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#general gaming
fresh bane
though I care more for a co op style multiplayer where I can do quests and gigs with a buddy or two
sorry, a choom or two
dense crypt
ngl, i would LOVE a multiplayer-designed cyberpunk game
quiet swift
Part of why it launched like shit is they spent too much time planning on a multiplayer system that they then abandoned 
hasty patio
quiet swift
Satisfactory and Factorio having announcements. Does this make it a satisfactorio day?
ebon dome
fati o friday at treasure island
visual hill
yay for more pathtraced multiplayer games š
I finished GTA IV yesterday. I remember when the Internet collectively thought this was the worst GTA 3D game... how time has flied. It's pretty great actually
it also runs very well and looks nice with today's mods and DXVK
sour hill
byeah
river veldt
byeah
thorny loom
Yeah good luck with that when fair use exists Nintendo. Even disney knows its a lost cause to try it.
young creek
the context is that a shareholder asked what they were going to do about it and the president had to respond.
fresh bane
It's also so vague that it could be referring to literally anything, not necessarily specifically Bowsette or anything like that
That being said I find the idea of nintendo lawyers knocking on the door of a girl who posted her bowsette cosplay on instagram to be hilarious
green fulcrum
Pff https://www.gamesradar.com/games/nintendo-president-says-action-must-be-take...
Lolololol, Nintendo has already lost this war a thousand times over the second they started to wage it. You can try to protect your fans from being uncomfortable, okay, that's fine and dandy, but Rule 34 has been in existence for literally thousands of years, and it'll still exist many thousands of years after Nintendo is long gone.
The shareholders are so stupid.
fresh bane
To be fair, at least from what I've seen this works in Japan
I've noticed some japanese artists who are careful with what they post, or have gotten in trouble or had to delete their works because it was from a Nintendo game, I also see it with Uma Musume where japanese artists at least the majority don't draw certain things with the characters because since the characters are based on real life horses there's certain specific rules that artists are asked to keep in mind and what not
So I guess if it works in japan then that's all they really care about at the end of the day
When Uma musume was announced to get an english release on twitter I remember seeing japanese accounts saying to please keep in mind the rules when creating any fan content and people replied with ''yeah that's definitely not gonna happen''
slim thorn
yeah, there's a significant culture difference, and this is pretty clearly clickbait rather than a change in policy
thorny loom
It's also so vague that it could be referring to literally anything, not necessa...
My guess is since that was the most āpopularā one for a while and one of the few fan characters nintendo actually a Knowledged at one point
This was already basically confirmed by the source code leak last year but we got official confirmation now https://www.pcgamer.com/games/grand-theft-auto/it-was-so-much-of-a-cash-cow-former-gta-5-dev-says-ill-fated-agent-trevor-dlc-was-sacrificed-at-the-altar-of-gta-online/
visual hill
the good old Neverball game got a web port recently, so you can play it in your browser: https://play.neverball.org/
thorny loom
It reminds me of super monkey ball
wind stump
You also have the freedom to run, study, modify, and distribute Neverball and its modified versions. Grab the source code here: neverball-source.zip
so is this from the original creator, or does it fall under "abandonware"?
visual hill
it's an open source game
it was originally released around 2003 and has been continuously developed since
and yeah, the web port is made from the same codebase as the native version using Emscripten. It's not a ground-up rewrite of the game like say, Marble Blast Web
wind stump
Ahhh oke. So it was inspired by Monkey Ball, then?
visual hill
yeah
river veldt
ha Lester referenced Niko in GTAV
thorny loom
he also refrences the gta online player character in the same mission
the "too chaotic" one
bronze abyss
hops on gtao
first thing in chat is slurs
try to get money for basic facilities
everyone in the lobby either explodes or gets disconnected
the game fucking crashes
joins new lobby
gets constantly harrassed by rp lvl 800s with oppressors
visual hill
GTAO is the game that is massively profitable but we don't know why
the player experience is frankly terrible, I tried it a few hours back in 2016
bronze abyss
i have quite a bit of hours on it and yeah,idk,the experience is horrible,by paying you are getting rid of the entire point of the game(grinding) unless fun is defined by sadism,and the rewards for paying arent at all substantial
visual hill
I tried Multi Theft Auto as well once and while it had its share of issues, at least it didn't take forever to load and has no microtransactions š
dire gate
Pff https://www.gamesradar.com/games/nintendo-president-says-action-must-be-take...
Something to note here: Nintendo has a track record of suing a fan for a nsfw pokemon fan comic (which they sold for money) in 1999. They sued for copyright infringement, but they stated that it was becuase it was an "inappropriate depiction of their content"
The court's decision was that the comic was indeed guilty for copyright infringement.
thorny loom
yeah when money gets involved they have a more of a case
but if its free? yeah good luck
random steppe
I mean, it depends what you mean with success
Like, if it costed very little to port it, might still be worth it
thorny loom
im just surpised they even bother making ports for it
random steppe
Even if you move very few copies compared to other platforms
slim thorn
does the article offer any meaningful insight on the obvious follow-up questions here, or is it just the headline?
thorny loom
it does show stats
"Assassin's Creed Mirage was downloaded approximately 123,000 times since June 6, Appfigures says. However, it has only managed gross revenue of $138,000."
for example
random steppe
138k is not nothing, assuming you didn't spend a ton to port it
Like it's a footnote in the overall sales but like, if it's not losing money why not
thorny loom
unfortunately labour costs are something ubisoft would have and that wasnt disclosed
random steppe
I think that the question to ask is what Ubisoft expected
random steppe
If they expected this result and spent appropriately it might be a successful launch
light gate
It also doesn't help that users are often nagged to download Steam instead of getting the App Store version, since the App Store enforces sandboxing.
This can give issues when modding.
random steppe
As a sidenote, I like Death Stranding but I can't think of a title less suited for mobile.
light gate
Yeah...
slim thorn
you know what the one game I'd be excited to see on mobile is
light gate
As cool as these games are, you're either an iPad gamer with a controller or a Mac user.
slim thorn
Stanley Parable
random steppe
Which is kind of amusing like, it's not a problem, more games on more platforms is always a positive, but it's funny
light gate
Yeah but think of those development hours, they could have gone to making more dlc. By dlc I mean skins.
slim thorn
(given a certain baseline level of port quality, sure)
light gate
Also Stanley Parable doesn't have a native apple silicon port unfortunately, so I don't see it happening on mobile.
It runs good on Mac tho.
slim thorn
to be clear, the reason I'd be hyped for that would be new content making jokes about other mobile games
I don't think those devs would ever do the port without adding such content
light gate
Narrator: "Oh Stanley... why are you playing this on a mobile phone!? You could have gotten a Playstation, a Nintendo Switch, or even a PC? Oh, did that hurt? Did I touch a wound? The only reason you can play this is because of how many people use mobile phones, and yet somehow you're playing the most un-definitive version yet! A small screen, low graphical fidelity, and terrible touch controls... oh wait... you are using a game controller, well at least you can do that."
slim thorn
and there's an ending where your screen gets slowly engulfed by ads
and of course (fake) microtransactions and gacha
light gate
Narrator: "Due to mobile users being stubborn of buying apps for more than a dollar, we have added advertisement into our game! Don't worry, its actually related to your personal interests! Before I show you one however, could you agree to the privacy policy in data collection?"
now I want to replay ultra deluxe
slim thorn
Silly Bird ending best ending
light gate
||the end is never the end is never the e-||
pseudo oak
Murdered that guy
light gate
Its Need For Speed but Iām not sure which one.
quiet swift
Wasn't there a hot pursuit or most wanted remaster? Probably that
bitter stream
ooh good call, it does say hot pursuit in the top right, so I'd assume it's that
smoky sonnet
rivals i think?
quiet swift
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmPT6sc2LF4 this looks intriguing. Early access still, though 
quiet swift
Pfffft. Oh boy.
wind stump
first skin that has lower stats
light gate
But Iāll blow up any fortnite cybertruck that I see on sight.
And if someone gifts me one, thatās their problem
lol
Also I donāt think you can randomly gift people
That would be a huge oversight
proud warren
But Iāll blow up any fortnite cybertruck that I see on sight.
