why are these sludges alive
#general gaming
river veldt
random steppe
these are annoying
gaunt marten
To mess with you. There's a trick that eliminates them
gaunt marten
Be careful taking this bonfire
random steppe
Do you want to know what dying to the basilisk does?
Or you prefere uncovering that organically?
gaunt marten
The big eye dudes
river veldt
Be careful taking this bonfire
why
fresh bane
woo!
isn't it incredible?
gaunt marten
Well if you die, you'll come back at this bonfire, and you'll have less HP since you lost your humanity, which will mean you'll have a hard time making it back to Firelink
random steppe
You don't have less HP in DS1 if you don't have your humanity
fresh bane
I found almost all secrets during my playthrough, I only missed || the two that were in that one room in the ocean area without a doorknob, I don't know how I would open that ||
fresh bane
I almost feel like doing another playthrough because I liked it so much
gaunt marten
Kill it with fire
river veldt
i saved a guy from being eaten by butcher lady
gaunt marten
Now you get to eat him instead
fresh bane
also Mara's just the cutest survival horror protagonist 
gaunt marten
Buffs the damage of his allies
river veldt
ah !
slim thorn
I found almost all secrets during my playthrough, I only missed || the two that ...
yeah, I'm usually pretty bad at finding unmarked secrets so I'm happy with 4
river veldt
these fuckinng rats
slim thorn
since I'm not aware of any hints as to where the other secrets are (except ||clearly the soda machine had something|| but I have no clue what to do with it) I don't see myself going back for them; the experience would just be reading a wiki somewhere and executing the steps
gaunt marten
Dying to the rats is a blessing.
sour hill
Yeah, because rats are the most sacred of enemies
gaunt marten
Be super aggressive
river veldt
i am !!! they keep ganging up on me !
gaunt marten
Unlike with the big rat, these rats die more easily if you throw caution to the wind and attack them through damage
Take your shield off and do a sweeping attack
If you're at full health, you should kill the rats in one hit each, and they will not kill you in time
river veldt
i keep forgetting i can two hand
woops
this is the scariest dragon ive ever sern in my life
river veldt
also he one shot me what ?
gaunt marten
He's easy to dodge. You might need more health though
He has one attack that should kill you with one hit. His others in two or three
river veldt
oh i found better armor
gaunt marten
Forget armor
You want to be light rolling against this boss
His grab will kill you through armor
fresh bane
since I'm not aware of any hints as to where the other secrets are (except ||cle...
Ooooooooohhhhh || you were so close 
||
gaunt marten
To get light rolls, take off armor, unnecessary weapons and shields until you're at 30% of the weight max
fresh bane
I physically cannot see a question mark on a map in a game and go ''huh guess I'll get it later maybe'' so I went back there to finish it before progressing || and solving the puzzle for the soda machine gives you the code for the cabinet at the Crow's Lounge that gives you a map to find all the secrets ||
gaunt marten
Judging by your stats from earlier you probably moved from fat roll to normal roll
river veldt
is a fat roll the one that makes the screen shake
gaunt marten
Yes
fresh bane
I physically cannot see a question mark on a map in a game and go ''huh guess I'...
|| here's what that looks like ||
gaunt marten
Now, if you want advice, this boss does huge dashing attacks and then stops. I recommend you give him space and watch how he acts for a while
river veldt
cursed ??????
random steppe
Well
gaunt marten
I told you not to die to the basilisks
random steppe
Prepare for a detour
gaunt marten
Being cursed halves your HP until you cure the curse
gaunt marten
You'll have to go all the way to Firelink and take the elevator down
fresh bane
I had one secret that I felt so frustrated by that I had to look up, || it's the one secret puzzle in the safe room with the trains, I was overthinking the hell out of it so I just opened up one of the guides on steam and felt stupid afterwards because it was actually really simple but I got really turned around and confused while doing it (probably didn't help I was like 4 hours into the session) ||
random steppe
It's either that, I think the weirdo in the belltower also sells those
gaunt marten
At the end there's a merchant
river veldt
fucking hell
gaunt marten
Oh yeah. That other guy only shows up under certain conditions
river veldt
i thought they were just going to poison me !
gaunt marten
That's why I told you not to take the bonfire
gaunt marten
It's fine if you don't get cursed. If you do, then you'd better find the shortcut back
random steppe
Was there a weird dude in the belltower after you rang the first bell? You should start checking there
gaunt marten
First thing to do would be to find Firelink
random steppe
not transient curse
Purging stones
For 3k I think
He only sells 5
There is also another dude in new londo, where Flitter is directing you, he does fix it for 1 humanity but also, it's pretty hard to reach
I would try the belltower dude because you can buy the item and carry it around
In case it happens again
even tho it has limited uses
gaunt marten
Good idea
river veldt
why is there no map
fresh bane
also I see || you decided to end the game as Elaine rather than Mara, after I talked to Mr Crow through the intercomm and noticed that in the menu Mara's name changed to Elaine and her status became Infected and washed her hair dye off I loaded up the game to see if I could choose not to talk to him and not wash the hair just in case there was some alternate ending mumbo jumbo but no, there's also no alternate ending where you give Crow the antidote either, I thought refusing taking his letter would do that but no you simply just don't take his letter, I wonder if maybe there is a point to that choice or not 
||
river veldt
he seems nice
river veldt
ok if i go in the oposite direction i just go back to the bonfire
gaunt marten
Maybe it's not the exact opposite direction
I recall there's a slope up and a door
The slope is in a narrow corridor
river veldt
just a slope or stairs ?
gaunt marten
If you find it, it should take you all the way back to the upper depths
Not sure.
