually fun to deal with, not just you suddenly unavoidably lose health for no reason
midnight depot
Traps in general work better in a synchronized game
fresh hill
indeed
midnight depot
Which is why I'm considering a shorter, synchronized archipelago game if there's enough interest
Something like three hours a weekend for two weeks
fresh hill
I'd be up for that
midnight depot
First I'd need a list of games that can be finished in six hours
fresh hill
ah, right, this room requires both big beads of wax, small beads aren't enough
more stuff chip will never use
very glitchy spike death
finally, it's not a geo rock!
oh btw Flitter, do you know about fast dashing?
it's the only "speedrun trick" for Blasphemous that's so easy even I use it
midnight depot
Do you need the heart from the Amanecidas?
fresh hill
uh
midnight depot
The heart doubles all damage you take but gives you crazy dashing
fresh hill
if you mean Brilliant Heart of Dawn then no, it's not a progression item
midnight depot
Explain then
fresh hill
it's the sort of thing I'd consider equipping for variety if I got it early in a run
oh, "fast dashing" means holding down and left/right while pressing the dash button, which tricks the game into not applying the usual dash cooldown
midnight depot
I've been experimenting with dashing timing but don't have it yet.
Oh holding down is what does it
fresh hill
yeah there's a certain rhythm to it I'm still not great at, but even when I'm getting it half the time it adds up so much
main downside is that anytime I dash over a ladder I have to remember to stop holding down
cool
and that's all the random stuff I had marked on my map
midnight depot
I like hearts
fresh hill
the plan now is Isidora, then the Desecrated Cistern stuff I've been leaving for last, then the final boss
come to think of it, it is fitting that a heart was at one of the heart shrines
great, that was very helpful naked dead guy
midnight depot
You gotta get Chip's 15 geo
lament tusk
time for the ganondorf fight
midnight depot
Break his legs
fresh hill
considering I remember none of how this fight works I'm happy with getting her below half on the first try
especially the part where it won't let me switch prayers midfight and I walked in here with my usual non-boss prayer of Homeward Bone Mirabras
fresh hill
it saves so much time when I'm warping around the world collecting stuff
midnight depot
Just quit to main menu and load the save real quick
fresh hill
lol
midnight depot
Puts you back at your latest spawn point for free, takes less time unless you have the prayer equipped
fresh hill
well, that is why I equip it when I'm doing a cleanup run
anyway I brought lorquiana this time so let's go
fresh hill
second try
chip, your geo is safe 
also yes debla would've been a far better choice there
I forgot how much time she spends hovering off the ground
lament tusk
omg
i fall to the floor, take an hour to climb to the tiny central pillar only to be immidiatly knocked off again by ganondorfs attacks
fresh hill
you mean just like the LttP Moldorm fight
midnight depot
I just use save states
I'm not climbing three floors just for Ganon to fucking this is Sparta me
lament tusk
there, game done
fresh hill
final check in Desecrated Cistern was a Literature Trap
lament tusk
my remaining check was 1500 points
dampe's race flitter did, lonlon milk and epona song i got but the game crashed and i couldnt be bothered to get again
everything else required sarias song which is the only item i dont have
i guess i should !release, right?
midnight depot
Nice work
fresh hill
if one of us said we need an item at those remaining locations
or if one of us found your saria's song
midnight depot
You should !release if you're done playing.
fresh hill
would you want to play more?
lament tusk
not really
fresh hill
then !release away
midnight depot
If you want to look for any remaining checks then don't
lament tusk
left mantis claw i think is useful, not sure about the others
midnight depot
No I was continuing my statement rather than replying to you
fresh hill
oooh
lament tusk
wow only 8 items left
yeah, i was done
fresh hill
I'm not sure exactly how much I have left since I know this outdated (as of a week ago) mod/tracker setup has multiple logic bugs on the tracker side
but it's not a lot
lament tusk
that was fun
thanks for inviting me
couple checks i never want to do, ever, like dampe and 1500 points
thats not a skill issue i swear to christ
fresh hill
oh, check if the rando has settings for that, a lot of them have "disable long/annoying/etc/you know the one checks" options
lament tusk
i dont think this one does
midnight depot
I'm glad you have fun
There's no disabling 1500 points arrows
But we can just cheat it
That's totally what a skill issue is though.