Damn, even if you're getting hunted down by someone else?
proud warren
You just see your hunter nodding vigorously 
green fulcrum
Pfffft. Oh boy.
I see that Epic Games continues to be fad-chasers.
quiet swift
I recently saw one drive by...with a pair of truck nuts 
green fulcrum
Classy.
fickle garnet
I see that Epic Games continues to be fad-chasers. <:ppenk:681838745611141137>
I wouldn't even be surprised if it was elon who contacted them
light gate
So after playing ZZZ, I think Iāve gained more appreciation about free to play only cosmetic purchases.
ZZZ is fun, the story is good, the gameplay is solid. But when I saw the word āGachaā, I thought it was gonna be like two or three economies.
Its not two or three, its like 43 bloody different economies! Level up systems, character buffs, character skills, your mandatory lootboxes, rarity item system, crafting system, and a bloody life battery system. With like ten or twelve economic conversions, convoluted systems, and other thingsā¦ it puts an extreme sour taste in my mouth.
Now sure, I āshould have knownā. But not even TF2, Fortnite, The Finals, and probably a few others that Iām forgettingā¦ go as crazy and hard as this game.
My god am I divided about it.
Its such a shame, the gameplay is ROCK SOLID.
slim thorn
yeah, these days the business model is a required part of any trustworthy review (for a game that isn't just pay once upfront)
there's such a wide range for how harmless or exploitative these microtransaction systems can get
light gate
i honestly think these devs are worst than anything Iāve ever seen
Like seriously
Just how many more systems?
Login rewards
Weekly rewardsā¦
Artificial quest limits
not even fortnite cmon holy crap
slim thorn
I've heard of all of these systems and seen (not played) games with several of them, but "twelve economic conversions" (assuming you mean 12 separate virutal currencies?) would be a record by a large margin
quiet swift
Mihoyo seems to be specialising in just that. Make a fantastic game gameplay wise... then make truckloads of money because of all the gacha and other systems and whatnot that's in it
light gate
I've heard of all of these systems and seen (not played) games with several of t...
Well some you canāt buy, some are basically world items hence grind, but some are paywalled. Its VERY CONFUSING.
Not even Destiny goes this hard
There is so much Microtransactions, and they already have 50 million players
sacred grove
I watched someone play ZZZ earlier. Yeah, the actual game seems really well done, but there's so much mtx going on. It's on mobile too, so that tracks I suppose
quiet swift
It's everywhere. They multiplatform like mad
light gate
i donāt think I can get mad anymore at only cosmetic free to play games, I think its the lesser evil after playing and seeing this
God
Have mercy
This game broke me, wow.
gaunt marten
You could instead like games that don't do this nor that
sacred grove
The conflicting thing is that ZZZ is actually a really good game, from what I've seen
light gate
I want a few online games and unfortunately, most of my friends play free to play Flitter.
So donāt have much choice.
Organizing a Quake 2 match takes years longer than teaming up on a free to play title.
Honestly the ājust donāt play these gamesā doesnāt work anymore. I just know more and more are becoming live services. Maybe Iāll have to find the few that wonāt drive me insane.
But yeah, this sucks.
dire gate
I find it so funny that everything you compared its BM with are nowhere close to the actual mtx gacha game zone
slim thorn
maybe it depends on whether "gacha" is supposed to imply eastern developers and/or the eastern gaming cultures where "pay to win" is not considered a derogatory term?
light gate
I find it so funny that everything you compared its BM with are nowhere close to...
I donāt understand this message.
What is BM?
slim thorn
business model?
dire gate
maybe it depends on whether "gacha" is supposed to imply eastern developers and/...
p2w is definitely a derogatory term here, but its definition tends to be much more specific
While I understand your frustrations, I was saying that I find it funny that you were complaining about its system by comparing it with games like TF2 or Destiny
light gate
TF2 and Destiny still stinks donāt get me wrong
But this game made them look like heaven
i donāt know how
How was that even possible?
dire gate
Well afaik it is "the standard Hoyoverse model"
It is criticized even by mobile game fans, but it is what it is
Unfortunately not the worst in this side of industry
light gate
No wonder Microsoft is pushing bedrock so hard, they know it prints money.
Even Sony, Nintendoā¦
I remember Animal Crossing Pocket Camp
slim thorn
my understanding was that ever since Genshin Impact proved these BMs can generate truly stupid amounts of revenue beyond any other kind of game, every big game-adjacent corporation has been looking to copy that success
dire gate
How was that even possible?
See, the part I said funny is exactly this part; it is both sad and funny for me to see the reaction from someone clearly not used to...this side of the industry
The dark side of the game industry
light gate
This aināt the dark side, this is hell.
slim thorn
I don't play any of these games myself, but I see them dissected all the time in youtube
light gate
I didnāt ask for Excel sheets lmao.
I just feel bad for those who are manipulated into buying more and more, the whales.
dire gate
Hoyoverse model in particular is infamous for making players exhausted very quickly
The overall trend of mobile game industry is basically "play an hour a day, but every single day"
aka limited grindy gameplay
dire gate
Which is, surprisingly, how it adapted to its userbase
slim thorn
this is one of the reasons why I don't play any of the games affected by this
dire gate
Honestly the literal hellscape is mobile gacha rhythm games
light gate
I feel like Thanos regretting judging harshly to other f2p games.
light gate
Honestly the literal hellscape is mobile gacha rhythm games
wat
quiet swift
Does destiny have 'power' you can buy or is it still mainly cosmetics? Same for TF2? Cause otherwise, western game that has money being needed for progression is probably Diablo Immortal... and i'm guessing a reason for that is that it was co-developped with Netease, a chinese company, who are probably into gacha as well~
light gate
I know TF2 still has weapons that behave differently.
dire gate
<:ponee:925951532585861150> wat
Because they tend to have "point-based competitions" - they want you to play for hours during such events
People actually play for like, more than 12 hours a day
slim thorn
so about single player games
slim thorn
wait Ubisoft is your first thought for single player games? 
dire gate
People actually play for like, more than 12 hours a day
There is a reason why I said "play only for an hour a day but every single day" is "the result of adaptation"
light gate
No
dire gate
People got exhausted from this
light gate
But it is the first thought with MTX
MTX single player games is bs
Unless its DLC or Expansions, Iām not getting it.
If you add a damn store on a single player game for a couple of cosmetics or even pay 2 win elementsā¦ pound sand
slim thorn
but also far less prevalent, since they generally aren't trying to replace the conventional upfront purchase, and AFAICT those consumers are less tolerant of mtx
dire gate
Fun fact, there is a mobile single player story based gacha rpg game
slim thorn
if I have played a game with microtransactions in the last several years, rather than learned about it from youtube videos, then I was unaware it had them
quiet swift
Speaking of games, ixrec, did you see this? #1032716748887179434 message still in early access unfortunately but it looks like something up your alley
slim thorn
oh that, I think I scrolled past it because I haven't played either Diablo or Dead Cells lol
light gate
Fun fact, there is a mobile single player story based gacha rpg game
Yes I know, which is why Iām likeā¦ what I am atm.
Anyhoo, Iām taking a nap for real now.
quiet swift
oh that, I think I scrolled past it because I haven't played either Diablo or De...
I think the article i nabbed it from mentioned it reminded them of Blasphemous
slim thorn
hm, in any specific way? from watching the actual video it looks like "Diablo and Dead Cells" is the more apt comparison
quiet swift
I think setting wise, perhaps? Lemme see if I can pull up the article
"I expect the visuals and tone to be more readily compared to Blasphemous, The Game Kitchenās pixel-art soulslike inspired by Spanish folklore. Dragon is Dead deals in a similar style of blood-drenched nightmare fuel and gothic excess, yet it differentiates itself despite some striking similarities, with its bosses being a real creative standout."
slim thorn
fair enough
probably not my thing though
separately
I decided I did want to finish playing Kena
and it turns out once I bought some upgrades and stopped trying to parry everything it's actually pretty fun, especially after I understood the bomb and the weak-to-arrow points; still not particularly amazing but fun
quiet swift
I forget exactly what I did on my own playthrough but I did find a good rhythm... and I think reduced the difficulty, as I mentioned
Definitely not the best game ever, but being in an essentially playable pixar movie? It felt super cool
random steppe
So after playing ZZZ, I think Iāve gained more appreciation about free to play o...
