Factorio

[amber bluff]

Hey onosa did you see da choo choo

[subtle ferry]

Yeah

Good work

The iron with train tracks looks good too, chip

[amber bluff]

Alright try not to get run over by the train now

[solar fable]

[solar fable]

I might jump in for a few minutes to see what is up.

[slender storm]

Things have happened

Starting to see growth

Please don't mind my horrific personal queue. I know.

[solar fable]

Very good.

[thorn venture]

lol holy crap you're making speed module 1's by hand?

[slender storm]

We still don't have proper production of several products set up yet

And I was doing that while doing other stuff

[lavish merlin]

buggers were also a problem but now have decreased their buggerness lol

[slender storm]

But yes, I'm aware that's horrifically bad

[thorn venture]

when I have something like that, I'll just plop down a few assemblers and box-feed them. Like not for 2 speed modules, but for sure for 50.

[slender storm]

Same, but in this case I would've had to do that for copper wire and red advanced circuits in sequence and I just didn't have the patience for fiddling around for that while I was doing unrelated stuff in the meantime and being afk for a bit. shrug

[heady fulcrum]

It's fewer clicks to shift click the speed 1 icon and wait

If anything, there should be a mod that automates away the process of putting down your assembly machines to craft stuff

[slender storm]

Honestly in this case I didn't actually plan on doing 50, but I literally didn't notice the count in my queue until too many intermediate products had been made and I'm not intersted in making a mess haha

[thorn venture]

ahh yeah I see

[slender storm]

That's called blueprints and logistics bots

[heady fulcrum]

Those still take clicks

I want a mod that when I craft something counts the assembling machines in my inventory and queues up that many parallel craft jobs (up to like 4)

[solar fable]

Currently expanding eastward to make room for a train waiting area. Spitters are now starting to threaten the factory.

[dire trout]

i will be able to join again tomorrow evening, looking forward to it!

[solar fable]

Research has been prioritised to laser turrets. They will outrange the spitters.

[solar fable]

Laser turrets now available.

[lavish merlin]

Advanced Oil Processing obtained.

[solar fable]

And now I go sleep. Good night.

[lavish merlin]

I may or may not have expanded the uhh... solar farm thingy.... heh

[heady fulcrum]

Why's it walled off?

Biters tend to just ignore solar panels unless they're blocking the way to polluting machines

[midnight sapphire]

they're next to mining drills so i can see them deciding they need to attack em

[midnight sapphire]

robots researched

[heady fulcrum]

Well you ought to wall in the drills too

[midnight sapphire]

funny lag means i cant clear biter nests well, but one expanded into where i was trying to make

i can rush utility science for artillary honest

[subtle ferry]

Really great progress! That's awesome

[midnight sapphire]

i set it up to make a 4 red belt smelting array that the mining arrays will deffo 100% be able to sate

that i'll work on later

[midnight sapphire]

yeah, i cant use vehicles or clear bases

[subtle ferry]

Let's make this printer 🖨️
https://youtu.be/etxV4pqVRm8?si=qRxjfob6AN5qq2Bb

[lavish merlin]

welp, I died like three times, and two cars blew up so thats cool

there goes all my stuff lmao

[midnight sapphire]

just gotta rush utility science and send ranged greetings to the biters that way

[lavish merlin]

we can't

we're getting bombarded with grubs

I had to fix like seven sections of defense

[midnight sapphire]

is that on the little corner to the right? we could just send some oil down there and bombard flame turrets

[lavish merlin]

oh great, oilbase is getting attacked

[midnight sapphire]

or someone with better connection could go wacky with some nades

[lavish merlin]

...?

what

[midnight sapphire]

this was a joke

[lavish merlin]

I don't get it

[midnight sapphire]

someone could get a bunch of grenades and a car and go ham

[lavish merlin]

the grenades only do so much, I tried doing that to get my shit back. lost grenades in the process

they've gotten super strong

anyhoo, gonna have to build two cars and remake my stuff since the stuff I lost is close to a hive 💀

[midnight sapphire]

they shouldnt have much explosive defence, upgrading the ammo line to piercing ammo could help though

[lavish merlin]

we don't have anything, this is still somewhat early

[midnight sapphire]

i know, piercing ammo is like t1 research isnt it?

[lavish merlin]

idk specifics

all I know is that gun don't seem to do much

[midnight sapphire]

ye, its the red ammo

[lavish merlin]

the red ammo barely did a dent

lmao

[midnight sapphire]

fair

you could try a flamethrower, some of the capsules we unlocked (or can unlock by researching the blue potion military tech) and the combat shotgun

[lavish merlin]

I rather not waste more resources.

I'm not sure how effective it is either.

and I rather just make sure the factory is singing

[subtle ferry]

Oh we've got oil for days, shouldn't be a problem

Very lucky spawn in that regard

[lavish merlin]

well the oil facility is being slammed dunked atm

grub bastards

[midnight sapphire]

making sure the factory isnt burnt to the ground is a pretty good use of resources

[lavish merlin]

had to double the wall, create a substation because dear god too many broken poles, and pretty much added lasers. Somehow it needs more.

[midnight sapphire]

the tradeoff on lasers is that theyre weak so you need a shit tonne

[solar fable]

A two-turret thick wall (gun followed by laser) could help here.

[lavish merlin]

kinda feel overwhelmed tbh.

Also whoever made this structure, its part of the grub dominion now.

[midnight sapphire]

it was always grub dominion, its construction ghosts for planning

[solar fable]

I could jump in but I do need to limit how long I can be there.

[midnight sapphire]

i'll also hop on for a bit, but i cant do combat due to lag

[subtle ferry]

I just got off work so I'll jump on for a bit.

[lavish merlin]

thanks onosa for helpin

[subtle ferry]

🗽

[solar fable]

Rail network is expanded now.

[lavish merlin]

Bricks and landfill also now have their place, and defenses have gone up.

Unfortunately, we're in a bit of a pickle. We ran out of oil and are also running out of coal, which means... no power.

[amber bluff]

There was a coal patch south that we could use

[lavish merlin]

Can't use that one.

Buggers are there now.

[amber bluff]

simply commit violence

[lavish merlin]

We are pretty tight right now.

They're really really strong for whatever reason.

I tried using rockets and that barely hurt them.

[amber bluff]

mind sending a map screenshot?

[solar fable]

Going to need more than two fighting to handle the nests.

[amber bluff]

Blue buggers out yet?

[lavish merlin]

yes, we have blue

[slender storm]

“Can I get you blue”

[lavish merlin]

this is the safest one but furtherst apart.

We were gonna get the one on north above us but...

[amber bluff]

we need to get the extra oil

simply because flamers

sort of getting to the point of flamers + staggering

[lavish merlin]

well, that's gonna be quite the trip heh

[subtle ferry]

No nest is too big, no oil is too far for our engineers

[solar fable]

We have landfill now. We can build a land bridge.

[amber bluff]

do we have tanks

[lavish merlin]

no

we don't have any drone systems in place

nor spiderbots

[amber bluff]

simply make some tanks and explosive shells for said tanks

[lavish merlin]

have we even unlocked tanks?

[amber bluff]

flame tanks are also super fuckin gud

[solar fable]

We do have defender capsules unlocked.

[subtle ferry]

We haven't unlocked tanks yet

So, I set it as the research

[lavish merlin]

Its gonna take a while though

egh

[subtle ferry]

less qq more pew pew

Let's kill some bugs

[lavish merlin]

can't help but be nervous bout it lol

[thorn venture]

man y'all keep tempting me to join and I just don't have the ability to be not taking care of the baby long enough to jump in and bust out my madd sk1llz

[slender storm]

Apologies for any latency while we downloaded/unlocked Starfield

[amber bluff]

I'd be on helping more but I be working hard

[solar fable]

I would still be there but I need a break.

[lavish merlin]

same

I've been playing too long now

[subtle ferry]

darn, I have to go. I cut the nest down quite a bit but didn't quite finish it off. It's not that big. The base has zero power atm. We have enough supplies to take out the nest next to the coal deposit up north and get going again. no worries.

[subtle ferry]

I hear ya. I hopped on ready to kill some bugs and had to stop after, like, 10 minutes

[thorn venture]

ahhhh why not? Can you whitelist LotharBot and I might jump in when I have a chance

[slender storm]

Done

Oh huh, looks like we have power problems

Also biter problems

[solar fable]

[slender storm]

No power at all at the moment

Ran out of coal it looks like

[subtle ferry]

We have enough supplies to take out the nest next to the coal deposit up north and get going again. no worries.

[solar fable]

Yeah.

[subtle ferry]

it ain't pretty but it's something.

[solar fable]

So this is all a belt back to the base?

