Konami had a few unexpected Ws lately, we'll see if the streak continues
#general gaming
random steppe
tropic kindle
Did i win?
river veldt
random free Control update https://controlgame.com/control-march-2025-update-notes-pc/
adds some previously preorder only outfits, and the Hideo Kojima mission that was a PS4 exclusive
sour hill
Oh shit
bold sonnet
That's going to be so awesome, I hope they can do something amazing like first three ones. Im still curious to see how the new second one is stacking up against the original one
slim thorn
SH2 remake? shockingly, it’s on par with the original; there’s even a few things I like better in the remake (and ofc vice versa)
light gate
New Katamari Damacy in eight years.
Only on Apple Arcade unfortunately, unsure when it will leave Arcade.
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/katamari-damacy-rolling-live/id6449352814
Has no MTX tho so cool I guess.
sour hill
That's going to be so awesome, I hope they can do something amazing like first t...
Yeah I haven't played it yet actually. Need to do that sometime
My friends who've played it said it was good
visual hill
New Katamari Damacy in eight years.
Only on Apple Arcade unfortunately, unsure ...
good to know, I'll note this for when I'll activate the Apple Arcade trial
fresh bane
Do we know who's developing it?
For F it's listed as NeoBards Entertainment
For Townfall it's Annapurna Interactive
river veldt
Annapurna why do i know that name
slim thorn
Annapurna Interactive published What Remains of Edith Finch, Flower, Gorogoa, Gone Home, Outer Wilds, Journey, Kentucky Route Zero, The Pathless, Stray, Cocoon, and that's just the ones I'm personally aware of / care about
as far as I know, the only game publisher to earn a reputation for "if it's got that name on it, it's probably one of those really interesting indie games"
like when a movie comes out with A24 behind it
river veldt
ooh
fresh bane
Yeah more specifically the team that's developing Townfall is No Code, who have made games like Stories Untold and Observation
with some help from Annapurna Interactive apparently
What Silent Hill f has going for it is mostly the writer Ryukishi07 which surprised a lot of people when that detail came out to light
These two definitely are the games I've been more excited about and wished to see so I think these two will be great games and worth getting hyped about, at least I hope
visual hill
as far as I know, the only game _publisher_ to earn a reputation for "if it's go...
remember when Devolver was that?
slim thorn
personally, no, but I think most of what they published were in genres I'm not into
fresh bane
chilly mural
river veldt
i cannot for the life of me figure out this puzzle
it starts at the filled in square and ends at the empty one, has to go through all the white dots, can't go through x's
gaunt marten
i cannot for the life of me figure out this puzzle
Can you go through the same square twice?
gaunt marten
Not doubling back, but circling twice
gaunt marten
Do this https://i.imgur.com/Rj2sLHK.png
gaunt marten
It's tricky!
It took me a while to realize that the only way to do this puzzle is by not crossing either of the center lines
river veldt
the next puzzle was way easier because of course
i bought this game to shoot things not do puzzles 
gaunt marten
What game is it?
gaunt marten
Oh!
toxic seal
Would you like some ice for your back?
cunning galleon
i dont understand this
gaunt marten
You're carrying your whole team so your back must hurt
cunning galleon
oh , carry? nah
theres like 5 people in both teams and 50% are boths
bots
id be deadweight in like ..br8 or something
toxic seal
More like Dicker Min
toxic seal
Panzer IV? More like Panzer No More'd
little badger
New games with extra and premium tiers. Including 3 armoured core games https://blog.playstation.com/2025/03/12/playstation-plus-game-catalog-for-march-ufc-5-prince-of-persia-the-lost-crown-captain-tsubasa-rise-of-new-champions-and-more/
wind stump
LET'S GO GAMBLIIIIING
arctic fern
proud warren
been messing with modded balatro, and mmm I love having 15 retriggers 
visual hill
<:cadancewheeze:761000388232347658>
which mod is this?
arctic fern
It's not, I was playing co-op and the physics broke
Sorry I forgot to elaborate
The ball just stopped there
Weirdly, it was repeatable
visual hill
oh right
unreal idol
Can someone check the price of Celeste for me on steam? It booted me out and I don't remember my password
gaunt marten
Use steamdb to check
river veldt
currently on sale for $4.99
gaunt marten
Also, you don't need an account to see the price of a game
unreal idol
Also, you don't need an account to see the price of a game
Well it's pissing and moaning at me to log in
unreal idol
currently on sale for $4.99
Oh dang that's a good price
gaunt marten
little badger
Space marine 3 is in development. 2 has only been out for a few months.
gaunt marten
It is 75% off
unreal idol
https://store.steampowered.com/app/504230/Celeste/
This page doesn't load for me
river veldt
https://store.steampowered.com/app/504230/Celeste/
why is it in chinese and why does it say $328
gaunt marten
Discord bad caching
gaunt marten
This page doesn't load for me
Do you get an error message or a white page?
little badger
https://store.steampowered.com/app/504230/Celeste/
It’s letting me and I’m not signed in. That’s weird
gaunt marten
Well this third party website is always reliable
https://steamdb.info/app/504230/
green fulcrum
CAD $6.49 for me
unreal idol
Thanks
green fulcrum
Pretty good price
graceful bridge
gaunt marten
I don't expect it to go any lower
unreal idol
I'm thinking about getting it at that price
gaunt marten
If you were looking to buy, that's a perfectly good time
unreal idol
That way if I don't like it it's not a lot of money
gaunt marten
Remember that you have a two week window to play the game (for up to 120 minutes) and see if you like it
Any refund requests before these two limits are granted
green fulcrum
Lolol, look at this blatant AI shit on the featured page:
unreal idol
Gross
hasty patio
https://youtu.be/NVuH2wmPPzU?si=bpRr3eJfdh1xOTs0
Too early to announce that IMO. This game hasn't even been out a year, but if take their time and do it right, it might be alright.
unreal idol
It's sad that people are trying to push garbage like that as an actual game
green fulcrum
Well like, it is an actual game from what I can tell. Cheap shovelware trash made for streamers, from the looks of it, but it's a game. It's the "artwork" chosen to represent it that's the issue.
unreal idol
That's an immediate way to torpedo your game
gaunt marten
It's okay, 90% of all videogames are terrible
Let's talk about good videogames
The spring sale started, so here are a few interesting items from my wishlist that I'm considering:
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1330930/Star_Seeker_in_the_Secret_of_the_Sorcerous_Standoff?
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1512480/Gunlocked?
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1135260/The_Falconeer?
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1390350/Webbed?
slim thorn
I’ve played Webbed. Very short and easy, but the web swinging was pretty fun. Good sale game.
gaunt marten
1- Fun-looking comedy point and click puzzle with a great tone.
2- Interesting take on the classical shmup formula.
3- It's a game where you fly a falcon. Technically interesting because it has no textures at all. (Like Crash Bandicoot)
4- Cute game about a spider with web mechanics.
slim thorn
…technically Webbed might be the last game I played with a female protagonist? 
young creek
Let's talk about good videogames
kirby and the forgotten land
bitter stream
Kirby is cute, environments are good in it
gaunt marten
Can't buy that because it's too expensive
uneven epoch
some fun bits from kcd II patch today
Fixed players sometimes randomly dying after dismounting a cart.
Fixed authorities sometimes confronting player in their underwear when raised from their bed at night.
Fixed the issue where a civilian would not stop banishing the player's horse.
Fixed NPCs in Miskowitz sometimes falling under terrain while feeding chickens.
Improved physics of the parsnip.
kinda sad i havent seen any of the bugs 
on a positive side they didnt nerf the three die so i can still win every single dice game lets gooo
slim thorn
what did the parsnip do
green fulcrum
Fixed authorities sometimes confronting player in their underwear when raised from their bed at night.
Why is this a bug? This is very accurate to real life. Hell, military members if woken up at night will literally just strap on boots, their vest, and their helmet before going into battle, even if they're just in their underwear.
That should've just been left alone.
arctic fern
Because they were only in their underwear
green fulcrum
And?
If you were suddenly thrust into a dangerous position after being roused from your bed, you're not gonna waste time putting a lot of clothes on, you're gonna first confront the danger.
wind stump
what didn't the parsnip do
slim thorn
I think there might be some confusion about who is or is not in underwear or any non-underwear garments
gaunt marten
Me waking up in my tuxedo to the door bursting open and six members of the constables running in wearing underwear
minor plover
Me waking up in my tuxedo to the door bursting open and six members of the const...
I've probably had that dream before, or some variant of it
sudden magnet
If you were suddenly thrust into a dangerous position after being roused from yo...
So I guess Bright Wings waking up and only grabbing her sword when one of Sunset's students is in danger is accurate then!
green fulcrum
Me waking up in my tuxedo to the door bursting open and six members of the const...
I actually knew a guy in the military who only wore suits and tuxedos as his "casual wear" when not on duty. He was also extremely creepy, always had a very sinister-looking smile, and was obsessed with me for some reason to a rather unhealthy degree (he would follow me, watch me from behind corners, etc.). He also seemed rather emotionless and dead-eyed.
Luckily he left the military shortly after finishing basic training (which doubled as a wtf moment because why would anyone leave immediately after graduating?), so I never saw him again.
slim thorn
I feel like I've seen that guy in a horror movie, or maybe a JoJo episode
minor gorge
Curious.
river veldt
I actually knew a guy in the military who only wore suits and tuxedos as his "ca...
.....G-Man ,????
green fulcrum
If the G-Man was blond, looked a bit like a lizard, was paler than a ghost, and was like 20 years old, sure.
fresh bane
starting now :rdbounce:
Silent Hill f trailer (it looks... pretty interesting!)
and wishlist available now
(I saw what could potentially be a fixed camera sequence in the trailer.... 
