#Archipelago Multiworld Multi-game Randomizer

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weary lagoon
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thats funny because you found 2 (I got the ammo upgrade as well)

weary lagoon
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wow..

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it wasnt your song it was 105 rupee ice trap

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ey I made it to 40%

ancient harness
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Yeah good luck with that

weary lagoon
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well

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you only need the membership card + eponas song OR longshot

ancient harness
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Yeah, sadly Requiem doesn't do it

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But who knows if another song will

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Well, Requiem might do it, given what we said the other day about being necessary

weary lagoon
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@midnight depot is Ether important

ancient harness
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I skipped in Adult ZD with hover boots

weary lagoon
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just walked through the waterfall?

midnight depot
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No it's trash

weary lagoon
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alright

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im buying it for the progress %

ancient harness
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Yeah hover from the edge where you jump with the cuckoo

midnight depot
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That's fair

weary lagoon
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guess ill go to king zora and prepare for getting the letter

ancient harness
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If only Adult Link could hold a deku stick...

weary lagoon
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what for

midnight depot
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He's too afraid of looking childish

ancient harness
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So much stuff here at the bottom

ancient harness
weary lagoon
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you didnt do that when you were there as a kid?

ancient harness
ancient harness
weary lagoon
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but it doesnt do anything if you already got the chest

ancient harness
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Ah

weary lagoon
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removing the cutscene of the king moving is such a crime

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@midnight depot big

ancient harness
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Silver gauntles pog

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Now I have to check every red rock

weary lagoon
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meanwhile me without even goron bracelets

ancient harness
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Wait is it grey rocks that I can lift

weary lagoon
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dont know

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red rocks are destroyed by hammer not sure what you need to lift them

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did you unfreeze king zora

ancient harness
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No, he gives something?

weary lagoon
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ye its a check

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zora tunic in vanilla

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Sarias Song magipog

ancient harness
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I can lif the silver rocks in the gerudo rock-treasure-chest room but not hte ones inside death mountain

weary lagoon
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are they the same?

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I know theres 3 big rocks

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one that bombs destroy, one that hammer gets, and one unbreakable (or gold gauntlets?)

ancient harness
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They're grey, as opposed to bombable-brown and hammer-red

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50 skulltuals reward better be good....

weary lagoon
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power star for 255 rupees if i get the better wallet

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i can go to forest temple now

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thats gonna be yet another song and a bunch of checks

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only have 1 key though

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Eponas song

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I have every regular song but only two warps

ancient harness
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Adult zora shop is the same as child right

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No need to unfreeze

weary lagoon
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ye

ancient harness
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20 rupees ICANT

weary lagoon
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I found another dreamer

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maybe thats all 3

ancient harness
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Buy me saria song

weary lagoon
ancient harness
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oh

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Holy hell

weary lagoon
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Lullaby magipog

ancient harness
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That was on the limit with hover boots

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The great faerie fountains you only need to go once with either version right

weary lagoon
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they dont change from child to adult

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except the one outside ganons castle / hyrule castle

ancient harness
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That one, death mountain, frozen lake and what else?

weary lagoon
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death mountain crater requires hammer

ancient harness
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Ah

weary lagoon
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pog

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you can get like 9 checks in goron city now

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all the outcomes from the pot

ancient harness
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Oh fuck I have to do it for every reward

weary lagoon
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ah my worst enemy

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block that you're supposed to be able to move but I dont even have the child strength upgrade so I cant

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thats it for forest temple

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My progress in forest, fire and water are all blocked by these blocks you're just supposed to be able to move rdsnrk

ancient harness
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Oh right magic lense

weary lagoon
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you found your magic?

ancient harness
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Yeah in that cluster of rupees

weary lagoon
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nice

ancient harness
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Remember where I needed to light fires as an adult is kinda rought. I did graveyard and that's about it

weary lagoon
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do you have hookshot

ancient harness
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no

weary lagoon
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thats rough

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did you check for the hint in dampes hut

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We're doing the same thing lol

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BUNNY HOOD

ancient harness
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The jar is spitting rupees so it's probably done

weary lagoon
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ye looks like you got all 3 outcomes in the log

ancient harness
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Who does spooky mask go to

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nvm

weary lagoon
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Bro i lost the race for Epona..

ancient harness
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Lol

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lmao even

weary lagoon
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alright alright

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I should be able to get a lot of checks in gerudo training grounds

ancient harness
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So when I sell the bunny mask to the running man I get an item?

weary lagoon
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im not sure

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havent thought about it yet because the running man only spawns when you have all 3 spiritual stones

ancient harness
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Right

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Well at least I'm fast

weary lagoon
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fml I have to do horse archery minigame now

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can not for the life of me find the last carpenter

ancient harness
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I don't understand what I'm supposed to do

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The stuff is just floating there and it's not an invis platform

weary lagoon
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oh the rupees

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that I didnt grab

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uh

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no hookshot target above?

ancient harness
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No just an infinite black chasm-ceiling

weary lagoon
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hookshot them?

ancient harness
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Song of time says Gamefaqs

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All videos just ignore them

weary lagoon
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ah

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you have that right nice

ancient harness
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Nothing important there

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Gotta look up all song of time checks because I barely know a few

weary lagoon
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well a charm

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flitter needs those

ancient harness
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Okay no other time blocks I can access right now

weary lagoon
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im supposed to get 1500 points on this shit..

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I got 790

ancient harness
weary lagoon
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yeah its called progressive hookshoot

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but the autocorrect to slingshot is so bad

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I got the reward for 1000

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ill just pretend like the 1500 is a green rupee

ancient harness
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I hope it's not something of mine

fresh hill
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oh no, you found the one weakness of levenshtein distance suggestions

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tbf I'm impressed this thing has suggestions at all

ancient harness
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It should not decide to use your hint without an exact match

weary lagoon
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maybe flitter can reset it

ancient harness
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It's fine now I'm gonna learn BotW early

weary lagoon
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missing 1 gtg key for the final chest (its golden of course)

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OH THE JARS GIVE 100 POINTS

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this minigame might be doable

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im the greatest gamer of all time

ancient harness
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BotW early stpc_pppog

weary lagoon
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no song of storms?

ancient harness
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Just ISG and a cuckoo

weary lagoon
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whats ISG again

ancient harness
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Infinite Sword Glitch

sage dawn
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That doesn't let you skip hammer. You still need it for the last hit. It's just the quick kill

weary lagoon
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yay look at my archery score

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its the greatest score of all time

sage dawn
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Yeah randomizer adds a 999

weary lagoon
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im gonna need a map for this bottom of the well room without eye of truth..

sage dawn
ancient harness
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I guess the filter masks that

sage dawn
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I fucking suck at archery

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And there are two easy ways to do BotW early. One with ISG and Cucco, one with Navi text.

