but now I think my only remaining options are ||trying the Mist again|| or ✨ TROBBIO ✨
#Hollow Knight/Silksong
primal hedge
I'm gonna do the latter first, I've been putting this off way too long and I have a bazillion upgrades and tools I didn't when I first found him
cerulean vigil
funnily enough, my trick to beating the latter was from the prior 
versed wagon
awoo
mortal yarrow
awoo!
primal hedge
ok I was expecting the plot coupon to be 1-3 rooms away but this has turned into quite the adventure; somehow I'm up here now???
yeah they definitely expected me to do these things in a different order 
mortal yarrow
yeah they definitely expected me to do these things in a different order <:rdsnr...
im surprised that many people got the ||song||
it hasn't been all that long and there's so much to the game, i would've thought people would be taking it slower lol
actually nvm there has been a weekend, even people with work would have a chance to play a fair bit
in the silksong mines so long i forgot what day it was
oh my god the flea finale
primal hedge
you say when you're way ahead of me
I don't think I could've done this any faster except by having more raw skill at the game
mortal yarrow
same! and i'm at 93% complete after like 60 hours
how are they going to add to this
$20 game btw
primal hedge
omg lore: ||"Atla" was a specific individual, not just a place name 
||
mortal yarrow
yeah c:
im so glad they gave relics an update, it feels so nice having them matter
well. to me at least sdjfnsjkdf
primal hedge
yeah this is a nice change
though there's also way fewer of them; if we're doing direct comparisons it might be more accurate to say half of the HK relics turned into Silksong rosary necklaces
had to see what the ||queen egg delivery|| was about
before advancing the plot, let's give ||mist|| one more try
I think I've done everything else that can be done except farm for some random items I don't need
ok I'm ready for a hint
||I've tried not alerting the banshees, following the butterflies, playing the needolin, just going through as many rooms as possible, and none of the NPCs outside ever mentioned this place.||
mortal yarrow
||a couple of those may not be incorrect||
primal hedge
I had a feeling it was one of those and I just wasn't getting enough feedback
mortal yarrow
i had to look it up myself, because no one i knew was there yet 
found the final pale oil im assuming
versed wagon
|| Like I said, gotta play the needolin to everything and everyone ||
primal hedge
||honestly half the reason I came back here was because I discovered it works on corpses, so I wanted to try it on the corpses at the start of the mist||
versed wagon
awoo
versed wagon
awoo
primal hedge
||THERE'S A PARRY BUTTON!?!?!??!???!??||
||oh I see it's a separate equippable silk skill||
||hold up... that whole Mist area only existed because this weirdo wouldn't stop playing a giant organ?||
versed wagon
|| I met him and that's when I realised this must be for waaaaay later ||
Felt like I skipped plot
Okay, I've kind of accepted that everything does 2 damage but || there's absolutely no reason for Broodmother's shit-fly kids to do 2 damage, that's just damage inflation ||
Anyway, third-tried that bastard
primal hedge
finally time for me to advance the plot
and maybe learn what any of the stuff Wcct's been doing today is about
versed wagon
Almost same, I'm checking some things but all I have left is Memorium which should have the third third of my song
elfin kettle
Hilarious
primal hedge
wait so wcct's behind me on main plot
primal hedge
Okay, I've kind of accepted that everything does 2 damage but || there's absolut...
oooooh, ok yeah I've done that
versed wagon
After I got two songs I went and did everything that wasn't using double jump in the citadle's center
primal hedge
oh this is gonna take me a while
versed wagon
I don't understand why sometimes I float instead of double jump
Oh, if you're holdign down you float instead of jump
Which really fucks you up if you're pogoing
Memorium time
Hercules beetle please chill
mortal yarrow
Oh, if you're holdign down you float instead of jump
oh my god that wouldve been so nice to know
i've gotten myself hit so many times because i was needing to burn my double jump to glide
versed wagon
WHY IS THE HERCULES BEETLE SO STRONG
primal hedge
oh this is gonna take me a while
whoa... was that 3 tries? 4? now I wish I'd been counting, I expected this to be a huge grind
primal hedge
WHY IS THE HERCULES BEETLE SO STRONG
yeah I spammed tools on it and I feel no shame
||or is this like the first game where it's two final bosses back to back 
||
versed wagon
Longclaw is fucking me on these bells minigame
primal hedge
HAHAHAHA ||there is more to Terminus 
||
versed wagon
I guess part of the intention of Memorium is for you to go || Wait, I don't recognise this biome ||
So far I've seen everything here, which is good
primal hedge
ok this is yet another great fight but I'm not feeling up to grinding it right now
versed wagon
I don't remember where the Cogheart goes, I know I saw the room
If someone does please help me out
I feel it was either Highhalls or Cogwork core
AWOO
primal hedge
@mortal yarrow alright, I have completely run out of leads; where am I missing areas? ||I also know I'm missing items to use on the Deep Docks diving bell and hot rocks barrel, plus something in Whiteward, a suspiciously prominent mirror in Organ, and what looks like a tear in reality in the Cradle||
versed wagon
Sweet thanks
mortal yarrow
<@142446177709850626> alright, I have completely run out of leads; where am I mi...
you can use the needolin on the mirror iirc!
mortal yarrow
also you have all the areas for now, you should be good to continue with the story
primal hedge
ah ok
||the Cartographer achievement is only at 26/28, and I thought this was the final boss... but I guess you're telling me it's not 
||
mortal yarrow
they open up ||from a wish at some point,|| dw about it for now ^^
cerulean vigil
have you fought ||the unravelled||
cerulean vigil
thats what your missing in whiteward, my only hint that isnt a direct path is ||that its fully constrained to whiteward||
primal hedge
ah
versed wagon
<:mewGiggle:731377769719529514> thats what your missing in whiteward, my only hi...
Is that || behind the intricate key or whatever you need there? ||
cerulean vigil
||yeah||
versed wagon
Haven't found that yet, but I'm just now finishing the act 2 quest
Doing baby's first ||path of pain ||
|| Someone else really likes saws ||
primal hedge
I feel like I've done that but I can't tell which quest you're referring to
mortal yarrow
<:mewGiggle:731377769719529514> thats what your missing in whiteward, my only hi...
thanks for the hint! a wish i have was referring to a ||surgeon spurned|| and i figured that meant i missed a boss
versed wagon
I feel like I've done that but I can't tell which quest you're referring to
Archicet's Melody
mortal yarrow
thanks for the hint! a wish i have was referring to a ||surgeon spurned|| and i ...
that being said, my assumption was wrong 
it meant a different one
primal hedge
<:mewGiggle:731377769719529514> thats what your missing in whiteward, my only hi...
found it, and makes sense that I missed it before since ||it appears to require double jump||
primal hedge
Archicet's Melody
oooh now I remember, yeah I almost made the same comment while I was doing it
versed wagon
This elavator takes way too long
cerulean vigil
found it, and makes sense that I missed it before since ||it appears to require ...
it surprisingly doesnt
versed wagon
I need a gadget that speeds up skill casting time
That's really bothering me now that I noticed it's not instant like HK
primal hedge
just to be paranoid, the wishboards are ||Bone Marrow, Bellhart, and Songclave||, right? I'm not forgetting one?
versed wagon
I only know those
mortal yarrow
only those yeah
primal hedge
damn that is some overcounting
that's more like it
taking an actual break for now since I don't feel like tryharding the ||Pale Monarch|| fight just yet
versed wagon
That's peak
primal hedge
#technicallycorrect
mortal yarrow
gaming!
primal hedge
...does the mask shard density get really high in the areas I haven't been to yet 
mortal yarrow
not really, there are a fair few locked behind wishes though!
