Zelda Legend of Link The Legend of

[civic hawk]

''this world is so impure... I must get rid of its imperfections
AND MAKE IT AS BEAUTIFUL AS MMMEEEEE ''

holy shit this guy literally kicked Link to the side like a ragdoll

the disrespect

this guy... literally some weird homeless guy wants to stay at your house do you accept?

''I don't have money yet to pay you rent but here take this smelly weird old bracelet''

''it's very old, but he gifted it to you so you shouldn't complain!!''

I'll decide when I want to take a break from playing thank you very much!

smh smh, trying to watch out for my health

Oooooh the seven sages' story is this OOT's story?

hmmmm

doesn't look like it...

aaaaaaah she's so damn pretty

she says she's been dreaming about me Link you sly devil you

Sahasrala!

''You got an amulet! It still retains Princess Zelda's warmth''

I love that I'm just some random country boy that waltz into the castle and the princess just believes all of my insane ramblings and gives me her family's treasured heirloom

''Surely the Princess looked gorgeous, as always... right?''
''The Princess leaves behind a delicious fragrance when she passes by... it makes this job worthwhile!''

so many guards commenting on how much they love Zelda

I guess that's a good thing

there's some random old guy in the middle of Kakairko talking about this ''StreetPass'' and how it allows you to connect to other players and they turn into Dark Link so you can fight

talk about taking you out of the experience completely...

oh... so I just... buy it? the game doesn't give it to me like with the sword?

alright then

alright, look at us all decked out

we're ready for adventure now

this is nice

cozy

Aaagh I didn't catch it in time!!

A really cute witch girl just flew past me

oooh look at that

it's like with the bokoblin guts and shit

botoru getto!

now I can put some melk in this bad boy

(if you can't tell yet I'm actually thoroughly enjoying this game so far)

yummers

curses! I bet Ganon is behind this he can't keep getting away with it

niceu

you better give me free items, letting you stay in my house for free

alright!

Cuccoo lady!

oh my god they called her Cuca

oh no

''you wanna play with my cuccoos?''
eh... sure why not
''the rules are simple, you get in there, they're gonna try to attack you for 30 seconds, good luck! ''

sigh alright, we're doing this...

I love how she doesn't ask ''do you wanna play again? ''
she asks
''Do you want my cuccoos to attack you again? ''

oooohhh that little bar isn't magic it's like a pseudo stamina bar it refills but still takes 'magic' to use items

that's actually really nice

[unique dagger]

ye

[civic hawk]

alright, temple time

yayyy

damn

this one chest in the temple is messing me up so bad

Ohhhh fuck off I figured it out

boss time!

already?!

alright then

oh wow

that was easy

nooooo

lol this looks so goofy

nice, the || weird smelling bracelet the homeless guy || gave me actually worked

aaaaand heart get! hooray

Ooooohohohohho this is fuuuuuuun

Oooohh wooow, I'm exploring || OUTSIDE the temple now that I slipped through the crack ||

and the map even shows me || the new chests I can get, but didn't show me that before so as not to spoil it ||

so cool

uooohhh ! I hadn't found this earlier!

good to know

lol the fact that || there's rupees painted on the walls||
that's cute, || Wall Link's little step sounds|| are really cute too

Alright! Progress saved, objectives clear, the game officially starts now

I'll stop for now, that entire intro portion was understandably pretty linear-ish but now the game really opens up and I can pretty much go where I want, awesome so far the game has been excellent, I'm loving it

[supple quarry]

https://vxtwitter.com/yaduya_33/status/1684973445485154304?t=GrXiVXMMJcq74-oO9KMn3g&s=19

[visual folio]

I spent a few minutes trying to light up every brazier in that room at once, but found that's not possible, and I dunno if that's even the solution; I assume it's just there to make sure every player has seen at least one piece of heart they can't reach this early

[visual folio]

I assumed it was LttP's backstory + LttP's story

to what extent LttP's backstory contains older-in-the-timeline games is... I'm not gonna think about it lol

[visual folio]

I turned it on but I assume it won't do anything

[visual folio]

very LttP in that regard; iirc in LttP you get bombs by either buying them in a shop or finding them in a dungeon chest, and there's a zillion shops or chests that all could be your first source

ok, before the dungeon it looks like you did at least three things I did not (the witch, the arrows and that cucco game), and of course I haven't done the dungeon yet so I won't click those spoilers

(technically I didn't get milk, but I know how and chose to use my one bottle ||for bees instead||)

[visual folio]

ha, who needs power gloves when you have the power of CUCCOS

first heart piece

oh, I just lucked into a golden bee

||bee badge, now I'm... no longer afraid of bees?||

||oh wow, not only does it stop bees from attacking me, it makes any bee that spawns immediately start attacking enemies||

another tease for when I have more items

iiiinteresting, this little gap might just be the single biggest map change from LttP so far

ah, you have to go to Ravio for the arrows at this point anyway, I didn't "miss" them

I love it when they use furigana this way

the bow consuming stamina instead of arrows is definitely a win for me at least, it means I'll actually use it before I'm in a situation where the sword isn't an option

ah, the bow snaps to one of eight directions while aiming

that's probably for the best

oh, and it's nice having a real z-axis; a lot of the jumping enemies in LttP made it very obvious the SNES was faking its 3D

hmmmmm

does this mean we're going to get a jump over tiny walls ability at some point

welp, clearly this guy's about to die so I can get his staff

interesting, you get the full dungeon map the moment you set foot in one, no need to go find it first

it's the little things that really make a game modern

here I can see the next ball of doom before it comes out and possibly hits me, without having to sit down and memorize the pattern first

aaah, LttP's compass only showed the boss location, LBW's compass shows treasure chests and locked doors (the boss location is marked the moment you set foot in the dungeon)

iirc TP's compass did chests but not doors

speaking of not faking the z-axis

so that's how you get the monster parts for unlocking potions

huh, the big chest doesn't need any key to open, instead it contains the big door key

gee who could have ever forseen this

oh wow Yuga's fighting us himself? I was expecting him to run away and sick a big monster on us

so that's what Ravio's old smelly bracelet does

the map is such a liar

oh right, it's Zelda tradition to make the castle (or its otherworld equivalent) the final dungeon, should've seen this coming

I should go read the rest of Nire's backlog now that I've seen the whole first dungeon

[visual folio]

which one? was it one of the two where you have to walk down into a hallway you can't see from the top-down camera?

[visual folio]

good catch, I didn't even consciously notice that but come to think of it I definitely would've questioned the chests floating in the void if I'd seen them earlier

are you bucking kidding me

lol, nice one game, you got me fair and square

niiiiice, the 2D/3D transitions are necessary to get various overworld things, so aside from reshuffling the existing puzzles there's also this brand new type of overworld puzzle

[unique dagger]

Like Like mentioned !