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There's also trade item diving and magic diving but I don't know how to do either of those

weary lagoon
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time for my 50 skulltula reward

ancient harness
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It's gonna be good

weary lagoon
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glowing womb!

sage dawn
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I don't think I need any more power stars

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I can actually full clear the game now

weary lagoon
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are there no checks on top of the castle

sage dawn
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No

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It's just yoshi and a wing cap up there

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I do think it would be cool to shuffle yoshi

weary lagoon
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i think im back in BK now after a looong session

sage dawn
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Also wow I didn't realize you were doing rupee shuffle and shit

weary lagoon
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went from like 35 to 58% ppenk

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i only shuffled skulls and keys

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wcct shuffled everything in the game

ancient harness
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There's some settings that I unwittingly selected

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But it is what it is

weary lagoon
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time for dinner and after that yay has probably gotten me like 3 new key items

ancient harness
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I expected more from the coffins

sage dawn
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I mean I can only play for like 20 more minutes

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Holiday and I have to visit gf's family

weary lagoon
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Mario 64 only takes 20 minutes

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the same guy has WR in almost every category..

ancient harness
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Bro rancid egss should not be in big chests

weary lagoon
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this is what ive always said

sage dawn
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Yeah they should go in the skultula chests

ancient harness
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Now I'm really in BK mode

weary lagoon
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Nah you gotta check your tracker

ancient harness
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Can't get the LW ones without scales

weary lagoon
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i see. not with iron boots?

ancient harness
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There's different things as child than with adult

weary lagoon
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ooh

ancient harness
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Saria had good stuff for you

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Always a bestie

weary lagoon
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magic is nice

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cant use the dungeon keys yet

ancient harness
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HUGE GAUNTLETS

weary lagoon
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you're telling me I could have had those from the start rdsnrk

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but yeah very nice they were gatekeeping me in 3 dungeons

ancient harness
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Well I didn't know about that stuff until I had left Kokiri

weary lagoon
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ye

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you've done well considering how crazy your settings are

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for your first time

ancient harness
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Fuck nighttime skulltulas

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At least I think that's how I've been to ZR 1000 times and I'm missing two

weary lagoon
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skulltula spawns also depend on being kid or adult really annoying

ancient harness
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Right

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Also hookshot

weary lagoon
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oh yeah still no hookshoot..

ancient harness
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Mirror shiedl....

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When do you get "Sheik in Kakariko"?

weary lagoon
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you need fire water and forest medalion

weary lagoon
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ppenk didnt even know you could get the giants knife

ancient harness
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I think I remember a setting about not randomising that one, because I got mine where you're supposed to get it

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Or so I think. I got it from the big goron inside the city

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The room behind 4 bombable walls

weary lagoon
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ye he sold me a recovery heart

ancient harness
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I guess it makes sense ain't nobody gonna use it, you don't want to get that from a chest or something

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And 1 extra check ain't worth it

weary lagoon
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nothing good in fire, will need more keys and hammer to progress

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im on 60 so I can hint but not sure what I want 02think

ancient harness
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How many songs do you have

weary lagoon
ancient harness
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Crazy

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Specially considering I have 5 and I found 2 in the few hours

weary lagoon
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my songs are on song locations though

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golden scale!

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wonder if it does more than the 1 check in the lab

ancient harness
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Songs in song locations instead of anywhere might be nice, I'll have to try that next time

weary lagoon
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they are kinda the big "items" in this game so its cool to work towards them

ancient harness
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Yeah, there's difficulty getting to them so it would be nice if you got one even if it's not the vanilla one

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Guaranteed something new to go do

weary lagoon
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just performed a crazy sequence break for your water temple key

ancient harness
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Well, I've used all my songs at the frogs so far so you're waiting on whichever has it

weary lagoon
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apparently theres a great fairy in the desert too

ancient harness
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Oh yeah, right next to the dungeon

weary lagoon
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WHAT

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you can walk across the quicksand with hover boots

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thought that was a long shot check

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got your song of storms

ancient harness
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That's a good number of grottos

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And BotW but I did that

weary lagoon
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im at the colossus give me good stuff

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Bolero, could have been better for sure

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cant enter the dungeon without silver gauntlets but at least I got both of us a song

ancient harness
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Love key is basically the only good thing out of my SoS grottos

weary lagoon
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Flitter has like 6 new key items when he starts Hollow Knight

midnight depot
midnight depot
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Oh, sorry for the ping

midnight depot
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Good morning all.

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I'm looking for my gathering swarm if it's convenient. It should be in yay's world. at BoB: Bob-omb Buddy in the THI Tiny entrance

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Now I should probably spin some time

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There's Artiks's megaton hammer

weary lagoon
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Now I can defeat the evil dragon

sage dawn
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Yeah you can do the explosives on the hole or weird shot to shoot it with the bow underground, but last shot always has to be hammer stun into sword damage.

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Sticks probably work too, but that's only if you're randomizing master sword.

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I should really learn weird shot.

midnight depot
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Thanks for the items, everyone! That's every dreamer, so now I have to find the second king's fragment and the void heart so I can finish the game

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I cleared every shop. It doesn't look like I can get to many new places (other than for the simple key I got earlier

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Oh yeah, and the love key. It looks like I can also use left crystal dash to say hi to sheo

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Progressive Strength Upgrade for Artiks

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Wcctnoam's bomb bag was all the way in the black egg temple

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Oh yeah, you need right dash too

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Wait, no! You can double jump to the right just barely

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Lens of Truth for Artiks

midnight depot
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Progressive Strength for Wcctnoam

ancient harness
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That's one new check since this evening

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5 rupees ICANT

midnight depot
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And it looks like Hollow Knight is in BK mode again. I need:
1- Lumafly Lantern.
2- Isma's Tear.
3- Kingfragment 2.
4- Void Heart.
5- Right mothwing cloak.

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And to make any progress in Timespinner I need Security Key card D, which should be in Artiks's world at Spirit Temple Compass Chest.

ancient harness
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Catch my ass trying to steal Epona

midnight depot
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You still don't have the horse?