primal hedge
I've double-checked that I've done every wish available to me
and I'm at 8 1/4 masks
mortal yarrow
they'll come up later
primal hedge
ok, "Act 3" then
versed wagon
I'm one hsard away from my 9th mask, I really wasn't expecting 10
mortal yarrow
try and find more fleas, there's one more wish locked behind getting the caravan all the way to the end
primal hedge
hm, I bought all the shop masks so no idea how you're two shards ahead of me
versed wagon
Wishes or exploration
primal hedge
yeah I'm gonna need a guide to whatever fleas and masks and stuff I just missed somewhere
mortal yarrow
also you may have missed other wishes directly from npcs
mortal yarrow
a little bit of everyone, there's one in the wormways, one in shellwood, others im forgetting
primal hedge
oh duh I remember the wormways one now
mortal yarrow
try and find more fleas, there's one more wish locked behind getting the caravan...
this one specifically is gonna be from an npc
in songclave
primal hedge
I've probably talked to everyone at the main settlements a million times so
wait I've definitely talked everyone in songclave to death
versed wagon
There's one wish you get from talking to an NPC in || Putrified Ducts ||
primal hedge
yep, did that one, ||have had longclaw on ever since||
mortal yarrow
wait I've definitely talked everyone in songclave to death
what location is your caravan at?
primal hedge
I'll probably just have to watch one of those videos listing every location of every item, once that gets made
citadel gates
mortal yarrow
it goes further
primal hedge
well yes I figured that lol
primal hedge
I do need to go re-talk to everyone in the caravan though, it's been a while ||and I haven't even said hi to the megaflea||
mortal yarrow
omg i got hit with the stuck in place quick map bug
that hasn't happened to me before, i know it's a known issue
an enemy was right there and knocked me out of it haha
anyway ive so thoroughly gone through the map its time to start looking things up
somehow im missing two spool fragments and i have no idea where they are
i missed two tools in bilewater in side areas with no hint on the map, not surprising. who explores bilewater for fun
i still haven't even encountered 9 enemies, and i don't know if that's because i skipped them bc they were too rough to kill or what
versed wagon
Last time I talked to them they said "find me a place"
Nevermind, I found it
Huh, I don't even have a use for the carftmetal I just go
mortal yarrow
really.
i THOUGHT about looking there
but i didn't
dammit
that's such an obvious place too, its just that i saw it was mapped out and thought i might've looked already
versed wagon
How many crests are there? I have || six ||
primal hedge
i THOUGHT about looking there
lol, this is literally what I tried to do when you told me I could find a thing in Whiteward ||before I found the extra passage||
I still only have ||five||, where'd you get ||six||?
mortal yarrow
there's 7
primal hedge
I don't know what that is
versed wagon
You'll know instantly when you start that wish
I have || Hunter Reaper Wanderer Beast Witch Architect||
No idea where to look for the last one
mortal yarrow
I don't know what that is
assuming you're missing the one i think you are, it starts with ||an item in bilewater||
primal hedge
I guess I'm talking to every random NPC on the map then???
versed wagon
assuming you're missing the one i think you are, it starts with ||an item in bil...
|| That's witch ||
versed wagon
I guess I'm talking to every random NPC on the map then???
No it starts with something you pick up
awoo
mortal yarrow
i need two more memory lockets for the last crest 
versed wagon
assuming you're missing the one i think you are, it starts with ||an item in bil...
I'm missing || Shama ||, any idea where that starts?
Nvm a quick confirmation tells me I can't get there yet
I guess I just gotta go fight || Grandmother Silk || I don't see anything else I can do on the side
versed wagon
anyway, new lowest %
primal hedge
evidently you're better at finding items in these games
unless you just did a 2nd pass over the entire map, I have not done that
iron minnow
:3
mortal yarrow
probably unlocked the flea pin first
mortal yarrow
oh duh, the last percent im missing is probably the last needle upgrade i forgot to get sdkfnsfn
primal hedge
another thing I have no lead on yet lol
versed wagon
unless you just did a 2nd pass over the entire map, I have not done that
I revisited a bunch of places year
I found the flea pin and got the location of the last fleat I was missing
Since I did that area last
Wish I had found it sooner
Surgeon's key 
mortal yarrow
another thing I have no lead on yet lol
if you want something to go off of, it can be found somewhere in ||the ducts||
primal hedge
how is there still more in that area...
well realistically I'm gonna need to revisit the whole map anyway
so the question that actually matters is: are there any more movement upgrades?
||there were some platforms in Blasted Steps I couldn't get to even with clawline + djump + dash, so I'm not sure||
versed wagon
Wait until you have to go back to Bilewater
primal hedge
honestly Bilewater's first priority because of how un-thorough I was forced to be originally
versed wagon
I've been to Bilewater about 5 or 6 times too many...
mortal yarrow
psalm cylinder spoiler
this is somehow awful to listen to
im going to leave this on repeat for the vaultkeeper tho
versed wagon
This bastard boss in Whiteward has way too much health
Like, the || buzzsaw || tool absolutely destroys him and he's still not dead
primal hedge
||on one early attempt he absorbed my entire supply of venom tacks in the first phase, so I decided to save them for the second phase||
versed wagon
And why are the spinny dudes so hard
mortal yarrow
This bastard boss in Whiteward has way too much health
i once more just facetanked it with wanderer lol
cerulean vigil
i no thoughts head empty parry spammed it
primal hedge
I guess it's good to know there are cheeses available if I ever want one
cerulean vigil
parry isnt super cheesing things, its just good, it can be awkward to land and not get hit in responce
primal hedge
for me personally my current tool usage is already close enough; I still want learning to fight the boss to be part of my boss fights, when I do use tools it's because I suspect they'd be far too damage spongy for nail-only to be fun
fair, I guess it feels like that with bosses where jumping over them is so much of the fight otherwise
versed wagon
Kinda related but I found a yellow tool that's basically this charm
Since most yellows are whatever this one is susprisingly okay
primal hedge
I'm not familiar with it, what does it actually do?
versed wagon
It's so easy to not notice that you've run out of shards
versed wagon
I'm not familiar with it, what does it actually do?
Sometimes prevents damage
Odds are not bad
Oh shit
Achievement Regenerated, should I not have done that?
primal hedge
It's so easy to not notice that you've run out of shards
yeah, I went maybe a third of the game not using them at all and not even knowing what they were for (I'm not even sure if the game actually told me?), and now that they feel necessary for every boss I have to avoid using them anywhere else or else I'm gonna need to do farming runs just for shards again
versed wagon
Something like || Lace or First Sinner || I'll fight raw but for a boss like Groal for example, where I see an easy opportunity for a multihit, I unload all of them
primal hedge
oh I absolutely spammed ||venom tacks|| on those two, those fights felt just right after that amount of de-sponging
versed wagon
I never think about that tool, I can see how it would work
But I'd rather duel/dance those bosses
primal hedge
I mean, I do too, and I did, just not that long
even maximum tool spam can't kill an act 2 boss or even get it close to death, my experience has been that you have to both git gud and spam tools to win these fights
versed wagon
I don't know, I've found that a good drill can skip an entire phase
elfin kettle
I mean there are tools that are made for enhancing melee, pop a flea brew and a flintslate and go to town
versed wagon
I tried it once on || Lace || and went from moveset 1 to moveset 3
primal hedge
it's also possible you're just better at video games
versed wagon
Drill is goated but hard to land
primal hedge
I mean there are tools that are made for enhancing melee, pop a flea brew and a ...