It's been a while
random steppe
Yeah I have a visual memory for dark souls maps, if I see it I would be able to navigate it but by memory it's pretty hard
Especially the Depths
river veldt
this is where i currently am
gaunt marten
Yes the shortcut is very close
river veldt
at the far end is the merchant fella and on the right is a door with stairs leading back to the bonfire
gaunt marten
And there's a hallway that leads to the boss
random steppe
I think back to the bonfire and the look got a way to go up from there, should be stairs or stuff like that
river veldt
if i go all the way up the stairs and then take a right then a left i find myself in the room where the butcher was but on the lower floor
random steppe
I think there might be a ladder in that room
river veldt
ok let me look
random steppe
Not 100% sure
river veldt
ok i found my way back to the room where the guy was trapped in the barrel
i dont see a ladder in the previous room bit there is a hole here that goes into a watery area ? should i go there
random steppe
At this point I would look
gaunt marten
If you made it to that room you're back in upper depths
Just traverse your way back in however path you can find. Lower depth is the one that's hard to traverse
random steppe
My brain wants to say that there is a way to ascend from that room but if you don't see anything I belive you and assume I don't remember correctly
gaunt marten
Near that area there's the butcher that jumps at you from above
There's no way to get up there
slim thorn
I physically cannot see a question mark on a map in a game and go ''huh guess I'...
OH COME ON
well in that case maybe I will go back
random steppe
Make sure to get 3k souls, or to have enough hard souls you can break down into actual souls
gaunt marten
Next time will be a lot easier
fresh bane
I would usually tell you you don't need to, since I also am on the same group of people that tends to not replay games even if I think the game is a masterpiece
But I like the game so much and it's short enough that I would tell you to go for it especially since you just beat it so you'll know where to go and what to do and cut down the length by like, 2 hours probably
random steppe
Did you open the shortcut from the church with the elevators?
slim thorn
also I see || you decided to end the game as Elaine rather than Mara, after I ta...
"decided" might be too strong a word, I was just clicking on stuff then wondered why that was even a thing until a few minutes later the reveal happened
random steppe
If you did that it should be pretty fast
river veldt
Did you open the shortcut from the church with the elevators?
YES omg i did
random steppe
then you can just go up
random steppe
no problem
river veldt
i would have walked the whole way there
slim thorn
I would usually tell you you don't need to, since I also am on the same group of...
for the record I blame me only attempting the puzzle once on the fact that enemies spawned in front of it so I figured I couldn't justify spending the ammo until I found whatever memo told me the answer
river veldt
oh fuck they're multiplying
random steppe
Oh right, small thing, remember to not use the boss souls
You can turn them into weapons later
Most of them are pretty bad TBH, but like, in case you want to see what they do
gaunt marten
Furrysword
sour hill
oh fuck they're multiplying
fresh bane
"decided" might be too strong a word, I was just clicking on stuff then wondered...
No that's completely fair, I would've done the same except I was really getting into the story and characters || so when Mara washes off her hair I thought ''wait a minute...'' and remembered the picture of Elaine as a little girl and connected the dots, and then I noticed that if you go into the menu her name changes and her status becomes infected and fully realized what was going on ||
river veldt
i dont have any boss souls i think
fresh bane
for the record I blame me only attempting the puzzle once on the fact that enemi...
Yep, that's completely fair too, I encountered this with a lot of puzzles in the game until I realized that the puzzles are usually completely solve-able in the very same room you encounter them unless it requires a different item || the same happened to me with the Mush Room puzzle where I didn't realize that I just had to eat all the mushrooms and that was it, I thought I had to do it in order or something ||
river veldt
what tab are they under
gaunt marten
Consumables
random steppe
Oh wait no, actually you are right
gaunt marten
Do not consume them unless you need the money bad
river veldt
which tab is consumables
fresh bane
If you want a clue but not the solution: || that soda puzzle is completely solveable, you just have to look at what information the puzzle gives you and what information that could correlate to around the room, it took me a second but if you just walk around and look around you'll definitely get it ||
gaunt marten
I don't know
fresh bane
I actually think it was a really fun puzzle
random steppe
The bosses you killed so far leave no soul
slim thorn
No that's completely fair, I would've done the same except I was really getting ...
I saw the status as part of my near-muscle memory core combat loop and tried to apply an Antidote, but never saw the name lol
river veldt
oh ok
fresh bane
I saw the status as part of my near-muscle memory core combat loop and tried to ...
