general gaming

[river veldt]

Sonic 2 and 3&K are really great games

except for Sonic 2's special stages which suck

[arctic fern]

I think i enjoyed SA2 but wasnt a big fan of the 2d sonics

[river veldt]

SA2 is cool

[arctic fern]

Or most of the 3d sonics lol

[slim thorn]

I think 2D just-platformers don't do much for me, it's one of those genres that's a little too simple for me

for me getting into that optimal fun flow state requires some additional thing, like a puzzle platformer, or a 3D platformer, or a combat system at which point you'd probably call it a metroidvania, etc

[craggy vine]

I love the 2D sonic games. Weirdly never enjoyed the 3D sonic, I prefered it when he was just silent and just a hedgehog who was fast

[hushed onyx]

I’ve always been a PC guy, so Nintendo versus Sega was irrelevant for me.

[craggy vine]

But if I had to choose one to own, I would go for the Sega Genesis over the SNES

[river veldt]

tbf Sega vs Nintendo has been irrelevant for like, 20ish years now lol

[slim thorn]

and Sonic in particular had the problem that emphasizing speed meant it was impossible to see where I was going and make any decisions about when or how to jump, so either the level plays itself or it's raw trial-and-error

[arctic fern]

Oh yeah thats like 90% of it

[hushed onyx]

Well, that’s why I said “was”

[craggy vine]

I feel like you kinda had to learn the levels to be really good at it

[river veldt]

idk ive always felt you just need fast reaction times

[slim thorn]

which was probably fine back then

[craggy vine]

Not if you're wanting to buy one of the 2 right now

[slim thorn]

these days, I think it's fair to say we expect games to be fun before you perfectly memorize them

[craggy vine]

Sega Gensis just had too much blast processing for you guys

[hushed onyx]

Wouldn’t a normal person get an emulator to have both?

[slim thorn]

I certainly didn't have blast reaction times

[craggy vine]

Fuck normal

[river veldt]

i mean yeah go off king but emulating older consoles seems the way to go

[slim thorn]

my impression was "normal" people won't care about any games that old, like, categorically

[craggy vine]

I mean yeah most people wouldn't

[craggy vine]

One option is free and extremely convenient, the other is expensive but cool

[fresh bane]

2D Sonic games almost always had the exact same problem of trying to fit the game into a 4:3 aspect ratio and not being able to see far enough ahead to keep up the speed

There are some widescreen rom hacks for some of the games and it's pretty crazy how much better it makes some of those Sonic games feel

[gaunt marten]

I find emulation to be very cool too

[hushed onyx]

IDK about that, the median person in the United States is 39 years old, so a fairly large fraction of the population probably played these games as kids and thinks about them nostalgically.

[river veldt]

ok true

[craggy vine]

Hell you have been able to play Sega Genesis games in a web browser for the past like 20 years

I played Streets of Rage in a web browser on the school computers in like 2010

[hushed onyx]

The success of the Mario and Sonic movies suggests something like that…

[slim thorn]

well, Mario and Sonic also have been ongoing franchises that whole intervening time

[craggy vine]

I mean I don't see many people going on about the games franchises that haven't continued on since that time

[slim thorn]

there's definitely a lot of people nostalgic for this era of games but I really don't think it's a "large fraction of the population", at the scale of everyone it's probably just another niche hobby among dozens

[river veldt]

would anyone go to an Altered Beast movie

RISE FROM YOUR GRAVE

[craggy vine]

Most people probably threw out their old game console because of it being old

[hushed onyx]

“fairly” is doing important lifting here. But I don’t think this is just another niche hobby, because nostalgia has always been rather popular.

[gaunt marten]

I would not go to an altered beast movie but if it got really good reviews I might pirate it

[gaunt marten]

This comic is a cautionary tale against exercise

[fickle garnet]

I got $40 of steam gift cards for Christmas and this is what I got

[hushed onyx]

That’s supposed to be a caution?

[craggy vine]

Also another thing I want to say, I personally think that the sega genesis had games with better music on it

[river veldt]

bro no it's not it's saying if i exercise i turn into a badass wolf monster who can do air dashes

[hushed onyx]

Looks like an advertisement to me.

[gaunt marten]

If you exercise too much your awesome shirt will explode and you'll have to buy a new one that is more expensive because it's a larger size

Also you have to shave more

[hushed onyx]

Yeah, what Mario said

[craggy vine]

Also lowkey just love this kinda console wars stuff. Because like, even though it exists now, it is pointless, they all have roughly the same games, but back then every console was quite different to each other.

[slim thorn]

huh

[gaunt marten]

Yeah, back then consoles were specialized in such a way that they became affordable versions of hardware that could do different things

[slim thorn]

for me it was just more frustrating back then, since these days it's easy to completely ignore it, but at the time you had to actually decide which console(s) to beg your parents for

and depending on what games you liked, it was very possible to get that choice wrong

[gaunt marten]

I agree that it wasn't good

[craggy vine]

I mean it 100% would have been frustrating. Even when I was playing games in the 2000s to 2010s, like, having friends that were playing Halo but I had playstation.

[fresh bane]

I'm ambivalent about it

[river veldt]

Halo's overrated anyways

[fresh bane]

It kinda ended up on most people picking one of two consoles nowadays, either a PS5 or a Nintendo Switch

[hushed onyx]

It’s fun to play with friends coop.

[fresh bane]

Because Xbox is just.... there

[craggy vine]

But idk, now it just feels like a nostalgia kinda thing. Like it is great that now you can just choose whatever and play the same games for the most part (besides some). Which is also why I was like, SNES or Genesis. Also cause those consoles were over 10 years before I was born.

[slim thorn]

Halo is overrated to the same degree that any timeless classic is. It can't cure cancer, but it was that good of a game, at the time.

[hushed onyx]

There aren’t that many games that have such a good co-op mode tbh.

[craggy vine]

Gah making me miss split screen games

Split screen could so easily still be a thing, but it just isn't for some reason

[hushed onyx]

Which kind of sucks, because I am interested in cooperative multiplayer but not competitive.

[craggy vine]

Honestly me too

[fresh bane]

I was never into Halo so I can't say for sure, but I wanna say around Halo 4 is when it seems like Halo started sort of losing a bit of that cultural impact

[slim thorn]

my understanding was there's just no demand for splitscreen specifically, since online co-op is strictly more general and vastly more applicable

[fresh bane]

Halo 1-2-3 were the kind of games people wouldn't shut up about when they came out, but Halo 4 onwards didn't seem to have the same impact

[craggy vine]

I don't like competitive too much, much prefer cooperative

[slim thorn]

well, splitscreen vs multiscreen is not really tied to coop vs competitive

[craggy vine]

Yeaah. And I guess everyone has their own device now anyway.

[slim thorn]

I've always wanted to do coop games but never had anyone to play them with

[craggy vine]

(Also hense why co op games should also have good singleplayer experiences in my opinion. Whether it be good bots or whatever else)

[slim thorn]

hoo boy that's a whole tangent unto itself... but you've probably heard all my thoughts on Halo 4/5/Inf already

[fresh bane]

I actually don't think I have, but I also don't think it matters anyway since I would have zero context for it since... well again I was never into Halo

not that I wasn't interested i just missed that entire time period and I never got into it before

it always seemed like a cool world and a cool game I just unfortunately was very young

[craggy vine]

Oh also I just had a thought, I think the way I feel about these old consoles is kinda like with vinyl records. Like, it is way more expensive and inconvenient, but just so cool to have.

[river veldt]

it's a fine game it just doesn't really blow my mind

i liked Halo 2

[fresh bane]

like... 4 years old when Halo 3 came out, so I never had a chance

[slim thorn]

I guess the short version is 4 and 5 are underrated, 5 especially had unique stuff I miss when replaying 1-4, but Inf was disappointingly okay due to some bafflingly misguided decisions, and also nobody was playing these since fair they are similar enough to 1-3 that it's not like they were ever going to revolutionize gaming again

[craggy vine]

I have actually never played Halo. I mean like I said, I grew up with Playstation, and also Nintendo.

[fresh bane]

Is that counting the spin offs because I know there's some non-numbered entries people talk about all the time

[slim thorn]

oh, have you played any shooters besides the Dooms and boomer shooters?

yeah I'm only counting mainline stuff, e.g. Wars is clearly a whole other topic, everyone agrees Reach and ODST were great, etc

[river veldt]

i suppose, but idk why i can appreciate super old shooters like Doom and Wolfenstein and Quake but Halo didn't do anything for me

[craggy vine]

I have played a lot of TF2 and L4D2. Infact TF2 is my most played game on steam if I remember right. Also Payday 2.

[slim thorn]

it's fine to just have a genuine preference

[river veldt]

i do like TF2

[slim thorn]

Doom and Quake are much more about high speed movement and twitch skill, while Halo at least in single player is a lot more about positioning and tactical planning

[craggy vine]

I liked TF2 a lot because, even though it is a competitive shooter, it does require a lot of cooperation from your whole team as well

[fresh bane]

I never actually played Quake before....

Like, played Quake

I played deathmatches before, but I never actually played Quake the game

[craggy vine]

I would like to try the Halo singleplayer

[fresh bane]

Speaking of boomer shooters I have that Warhammer boomer shooter on GOG...

[river veldt]

Quake 1 is the best one imo

[slim thorn]

yeah you should probably try at least one shooter that goes in a wildly different direction from Halo

[river veldt]

that's true

[slim thorn]

Gears of War is probably the quintessential "cover shooter". Similarly tactical to Halo, but with explicit "press A to stick to cover, push the stick this way to lean out of cover" mechanics (pretty sure it was the series that popularized these mechanics).