I was using flea brew for a while. I tried flintslate several times but found it so brief it was useless in practice on any fight long enough to use tools.
elfin kettle
I think the good part of it is that if you land at least 3 hits you ignite
primal hedge
oh was that the rule
primal hedge
it almost never lasted long enough to get that many hits, so that'd be why I couldn't figure out the pattern
elfin kettle
I can see it useful especially on wanderer since it attacks so fast, can't use the brew on that one though
versed wagon
I wonder how many tool synergies there are
elfin kettle
given it has only one red slot
primal hedge
that's true, I've been on reaper since I got it so that's the opposite of a synergy
versed wagon
If you equip venom "charm" and the brew for example, the brew changes effects
And then there's the Wormways tool, I gotta try that one with stuff
elfin kettle
If you equip venom "charm" and the brew for example, the brew changes effects
I wonder if the ||plasmium phial|| also do
versed wagon
If you equip venom "charm" and the brew for example, the brew changes effects
Yeah, I discovered this one by accident when I had a grand total of like 3 tools or whatever, and I can't believe I didn't try more things until now
primal hedge
I was quite surprised at how much physics goes into ||the caltrops,|| there have even been interactions with late game bosses like ||Trobbio's tornados kept blowing them away, so I stopped trying them on him||
versed wagon
Even if he didn't, he's too floaty for that
primal hedge
nah, his main attack rotation still includes moving back and forth along the ground ||in tornado form||, so any caltrops I deployed would still get interacted with ||just not in the way I wanted||; "too floaty" would be someone like Groal who's always in the air and also half the ground isn't ground
in fact I think even ||Beastfly|| reliably flies low enough for caltrops to help, ||they'd just be useless in the 2nd arena||
versed wagon
||I only remember Trobbio either spinning in the air or under the goddamn floor ||
primal hedge
||no, no, he spins on the ground (mostly), and he floats in the air and yes lots of scuttling under the floor||
versed wagon
Alright, made it past phase 1 of the top dog
primal hedge
debating how many anime to watch before trying that for real
but probably at least the dog episode
endgame lore: ||I wonder how literal the "grandmother" title is. Lace and her sister don't seem to have any kids so I'm guessing not that literal. It's probably an age = respect thing. I doubt it's "grand" as in #1 mom since we haven't seen a lower tier of mom, despite all the other religious stuff ||
burnt perch
might beat the last judge today we'll see
versed wagon
endgame lore: ||I wonder how literal the "grandmother" title is. Lace and her si...
Lore: || So was grandmother already there and they built the citadel there because of that/around her, or did she actually rule/guide the bugs? I can't tell if she was this distant thing or actually in charge ||
primal hedge
hm, I should definitely see the ending before speculating on that part
versed wagon
39h 52m. No completion rate given?
primal hedge
no world sense equivalent?
versed wagon
At the ends of the credits I only got the time. And on the savefile there's nothing
Huh looks like what I got is the default ending, so, I didn't accidentally miss one. gtk
burnt perch
Is Last Judge the final boss?
burnt perch
what..
mortal yarrow
Huh looks like what I got is the default ending, so, I didn't accidentally miss ...
you missed the ||cursed, crest of the witch|| ending, or im assuming its a separate ending bc of the achievement
i did too :/ which is a shame
versed wagon
|| If I just have to beat it with the witch crest I don't see why I would've missed that, I have the crest||
mortal yarrow
||while you're cursed and bound to it||
primal hedge
dang I need to find this thing
mortal yarrow
yeah, sounds a bit tougher but shruggies
burnt perch
thats because the 2nd boss spawns it after that when you have 100%
The Voidiance
its a bat
versed wagon
Spoilers for the special requirement: || even though that state has no tools, you still have your needle and all your movement ||
mortal yarrow
I third-tried it
first try for me, i had a lot of practice with patterns like that with absrad lol
mortal yarrow
thats because the 2nd boss spawns it after that when you have 100%
can confirm actually 
primal hedge
ok yeah some of you are just objectively better gamers
versed wagon
If there were dreamgates in this game, I know exactly where I'd put it
mortal yarrow
it's a tough boss, just not tough relative to the rest of this game skjdnfsd
primal hedge
yeah it's way past the level I'd ever be able to first-try
that was way back in the first 3-4 areas
mortal yarrow
anyway, is the caravan at the last spot for yall?
versed wagon
I think || First Sinner || and Shakra's boss were the ones to break a skill ceiling for me
primal hedge
I'm just happy I first-tried phase 1, that was already unlikely
||...Shakra's boss?||
versed wagon
||...Shakra's boss?||
||You did her wish, didn't you? ||
primal hedge
||I did. There was no boss fight.||
versed wagon
|| Go to the flat area east of Bellhart ||
primal hedge
oh
burnt perch
just looked up a hollow knight video for a joke
he has so many masks..
IMAGINE
AND you only take 1 damage
we didnt realise HK was for fkn baby infants back then
mortal yarrow
inflation hit hard :(
mortal yarrow
you need more masks to get by in 2025
versed wagon
I'm at 8 and 3/4
Would really love that extra hit...
||Damn that attack has a cutscene?||
And it still only does 2 damage
mortal yarrow
3 actually lol
versed wagon
Then my lucky charm activated
Gamba always pays off
SECOND ENDING GOES SO HARD?!
Post ending 2 spoilers: || ACT 3 ||
mortal yarrow
Post ending 2 spoilers: || ACT 3 <a:letsfuckinggo:1369945734039736360><a:letsfuc...
ending 2 spoilers: ||i've been trying so hard to avoid giving it away 
the fakeout ending is too good||
alsooo
fuckk
the true ending
this game is so good ;;
versed wagon
ending 2 spoilers: ||i've been trying so hard to avoid giving it away <:pcrying:...
|| Everything is changed isn't it, this is like discovering the underground in Elden Ring or LoZ:TotK ||
mortal yarrow
what are they even planning for dlc, where are they gonna fit that shit 💀
mortal yarrow
|| Everything is changed isn't it, this is like discovering the underground in E...
||infected crossroads 2 baybee||
versed wagon
||infected crossroads 2 baybee||
|| God fucking dammit, I knew the world of 3hp damage was coming and here we are ||
I'm crying
primal hedge
woooo, after that break I got her "first" try 
that's "normal" ending, right?
I also get only a time, 38:49:52
versed wagon
That's the normal or first endings, everything I found says
mortal yarrow
that's "normal" ending, right?
yeah, for the second ending ||you need to do that wish i was talking about, which requires the caravan to be moved all the way for some reason||
versed wagon
Seems impossible to miss
versed wagon
yeah, for the second ending ||you need to do that wish i was talking about, whic...
|| I think it counts as a wish even tho it's not ||
primal hedge
wait, NOW you have something to say about this?
I'm gonna not click on your spoilers for a bit and wander around on my own
iron minnow
man fuck these ants
mortal yarrow
going to back up my save and revert it to see that other ending tho skdjfjdfnvkds
the autosaves go way back
versed wagon
wait, NOW you have something to say about this?