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You should be starting with Epona

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Oh I guess you also want Epona's song

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FlitterTR's Timespinner Wheel is at Forest Temple GS First Room in Wcctnoam's World.

ancient harness
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This skip is definitely not something I can manage

midnight depot
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With Timespinner wheel and Timespinner gear 3 I should be able to beat the game

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What items do you need to get there without a skip?

ancient harness
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Hookshot

midnight depot
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I see.

sage dawn
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I figured out the only way to make Rainbow Ride worse

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Make it metal cap entrance

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It had dins fire though

ancient harness
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Holy hookshot

sage dawn
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Finally found Tiny Huge but I forget what I was hunting for there

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Oh was it hookshot?

ancient harness
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So much room for activities

sage dawn
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Lol got your beans the moment you have hookshot and don't need most of them

midnight depot
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No it's uh

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Gathering swarm

ancient harness
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They really mead it so the mirror shield does not reflect deku nuts

ancient harness
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3rd jewel pog

sage dawn
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Basically full cleared.

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Missed a 1up block in wet dry, and have red coin star and a 1up block in the final level

ancient harness
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Is the ocarina in the moat the only check of all 3 jwels

midnight depot
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Oh yeah, you're at 97%

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Well done.

ancient harness
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Assuming open Door of Time

midnight depot
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If you're done with the game don't forget to do !release for the remaining items

sage dawn
ancient harness
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Who gives you the song of time then

sage dawn
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Picking up ocarina gives you both checks

ancient harness
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Ah cool

midnight depot
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I guess I gotta play other games until I'm freed

weary lagoon
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volagia held geo rock and spirit medallion

midnight depot
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I have no idea why some geo rocks are randomized even though I selected the option not to

weary lagoon
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ill see what I can do in spirit temple without longshot

midnight depot
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You could use one of your hints to find it

weary lagoon
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I did

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its wccts frogs

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so he needs eponas and suns song

midnight depot
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Oh

weary lagoon
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i got the security card you wanted

midnight depot
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Nice! Thanks

weary lagoon
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found wccts bolero

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definitely the most useless song for him rn

midnight depot
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Ah thanks, double jump

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Looks like I'm now locked behind keycards B and C. C only contains a few checks while B allows me to go to the next area.

weary lagoon
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found wccts suns song

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just epona left magipog

midnight depot
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Ah that's perfect. Spirit Temple boss chest had a potion for me

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I should probably take those out of the randomizer next time I play Timespinner

weary lagoon
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Nice! I had the exact amount of keys needed to get to the end of spirit

midnight depot
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That's great

weary lagoon
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i missed out on one check I need fire arrows for

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Twinrowa had the gilded egg and forest medalion!

midnight depot
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Gilded egg is neat. It boosts familiar experience, but you need to get it early for it to count

weary lagoon
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got pretty far in shadow, but ran into a longshot target I couldnt get to

midnight depot
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Weaversong, heavy blow, fury of the fallen. Thanks!

weary lagoon
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didnt find anything for wcct except suns song so I hope he still has places to go with the hookshot

ancient harness
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Yeah whatever I can do in Forest and Water temples with half their keys

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I'm not sure what boss keys I have

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Right, tracker. I'm good for boss keys escepr Forest and Ganon

midnight depot
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Does the tracker not tell you?

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Oh yeah

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Other than the tracker you can open the log file and Ctrl+f

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What condition did you choose for Ganon's boss key?

ancient harness
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It's probably anywhere

midnight depot
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shuffle_ganon_bosskey: remove

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Looks like you won't need a ganon boss key

weary lagoon
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I shuffled it

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I am saving my 80% hint for that unless someone finds it before I unlock rainbow bridge

midnight depot
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Yeah, you picked keysanity

weary lagoon
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wcct has keysanity too

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but ye ganons key is its own option right

midnight depot
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I mean keysanity specifically for the boss key

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Otherwise known as anywhere

weary lagoon
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@ancient harness You should look at my tracker for water. Thats all I was able to get without longshot

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its a good amount

midnight depot
weary lagoon
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iirc I have 5 keys there but ive only used 3

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might be 4

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oh and you asked about what 3 spiritual stones unlocked. The running man should be in Hyrule field now

ancient harness
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Right

fresh hill
midnight depot
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No that's insane

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The skip for that hole involves a regular dash and a fireball

fresh hill
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ah, that makes way more sense

midnight depot
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The double jump is way easier and you do it on the other side of the loop

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Upon entering the room you can double jump to the right, right mantis claw to grab on to the wall just above the thorns and double jump to the left.

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But usually if you have double jump you have right crystal dash since double jump opens a lot of things

ancient harness
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Nice, Bolero takes me to desert colossus

weary lagoon
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oh right forgot its random

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a lot to do there as child too

ancient harness
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Yeah

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Plnated the magic bean, did the oasis, opened the fairy

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Now I'll do what I can as a child

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This could become a simple two-trip dungeon

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HUGE item for you

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Wait what mask do you use with the scrub theatre in LW?

weary lagoon
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skull and truth

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2 different checks

ancient harness
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This game does not like savestates

midnight depot
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Turn the expansion slot option on if you haven't

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This should allow you to use save states but the option does not show up until you load the game

ancient harness
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That helped thanks

midnight depot
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Fantastic

ancient harness
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Holy hell I got it

midnight depot
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Nice work! Tomorrow should be the last free day I have so I'm going to release my items then. Good night

ancient harness
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Ah but I need longshot

midnight depot
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Can't get to Emperor's tower without keycard D.

ancient harness
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Alrighty

weary lagoon
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isnt that the one I found

ancient harness
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I'll still need longshot but this scarecrow I fixed with hoverboots

midnight depot
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Oh I got keycard D

ancient harness
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Hoverboots have been clutch for a lot of my skips

midnight depot
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I guess I'll play a little instead of going to sleep

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Ah, my bad

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I need keycard B

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D lets me get into the inner security section but B lets me get into the lab from D

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And I'm out of hints so I can't tell you where it is

ancient harness
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Huge get for Artiks

midnight depot
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Oh you got him the Ocarina

ancient harness
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Oh right, the forest boss key I don't have

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Well, that's the rest of the temple done

midnight depot
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Where are you going next?