)
So far they've just been standing around in different green screen enviroments from the game and just... talking 
but they haven't really said much of anything
it's just very generic ''we hope you look forward to the game and we worked very hard on it and it was very exciting to work on a brand new vision etc etc'' talk
fresh bane
Well that was boring
Not the game itself, it looks actually interesting, the transmission itself was just a whole bunch of nothing and no new or valuable information 
So all we really get is a new trailer and the wishlist and that's kind of it really, not even a release date after two years...
slim thorn
thanks for watching that so I didn't have to
fresh bane
I mean I guess there's probably something in there some people may find interesting but it really was just 4 dudes patting themselves on the back all the time about how great the game is going to be without actually giving any meaningful new information other than weirdly stating multiple times about how the game is set in japan now and that the games were getting ''too westernized'' and they wanted to add the japanese influence back, and going on about how ''oh this was challenging because the game is set in japan now we thought that would be a cool idea so it was challenging because it's a new vision for the franchise and we're so excited for you guys to see it!''
It's really bizarre and it's a shame because the game itself looks really really interesting from what little we still know about it
and this is the little snippet that really seemed to me like it's showing actual gameplay with some fixed camera
may be a cinematic, but it really looks like gameplay to me
slim thorn
yeah, I just watched the trailer on Steam, there's enough parts that look in-engine or gameplay-adjacent to convince me that they've got an actual game under all this and not just pretty cutscenes
fresh bane
Oh yeah I didn't mean to say this was all pre rendered cutscenes or anything, I'm sure it's all in-engine I don't really have much reason to think it isn't
It's just those two snippets really seemed like gameplay to me and specifically gameplay that showed the game might have fixed cameras which is exciting if that's the case
slim thorn
I hope some of those tight little alleyways between buildings have a fixed overhead angle, like in the Silent Hill 1 intro sequence
old notch
It’s White Day 
The 2001 release is one of my personal top horror experiences of all time even though I never finished.
Might try redoing it and finishing this time. Has anybody else played it?
forest shoal
Balatro is worth it
slate star
bitter stream
eh, I think at this point I know / seen too much to really enjoy it
wind stump
arctic fern
I only just finished pw 1
The game is fine, when it's smaller scare it's satisfying, but larger scale or complex cleans just suck tbh
visual hill
my gamepass is over and I didn't have time to finish Indy 
forest shoal
I got BeamNG.drive
visual hill
I got BeamNG.drive
nice!! I got it a few months ago, the singleplayer missions are pretty cool
the VR support isn't in a great state though (very stuttery even at lowest settings on a high-end PC), so I play it in theater mode
it sucks how this game and ETS2 both have subpar VR support 😦
Project Cars 2 has better VR support than both, despite being a 8 year old game that has received no updates in a long timespan (it's been delisted for years)
wind stump
fresh bane
It's really bizarre and it's a shame because the game itself looks really really...
Okay I actually went back to watch the whole intermission again because I realized I was having a bit of a knee jerk reaction to this because some of the questions really were redundant and the answers were kind of non answers but there are some interesting things they talk about (mostly coming from ryukishi and yamaoka) so I'll try to summarize some of them for anyone interested in bts details of the new Silent Hill
-Ryukishi was picked after the decision to set this game in Japan was made due to his experience with Japanese horror and popularity with works like ''Higurashi When They Cry''
-Ryukishi turns out to be a big fan of Silent Hill and was ecstatic when he was told they wanted him to do the script for the new one, he was surprised when he heard about the decision the game was set in Japan, since traditionally Silent Hill has always been set in Silent Hill. Which led him to start wondering what really is Silent Hill and what story does it try to tell? On the one hand Silent Hill is a physical place with a dark history that has seen a lot of history and memories and pain. On the other hand Silent Hill is about portraying characters struggles with the evil within themselves, sin, discontent and conflict, it's a gateway into the psychological battles with the human mind, and that's the thing they ran with for this game.
-When asked if there was anything else he focused on Ryukishi jokingly answers that after playing every single Silent Hill game he's noticed women go through a lot of suffering and hardship throughout the games, and that if they were to have a female character he wants her to make her own choices throughout her struggles (for better and for worse) and simply be pulled along by the story.
-Game is set in Ebisugaoka, 1960s Japan. A fictional town based on the real town of Kanayama, Gero in the Gifu prefecture. Pretty much the entire town has been recreated as the scenario for this game per Ryukishi's request.
when asked about why he chose Kanayama Ryukishi says it was the result of comparing a lot of different places and he wanted a place everyone could agree would fit the story. When he went to Kanayama he says the labyrinthean alleyways and the structure of how the houses and buildings shifted with the passage of time alongside the residents' lifestyles fascinated him and inspired him, and that he ultimately chose it because it's a place where you can feel the history.
-Akira Yamaoka is asked about what his role in this game was, he says this time around he was put in charge of the music for the Fog World. Up until now Silent Hill had never been set in Japan before, so he's really had to tap into his Japanese identity and culture a lot more for this work than any other work he's done, but he's convinced it will still carry a distinct Silent Hill sound. It's also mentioned Ryukishi asked both composers for their inputs for important story moments he wanted to heighten, and Yamaoka later adds on to that saying that since videogames are an interactive medium, he has to pay attention to where and how the sound will be used, and that you can't just create beautiful or horrifying music in a vaccuum because it's just not as effective, it may be a good piece of music, but you have to think about the visual component as well and how it all comes together in a videogame experience.
-Finally Ryukishi says that they've been really conscious about the fact that not only is this a new experience and vision but also a new Silent Hill entry, and that there's a lot to balance there with preserving the identity of the old while implementing new ideas and visions, that departing from the town of Silent Hill was a big challenge they were facing in development, he says he's interested in seeing how long time fans will react.
He's also asked about any elements he feels would make the game not feel Silent Hill enough if he didn't include them.
he says that since he's the writer it's hard to answer as he doesn't want to spoil anything, but that one of the elements he finds more appealing about Silent Hill is a protagonist being dropped into a situation they don't fully comprehend at the start, with other characters confuse the players with cryptic dialogue that they won't understand until much later on, and he finds the moment of realization at the end to be a core component of Silent Hill, he says he tried his best to incorporate this component into this game and hopes players to pay attention especially to any moments where they don't fully understand something and they may suspect something more is going on.
The rest really is a bit redundant, although there were a couple interesting things the producer Motoi Okamoto says too (who's mostly just standing there the whole time) and it's that apparently the game is going to be an ''independent story'' so that both new and returning players can enjoy it, he answered that when asked about the game being set in 1960s Japan and how it fits into the rest of the games, so I don't know if he means the game is a spin off or if it's literally a completely different universe and not tied to any other game.
He also answers early on that a core component of the game's themes is beauty within horror, that in Japanese horror a noticeable feature is finding terror within beauty, that when something becomes too perfect and beautiful it can be unsettling, so that contrast is what they wanna go for with this game
But yeah that's pretty much all of it, if anyone was interested in knowing some more specifically behind the scenes details about Silent Hill f
slim thorn
all sounds good to me
fresh bane
I definitely think this has potential to be the best Silent Hill related thing to come out since.... like, The Room, and some people may even disagree with that and say SH3 instead
slim thorn
I never tried 4 myself
not that it matters where we draw the line on "classic" SH, the important thing is this might be the first (new/non-remake) Silent Hill game worth playing in a very long time
gaunt marten
Thank you vampire survivors for moving away from wikia
I still won't buy the DLC though
river veldt
but among us
gaunt marten
I don't play among us either
visual hill
@minor plover wow, you're a playable character in Rollcage
minor plover
wow that looks just like me before the beard
eager bane
<@104816686909145088> wow, you're a playable character in Rollcage
OOOOH Rollcage Stage! 
The second game was one of my childhood favorites! I still pull out the soundtrack every now and then
Also got myself Grip ofc 
though I'm not particularly good at either
gaunt marten
https://i.imgur.com/clKJ1tm.jpeg
https://i.imgur.com/jxg2P6v.png
Magic size changing chalkboard
bold sonnet
Xbox Battlefield 4 is for $1 for the next two days. Premium version for $2. Supports FPS Boost
Can't reccomend for multiplayer due no AA and low resolution but if it's not a problem it's quite a bargain 
gaunt marten
river veldt
goose game 
gaunt marten
GDQ has Chrome's dino runner game as a waiting screen
Whenever someone donates, an obstacle shows up and the dinosaur jumps
gaunt marten
They just finished a Balatro run
wind stump
dense crypt
Very large blind
fresh bane
all gold medals and all challenges done 
woo
(I actually realized after finishing that last competition I was actually still missing one very annoying challenge in a previous map that I had to go back and get, that one and Downhill Jam's secret tape almost made me rage quit completely 
)
I had never gotten to play the Pro Skater series as a kid, I grew up with Underground and American Wasteland, so I've been enjoying my time going ''back'' to these games and seeing where it all began, only disappointing thing so far has been character customization is pretty lacking in options, but other than that it's been great, I'm glad they managed to keep so much of the original ost, games like Tony Hawk and Need for Speed were always the types of games to expand my music tastes so it would've been disappointing if they had problems with the music, only like 2-3 tracks of the original didn't make it I think, they mixed in some new music in there too which fits surprisingly well with the old stuff
cerulean herald
you got the chinese version? :o
glacial oyster
These imps in psx-iii...
anyways im going to beat that level with peakfruit (starfruit)
visual hill
OOOOH Rollcage Stage! <:flutterooh:630400755479609365>
that's the first one, I have both installed (using Rollcage Redux/Extreme)
Redux clearly does more things to improve the first game than Extreme does on Stage 2. I guess it needed more attention to be put to modern standards, but I miss the lack of proper widescreen support in Stage 2 😦
anyway, I think both games aged pretty well. Scramble mode in Stage 2 is fun, you can find many shortcuts
I've installed Bandits: Phoenix Rising, Ballistics and Urban Chaos, I'll try to play them soon-ish... I remember watching my brother play Urban Chaos when I was like 6 or 7
GRIP is pretty nice, I finished it but the vibe is clearly not at the level of the original Rollcages (despite it sharing some developers)
it's clearly a victim of the "crowdfunded game for nostalgia's sake" era that was common in 2014-2017
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcee9dtGj2k
it's a shame this was delayed, following Valve contacting the mod's team less than 1 day before release
fresh bane
dammit this stuff's too addictive
fresh bane
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcee9dtGj2k
it's a shame this was delayed, follo...