Yup, I loved that I also tried to use an antidote, || but then Mara/Elaine just says: ''there's no point'', and I thought it was really cool ||
river veldt
who is this lady
slim thorn
Yep, that's completely fair too, I encountered this with a lot of puzzles in the...
iirc more than half of the "puzzles" required an item from somewhere else? sometimes I already had the item but that was never guaranteed
fresh bane
Yeah maybe I should've clarified: all the secret puzzles don't require any items or any other clues at all, you can solve all of them in the very same room you encounter them (as in the game gives you the clues in the same room already), anything related to progression does require key items
gaunt marten
Which lady?
gaunt marten
Talk to them to find out
river veldt
i did
gaunt marten
She's a fire keeper!
slim thorn
OH, ok yeah I thought you just meant puzzle puzzle
river veldt
one guy just went "mnnnn" and then the other guy was like "damn bitch you look nasty do not talk to M'lady looking like that"
slim thorn
since even the game's UI describes the red circles on the map as "puzzles"
fresh bane
Yeah, I don't like that the game does that, it's a lot more confusing than simply marking a room in red to signify ''something was left unfinished here'' like the RE games do
(I also don't like that you can't read memos outside safe rooms 
)
slim thorn
oh I liked both of those things
slim thorn
see the red/blue map status in RE games is important partially because there's usually multiple points of no return so you don't know if you'll be able to go back to all those rooms, but Crow Country never permanently cuts off any part of the map so there's far less of a need to tell me if I missed any resources
(among other factors related to that open design, like way more personal choice about how many enemies I run past versus shoot)
fresh bane
I guess so, also the game has a built-in randomizer when it comes to resources just like RE3 does too
to be clear this isn't a big issue for me I literally loved the entire game but since you mentioned the marking puzzles I mentioned it because I found it a bit confusing at first since I would assume I left a room before finishing a puzzle but it actually meant that I needed an item to solve that so it didn't end up helping me at all when I got lost (which didn't happen that much to be fair)
But now that you mention it, I do like that || the game differenciates SECRET puzzles from puzzle puzzles, the secrets get marked with a ? on the map ||
I still don't like not being able to read memos on the fly though, but again, not a big issue, the game is fantastic anyways
slim thorn
I found it helpful since it marked every critical path puzzle, so I could be sure I hadn't forgotten any of the important ones, even if some of them weren't solvable yet
fresh bane
(among other factors related to that open design, like way more personal choice ...
I will say the game has a surprising enemy variety 
It's pretty cool
slim thorn
the memos thing is interesting since save rooms are never that far away, and there honestly aren't that many (that are "unused" at any given time)
there was actually one point in the game where I knew I'd forgotten something important in a past memo, and decided to try and get to a save point to reread them all, and did lose a little health and ammo in the process, but was able to complete the puzzle "legit" afterwards
at least for me that was fun and felt like the game working as designed
river veldt
Dark Souls is very addicting
fresh bane
I would've reloaded my save so fucking fast
I already do whenever I waste one more bullet than necessary, but that's because I'm a psychopath
I do think that having a safe room be so close at all points didn't make the whole memo reading thing that big of a deal at the end of the day, since I could just go back there really quickly if I needed to refresh my memory
slim thorn
I try to avoid the temptation to save scum in these games since living with your (survivable) mistakes is such an important part of the experience
especially when I can trust the game to do dynamic difficulty/item drop adjustment if I really eff up
fresh bane
The game being (relatively) smaller than other survival horror games probably also helps, if I had to do that to read a note in RE1R I probably would've gotten very frustrated but for this game I didn't feel like the distances between areas were that long which really made it more enjoyable for me
slim thorn
ok finally made it back to the ?
yeah a lot of these "small" but actually huge design differences would not have worked if the game was bigger
fresh bane
That's a perfectly fair point, I'm just a goblin that must collect every item and resource in the game
Although halfway through the game, after I realized the game was being very generous with resources and it would even generate more resources so I would never truly run out, I did become a bit less stingy about losing out on ammo or health (the game even puts ammo back in safe rooms too sometimes which was really nice to find )
slim thorn
there's a reason a typical RE is broken up into, what, 3-5 Crow Country-like segments?
fresh bane
Yep, C.C feels like at least 1 and a half Spencer Mansions/RPD's
slim thorn
iiuc there was also the emergency option of getting more ammo from your car
fresh bane
There is, but only for whenever you're fully out of ammo, which fortunately I never had to do
||(also did you go back to talk to the guy on the car?)||
slim thorn
yeah, never came up for me, but given how her dialogue was phrased I assumed that was the fallback mechanic
I did
fresh bane
You get an achievement for it I checked up on him a couple times whenever I was passing by that entrance area
|| he gets a couple new lines after you meet the real cop with the bike ||
slim thorn
wait I think I see the answer
fresh bane
random steppe
Dark Souls is very addicting
Yeah the drive to see what's in the next room is strong, I love exploration in these games largely because the artistic direction is so strong that really pushes you forward
fickle garnet
does anyone know some good skyrim mods?