Oh, maybe it is necessary to do ending 1 before 2 is available
primal hedge
it's also possible I only thought I talked to him between getting the item and now
I feel like I've re-spoken to this group several times on a whim because it's my farming spot
but I can't swear to that exact timeline
mortal yarrow
there's just weird prerequisites, the important part is you got it eventually
shows as 0.1% elsewhere but the global achievements page has this lmao
mortal yarrow
barely over 4 days even!
i barely slept, and i don't have a whole lot going on rn so skdnfkjsdcn
i think it started to show in how badly bossfights went
primal hedge
I really appreciate how the ||Shakra boss fight|| is not some dramatic "sad things happened therefore we must fight to the death" but a simple "hey friend, wanna spar?" that's 100% optional both in and out of universe
maybe later I'll come back and try to do this ||without tools||, but for now I need to wander aimlessly until I find the plot
versed wagon
AWOO
elfin kettle
I just realised the charged attack changes depending on the crest you are using
versed wagon
Yeah the entire moveset does
mortal yarrow
yep! i think all of the first game's nail arts are in as the crest ones?
actually probably not dash slash im silly
primal hedge
day 1 of smacking every wall tile in the ||Ducts||, I found only a Frayed Rosary String so far
song spoiler(???): ||fair, that's about what I expected from her||
also Flintslate is really nice against Spit Squits
versed wagon
Alright I'm two awoos out of three, I'll get the last one some other time
mortal yarrow
Alright I'm two awoos out of three, I'll get the last one some other time
its the hardest boss in the game!
versed wagon
its the hardest boss in the game!
|| Juggle for sure, yeah? ||
mortal yarrow
yeah lol sdkjfsjkf
versed wagon
I wonder what's the best crest for this
Reaper's up-attack kinda sucks
Worst part about it
versed wagon
Actually I think the tech is to not jump. First tried it like that. With Hunter
burnt perch
Time for Last Judge attempts??
primal hedge
if you want something to go off of, it can be found somewhere in ||the ducts||
I'm not finding anything new, does this map look complete to you?
versed wagon
its the hardest boss in the game!
Reward spoiler: || THAT WAS THE PALE OIL?!?!! EXTREMELY WORTH IT ||
versed wagon
I'm not finding anything new, does this map look complete to you?
You're missing something
versed wagon
hehe
primal hedge
well evidently we're at the point where more organic searching simply does not work and we flat-out need guides
mortal yarrow
Reward spoiler: || THAT WAS THE PALE OIL?!?!! EXTREMELY WORTH IT ||
||honestly thinking rushing act 3 might be a good call on speedruns/steel soul just for that, but man the normal enemies get some bs if you do||
versed wagon
Currently fighting the bell beast
primal hedge
awooo
versed wagon
GOOD DOG
primal hedge
ok so I've got ||flea map markers and Fleatopia|| now, do I need to know/find/have anything else for ||true ending|| or ||the 2? areas I never found and don't have maps for|| or were those blocked specifically on this?
versed wagon
ok so I've got ||flea map markers and Fleatopia|| now, do I need to know/find/ha...
On the latter you're good for now. On the former, if the bug in First Bell or whatever is talking to you, then you're good
primal hedge
uh... First Shrine?
||the Caretaker does have new dialogue now, which sounds very ending-y||
this has to be the thing
versed wagon
Yep
primal hedge
what a weirdly specific condition for that to unlock
||I feel like they should've made Vog easier to find, or made the troupe give you a wish to hunt her down, or something...||
iron minnow
i keep having to take breaks because i get mad lmao
versed wagon
||honestly thinking rushing act 3 might be a good call on speedruns/steel soul j...
|| Between the reward and the centipede, coming to this area first was an incredibly good choice by accident. Now on to get the needle upgraded ||
||Holy fuck we do have dreamgates ||!!!
mortal yarrow
|| Between the reward and the centipede, coming to this area first was an incred...
||if you mean that bellway station at the ducts, then the fight must happen at any of them actually||
versed wagon
That makes sense
mortal yarrow
||Holy fuck we do have dreamgates ||!!!
yeah!!!!! its so so so good
versed wagon
omg this might be the worst delivery yet
primal hedge
oh god there are more deliveries 
versed wagon
Great, now I have to find this guy
primal hedge
actually about that
I never did Songclave Supplies, after I realized the other two X Supplies were repeating; do we know if that matters?
versed wagon
I don't think so, I think those are just for money
mortal yarrow
it doesn't matter for completion or anything, but it does go in the completed wishes tab if you do it once
if you're a completionist weirdo like me, even if it won't ever matter lol
versed wagon
I accidentaly got in the Shellwood elevator and I quit to menu
primal hedge
I might've done it just for the heck of it if it didn't overlap so heavily with the far harder and more important meat delivery
versed wagon
NEEDLE UPGRADE
iron minnow
new headcanon
Silksong takes place underneath a Catholic church that's where all the rosary beads come from
primal hedge
Silksong takes place underneath a Catholic church that's where all the rosary be...
the natural extension of "Hollow Knight takes place in a week in someone's backyard" would be "Silksong takes place in the garden outside Blasphemous' cathedral"
mortal yarrow
i got the ||cursed|| ending.
i'm gonna have to do it again on another playthrough because not having the menu style for it will bother me 
but i saw the ending at least! neat
mortal yarrow
nice and toasty :)
primal hedge
ok, what am I missing here at ||Pilgrim's Rest||? I've combed this room for secret passages at least twice, and this gate's been foreshadowing since my first visit, and no NPC ever mentioned it, and now I know ||there's a flea on the other side|| so it's not just decoration
mortal yarrow
apparently wcct got it somehow? i thought it required an upgrade
primal hedge
I'm gonna try fully buying out the shop here
nope
well hopefully it's a wish that shows up later
endings: ||so I gave Caretaker all the true ending stuff, does that lock me out of "witch ending"? also, where do I start looking for the last two crests?||
versed wagon
I'm the same as you there
I don't remember a flea there but that would've been day 2 and that was a long time ago
I was a different person back then
primal hedge
same
do you think you came up from below? that might be enough of a hint for me to find it, I don't have anything that connects to that atm
burnt perch
id probably have uninstalled this game if ixrec didnt warn us about the ||last judge SD||
elfin kettle
I did die to it
primal hedge
ah I found it
elfin kettle
But at that point I had already learned the fight well enough that I didn't mind
primal hedge
||why did I not check all the bellways for secret passages 
||
elfin kettle
Got her next try
versed wagon
why did I not check all the bellways for secret passages
Yeah I'm pretty sure I've hit every wall, floor and ceiling of this game with my needle
mortal yarrow
endings: ||so I gave Caretaker all the true ending stuff, does that lock me out ...
||i imagine the witch ending takes priority because you have to go out of your way to get it||
and for the witch crest at least, i think it was ||some dialogue in bellhart after getting the item in bilewater|| that made me realize what to do
primal hedge
I think I still have one shop item requiring a craftmetal I don't have
versed wagon
Unless I forgot someone, I bought everything from the Dock shop and the architect shop
I don't remember needing craftmetal elsewhere
mortal yarrow
there's two tools you have to craft yourself, but that's it i think
versed wagon
I did one of those
primal hedge
I remember one of those in ||High Halls||
primal hedge
and for the witch crest at least, i think it was ||some dialogue in bellhart aft...
hm, no one here has any new dialogue
but there is a new delivery
versed wagon
I'm glad I don't have tripophobia
mortal yarrow
hm, no one here has any new dialogue
do you have the item called ||twisted bud||?
primal hedge
no
so I do need to explore Bilewater more then; last time I was just there for a flea
primal hedge
yeah I would've too if I hadn't put a map marker on it
versed wagon
I wanted to use markers but then I never remember to
mortal yarrow
apparently the ||ruined tool|| can be turned into ||three different versions depending on if you take it to either forge daughter or the architect, or craft it yourself somewhere||
why is this one item of all things ||given so many variants, like what are the differences?||
versed wagon
I was gonna stop for the night but || this place at the bottom is so fucking good I just can't|| (POST Ed2 spoilers)
versed wagon
apparently the ||ruined tool|| can be turned into ||three different versions dep...