[subtle ferry]

yep

it's a very ugly scar that will need to be fixed

but, I was hand feeding the power plants what coal we had on the belts

i was desprate, lol

[solar fable]

Makes sense. I can run rails to it once things stabilise.

[amber bluff]

lol

[subtle ferry]

Base is operational again. We had a major attack down south while I was up north. The military science supply chain took a huge hit before I could get back to base. There was no power, so the guns weren't being refilled with bullets, and eventually ran out.
Also, blue science isn't moving at all. Not sure what's going on there.
Otherwise, we're back in business. We're getting plenty of coal from the new outpost.
I suggest securing the outpost further. I surrounded it with guns and walls, but there is a nest just to the west of it that needs to go.

[dire trout]

i fell asleep and then other things came up that needed my attention

i wanted to play tonight

[solar fable]

Aww.

There is tomorrow at least.

[dire trout]

yus

[solar fable]

Or today I guess. Time zones.

I would jump in now, but I need a drawing break.

[thorn venture]

I just hopped out of the game. What I accomplished:

• killed all 4-5 biter bases to the south that were harassing us
• killed one significant biter base to the north that kept sending attacks
• unfortunately, used most of the available explosives to build rockets to do it

[solar fable]

Bought us breathing room, so that is what matters.

[thorn venture]

how did I do it you might ask? I grabbed some walls and gates, a wad of turrets, and I'd just build a little temporary block of like a dozen turrets with a wall and gate just outside of rocket range of a biter base, load them all up with 200 mags, and then step out through my little gate and fire 3 rockets to kill a nest, step back, let the turrets kill the biters, and repeat. (Small worms are 1 rocket, medium are 3, and big are 6-7 which is why it took so many rockets total)

[solar fable]

Sounds similar to my approach in previous playthroughs minus the rockets.

[thorn venture]

also it looks like the petroleum base is only feeding into fuel cubes. Everything else -- explosives, blue potions, etc. -- is being starved. I don't like trying to fully debug other peoples' stuff

rockets are great because you can get enough damage off to totally kill a nest before the responding enemies can get close enough to attack you

[solar fable]

That was done because the coal reserves were running low at the time.

It can be fixed now given the new coal mine that was set up.

[thorn venture]

if the explosives maker is back to running next time I'm in, I'll make another couple batches of rockets and clear out the rest of the biter bases within our pollution cloud

[midnight sapphire]

that'll cover the day, now i just gotta make accumulators

i always forget how cheap solar is in vanilla

[midnight sapphire]

we need a violence spree again

also our fuel based power systems are now on a power switch to only turn on when out of other power

[heady fulcrum]

Just turn off the factory until the pollution shrinks

[midnight sapphire]

theres also these ones that are attacking now

and thats all i got time for

[midnight sapphire]

i temp turned off the solid fuel and swapped back to coal so we have litterally any oil for everything else that needs it

[thorn venture]

Is the explosives maker running? (I better go catch it)

[midnight sapphire]

everything that was running on oil that wasn't the solid fuel was being starved out

[midnight sapphire]

oil is very much our primary chokepoint

[thorn venture]

ok, hopping in and hopefully killing more biters

oh I see ... we have a huge coal mine, and a tiny oil mine, and yet we're spending oil on fuel cubes to run our smelters. So nothing that uses oil-centric products is running. I think we need to actually cut off fuel cube production and feed the smelters with coal (or replace with electric furnaces) which are both tasks I'm not ready to take on at this time.

[dire trout]

Earlier on, we weren't using the oil for much, so cubes were made to use the excess, but since then oil demand has increased, so switching the cubes off is probably prudent until we hook up another oil source

[midnight sapphire]

we should replace all furnaces with electric 100%

i resetup the oil so most of its going to the non-fuel cube (its just using its back supply currently on cube) we just have trash garbo oil

all of them are down to like 3 oil per whatever the measure is

[thorn venture]

yeah, oil really can't be used for fuel cubes early game. It's too rare of a resource. Unless you get a ridiculous spawn with multiple good oil patches.

if we have enough oil to make explosives, and therefore I can make enough rockets, I can go kill biters and then possibly help take that next oil patch to the northeast (landfill across the lake? Is that pipeline distance or should it be a train?)

[midnight sapphire]

100% train

the settings look like a railworld setup, so the world is literally designed for basically railling everything

[thorn venture]

ok, I made a circuit all the way around the base and killed every biter nest that was inside our current pollution cloud. Also walled in the big oil base to the northeast, built a land bridge to it, and started up pumpjacks and storage. It's ready to have rail set up.

[midnight sapphire]

we're now using our oil much more efficiently

[thorn venture]

bringing it in from the distant base?

that should kickstart our blue research big time

[midnight sapphire]

not yet, the base was being to starved to bring the oil in

[thorn venture]

ok. Once that oil does get brought in, we should have much higher production

I'm not really good at trains, but I think I'll jump in and at least see if I can lay track out to the new oil base and set up a stop

[midnight sapphire]

we have bots! the system shouldn't auto refil above a set amount

[solar fable]

Great news.

[midnight sapphire]

the current hives roboports are palced pretty randomly so will probably need moving later

power time

[thorn venture]

I've built a giant north wall and put defenses along it (not like super buff defenses, but that far out it's not likely to be seeing attacks -- the pollution cloud doesn't go that far.) Needs a few more laser turrets in the gaps in the northeast.

I can do the same at the south but I'd want to have a specific spot for the wall picked out first.

Current bottleneck appears to be copper. There's a big copper mine not far north of main that could be taken. It's already basically defended due to being north of main and south of the giant wall, so could be taken with a minimum of effort.

[subtle ferry]

Current bottleneck appears to be copper.
On it.

[thorn venture]

I'd be willing to continue the "build a giant defensive perimeter" project if we're cool with these approximate locations or if someone proposes an alternative

[subtle ferry]

lgtm

[thorn venture]

also I suggest that if we build giant solar/accumulator arrays, the space north of the stone mine is absolutely useless so that would be a great area to build big clumps of solar. (Seriously, there's no resources up there, no forests to speak of, just empty space.)

[subtle ferry]

Was all the railroad tracks hand crafted? I can't find an assembler/chest for it

[solar fable]

I believe they were. I still have a lot in my inventory from what I remember.

I can briefly log in and dump them into a chest.

[subtle ferry]

don't trouble yourself

[solar fable]

Good luck up there.

[midnight sapphire]

ye,the power arrays are only where they are since its close to what made em

[solar fable]

https://factorio.com/blog/post/fff-374

Smarter robots.

[subtle ferry]

Well, I built a very basic train system between our base and the copper up north. I tried to make it fancy like the stone trains are but I couldn't figure it out. The important thing is that our copper bottleneck is resolved.

[solar fable]

I can help fix that up but it is good to hear we have some decent copper supply now.

[subtle ferry]

I would appreciate it.

[solar fable]

Later tonight I shall pop in.

[subtle ferry]

Oh and I guess the copper mine is wholely unprotected. I meant to do that but I had to hop off.

[solar fable]

Understandable.

[subtle ferry]

nm I defended it enough for a base that's inside the wall

it's because I had one of the trains backwards. That would have explained the weird behavior I was seeing. Silly me.

[thorn venture]

the defensive wall has been completed, like, all the way around the base. There are probably some spots I didn't build as well as others, but overall it's a very significant defensive wall.

Our current bottleneck is that we simply don't produce blue research very fast. I'm not really good at building that kind of thing, but I can tell that's where the bottleneck is.

It's completely reasonable to remove the interior wall if anyone wants to build a larger blue research area.

[thorn venture]

@slender storm can my wife play too? Her Factorio name is Drakona

[slender storm]

Added

[lavish merlin]

I crave for the machines.

[solar fable]

I have been messing with trains for over two hours now.

[slender storm]

I like this random ammo casing at the end of our blue circuit bus line.

[thorn venture]

lol press F
(no really press F to pick it up so it's not infecting the line.)

[slender storm]

Already did

FYI for all: We’re about to get attacked by large waves of bugs

I just did a bit of shoring up of the defenses, but we have at least six nests starting to attack. Identified at least three to the east, one to the northwest, two to the west.

Western defenses are weak

I’m going to bed now, though

It’s good that we have a laser turret factory

[marsh elk]

Need to build a Big Bertha train. The ultimate defense.
https://youtu.be/lLwUq2XD9Cw

[midnight sapphire]

this base is causing problem

also these, the gun-laser spacing cant really fight off even small waves at this point due to evolution

i have created a crime against nature

also known as a tileable smelting array that can theoretically process 4 blue belts of metal at a time though it doesnt have its beacons atm as that would take to much power, and it can also only cart out 3 lines

this was something we definetly needed on the server

[midnight sapphire]

the factory is browning out which is less than ideal

[subtle ferry]

I think it's time to go nuclear

[midnight sapphire]

probably,but i got other things i wanna and gotta do today

i put down a bunch more solar blueprints as a patch

[subtle ferry]

I was offering to do it

[midnight sapphire]

even better

[subtle ferry]

Oh someone already started on nuclear!