[visual folio]

I feel like I'm not supposed to be here yet but oh well I found the way in

lol, my failed attempts to get down to the silver rupee keep adding chickens to that platform

that's different

oh thank goodness, it's a fix for the biggest flaw with LttP's core gameplay loop: ||letting me equip more than one item at a time||

oh she wants me to avoid the cuccos, not catch them

[civic hawk]

I tried that exact thing, I've already seen a couple heart pieces just barely out of reach in a ledge my little arms can't climb I'm assuming perhaps I'll get the ability to climb a ledge after or something like that since the one in Kakariko and the one in the first mini dungeon with the lamp seem impossible otherwise

[visual folio]

||I'm about 90% sure now that there's no climb/jump ability, but instead we're supposed to graffiti-walk along the walls in those rooms||

so thanks for reminding me to revisit the underground one

[civic hawk]

:twiclap: have fun

[visual folio]

but first, I'm not done with these cuccos

I can't tell if I'm bad at this or this is harder than it looks

egg and chick levels both took me 3 tries

[civic hawk]

It's quite difficult, I got it on my second and third tries with the third being on the second difficulty

But I stopped after I noticed the prize || is just double the rupees she asks you for ||

[visual folio]

I guess egg was "really" 2 tries since the 1st time I "died" instantly by not understanding the instructions lol

[civic hawk]

So I didn't think it was worth the time and money and left after the second level

[visual folio]

well I had literally a thousand rupees when I started

[civic hawk]

Go crazy maybe the final difficulty has a really good prize for doing all the difficulties or something

[visual folio]

wat

[civic hawk]

The sweet embrace of death

[visual folio]

lol, that time the big birds spawned in a way that slowly forced me to the edge and I couldn't dodge anything even if I did it perfectly

so luck is a factor in this

[civic hawk]

Or... Is it?

[visual folio]

yeah, it definitely is

pretty sure that was 6-10 tries, I stopped counting somewhere in there

[civic hawk]

And yes that was the one, I literally sighed and went " " because of how easy the solution was and I didn't do it before

[visual folio]

721 rupees after the prize, I believe I had 1021 when this started

[civic hawk]

Scam

[visual folio]

I've got nothing else to spend them on

also this is literally my second heart piece in the game so far

[civic hawk]

For now

[visual folio]

I'm gonna go sell this bee I have

[civic hawk]

I had no problem with rupees either but I'd rather not throw them away so I didn't go back to he cuccoo lady

But they literally grow on grass anyways

I got like 300 or something from just cutting grass

[visual folio]

oh look another bee

827

huh

Nire, have you met this NPC yet?

oh hi

well now you know where to go next time you play

||ah, the fast travel is much harder to miss this time around, that makes sense||

[visual folio]

||that was indeed the solution||

that is definitely new

[visual folio]

nice, there are subtle differences to look for (it also reacts to my sword differently)

👀

||dang, you can't graffiti to it because there's rocks in the walls by the dock||

sweet, I won the cross-map race first try (barely) without the shoe upgrade the NPC says you need

good example of easy ways to do non-linearity right

oh there's a harder course, I might need the upgrade for that

why do crows keep doing this

anyway ||this house up here gave me the power glove, so I have that now||

hahahaha these guys are just as googly-eyed as on the SNES

dodging the Mt Hebra boulders is much fairer now that real 3D is in effect and they do the standard modern thing of falling straight down with a shadow on the exact spot where they'll land

ah, so this is our new standard way of saying "you need X to get past this"

"I just need a place to stay" he said

wat

that's cheating

ok I was not expecting anything like this equipment system

||yay, this time they tell you that bombs can be thrown ||

omg ||eight-directional hookshot||

it's not enough

oh I already like this way of doing the collectibles sidequest

uh-huh, go ahead and do a victory pose, you're completely safe here

slight correction: you can select one of three pin colors by clicking on it after it's been placed

ok that's enough wandering around, time for Hera's Tower ||since I still can't find a way into the "wind temple" in the lake||

speaking of which, who is "Hera" in this universe?

[unique dagger]

i dont know

[visual folio]

sweet, my 10th monster gut

wow this version of the tower has 13 floors

[visual folio]

LBW's compass also shows keys not in chests apparently

oh boy

you were easily the worst part of LttP

and now you look like a hamburger

prepare to die

FIRST TRY

much slower than his LttP version, which I'm sure the Nintendo Hardcore generation will dislike but I think it makes this a far better fight; if I hadn't just played LttP that would've taken me a few minutes

[unique dagger]

hamburber

[visual folio]

also, 3d lynel

[unique dagger]

hello mr lynel

[visual folio]

you haven't played this one, right?

I feel like you'd vibe with ||the sidequest to save these little hermit crabs(???); once you pick it up they squeak so you can tell one's nearby||

[visual folio]

wow, LBW lynels are much tougher than LttP lynels

I think I need a better sword before I can even kill them in a reasonable time frame, this one took so many hits and I have no idea if it's close to dying

actually maybe this isn't new, I didn't even find LttP's lynels until much later

ok, first significant complaint: some of the puzzles that involve falling onto stuff really don't work with a strictly top-down camera

[unique dagger]

uh uh, i don't have a 3ds

[civic hawk]

Yes!

[visual folio]

what was she called in English?

[civic hawk]

Just temporary

I'm playing on Spanish not English

[visual folio]

derp

[civic hawk]

I can't remember right now though

[civic hawk]

this isn't cheating!!

This is one of the things I've heard the most praise for this game about

It's one of the ''main gimmicks'' of the game

It helps with the non linearity a lot by not blocking you out of... anywhere really

[civic hawk]

2D lynels are adorable teddy bears

[visual folio]

lol I was being sarcastic about someone just having half the key items in-universe

[civic hawk]

To be fair we don't really know what this guy even is yet

but he's got something going on alright

[visual folio]

also I'm 95% convinced Ravio knows something about Yuga because this timing is far too convenient, but the game won't let me ask him about it so

[civic hawk]

I mean... what random homeless guy has a weird smelling bracelet that saves you from paint-ification?

Not that many!

So I'm keepin an eye on 'im

Don't you dare betray me Ravioli

[unique dagger]

yuga

yiga

[civic hawk]

I think I felt this a bit after the first temple when you first go out into the cracks where you need to drop down a few platforms, it doesn't not work but whenever the platforms are anywhere that's hard to see it definitely sucks

You can move the camera around... but not the angle itself...

[visual folio]

the reason I ask is that, well, "girigiri" has several meanings, one of which is "just barely"/"at the limit"/etc, which when applied to "onee-san" of all things becomes ||the standard colloquialism for jailbait, i.e. a woman dangerously close to the age of consent || so I was wondering if that adult joke made it into other languages

[unique dagger]

did you know that everything in the world is tilted

[visual folio]

oh I know

it's easy to expose in-game with graffiti mode

[unique dagger]

oh

well i still thought it was interesting

[visual folio]

oh yeah perspective issues are interesting

hm, yeah I'm not in a good area to show it off atm

[unique dagger]

it kind of makes me feel weird though

[civic hawk]

Yeah of course it's tilted, otherwise you would only see the top of everyone's head but I did notice that, especially because, and this is something I had read about before going into the game but I noticed by myself, that Link doesn't exactly walk fully in the direction you're going, or, at least, he does, but the map itself is tilted, so it always seems like Link is always drifting to the left a bit

It may be less noticeable with a pad, but with my keys it's definitely noticeable for sure

I'm always having to correct where I'm going because Link just slowly but surely drifts a bit, because everything is pretty much tilted due to the perspective

[unique dagger]

im sorry for sharing a fact i thought was interesting i guess

[visual folio]

we're not saying don't share it!