Damn, ||I did the docks one and it's not very good, I'd love to see the others ||
mortal yarrow
same, ||but that's bc the architect dies at some point, and i didn't realize you could craft it yourself||
versed wagon
Also post Ed2 || this bugs are so gay for each other ||
mortal yarrow
||looking it up, they have different capacities, but there's no way the differences stop there, right?||
versed wagon
Aha, I was waiting for this upgrade
primal hedge
oh my god the tension 
one upside to this delivery challenge format is there's no reason to use any benches on the way, so I can quit-warp all the way back to Bellhart from here
versed wagon
I was gonna stop for the night but || this place at the bottom is so fucking goo...
|| This escape sequence is so fucking cool and every time I though it was over, it wasn't ||
primal hedge
need a flea hint: ||I've checked every wall, floor and ceiling inside this screenshot, and a few outside it, and none of these rooms have a missing passage, much less one leading to the flea||
versed wagon
Is that Underworks?
versed wagon
||You'll want to get to Underworks from below ||
versed wagon
Oh shit, new priority wish
versed wagon
flea: ||the missing Sands of Karak flea was fun to get, no mystery there||
Better with DJ I bet
Ah, there's my completion percentage
primal hedge
honestly the overlap between DJ and glide makes it a mixed blessing
versed wagon
Remember you can force glide if you hold down
primal hedge
I've seen people say that and I had the same guess on my own, but I haven't gotten it to work consistently for me
in practice I just plan my jumps as if either one might happen lol
ok, those two fleas above are the only ones left in my game
versed wagon
||You'll want to get to Underworks from below ||
If that doesn't do the trick, here's a more obvious answer
primal hedge
yeah I just checked bellhart and shellwood with no luck
before I give up and click that: is it in greymoor
cerulean vigil
the ||witch|| crest is p cool, unfortunatly i am a dumbass that needs a minimum of 1 (one) yellow spot so i know where i am on the map 
versed wagon
I tanked all of HK never equipping the compass but here, I could never
I don't know about the 7th, but the 6 crests I got it was before even Ed 1
But there's no rush I don't think
And the later you do || witch|| the better
cerulean vigil
i dont even have double jump yet
primal hedge
that raises so many questions lol
it is in greymoor, okay
of course the last of the 10+ places I check based on proximity to the target
cerulean vigil
i am good at finding secrets, that being said i have yet to find that thing it seems everybunny else has that gives an extraslot for crests
mortal yarrow
the ||witch|| crest is p cool, unfortunatly i am a dumbass that needs a minimum ...
you may wish to pay a visit to ||a certain area near the start||
cerulean vigil
i need it
primal hedge
yeah I am clearly not gifted at secret hunting
cerulean vigil
that spoiler block is very nothing, ||the begginer area is big and i have explored most of it a lot||
primal hedge
I always find at least ~half on my own, but unless there's some form of in-game hint or tracker, once I miss it I'm never finding it again
primal hedge
i am good at finding secrets, that being said i have yet to find that thing it s...
are you talking about ||the extra tool slot off to the left that's not part of the crest itself?||
cerulean vigil
yeag
primal hedge
ok, the way to get that can be found in ||Weavernest Atla||, maybe you visited it before you met the requirements but I'm fairly sure you do now
versed wagon
Chip hates music
cerulean vigil
i went there when i got the ||needolin|| and then didnt return
versed wagon
Hehe
cerulean vigil
it shall be my tommorow adventures
primal hedge
If that doesn't do the trick, here's a more obvious answer
gotta love map logic corner cases
||the flea and I are the only two things left in existence||
versed wagon
Like I said, if you're not playing the needolin to everything and everybuggy, then your silk is not song
mortal yarrow
for any lore enjoyers, i read about a secret area in ||the far fields weavenest|| that you can find by ||using both the tool it gives and flea brew||
versed wagon
||Holy hell I didn't consider those would stack||
primal hedge
lol that makes sense
versed wagon
||I did do the run both ways I could think off ||
primal hedge
ok so this answers where ||one of the two areas I'm missing a map of went; I should probably just ask: where is the last area I'm missing?||
versed wagon
I still don't have the map achievement, so don't worry about it
mortal yarrow
as for the location when you can get to it, if you're curious, ||its to the right of greymoor||
versed wagon
Still waiting for something to tell me to go to The Mist
primal hedge
I've yet to find anyone or anything that even alludes to The Mist
A and I cannot stress this enough WOOO
versed wagon
There's bigger awoos than that one
primal hedge
sure but this is the highest effort one for me
primal hedge
yep
versed wagon
||That was a big awoo ||
primal hedge
I do need to go re-talk to everyone in the caravan though, it's been a while ||a...
for example
versed wagon
Plus the last 3
primal hedge
||...this feels like a trap||
somehow I made it all the way back to a familiar bench without dying
versed wagon
going to back up my save and revert it to see that other ending tho skdjfjdfnvkd...
So if you revert, you lose all the progress yeah?
And can't make a copy within the game
mortal yarrow
as far as im aware yeah, better safe than sorry either way
versed wagon
I might prefer to do Cursed in a new playthrough
IT's such a gimmic and easy thing, it's a shame tho
mortal yarrow
probably better anyway, if you restored your save you'd lose the snazzy new title screen
primal hedge
and same story for this flea:
while I explore this area properly, could a flea collector tell me at least what area the hunt for this final flea starts from?
versed wagon
Well I managed to make a copy, the second one just has no revert data and seems to work fine
versed wagon
while I explore this area properly, could a flea collector tell me at least what...
From Vaults
mortal yarrow
Well I managed to make a copy, the second one just has no revert data and seems ...
good luck o7
versed wagon
good luck o7
Yeah tomorrow I'll see if this works
primal hedge
lol @ the bench trick in ||Wisp Thicket||
primal hedge
first try (not that it counts since I was "supposed" to be here ~2 days ago)
huh, somehow I missed a mask shard in the vaults
lol
there's even more Bilewater
this explains so much
mortal yarrow
primal hedge
and finally
last but not least
AWOOO
||I was not prepared to just watch her neck get snapped on-screen 
||
mortal yarrow
||me watching hornet girlbossing in the slab like||
primal hedge
so... ||I very strongly doubt I can beat the game in this state ||
primal hedge
also, is intentional that ||Bell Hermit is no longer in his usual bell underneath Bellhart, right when another NPC tells me to talk to him?||
primal hedge
guides are telling me that's not intentional but probably not a blocker since I can go straight to the next step
primal hedge
there we go, this should allow me to attempt the "bad" ending later when I feel up to it
primal hedge
true ending / ending 2 get
no % for me on the end time screen, which I assume means it's less than 100
||...oh. I was not expecting that.||
hype
whoa, that took a long time to pay off, but I'm glad I did that
elfin kettle
Ok so, I killed ||phantom, is there a map for the Mist somewhere and I have to go back and look?||
primal hedge
stopping for tonight after ||escaping the Abyss||
post-game: ||I put off Bell Eater for later, assuming I could access it from any bellway, but alas... hopefully I can backtrack the hard way to atone for this mistake||
iron minnow
im stuck on this one part where a bunch of ants gang up on you
elfin kettle
Yeah, ant city is rough
I don't think it's mandatory to do right away, if it's the zone I'm thinking of
Like, if it's ||Hunter's March|| you can put it off for a while if you are struggling in it
elfin kettle
||reaper?||
iron minnow
ye
elfin kettle
It's the main thing I'm using, I really like the run attack
iron minnow
im too used to the new pogo
versed wagon
Alright Hornet what you've got for me today
versed wagon
Post ed2: || IT's gonna be so annoying to find these void masses ||
From Beta Patch Notes, of note to me:
- Removed float override input (down + jump, after player has Faydown Cloak).
- Slight difficulty reduction in early game bosses Moorwing and Sister Splinter.
- Reduction in damage from Sandcarvers.
- Slight reduction in mid-game Bellway and Bell Bench prices.
