#Zelda Legend of Link The Legend of
visual folio
I am quite curious how you'd react to a lot of it
I guess the least spoilery thing worth knowing upfront is that most of the big differences from the game are in, naturally the first and last volumes, but also volumes 6-7
civic hawk
Whenever I eventually get to it I'll probably talk about it either here or in #1019699399946932284
You already know the one thing I know about the manga and what my opinion on that is
visual folio
ftr the manga earns it
unique dagger
how far did the manga series go
civic hawk
it's a good amount of volumes
visual folio
11 volumes, covers the whole storyline of the game (minus gameplay of course) plus some original material
civic hawk
Twilight Princess was the first time this specific little mangaka/mangaka group made a full story from the original material
They had done adaptations into manga before, but they were pretty short and not that much to write home about, the Twilight Princess manga has been received extremely well
unique dagger
oh i meant what game did they get up to
visual folio
btw I wrote a summary ^here of all the imo interesting differences between the TP game and manga
civic hawk
They had done adaptations of other Zeldas before including OOT, but TP is the latest one
Has been in publication since like 2019 I think
unique dagger
huh i thought they did a Skyward Sword manga
visual folio
oh, huh, I was not expecting a 2D hookshot
visual folio
hopefully it's less clunky than Super Metroid's grapple beam 
unique dagger
it is so fun to use
civic hawk
huh i thought they did a Skyward Sword manga
They did, they did a lot of Zelda titles into manga
but like I said all of them were relatively short and simple, the TP manga stepped it up a lot
it's basically a full story and work of its own
also since you're still getting through link to the past, I'll take today's short session to finish off a bunch of these heroic quests I've been collecting in TOTK
Once I'm done with those, I will officially have nothing left to do in the game, there's probably some quests and npcs I haven't found yet or something, but with 140+ hours into the game, I have pretty much done way more than I ever needed to do to consider this game fully completed
visual folio
ah, and this is why the dungeon map is an important item
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im rebuilding Lurelin right now
visual folio
I thought I was about to be stuck on this dungeon but nope this particular wall was not solid
visual folio
wtf
first try 
low heart noise low heart noise low heart noise
this damsel in distress looks extremely similar to the first one
visual folio
you're not wrong
unique dagger
this damsel in distress looks extremely similar to the first one
possibly because they are the same sprite but recoloured
visual folio
here's a good practice sentence for Nire
civic hawk
Bolson the gay certainly needs a lot of logs
The funny part is this reminds me that Bolson originally was going to resemble the carpenters from Ocarina of Time, his entire demeanor and design is entirely based on them who apparently on the Japanese version of OOT they were more overtly portrayed as gay with how they spoke using femenine speech and called Link a ''kawaii booya''
visual folio
see this is why I play games like this in the original
you never know what weird differences crop up
civic hawk
Yeah the carpenters in OOT were hard to localize as their representation is entirely based on how japanese media represented gay men
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visual folio
I wonder if they're actually different or if these crystals are just making them look blonde
unique dagger
Yeah the carpenters in OOT were hard to localize as their representation is enti...
damn good for them
civic hawk
Heyyy I was able to read 'soshite' without having to rely on the hiragana/katakana chart 
Am learnin! 
visual folio
ok, so I was wondering why damsel 1 called him Ganon but damsel 2 called him Ganondorf
but apparently the convention in this game is Ganondorf the Thief vs Dark Lord / Demon King Ganon, I guess the dorf is just a mere mortal thing
oh, that's why you call him Greedo
civic hawk
Oh wow I was able to figure out ''mitsuketa'' too
unique dagger
oh, that's why you call him Greedo
lol yes
visual folio
aaaaand timeline paradox achieved!
unique dagger
LttP reminds me of Star Wars in a strange way, im not entirely sure why though
visual folio
hm, I suppose it is a modern genre-defining mishmash of fantasy tropes, while Star Wars is more sci-fi tropes
unique dagger
yea
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i mean "may the way of the Hero lead to the Triforce" sounds like a "may the Force be with you" or maybe even "live long and prosper"
though actually i don't know what it says in Japanese
visual folio
it starts with ga
カガ
I suspect this font is attaching the nigori (two little strokes in the corner) separately to save font space, which is why they're perfectly vertical and kinda overlapping part of the ka shape
civic hawk
I was going to ask what that specific symbol was since the one before the name looks very similar and I was confused on whether I chose the right one or not
visual folio
so maybe its not as obvious as in a "proper" font that it's a ga
in general these old low-rez fonts tend to use a lot of horizontal and vertical lines in places where the written language would normally prefer slants and curves
civic hawk
man why does the katakana 'ka' looks so similar to the hiragana 'ga' 
civic hawk
Okay now the text recognized it as the name 'ganondorf' lol
'ganondorofu iu-to...'
yeah that's how I recognize katakana
''the pointy ones''
tozoku*
it wasn't complete
the thief ganondorf huh
visual folio
yup
civic hawk
this is starting to make sense now 
I like that ''the thief'' is made up of ''theft/stealing'' 盗 and ''foe/enemy'' 賊
visual folio
zoku in particular is very easy to remember once you've seen a few of the other words it's in
海賊☆【かいぞくkaizoku】
noun / ~の noun: pirate; sea robber
lean pike
what are you playing, ixrec?
visual folio
Link to the Past / Kamigami no Triforce?
civic hawk
Oh yeah I know kaizoku from Marine 
lean pike
no triforce? just like in real life
civic hawk
Hololive no sankise, kaizoku dan senchou no, houshou marine desuuu
lean pike
I never played link to the past
visual folio
it's funny how before I play a game I hear about how everyone except me has played it a hundred times, and then only after I start do all of the "oh I never played that"s start 
civic hawk
but apparently the convention in this game is Ganondorf the Thief vs Dark Lord /...
そして、再び聖地をみつけたのが、ガノンドロフ言う盗賊だのよ。
oh whoops wrong screencap
I guess I could do that one too
civic hawk
''and then, it was a bandit/thief named Ganondorf who found the holy grounds/sanctuary again''
visual folio
> そして、再び聖地をみつけたのが、ガノンドロフ言う盗賊だのよ。
technically と言う and だったのよ but yeah that's all the important words
visual folio
I figured 聖地 in particular is a good vocab word to know, you see 聖 holy and 地 land in a million words especially in fiction like this
civic hawk
そして、再び聖地をみつけたのが、ガノンドロフと言う盗賊だったのよ。
oh wow those little fixes changed so much that the DeepL translation became much clearer:
And it was a bandit named Ganondorf who found the sanctuary again.
civic hawk
but apparently the convention in this game is Ganondorf the Thief vs Dark Lord /...
also while I do this one I'll just say yes you're correct
visual folio
iirc the TP manga even called the triforce the 聖三角 holy triangle
civic hawk
Ganondorf is the Gerudo King/King of the Thieves/Bandits
Ganon is usually described with the more classic term Demon King/Mao 魔王
visual folio
also my ocarina turned a bird-shaped weather vane into a real bird
not sure what to do with that
visual folio
...wait
I could've just walked up to this guy and bought a bottle
how many hours ago 
unique dagger
not sure what to do with that
fast travel
visual folio
huh
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uh, the one after Ganon?
