City Planner Plays says the most RAM utilization he had was about 20 Gb total (game + Windows)
#Cities Skylines
blissful comet
slim frigate
Fortunately, 4090s all have 24 GB of VRAM.
open lily
Page File should be enough from my experience. Like spooky, I also have 8GB VRAM and 32GB of RAM.
That said, the devs are working on optimization and a patch(s) should be out fairly quick to help.
signal kelp
some people say these settings help https://www.pcgamer.com/cities-skylines-2-immediately-change-these-5-graphics-options-for-a-big-performance-boost/
blissful comet
It's in the pins, Colossal Order themselves posted an optimization suggestions FAQ
slim frigate
I am confused by the decision to ship this without at least picking some default settings that can get better than 12 frames per second in the menu.
daring ember
I spent all of my money on a preorder
I'm never gonna financially recover from this.
fiery trail
I need to try that game 😮
daring ember
ah yes 10 frames in a fucking menu
there is literally zero 3D objects in the menu
Ok, so, I'm currently running game in a maxxed out settings at 1440p, just updated my drivers aaand...
it is capped at 20 frames 
it literally doesn't go any higher
99% GPU util.
and the game actually looks horrible graphically-wise for those settings lmao
I'm pretty sure it shouldn't be like this
OH
it turned normal
bruh
yeah, so, no matter the settings I use, game is capped at 20 frames for some reason
I'm using a high preset with turned off shit like motion blur
so this is literally how bugged graphics are rn
I can see the abyss
I'm not playing this game. I haven't even started my city but it is already full of graphical artifacts and well (perfomance). I will return to it after they fix the game. For now though: they rightfully deserve negative review.
and even fucking texture blending (sand) looks like ass, bruh
I'm done with Cities Skylines for today. Gonna go play another game.
blissful comet
blissful comet
I'm pretty sure it shouldn't be like this
The game has to process the textures on first run, they went over that in the optimization post I pinned.
candid knoll
https://fxtwitter.com/eurogamer/status/1717148167341228483? @blissful comet
daring ember
https://pdxint.at/performance
is this their fucking target? are they out of their mind??????
even consoles go higher then 60 frames nowadays
this is some 2015 goals
oopsie, ping by accident
fast laurel
well yeah
do you need 60fps in a citybuilder?
daring ember
well yeah
do you need 60fps in a citybuilder?
yes I do!
fast laurel
why
blissful comet
Exactly. As long as you're maintaining 30 FPS minimum, the rest is just gravy. You don't need 60 FPS.
It's not a twitch shooter
daring ember
because of the smooth picture!
blissful comet
That's what the 30 FPS does
fast laurel
can you really tell the difference in a citybuilder?
daring ember
yes I can
fast laurel
its a citybuilder
daring ember
I played cs for a lot of hours on a shitty hardware
doing it in 144 fps is much different
fast laurel
i can see the argument in a fast-paced game, but... cities skylines is not that
daring ember
it is not even about the game itself
it is seeing your mouse cursor sweep through widgets on the city panel in glorious above 100 frames
it just feels better
blissful comet
Yeah, sorry, that just... does not seem like a useful target for 90% of the people playing the game.
It may feel nice to you, but it's not a necessary goal.
daring ember
If I'm not getting at least 60 frames people with worse hardware aren't getting even 30 since the problem is not in the settings but in how game works apparently (info: multiple reviews stating that changing settings haven't done anything + my exp)
fast laurel
thats literally a different argument tho
daring ember
how so
fast laurel
we all agree the current state is not great
daring ember
yeah but can we just aim for a bit higher demands so that they won't stop at 30 fps for top hardware
blissful comet
I don't see the point
This obsession with "number must go up" is something I hate about modern gaming culture.
fast laurel
graphix isnt everything
blissful comet
I'd rather they hit the 30 FPS minimum level, then put all their work into fun content
daring ember
I don't see the point
The point is that they will call it a day after achieving 30 fps on most machines, and we do need to pressure them into more optimisation
daring ember
graphix isnt everything
game doesn't even look that good
blissful comet
I disagree. Especially since hardware is going to improve over time, making the optimization past that point obsolete.
fast laurel
The point is that they will call it a day after achieving 30 fps on most machine...
you do realise "most machines" are low to mid ranged hardware, right?
daring ember
yeah
fast laurel
its consoles and laptops, gaming rigs are logically going to get better numbers
daring ember
Maybe I'm making it not clear but with every CS1 dlc perfomance severely dropped
imagine what would happen with already bad running CS2
I'm not a programmer but I feel like it would make it harder to optimise the game further if you add stuff on top of it
fast laurel
it means they do need to do more optimisation, yeah
but they're already working on that
i dont get your argument here
daring ember
it means they do need to do more optimisation, yeah
but they're already working ...
and they have deadlines which include dlcs, we must pressure pdx into delaying dlcs so that devs have more time to work on optimisation
blissful comet
Maybe I'm making it not clear but with every CS1 dlc perfomance severely dropped
I saw very little performance drop with DLC, on my end. Maybe folks with tons of mods were having trouble.
daring ember
this is my final point
blissful comet
and they have deadlines which include dlcs, we must pressure pdx into delaying d...