Valve's usually not too harsh on community created content or mods and stuff like that, why'd they stop this one?
fervent oar
Are they not? They did the same thing for Tf2 classic too
static bluff
ooo shapes
chilly mural
all gold medals and all challenges done <:pipppipphooray:1108783880628080720> wo...
lol, that was the last challenge I had did too because I didn't know what I was supposed to do
old notch
They did? So they took it down now?
To be clear, it was Team Fortress: Source 2 that was DMCA'd in January of 2024.
Tf2 classic has not received one, but there was a period in 2021 where both TF2 classic and Open Fortress were reached out to by Valve with a request to stop downloads and updates as part of working something out with the company- but apparently both ended up getting ghosted by Valve after the initial takedown.
After about a year of waiting, both had enough, went back up, and remain up- I think without trouble since.
cerulean herald
tried out Balatro for the first time and after many unlucky streaks, I managed to get a somewhat decent score that im proud of
arctic fern
gratz
visual hill
Valve's *usually* not too harsh on community created content or mods and stuff l...
Valve made HL2 and TF2 mod SDKs, but they never did for CS:GO
even DOTA 2 has a custom game system in comparison
fresh bane
Aah, yeah that makes sense, I don't follow CS nearly as close as TF2 so I didn't know if it also had any full conversion mods like TF Classic or not
visual hill
CS:GO was also removed from Steam, it's available as a branch for CS2 but you can't have both installed at the same time like you can with older Valve games (e.g. Half-Life: Source didn't replace Half-Life)
visual hill
working on something...
visual hill
there it is: https://github.com/xemu-project/xemu/pull/2026
visual hill
Aah, yeah that makes sense, I don't follow CS nearly as close as TF2 so I didn't...
well, look what just dropped: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PspuiHlF5dM
it's an unrelated project, set to release sometime in 2025 on Steam
some comment says:
People to dislike this because "why is this allowed but not CO?" need to realize one crucial thing: this is using the official 2013 source sdk which is something Valve allows to be used to make mods and standalone games. CSGO never had that same intention. I hope both teams can combine their work on this because it already looks amazing.
visual hill
CS:Legacy aims to be a straight remake of 1.6, while Classic Offensive aims to be a "greatest hits" amalgamation of all CS entries (with a focus on 1.6, but with some CS:GO sprinkled in)
Classic Offensive adds more new content, like casual modes, Danger Zone, etc
while CS:Legacy will focus on classic competitive play
bitter stream
ah interesting. I guess CS2 doesn't really cover those aspects
bronze abyss
CS:GO was also removed from Steam, it's available as a branch for CS2 but you ca...
I think you have a choice for legacy or normal when you launch it if you have the beta branch jnstalled
Played it for a hwile for surf and thats how it was for me
old notch
It’s White Day <:ccloudylove:845262111474712596>
The 2001 release is one of my...
The game may be old, but dam. The dark is actually realistically dark. Amazing sound design too.
(This video is just a demonstration of the lighting, no spooks promise)
On the whole, it all holds up really well for 2001.
tawny jacinth
The worst smash bros matchup of all time being Brawl Ness vs Marth is amazing
Due to brawl shenanigans Marth has an infinite on Ness that consists of just grabbing Ness, pummeling, then doing nothing
This means that Marth will just let go of Ness without throwing him
Unfortunately this means that Ness ends up being released right in front of Marth. At a 31 frame disadvantage.
At which point Marth can easily just… hit the grab button without doing anything
This was so bad it got banned in multiple regions
And where it wasn’t banned players opted to not use it because it was that lame
For context this means that Ness dies if he gets grabbed once
It’s so simple that you can do it while looking away from the screen
Other stupid brawl tech include the “Flight of Ganon”, where Ganon seemingly spontaneously just launches himself into the air for no reason
cerulean herald
New Balto high score
arctic fern
Grats
I bought balatro yesterday
I thought it would be fairly easy, but I'm really bad at it lol
cerulean herald
Yeah it took me a good while to get a grasp on how things work
I'm sure there's some strats I'm missing but naturally there's also a lot of luck involved too
craggy vine
Modding old games is so annoying. Hitting the 32 bit ram limit is too easy to do.
fervent oar
well im watching youtubers play and just ace it on their first try...
I watched Markiplier play it and was so surprised at how good he was doing for never having played it before
wind stump
that's the best one sentence summary of Balatro I've seen
fervent oar
im just bad at it
Yeah kinda same, I dropped it a bit too soon because it was getting a bit repetitive but I think I only got to like the 5th difficulty one one of the decks and like 2-3 on some other ones
I was always going for straights which is apparently not the best way for it to be done
But I remember the first time I got the game I played for like 10 hours straight with an all nighter
arctic fern
yay beat my first game!
cerulean herald
I've yet to beat a game
can you spoil me and tell me how many rounds there are
cerulean herald
alrighty, thanks 
sacred grove
8 aunties? That's a lot of relatives!
arctic fern
can you spoil me and tell me how many rounds there are
it tells you in the bottom left corner
its 8, yeah
each ante is a small blind, big blind and boss blind, then you're on the next ante
that voucher that gives you -1 ante means that the current blinds are easier to do and you have an extra round to earn money and buy better jokers
cerulean herald
ah ok, thx for the tip on the voucher, I will keep an eye out for that
static bluff
Congrats, Meganought! The first victory in any roguelike is so rewarding
arctic fern
oh sure but it says so on the voucher, and i didnt think i needed to go into detail about how a -1 hand size would work
arctic fern
no i took it as an insult and am going to block you over it >:(
(jk)
(i did take it as critique, but wasnt offended or anything, its a fair point to raise)
young creek
nya
fickle garnet
I bought Death Stranding
slim thorn
enjoy the Dark Souls of walking simulators
fickle garnet
I've played it before, I just never finished it
Just wanted to play it before the sequel
fickle garnet
Don't own the original copy anymore
gaunt marten
Yes I figured
fickle garnet
My dad sold it cuz he was done playing it, and at the time I wasn't playing it
gaunt marten
https://i.imgur.com/OABO9eI.png Thank you developers, very cool
arctic fern
yay beat my first game!
game two beat!
the last blind was verdant leaf, all cards debuffed till a joker is sold
i did not sell a joker and won anyway lol
just had a great joker setup
cerulean herald
already a balatro pro 
arctic fern
green fulcrum
cerulean herald
minor plover
I once saw a 99999/100000 on the ante 8 boss (not my own, just a screenshot) and it was the most 
thing ever
quiet swift
bitter stream
congrats!
bronze abyss
even funnier,i havent played the gmae for a week and just came back to fucking annihilate the queue
bitter stream
ah nice
cunning galleon
angery
green fulcrum
Angy 
cunning galleon
on br8? decent
cunning galleon
tawny jacinth
Weezy trying to get kicked in MVM by literally doing zero damage only to give up because nobody was willing to throw a single mean word at his alt account is so fucking funny
Like in a community known for toxicity the most he got called was “an odd character”
gaunt marten
When I played TF2 I never got insulted
cunning galleon
An efficient mixer and an efficient mixer
Both are as good but the other takes alot of space
Might redo it lol
river veldt
bitter stream
I would be interested, but I bet the price is going to be kinda high on these haha
wind stump
cerulean herald
would probably be as expensive as a Pokemon game lmao
bitter stream
I'm laughing, but you're so right
green fulcrum
Yeah, Pokemon Lego doesn't interest me, but for those of whom it might, I pray for your wallet's safe recovery.
little badger
all gold medals and all challenges done <:pipppipphooray:1108783880628080720> wo...
Ah yes the tape on top of the rock thing I remember that one
cinder hatch
Gonna give this game series a shot
bitter stream
have fun SamuX
gaunt marten
You got all the games at once before trying any of them?
wind stump
i presume it was part of a bundle?
wind stump
cinder hatch
You got all the games at once before trying any of them?
Yes
The games are currently on sale so if I’m gonna be playing them might as well get them now at half the price then later at full price
gaunt marten
What if you got just one and then waited for other sales?
Just in case you end up not liking the games
cinder hatch
Yeah but I’d rather just do it now than wait
gaunt marten
Suit yourself
visual hill
Weezy trying to get kicked in MVM by literally doing zero damage only to give up...
I played "pocket AK" scout once (only buying upgrades for the secondary pocket pistol), it was pretty fun but I eventually got told to use milk and switched
the weapon isn't bad in itself, it could probably be viable for serious play if you could keep milk alongside, i.e. swap your primary for a secondary weapon
you don't have to be quite as close to the enemies when using a pistol after all, so it's a lot safer
I toyed around with Xemu's code and found a way to run some games at uncapped framerates with correct speed 🙂
these are 120 FPS videos, make sure to watch them on a 120 Hz+ display
bronze abyss
Enter the gungeon is 1.50$ on steam rn highly recommended for anyone who hasnt tried it yet
cunning galleon
this is so me
chilly mural
cunning galleon
completed the loop and installed Oorai sound mods
cunning galleon
good performance finally
dense crypt
I play Mechwarrior Online, thats my team based vehicular shooter game.
