Archipelago Multiworld Multi-game Randomizer | Manechat | Page 11

midnight depot Sep 5, 2023, 6:04 PM

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Pass

fresh hill Sep 5, 2023, 6:04 PM

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I feel like Mega long passed the point where that's important

midnight depot Sep 5, 2023, 6:04 PM

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I already gave him one deku stick

fresh hill Sep 5, 2023, 6:10 PM

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there's always more titanite apparently

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right, the doors here literally kill you if you look at them funny

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still feels weird seeing these in a Zelda game

fierce vale Sep 5, 2023, 6:17 PM

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i use a couple of miracles! but not anything that cares about quality of talisman

fresh hill Sep 5, 2023, 6:20 PM

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Bow to FlitterOoT

midnight depot Sep 5, 2023, 6:20 PM

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It's optional that you do

fresh hill Sep 5, 2023, 6:21 PM

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stupid spiky oranges

midnight depot Sep 5, 2023, 6:22 PM

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Notes on Titanite:
1- There are different types for different types of weapons. Unspecified titanite is normal. It comes in shards, large shards, chunks and slabs in increasing rarity. You need all of them to bring a weapon to +10
2-Titanite scales improve boss weapons. Twinkling Titanite improves unique weapons.

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And 3- with merchants you can buy all forms of. titanite except slabs, which come in limited amounts — you may only upgrade a few weapons to 10, and most will be 9 at best

fresh hill Sep 5, 2023, 6:24 PM

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spiky oranges defeated

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the next spiky orange killed me

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let my guard down because it was alone

fierce vale Sep 5, 2023, 6:29 PM

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PL_lunateehee whilst the upgrade material randomiser is fun from my side, i may remove it next time because it bloats everyone elses with less fun items

fresh hill Sep 5, 2023, 6:30 PM

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all right, that's half the floors of Turtle Rock covered, tracker says 7/12

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I just realized I don't have ice rod for the boss

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thank goodness for mid-dungeon checkpoints

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B2 CHECKPOINT

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and now I remember the vanilla game warns you not to come in here without mana potions

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too late now, we're death loop brute forcing this

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chaos blade any good?

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and of course the last one's an ice trap

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low health boss fight minus one of the key weapons, let's go rdwut

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ok, yes both rods are a hard requirement, as well as enough magic to actually use them

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so that boss will have to come later

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but I did get every other check, so no chests hiding in secret rooms to worry about

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49% cocothink

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I kinda wanna beat chip's % now, let's check if I can do more in thieves den, then do however much of swamp palace isn't key-blocked

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"the westmost chests in swamp palace contain titanite chunk 15 forcinderredchipmunk and geo rock deepnest for chipknight"

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meh

fierce vale Sep 5, 2023, 6:58 PM

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snarfexplain this is illegal

fresh hill Sep 5, 2023, 6:58 PM

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I have never seen a double hint before either

fierce vale Sep 5, 2023, 7:00 PM

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twicrazy guess i'm doing both dlcs and lothric castle path

fresh hill Sep 5, 2023, 7:02 PM

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fear not fair maiden, the trix rabbit is here to save you

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but also here's some armor for chip

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also rubbish at this fight

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woo third pendant, I think that means I can do aghanim's tower now

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there was one more check in there but I'm missing the small key for it

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50% sweetiegrump

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yep, tower's open

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only two checks in here but oh well, good way to finish the session

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oh, those two checks don't include the boss

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I'm only on 3F out of 7F

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and I need a key anyway

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well that was anticlimactic derpyfacewing

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51%

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let's see if I can get anywhere in swamp palace before declaring soft bk

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oh, and do a few overworld checks involving the mirror

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Arstor's Spear any good?

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Pegasus Boots! rdawwyeah

fresh hill Sep 5, 2023, 7:34 PM

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fresh hill let's see if I can get anywhere in swamp palace before declaring soft bk

I continue to be caught off guard by how many dungeons do not need (shuffled) small keys

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I am so bad at this game cadancewheeze

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I just realized that boss didn't require the big key to reach

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ok, that's 9/10 for this dungeon, the 10th is presumably the big chest in the middle I can't open without the big key

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55%

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during which time chip got 59%

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oh hey my flute

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the race is on

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so pegasus boots and flute/ocarina stuff now

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birb

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I forgot the most obvious check in any Zelda game

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ow

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enjoy your Master Ocarina

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went all the way back up here for... Marmu rdsnrk

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if you say so

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ok chip's game has too many checks, I'm never catching up

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just opened up Misery Mire, making it 58%, I think that's plenty of LttP for today

weary lagoon Sep 5, 2023, 8:10 PM

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wouldnt less checks make it easier to catch up on percentage

fresh hill Sep 5, 2023, 8:10 PM

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I'm more referring to the rate at which chip is finding them

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weary lagoon Sep 5, 2023, 8:11 PM

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thats why they call him sonic the chipmunk

fresh hill Sep 5, 2023, 8:11 PM

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almost exactly 3x the checks, but they're finding them ~5x faster, so they were still racing ahead in %

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granted, that's in part because chip's DS3 was BK at <10% until recently, so they likely don't need to revisit areas with later gear as much as I'm doing

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anyway, Blasphemous time

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the bones have given yay a 1-up

fierce vale Sep 5, 2023, 8:22 PM

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rdsnrk i am going through this pretty fast

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but also theres a fair number of lumped checks

fresh hill Sep 5, 2023, 8:23 PM

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yeah, I'd expect them to cluster a bit more in DS3 than they do in LttP

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biggest clusters I recall in LttP are a few random caves with 4-5 chests in them, but I think I found all of those in previous sessions

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let's start with WotHP, at least as far as Key of the Secular takes me

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yep, we do need Key of the Scribe to read Quirce

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oh chip that's your Crystal Guardian fight

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have fun

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next... let's do the two bosses I walked by without fighting in my last session

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moving floor/arena fights are so much fun when they're done right

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EAT DEBLA

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yeah this spell might be slightly OP with my current loadout

fresh hill Sep 5, 2023, 9:02 PM

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"He left one day, and we never heard from him again. Please give him this."

Ice trap

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welp, you've sent me enough money that we're doing the stupid check now

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come ooooon literature trap

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geo rock

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I am both satisfied and disappointed

fierce vale Sep 5, 2023, 9:32 PM

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CatJam i think i can do everything but the soul of cinder

fresh hill Sep 5, 2023, 9:32 PM

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do you care about "Vilhelm's Helm"?

fierce vale Sep 5, 2023, 9:33 PM

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nope

fresh hill Sep 5, 2023, 9:33 PM

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cool

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seeing this item in a random shop feels disrespectful rdsnrk

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(normally you acquire it by equipping a certain bead and then dying a few times, so it's very specifically your guilt, and that's why it somehow makes sense as a true ending item)

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enjoy your $9999 grub

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why did I slide there

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I was just here I knew there were spikes

fierce vale Sep 5, 2023, 9:37 PM

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UraWheeze welp, one of my completion items is like 90% of the way through the ringed city

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woke wait, thats my last one

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twicrazy i can go beat my save! i can win the ~~race~~ not competition

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that is tommorow mes job though, i played way to much today rdsnrk

fresh hill Sep 5, 2023, 9:40 PM

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did your game go directly from 8% BK to completable?

fierce vale Sep 5, 2023, 9:41 PM

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there were more checks, people just got them whilst i was playing

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and i would be skipping 2 zones, 1 which has a bunch of required progression items to do

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this is one of the core ones that lets me do it

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there's also the archive key and something else i got while playing that i've forgotten PL_lunateehee

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(it also helps that to win you get 4 key items then teleport there, so it doesn't matter how you get those key items, i think only 1 of those were in my world?)

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well 2, the one i haven't got yet too

fresh hill Sep 5, 2023, 9:45 PM

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duh, I specifically disabled shuffling Jocinero's rewards so I should've known Linen of Golden Thread was right where it is in vanilla

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oh, so in principle if we found those 4 items very early, how much of your game would you have to do?

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ok that's all of my non-final non-DLC bosses except Quirce dealt with

fierce vale Sep 5, 2023, 9:48 PM

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fs_fascinating

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if you just get sent all 4 from other worlds before you start you can probably win with like 1% completion if not less

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i dont know how it rounds

fresh hill Sep 5, 2023, 9:51 PM

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neat

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is that unique to DS3?

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I keep forgetting to ask if there's any deep reason why only 3 has an Archipelago setup

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time to fall into a bunch of no-longer-bottomless pits

fierce vale Sep 5, 2023, 9:54 PM

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NamazuThink you cant do that in ds1, that requires killing the bosses, dark souls ii win condition is lighting primal bonfires then going and killing the final boss (which is nowhere near the spawn)

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so ye, at least in the soul franchise its unique

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ds 1 and 2 both are in progress apparently

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they both have the slight problem of having 2 pc versions of the game, on ds1 only 1 is on sale anymore (mods are semi compatable but it would defo require 2 versions) and ds2 has significant differences to enemy and item placement so would also need to be custimised per

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this ones ds2: scholar so they're just targetting newest

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aparently ds1 hasn't had any updates on its progress in a while, and ds2:scholar is going to be based off the existing randomiser so shouldn't be as much work

fresh hill Sep 5, 2023, 10:04 PM

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and there's the heart container I tried to get on day one when I misunderstood how the randomizer handled this area

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nice, found your shopkeeper's key

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izzyooh

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wait

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I WAS KIDDING

fierce vale Sep 5, 2023, 10:20 PM

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rdsnrk

fresh hill Sep 5, 2023, 10:24 PM

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still a very cool gravestone/statue

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but, lol, more titanite

fierce vale Sep 5, 2023, 10:27 PM

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rdsnrk i believe theres around like 300 titanite/throwing knives/other consumables checks

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hence the comment about prob not rng'ing it next time despite it being funner on my part

fresh hill Sep 5, 2023, 10:28 PM

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that helps explain why your check count is so high

fierce vale Sep 5, 2023, 10:28 PM

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~~unless everyone else plays with way more checks~~

fresh hill Sep 5, 2023, 10:28 PM

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yeah next time I'm gonna put some thought into check count with my yamls at least

fierce vale Sep 5, 2023, 10:29 PM

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yeah, when i made the settings, the option of "add consumables, upgrade materials, and estus upgrades to randomiser" waas the fidelity of it

fresh hill Sep 5, 2023, 10:29 PM

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I'll likely be doing ~2 games I've archipelago'd before so I'll have a reference for roughly how many checks to expect even if the generators don't expose that information upfront

fierce vale Sep 5, 2023, 10:30 PM

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sunsetsneak i might be cruel to myself and do some dumb shit like a shield only run next time

fresh hill Sep 5, 2023, 10:31 PM

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my Tunic setup test quickly turned into an actual run because oops I like that game, and it was almost a weaponless run by sheer bad luck, which is fun once, but I'll definitely enable start_with_sword next time

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or, as a veteran of the Tunic rando in the arch server put it:

Scipio — Today at 2:35 PM
Wow what a rude ass seed lmao

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I forgot how hard everything hits in Mourning and Havoc starlightexhausted

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not gonna finish this area tonight after all

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phew, finally made the 2nd checkpoint

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I just wanna see the boss before calling it quits

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oh thank goodness there is a shortcut here

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yay it's the giant ship-eating snake boss flutteryay

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yep I am not ready to actually kill it quite yet

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and that leaves me at...