Worth mentioning about this, that hoyoverse games compared to a lot of other gacha games are on the tamer side as far as how playable they are as a free to play player.
The point is completely moot for me, because the gacha monetisation format is in on itself, a major turn off for me, no matter how loose, but they aren't by any measure the worst of the lot.
I have a couple of friends that are big fans and they generally didn't spend more than 10 bucks each on each of the games.
slim thorn
just beat Adira btw
random steppe
The monetisation model is still exploititative as fuck and prey on vulnerable people prone to gambling addictions, but it's worth mentioning at least.
gaunt marten
Did I l mention this video yet?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIGWLfUTk0M
Lots of obscure recommendations including metroidvanias
This person has a good taste
slim thorn
new to me
slim thorn
lol, both of the "games more of you should play" videos I watched this week mentioned Citizen Sleeper, Casette Beasts, Void Stranger and Terra Nil
slim thorn
I know CB and TN aren't my thing but I've been meaning to try CS and VS for a while, just haven't been in the right mood
random steppe
Citizen Sleeper is exactly the kind of game that I am either gonna play 20 minutes, or it's gonna become my identity for 5 years
And it's completely impossible to predict which
dense crypt
anyone here play a game called Tanki Online? its an old-ish game about fighting in customizable tanks
gaunt marten
Ah sorry I'm only center left
random steppe
Advanced joke right there
gaunt marten
Thank you
slim thorn
"Doom 64 (2020)" made me do a double-take
river veldt
Nightdive remaster of Doom 64 is badass
bitter stream
hahaha incredible
thorny loom
Twitter
wind stump
who
river veldt
yeah idk what this is
young creek
who is Wario64 and why does all gaming news come from them
pseudo oak
Beeg brain cop
little badger
Twitter
quiet swift
who
Gothic is a fairly well known fantasy RPG series. Think elder scrolls ish, but over the shoulder. Embracer wanted to get rid of them, and they had the possibility of buying themselves out of the deal... but embracer would keep the gothic IP
The games are older though, came out in the 2000-2010 era. https://store.steampowered.com/sub/6375/ seem to be 4$ for all three
Same with Risen, actually. Also fantasy rpg
Elex is different, more sci-fi fantasy. From the looks of it, fallout-ish style
bitter stream
yikes on that APEX battlepass, i'm glad i stopped playing ages ago
thorny loom
who is Wario64 and why does all gaming news come from them
Amazon associate. Hes been doing this since 09
thorny loom
yeah idk what this is
Embracer was the company that bought all those studios and then laid off several people and sold studios when a deal didnt go through
pseudo oak
Now i wonder if the person that made those did Twilight, Apple Jack and Rarity
slim thorn
oh is it that time again
fresh bane
First look we get at the retouched intro cutscene and it's with the dog head on
Thanks Konami
sour hill
mlp x fortnite when?
thorny loom
Ngl. I thought it would have been fortnite that got transformers
sour hill
could be comin'
light gate
mlp x fortnite when?
As much as this would be cool and cursed, Hasbro will not allow ponies carrying weapons killing random people in Fortnite.
They rather do a Gacha style or MLP Mobile game approach if possible instead.
Which makes me think, if Disney is collabin with Epicā¦ imagine if Sora gets added. Dear god the internet would have a meltdown over Sora having a gun.
light gate
lol
bitter stream
light gate
Its wild how casting fire isnāt that violent, imagine doing that in real lifeā¦ 
well maybe dont
bitter stream
haha yeah
sour hill
As much as this would be cool and cursed, Hasbro will not allow ponies carrying ...
It'd be so nice
It's getting really hard to make fornite collab recommendations that still sound like jokes
After Peter Griffin they had me wondering what was left
gaunt marten
Buddha in Fortnite
light gate
Elon Musk in fortnite
snrk
become KOS
Anyway, I don't think he'd like to get blasted by bullets on sight. 
I'm sure there is like a few others, would be cool to see Jak and Daxter.
sour hill
we're running low on joke ones though (that are at least actually IP, lol)
sour hill
goku was a good one for a while and then they actually put him in
I guess they still haven't done simpsons
river veldt
wait Homer is actually. a great idea
sour hill
Homie
light gate
Star Trek as well, although some folks would hate seeing that I'm sure. Would like seeing a Worf barrel emote.
Then swap the character with something absolutely hilarious.
sour hill
Hugo from Lost
river veldt
Gordon Freeman just to fuck with Half Life fans (me)
sour hill
Waluigi would be pretty clean
light gate
Nintendo won't allow it unless its exclusive to their consoles.
sour hill
I thought we were saying ones that still sound like jokes
light gate
Yeah but they prompted for Samus to Nintendo a while ago, but was denied.
They liked the idea, they just want it to be only for their consoles and shown only on Nintendo consoles.
light gate
Oh they saw it, but they want it exclusive.
river veldt
Waluigi would be pretty clean
wario and his hitbox is massive
sour hill
Oh they saw it, but they want it exclusive.
I'm saying if they pitched Waluigi, Nintendo would be so shaken by the necessity that this collab exist in our lifetimes, that they'd be forced to accept whatever terms Epic gave them
light gate
The devs and artists? On board. The executives? Hell no.
sour hill
everyone.
river veldt
everyone.
sour hill
it would re-light the fire in their souls that had burned out
light gate
also they dont want mario holding a gun
river veldt
it would re-light the fire in their souls that had burned out
based and Gwyn pilled
astral steeple
Missed the convo but sora is already leaked to be coming lol
Pretty sure I posted about it in the thread already
Also the tesla cybertruck is gonna be a buyable car skin soon
So technically an elon collab?
arctic fern
....who cares?
astral steeple
I mean most people are against the collab itself yeah
random steppe
They should sell the skin at 80k USD, like the real thing, as to beat League recent debacle
astral steeple
league debacle?
random steppe
They are selling a skin at 400 bucks or something like that
astral steeple
tf
gaunt marten
It's okay because it doesn't help you win
astral steeple
reminds me of the 300 dollar apex legends deathbox skin lol
from their Final Fantasy collab
random steppe
Besides, the way it's going, Fortnite is really the only place in which you'll be able to get a Cybertruck, they stalled deliveries multiple times because it'sa cheaply made, badly engineered deathbox with a ton of problems
So they have to go back and try to fix the issues
astral steeple
oof
light gate
Besides, the way it's going, Fortnite is really the only place in which you'll b...
No need for recalls though.
light gate
Also the tesla cybertruck is gonna be a buyable car skin soon
So technically an...
I mean yeah, but I swear they better not do Elon Musk as a playable character. The community is probably gonna do some wild things lmao.
random steppe
No need for recalls though.
Oh they did those too
astral steeple
with how big elon's ego is, i could see it happening lol
though afaik they tend to stay away from controversial people/etc for collabs
so idk
light gate
If he pays big bucks for it, idk.
But its okay if he shows up, cuz that only gives me more incentive on who to take down faster in Fortnite.
astral steeple
yeah lmao
wind stump
i think i fished too much
dire gate
Well obviously 
bronze abyss
https://x.com/ZZZ_EN/status/1809527720768074217
is it the same game with the furry mf?
i keep getting a fuck ton of ads about it on youtube
thorny loom
Idk.
dire gate
iirc ZZZ has furries yes
fickle garnet
It has two playable characters that are furries
toxic seal
I feel attacked
green fulcrum
I remember when Mario & Luigi: Dream Team would tell players to touch grass if they've been playing longer than half an hour, lol.
Good times
wind stump
Ah.
wind stump
(For reference, this is a tribute to Toriyama, it took me a while to get why Maiden said what she said.)
toxic seal
I remember when Mario & Luigi: Dream Team would tell players to touch grass if t...