Lots of fun even against better players
arctic fern
oooh a blueprint as my first joker
and i can afford it and another joker
nice
oh i missed that the boss blind was "play only one hand"
whoops
static bluff
aw, nuts
arctic fern
well that run is over
static bluff
What deck are ya using?
arctic fern
green
im just going through each deck one by one trying to get a win with each one
all the ones ive unlocked that is
static bluff
nice I liked the green deck
static bluff
You must be jokering me
arctic fern
delayed gratification is pretty great early game for money making
plus im making money on remaining discards
so its always +9 money each round minimum
static bluff
arctic fern
wheel of fortune foiled my blueprint, nice
static bluff
Wait it actually works sometimes??
arctic fern
foil blueprint and holographic abstract
arctic fern
Wait it actually works sometimes??
oh you always gotta gamble
static bluff
Wheel of Fortune 1 in 4 chance - 0%
Glass card 1 in 4 chance to break - 100%
We need a Wheel of Fortune system here, lol. 1 in 4 chance you get a special role which could either be foil, holographic or polychrome
I tried to add that to a silly thing I made but I couldn't get the shaders to work the way I wanted to, but I should try again. That was fun.
arctic fern
i do wonder if we could make a balatro themed event here...
aside from jsut doing an online poker tornament
static bluff
That actually sounds really fun
I haven't played poker in years. It'd be fun to see who among us is the luckiest
Kinda tricky to organize tho
arctic fern
fuck, that "play only one had" blind is rough sometimes
static bluff
Yeah it's a run stopper for sure
And sometimes I confuse it with the "One type" limit and really screw myself over
arctic fern
it wasns you when you're about to play a hand f less than five, should warn you when theres only one hand left
cerulean herald
Do you have specific jokers that you frequently aim to use, or do you just kinda wing it
arctic fern
yes
arctic fern
i do have a strategy this run
im not sure its working that well but ive not lost yet
the trouble is that i have super nova, and two pair has been my most commonly played hand, its up to +16 rn
yeah that didnt work
oh well
wind stump
little badger
Switch 2 direct April 2ND
arctic fern
little badger
hasty patio
slim thorn
neat
wind stump
Cawfee
Gween tea
cunning galleon
.. Is that missing no
wind stump
yea
static bluff
time to duplicate some master balls
wind stump
i've also seen Koishi in the cafe before 
i don't know why she's part of this mod, but i'm happy to see her
cerulean herald
one of the touhou characters of all time
wind stump
Gremlin jumpscare
wind stump
god i love the beta art
green fulcrum
...Walk up the stairs? 
gaunt marten
In general, not regarding the specific location
arctic fern
Play harder (I don't know the game)
gaunt marten
It is Tunic https://store.steampowered.com/app/553420/TUNIC/
green fulcrum
In general, not regarding the specific location
I know, I'm just kidding. Never played Tunic before.
gaunt marten
||https://i.imgur.com/nBM7O6B.png|| help I can't read
cerulean herald
||https://i.imgur.com/nBM7O6B.png|| help I can't read
||when I saw this for the first time, for a sec I thought my game's language settings were borked or something||
gaunt marten
I did see other things like that text
Complaint: You can roll and run by pressing and holding A. You cannot run by holding A without rolling. So if you press A at the wrong time like in the middle of a roll, you will not run and must roll again
fresh bane
I still haven't even installed Tunic, I feel like it's because I always hear that aside from being a Zelda-like it's also a super cryptic game and I haven't been in the correct mindset to realy dedicate some serious hours into it yet
river veldt
i didn't like the gameplay
rancid herald
you're not supposed to read it, unfortunately. The developer's stated goal is to recreate the feeling of playing a non localized game from the 90s
gaunt marten
Yeah, I'm aware!
https://i.imgur.com/1omRnoD.png Get away from the ladder so I can kill you
smoky sonnet
No spoilers. Any tips?
RTFM, approach combat like a puzzle and use your tools if you struggle with it, and have fun c:
smoky sonnet
and i really do need to emphasize that "read the manual", i wish i had spent more time looking through it when i was stuck
sacred grove
Or rather, interpret the manual
gaunt marten
Yeah, I'm well aware of the basics
rancid herald
I think anything else would be spoilers and disrupt the enjoyment of the game
gaunt marten
I don't think so
One thing I noticed that wouldn't be a spoiler is that cut bushes persist even when other things respawn
sacred grove
I mean, a lot of things you pick up just from playing the game. There isn't much you need to know beforehand, I don't think?
gaunt marten
Sometimes you miss things you pick up just from playing the game
That is the sort of tip I want
sacred grove
In the interest of not chasing down wild geese, I can say that you do not need to fully decode the language in order to reach an ending. But figuring out bits and pieces will prove useful later on.
gaunt marten
Thanks
gaunt marten
First boss down
slim thorn
yeah I can't think of anything besides "read the manual" that's a good tip which is not a spoiler and also not pointlessly obvious
gaunt marten
Oh it's strawberry juice instead of mango juice
slim thorn
even some of the core combat mechanics are more fun to piece together by manual pages and/or experimentation than by simply being told
gaunt marten
Very well
slim thorn
actually, the stuff above about the conlang technically didn't bring up how "secret"-heavy the game is, so just in case you haven't heard this from another source:
there are secrets all over the Tunic world, often ones you can't solve or piece together right away, so in addition to the usual "explore thoroughly", also take note of anything that feels like a clue so you can come back to it later
For me personally, Tunic's the only game that did secrets in a way I enjoy, where some of them are genuinely very hard to solve but I did actually get a few on my own. I believe that's mainly because there's a steady, gradual escalation from "easy" secrets required to make progress, optional secrets anyone should be able to find by the endgame if you're looking, harder secrets that you may or may not find depending on a mix of luck and skill, up to a rare few that no sane person would get without looking up.
in most games that have crazy secrets there's just a big cliff between "normal content" and "stuff to google later" with no point in even attempting the latter
gaunt marten
Here's one: ||https://i.imgur.com/HDqXdve.png||
I literally have no idea what I did https://i.imgur.com/zTDn5PR.png
I guess I'll find out
I have four types of consumables already.
Are there any that are hard to get more of when I spend them?
Specifically these ||https://i.imgur.com/nSN5ULd.png||
slim thorn
for those four, not that hard
I think all of the consumables are "not that hard" to get more of... after you know how, of course
though I'm bad at remembering to use consumables in every game
(unless you count the upgrade items as consumables, but those can only be used on upgrades, so there's still no way to screw yourself over with those)
gaunt marten
Oh yeah I also had a fifth one which I used
That's how I know this category is for consumables
It is frustrating how many things cause you to stop running
Crossing loading screens, getting on ladders
Rolling makes an annoying sound. I want to run for as long as possible but roll as few times as I need to
slim thorn
weird, I mostly liked the run mechanic in this game, it's something I miss in most other games that have a dash/dodge button but just expect you to spam dash/dodge since there's no run at all
since bumping into walls doesn't stop running I can generally run all the way from one end of an area to the other with maybe one or two stops for ladders (once all the shortcuts are open and if the enemies leave me alone)
gaunt marten
Being able to run is great
Having to roll in order to start running is not
If I had my preference, I would have running check for A being held,
And if A is held it starts running
slim thorn
ah well, I like rolling into the run
gaunt marten
So from a standstill this keeps the same behavior where you roll
But if you switch screens or get off a ladder it runs without rolling
slim thorn
(note that "check being held" means "ignore the press until some time has passed", so generally in practice no one really wants that; what you probably want is two separate buttons)
gaunt marten
Doesn't have to ignore the press
It can instead do two things
1- detect the button being pressed
2- detect it being depressed.
slim thorn
yeah, 2 is just a specific kind of "until some time has passed" since pressing and letting go of a physical button takes noticeable time
but anyway that's technical details, I wouldn't mind if the game let you bind run to a separate button, and afaik it does not, so that's fair
gaunt marten
It doesn't have to be timed at all, as long as it tracks both states continuously the system should work
Oh boy the game has input buffering
You can swing your weapon and press roll after several frames, but it will only roll after completing the animation
If you press roll too early, it will not roll at all
I wish I had numeric HP values so I know when to heal
I wonder if there's already a mod for that
smoky sonnet
That is the sort of tip I want
ah, well. the only thing that really stands out to me in that way (and is actually useful) is target lock
its useful outside of combat because of it shifting the camera angle
gaunt marten
Thanks
I find it cool that The map||, despite being a paper map, has your location marker on it||
slim thorn
sadly, they were not able to replicate that in the physical printed version
smoky sonnet
truly a shame 
smoky sonnet
I wish I had numeric HP values so I know when to heal
at the very least, the game does let you survive hits sometimes with 1hp, to give you a last chance to do so
gaunt marten
I'll have to get a feel for it. I typically prefer to spend healing as soon as it wouldn't be wasteful
visual hill
Complaint: You can roll and run by pressing and holding A. You cannot run by hol...
this is likely a design decision as far as I can tell to make run more committal
it's the "why can't I buy helmet without body armor" of Tunic
my gamepass expired so I haven't continued Tunic, I've only played the first 2 hours or so
visual hill
I wish I had numeric HP values so I know when to heal
that's likely also done on purpose to make information more fuzzy (and therefore challenging)
rancid herald
I enjoyed it, but I felt that it wasn't as much fun as zelda
it ||tries to recreate a very specific sort of experience where you're a 10 year old kid trying to figure out how to play Zelda 1, but a lot of the reason why games tend towards being 'handholdy' these days (imo) is because a lot of the older games were opaque in what you had to do or how to do it. It just comes off rather frustrating. The fact that the story is all sim speak doesn't help either.||
fickle garnet
I'm contemplating buying RDR2 with my remaining steam money from my gift card
bronze abyss
worth it its amazing
gaunt marten
I came into it knowing that the text is intentionally unreadable, so my experience has been pretty good
slim thorn
part of why it worked for me is that the stuff necessary for progression is way easier to figure out than in something like Z1, usually signposted but not handholding exactly; the truly opaque stuff is reserved for optional side content
gaunt marten
Lmao the game changes your actual position during this part of the game to not reflect the apparent position
||https://i.imgur.com/FtRiJ8H.png|| (Big spoilers)
I like how they don't give me ||the shield|| until I've had plenty of time to learn how to do things without it
Save quitting takes you to the last loading screen, but keeps the state of enemies you killed
Can be used to scout ahead
fickle garnet
I have bought Red Dead Redemption 2
river veldt
omg enjoy
fickle garnet
I got a $50 steam gift card the other day and bought RDR2 and Death Stranding with it
quiet swift
Oh hey. Assassin's Creed Shadows is now out. 
visual hill
I'm probably not buying anything this sale, maybe this summer
fickle garnet
If I'm buying any game this summer its going to be Death Stranding 2
quiet swift
"Talk to the wing!" 
craggy vine
hii wing
wind stump
lmao, Trials is funni
uneven epoch
holy shit @hasty patio so really fun kcd ii easter egg; you can came across monks in villahes yelling advice n general holy whatnots, but just now one of them gave the same speech you give during kcd i's mass after that one night with father goodwin. like i know we're both quoting hus, but this is genuinely delightful
hasty patio
lol
little badger
Seen this coming
toxic seal
Why was that a thing you could do in the first place
Maybe it just meant game physics being able to damage the sites
green fulcrum
I...didn't even know AC Shadows was released.
arctic fern
I found out because they got twitch to ban a streamer they paid to promote their game
sacred grove
What did the streamer do?
fervent oar
They streamed the game at the correct agreed time of 7AM their time but Ubisoft apparently meant 7PM and even though their contract said 7AM and the streamer did like they agreed Ubisoft reported the streamer to Twitch and got them banned
fresh bane
Awesome, so cool that companies can do that
cerulean herald
Never change Ubislop
cerulean herald
They streamed the game at the correct agreed time of 7AM their time but Ubisoft ...