fresh hill
yeah it's time to kill the pope
midnight depot
Oh actually
You can set your YAML to exclude checks
example:
- Deku Theater Skull Mask
- Deku Theater Mask of Truth
- Kak 10 Gold Skulltula Reward
- Kak 20 Gold Skulltula Reward
- Kak 30 Gold Skulltula Reward
- Kak 40 Gold Skulltula Reward
- Kak 50 Gold Skulltula Reward
- GF HBA 1500 Points
- ZR Frogs Ocarina Game```Problem is if you want to get the actual reward you have to do the check
fresh hill
yeah, one of the nice things about 0.4.2 is that now seemingly all the yamls have local_items, non_local_items, start_inventory, start_hints, start_location_hints, exclude_locations and priority_locations
lament tusk
so if i wanted a peice of heart i could do dampe or 1500 points?
fresh hill
my plan for next time is to use priority_locations to ensure most of the bosses in my games have something decent
midnight depot
Yes, excluding it means it doesn't get randomized
lament tusk
i can live with that
and why do people exlude the frogs? thats like the easiest check ever
midnight depot
You need every song
fresh hill
one of my final checks is chip's Drakeblood Greatsword
lament tusk
You need every song
i suppose i never got sarias song
midnight depot
Yeah so it's basically one check that says "Finish the game first."
I've never done an OoT archipelago run that had every song before finishing
fresh hill
right, enough distractions, here we go
first phase is fast when you're fully upgraded
fresh hill
and second phase down
MAXIMUM BLASPHEMY
now I think I have the true ending final final final boss available here
or not
that's right I missed one or two confessor dungeons
I'm still not 100% sure how the true ending requirements work in rando, like, does it matter if I do all the dungeons, or if everyone else finds my thorn upgrades 
but that's why the goal is any ending
I've also got the last couple Amanecidas to fight if I want them
so I won't !release this game yet, in case the mood strikes me to do those last few things
midnight depot
You need to have the final thorn upgrade
fresh hill
ok, makes sense
midnight depot
And you need to break the chains from Crisanta
These are the only two requirements
fresh hill
I'm missing one thorn upgrade
heck let's hint that, I've got 3 hints' worth and I'm curious
makes sense
so probably if chip finds that I'll fire this up to do the last few amanecidas and the true ending boss
but that's optional, the goal is still completed
the other hint I want to do just out of sheer curiosity...
yep, hiding in a corner in the middle of nowhere
(that one's not important)
fresh hill
lol
midnight depot
Requires going through every chainsaw
fierce vale
i can do three dreamers then release
midnight depot
You could
fierce vale
itll feel silly to have turned on the bonus geo for it though
fresh hill
as for my LttP game, I'll play the rest of that as soon as chip finds the Misery Mire (Big Key); I'm about two inches away from Ganon's Tower and only one of those inches is open now so playing it now would just be weird
fierce vale
as for my LttP game, I'll play the rest of that as soon as chip finds the Misery...
unless im misremembering its in an annoying place that needs like,15 total hp
fresh hill
the Lifeblood Core, yeah
I think Flitter said that requirement is different in rando?