I've been playing since this morning and RuneScape just gave me a message that I will be forcibly logged out in 30 minutes. Literally keeps you from playing too long 
But it's right, I needed a break
I guess I can't have the all-day sessions I did when I was a youngin'
wind stump
did they reference the hit game, amongus?
arctic fern
same company/designers
wind stump
(i know, but it's still funny)
fresh bane
The cheating situation in SF6 is pretty sad and worrying, there's a lot of cheaters that are super blatant and obvious but when the pros start using cheats it's basically impossible to detect
quiet swift
thorny loom
Make up for the people wanting to get it for cod day one
Their desperate to try and make game pass profitable
light gate
This is so arbitrary.
gaunt marten
Yeah they should avoid NTSC regions
dire gate
It is a decent game, but I doubt it has a potential of becoming a huge media franchise
thorny loom
I mean. It does have some potential tbf
dire gate
Like as a game, it is distinct from pokemon, but as a whole media franchise they will really start to look like pokemon 2
thorny loom
Which is fine if you consider pokemon isnt going to be on a non nintendo console anytime soon
thorny loom
Twitter
dense crypt
WOOOO
arctic fern
Holy
dire gate
That's not my email address /j
fervent oar
I have no faith in this. We've known the script was done from years ago but noone else was working on it and a single comic panel is not going to make me believe this will come out
Noone from their team ever said they completely stopped the production of the 7th one and it's always been "We're slowly working on it"
dire gate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbhwwG-QvGQ
Nintendo dropped a random ass mystery horror game teaser
"Emio(ē¬ćæē·)" translates into Smiling Man
wind stump
sussy passage
wind stump
:o
blue laser means they break stuff and it doesn't hurt me
axiom verge is interesting
sour hill
I started that game but I dropped it for some reason
rotund forge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbhwwG-QvGQ
What the heck is Nintendo planning?
pyoro's liveleak exectution? /j
lol
wind stump
Drugs fuck yeah!
river veldt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbhwwG-QvGQ
Nintendo dropped a random ass myster...
what on earth
thorny loom
visual hill
The cheating situation in SF6 is pretty sad and worrying, there's a lot of cheat...
traditional FGs seem to have similar issues as Counter-Strike, their game design inherently makes cheating easier (especially in a way that's hard to detect)
it would be very hard to change their game design to make cheating harder without removing their essence or making them too casual
(say, randomizing timings or the results of certain moves to make macros unviable)
light gate
traditional FGs seem to have similar issues as Counter-Strike, their game design...
Correct.
The solutions for this arenāt better either.
Its either connecting to a server and both receive latency, or have kernel level anti-cheat.
And if someone dares say āAIā then prepare for junk data and false reports.
visual hill
Its either connecting to a server and both receive latency
this doesn't avoid macro usage, which is the #1 way of cheating in FGs
light gate
Macro usage isā¦ a way bigger elephant.
visual hill
it is possible to detect macros a posteriori by inspecting replays, people have done this in Melee
it's not trivial for sure and would require a fair amount of processing power at a large scale
light gate
Even if you were to audit for Macros, someone could emulate fake ones as long as they can get faster repeatable presses.
Youād basically have to monitor every press
Posteriori for replays is not a bad idea, only useful for tournaments though.
Random online play will still be the mixed bag.
minor plover
solution: LAN play only. If someone cheats, you kick their ass.
light gate
Local Area Network, the most trustworthy of all.
static bluff
Screen looking? That's a paddling
river veldt
whoa Alex Hirsch apparently did a voice for Stanley Parable Ultra Deluxe
visual hill
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbhwwG-QvGQ
What the heck is Nintendo planning?
is it the return of "weird" Nintendo franchises? š
1080Ā°, ExciteBike, Wave Race and all that āĀ stuff that felt un-Nintendo-like
dire gate
Mamma-emio
static bluff
1080Ā°, ExciteBike, Wave Race and all that āĀ stuff that felt un-Nintendo-like
Literally the most Nintendo franchises
random steppe
https://youtu.be/sNHg1-e7FXo?si=lkWO_xn4r5rWkeuB
Ye the only people that actually disagree on this are found on twitter, which is a mistery machine that highlights all of the worst opinions.
sour hill
I prefer not being able to pause 
gaunt marten
"Yes, depending on your definition, but it's dumb and you can manipulate it. It doesn't read your actual inputs, just looks for the correctly tagged animations."
bitter stream
For ARPG fans, Last Epoch is a really fun version of that formula. I've been playing the 1.1 cycle launch and just been having a blast with Forge Guard, spinning like a beyblade and summoning swords to cut down enemies in game.
The new stuff they added is just fun to engage with, and makes you actually want to look around the map more to encounter it more often.
I've not encountered the end game changes yet, but I've gotten farther in than I have before and it's just nice.
dire gate
Planetenverteidigungkanonenkommandant
quiet swift
Gesundheit.
random steppe
That game looks like a lot of fun
slim thorn
Iām hoping it can live up to the bar set by Shipbreaker
quiet swift
Interestingly, according to the article, the inspiration that came up most often for the devs is Papers, Please
slim thorn
that works too
thorny loom
rancid herald
whaaaaaaaat
dense crypt
Blanet ghoster doo
wind stump
what the fuck is this game
light gate
https://youtu.be/RL4vSJKeHdI?si=Z-m5cYjv4ewoXUAe
Fans: We'd like a water park expansion pack
Frontier: here is a bunch of random dlc decorations!
Fans: thanks, but is that almost done cookin?
Frontier: Planet Coaster 2!!!!!!!!
thorny loom
visual hill
https://www.pcgamer.com/games/sim/pvkks-full-title-is-literally-too-big-for-our-...
it's likely the best looking Godot game to date, I'd say better than Road to Vostok
lots of people could not believe it was Godot when it was revealed, but it is. It's pure GDScript too, no C# or C++ used
bitter stream
ooh cool
pseudo oak
quiet swift
light gate
lots of people could not believe it was Godot when it was revealed, but it is. I...
Mustāve been a lot of work
icy crescent
even wo ray tracing NFS:Unbound looks insane
arctic fern
https://x.com/PirateSoftware/status/1811703303664791851
https://x.com/PirateSoftware/status/1811703435752014288
Twitter
Twitter
dire gate
It's also funny that obviously the game was so dead that it barely had any people playing it, thus it looks like it peaked super high but it's actually only like a hundred
I wonder what happened in 2022
arctic fern
they opened a single server for the lols and folks found it
dire gate
lol
arctic fern
Twitter
Twitter
i have zero attachment to this game btw, its just funny to see happen
wind stump
hidden elbow
astral steeple
green fulcrum
Call of Duty is more like "Call of Everyone-Except-Actual-Soldiers" these days, isn't it? 
astral steeple
yeah lol
bold sonnet
Im still waiting to play Alan Wake 2, I played the first one but I have SO many games to finish..
fresh bane
You would have to play American Nightmare to get the full story too 
quiet swift
slim thorn
well, back when I played the first Marathon I hit a bug where one of the levels simply failed to end and I never got to complete the game
hopefully these versions are more stable
light gate
they fix A LOT OF ISSUES
its not even funny
It basically is the way to play Marathon in current age.
random steppe
Interesting, I wonder if it's possible that Zoro design is based on some historical stuff and they just copied the same thing
gaunt marten
You think Oda is smart enough to copy historical designs?