Who was this btw?
hushed onyx
They streamed the game at the correct agreed time of 7AM their time but Ubisoft ...
This is stupid on several levels.
fervent oar
Who was this btw?
OliviaMonroe
hushed onyx
The correct answer to “oh we screwed up the contract we signed with this guy and he performed what we said he should do instead of what we wanted” is not “punish him for sticking to the letter of the contract”.
gaunt marten
Why should twitch be blamed that Ubisoft lied to them?
fervent oar
For blindly following what Unisoft said without actually investigating it
gaunt marten
How would they investigate?
fervent oar
Maybe require to see the contract that was signed to verify ifit was not done correctly by the streamer
slim thorn
I guess in this case it would be more like demanding evidence before taking any action as extreme as a ban
ofc I have no firsthand knowledge of any of this, so I'm not gonna blindly assume any of us have the full story either
gaunt marten
Contracts can very often be something you refuse to or are not allowed to share
It's unreasonable to ask for a copy of the contract
Additionally, bans by Twitch are typically low-stakes
slim thorn
we're talking about after they come requesting a ban, I don't see why it would be unreasonable to see the thing the ban is supposed to be based on in that situation
gaunt marten
They ban you from streaming videos for a day to a week on minor infarctions
slim thorn
oh, they call it a "ban" when it's just a suspension/timeout?
gaunt marten
Yep
slim thorn
do we know if that's the kind of ban that occurred in this case
gaunt marten
In this case, the ban was revoked in about five hours
slim thorn
gtk
gaunt marten
The actual effect of the ban is your audience can't give you money for the duration of the ban, nor can you entertain them
slim thorn
so possibly still a dick move but dramatically lower stakes than it intially sounded like
gaunt marten
In this case, they probably lost a day's worth of income
slim thorn
and I guess now everyone who's paying attention knows to not accept sponsorships from this particular source
fervent oar
If this is a much smaller twitch streamer that didn't have as much influence the ban would most likely be indefinite
They got unbanned after 5 hours only because they had the audience to make noice about her problem
visual hill
Seen this coming
it's not the first time this happens
wind stump
Holy SHIT
for context, an earlier version of this mod used her sprite from the Touhou fighting games
little badger
it's not the first time this happens
What other game did it happen in?
wind stump
Remilia... you're a vampire...
hasty patio
https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/261550/view/537722458840500092 More in depth about the above.
random steppe
Seen this coming
This is so dumb
I mean the game is still essentially identical so it's a big "who cares" but it's also dumb
gaunt marten
In the past, companies would simply not let you into temples at all
It's silly but I guess it's a little better
random steppe
Would they? Aren't you literally a viking in the previous game? I am not familiar but it must happen that you raze a monastery or two, in Shadow it isn't even a mechanic, it's just the physics engine
I am sure you could enter temples on Odyssey, no sure I Origin
Going back farther in 2 climbing the inside of churches was the main mechanic of finding pieces of armor, even tho IDK if 2 had any proper destructibility back then so I guess it's comparable
I guess I don't remember any relegious sites in 4, the pirate one, so for that one it might track
slim thorn
does the Cathedral of Havana count?
random steppe
I have no memory of it
I just remember boating around in that one
And that I was really mad when I couldn't make my crew singing sea shanties in a storm
It would have been a lot more badass to hear them sing as you face down one of those huge waves in that game, huge missed opportunity
hasty patio
I am sure you could enter temples on Odyssey, no sure I Origin
You could in Origins as well. Can't remember the god in question, but it was in an early area next to a river.
gaunt marten
Would they? Aren't you literally a viking in the previous game? I am not familia...
I meant pre-ubisoft
random steppe
Ubisoft kinda created the open world genre as we know it, what do you mean pre-ubisoft in this context?
I guess in GTA which is the other one grandad of the genre, I think you are correct
slim thorn
Ubisoft only invented the radio towers
random steppe
My ability to recall specific game mechanics starts to become a bit iffy that far back
hasty patio
Morrowind let you into temples as well (kinda got forced by the main quest too).
I think it was the destruction that might be new now (or was until it was patched for Shadows).
gaunt marten
I mean in general, when you see a temple in any game that represents a real world religion's temple, the default is you can't enter or interact with it much
hasty patio
I'm going to say that you're probably right, mostly for either looks, history lesson, or something one-off. Even, I can't recall any of the major places of worship (say like St. Peters Basilica, Hagia Sophia, Dome of the Rock/Temple Mount, etc.) being used at all.
visual hill
some 3D models commonly used for graphics tech demos also have a disclaimer telling you not to burn or melt them
e.g. the Buddha model, which is a staple of graphics programming
river veldt
there's a Vatican level in Indiana Jones and the Great Circle
visual hill
the dragon or Stanford bunny are fine to burn/melt to your heart's content though
random steppe
In general I don't like when game devs change things based on people whining about it.
I would be more amenable if there were side objectives about wrecking religious sites, or you were in some ways rewarded for it.
visual hill
there's a Vatican level in Indiana Jones and the Great Circle
CS:GO had a Canals level where one of the sites was at St Mark's in Venice, which is very close to a church
river veldt
i actually can't think of any other religious places in video games now
ive been racking my brain
like, real religious places i mean
bronze abyss
dying light 2 has some churches/cathedrals if that counts
random steppe
Ultimately you press the buttons, you had terrible people enact shootings of innocent people in both Red Dead Redemption and GTA.
I feel like the logical conclusion of this would be to GTA patch out the ability to hurt civilians.
You control the buttons you press in the video game.
slim thorn
well, there's a lot of games with a realistic setting that has some churches just because the real place had some churches
and a lot of games with a fictional religion featuring in the plot enough that you end up going to at least one of their sacred places
river veldt
Anor Londo is based on a real cathedral does that count
slim thorn
Ultimately you press the buttons, you had terrible people enact shootings of inn...
I've heard some games intentionally have all the NPCs be adults to avoid the worst version of this
random steppe
True there is some of that
river veldt
child murder is a no go in most games yes
river veldt
GTA and RDR have no children (well, RDR2 has one child but he's only ever in the camp where you can't draw weapons) and all the Bethesda games children are basically invincible
random steppe
The fact that every kid looka like they are 35 in Ghost of Tsushima was similarly terrible, probably my least favourite part of the game, it shattered my immersion because the writing team clearly didn't get the memo and wrote them as if they were 8
river veldt
was it like the jojo baby
random steppe
Basically
minor plover
yeah, most games try to stay away from things that would lead to attention from legislators, like killing children or damaging religious sites
that's how you end up with some kind of "special commission" cracking down on video games
random steppe
I get why they do it, but it's also usually not a good thing for the game
bronze abyss
theres a few children in dying light 1 and 2 as well but only in safe zones or as quest givers which have protectiton from harm
random steppe
Some games do it better than others to be fair
bronze abyss
yeah lemme dropkick them and watch them fly across the map smh my head
little badger
This is so dumb
Yeah it is. But I’m guessing if it wasn’t patched out Japan would ban it until they removed it.
random steppe
I didn't really notice the lack of kids on rdr or GTA
slim thorn
tbf I can't think of a case where this sort of thing hurt a game's quality
river veldt
this is a. weird converstion
gaunt marten
If anything including kids in Skyrim lowered the game's quality
slim thorn
there seem to be plenty of games that are willing to put violence in a church when they really want to
gaunt marten
I'd rather there aren't
random steppe
Fallout and Skyrim are real weird with it, since kids are in mortal situations all the time by emergent gameplay and always survive, it's like a huge blow to the immersion especially in the cases where you aren't the one trying to kill them
minor plover
when they do put violence in a church, it's almost never an identifiable real church.
gaunt marten
I don't care about the interaction between kids and violence
river veldt
in DUSK there's like a satanic church that's a level
slim thorn
mostly I don't either, but I just remembered Bioshock and I don't recall that one getting any flak for it
gaunt marten
It's mostly that the voice actors are terrible, the lines are obnoxious, and they introduce nothing
visual hill
child murder is a no go in most games yes
Deus Ex: Hold my Louis Pan.
random steppe
They were demon slug babies so it was fine probably
visual hill
(Cyberpunk doesn't want to do that, kids will disappear the second you enter into a car)
they will also disappear when you enter photo mode
you will never unsee this now that I've said it. 😛
random steppe
I noticed the lack of them
There is the whole side quest where you track down your friend kid to someone that lured them in their property for less than wholesome interaction and again, like in Ghost of Tsushima the kid looks like he is in his 30s
little badger
Genryu I’m going to play warframe 1999 soon
random steppe
There is the whole side quest where you track down your friend kid to someone th...