- Slight increase in rosary rewards from relics and psalm cylinders.
- Increase in rosary rewards for courier deliveries.
mortal yarrow
Post ed2: || IT's gonna be so annoying to find these void masses ||
||there's much more than 12 total, i got it eventually by just doing all the other content in that part of the game and killing each one i saw||
versed wagon
Oh that's good
mortal yarrow
delivery reward boost 
i had to grind a fair bit through the whole game, but it didn't feel all that bad
maybe like an hour or two total
but this is still good
versed wagon
I think it's agood, it will save some time
Specially if the Bone Bottom one, it's like a 1 minut delivery
And you can just sit on Bellheart and restart there, or use the dog
I have just met the bug horses
elfin kettle
Is it just me or is it the delivery timer for the courier thing unfathomly tight?
mortal yarrow
Is it just me or is it the delivery timer for the courier thing unfathomly tight...
yeah, i did it hitless, and with the path i used i don't think i would've had two hits to spare
elfin kettle
Tried going though ||sinner's road|| and it was super tight, almost thinking if ||blasted lands|| could be better
versed wagon
SR didn't even enter into consideration for me
When the goal is || top-left/middle-left on the Citadel ||
Yeah hitless and with the speed tool, I think I had 1 and a half hits to spare
elfin kettle
I'm mostly concerned by the fact that the grand gate room is kind of a bitch to climb NGL
versed wagon
You get used to it, it's good practice
And it pays off
There's another delivery that's the entire meat delivery route on the left side plus an extra
mortal yarrow
i hadn't gone through grand gate after getting double jump and remembered it being a massive slog to get through, sinners road was just way fresher in my mind anyway
elfin kettle
Yeah I'm putting this off until I have more movement upgrades, double jump in particoular, that room is just aids without it
versed wagon
That almost trivialises it yeah. I did the meat run without DJ and the sequel with, and I second-tried the sequel
versed wagon
||You know which one to put on repeat||
mortal yarrow
||going to horrify any visitors||
oh wow, the ||crawbell|| actually gives a fair bit of rosaries
i suppose it's to be expected with how late you get it, wish i'd checked before going to farm for that item lol
anyway, moment of truth, does ||the gramophone play music for all of bellhart like the other spot, can the people of this town become haunted once more?||
IT DOES ||BUT ONLY FOR THE UPPER HALF OF TOWN||
AMAZING
mortal yarrow
note to self, ||silk soar|| does delivery damage if you let it go all the way
primal hedge
I'm gonna have so much backlog to read when I finally catch up on this post-game stuff
mortal yarrow
oh wow i thought i'd seen pretty much everything
but there's even stuff if ||you go back to wormways||
thank you hunter's journal for giving me a reason to go back to places lol
versed wagon
I'm pretty much revisitng everything
primal hedge
How deep are you?
last night I finished ||escaping The Abyss||, right now I'm wandering around the world looking for stuff that changed before advancing the plot any further
e.g. ||Pilgrim's Rest is finally free to enter 
||
versed wagon
I think you're good on our spoilers then
Ah, three more shards and I'm finished with masks. And I know where I get one
primal hedge
ah, ||the abyss was map 27||
I'm at 8 3/4 after all the secret areas I had to be told about for flea hunting
mortal yarrow
I'm at 8 3/4 after all the secret areas I had to be told about for flea hunting
i got a fair few in wishes during this part of the game iirc?
primal hedge
I've only just started playing today, haven't found any non-main plot wishes yet but I also have everyone and everywhere to check now
mortal yarrow
but there's even stuff if ||you go back to wormways||
this is extremely worthwhile i feel like
would've been very good to get earlier
versed wagon
Is it || the upgrade to the phial? ||
primal hedge
I found and destroyed two of those ||void mass|| things, which your spoilers are implying will save me time later
versed wagon
Not if you don't have the wish yet
mortal yarrow
Is it || the upgrade to the phial? ||
yep! also i found ||his assistant||
primal hedge
oh
versed wagon
I found that on Act 1, before him
I wondered if it was necessary to start the first wish
mortal yarrow
Not if you don't have the wish yet
they didn't seem to respawn, or at least if they do it's not a "rest at the bench one time" deal, so it might be retroactive?
primal hedge
I also found his assistant first, although I didn't realize I had and just saw the dialogue about it afterward lol
I already confirmed they do not bench-respawn for me
well that's four now, we'll find out if this is a problem for me later I guess
versed wagon
You can always reverts
primal hedge
oooh they really don't want me getting into Hunter's March now
mortal yarrow
yall know where the second one is?
versed wagon
It is asbolutely criminal that Sharpdart can be interrupted. It should cast faster or whatever it takes for it not to be
versed wagon
yall know where the second one is?
|| I only know of the one in Shellwood, fought him in Act 1 and Act 3 ||
primal hedge
same
mortal yarrow
||oh he comes back?||
||i went there in act 3 but it was for an unmarked quest so the enemies were different||
primal hedge
so that's what happens to this guy's inventory if like me you didn't buy it all in time
versed wagon
I knew TC would never make it a permanent loss but that's great
mortal yarrow
don't talk about seth like that,,,,,
versed wagon
Is there anything in this shrine besides lore?
mortal yarrow
just lore and that fight yeah
he was a make a wish style thing for a kid named seth who passed away from cancer
i hope he got to play the fight first sdkjfjskd
primal hedge
yeah I've been using the cogflies for some flying bosses
seven, geez these things are everywhere
versed wagon
Surely The Citdael || is prime real state for void masses, right? ||
primal hedge
I don't think I saw any on the way down but it seems likely
oh yeah I knew Bellhart would have stuff for me
versed wagon
Surely The Citdael || is prime real state for void masses, right? ||
Answer is yes
primal hedge
they DO count retroactively
versed wagon
Neat
primal hedge
common Team Cherry W
speaking of Ws, I'd almost given up hope for this existing until I stumbled onto it in ||the abyss||
||dang, no per-area completion info, still gonna need guides at the end of this||
hahahahahahaha no
versed wagon
|| I keep forgetting I have SIlk Soar when I need to move up||
primal hedge
huh, so that's what happened to ||Greyroot|| after the, uh, chiropractic
versed wagon
Alright I'm only missing one mask shard
Ah, I got all the spool fragments
Enough for two heals, sweet
primal hedge
just got the ||alt needolin||, does this mean ||I need to play both ways at every dead or alive bug I see? ||
I guess I should also ask if we've figured out what ||Spider Strings does, concretely||
versed wagon
Oh sweet I'm only missing one cylinder
primal hedge
yall know where the second one is?
just ran into him (literally) at ||Bonegrave||
versed wagon
omfg || TROBBIO!!! ||
primal hedge
but there's even stuff if ||you go back to wormways||
I was just on my way to check this area myself, I think I already see what you mean because ||it spread all the way down to Bonegrave||
versed wagon
|| TROBBIO with the absolutely best REMATCH of all time I love this bug ||
primal hedge
adds map pin
versed wagon
You'll need the wish
mortal yarrow
just ran into him (literally) at ||Bonegrave||
yeah, i found it a bit ago lol
was trying to find other enemies for the journal
yall remember any elder pilgrim locations? the guy that tries to sit on you
i can only remember the citadel variant
versed wagon
|| Where is this arena you guys talked about? Sounded like a Colliseum type of deal? ||
Ah there's the last shard
primal hedge
|| Where is this arena you guys talked about? Sounded like a Colliseum type of d...
||nothing like the colliseum, I've been using "arena" in the general sense of a room that locks you in until you defeat waves of enemies||
mortal yarrow
yeah ^
the arena i was complaining about was the ||high halls one that was required for the song||
he's still around??