Good fucking lord this phone has emoji suggestions
random steppe
The real question is if the Internet is smart enough to check for that before getting mad about it and I know the answer to that
grand cargo
hey games
what kind of games that make you think "Game is good, it's only the players being bad at it"?
bronze abyss
brawlhalla
gaunt marten
Wildfrost
dire gate
Interesting, I wonder if it's possible that Zoro design is based on some histori...
afaik the replica zoro's sword and its stand do look exactly like that, and I have not heard of any "original sword" that it copied the design of
slim thorn
hey games
what kind of games that make you think "Game is good, it's only the pl...
the clearest cases are games designed to be challenging, but which also have an easier difficulty option designed to make sure anyone can still play it
Celeste and Nine Sols are two examples from different genres where it's not just the word "easy" but multiple clearly labeled sliders so you know exactly how much easier you're making it
oh, I guess Hades' "god mode" also counts
dire gate
I have a different interpretation for the question; some games are simply hard in difficulty while some make it feel hard by making it annoying and inconvinient
slim thorn
oh, I'm used to excluding the latter by default, that stuff is even referred to as "fake difficulty" in a lot of cases
dire gate
Well a lot of time I think it's mix of both
Soulslike is a good example of being in both categories
slim thorn
unfortunately that's probably the worst possible example because people use "soulslike" in so many different ways
dire gate
Ok straight up Dark Souls is good enough then
slim thorn
then strong agree lol
dire gate
I like when fans try to argue that "it is supposed to be inconvinient"
gaunt marten
Oh yeah
slim thorn
that's one of those arguments where they could mean so many legit or non-legit things and it's incredibly hard to tell which one
gaunt marten
Most games I play are ones that are challenging and complex
One game that's complex but not hard is Crusader Kings 2
Super easy and forgiving, but hell to learn
slim thorn
tbh I find it very difficult to judge how "hard" or "complex" a game is
so much of it depends on how you choose to play it and how familiar you are with similar games and several importantly different concepts getting smushed together by those words
gaunt marten
I typically judge by first impression and by reputation
dire gate
Terraria is an interesting case
It kind of shows both the good way and the bad way of increasing difficulty
gaunt marten
Journey Mode is so good
dire gate
Yeah it is a great accessibility and convinience option
gaunt marten
And allows you to increase difficulty past the normal limits if you want
dire gate
Yeah
Meanwhile the Master Mode is generally considered as a very bad way of adjusting difficulty
bronze abyss
waste of time,might as well just use special seeds for added difficulty insteadf of master mode
dont dig up was pretty fun
dire gate
Yeah gfb is so fucked up but still more interesting than master mode
Yet they did a pretty great job with expert mode
slim thorn
even beyond "don't do things that are just annoying", the usual notion of difficulty also mixes up several things
like in many of the hard games I play, there's a big difference between learning enemy/boss behavior well enough to counter it, having the reflexes to execute moves with the right timing, remembering the map or my inventory well enough to make plans, etc
I think personally I'm pretty good at learning enemy patterns but I have a very low skill ceiling at reflexes; if the block/parry/dodge window for a certain attack is too narrow it's functionally impossible for me and I have to play as if it's an RNG-based attack instead (which sometimes works out fine if there are other options, but in other cases it can ruin a fight others think is good)
rancid herald
Interesting, I wonder if it's possible that Zoro design is based on some histori...
It's possible, but if it is, it's not mentioned on the wiki for one piece for that sword
slim thorn
has anyone here played Void Stranger?
wind stump
strange, isn't it
rancid herald
I guess you're saying you a-void strangers?
slim thorn
the proper term is "iconic"
you haven't played Halo until you've flipped over a warthog by mistake
dire gate
No that's Master Chef
river veldt
what does Master Chief even eat and drink
is his suit like the stillsuits from Dune that recycle urine and other fluids into drinkable water
gaunt marten
His life support system hyper efficiently cooks his own urine into urinal cakes that he eats
Google urinal cake for more info
slim thorn
that was a joke
gaunt marten
Google joke for more info
slim thorn
my understanding is that he eats and drinks like any other human soldier, and the suit is not really designed with long term wilderness survival in mind
gaunt marten
Bear Grylls is a human
wind stump
Google urinal cake for more info
yum, i love those! i always eat one when i get the chance!
feel free to take that out of context
thorny loom
Interesting, I wonder if it's possible that Zoro design is based on some histori...
Having not watched one piece this is interesting to know
thorny loom
yum, i love those! i always eat one when i get the chance!
Nerd
random steppe
There is also the question of how common that design for the scabbard is
Like it's a gold and red scabbard...hardly unique colors.
My personal line is if the thing in the middle of the scabbard was commonly or even rarely used, it's probably just something they saw and though looked cool.
slim thorn
fwiw it doesn't strike me as unique enough to get agitated about
random steppe
The fact that it took weeks form the trailer for anyone to catch this, despite how popular OP is, makes me doubt it's iconic enough to copy
green fulcrum
JT Music never misses: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgq-q1eglIk
rancid herald
There is also the question of how common that design for the scabbard is
I don't think the infograph style is really doing a good job of pointing out what's going on here, tbh.
What's drawing people's eyes is this:
The first image was posted on the French Assassin's Creed twitter feed, the second is a listing picture from german amazon (no I don't know why it was the first result) listing for a replica of the SandaI Kitetsu. Granted, from what we can see from the first image's scabbard, we can't say they're identical, but the middle handle does seem to match very closely to what's in the second imagine, including the pebbled leather(?) under the rope wrap. And while there's only so many ways to make a stand, the stand appears to be identical to what you get if you buy the One Piece replica from Feenomenn.
random steppe
Yeah it's what I meant, there are similarities but my question is more, are those design choices based on something that Oda could have seen in a museum for a katana and thought "oh, that's neat"
rancid herald
I wouldn't say it's impossible, but I find myself really skeptical that two artists could look at the same piece of inspiration and come up with identical outputs unless it was intentional, if that's what happened. The stand especially is what's getting me
random steppe
The stand I would bet it's just like, stock stuff
Like, you go to a company that make katana replica and there are maybe 6 variants
It's like the least suspicious thing of the bunch
rancid herald
possibly
random steppe
Actuallly now I kind of want to know if they commissioned the same company for the replica, it wouldn't surprise me too much if that was the case
There can't be more than a dozen companies that do products like this for the western market right?
rancid herald
Maybe; the tweet cites Pure arts limited but they appear to only be selling a replica of the helmet not the katana
astral bolt
has anyone here played Void Stranger?
I told you bro
Wild ride
How far in are you?
slim thorn
How far in are you?
so, the reason I asked is that I played for an hour and a half, was getting kinda bored of the actual puzzles, and drifted off to do other stuff; I'm already worried whatever supposedly amazing stuff everyone is talking about is buried too deep for me to reach it by actually playing, or maybe it's expecting me to be far better at sokoban than I am
astral bolt
Hmmmm
Well the puzzles/mechanics are not the main drive no, at least not until you get the really tough ones you can enjoy cracking
The plot is in the trees, if you made it to one. The super complication of the plot is in talking and reading everything and piecing together what the game is not telling you
But it's not super obfuscated
It's easy to accidentally stumble through them
Reaching your first ending, and maybe the second playthrough is usually enough
slim thorn
I did get one tree interlude yes
astral bolt
Did you talk to the eggs?
slim thorn
I got the hint from the lamia but haven't figured out how to do anything with them yet
astral bolt
I think the best I could say while also saying the least is that the 6x6 rooms are important
slim thorn
not sure if I've seen any rooms of that size
anyway, I'll give it a few more tries
though this reminds me I need to get back to Patrick's Parabox, I loved those puzzles
astral bolt
If the game turns out to not be for you, I can say you get the exact same experience whether you play it yourself or watch someone play it, with the only difference possible frustration from the content creator not doing the things you want them to do
slim thorn
ok, at least it did save my post-tree progress, I was worried about that
||B051|| btw
and now I remember why I stopped here lol
astral bolt
Ain't no shame in looking up the solution to a room, I did it
When the game got in the way of the game
bold sonnet
I look up when I'm stuck, a game is a game should be fun
slim thorn
||I had no idea void was a real choice until I did some googling earlier. Also had no idea what the point of the locusts was until just now.||
slim thorn
I'll just not click that
astral bolt
It's about what the locusts do which you should know but fair
Dive deeper, always a good choice in Void Stranger
slim thorn
I guess it's useful to know there are multiple things that "should" have already happened but didn't; suspecting as much was why I googled and asked about it before trying to just do another 50 puzzles
slim thorn
stopping at ||B075||
dire gate
Yeah it's what I meant, there are similarities but my question is more, are thos...
I understand that it is better to take internet with a bucket of salt, but it's not also too healthy to doubt everything without something to support;
Here are some stuff I can tell about this
- afaik Sandai Kitetsu is pretty much Oda's original design, it does not have any original real katana that gave inspiration.
- I have looked up google for a while but I have not found any similar design without being from One Piece.
- Sandai Kitetsu has been around for over 20 years. It's not a new thing so it'd be quite obvious when someone suddenly makes a katana that resembles it.