Optimization? Sure
60FPS optimization? No. I don't think that's a reasonable demand.
daring ember
Why not tho?
I think CS2 community would only benefit with higher framerate and more stable build
oh bruh they doubled the cost of the game, preorder costed me twice as less
fast laurel
if you have 100 manhours for development time, where do you put it all? if everyone is optimizing, you're not mkaing new content and you go bankrupt
if everyone is making new content and not optimizing, your game breaks and you go bankrupt
30fps is a pretty great goal when you think about it
blissful comet
More stable, yes. Higher framerate, no, I don't think that's a significant benefit vs. the cost of implementing it.
blissful comet
oh bruh they doubled the cost of the game, preorder costed me twice as less
I don't know what this means.
fast laurel
remember that they're promising 30fps on most machines, which, just to remind you again, is a target for lower end hardware, not uber powerful gaming rigs
im sure you will have something close to 60fps on your machine in the end
daring ember
I don't know what this means.
it means that I bought preorder of the game twice as cheap as it costs now
at least in my region
blissful comet
it means that I bought preorder of the game twice as cheap as it costs now
Might've been a regional thing then, because the price never changed here.
fast laurel
now im going to wander off because you stopped arguing in good faith a long time ago
daring ember
I'm sorry for arguing, it didn't even lead anywhere coz I still stand with my opinion.
We can just not bring it up
daring ember
remember that they're promising 30fps on most machines, which, just to remind yo...
ok
we can agree on this.
frozen prairie
Hopefully there'll be some performance mods for you...
blissful comet
This doesn't seem to be something mods can help with. Mostly it's an issue of inefficient texture compression, from reports of cards with high VRAM outperforming faster cards.
frozen prairie
Darn
blissful comet
daring ember
cool, I won't be able to try it tho 
hopefully by the time I return home (2 weeks) they'll completely fix performance issues
blissful comet
Performance is pretty good for me, but the graphics arne't loading well.
winged kiln
I think the performance would be okay on my imac m1 but I can't afford the game lol 
blissful comet
Okay, after playing around with it, I've got graphics on High (with a few specific items turned off), and still getting 50+ FPS in my starting city.
fast laurel
daring ember
daring ember
Okay, after playing around with it, I've got graphics on High (with a few specif...
oh hay, is this because of the patch??
blissful comet
oh hay, is this because of the patch??
No clue, this is the first time I've had a chance to play.
open lily
I believe it is because of the patch, going by friends that had played on launch and post.
blissful comet
i do have a weird bug where rain basically goes sideways.
open lily
That's not a bug. That's Vietnam. /s
blissful comet
Traffic management in this game is just so much fucking easier. I was having a bottleneck on my main road into town, switched the intersection to use a 5-lane Asymmetric road, and trafic just melted away.
winged kiln
Apparently the citizen in the town you create has high poly teeth
You currently cannot reduce the quality of the people in the city.
frozen prairie
it's time to become a creepy dentist who steals people teeth so we can get our frames back!
Nightmare Night is close enough so it's entirely legal
quaint kernel
Environment? What Environment?
blissful comet
Are those all ore processing?
blissful comet
Oh nice. I don't have any coal unlocked on my map yet.
blissful comet
tl;dr There's a bug where cargo terminals aren't properly moving goods out of your city, and businesses aren't properly importing/exporting goods. CO is working on it.
daring ember
daring ember
brb playing my city builder on 4k 165 fps on max settings
no way they finally fixed perf
what's your specs?
quaint kernel
no way they finally fixed perf
I don't mind the proformice issues, i'm used to it. I just played on lowest settings.
cpu prioritize on simulation, not frame rate
quaint kernel
Is this real?
https://www.reddit.com/r/CitiesSkylines/comments/17gfq13/the_game_does_render_individual_teeth_with_no_lod/
This might sound weird, I havent been following dev dairys but does the game does a system like this or something different?
https://youtu.be/MxTcm1YFKcU?t=108
did they fix the road ai where they use the fastist road and not the shortist dirt road?
That LGR comment 
blissful comet
Is this real?
https://www.reddit.com/r/CitiesSkylines/comments/17gfq13/the_game_...
Devs already debunked the idea that rendering teeth is why the game isn't as fast as it could be.
People are really grasping at straws
quaint kernel
you tell me what one is lowest settings
EU buildings 
Must avoid car centric dependency like taxis and parking lots
blissful comet
Cims really seem to like walking paths in this game
quaint kernel
are Cim's smart enough to transfer between bus lanes?