fierce vale
oh
fresh hill
but yes if you'd rather beat the game and !release that works too
fierce vale
if i can get it with 12 it should be ezpz to grab ~~tommorow
midnight depot
The requirements are heavily relaxed for it
midnight depot
Good afternoon
I got the last night gold skulltula
It had spore shroom for Hollow Knight
Now it's time to fight Phantom Ganon
He had five rupees
This is all, but with Spore Shroom I can get the last checks in Hollow Knight
midnight depot
And that's every check in Hollow Knight
(The rest being non-randomized but for some silly reason included in the list)
Ah wait, looks like I missed one
Too late
In the tracker that leaves Chip, Ixrec and Me https://i.imgur.com/3WYmfwR.png
midnight depot
Uh
Songs, I guess
I need that one song to do shadow temple
And I have no access to Ganon's Castle
I also need the keys for Gerudo Training Ground
[Hint]: FlitterOoT's Nocturne of Shadow is at Ganons Castle Shadow Trial Golden Gauntlets Chest in FlitterOoT's World. (not found)
I forgot what I need to get to the castle
fresh hill
I never did set up an LttP tracker so I'm not sure how much is available in my world
although
midnight depot
You could do !remaining
fresh hill
I have 64 checks left in LttP, 25 in Ganon's Tower, and 4 behind those two big keys I was waiting for
so nearly half of it is waiting on the big keys anyway
true, worth knowing if there's anything valuable at all or if I should just wait for chip
fresh hill
17 checks left in Blasphemous
fresh hill
I see no progression items in my Blasphemous world except Sharp Shadow:
actually do you need Sharp Shadow to finish HK?
maybe true ending
oh no I'm mixing it up with shade cloak
sharp shadow's "just" a charm
midnight depot
Don't you need the golden thimble for a check?
midnight depot
Well
midnight depot
What's behind that check? Could be the golden thimble, which is necessary for a check
fresh hill
isn't this the multiworld items that are behind my checks?
one of you has to find my golden thimble in order for me to fill it with burning oil
midnight depot
Yes, the joke is it can't be behind itself
lament tusk
i was prepared to do as close to 100% as i could reasonably do if i had everything before meeting ganon, but its fine if you dont lol. im done now anyway but its something i intend to do for any time i play these games with y'all
fresh hill
yeah, I also like to aim for ">90%" when I do these
there's usually a few checks worth skipping unless they have something super valuable, and a few others that get unlocked so late it's not worth booting up the game for, but that should be a small minority
anyway, in my LttP world...
looks like I have a lot of Flitter's stuff
midnight depot
I need those
fresh hill
well this tracker seems to think I can do a lot
place your bets on whether it's anywhere close to the AP logic
(Blasphemous' PopTracker is incorrect in at least 2 places)
and we're off to a very bad start 
ok yeah this is not even close
midnight depot
Does it automatically track what you have opened?
fresh hill
ok, the "standard map tracker" ironically looks more promising than the "keysanity map tracker"
of course it doesn't understand that I shuffled keys so some of those greens are inaccessible, but at least it appears to be aware of how many of these checks I did already
ok this one's totally wrong about dungeon checks, but it might be right about overworld
and since the one AP provides https://archipelago.gg/tracker/kcAcsHTfQqWcWeYOJFA0Wg/0/5 gives me dungeon check counts
I think this might be enough for me to at least go looking for most of the things I might be able to get Flitter before chip has time to get my misery mire key
👀
so that's why they made the shovel a permanent item in rando
but it was for cinderedchipmunk
ok I'm gonna run around the overworld for a bit
midnight depot
Good luck
It's a list of reference guides for the Link to the Past randomizer. Of these, the Essential Glitches guide seems like it might be useful, shoddily written as it is
Most important is the glitch map https://glitchmaps.mfns.dev
fresh hill
looks like unfortunately this tracker is also wrong about several overworld checks
but at least it's close enough to be a decent reminder
TIL this cave exists, and it had your GTG keys
phew, got the rng one first try
midnight depot
phew, got the rng one first try
Doesn't the randomizer make it so you can always do this one fast?
midnight depot
I know that the base randomizer does this to the shovel minigame
Which looks like this
midnight depot
It's called Hype Cave because it has a lot of checks and needs little to access
midnight depot
[Hint]: FlitterOoT's Light Arrows is at Ganons Tower - DMs Room - Bottom Right in Ixlink's World. (not found)
fresh hill
well at least I know it's not in the overworld
TIL bonking into a tree spawns bees
oh mimic cave is that cave
cool, not worth redoing most of turtle rock just for that
and that's the last overworld check this tracker's highlighting
so I think clearing Ice Palace with the big key is the last thing I know to do here
there's almost certainly a few other checks I could get to and just don't know how, like whatever the last one in PoD is, but this'll be plenty until we have a hint pointing at something specific
'twas a stick
midnight depot
Big chest, little stick
fresh hill
oh no, do I seriously need another small key to finish IP?