ancient harness
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Whaterver % of the water temple I can do

midnight depot
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You might have more checks available in the overworld than any other place, considering how many items you have

ancient harness
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The overworld includes everything Gerudo which I can't get to

midnight depot
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Oh that makes sense

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And you need the gerudo membership card for that

ancient harness
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And Epona, or longshot

midnight depot
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I should've made it so I can have more hints

ancient harness
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GINORMOUS get for Artiks

midnight depot
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Wcctnoam sent Boss Key (Ganons Castle) to Artiks

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Yeah I think he'll need that

ancient harness
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This river had a lot of goodies and I ain't even done with it

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Maybe I was

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Yeah nice

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I think I'm done here. Is the chest after Shadow Link the longshot in vanilla?

weary lagoon
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Yeah

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you can get the chest after it

ancient harness
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Yeah I followed the river back to the central room and of course I have nowhere else to go

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But I got everything I could

ancient harness
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Wasteland backwards is so annoying

weary lagoon
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sounds awful

ancient harness
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There's just this tiny turn with bullshit boundaries

weary lagoon
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I did follow a youtube guide to do it blind my first visit this time but it was the right way

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not backwards

ancient harness
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Oh. I rescued one guy and eveyrone is friendly.

weary lagoon
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Oh you didnt shuffle the card?

ancient harness
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I guess, I got it right after

weary lagoon
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Get my boomerang!!

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too bad you dont have Epona

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no horseback archery on keyboard 02lul

ancient harness
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If that's your boomerang I need longshot

weary lagoon
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its in gtg

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and no i got that chest with hookshot

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stand on the top roof and you reach the scarecrow

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my boomerang should be you enter gtg and first room to your right

ancient harness
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7 keys out of 9, here it goes

weary lagoon
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hold up

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you can clear if you dont use wrong keys

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well wrong doors

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make sure you go left not right in the key room

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then youre ok

ancient harness
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What's the efficient way of fighting the skeletons with shields

weary lagoon
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you might need 8/9

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wait until they start their attack animation then swing

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you should go over your tracker carefully in gtg, a lot of hidden checks

ancient harness
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Thanks for the hoverboots trick tho

weary lagoon
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wonder if I can hint your eponas song...

ancient harness
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Never say I don't do anything for you

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GTG paying well

weary lagoon
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I have a big gold chest in the middle I need 1 more key for

ancient harness
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I got one within the key maze so I'm just missing one for the right-path chest

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Got everything else

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And it's a good chest too twicry

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I couldn't finish the other paths either

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Do I have to beat the running man?

weary lagoon
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right path chest should be attainable with no keys by entering via the song of time path in the room with silver rupees

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I have no idea how running man works

ancient harness
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Nevermind it's not a check

weary lagoon
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but you have to do it to get mask of truth right

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which has one (or more?)

ancient harness
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No that's just selling him the bunny ears as a child

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Adult running man is in the carpenter's tent, he challenges to a race but you can never win

weary lagoon
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oh I didnt know about that

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thought we were talking about child

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alright, time to play

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if I have the boomerang I will hunt skulltulas across the world until I find eponas song

ancient harness
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How is Yay 97% done and I'm still finding powerstars

weary lagoon
#

because you only need 70/120 stars to open everything

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its kind of a weird archipelago game

ancient harness
#

I doubt 160/164 checks means she only has 70 stars

weary lagoon
#

you know how it works?

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yay has collected 160/164 checks in her game

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it doesnt mean she has 120 stars

#

as soon as she got 70 stars she could get 164/164

ancient harness
#

No because that 164 is all checks, everything that was randomised. All 120 stars are included, plus the caps and I don't know what else.

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Cannons I guess

weary lagoon
#

yes and everything in SM64 is unlocked when you have 70 stars

#

so glad I turned on bunny hood speed

ancient harness
#

Yeah

#

Also that I bound my Fast Forward button

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Holy hell

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That was a thicc skulltula

weary lagoon
#

eponas song better be on a lon lon ranch skulltula

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me trying to remember all the skulltulas ive had to run past as child..

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one in deku tree for sure

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void heart got

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wrong song...

ancient harness
#

Could be shadow temple tho

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YE that was graveyard

weary lagoon
#

big

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two skulltulas on walls right next to each other

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gj yay!!

sage dawn
weary lagoon
#

I got the light medalion I assume that does nothing

ancient harness
#

I think so

sage dawn
#

Yeah light medalion is kinda useless

#

Also 100% done

#

And that's not me having 164 of my items. It's me checking 164 of my locations

#

You'll be finding stars for a while lol

weary lagoon
#

hm is that adult or child

sage dawn
#

I don't even have 100

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Child only

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At night

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In the box by the two chests

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I don't know why it's a night skull

#

ALSO YO WCCT DOING BACKWARDS WASTELAND?

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Hell yeah speed tricks

weary lagoon
#

child only boulder maze cmon game..

ancient harness
#

I had to because my Epona song doesn't exist

sage dawn
#

And you didn't have long shot yeah

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I don't think backwards wasteland is ever required, but my favorite part about OoT rando is being in BK mode and learning new tricks so I can keep playing out of logic

ancient harness
#

My GTG had Artiks' boomerang which is a huge block

sage dawn
#

Ooh

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Yeah that's pretty important

weary lagoon
#

adult or child?

sage dawn
#

And yeah SM64 is kinda weird in archipelago in the sense that you need like five items to full clear. But I wanted to do something chill after last rando

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Tree is child, above bridge adult

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If you don't have longshot, you need to stand on the fence to reach the adult one IIRC

weary lagoon
#

his frogs has my longshot

sage dawn
#

Final frogs?

weary lagoon
#

yeyeye

sage dawn
#

Oh damn

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Oh the adult one is a night skull by the way

weary lagoon
#

there was one on the tracker that said "colossus hill GS" I couldnt find

#

is it child

sage dawn
#

Adult night skull. You can either ride a magic bean to it or hookshot it from the ground. But then you have to deal with trying to hit it while being attacked by leavers.

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It's the large hill by the great fairy fountain

weary lagoon
#

alright

#

probably cant beat forest on 2 keys but think thats all Ive got left

weary lagoon
#

it was a rancid egg!