I kinda want to try a 'spider web' out of the city center
open lily
Wrong thread.
quaint kernel
derp
ebon jay
Ping?
quaint kernel
phone just beep'd about it now
ebon jay
Why ping ahhh
grand eagle
There was an accidental Launch Watch ping in this thread, you can unfollow this thread if you're not interested in Cities Skylines by clicking/tapping on the "Following" button in the top right corner
blissful comet
are Cim's smart enough to transfer between bus lanes?
They were in CS1, I imagine they should in this game too. You can always pick a cim and follow them.
blissful comet
pale epoch
Are there trams in the base game?
They were my favorite form of mass tranist in C:S1, but performance issues, along with some issuse with steam workshop, kinda killed my interest.
blissful comet
Yup, there are
pale epoch
Yay!
blissful comet
I think you have to spend a few expansion points to unlock them, but they're not hard to get.
pale epoch
Just need a more powerful system and to accept that people are more willing to buy stuff than pay taxes.
quaint kernel
Anyway I did a thing
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1te_nSkIawwUWMuyPTCvHmbz09sDNE2sCHbStiiqlJ0E/edit?usp=sharing
I'm using coal 
And I guess Nuclear later on since I already invested in that branch
blissful comet
I went with Geothermal, with an eye towards solar & nuclear when I need more power.
pale epoch
Huh, no hydro. Hopefully someone will mod that in.
@blissful comet Do you have screenshots of the powerplants? I wasn't a big fan of the default plant in C:S. They looked too fancy and futurisitic, when modern plants don't look all that different from older plants.
blissful comet
No, they might have some on the wiki
pale epoch
Ah, okay. I might take up proper 3D modeling so I can get the styles of plants I want into the game, mostly taking inspiration from Simcity 2000.
Thanks regardless.
daring ember
Anyway I did a thing
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1te_nSkIawwUWMuyPTCv...
so the lower the efficiency the better?
quaint kernel
<@129646994053398528> Do you have screenshots of the powerplants? I wasn't a big...
there is hydra I just don't know how to calculate it
quaint kernel
so the lower the efficiency the better?
Lower the better but I did not factor in resource use because I don't know how
i'd asume coal or oil is cheaping if you mine it yourself rather then inport it
i'm at 0% service fee for an easy +5 happy and i'm still making lots of money from 30% taxes and 5 green smiles
and things like no fee for busses to try to make the barrer to entry as low as possible
quaint kernel
WHY SO MANY TAXI'S 
frozen prairie
yes
quaint kernel
Oh wow, you can
Good shit
~15 cars off the road 
and another road to industry sector
blissful comet
Outside connections are actually important in CS2. Cims will use them to go to university if you don't have one, or ambulances will show up from out of town if you have no clinics.
quaint kernel
if you make a mistake making a block with roads and you don't mind it's not stiright, leave it in. it'll add a bit of personality to your city or that block
winged kiln
i am still wondering how to get better pefromance in CS1 when you have a big city
blissful comet
i am still wondering how to get better pefromance in CS1 when you have a big cit...
Use fewer mods. Otherwise, you just... don't. The game gets very bogged down as your population gets big.
blissful comet
glass lily
i am still wondering how to get better pefromance in CS1 when you have a big cit...
turn CS1 off /s
winged kiln
blissful comet
blissful comet
We are currently investigating a garbage problem and it seems that some citizens are abandoning their dogs resulting in a huge dog pack just stranded in the city. Not cool, citizens, not cool at all.
quaint kernel
any other $50 parking $50 taxi enjoyers?
blissful comet
I should probably jack up taxi prices.
quaint kernel
I am also a fellow subscriber of r/fuckcars
blissful comet
daring ember
didn't even know there were such issues, lol
blissful comet
If you load up the game, let it simulate for a while. Apparently the changes cause some businesses to just fire everyone, then rehire, so you'll see like 65% unemployment at first before it levels out.
That apparently also causes massive traffic jams as people move out / in so... 
daring ember
funny how nobody noticed it in beta
maybe the problem exists only in release version of the game
blissful comet
It may just be something you don't notice under normal circumstances.
quaint kernel
"removed Spasm radio ad"
Finally, the game is playable
hated that ad
not because it was "offensive"
blissful comet
It played way too often. They need a bit more variety in the radio ads.
Also, they need another Horse Economy ad
quaint kernel
if the power is even low or cuts out for one secund, they talk about rolling blackouts, like come on bruh
frozen prairie
I wonder if there's an AD free subscription... or a setting, that works too
open lily
Also, they need another Horse Economy ad
That stable market takes a bit to build.
blissful comet
Horse Economy 4: Unbridled Profits
quaint kernel
This one?
frozen prairie
uh... i would never shop there just because of that AD...
blissful comet
I think that was the point. It was making fun of "hip" trendy ads trying to create a new viral fad to promote their brand.
swift geyser
🚈
hushed moth
quaint kernel
Is low rent medium density or high density?