Nice!

Dude, this new train network is insane! Great job

[midnight sapphire]

the smelter columns now individually turn themselves off if they aren't processing something

[subtle ferry]

I've started the kovarex process. Waiting on some more u-235 at the moment. I'm going to set up the power plant. Once completed, it'll produce 5 times the power our base consumes atm.

This is the setup I'm using. I've used it on my private server and it was very good. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkpHPl5rex8

[subtle ferry]

She's alive!

[thorn venture]

I normally build a smelter at the remote mine. 1 miner per furnace. Metal plates are twice as efficient to transport. Steel even moreso.

[midnight sapphire]

cool, it litterally isnt

steel sure, nothing else is, due to using productivity modules

[thorn venture]

https://wiki.factorio.com/Cargo_wagon

[midnight sapphire]

productivity modules make a huge difference, setup is much more effort etc, i guess it is defo less important to package ores when not playing modded but still

[thorn venture]

I find it easier to set up smelters with the mine than trying to keep a dropoff smelter of the appropriate size. Ymmv

[midnight sapphire]

are you gonna input more than 4 blue belts of metal?

its also tileable so you can just put another down, since they have the same name it will pickup and drop off from all of the ones named the same

[thorn venture]

yeah, IDK, I'm just saying what I normally do and why, and now that's two comments where you seem to have an attitude.

[midnight sapphire]

your reading way more subtext than there is, text is text

[thorn venture]

Text always has subtext and context, and we live in a cultural context where "it literally isn't" and incredulous questions are used to end conversation rather than to invite it.

but whatever. I'm saying what I normally do and why. It's a cooperative game with a lot of people doing their own things, and if I'm not running the smelters, whoever is running them should build what they like.

[subtle ferry]

Lothar you're not god's gift to the server, please quit acting like it.

[thorn venture]

wow. K.

[subtle ferry]

The whole reason I thought I could enjoy this server was because everyone who was interested in player have been in a position where someone who knows everything was telling them how to build the factory.

[thorn venture]

and now you're reading more into what I'm saying than is actually there.

We're all doing our best to build things, and people are offering commentary into what they do differently. I build defenses, and people comment about how some section or other will need buffed up. My wife builds a nuclear plant, and you share a video about the nuclear design you use. I comment about how I like to smelt at the source because I like the denser transport and being able to size each smelter to each mine, and I find it easier, and ... IDK why that's different.

[subtle ferry]

Ah, shoot. If I'd of known Drakona was the one who started the nuclear I would have left it be. Didn't mean to step in on their first project. I assumed it was DeviantXS for some reason.

At least, without talking about it with her first

[thorn venture]

it's not a problem that you're adding to or modifying it. We expected that if the game progressed enough before she got on next, someone else would have to buff it up to 4+ reactors, and there are plenty of designs that are equally effective and possibly a little more material-efficient or a better fit for the space.

I think we're all trying to find the balance between building things the way we know how, trying to improve things that we see as not up to the task, and trying not to step on anyone's toes. For example, I haven't replaced the original steel smelter with electric furnaces because I think I'd have to move some other things around and I'm not comfortable interfering with what other people are trying to do at that part of the base, but I did take out a big defensive wall so my wife could build the new blue/purple potion area because that's no longer the outer base wall, and I also asked others on the server for permission to take out the blueprinted-but-not-really-built I-think-it-was-a-smelter that wasn't yet built so we could put in that blue/purple area (and I think we've now taken plenty of space to allow for a mega-smelter to be built pretty much anywhere.)

I do apologize if I seem to be stepping on anyone's toes either with my builds or with my commentary. I'm not trying to tell anyone what to do, just trying to do my best to contribute and hoping to have some useful insights.

[subtle ferry]

Fair enough. No worries. I'm sorry, too. I've been told I tend to take neutral commentary as demeaning commentary.

[dire trout]

i think i might be better suited to play on a server with fewer people that play when i can play, that aren't way more advanced than i am at this. i feel like the server has reached the limits of my knowledge and the bugs seems too critical for me to mess around and figure stuff out. also the one thing i really did i was told that it wasn't needed for early game.

[heady fulcrum]

Just make a small base on the side

[subtle ferry]

For what it's worth, I think the base is at the perfect place to explore any ideas you may have. It's secure and we have a good supply of everything. We just got bots, so constructing a mall would be a good task.

[slender storm]

Indeed, all input and help is welcome. The setups don’t need to be the best possible thing, just have fun

I’m not dealing with the biters, I’m leaving that up to others who are better at combat. The most I’m doing in that regard is just setting up more walls and laser turrets.

[slender storm]

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[solar fable]

We all have our niches. Seems mine is fiddling with the train network.

[subtle ferry]

I don't understand signals still

[solar fable]

They do require a bit of study, but I think you can get a hang of it.

[slender storm]

Me neither, I have kinda avoided dealing with them

[subtle ferry]

I watched Dosh's video about them but without actually doing it myself, it never solidified in my brain

I just need practice

[midnight sapphire]

they're super simple

[subtle ferry]

No you

[midnight sapphire]

they're mini go here signals that only one train can take at a time

[subtle ferry]

Okay but, does it matter which side the signal is on?

Do you need to place them far away from each other?

Do you need to consider breaking speed

[midnight sapphire]

breaking speed it considers automatically

you can have them as close together if you want, it will just claim multiple if needed, i usually have 4 train parts long

[subtle ferry]

Ooo

So, let's pretend there is a + intersection. Would you need 4 or 8 signals total?

[midnight sapphire]

the side matters, it will show you which way the train can come from when you have a placement

[solar fable]

The trains drive such that the signal is on their right side.

[solar fable]

I have been spacing out the signals for five-car (plus one locomotive) trains in the network so far.

[midnight sapphire]

i refuse to memorise this, i'm hovering a signal in this ion here, you can see the yellow arrows

thats the way the train goes

if you have them on both sides they can use the track to go both ways, if theres signals on 1 side, it refuses to use the track to go the wrong way

[midnight sapphire]

that makes sense

[subtle ferry]

Oh!

[midnight sapphire]

intersections can be more complicated, or you can just put one on every entrance like i did here and slow down the train network a bit, you can see what sections cover what through the coloured batches

i'd usually have them fancier than this but i'm not using my blueprints on this server that i made for everywhere else

[subtle ferry]

Remember that time I put the locomotive on the track backwards? That's where I'm at

[solar fable]

Have to start somewhere.

[subtle ferry]

Trueee

[dire trout]

ok i'll poke around and see if i can do anything

[subtle ferry]

Yay!

We passed the AC

[midnight sapphire]

also, the easy way to make sure you put the trains down to go forward is that they lock onto stations if you put place them nearby

which it doesnt if you need to rotate it

[subtle ferry]

[heady fulcrum]

What does this face mean?

[midnight sapphire]

you really dont need anything complicated, this was by far the most used intersection on mine and flitters space ex save

that processed the core miner outputs which was like 90% of the bases materials

and like, those trains covered most of the base

also i forgot how mad i went with solar panels

[subtle ferry]

It means the real solution is to just use my friggin eyeballs to see which way it's facing. Something I neglected to do for, like, an hour.

[subtle ferry]

What are those six lanes on the left? Places to hold trains but how do they work

[heady fulcrum]

A stacker

The trains will all wait their turn to enter the station

[solar fable]

I scattered a few of those things throughout the train network, mainly on the newer stations since there was space.

[heady fulcrum]

This just allows a queue while you unload

(you should be using green inserters to minimize queues, after you unlock them)

[midnight sapphire]

theres a bunch of signals here, they're trying to path to the train station, they can't because the stations full, so they wait at the last one available, which is there

this is a chain signal which basically just extends the one in front of it, which is just the stations themselves

[solar fable]

The chain signals are what allow the stackers to work.

[subtle ferry]

Very helpful ty

[heady fulcrum]

I love it when others learn about trains

Means I can play with them and it's their job

[midnight sapphire]

we'll have you playing pythagadons in no time

[heady fulcrum]

And I can keep doing my no-fuel conveyer belts everywhere

[dire trout]

i'm starting to build the robot logistics

[solar fable]

The bots will rise up once more.

[thorn venture]

where we're at:
(1) we now have all 6 non-rocket research colors and almost all of the tech
(2) we have lots of resources coming in from distant bases, sometimes by belt and sometimes by train. The new steel base we built to the north needs to be connected up to the main line, probably via rail.
(3) huge defensive walls. Not with heavy defenses, but with a lot of space covered. Some of us have top-tier armor and have been stomping on biters, so there's not much causing problems any more.
(4) 8 total nuclear reactors online and fueled, along with substantial solar, so we have close to 1.21 jiggawatts of power available.
(5) I'm curious to see what direction different people take the game at this stage. Giant smelters and multiple trains to saturate the base? Signals and balancers? Build the rocket? Spidertron rampages? Building more efficient or larger-scale parts of the base? I don't know. This is where I'm definitely going to start seeing things I don't normally see, and that's fun.