[civic hawk]

To answer your question Ixrec, I just looked it up real quick, unfotunately no, in no other language does that NPC translate to that 'pun'
In most languages she's just called either the girl with rupees, the rupee hunt organizer, rupee rush gal in english
In Castillian she's called ''Rupinda'' which is kind of a pun name on a sufix 'inda' from a real name and Rup from Rupia (rupee)
in LA spanish she's called ''Encargada de Riqueza con Cabeza'' (literally Keeper of Wealth with Head)

[civic hawk]

I don't know if I said anything wrong but I wasn't trying to be mean or anything

I was just sharing an interesting fact of my own that I learned related to what you mentioned

[visual folio]

woo nearly found all of the critters in Mt Hebra on my first pass

at this point the last guy is likely blocked behind either a superglove or whatever those eagle towers are

well I guess it's second pass if you include the first time I climbed up to the tower of hera save point and then warped away but still

[civic hawk]

oh my god I just spoiled myself on an item you can get trying to look for pictures of this npc to show it's not super spoilery and if you played lttp you should assume that item is here too but still

gotta stop doing that

What are you using the pins for right now? Just so I kinda get an idea of what I can use them for myself, I should probably maybe pin down some heart pieces I have seen but wasn't able to get, I assumed that with the main power of going into walls I could go up to some places but it doesn't seem like it's possible so I'm guessing all those heart pieces I saw are acquired with some other thing....

[unique dagger]

i wonder if the Master Sword pull is the same in this game

[civic hawk]

Just to mention I saw one in Kakariko, one is in the graveyard mini dungeon thingy, and the other was in the castle (the one the main menu spoils )

[visual folio]

oddly enough I think every heart piece I've seen so far, I either figured out how to get post-tutorial dungeon, or is next to something else I also wanted to pin

[civic hawk]

I... guess I'm too dumb to figure it out then... I seriously have no clue how to get these things and assumed I had to come back later with some item

I guess I'll go back to check, see what I can do

[visual folio]

so far what I've ended up doing is yellow for the hermit crabs I couldn't collect, blue for those eagle crest towers I don't know what to do with, and red for anything else that's clearly a "come back later" point (which so far is mostly large rocks)

[visual folio]

it's also entirely possible you've found different heart pieces

[unique dagger]

i remember the crabs

from a playthrough i watched

[civic hawk]

Maybe, but if you managed to get the one in the graveyard then that's at least one I could've gotten and didn't

[visual folio]

ok yeah you definitely can get the one under the graveyard

[unique dagger]

why ISNT THE MAP IN MODE 7

[civic hawk]

have you not found any bombs yet? I remember coming across a guy who sold bombs I think but I didn't seem to need any at the moment or had no rupees, can't remember but I'm sure I saw some bombs even before going into the temple...

I was too focused on getting rupees for my bottle so I could get some delicious warm milk for the journey

[visual folio]

bombs are ||one of the items Ravio lends you||

[unique dagger]

the desert looks differnt

[civic hawk]

noice, I was going to propose || using bombs on big rocks? ||

[visual folio]

the desert being cut off in the light world does weird me out yeah

[civic hawk]

I don't know exactly how the lttp map looks like but considering this is an OOT-TP situation the geography has probably likely definitely changed after a few hundred years

[visual folio]

||I believe only cracked rocks are bombable, and by "big rocks" I mean the solid gray square-ish ones that at least in LttP needed glove 2 to lift||

[unique dagger]

it's more or less the same it just had some small differences

[civic hawk]

Aaahhhh okay okay, yeah I saw one of those || near your dad's (??????) house that I assumed I needed big ol' gloves for ||

That reminds me, whenever I get back on the game I gotta go find my mum because when I saved she was hanging around my house looking for her kid and going directly into the forest full of monsters

[visual folio]

light world turtle rock had ||a really good hookshot + graffiti puzzle room that took me several minutes, the reward's just rupees though||

[civic hawk]

I think BOTW/TOTK spoiled me when it comes to ''rewards'' for puzzles and challenges or something because I expect a neat item or something but it's mostly rupees from what little I did myself, not that I'm complaining, you're probably gonna be using a lot of rupees anyways

[unique dagger]

does Link even have an uncle in this game

[civic hawk]

you have a dad and mom

[unique dagger]

purple hair magoo

WHAT

[civic hawk]

and... brother (?)

[visual folio]

perfect example: this heart piece is next to one of those towers

to be clear, the game does not clearly state who if anyone your biological parents are, what is stated is that you're a blacksmith's apprentice; the blacksmith and the woman I assume is his wife are the closest thing you have to parents and sort of treat you like a child needing discipline (until you start doing this whole adventure and they seemingly don't even notice??? )

sucks to be this guy

finally done with Mt Hebra for now, and... I already have 20 monster guts

[unique dagger]

there's concept art of BotW Link's dad and sister but they were never put in the game

[visual folio]

ah, these monster part numbers are for making each potion once, it's not a one-time unlock

no wonder it wasn't that hard to get to 10

[civic hawk]

Dad straight up doesn't give a shit if you're the chosen hero or not
I came back to see him fully decked out in my gear and he was like ''oh so did you give the guard captain his sword back you brat? ''

I call them dad and mom but yeah it may just be because the little kid calls them that and he's probably their kid but Link may just be an orphan or something

But the lady is really nice so I call her mom anyways

[visual folio]

it is pretty heavily implied you don't share a house

[civic hawk]

She was worried that I hadn't eaten anything yet and told me I should after doing the delivery yes mum

Well heavily implied meaning Link straight up has a house for 1 person and it's called 'Link's house'

so a bit more explicit

[visual folio]

and Ravio mistakes it for an abandoned house

and your "parents" never notice he appropriates it

[civic hawk]

well at least we have a house!

the hero doesn't have time to clean his house

[civic hawk]

''Finally we got rid of that weird kid''

he hasn't put up his shop in my playthrough yet so I didn't see that whole thing yet but I did know he was gonna whip out the item shop from before though

[visual folio]

yep that was all brand new to me

the only thing I knew going into this was "LttP sequel, 3DS, was it the one with that pink bunny guy?"

[civic hawk]

Once I get that I'm gonna see what I decide to do since that whole system supposedly opens up a bunch if not pretty much all possibilities because you're not being locked from doing anything by having to do this one temple first or something

I was around back when the game came out so I do ''unfortunately'' know some things going into it

but pretty minor, like knowing about the shop system

The ''survive the vicious onslaught of cuccoo'' minigame was something I had no clue about for example

[visual folio]

definitely not all, e.g. the power glove(s???) aren't there, and if you can swim that's not there, just from what I know so far

hm I still haven't figured out how to reach the 3rd dungeon

the hint glasses apply to flat link

[unique dagger]

fit

[civic hawk]

swag

[visual folio]

ok this is the third crab I've found underwater, there must be swimming in this game

[supple quarry]

I have never seen those glasses before

That's so cute

[visual folio]

now I am:

[bright girder]

Next time 🫱 my girl 👩‍🚀 tells me shes flat 🧱 imma show her ☝️ this image 😂

[civic hawk]

Not really an ''issue'' of perspective but more of a necessity, but yeah that's a good way to show it

It would be extremely hard if everything was in the ''correct'' perspective you'd probably not be able to see anything

[visual folio]

speaking of LttP map similarities

I bet some of you who played LttP immediately recognize this completely unremarkable location by the flower arrangement

[bright girder]

||north of kakariko||

WTFFFFF

[visual folio]

answer:

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finally

not that I needed it, but

[civic hawk]

Link's gonna need a bigger wallet by the end of the game...

ahhh furigana

a lifesaver for dum dums like me

[visual folio]

and every native speaker

there's a reason everything aimed at not-just-adults tries to include it

[bright girder]

Language is so bad they need bonus letters to explain

[civic hawk]

that's out of line but not wrong

[visual folio]

to be fair, every language has some of that

"hors d'oeuvres is pronounced orderve"

[civic hawk]

I wonder if young japanese people generally are less knowledgeable on kanjis than the older population

okay but french is silly and we all know that already

it's an easy target

[visual folio]

oh they are, there are specific lists of kanji you're expected to learn in school at each grade level