One of the best quests in the game too, that detail feels off about it for sure but like, fair for that one
little badger
Did you manage to complete it yet?
random steppe
1999? Yes a bunch of time ago.
Even tho they added stuff just yesterday
little badger
I seen that. It’s good they removed the mastery challenge tries limit
little badger
I mean I don’t mind waiting a day to try again but yeah if it helps newer people then all the better
gaunt marten
This seems important:
||https://i.imgur.com/Hahl2n5.png||
It was indeed a major item in Tunic
bronze abyss
This game just isnt fucking fair,lost while playing near perfectly
was always there for my team,barely ever died myself,ability usage was good,positioning was on point,good healing,good damage but just cant fucking win anyways
bitter stream
oof
visual hill
oh, OW2 is back to 6v6 permanently now?
visual hill
also, I'm surprised how everyone has a positive K/D
how is that even possible in a PvP game?
bronze abyss
idk overwatch counts kills weirdly
hushed onyx
Imperator: Rome had real (historical) holy sites in the game and a mechanic where you could sack and destroy them for mechanical benefits (or penalties). The majority of the religions in the game basically don't exist any more, so this is "fine" (no one is going to get annoyed at you for ruining Zeus' temple at Olympia...), but you can also burn holy sites for religions that actually do exist today, like Judaism, Zoroastrianism, or especially Hinduism, Jainism, and Buddhism.
There's even an achievement which is essentially about wiping out Hinduism (you need to convert about 80% of the population of India to Buddhism).
fresh bane
lol I find it funny how quickly I noped out of that situation, I don't think I had time to even see all the enemies down there
fresh bane
I've been having some unexpected fun with this game, I kinda came across it because I was randomly looking at ARPG stuff specifically Fate and I found out the guys who made Fate went on to make this and from what I came across people kept saying very good stuff about this game, although it's a bit on the simpler side of ARPGs so it doesn't have anything too complex, which for 2 bucks honestly sounded like a deal to me
It's very charming too, it has a very Warcraft 3/early League of Legends aesthetic and vibe that really appeals to me, especially that UI, and it's pretty addicting too, just a real nice, simple dungeon crawler 
maybe some more hardcore ARPG fans here will recognize it and maybe know more about it, I just kinda came across it and am gonna go through it pretty casually, I like them but I admit I know very little about ARPGs in general
bitter stream
which one is this one? Torchlight?
dense crypt
torchlight 2 is great
bitter stream
Arpg's can be quite fun ^_^ though I'd avoid mobile/pay 2 loot ones
fresh bane
Yeah it's Torchlight 2, normally I would go in order for most games where it matters but from what I gathered it kinda didn't really matter that much here and Torchlight 2 seems to have basically improved on every single aspect from 1 from what people were saying so I just went with this one since I'm just looking for good gameplay
fresh bane
Arpg's can be quite fun ^_^ though I'd avoid mobile/pay 2 loot ones
Seems like the more recent Torchlight games got hit by that, there's Torchlight Infinite which is free to play and seems to feel like one of those f2p mobile games
But that's from what little I saw
bitter stream
yeah, as good as the underlying systems in Infinite seem to be, they have loot pets that increase the loot you drop and are paid purchases off a banner?
As far as I gathered anyway
it's wild
but Torchlight 2 and 3 are pretty recommended from what I heard before I got into PoE and Last Epoch
gaunt marten
3 is not recommended
bitter stream
oh? what's wrong with 3?
gaunt marten
I recommend 1 and 2
Cookie cutter game, overly aggressive monetization
The studio was bought by people who wanted money fast
bitter stream
oh, that's a shame to hear.
fresh bane
Yeah I heard Torchlight 3 suffered a lot from similar things with Infinite so most people recommend 1 and 2, though mostly I hear 2 since it improves on stuff from 1 but you know how it usually goes, there's usually a few things people that are more deeper into the games enjoy more from one game than another
Seeing so much stuff from PoE2 also definitely made me kinda look into ARPGs a little bit more too, but I feel like that's a little too much to start with
bitter stream
Path of Exile is certainly on the deep end of ARPGs, though PoE 2 does a better job at introducing concepts. (It's not finished yet so I'd wait till it's out and actually free to play)
Modern Diablos are... hmm. I've not played them as I want the depth of more interesting items and a bit more build craft, but some folks like the more straightforward nature of D3/D4.
I'm eagerly awaiting the next Last Epoch big update, that'll open up a bunch of new endgame stuff, and I already liked the base game of it
LE is sort of a mid way between easily accessible and deeply customiseable.
There's trees, but they are limited to each skill, and a passive tree but limited within each class.
The abilities work 99% how they say they do, and it's easy to test and re-spec if it isn't your jam
fresh bane
I heard a lot of good things about Grim Dawn which I also got because it also was on sale for very cheap, but that one's for much later, it's a little bit more complex but not quite as much as some of the more complex ARPGs I came across and a lot of people seem very positive on pretty much all aspects of that game so I thought I'd get it too
for now though I'm enjoying the aesthetic and vibe and simplicity of Torchlight, just some nice fun where I can turn my brain off just a little bit, but not too much because even though I'm only a couple of hours into it it's already getting a little hard if I don't actively pay attention to what I'm doing
bitter stream
sounds good! have fun ^_^
quiet swift
Lots more free stuff on prime
Pretty sure mortal shell was free on epic not too long ago though...
And on the topic of Epic
cerulean herald
My free xbox gamepass expires today, but at least I tried out some new games, some I wouldnt have known without scrolling thru the catalog
The games I played and finished:
Nine Sols (my fave of the ones I've played, got hooked by the story/cast, gameplay is nice too)
The Big Con (solid, I dig the artstyle especially)
Cocoon (a good puzzle game that assaults your brain)
Superluminal (another good puzzle game that assaults your brain)
Hi-Fi Rush (rly liked the mix of platforming+rhythym gaming theme, even tho I suck at getting timings right)
Hollow Knight (a great game but my god are the benches way too sparse had to use a mod that allows TP/setting your own benches, otherwise it was pretty fun)
Shady Part of Me (a puzzle game that gives me Little Nightmares vibes, loved the message it gives)
Planet of Lana (lovely platforming puzzle game, glad I played it at the last minute)
Unpacked (pretty chill, great for my ocd )
Balatro (bad news, I got addicted )
games I didnt finish:
Power wash Simulator (felt too much like a chore ironically enough)
Tunic (wasn't really digging the combat system, but it seems like a really charming game either way)
Lego Star Wars (only did the prequels bc I had no time left)
(thanks again Nire for the gift card 
)
bronze abyss
Only in dying light
cunning galleon
when you try your best and your teammates are useless
eager bane
when you try your best and your teammates are useless
It me
I'd be that teammate
wind stump
Haha, I'm in danger!~
wind stump
Very Slimey
wind stump
oh hey i know this extorter 
cerulean herald
Haha, I'm in danger!~
omg its her
toxic seal
OH SHIT WE BACK BOIS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tnSjoob82Q
hasty patio
Oh no
toxic seal
Gotta make sure people remember Das Finale isn't finished
Part 5 slated for release... sometime
worthy rose
rugged flax
OH SHIT WE BACK BOIS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tnSjoob82Q
fuck this might actually get me to reinstall WoT
wind stump
Quick someone call TheRussianBadger
wind stump
OH SHIT WE BACK BOIS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tnSjoob82Q
don't drink and drive
ayo?
hasty patio
don't drink and drive
I don't think she is driving. You can certainly attempt to command while getting drunk though.
wind stump
little badger
Virtual currency is being changed in the EU
Pricing has to be clear
Has to protect younger users
https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_25_831
uneven epoch
delightful news from kcd II ! there is in fact a side quest with ossuary! the devs took slight (but arguably better) liberty and the ossuary in-game is already standing (the real one was built later), and you get tasked with restacking all the bones and skulls and whatnot back into pyramids. includes gems of dialogue such as "ugh, my back hurts... maybe i could borrow a new one here?" "dont yall feel a bit cramped?" "ashes to ashes, dust to dust.... and then i sweep you into a corner" and "argh, almost broke all bones in my body!"
you cant uh, legally take pictures in the real ossuary but i can attest to the accuracy of the building inside and outside (but well was anyone surprised by that part?). though the pyramids are a lot taller these days. and i guess they added the bone chandelier some centuries later 
wind stump
... I'm going to have to get back into Star Rail, aren't I?
random steppe
That cut of saber face, my brain just keeps going "that's AJ my dude"
wind stump
graceful bridge
visual hill
My free xbox gamepass expires today, but at least I tried out some new games, so...
I didn't get hooked by Hi-Fi Rush, even though I thought it looked amazing. Rhythm games are hard for me, I am not one of those Guitar Hero or osu! pros
I finished Wreckfest, Superliminal, Jusant, Little Kitty Big City, these are all great
I also didn't finish Tunic, even though I love its artstyle
cerulean herald
yeah for me the way battling works in Hi-FI Rush was a bit odd at first but I got more accustomed to it at least
slim thorn
the fact that I didn't suck at Hi-Fi Rush remains baffling
wind stump
gaunt marten
How does it compare to the original jump king?
arctic fern
fun fact, someone made a convenient website hosting all the hl1 sfx: https://hl1sfx.com/
violet hill
So, ∆V: Rings of Saturn had an update...
In-game, a spaceship company known for having the most advanced (and expensive) ship you can pilot changed their name to Eon Interstellar, invoking their forward thinking and leaving the legacy of a man's name behind. In-universe, this name change commemorates their launching a generational ship interstellar to colonize a distant star system. OOC, I'd say it's a welcome change.
random steppe
Pretty good game too
Played that one a bunch
If you like space mining..pfft who I am kidding, everyone likes space mining
slim thorn
anyone else remember Lego Rock Raiders?
green fulcrum
Yesssss, one of my favorite Lego games! Recently remastered as Manic Miners by a long-time superfan too, with extra and cut content (and far future plans for completely new content as well as completely new levels).
bronze abyss
speaking of forgotten lego shit,lego chima anyone?
green fulcrum
I remember it, but wasn't too big of a fan. Ninjago it ain't.
bronze abyss
chima isnt ninjago 
green fulcrum
Same multiverse though
bronze abyss
oh idk im not that deep in the lore of it
i used to watch the show,play flash games of it,and had some sets of it
green fulcrum
Different worlds, but connected via portals.
fickle garnet
speaking of forgotten lego shit,lego chima anyone?