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that's one heck of a coincidence

midnight depot Sep 6, 2023, 7:45 AM

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Turns out this achievement only requires Salubra's blessing https://i.imgur.com/GwwDKtc.png

Imgur

fierce vale Sep 6, 2023, 8:28 AM

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rdsnrk yup, theres a couple like that, the station one too

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FujiTeehee good ol' i originally didn't play on steam

midnight depot Sep 6, 2023, 8:31 AM

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I have Jailer's Key ring for Chip, but I need another simple key to get it

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[Hint]: FlitterHK's Herrah is at Sahasrahla's Hut - Middle in Ixlink's World. (not found) @fresh hill

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[Hint]: FlitterHK's Queen_Fragment is at PC: Eleonora in CinderedChipmunk's World. (not found)
[Hint]: FlitterHK's Void_Heart is at Vessel_Fragment-Deepnest in Chipknight's World. (not found)

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I need these items to finish my Hollow Knight game

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[Hint]: FlitterHK's Simple_Key is at Sahasrahla's Hut - Left in Ixlink's World. (not found)

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And I need the simple key to you the Jailer's key ring.

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[Hint]: FlitterHK's Left_Crystal_Heart is at Grub-Soul_Sanctum in Chipknight's World. (not found)

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I need this for a few more checks

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[Hint]: FlitterHK's Love_Key is at Mini Moldorm Cave - Far Right in Ixlink's World. (not found)

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And this for yet more

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Fucking killed in my own home by ice traps https://i.imgur.com/wtdYtoI.png

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lament tusk Sep 6, 2023, 8:39 AM

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yeah i got like 4 of them last night lol

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get shrecked skrub

midnight depot Sep 6, 2023, 8:41 AM

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Looks like I got double defense, Nayru's love, second ocarina, more bombchus, and a lot of hearts

lament tusk Sep 6, 2023, 8:41 AM

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i dont think i found any of those

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but ill take the credit so long as you never actually check the logs

fierce vale Sep 6, 2023, 8:54 AM

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ran around and spent a bunch of my geo, not playing properly for a bit, but does anyone need/want any of these, i've bought all the things i think are important everywhere

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~~i can not buy the grub due to lack of charms~~

lament tusk Sep 6, 2023, 8:56 AM

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i desperately need 10 arrows
thats absolutely critical

fierce vale Sep 6, 2023, 8:56 AM

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saluteHusky

lament tusk Sep 6, 2023, 8:56 AM

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(it was a joke)

fierce vale Sep 6, 2023, 8:57 AM

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(i know)

lament tusk Sep 6, 2023, 8:57 AM

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(good, i wasnt sure)

fierce vale Sep 6, 2023, 8:57 AM

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(thats quite fine)

midnight depot Sep 6, 2023, 9:03 AM

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Thanks. I love keys

fierce vale Sep 6, 2023, 9:06 AM

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🤘

midnight depot Sep 6, 2023, 9:33 AM

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How do I deal with this room without bombs?

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I can use bombchus but it's very finicky and I can't get new ones

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Turns out you can just shoot the crystal switch with a bow and run

fresh hill Sep 6, 2023, 9:42 AM

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fierce vale ran around and spent a bunch of my geo, not playing properly for a bit, but does...

the rosary knot and dried clove would be nice, the others are beads I'd never use, nothing critical

fierce vale Sep 6, 2023, 9:42 AM

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🤘

fresh hill Sep 6, 2023, 9:42 AM

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I could've sworn I checked sahasarawhatever's hut

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ice rod!

midnight depot Sep 6, 2023, 9:48 AM

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Yes

fresh hill Sep 6, 2023, 9:49 AM

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oooh, now I remember, I checked here in the dark world

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enjoy

midnight depot Sep 6, 2023, 9:49 AM

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Thanks for Herrah

lament tusk Sep 6, 2023, 9:50 AM

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midnight depot How do I deal with this room without bombs?

im sorry flitter, i really struggle with the race
is there a way to skip the race and 1500 points for the gerudo shooting range?

midnight depot Sep 6, 2023, 9:50 AM

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Yeah!

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You can cheat the items in

fresh hill Sep 6, 2023, 9:50 AM

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I thought flitter was going to dip for the bombs?

midnight depot Sep 6, 2023, 9:50 AM

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Not unless I actually need bombs

fresh hill Sep 6, 2023, 9:50 AM

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ah

midnight depot Sep 6, 2023, 9:51 AM

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There are two bomb bags in the world, so I'm bound to find the other one eventually

fresh hill Sep 6, 2023, 9:52 AM

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and while I have LttP running, let's use that palace of darkness big key

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...I've completely forgotten the route to this boss door

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found it

midnight depot Sep 6, 2023, 9:59 AM

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Good

fresh hill Sep 6, 2023, 10:00 AM

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ez

midnight depot Sep 6, 2023, 10:00 AM

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It's Volvagia time for me. I still need the hookshot to get the final check in fire temple

fresh hill Sep 6, 2023, 10:00 AM

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still missing two checks in palace of darkness, but no idea where so that's "done" for now

midnight depot Sep 6, 2023, 10:03 AM

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Yo, fire keeper robes. That's peak fashion souls

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Volvagia also dropped the goron ruby, fittingly

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So that's all the items I need to make the Ocarina of Time check

fresh hill Sep 6, 2023, 10:05 AM

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(gotta do actual work for a bit)

midnight depot Sep 6, 2023, 10:07 AM

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How valuable is the Zarabanda of Safe Haven?

fresh hill Sep 6, 2023, 10:08 AM

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shield spell, I won't use it

midnight depot Sep 6, 2023, 10:08 AM

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Then that's 940 rupees saved

midnight depot Sep 6, 2023, 10:30 AM

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I forgot that I had the hover boots in a shop, locked behind the tycoon wallet

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With the hover boots I did a skip to reach a hookshot place that had song of storms

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The hover boots need a soap bar skin

lament tusk Sep 6, 2023, 10:46 AM

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Lol yes

midnight depot Sep 6, 2023, 11:11 AM

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FlitterOoT sent Calamity Ring to CinderedChipmunk (Spirit Temple Statue Room Hand Chest)

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Now that you have it, you gotta use it

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(Calamity Ring doubles all damage taken for no benefit)

fierce vale Sep 6, 2023, 11:12 AM

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izzymwahaha the benefit is that i'm already cracked and it just proves it

midnight depot Sep 6, 2023, 11:17 AM

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[Hint]: FlitterOoT's Progressive Hookshot is at WotHP: Lower east room, top silver cell in Ixphemous's World. (not found)

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Time for a break

fresh hill Sep 6, 2023, 11:18 AM

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yep, that requires silver key / Key of the Scribe

fierce vale Sep 6, 2023, 11:20 AM

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sneakybelle time to only collect flitters victory items once i win ~~ if only i didn't wanna complete base game before dlc~~

fresh hill Sep 6, 2023, 11:25 AM

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ok back from work distraction

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let's kill the turtle

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oh, fyi, assuming I interpreted hints and remembered room layouts correctly, Mega's light arrows are blocked on my Chalice of Inverted Verses, which is blocked on yay getting my Three Gnarled Tongues from "Groovy - Dragon Coins"

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(and kinda soft blocked on silver key because the sane Chalice route goes through that area)

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yeesh, having to get all the way back to the boss is much harder than I remember

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apparently the room with a turret and two orange spike towers relocked so I have to fight them again, and I only have one bottle so that needs to be saved for a mana potion

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right, without being actually good at the game, abusing mid-dungeon checkpoints is the only viable option

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here goes

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couldn't even kill one head izzywhat

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I do not remember it being hard once I had both rods

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ok phase 2

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frick

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oooh I figured out why it's hard

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I only have boring vanilla Master Sword

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normally you'd have Spicy Sword if not Butter of Destiny by now

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THERE we go

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Captain's Ashes?

fierce vale Sep 6, 2023, 12:04 PM

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shop item, idk whats locked behind them, but not progression CatJam

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dumbtiktok big ass arrows if i decide i wanna start uszing greatbows

fresh hill Sep 6, 2023, 12:05 PM

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gonna double-check Aghanim's Tower since the tracker says 1 key and I don't remember if I had that going in last time

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nope, inside the tower I have 0, so I must've already spent that

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ok, Misery Mire time, that's the only dungeon I haven't even started yet (besides Ganon's Tower ofc)

fresh hill Sep 6, 2023, 12:25 PM

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nice, managed to reach both sides of a small key door without spending a key on it

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I remember this room sweetiegrump

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and that's the last check I can get without the big key

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I think that's soft BK mode for my Link at 62%

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I've visited every dungeon except Ganon's Tower and gotten everything not blocked on an additional key

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oh and I just remembered one overworld place I can go

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the pegasus boots gravestone which normally has the magic cape has... more titanite! rdwut

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now that is soft BK

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I should probably mention that Ganon's Tower has a lot of checks in it (by LttP standards), 2-4x as much as the other dungeons, so the odds of something valuable waiting in there are pretty high

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but I need to kill every boss to open that up, which I believe requires 2 of my 3 remaining big keys

midnight depot Sep 6, 2023, 12:41 PM

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Hint time?

fresh hill Sep 6, 2023, 12:41 PM

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hm

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agreed

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ok, swamp palace was the one where I got 9/10 including boss without the big key

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so Ice Palace and Misery Mire are the big keys I probably need to reach Ganon's Tower

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@sage dawn @fierce vale

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sweet, more bile vessels

midnight depot Sep 6, 2023, 12:47 PM

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To reach lifeblood core you normally need 14/15 blue masks

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But in the randomizer this requirement is reduced

fresh hill Sep 6, 2023, 12:47 PM

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makes sense

midnight depot Sep 6, 2023, 12:48 PM

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There's an arcane egg in the same room. Normally if you don't get the egg first you'll be locked out forever once you get the core.