Seems like high density in a medium density sized building\
trying to taper buildings along a river and low rent seem to be medium sized but then you give them a 2x4 or 3x3 and it's really tall 
blissful comet
I think it's high density, but i'd have to double check
daring ember
blissful comet
blissful comet
blissful comet
Looks like they fixed the garbage issue, cut down on illegal u-turns, and people aren't abandoning their dogs now.
daring ember
will try to launch the game today
last time I did was on the second day after release
daring ember
dear god, all of the starting maps are ugly
ugh
gonna take me a while to actually settle on a map for my city
daring ember
dear god, all of the starting maps are ugly
take my words back there is only one which has negative temp at winter and that looks realistic yet doesn't look shitty
daring ember
this game is f*cking broken
it won't let me do underground crossing lol
wtf is this
awesome
I think I'll just return to cs1 for now...
until there will be anarchy mod for cs2
blissful comet
How did you manage to get that crevasse?
daring ember
How did you manage to get that crevasse?
I have no idea!
I just used page down and page up
trying to make an underground crossing
blissful comet
Oh, I think you're way too close to the road when starting that.
And you didn't go deep enough to make a tunnel at first, it's doing a cut & fill.
daring ember
And you didn't go deep enough to make a tunnel at first, it's doing a cut & fill...
I did, it made a tunnel
daring ember
Oh, I think you're way too close to the road when starting that.
I tried starting 1 cell further, it didn't help.
blissful comet
What you've got in the picture is a cut & fill, which happens when you're going into terrain but it's not deep enough to start a tunnel. You get the same thing making a road alongside a cliff (except only on one side).
daring ember
this game is f*cking broken
you can see a tunnel here
I don't get why it wants to create that instead of entrance to the tunnel
blissful comet
I think you'd need to go further down to avoid making that cut & fill
Like, immediately drop more than one or two levels.
daring ember
my sims will be going to mine trying to cross a road 
ig I should try
tomorrow tho, I already turned off PC
blissful comet
It's not broken, but it's definitely not the effect you wanted.
daring ember
just... why
daring ember
I must say tho
that even if not perfect
snapping tool is done well
it give me a lot of flexibility
currently trying to figure out starting grid
also in-game radios are crap
so um
daring ember
currently trying to figure out starting grid
upd: I did figure it out
blissful comet
Yeah, the in game radios need a ton more stations/variety
daring ember
tbf cs1 radio didn't start full of songs
blissful comet
Yup. And that's how I'm looking at CS2, most of this stuff will get filled out over time.
daring ember
Yup. And that's how I'm looking at CS2, most of this stuff will get filled out o...
ikr, that's why I haven't refunded my money after disappointing in the state of the game on release
btw, my first city
blissful comet
Good start!
daring ember
ty
blissful comet
blissful comet
I don't think that's correct at all.
There's issues with how businesses get their goods and CO is working on it. But AFAIK cims do have to travel to work and spend their time there.
daring ember
funny, I can't rotate stop signs
bruh wtf
my citizens keep complaining about healtcare
even if they are like 100meters close to the clinic
and there are available space and ambulances
note: there is no such traffic for ambulances to wait in
blissful comet
Maybe check the coverage? Someone might be on the outer edge.
daring ember
no-no
that's the thing
I'm literally checking the guy who's complaning
he lives 100m away from the clinic
and this is not the first occurance
blissful comet
Is the clinic new?
daring ember
not really
I placed it as soon as finished the layout
it was there before any of the houses
blissful comet
Hm. Not sure then.
daring ember
must give it even with low effort and a simple grid cities in this game could look pretty
blissful comet
Oh yeah, the game looks fantastic
daring ember
daring ember
daring ember
daring ember
wut????
istg they are just complaining for the sake of it
either that or the simulation is broken
daring ember
I fucking hate this
and it won't let me delete this road LMAO
such small things make me extremely frustrated and angry 
daring ember
I love how fast the game loads compared to cs1
daring ember
a real question:
what do you think suits better here
blissful comet
This could work either way. Given the length of the span though, three trusses makes the most sense.
blissful comet
Oh yeah, that's how a bridge near where I grew up worked. Actually extended past some factories that were on the river.
daring ember
check out what I thought of
daring ember
Oh yeah, that's how a bridge near where I grew up worked. Actually extended past...
such a nice addition that they made it able to build building under bridges
blissful comet
pale epoch
Sorry @blissful comet about the polygon count rant.
blissful comet
S'okay
pale epoch
Yeah, people didn't need that.
daring ember
um
literally wtf wrong with paths lol
it created a fucking lightpole in the middle of the lane
like why does it keeps doing it?????
frozen prairie
that's a big boy intersection
daring ember
I had to make it bigger as I had traffic jams on the part of the city I demolished
you can see some service buildings I saved
glass lily
it created a fucking lightpole in the middle of the lane
quick time event to check if drivers are paying attention to the road
blissful comet
That title hurts my brain
daring ember
yeah lol
blissful comet
daring ember
so they didn't fix elementary graduation time?
blissful comet
I don't remember that bug
daring ember
I don't remember that bug
basically: time it takes for elementary students to graduate is too much
blissful comet
Huh.