civic hawk
Uhhh I think so, the one after the second 'Ganon' which looks like a bunch of vertical sticks
I can't figure it out at all
visual folio
fair, that one doesn't survive pixelation very well
it's 倒せる
also a good vocab word actually
civic hawk
Ooohh wow, I actually did get that kanji but since it didn't look anything like the pixelated one I thought ''this can't be right''
Especially since the kanji by itself gave me the translation of 'reversed' 'upside down' and I thought ehh I don't think that's right but apparently all together it's ''can defeat/beat''
yeah these pixelations aren't great for some kanji 
visual folio
yup
civic hawk
Inoritsute imasu 
🙏
聖地ガノンドロフ。。。いいえ、開の魔王ガノンを倒せるのはあなただけ。。。祈つています。
'The holy land of Ganondorf.... No, only you can defeat the demon king. I'm praying for you.'
visual folio
祈っています inotteimasu
little tsu, the ri isn't there since it's part of the verb ending being conjugated
wait
that's touzoku ganondorf not seichi lol
civic hawk
Oh that makes more sense, I think I accidentally wrote the entire thing and pressed space for the japanese text to autocomplete
visual folio
and 闇 yami / darkness instead of 開 open (those are probably two of the most common kanji with that radical, I'm sure I made this mistake once)
civic hawk
and it gave me a completely different thing
I was paying so much attention to finding the other stuff that I didn't even think of that not making sense
Ah that one too gave me issues
I was wondering since it didn't seem to make much sense
盗賊ガノンドロフ。。。いいえ、闇の魔王ガノンを倒せるのはあなただけ。。。祈っています。
there we go
unique dagger
Yeah the carpenters in OOT were hard to localize as their representation is enti...
oh i just realised they continued this trend in BotW/TotK with Bolson
visual folio
yep that looks right
civic hawk
''The Thief Ganondorf... no, only you can defeat the Demon King of Darkness/Dark Lord Ganon. I'm praying for you.''
civic hawk
oh i just realised they continued this trend in BotW/TotK with Bolson
The funny part is this reminds me that Bolson originally was going to resemble the carpenters from Ocarina of Time, his entire demeanor and design is entirely based on them who apparently on the Japanese version of OOT they were more overtly portrayed as gay with how they spoke using femenine speech and called Link a ''kawaii booya''
Well that was fun
Good thing I'm just practicing, since a lot of times I end up writing nonsense
visual folio
great, one of the mt hebra boulders got upset that I dodged it and decided to bounce horizontally into me
civic hawk
To be fair I'm trying to read kanji from a super pixelated version of the symbols so I'll cut myself some slack 
visual folio
yeah, kanji in these fonts are harder than they'd normally be
civic hawk
I think I remember you mentioning how good of a job they usually do at adapting such complex characters into as little information as possible and with limited visuals
but I guess some of them don't quite make it
unique dagger
Lurelin Village is rebuilt 
visual folio
when you have a full vocabulary, these pixelations are good enough that it's "obvious" which one was intended
but it is a bit unfair on a novice lol
civic hawk
Yeah that too, I mean I even confuse some katakana with hiragana when I try to re-write these myself
The biggest thing I managed to do was successfully read and understand ''soshite''
I've seen the ''shi'' symbol so much and I recognized the ''te'' symbol that it just clicked, and I heard the word ''soshite'' so much that I didn't even need to 'translate' it in my head, I just knew what it meant
Oh and I also recognized the ''imasu'' at the end too
unique dagger
oh
i thought it would be like how a bird will swallow a stone to mash up food in it's stomach
but i guess Like Likes have teeth so they don't need thay
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i hate seeing the Great Deku Tree all sad and gloomed up :(
hmm what outfit should i pull the Master Sword in
so fucking magical
glad isle
Finished with ||the wind temple, just gotta watch the plot cutscenes but I'll do that in bed||
radiant belfry
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HOWS THE PRESIDENT STANDING
civic hawk
Epona is looking a lil bit different in this game
visual folio
modern "quest log" systems have spoiled me
it is so hard to decide where to go now that I've booted up LttP
unique dagger
which dungeons have you completed
visual folio
dark temple and dark swamp
but don't give it away yet, I'm still looking around
AAAAAAAA I AM AN IDIOT
bonk
let's do this well
...or maybe not
or maybe yes???
ah, all magic costs are halved, neat
guess that wasn't exactly main quest progress
unique dagger
i believe you should be able to temper your sword now
visual folio
I still have no clues as to where dwarfbro is though
(the well being right here was the closest thing I had to an idea)
pffff
good thing I decided to give Kakariko another once-over, I just figured out the tavern had a back door
unique dagger
here is a hint ||dwarf friend is in the Dark World||
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lol
visual folio
unrelated but, every time I go into one of these old school 2D Zelda shops, it makes me think of modern roguelites
unique dagger
hehe yeah
visual folio
...and the dude with 6 beds just told me the ocarina does fast travel
so I would've gotten that eventually
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that did absolutely nothing
I wasn't crazy!
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what !
visual folio
oh no, she wants to be a chicken again but the powder doesn't work in reverse 
wet forge
That moment when your fursona is a chicken
And you accidentally get to live your dreams, albeit briefly
visual folio
Cap did you genuinely not know about this chicken lady
visual folio
if she does I didn't figure it out
tried every magic doohickey in my inventory, can't even talk to her again
anyway found a piece of heart in the old prison basement
unique dagger
pronably just a silly easteregg
wet forge
You’re a silly easter egg
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unrelated
I finally realized that this blob of pixels in the middle of the wanted posters/signs is supposed to be my face
unique dagger
You’re a silly easter egg
unique dagger
I _finally_ realized that this blob of pixels in the middle of the wanted poster...
yeah it's your wanted poster
bright girder
ye use the net
visual folio
oh, right, the net 
unique dagger
you can reflect Aganihms balls back at him with the net
visual folio
you didn't give me this the last time I came here!?
visual folio
he didn't!
I can only assume there's some requirement to have progressed past a certain point in the game before he'll trust you with it
visual folio
I know I talked to this kid the first time I ever came to Kakariko so it's not my fault
visual folio
there you go
civic hawk
modern "quest log" systems have spoiled me
Fromsoft players: It's not fun if you're not constantly wondering where the fuck you need to go next
Has to be one of the few adventure rpg ish type games that to this day refuse to add a quest log or any log of any kind 
civic hawk
I _finally_ realized that this blob of pixels in the middle of the wanted poster...