versed wagon
Ah okay
versed wagon
he's still around??
|| Where is this, looks like a random place in Greymoor? Why wouldn't he move to Bellhart? ||
As expected, if you use the thing at the bottom of The Hole nothing happens. Shame tho
|| Where is Survivor's Camp? ||
primal hedge
that took some doing, but I think I'm done with ||Act 3 Wormways|| now
primal hedge
As expected, if you use the thing at the bottom of The Hole nothing happens. Sha...
okay, what hole are we talking about?
versed wagon
The Hole
primal hedge
ah
elfin kettle
Oh sweet, I found a cute use for the Flintslate
It ||heats you if you activate in Mount fay||
versed wagon
What's Flintslate?
elfin kettle
The tool that gives your attack fire damage for a bit
versed wagon
Also, special wish spoiler: 
versed wagon
The tool that gives your attack fire damage for a bit
Huh, I don't have that
Let me guess, || is it in Docks? ||
primal hedge
you never got flintslate!?
docks sounds right but I've completely forgotten how I got it
elfin kettle
Wonder where that was, my guess is the blacksmith lady in the ||deep docks||
primal hedge
it's definitely super early, I feel like I always had it
versed wagon
I don't have anything that applies fire damage
I had to use the bomb for that one wish
You know I'll just look it up
Oh I see, I didn't explore || behind the door properly. I do remember being disappointed that I opened the door and there was nothing in there but rosaries and shard ||
primal hedge
I used the bomb for that wish because it was one of my goto tools anyway and it's more fun
versed wagon
It seems to do a lot of damage, which makes sense considering you only get 4
primal hedge
my issue was it's so brief I could barely get any value out of it on most bosses
but I did end up using it on some bosses that are basically always hittable, like ||grandma||
versed wagon
For her I used || Sting Shard which I love and lets you hit her when she's hovering over spikes, and probably boomerang ||
Though mostly needle
mortal yarrow
|| Where is this, looks like a random place in Greymoor? Why wouldn't he move to...
||greymoor, yeah, he says why he's there||
primal hedge
fair, I didn't get boomerang until five minutes ago
mortal yarrow
Also, special wish spoiler: <:stpc_pppog:675376771830382640>
also YEAH ||i can't believe hornet KNOWS OF HIM||
primal hedge
understatement
versed wagon
Love getting drunk on nectar
Also || I know we've already been memeing that everything does two damage but it's never felt more real and ridiculous than now||
Everywhere I go I get bodied
primal hedge
act 3 mask shard: ||ah-ha, those blasted steps platforms I had marked for later became easy with silk soar||
versed wagon
I don't know which you're missing, tho I can point to at least one in one place for sure. But there's one more Wish with one for a reward, if you already did the 12 thingy
primal hedge
not yet, ironically after I got the wish I've been in areas that had none of the things
anyway that's 9 masks finally
versed wagon
Same, these things are apparently abundant but I can never find them intentionally
primal hedge
hahahahaha one of my ||silk soars|| hit a ||driznit||
versed wagon
First tried the second Greymoor boss || The Crawfather ||
Alright final new area time
Huh? I know this can't be it
Do I have to leave and come back? || Give the prince some time? ||
primal hedge
yessssss another <1%
elfin kettle
I just realised, the crest system is so easy to expand with DLCs if they want to go that route
They can literally drop whole new movesets in the game
primal hedge
I had so many thoughts for what might happen when I ||got back to coral tower with the elegy|| but this was not it
||Coral Tower 1st arena 2nd-tried, 2nd arena 1st-tried ||
versed wagon
Wait, so || what were the silk hearts for? I collected them before even ED1 an nobody has asked for them ||
primal hedge
but there had better be a checkpoint if there's more after this
primal hedge
Wait, so || what were the silk hearts for? I collected them before even ED1 an n...
now that you ask... I just realized ||those are what determine how much silk you auto-regenerate; I'm now getting 3 for free when one of you said it was 2 before||
versed wagon
OH
I feel like || I was regenerating before I got my first one, but the timeline is a blur ||
primal hedge
...oh
||Coral Tower has no checkpoints. Sorry, but that's bullshit. I'll come back here later with maximum upgrades.||
mortal yarrow
||Coral Tower has no checkpoints. Sorry, but that's bullshit. I'll come back her...
||you get a shortcut before the boss, it's not too bad||
primal hedge
how long until then?
mortal yarrow
||4 arenas maybe?||
i found it really fun actually
they give you a lot of fodder between to get silk
primal hedge
||I mean the arenas themselves are great, it's just far too much of a slog to do them all in one life||
||Okay, four of those I can maybe do when I'm in the right mood and have all the upgrades. But in my current state, a checkpoint after the 2nd arena would be the absolute upper limit of "this is actually fun still" (entirely separate from skill).||
mortal yarrow
fair!
found it easier than the high halls one by far even if it's more arenas
it's way less bs
primal hedge
hm, I'm pretty sure what I just fought before dying was already more waves and more enemies than HHA, much less the whole thing
definitely more "miniboss" enemies ("at least 4" > 3)
mortal yarrow
more manageable patterns though
i was probably using wanderer crest and getting in a ton of damage on anything on the floor
for flying enemies, really take advantage of the harpoon, i was sleeping on it for too long
i'd recommend giving it more than two tries at the very least
primal hedge
nah I've already hiked up to citadel
that's not a number of tries thing, that's a screw you I'm leaving thing lol
mortal yarrow
o7
giving it only two tries is just kinda weird to me considering i've been throwing myself at everything til i get it lol
just different playstyles
primal hedge
well, usually the first try or two is about deciding if you want to grind this right now or not
once you're properly death looping yeah there's no reason to stop until you beat it as-is
most fights I grind as soon as I get to them, if they even need that many tries
Bell Beast I love you so much
hm, I'm at 47:12 with "Completion 87%"
how does that compare to the rest of you?
primal hedge
which is so weird to me since it sounded like you were way ahead for most of my playthrough
it's wild that Wcct and I are that close
versed wagon
Here's my 10th and final mask
primal hedge
except on mask shards
I'm gonna take a break to catch up on some Discord backlogs I've neglected, then next is probably exploring Act 3 Citadel
versed wagon
Also
cerulean vigil
i dont think i was ever ahead
i think my progress was just just a spiky ball as apposed to a sphere
versed wagon
Here's this complete or probably in the process of being complete interactive map, I wanted it on hand in case I'm stuck on 99% or something so I went to see if it existed already.
(If someone could pin that)
There's the last crest
versed wagon
I guess I'm gonna go to The Mist all on my own volition
primal hedge
I could've sworn you did that already
versed wagon
I got to the end in Act 1, saw what was there and decided it must be something for later
mortal yarrow
hm, I'm at 47:12 with "Completion 87%"
I was at 64 hours on the save when I hit 100%
elfin kettle
Mist spoilers: ||Apparently, beating Phantom and get through the mist is an alternative trigger for Act 2||
Probably still ||easier to do TLJ, but not by much||
mortal yarrow
||harder fight vs longer corpse run||
cerulean vigil
i got bodied by ||phantom|| enough i'll probably do th--- oh god thats going to be in randomiser logic
mortal yarrow
||that being said i COMPLETELY missed the bench somehow right before phantom. and had to run through the mist every time||
elfin kettle
That sounds like a critical mistake
cerulean vigil
i do wonder how often i've done stuff like that
versed wagon
Oh that totally makes sense
primal hedge
oh god no lol
mortal yarrow
||the fight itself i beat quick enough, i was having trouble getting there in the first place though ||
primal hedge
e.g. I would have put off Groal as long as possible if Wcct hadn't told me about the secret bench
versed wagon
||that being said i COMPLETELY missed the bench somehow right before phantom. an...