[bright girder]

I think they need a big reform if you need bonus letters in normal sentences

[visual folio]

to the point that any time in fiction you see Japanese written entirely with kana, you're supposed to assume the author/speaker was a young child

[civic hawk]

Considering how traditional japanese is (so much so they still mostly use a lot of old methods in daily worklife like faxes, manual writing, paying in cash etc) somehow I doubt a full language reform is gonna happen anytime soon

[civic hawk]

Okay I didn't mean THAT young

[visual folio]

lol

[civic hawk]

I meant like, 20-30 year olds compared to anywhere over 40 something

[visual folio]

ok but broadly probably yes

I'm sure there's lots of obscure English words we know that zoomers don't

and vice versa for the brand new slang

[civic hawk]

Are you including me in that ''we''? Because I'm a zoomer

[visual folio]

well

you don't feel like one?

oh, also, Japanese kanji come from "traditional" Chinese; the "simplified" Chinese characters mostly never made it into Japan either

[civic hawk]

thank you

also that yeah

[visual folio]

馬 is the kanji / traditional hanzi for "uma" = horse, 马 is the simplified hanzi

it's certainly simpler, but I've never seen it used in Japan

[civic hawk]

''I'm gonna pretend I didn't see that'' 🇯🇵

With how much young people are more in touch with digital stuff, I also assume that the fact that so much of the japanese language when you're typing is ''automatized'' I wonder if that also leads to some people to, to some degree, be less literate due to basically not having to write it themselves

[visual folio]

I certainly can't hand-write any kanji

to be fair even adults doing handwriting usually resort to kana for the really painful ones

[civic hawk]

I know that especially amongst older japanese people and even more so in daily worklife like I mentioned before, a lot of stuff is done very manually and the old school way (not that old school), so still using fax still writing a bunch of stuff manually themselves, though I do know that it's a part of japanese culture to have your own customized stamp for your signature I think and it's just part of the many documents you gotta have as a citizen

[visual folio]

the hanko stamps are cool at least

[civic hawk]

yeah of course I'm speaking very broadly and generally here I'm sure that a lot of more adult and older people in japan would find these things a hell of a lot more convenient

[visual folio]

hand-signing receipts and contracts over here just feels silly

[civic hawk]

when I went to get my documents to be able to vote because I'm an adult now I had to write my signature on a digital little pad with a digital pen

Even in my country we're doing stuff like that nowadays

[visual folio]

same

well not to vote, but I've done the hand-sign on a digital terminal thing yeah

[civic hawk]

and I live on one corner of south america, japan has no excuse other than they're just used to it I do know there's this one mayor or something that was recently pushing for japan to adopt more modern and digital alternatives but I don't know if that went anywhere or if it's still a process that's going on over there

to be fair it's not like it's a bad thing at the end of the day it's just interesting to me

[visual folio]

it did become a bad thing the one time I had to try faxing something

[civic hawk]

japan has always had an interesting connection with nature and tradition despite being seen as super modern and ahead of the world (which hey kinda relates to Zelda since it's a super shintoism inspired franchise ''

[civic hawk]

[visual folio]

not that faxing as a technology is inherently bad or anything

it's just so thoroughly unsupported over here that a place not having any alternative contact method is bad

and now back to me having no idea what I'm doing

[bright girder]

this is just like family guy

[civic hawk]

Right, that's pretty much what it boils down to, I did also hear mostly from some streamers that live in japan I usually watch (the trash taste boys ) that it's also quite the hassle to pretty much have to do any like, legal procedure of any kind or anything involving documents and stuff like that, I remember they had an entire episode of a podcast talking about how much of a nightmare banks are

[civic hawk]

Oh no, Yuga turned Link into a cuccoo

[visual folio]

lol, there was actually a rupee behind this one

[civic hawk]

(does that button say ''Dero'' or ''Deru''? I can't tell if it's a different hiragana or if it's the game's font style)

[visual folio]

deru

there is a little curl at the bottom that makes it a ru instead of ro

[civic hawk]

there's tons of details like that that are honestly really appreciated I like that a lot

ah, 'Deru' is 'Out'

[visual folio]

yep

leave, exit, get out, come out, appear, etc

[civic hawk]

what does it say when you're next to a wall?

[visual folio]

壁画☆【へきがhekiga】
noun: fresco; mural; wall painting

[civic hawk]

huh

[visual folio]

hekiga is not the most common term ever, but 壁 wall is worth knowing

ok I'm still out of leads on how to get to the center of the lake, but I've been putting off lost woods this whole time so might as well try it

I'm literally running out of map pins

aaaaand the very first thing in the woods is another pin

this dark world portal was replaced by a hermit crab

[unique dagger]

have you guys seen this commercial
https://youtu.be/cjpHzLYHkwA

[visual folio]

nope

[unique dagger]

it's wonderful

[civic hawk]

Also noticed that it's not written in kanji but yeah that's a bit odd at least from my perspective obviously
in Spanish it's: ''Fundirse'' (to melt/to merge/to fuse) and to exit it's just 'Salir' (leave/get out)

also a cute detail is that the music gets muffled (or I guess goes into mono audio) when you go into the walls lol

[visual folio]

I was wondering whether to comment on that yeah

wasn't sure what the proper audio term was

that commercial ganon reminds me of the RotJ rancor

[bright girder]

zelda has a lot of unhinged commercials in japan

[civic hawk]

''hiyahiyahiya...''?

[bright girder]

America really gets it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lv_XqCx21VU

[visual folio]

hyahyahya (small ya's), but yes

the choice on the right was the interesting part

[civic hawk]

''goshitsipu san''?

Oh

let me see

[visual folio]

goshippu as in gossip

[civic hawk]

''Hime-sama no koi'' ?

[visual folio]

yep

[civic hawk]

well I haven't met that npc yet so I dunno what's going on but I think I can gather it's asking about gossip relating to that?

[visual folio]

yeah

not that he knows much, but it's funny that the option to ask is there

(that's why I only took a picture inside, so it wouldn't give you any hint as to where he is)

[civic hawk]

npcs sure talk a lot about the princess in this game, didn't even leave the castle and like 3 guards were talking about how much they loved the princess and how gorgeous she is

[civic hawk]

how dare you

[visual folio]

[unique dagger]

MAKAR MENTIONED

[visual folio]

I feel like I'm missing something very basic about how this tornado rod is used

apparenetly not

[unique dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/makar-makar-zelda-makar-wind-waker-wind-waker-gif-1704232498199370139

[civic hawk]

are these paintings intentionally placed at head-height for this framing?

[visual folio]

oooh except ||floor tiles do get blown away by it, unlike basically everything else||

also I have officially run out of map pins

[civic hawk]

guess you better start looking around for anything you can do to solve whatever it is you pinned

Just how many things do you have pinned down though ...

well I guess I barely started the game so I didn't have much to find or do myself

[visual folio]

I'll probably just unpin the towers next time I find a crab I can't reach

[civic hawk]

You guys keep talking about crabs that I have no clue about

[visual folio]

I kinda gave up spoiler tagging any mention of that (as opposed to concrete steps/solutions)

I AM AN IDIOT

[unique dagger]

no you arent dont say that

[visual folio]

it took me almost 7 hours to realize that ||this gap is trivial as soon as you can flatten into walls||

||well ok that's including time to actually do the first dungeon since I went up here super early||

now we're making real progress again

yahari, kisama datta

[unique dagger]

i wonder if the guy under the bridge is in this game

[visual folio]

as soon as I can swim, I plan to find out

yeeeeeeees I haz swimming now

ha, this time the queen even adds "I like to say we get along well with humans, but not all the zora listen to me..."