daring ember
Looks like a well made one though.
it is!
and it so helpful
like omg
I just returned home and gonna be installing this one
blissful comet
daring ember
glass lily
timelines will fix themselves
blissful comet
Last patch of the year
Improved cargo air transport by:
Increasing airplane cargo capacity from 50t to 100t Increasing airport cargo terminal capacity from 100t to 720t Adding all resource types to Airplane Outside Connections *Not allowing cargo terminals to store garbage resource*
blissful comet
sterile wasp
I’m no civil engineer but I’m not sure that’s how waste management works.
open lily
How did you think World of Goo 2 got going? /s
candid knoll
https://fxtwitter.com/ar12gaming/status/1738917904605659192? @blissful comet
blissful comet
Oh damn, nice!
frozen prairie
Wow, beautiful!
candid knoll
candid knoll
daring ember
mods are really helpful, I made this in like 2 minutes
would've spent a shitton of time if wasn't using mods
candid knoll
Is it like auto placing mods you use?
daring ember
Is it like auto placing mods you use?
extended road upgrades
it allows me to turn roads into quays
candid knoll
Oooh nice.
blissful comet
Someone tagged the game Sexual Content on Steam.
blissful comet
Watched the CPPs video, and it's a good explanation of the problem.
frozen prairie
I'm excited that he's bringing back CS1
daring ember
daring ember
cities skylines 2 being broken and without proper modding support (got tired of reinstalling each mod manually) I've returned to this game
it is fun but more about resource management then city planning
tho this is tedious AF I hope they fix and bring new stuff to CS2 sooner
daring ember
daring ember
starting a new city, unfinished layout
frozen prairie
Is that the CPP map?
daring ember
I have a lot of stuff to do before starting... 
frozen prairie
I wish I could play that map, it looks so cool
daring ember
you can, actually
frozen prairie
I don't have Cities 2 though
daring ember
oh
frozen prairie
I kinda want to wait for them to fix up the game more
daring ember
oh yeah the state it is still in is...
how do I put it without using the word ass
butt
blissful comet
fast laurel
there were lots of genuinely great ideas in that game
its a shame the core of it was broken from the start, tiny maps, initially forced always online DRM...
like its really cool to be able to have multiple players building cities designed to work in concert with each other, but even now thats the only way to play the game effectively
upgradeable/modular building were a fantastic idea
the cities of the future pack adding mega buildings is awesome too, albeit very strange
daring ember
so I've been experimenting a bit...
I think I kinda got it??
now just gotta finish and clean up
frozen prairie
It looks nice, but how are you going to connect the center grid to the left one?
daring ember
and add suburbias since murica
daring ember
It looks nice, but how are you going to connect the center grid to the left one?
oh yeah so I'm going to add a couple of roads
and upgrade a dozen to have more lanes
roads in question for upgrade are those which have less connections
coz yk road hierarchy
daring ember
frozen prairie
Could you explain what the colors mean?
daring ember
ok so red - 4 lane road with tram tracks (so basically converted 6 lane)
orange - 4 lane road
magenta - higway
frozen prairie
I think that will work quite well
frozen prairie
I think that's fine
frozen prairie
Well, I like it
daring ember
daring ember
frozen prairie
I love it! ❤️
daring ember
slowly but surely it starts coming together
winged kiln
daring ember
(reviews arent looking good lol)
and they dare to make it only 10% off for steam spring sale, a game without working simulation
this describes it pretty well
My first city I ever built in this game had a huge amount of people that need to be moved from point A to point B to point C for city's economy to function
wha's funny is that my bus routes only were going from point A to point B
I didnt notice at that time
but yeah I dont think pedestrians can walk on the side of a highway or through forest to reach industrial zone
blissful comet
(reviews arent looking good lol)
and they dare to make it only 10% off for steam...
I mean, it's still a new game, demanding more than 10% off is... eh.
blissful comet
but yeah I dont think pedestrians can walk on the side of a highway or through f...
They're not supposed to be able to walk on the side of the highway. And they won't go through forest without a path.
daring ember
They're not supposed to be able to walk on the side of the highway. And they won...
yet somehow they get to the industrial zone without using cars
either that or they use a clown car that can fit 20 ppl at once
daring ember
frozen prairie
I love the school area! It looks amazing!
blissful comet
That looks really good.
daring ember
gotta think about industries before starting this playthrough
it makes sense to put it here coz of the wind
the landscape also influences it, since we dont want any gases to be trapped down here
frozen prairie
https://youtu.be/TQ8yqREJye0?si=JxN2chT_x2D7fnfn
Finally! Are they making my house lol
blissful comet
daring ember
hmmmm
yeaaah.... gotta work on shape
yo, actually looks great
think I gonna leave it as this work the time being
now I gotta add pedestrian crossings here
blissful comet
You're planning so much you don't have a city yet.