[craggy vine]

Oh also I just remembered, I did play a bit of COD and Killzone but never got hugely into it. Infact Killzone was my first ever first person shooter on the PS2.

Omg wait yeah I loved gears of war. I played it at a friends house on their xbox 360

[slim thorn]

lol

[river veldt]

Gears of War is like everything i dislike in modern shooters haha. brown aesthetic, cover mechanics, etc

[slim thorn]

which were revolutionary when those things were new!

[craggy vine]

I played quite a few games like that on the PS3

[slim thorn]

tbf GoW was also just a really good game in all the normal boring ways too

most cover shooters since are simply not as good at the cover shooting

[river veldt]

the chainsaw gun things are kind of cool

[fresh bane]

Oh god, PS2 shooters... I think the only 'shooter' I played on the PS2 was SW Battlefront II, but there was this one I would play all the time (and, I think I just re-played the first level over and over because I never learned how to actually use the memory card properly at the time?)

[craggy vine]

Why do I suddenly remember so many more games that I have actualy played

[fresh bane]

It's one of those games I don't actually remember anything about, but it's seared into the back of my brain

[slim thorn]

legitimately, the chainsaw was a good mechanic; it always represented a high-risk high-reward tactical choice that never got old as far as the fun of quick decision making goes (even if you understandably dislike the goriness of it)

[craggy vine]

oh pff I see. I didn't know of any other shooters on the PS2 actually. Just wasn't a popular time for it I guess, but it could do it fine

[slim thorn]

IIRC due to Halo, the Xbox quickly became "the console" for shooters

[craggy vine]

I definitely felt that back then

[slim thorn]

the PS shooters I'm aware of were from studios already beholden to PS for some other reason, e.g. Insomniac Games made "Resistance: Fall of Man" as a PS3 launch title (which I never played lol)

[craggy vine]

Or just like COD, cause that was on xbox and Playstation. And also Nintendo even

[river veldt]

Insomniac makes good Spider-Man games

[slim thorn]

fair, by the time CoD was everywhere I'd already lost interest in it

I'm that weirdo who only played the original CoD back when that was a breath of fresh air in the shooter market

[gaunt marten]

I made a short list for console generations and choices you could make as a developer who wants to make a game:

For the third generation, you could choose between the NES, which had a rigid 2D pipeline that made it a breeze to develop for as long as you wanted to make the sort of game Nintendo wanted you to make, or the Sega Master System which had no guidance for developers and pretty bad software overall but was much more flexible due to the lack of structure, enabling you to make varying games with ease.

The fourth generation had the SNES with a big focus on advanced graphical layering and processing as well as easy color math, but had a flimsy CPU that forced you to simplify the game in other ways. The Genesis did the exact other way, banking it all on a faster CPU so that developers can do software tricks to match, and at the same time have complex games in all ways instead of graphics.
Neo Geo had an insanely big amount of memory that allowed it to brute force tons and tons of sprites, which was expensive but made for quite the unique games with graphics that remain appealing even today.

The fifth generation had the PSX, which was a straightforward 3D with as simple of a development process as possible, and compensated for the simplicity by having well-rounded specs that made it incredibly versatile.
The N64 had lopsided specs that made it hard to develop for and expensive to publish, but it was the ideal choice if you wanted to publish a game with advanced graphics processing (as long as the game has small textures, small screens and lots of reused assets).

[slim thorn]

I never got around to the early sequels, and by the time single player had become an afterthought, I simply had no interest in the series

[hushed onyx]

I only played the original Modern Warfare because I got the game for free with a graphics card, and only played through the campaign.

[gaunt marten]

Past the sixth or seventh generations the architectural differences between generations were minimal

[slim thorn]

except for the PS3 Cell Processor, but mostly because the 3rd party dev reaction was "wait, why did you go back to being different?"

[fresh bane]

Looking at some Killzone gameplay I noticed something I kinda always appreciated about Halo and TF2 and that is funky crosshairs

Big, chunky, weird looking crosshairs rather than the usual dot or the +

Which, if I remember correctly Halo intentionally made big crosshairs because it was a console shooter and aiming is funky

[slim thorn]

console shooters in general tended to favor large crosshairs because they relied more on conveying critical information to the player with that crosshair

[craggy vine]

This is extremely interesting

[gaunt marten]

The cell processor was actually the result of Sony making a bad bet: They thought that since GPUs were getting more and more general, capable of doing all sorts of computation, that the market in general was headed in the direction of extreme parallelism, and they wanted to drive to the next stop instead of riding the train from the station

[slim thorn]

oh, the PSX vs N64 part should also mention the benefits of then-new CD-ROMs, which only PSX had

[gaunt marten]

It did! Implicitly under N64

[fresh bane]

The N64 had weirdly cool FPS with Goldeneye and Perfect Dark

[slim thorn]

ah I thought that was referring to things like the weird memory speeds/constraints that Kaze Emanuar is always talking about

[gaunt marten]

I said the list was gonna be short so I wanted to at least pretend I was trying to make it so

[slim thorn]

oh yeah, I never did get around to trying either

[hushed onyx]

They were only twenty years early

[gaunt marten]

That's true, if the PS3 was made nowadays with modern specs it would not be unusual

[fresh bane]

I wanted to check out Perfect Dark after that new game got cancelled

since, I guess that's not going anywhere for a while if ever again

[gaunt marten]

The high paralellization of the cell processor actually made it one of the core components of many supercomputers years after the generation after

[fickle garnet]

Oh my god Megabonk is SO fun

[quiet swift]

[sacred grove]

I just started playing it too. This is digital drugs

[craggy vine]

Hear me out... This game is extremely fun, and very hard.

It gets very bullet helly and the bosses are hard

[gaunt marten]

God of Blades OST review:

Worst soundtrack I heard all year

[tender summit]

Any VRC players?

[visual hill]

Where is it?
-Duke Nukem after enough wall licking

I've been through that last week 😛

[visual hill]

no, but I've been thinking of trying it out one day

[fickle garnet]

It really is, it's so goood

[wind stump]

https://youtu.be/jfvzPmY_NZc

[tender summit]

I highly recommend it!

There is a pony group on there

[orchid sundial]

i purchased mega man legacy collections 1 and 2 on ps5, and i am not having fun playing the first one

the controls are entirely different from nintendo switch and not what im used to

and the ergonomics of the controller make it more difficult

[gaunt marten]

If you bought it on PC you could use a switch pro controller

[mossy flume]

^

You can use a PS, Xbox, Switch controller, 8bitdo, etc

[frozen gate]

says on ps5, but some 8bitdo adapter should work there for it right

[frozen gate]

did you play it on switch before? & maybe the controls can be changed in game?

[frozen gate]

well i mean it'll try to emulate the dualsense layout so maybe not nvm

would help with ergonomic bit at least

[orchid sundial]

yes, i played it on switch and 3ds before. and the controls can be changed, but i can't get used to the ergonomics of the controller, plus having to use cross to confirm and circle to exit instead of the reverse, which would be a to confirm and b to exit on nintendo, makes it more difficult

[quiet swift]

days later, the guy I reported on X is still arguing with someone else in the thread

[mossy flume]

Imagine having the free time to argue about nothing real online for days on end.

[gaunt marten]

Reviewing the Shovel Knight soundtrack

Holy shit why is all nonstop bangers

I'm running out of five star reviews to give

[river veldt]

is this Mole Knight's stge ?

[gaunt marten]

No that one has the worst song

The Crosswise Crosswinds (Birder Mountain)
Shovel Knight - King of Cards OST

[river veldt]

OH right

yeah this one is good

it's actually been quite a while since i played King of Cards

i remember liking Joustus a lot

[gaunt marten]

I'm reviewing it first

[river veldt]

i like the Fairy Glade song

[gaunt marten]

I rated it one star because it is so short I can't use it

It's pretty good, but I'm looking for music that I can use as background audio

[river veldt]

ah

i remember the secret boss' song being really good too

[gaunt marten]

Which one is that?

[river veldt]

uhhh

[gaunt marten]

Oh

This one

Five stars

[river veldt]

that one's good too but i meant the actual boss song not the Joustus one. gimme a sec

https://youtu.be/Mb76bAKVBSQ?si=dRaGuuz7FcS6KPai

this one

[gaunt marten]

I rated that one four stars

[fresh bane]

https://youtu.be/UAUwYJyWnm8?si=H0E02p2n7ZRwEk67

MMO fans really are that dedicated sometimes huh

I'm pretty sure they brought back Star Wars Galaxies from the grave too after SWTOR completely took over

Well.... it looks pretty cool....

[robust latch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1091560617397198901/1454327164299251723/image.png?ex=6950af38&is=694f5db8&hm=924422a5cd854213b37f3ad00c32d294bc2018e0d45fbcab4d08b0fee65e2ae3&

[fresh bane]

That's just Miles Edgeworth

[gaunt marten]

A vampire is always stylish. The element that solves this disconnect is the fact that only silver mirrors fail to show them

They could have a clear scrying pool in their lair which also serves as a reflective surface

[fresh bane]

I thought it wasn't just the mirror itself but rather the fact that vampires are an unholy creature making them unable to actually have a reflection

[astral steeple]

Wow I'm apparently dumb

On that desktop pc I got from my brother apparently there's two hdmis

One is integrated graphics and the other is the actual dedicated graphics card

I had my monitor in the wrong one so I was dropping fps in games constantly

Now I'm getting way higher fps in games

[gaunt marten]

Silver is holy, that's the thing

[cunning galleon]

One of my favorite environmental storytelling in zomboid is you can sometimes find cars that have bombs in the trunk

I think it points to terrorism

[sonic dune]

https://youtu.be/hWZkv95zgME?si=h4XvkuzaI1nczV1l

Nearly 2 hours of videogame history

[astral steeple]

Probably a dumb question but I'm assuming recording gameplay videos of games using fraps is outdated right? lol

[gaunt marten]

Use Open Broadcaster Software!