Meanwhile, me who got there and nope'd the fuck out
mortal yarrow
i got groal without it 
versed wagon
I remember walking in on the fight and was like || bro this is a BOSS boss I shouldn't be here!! ||
elfin kettle
I love the ||phantom|| fight so much
versed wagon
You give me a Grimm level entrance I'm gonna think I sequenced breaked
elfin kettle
Must be in my top 5 so far
primal hedge
Meanwhile, me who got there and nope'd the fuck out
I had that same map state but it's because ||instead of going inside, I went left first and went "oh god MORE MIST? nope I need to check if I can go back before I start Mist 2.0||
elfin kettle
Also we stan a dramatic enby king. (queen? Monarch?)
primal hedge
now _that_ is some lore
Phantom lore: ||this is Phantom in the mirror, right? the one Lace calls "sister" in a line I didn't screenshot? I'm not crazy? so the pronoun is she/her?||
primal hedge
||it sucks that we can't completely rule out the "gender unknown" usage of "they", but yeah I missed that||
elfin kettle
My guess based ||on the bit of lore I found as well, Phantom was a Lace prototype, as were the wraiths in the mist||
primal hedge
||I figured the wraiths/banshees "were Phantom" in some magical proxy sense, considering The Mist itself disappears after you beat Phantom and the organ stops playing||
versed wagon
Huh, a charged attack from the last crest one shots the banshees
cerulean vigil
the wiki says ||genderless|| so 
unlike a lot of characters that doesnt have a citation though
primal hedge
the game's like a week old, wikis only have the same evidence we're discussing to go off of lol
cerulean vigil
yeah, some cite tweets and such from team cherry from like 6 years ago
(such as for shakra)
elfin kettle
Given how they seem to be pretty ||androgynous on purpose I'd say it's okay to go for nonbinary here, especially given how lowkey woke this game is||
Example ||Green Prince talking about his male partner||
primal hedge
speaking of ||lowkey woke, I found confirmation of a gay male romance- yeah that||
elfin kettle
I'm not in act 3 but yeah
primal hedge
I guess I missed a pronoun somewhere where you're at because it wasn't clear me to until his encounter way later
elfin kettle
I got it when he was talking ||about the destroyed cogwork dancer, and how they were based on his partner||
primal hedge
oh, that's the same conversation I was alluding to
I guess that becomes available in act 2 and I just never walked through that particular hallway after spending that particular key
elfin kettle
You probably freed him very late and he was speedrunning through his quest
primal hedge
yeah I think I saved his key for last
since my first key had given me the impression these can open entire areas, not just start an NPC quest
act 3: ||in fact, can you even get to the diving bell without spending a simple key down there? does the game just go "lol find another key I guess" with no hints if you get that far without opening that door?||
versed wagon
Two are bought and two are found, I think?
primal hedge
oh, true, if you're rushing through the game I guess that part most likely becomes "go farm some money"
versed wagon
One is very out of the way, but one you find in a biome you can use it in
primal hedge
||I remember the SR one, completely forgot where the 4th was||
okay, it's been a whole hour since I stopped playing Silksong
it's time to play more Silksong
versed wagon
|| There's a parry button?! ||
Oh
Uhh, does this part evert get filled? Did I miss a map or something like that?
primal hedge
|| There's a parry button?! ||
that's literally what I said
versed wagon
|| There's a parry button?! ||
Okay this is for sure my permanent skill
cerulean vigil
yeyeye, its great
primal hedge
Uhh, does this part evert get filled? Did I miss a map or something like that?
it gets filled when you do more stuff there, I don't recall an explicit map pickup
act 3 cuteness: ||even the babies have a sleeping animation||
versed wagon
I thought I got everything in there but I can go back
primal hedge
maybe it's when you use one of the other exits
versed wagon
Ah there it is
Act 3: || Huh, if you make it here there's two void masses just for you ||
|| Also no more silkeaters I guess ||
You can go in the nest tho
mortal yarrow
Act 3: || Huh, if you make it here there's two void masses just for you ||
||noooo, styx was such a guy||
versed wagon
I don't know where this little guy is taking me, but I'll do anything for him
primal hedge
this still looks like a hidden passage I should be able to break into
versed wagon
Where is that on the map?
primal hedge
Vaultkeeper's room
versed wagon
Yeah I only have one exit on that room, so I guess not
cerulean vigil
theres an item there when you first go there
primal hedge
ah, I'm just a goldfish then
versed wagon
Shit I gotta teach myself to use this skill
versed wagon
I haven't I'll note it down
elfin kettle
Ender Lilies is good too but a bit more clunky IMO, Mangolia is the sequel and it's a bit more streamlined.
Not nearly polisehd to HK level but it's pretty good nonetheless
primal hedge
and that's my 12th ||void mass||, yeah there seem to be a decent number in the Citadel
versed wagon
Alright that's the Mount Fay boss down
primal hedge
I think I have that wish, but I'm about to do the Far Fields one
versed wagon
I think that's all the wishes done except || the mushroom one, which gives me vibes of "alternate ending" ||
primal hedge
...where is this guy
versed wagon
He's trackable, just gotta find on the thingies on the floor
primal hedge
somehow I've been to half the area and have yet to find any trackables
versed wagon
The first one is kinda right next to the exit of the bell
mortal yarrow
I think that's all the wishes done except || the mushroom one, which gives me vi...
i found the ||last location for that wish|| before having the wish and was like "so my reward for exploring is bestiary entries. okay"
primal hedge
"the exit of the bell"?
versed wagon
Shortest gauntlet ever
versed wagon
"the exit of the bell"?
Did you look at the wish on the wish inventoy?
primal hedge
ok now I'm worried this wish is actually bugged
versed wagon
Like, I'm pretty sure there's one right here or right close by
cerulean vigil
we doing big brain things
primal hedge
we're both talking about this one, right?
versed wagon
IF you prefer I can tell you where the trails ends and you can check if the fight starts
Oh that wish
versed wagon
That's not the Far Fields one I had in mind lol
versed wagon
we doing big brain things
That's one hell of a setup
primal hedge
yeah there is definitely nothing here
cerulean vigil
the ||witch|| crest doesnt do multibinder things
versed wagon
You want to go to the area that opened in || Pilgrim's rest ||
primal hedge
there's a ||building you enter||
oh... how is that "the furthest border" lol
mortal yarrow
||you might not have the area yet, there's much more to far fields||
primal hedge
yeah he's not here either
versed wagon
Well, it kinda is the furthest border (full Far Fields location and map shown)
primal hedge
now I can't even tell if you two are saying the same thing or mixing up even more super secret act 57 content
hm
mortal yarrow
i forgot you haven't progressed the main quest all that much yet
primal hedge
well I also have no leads on how to get to the Far Fields bit of the main quest
but Wcct just told me anyway
this looks like something I never would've found without a guide
||I am not going to manually silk soar test every ceiling in the game||
mortal yarrow
you go there as part of the main quest, they spell it out decently well
mortal yarrow
oh?
primal hedge
you go there as part of the main quest, they spell it out decently well
you mean they give you more information than a map marker later?
versed wagon
oh?
I just got || an upgrade for the boomerang, and there's no way that's the only one ||
mortal yarrow
you mean they give you more information than a map marker later?
||they give you hints for one at a time, though this is the only one that needed it, and both the hunter namedrop in the item and the dialogue gave me an idea of where to start||
cerulean vigil
i have decided i hate the witch heal and am taking that back
primal hedge
I couldn't get that to work lol
cerulean vigil
it needs to hit enemies, but its small and i keep getting hit doing it