Why did they give him the Pinocchio nose he can poke out Ganons eye with that
unique dagger
quest logs are. a god send
civic hawk
I agree that minimaps kinda suck though
unique dagger
there's been a minimap since Zelda I though
visual folio
second row of hearts woo
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woo
wait ix important question
do you like Light World dungeon music or Dark World dungeon music more
visual folio
visual folio
I think I remember the light and dark overworld themes
but the dungeon themes I just don't remember right now
unique dagger
ok Light World is like "dodododododdodo doooo dododdododdododo doo" and Dark World is like "dadadadadaddaadadaddadadadaadadadadadadadada"
bright girder
and the dungeon music is duruuduru duru duru duu
bright girder
?? nice trolling
unique dagger
im not trolling
visual folio
so is the spring of happiness a total scam
bright girder
you need to put in 100 total
visual folio
ok it is one of those things
aaah the teleporting water vortexes are a thing in the dark world too
but they can't get me anywhere new either, dang
dang, fast travel bird doesn't support the lost woods
yeah I think I'm stuck again
aaah there's a portal in the lost woods behind a hammer peg
just my luck that the only portal I did find on my own revealed nothing I couldn't already reach from the ziggurat
ah-ha
oh, it just won't let me warp
civic hawk
there's been a minimap since Zelda I though
it's not really about minimaps being a ''new'' addition or not it's mostly just disliking them when a map is already a thing in the game since it just kind of inherently makes the player keep looking at the minimap and check all those icons and markers rather than actually you know, paying attention at the game 
I remember Ocarina of Time 3DS for example has a super redundant 'minimap' on the lower screen that isn't even the map of the area you're in that shows you all the terrain and ''walls'' of the area like when you're in a town it just shows you the big map that roughly tells you what region you're in which is super useless
It's not a big deal though, but I do kinda agree with some opinions about minimaps in these types of open world adventure games
visual folio
I just bought a red shield and I have no idea what it does 
visual folio
the minimap thing is complicated and depends very heavily on the game imo
the frequent complaint that open world games fall into a "stare at dots on the minimap" routine is very real, but often a symptom of much deeper issues, like not being the kind of game that should've ever been an open world in the first place
civic hawk
That's not untrue, but the minimap is also a problem into itself, especially when it leads to the game design being affected by having the player rely so much on the minimap's extreme usefulness to find stuff that you don't make the world itself engaging or have the player actually pay attention to the world
BOTW and TOTK don't have this problem that much because there's really not a whole lot of icon hunting and even then most of the icons on your map will either be the couple of settlements and towns and the shrines and that's about it unless you wanna fill the map with icons for whatever purpose
The map and the design of the games aren't as affected by the minimap as other games, a lot of people mention Witcher 3 when it comes to this specific conversation I've noticed but I haven't played Witcher 3 so I can't comment on that
visual folio
yeah, Razbuten's video on minimaps is all about Witcher 3 as the bad example
although that's a perfect example of my own point; Witcher 3 is great when you're in the quests, but running to each waypoint is just busy work in between the real content
I don't even remember if Witcher 2 had a minimap, but it certainly didn't have problems with overrelying on it
unique dagger
i completely forgot Witcher 3 had a minimap
civic hawk
I don't even remember if Witcher 2 had a minimap, but it certainly didn't have p...
Even Witcher 1 had a minimap, but I don't remember relying on it that much, if at all really
Also unrelated but here's one thing that I hate about BOTW/TOTK:
so many people being like ''oh hey you look a lot like the hero of legend. .....too bad you're not lol shortie'' / ''hey that looks so much like the master sword! .... even though it isn't of course''
I talked to a group of Gerudo girls at one stable and they were all talking about Link and I even approached with the master sword to make sure they knew I was the guy
They recognized me and the sword but they were like ''yeah right this skinny short guy could never be the hero!''
0/10 game
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i think it's funny
visual folio
it is funny
civic hawk
what the
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epic Durania mask
civic hawk
question since any moment now I'm gonna go to the endgame of.. well the game
do you get significant resources or weapons on the way to the final fight or should I be farming high level weapons like bows right now before going?
visual folio
mostly no; the best resources you can get on the way still require killing stuff that (at least for me) requires decent equipment ||iirc a silver lynel, silver lizalfos/moblins/etc, and a gloom hands; that lynel is especially popular in speedruns||, and there won't be a ton of it
best moment of my final boss approach
civic hawk
ahhh well... in that case I might need to look up where I can find some good bows before I go there
noice I got all of em now
visual folio
did you not leave Hyrule Castle with a pile of gloom bows?
civic hawk
oh I also need to drop these at my house, no way in hell I'm gonna use them lol
civic hawk
did you not leave Hyrule Castle with a pile of gloom bows?
yeah I did
.... like 20 hours back from where I currently am in the game
unique dagger
i have 5 demon kings bows which is epic except for when i get gloomed
visual folio
I hoarded those bows for most of the rest of the game since I kept getting good enough bows from other sources and rarely found anything where max arrow damage mattered to me
civic hawk
I definitely need as big arrow damage as I can get so I'm probably gonna need to spend some time either looking around for bows or trying to see if I can get some demon king bows from gloom hands
Oh!!
Huh!
Alright then, I'll take it...
unique dagger
whoa !
civic hawk
aaand this is what I had come here for, alright let's mosey
trying to clean up everything left before finishing
civic hawk
niceu
alright so apparently there's some good bows around the deep Akkala and Eldin regions 
I'll go take a look around there and go finish the game
visual folio
well you're definitely more prepped than I am
civic hawk
I am extremely over prepared even though I still have overall less hours put into the game than you, I have like around 140~ I remember you had at least 200 hours
visual folio
my Switch claimed I had over 200
maybe time left running while I got interrupted by stuff added up faster than I thought
or... are you following any walkthroughs?
bright girder
I was on 120 when I had finished every shrine and the side adventures + main quests without any walkthrough, 200 is definitely on the longer side
civic hawk
Ehhh I'm not really following any walkthroughs at all unless you consider the fact that I looked up the locations of the old map chests a walkthrough
I've just kinda... binged all that there was left to do in these last couple of days really, all the rest of the time I was slowly getting through quests and fucking around
'sploring and stuff
visual folio
hm, did you get all the pirate treasure stuff?
that might be the biggest chunk of quests that I technically started, but never figured out more than a few riddles and just lost interest
civic hawk
I'm not sure, that's not ringing a bell right now I don't remember doing any pirate treasure quest I think
I did pirate related quests but not pirate treasure
visual folio
uh that guy who keeps putting all the fancy clothes in chests in tents in caves
and the one cave with a hundred troll chests containing green rupees
civic hawk
Oh yeah I did that a long time ago already
It was one of the first full armor sets I got
....okay... something weird I just noticed, Link has his mouth open for some reason
Ooooh I actually should go build Revali's bow, I'm not using Urbosa's shield and scimitar or Mipha's spear but I'm definitely using Revali's bow I'll go do that after I farm one or two good bows
Apparently according to some lists, the bow I got earlier in that screencap is one of the best base bows 
too bad I'm not gonna use it because || it's Twilight Princess Zelda's bow ||
too precious to risk breaking
visual folio
I don't even know what half these weapons are so you're doing fine
wet compass
too bad I'm not gonna use it because || it's Twilight Princess Zelda's bow ||
the ||unique weapons from the depths|| can be bought at thingy statues
wet compass
oh
unique dagger
i believe that bow can still be bought at the poe statues
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random youtube comment "fun fact: in JP LttP the mountain was 'hebra', only in the dark world was it death mountain"
I've been wondering why Zelda told me to come find her in Death Mountain when there is no Death Mountain in this game
civic hawk
Apparently in the JP version it was labeled as 'death mountain' on the credits 
Alright, I managed to find some good enough bows and I even acquired a new zonnan horn I didn't have, let's do this
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wait wait what
so I walk into the dark lost woods
I see a hole that looks like it might drop me into a cave, so I go down there
and one room over I find a dungeon compass???
now I have the map
and here I was thinking "maybe I'll find the dungeon entrance before bed"
there we go, a third of the dungeon explored and I finally found the entrance
and it's not at all where the map marker led me to believe
unique dagger
the whole forest is the dungeon :3
visual folio
(which I get is completely correct because it's marking the crystal, not the dungeon entrance, and this dungeon is actually correlated with the whole forest instead of one tiny building)
civic hawk
oh! already here...? I thought I'd have to go through a bunch of monster fights to get to Ganon
visual folio
but yeah, exploring is fun
civic hawk
and it's not at all where the map marker led me to believe <:rdwut:3997250742040...