It's the modern industry standard

[astral steeple]

I've been using fraps since like 2014

Never touched obs at all up to this point lol

Is it like super complicated to use or is it simple

[cunning galleon]

It's pretty simple

Better if you stream

[astral steeple]

I just want to use it for basic gameplay recording with no mic or facecam

[gaunt marten]

It's about the same as FRAPS and has good defaults

[craggy vine]

I really shouldn't be surprised at how I can play anything on this thing portably after having this for like 2 years, but it still does really surprise me.

Sometimes I'm surprised at the games that you can just open and have work flawlessly, with controller support

[cunning galleon]

Ok zomboid gameplan for today:
Steal a police van

There's 2 in west point PD

But first I'll do zomboid laundry and take a zomboid bath

[slim thorn]

whoa, I haven't heard anyone talk about FRAPS in... a decade? OBS replaced it so thoroughly

[fresh bane]

I was not ready for Fraps to somehow be considered this super old software, I used Bandicam back in the day too

is Camtasia Studio even a thing anymore? I used that to record and edit videos

HyperCam was a really popular one but that one was old

[slim thorn]

I haven't even heard of those

I also never used FRAPS myself, by the time I had any desire to record footage myself it'd already been years since every youtuber I heard talking about it had switched to OBS or some paid alternative

[cunning galleon]

Bandicam isn't that old

Right?

[quiet swift]

I think I last used fraps like 20ish years ago

[mossy flume]

FRAPS, HyperCam, Bandicam, Camtasia

Now those are names I’ve not heard in a long time. A long time…

[fresh bane]

When you're a kid in the early 2010s who's planning on totally becoming a huge YouTuber like Markiplier or Pewdiepie (and Rubius in my case because Spanish) you tend to get familiar with all these screen recording software lol

[cunning galleon]

Lmao since I was mostly on my tablet i knew mobizen, i did use bandicam to record some stuff

[craggy vine]

omg I feel this so hard, as someone who actually made youtube videos as a 14 year old

[mossy flume]

I wasn’t using them for YouTube, only to try capturing on-screen video for forums, IRC, or just for myself

[craggy vine]

Makes sense. Now you can record video right from inside Steam, or use Nvidia or whatever AMD has.

I recorded this from steamOS. Quality settings was on low though

my little hoofsies

[mossy flume]

Is that VR Chat or something?

[craggy vine]

pf no, it's a little pony horror game called My Putrid Ponies

She is such a cutie omg

[hushed onyx]

Huh, but I've done it?

[slim thorn]

started Talos Principle 2, got a good laugh out of this

[arctic fern]

Lol

[slim thorn]

"We're here to solve this puzzle, not to discuss philosophy."
has to be the least self-aware thing a character in this game could've possibly said

[hushed onyx]

I should probably actually play Talos Principle someday given 1) how interested I am in philosophy and 2) how you made me think about how you could express philosophical ideas in a video game the other day

[cunning galleon]

Modest collection of cars

[arctic fern]

i think you're mising a few cop cars

[wind stump]

Are frogs people, though?

[arctic fern]

[wind stump]

damn, i don't have Talos Principle, now i want to play it

probably for the best i don't add more nonsense to my backlog

[arctic fern]

if you like puzzel games you might enjoy it, but i didnt like 1 that much

[slim thorn]

to be fair, the game itself is mostly solving puzzles, but yeah you'd probably appreciate the philosophical theming around it, especially since the whole first game is about (spoiled since I forget how early this becomes clear) ||if and how it's even possible to create a true artificial human after biological humans have been wiped out|| so it's not just flavor, and now a lot of the second game is evidently about ||okay, we artificial humans exist now, but wtf should we be doing with ourselves?||

[cunning galleon]

I am, there's two more left from West Point PD

A shorter stepvan and another cruiser

[fickle garnet]

I wonder what Fromsoftware's switch 2 exclusive game is going to be like

[bitter stream]

what was the name of that one? it looked neat but they didn't show much Silly snepp

[wind stump]

[bitter stream]

oooh is that a gold wheel in Burnout? which one?

[wind stump]

I ran enough people off the road to get more cars, lmao

[fickle garnet]

It's called The Duskbloods

[bitter stream]

the duskbloods huh, oh yeah, the trailer was vampire themed right?

[fickle garnet]

Yeah, I think so

[cunning galleon]

It's fucking impossible to find threads in project zomboid

Where are the ARTS and CRAFTS stores??!

[fickle garnet]

On the Switch 2 page for the game it says it going to be multiplayer

[arctic fern]

yeah they higher level your tailoring is the higher chance you get threads when destroying clothes, outside of that you basically need mods

[bitter stream]

Multiplayer? like, base game multiplayer or Darksouls-esque multiplayer i wonder

it might have a limited lifespan if it's proper multiplayer

[wind stump]

yeah i think i kinda overkilled this race

[bitter stream]

congrats

[cunning galleon]

That's it I'm downloading a mod

And restarting because something broke in my game

[fickle garnet]

I don't think the multiplayer is going be be like Dark Souls

[cunning galleon]

And I wanna add... A few more map mods

Modded zomboid is amazing

[craggy vine]

omg yes my favourite game on ps2

[wind stump]

y'know

i hope the Crash FM DJ (Striker? Stryker?) is doing good.

he has such great energy

[craggy vine]

He does. Though I admit I often turn him off, he interupts songs so much

And him coming in halfway through a race feels a little weird sometimes

[cunning galleon]

Ok i love map mods that add entire towns

Since i already know my way around almost all of the towns in zomboid except Louisville (I've never been there in a normal playthrough)

[arctic fern]

yeah theres quite a few fun location maps

theres one that adds the tutorial house lol

[craggy vine]

i could add my house to the game

[cunning galleon]

Do you live in Kentucky since 1993

[cunning galleon]

I'm interested in pinewood and grapeseed

[arctic fern]

dont think ive done those

[craggy vine]

no

[arctic fern]

im going to be playing in an underground metro in a bit

[cunning galleon]

Pinewood looks pretty cool, grapeseed kinda sucks in b41 but they expanded it in b42

[cunning galleon]

Would project zomboid be a calming game if it's just you vs the elements

Like.. This game with b42 + 10 years later it would be a cool post apocalyptic survival where you hunt animals to live

[visual hill]

this game's forum threads are hilarious at times

||are frogs people?|| is the game's ||are bronies furries?||

[frozen gate]

i find games more about inventory management and scavenging are more chill

that game's isometric isnt it? like

lay back and control with your mouse kind or no?

never played it myself

[slim thorn]

my favorite is when they have really strong opinions about me when ||I was literally born a few hours ago, whatever you want from me is gonna take longer than that lol||

[arctic fern]

that honestly seems like the vibe they want for 42

[cunning galleon]

Yea there's a mod for zomboid where you have to sort your inventory

[cunning galleon]

Considering you can start from scratch yea, I'm loving it

[arctic fern]

you can turn zombies off completely if you want, or respawn way down, and i know they were planning on adding a challenge map where theres no infrastructure at all

[cunning galleon]

They probably want to make the years actually more sustainable

[arctic fern]

they plan to allow you do make industry from scratch in 42

they are kinda there already tho a lot more needs to be done

[cunning galleon]

Bulletfarm 🤑

Oh god Project Zomboid is just gonna turn into CDDA Remaster

I mean, I'm not complaining

[cunning galleon]

Unrelated to A Really CDDA

[bitter stream]

what is CDDA?

[cunning galleon]

But kind of related

Cataclysm Dark Days Ahead

It's kinda the predecessor of pz? I say kinda because it isn't official but they're really similar in gameplay except CDDA is mostly text

And ascii art

[bitter stream]

oh interesting, a really old game

[cunning galleon]

They're same-same in the sense that they're unforgiving

[arctic fern]

the CDDA challenge on the main menu is based off this game

[cunning galleon]

Atleast zomboid doesn't omega troll you by giving Builder mode insane population

A really bad day, mind

Zomboid is already CDDA but it isn't turn-based

I wish i get the irrational fear of zomboids again as if I'm new

[arctic fern]

they still fuck me up sometimes

[cunning galleon]

The jumpscare thing still gets me fuck that

My stupid character misses stomping on a zomboid and I gor bit on the shin tf

And the shitty "There's FIVE HUNDRED OF THEM IN THIS TRAILER"

It's how this gal died, to like 10 zomboids that spawned inside a trailer for some weird reason

[visual hill]

CDDA has tile packs available if you want to play with graphics

literally a "graphics: on/off" game 😛

[cunning galleon]

Ye, the mobile game has it to probably look appealing

I played CDDA when zomboid wasn't possible on mobile

[fresh bane]

Oh yeah I got that one for super cheap on a steam sale like 2 years ago

still haven't booted it up but I hear it's a really good one

[cunning galleon]

My body is a machine that turns winter steam sale into 0 hours played

[quiet swift]

https://www.thegamer.com/rainbow-six-siege-hack/

[visual hill]

Godot game gifted on EGS, let's goooo

[shell shore]

My AFOP oc

Her names Eelay and her Ikrans name is Temek

[gaunt marten]

Cool!