gaunt marten
Play Crystal Project for exploration
random steppe
Crystal Project looks good, I just have a ton of games I want to play in the next few months
slim thorn
okay apparently I don't know the answer
random steppe
I will get around to it eventually
slim thorn
(other servers pulled me away for 20 minutes)
fickle garnet
can you even mod the pc game pass version of skyrim?
i didnt think about this till now
fresh bane
okay apparently I don't know the answer
Are you still on the soda puzzle?
if so and you want a clue: || the colors and flavors of the soda correlate with something else in the room, like exactly the same elements for something else in the room ||
slim thorn
yeah I've tried 10-20 different things with zero feedback so I'm pretty sure it's not happening
fresh bane
I can just tell you if you want then
river veldt
does anyone know some good skyrim mods?
there's that one where the Space Core from Portal 2 falls into Skyrim
slim thorn
wait I think I see the answer
what I saw was ||the strings of triangular flags having the same colors as the soda||, but now that I've tried every conceivable way of reading that clue I'm pretty sure it's either something completely different or there's some dumb gotcha I'd never get on my own
fresh bane
That's a good guess, I also guessed that, but the answer is way simpler, I'd encourage you to still try it and if you still don't get it I can nudge you in the right direction
slim thorn
wait wait
fresh bane
The answer is right in your face, don't overthink it like I did
slim thorn
nvm got it
fresh bane
slim thorn
well no the answer was not in my face at all because I never ||walked to the opposite side of the room 
||
fresh bane
|| fruits are friends! ||
fresh bane
well no the answer was not in my face at all because I never ||walked to the opp...
Yeah I was trying to imply that you didn't need to deduce anything or that it wasn't some 200 iq puzzle but rather literally right in your face || if you stared at it 
||
I had walked there when I entered the room because that's where you have to pick up the phone from so I saw the answer but I didn't put two and two together until way after
|| have fun finding the secrets now, there's a couple real head scratchers in there! ||
slim thorn
I already see a few in places I specifically tried and failed to solve puzzles before
fresh bane
|| also, pre-emptively I'm telling you now, there's two secrets inside a room on the ocean kingdom, it's the staff room with no doorknob, I have no idea how to get there at all so don't worry about those two ||
slim thorn
that's one of them
when I saw the clue about ||the weak door|| I immediately threw a grenade at it
fresh bane
Unless you find a way to get there, in which case, tell me!
I did the same thing too
I also tried || shooting the hinges off with the shotgun ||
slim thorn
same
fresh bane
also just to make sure... during || the section near the end where all monsters die and it gets super dark, did you get randomly shot at from nowhere? 
||
slim thorn
yes
||I debated trying to move towards the shooter but decided I was better off moving the big crow and taking the lift down since there was no cover or obvious flanking route||
||I assume it was Marvin since he shows up later with a gun at my back||
fresh bane
|| I was gonna say, I was just thinking about it now and thought maybe it was him too, I also tried chasing after it but I don't think there's anyone to find and it's just a thing to scare you or foreshadow that moment a little bit ||
I had a real funny thing happen because || I got to that part of the game without having access to Crow's room or having fixed the elevators, because i had completely forgotten that the silver key is meant to be used in that door you kick in the ocean kingdom area so I was running around aimlessly while getting shot at and not knowing what to do or where to go 
||
slim thorn
nice
fresh bane
in my defense, I was like 5 hours into the game at that point, I was fully getting ready to end it there but I was having too much fun that I kept going anyways and ended up finishing it lol
slim thorn
ok this makes sense
so during my main playthrough when I found ||the Mush Room|| it was obvious there was a puzzle there but I didn't want to risk killing myself, and now that I've tried it indeed it does nearly kill you lol
fresh bane
Yeah you gotta stack up on medkits for that
|| I thought I had to eat only the safe ones, which is what I did, but then nothing happened, so I was like alright, guess I'll find out later, then I came back later near the end of the game and I just.. ate all of them to see what happened, and that was it ||
fresh bane
Good job, the remaining ones are pretty fun
Also huh I did not get those bird collectables...
I have no idea what those are
slim thorn
it gave me the option to enable them after I finished the game, turns out it applies even to loading an existing save
what rank did it give you? I know something it gave me was rank B-and-up only but I don't remember exactly
fresh bane
Oh! Right, I remember the game did tell me about those after the credits, I got a B+ too but I didn't load up the game again to do anything so I did not see those or checked the options
I did see there's || at least two more items to get if you get a higher rank, so it makes me want to try and replay the game to see what those are I had gotten the Crow Bar (heh) which I don't know what it does, so it might be worth to see what that's all about ||
but yeah I'm glad you liked it and that you played it too 
it's a really really really good game
bold sonnet
If Applejack grew corn
harsh kestrel
Dear God lol
river veldt
holy shit i just found a huge sword
river veldt
some long word that starts with z
i had to run away from lots of scary skeletons to get it
gaunt marten
Zweihander?
fresh bane
the zwei is great for a strength build
gaunt marten
Two handed greatsword. Deals more damage than the claymore but less wieldy to use.