daring ember
You're planning so much you don't have a city yet. <:rdsnrk:587780329335422977>
well yeah, but it can't function properly without connections and industrial zone
also I need a lot of suburbia to cover the single family housing demand
blissful comet
Are you playing with unlimited funds?
daring ember
Are you playing with unlimited funds?
but honestly, making money in this game is super easy, like I never imagine to go in debt bruh
daring ember
this is probably as good as it gets without buildings
hmmm
yeah that's gotta be enough complexity for this place
winged kiln
this is probably as good as it gets without buildings
the heart in the tram loop is a lovely touch 
daring ember
im thinking of like placing some kind of administrative building here
so this kind of decoration makes sense
glass lily
My brother in christ this is roadtown
daring ember
My brother in christ this is roadtown
I mean, not really, it has a lot of nature parts
glass lily
Eeeer roadandtreetown
daring ember
NA inspired at the end of the day
blissful comet
daring ember
frozen prairie
I love that key wall!
daring ember
something something this
daring ember
I love that key wall!
I think it could've been better
frozen prairie
Well, don't beat yourself up too much. It's still quite good nonetheless
daring ember
https://youtu.be/707bVdp8I-o
they didn't even add fuckign quays
this is bs, just a few buildings for 10 usd
blissful comet
blissful comet
they didn't even add fuckign quays
this is bs, just a few buildings for 10 usd
Quays are a weird one. It seems they went with the idea that you'd really just want to build a road or walking path around that area anyway, so you do that and it fills in the concrete along the coastline.
Okay, the concept of mod Playsets is really good.
frozen prairie
Okay, the concept of mod Playsets is **really** good.
Yeah, it's the same system like in HOI4
blissful comet
Nice, they fixed the land value issue
blissful comet
Apparently they still have a problem with kids/teens living by themselves.
daring ember
im not updating my game
frozen prairie
Was there something new?
blissful comet
Yeah patch just dropped, first DLC is out, and mod system is out in beta
Oh wow, there's a TAA antialiasing bug that's hilarious
daring ember
oh yeah that also
and im using taa
not updating lol
this is coming smoothly
frozen prairie
Love the first person perspective!
daring ember
im not updating my game
fucking hell.
cant even play it without updating
nice, every part of the game (basegame and dlcs) is under "mostly negative" reviews
well deserved.
daring ember
and im using taa
also I'm on AMD graphics card
so I can expect -10 frames just because
...
my game doesnt launch anymore
it- it doesn't even let me into the launcher
how do I write a second negative review
Man, this is just straight up frustrating
daring ember
My personal opinion on what could make PDX mods better:
- Filter subscribed content out
- Ability to make mods appear as a list or differently-sized squares so you could see more
- Make it so it doesn't require you to spend an hour waiting for the menu to load ???
- Add assets (buildings) to the modlist ??? why tf is this isn't here from the start
blissful comet
As to 3, that's due to everyone hitting the servers at once right now. It should smooth out once the hype dies down.
daring ember
well that's their problem
not like they are suffering from success or anything, game has low playercount atm
even after the patch
also half of my mods (the ones on screenshot) isn't on PDX mods as of now
so I ain't playing the game right now
not to break my savefiles
daring ember
even after the patch
daring ember
As to 3, that's due to everyone hitting the servers at once right now. It should...
.
daring ember
play another game then
I will find things to get myself busy with
it is just that... ugh
Yesterday I did so much on my savefile and I wanted to continue that to finally start a city
daring ember
it is more than just terraform brush...
why did they release this patch if it has such issues...
frozen prairie
I thought there was a setting he was able to turn off though... or was that a system setting?
blissful comet
Turn off TAA
daring ember
I'm aware that it is TAA
I'm not playing without TAA.
I'm not playing without 2 of my favourite mods.
I simply don't understand how after so many fuck-ups letting down the community you could roll out a patch that breaks one of the most used anti aliasing, nor how you could break it in the first place.
daring ember
blissful comet
Eh, Bellular loves shitting on things.
daring ember
ok so if anyone gonna do modding download Skyve on PDX mods
super helpful utility
it is gonna install as a separate program making it really easy to use
in short: a go-to for modding
This game is going to be saved just by the modding community lmao this 1 application is 100000000 times better than that PDX mods menu
also highly customizable
daring ember
time to doodle some plans
daring ember
I think it could've been better
this looks way better
part of the reason why I won't return to CS1 is just how satisfying road building here is
esp. now with move it
frozen prairie
it is gonna install as a separate program making it really easy to use
yooo! They got Skyve! I might actually get the game when it goes on sale again
daring ember
daring ember
yooo! They got Skyve! I might actually get the game when it goes on sale again
personally, knowing the state of the game I wouldn't buy it if it is below 30% off
frozen prairie
Alr
winged kiln
personally, knowing the state of the game I wouldn't buy it if it is below 30% o...
any game i wouldn't buy if it was below 30%
games are expensive, especially dlc
daring ember
daring ember
did... something
totally not realistic but im fine with it
looks cool from up top though
daring ember
I'm closer to finally unpausing and starting the city
tried running simulation for a bit, I liked what I buildings I was getting
frozen prairie
Yeah, who cares when it looks that cool
daring ember
I think at this rate I'll finally start simulation in 3 days or so
not like I'm playing the game much
daring ember
frozen prairie
Yippie!
daring ember
Oooh, actual buildings!