[unique dagger]

the zora are hot in this game

[visual folio]

now to spend a few hours jumping into every water tile on the map

[unique dagger]

i think i might like this Zora Queen's design better than BotW/TotK's design

[visual folio]

also the swimming handles better than in LttP

[unique dagger]

i figured that would be a given

[unique dagger]

no comfy fire ????

[visual folio]

||he just likes birds||

[civic hawk]

hello there

[unique dagger]

that's fair

[civic hawk]

I guess now I know there's swimming

I assumed there'd be some form of aquatic traversal

either swimming or a raft

[visual folio]

I'd seen maybe 20 things underwater by this point so it was pretty clear

I figure you must have at least a few times

was there ever a raft after Z1?

unless you count the boat in WW

[civic hawk]

I don't think I've really been around water that much to say I have

I don't think any other zeldas have bodies of water big enough for that

Windwaker but, that's obvious

[visual folio]

so in this game we have hylians, and the zora, and that seems to be it for species that talk?

[unique dagger]

yeah there was one in Zelda II

[visual folio]

iirc gorons and gerudo don't exist until OoT and rito don't exist until WW?

[civic hawk]

Correct

The orni appeared only in WW and BOTW/TOTK turned them into furries
Gorons first appeared in OOT and to my knowledge don't show up at all in any fallen hero timeline game (LTTP, Z1, Z2, ALBW)

[unique dagger]

there are gorons in the Oracle games

[visual folio]

the little brown guys in mt hebra that turn into rocks when you hit them had me wondering, but they never talk

[unique dagger]

the fallen hero timeline is LttP, Link's Awakening, Oracle games, Link Between Worlds, Zelda 1, Zelda 2

[visual folio]

now I can finally learn what this thing is

||"before I die... I want to taste the Premium Milk from the Milk Bar..." ||

[unique dagger]

it's a receipt

oh

maybe the bug net kid said that

wait he's not in this game

[visual folio]

this idiot didn't even write down where they are

[unique dagger]

maybe they weren't expecting anyone to find it

[visual folio]

no game I am not taking a break

[civic hawk]

'You've been playing for a while! Don't you wanna take a break? '

played for 15 min

The game actually told me that when I reached the save point by like the graveyard I think

It's been like 10 min game

[visual folio]

I assume it does that every time you save

[civic hawk]

not every time, no

[visual folio]

wait what

[civic hawk]

but sometimes, or every couple of minutes

[visual folio]

I could've sworn I've gotten it every time

[unique dagger]

i have no idea what Nintendo's obsession with you taking a break was in the late 2000s early 2010s

[civic hawk]

I've gotten it pretty often, but not every time

Depends how often you save

[visual folio]

oh nice ||the milk bartender knows exactly who wrote this||

saved again

you're right, it didn't ask this time

[civic hawk]

It probably doesn't ask whenever you save pretty close to the last save, but after like, 10 min it probably will ask you

but yeah pretty annoying

[bright girder]

IIRC in Galaxy 2 it was after every single level

after you had played for an hour, obviously

[civic hawk]

This game seems pretty non-linear so doing it after like, every temple or something would be a bit weird, but it should definitely be a lot longer, like every 25-30 min which is probably enough time for a portable game, though if I had a choice I'd ask for there to not be any at all

good thing the Switch doesn't have that, at least I think

[visual folio]

to be clear, it's not an actual problem since I'm just mashing A to get through the save text anyway, it's just funny

[civic hawk]

yeah of course it's just an observation really

I find it interesting that it's even there at all but, at most it's just kinda annoying but not a big deal

I don't remember if we even touched on this but I really liked how this game doesn't have a magic meter and instead uses a pseudo stamina bar of sorts for items in general

I really like that change

[visual folio]

I also really like it

LttP had magic refill items often enough that it never became a big issue for me

but it definitely means I wasn't experimenting with any of the magical items outside of situations where I knew I needed them

and there was one time when I had to just quit out of a boss fight because I ran out of magic (I'm sure you could argue both ways on whether that's good or not; I just brought more potions next time so it worked out regardless)

[civic hawk]

mmmmhm, that is one of the things that was becoming pretty standard in the franchise that people really started to dislike

this game pretty much started what BOTW went tenfold with when it comes to breaking conventions of a Zelda game

in Majora's Mask 3D for example, a big 'problem' was that Zora swimming was tied to magic whereas in the original it was not, if you wanted to swim at all you had to just swim like normal in zelda games at the time, so just a regular little paddle, if you wanted to do the super fast really fun swimming you had to use magic for some reason (on the remake), which creates that exact problem, players don't want to experiment and use it, because it wastes resources, and in the worst cases it blocked players from using other items that needed that magic so you couldn't progress on this one thing

So this is a welcome change

soon as I got the bow I started using it even if I didn't need to, just because I wanted to and the game allowed me to use it as much as I want

[visual folio]

yes, exactly

in retrospect too much but that's part of the fun

ok time for the 3rd dungeon

[civic hawk]

have you been playing the whole day or is the game not that big in scale that you're on the 3rd already?

[visual folio]

pretty much all day

it is the weekend

[civic hawk]

that's true

[visual folio]

this feels similar to how fast I got through LttP, except for taking way too long to figure out how to get into dungeon 3

...did my game glitch? ||there's no key there||

oh nvm, that icon includes not-yet-spawned keys and I missed a spot

[supple quarry]

https://vxtwitter.com/paozi_haox/status/1685316399693189120?t=jwk8Ba26A8jNFssXLU_9kw&s=19

[visual folio]

I like the detail that Zelda accidentally brought the mushroom fad to Rauru's time

[supple quarry]

It's so stylish 🍄

[visual folio]

dungeon 3 complete

[civic hawk]

that should be it for the amulets I think

it's 3 amulets needed iirc

[visual folio]

yep, I'm doing lost woods now

[civic hawk]

So you're gonna be doing an entirely new section of the game I have no clue about now

[visual folio]

in LttP you just kinda walk through a woodsy overworld zone to the master sword and then pull it

but here between the overworld bit and the sword, there's a now-classic lost woods segment where you have to pay attention to tell which way to go instead of wandering aimlessly

[civic hawk]

I guess that's where they got the idea for BOTW's forest

[visual folio]

I mean OoT and TP had these too

that's why I say now-classic

LttP not having one felt weird, but only because I played these out of order

good lost woods puzzle

shiny

[unique dagger]

woohoo !

[unique dagger]

oh interesting

there were the fake Master Swords

[visual folio]

360-degree sword beams

[unique dagger]

but i guess that's not really a puzzle

[visual folio]

oh yeah those were funny

[unique dagger]

and the thief who steals your shit

[visual folio]

but yes by puzzle I mean in this one ||there was a ring of poes and one of them said "follow me" then the poes moved around in this confusing pattern to make you lose track of which one said that, then it got more complicated a couple times||

oooh the sword beams cut grass

gonna up the spoiler tagging now that I'm doing the next main quest thing

||the real guards all got turned into wall art||

is he gonna be okay on his own down there?