[dire trout]

rocket silo

[subtle ferry]

Don't forget to put a fish in the first payload!

[dire trout]

i have no idea how it works

it needs to build rocket parts first apparently

i've been hooking up the logistics network

most things now go to passive provider chests

i've started using some requester chests here and there, gradually adding stuff

and i'm getting the hang of storage and buffer chests

[midnight sapphire]

they're another thing thats pretty simple once you get used to them

[slender storm]

Imma put in a feesh

[dire trout]

we have now unloced all techs

well, except the incremental ones

[slender storm]

I didn't know that was a requirement

Dammit

[subtle ferry]

It's unlikely any of us will get any achievements then. Bummer

[dire trout]

33% rocket progress

there's fish and a satellite ready to load

[slender storm]

Rocket is ready

[subtle ferry]

Yoooo!!!

We killed 31 big rocks. That's something to be proud of

[dire trout]

now we build more rockets

[subtle ferry]

Space science!!

[dire trout]

what's the benefit of the kovarex enrichment? it looks like it turns 40 U-235 and 5 U-238 into 41 U-235 and 2 U-238. This seems like it uses up valuable U-238

[solar fable]

The U-235 is the important stuff since it is much rarer to get from ore.

[dire trout]

oooooooh

i thought it was the other way around

[solar fable]

U-238's utility is for uranium ordinance.

[heady fulcrum]

It's glowing because it's good

[subtle ferry]

It glows because it knows what it's worth is 💪

[dire trout]

i was adding in spent fuel reprocessing

[solar fable]

I see.

[dire trout]

ok the nuclear power plants, specifically the uranium post-processing, should be fully automated now, the spent fuel cells now aren't piling up, and the fuel cell assembler has a steady supply of stuff from the logistics

[slender storm]

Or a bit more zoomed out

[solar fable]

Looks like I need to add a passenger station in the southeast.

[slender storm]

Behemoths have just started to spawn.

We'll need to start thinking about artillery.

[heady fulcrum]

What's your goal for the game to end?

[dire trout]

when we get tired of it i guess

[heady fulcrum]

Ah, usually I prefer to have scenarios with preset conditions like mods and settings, as well as an end I can work towards, but that makes sense too

[slender storm]

If we decide to restart with a mod like space exploration let me know

There's a list of mods I'd like to add

[heady fulcrum]

I think it's best to not go immediately for space exploration. Simpler mod packs make for an easier transition

[slender storm]

I've played it before but I don't know how many people here have

But yeah it is much more difficult and multiplies the play time by like 10x

[dire trout]

i'm glad i gave it another go tonight

turns out there was stuff i could do after all

[solar fable]

The trains will run a bit better now.

[slender storm]

It was a gigantic pain but I have a new pet now

Don't feed him after midnight

[vivid tiger]

@slender storm dies Factorio have difficulty settings?

[heady fulcrum]

Yes

Very configurable settings

[marsh elk]

You can turn off the bugs completely or just make them passive where they never attack but you still have to deal with them if you want to expand.

[heady fulcrum]

You can customize difficulty in many ways other than biters

[slender storm]

You can adjust how the world terrain is generated or how resouces are generated

[vivid tiger]

Ah right. What would you say your difficulty is at?

Like with all the stuff turned on

[slender storm]

This session we’re playing has the default settings, except resources are boosted 25% and the enemies are toned down 15%

If we decide to do another session with mods I’ll probably turn resources up some more

[vivid tiger]

Oooh

[heady fulcrum]

I like the Krastorio 2 resource thing

Where they all become like oil

Slowly deplete until you get a minimal base amount out of each tile

Makes it so you never dismantle mines. Instead you swap productivity or speed modules for efficiency

K2 is also a common mod to mix in with Space Exploration that makes it a lot easier and more accessible, though it does significantly mess with balance

[maiden furnace]

K-SPEX makes everything even more complex on top of what SPEX already does

but also "balance"

SPEX isn't balanced it's a time sink

[thorn venture]

hopping back in the game pretty soon

[solar fable]

Rail network to the circuit factory in-progress is now there.

[thorn venture]

neat. We're hooking up the outputs to the main bus. Hope to have not messed anything up.

[solar fable]

[thorn venture]

me and Tallonrain, and then DeviantXS and me, went rampaging in spidertrons and now there aren't many biters nearby:

rocket launches are quite a bit faster now. There are about 20x more rocket control units being built (out to the east.) Research is going really fast now.

[slender storm]

I found a little issue with blue science generation and patched it

[solar fable]

I got the big iron patch to the east connected to the factory now.

[thorn venture]

We're at the phase of the game where the main thing left to do is just scale up. On that note: is the Magnus J smelter spoken for? If not, I could potentially take one of these very-large iron mines (there's a 24m inside the wall to the north) and feed the smelter, and then have that feed our main bus. Which is really a multi-part task -- setting up the mine, setting up the train from the mine to the smelter, and then the train or belts from the smelter to the main base.

[slender storm]

We could start over and try a modded game if people are up for it.

[maiden furnace]

K-SPEX you say?

[midnight sapphire]

it would be fun

i dont suppose we could have progressive spidertrons if so, it will let me use vehicles on the other side of the planet

[slender storm]

Wouldn’t Krastorio² + Space Exploration be even harder than just Space Exploration by itself?

[heady fulcrum]

Easier

It is a bit more complex but also easier

[midnight sapphire]

its a mix of both, overall i would say it was easier in balance

its more fleshed out is the best way to think of it imo

[heady fulcrum]

Krastorio provides a bunch of alternative options, and keeps many of the Space Exploration options available

The SpaceEx developer likes to warn you if you implement some of the balance changes Krastorio makes like more convenient stack sizes

[maiden furnace]

they compliment I think, the QoL balance changes do make SPEX a tiny bit more bearable

also I reject any argument about balance, it's still SPEX and it'll be a few hundred hours

[slender storm]

I certainly wouldn’t want to push up the difficulty level to the point where the server pushes out anyone

[heady fulcrum]

I agree that I'd rather push the difficulty down

[slender storm]

But it would make sense to make it longer

Because we clearly just finished it in two days

[subtle ferry]

A good warm up

I dunno, space exploration sounds impossible to do alone, so I feel like this is the only time I'd even consider trying it.

[heady fulcrum]

Just Krastorio 2 might be a good warmup

[subtle ferry]

What's the tl;dr of that mod?

Was it featured on DoshDoshington

[maiden furnace]

Krastorio was featured on Dosh, I believe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4TIDFJaKrU

[subtle ferry]

Oh God

[heady fulcrum]

It's fine

[slender storm]

It kinda is impossible alone haha

It's for crazy people, but it's so good

[heady fulcrum]

It's the simplest total overhaul mod I'd recommend

[slender storm]

Assuming you want to finish it in less than 500 hours

[maiden furnace]

Animations are overhawled, 40 new buildings, 100 new techs to research, complete combat system overhaul, more fuel systems, radioactivity becomes a problem, science overhaul, new end-game goal

[slender storm]

I've never done Krastorio

But if it is not too much harder but adds more game time that might be the way to go

[maiden furnace]

a key feature of the new science system is that lower end science is not required for higher tier science

you start with brown cards, then red, green, etc., bunch of new science levels on top

IIRC there is also levels to the science lab, so you need to upgrade those eventually (SPEX does that too IIRC)

the advantage of the science system is that once you'Re done with, ie, green sciences, you can remove that entire section of your factory and concentrate on making the next level of cards

[heady fulcrum]

Disco labs

[maiden furnace]

oh also biters have proper creep now

you have to harvest it by hand, which helps keeping you involved in cleanign out biters

[heady fulcrum]

I definitely recommend a mod that slows down biter evolution

[maiden furnace]

(also biter creep is required for some sciences)

you can slow biter evolution during setup

[heady fulcrum]

Yeah, but not all components of it can be controlled as well as I like

Even at the most minimal non-stopped settings I ran into issues playing SpaceEx

[maiden furnace]

the answer is more gun

[heady fulcrum]

I'm kind of a pacifist

I only like to kill weak biters that won't struggle too hard

[maiden furnace]

that's a question of your nuclear payload size

[heady fulcrum]

Zero?