- The stand design by itself is very common, but the Kanji written on it isn't. While the phrase do have meaning, none of the stands I found have those Kanjis written on them.
random steppe
What's written on it?
dire gate
å°ę°“ē«é¢Øē©ŗ, literal translation would be "Earth Water Fire Wind Nothingness" it is like five elements
It has its origin and its meaning, and it isn't unreasonable to have it written on the katana stand, yes, but also I could not find it being actually done
of course except that one zoro katana stand
random steppe
This makes me think even more that they might just be the same company
dire gate
Well but if the katana looks the exact same, and the stand looks the exact same, and the exact same company made it, then it's really not a great choice from them is it?
I guess at that point you can say it's the katana company's fault?
random steppe
No I mean that it might be a generic-ish stand they use.
It doesn't sound like it was something that had any specific meaning for either model
dire gate
At that point it is an issue of responsibility
"It's not that we simply used that katana from One Piece, it's just that everything lined up and it looks the same" really won't work
random steppe
Honestly, for the katana I can see an argument, the stand is absolutely nonsense
dire gate
Well as I said, although the phrase can be on any stand, I haven't really found one other than the zoro stand with the phrase
random steppe
Yeah but it's a super generic thing to write on a stand, if it had any meaning related to OP except being the one thing they write on the stand with that replica I'd care
dire gate
Here's another problem, if I want to go specific.
The phrase is from 17th century
AC:Shadows is based on 16th.
random steppe
I don't see the problem
dire gate
Oh for this it's not about copying issue, it's more about "yeah if you wanted some cool looking phrase then you could have researched more"
dire gate
Yeah but it's a super generic thing to write on a stand, if it had any meaning r...
The thing is it's not that "the stand looks the same, this must be the same", but rather "wow everything looks the same, and even the stand looks the exact same"
random steppe
It's not even in the game
And it's not like any AC game was more concerned with being historically accurate over rule of cool even if it was
dire gate
And while the stand can be generic, it seems to be unique in market at least
random steppe
Talking about the prhase I mean
dire gate
Yeah the phrase being after the game I agree that it's not that big of a deal
AC: Shadows already had a copyright issue with their artbook
rancid herald
it's going to be actually really funny if it turns out AC Shadows as actually AC One Piece this whole time
rancid herald
I went to the website and it looked like the stand was used with all the one piece katanas
random steppe
Like, I was doing medieval renactment in the period when the first AC dropped and making fun of this armor was my group favourite past time.
Games are fun but gear and other stuff is not meant to be realistic in those games.
Just feel plausible to someone that isn't especially deep in the weeds.
rancid herald
One of the comments mentioned the sword owner in the manga was sorme sort of buddhist
but, having never read one piece I don't know if that's true
dire gate
The phrase have a relation with Buddhism, but it gets related with swords and katanas via Musashi Miyamoto
rancid herald
I see
dire gate
So it's not really an unreasonable phrase to be written on any katana stand
Overall it's really worrying that the game is creating so many issues even before releasing
(I guess it is already being sold, technically)
slim thorn
It's not even in the game
And it's not like any AC game was more concerned with ...
OSP had a great breakdown of how, at least in AC2, the architecture was accurate and inaccurate in all the right ways and in a few cases even "better than accurate" when e.g. it showed a building under renovations which never really happened but allowed the game to effectively show the player both historical versions of that building
random steppe
I feel like the architecure is the one thing they do pay a bit more attention to.
slim thorn
though apparently that's been going downhill since 3
rancid herald
Didn't they have a literal perfect model of Notra dam?
random steppe
They really want to create the skyline of the city.
rancid herald
however its spelt
slim thorn
I heard their version of Notre Dame was so detailed and recent that it got consulted after some irl damage to the building? but I might be mixing that up with something else
rancid herald
that's what I heard
dire gate
Oh also I found it so funny when some people found cars in AC: Shadows' concept art
rancid herald
I think it's because they took a photoscan of the building to recreate it for the game
random steppe
To me it seems more like people are being silly
rancid herald
why? that's historically accurate.
random steppe
No I mean the cars thing
slim thorn
I think Gen and Jay are still talking about the Shadows controversy
rancid herald
No I mean the cars thing
so do I.
slim thorn
personally I stopped caring about AC after AC3 / the 5th game and they've yet to show me a reason to start caring again
random steppe
Some people are motivated to hate on it because they are racist and black protagonist, so they try to find absurd problem in it.
While the only problem that is really there is that it's a Ubisoft game and the monetisation is gonna be shit and the gameplay probably way too repetitive for the lenght of the game.
Like every other ubisoft game
dire gate
This may be a very hot take but I find not all "I don't like that this game has a black protag" as racist.
random steppe
And possibly the Katana, still curious to see if there are other explanations for that
It's literally racist
Like, "I don't like this game because of the race of the protagonist" has no other deifinition
slim thorn
I don't think it's a hot take, but rather an irrelevant one since in practice most of the "takes" don't come with enough nuance to separate straight-up racism from any legitimate reasoning
dire gate
Because the whole context is "I don't like that this game intentionally chose a black protag over an asian because they thought it was better"
Which is why the game is pretty much universally being hated in Japan
random steppe
Yeah, it's the story they wanted to tell, it's fine.
slim thorn
without knowing anything about the game's content I can't judge whether that would be better or not
random steppe
It was fine with Nioh, it was fine in Shogun (the tv series), I see no reason why it's not fine in this one
slim thorn
oh this guy's inspired by a real African-Japanese samurai
that makes it really hard to argue against then
dire gate
The logic behind it is that Nioh was from a Japanese company who already tried many Japan-based games and then wanted to make something new, but this one is from a western company that never tried east-asian setup and the first game they make they chose not to make an asian protag
(Well I guess the female protag is Japanese)
random steppe
I mean it's possible that the japanese people are racist, many such cases.
dire gate
I personally don't find it as being racist.
random steppe
There was any controversy for Shugun?
rancid herald
which shogun
random steppe
Tv series
slim thorn
the TV show
dire gate
oh this guy's inspired by a _real_ African-Japanese samurai
Another point of argument was that AC didn't really go for "real person protag"
But they chose to this one specific time
So some suspect that they made a black protag first and tried to justify it by setting him as "a real person"
toxic seal
Wasn't Shogun made by a bunch of Japanese actors, staff, and producers?
rancid herald
not that I'm aware of
toxic seal
Based off of a book written by a Japanese person?
rancid herald
I've heard, vaguely, that it was very historically accurate
random steppe
Let me check
rancid herald
James Clavell wrote it
dire gate
Because unlike William Adams, who is the protag of Shogun/Nioh and has a historical record of actually being admitted as a real samurai, Yasuke doesn't have such record
slim thorn
it is historical fiction but highly accurate insofar as what it's basing things on
toxic seal
Oh that's not quite Japanese is it lol
random steppe
The author of the novel is James Clavell, australian
Creators of the TV series are Rachel Kondo and Justi Marks, both american.
rancid herald
no he's australian
slim thorn
Although it is an American series, the cast is mostly Japanese and the majority of the dialogue is in the Japanese language.
is how wiki puts it
toxic seal
Australia, South Japan, same thing
random steppe
Because unlike William Adams, who is the protag of Shogun/Nioh and has a histori...