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In the randomizer you can come back any time you like

fresh hill Sep 6, 2023, 12:52 PM

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over in Blasphemous I think all I can really do is fight the snake boss, check if I have enough bones to fight the other DLC boss, and then there's a tiny bit of the Archcathedral Rooftops I could probably do without either of the remaining masks

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actually

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that settles it, after work I'll do just enough to earn that second hint, then we'll find out where my other two masks are

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10 rupees says at least one is in Ganon's Tower

fierce vale Sep 6, 2023, 12:55 PM

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dumbtiktok first gimic boss done without the gimic

midnight depot Sep 6, 2023, 12:55 PM

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Why

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Doesn't it take like half an hour?

fierce vale Sep 6, 2023, 12:56 PM

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rarityspeechless i had not stopped to ask myself this

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||it doesn't take that long, it took like 5-10 minutes||

midnight depot Sep 6, 2023, 12:56 PM

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Oh

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Plunging attacks are just so fun I couldn't really kill the boss without them

fierce vale Sep 6, 2023, 12:57 PM

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rdsnrk yeah, i dont think i've done this one without the gimic before so i thought "why not"

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its basically an easier version of ancient dragon from ds2

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huh, the items in the ancient wyvern arena aren't randomised

fierce vale Sep 6, 2023, 1:39 PM

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CatJam first attempt this run lets go

midnight depot Sep 6, 2023, 1:41 PM

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Nameless King has the best theme of any boss

fierce vale Sep 6, 2023, 1:42 PM

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sneakybelle completion is on the horizon

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PL_lunateehee not that i can 100% clear irythll dungeon yet due to needing key items

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CatJam like 3 checks i need in there behind keys

midnight depot Sep 6, 2023, 1:51 PM

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Here's your jailer's key ring!

fierce vale Sep 6, 2023, 1:54 PM

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rdsnrk good timing!

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one check remaining that requires the jail breakers key\

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UraWheeze one of two checks from it

sage dawn Sep 6, 2023, 1:57 PM

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I need Yoshi to get off donut Island pretty much. I've been in bk mode like this entire time.

fierce vale Sep 6, 2023, 1:57 PM

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can you hint for it?

sage dawn Sep 6, 2023, 1:57 PM

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I don't think I've done enough checks

fresh hill Sep 6, 2023, 1:58 PM

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we should really have a hint or two available at the start for cases like this

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Flitter, can you hint Yoshi?

fierce vale Sep 6, 2023, 1:59 PM

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twicrazy in before its a crystal lizard i missed and forgot to go back for

weary lagoon Sep 6, 2023, 2:00 PM

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with progression balance off it could be at the end of someones game

midnight depot Sep 6, 2023, 2:00 PM

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Oh

sage dawn Sep 6, 2023, 2:01 PM

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Yeah lol

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P-speed and cape also works but I think logic is pointing towards yoshi

midnight depot Sep 6, 2023, 2:01 PM

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Yoshi is in ||Bottom of the Well Center Skulltula Chest (FlitterOoT): Yoshi (Yay899SMW)||

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Can't get there yet.

fresh hill Sep 6, 2023, 2:02 PM

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speaking of, what did everyone do for progression balance this game?

sage dawn Sep 6, 2023, 2:02 PM

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Off

midnight depot Sep 6, 2023, 2:03 PM

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Here's everyone's settings:

📎 message.txt

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(You can also derive them from the YAML files)

fierce vale Sep 6, 2023, 2:03 PM

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i left mine at default

midnight depot Sep 6, 2023, 2:04 PM

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I did the usual. All locations accessible (more game for me) and 50 balance

fresh hill Sep 6, 2023, 2:04 PM

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iiuc all games default to 50, I set mine to 75 this time since I like not being blocked but I suspect it also caused people to need less stuff from me, and next time I'll likely be playing even more games, so I might try 25 next time and see how different that feels

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yeah, apparently items v locations is the same in practice for most games so I didn't bother tweaking that

midnight depot Sep 6, 2023, 2:06 PM

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Keys that don't do anything aren't items

fresh hill Sep 6, 2023, 2:07 PM

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yep that's the main one

midnight depot Sep 6, 2023, 2:08 PM

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Wow, I went AFK for a few minutes and someone found me the charm I needed to get this check for Chip

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https://i.imgur.com/TfL2wwg.png

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weary lagoon Sep 6, 2023, 2:08 PM

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bro you have 200k geo..

midnight depot Sep 6, 2023, 2:09 PM

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Yeah! I left the game running with that mod charm that gives you geo based on the log of how much geo you already have

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And came back after like 18 hours

fresh hill Sep 6, 2023, 2:10 PM

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I just rely on other people finding money since all these games have more than enough money being shuffled around

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both of my games passed the point where I could basically buy the kingdom I'm running around in

midnight depot Sep 6, 2023, 2:10 PM

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Since it's log based, I get 26 geo even with 200k

fresh hill Sep 6, 2023, 2:10 PM

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so I donated it all to church ppenk

midnight depot Sep 6, 2023, 2:10 PM

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(and like 6 geo when I have 1 geo)

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Someone please find me my tier 2 dream nail https://i.imgur.com/wdUHiHs.png

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I need this ice trap

fresh hill Sep 6, 2023, 2:13 PM

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I love that message

midnight depot Sep 6, 2023, 2:15 PM

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Bomb Bag for Meganought

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And that's every check from the mothgirl

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Time to see what Song of Storms can get me

weary lagoon Sep 6, 2023, 2:28 PM

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storms

midnight depot Sep 6, 2023, 2:34 PM

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FlitterOoT sent Bottle (Green Potion) to Ixlink (KF Storms Grotto Chest)

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Bottles sometimes have water in them

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Water is like storms

fierce vale Sep 6, 2023, 2:40 PM

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CatJam second gimic fight done without the gimic

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~~this time because i didn't have the gimic weapon~~

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CatJam 198 bolts and like 90 arrows to the rescue

midnight depot Sep 6, 2023, 2:41 PM

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Found Yoshi!

fierce vale Sep 6, 2023, 2:41 PM

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~~i missed most the bolts, the avelynn is surprisingly inaccurate~~

midnight depot Sep 6, 2023, 2:41 PM

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@sage dawn

fierce vale Sep 6, 2023, 2:42 PM

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snarfexplain oh no, now yays gonna win before me or flitter || PL_lunateehee ||

weary lagoon Sep 6, 2023, 2:42 PM

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fierce vale Sep 6, 2023, 2:43 PM

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CatJam now its time for the dlcs

sage dawn Sep 6, 2023, 2:44 PM

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Oh shit. I'll play some when work cools down

midnight depot Sep 6, 2023, 2:46 PM

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I'm running really low on bombchus

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Good thing I was conserving them. Turns out lots of things need explosions

fresh hill Sep 6, 2023, 2:56 PM

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ooh, Bead of Red Wax, that might give me a few checks but I'm still not sure how rando deals with those candles

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did you just find my second LttP bottle?

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snake time

midnight depot Sep 6, 2023, 3:04 PM

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You need two?

fresh hill Sep 6, 2023, 3:04 PM

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well, I don't need any

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but that turtle rock fight would've been a lot easier with two potions on me

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just amusing timing

midnight depot Sep 6, 2023, 3:04 PM

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Why not fairies?

fresh hill Sep 6, 2023, 3:05 PM

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still no net to catch fairies with

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and iiuc I have enough hearts now that potions are better than fairies

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cool, that was enough bones to unlock the other DLC boss

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or wait no, mixed up my NPC dialogue

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that one just means we're close

midnight depot Sep 6, 2023, 3:08 PM

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Blue Switch Palace for yay

fresh hill Sep 6, 2023, 3:11 PM

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and the blue bead, nice

midnight depot Sep 6, 2023, 3:11 PM

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What's it do?

fresh hill Sep 6, 2023, 3:11 PM

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not much but might let me get a few checks

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in vanilla, the first time you find and extinguish certain red and blue candles, you get Small Bead of Red/Blue Wax which is a ~~charm~~ rosary bead that slightly increases max health / fervour, and later in the game you'll find more of these candles and the bead will get bigger

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I'm guessing the way rando works is someone needed to find these beads in their worlds before I could start extinguishing the candles to get those checks

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yep that is how it works

midnight depot Sep 6, 2023, 3:16 PM

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I see

fresh hill Sep 6, 2023, 3:25 PM

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you happened to get my garlic when I could immediately cash it in, and it gave you geo

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all right, now it's snake time

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yeah this is a Seguiriya boss

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hm, yes, all that effort was worth it for 20 rupees

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enjoy your holy ice trap

midnight depot Sep 6, 2023, 3:53 PM

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Stop sending me skulltulas. I got 50 already

fierce vale Sep 6, 2023, 4:00 PM

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CatJam dlc1 done

midnight depot Sep 6, 2023, 4:02 PM

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Thanks for the egg

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I followed the quest chain to the end and got my Lens of Truth

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Just in time to do the Bottom of the Well

fresh hill Sep 6, 2023, 4:03 PM

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I believe I'm in BK mode for both my games now

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again with the weirdly similar %s

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nearly everything I can think of that I have not done is blocked on 3rd mask, silver key, silvered lung and TGT, most of which we've hinted before

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and all the exceptions are give 1 quest item to 1 NPC for 1 check

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actually chip found two of the keys I need in LttP so I could so a smidge more there now, but I'll save that for later unless someone needs a specific item

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because of how my windows are overlapping I got overexcited here for a second ppenk

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but it's just the map

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if I do LttP again I should probably turn off compass shuffle and maybe also map shuffle; at least money/ammo/health are useful in aggregate

fierce vale Sep 6, 2023, 4:35 PM

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sbstare twin princes done, 4 more bosses total ~~and then next ones my completion~~

fresh hill Sep 6, 2023, 4:37 PM

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considering your DS3 completion % is now triple your HK %, I'm guessing you still badly need the lumafly lantern? rdsnrk

fierce vale Sep 6, 2023, 4:38 PM

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nah, i was just playing it whilst working

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rdsnrk and i've played enough of this game that i can zoomie without thinking

fresh hill Sep 6, 2023, 4:39 PM

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are you using a tracker?

fierce vale Sep 6, 2023, 4:40 PM

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vaguely? the ds3 is pretty bad

midnight depot Sep 6, 2023, 4:40 PM

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DS3 has a tracker but it's not super good. Hollow Knight has a tracker but it's super complicated

fierce vale Sep 6, 2023, 4:40 PM

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most items aren't on the exact spot and are far enough away it can be confusing

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(also it doesn't tick what you can get/ what you got)

fierce vale Sep 6, 2023, 5:02 PM

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izzymwahaha it was me, i won

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PL_lunateehee wait no, not a race, i remember

fresh hill Sep 6, 2023, 5:04 PM

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I think the rest of us all are or were blocked anyway rdsnrk

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naturally, now yay starts finding all of your stuff

sage dawn Sep 6, 2023, 5:37 PM

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I regret randomizing dragon coins

midnight depot Sep 6, 2023, 5:38 PM

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I watched so much SMW and I have no idea what anything is still

fierce vale Sep 6, 2023, 6:11 PM

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twicrazy and thats all bosses

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CatJam 16 hours almost on the dot

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ppenk i'd missed more than i thought i did, but they're scattered randomly so i aint goin and grabbin em all

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94% with 30 missing checks NamazuThink i coulda sworn i got some of the locations though? so they may have been broken

fresh hill Sep 6, 2023, 6:13 PM

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tbf for a >700 item game !release that's not very much

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sadly no progression items for me

fierce vale Sep 6, 2023, 6:14 PM

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flitter can now get that ice trap for yay though

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fs_fascinating

midnight depot Sep 6, 2023, 6:29 PM

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You got me dreamnail, second magic meter, dreamshield charm, shopkeeper's key, a grub

fierce vale Sep 6, 2023, 6:38 PM

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CoolCat

midnight depot Sep 6, 2023, 6:43 PM

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And the shopkeeper had these items https://i.imgur.com/IJmF209.png

Imgur

fresh hill Sep 6, 2023, 6:44 PM

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more base sword damage is always nice

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I know the sword's name being Mea Culpa is supposed to be a whole deep statement about guilt and penance and all but since I'm not used to that language it just sounds like "my bad" every time

midnight depot Sep 6, 2023, 6:45 PM

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Yeah, it's really funny

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I've started playing Blasphemous, and it's the best part

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https://i.imgur.com/5R6oYU9.png

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Pleasingly close numbers

midnight depot Sep 7, 2023, 8:12 AM

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Good afternoon. Time for a spot of Hollow Knight

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No new checks!