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got one more possible check

#

its the gold gauntlets great fairy

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big money big money

#

power star!

sage dawn
#

Yeah you don't need longshot although you already figured it out

#

Also fun fact, that shadow temple trick is in logic

weary lagoon
#

wow

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I was unable to get the scarecrow GS on the ship though

#

Also, ive gone over the list and i think its impossible to get more checks unless I get longshot or more dungeon keys

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Im going to double check water because I have 3 keys there, but I dont think they do me any good without longshot

sage dawn
#

If you have hover boots you can do water temple boss key chest without longshot

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Which is also in logic

weary lagoon
#

oh? ill check it out now

sage dawn
#

Let me grab the faq that lists weird things in logic

weary lagoon
#

I did Central Bow Target Chest without longshot which I thought was pretty badass

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its here right?

#

how do I cross

sage dawn
#

Backflip onto the spikes, and then back walk with hover boots on

weary lagoon
#

jesus christ I did it

#

why is that in logic

sage dawn
#

I don't know lol

ancient harness
#

That's it for shadow temple for me, need 1 key for the final section

weary lagoon
#

i guess if you got water keys you can do this too rdsnrk

ancient harness
#

4 keys and I already used 2

sage dawn
#

You only need four keys if skipped the pillar key door

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Two for dark link and two for boss key

#

Also if you have hovers you can skip the slow puzzle on the way to the boss key by just walking to where the boulders are rolling out in the first room

weary lagoon
#

there you go

ancient harness
#

Damn

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I just left bitch

weary lagoon
#

I guess I cant get to the boss without longshot?

ancient harness
#

What do I do in this room?

weary lagoon
#

shoot the eyes

#

the timing is punishing you need to hit all 4 before any of them go out

sage dawn
#

Yeah you need longshot to get to the boss

#

I think you can do a super slide with hover boots but that's kinda hard

weary lagoon
#

alright im in BK mode ive done all I can

sage dawn
#

Also if you jump on the center platform you can run around the statue and shoot them which is a bit easier

weary lagoon
#

Wcct: once you clear that room you have to come back to it later to enter the door that opens up top. Can also be done with a scarecrow but I couldnt do it with normal hookshot

sage dawn
#

If you come from the top side of the room, you can do the statue and then void out to go back up there

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Just jump in the lava

weary lagoon
#

did I miss something

#

this must be child

sage dawn
#

What areas are these in?

weary lagoon
#

both are spirit temple

sage dawn
#

OH

weary lagoon
#

i cant access it as child

sage dawn
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Sun block room you light all the torches. It can be done as adult

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The metal fence is child only

weary lagoon
#

oh ye that one

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I couldnt do it without fire arrows

sage dawn
#

Yeah without equip swap you need fire arrows

weary lagoon
#

tried with dins fire but im pretty sure the cutscene was too long

sage dawn
#

Yeah I think it is

weary lagoon
#

you have a vendor you can do in lost woods heads up

#

quite a few overworld checks

#

I ignored that scrub because I turned scrubs shuffled off

#

but apparently some scrubs still shuffle ppenk

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i guess its the ones that sell real upgrades in vanilla

ancient harness
#

Cleared out GTG. Time to find out where Prelude takes me

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Also to the spirit temple

weary lagoon
#

what..

ancient harness
#

Timespinner Gear 3 sounds important

weary lagoon
#

did you get on the boat

ancient harness
#

After. There was nothing on the boat

weary lagoon
#

ah I saw all this stuff

ancient harness
#

Those "Before" are by the scarecrow

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Thh rest I can get

weary lagoon
#

oooh

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Yeah I couldnt get to him either

#

lets hope for big money in the 9 rupees

ancient harness
weary lagoon
#

whats the blue thing

ancient harness
#

hearpiece

weary lagoon
#

no keys for me..

ancient harness
#

Oh you can't even get to the boss without longshot

weary lagoon
#

hm

#

dont you shoot the bombs and it blows up the thing

ancient harness
#

Oh

weary lagoon
#

but the door there has another normal key

ancient harness
#

Yeah i have 0

ancient harness
#

Just lost a bunch of progress. Game was running like crap, like 2 frames a second, so I saved and quite, relaunched and I'm back halfway through the forest temple. I get everything everyone got for me since then but everything I got for myself most of the evening I have to get again.

#

So, I !release. Enjoy longshot and Keycard C

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A bunch of keys, a few charms, the rest seems like mostly pickups

weary lagoon
#

ah damn ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

#

that really sucks

ancient harness
#

Unfortunate. At least I got like 80% done or something

weary lagoon
#

ye

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we will never find out where eponas song was..

ancient harness
#

It didn't look like anything else important of mine was in my game

#

I saw another slingshot at the end of the list, though I would've assumed I had them all

weary lagoon
#

guess ill see how far this gets me

ancient harness
#

Longshot is a big get

weary lagoon
#

hm

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it completes water temple

#

not much else

ancient harness
#

Well for me there was random bullshit behind longshots because of the extra pickup rando rdsnrk

weary lagoon
#

hilarious that im about to hit 100 skulltulas in a rando

ancient harness
#

Yeah I was at 87 or something too

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What do you even get at 100 if you didn't rando that, just money?

weary lagoon
#

ye

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im on 90

#

your forest boss key on first longshot check

ancient harness
#

Lol

weary lagoon
#

Kinda weird. ive done everything in water temple but still have one key

ancient harness
#

I remember something about this. Is there one too many maybe?

weary lagoon
#

hm

#

ive never 100%ed OoT so im gonna get every check before Ganon

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vanilla location bow

#

thats it for forest, need more keys

#

didnt get that much done. Flitter has a lot of my dungeon keys

midnight depot
midnight depot
midnight depot
#

Oh you also got me all the security cards!

midnight depot
#

The tablet was in the fucking end of the world

#

Now I have to go back and check every computer in the world to get the checks behind them

#

And that's every check! Time to fight the final boss

#

Next up is Hollow Knight

#

With Hollow Knight I have access to all my abilities and charms so I should be able to get every check

midnight depot
#

And game over

#

That was all but two checks, I believe. Unfortunately the tracker says otherwise

#

It was four checks, not two

weary lagoon
#

looks like im on my own again then

midnight depot
#

Funny how it worked out that way

#

It looks like Wcctnoam did not beat Ganon yet

weary lagoon
#

he quit if you didnt see

#

lost 2-3 dungeons of progress

midnight depot
#

Oh I didn't see that. That sucks

#

One upside of the way archipelago works is any items that you get from other worlds or send to other worlds cannot lost if you reload an older save

#

The only items you lose are ones from your own world

weary lagoon
#

thanks for the final ice trap

#

bongo bongo had vessel fragment!