I loved lego chima
green fulcrum
The Chima gang even make a cameo in the original Ninjago seasons at one point, and I think the main villain of the new Ninjago Dragons Rising series is one of the lion guys from Chima (or similar).
bronze abyss
isnt the main ninjago villain some snake dipshit
idk memories are vague i havent been into it for like a decade now
fickle garnet
I'm pretty sure lego chima awakened something in me
bronze abyss
probably played a part in my fry awakening too 
green fulcrum
isnt the main ninjago villain some snake dipshit
Yeah, in S1, lol.
There are fifteen seasons
bronze abyss
wouldnt know,watched it on tv which shows epiusodes not in order and not even the entire show
green fulcrum
And the snake guy is a chump compared to the actual main villain, who appears several times throughout the show under different guises.
bronze abyss
this for some reason reminded me to rewatch gundam age....for like the 5th time
remember playing the psp game univere accel when i was little and despite not understanding shit cuz it was in japanmese somehow managed to get through it
green fulcrum
As a kid, I liked it
The first two seasons are kinda hit or miss, but they eventually start getting pretty damn dark, all things considered. Genocide, murder, PTSD, kidnapping (multiple times), regicide (surprising amount of this), slavery, psychological trauma, on-screen death, and so much more.
The world of Ninjago is presented in a Lego theme, but it's actually seen by the characters as one would see the real world. The Lego aspect isn't played straight at all, it's practically ignored in favor of storytelling.
cunning galleon
OH SHIT WE BACK BOIS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tnSjoob82Q
WHAT THE FUYCK?1\
we so back with st. gloriana churchills
hoping for rosehip's crusader
darjeeling crew voice
hope this gets ported to war thundder lmao
just watched the video....
rosehip 
very cool winch
cunning galleon
Looks like a funicular!
it does ! but in the show (or in all mines that had a steep slope when elevators werent a thing) they had these huge winches to winch up empty trucks and winch down loaded trucks
toxic seal
don't drink and drive
WoT doing the pro move of removing the context that Girls und Panzer goes out of their way to make sure people know Erika and the girls of Kuromorimine are drinking non-alcoholic beer because they're minors.
toxic seal
Then you've seen through about Das FInale Part 2 if battle vs. BC Freedom ended and the next match began
It's up to Part 4 with 5 and 6 in production
cunning galleon
After BC is Chihatan, right?
If so, then yes I've finished that aswell. Don't know how it ends though, i just know a ka-chi appears
cunning galleon
Rammed em a bit too hard
arctic fern
RAMMING SPEED
hushed onyx
So, ∆V: Rings of Saturn had an update...
In-game, a spaceship company known for...
I should really play that next, I think.
astral steeple
wind stump
WoT doing the pro move of removing the context that Girls und Panzer goes out of...
ah of course of course
we can't have these girls driving actual war machines being drunk after all
toxic seal
If so, then yes I've finished that aswell. Don't know how it ends though, i just...
BC, Chi-Ha Tan, then Jatkosota in Part 4, which concludes but then also shows the match between Kuromorimine with Erika in charge as Maho is graduating vs. St. Gloriana, with the big reveal at the end that ||Alice Shimada, the tank prodigy from Der Film has joined St. Gloriana||.
bronze abyss
ballin
wind stump
wind stump
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fvtl6VXzCtE ayo ghast friend?
ghast that doesn't immediately go to 100?
cerulean herald
wind stump
F R I E N D
cerulean herald
HC are you in the Manechat Minecraft server
wind stump
nop, i'm not much of a Minecraft player, i just saw this in another server and it is VERY FRIEND SHAPED
cerulean herald
cube
gaunt marten
HC are you in the Manepear Minecraft server
wind stump
visual hill
ghast that doesn't immediately go to 100?
ghast sounds creeped me out when I was a kid, I played with sound off in the Nether
(I didn't know how to replace specific sounds back then, also Minecraft didn't make it easy as it redownloaded any modified sound)
river veldt
ghast sounds are kitty sounds
visual hill
yeah, they were recorded by C418 using his ill cat
gaunt marten
The play station's best game is coming to steam
Judging by the trailer, it's being emulated
wind stump
eager bane
https://www.yourewinner.com/
There's also the Big Rigs fandom
green fulcrum
https://store.steampowered.com/app/3598130/Big_Rigs_Over_the_Road_Racing/
Oh my God, I remember watching Somecallmejohnny review this waaaay back in the day and dying of laughter at his reaction to all the bugs.
eager bane
Fun fact: Big Rigs was developed with Gamestudio, the engine I worked almost a decade with 
green fulcrum
It's a meme game
eager bane
indeed
gaunt marten
This banner only shows up if you block scripts: https://www.yourewinner.com/banners/default.jpg
wind stump
if you can't go hyperdrive by driving backwards i'm suing
gaunt marten
I don't suggest buying this game to try it out
wind stump
But I want to support the original creator!
-# i don't i'm just being an argumentative shid 
gaunt marten
List of banners https://www.yourewinner.com/banners/4years/images.txt
I think this is too shitposty for manechat so maybe avoid linking it again
minor plover
oh here I was thinking "a truck game! I bet I could play that with my toddler in my lap and he'd go nuts!" ... but this doesn't sound like the right kind of truck game to play with my toddler
what I'd actually want is some kind of freestyle "you can just drive trucks around without any particular goal" game, like, if one of those truck simulator games has a freestyle non-campaign mode
gaunt marten
It's commonly cited as the worst made officially published and sold videogame of all time.
Unrelated: Decino made a new doom analysis video!
wind stump
Yeah Big Rigs is kind of infamous for being hot garbage
river veldt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNX0_DJNRQM
holyyyyy shit
me when i see decino video with yellow background: neuron activation
river veldt
i like the doom graphics videos the best where he tracked down all the gargoyles and stuff id pixelated
visual hill
Judging by the trailer, it's being emulated
It had a PC port, I don't think it's emulated
gaunt marten
Well it's definitely loading far too slowly and they should fix that then
minor plover
ty Flitter, I'll take a look
gaunt marten
Good luck!
I think you can also play the truck simulator games in free roam by just ignoring your goals
minor plover
to be clear, I don't expect to be playing it in a serious way, I expect to just ... yeah ... "Mark do you want to drive the truck?" gets out racing wheel "ok let's drive the truck!"
what goals? I have a truck and I'm driving it around in a field, or rather, I'm gently touching the gas and letting the kid steer
minor plover
yeah, I understand, I'm just saying I can totally see playing with a "yeah whatever" mindset
gaunt marten
Oh wow, eleven minutes
visual hill
also this, @graceful bridge might like this 🙂
gaunt marten
I have a friend who fixes pinball machines
graceful bridge
Oooh, pinball
gaunt marten
They're way too complicated for their own good
proud warren
https://www.tumblr.com/r2d2upgrade/778103064820383744?source=share
Better have a buffer joker just in case
visual hill
these are the ones I meant to sent for Masque 😛 only 1 hour late
the cannons on the sides act as additional ball launchers, if your ball gets into them, use the launch button to relaunch them at the right time
rugged flax
oh heck I've actually seen that pinball table. They had one at Time Rift. Unfortunately the solenoids in the ball shooters weren't working so all the balls were getting stuck.
quiet swift
https://store.steampowered.com/app/302190/Amerzone_The_Explorers_Legacy_1999/ free. From the guy who made the Syberia games, was his first big game apparently.
green fulcrum
Oooo this is fascinating. I might take a look at this. It looks very steampunk and hearkens back to Jules Verne.
slim thorn
I think I played this a long time ago but I can't remember much
green fulcrum
Big Myst and Uncharted vibes too. My adventure senses are tingling.
gaunt marten
I got Syberia for free and never played it
slim thorn
yeah, I was aware of this because it was in my mom's point-and-click collection along with Syberia and the Mysts
green fulcrum
I think I'll grab this when I get home. Won't say no to a free Myst-like game.
fresh bane
There's no way this is from the Dracula devs
I just saw Jerma play through those games lol
Oh woah there's a remaster
A point and click adventure game in the year of our lord 2025?
I know it's technically not a new one but still that's really cool to see
I don't know how I feel about it being real time... I guess it's less jarring for any new players nowadays but those games having the screens basically be stuck in time until you move kinda gives it a unique charm
green fulcrum
It looked like the remaster is point and click too.