[maiden furnace]

should be noted if you want to try out Krastorio

DO NOT DECONSTRUCT YOUR SPACESHIP

[midnight sapphire]

i'd be fine with just turning off biter attacks to be fair, it always feels like busy work to me when doing modded

[maiden furnace]

the game puts the basic research lab and some early machines in there

if you deconstruct the spaceship, you will be suffering for the 3 hours it takes to recover from that

[heady fulcrum]

Oh yeah

I love turning off biter aggression

[maiden furnace]

I think it kinda ruins the fun

[heady fulcrum]

Yeah biters kinda ruin the fun

The pure unadulterated fun of visual programming

[maiden furnace]

I prefer just putting biters very very far away (large safezone) and putting down their evolution, then I can expand in peace until I'm ready

even in visual programming, the bugs won't wait for you

[slender storm]

I'm fine with either pacifist or just very turned down biters with a very very large safe zone

[maiden furnace]

also to note

Krastorio rebalances combat

simple rifle ammo is like 50x the amount of bullets

and they do 2x the damage

very tiny turret outposts can effectively handle very large biter invasions easily

and you get several options to remove pollution, so you don't really have to worry about biters

I recommend going through the dosh video as a decent overview over everything

[heady fulcrum]

And look at the startup settings

[dire trout]

i like the biters off or very far away; personally i like managing the factory lines and techs more than fighting and repairing all my hard-build shit

[slender storm]

Yeah I'm in the same boat

[heady fulcrum]

We can have Cultpony fight for us

[subtle ferry]

The funnest I had in the last run was when I had to get coal to the base before the bitters broke through again and ended everything. But, it's only fun because I succeeded. If I had failed, I would have felt responsible for the game ending for all of us

[heady fulcrum]

Exactly! The most fun I had with biters was with Bob's mods back when you could spam sniper turrets and destroy biters at any evolution

So I could regularly have them coming but never actually doing damage

They just become part of the factory

[maiden furnace]

I'm like just trying to caution that Krastorio very much makes biters a non-problem as long as you pay a tiny bit of attention

[heady fulcrum]

Yeah

[thorn venture]

we saved a copy of the game before logging off. It was really fun to make that kind of progress. Only thing I would have liked to see happen that didn't was we never made artillery (and this seems like an ideal setting to make an artillery wagon train that just drives around the outside of the base, pauses briefly at several points, unloads on everything, and then goes home to reload after a circuit. IDK if that actually works.)

[midnight sapphire]

that wouldn't be as useful in our save due to biters not expanding

[thorn venture]

Thanks everyone. I learned a lot from this game that I've incorporated into my own family server. Already getting better value out of our trains and nuclear plant.

[solar fable]

[slender storm]

Oh what mod is that?

Or is that like… an old screenshot?

[uneven swan]

K2

[uneven swan]

cool

[uneven swan]

Just like a squeezed sardine can.

[vivid tiger]

@slender storm there’s a demo?

[slender storm]

Yep

[vivid tiger]

I wonder how much it’ll have on it. I can see what it’s like before I buy the actual game.

Because the game looks good from what I’ve seen

[maiden furnace]

https://www.factorio.com/blog/post/fff-375

[subtle ferry]

man fridays are so much better with FFF back in my life

lmao that prelude

I'm very excited about this. Can't wait to try in with the new expansion comes out.

[heady fulcrum]

Is this like God Modules from bob's mods?

Oh it's an innate quality for each item

[uneven swan]

RTS mode

Mods used : AAI Programmable Vehicles

[uneven swan]

Nice UI design

[slender storm]

https://factorio.com/blog/post/fff-376

Another blog post

[slender storm]

Hm, I'm thinking of suspending our current game and putting the save file aside so we can start a new game with Krastorio along with a few other mods. Sound interesting?

In principle that should give us more game time before completion as well as new stuff to mess around with.

I've never done Krastorio before so that would be a learning experience.

[heady fulcrum]

Are you going to return to that game? Without a specific end game that game will be on the table forever

[slender storm]

I mean that’s sorta the point though isn’t it?

But I mean, I’d be able to switch it back if anyone wanted it

Or just post the save file

[heady fulcrum]

It's not my game but when I play multiplayer with friends it feels frustrating at times to have an incomplete game we could go back to but no one has the courage to ask for it

That being said I might be interested in playing a couple of hours if you start a Krastorio 2 run

[slender storm]

Well unfortunately I’m not able to run them in parallel

[heady fulcrum]

That makes sense, so the options are shutter it or run them in sequence,

[slender storm]

Yep

[dire trout]

Given how fast we went through the game as a group, I think a longer-form game would be cool. I helped at the very start and by the time I had time to play again we were launching rockets

[heady fulcrum]

Krastorio 2 will not be much longer than a vanilla playthrough. I think it took me about 40% longer

[slender storm]

I'd like to do Space Exploration because it's much longer but the endgame gets challenging.

[midnight sapphire]

i thought people had stopped playing on the server cus i stopped seeing people talk about it

[heady fulcrum]

Did they not?

[slender storm]

I think people stopped playing about a week ago

Basically because everything was done

So other than just arbitrarily scaling things up, there's nothing else to do

Which is why I'm really considering Space Exploration since that one goes on basically forever

[midnight sapphire]

go straight to pyanodons or seablock

[slender storm]

Pffft, I'd like it to be fun

[midnight sapphire]

seablock is relaxing when your not balled up in a corner crying because nothingsetup correctly

[heady fulcrum]

No biters, no stress, but also you have to wait twenty hours because you don't want to scale up too fast

[thorn venture]

yeah, I think what happened with the previous game is that we had enough different people playing at different times that if you went offline for the afternoon, the game was likely to have advanced way beyond what you last saw

like you could have logged off at "we need to take an oil expansion and we have a few blue potions" and logged back on at "we have 8 nuclear reactors, all of the research, and are building a rocket"

(but I don't think we'll play the next one -- Catherine's really busy with work -- and having 2 fewer people should slow things down quite a bit)

[dire trout]

The nuke plants getting set up really helped out down the road when i started the transition to power-hungry logistics bots

The only modification to the nuke plants i did was to automate the collection and reprocessing of the spent fuel

[uneven swan]

When you need the train to have reverse gear

[spice parrot]

it's a pretty common train setup

[spice parrot]

Krastorio increases complexity in the supply chain

on the other hand requiring rare minerals to make processing units is easier than 20 green circuits

7 days into Space Exploration and gunning for that Space Elevator

~ 2000 * 500 size space base with ~1.3M Scaffold tiles

[heady fulcrum]

https://factorio.com/blog/post/fff-377

[subtle ferry]

Very cool.

[slender storm]

Awesome

[subtle ferry]

I love that they are making these huge changes. Like, they aren't limiting themselves to what 1.0 does now. If they want to break the boundaries of today's factorio, they're doing it.

[uneven swan]

kestrel cruiser ?!

The stern is too similar

and outline

[heady fulcrum]

Yeah it's probably a reference

This is the default ship that you find in Space Exploration

[uneven swan]

and This is FTL Starter Ship.

Faster Than Light

[heady fulcrum]

Yes I know

[uneven swan]

oh

I'm a mod player of this game hehehe

[uneven swan]

"Canary prospector"

ship name

[maiden furnace]

https://factorio.com/blog/post/fff-378

[subtle ferry]

omg.... bridges!???

[heady fulcrum]

You can't say that

omg... bridget?! is a common phrase

[thorn venture]

I had always figured trains should stay on ground level but being able to build pedestrian bridges would be nice

[maiden furnace]

These are for the space expansion

And needed, SPEX already adds a few things so trains aren't a massive pain in the arse

[thorn venture]

yeah, I never build trains that complex anyway

[thorn venture]

" only available with the expansion executable [but ... will] be will one of the standalone official mods next to Quality and Space Age, so you can play a vanilla-like game with just the elevated rails"

Cool!

[heady fulcrum]

https://factorio.com/blog/post/fff-379

[subtle ferry]

Oh goodness, that first quote is brilliant.

Well not every FFF can be as exciting as loot boxes and a new railroad dimension. Fun read tho!

[dire trout]

I never did figure our how circuits work in factorio

Not that i spent very long on it, mind you

[midnight sapphire]

what you do is you make very complex systems to make it a pain for everyone that touches anything you make

[subtle ferry]

There is a 3 minute video about this that was helpful for me to understand the basics.

[dire trout]

And i have a degree in electrical engineering and everything!

[dire trout]

Yes i saw your stuff on the server

[midnight sapphire]

i have a degree in embedded engineering, which is litterally what this shit is on the hardware side

the thing on the server was basic memory storage, also known as what i had to design and make as part of a cpu on my degree

[dire trout]

I made a 4bit processor on an fpga in one of my classes, that was fun

[midnight sapphire]

neat

[dire trout]

I was one of only 2 people that actually got it working

[midnight sapphire]

we had to make a fully functional cpu, including ALU, CU and MU, along with control of peripherals, that could process machine code , i was also one of 2 people to get it fully working we also decided to write a compiler to convert assembly to machine code

now i just write and test RTOS for a living

[slender storm]

TIL

Sounds cool!