#

this is funny

#

imagine if yay did !hint power star

midnight depot
#

I wonder if it just picks a random power star or the "next" one

weary lagoon
#

dont you think it shows all of them

#

like !Hint progressive hookshot shows both

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or !hint piece of heart gave me all

midnight depot
#

It would be silly to give you many items for the price of one hint

#

I know on Hollow Knight each item is named a unique name so this can never happen

weary lagoon
#

well it does in oot

midnight depot
#

I can understand why you feel hints are too good then

weary lagoon
#

i woldnt do !hint piece of heart unless I didnt need the hint so thats not why

midnight depot
#

Okay, fair enough

weary lagoon
#

the running man paid me 700 rupees for the bunny hood, thanks

midnight depot
#

Seems like a fair deal considering you're almost done

weary lagoon
#

LETS GOOOO

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from phantom ganon

midnight depot
#

He can finally play

weary lagoon
#

good ganons chest

midnight depot
#

No he's nice

weary lagoon
#

2 more checks, bottom of the well GS behind a locked door and ganons boss key

ancient harness
#

Epona's song stpc_pppog

midnight depot
#

"100 spiders of the curse"

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I love this

#

What a contrived way to shoehorn a collectible quest. They didn't have to go that far

weary lagoon
#

the last GS was a mask shard

ancient harness
#

Randomising the random rupees and hearts was kind of fun because it allowed these clusters of items you could get to every now and then. The only problem really was I didn't know I did that at first, and not knowing where they all are, but at least I do know

#

Random song teleportation that's a no, I'd rather they take me where they take me

midnight depot
#

Yeah

weary lagoon
#

last check in the game

ancient harness
#

Don't you have chest matches contents?

weary lagoon
#

yes

ancient harness
#

Maybe I never got a purple rupee in a chest but if you had asked me it would be in a small chest

weary lagoon
#

the size doesnt change

midnight depot
#

That's hilarious

weary lagoon
#

looks like he has a lot of custom dialogue

#

he said something else last time

#

And we're done

#

Great run everyone. Had a lot of fun with the fewer hints. Felt like a treasure hunt

midnight depot
#

I'm glad you had fun!

#

That's everyone's game.

#

It's a shame Wcctnoam lost some data at the end.

weary lagoon
#

so he had Epona unlocked without the song?

midnight depot
#

Correct

#

Or at least, that's how I understand the log

weary lagoon
#

I guess in logic he could have gotten me the boomerang early then

#

if we knew

midnight depot
#

It doesn't make any mentions of Epona, other than that you're allowed to skip the epona race

#

So maybe it does that by "giving" you Epona but you actually need the song to summon her?

weary lagoon
#

ah

ancient harness
#

I don't understand

#

I don't have Epona song for sure

#

I mean I didn't. And didn't Artiks find it earlier today?

midnight depot
#

Yeah

#

It might be that you're given Epona but she's inaccessible unless you have the song

ancient harness
#

Oh I see

midnight depot
#

It looks like that in the "intended" progression, Wcctnoam finishes last, with my Hollow Knight game, my Timespinner game, Artiks, and yay899 in reverse order

ancient harness
#

MAkes sense giben my amount of checks

midnight depot
#

yay899 finishes so early that the game keeps going for 28 more steps

#

We never found Security Keycard B, but it was supposed to be on the fourth step

weary lagoon
#

yeah the skulltula in wccts graveyard

ancient harness
#

I got the one in the soft soil

weary lagoon
#

theres one on the wall at night

ancient harness
#

Hookshot needed?

weary lagoon
#

boomerang

#

its child

midnight depot
#

It was Graveyard GS Wall (Wcctnoam): Security Keycard B (FlitterTR)

ancient harness
#

I see

midnight depot
#

Needs slingshot and boomerang, I think

weary lagoon
#

only boomerang

midnight depot
#

Oh I saw a video with both, but it makes sense

weary lagoon
#

you're bound to miss a few things playing a randomizer for a game you havent played for 20 years haha

midnight depot
#

Yeah!

#

It's fine that we missed it

weary lagoon
#

i had to look up a lot of skulltulas and grottos

#

never in my life done the song of storms grottos

#

or the really weird secret grotto in zoras domain

#

if you ever play again, make sure to enable the setting that makes it so night time skulltulas wont be in logic before suns song

ancient harness
#

I found a nice list of grottos by areas but not one of skulltulas by areas, just straight up the 100 of them in some random order

weary lagoon
#

Now I'll have to decide if I want to jump straight into the MM rando or finally play FF VII Remake

midnight depot
#

Might be better to set up the randomizer and leave it, taking a break with the remake

#

Today I learned Nintendo invented Boomrats

#
Zelda Dungeon Wiki

Real Bombchus are the living mouse-like counterpart of the Bombchu which runs around and explodes upon contact with Link. They are the in-game inspiration for Bombchus. Real Bombchus were first introduced in Majora's Mask, and later appeared in The Wind Waker and Four Swords Adventures.

weary lagoon
#

maybe ill do the wind waker one too

#

great way to replay classics

fresh hill
midnight depot
#

I see

weary lagoon
#

So sad we never got Wcct doing horse archery minigame on keyboard gameplay...

ancient harness
#

I would've bound the mouse for that

#

But it would been painful, I tried it a bit

#

At least you don't have to control Epona during that

#

Getting the big poes would've been impossible tho, probably

weary lagoon
#

the big poe is easy, I did it without Epona

#

just pulled out my bow as soon as it spawned and fired twice

ancient harness
#

I saw them spawn sometimes but they would instantly run away and disappear

weary lagoon
#

ye they have set spawn points so I knew where and when it would pop out

sage dawn
#

Definitely easier to do without Epona yeah

#

Although the spawn rate is worse without Epona

#

Only 2/5 apparently

#

Instead of always

sage dawn
#

We should run another one of these

fierce vale
weary lagoon
#

Flitter is still in Japan

#

is Majoras Mask in yet

fresh hill
#

in Archipelago?

weary lagoon
#

OOTMM has multiworld if everyones up for that rdsnrk

midnight depot
#

I'm back!

#

(I'm up for a game starting tomorrow or a day in this week)

#

It's a little late right now and I need 20 hours of sleep but let's talk details soon

sage dawn
#

I'm down for OOTMM multiworld but I don't know the MM half very well

midnight depot
#

And I know neither so we're half even

ancient harness
#

I don't think it's everyone does both? Just everyone does one or the other?