I remember these guys

oh nice they got a new attack

||wow, Impa held this guy off long enough for me to do two whole dungeons and associated overworlding? nice||

||...dude, we do not need to know if you prefer blondes or brunettes||

waifu.png

[visual folio]

(family zoom happened before I got to the boss so big gaps here between chatter, but)

this ||Ganon resurrection|| legit looks really cool

[civic hawk]

watch ixrec finish the game tonight/tomorrow while I just barely got started

[visual folio]

oooh, they're not always this explicit about ||who has which triforce parts when||

Nire don't you dare click that

this is actually unexpected

[civic hawk]

I can't believe you actually spent all day playing this game

you didn't have a TOTK session this long at least from what I remember

[visual folio]

well this was interrupted several times and I wasn't liveblogging TotK nearly as thoroughly (especially not as many screenshots)

like the last 3 hours were basically family zoom chat so I got no real gameplay in

[civic hawk]

Ah you just left it running then

[unique dagger]

play while you're on zoom

[civic hawk]

I did the same in TOTK too

[unique dagger]

oh you're emulating

woopsies

[visual folio]

I happened to be at a spot where closing the emulator would've required redoing stuff I didn't want to redo

[civic hawk]

Unfortunately Citra doesn't have a total playtime tracker so I can't see how many hours I pumped into ALBW

[visual folio]

plus at this point I'm not sure I can post anything without a spoiler tag until you've gotten a bit farther

||I honestly didn't know if LBW was going to have a dark world in addition to the flattening thing, but it does!||

no I will not take a break

||yay, they let you switch the map without switching worlds this time||

[civic hawk]

yeah I'm actually trying my best to not look in here because I don't want to stop you from posting or discussing anything but I also want to play this one relatively blind

at least until I get to where you are if not even further ahead

[visual folio]

the good news is that where I'm at now probably means a lot of overworlding for a while

[visual folio]

LOL so that's why this one house in Kakariko was always closed

oh, oh my

Ravio is about to get ALL ~4,200 of my rupees

[civic hawk]

this game sure throws a bunch of rupees at you

[visual folio]

oh yeah, Ganon doesn't stand a chance now

||yeeees it marks portals on the map automatically || man, the things you take for granted when you play only modern games for a while

[unique dagger]

what was it

[visual folio]

||he started selling items instead of just renting them||

[unique dagger]

!!!!!!

[visual folio]

yup

speaking of which I just got another 800 for him

so, naturally, the game presents me with something I want to buy moments after I give Ravio the last of my rupees

multiple things actually

||Humans are filthy... We can trust only in... the demons!||
I guess that's one way to rationalize ||living in the dark world||

wow, I found a guy who sells a golden bee for 9999 rupees

hey Cap, look what I just bought

[visual folio]

||now I have a Nice Bow, a Nice Boomerang, and Nice Bombs||

ok now I think I'm done playing for today

finally

...and the game didn't ask if I want a break

[civic hawk]

I guess it's my turn now
pouch get!

[visual folio]

ah, that makes one of my spoiler tags safe now

[civic hawk]

there's the girl

[visual folio]

ok that one's beyond my Spanish

[civic hawk]

The name is literally ''Manager of Wealth with Head'' which is the name of the minigame she's in charge of, ''riqueza con cabeza'' obviously rhymes and saying that you do something ''con cabeza'' (with your head) pretty much means to do something intelligently

heh

[visual folio]

I think I stumbled into that one eventually

[civic hawk]

haato getto

[visual folio]

did you get that by power gloving the rocks?

[civic hawk]

I don't have any gloves yet I just kinda did my best to maneuver the cuccoo over to the left so I could get in the hole

hah, wall link actually has the lamp with him as well, that's really nice

it's the little details

[visual folio]

ah you also found the cucco workaround, nice

[civic hawk]

hmmm.... wait a minute, if I can go into the wall to get a better angle of a picture....

I knew it, it was a bunch of Zelda pictures

[visual folio]

that is why I kept going into walls behind pictures; it was the only way to see what most of the pictures are

oh wow lol

I didn't look that hard at that house

[civic hawk]

It's my survival horror brain telling me to interact with everything in a room before moving to another one

[visual folio]

tbf that's not wrong in Zelda either

much easier to remember what areas you've searched when you either do a thorough search or none at all

[civic hawk]

yus

[visual folio]

wait

[civic hawk]

just two more

[visual folio]

oh

aaaaah I never tried that

duh

[civic hawk]

[visual folio]

||I did finally try walking around those walls in the dark world, but of course the heart piece is in the light world, so I thought about portals for a bit, but then something else distracted me||

[civic hawk]

hmmm... Guri has a special relationship with animals you say...

I did see some animals....

[visual folio]

/magic powder

[civic hawk]

ahhh

witch girl!

she gave me a bell for quick travel awesome

''I'm not doing this because I want to...!''
tsundere, got it

[visual folio]

interesting, she gave me the bell on the stone bridge SE of the castle

[civic hawk]

clue glasses...? huh

[visual folio]

I like how after you use her fast travel enough times ||she doesn't even show up any more, just sending her broom out on its own||

[civic hawk]

I'm guessing she appears after you reach a certain point anywhere on the map

[visual folio]

I'm wondering what the criteria are though

maybe it's just a number of screens after the first dungeon

I don't see anything obvious in common with the two places we found her

[civic hawk]

That's pretty close to where I currently am in comparison to the castle, I'm guessing there's a certain radius of sorts around the castle on any direction and she appears whenever you cross that

huh....

[visual folio]

ah, you got those much later than I did

[civic hawk]

can't move boulders without titan's glove huh

what a weird system, it literally is just a clue ghost

[visual folio]

there was a phase earlier today when I wandered all over the map with these glasses on and struggled to find a single clue ghost

so I'm very unsure about their coverage

but I also haven't gotten properly stuck yet

(I almost did, but forgot to check for clue ghosts near ||that gap between the magic shack and zora village|| so I dunno if there ever was one there)

come to think of it I never checked for them in dungeons

[civic hawk]

hmmmm

guess I'll be back later

oh, small rocks only

still good

Oooh it's a permanent upgrade not an item!

And Link is even wearing the gloves in his model too!

[visual folio]

yeah, Titan's Glove is a step above Power Glove

[unique dagger]

Titan's Mitt !

[visual folio]

well we're mixing three languages of not-quite-matching glove names but you get the idea

[civic hawk]

Oh shit I accidentally went into death mountain

Uh... should I just do this now that I'm here or keep exploring..?

[visual folio]

I mean

one of the red Xs on your map is at the top of Mt Hebra

so it was gonna happen sooner or later

[civic hawk]

I guess so I guess I just wanted to check if there was anything else I could get right now outside of main quest but... I guess now that I'm here

hmmmm....

[visual folio]

ok, in Japanese Link to the Past it was パワーグラブ power glove for gray rocks of either size, and パワフルグラブ powerful glove for black rocks; in English it was Power Glove and Titan's Mitt

(not looking up LBW for obvious reasons)

[unique dagger]

yea

sorry, i only know english

🧤

[visual folio]

I agree with the translator getting creative on that one

[civic hawk]

ahhh shit

I can't cut these logs?

welp

I guess can't do this yet

hmmmmm

time to visit ravioli

alright, witch girl I need a ride

whee

[visual folio]

those icon pillars were a clever solution to the problem of true non-linearity in a world where you need 15 different items to bypass 15 different kinds of obstacles and you don't want to smack the player with a giant tutorial on all of them upfront

should that "tu" have an accent?

[unique dagger]

tu casa

[civic hawk]

Nope, tú only has an accent when you're referring to the person you're directly talking to

[visual folio]

uh

tú = you, tu = your?

[civic hawk]

''Hey how about you lend me your house and I lend you my awesome items? It's decided! And don't look at me like that... you don't even come around here often anyways!''

[civic hawk]

pretty much

[visual folio]

makes sense

so, decision time, what are you gonna rent?