[slim thorn]

oh hey someone mentioned that game

just last week I was telling my parents "there was an avatar game once but no one I know played it "

so how is it actually

[shell shore]

I need to change Temeks pattern, i keep losing her bc she blends into the ground so well

[slim thorn]

my expectations were always "standard open world design, but hopefully as pretty an environment as the films"

(therefore: do not even attempt on my laptop lol)

[shell shore]

Yeah i got it on my ps5

I did have it on my pc but it couldn’t handle it

And i lost temek again

Omg

[rancid herald]

I feel like the biggest issue with it was it being in first person lol

[fickle garnet]

They added a third person mode

[visual hill]

I often see it described as "peak Ubislop"

it's very good by these standards, but if you are bored of that game design, you will probably find it boring once again

it has options to reduce/disable exploration markers, like most modern Ubisoft games

[random steppe]

Games that give that option but don't really expect most people to turn it on have the problem that they don't build in altenative systems to hint the player towards point of interests sadly

[visual hill]

yeah, having the opposite problem is quite common in the end, which is bad when you only have 24 hours a day

[astral steeple]

holy lol

is weird playing thps 1+2 on a computer on maximum settings

[rancid herald]

I got a few switch 2 games for christmas and I realized today that this was the first time I've actually played a physical game on the console since I bought it

the slot is a bit... weird compared to the switch

[fresh bane]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2754380/The_Roottrees_are_Dead/

Steam

The Roottrees are Dead

The year is 1998. A private jet belonging to the Roottree Corporation has crashed. On it were the Roottree Sisters and their parents. Combined, they were worth over a billion dollars.

Now, due to the eccentricities of their great-great-grandfather Elias, their money must be redistributed to the rest of the family. But who's actually a BLOO…

Price

$15.99

Recommendations

4340

Metacritic

86

watching someone playing this game right now and I'm baffled at the fact that this is just an Obra-Dinn-like

[slim thorn]

do tell if it's good when you get farther in

[fresh bane]

So far it seems pretty good, it's basically Obra Dinn but you're not physically moving around any crime scene or something like that, you're browsing the internet looking for more information on people, you have a giant little information board and articles you look through so it's more menuing than actually being there like in Obra Dinn, but it weirdly still has that same style from Obra Dinn even down to the little reveal of information when you get enough correct clues

No time-travelling magical watch this time but still the same general gameplay loop idea

you have the internet though! that's basically the same as a time travel magical watch the internets got everything in it

[river veldt]

when will Lucas Pope make a new game 😔

[slim thorn]

I remember when I played Obra Dinn thinking ||who tf gives this magical superpower to an insurance claims inspector? ...and then we learn why we're really there. Such a great twist.||

[uneven epoch]

itd be nice to play more detective games

unfortunately i stuffed my gamelist with so many dang big rpgs...

[slim thorn]

I'd probably enjoy some but it's so rare that I hear about any and the mood has not struck me quite yet

[uneven epoch]

still, thanks for the info nire, ill throw it on my wishlist cause why not

[fresh bane]

This one looks pretty good so far to me, I'm not immediately buying it because I'm saving up right now but I'd totally take a look at it later if this streamer doesn't just finish the whole thing right now

okay good he stopped like literally as soon as I sent that message so he only played for a bit LUL

good, I wont get spoiled

But yeah that one looks really nice if you actually liked the general gameplay of Obra Dinn and you don't mind not actually walking around and seeing stuff but instead organizing the information

and using the internet!

[uneven epoch]

admittedly i didnt even play obra dinn

which i guess i could, i know the premise but zero other stuff (i always forget theres time travel somehow...)

"obra dinn, right thats the ship one"

[fresh bane]

I keep bringing up Obra Dinn just because it has the same style but I guess they're not that dissimilar from a detective game, it's all gathering clues to put together the big picture of a mystery in the end so that's generally what I mean

also Obra Dinn is the only game of that type I played because I just don't generally play that sort of games

....and I actually tried for that too, I didn't want to use guides for as long as I could, the only time I used a guide was for a specific part where everyone used a guide because the game requires you to just kinda guess instead of actually giving you a specific clue

[visual hill]

I've finished THPS 3+4 on game pass recently, will play 1+2 once it goes on a deep enough sale

it runs beautifully in 4K 144 Hz at maxed settings and DLAA, although DLSS Quality is needed to fully lock to 144 FPS in demanding scenes (otherwise, it'll drop to around 120 FPS)

a DLSS Ultra Quality middleground (1800p) would be ideal, as there's plenty of GPU headroom left. (Third-party tools can achieve this, e.g. DLSSTweaks)

[slim thorn]

I only used a guide for the part of Obra Dinn where ||you have to be racist and assume that people from X only hang out with other people from X ||

[random steppe]

This looks very fun

[quiet swift]

gawd damn. My fiancée's twitch recap. She streamed nearly every day

[quiet swift]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Fallout/comments/1p5c0hx/7000_hours_of_fallout_76_on_an_oled/

That's some serious burn in

[fresh bane]

what if it was orangeeeee

[tiny wigeon]

Finished Deltarune 1-4, honestly, not super impressed; and I still feel like Ralsei is evil.

I get why some people would love, or go crazy for it. But I just found it frustrating that information is being kept from us the viewer, and none of my choices felt like they matter (which i know is a major idea of the game, but i wasnt a fan)

I thought the ||Jevil|| fight was the hardest by far, every other fight was far easier. I think the only fight I died more than once besides him, was ||the first roaring knight fight||

I'll still probably play 5-7 once they drop

[proud warren]

(Not counting the first 2 chapters secret bosses cus i haven't done them personally) the only times I died during my playthru was ||the knight|| and funnily enough, the first spamton battle, the one where he tries hustling you for a deal

I only died to him once tho

Other than that, no deaths

[craggy vine]

I was gonna try downloading emudeck but turns out it doesn't even have the console I want to emulate

[tiny wigeon]

yeah im sure a lot of peeps went deathless just by chance, I almost feel like there should be a diffculty option...

[tender summit]

something I really want to get set up is a pub trot but in VRC

get a bunch of pony people together and we hop around public worlds in pony avatars and just have some fun

[tiny wigeon]

that does sound like a dream

[arctic fern]

https://youtu.be/cTPBGZcTRqo

Dude installed factorio on floppy disks and beat it

[tender summit]

it really would be!

I hope people here are interested

[tiny wigeon]

Do you use a VR for vrc or desktop?

[tender summit]

I use VR

but since VRC can be played without VR

it would still be a very inclusive gathering

[tiny wigeon]

i used to have a valve index, but I sold it, thinking of getting a different VR at some point

as much as i dont like facebook, the newer meta headsets are pretty good, and pretty cheap

[tender summit]

I recommend either getting a used Quest 2 or wait for the Steam Frame

[cunning galleon]

Found a weird zomboid bug

These two identical cars are the same cars

While I was driving it spawned my own car behind me

Both are hotwired already too

[arctic fern]

Dont complain and accept the free car lol

[cunning galleon]

Fuck I should've towed the other car

Now I'm in Lake Ivy chilling in their police station

Without double sized textures this sux, I'll change it back

I'll get another car then go back for it

I turned off zombies that can crawl under so i plan to block off that area and live in Lake Ivy's police department

[tender summit]

Downloading cars!

[cunning galleon]

Oh yay roof access in the PD, i can do roof farming

[astral steeple]

I've played through and 100%ed the 3 tour and 4 tour with like 4 or 5 skaters I think

I still gotta go through and do it with the rest

[icy crescent]

they didn't write ori on the book... this game's ass

[orchid sundial]

playstation plus is so expensive 😭

why did they have the gall to increase the price of all yearly plans

[fickle garnet]

It's still cheaper than game pass

[orchid sundial]

wait it is?

[fickle garnet]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure

At least it's cheaper than game pass ultimate

Even the highest their of ps plus is

[orchid sundial]

okay yeah you're right it is more expensive

than ps plus

ngl i don't like the library that xbox game pass has, there's way more M-Rated/Realistic-looking/violent/shooter games and those aren't my thing

Playstation plus seems to have more variety

-# though that's what i observe from xbox in general, there's way too much m rated stufd

[arctic fern]

Dont buy it then

[cunning galleon]

character

Baguette

[fickle garnet]

You wouldn't download a car...

[shell shore]

Eelay my silly girl

Temek is tired of her

[astral steeple]

holy throwback lol

[river veldt]

what is it ?

[astral steeple]

its this old action adventure kit tech demo thing for the torque game engine from like 2007

had it on my old laptop from a while ago but it wouldnt run good at all and was constantly dropping fps. now im able to play it at full speed and higher graphics

[quiet swift]

Oh boy

(the pics on the right can safely be ignored as these are already known things)

[tender summit]

Trying to get a VRC public world trot going. @ me of you'd like to join!

[craggy vine]

Ubisoft leak be like: Oh look another assassins creed game coming

[river veldt]

im watching NorthernLion play The Looker and it's so funny

[gaunt marten]

Is that the witness parody?

[river veldt]

ye

idk there's something amusing to me about taking the piss out of Jonathan Blow

[gaunt marten]

Yeah I don't like that guy

[mossy flume]

He's not great

[slim thorn]

The Witness had so much potential

...I just realized, Talos Principle is more or less what The Witness thinks it is

[frozen gate]

try The Looker

oh

we're talking about The Looker

to be fair i just saw this last bit before reading up

[slim thorn]

yeah the Looker is funny for five minutes but if you actually want to solve a bunch of puzzles you need a more substantial game

[quiet swift]

Oop, almost forgot to check the free epic game

[craggy vine]

wait they still do that?