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Well, at least I did the flower quest real quick

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(It's a lot easier with benchwarping)

midnight depot Sep 7, 2023, 8:42 AM

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On the other hand, in OoT I finally got a bomb bag!

lament tusk Sep 7, 2023, 8:48 AM

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great now i donthave to do the dampe race

fresh hill Sep 7, 2023, 9:10 AM

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oh yeah, benchwarp is a mod so the flower quest doesn't know to forbid it

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the Chalice of Inverted Verses is Blasphemous is similar in that you have to travel halfway across the map without dying or teleporting (at least you're allowed to take damage), but since Prie Dieu warp is vanilla it knows to forbid that

midnight depot Sep 7, 2023, 9:12 AM

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All benchwarping does is cut out the long trek where you kill all enemies in the way before taking the quest

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And then the hazard-free trip to the Queen's Gardens bench.

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The hazards start from that point onwards

fresh hill Sep 7, 2023, 9:12 AM

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indeed, it's not "hard" per se, just takes a while

midnight depot Sep 7, 2023, 9:13 AM

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So in effect, it allows you to try and retry the hardest part

fresh hill Sep 7, 2023, 9:13 AM

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come to think of it I might actually use that shield spell for my chalice run just to be super safe

midnight depot Sep 7, 2023, 9:31 AM

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Thanks for the up spell

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Here's a piece of heart

lament tusk Sep 7, 2023, 9:32 AM

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last chistmas
i gave you my heart
and the very next day
yiou gave it away

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technically i think im basically in BK mode but the shadow temple can be done without eye of truth

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so im bypassing logic

fresh hill Sep 7, 2023, 9:34 AM

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I think this is all a bit scattered atm, so to recap my BK status:

progression or 10+ check items:

Key of the Scribe at Chipknight's Boss_Geo-Crystal_Guardian
I believe this would let me reach Chipknight's Lumafly Lantern and Meganought's Light Arrows and Flitter's Progressive Hookshot
Deformed Mask of Orestes at Chipknight's Geo_Rock-Fungal_Above_City_Entrance
this lets me finish and !release Blasphemous
Big Key (Misery Mire) at Chipknight's Lifeblood_Core
Three Gnarled Tongues at Yay899SMW's Groovy - Dragon Coins [Chocolate Island]
Big Key (Ice Palace) at Yay899SMW's Donut Ghost House - Normal Exit [Chocolate Island]
Silvered Lung of Dolphos at ???

other nice to haves that got revealed:

Dried Clove at Chipknight's Salubra_4
Knot of Rosary Rope at Chipknight's Salubra_2

midnight depot Sep 7, 2023, 9:36 AM

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I got you a bead of red wax. That's almost as good

fresh hill Sep 7, 2023, 9:37 AM

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hm, does chipknight have a route to Crystal Peak without the lantern?

lament tusk Sep 7, 2023, 9:38 AM

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ok cnt be bothered to do more shadow temple

midnight depot Sep 7, 2023, 9:47 AM

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Unless you have hover boots, you definitely want to do shadow temple in one go

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Nayru's Love turns the Greataxe Greatfuckers in Spirit Temple much easier

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(They normally deal six hearts of damage with each swing)

lament tusk Sep 7, 2023, 9:51 AM

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i have the hoverboots yeah

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and double health upgrade

midnight depot Sep 7, 2023, 10:05 AM

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Back to BK mode!

lament tusk Sep 7, 2023, 10:14 AM

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so my big blockers atm are:
strength upgrades (all 3)
mirror sheild
eye of truth
light arrows
sarias song
bolero of fire (thats just one check but its the last item that gives checks)
edit: longshot
forgot about that

midnight depot Sep 7, 2023, 10:15 AM

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Got any hints left?

lament tusk Sep 7, 2023, 10:17 AM

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i havent used any yet

fresh hill Sep 7, 2023, 10:17 AM

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the multiworld tracker shows no hints for any of those

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per above, we have a decent idea where the light arrows are from a hint in my game that didn't auto-reveal

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but I don't recall any mention of the others

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damn you're at 67%

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definitely should hint a few of those

lament tusk Sep 7, 2023, 10:19 AM

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yeah im starting to get stuck

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how do i use the hint command? is it just !hint (item)

fresh hill Sep 7, 2023, 10:19 AM

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yep

lament tusk Sep 7, 2023, 10:20 AM

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flutterwaaaugh

fresh hill Sep 7, 2023, 10:20 AM

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?

lament tusk Sep 7, 2023, 10:21 AM

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i dont know what the strength upgrades are called

fresh hill Sep 7, 2023, 10:21 AM

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this happens so often lol

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there needs to be a standard way to look up our games' lists of Archipelago item names

lament tusk Sep 7, 2023, 10:22 AM

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no, no i did not mean hoverboots

fresh hill Sep 7, 2023, 10:22 AM

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try "Progressive Strength Upgrade"

midnight depot Sep 7, 2023, 10:22 AM

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Progressive strength upgrade

lament tusk Sep 7, 2023, 10:22 AM

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right

fresh hill Sep 7, 2023, 10:22 AM

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that's the tooltip I get when I hover over your tracker

lament tusk Sep 7, 2023, 10:23 AM

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midnight depot Sep 7, 2023, 10:23 AM

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How many progressive strength upgrades did you get already? Zero? You can't even pick flowers?

lament tusk Sep 7, 2023, 10:23 AM

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nope

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im like 80% done

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(my korok sheild burned away, shhh)

midnight depot Sep 7, 2023, 10:24 AM

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You should hint for another one just in case there's one earlier than Bowser

lament tusk Sep 7, 2023, 10:24 AM

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yeah

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do you have the mirror yet ixrec?

midnight depot Sep 7, 2023, 10:25 AM

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That one seems a lot easier

fresh hill Sep 7, 2023, 10:25 AM

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oh that I might be able to get

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I have no memory of what that area is like but it does sound like something I forgot to check

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unfortunately this is the one day this week I'm in the office so not until I get home

lament tusk Sep 7, 2023, 10:26 AM

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what do you mean you cant immidiatly jump into a videogame to get me something? we're on a timelimit here!

fresh hill Sep 7, 2023, 10:27 AM

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in fact I should probably double-check all the overworld shops now that I have a stupid number of rupees

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and can actually get to all of them

lament tusk Sep 7, 2023, 10:27 AM

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lament tusk

@sage dawn theres no rush on this but i will need all 3 streangth upgrades to finish, so please dont forget this when you get to bowser's levels thanks

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ill use my other hints on sarias song i think, thats got so many checks behind it

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wait, does it?

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singing to king goron, one of the skull kids

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pretty sure thats not what i searched for

midnight depot Sep 7, 2023, 10:34 AM

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Progressive hookshot upgrade

lament tusk Sep 7, 2023, 10:34 AM

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flutterwaaaugh

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@sage dawn another one for you when you get the chance please

fierce vale Sep 7, 2023, 10:43 AM

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PL_lunateehee i think i have a fair number of checks available now, but i'm going into busy mode again i'm sticking to my progress meter of "complete the entire period rather than week 1"

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nope, cant do crystal peak yet

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the main unlocker for cystal peak would be left claw looking at it, but a lot of them require prior room and have long lists

fresh hill Sep 7, 2023, 10:45 AM

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hm, what blocks the non-dark entrance from FC?

fierce vale Sep 7, 2023, 10:45 AM

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midnight depot Sep 7, 2023, 10:46 AM

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You need left claw to reach the majority of crystal peak

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But with lantern or down spell the entrance and one of the benches is accessible

fierce vale Sep 7, 2023, 10:46 AM

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rdwut wheres that, i have down slam

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wait, yeah, just the entrence

fresh hill Sep 7, 2023, 10:47 AM

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iirc crystal guardian is fairly low in the area, do you recall if that needs claw to reach?

fierce vale Sep 7, 2023, 10:47 AM

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it looks like it

midnight depot Sep 7, 2023, 10:48 AM

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You need left or right claw to reach crystal guardian

fierce vale Sep 7, 2023, 10:51 AM

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NamazuThink i have right claw but its all greyed out

lament tusk Sep 7, 2023, 10:51 AM

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omg the sound of hoverboots has been replaces with ganons laugh
i was wondering why i heard it randomly lol

fresh hill Sep 7, 2023, 10:52 AM

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sadly none of my games have had a sound rando option

midnight depot Sep 7, 2023, 10:53 AM

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You mean fortunately

fresh hill Sep 7, 2023, 10:53 AM

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I should do enemy rando next time, both of my games this time had the option but I was too chicken for it

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Tunic enemy rando was fun in my test game (one of the usual paths even ended up blocked by an enemy that was impossible to get past weaponless)

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sadly it seems like OoT's the only one with room/entrance/dungeon rando?

midnight depot Sep 7, 2023, 10:56 AM

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You should look into Plando

fresh hill Sep 7, 2023, 10:57 AM

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oh yeah, I never got around to checking what that even is

midnight depot Sep 7, 2023, 10:58 AM

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Donkey Kong Country 3 has a level randomizer

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Kingdom Hearts 2 technically doesn't, but the randomizer puts you in a hub world and you need specific items to reach specific worlds

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And you get these items at random

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Final Fantasy 1 has an entrance shuffler

fresh hill Sep 7, 2023, 10:59 AM

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oh that's what plando is

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I don't think I want to name specific items is the thing

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I was considering using Tunic's option for "important" items behind bosses

midnight depot Sep 7, 2023, 11:00 AM

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That makes sense.

fresh hill Sep 7, 2023, 11:00 AM

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but I would want to keep it as vague as "any item >=useful behind bosses"

midnight depot Sep 7, 2023, 11:02 AM

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Link's Awakening DX has an experimental entrance shuffler, apparently

fresh hill Sep 7, 2023, 11:02 AM

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I guess more generally I want a higher ratio of non-filler checks, e.g. next Hollow Knight I'll probably turn off geo rock shuffle

midnight depot Sep 7, 2023, 11:03 AM

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Definitely a good idea.