midnight depot
That's the benefit of keychains
fresh hill
...huh, I don't remember this at all from my vanilla run
midnight depot
Means you only have to do the dungeon once before and once after you get the keys
fresh hill
yeah if I ever do OoT I'll definitely opt for key rings
did I just solve this puzzle completely by accident and never notice it existed?
midnight depot
Maybe
fresh hill
oh I need the small key to reach the switch that lowers the blue blocks
so this is still uncompletable atm
welp so much for that play session
50 checks left, so I found 14
midnight depot
Ah well
fresh hill
GTG keys was worth it
midnight depot
Yeah, I got four checks from that and this leaves me with only shadow temple and ganon's castle
fresh hill
anyway, in my LttP world...
so... I still have your light arrows and two of your songs
and we know the light arrows are in GT
midnight depot
I only need the one song
fresh hill
saria's?
midnight depot
No, the other one
Saria's Song just gets me checks, Nocturne gets me access to Shadow Temple, but I need access to Ganon's Castle for it
fresh hill
oh, Minuet of Forest was the other song I had
midnight depot
That one is just convenience
fresh hill
ok, then we know that I do not have any accessible progression blockers left in my world
gtk
midnight depot
Meanwhile, in non-archipelago news, I figured out how to deal with Quirce when he does four fire dashes in a row. If you stay just next to him and press the parry button the moment the fire stops, his charge attack is parried.
fresh hill
that does sound better than dodging all four
midnight depot
You can't riposte it, but after the fourth there's an opening to cast a spell
fresh hill
also in non-archipelago news
I realized that Yoku's Island Express has an official randomizer mode built into the game
so I'll be alternating between that and NieR
fresh hill
the pinball parts or something else?
midnight depot
The pinball parts
fresh hill
I could stream myself bumbling around if that'd help
midnight depot
Sure!
fresh hill
streaming in #156145528743133186
fresh hill
I've decided to !release my Blasphemous after all
partly because I'll be playing it again next time so there's little point waiting days to do the last 1-2% of it
midnight depot
Makes sense
fresh hill
and partly because I was trying to update the mods and appear to have lost my save anyway
midnight depot
What'd you release?
fresh hill
lament tusk
shit i really could ahve used those 50 rupees
midnight depot
Charm notches are really valuable with randomized costs
How come you couldn't do the confessor dungeon?
fresh hill
I could, just missed it the first time around and didn't feel like going back for it
midnight depot
Oh
fresh hill
the unblocked content was at least one amanecida, that dungeon, the last miriam challenge I can't do anyway, and I think that's it
midnight depot
The Miriam challenges are so bad
Did you know that the order you find the mirrors doesn't matter?
fresh hill
I did
midnight depot
The game assigns them to you from easiest to hardest
So whatever mirror you visit first will always have the easiest platforming
midnight depot
And they're only persistent for that run, so next run you could go to a totally different mirror and get the same content
fresh hill
also I'm an idiot and my multiworld save is completely fine (I launched vanilla when I thought I launched modded)
but I was leaning towards releasing it anyway
midnight depot
Ah good
fresh hill
oooh, so this is what they meant by an "in-game map tracker"
lament tusk
oh thats super neato
midnight depot
Yeah, like in Hollow Knight
fresh hill
and if I choose to disable that particular mod... I can still load the rando game, and it populates the map the normal way
lol, if it picks Archcathedral Rooftops as my random starting location, I can summon the elevator up here but it's down-only
fresh hill
Yeah, like in Hollow Knight
I must've never been too confused last time to find this in my HK mods, how do I enable it?
midnight depot
First, get the archipelago map mod
Then in-game press start and move your mouse to the bottom left
There's a separate list of options in the map screen too
fresh hill
I think I have that, but there appear to be several similarly named map mods
midnight depot
It was renamed
Go to the folder, delete it, reinstall the newer one only
The folder should have both
midnight depot
Yes but inside that one
fresh hill
the setup instructions also say to not have MapChanger but Scarab says it's a dependency of Archipelago Map Mod
oh I see
midnight depot
Forget the guide
It's for an older version
Scarab is correct that it's required now
fresh hill
weird that they updated it to link to Scarab+ but not that part
anyway I deleted the AP... files
and I no longer see those ingame
midnight depot
Excellent! Now install the mod again. This'll ensure you have the most recent version and only that
If you have both versions they'll overlap visually and make things difficult
fresh hill
did that, same v2.0.0 as before, still nothing in bottom left
midnight depot
Weird. Does the map load properly? Do you see buttons and extra text there?