Close enough
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I just wish there had been a single hint anywhere in the game of the lost woods portal that is apparently the only way to reach this half of the map
visual folio
^
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||this does kind of make a paradox now but it's cool so whatevs||
civic hawk
I want to think if Zelda and Link had seen that in the beginning Zelda would've been like
''.... yeah maybe let's leave that alone''
visual folio
derp, I said "the" dungeon entrance, but this dungeon obeys none of the rules
civic hawk
||this does kind of make a paradox now but it's cool so whatevs||
how so?
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||wait never mind, it would have made one had Zelda seen the last of the mural, but she didn't so it's kosher||
visual folio
derp, I said "the" dungeon entrance, but this dungeon obeys none of the rules <:...
ah-ha, this means I sort of get mid-dungeon checkpoints! 
oh that's what the hand does
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>saving....
<:ponee:925951532585861150>
this is where i started to get really sweaty palms lol
visual folio
oh no, not this again
unique dagger
lol
i do love how LttP's form in the Dark World is a pink bunny rabbit
iirc it's supposed to symbolise his innocence or something
visual folio
you'd think dying would slow the hand down a little
civic hawk
alright nevermind, now here we go gang
fucking having me jump down so many holes
visual folio
this is the last one we promise
civic hawk
i do love how LttP's form in the Dark World is a pink bunny rabbit
Oooooohhhhhhh that actually explains something that comes up in a later game, makes sense
Ixrec will probably notice it once he gets to that game
unique dagger
nap room idk
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fun fact: ||if you skipped any of the main quests, then their bosses appear here for real (not just in the cutscene), up to a 5 boss rush (4 temples + phantom ganons)||
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||oh like BotW ?||
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ruby on a stick getto
well this doesn't look freaky at all
ok that's enough for tonight
civic hawk
alrighty, now for real for the actual last time, here we go gang
visual folio
I can't seem to find the entrance to the final third of the dungeon but I am missing a room still in the first third so I just let myself die inside the dungeon to make a good save state
civic hawk
swole
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such a good fight
civic hawk
yeeeeaahh booooiiii
so glad I'm wearing this outfit
visual folio
you've used flurry rush before, riiiiiight?
civic hawk
..... still, seriously, why the katana?
Oof, okay, wait for my turn to attack, got it 
damn
H-hayai!!! 
visual folio
El Rey Demonio, nice
civic hawk
this is a proper stand off right here sheesh
...did I get him?
oooohh shit okay
OH SHIT, OKAY!
visual folio
not that I likely ever will replay TotK, but, if I did, trying this whole final boss fight series with zero allies would be on my shortlist
civic hawk
this is so chaotic with all of them running around 
leave me alone guys, we're having a moment!!!
also wow I actually am beating the shit out of him
I guess I did over prepare for this
Mineru just slapping him on the face as we're staring each other down
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even I was overprepared enough that iirc I didn't apply any buffs
civic hawk
''kakatte koi !''
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his whole stoic samurai schtick is so cool
civic hawk
OOOH FUCK
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and after this phase (don't click yet) ||it is so satisfying to see him discard that facade completely and throw a tantrum when he realizes we're actually winning ||
civic hawk
yabe I almost instinctively read that
I like that || he uses a bunch of different weapons and he even uses my own moves ||
this is the type of 1 on 1 fight that a lot of us character action players praise like the pinnacle of boss fights
OOOHHH FUCK
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I was wondering why there's a message about horses there but no caballero / horseman means knight, it's talking about your knight's shield, duh
civic hawk
he just fucking || dodged me right after I dodged HIM ||
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supple quarry
civic hawk
I was wondering why there's a message about horses there but no caballero / hors...
ye Caballero means Knight, a Horseman is a Jinete (Horseman, Rider, Jockey)
visual folio
this has the funny effect that in the speedrun you just charge straight at him because provoking him to dodge is faster than you dodging first
civic hawk
oh yeah that actually works better lol
....wait....
is he.... is he || PERMANENTLY taking away my hearts...? ||
visual folio
:flutternodevenharder:
half the theme of this fight is he just breaks all the rules because demon king scary
civic hawk
the ridiculous health bar going far longer than any other health bar would usually go kinda hits that point across your face from the get go like Ganondorf is hitting his huge demon king hammer on my head right now
ughhh I can't get the timing of his attacks down at all
I play Metal Gear Rising and Devil May Cry on DMD how am I having trouble with this of all things
GOTTEM
scrub 
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now that is a summary I haven't heard before
civic hawk
look at this goofy idiot
OOOH SHIT || GF ASSIST ||
Yeeeaaahh!!!
oh that's a sick shot
civic hawk
oh shit this is some Shadow of the Colossus type shit going on right now
civic hawk
in fact there you are in the logs spoiling yourself for this shot <:ppenk:681838...
the funniest part is, I legitimately don't even remember that
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context matters
civic hawk
damn they're even giving me a cinematic camera and everything
alright I gotta figure out what I gotta do now
oh fuck I'm playing Touhou now...
hahah it's adorable that || Zelda follows me around and picks me up after I fall down ||
kinda sucks that || Link doesn't get a cool dragon form though... ||
Oh wait I do have the furry set though...
yeeeeeeaahhh 
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such a good fight
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still haven't used those yellow stamina circles I see
civic hawk
dang
alright enough of the fursuit now I'll change back before I get the final cutscene
sayonara
Do it now!!!
Finish the mission, Link!