[civic hawk]

hehe

well I'm gonna get the hammer of course

''mr. hero, don't touch that bag! it holds something more important than even our lives!''

....i'mma touch it

[visual folio]

wait what

[civic hawk]

for me?

[visual folio]

dang I saw the bag but never tried to interact with it

ah, and mi without accent is "my"?

[unique dagger]

you guys don't know anything about the story right ?

[civic hawk]

I just got close to it but yeah he just kinda said it when I went out the wall

[visual folio]

you've read my spoiler tags, I dunno squat about what happens past the point I got to today

[unique dagger]

ok cool

[visual folio]

I'm still absorbing the fact that [spoiler] exists and she's got a whole [spoiler] where there used to be just [spoiler]

[civic hawk]

I love how she just drops me like I'm a sack of potatoes

[visual folio]

the greenest sack of potatoes

[civic hawk]

mmm green potatoes

aha!

mine mine mine

[visual folio]

[civic hawk]

hhmmmmmm

hey wait.. I remember seeing a heart surrounded by logs that I can now break, but where did I remember seeing that

oh! the heart at the castle should be up for grabs now

oh pff there we go

just had to walk

[visual folio]

oh right, I don't think I went back for this specific chest yet

incidentally, imo unlocking Ravio's stash of lendable items is where it makes sense to start pinning things you can't figure out

because now a lot of the time you find a thing, you can use the right item to just get it right away

before you'd be pinning everything and collecting nothing and 20 pins would run out in no time

[civic hawk]

mmm yeah, makes sense

I haven't seen much I can't get to or do quiiite yet

aah!

[visual folio]

somehow I never saw that heart piece until I stumbled into it

[civic hawk]

first extra heart!

[visual folio]

I dunno why I put off the woods for so long

[civic hawk]

aaaand got the hyrule castle heart piece too!

I'm blazing through this

lol I love how sudden the atmosphere change is as soon as you step anywhere in the vicinity of the castle

one screen is adventurous and fun with a joyous jingle

then it's all dark and gloomy and there's no music at all

lol a knight killed another knight, so there's friendly fire good to know

I can't believe that worked

I feel like I'm cheating

too bad i don't have a bottle on me...

[visual folio]

I never figured out a way to get there

[civic hawk]

do you want me to tell you how I did it?

[visual folio]

nope

[civic hawk]

when I did it I couldn't believe it worked but I'm glad it did just because it feels intended in a way, like they expected players to do that

anyways this dungeon is... weird

Oh!

Hah, that was interesting

I straight up just jump to the higher level

oohhh haaaaaah

nice

aaaahhhh

this last chest

I have no clue where it is

[visual folio]

iirc ||just keep going, you can easily fall on it later||

[civic hawk]

oh derp

that wasn't a boss door it was just a door

nevermind

[visual folio]

it's a very tall tower

[civic hawk]

fooound iiiit

[visual folio]

I didn't notice the arrows at first and thought it was just 3 levels, so when I got to level 3 I was going "that's it???" until I found 4

[civic hawk]

oh wow, it is tall

damn

[visual folio]

got used to LttP always showing me the full list of floors on screen

[civic hawk]

the floor is evil!

I see you

Well I guess I can drink my milk now and put a fairy in the bottle

I.... can't?

[visual folio]

oh

I think you just hit something I discovered during LttP

that you can't catch critters with the bottle, you need a bug net to catch critters after which you're given the option to bottle them

despite every later game giving Link the power to move his arms while holding a bottle

[civic hawk]

really...

welp, now my delicious milk is gone

[visual folio]

to be fair it probably is a lot easier to catch bees and fairies with a net than with a bottle

[civic hawk]

I'm not gonna say no because it's true but it's still annoying-ish that I could just... do it, and I can't

especially when even OOT link just bottles up stuff with no net

[visual folio]

yeah coming from all the 3D Zeldas, this felt like a gotcha

but since I dealt with it in LttP it didn't feel like LBW's fault

[civic hawk]

but it's not that big of a deal it's fine, I just don't know where the net is right now so.. I guess I'll get it later

[visual folio]

it's very easy to find in both games

[civic hawk]

I can excuse it in this game because a lot of stuff drops hearts anyways

[visual folio]

in fact in both games I talked to the net NPC before I had a bottle and they went "uh, you can't really do anything with a net and no bottle"

granted, playing LttP definitely gave me an advantage on this part

[civic hawk]

well... I guess I can't complain too much if the game tells you that

hah, knew there was something there

is this a giant... burger?

[visual folio]

it's not just me! #1067547311640678480 message

[civic hawk]

Oh my god that hit sound effect is terrifying

wait.... das it?

oh huh, okay, that was it

eh, honestly, don't really care that the bosses are pretty short so far, they're fun

I like it

[visual folio]

after last time, I'm just glad they erred on the easy side

[civic hawk]

Oh that's a FULL extra heart!

[visual folio]

in LttP this was the only boss where I resorted to save stating after every hit because it was so bad

[civic hawk]

heh, this franchise has a thing for symbols and objects of power

[visual folio]

normally I only save stated at the boss door so I didn't have to repeat the whole dungeon if I died

[civic hawk]

Pendant of Power get!

[visual folio]

huh, were you expecting only a piece / quarter?

[civic hawk]

I wasn't expecting only a piece I just thought it was but only because I kinda forgot that after each boss you get a full heart

[visual folio]

ah ok

[civic hawk]

was he so excited he did a sword twirl or was that a showcase of a new move I got?

[visual folio]

iirc every 2d and 3d zelda has done full hearts after bosses since... well, since LttP

or maybe Z2, I still know nothing about how Z2 worked

the sword twirl is part of his victory pose yeah

he did that in LttP too

[civic hawk]

Yeah no it's always been a thing so yeah that was just me being dum

that's cute

The birb was tweeting a lot when I got out the temple and stopped when I saved, I wonder if the bird does that whenever the game tries to tell you ''SAVE NOW BITCH ''

[visual folio]

I think they do that whenever you have significant progress to save?

still not super sure

[civic hawk]

Aaaalright, well, can't go here, and everything in Death Mt. is done so.... let's mosey!

[civic hawk]

I think so, either that or whenever it tells you to take a break, I'll keep an eye on that

[visual folio]

for comparison: https://youtu.be/7gmkeZyWkXM?t=37

[civic hawk]

I fucking hate these pokemon looking things in the mountain so annoying

Ahhh I see, yeah I knew I'd be missing a lot of references to alttp

[visual folio]

they are equally non-friends in both games

[civic hawk]

I think it'd be fine if there weren't gigantic lava boulders falling on top of my head every second

hhmmmmmmmmmm

I'll be back for you...

[visual folio]

just be glad you're getting the modern easy boulders

SNES/LttP boulders are fake 3D so they start at the top of the screen and just pick random directions to "bounce" down the screen regardless of the mountain's shape, and hurt you any time the sprites overlap, even if they'd logically be high above you, and even if you're on a ladder and can't avoid them

[civic hawk]

I like that despite the simple nature of combat it's actually quite involved, these bow knights and the stalfos always try to keep distance and you can't hit knights from the front, gotta either hit them from behind, the sides, or side-slash when facing them
It makes combat a lot more deliverate than random sword slashing!

[civic hawk]

that's dangerously close to a ''back in my day... '' /s

[visual folio]

playing these two games for the first time so close together has some weird side effects

I actually got used to the fake 3d boulders pretty quickly and was able to reliably dodge 90% of them

[civic hawk]

f...friend?