People who have done that every week must have an insanely big game library now

[slim thorn]

probably not unlike those of us who tried to make the most of Steam sales and Humble bundles, and now own hundreds of unplayed games

[craggy vine]

pf yeah

I haven't because like, I don't want to use epic games, and for steam salea I still see buying games I don't actually want as being a bit of a waste of money

[slim thorn]

well, with sales it's more like I thought I would want to play this but never actually got around to it, or tried it and it sucked so I dropped it right away

EGS I do have installed for one or two exclusives, just with all the notifications and stuff turned off so if I'm not actively playing an EGS exclusive I forget it exists

[craggy vine]

ah I see

I once got a humble bundle for insanely cheap but hardly played any of them. And then all the codes disappeared before I could activate them all. Also is the main reason for me having like 30 random unplayed games in steam library that I kinda wish I could get rid of

[slim thorn]

when I got bundles I made a point of activating all the keys immediately so I'd never have to worry about that, even the games I expected to never play

[craggy vine]

Yeah I should have done that

My recent humble bundle buy was a pony card game

look at herrrr

[graceful bridge]

I don't need it...
I don't need it...
I don't need it...

https://youtu.be/x9gW9To_saQ?si=jsWTuzd2JEMZjZ_c

[craggy vine]

Wait I have watched this guy before

He lives up to his name

Also yeah this thing is really cool

Better then the little $40 108 games in 1 thingy I got, but that is still fun for its own reasons

[graceful bridge]

Yeah, this one is pricey (~$200 USD), but the screen is incredible, and it seems really well designed.

[craggy vine]

Part of me would like something like this, but I'm still like, I already have a portable device with Linux instead of Android.

I appreciate these things though, but I think for a lot of people they would rather go for something more

[mossy flume]

Huh, 3D capable

Old memory unlocked: Ben Heck did a major mod of the Nintendo Wii back in circa 2007 to make a portable console. Today we can just… do that. In a nice package.

Tech is wild these days.

(I know this doesn’t do Wii, but y’know… associations)

[craggy vine]

Well yeah these devices are android and pretty powerful

[mossy flume]

It would be even more interesting as a FPGA device, but that would make it even more expensive

[craggy vine]

I mean he even played Silksong on it there

[graceful bridge]

Yeah, I already have my Steam Deck, so this would be redundant. I can just run an emulator on the SD if I really want.

[mossy flume]

Dang, really? What chip does it have?

[graceful bridge]

But having that old-school Gameboy form factor is just nostalgia bait.

[craggy vine]

Yeah, same for me. And I got emudeck with all the emulators now, so I can just find the rom and put it in there when I want

[craggy vine]

Oh wait he also played skyrim

[graceful bridge]

Yeah, he even got Skyrim to run, though it took some effort.

[mossy flume]

And to be fair, the GameBoy form factor actually is a damn good design

Not wide and chonky like a Steam Deck or Switch is

[craggy vine]

Yeah he was showing off the android windows pc x86 to arm android thing

[mossy flume]

There’s something to be said about pocketability

[graceful bridge]

Dimensity 8300 Processor, high-efficiency 4nm process technology 5G SOC chip, Octa-core CPU including 1[email protected] + 3[email protected] + 4*[email protected]

[craggy vine]

That is true. Though personally my pockets are already full with my phone, wallet and keys, and I don't really want anything else in my pockets.

[mossy flume]

The hell is Dimensity

MediaTek

Huh, neat

That’s a pretty hefty boi

[craggy vine]

He also mentioned something about drivers not being there for some PC stuff

[mossy flume]

High end smartphone chip, basically. Cool stuff.

[craggy vine]

Also god I remember back in 2020 when I got my phone, I was so impressed by how it could play PS2 games. Now PS2 emulation on android devices/phones is just normal I guess, and PC games on phones is the new impressive thing

[mossy flume]

And wow, we can just make custom boards with 4nm chips now?? That’s not strictly OEM anymore? Wild

[cunning galleon]

I can relate

[mossy flume]

Man, the hardware scene is hecking exciting these days

[craggy vine]

It really is, especially for portable devices

[mossy flume]

I wonder then if this thing can run Dolphin without exploding horribly

[craggy vine]

It probably can, wii games aren't that hard to run really. Though idk how you would go about playing them.

[mossy flume]

Bluetooth is all you’d need, really. But yeah, I guess GameCube would make more sense with that device

[craggy vine]

Like, how do you do the wiimote?

[mossy flume]

Dolphin supports the wiimote and all related accessories. You just need a Bluetooth connection.

And an IR bar

[craggy vine]

huh I didn't know you could do that

[mossy flume]

[craggy vine]

No no just use candles

[mossy flume]

Yeah it just uses almost perfectly standard Bluetooth, connecting to it on a PC has never been hard

[craggy vine]

huh damn

I thought only with the switch controllers did it become bluetooth

[mossy flume]

Nah, Wii was the first.
(What was Wavebird?)

[craggy vine]

idk what you mean with wavebird

[mossy flume]

Hm, some sort of 2.4GHz protocol

[mossy flume]

Oof, ow, my age

Wavebird was the name of Nintendo’s official wireless GameCube controller

And like everyone’s favorite GameCube controller

[craggy vine]

Wait the gamecube had a wireless controller?

Omg

[mossy flume]

Yep

An official one

[craggy vine]

I have never played on gamecube, I was a PS2 kid

[mossy flume]

https://hackaday.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/wavebird_feat.png?w=800

Looked like that

[craggy vine]

Damn

[mossy flume]

Took 2 AA batteries

[craggy vine]

Also I'm sorry but that controller in general just really triggers me, I could never deal with that

[mossy flume]

Everyone loved it, it was constantly sold out

And these days it is EXPENSIVE AS HELL

[unreal idol]

I have one

[craggy vine]

Yeah makes sense

I also would be worried to use it cause if you break it, it can't be replaced easily

[mossy flume]

Yeah I’m supposed to have two. I only know where one is. And it’s main joystick has a good bit of drift

Mine wasn’t silver though

I don’t think

Maybe it was

[craggy vine]

nooo not stick drift

[mossy flume]

I’d have to dig it up

Anyway, that was Nintendo’s first real wireless controller

But it had some sort of custom protocol

Wii used a very slightly modified version of Bluetooth (and I mean VERY slightly)

So slight that standard dongles still worked with it

[craggy vine]

The ABXY buttons all being different shapes and sizes there triggers me. And the different sized sticks. And how they aren't just a circle.

What if you put the stick between one of those indents

[mossy flume]

Back in the day it was a bit of a pain to get Wii controllers working on Dolphin, but these days it’s just all built-in to it
I should try that again sometime

[craggy vine]

I see I see

Hey do you remember when computers wouldn't have bluetooth
(and technically you can still get a pc without it)

[mossy flume]

I do

[craggy vine]

My desktop I still have here that I don't use doesn't have bluetooth. Has wifi though.

[mossy flume]

I had to buy a USB dongle for it back then because my high end gaming PC didn’t have it built-in back in 2004

[craggy vine]

Damn I was 2 in 2004

[mossy flume]

I was 12

[craggy vine]

What a reminder that I am talking with people much older then me

[teal sonnet]

holy shit

H3 confirmed

[craggy vine]

bruh

https://youtu.be/sqptnpn_NWQ?si=y_Jfzw5W1jbevkh3
Also this is a video on pc games on android, if you are interested

[quiet swift]

My epic library says 554 items and I know I've missed a decent amount too
speaking of, there's another new one today

[craggy vine]

daamn

[astral steeple]

Oh isn't that that game smii7y played

[little badger]

https://www.gog.com/blog/gog-is-getting-acquired-by-its-original-co-founder-what-it-means-for-you/

Gog is changing

The co-founder of CD PROJEKT has acquired gog from CD PROJEKT

[mossy flume]

Oh just came here to post this

[bitter stream]

having read some of it, it looks like GOG is staying the same, just ownership is changing?

[mossy flume]

Pretty much

And it’s not going very far either

People involved are mostly not changing, just the structure is

[bitter stream]

that's good, the folks at GOG seem to have done a decent job so far

i appreciate their efforts to maintain older games on current OSes

hell, I wouldn't have been able to even find a copy of "World in Conflict" without GOG hahah, and now I own it without DRM. it's nice

[visual hill]

TGE was the GOAT, it powered Marble Blast and Tribes 2

[visual hill]

yay, one more game to remove from my ITAD waitlist 😛

[astral steeple]

It sucks that garagegames got sold leaving the original xbox 360 marble blast ultra stuck in limbo and unable to be bought anymore

[quiet swift]

ITAD?

[frozen gate]

is there any deal site

tracks a bunch of storefronts to find the cheapest price on sale

gog, steam, humble, gmg

[arctic fern]

https://isthereanydeal.com/

[mossy flume]

https://delistedgames.com/all-delisted-steam-games/

[fresh bane]

Lesson learned today, don't stick your head inside the PC case and blow to try and get all the dust off the components
I can still taste the dirt...

time to invest in one of those electric air duster thingies and do this... outside next time

[cerulean herald]

I dont think it is recommended to blow with your mouth, since theres gonna be a lot of moisture in your breath

[wind stump]

Hell just buy a can of compressed air

That's what I did, it had a little nozzle on it

[cerulean herald]

what product do you use specifically

[fresh bane]

Right, but I'd probably get an electric one just for the reusability, people also seem to prefer those from what I've seen from the little research I did about pc cleaning afterwards

[fresh bane]

Well the good news is that I didn't really blow on a whole lot anyways because of the dirt that immediately flew into my face

[wind stump]

(i probably should get an electric one myself)

[fresh bane]

I just kind of cleaned some of the dust sitting on the bottom part of the case for now and I'll get an electric one soon and get all those nooks and crannies clean, because in years of using this computer I did not clean any of those little corners at all

so that's probably not... good

[cerulean herald]

as long as your pc isnt having overheating issues bc of the sheer amount of dust

[fresh bane]

Well it might have, I got two blue screens in the span of a few days once while I was playing Hades the other day and then it happened again while I was playing some TOTK, both times I was playing and doing something else like watching Twitch or recording so maybe it is a problem now?

but also, even if it ends up not being that, having all this dust from years of use and not regularly cleaning it is probably not good regardless so I might still want to invest in that, small little air dusters aren't even that expensive anyways

I do want to be careful with the fans, I've heard that if you spin the fans too hard they actually can generate power and it can mess up your motherboard so I may want to hold them down

[cerulean herald]

yeah, been trying to find a good air compressor for a while now, but I kinda need specific name/brands

[cerulean herald]

true you dont want the fans spinning like crazy
I also think(?) youd want to not have the thing blow too hard

[visual hill]

Chrysalis: Nooooooooo!