[dire trout]

Now I'm a cryo-electron microscopist and i don't even do EE

[maiden furnace]

tbh I just think of them like minecraft circuits, every gametick the devices read their input and write the output for the next game tick

[dire trout]

Oh, that part i got. I don't know how the rest of it works

I'll have to hunt down this video onosa mentioned

[subtle ferry]

https://youtu.be/kWLKA5zRrQ0

[dire trout]

I see

Thanks!

[pine echo]

Dude I need to see this

[maiden furnace]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHyuCJfDFk0

[midnight sapphire]

this clearly proves we can go directly from vanilla to seablock as manechat

[maiden furnace]

https://factorio.com/blog/post/fff-380

[subtle ferry]

Brilliant.

[heady fulcrum]

I think Space Exploration does this by making a fake player in a sandbox style mode for its remote view

That way you can open up things and do wires but your inventory is empty

[midnight sapphire]

yeah, its nice for storing a bunch of blueprints you'd only need in that mode

[heady fulcrum]

https://factorio.com/blog/post/fff-381

https://cdn.factorio.com/assets/blog-sync/fff-381-voiding-to-space.mp4

[lavish merlin]

New fear unlocked.

[heady fulcrum]

What?

[lavish merlin]

Accidentally trashing items into the void.

[heady fulcrum]

Well don't put inserters facing out of the platform

Sounds like something very hard to do by accident

[lavish merlin]

I love it though.

Its such a tiny detail.

[subtle ferry]

That final video of the legendary space factory is so wild

[midnight sapphire]

thats so cool i can't wait for it

[subtle ferry]

It's so intimidating, lol.

[midnight sapphire]

dw bestie we'll start a seablock or pythagadons before then so that by comparison this will seem relaxing

[midnight sapphire]

[marsh elk]

[subtle ferry]

https://factorio.com/blog/post/fff-382

[spice parrot]

lol this is familiar to space exploration mod players

[slender storm]

Yep. And makes sense - the dev of space exploration is working on this expansion too.

[amber bluff]

It makes me happy to hear that this is taking a diffrent approach than the SE mod

[heady fulcrum]

https://factorio.com/blog/post/fff-383

1- Implementing -f in Factorio with shift+ctrl+click

Removes preexisting buildings and even builds landlfill if necessary.

[subtle ferry]

lol the angry ghost icon

[heady fulcrum]

2- Changing the codebase to allow removing landfill.

[midnight sapphire]

nice!

[heady fulcrum]

https://factorio.com/blog/post/fff-384

Circuit interface rework: https://cdn.factorio.com/assets/blog-sync/fff-384-circuit-gui-new.gif

Decider combinators have also been reworked to use multiple conditions and outputs

The other combinators also got some work

[heady fulcrum]

https://www.reddit.com/r/factorio/comments/17sxx38/on_my_first_playthrough_as_a_js_engineer_i_really/ @rotund tusk

https://i.redd.it/i5l77jalvqzb1.png

This part sorts items https://i.imgur.com/O9whptl.png

New items are inserted here https://i.imgur.com/DFSmCui.png

Items are made here https://i.imgur.com/kxgq1bH.png

And everything here is the buffer https://i.imgur.com/pxdTkPc.png

[marsh elk]

🍣

[midnight sapphire]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVTg8ldZ2rQ

[heady fulcrum]

https://factorio.com/blog/post/fff-386

Allow me to introduce this toasty volcanic wonderland, conveniently sandwiched between idyllic Nauvis and the sizzling sun. Vulcanus is closer to the sun than most would dare to venture but trust me, it's a splendid place to start your interplanetary travels.

Space Exploration ass planet

I knew they hired him for a reason

[rotund tusk]

Being the hottest planet, I wanted Vulcanus to have lava. I got some pushback on this on the basis that “lava worlds are too cliche” in games.

[spice parrot]

https://www.factorio.com/blog/post/fff-389

Train refueling for everyone in 2.0 yay

[subtle ferry]

🔫 https://youtu.be/GlPREQ55kzc?si=uJOrEj1lVP-qf-Tf

[heady fulcrum]

You should play #1119170161518334004 with us. It has a Factorio randomizer

[midnight sapphire]

you have to actually setup a server properly for it though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXrGaYSOauY&list=PL4o6UvJIdPNpmotDMr8Q1LjI_C6p7m5yS i haven't started watching it yet, but katherine of sky always finds interesting factorio mods, this one looks especially so

[subtle ferry]

Thank you. Anyone ever being beholden to my progress in a single player game sucks away my desire to participate.

[midnight sapphire]

|| the 225 coal cost underground||

[subtle ferry]

That's the best recipe, but it's not my favorite WTF moment

[midnight sapphire]

||is it the bot one, the bots being useless made me laugh||

[subtle ferry]

YEP!

It was then that I felt the world was too cruel to my little Doshy

[north glen]

Mmm yes turning guns into bullets

[subtle ferry]

Beans are to seablock as guns are to randomizer

[north glen]

Circuits which take stone and copper
Nothing wrong here, just Si and Cp

Guns into steam engines makes the violence much more inherent to the system

Iron plates into landfill means he's just covering the ocean instead of filling it

So many fucked up things. I love it

300 boilers definitely makes good armor

The slow bot is cute

[subtle ferry]

It gets so much worse

[north glen]

Where does this random roll of speed come from?

[subtle ferry]

Oh like his movement speed? It just happens every 30 minutes

[north glen]

Ah part of the mod okay

What a beautiful mess. God bless this man's masochism

+2% productivity

[subtle ferry]

Could be worse

[north glen]

Great times see you next Dosh

[subtle ferry]

This was the best part

[north glen]

That area was painful

[north glen]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FD_xUxlw4yg

[heady fulcrum]

Sounds doable if you can make a belt from the starting spot

[north glen]

Yep, landing on iron is the first priority

[pine echo]

This would awesome to try one day

[cinder crane]

https://www.reddit.com/r/factorio/comments/1b5kayc/eternity_cluster_achieves_world_record_1_million/?rdt=64639

[heady fulcrum]

https://www.factorio.com/blog/post/fff-402

[dusty niche]

wireless circuits has been something i have wanted for a long time. nice way of implmenting with the radar dishes

[heady fulcrum]

Absolutely. It's an elegant and smart solution

Space Exploration has it implemented in a complicated way with channels and receiver/transmitter buildings

[dusty niche]

lol yeah ive seen the crazy on peoples vids of the SE version.

[heady fulcrum]

It was a downright pain to do it the first time, so I put it in a blueprint as quickly as possible

[cinder crane]

Thinking about starting a run. Is there any QoL mods any of you would recommend

[heady fulcrum]

There's tons of good mods but I'd have to look at the list to make up to date recommendations

[pine echo]

There was a mod set literally called the Quality of Life set but it's not THAT good imo

[midnight sapphire]

it really depends on how much "QoL" you want, theres stuff like squeek through that are nice to have, then theres things like recipe lists and factory planners which are of varying use, especially if you have content mods

[heady fulcrum]

https://factorio.com/blog/post/fff-403

[midnight sapphire]

https://factorio.com/blog/post/fff-412

cars drivable on more than 50 ping

[warm laurel]

My brothers... have I found my people?

[thorn venture]

my brother in Celestia, welcome

[flat narwhal]

i do love a good round of factorio

[warm laurel]

AHHHH

What's the name of the big big big factorio mod where you go to space

[flat narwhal]

space exploration?

https://mods.factorio.com/mod/space-exploration

[warm laurel]

That's the juice... super long mod, but I have yet to get into it

[flat narwhal]

ya

[pine echo]

@warm laurel I played it before, it's decent but never finished it

[flat narwhal]

u can automate ships so they sort of become like trains

[midnight sapphire]

i played it with flitter before, its great fun, but holy shit does the spaghetti become spaghetti if left unchecked, and you very much need to use a fair amount of circuitry or something to not let things get out of hand

[flat narwhal]

u can always go mainbus which is the go-to for multiplayer

works for bob and angels

alone i usually like being more experimental

lol

[midnight sapphire]

you can go for mainbus, but you have a lot of systems on a lot of planets doing a lot of things, and space exploration is designed with attempting to limit the mainbus through that

[flat narwhal]

nothing may defeat the mainbus

when u got like 6 people or more, mainbus it is for me lol

[warm laurel]

Man... playing factorio.. with people...

[warm laurel]

Who would even do that...