[visual folio]

it's just one or two ladder climbs that came down to luck

that one is friend

[civic hawk]

maybe more than a friend....

[visual folio]

interesting, I could never get side or behind attacks to work after they saw me, so my go-to strategy with the knights is to use a ranged weapon (especially boomerang since LttP gives you that super early and it stuns them)

[civic hawk]

Yeah no after they notice you you gotta juke them to get behind but that's not necessary, simply facing away so that they're to your sides and slashing will make the slash connect since you're not hitting directly in front of you but rather in a short arch

It's way easier than to have to juke every single enemy to get behind

A bow works too though

[visual folio]

ooooh, you're talking about turning Link so his slash's arc starts on the enemy body but not on the enemy weapon that would deflect it?

[civic hawk]

kiiind of?
imagine that boulder is a knight and he's currently facing you

if you do that where you kind of face away so they're facing towards your side and slash it will connect

[visual folio]

ironically this sounds more like how I fought the knights in LttP than how I've been doing it in LBW

[civic hawk]

like this

[visual folio]

in LttP both Link and the knights can only face four directions, so when I was facing a knight I'd often deliberately strafe a teensy bit to one side so that my sword arc would not hit the knight's weapon and the knight's weapon would not hit me right away

[civic hawk]

also I'm heading towards the zora region but I don't think I'm meant to go that way yet or at all but... hey whatevs, I'll check it out

[visual folio]

||that's exactly what I thought when I went there in LttP ||

[civic hawk]

yeah the four directions only definitely makes it harder but now you can face a bunch of directions so it's much easier but that's generally the gist of it

[visual folio]

for me 360 attacks actually made that strat not come naturally any more, boomerang-first feels better for me here

[civic hawk]

Sure, whatever works for you, if it works it works, the good thing is there's no single way to do it

''weird guy''

[visual folio]

especially with Ravio frontloading the items this time

interesting, the JP is more like "suspicious guy"

[civic hawk]

ah man what did this guy do...

oh boy

the zora domain is uh....

more like a zora chamber...

or cave

[visual folio]

oh right

there's another OoT/TP/BotW/TotK expectation that LttP kicked out for me

[civic hawk]

well now it's clear I gotta get the swimmy things before I do this entire quest

[visual folio]

90% of this world's sapients are Hylians, and the Zora get one river maybe, and that's it

[civic hawk]

Yyyep

Oh

well thanks for the tip

hmmmmm....should I get a potion...?

[visual folio]

what "cosas" exactly?

[civic hawk]

monster potion for damage or red potion for helth

[visual folio]

I still need to try out the one purple potion I have

I'm terrible at remembering to use consumables in games

[civic hawk]

She said ''Oh so the gem from the zora is gone? Well i don't care about that stuff, you should ask the wandering merchant of Kakariko about that sort of stuff!''

[visual folio]

aaaaah

[civic hawk]

purpl potion seems to be some sort of damage in a radius thing

or all enemies in the screen?

[visual folio]

of course, "those things" can have the "that sort of thing" nuance in Spanish just like it does in Japanese

aaaah ambulante means wandering, that makes sense

I should use "ambulate" more often in English

[civic hawk]

''bébela para curarte los arañazos que sufras'' lol

got me a red potion

Ah!!!

there was a damn knight inside of a bush!

[visual folio]

I was expecting "arañazo" to have something to do with spiders but nope

[visual folio]

oh they love to do that in LttP too

dark world bushes were ironically safer just because they aren't there to do that

I think Mega popped into my LttP stream once and went "why are you running away from the bushes"

[civic hawk]

[civic hawk]

well it just might, but the etimology of the word isn't really known
it's theorized ''arañar'' (scratch/claw at) may come from ''araña'' (spooder) and ''arar'' (plough), although it's more likely it actually comes from a possible term derived from ''uña'' (nail), ''aúñar'' which then turned into ''aruñar'' which is another term for arañar that is still used in castilian spanish

[visual folio]

is it weird that "aúñar" sounded like elvish to me

[civic hawk]

well it would be pretty ye olde spanish so not that far off

[visual folio]

welp, now I know more than three words with an ñ

[civic hawk]

''pezuña'' (hoof) similarly has nothing to do with a pez (fish) but rather comes from pedis (foot) which went from pesuña to pezuña

t'was a good idea to do a little sweep of the area before the next temple

hmmmm there's a bunch of chests around here

should check this area out a bit more

[visual folio]

ah, pedis for foot is easy for me to remember

and pezuña is just mandatory vocab for this server

[civic hawk]

just to be clear pedis is latin for foot

[visual folio]

蹄 (ひづめ) btw

[civic hawk]

hidzume

[visual folio]

got that one drilled into me by Umamusume

[civic hawk]

hmmmmm

I don't... think I can get that just yet

[visual folio]

||depending on what you rented from Ravio, you can||

[civic hawk]

not clicking just yet just in case

but before I go to the temple, I'll go visit ravioli now that I've mostly used the hammer for now

[visual folio]

that's only about this chest, just up to you whether you want to know or not

[civic hawk]

I'll sweep down the area near my house for any logs and see what other items I can get my paws on

If I can't get it by the time I get to the temple I'll read it

[visual folio]

hm, I've been calling them "pegs" in my head rather than "logs", but that's yet another habit carried over from LttP

https://cdn.mobygames.com/screenshots/15796655-the-legend-of-zelda-a-link-to-the-past-snes-death-mountain-cant-.png

at least to me these read as "pegs"

[civic hawk]

hmmmmmm......

that might be a more correct term I just say log because I'm more familiar with that word

[visual folio]

now that I'm consciously overthinking it, the LBW model does feel more "log"-y

[civic hawk]

but yeah, pegs (clavijas) is more correct

[visual folio]

I found at least one LttP guide using the term "stakes"

[civic hawk]

that one might not be quite as accurate...

clavijas mostly refers to little wood cylinders like handles or stuff used for carpentry

so calling it a tronco (log) feels more natural to me

[visual folio]

the grid-ness of the world probably encouraged my brain to jump to "peg"

to me that's usually a tiny cylindrical-ish piece of wood or plastic that's designed to slot into something else

not specifically for carpentry, it also includes things like the colored plastic pegs used in Battleship or Mastermind

[civic hawk]

Yeah that's what I was trying to say exactly

she told me to play her minigame involving getting all rupees in the area in a time limit and said there won't be any counters at all

[visual folio]

this minigame taught me that I am really bad at counting seconds

[civic hawk]

''If you don't talk to me before 30 seconds go by, I'll confiscate everything you got. Good luck! <3 ''

[visual folio]

also she gets confused if you don't collect any rupees

[civic hawk]

I lost!

''I don't like guys who don't do things smartly, so... I'm afraid there's no prize''

I was too early I guess

[visual folio]

shockingly, I also triggered this case

[civic hawk]

ah I have almost 2k rupees I can mess around with this for a bit

sure let's not pick up any rupees at all this time

[visual folio]

||I never found a piece of heart in there, but I did find a crab/maiamai||

[civic hawk]

that was sooooo worth it....

[visual folio]

there are not as many rupees in that area as I was expecting

[civic hawk]

🐝

[visual folio]

why did I never look at those walls

[civic hawk]

not a wole lot to see but I assume in almost every wall there will be something fun like that

you

[visual folio]

lol

[civic hawk]

the funny part is I was gonna write kisama but I got lazy

Hey!!

the weird guy!

he just runs off

Ohhh, haaah

of course that's how you do that

Oh!!

Well, that's mighty generous of this weird guy

[visual folio]

wat

I still don't have those!

[civic hawk]

oops