WOAH
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BWAAAAAAAM
civic hawk
oh?
yeeeaaaahhh!!!
|| forbidden and irreversible spell my ass ||
... why am I shirtless-- OH SHIT
|| man it's a good thing that water is totally an amazing surface to cushion a fall from great heights ||
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Ixrec — 07/13/2023 7:25 PM
at least one TotK speedrunner labels the final split "Hand Holding"
civic hawk
> Ixrec — 07/13/2023 7:25 PM
> at least one TotK speedrunner labels the final sp...
that entire last section was very reminiscent of usual traditional Zelda which was kinda nice, what with the super cinematic 'scripted' events and especially that 
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yeah, a big cinematic finale kinda has to be planned out on some level
one of my favorite parts of the current any% route is 3-cycling the dragon without a paraglider; that involves some seriously mad zonai wing skills
civic hawk
I like that each theme is distinctly different for each region 
is nice
despite being part of the same theme I'm assuming
why does that look so intimate
oooh?
yaaay
yatta
alrighty, so that's done
supple quarry
GG
visual folio
that's freakier than I was expecting
civic hawk
I thought you were done for tonight
visual folio
so did I
civic hawk
and after this phase (don't click yet) ||it is so satisfying to see him discard ...
to be fair imagine being the baddest motherfucker around for 10k years, literally be a Demon King
and then some random 4'11 blonde femboy smacks you around
I'd be pissed too
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mothra killed me instantly
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makes sense, it's kinda designed to be unintuitive
so far it's one of my favorites though
civic hawk
How long are those dungeons roughly? The game seems longer than I thought
visual folio
looks like I spent ~40 minutes on this dungeon before taking a break, and now it's been maybe another ~20
visual folio
oh boy this boss is a bit nuts
I feel like I cheesed it by using the item the dungeon gave me but this also feels like a cheese on cheese kind of fight
civic hawk
You think you cheesed by using the tools the game gave you?
visual folio
I mean, cheese has always been a type of that lol
I was expecting the "prophecy" to be a little more helpfully specific than when a bad guy gets the Triforce a hero will show up but sure that tracks
civic hawk
Yeah not quite there yet in terms of storytelling I guess
Seeing as I have my life back again now that I finished TOTK I may as well try to translate any of the text you send this session
visual folio
oh, well here's another random one then
I still haven't found dwarf 2 
yeah definitely stopping there for tonight, I'm once again out of ideas on how to reach a dungeon or progress any sidequest
civic hawk
oh, well here's another random one then
ゆくえ知れずのあいぼうが帰ってくりやあ、あんたの到もきたえてやれんだがねえ。。。
I'm sure I got something wrong though....
glad isle
Bleh, I hate it when I find a cache of zonai things and my brain just shuts off on what to do with them
supple quarry
I like to glue rockets and springs to shields
wet compass
OH SHIT, OKAY!
This was probably my fave part of that final fight
This section was genuinely so good to play
glad isle
I can't decide what to explore next aaa
civic hawk
Aaaalrighty, not gonna start playing this now obviously but glad to know it works great with only very minor possible audiovisual glitches/hiccups here and there 
wet compass
Great game
visual folio
> ゆくえ知れずのあいぼうが帰ってくりやあ、あんたの到もきたえてやれんだがねえ。。。
<:ppinkiethonkers:1116739552342708364...
りやあ -> りゃあ and 到 -> 剣
but can you tell what it means?
I am convinced this guy's important but there's no way to get to him
...oh come on, you just pull on the giant pitchfork and it disintegrates somehow?
some of these necessary progression steps are squarely in the "rub every button and item on every square of the map" category
huh, this dungeon gave me the big key before a single small key
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this feels like a trap
Powerful Glove getto
...apparently you aren't allowed to walk through some doors while carrying an object 
oh, there is a way to throw bombs in this game... and they work on this cracked floor but not the previous 10 identical cracked floors
the number of progression-blocking guide-dang-its has really skyrocketed since dark temple
good boss fight though
I knew it! the frog was the other blacksmith
now the master sword is orange apparently
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found the dark desert (dark swamp? swamp 2? western swamp?) and dungeon entrance all on my own; I happened to have already found the spell I needed for it, but even if I hadn't there were solid clues for it
unique dagger
now the master sword is orange apparently
hooray !
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still wondering why that one gravestone was unpushable though
especially after the fortuneteller brought it up
unique dagger
Doomguy approved
https://vxtwitter.com/constellor/status/1684091086011248640?s=46
wet compass
Omg I love it lol
wet forge
||Zelda: “Perfect.” shoves sword into bunny’s skull||
wet compass
civic hawk
now the master sword is orange apparently
The forbidden popsicle
civic hawk
りやあ -> りゃあ and 到 -> 剣
Agh I knew I had done something wrong
civic hawk
but can you tell what it _means_?
I kinda picked up something about someone being lost/coming back home but not the whole thing especially with my hiccups in the text there
visual folio
"If only my partner of unknowable whereabouts would come home, I would be be able to strengthen your sword too, but..."
to be a tad overly literal for pedagogical purposes
civic hawk
Yeah, I think the first part I roughly got right despite that little hiccup (seriously those small versions of already existing characters are so annoying ) but the second part without the very important 'ken' it kinda stopped making sense
civic hawk
I gotta pay more attention when I try to draw the kanjis
visual folio
it'll probably be a lot more fair when we get to LBW and have modern resolutions
civic hawk
Yeah that's already like, over 2 decades after this game
Luckily they also have LBW in american spanish! 
awesome
It's usually pretty hard/annoying for latin americans to play games in spanish mostly because it wasn't until pretty recently that games started including latin american spanish text translations and even voice dubs rather than only having the option of european spanish
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I've also heard games were (are they still?) absurdly expensive in many parts of latin america, to the point of piracy being effectively mandatory
ok done with work crisis, time to do the swamp of mystery(???) dungeon
speaking of modern advancements: telling me what things are called would be nice
uh, shouldn't you be in Final Fantasy
unique dagger
Wizzrobes !
visual folio
oh that's what they used to look like
unique dagger
yes they used to look like farmers instead of KKK members
wet forge
.addquote
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I can't tell if I'm missing a key item for this dungeon
civic hawk
I've also heard games were (are they still?) absurdly expensive in many parts of...
Yeah, it depends of course since there's a shitload of countries in this region and not one has the exact same situation and things are definitely getting a lot more accessible since even as little as 10 years ago which is part of the reason why piracy is so huge in here, but for example a PS5 digital edition which, from what I can read in PS's website, is $399 USD, in here it can go anywhere from something like $519 USD ($19,664 UYU) to $824 USD ($31,220 UYU)
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never mind I just found a key
civic hawk
Brasil was notorious back when the PS4 came out because due to such heavy taxes and fees to import it to the country the base price of $400 went all the way up to $1845
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Link's feet are in intense pain now but I got a second key
there's gotta be a spike-proofing item somewhere in this game
why would you do this
I'm going to assume it's a good thing that the entire screen is rumbling for several seconds because I lit all the braziers in two different rooms
victory jingle
yes it's a good thing
"Link, this is Sahasrahla. Four lights will open the way forward."