I just said "fuck it, I'll finish road layout after starting the city"
blissful comet
Oh, he's redoing Verde Beach? That was my favorite city. 🔥
frozen prairie
Fire is one way to describe that city
blissful comet
It was hilarious how often it caught on fire. Definitely a flaw in CS1, but it made for funny streams.
daring ember
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKOAoYnbd0I
watched it
truly a spectacle of city design
anyway...
realistic density released on PDXmods
so I had to restart the city coz I need the updated values
check out this elementary school in single family house district (yes just one word suburbia)
blissful comet
Oh god, the Verde Beach curse is real
frozen prairie
Appease Myrtle
daring ember
frozen prairie
Is the old one fine?
daring ember
(not finished yet)
daring ember
Which map is this one?
river delta
daring ember
Is the old one fine?
the map I played on had some issues and I didn't feel like building that city
frozen prairie
Well, hopes one works out
daring ember
cool
cool
wanted to play a game this evening before going to bed
their stupid PDX mods service died
I CANT PLAY WITH MODS
WHY WOULD YOU MAKE IT RELY ON SERVICE WHY CANT I STORE MY MODS LOCALLY
OR AT LEAST WHY DO YOU NEED TO CHECK THEM CONSTANTLY
istg they should've went with steam workshop and not this brainfuckery that we waited for 5 months to come out WITHOUT ASSETS
blissful comet
sigh They went with their custom one so that console players could have some mods, rather than none. I get it's frustrating, but we know why they made the decision.
daring ember
ugh, right, I often forget consoles exist
frozen prairie
You're doing one block at a time instead of detailing after the buildings are in?
daring ember
no it is just that for this development I wanted to do it using find it
frozen prairie
Ah ok. Looks great nonetheless.
glass lily
Too many bushes
daring ember
daring ember
blissful comet
Will Beach Properties be available for free?
We have made the decision that, along with the refund/compensation, we will include everything that was in the Beach Properties Asset Pack in the base game. If you did not purchase the Asset Pack while it was available, then you will receive the content in the next patch in about two weeks.
Since Ultimate Edition purchasers got the Beach Properties pack included:
What is the new content added to the Ultimate Edition?
The new content that we're adding to the Ultimate Edition will be three (3) new Creator Packs and three (3) new Radio Stations, which will add up to around 39.99 USD in added value.
frozen prairie
Oh wow, this was expected
quaint kernel
Any tropico enjoyers?
blissful comet
I enjoyed 4, played a little of 5, that's about it.
fast laurel
i like tropico, played 4 and 5
own all of them i think
they're not the best games in the world but are fun
blissful comet
daring ember
gotta remake that turn
meaning clear it up completely
coz unrealsitic
so like there is a piece here
tomorrow though
daring ember
daring ember
Twitter
frozen prairie
What's that little corner going to be?
frozen prairie
Like the center?
daring ember
Like the center?
it would totally have skyscrapers and huge density - that's what I tell you
also this here is gonna be the best view on the surrounding bay
so that's a huge attraction point
frozen prairie
Alright, sounds cool!
daring ember
hopefully I don't abandon this project, lol
frozen prairie
Do y'all think they might do a bigger sale this summer?
blissful comet
Not for CS2, it's still too new.
daring ember
Not for CS2, it's still too new.
I actually have no doubts they'll eventually do a sale saying "hey we fixed the game come play".
frozen prairie
I shall play then
daring ember
dunno how they could fix it though
the simulation is broken from the start
only partially, ig
oh, and, um, recently one guy tried pushing game limits on population
performance issues start with 100k and it completely breaks after 400k~
frozen prairie
Oh wow
daring ember
to be completely fair, not many cities are going to reach 100k+ population
but still, game is very limited in that sense
code just breaks and sims stop spawning
like their physical copy
they still exist as a number
they are counted by the simulation
frozen prairie
That's why this is empty
daring ember
oh and also, if you want to solve traffic - go above 400k
coz 90% of cars are going to despawn
even if there is no jams
so could say that simulation optimisations are broken too
daring ember
to be completely fair, not many cities are going to reach 100k+ population
But again,
and major issues don't start until 150k~ (the worst being simulation speed)
frozen prairie
But it still works mostly fine before 150k?
daring ember
cars despawn even at 0 pop. if the game thinks it would optimise the simulation
there is already a mod to prevent that though
which actually makes game feel more natural
with all the jams and just traffic itself
daring ember
But it still works *mostly* fine before 150k?
well...
some people reported that after reaching 80k~ it won't matter the speed you put the simulation at as it all gonna be the same
but ig the hardware also a factor here
daring ember
but ig the hardware also a factor here
once again, simulation is definitely broken
and some components of the game just... don't work together??? like what??? public transport only influences the amount of taxis spawning and not traffic itself???
frozen prairie
some people reported that after reaching 80k~ it won't matter the speed you put ...