IDK the only historians I've seen opine on it, were pretty sure he was a samurai
slim thorn
hm, wiki says he "served as a samurai", no mention of controversy around that designation
dire gate
What I'm saying is that he was closer to a servant than like, high up samurai
slim thorn
Nobunaga was impressed by Yasuke and asked Valignano to give him over. He gave him the Japanese name Yasuke, accepted him as attendant at his side and made him the first recorded foreigner to receive the title of samurai. Yasuke served as a kind of bodyguard to Nobunaga, was granted the honor of being his sword-bearer, and was occasionally allowed to share meals with the warlord, a privilege extended to few other vassals.
at a glance the citations seem pretty solid for this
random steppe
dire gate
Hell nah
Ok I have went a bit too far here I agree
But the thing is that there are too little record and none of them really supports Yasuke being more than...having a title of "samurai"
random steppe
Like, there is at least enough of a record to at least make it plausible
If not probable
Is there hard confirmation? nah
But also in AC2 Leonardo Da Vinci was building you 007 gadgets so I feel like that for AC standard, it's like, waaaay more than enough
dire gate
Overall it derailed a bit, yes it's not unreasonable to have a game with Yasuke as a protag
slim thorn
exactly how much of a samurai he really was is kind of a tangent anyway; a half-samurai protagonist is hardly a bad idea
dire gate
But I absolutely understand Japanese people having issue with AC choosing specifically Yasuke for their first Japan-based game
slim thorn
if anything choosing a figure the historical records are sketchy on arguably is more suitable for historical fiction like AC
dire gate
(In a non-racist manner)
river veldt
they should make a historical fiction game about me where i get all the men and have huge muscles
thorny loom
they should make a historical fiction game about me where i get all the men and ...
play AC odyseey
random steppe
Not wrong
thorny loom
Spartans and Leonidas
river veldt
was Odyssey the one with that one tweet
thorny loom
?
dire gate
As a matter of fact Japanese people rather consider Yasuke being a protag to be a racism over Asians
thorny loom
your gonna have to be more specifc
river veldt
yeah it is
thorny loom
PFFFF
river veldt
top post of all time on r/sapphoandherfriend
slim thorn
I still remember the first time I read a non-Disney version of the Hercules myth and it mentioning that he was such a super chad he slept with all the ladies and also all the dudes and I paused briefly to think on the fact that nobody ever mentioned the dudes part 
river veldt
my man
thorny loom
It was the secret 13th labor
Back on AC japan i really do hope they do something more with the samurai than just make it a glorified "for honor" segment
dire gate
Well Assassin is more closer to Ninja than Samurai anyway
random steppe
I just came from a FFXIV area in which they tried to write a cowboy story and I had an overwhelming feeling that it was written by one of those japanese people that really really like cowboy culture,
It was one of the most painful experience I have had in a video game, so like, if anything if the developer is western you don't want them to try to write a fully japanese protagonist if you don't want to see accidental racism in my opinion.
dire gate
That's...not really a great argument
river veldt
fuck yeah i love cowboys
Blondie and all of the others
Tuco
Vancleef's character whose name i cannot for the life of me remmeber
thorny loom
John Wayne
river veldt
Vancleef's character whose name i cannot for the life of me remmeber
Angel Eyes !
random steppe
Joking aside, I do support this person writing cowboy stories, i just wished they did it in their fanfiction folder because it wasn't good.
But at any rate, if they feel like that protagnist was what they wanted to write, I feel like it's a lot better than demanding racial quota from videogame writers.
Weirdly enough that also always come up when it's black peole and never when the dude is white...must be a completely random happenstance.
rancid herald
Listen
there is no way it was worse than Disney's cowboy story
I watched Home on the Range.
I suffered
random steppe
I kinda want to see that
dire gate
I don't think Japanese people would have been happy if they chose a white person as Shadows' protag
rancid herald
The pope is literally saying he's gonna make me a saint over it
random steppe
Also no I guarantee, the FFXIV bit is worse
river veldt
my Blondie x Tuco fanfiction slowburn enemies to lovers to enemies to friends to lovers to enemies 300kw Good, Bad, and Ugly fanfiction will be written any day now
thorny loom
I don't think Japanese people would have been happy if they chose a white person...
is it bad i thought you meant the hedgehog for a second
Sidenote: the Sonic 3 movie is this year so thats something
random steppe
That's gonna be fun
dire gate
Funnily enough, West mostly focuses on "the protag is black" while Japan more focuses on "the protag is not Japanese(Asian)"
That's why the pov for racism argument is significantly different
random steppe
Like...I don't care about Sonic much, but I have a friend that is a huge fan and I largely live vicariously through his experiences of the movies.
dire gate
One argues "Wow you mean you hate black people as protag" while one argues "So you don't want Asian man as a protag?"
random steppe
I want what the writers think it's the best fit for the story they want to tell is really the only good answer
The Writers in AC already have it rough as it is
river veldt
when will bloodborne come to pc
random steppe
Right after Silksong realeases I'm afraid
slim thorn
but, there is a 2nd protag who is just asian, right?
dire gate
Asian woman, yes
river veldt
any day now
random steppe
My current silksong guess is 2025
If it released within the year it would have been at Summer Game Fest
slim thorn
are you implying it would've been less controversial if the 2nd protagonist was an asian man?
dire gate
One argues "Wow you mean you hate black people as protag" while one argues "So y...
No, I said asian man here
so I specified asian woman
proud warren
technology is amazing
but can you do it from your fridge?
random steppe
They should have made asian man and black man, and make it a buddy cop kinda experience.
That would have had me buy a AC just to see what the hell was happening
dire gate
the argument only sounds valid if we're ignoring her
No it's more like "If you are really fine with Asian protag and chose asian female protag, then why couldn't you just go asian male protag too"
random steppe
I tell you, the buddy cop setup is really underused in video games
slim thorn
I think I'm just gonna drop it here
dire gate
It gets more power due to the creative director saying "We chose Yasuke because it's a better choice for us to immerse with" in a now-editted interview
random steppe
It's a good argument, it's also the argument for the dude in Shogun
And I would say Nioh but Nioh story is trash so it doesn't count
Rather than empathise tho, I would say specifically that having the protagnist being someone that is initially an outsider is a good move so that exposition doesn't feel as forced
And also they can act as a disrupting force to the status quo
It's a very popular setup as well
dire gate
And I would say Nioh but Nioh story is trash so it doesn't count
Nioh shouldn't be included here, I don't think it's for immersion in that game.
random steppe
I am reminded of it, because I recently watched a FFX review and it's exactly the role Tidus take in that story
That story doesn't work if Tidus isn't a complete outside of that culture at the beginning of the story, which is really interesting
FFX is one game that every time I think about it, I find new reasons to appreciate
random steppe
Nioh shouldn't be included here, I don't think it's for immersion in that game.
it kinda fits because he does get a lot of thing explained to him as a result of his outsider status but also nothing you get told is worth listening to
Because the story is bad
dire gate
I don't think it's about being an outsider
It's more like "We're not Japanese, we can't empathise with Japanese people well, so we chose a black character which we can do better"
random steppe
I mean...aren't they making the same arugment in reverse?
dire gate
Which is most definitely not the case in Nioh
random steppe
Also that's again ignoring the fact that they do have a japanese character, so if that was a problem they wont be able to write her right?
dire gate
That is the issue
random steppe
Isn't that just assuming that tho?
dire gate
The creative director said that in the interview
random steppe
Also if that was a problem, it would still be there if the protagonist was japanese (in fact it'd be worse)
So why is that the complaint
dire gate
The creative director of the game said they chose Yasuke because of empathizing. But they also chose Japanese woman as a protag. So people were "wtf"
(They removed the exact line of the director saying that in the interview later on)
random steppe
IDK, I get what you are saying, but I still feel like you are just giving me a bunch of reasons as to why people are being racist, than convincing me that they aren't being racist.
Ultimately the game isn't gonna be good, because it's an AC game and the story IMO isn't good since forever and the mechanics are barely passable.
I don't think it's gonna have anything to do with what people are being annoying about.
dire gate
idk, maybe it's the difference in perspective, and that I may have a slight bias as I am an asian myself.
random steppe
We'll see tho, it's still a while away, maybe it comes out and it's bad because they can't actually write an authentic feeling japanese story.