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That's why I did Ocarina of Time but replaced all junk checks with ice traps

fierce vale Sep 7, 2023, 11:04 AM

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TwiPbbbt filler checks are weird because they're fun to play with, on the flipside they likely aren't fun to be on said flipside

fresh hill Sep 7, 2023, 11:04 AM

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yeah, I'm kinda torn on the subject

fierce vale Sep 7, 2023, 11:04 AM

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rdsnrk that sounds like a fun option

fresh hill Sep 7, 2023, 11:05 AM

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I think I would've gotten sick of ice traps after the vanilla 4(?) rdsnrk

midnight depot Sep 7, 2023, 11:06 AM

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Super Metroid has an area shuffler

fresh hill Sep 7, 2023, 11:06 AM

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amusingly, Tunic's rando went out of its way to add "fool chests" that aren't in vanilla, I can only assume that's inspired by OoT's ice traps

midnight depot Sep 7, 2023, 11:06 AM

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Apparently SMW does too

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And SM64

fresh hill Sep 7, 2023, 11:06 AM

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ooh, that'd be one advantage of SM64 then

midnight depot Sep 7, 2023, 11:07 AM

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And that's all the games

fresh hill Sep 7, 2023, 11:07 AM

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part of my plan for next time is "SM64 if I can't get AHiT working"

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and I figured we should get chip unblocked before I pester them for setup help

midnight depot Sep 7, 2023, 11:07 AM

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Stardew Valley has luck buffs you can get as checks. Neat

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https://i.imgur.com/tTe5qVS.png

Imgur

fierce vale Sep 7, 2023, 11:07 AM

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thats super nice

fresh hill Sep 7, 2023, 11:08 AM

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fishsanity rdsnrk

midnight depot Sep 7, 2023, 11:08 AM

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It allows you to skip days, move faster, get more experience, make friends faster

fierce vale Sep 7, 2023, 11:09 AM

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giggle theres something funny about stardew deathlink

fresh hill Sep 7, 2023, 11:09 AM

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how do you die in stardew lol

lament tusk Sep 7, 2023, 11:09 AM

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therer are enemies

fierce vale Sep 7, 2023, 11:09 AM

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your just chillin' on your farm and someones doing a boss in dark souls

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then you just lose like 8 days

midnight depot Sep 7, 2023, 11:11 AM

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You have both a health bar and an energy bar

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If you run out of energy you faint and get rescued, (and you pay for healthcare, of course)

lament tusk Sep 7, 2023, 11:11 AM

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can someone remind me what the "floormaster chest" in the forest temple is? thats one of my 3 remaining checks i can make

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the other two being 1500 points and dampe's race

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i just got 50 skully bois

midnight depot Sep 7, 2023, 11:12 AM

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A floormaster is the big hand that when you hit breaks down into many

lament tusk Sep 7, 2023, 11:13 AM

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yeah i just dont remember what room that is

midnight depot Sep 7, 2023, 11:13 AM

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You can find out the exact location of the check by using the tracker

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The floormaster should be here https://i.imgur.com/KrkYlKp.png

Imgur

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https://www.zeldadungeon.net/ocarina-of-time-walkthrough/forest-temple/

lament tusk Sep 7, 2023, 11:14 AM

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midnight depot The floormaster should be here https://i.imgur.com/KrkYlKp.png

thanks

fresh hill Sep 7, 2023, 11:14 AM

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speaking of game differences, is OoT the only tracker that not only shows checks, but whether those checks are currently accessible/in-logic?

midnight depot Sep 7, 2023, 11:14 AM

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Plenty do that

lament tusk Sep 7, 2023, 11:14 AM

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RIGHT
i forgot that room because it had zoras lulaby symbol and i forgot i have that now

midnight depot Sep 7, 2023, 11:14 AM

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But logic is fuzzy

fresh hill Sep 7, 2023, 11:14 AM

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in what sense?

midnight depot Sep 7, 2023, 11:15 AM

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A lot of things that are reachable might only be reachable if you know the right way to get to them

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And it's hard to actually define that, so trackers sometimes come with a lot of settings to define what's reachable and what isn't

fresh hill Sep 7, 2023, 11:15 AM

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ah, that's what I was afraid of

midnight depot Sep 7, 2023, 11:16 AM

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Axiom Verge's tracker just classifies them by difficulty and calls it a day

fresh hill Sep 7, 2023, 11:16 AM

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I have tried the trackers that my games came with or had in the setup guides, but most of them are mere item trackers which are honestly pretty useless when the games have decent inventory menus

midnight depot Sep 7, 2023, 11:16 AM

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Tracker of Time does it in a pretty granular way with lots of settings

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Yeah, an item tracker is useless for playing on your own, but good for streaming

fresh hill Sep 7, 2023, 11:17 AM

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the Archipelago site's LttP tracker is basically only useful because it lets me distinguish small keys I received from the multiworld from all small keys I have ever picked up but not used

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makes sense

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I would be interested in a tracker that shows checks and whose logic is fully synced with the Archipelago logic, but I've gotten the impression the Archipelago spoiler log is the closest we have to one of those

lament tusk Sep 7, 2023, 11:19 AM

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midnight depot The floormaster should be here https://i.imgur.com/KrkYlKp.png

how the fuck am i supposed to get there? im genuinely struggling right now
i swear ive been there this run, because i got caught by the thing, but i cant get back there now

midnight depot Sep 7, 2023, 11:20 AM

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I have no clue!

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Try reading the rest of the guide in order

fresh hill Sep 7, 2023, 11:20 AM

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anyway, next time I do HK I need to get y'all to show me how to view the logic rules

midnight depot Sep 7, 2023, 11:20 AM

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fresh hill I would be interested in a tracker that shows checks and whose logic is fully sy...

Archipelago logic is defined by the YAML, so you could probably do something like Tracker of Time, but also allow it to read the YAML file to do the tracker settings too.

fresh hill Sep 7, 2023, 11:20 AM

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seems like that might be the only game where they're human readable (Blasphemous' rules sadly were not)

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oh dang, Tunic has a "full map tracker" I didn't try out, should do that when I get home

lament tusk Sep 7, 2023, 11:23 AM

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ok im 99.9% sure that either the tracker is lying to me or im an idiot. odds are its the latter but i cant get into that room
oh well

lament tusk Sep 7, 2023, 11:24 AM

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lament tusk so my big blockers atm are: strength upgrades (all 3) mirror sheild eye of truth...

if anyone grabs any of these items, ping me please

midnight depot Sep 7, 2023, 11:24 AM

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It's fine

lament tusk Sep 7, 2023, 11:24 AM

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im oficcially in BK mode

fresh hill Sep 7, 2023, 11:25 AM

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right, my todo list when I get home:

check Dark World Lumberjack Shop
test Tunic tracker

lament tusk Sep 7, 2023, 11:25 AM

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fresh hill Sep 7, 2023, 11:25 AM

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that (Key) means we need chip's Shopkeeper's Key, right? I think I remember finding Flitter's

lament tusk Sep 7, 2023, 11:26 AM

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i can probably brute force without it
i just dont want to, it sucks

midnight depot Sep 7, 2023, 11:26 AM

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Yeah

fresh hill Sep 7, 2023, 11:26 AM

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yeah, we don't want to make chip do dark rooms without the lantern either

lament tusk Sep 7, 2023, 11:27 AM

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fresh hill Sep 7, 2023, 11:28 AM

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reminder that the pinned multiworld "Item Tracker" also shows all revealed hints in one big table you can sort by finder/receiver

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and it's becoming very useful:

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oh yeah I need to figure out what "mini moldorm cave" is

lament tusk Sep 7, 2023, 11:30 AM

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sorry, where is this?

midnight depot Sep 7, 2023, 11:30 AM

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Bombamble cave east of the dam

fresh hill Sep 7, 2023, 11:30 AM

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first pin:

midnight depot Sep 7, 2023, 11:30 AM

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It's near Swamp Palace

fresh hill Sep 7, 2023, 11:30 AM

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https://archipelago.gg/tracker/kcAcsHTfQqWcWeYOJFA0Wg

midnight depot Sep 7, 2023, 11:31 AM

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http://randoguide.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/30/2018/01/mini-moldorm-cave.jpg

fresh hill Sep 7, 2023, 11:31 AM

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aaaah, you're right, I have not been in there

midnight depot Sep 7, 2023, 11:31 AM

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Otherwise known as slider stall

fresh hill Sep 7, 2023, 11:31 AM

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which is weird because I went all the way around the lake to the ice rod cave

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rdwut

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I am like genetically bad at Zelda overworlds lol

lament tusk Sep 7, 2023, 11:34 AM

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i should do subnautica next time
i could see that rando being fun, albeit slow

fresh hill Sep 7, 2023, 11:35 AM

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indeed, slow should be fine in async, as long as you've got the time on your end

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my work meetings are about to start up so I'll probably be less chatty or absent until I'm back home in ~6 hours

lament tusk Sep 7, 2023, 11:36 AM

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good luck!

fresh hill Sep 7, 2023, 11:36 AM

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first one is "Mid year eval" ponee

lament tusk Sep 7, 2023, 11:36 AM

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oh god

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good luck for real this time

fierce vale Sep 7, 2023, 11:38 AM

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i need more grubs to buy your lens

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rdwut i have 30 grubs i need 31

lament tusk Sep 7, 2023, 11:42 AM

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what are the odds that grub 31 is behind 1500 points?

fierce vale Sep 7, 2023, 11:42 AM

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rdsnrk why not hint it

lament tusk Sep 7, 2023, 11:43 AM

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its tempting

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its !hint (location) right?

fierce vale Sep 7, 2023, 11:43 AM

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!hint_location (location) i think

haughty mulchBOT Sep 7, 2023, 11:43 AM

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Sorry, hint_location is not a valid command.
For a list of valid commands, type !help.```

fierce vale Sep 7, 2023, 11:44 AM

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sweetie disagrees

fresh hill Sep 7, 2023, 11:44 AM

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we've officially hit the "grubs matter" phase of the rando starlightpopcorn

lament tusk Sep 7, 2023, 11:46 AM

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do you need this?

fresh hill Sep 7, 2023, 11:46 AM

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CinderedChipmunk !released yesterday

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that game went from 8% BK to completeable almost in one go, it was nuts

fierce vale Sep 7, 2023, 11:47 AM

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CoolCat i'm just that cracked

lament tusk Sep 7, 2023, 11:47 AM

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but arent there still items in that world to find for other people?

fierce vale Sep 7, 2023, 11:47 AM

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nah, i released when there was like 30 items remaining out of 700

fresh hill Sep 7, 2023, 11:47 AM

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that's what !release does: "finds" every remaining item so you don't need to play it any more

lament tusk Sep 7, 2023, 11:48 AM

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oooooh, if you finish the game, everything gets found

midnight depot Sep 7, 2023, 11:48 AM

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And doing !collect takes every item from other people's worlds so they don't have to look

lament tusk Sep 7, 2023, 11:48 AM

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i was wondering how that worked

fresh hill Sep 7, 2023, 11:48 AM

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that's why the multiworld item tracker says 713/713 100% for CinderedChipmunk

fierce vale Sep 7, 2023, 11:48 AM

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i think there was legit only 1 items behind a check

fresh hill Sep 7, 2023, 11:48 AM

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you can finish the game without !releasing, that's optional

midnight depot Sep 7, 2023, 11:48 AM

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You can do both of these at any time, but I recommend you only do them when you're done playing

fresh hill Sep 7, 2023, 11:48 AM

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but most people !release after they've done everything they wanted to do in their game