Scales with strength a good amount and dex a little
river veldt
does Miyazaki like Berserk perchance
gaunt marten
It's literally named two-hander so don't worry about wielding it in one hand
He is a huge berserk fan
thorny loom
river veldt
He is a huge berserk fan
i can tell
gaunt marten
But Zweihander is a real weapon
river veldt
oh really ?
gaunt marten
gaunt marten
It's big
river veldt
hold on let me see what that is in pounds
fresh bane
does Miyazaki like Berserk perchance
Literally a good 70% of Dark Souls content is just Berserk
Not even Berserk references, just Berserk period
river veldt
ive thought about reading Berserk but it's kind of intimidating
fresh bane
Berserk is long but it's one of the best pieces of media I've read
river veldt
yeah that's what ive heard from people
fresh bane
I legitimately think every single arc is greatly constructed and written unlike other works that are similarly long but have large chunks that are very badly written, I never felt that with Berserk at all
river veldt
noted 
craggy vine
https://fxtwitter.com/Rovertronic/status/1792208591442825268
Inb4 it gets copyright striked by Nintendo
gaunt marten
What are they copyright striking?
It's a program that doesn't use any of Nintendo's data
craggy vine
It's using Nintendo's textures in it
green fulcrum
Yes, but if the whole program is about making your own Super Mario 64 levels and is using Nintendo's textures, Nintendo is eventually gonna find a way to either tell you to take it down or sue you, even if you've taken every step possible to ensure it doesn't happen.
gaunt marten
It doesn't use Nintendo's textures
This sort of program is legal and widespread
Ship of Harkinian is one example. Nintendo can't DMCA them or win a lawsuit because they don't actually include any of Nintendo's data with the program. The user has to provide it
fresh bane
Didn't N64 games largely use a lot of textures that were directly taken, sometimes with barely any changes, from very very popular photography CDs from back then? Would it even be ''nintendo's textures''?
gaunt marten
It doesn't use code, assets or anything else except the word Mario
novel pine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zweih%C3%A4nder?wprov=sfla1
Seeeexy sword
i like the serated ones more
gaunt marten
They are cool but not relevant here
gaunt marten
Not really
novel pine
Womp womp
fresh bane
But yeah I don't see much reason for Nintendo to force that romhack to be taken down unless they were feeling especially shitty, although even if I was 100% sure they wouldn't, I still would have to quote Woolie on this and tell people to simply shut the fuck up and not bring too much attention to these cool community fan created content
it's especially unhelpful (and also unoriginal) to reply to the tweet of the creator saying something like ''Oh boy!!! I sure hope Nintendo doesn't DMCA this!!! 
''
there's just no point in saying stuff like that (and in the worst case scenario, it's just actively calling for it to happen and bringing bad attention to it)
gaunt marten
They can't take it down if they wanted to
novel pine
But yeah I don't see much reason for Nintendo to force that romhack to be taken ...
I don't even play ANY Mario games (nor follow anyone in the Mario community) and have already seen it a bunch all over Twitter, so a bit too late for keeping it quiet...
craggy vine
Ship of Harkinian is one example. Nintendo can't DMCA them or win a lawsuit bec...
I mean I thought a similar thing of the Portal to N64 port, but that ended up getting a DMCA from nintendo I'm pretty sure
Just for making a game for their console
gaunt marten
There was no DMCA for Portal 64
It was taken down willingly after Valve requested it
Additionally, Portal 64 DOES use Nintendo's stuff
It uses a part of the official Nintendo SDK
craggy vine
oh huh
I thought Nintendo took it down
Kinda interesting to see Valve be the one taking it down
gaunt marten
The author took it down after being asked nicely
craggy vine
Makes sense
thorny loom
Nintendo is also infamous for dmcaing fan projects and then using the ideas from them in future projects/games
river veldt
why did no one tell me about Gwynevere
thorny loom
I believe mario 35 was probably the most infamous example of it
gaunt marten
Nintendo cannot DMCA something if they do not own it
thorny loom
Twitter
rugged flax
hate to be that mod, but sorry, gonna have to yeet this.
one of those icons is something very NSFW 
craggy vine
Somebody postin nsfw in manechat
thorny loom
Twitter
rare garden
<:izzynothoughtsheadempty:910198222255972382> Somebody postin nsfw in manechat
Nsfw? In my manechat?
craggy vine
your manechat?
light gate
Ah yes, John Manechat.
Iโm here with the IRS in regards of an outstanding tax debt. Iโm sure youโll understand and cooperate in a civil matter.
rare garden
Nuh uh
little badger
bold sonnet
craggy vine
Might have slowed down a bit too much on some of those corners
craggy vine
https://fxtwitter.com/multiversus/status/1792540812875616695?
This game does seem super cool
astral steeple
Wow it was actually real
slim thorn
|| also, pre-emptively I'm telling you now, there's two secrets inside a room on...