#

Tho of course it should be balanced numbers

midnight depot
#

Yeah.

#

Maybe we can change this thread to be about Multiworld randomizers in general

fierce vale
#

FujiTeehee i dont know either super well but i'll join and dream

#

i just might have to use a guide

midnight depot
#

That way we can do an at here

ancient harness
#

I think OOT is easier to do even if you never did it than MM with the same nill experience

fierce vale
#

i've played both, but its probably been like 15 years for oot and like 10 for MM fs_fascinating

#

but ye, oot would be fine by me

midnight depot
#

I have more interest in Majora's Mask

ancient harness
#

OOT for me too, I don't dare to do MM

midnight depot
#

Okay so I will need someone's expertise to guide me at first, but I'm willing to organize an Ocarina of Time / Majora's Mask group Multiworld and get everyone interested up to speed

#

Questions:
1- Does it support asynchronous play?
2-Does it support an arbitrary number of players?
3- Which emulators would work?

#

I can probably figure these out on my own tomorrow

ancient harness
#

Artiks will know a little

weary lagoon
#

OOTMM is everyone does both

#

its wild

ancient harness
#

Oof

fierce vale
#

rdsnrk that'll take a while especially with some semi blind playthroughs

weary lagoon
#

yes MM is hard

#

It can be played asynchronous

#

think you need project 64

#

and yeah you can be whatever from 2 to 120 something

fresh hill
#

if I'm reading this right, Artiks and Yay seemed up for OoT + MM, but everyone else was responding as if they'd only play one of those two games?

midnight depot
#

Fantastic. I'm in!

#

I'm playing both but I might need a while. I think I can finish both in fifteen days so how about we make the run two months long?

weary lagoon
#

I dont know if MM rando would be fun blind

#

you have to know the side quests

midnight depot
#

I'll pick easy settings and look at guides

weary lagoon
#

it is the best rando ive played. the devs add so much cool stuff

#

they are working on adding this to archipelago so I think it wont be too long before those who want to can play that and those who want to play other stuff can do that

midnight depot
#

Correct. I have been keeping track but I don't think it will be this year

fierce vale
#

PL_lunateehee i'll join only on one if possible even if its 2 months, i will 100% forget about it or get distracted before completing both

midnight depot
#

Okay

#

I'm also interested in Oracle of Seasons/Ages (also coming to archipelago)

weary lagoon
#

i still have to beat that vanilla ive done 2 dungeons

fresh hill
#

(probably half the channel knows this already but just to be clear, I'm also not interested in playing an OoT or an MM randomizer, much less both; I haven't even played regular MM)

midnight depot
#

Hmm

#

So what if we do a regular archipelago soon and wait for OOTMM to come to it?

ancient harness
#

Though playing MM daunts me I also don't want to run two games and switch between them. One is enough and the ideal for me

#

Do OOTMM and I'll join on the next one there's no issue

fierce vale
#

HatPensive i could play 2 if i knew them well enough i could just focus a bunch of goals, but lack of knowledge would make them fall apart

midnight depot
#

Yeah, so I could take it slow and do one archipelago run where I run Ocarina of Time to start

weary lagoon
#

hm

#

Pokemon red or super mario 64 for me

midnight depot
#

And hopefully by the time we do another, OOTMM comes to archipelago

weary lagoon
#

I cant play just OOT anymore its dead to me

midnight depot
#

I agree

#

I'll think about what I want to play tomorrow then invite everyone into an asynchronous archipelago game of their choosing with a time limit of 15-30 days

ancient harness
#

What's pokemon rando like

midnight depot
#

Random

#

Really random

#

Usually too easy

fresh hill
#

hm, for Archipelago... my choice is probably between Blasphemous, Link to the Past, and Super Mario 64

weary lagoon
#

yo links awakening is in this

midnight depot
#

Pokemon runs take 2-6 hours if you have a map and tracker ready or know the game

#

The randomizer makes it fun for archipelago by adding more HM gates and key item gates

weary lagoon
#

since you are keeping tabs on this, is Wind Waker in development?

#

that rando is so polished

fierce vale
#

for me its ds3 again, factorio (though factorio is pretty annoying to setup looking at it), raft (maybe? i don't know how well it would work with randomiser), super mario world, super mario 64

midnight depot
#

Wind Waker is not in development

weary lagoon
#

why not ..

midnight depot
#

Someone promised to work on it and then went silent

#

Last news I see is from January

fierce vale
#

peek_Cube since your looking, can you peek at hat in time

#

it was labled as in progress last i checked

midnight depot
#

Hat in Time is in beta. You can grab a world file or something? I'll have to look later

fierce vale
#

woke i might hop in on hatty time though i'd need a second game

#

twicrazy i'll join on 4 instances of hat in time

weary lagoon
fierce vale
ancient harness
midnight depot
#

Why does ponydev have the horny one?

ancient harness
#

It's a furry server

midnight depot
#

So's Manechat

ancient harness
#

It's a furry programmers server

midnight depot
#

Understandable have a nice day

fierce vale
#

namazu_burn my dream of 4 hatty time worlds seems possible

#

cutelittledudegoingcrazy gonna be in so much pain

midnight depot
#

It's possible but insane

#

Just run two and a short other game

fierce vale
#

CattoCry i was going through the server and theres an abandoned version of a celeste randomizer

midnight depot
#

All right

#

It's time to make a formal announcement and see if there's interest. @ancient harness, can I ping @here or something, or should I just not bother?

ancient harness
#

@here

midnight depot
#

Good afternoon, all.

I'm starting another Manechat Asynchronous Archipelago Game, with the intent of running until September. If you're interested, please read the list of available games https://archipelago.gg/games and pick one or more games to run, then ping me so I can keep track of you and help you out with any problems. Anyone is free to join, so feel free to invite friends or people you think might make the game more entertaining, but I won't advertise the game out of this thread.

For this run, I'll be running hollow knight and ocarina of time. Whenever you've picked a game, feel free to customize the settings and then send me a YAML file.

#

If you need any help just talk to me. You have one day to pick a game. We'll start ~24 hours from now.