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or if reality strikes and they can't play any more

fierce vale Sep 7, 2023, 11:48 AM

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NamazuThink i didn't consider !collect'ing for it, how much of a difference will it make it actuality

midnight depot Sep 7, 2023, 11:49 AM

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Well it'd save a hint if you did it before Meganought checked

lament tusk Sep 7, 2023, 11:49 AM

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well i'll have my game basically done by the time i get to gannon, so all ill release is flitters bombs

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how do i check how many hints i have left?

fresh hill Sep 7, 2023, 11:50 AM

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afaik we've never done a !collect; that's effectively "other players have become terminally unreachable and I'd rather finish my game without them"

midnight depot Sep 7, 2023, 11:50 AM

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You get 1 hint per 10% of the game you finish

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This number is set by me for each game

fresh hill Sep 7, 2023, 11:50 AM

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just do !hint and it'll tell you how much you have left and show all hints you've gotten so far

fierce vale Sep 7, 2023, 11:50 AM

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rdsnrk wait, the game considers the storm ruler a "progression" item, i'm unsure how i feel about that

midnight depot Sep 7, 2023, 11:50 AM

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You can also do !remaining, and it'll give you a list of every single item that is in your world but belongs to other players

lament tusk Sep 7, 2023, 11:51 AM

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i have 45 points and a hint costs 30
seems fair to me

fresh hill Sep 7, 2023, 11:51 AM

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the first pin has a link to the full command list

midnight depot Sep 7, 2023, 11:51 AM

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You have 300 checks. 30 is 10%

lament tusk Sep 7, 2023, 11:52 AM

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fresh hill the first pin has a link to the full command list

you think i know how to read?

fresh hill Sep 7, 2023, 11:52 AM

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that's why I said it again lol

fierce vale Sep 7, 2023, 11:52 AM

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apparently i had 3 progressions in other worlds, 1 was "storm ruler" which is a non item
and 2 had single checks behind them

midnight depot Sep 7, 2023, 11:53 AM

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That's fine

fierce vale Sep 7, 2023, 11:53 AM

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rdsnrk yeah, it was mainly a comment on me thinking i only had 1 but i had 2, the drama!

fresh hill Sep 7, 2023, 11:53 AM

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speaking of the global hint rate, is there an option to start with 1 or more hints available?

midnight depot Sep 7, 2023, 11:53 AM

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I love fighting with storm rulers so it's definitely mandatory to use it against Yhorm

fresh hill Sep 7, 2023, 11:54 AM

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since we presumably don't want another Yoshi-block

lament tusk Sep 7, 2023, 11:54 AM

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you had a LOT of uncollected items chip

midnight depot Sep 7, 2023, 11:54 AM

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fresh hill speaking of the global hint rate, is there an option to _start_ with 1 or more h...

No, but I can manually look things up as needed

fresh hill Sep 7, 2023, 11:54 AM

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ok

lament tusk Sep 7, 2023, 11:54 AM

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there are always the spoiler logs, yeah

fresh hill Sep 7, 2023, 11:54 AM

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just wondering if we want a lower hint rate

midnight depot Sep 7, 2023, 11:55 AM

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By generating a game locally, I can set the hint rate to 0% or up to 100% in 1% increments and that's the only option

fresh hill Sep 7, 2023, 11:55 AM

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10% seems to be mostly a good rate, but we've hit a few exceptions where someone clearly needed a hint and didn't have any yet/left

fierce vale Sep 7, 2023, 11:55 AM

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lament tusk you had a LOT of uncollected items chip

do you mean from me !collect'ing ? if so that basically just covers the location_hint costs,

fresh hill Sep 7, 2023, 11:55 AM

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though I suppose progression_balancing: off is kinda asking for that to happen

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ok bye now

midnight depot Sep 7, 2023, 11:57 AM

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The problem with !collect is now I don't even get a useless item when I fight Twinrova. I get nothing

lament tusk Sep 7, 2023, 11:58 AM

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fierce vale do you mean from me !collect'ing ? if so that basically just covers the location...

i mean when you did that i got a wall of text on the tacker, like 100 items at once

fierce vale Sep 7, 2023, 12:00 PM

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midnight depot The problem with !collect is now I don't even get a useless item when I fight Tw...

snarfexplain i thought people wanted me to, confound the little dopamine hit from getting items

lament tusk Sep 7, 2023, 12:03 PM

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i dont care, it means i know not to worry about one game completely

midnight depot Sep 7, 2023, 12:03 PM

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It's actually hard for me to know whether I want to or not

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On the one hand, it saves time. On the other hand, I like doing checks and getting rewards even if they will never be useful, on the third hand doing collect might cause problems with some randomizers that don't correctly remove items from the save

fierce vale Sep 7, 2023, 12:05 PM

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i imagine the checks are still there and will just pop anyway

midnight depot Sep 7, 2023, 12:06 PM

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But then the tracker will show items as still there

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For Hollow Knight you can just modify the save to collect items

lament tusk Sep 7, 2023, 12:06 PM

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i guess this is an experement!

fierce vale Sep 7, 2023, 12:07 PM

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i mean, i'm fine with just having the items in the world anyway, because that leaves it how i wanted

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with just a lil note of "this isn't useful" if hinted

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it should remove it from games when picked up anyway

fierce vale Sep 7, 2023, 1:55 PM

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UraWheeze apparently they're adding a deathwish only mode to hatty time, thats going to be suffering ~~i'm also not good enough at it to do that~~

fresh hill Sep 7, 2023, 5:06 PM

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I saw that too rdlol

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I’m nowhere near good enough for that

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I did like the sound of options for subsets of death wishes, esp the no bonuses one

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re: !collect, how does it “save time”? (given we’re talking about a completed and !released game)

midnight depot Sep 7, 2023, 5:17 PM

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It saves time for the other players

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Who will no longer need to find these items

weary lagoon Sep 7, 2023, 5:18 PM

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I didnt like it when I played, felt bad finding empty checks

midnight depot Sep 7, 2023, 5:18 PM

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Yes, same

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But you can mitigate that by looking at the logs after a player does collect

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Which will tell you the places you should no longer look

weary lagoon Sep 7, 2023, 5:19 PM

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lol

midnight depot Sep 7, 2023, 5:19 PM

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If I recall correctly, Hollow Knight automatically handles collection and the tracker will remove collected items from the map

fresh hill Sep 7, 2023, 5:36 PM

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ah, I see, it’s not great for me because I’m not the type to learn every check in the game

midnight depot Sep 7, 2023, 5:39 PM

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A well-designed archipelago game does descriptive and categorized check names

fresh hill Sep 7, 2023, 6:01 PM

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I mean I don't know the games well enough to go "I saw all three checks for That One Cave With Seven Pots so I don't need to visit that corner of the map" ppenk

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right, Dark World Lumberjack Shop, let's do this

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all this lategame gear and still no bug net rdsnrk

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ok that was a noticeable upgrade

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TIL the fast travel bird can miss you if a boulder bonks you while you play the ocarina cadancewheeze

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indeed he has a thingy

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Progressive Strength Upgrade bought

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oh, right, that's a check

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just essence

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final Thieves' Town check was chip's Lifeblood

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now flitter's love key and the last ice palace checks, since those are both at the lake

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oh THIS cave

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I was in here before, but at the time I had no weapons

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wow 4 checks

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definitely gonna remember that if I do this again

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...does this fairy offer infinite capacity upgrades in rando?

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I've bought both of these like three times now

weary lagoon Sep 7, 2023, 6:20 PM

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it does in the vanilla game

fresh hill Sep 7, 2023, 6:20 PM

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o

weary lagoon Sep 7, 2023, 6:20 PM

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but looking at this screen it looks streamlined

fresh hill Sep 7, 2023, 6:20 PM

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yeah there are enough steps to it in vanilla I never even thought to try repeating it

weary lagoon Sep 7, 2023, 6:20 PM

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in vanilla you have to keep exiting and re-entering and throwing more rupees into the pond

fresh hill Sep 7, 2023, 6:25 PM

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the ice palace is sadly lacking shortcuts for a repeat visit

midnight depot Sep 7, 2023, 6:25 PM

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fresh hill I mean I don't know the games well enough to go "I saw all three checks for That...

Yeah but would you understand "Gold Skultula Death Mountain crate at entrance"?

fresh hill Sep 7, 2023, 6:25 PM

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well, sure, but I don't know how many crates are on Death Mountain

weary lagoon Sep 7, 2023, 6:25 PM

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understanding is one thing but memorizing when you get 20-50 of them

fresh hill Sep 7, 2023, 6:26 PM

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OH MY GOD THE HOOKSHOT ONE-SHOTS MURDER PENGUINS

midnight depot Sep 7, 2023, 6:26 PM

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At the entrance there's 1.

fresh hill Sep 7, 2023, 6:29 PM

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oh well, I'm saving this for when I have the big key and can actually finish it

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let's see how far I can get in agahnim's tower

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really should've bought potions before coming in here abflat

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that one key got me all the way from 3F to the boss at 7F

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and just like when I did this in vanilla, I have no health left for the boss

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but that boss is very easy after you learn it the first time

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for the first time this run, I'm at the ziggurat rdwut

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hm, I could do the big bomb check

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took a minute to remember LttP's big bomb rules are much stricter than LBW's, but after that it was easy

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oh that's where Taranto was hiding

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remembered this island exists

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too bad it's a literal nothing

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cuckoo lady still has no items for me

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there's the shop I was missing

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enjoy your grub and egg

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yep that's everything I can do here for now

fresh hill Sep 7, 2023, 6:58 PM

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midnight depot https://i.imgur.com/5R6oYU9.png

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it keeps happening

fresh hill Sep 7, 2023, 7:19 PM

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I've got 2.5 hints, let's check the lung too

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seems like almost everything left is in yay's world at this point

fresh hill Sep 7, 2023, 9:58 PM

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so, uh

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in the process of testing Tunic trackers

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I discovered the Blasphemous tracker I tried before does not just track items, but shows all the checks on the map

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and to test it was really working I picked up a random nearby check it was saying I could get

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and it was the last grub chip needed to buy Mega's lens

fierce vale Sep 7, 2023, 10:08 PM

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rdsnrk

midnight depot Sep 8, 2023, 6:33 AM

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Apparently I can't finish the game without focus

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https://i.imgur.com/oBqPMLR.png

Imgur

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I did get four new checks though