I think I might have the answer to that one 
river veldt
uggggh this stupid dragon's charge move keeps fucking me up
gaunt marten
Yeah
The best way to learn how a boss acts is to keep as much space between you and them as possible
Then just watch and dodge, until you're confident you know how they work
Once you are, try to exploit openings
little badger
Forza enjoyer 
river veldt
gotem ๐
i did what you told me to do flitter and took all my armor off lol
no idea where to go now though
gaunt marten
BUT
If it was up to me I'd go to Firelink instead and then follow a different branch
The next area is miserable unless you're super ready
river veldt
ok i'll head back to Firelink then
gaunt marten
Try to finish exploring the following areas:
1- The wooded area next to Andre (if you're feeling brave you can even kill the demon right next to him for a chance at a very good weapon).
2- The Valley of Drakes under Firelink.
And if you want to be even more ready, do a little bit of exploration in ghost town under Firelink, the undead asylum, and the catacombs
If you're super impatient just do the Valley
bold sonnet
Forza enjoyer <:flutterooh:630400755479609365>
I was never good in car games or football games, but since I started playing with a friend I learned (more or less 
) and now enjoy them ๐
river veldt
ok i think i'll head to the forest area
how do i get to the Valley though just for future reference ?
im assuming either ghost town or catacombs is the place beyond the graveyrd with the scary skeletons
gaunt marten
Down the elevator into ghost town but instead of entering you use the master key
gaunt marten
The other elevator
The one downstairs from Firelink
Not the shortcut to gargoyles elevator
river veldt
is it past the skeletons ?
gaunt marten
(you should have found it like ten hours ago.)
Did you rescue the dude in the gargoyles area?
river veldt
there's a lady behind bars here
gaunt marten
Good
river veldt
oh she can reinforce my estus flask
gaunt marten
That's your fire keeper
Keep her alive at any cost
She makes Firelink shrine work, and if you sit there you get more estus than with a normal bonfire
gaunt marten
Yes!
river veldt
he's just like me fr
gaunt marten
You can kill him. He comes back
river veldt
damn these big boys fucked me up
gaunt marten
Oh in the tunnel?
Good!
They are great great club club members and are teaching you of their peaceful ways by force
The big dudes are easy to handle but you need to be patient and bait their attacks
They're weak to backstabs
river veldt
i walked up slowly to one and it didn't backstab wtf
gaunt marten
Their hitbox is a little weird
When they do their big swing you can circle around, walk into them and backstab
river veldt
should i give andre this large ember
gaunt marten
Yeah
river veldt
im going to take a break
gaunt marten
It is called the valley of breaks
bronze abyss
https://fxtwitter.com/multiversus/status/1792540812875616695?
are they really ready to release it? they literaly have to re-make the entire core of the game for it to be playable
fresh bane
I think I might have the answer to that one <a:ponkevilplan:636596299415814185>
|| Something tells me that that's not the answer but to be fair I did not actually try that when I got the flamethrower||
Make sure to ||talk to the little mushroom boy for your flamethrower upgrade ||
little badger
are they really ready to release it? they literaly have to re-make the entire co...
We will see when it releases.
bronze abyss
well the expectations are insanely low thats for sure,theres already 2 near perfect platform fighters that are available on all platforms,one of which is getting a new game soon and the other being actively updated and supported with a massive community
so they probbaly wont be able to compete with anything other than the fact that "hey look funny bugs bunny fighting batman"
little badger
Well if it has P2W items then it wonโt do well.
slim thorn
|| Something tells me that that's not the answer but to be fair I did not actual...
ah you're here now, and my work's over, so a few screenshots I was holding onto while chat was busy
aww this bird thinks it's a people ||blam||
so after one full secret-hunting pass around the surface this is where I'm at; this spoils bird locations but not sure if you wanted to look for those?
green fulcrum
hate to be *that* mod, but sorry, gonna have to yeet this.
one of those icons is...
Ah, my apologies then. I wasn't aware, I thought it was all just jokes.
(Sorry for the late reply, I just woke up.)
harsh kestrel
Le gasp
fresh bane
so after one full secret-hunting pass around the surface this is where I'm at; t...
woo good job, I see you also got the secret on the crypt, that one and the train secret took me a while
I don't mind the locations for those things, || I knew that those random rooms like the machine rooms had something in them! you don't just add useless rooms in a survival horror game ||
rugged flax
Ah, my apologies then. I wasn't aware, I thought it was all just jokes.
(Sorry ...
It's fine
The "femboy" one is just something very NSFW on Steam. 
static bluff
GEEEZ GT! Try to keep it safe for woona!
It'll never not be funny to me when regulars truly accidentally post something nsfw
green fulcrum
It's fine
The "femboy" one is just something *very* NSFW on Steam. <:flutterscar...
I had a feeling that one might've been it, but considering all the other ones were jokes, I thought that one was just a joke too. Didn't know it was an actual thing on Steam. My bad! 
slim thorn
woo <:mistywoohoo:1027546485904121916> good job, I see you also got the secret o...