God, I would love to have someone do a playthrough with me of space exploration

[flat narwhal]

maybe but it's gonna cost yea

[warm laurel]

How many fat dollars

[flat narwhal]

1 whole snickers bar

and a compliment

[warm laurel]

Listen hot shot, I got a compliment locked and loaded for ya

First of all, you play factorio, so you're obviously a stand up person

[flat narwhal]

sure ig

[pine echo]

im in for that, just be warned my processor is crap so if we get super far i may not be able to finish it

Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-3470 CPU @ 3.20GHz 3.20 GHz <ssaid processor

[flat narwhal]

spice it up

[warm laurel]

Is factorio one of those processor intensive games?

[flat narwhal]

idk tbh

prob over gpu yea

ive ran the thing on potatos tho

[heady fulcrum]

It's CPU intensive for large bases

[flat narwhal]

megabases might cause problems

or those crazy german ones

[rotund tusk]

might be best to say it's one of those games that allows you to make it processor intensive, if you really want to

[flat narwhal]

mc when u do some trolling with tnt

[maiden furnace]

https://factorio.com/blog/post/fff-414

[flat narwhal]

Can we start a new manechat factorio world

[subtle ferry]

I'll be busy the next two weeks but after that I could join. Someone new will need to host it.

[flat narwhal]

who shalll

[warm laurel]

I dunno

But I'll join

[flat narwhal]

we should do signups

[heady fulcrum]

https://factorio.com/blog/post/fff-416

* Pipes, underground pipes, and storage tanks are merged into fluid "segments".

* Each segment inherits its volume from the fluid boxes that comprise it and can hold one fluid.

* Machines can push fluid into a segment at an unlimited rate, and can pull from a segment at a rate proportional to how full the segment is. In other words, if a segment is half full, then the pulling rate is half of the maximum.

* As a special case, pumps can pull at a faster rate if they are connected directly to a storage tank.

There is no longer a realistic fluid "flow" through pipes; fluid pushed to a segment will be immediately available at any point along a segment. This is the "nuclear electric-network type solution" that was discussed in previous FFFs. The result is that pipes "just work" and you almost never have to worry about throughput.

In brief they're replacing the fluid algorithm with a less realistic one that's less problematic

[subtle ferry]

Thank goodness, hahaha

[heady fulcrum]

I can't wait for them to release the quality system so I can figure out what they see in it. Generally they have good judgement

This mod is neat https://mods.factorio.com/mod/afk_crafter

It crafts stuff automatically to make sure you have enough of it, but only if your queue is empty

[dusty niche]

ok thats pretty cool mod

[heady fulcrum]

https://factorio.com/blog/post/fff-417

This is an overview of the expansion's development history. The release date of the expansion will be revealed next week

[heady fulcrum]

https://www.factorio.com/blog/post/fff-418

[midnight sapphire]

[heady fulcrum]

Release date Oct21 this year. It will cost 35USD like the base game. It will come with 2.0

[subtle ferry]

Omg

That's huge!

It took 9 years to make factorio after all

[warm laurel]

AHHH!!!

[heady fulcrum]

Please calm down

[warm laurel]

I can't...

[heady fulcrum]

https://factorio.com/blog/post/fff-420

[midnight sapphire]

[warm laurel]

It's got me sweatin over here boss

[warm laurel]

I dunno if I can wait until the new factorio...

[pine echo]

same

[heady fulcrum]

Old Factorio is still here. Just play it

[warm laurel]

But that's not the new factorio

[heady fulcrum]

It's good

[heady fulcrum]

https://www.factorio.com/blog/post/fff-421

[subtle ferry]

lol that first picture goes so hard

[rotund tusk]

"A typical factory"

[heady fulcrum]

I have made factories look like that

Usually with modpacks that extend progression

I just like to have tens of thousands of roboports and no belts or trains

[subtle ferry]

Roboports having a built-in radar is really nice

Those are fun updates. I really like the optimization updates.

[rotund tusk]

the more modding I do the more familiar these sound

[midnight sapphire]

the bot network in mine and flitters space exploration world was a lot

[heady fulcrum]

https://factorio.com/blog/post/fff-422

[subtle ferry]

That video is awesome

Dude the technical breakdown of how they built that electrical arch was a masterclass in game design

[heady fulcrum]

I played a little bit of Unsighted today

It's a fun game. The design is evocative, even if it goes a bit too far and makes things unclear

But one thing was obvious

The procedurally generated animations were amateurish, unlike this one

If you go through the effort to procedurally generate an animation instead of making something by hand and calling if a day, I'd better not notice that

[rotund tusk]

interesting, I had heard about that one but hadn't prioritized it

(was that meant to be in #1032716748887179434 ?)

[heady fulcrum]

No. It's related to the procedural animation in Factorio

[heady fulcrum]

https://factorio.com/blog/post/fff-423

[heady fulcrum]

https://www.factorio.com/blog/post/fff-424

[pine echo]

well this is fun

[heady fulcrum]

I want to play a world like this

[pine echo]

have fun, its literally heck

uhhh idk if the frontier scenario is open to public

its a Redmew server one

[heady fulcrum]

Not really interested in multiplayer. I just want a solo hellworld experience where I actually use turrets

[pine echo]

they offer solo versions of multiplayer maps

[thorn venture]

that looks like the least fun thing ever

[midnight sapphire]

i mean, once you've got a foothold, its a lot more about heavily maintaining defences, managing your pollution cloud with forests w/e else, and using a lot of artillary

[heady fulcrum]

Yes, I want to do maintenance.

[pine echo]

I'd show it off if I'm allowed to stream this

[warm laurel]

I wish to do factorio... one day

[warm laurel]

unacceptable

[spice parrot]

sushi belts now

[subtle ferry]

https://isitfactoriodayyet.com/

[pine echo]

i love it when dumb stuff i make actually works

[pine echo]

Too bad the patches map I showed here may end soon, it's a multiplayer map and we have to launch a predetermined amount of satellites, we recently got space sci packs unlocked so it should start soon

We launched around 35 at time of this messt

Need 1000 sent

[warm laurel]

Soon...

[placid coral]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/645390/Factorio_Space_Age/

Steam

Factorio: Space Age

Factorio: Space Age continues the player's journey after launching rockets into space. Discover new worlds with unique challenges, exploit their novel resources for advanced technological gains, and manage your fleet of interplanetary space platforms.Space platformsThe backbone of planetary logistics and the first foray into space. Space platfor...

Release Date

Oct 21, 2024

▶ Play video

[heady fulcrum]

Support the Factorio developers and buy it from the website. You will pay the same price if you are in the US, and you'll get a steam key plus a DRM-free copy

They will get more money that way

[subtle ferry]

Dude, fantastic tip. I'm absolutely doing it that way then.

[heady fulcrum]

If you didn't buy the base game from their website make sure to first link your steam account

Ponydev is organizing a game on their server

[dusty niche]

yay for game devs who have DRM free options

[subtle ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/space-tim-curry-gif-7935778

https://www.factorio.com/buy-space-age

There are two "buy" webpages so I wanted to disambiguate the Space Age one.

[midnight sapphire]

its in fact cheaper to buy it on their website form the uk

though thats a next paycheck purchase

[warm laurel]

So, if you buy space age... how does it effect your current modlist?

I don't use any space or off planet mods so hopefully there wouldn't be a huge effect

I think the only mods I use is uh... warehouse mods and something else

[heady fulcrum]

Mods are already all incompatible

Factorio is now 2.0, with massive sweeping changes

Just wait for mods you use to be updated

[warm laurel]

Thank you

[simple relic]

I'm streaming the new Factorio update constantly until we beat it: https://twitch.tv/cloudhop

[dusty niche]

https://youtu.be/Bx7x4cPJr4E all the 2.0 changes that arnt related to spaceage

[radiant galleon]

[placid coral]

March 2019. It's been a bit.

[radiant galleon]

must stop playing the tutorial and go to bed

[solar fable]

They got you now.

[placid coral]

https://fxtwitter.com/Stone_Tao/status/1848432736312172818

[radiant galleon]

https://x.com/Nesphalim/status/1848357511826419860

🐰 🦄 Kimberly 🦄 🐰 (@Nesphalim) on X

@factoriogame Barely any mods for it work which is disappointing.

Without the belt sorter mod I cannot play Factorio due to my desire to keep everything neat & tidy.

Will prob get a refund. This has killed Factorio for me.

Twitter · Oct 21, 2024, 1:35 PM

oh boo hoo, mods don't work the day a new major update releases
give the mod maintainers time, ffs

[subtle ferry]

What a moron

[radiant galleon]

over 150 mods updated on day 1
just give them time

there's like 15 pages of mods updated within the past 24 hours, and 615 flagged as 2.0 compatible
"This has killed Factorio for me." ok bud, the factories will go on without you

[maiden furnace]

the factory hungers

[placid coral]

I think the only people that give modders a chance are the StarSector folks, but that comes with other issues.