Visit it by pressing select and navigating there
fresh hill
it could be because this is a brand new save so I have no map
fresh hill
oh that would make sense
so it's not a rando map, it's specifically an arch map
oh derp this probably isn't even randomized
midnight depot
Yes it connects to archipelago and gets the map
fresh hill
cool, so I'll look for that when I do an arch test of these games all together
midnight depot
Just connect to my Hollow Knight game to test
midnight depot
In the pins.
archipelago.gg:53774
Name is FlitterHK
fresh hill
lots of interesting side effects from doing that, but it is clearly working now
midnight depot
Yeah it'll give you every item that is not in my world
I recommend the transition 1 mode
fresh hill
oh that's why you two could always pull up the exact logic, it's just in this mod for some reason
fresh hill
"transition 1 mode"?
midnight depot
Center left button in the button panel on the bottom right
Transition 1 mode shows all areas you have access to in gray, hides areas you have no access to, and shows areas you glitched into in red
fresh hill
ok
yeah I think that's enough testing for now
this is definitely the most elaborate of the map mods/trackers on the games I play
fresh hill
my four games now run the gamut from no tracker at all, to functional external map tracker, to seamlessly integrated in-game map tracker mod, to slightly clunky but intimidatingly sophisticated in-game map tracker mod
weary lagoon
I went to BK for the first time in forever on saturday just seemed relevant to this thread
ancient harness
Lmao
lament tusk
nice
fierce vale
nice
fresh hill
@fierce vale think you'll be able to play more soon?
fierce vale
in my defence
i forgor
ill try and grab your key today, 
people keep chucking things at me
fierce vale
funne key gotten
midnight depot
Nice
fresh hill
o
well that changes my plans for the rest of today
oh right, I might still need another ice palace small key, we only found out last session that I was short on small keys there
fierce vale
first dreamer down
midnight depot
Congrats
fresh hill
ugh the room closed again
oh it got assigned a new port
Link needs to pick a few colors and stick to them, this outfit is way too busy
you know what let's just hint my IP key right now
I should've done that the other day
that doesn't sound too hard
first big key door, and already I cannot remember where this teleporter goes
midnight depot
Save state!
midnight depot
that doesn't sound too hard
That's like the most remote item in the game
fresh hill
wait really
isn't there a stag station like two rooms away from beast's den
(even if beast's den itself is a pain to navigate)
that teleporter was completely useless lol
...oh crap I hope I didn't need that small key for something else
(it was a dark room)
fierce vale
what do i need to do to get this dreamer to spawn again?
midnight depot
The dreamer should be spawning right now
Do you have dreamnail?
What's the map say?