...thanks, I guess
take that tiny gap in the floor I probably could jump over in real life
lol, now I find the dungeon map
a... what?
well this is odd
visual folio
considering the damage I just took, I think you've mixed it up with something else
this spawns a block apparently
supple quarry
You can place blocks on buttons
visual folio
ok the block despawns if I go too far away from it
but yes I believe this is the first button in the game that must remain pressed and doesn't come with a nearby pushable object
civic hawk
Ahh the 'good' old times of having an MP bar
It took them until Skyward Sword to get rid of that
visual folio
I'm glad we're past that lol
visual folio
stamina is a good resource since it prevents you from holding sprint the entire effing game like in many games which have the option, and as a resource it just recharges on its own so it's never a blocker (except in the sense of a really tall wall being a blocker, like it should be)
visual folio
the magic bar is ungreat because you need to spend magic to do useful stuff, but when you run out (and don't have a green/blue potion) you're just kinda stuck
oh
ok this must be a detail I didn't get from the Skyward videos I watched
civic hawk
Unless you experienced what it is you probably won't get it
visual folio
the upside of dying and retracing your steps through half a dungeon
can I hookshot that?
yes!
ah that was the last small key
oh it's just a room full of rupees, and I'm maxed out already
so you don't need to find every key in this dungeon, I wonder how many other dungeons have a spare
I don't know how this thing works bioloigically, but clearly it needs to die
ugh not this BS lightning attack again
unique dagger
the designers really liked Return of the Jedi
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wait
is the strat for this really to stand perfectly still and mash attack 
wow, even the lightning stopped hitting me when I just didn't move
welp, if it works
hm, there's turtle rock again
is that part of death mountain or a place on the way to death mountain or what
I guess now I should look around Lake Hylia again, light and dark
I don't know a specific way to get into that dungeon, but the last time I checked was maybe 4 dungeons ago and there's only 2 left
civic hawk
Mmmmm I think you have one more left
visual folio
finally got around to bottling some fairies
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Mmmmm I think you have one more left
I was going by what the map says
and this is probably leaving out Ganon's Haunted Mansion of Ultimate Destiny or whatever it's called this time
...oh, that's how I get in
so that's at least 2 dungeons gated on dark rocks
unique dagger
i can tel you where a bottle is if you want
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civic hawk
I was going by what the map says
Oh you can do them in any order?
unique dagger
yeah but i want you to see my favourite location in the game
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but 5 and 6 are both blocked on dark rock pickups, which requires the Powerful Glove inside 4
and I still have no idea how 7 works but I haven't done a hebra sweep in ages
atm I'm more interested in that gravestone
civic hawk
I see I see
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penguins killed me
these guys are not as intimidating as their Twilight Princess versions
civic hawk
...huh... I wonder if you could theoretically go straight to the ''final'' dungeon without having to do the Ice Temple
civic hawk
these guys are not as intimidating as their Twilight Princess versions <:rdsnrk:...
it's funny how the stalfos from zelda 1 and 2 look more threatening than the adorable lttp stalfos
visual folio
there's probably another twenty random things on the overworld I've missed too
civic hawk
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I keep finding more heart pieces when I re-check places I've been before
visual folio
I think it's exactly half
civic hawk
Oh yeah it is
Well you almost have a full second row of hearts, even better
I wonder if they actually made side quests and collecting these types of things a bit more intuitive and a bit clearer for the player as opposed to Zelda 1's extreme and ruthless vagueness about anything
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oh yeah, if half of what I've seen about Z1 is true, LttP is lightyears ahead on intuitiveness
I do still have a list of annoyances that really needed more hinting, but like every other Zelda I've played it's a minority of the stuff in the game, nowhere near enough to ruin the experience (at most maybe one dungeon)
civic hawk
Remember how you mentioned having issues with Dark Souls before with stuff like getting lost or not being very clear where progress is meant to be?
Zelda 1 is kind of like that but even worse and with every single thing not just progress
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the specific one I keep hearing is zero indication of which wall tile or bush tile to try destroying
while LttP uses a different wall texture
civic hawk
I'm sure a lot of hardcore fans would see stuff like that as handholding the player or handing the answer to you, I know because that's what a lot of Fromsoft fans told me once when I complained about similar stuff in Dark Souls
but yeah, that simple change already makes things so much better than just magically figuring out where this one specific tile can break on the screen
and yeah despite being better than zelda 1 in some regards it's still a 1991 game so I'm sure it has its quirks
visual folio
yep, with the benefits of save states and a walkthrough for emergencies it's a pretty great experience
civic hawk
I wonder what your opinion with ALBW will be like, I still don't know much about that game asides from unfortunately some spoiler stuff that I had been exposed to years ago, but not much from the game itself and I'm assuming that it's gonna have a 'modern' 2D gameplay style so I wonder if you'll find it even better, I'm going into that game pretty much blind but you're gonna go into it with the lttp experience fresh in mind so you'll probably be able to notice the differences and improvements if there are any
and any callbacks or references too of course
civic hawk
To be fair Tunic is a lot more modern than ALBW but I haven't played Tunic so I can't comment much on that game
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the main thing that I'm alluding to here is, aside from being an excellent Soulslike Zeldalike whatever, Tunic goes all-in on the idea that you know absolutely nothing at the start and have to figure out everything as you go along, like Z1, but with proper clues instead of silly pixel hunts
(I'm still mad I didn't solve the true ending puzzle on my own, it was 100% fair and I was so close)
ah there's the map
once again explored 2/3rds of the dungeon before finding the map
civic hawk
Ahhhh, well in that case yeah you'll have at least 1 more game than me under your belt to compare Tunic to, although I don't know how much lttp and albw go in on the idea of figuring out stuff on your own, I want to say alttp already was trying the more story driven -ish approach and adding a bit more dialogue and lore and especially a bit more direction overall
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how am I not dead yet, I've been on low heart noise for this whole conversation lol
yeah LttP definitely made the right call putting main quest goals on the map
even a suggested order for the dark world crystals
civic hawk
being near-death buffs your stats and focus /s
Yeah, Z1 did not have that
OOT went with that even further by having you pretty much do exactly as the game tells you to do in the order the game tells you to do
(Something that Majora's Mask didn't do and it ends up feeling more like alttp with a nice blend of player freedom and a clear ''path'')
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although my memory of OoT is needing a walkthrough seemingly every time I set foot outside a dungeon
I wonder if I'd do better at it (or MM) today
so far in LttP there've really only been 4 wtfs
civic hawk
it's okay
I know a lot of people never used a guide for Majora's Mask and are surprised to find out so many other people find it basically impossible without a guide
visual folio
it still baffles me whenever people claim to have not used a walkthrough for games like that
aaaaaah dammit I forgot to fall through a different hole to get to the big chest
loop of shame time
civic hawk
civic hawk
it still baffles me whenever people claim to have not used a walkthrough for gam...
as kids no less
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and ded
supple quarry
As a kid you have a lot more patience to bang your head against a wall
visual folio
the main thing that I'm alluding to here is, aside from being an excellent Souls...
good concrete example: one of the major regions in Tunic has an "intended" main entrance which I didn't find (or rather, figure out how to open) until nearly the very end of the game, but I found the secret back entrance very early, so I ended up doing that part mostly backwards and it just kinda let me
argh, ok I need to focus to get through this dungeon with any health left
visual folio
while LttP uses a different wall texture
correction: the destructible walls use a different wall texture, but the floors are still pixel hunts
back in dungeon 4 that was one of my 4 wtfs
here I got lucky
oh my god it's BLUE
ok time to leave the dungeon, stock up on potions, and then save state my way back down to the boss
grim condor
I should replay Zelda in series order.
grim condor
I don't think I have ever disliked any of them.
I can still beat Zelda 1 in under a hour.
visual folio
naturally, I'm now messing up rooms I did perfectly on all previous attempts
supple quarry
<a:AyakaNoteAnimated_FiaKaru:857649916541272134> I should replay Zelda in series...