[wind stump]

it's not bug spray

well unless you consider dust a hardware bug

[fresh bane]

I mean it's probably still not good for a bug if you spray it on them enough times

or a person

[frozen gate]

ah nice little slay the spire guys

[fresh bane]

I've heard the electric ones can blow pretty hard so you can probably just hold it a decent distance away and it'll still work, they also usually have nozzles so you can get it on the small corners like the compressed air cans do

[rugged flax]

https://www.theverge.com/news/850832/gog-cd-projekt-acquisition-steam

[wind stump]

If I had the money at the time I would have completed the set with Watcher...
-# but also, fuck watcher all my homies hate watcher

[sacred grove]

A lot of words to say "nothing will change" practically speaking, especially if the original co-founder is behind it

unless GOG starts losing money and they get more desperate or something

[visual hill]

GOG isn't in a great financial situation right now (and since a couple of years really)

Cyberpunk carried their business a little, but it's back to being a game storefront until Witcher 4 comes out (which isn't anytime soon)

this is why they basically opened their own Patreon so to speak recently, asking users to tip their game preservation efforts

[sacred grove]

The value of the kind of service they provide has made itself more apparent over time, though. There's reason to be at least a little hopeful about it

Do I think they'll have explosive growth anytime soon? Not likely, no. A niche storefront and preservation effort is difficult to financially sustain in general, I imagine. I also think the need for such a thing only increases over time

The games we play today will become "classics" in the future

And we'll continue to have ever-changing operating systems on which to run them

[mossy flume]

Hey, the games that came out in 2001 are still recent!! Right?!

It’ll be weird for Cyberpunk 2077 to become a classic

Kids these days and their newfangled full-dive headsets

[fresh bane]

There's still so many games GOG doesn't have that I really hope they eventually are able to put in there, the fact that they got the RE and Dino Crisis games in there and did such a good job with them makes me really happy, but unfortunately they had to almost fight Capcom over the chance to even port them over because Capcom didn't really see a point to it because they already made the remakes so they didn't see why people would even want to ever play the originals again

I feel like unfortunately that's gonna become a more common mentality with all the remakes going on

[mossy flume]

Unfortunately, GOG won’t be able to preserve everything legally

[visual hill]

GTA V is already on its way to becoming retro

[mossy flume]

Soon, Animal Crossing 1’s clock will no longer align with the real world’s time.

[light gate]

oh shit

[visual hill]

any game with licensed cars: Allow us to introduce ourselves.

[slender wolf]

Illegal preservation for the win

[visual hill]

replacing cars with unlicensed versions is possible, as shown in World Racing 2 Champion Edition, but I doubt big car games would do that since licensed cars are a big part of their appeal

[slender wolf]

[light gate]

isn't this the 32bit situation?

[mossy flume]

Actually no! If this was true the clock would last about another ten years

[visual hill]

car licensing ought to be indefinite in a perfect world, but it won't happen without regulation or something, which I don't see happening on this particular subject

it never made a lot of sense to be timed in the first place

[slender wolf]

it sucks but it's not the end of the world since the best racing games imo end up being supported by fan mods and piracy

[mossy flume]

Animal Crossing 1’s clock is limit because of an extremely specific, single-day a year mechanic: the harvest moon.

They pre-calculated the lunarsolis calendar up to 2030

And that’s it

That’s the whole reason why the game’s entire system clock is hard-limited to 2030

[slender wolf]

You have 1gb of disk space and you can't fit a longer lunar solar calculator

Oh wait, it started out as a n64 game

[river veldt]

no

[slender wolf]

That might be why

[mossy flume]

The decompiled copy of AC can be patched to fix this, but…

[mossy flume]

Yep

[light gate]

if > 2030 then FATAL_ERROR

lmao

[sacred grove]

I like the recent trend of de/recompiling games to keep them on modern platforms. Even if the corporations themselves won't do it, the community finds a way

[mossy flume]

The clock will turn over if you let it go past New Years, but saving the game will have the clock roll back to 2030

[slender wolf]

The apple Lisa has a weird bug where it works from 1980-1995 and not any other dates

Also the internal clock battery leaks everywhere and only lasts like four years

[mossy flume]

Yes. This is genuinely an incredibly important effort.

[hasty patio]

Finally, we can do the time warp again (and without the dance number).

[river veldt]

idk why but this really depresses me lol

[mossy flume]

Unfortunately it doesn’t scale well since it takes so much work to decompile each game

[slender wolf]

Xbox 360 recompiling leaves me hopeful for a recompile of games like all pro football 2k8

And other 360 games that aren't on pc

[mossy flume]

Only a few years left to play the original Animal Crossing fully legit

It distresses me too

[slender wolf]

I love reading about missingno, even though I don't play pokemon

Computer limitations are fun

[river veldt]

missingno is the best pokemon

have they ever officially acknowledged missingno

[slender wolf]

It was covered in Nintendo power

[gaunt marten]

They should buy Sonic from Sega and make him a Pokémon

[slender wolf]

The minus world was also covered in Nintendo power I think

[slim thorn]

also because it's only viable on the earliest systems, where the entire codebase of a game was still simple enough to be fully understood by one or a few humans, and used little if any 3rd party libraries/engines/frameworks

[slender wolf]

But 360 games have been recompiled

[mossy flume]

Yeah. GameCube is probably as far as it reasonably goes.

[slender wolf]

Specifically, sonic unleashed and sonic 06

https://github.com/hedge-dev/UnleashedRecomp

[fresh bane]

Nothing good happened the last time Sonic and Pokemon got combined

[gaunt marten]

That's because they did not add a single Sonic to Pokemon

[slim thorn]

I don't know where exactly the cutoff is since I don't look at binary code for these things myself, but modern games (when not written in a language amenable to decomp tools) are definitely way past it, especially when the game is a moving target because of ongoing updates

[slender wolf]

Yeah. The 360 is just... I still consider it modern

But in some ways it's not

[mossy flume]

It’s a powerPC

[sacred grove]

Any system where the games largely rely on some standard/interpretable form of API calls is a potential target for de/recompilation, or translation layer

[river veldt]

wait what

[slender wolf]

Perhaps more importantly, after the 360 generation, almost all games have native PC ports, except Nintendo games, making recompilation less important (except Nintendo games)

[slim thorn]

in my head, the 360 generation was the first modern console generation, the point where gen differences to me are just slightly more pixels on screen and no longer contained any fundamental shifts in what kinds of gaming experiences were possible

[cerulean herald]

pretty sure thats a sonichu reference

[river veldt]

OH

[slender wolf]

Instead of recompiling a ps4 game, it's safe to assume they'd either come to PC at some point or that a sequel or remaster will come to pc

Nearly all PS4 and Xbox one games have

[mossy flume]

In my head it’s the generation after 360 and PS3

[slim thorn]

of course in regular history, the "early modern period" means things like the Renaissance

[mossy flume]

But that’s a fair argument too, they were pretty close to each other

[slender wolf]

Nintendo will of course continue doing their own thing for the foreseeable future

[fresh bane]

I still hold the opinion that aiming for new consoles and new generations is largely unnecessary now when they could just keep reiterating more updated versions of the already existing PS5 or Xbox hardware and just stay here for a while

[slim thorn]

yeah it'd be hard to pin down exactly where that line was crossed, and I did almost nothing with my own PS3 (that might've been the first console I semi-regretted buying due to having so few games?)

[fresh bane]

It was way more necessary back then to do a new generation entirely after like half a decade but now I really don't think I'm gonna be wowed by a PS6

[slim thorn]

I mean right now they can't even come up with a reason for me to care about consoles, full stop
(exclusives are cheating)

[mossy flume]

The generations have been getting longer for that reason

[slender wolf]

I often say gaming plateaued with the PS2 generation, which was the last one that new genres were introduced for the most part I feel like

Most of the tentpole series we have today existed even then.

Call of duty, gta, halo, etc

The only big new thing since then seems to be battle royale

In terms of stuff with staying power

[mossy flume]

That and sandbox games. Pretty much it.

[slim thorn]

I wouldn't define it by genres existing because we still see new genres forming every few years, especially in the PC indie space where market forces actually encourage innovation, but none of those recent genres formed due to recent tech advances

[slender wolf]

You could argue PC had those by this time.