fierce vale
ye, i thought it should just spawn
fierce vale
i know, but thats where the dreamer is
i haven't come up here yet, i had to kill the knights on the way up
fresh hill
ah, everyone's favorite boss, the inexplicably dangerous eyeballs
midnight depot
Yes it has your golden falcon shield
So since you collected, the game simply removed the item
fierce vale
thats gonna be annoying if it broke the game from doing so, i woulda thought there'd have been something in the place since i need to kill the dreamers
midnight depot
You do not need to kill the dreamers
You need to collect the "Dreamer" randomized items
fresh hill
grimmkin flame, that's something at least
fierce vale
oh
fresh hill
but yes this is basically why !collect is only a good idea if you can't complete your game without items in other worlds and the other players are being bad at playing their games
midnight depot
Grimmkin flames are no longer something
fresh hill
oh
fierce vale
i'll just release in the future
fresh hill
or I guess if you really want to 100% your game without waiting for EVERY progression item to get found first
right I still have the big chest to get
fresh hill
<a:CatJam:760224883015024730> first dreamer down
ah, so if Monomon was your first
then go for the Deepnest dreamer next, since my go mode key is right next to it, and you have the lantern now
fresh hill
aaaand it's just geo
midnight depot
Actually, it looks like you already got all three of your dreamers, Chip
midnight depot
aaaand it's just geo
It's boss geo, which is a lot more than random 15 geo rocks, at least
fresh hill
true, chip could beeline for the final boss if you want to just !release and end the multiworld quickly
(I am not pushing for this, getting my key the normal way is fine too)
lol my LttP froze
midnight depot
Well judging by the messages Chip's already going to Deepnest: Chipknight found their World_Sense (Geo_Rock-Above_Mask_Maker_1)
midnight depot
Could you simply not do it?
fresh hill
my save file believes I don't have the Misery Mire crystal
midnight depot
If you have configured your bizhawk properly you should be making backup savestates every five seconds
fresh hill
the seven crystals to unlock Ganon's Tower are in their vanilla locations, unlike the HK dreamers
ok no one told me to do that lol (and I won't bother now, too late into this and I'm unlikely to bizhawk anything next time)
midnight depot
That makes sense
It's this setting, but when I read it, I think it doesn't work like that https://i.imgur.com/4LSJndj.png
SaveRAM stores your regular saves, rather than your savestates
fresh hill
wait
fresh hill
oh no, do I seriously need another small key to finish IP?
I'm an idiot, I have the red cane already, I can probably skip this key
and chip found it anyway, so I'm definitely go mode now
saved immediately after the boss, and yep the 6th crystal stuck this time
now for my third time descending into Ice Palace
for once I remembered to use hookshot on the penguins
midnight depot
Nice
fresh hill
yep, red cane works fine here
small key room has the switch for the intended puzzle solution and some random recovery items
ok boss time
midnight depot
Good luck
Oh
Chipknight found their Lore_Tablet-World_Sense (Lore_Tablet-World_Sense)
Chip's finishing the game
fresh hill
that's actually a tough fight because the ice falling from the ceiling randomly decides whether or not it breaks diagonally
anyway, you've got a whispering root, woohoo
immediate save and quit
that's all seven
now for the good part
first, get all four bottles filled with blue potion
midnight depot
Why blue?
fresh hill
now I need to do the usual dimension swapping puzzle to even reach GT
blue recovers both health and mana
midnight depot
Completely?
midnight depot
I was thinking of the Minish cap where blue potions heal less
fierce vale
game completed
fresh hill
nyoom
midnight depot
Nice work
fierce vale
56% according to the game
midnight depot
The 60% includes all geo rocks
And also lore tablets, soul totems
The game assigns percentage points to various achievements
fierce vale
didn't even get the worst ending
fresh hill
fierce vale
though i remain busy so i will go back to playing when items are requested of me
midnight depot
Have fun
fresh hill
I should be good to finish my game at this point
I already have 3 small keys and the big key for GT
I don't know how many small keys GT needs but that's a lot better than walking in with 0
midnight depot
Bob is a side-effect of some of the custom code in ALttPR. He's the upper-right corner of a Heart Piece with some extra flair because he's a re-textured Anti-Fairy. He's said to be related to the code that does or doesn't do a thing if you leave the item on top of Bob's Torch on the Floor 1F of Ganon's Tower.
fresh hill
nice
midnight depot
Oh you got my light arrows
fresh hill
that was your light arrows
how close are you now?
hm, I've already found 3 small key doors down here
midnight depot
fresh hill
but I also found 2 local small keys on top of the shuffled 3 so I'm going to open 2 doors
midnight depot
I think I need a strength upgrade too?