I have one bird left 
static bluff
oh nice
green fulcrum
Next time I'll be more cautious and run it through someone on the mod team, just to be safe
rugged flax
Tbh
I don't think most of the mods would have caught that one 
That's something that you'd only recognize if you've been trawling the depths of Steam 
green fulcrum
fresh bane
I have _one bird left_ <a:ponkscrunchintensify:789282051010068511>
Oh you're actually gonna 100% the game more than me
and here I thought I had collected everything
harsh kestrel
Lunar just has enhanced eyes lol
slim thorn
FOUND IT
yeah since their placements follow such a clear pattern it's actually feasible to find them all by process of elimination
oh, of course, it's ||a costume room||, what else would the postgame secret be
fresh bane
gaunt marten
She needs a megaman legends outfit
fresh bane
cute!
slim thorn
ok I think I need to just look up the 15th "secret"
...oh
without spoiling the puzzle I'm gonna say that relies on a thing I never saw happen so I really never stood a chance
now I believe I'm done with the game, the only significant thing left to do is replay it from the start for a higher rank, which isn't my thing
fresh bane
I guess I got some work to do if I'm allowed to backtrack all the way there from my last save then
gaunt marten
And AP integration
fresh bane
although I could just start a new file and see if I can finish the game faster...
slim thorn
yep, the point of no return is after the last save room, so you can do everything from any save file except of course a better rank
someone else started AP integration already
because of course they did
oh and the achievement for ||talking to Arthur apparently requires talking to him before you meet the cop? since I don't have it||, so technically I'm locked out of that too
fresh bane
oh and the achievement for ||talking to Arthur apparently requires talking to hi...
|| Arthur is the guy in the car right? If so yeah I think I immediately went to check on him after you save him instead of way later down the line, but I didn't know it was variable like that actually ||
little badger
unreal idol
green fulcrum
https://fxtwitter.com/charlieintel/status/1792615478298325365?
There is literally a crafting recipe book in-game that you can access and find the recipes at (and it's even more blatant on Bedrock Edition, which is the edition that Xbox runs on, which has it pre-opened every time you access a crafting table), which gives you EXACT instructions for how to create whatever item you have a recipe unlocked for, and unlocking recipes is done by literally just picking up any item. Every recipe that item is in is automatically unlocked.
This is the most useless and tonedeaf inclusion of AI I have ever seen. 
Anyway, in much less stupid news, Larian Studios has opened up a new office, and they've confirmed that TWO new RPGs are now in development. 
Also, that Winged Hussar logo is sexy.
thorny loom
bronze abyss
not gundam pleaseeeeeee 
little badger
There is literally a crafting recipe book in-game that you can access and find t...
I just canโt wait until the AI makes a story that doesnโt make sense
gaunt marten
There is literally a crafting recipe book in-game that you can access and find t...
If it's exact, it's not AI
green fulcrum
I just canโt wait until the AI makes a story that doesnโt make sense <:rdlol:588...
That's already happened
gaunt marten
AI is generally an approximator
green fulcrum
Yes, that's what I'm saying. The crafting recipe book in-game is already much better at explaining how to craft recipes than the AI designed to help you craft recipes.
Which makes this inclusion of AI useless and nothing more than a fad to grab investors' money.
little badger
That's already happened
What game?
gaunt marten
AI Dungeon
green fulcrum
What game?
Oh I thought you meant just a story in general, although I'm sure that there have been games with stories written by AI.
fresh bane
I think I might have the answer to that one <a:ponkevilplan:636596299415814185>
Oh come on || I didn't even notice it was a wooden door... ||
slim thorn
Oh come on <:rdsnrk:587780329335422977> || I didn't even notice it was a wooden ...
there's also the staff note ||saying it's too old to withstand a fire||
fresh bane
oh that made me feel so smart
river veldt
these black knights with spears are infuriating
fresh bane
I was really overthinking this one and wondering what i had to do, I was thinking || do I have to just guess which numbers the dials stops at..? until I remembered, wait a minute, I know how much these animals weigh! :greattrixierun: ||
fresh bane
there's also the staff note ||saying it's too old to withstand a fire||
Yeah, I didn't go back to a safe area to check for notes because of what you posted so that's the first thin I tried, but if it didn't work I would've gone back and checked all my notes again, I'm really happy with the little worldbuilding and clues those notes give you, it's really neat
slim thorn
ah so you did get that message before, that's the only thing in the whole game I had to look up since ||when I interacted with the screen I had no idea it was connected to the shooting game in any way, I just got shark facts for seemingly no reason||
fresh bane
Yeah, I had that thing happen with other puzzles, missing one or two context clues like that can really mess you up a lot
It happened with || the crypt puzzle where the clue is how it's described using the same wording as the ones in the dungeon so that gives you the clue on how to open that gate ||
slim thorn
usually there's multiple things pointing you in the right direction so it's borderline impossible to get fully stuck, but of course these are the optional post-game secrets, not the critical path
fresh bane
the hunt begins
slim thorn
glhf
little badger
Oh I thought you meant just a story in general, although I'm sure that there hav...