I'm sure many retrospectives will be written about this one
dire gate
At least for me I can see that the setup of the game is not desirable for...us
random steppe
I'm gonna say that the gameplay trailer looked better than Valhalla in my opinion, still not enough to bait me into buying an AC game, but it was something
They did trick me with Odyssey
quiet swift
I still find Odyssey to be the most fun. Least 'assassin'-y though
bronze abyss
oooh this was such a clean shot
dont you 
me this is ethical hunting
hooooly just dropped 2 deer from a mountain,2 really quick shots and both hit vitals
dire gate
"I love deers so much I have to kill them"
rugged flax
mmmm, venison 
bronze abyss
"I love deers so much I have to kill them" <:sunsetsmirk:399725088389464065>
yandere deer 
quiet swift
Shikanokonokonokokoshitantan~
thorny loom
bold sonnet
oooh this was such a clean shot
slim thorn
trying Void Stranger again, ||B083 finally forced me to look up an answer, and it's kinda BS; even after being told what to do it "didn't work" at first||
slim thorn
most of their puzzles were fine, it's just this particular one relies on a mechanic you'd have no reason to suspect existed
like some of those later levels of Baba is You
slim thorn
||it's the one where apparently the only solution involves blocking one bull's line of sight with another bull||
astral bolt
Found it
I think you just need to figure out how to do the three-tile worm; it's something that took me stupidly long to realise how to do despite how simple it is
slim thorn
oh I've done that several times
it's useless on that specific puzzle since nearly everything is glass
slim thorn
||this chase sequence|| is fun at least
astral bolt
Love it when the game suddenly switches gears
wind stump
metal gears
slim thorn
short-lived unfortunately, it's back to feeling like an endless grind
how many of these are there before some kind of structural change or bigger reward
astral bolt
Technically your first reward was within the first 25 levels
As for how many there are
Let me double check how many floors it takes to reach the most basic ending
slim thorn
are you talking about the trees, or something else that was supposed to happen to me and didn't
astral bolt
Your first important secret. And this game rewards every discovery
slim thorn
everyone keeps saying that...
astral bolt
I think it's 220 levels or so to reach the "bottom"
If you're Voided it might be sooner
Nope, the same, 224
slim thorn
do you remember how long that took for you
astral bolt
I'm not sure, first run was a mess and a bit of a blur, maybe a couple hours? I did get some of the rewards that make the game easier
The "puzzles" stop mattering and it's about exploring, which takes multiples runs
So the rewards become mandatory
slim thorn
steam says "3.3 hours" and I'm at 128
so I'm 90% convinced the game expects me to be breezing through these puzzles without ever getting stuck
or looking up half the answers
astral bolt
Yeah it's hard to evaluate
slim thorn
maybe I'll just have to switch to blindly following the walkthrough to get to the real game in a sane timeframe and give that a fair chance
astral bolt
There is no wrong way to play the game. Let me know if I can help or whatever
slim thorn
I don't think I'm anywhere near the part where "no wrong way to play" is applicable advice yet
thorny loom
river veldt
valve
thorny loom
79 people were in the steam dept while 181 were in the games dept
41 on hardware and 35 in admin
random steppe
I mean yeah, is anyone surprised?
They barely make games
Of course they'd be smaller than ubisoft, that pumps out like 3 huge open world games a year
You know how many people you need to turn over that amount of art assets, music, code, etc
thorny loom
I think its more of a surprise they actually have quite a few people stil in there games dept compared to there steam
random steppe
Well they have a lot of live services that they are mantaining, so only for that you need some people at least
you need bunch of people to pump out those CS:GO skins
If I had to guess the DOTA2 team is probably the bulk of it
And also there are 2 people somewhere under the floor, they throw them scraps sometimes, they are in charge of TF2 updates
bronze abyss
And also there are 2 people somewhere under the floor, they throw them scraps so...
cs2 is entirely covered by interns that come in once every couple months
visual hill
you need bunch of people to pump out those CS:GO skins
the community makes skins and (most) maps, Valve only handpicks them
fresh bane
The community is in charge of so much of TF2's content that people were preparing to even continue and complete the TF2 comic, that is until we found out that surprisingly Valve is actually working on that already?
arctic fern
they ahve been "working" on it for a few years now tho
fresh bane
Yeah they've been working on it ''off and on'', but the script is finished and it's all being drawn at the moment
rotund forge
Want a fun Mario fact?
The Blue Toad and Yellow Toad actually have official names!
Blue is Buckenberry and Yellow is Alagold
river veldt
Want a fun Mario fact?
The Blue Toad and Yellow Toad actually have official name...
that's not actually true, those names come from a flimsy at best source https://www.mariowiki.com/List_of_rumors_and_urban_legends#Bucken-Berry_and_Ala-Gold
arctic fern
did you know? L is real
rotund forge
did you know? L is real
That rumor was true tho
rotund forge
that's not actually true, those names come from a flimsy at best source https://...
Yeah I got ahead of myself
Apparently it was the nicknames the dev team gave them and they soon found their way into the fans ears and hands
chilly mural
I donāt believe anything about mario games unless it comes from Supper Mario Broth
Gomenasorry, Nire-sama
thorny loom
On the topic of rumors
Apparently 343 will no longer be developing halos going forward only overseeing. After the failure of infinite
That and microsoft is apparently putting halo on the backburner for the time being
arctic fern
makes sense, halo has been on a bit of a downfall since reach
robust latch
LOL
green fulcrum
Lol, f*ck off WD
gaunt marten
Why are you posting ads?
astral steeple
Twitter
light gate
https://x.com/wario64/status/1812901089186095239?s=46&t=bVzXPIZvXYyJJoEkCfgMsQ
eight terabytes, almost 1k... god
I hope prices keep improving I swear...
visual hill
TIL 8 TB SN850X is a thing
but yeah, NAND prices have increased a lot since last year
astral steeple
that costing that much is wild lol
my 5tb external 3.0 drive was like 110 dollars
fickle garnet
my 5tb external 3.0 drive was like 110 dollars
That's because that's an HDD so it cost less than an SSD
green fulcrum
I bought a 12 TB hard drive for $140 Canadian. That was a steal.
astral steeple
i should probably get a 16tb external drive for my xbox one at some point
since thats like the max size the 2013 xbox one supports
visual hill
I no longer have any HDDs in my house since 2022. van SSD life
thorny loom
Why are you posting ads?
In fairness. The whole two cod game line was pretty amusing
thorny loom
Reminder you can get this today https://x.com/wario64/status/1813107842133434697?s=46&t=bVzXPIZvXYyJJoEkCfgMsQ
Twitter
For free*
gaunt marten
Why would I do that?
quiet swift
Because you always complain stuff is too expensive, and this is free~
gaunt marten
Yeah but It's not even worth my time
Isn't the suicide squad game universally panned?
Pouring river water in your socks is free and nobody does that
slim thorn
well, it's not clear which of these games agent was referring to
Rise of the Tomb Raider is supposed to be good, right?
gaunt marten
It sells for less than Amazon prime does
Oh apparently it's 6 dollars in some regions
quiet swift
Isn't the suicide squad game universally panned?
As a product (live service, etc) yes. As a game I've heard it can be pretty fun
slim thorn
according to the lengthy video essay I watched on suicide squad, there's a few good mechanics, but the overall experience is mid at best, and only gets worse the more you play because of how painfully repetitive and same-y it is
sour hill
Chivalry II is really fun
gaunt marten
I heard 1 is good
sour hill
I never played 1, but I've consistently enjoyed 2
gaunt marten
If chivalry was so good where's my coat over the puddle?
thorny loom
Isn't the suicide squad game universally panned?
I mean yeah but its free
You could always just claim it and let it rot in your library
rancid herald
Pouring river water in your socks is free and nobody does that
we should start a trend!
random steppe
From the review I've read about Suicide Squad.
The gameplay cycle is pretty bad, but people do praise the movment system very highly
Maybe if we are lucky, they'll use that in a single player game next
slim thorn
yeah, I also heard movement was the good part
rancid herald
If you want to play a game where the movement is good, might I suggest dance dance revolution?
green fulcrum
We could still see a Crash 5 someday, it just might not use the concepts made in the original pitch (or they'll be retooled).
sour hill
Running With Scissors confirmed to be developing the next Clock Tower game
chilly mural
https://www.vg247.com/crash-bandicoot-5-was-reportedly-in-the-works-but-now-canc...
as saddening as no crash 5, I am glad they were able to get something out, crash 4 is great and a completionist nightmare, I am still more saddened that they were not able to get Spyro 4 as their level designs in crash 4 and asset and world redesigning showed extremely creative promise to new designs in Spyro.
river veldt
Kojima always has the best pictures https://x.com/hideo_kojima_en/status/1813354535131480453?s=46
Twitter
bitter stream
who's in this picture?
river veldt
from right to left: Hideo Kojima, Guillermo del Toro, Mike Flanagan, and some sort of creature
bitter stream
neat! seems to be having a good time
green fulcrum
Ngl, I thought the middle guy was George R. R. Martin for a second
river veldt
they look similar lol