fresh hill
ok that's enough messing around with the lower floors for now
let's make sure I can even get to the top floor
midnight depot
I might need to do shadow temple too
It looks like I actually need to do the trials this time around
There's my progressive strength
fresh hill
ok, had to spend two keys on the way up here so far
hopefully that's the last one
thank goodness it is
fresh hill
there we go
midnight depot
I don't know what that is
fresh hill
the boss of Ganon's Tower, Agahnim II
with Ganon leaving his body because I just beat him
midnight depot
Oh that didn't look much like Aghanim
fresh hill
the actual Ganon fight takes place somewhere else with no dungeon in front of it, so I can refill my potions now
apparently that was 18/27 checks
considering I skipped rooms in the basement to avoid using up a small key I'd need later, I'm fine with that
I'm ready to just finish this anyway
here we go
yes randomizer authors you're very funny
midnight depot
That's a better monologue
midnight depot
Your uncle or whoever he is has his own attic room obviously
fresh hill
uncle, yeah
I could try to find more checks, but I think I'm happy with finding your light arrows legit and beating Ganon
I suspect I'd need a few more keys or other items to truly 100% it anyway
and as we found out the other day none of the trackers I have handy match the AP logic anyway
midnight depot
Yeah, I think I'm in go mode as well but I'll find out when I play next
fresh hill
so I'm gonna !release as soon as the credits end
midnight depot
Well done
midnight depot
Ganon's Tower big key
fresh hill
well, yes, but how is that a "0/22"
midnight depot
Beats me
fresh hill
interestingly the item count there doesn't match our tracker's 212/243 = 87%
but I'm assuming that's because of chip's !collect
midnight depot
The tracker only tracks archipelago items
fresh hill
ah
midnight depot
That is, checks which are available to randomize
fresh hill
midnight depot
Forty two minutes of lag time
fresh hill
looks like your Minuet was the only important item I did not find, and that was more GT stuff that I might've needed another key for anyway
midnight depot
I already did everything relevant to the Minuet the hard way
fresh hill
lol
fresh hill
doing a test run of all four games I want to play next time to be absolutely sure all my setups work, especially after all the recent updates 
confirmed all four games can send a multiworld item, and it shows up in the text client and multiworld tracker
and now... maybe I'll actually play through this "test" game
midnight depot
Oh yeah, I need Din's Fire
I set the shadow temple to require 12 torches, which wasn't impossible to do.
Ah whoops, I can't finish shadow temple without the key ring
So all this leaves to do is Ganon
fierce vale
i think i saw your dins fire somewhere in an annoying place and then got distracted and didn't pick it up
midnight depot
Doesn't show up in the hint list
Though it turned out I didn't need it
All done
"Thank you, Lunk" Words to live by
Final Tracker results https://i.imgur.com/fY0HUif.png
(No Goron Sword :( )
weary lagoon
you won!
midnight depot
I did it
And that concludes this month's game, unless Chip wants to get all the checks https://i.imgur.com/JjLrAuL.png
Thanks for playing with me, @fierce vale, @fresh hill, @sage dawn. Here's the full spoiler log
weary lagoon
And megan
fierce vale
alas i got ganked by having a tonne to do when playing the only one of the games i dont know super well
lament tusk
Glad I could help being an afterthought
No but for real thus was fun
Thank you for setting it all up flitter
midnight depot
Turns out, this seed planned for Meganought to finish last, then yay899, then Blasphemous, then Chip's Hollow Knight, then my Hollow Knight, then my Ocarina of Time, then A Link to the Past, and Dark Souls was intended to finish first.
lament tusk
Wow that did not go as planned at all then
midnight depot
Oh wait, Dark Souls
lament tusk
Can this handle playing games multilayer? Because playing raft with someone here finding oot things would be fun
midnight depot
Dark Souls doesn't even show up as ever finishing in the playthrough file
fierce vale
midnight depot
Can this handle playing games multilayer? Because playing raft with someone here...
No clue
fierce vale
also; at least the factorio one is viable with multiplayer
because it has to be setup on a server
midnight depot
Oh, Dark Souls finishes earlier than anyone else by far.