Rollercoaster tycoon, SimCity 3000

[mossy flume]

Hm I guess

[slim thorn]

"only battle royale" ooooooh boy, sorry, that is a classic "you need to play more games" hot take

roguelites were a huge thing for one

[slender wolf]

Everyone knows I only talk about games I don't play them

[slim thorn]

whatever soulslikes means, those were huge

[mossy flume]

True, I was trying to remember if that showed up as a resurgence

[slim thorn]

more recently we've had bullet heavens / vampire survivor-likes even though I don't personally see the appeal

[slender wolf]

But wait, aren't rogue lites literally the oldest game around

[slim thorn]

you're mixing up roguelikes with roguelites

[mossy flume]

Roguelite!= roguelike

[slim thorn]

Rogue is ancient, but the roguelite genre is much newer

[slender wolf]

I don't know the difference since I don't play either one

[gaunt marten]

Rogue Legacy is the first popular roguelite

[slim thorn]

Isaac was 2011, FTL was 2012, Rogue Legacy was 2013, so yeah that's about when roguelites got big

[visual hill]

this reminds me, I'm porting the Dinosaur Planet HD fonts pack I made to the recomp as we speak

[mossy flume]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1443430/Rogue/

Steam

Rogue

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Remember your roots

[slender wolf]

Bullet heavens -- what's the difference between a bullet heaven and a game like gauntlet, smash tv or robotron?

[slim thorn]

the biggest difference is that roguelites will generally have some form of metaprogression, where "failed" runs still contribute toward your sucess in future runs somehow

[slender wolf]

[sacred grove]

Games with tough battles and tightly-designed combat where you have to "learn the pattern". That's what I would summarize the 'soulslike' genre as

[slender wolf]

I see.

[slim thorn]

personally I mostly dislike roguelites because the procedural generation and randomness usually just leads to mediocre and inconsistent experiences

[slender wolf]

This is gonna sound really old guy style, but this always just looked, surface level, like a nes game in 3d.

[slim thorn]

but Hades and Blue Prince are easily my favorite roguelites (though Blue Prince is kinda in a subgenre on its own; has anyone else even made a "roguelite point-and-click puzzler"?)

[slender wolf]

That is to say, I viewed souls likes as basically Castlevania I or ninja gaiden on nes

But I don't actually play them so that was just a very surface level impression

[slim thorn]

the irony that this defintion contains very little of what I like and some of what I dispute Souls itself had

but that's a whole other tangent

[random steppe]

I also feel like "no new genre" is not a fair way to look at how things changed along the way.
Of course earlier in an industry there is gonna be more variety in innovation as the low hanging fruits get picked.

Coming up with "man with gun shoot at thing" doesn't take the same level of creativity than coming up with a game like "The Return of the Obra Dinn.

Not to say that shooters can't be creatively done, in fact they kind of have to be now if they want to stand out at all at this point.

[light gate]

Sometimes smashing different concepts together works, other times it does not.

[cerulean herald]

Bullet Hell has enemy projectiles all over the screen you'd have to dodge
in Bullet Heaven most if not all of the projectiles in the screen come from you

[astral steeple]

Wasn't the "only up" style games a new genre that came out somewhat recently lol

[slim thorn]

(you asked earlier about bullet heavens, but someone else will have to answer that since I don't play them and don't fully understand the difference myself, I just know it was recently popularized by Vampire Survivors in 2022)

[slender wolf]

Well, yeah, saying the industry plateaued doesn't mean innovation stopped, just that the low hanging fruit was picked and the technology stopped advancing so fast after PS2.

Fundamentally these are similar takes, I think, I'm just being more assertive about it

[visual hill]

lots of indie/niche games already worked this way, e.g. in Roblox, or rage games like Getting Over It, Alt + F4, etc

Atmosphir (a Roblox predecessor of sorts) had a lot of stuff like this

[slim thorn]

I feel like "only up style" is a bit small to call a genre

[random steppe]

I don't think it's a plateu just because most games can be put in, into one of the existing genre if you try hard enough

[astral steeple]

I mean it blew up decently fast

[slender wolf]

I wasn't just talking about genres when I spoke of the plateau. The evolution of graphics and technology and other fronts also slowed, and the industry matured in general.

[slim thorn]

especially since it's mostly defined by being "a platformer except kinda bad actually"?

[slender wolf]

That is my perspective,anyway

[slim thorn]

we know, but it's the claim about a genre plateau that everyone's responding to

[gaunt marten]

I'd classify Isaac and FTL as actual, strictly interpreted roguelikes!

[slender wolf]

Ahhhh

[gaunt marten]

It's vertical meta progression that takes Rogue Legacy out of the game

[slender wolf]

This is why I need to play more games.

[random steppe]

IDK, you cited the PS2 era when they plateu'd and I feel like by all of those metrics, you sort of can tell the difference between games from that era, and games fr today

[slender wolf]

I can, sure. But it's been twenty four years since ps2 came out. Put halo side by side with halo infinite, and then side by side with mega man 2.

You see what I mean?

[light gate]

This conversation reminds me of how much I've been playing Cult of the Lamb. Its not groundbreaking mechanic wise and has flaws, but the base management really feels nice after some big rogue-like grinds.

[slender wolf]

That's also twenty four years.

[astral steeple]

24 years? Wtf lol

[slender wolf]

Well, a little less for mega man 2 to PS2, that was 1988

A gap of 13 years

Did math wrong

[gaunt marten]

Apparently, Strange Adventures in Infinite Space might be an earlier roguelite

https://rich.itch.io/strangeadventures

[slender wolf]

The actual game twenty four years before PS2 came out is... The launch of the 2600

So, breakout.

[gaunt marten]

By the five moons of Gartha, it's true! Strange Adventures in Infinite Space (2002), the first space roguelite (Ooooo), is back and available from itch.io exclusively!
BUT

[slender wolf]

That somehow surprises even me

[gaunt marten]

the original page from 23 years ago says:
SAIS is a roguelike, which means that the game is different every time it is played. Stars, planets, black holes, nebula mass, alien patrols, items, lifeforms and other encounters are randomized for each new Strange Adventure.

So is it a roguelike or a roguelite?

[slender wolf]

Breakout to halo in 24 years. Then halo to doom the dark ages in the next 24

[astral steeple]

Only like 12 years till the xbox one becomes retro good lord lol

Maybe sooner

[slender wolf]

Obviously, there's massive differences here, but the first 24 years barely both register as the same type of entertainment

It's worth noting when the Wii came out in 2006, everyone agreed the snes was retro

[slim thorn]

(personally I don't think the roguelike/lite distinction is all that important, but I also have zero emotional attachment to Rogue or either genre; what's of interest to me is the ~one-decade-ago boom in that genre and how it influenced some games I do care about)

[slender wolf]

If we go by this logic, the PS4 should be retro in two to three years

But obviously that doesn't make sense.

[slim thorn]

"retro" was never about making sense

[slender wolf]

[frozen gate]

retro is how yellow your console is and the more yellower it is the retroer it is

[gaunt marten]

I count retro console as "a console you can no longer get for sale from the original manufacturer, that games are no longer officially released for"

[slim thorn]

and by any definition it's such a moving target that I don't find it to be a useful word most of the time

distinctions that matter way more would be e.g. whether I need an emulator

[slender wolf]

More or less.

[gaunt marten]

It's a useful word! It means you can't get this console from the store

[slender wolf]

In the us lots of stores sell retro games now and less stores sell physical modern games because who buys a game in a store

Sorry for ping

Tried to hit ping off, tap did not register

[slim thorn]

yeah, specific stores or sites often pick a meaning for it that is useful for them, and that's fine as long as they remember to explain what they picked

[random steppe]

I do think that you have a point specifically in the ps4 and ps5 generation if you specifically look at triple A games.

Games have become such expensive projects that the innovation is all left to the indie scene and when something break out or it, the AAA occasionally take a stab at it

[slim thorn]

mm-hmm, that's a big part of why we keep referring to indies and when indies exploded whenever these history questions come up

[slender wolf]

Indies are great

[slim thorn]

one of the biggest trends in video gaming history was AAAs becoming so large that eventually there was space "underneath" them for indie devs to explode

[slender wolf]

On consoles the rise of digital distribution was key

On PCs indies had already existed from time to time in the form of shareware and flash games etc, though at a much smaller scale

[slim thorn]

and that relationship largely hasn't changed since; as you say innovation is basically done by indies and occasionally absorbed by AAAs after it's safe and familiar

[random steppe]

As far as technical improvement, there is a lot but games looking better isn't actually as noticeable until you get the occasional game that take advantage of the improvement in a more mechanical way.
Spider-Man for example

[quiet swift]

https://www.pcgamer.com/games/strategy/the-guy-responsible-for-the-whole-battle-engine-in-total-war-since-rome-1-had-never-worked-writing-game-code-when-he-got-the-assignment/

[gaunt marten]

They should backport Spiderman Miles Morales to the N64

[astral steeple]

Throwback to xbox 360s indie games lol

So much peak indie games that were better than most of the regular games on the 360

[slim thorn]

even Fortnite is a case of "battle royale" being popularized by an indie dev before Epic decided to pivot into adopting it

[slender wolf]

I still play super amazing wagon adventure

Originally sold on the xblig store it went semi viral and is now on steam

[astral steeple]

Fortresscraft was really good

The better minecraft before minecraft actually released on the 360 lol

[hasty patio]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/4164420/My_Winter_Car/

Steam

My Winter Car

This is the ultimate sequel to the acclaimed My Summer Car.

My Winter Car is a first person survival game about owning, assembling and maintaining an old project car. You buy and sell all sorts of random parts for to build the car while trying to maintain your money situation. In the long run you might want to build it a regular every day ca…

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[slender wolf]

Wasn't there an open world spiderman for PS2 or something?

Actually considered a good game I believe

[slim thorn]

there've been a lot of spiderman games though I'm not familiar with all of them and how open each was

[slender wolf]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spider-Man_2_(2004_video_game)

The PS2 version of this one is the one I'm most familiar with

Made by the legendary treyarch

Who now does cod

[river veldt]

yes people love Spider-Man 2

[astral steeple]

Oh yeah

"Don't be nervous talking to girls" was another classic from the indie games selection on 360 lmao

[river veldt]

it has amazing swinging physics

[mossy flume]

What.