I think that sounds fun and you should go for it
visual folio
there we go, finally back at B6, and with full health this time
this dungeon also has a bonus supply room if you found every key
hm... perhaps fire rod
first try no potions (which is not common for me and bosses in this game)
I just noticed I have exactly 666 rupees
ah, I think this is the first use of "courage" and "wisdom" next to each other
civic hawk
Fun fact the Ice Temple is considered one of the hardest dungeons in the game so yoku dekita !
visual folio
oh really
I thought it was fairly straightforward compared to the last few
random thought
I remember reading somewhere that there was a flute in this game
is that English only, and they swapped the ocarina for a flute?
civic hawk
correct :flutternod:
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oh my god it's BLUE
yayy i love the blue tunic in this game
civic hawk
blue tunic in the earlier games is pretty dope, I like using them whenever the green is the default outfit (still hilarious to me that OOT's Zora and Goron tunics are just the same but with a different color but that's hardware limitations for ya, TP and BOTW did a more elaborate design for the Zora outfit which I like)
visual folio
#flawless
civic hawk
''Fuck it, Link can take it''
Link in-game after hearing that:
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oh, this must be what Cap was thinking of earlier
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nice, that got me back through the spikes without any damage
maybe they really did want me to tank it
unique dagger
no you're supposed to use the cape but it's ok
visual folio
oh
well
ok that would explain that one sign about a cape
still this got me no closer to the last dungeon
guess I'll explore the light world past eyeglass rock again
yep, that heart piece is still up there taunting me
OH
I didn't have the superglove last time I was here!
unique dagger
i have no idea what these little dragon fellas are
visual folio
in my head I've been calling them winged goombas
wet forge
They’re friends
unique dagger
they most certainly are not
civic hawk
yep, that heart piece is still up there taunting me
''I do not like this heart piece, Zelda. Its smug aura mocks me, it's evil, Zelda!''
visual folio
the wooden pegs up here don't like me
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if you mean the three yellow circle spells, one of them is required to enter the mystery swamp(???) dungeon
unique dagger
yes
visual folio
I've yet to come up with a use for them outside of that puzzle though
unique dagger
i cant remember if you can get the golden master sword yet
visual folio
last time I spoke to the dwarves they just said nope that's the best we can do with it
unique dagger
yeah the dwarves don't do it
visual folio
though their dialogue having actual choices in it made me very suspicious when they could do exactly one upgrade for me and nothing else
civic hawk
You gotta come back when you're a little mmmmmm, richer
unique dagger
when you have time go to Greedo in the dark world
visual folio
lol, first thing in the dungeon is a message saying don't even try this without potions
civic hawk
visual folio
but first, there's a whole chunk of dark mt hebradeath(???) that I can get to from here
wtf are those 8-bit firebreathing lynels
civic hawk
I love how adorable Lynels are in this era of Zelda
unique dagger
6 games
Zelda I, ALttP, i believe the oracle games?, ALBW, BotW, and TotK
ok i was one off
visual folio
I'm gonna assume this castle having a rave party is Ganon's place
unique dagger
iforgor age of calmity 😔
civic hawk
from little teddy bears trying to adorably murder you to more muscular than Ganondorf and will literally gun you down with arrows if you look at them in the eye
visual folio
oh this is fun
visual folio
way ahead of you lol
unique dagger
murder him
visual folio
huh, how do I get back to the right
oh that's my fault for picking up the skull
I see a bombable wall at the top but nothing to hook onto up there, hopefully that's a one-way exit from something else
HMMMMM
civic hawk
wet forge
visual folio
ok turtle rock time
I do have potions
ah, so this dungeon is firmly blocked on getting the somaria staff in dark dungeon 6
neat, that room requires you to walk backwards
took a minute to figure out how to do that
also firmly blocked on the fire rod from dark dungeon 3
and... 6 requires the glove from 4
and you can't get to anything without 1
so you could probably go here without doing 2 and 5, but that's about it (glitchless)
actually dungeon 2 / dark swamp's item was the hookshot, and that's necessary in a handful of places, particularly the entrance of... 6 I think? well one of them
5 is definitely skippable because it's the blue clothes that reduce damage
but seemingly the only one you can skip normally
you're supposed to be in a Mario game
civic hawk
Well skippable in the sense that you can complete the game without it but.... that dmg reduction helps...
visual folio
yeah
civic hawk
although you probably still need the crystal right?
visual folio
right, I think you need all 7 to finish the game regardless
I'm just wondering how flexible the ordering is
trying to make the full dependency lattice
ok wtf does this room want me to do
civic hawk
If you didn't need the crystals then it'd be fully skippable since (spoilers for the final dungeon) || you get the red tunic later which even further reduces damage and fully replaces the blue one too ||
grim condor
Are you doing Link's Awakening after this?
visual folio
the plan was LBW and probably stop there for Zeldas
(I'm not trying to complete the whole franchise)
grim condor
LTTP and Link's Awakening are what set the Zelda franchise.
visual folio
ok I think I'm actually stuck on this room, I can't tell if there was a key hiding somewhere else or these chain chomps are vulnerable to something other than the 10+ items I did try
oooh this is one of those "push every block until one of them does a thing" rooms
yeah that's still dumb
civic hawk
I myself do plan to play Link's Awakening's remake a bit further down the line maybe, just because it seems to be relatively short and people say very good things about it so I want to at least try it out, but for now I'm just gonna chill from Zelda after those 140+ hours in TOTK and enjoy ALBW once I get to it
civic hawk
part of the reason why I didn't pick up Link to the Past right now since not only am I not hugely interested in the game thus making it very doubtful I'd have the interest to complete it but also I've just been playing too much dang Zelda
visual folio
yeah, LttP is a much chunkier game than the overworld map makes it look
grim condor
At the time people were not used to the length of SNES games.
So the twist when you storm the castle floored a lot of people.
visual folio
if I hadn't played OoT and TP that might've gotten me too
oh turtle rock is getting ridiculous
wet forge
It’s turtles and rocks all the way down
visual folio
died to a completely different mario enemy
what do you call that critter which is a stack of ~4 orange spheres you have to knock out one by one?
wet forge
Spiney
civic hawk
also I'm assuming that the version you're playing is the original nes right?
visual folio
snes, but yes I'm emulating the Japanese (Rev 2) SNES ROM
civic hawk
oh yeah I can tell from the UI I probably didn't even need to ask
I'm just asking since the port of the game for the GBA adds something extra that's pretty neat but I'll show you that after you're done so you don't gotta worry about that
visual folio
I did read up on snes vs gba differences before choosing this so odds are I saw that somewhere, but I'm not sure which thing you might mean
ooooh... this is one of those dungeons ||with multiple overworld entrances/exits that can't be reached any other way||
I have high hopes for the final dungeon's big chest item
lightning shield... that parries beams? 
pfff this shield is almost as big as Link
civic hawk
is that what the Mirror Shield is called in jp?
unique dagger
mirror shield is epic
BE CAREFUL BTW
you know how at some shops you can buy a replacement fighter's shield?
if yoy buy it with the fire or mirror shield it replaces it
visual folio
or a replacement red shield
yeah I figured I should not buy the 50 one after I bought the 500 one
wet forge
ok no I completely misread that <:ajlie:585560130800844800>
I’m amused by this because I’ve seen this exact mistranslation before
bright girder
is this turtle rock
visual folio
yep
bright girder
what an iconic dungeon
visual folio
ok that room was like navigating a mass transit system with nothing but a pen light
civic hawk
lightning shield... that parries beams? <:izzystare:884921135312015460>
''Kagami no tate o mitsuketa zotsu?''