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[Hint]: FlitterHK's Focus is at Kak Man on Roof in FlitterOoT's World. (not found) @midnight depot

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(I also need voidheart)

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[Hint]: FlitterHK's Void_Heart is at Vessel_Fragment-Deepnest in Chipknight's World. (not found)

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OoT has no new checks, so that's it for today

fresh hill Sep 8, 2023, 7:56 AM

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huh, why does that bit require focus?

midnight depot Sep 8, 2023, 8:20 AM

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You gotta suck in all the orange bits

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(Only required for the basic ending)

fresh hill Sep 8, 2023, 8:25 AM

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oooh I remember this now

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and you don't have what you need for true ending?

midnight depot Sep 8, 2023, 8:26 AM

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Just need voidheart

fresh hill Sep 8, 2023, 8:26 AM

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duh

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probably worth hinting on claw if chip can't find any of the other key items today

fierce vale Sep 8, 2023, 8:32 AM

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i can get it, just need to go grab it, i'll probably try in like 5 hours

fresh hill Sep 8, 2023, 8:33 AM

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ah, that's not in the lantern-gated part of Deepnest?

fierce vale Sep 8, 2023, 8:34 AM

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CoolCat i dont remember

fresh hill Sep 8, 2023, 8:34 AM

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izzynothoughtsheadempty

fierce vale Sep 8, 2023, 8:35 AM

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looking at the map i'm gonna get there through the tram

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rdsnrk my memory of the game is like the first 1/4, deepnest is only briefly in that memory

fresh hill Sep 8, 2023, 8:36 AM

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I had a similar Deepnest experience with my HK rando

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I was pretty sure spider town was on the far left but that was about it

midnight depot Sep 8, 2023, 8:37 AM

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The deepnest vessel fragment is the one that you need to pogo to

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No lantern required

fierce vale Sep 8, 2023, 8:38 AM

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dumbtiktok my abilities as a bouncer have been thouroughly trained by pso2 thankfully

midnight depot Sep 8, 2023, 8:38 AM

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It's a lot easier if you have double jump

fierce vale Sep 8, 2023, 8:39 AM

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unless someone gave me it since last session, i do not have it unfortunatly

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whats its full name again?

midnight depot Sep 8, 2023, 8:40 AM

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Monarch Wings

fierce vale Sep 8, 2023, 8:40 AM

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dumbtiktok i dont remember where that is

midnight depot Sep 8, 2023, 8:41 AM

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Queen's Garden bottom right, in the part where Queen's Garden, Fungal Wastes and Deepnest intersect

fierce vale Sep 8, 2023, 8:42 AM

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CoolCat i shall attempt it ~~later~~

fresh hill Sep 8, 2023, 9:28 AM

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I just remembered I have the quest item to unlock more Blasphemous DLC bosses so I think I'll go do that

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looks like I can reach half of them with my current items

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these guys are so much fun when you learn the patterns starlightpopcorn

midnight depot Sep 8, 2023, 9:38 AM

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Does this one deal six hearts of damage with each swing too?

fresh hill Sep 8, 2023, 9:39 AM

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it's a lot but I'm not sure what "six hearts" means here

midnight depot Sep 8, 2023, 9:42 AM

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Spirit Temple greataxe wielding mini bosses do six hearts with each swing

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Which is why Nayru's love is really nice

fresh hill Sep 8, 2023, 9:42 AM

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woo

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the funny thing was that was "first try"

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but only if you exclude the part where I accidentally cancelled my first attempt by casting the return-to-last-checkpoint spell instead of an actual combat spell

midnight depot Sep 8, 2023, 9:44 AM

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This happened to me so many times in Hollow Knight

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I gotta turn off the quick teleport mod

fresh hill Sep 8, 2023, 9:46 AM

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ah, you, I remember being much worse at you

midnight depot Sep 8, 2023, 9:49 AM

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Oh, Amanecida isn't a given name?

fresh hill Sep 8, 2023, 9:49 AM

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yeah, this sidequest is basically finding and fighting "the five Amanecidas"

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two deaths so far, still terrible at it ppenk

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THIRD TRY

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anyway, all the important stuff in my world is still blocked afaik so that's it for now

midnight depot Sep 8, 2023, 12:21 PM

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https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1919766849

Twitch

Final Fantasy Randomizer x Link's Awakening DX Randomizer Archipela...

rpglimitbreak went live on Twitch. Catch up on their FINAL FANTASY VOD now.

▶ Play video

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Final Fantasy Randomizer x Link's Awakening DX Randomizer Archipelago Tournament 2023 - Semi-finals/Game 1: Pizza Power vs Team Avalon

fresh hill Sep 8, 2023, 12:31 PM

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huh, randomizer tournaments

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do the competing teams in each match share a seed/generation?

midnight depot Sep 8, 2023, 12:32 PM

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Probably

weary lagoon Sep 8, 2023, 12:33 PM

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in every rando race ive seen its the same seed

midnight depot Sep 8, 2023, 12:33 PM

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In this one specifically, they also have random maluses and bonuses for each player

lament tusk Sep 8, 2023, 5:17 PM

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is the archipaeligo server down?

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midnight depot Sep 8, 2023, 5:18 PM

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It is automatically closed after hours of downtime

lament tusk Sep 8, 2023, 5:18 PM

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ah ok

midnight depot Sep 8, 2023, 5:18 PM

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Simply open the game page in the pins to start it up

lament tusk Sep 8, 2023, 5:18 PM

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i was just bored so thought i'd log in

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aaaah ok

fresh hill Sep 8, 2023, 5:19 PM

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yep it's happy now

lament tusk Sep 8, 2023, 5:19 PM

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yep that did it, thanks

fresh hill Sep 8, 2023, 5:19 PM

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I ran into this a few times when I was doing local game tests; it's a good system in theory though I wish there was a better UX for "the room you're connecting to is asleep, go wake it up"

midnight depot Sep 8, 2023, 5:20 PM

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You can go fully local

lament tusk Sep 8, 2023, 5:20 PM

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i can do the whole forest and fire temple now

midnight depot Sep 8, 2023, 5:20 PM

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Then you can control if the server is listening or not

fresh hill Sep 8, 2023, 5:20 PM

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well yeah, but I wanted a more realistic test than that ppenk

midnight depot Sep 8, 2023, 5:21 PM

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It is too much effort if you're not gonna host future games

fresh hill Sep 8, 2023, 5:22 PM

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tbh they seemed like similar amounts of effort when I was reading the instructions, but oh well, I already did it a few times

lament tusk Sep 8, 2023, 6:13 PM

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hecc i am reallt struggling to get the chest in the secret firetemple scarecrow room

midnight depot Sep 8, 2023, 6:19 PM

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Are you using the hookshot?

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Oh are you talking about the timed chest?

weary lagoon Sep 8, 2023, 6:20 PM

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the same question applies

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you have to hookshot to go up the steep slope

lament tusk Sep 8, 2023, 6:24 PM

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the timed chest yeah, i only have the hookshot so i need to be close to the pole
and because its hard to aim with the sensitivity of this controller/emulator so by the time i've lined up my shot the timer is over

midnight depot Sep 8, 2023, 6:25 PM

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Just cheat

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It took me like eight tries. Definitely not easy

lament tusk Sep 8, 2023, 6:30 PM

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got it
needed the chest too, it was a key

fresh hill Sep 8, 2023, 6:34 PM

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oh boy, more money ppenk

midnight depot Sep 8, 2023, 6:39 PM

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The fact that you have multiple 30k and 18k tears of atonement drops is odd. How much money do you really need to buy everything?

fresh hill Sep 8, 2023, 6:40 PM

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I think I did buy everything multiple sessions ago

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oh wait I still have some mea culpa upgrades

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but nothing I really care about

midnight depot Sep 8, 2023, 6:41 PM

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You need 50k for the tithe box

fresh hill Sep 8, 2023, 6:43 PM

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fresh hill welp, you've sent me enough money that we're doing the stupid check now

yup

midnight depot Sep 8, 2023, 6:47 PM

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Oh good

fresh hill Sep 8, 2023, 6:48 PM

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iirc I managed to spend all the money I had in that session by buying out every shop and doing that donation and picking up multiple sword upgrades I never use

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but now I've got nothing left to spend it on

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aside from the pocket change that bile flask upgrades ask for

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still, that's just how most games seem to go in rando

lament tusk Sep 8, 2023, 6:50 PM

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back to bk mode

fresh hill Sep 8, 2023, 6:52 PM

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if I get bored of NieR I might do a pass of one or both of my games with the map tracker to find all the checks I normally forget about, but I think I'm in de facto BK mode until yay and maybe chipknight get significantly farther

midnight depot Sep 8, 2023, 6:56 PM

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You know you can spend 100 tear of atonement and some health to get a bunch of fervor

fresh hill Sep 8, 2023, 6:57 PM

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yep

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if I didn't have the fervour regen bead that might be useful

midnight depot Sep 8, 2023, 6:59 PM

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There's a bead that allows you to regenerate over time?

fresh hill Sep 8, 2023, 7:00 PM

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normally it's a reward you only get after completing the game in NG+ mode with a specific NG+-only penance enabled, but someone found it for me super early in this rando

midnight depot Sep 8, 2023, 7:01 PM

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When I learned about the ability where you exchange health and money for fervor I was disappointed because the first idea I had was to use it at an altar so you would instantly recover your health too, but the tithes I paid make altars heal fervor too

fresh hill Sep 8, 2023, 7:01 PM

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right, Reliquary of Fervent Heart

fresh hill Sep 8, 2023, 7:01 PM

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midnight depot When I learned about the ability where you exchange health and money for fervor ...

now that you mention it, I feel like I did this a few times in my casual run

fresh hill Sep 9, 2023, 8:41 AM

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trying to setup SM64 and

The Launcher will appear to have crashed, but this is not likely the case. Best wait a bit

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these mods really are made with duct tape

lament tusk Sep 9, 2023, 8:47 AM

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Yep

fresh hill Sep 9, 2023, 8:51 AM

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well that's unfortunate, both A Hat in Time and SM64 have failed to install for me in the "and then nothing happened" way that I can't even attempt to troubleshoot on my own

fierce vale Sep 9, 2023, 9:31 AM

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awwyeah i finally got round to getting flitters void herat

fresh hill Sep 9, 2023, 9:33 AM

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I think you've earned a claw hint trixiewink

fierce vale Sep 9, 2023, 9:35 AM

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CoolCat we will discover this tommorow when i'm slightly less busy

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CoolHat its fine i'm still above pace for making it last the entire period anyway

fresh hill Sep 9, 2023, 11:09 AM

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is your HK in BK mode now?

fierce vale Sep 9, 2023, 11:11 AM

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nah, just busy today

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rdsnrk i should be able to play a lot more tommorow+next week, i'm just holding a quiz so have a lot of work to do for it today

fresh hill Sep 9, 2023, 3:24 PM

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AP AHiT dev just got back to me and the issue was immediately resolved, I believe I have AHiT working now

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midnight depot Sep 9, 2023, 3:26 PM

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Excellent

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Meanwhile, I finally have voidheart

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Thanks!

fresh hill Sep 9, 2023, 3:28 PM

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does that make your HK completeable?

midnight depot Sep 9, 2023, 3:31 PM

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In fact, I'm fighting Radiance right now

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Double jump would help

fresh hill Sep 9, 2023, 3:32 PM

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is the last phase even possible without Monarch Wings? cocothink

midnight depot Sep 9, 2023, 3:34 PM

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Yes.