Iselda_9 (FlitterHK): Cinders of a Lord - Yhorm the Giant (CinderedChipmunk)
In sphere 18
lament tusk
I'm at my grandma's right now
fierce vale
i mean, it finished at roughly the right time then
midnight depot
I plan to organize another game in October, with the same rules, if any of you are interested.
weary lagoon
I thought we were gonna play zelda in october
midnight depot
I'm playing that too
weary lagoon
both at the same time with the same people?
midnight depot
If you want to invite everyone here to Zelda, then I'll delay the October game a month
weary lagoon
yeee
lament tusk
What are we doing with zelda
midnight depot
Ocarina of Time+Majora's Mask multiworld randomizer.
lament tusk
Ah
midnight depot
Everyone finishes both games at once. It's not Archipelago, but it's better integrated
lament tusk
I'm down to join in if you will have me
midnight depot
It uses this randomizer https://ootmm.com
Which you'll need https://github.com/OoTMM/Project64-EM/releases/latest and https://github.com/OoTMM/multi-client/releases/latest for
weary lagoon
you will also need emo tracker if you havent played it before
otherwise we are all doomed
I dont think this multiworld has a built in tracker like archipelago
midnight depot
Yeah, but the archipelago tracker for OoT sucks anyway
lament tusk
I'll have to look at that when I get home
sage dawn
I think I want in on this but an unsure if I can be trusted.
midnight depot
I don't even know if the OOTMM randomizer has emergency release mechanisms so you'd better commit if you do play
fierce vale
how realistic is it to play sem-blind
midnight depot
It'll take you the full forty hours for each game
fierce vale
fresh hill
Can this handle playing games multilayer? Because playing raft with someone here...
the short answer is "in general yes, details depend on the game"
midnight depot
Unless you pick easy settings, I guess
fresh hill
for example, the A Hat in Time Archipelago did some work to support AHiT's online co-op mode, but I don't know the details
midnight depot
If you've played it before it might take you around 25 hours for both with the help of guides and normal settings
fierce vale
sure i'll join, i can probably play like 80 hours anyway
midnight depot
I just finished Blasphemous so I have nothing to play right now
Would be convenient for me if we could start early so I can start playing
fierce vale
i'm busy this week again so you're free to start but i probably wont play much until monday
fresh hill
I'm unsure since I still haven't played MM at all (and, despite being sacrilege, I didn't like OoT as much as other Zeldas 
)
midnight depot
MM is definitely a big improvement on OoT technologically speaking despite being in the same engine
It's more cohesive and both behaves and runs a little better
Also it doesn't have golden skilltulas to hunt
Earlier I watched a solo MM randomizer on GDQ Hotfix
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBHbkXnBuLU
weary lagoon
spikedvegeta played it at sgdq too for all the spikedvegeta fans
midnight depot
Spikevegeta is pretty good
Unfortunately his stream has loud sound effects so I can't listen much
midnight depot
That's a good one
weary lagoon
What if we start saturday september 30
lament tusk
ill be at a con that day and wont be home till late monday
weary lagoon
that's ok you'll be like Goku arriving on Namek late to save everyone
weary lagoon
it works async just like archi
Also it looks like we have to all play with the same settings since one person generates the seed
weary lagoon
I think it only affects me (and yay?) since I would have liked rando entrances
everyone else is a beginner and should have similar settings
so its ok
though im currently trying to figure out what the "distinct worlds" setting does
midnight depot
I looked at that one earlier
weary lagoon
I guess if I shuffle dungeon entrances this setting would mean that my deku tree could be woodfall while your deku tree could be dodongos cavern
so its not relevant for us
midnight depot
When a setting is set to "pick a random thing for this setting" it'll just make each world a different random one
Yeah
Rather than making them all the same style of randomization
weary lagoon
Ive run this 3 times so I think I could do settings that would work well for us
We just have to agree on if we want junk locations
Primarily if we want to set horseback archery 1500 to junk I guess
midnight depot
I'm for that. I'm fine with doing everything else in the game
weary lagoon
I wrote a couple down for myself in summer
OOTMM trash locations
Zora eggs
10 big poes
frogs in MM
Horseback archery game
moon locations
Starting items
Suns song
Bunny Hood
great fairy mask
song of soaring
midnight depot
These all seem reasonable