It's sad that people have to be repeatedly told that:

• Updates generally break mods
• Until said mods are updated, do not use them with the new patch
• Most games give the option to roll back updates if you want to keep playing/finish up older games

[rotund tusk]

fwiw, my experience is most people do get this; it’s probably yet another case of vocal/incompetent minority

[north glen]

The factory must grow

[subtle ferry]

How are your factories going

I'm at green science because I've only had 2 hours to play and I'm bad at the game, but I"m proud of my noisy little base

[heady fulcrum]

I haven't bought it yet

Today is my last midterm though

[dire trout]

I might play this weekend

I wonder if it might be fun to get a small server going again so we can explore the new content together

Though MA hosted it last time and he is no longer with us

Er, not currently in manechat, he's not dead AFAIK

[subtle ferry]

lmfao

I'm down, if only to watch. Last time I didn't play so much as admire what y'all did

[midnight sapphire]

i made a fancy furnace array, then got yelled at for making a famcy furnace array

aldo a few other things

[dire trout]

My contributions last time were setting up initial red and green science, implementing logistics robots, automating the nuke plant, and launching the rocket

[subtle ferry]

The early game is really fun. And saving the factory for annihilation because of a power spiral was a blast

[dire trout]

Most of the hard work was done by others

[placid coral]

I've tried getting into it a few times, but bounced off.

[radiant galleon]

I'd be down for Factorio with whatever free time I have this weekend

i ain't touched it since 0.17.9 so I'll be teaching myself the game again
but it don't take long to get back into it

[heady fulcrum]

If someone here hosts a server I'll probably play as long as it's up when I am

[radiant galleon]

I could throw one on my spare Oracle capacity...except for the fact that Wube doesn't provide an aarch64 headless build, only x64.

[warm laurel]

I'm up in green science doing the starting base... trying to get as many green and red vials before I move on to bigger things

[warm laurel]

Good news though all my Nilaus blueprints remain after the update, woohoo!

[heady fulcrum]

You should avoid using old blueprints

Especially for pipes and trains

The ratios for many things changed, and the core mechanics changed as well

See if Nilaus made updated copies

[warm laurel]

I'm not up to using pipes and trains yet thankfully.

[warm laurel]

No updates yet, or I don't know where he keeps his blueprints

[warm laurel]

At least the starter bases work... so far although I think they changed medium electric poles to needing copper wire instead of just copper, that's an easy work around where you can essnetially have the same starter base

[dire trout]

i got a game going, server is Manechatorio and password is cloudycanvas

[warm laurel]

I don't know how to join servers in factorio...

@dire trout how doth join?

[dire trout]

you know what i'm not sure

[dire trout]

you gotta be friends with me on steam then join on my game from there

[dire trout]

we got blue science up and running (barely) and one remote base connected via train

[warm laurel]

Well what's your steam then!

[heady fulcrum]

It's time for me to start my 2.0 playthrough

What mods do I want to use?

Bottleneck lite, even distribution (lite?), factory planner, mining patch planner, milestones, space age, quality, elevated rails.

There. This list should be fine

[warm laurel]

I don't suppose you ran across a good waterfill mod?

[heady fulcrum]

Waterfill destroys game balance so I don't consider it.

[dire trout]

@radiant galleon let me know when you're ready and i'll pop the game back up

[warm laurel]

invite me plllsssss

[dire trout]

what's your steam

[warm laurel]

zeroxwolfx

[radiant galleon]

a'ight
im finally awake enough and got some food in me

[dire trout]

ok give me a few minutes and i'll get the game up

[dire trout]

ok it's up

[dire trout]

going to get some food, will be afk so tech keeps happening, i'll get back in vc when i'm back

[dire trout]

ha ha sike! i practiced my horn instead, now i'm gonna go grab food. be back soon

[dire trout]

i return to factorio

[warm laurel]

soon

[spice parrot]

how does multiplayer work for those without space age?

[heady fulcrum]

Space Age is just a mod

So turn it off if you want to play with people without it

[frozen moss]

I'm planning on starting a new Factorio Space Age playthrough soon. And, assuming that the mods are updated in time, I'm also planning on adding the Rampant mod (which basically makes the biters far more aggressive and prone to large-scale invasions a la Starship Troopers) and the Clockwork mod (which gives you the option to play the game in permanent darkness, making lamps essential). On top of this, I'll also be customizing the terrain a bit to make biter nests a bit bigger (but also a little further away from my base so that I have some room to breathe) and will be making the ore deposits a little bigger and a little richer.

Yes, it's gonna be torture dealing with the bugs. But it's gonna be f*cking FUN. I'm even crafting something of a backstory.

[heady fulcrum]

You should try ribbonworld

[frozen moss]

That's the really thin world, right? Not my style, I like having big sprawling bases, not super condensed ones.

[heady fulcrum]

You can set the actual dimensions to whatever you like

Make it 200 tiles high, for example

Then crank up the biters super high to give the feeling that you're just managing a strip of a larger factory

[frozen moss]

I prefer the normal terrain style

I like the feeling that you get when having to fight off multiple biter invasions from multiple angles across a sprawling base. Sure, it's more panic-inducing, but the rush it gives you is amazing (especially when you got action-y music pumping into your ears at the same time), and when you're victorious in your hard-fought war it feels like you're a god.

...Damn, looks like neither mod has been updated, although the dev for Rampant is working on it but it'll take a long time.

Looks like my Biter War playthrough will have to wait. An old-fashioned vanilla playthrough it is.

[heady fulcrum]

Don't tell the mods

[frozen moss]

Duuuuuuude, someone made an animation of what Factorio would look like in 3D with Unreal Engine 5 graphics! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01qux-5Qx_Y

Well, actually not strictly an animation, it's apparently a program that allows you to import your base and then allow you to fly around in 3D.

[dire trout]

That's cool

[heady fulcrum]

It's a satisfactory animation

[lavish merlin]

Will it have the UE5 hitching issue?

[frozen moss]

I have no idea

[frozen moss]

Puns aside, pretty much yeah, just with a Factorio skin.

That said, I prefer it this way. Satisfactory always felt too...clean. It's too modern, corporate, and sleek for my liking. I prefer Factorio's grungy and rusty dieselpunk/steampunk style.

[solar fable]

After watching that one, which was great, I came across this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TE8KMnGm2Xw

[frozen moss]

Yeah, I saw that one too. Fun, but not as polished. The biters look a bit weird in there. Still pretty cool.

Now if only someone like JT Music or Stupendium could do a Factorio song. I know Stupendium did Satisfactory, but Factorio deserves a song too.

[heady fulcrum]

Factorio is a great game but doesn't really go for evocative themes that make it easy to do a song about it

[frozen moss]

You'd be surprised what music artists can squeeze out of certain games, especially JT Music. They've done songs on games I've never even heard of, and they're hugely prolific in the nerdcore scene.

[heady fulcrum]

The notability of a game has little correlation with whether it has evocative themes that make it easy to do creative works about

Factorio is only a little easier to make a song for than Football Manager 2023

[maiden furnace]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1039647926852517958/1301320036828450816/SPOILER_rapidsave.com_lets_put_a_nuclear_reactor_on_the_space_station-fj7z5a4joxxd1.mp4?ex=67240c3a&is=6722baba&hm=de5597ba9f297d3dad999e3fc32599165f426224505683d3619ed864613185a2&

[rotund tusk]

that happened fast

[frozen moss]

https://tenor.com/view/starlight-cringe-sturlight-glummers-starlight-spike-mlp-cringe-yikes-gif-18413387

Excuse the gif, but...

It's hilarious by how instant it was though, lol

Looney Tunes-ass death

[radiant galleon]

I mean
It was basically turned into an atom bomb

If a reactor is destroyed (by damage) while it is above 900°C, it will explode just like an atomic bomb. This explosion has enough power to destroy other reactors, so one explosion can lead to a chain reaction of exploding reactors.

[warm laurel]

Am I stupid... or is there no method for exchaning plasma?

[radiant galleon]

fusion generator/reactor plasma?
nope
plasma can not go into pipes
fusion generators must be placed in close proximity to fusion reactors while still leaving enough room for the fluroketone output

[warm laurel]

Is there a limit to how many plasma reactors you can chain?

[frozen moss]

finally has time to download a playlist of the Factorio soundtrack
playlist gets deleted by the user

Luckily I managed to find another, but it's missing a bonus track

[heady fulcrum]

I knew I should keep the hotkey hints on

H and V flip blueprints while maintaining symmetry, which you can't do by rotating twice

[fluid owl]

I was looking for that, thanks

[dire trout]

@radiant galleon you up for factorio tonight?

[radiant galleon]

Yeah I'll be there in a few

[dire trout]

i'm finishing up dinner so i'll be a few myself

[dire trout]

we made it to space!