Also you can set the Riven remake to be point and click like the original, iirc.
fresh bane
It is point and click, I just mean the presentation of the transitions between screens and the screens themselves seem to all be in real time, which I guess is fair and is just a natural evolution of how the presentation of these games would be nowadays, but having the screens be completely static and have basically zero movement except for a few specific screens that had unique transitions kinda gave these types of games a unique charm but I guess it's just a subjective thing
I've heard about Riven before but I've never played or heard about that game originally so I kinda don't know much about it, but it was cool to hear people even talk about a point and click adventure game as much as they did with that one when the remaster came out, it's a genre of game you don't hear that much about anymore
(also it took me a second to realize what you meant because everytime I hear Riven I think of the League of Legends champion lol)
I guess VR games are the modern equivalent of point and click adventure games now? Kind of, sort of
But not that many people even have VR systems
minor plover
I enjoyed the first 3 games in the Myst/Riven series but it's not something I'd go out of my way to play several different games in the same style
it's like, oh, that was fun a couple of times
fresh bane
Well, I guess it sort of was the type of genre you'd ''keep tabs on'' back then just because there were so many adventure point and click games during the very late 90s and early 2000s when PC gaming was really picking up
But it didn't seem to last that long after a while
I guess Telltale kinda popularized them again with The Walking Dead but for some reason in my head I don't count The Walking Dead to be on the same genre as something like Harvester or Dark Seed or Monkey Island, I don't know why they just feel like different genres to me
slim thorn
yeah, The Walking Dead is definitely not a "point-and-click adventure" the way we use that genre term in reference to Myst/Riven/Exile or Obduction or Quern or The Rooms
I think the least bad genre term I've heard for Telltales like TWD is "narrative choice game" which is fair enough
fresh bane
Yeah Telltale stuff is more focused on narrative and making choices than a more traditional point and click which can sometimes have really bad narrative just because most of the gameplay is just item fetch quests and puzzle solving
Kinda like a Resident Evil style survival horror
slim thorn
genre classification is ultimately about emphasis and focus and degree, not the sort of thing we can ever make objective requirements for
e.g. Goodbye Volcano High may contain a rhythm minigame, but it's clearly a minigame; the game as a whole is absolutely a narrative choice game
slim thorn
Kinda like a Resident Evil style survival horror <:rdwut:399725074204065802>
it's funny you bring that up because the "puzzles" in survival horror only really work as the, uh, second layer of gameplay? they can't make them actually hard or you'd never actually get through them amidst all the surviving and the horroring
like there's a core gameplay loop of moving and shooting and healing, then the 2nd level gameplay loop (progression loop???) of navigation and combining puzzle items like keycards
fresh bane
I mean you say that but I've seen people get stuck in one or two puzzles for classic RE/SH sometimes... the actual puzzles, the ones that may have some riddle to solve or something
but most of the ''puzzles'' in those games involve the process of ''oh I got this key from this corner of this area that opens that one door/gets rid of that one obstacle all the way on the other side of the area that gives me the item to go to the next area''
(and it's fun every single time 
)
slim thorn
well sure but there's "hard" and then there's "the designers effed up here"
I'm trying to remember if I ever got truly puzzle-stuck in an RE/SH outside of the infamous RE:CV softlock
(I got combat-stuck for a while in classic RE3 because the dodge mechanic in that game does not work at all lol)
fresh bane
Yeah but I mean those puzzles where there's actual some type of problem to solve, like the V-Jolt recipe on RE1 for example where you actually have to solve some sort of logical problem, I've seen people get stuck on those types of puzzles
Which I guess are the closest thing to the point and click style puzzles, if you wanna talk about designers messing up sometimes adventure games have some real leaps in logic with puzzles...
Dark Seed is probably the one I have more recent memories of just because I love rewatching that one retrospective video about it
slim thorn
not familiar with that one
fresh bane
It's soooo good and funny
Both the video and the game
It's such a bizarre little duology, the types of games that are so bad that warp all the way back around into being fascinating and great
Harvester too, but that one's a little harder to recommend/talk to people about just because that game in general is very strong with its material, though it's 100% what it's going for and kind of the whole point of the game but still, that's another really fascinating one
slim thorn
Yeah but I mean those puzzles where there's actual some type of problem to solve...
yeah, the logic leaps are infamous, but that's usually part of what makes one point-and-click "good" and another "bad"; the ones I typically recommend don't have that problem
the one Monkey Island game I tried is interesting because... it's kinda doing insane troll logic on purpose? as a parody thing? but it is still progression-blocking bullshit at the same time, so I can't sincerely recommend playing it??? I dunno what to think of that
fresh bane
that's when whenever you're recommending someone the game you add a big * at the end and warn them about bullshit logic and to only play if they're up for the task
like how I'd add a huge asterisk if I ever recommended a game like CV to someone, for whatever reason...
The one game I kept hearing about all the time and I keep wanting to try out but never remember to check for a sale is grim fandango
I'm sure everyone here knows about it probably, but I've never heard anything about it ever or seen it before, I somehow completely avoided that game for my whole life
I just know it's apparently one of the very best
slim thorn
oh right, I tried Grim Fandango once, loved the setting, finished maybe the prologue but got stuck enough times I kinda never got back to it
probably worth trying again at some point, it may have just been a skill issue on my part
fresh bane
I have it on my GOG wishlist just kinda waiting for whenever I happen to catch it on sale, usually you can find those games for like 4 dollars or something whenever there's a big sale going on
slim thorn
oh apparently I already have Grim Fandago Remastered on Steam
I guess I must've snagged it in a past sale
fresh bane
I remember some horror themed ones that I really liked, Scratches was really good it's kinda sad that you can't really find that game anymore
Stories Untold I also remember being really nice, the devs of that are actually developing Silent Hill Townfall
does Obra Dinn count as a point and click adventure game? I guess it'd be a bit of a stretch but if it fits then that one was one of my favourites too, it's just unfortunately really hard to see what's happening in that game, I remember going for a filter with very dim lights because otherwise it would've ruined what little good eyesight I have left
slim thorn
it does not lol
Obra Dinn's one of those games with no clear genre descriptor because there are so few other games trying to do similar things
like Outer Wilds
(I'm aware of the whole "metroidbrania" thing, but there's even more conflicting definitions of that word than there are games it might apply to; for now it's not a useful term)
fresh bane
I guess it falls into the general and vague ''puzzle game'' genre
slim thorn
pretty much
random steppe
I like calling them actual investigative games.
Even tho not all of them are about investigations I guess
sacred grove
Progression via knowledge and information, as opposed to artificially
random steppe
The genious of giving you something to put your guesses and to confirming them only in sets is such a spark of genious
fresh bane
There is a lot of investigation going on in that game
Since the entire game is basically figuring out what the hell happened in this ship and identifying people and their causes of death, there was this one part of the game that is notoriously hard because you never really get the answer for certain people's identities, you kinda have to figure it out based on context clues and process of elimination
It happens pretty late in the game, so it's not early enough that it feels unfair and it's at a point where you already identified most of the people in the ship
But I remember being stuck on that for a long time
random steppe
Did you try Chants of Seenar by any chance?
Same system but about translating languages
slim thorn
I would have solved Obra Dinn without a walkthrough if not for the later parts where ||you're expected to just assume people of the same ethnicity all hang out together and never with anyone else???|| 
yes huge fan of Chants of Sennar
fresh bane
I've never heard of that one I think
random steppe
It's probablty my favourite with that style
fresh bane
I _would_ have solved Obra Dinn without a walkthrough if not for the later parts...
Yeah that's the one, you sort of have to land on their identities at random just guessing
slim thorn
although CoS I would just call a point-and-click puzzler, I don't think it falls into any of these limbo non-genre spaces
random steppe
Honourable Mention, the Golden Idol saga, same thing, but it's several little vignettes that interconnect in a larger narrative
slim thorn
I've heard of Golden Idol several times, haven't felt like trying it yet
random steppe
although CoS I would just call a point-and-click puzzler, I don't think it falls...
I categorise it together with the others because of the style of confirming guesses in batches but yeah, it's probably a bit more classic
That really was the element that made these games pop
slim thorn
it's definitely an aspect worth discussing even if it doesn't rise to the level of "genre"
like how Tunic handles "secrets", while the overall game is probably best described as a mix of isomorphic Zelda-like and Soulslike
random steppe
I think maybe it should.
Like, Obra Dinn has more in common with Senaar than with Danganrompa or Phoenix Wright evem tho both are allegedly investigation.
slim thorn
well, Phoenix Wright is at least as much visual novel as it is puzzle game
I think people just kinda forget the VN part when trying to describe its genre?
it's weird
fresh bane
I was so bummed when I played Ace Attorney the first time
slim thorn
oh, you were expecting an Obra Dinn?
fresh bane
I didn't know much about it other than the characters so I was kind of expecting a nice full investigation experience but it really is just a visual novel mostly there's very little actual investigative gameplay at all, it was so on-rails that I got to a certain point during the Samurai investigation where I put it down for a long time because I was so disappointed
slim thorn
also as long as we're all constructing "wtf is this genre" alignment charts, be sure to put Tangle Tower in there somewhere
fresh bane
And I like the story and the characters I just found the gameplay to be so mind numbingly boring
random steppe
I just don't like when the handholding is so aggressive, same problem I have with Danganrompa.
I can like, play them, they are fun even, but I don't feel I actually need to actually use my brain in those games except to guess ahead in the story I guess
fresh bane
At their worst, they're even frustrating to play
Especially when you have to go to this specific screen and examine the specific part of the screen to get the specific dialogue to progress
random steppe
I think it depends the kind of mindset you go in with, but yeah, if you have the wrong expectations set it's gonna be rough
slim thorn
and ultimately the whole importance of well-defined genre terms is giving people accurate expectations of the games they might spend time playing
random steppe
Obra Dinn was the success it was for me because it was so long that I was waiting for a game that put investigation as the main thing you do, and it lets you do it without rubbing your face in the evidence
slim thorn
I didn't know much about it other than the characters so I was kind of expecting...
actually... seriously this time: have you played Tangle Tower
fresh bane
Mmmm never heard of it
slim thorn
that's what this channel is for
I thought of it because it does point-and-click-y murder investigation, has some puzzle minigames, does expect you to put the clues together yourself, also has the VN elements of cutscenes and dialogue under sprites and such, but it's drastically more non-linear than any Ace Attorney game, so it might be what you're looking for
sacred grove
Of note, Papers Please and Obra Dinn are by the same guy. Very different games, but it makes me wonder what their third game will be
slim thorn
I actually almost brought up Papers Please earlier as another "what even is this genre" game
fresh bane
I guess I could check it out at some point, it has surprisingly nice presentation I didn't expect it to have full voice acting
fresh bane
Of note, Papers Please and Obra Dinn are by the same guy. Very different games, ...
Wikipedia calls it a ''puzzle simulation'' game which I guess it's true...
slim thorn
I guess they have to make up something to call it
slim thorn
At their worst, they're even frustrating to play
okay I finally found the obligatory webcomic response: https://www.awkwardzombie.com/comic/trying-my-patience