#

Assuming you play five hours a week total, you will have 15 hours to finish your game.

fierce vale
#

@midnight depot 2 hatty time and a pokemon red presuming i can get it working CoolHat

midnight depot
#

Great! Do try to set up a solo game with two instances of a hat in time just to make sure you can do it

#

Some games do not work well if you play more than one copy at once

fierce vale
#

the yaml specifies that it should be possible but thats the (if i can get it working) clause

clear summit
#

I think I may try minecraft

midnight depot
#

Do you have info about A Hat in Time?

#

Minecraft might be a tad weird, so would appreciate it if you pick relatively conservative settings to ensure the archipelago game runs smoothly

clear summit
#

I will, I am not really good at minecraft anyway

#

But I am also pretty sure it would be possible for even me to beat ender dragon in time

#

I will disable all the 'hard' and 'unreasonable' achievements, I don't want to do them anyway

midnight depot
#

Yeah!

ancient harness
#

I'll do another OOT

fresh hill
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awkward, that's right in the middle of an in-office work day for me

clear summit
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I may not be able to super actively play for first few days

midnight depot
fresh hill
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lol, the Blasphemous randomizer has a setting that makes anyone dying kill everyone else in the multiworld (I assume it only covers other Blasphemouses but)

midnight depot
midnight depot
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It covers every game that has the setting

fresh hill
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oooh

midnight depot
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Including Hollow Knight and so on

fresh hill
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but yeah bad for us

ancient harness
fierce vale
clear summit
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Oh

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I forgot that I kept my old yaml, it saved as Jay_1 rdwut

weary lagoon
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im going to play OoT again maybe itll be fun in archipelago now that I know every single nook and cranny of that game

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and I dont wanna set up another game

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02think I thought the keyrings were implemented

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oh there it is

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def playing that

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I added max ice traps enjoy

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hm..

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Im gonna change from onslaught to mayhem

midnight depot
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Okay, so I'm going to make a quick list of who's in:
Joining:
Flitter (Hollow Knight, Ocarina of Time)
Chip (Pokemon Red, A Hat in Time x2)
Wcctnoam (Ocarina of Time. YAML at #1119170161518334004 message)
Jay (Minecraft. YAML at #1119170161518334004 message)
Artiks (Ocarina of Time. YAML at #1119170161518334004 message)

midnight depot
weary lagoon
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I put 8 triforce shards in my game, should be exciting

midnight depot
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Nice

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I'm thinking for Ocarina of Time I might want to make the game as closed as possible at the start and slowly open up so I don't get overwhelmed but eventually can reach anywhere

weary lagoon
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I make mine very closed cause its fun

midnight depot
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Yeah but I want every location to be accessible

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So I get to experience the whole game

weary lagoon
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right

midnight depot
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I'm also going for triforce hunt!

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But I'll have 20 pieces, and only need 10 to finish

weary lagoon
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its always 8..

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you're breaking established canon

midnight depot
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Fine

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8 and the world contains 16 (So I don't get stuck)

weary lagoon
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I get that if it was a solo game but theres 6+ worlds

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Most of your pieces arent going to be in your game

midnight depot
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Correct!

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That's why there's a bunch of them instead of exactly 8

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I don't want to be stuck for too long and slow people down

weary lagoon
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stuck on what

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they arent gating anything

midnight depot
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They gate the end

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My reasoning is I want to have to finish a good segment of the game before I'm able to release all my items, but I don't want to get stuck for so long other people get bored.

weary lagoon
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so you're locking the rainbow bridge behind the triforce?

midnight depot
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No I'm just enabling triforce hunt mode

weary lagoon
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Ok I get it you want the game to be in a finished state so you can !release when you want to even if youre not done

midnight depot
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Yeah, I want to be able to finish the game in about 30 hours total

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And I know a 100% of the game can take a newbie like me ~80 hours

midnight depot
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Thanks so much for your help

weary lagoon
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Do open forest or you might get stuck in BK in the first 5 minutes while we find you the deku shield.
I dont know what small keys regional is.
I like ganon bosskey on keysanity
Keyring isnt really a normal OoT experience so idk if Id do it first time.
Also wouldnt turn off escape sequence, guard stealth and epona race for a first timer
Free scarecrow is a very nice QOL you should consider
Chicken count at 7 for first time

midnight depot
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Oh yeah. Open forest it is.
Small keys regional means that for each dungeon, the keys for that dungeon will be in the region.
Keyring is there to ensure people don't have to find me like twenty different small keys, but I'll turn it off!
I don't want to do guard stealth or epona race, but I'll re-enable escape sequence.

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I didn't want to be stuck with one impossible cuccoo so I set it to 4 but I guess 7 is fine

weary lagoon
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I would consider to do small keys in dungeon to avoid the many revisits that comes with keysanity

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kinda overwhelming first time

midnight depot
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Yeah

weary lagoon
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the cucco game is one of the most memorable parts of OoT, same with child stealth, and they arent hard or anything

midnight depot
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I agree

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They are memorable but I've seen them a million times

weary lagoon
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yeah but this time its all you!!

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and both of them take like 3-5 min

midnight depot
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Okay, I'll enable them!

weary lagoon
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if you skip epona race you dont get that jump over the fence part

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peak of the game ๐Ÿ˜”

midnight depot
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I got that part in Twilight Princess

fresh hill
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considering my energy levels so far this week, I think I'm gonna have to sit out this archipelago

midnight depot
midnight depot
weary lagoon
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skullsanity is fun but finding 100 skulltulas you dont know where is would take a while

midnight depot
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Yeah, did I pick that by accident?

weary lagoon
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no its off

midnight depot
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Oh good. I agree! Finding all skulltulas is crazy

weary lagoon
fierce vale
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@midnight depot heya, can i get some assitance testing the hat in time install? its theoretically installed and working but i dont know any extras i may need

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(i dont know what i'd need to do with the apworld file for example FujiTeehee )

midnight depot
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Sure. I'll try things out tomorrow and tell you what I find out

fierce vale
fierce vale
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PL_lunateehee and an easy but very randomised everything pokemon red

midnight depot
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It's tomorrow

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So let's try to figure out how A Hat in Time works

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@fierce vale so it looks like you need to mod your game first in accordance with #1120157130100572260 message (On the Archipelago server)

fierce vale
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yeah, i've got it all setup on my end for at least one save

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i just need to find out if it actually works and i dont know what to do with the apworld file+how to setup the server part

midnight depot
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Okay, next

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I gotta download the APworlds file from the github repository and put it on my computer then generate a game using it

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I actually have no clue how to generate

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Okay!

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You can join as Chip1