I wonder why they put it in katakana
bright girder
I'm doing a Wind Waker randomizer where I chose "no starting sword". At the moment I'm 215/285 item locations in with 0/4 swords.
civic hawk
Did you read that incorrectly or does 'lightning' sound similar to kagami?
bright girder
ive cleared 3 dungeons with my bare fists ✊
visual folio
I assume the kanji 鏡 is considered either too hard for the target age range, or (especially in this case) too many strokes for a pixelated font to handle
civic hawk
ah yeah that'd be a hard one to pixelize
visual folio
I did read that completely incorrectly, that was just a pure derp; kagami and kaminari are not that similar
visual folio
no no I'm still on turtle rock B2 lol
I probably want to look around the overworlds a bit before ganon anyway, we all know there's stuff I've missed
definitely not finishing the game tonight
civic hawk
You know I actually thought you'd already be at least finished before I finished TOTK and you're actually kind of there, but to be fair you've pretty much binged the game in like less than a week, it's barely been 3 days since you started the game
it does surprisingly seem longer than I thought it'd be
visual folio
same
on b3 but with both potions spent
interestingly, B2 has this random opening to the overworld from which you can't really get anywhere
but I might be able to do a light world potion restock with this
visual folio
ah no just getting back here in the light world requires world swapping
welp we're doing the usual save state dungeon retrace then
unique dagger
LttP Link is cute
civic hawk
Going from TOTK to a classic Zelda must be annoying whenever you see your hearts down and think ''oh I'll just cook/eat some food'' and when you open the menu you have that ''wait..'' moment
I know I'm gonna miss the convenience of cooking a dozen radish/truffle dishes for the ridiculous extra hearts
visual folio
well, I tend to prefer the simplicity of just a few health potions over ten thousand cooking ingredients
civic hawk
I agree only because a lot of times I found cooking to be redundant since a lot of times I'd have no real incentive to cook a bunch of ingredients
visual folio
pretty much
civic hawk
also potions are kind of an iconic aspect of any medieval adventure game too
Potion seller, I need your strongest potions!
visual folio
there we go
civic hawk
what's this?
visual folio
aaaaaand it's dead (took a few tries and potions)
I think fire and ice rod are both mandatory for that?
this damsel looks familiar somehow
unique dagger
ZELDA !
visual folio
might as well take a peek inside even if I'm not doing this tonight
yup, this looks like the right place
unique dagger
i highly recommend getting the golden master sword before Ganon's Tower
visual folio
I will definitely run around the overworlds a bit to see if I can find anything else of value
if I can't discover the golden sword on my own I'll try without it, like any other missable item
civic hawk
this damsel looks familiar somehow <:ppinkiethonkers:1116739552342708364>
starting to notice just how many things from lttp there are in oot
unique dagger
if I can't discover the golden sword on my own I'll try without it, like any oth...
but it's so cool....
visual folio
probably the biggest thing is the overall structure of three easy dungeons, fail to beat bad guy, unlock alternate version of world, more than three harder dungeons, actual bad guy defeat
civic hawk
and the enemies and the tunics you can get and the princesses in crystals...
visual folio
although the orange master sword didn't seem to catch on
civic hawk
yeeeeaah OOT has some neat weapons but no upgrades to anything you have or anything like that, overall you'll mostly be using the master sword exclusively for most of any zelda game
unique dagger
Biggoron Sword !
civic hawk
Skyward Sword kinda has the upgrades but that's since that game is the origin of how the master sword gets created or transformed into I guess
Biggoron is not an upgrade it's a separate sword entirely
civic hawk
I mean it's the best sword in the game but you can't use your shield since it's a two handed sword it's not a special state for the master sword or anything
just a really big sword
visual folio
it's kinda sad that they made a whole game about the Master Sword's origin, and one of the things it's most famous for is the Master Sword being somehow more annoying than Navi was
civic hawk
Skyward Sword in general is a pretty big gigantic missed opportunity
and bad execution in general
I think it's probably by far the game that has the most/worst issues attributed to traditional Zelda formula
visual folio
I've watched some thorough videos about what it did right and wrong
unique dagger
i like Fi
visual folio
(if I had any motion controls here I might consider pirating it just to see what that's like, but nope)
supple quarry
visual folio
remind me, have you played nearly every Zelda?
supple quarry
Skyward sword has booomb boooowlinggg
visual folio
I think that's a gif from the video I watched
supple quarry
It's from sequelitis
unique dagger
remind me, have you played nearly every Zelda?
me ?
visual folio
yeah
civic hawk
Even Twilight Princess (which nowadays people like but back then you'd pretty much have to defend your stance if you ever said it was your favourite Zelda) people would say that its worst sin is just being overall pretty by the books and standard when it comes to its structure and story (although I dunno why people said that considering Midna is still one of the most unique companions and arguably the protagonist) but Skyward Sword set the community on fire for years
civic hawk
BOOOOOOOMB BOOOOOOOOOWWWWLLL
supple quarry
TP does rely on OoT too hard, but the game's biggest problem is how slow it starts and there are too many dog sections, and that the dog never gets more interesting.
visual folio
I'm probably still the weirdo for liking TP sooooooooo much more than OoT that TP's one of the few dozen games I've ever replayed and OoT I never did half the sidequests in
unique dagger
yeah
no, ive only played Zelda I, II, ALttP, Link's Awakening, BotW, and TotK all the way through
civic hawk
Nowadays people like TP a lot more, I personally always had it as my favourite
unique dagger
my favourite is LttP or TotK
visual folio
wait, so none of the 3Ds before BotW?
unique dagger
nope
visual folio
that's interesting
civic hawk
TP does rely a lot on OOT but that's because it's a direct sequel I think it's distinct enough that it stands on its own as a story and game without requiring OOT, playing OOT just gives it that extra context
it adds those moments of ''I clapped when I saw it!!! I know what that is!!!''
unique dagger
that's interesting
BotW and TotK have similar design philosophies to Zelda I which is probably why i like them so much. ive tried OoT and MM before and nothing really clicked with me
visual folio
sequels in general are really hard to evaluate because you'll always have people who want the old game but with its bad parts fixed and other people who wanted something radically different
civic hawk
you can say that about remakes too
supple quarry
I'm almost done with my MM Rando run. Just have to do stone tower temple and go to the moon 
unique dagger
da moon
visual folio
yeah, with video games, the distinction between a sequel and a remake is often a minor detail
unique dagger
LA remake is almost 1-1 the same except for a few qol changes since the Gameboy only had 2 buttons
visual folio
unlike most other media
especially with the older Zeldas where story (as opposed to world/setting) is almost an afterthought
unique dagger
how can you say that when the seven maidens lore dump you every time you save one /hj
supple quarry
I finished my MM Rando in 12 hours 
tepid depot
how'd you like it?
supple quarry
It was a fun challenge 
tepid depot
grim condor
Which one will you do first?