Went from zero to that on the same job???

Dude missed his calling.

Or was late to it

[slender wolf]

I always sorta assumed the modern spiderman game was inspired by this one

[mossy flume]

It sorta is, yeah

[slender wolf]

Rockstar (who else) did make a 3d open world game on n64, rather infamously

[random steppe]

Ok listen, there have been good spider-man games before, for their times, but in the recent ones the fact that the city looks as good as it does while you do it, it's actually a whole another level

[slender wolf]

Yeah, I agree that obviously there's a world of difference between the two.

[astral steeple]

My favorite spiderman game has always been the ps1 and n64 spiderman ngl lol

[random steppe]

And the fact that it can even look as good as it does without the machine it is running on exploding

[slender wolf]

The movie , though, imo spider man 2 was peak spider man as a movie

[random steppe]

That is one of the few situations where graphics matter a lot

[slender wolf]

The game -- the modern ones definetely have the benefits of modernity

Which helps them a lot

[astral steeple]

Remastered and 2 on ps5 overall are really good

Granted I mainly just screw around and swing around etc and don't care much for the stories on them

[slender wolf]

Rockstars 3d open world on n64 is crazy impressive for it's time, but also gets throttled hard by being a game made in its time

Name of the game is body harvest

Unfortunately the console just wasn't big enough to run it well and it was also unpolished but a lot of the ideas would be reused in GTA iii

[gaunt marten]

I have never watched one of that guy's videos and he seems so mean

[astral steeple]

What

[slender wolf]

I didn't watch this particular video but I've seen other Markiplier videos.

He always seemed fine

[astral steeple]

Markiplier has never been a mean person

[slender wolf]

Yeah, he's been relatively scandal free

I'm not really a guy who likes Markiplier I just shared it because it was one of a few videos that went viral and made this game successful

[gaunt marten]

Well he's mean in this video

[slender wolf]

Oh

Well sorry then

[visual hill]

Space Station Silicon Valley too

I had that on PS1, my brother was mostly the one playing it though

[slender wolf]

I think the video i saw on wagon adventure was by protonjon

[visual hill]

PS1 is also the worst version overall, but we didn't have a N64 back then

[slender wolf]

But that wasn't a viral video

Markiplier and rooster teeth were the ones who propelled sales of the game with their videos that got over a million views

[mossy flume]

I don't expect people to be perfect, so a minor blemish or two doesn't bother me. I haven't hard of any problems with Markiplier. Although I don't really care for his stuff, so it's not like I'm paying attention.

[cerulean herald]

video is 13 years old, but yeah

[slender wolf]

Also, totalbiscuit (rip) covered it

Welp

[cerulean herald]

I havent watched a vid from him in ages, but last I recall, he mellowed out a bit, compared to his early start

[slender wolf]

Makes sense.

I think the only video I watched of him was from 2016.

[mossy flume]

I only saw his original lets plays of FNAF way back in the day

[gaunt marten]

In the video he starts by making three characters. Himself, a person named bob which he likes, and a person named wade which is female because he's "the bitch of the relationship"

He proceeds to make fun of Wade for the whole video

[slender wolf]

I deleted the video link because apparently it's bad

Internet humor back then sure was sometihng

[gaunt marten]

It surprised me a lot because I was expecting someone who is polite and friendly

[slender wolf]

He normally is tbh but I guess in his early videos he isn't because the style at the time (tm)

Early internet humor was mean

If you compare a launch era PewDiePie video to one he made a few years ago there's a similar change.

[mossy flume]

PDP is still making videos? I thought he retired or something, given that nobody talks about him anymore

[slender wolf]

That's why I said a few years ago

[mossy flume]

Also he was like... a Nazi or something?

[slender wolf]

But yes, he still makes vlogs sometimes.

[cerulean herald]

Internet landscape was much more wild

[slender wolf]

Idk, he has drama for sure, I never liked his content anyway so I don't follow him

[astral steeple]

Pewdiepie was never a nazi

It was moreso edgy internet humor and him making dumb mistakes

[cerulean herald]

last I heard from him, he was glazing a japanese author who was not a good person

[mossy flume]

I just heard claims of him doing some antisemetic stuff on camera, but never bothered to dig into it because I don't care for his stuff either

[slender wolf]

Most of his most recent content seems to be vlogs about his family

I think the only video by him i ever watched in full was one where he modded ponies into skyrim

[mossy flume]

Yeah I definitely watched one of his let's plays a long time ago but can't for the life of me remember what it was

[slender wolf]

The mod was kinda funny but his commentary didnt really seem all that memorable, so I never watched anything else.

[mossy flume]

Just "thing that made him famous" sort of thing, probably

Not my genre, though

[cerulean herald]

he used Fiverr (app where ppl will do stuff for 5 bucks) and paid 2 guys to hold a sign that said kill all jews, his excuse is that he didnt think they would do it, but its still awful

theres other stuff too (saying the n word with a hard R during a pubg stream) but even then theres too many incidents that it removes plausible deniability, and certainly not "lol edgy humor"

[slender wolf]

Wtf

[mossy flume]

Oh yes, that was it

[slender wolf]

SMH people b like

[mossy flume]

And yeah, his use of language is what killed all plausible deniability

Shortly after that I just never heard about him again, so I just assumed his career was dead and he vanished

[slim thorn]

pewdiepie was the textbook example of the "edgy humor" excuse being taken way beyond plausibility, basically forcing you to judge him as either an actual nazi or exceptionally stupid

[slender wolf]

Possibly he was in with a extremist sect but left?

Anyway it's not worth thinking about

I never watched him anyway

[slim thorn]

I also never watched his videos, since all I ever heard implied he was the peak of screaming facecam "humor" which I've never had any interest in

[slender wolf]

More or less from the one video I did see.

[mossy flume]

Yeah, that was his whole schtick and I hated that crap

[slim thorn]

I just happen to know this because of some video essays on the alt-right pipeline pulling out all the clips of insanely stupid things he did lol

[cerulean herald]

I know one vid that referred it as the pewdiepipeline

i think i know what channel ur talking about

or one of them

[light gate]

I used to watch him, he really shouts a lot of memey stuff. So its not surprising that he found the 4leaf rabbit hole and fell.

[slim thorn]

I think we are

[slender wolf]

I tended to prefer LPs in the something awful lp mold

Less screaming, less facecams, more thoughtful commentary

[light gate]

Its a wild rabbit hole because its really a process of boiling a frog very slowly. It starts as “edgy” but then slowly becomes more ‘accepting’ and they become true beliefs.

[mossy flume]

I just watch GDQ if I'm ever watching anyone play a video game

[slim thorn]

the pipeline metaphor is pretty hard to beat

these days there are so many high quality video essayists that I mostly don't prioritize let's plays any more

[slender wolf]

I like video essays too

[light gate]

I mean, I’m glad one of my friends splashed me cold water and jumped tf out.

It can happen to anyone.

[astral steeple]

One of my favorite let's play youtubers was always salmence100

He mainly did nintendo games and super mario 64 rom hacks

[quiet swift]

All i know of pewdiepie is that he's been on trash taste, currently lives in japan and is raising his family there, and surfs

[slim thorn]

the most recent exception was when the Silent Hill 2 remake came out, I found an LP of the remake by a guy who was waaaaaay more into original SH2 lore than I was, so he was constantly pointing out little differences and references that I got only a small fraction of myself; that definitely elevated the experience for me

[slender wolf]

I've often mentioned my love for hbomberguy, for instance

[mossy flume]

100% of the 4chan people I've ever known ended up being exactly what you would expect.

Only the ones who were like "oh shit, I see what's going on here" and bailed managed to not go insane.

[light gate]

Some scars for sure

But yeah…

[gaunt marten]

I wonder what a good metaphor we can use to replace frog boiling

Turns out frogs just leave the pot if it gets too hot

[light gate]

[slender wolf]

I feel like we can still use the metaphor even though it isn't true

[gaunt marten]

I don't agree unless we have no better option

[slender wolf]

Is there a similar metaphor in your native language

[gaunt marten]

Arabic doesn't have a metaphor for it, they just refer to the term by calling it gradual

[slim thorn]

frogs don't boil, lemmings don't run off cliffs, goldfish have long-term memory... the idiom committee really needs to talk to a zoologist

[gaunt marten]

Slopes, on the other hand, ARE slippery

[slim thorn]

depending on the material

[gaunt marten]

That would make for a great ad

"SLOPES THAT DON'T SLIP! BUY NOW!"

[light gate]

Real fake slopes.

[quiet swift]

Friendslopes

[gaunt marten]

https://i.imgur.com/IKgTCAJ.png

[light gate]

I’ll do you one better ||friendslop||

[quiet swift]

||I mean, that's the joke I was trying to make :P||

[light gate]

Pffft

[river veldt]

lol that sounds about right. they regularly rib Wade, it's all in good fun. theyve been friends for a long long time

[rugged flax]

Reminder that Wednesday is the last day to convert your Stadia controllers
https://9to5google.com/2025/12/29/google-stadia-controller-website-near-death/

[river veldt]

Stadia was a thing that existed

[light gate]

Why is there a time limit?

[slender wolf]

They have to contact a central server to update their firmware to the new one that doesn't need to contact a central server

[light gate]

… that is absolutely horrible

[slender wolf]

The new one has been available for many years and Google has kept their server up for several years, periodically informing people to update their stuff

[light gate]

Couldn’t they make a local proxy of some kind?

[slender wolf]

Not sure