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You do need claw though

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Worst case scenario, you fall into the shadow and it goes up

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My game froze after I won!

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All done

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https://i.imgur.com/n6Q2REw.png

Imgur

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I still intend on getting the rest of the checks when able

fresh hill Sep 9, 2023, 3:44 PM

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I might do the same with my games

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if only to learn where all the checks I'm not aware of are

midnight depot Sep 9, 2023, 3:45 PM

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Time to check out OoT and see if I have new checks

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Well I got some money

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I used the money to buy a child of moonlight for Ixrec

lament tusk Sep 9, 2023, 3:57 PM

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yeah one of the last checks i had was a shopsanity check for 200 rupies for you
it cost me 220 rupis, so you better apreciate it

midnight depot Sep 9, 2023, 8:03 PM

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fresh hill is the last phase even possible without Monarch Wings? <:cocothink:9080270437767...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqbwmLZvYm8
This video talks about low% (including essence grinding from enemies, and a skip that allows you to finish the game without double jump)

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Norg

The Hollow Knight "Speedrun" that drives you insane

Here's how runners have managed to get the true ending of Hollow Knight while doing the least amount of things possible.

Big thanks again to @Skurry for allowing me to use their footage for this video

This was a very different project from the other video but also really fun to make. Something more akin to the Elden Ring video is coming next ...

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Mind the clickbait

fresh hill Sep 10, 2023, 1:30 PM

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literally everything is on silver key flutterwaaaugh

midnight depot Sep 10, 2023, 1:30 PM

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Update: No new checks available in Hollow Knight, nothing in OoT. I need my progressive hookshot from Ixrec's WotHP: Lower east room, top silver cell

fresh hill Sep 10, 2023, 1:32 PM

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(or more precisely, a lot of stuff is waiting on someone finding chip's claw -> chip beats crystal guardian -> I get silver key -> I get all the good stuff left in my Blasphemous world)

midnight depot Sep 10, 2023, 1:33 PM

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Which claw do we need?

fresh hill Sep 10, 2023, 1:33 PM

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I forget if you said left claw or either claw

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whatever it takes to get up to that boss

fierce vale Sep 10, 2023, 1:36 PM

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left claw

midnight depot Sep 10, 2023, 1:36 PM

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Can just do it with either, but it might need monarch wings if you only have right

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Okay, so what's required for left claw?

fierce vale Sep 10, 2023, 1:37 PM

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i got right and monarch, but i lied and am busy today too PL_lunateehee

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snarfexplain i did not expect to be so busy

fresh hill Sep 10, 2023, 1:38 PM

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no one ever does

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fortunately I still have a whole ending of Nier to get

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the goal is to finish this async game before I complete Automata

midnight depot Sep 10, 2023, 1:39 PM

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If you have the right charm, you can kill crystal guardian before he gets off the bench

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It's either the stinky one or the spiders one

fierce vale Sep 10, 2023, 1:40 PM

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rdsnrk any vids on that? i have a lot of charms

midnight depot Sep 10, 2023, 1:41 PM

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Oh, it's the stinky one

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But apparently it's been patched

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https://youtu.be/q1-H4HFlhSU

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How To CHEESE the Crystal Guardian (PATCHED)

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fierce vale Sep 10, 2023, 1:43 PM

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HatPensive

midnight depot Sep 10, 2023, 1:43 PM

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Dreamshield might work

fresh hill Sep 10, 2023, 1:43 PM

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I mean, you don't need to cheese it ppenk

fierce vale Sep 10, 2023, 1:43 PM

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sneakybelle i dont need to do a lot of things i do

midnight depot Sep 10, 2023, 1:59 PM

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Heh heh heh https://i.imgur.com/gZWWYqv.png

Imgur

fresh hill Sep 10, 2023, 1:59 PM

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was just about to ask if that was you dipping

weary lagoon Sep 10, 2023, 2:00 PM

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what time did you get

midnight depot Sep 10, 2023, 2:00 PM

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59

weary lagoon Sep 10, 2023, 2:01 PM

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im very excited for our ootmm run im gonna get a 56 for sure

midnight depot Sep 10, 2023, 2:06 PM

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My best ever is 57

weary lagoon Sep 10, 2023, 2:13 PM

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i dont remember if mine is 57 or 56

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I just remember my legendary 1700 HBA

lament tusk Sep 10, 2023, 2:27 PM

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midnight depot Heh heh heh https://i.imgur.com/gZWWYqv.png

HAX
(its fine)

fresh hill Sep 10, 2023, 3:20 PM

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I feel like running around my Blasphemous world until it's fully BK'd

midnight depot Sep 10, 2023, 3:21 PM

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That sounds fun because I'm kinda sick of playing Blasphemous off archipelago

fresh hill Sep 10, 2023, 3:46 PM

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so close

midnight depot Sep 10, 2023, 3:59 PM

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Just beat up background elements with the bead that gives you +2 each

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Then you'll be one off

fresh hill Sep 10, 2023, 4:31 PM

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omg I actually beat Miriam's Grievous Ascends Challenge a.k.a Path of Pain part 4/5

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got no item for it so I'm guessing this was one of chip's !collects

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but I think this is the one that made me give up on the DLC in my initial playthrough

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lol, I missed this check because with Prie Dieu warp there's no reason to use the vanilla teleporters

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whoa, tram pass

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yeah I think the 5th one is still too much for me

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so the main thing I learned today from using the tracker and asking around is that one of the prayers I never use, which does brief invulnerability, makes it very easy to get some of the checks which otherwise require poison immunity; since one of you found that prayer for me ages ago it turns out Silvered Lung of Dolphos is not a high priority item after all

midnight depot Sep 10, 2023, 5:05 PM

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Does toxic damage reduction help too?

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What about general damage reduction?

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Also, can I use the tracker for a non-randomized game?

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I'm losing track of all the spots I can check now

fresh hill Sep 10, 2023, 5:08 PM

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PopTracker is probably better at non-randomized games

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I was just told they want to move to an in-game map mod because of issues with the tracker and rando logic being out of sync, because I just discovered one such issue

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other damage reduction beads probably make it easier to cheese but I doubt they're part of the logic, the answer I got before was specifically lung or tiento

midnight depot Sep 10, 2023, 5:09 PM

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Yeah, an in-game map mod would be nice if it's anything like Hollow knight

fresh hill Sep 10, 2023, 5:10 PM

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anyway, I have officially done everything there is to do in my Blasphemous world now

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those 2 green squares are the aforementioned tracker bug and 5th Miriam challenge that's too hard for me (I'll probably exclude it next time)

midnight depot Sep 10, 2023, 5:11 PM

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Get the mod that adds a double jump relic

fresh hill Sep 10, 2023, 5:11 PM

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looks like chipknight's tram pass and right crystal heart were the notable finds

midnight depot Sep 10, 2023, 5:12 PM

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I could've used grubberfly elegy against radiance

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Ah well, it wasn't too hard since my settings allow me to put twenty charms on

fresh hill Sep 10, 2023, 5:13 PM

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still pleasingly close in a slightly different way, with Mega and I at 81 now

midnight depot Sep 10, 2023, 5:14 PM

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Yeah, I like it.

midnight depot Sep 10, 2023, 5:49 PM

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I can't figure out how to autotrack Blasphemous in a vanilla game. It seems to require the randomizer mod, which is not compatible with a vanilla game

fresh hill Sep 10, 2023, 6:02 PM

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ah, unfortunate but makes sense

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after we finish this game I’ll probably install the mods on my main copy and leave them around rather than juggle two copies that (as I now realise) share save files

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iirc I can still easily make a de facto vanilla game within the rando mod if I want

midnight depot Sep 10, 2023, 6:04 PM

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If you load one while the randomizer is installed it complains

fresh hill Sep 10, 2023, 6:04 PM

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yeah, not a true vanilla save, a rando save with vanilla-like settings

midnight depot Sep 10, 2023, 6:04 PM

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Oh

fresh hill Sep 10, 2023, 6:05 PM

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if I ever want to replay the game normally

fierce vale Sep 11, 2023, 5:09 PM

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dumbtiktok key got

fresh hill Sep 11, 2023, 5:16 PM

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will get on it after I finish this nier quest

fresh hill Sep 11, 2023, 5:56 PM

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which only took 40 minutes

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you know, blink of an eye in RPG time

midnight depot Sep 11, 2023, 5:57 PM

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JRPG

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Undertale is an RPG and it only takes 30 minutes in its entirety

fresh hill Sep 11, 2023, 5:57 PM

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not on a casual run ppenk

midnight depot Sep 11, 2023, 5:58 PM

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I am exaggerating a little

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Ixphemous sent Progressive Hookshot to FlitterOoT (WotHP: Lower east room, top silver cell)

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That was quick, you must have altar warping

fresh hill Sep 11, 2023, 6:02 PM

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yep, the rando defaults to prie_dieu_warp: 'true'

midnight depot Sep 11, 2023, 6:03 PM

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Criminal

fresh hill Sep 11, 2023, 6:04 PM

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it's not even as powerful as HK benchwarp lol

fierce vale Sep 11, 2023, 6:07 PM

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this rando would be painful as shit without it though tbf UraWheeze

fresh hill Sep 11, 2023, 6:07 PM

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yep, the whole premise of randomization makes fast travel more desirable than usual, so a lot of them have more than the vanilla game

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both Blasphemi have prie dieu warp in vanilla but as a late game upgrade

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now I'm 95% sure this is the trap room where Quirce jumps me when I go for the item

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yep, can't grab the ledge on the left, no avoiding it

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good thing this is rando rdwut

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I've waited a long time for this starlightsmugcat

midnight depot Sep 11, 2023, 6:12 PM

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He will fucking suffer

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You have the 35% fire reduction, the 25% fire reduction

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And is that the 10% all element damage reduction?

fresh hill Sep 11, 2023, 6:13 PM

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oh I didn't even think to stack them

midnight depot Sep 11, 2023, 6:13 PM

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With the frozen olive giving you another 50% reduction when you're at low health you should be quite difficult to kill

fresh hill Sep 11, 2023, 6:14 PM

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well I'd rather have the fervour regen, attack up and defense up

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but yeah there's a million bead builds to choose from here

midnight depot Sep 11, 2023, 6:14 PM

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These are defense up

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You have seven slots, so you can fit these four and another three

fresh hill Sep 11, 2023, 6:15 PM

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ok, let's do this properly now that my warm-up death is over

#Archipelago Multiworld Multi-game Randomizer