Yikes, CPP is only at about 40k in his series, and there isn't even that much high density stuff and it's more rural rn
daring ember
must say it doesn't prevent me from enjoying the game
what really does is my lack of creativity and inability to implement my plans as the sound in my head :p
frozen prairie
Both good and bad points, I hope they fix this stuff now that they are doing bug patches again
daring ember
like their physical copy
pulled from CS2 modding hub (noticed completely randomly lol)
the guy is sleeping don't you see
that's again to that matter that sims exist in both states
physical and numeral
numeral for calculation and physical for the picture
sometimes they bug out and don't show properly
don't represent their numeral copy
||(BUT THAT'S JUST ME THEORY OF HOW STUFF WORKS)||
frozen prairie
But how often does stuff like that affect main gameplay?
daring ember
and some components of the game just... don't work together??? like what??? publ...
.
frozen prairie
Ah right
daring ember
sims have a path to take
to get somewhere
for example from home to job
what happens is that they magically appear at the place of their job as a number (statistic)
when their physical copy takes a route (sim is already working there, those two are bound, yet don't fully represent each other)
frozen prairie
Oh jeez
daring ember
it is really weird and hard to explain and may not be 100% accurate
this is as far as community knows
can't really check all the code and functions, yk
celestia knows how it actually works
frozen prairie
Well, half broken game is still better then no game
Tho they def should've spent more time on it
daring ember
I actually been thinking of returning to CS1
as there my actions actually do something
like how I reduced all the traffic in my most recent city with a good metro system
And CS1 has so much more stuff
plus natural disasters are actually fun there
BUT
I just can't bring myself to lose this level of graphics (not the best, but way better than the first game)
to lose this road building system
to return back to CS1 brokenass traffic simulation
frozen prairie
Well whatever you decide, I can't wait to see your awesome city
frozen prairie
You have the save on the workshop?
frozen prairie
Aww nice mate
I need to get back in to CS
I can worry much less about mods and such because of no major game updates now
daring ember
oh yeah updating the mods was pain in the ass
frozen prairie
Thankfully Skyve has a CSI version too
frozen prairie
Interesting Zoning pattern there
daring ember
frozen prairie
Looking good!
frozen prairie
Love that lower shot
daring ember
im manually adding buildings since I want this to work.
adding level 1 buildings so the game is fair
daring ember
frozen prairie
Does anyone who watches CPP listen to Master Planned Music outside of his videos?
blissful comet
I never knew where he got his music from.
frozen prairie
The Master Planned Music he makes himself actually
It's free to use in anyones videos and such with credit
blissful comet
oooh
daring ember
glass lily
Idk why but that land formation just makes me think that this is the state of florida but real tiny
daring ember
frozen prairie
Idk why but that land formation just makes me think that this is the state of fl...
It's not! I promise!
daring ember
daring ember
frozen prairie
I don't think I've ever been hyped for a mod for a game I don't own, but wow...
frozen prairie
https://youtu.be/19_cTYVsFd4
Wait, are the assets baked into the mod or are they opening assets on Paradox Mods?
blissful comet
frozen prairie
Just mess around a bit until something clicks, that usually helps me
blissful comet
I like that building.
frozen prairie
Is that the old map?
daring ember
Is that the old map?
I downloaded new version coz the old one is broken
frozen prairie
Ah alright
daring ember
Is that the old map?
Im doing a lot of detailing to make it look decent
oops
wrong reply
daring ember
I like that building.
.
the pain of working with stuff on the slopes in this game...
btw this path is functional
daring ember
daring ember
daring ember
frozen prairie
Oh that's an awesome bridge
frozen prairie
What? Why?
frozen prairie
That is quite the breakage there...
frozen prairie
Do you know what happened? Maybe you could report the bug
daring ember
ah yes...
and this, that I use to reset my lut and haven't updated in month is broken
like wtf
daring ember
what looks better?
frozen prairie
I like the roundabout
daring ember
yeah, I think this is gud
daring ember
so is this a good layout?
blissful comet
Should be good to start with. You'll eventually want another connection to the highway, or else things will get bottlenecked, but it's not bad for now.
daring ember
found a way to make this intersection look more decent
frozen prairie
Woah, neat!
daring ember
currently figuring this out rn
daring ember
I think this is neat.
frozen prairie
It is
frozen prairie
Ooooo!
daring ember
found a use for that space
I think it turned out well, I'll add more detailing to the grassy part later
frozen prairie
Looks cool
daring ember
daring ember
daring ember
man.
city has 2 connections to the outside world
but for some fucking reason probably coz this game is broken and pathfinding is ass they all use only 1
coz it is the shortest route
daring ember
this asset is so gorgeous
daring ember
frozen prairie
Amazing shot