Yeah I meant a game
fresh bane
aah so that's how we're keeping track
so here's a question, did you go back and finish the game after you got all the secrets and collectibles or did you just save and nothing else?
slim thorn
just save
fresh bane
yeah I figured, really weird though that there's no ng+ or something like that where you save after finishing the game
wind stump
lesgooooooo
bitter stream
little badger
wind stump
Speaking of overly long video essays on video games, I watched this today. (Ignore the stupid clickbait title, it's really good aside from that.)
For context, it's a video exploring two very obscure DS Horror games published by- checks notes Square Enix. And while the whole "trapped inside a cursed video game" idea is kinda common practice now, it wasn't back when this duology released, so you know, that's cool. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kj-uz6yKhhc
fresh bane
aah so that's how we're keeping track
aaaand that's all of them! woo, she looks so cute!
I'm really glad that || there wasn't one of these crows in the staff hall next to the lounge, that area sucks ||
slim thorn
Speaking of overly long video essays on video games, I watched this today. (Igno...
oooh I think I've heard of these before
fresh bane
Hmmm now all that's left to do is... replay the game with a fresh save and get S rank
|| there's those two other items asides from the crow bar and I'm curious what they do||
wind stump
oooh I think I've heard of these before
DS and "Horror game" is quite the limited list
fresh bane
https://fxtwitter.com/ninjatheory/status/1792601275550302264?
Man why does this make it seem like they're pre-emptively thanking people before they also get shut down
wuh oh
sour hill
ok i'll head back to Firelink then
I always just keep going through to blighttown because it's a fun area and it's right there
minor plover
my wife played through DS2 a few times to like ... the midpoint, maybe the 80% point ... and then was just like "this game isn't that good, I'm not going to finish."
10 minutes in DS3 and she's like "this is the best game. I'm never going back."
fresh bane
lol sounds about right
gaunt marten
DS3 is definitely my favorite of the three
fresh bane
From the first time I played DS2 to the last every time I gave that game a try and started a new playthrough I found myself giving up and saying the same, the game just isn't that good at all and I never had the drive to actually finish it even after the only thing to do was fight Nashandra
river veldt
what does restoring my humanity do besides making me prettier
gaunt marten
Gives you defense, allows invaders to fight you
river veldt
oh
fresh bane
Alright, so when it comes to humanity there's two
gaunt marten
And heals you to full
fresh bane
You have soft and hard humanity, soft humanity is the amount of humanity you currently have which is the number left to your hp bar, that actually has a couple of effects, it gives you resistance to Curse and also increases the drop rate of items the higher it goes, it also buffs certain weapon types || (Chaos weapons) ||, the 'hard' humanity is the humanity items you consume which can heal you completely and can also let you turn human which lets you summon people online and friendly NPCs but also opens you up for invasions
gaunt marten
Oh right, and reversing hollowing requires a humanity
random steppe
When you are human you can kindle bonfires to make them give you more estus, and you can see summon signs.
summon signs aren't exclusively an online mechanic, some NPCs leave summon signs you can use to summon them to help you, if you find them
fresh bane
Summon signs aren't exclusively online but to see them you have to be human including NPCs, can't summon without being human
random steppe
yes
river veldt
Ha ha ๐ซต
dont make me get you
river veldt
You have soft and hard humanity, soft humanity is the amount of humanity you cur...
oh ok makes sense
gonna be totally honest i just kept reclaiming my humanity because i wanted my character to look nice
random steppe
valid
slim thorn
man, when I tried this I had nowhere near enough humanity for that lol
quiet swift
If my only real experience with a soulslike is Elden ring, are DS1-2-3 worth trying or is there too many quality of life changes missing from them in comparison?
random steppe
If you ever need humanity, you can kill rats
river veldt
DS1 is very frustrating but fun
random steppe
They have a decent drop chance
river veldt
If you ever need humanity, you can kill rats
LOL i remember being so surprised that rats drop humanity
slim thorn
huh
random steppe
It's because they feed on corpses
river veldt
oooh
slim thorn
oh well, guess I never killed enough to notice that
random steppe
Another thing, soft humanity (the number near your hp) also ups your item discovery
That means it ups drop rates
river veldt
so when should i watch the 2 hour lore video
sour hill
If my only real experience with a soulslike is Elden ring, are DS1-2-3 worth try...
They're all very fun
random steppe
So if you ever happen to be farming something, using a bunch of humanity is not a bad idea
fresh bane
If my only real experience with a soulslike is Elden ring, are DS1-2-3 worth try...
There's absolutely a bit of an older feeling to DS1 and 3 in comparison to Elden Ring, Elden Ring is like Fromsoft's greatest hits the videogame so you have to understand it builds up on the foundations DS1 and 3 set, but that doesn't make them not masterpieces, they're still extremely worth games to play no matter how old they get
sour hill
so when should i watch the 2 hour lore video
Never /j
fresh bane
LOL i remember being so surprised that rats drop humanity
The sewer passageway in the depths near the first bonfire is a great spot for farming humanity from the rats
river veldt
there are more rats in there ?
random steppe
Yeah, it's a very good place
river veldt
ive always just seen one am i missing secret rats
random steppe
You can run down and kill 3 near some crates
And to the left where there are a couple more
Then repeat
river veldt
when does the paladin guy leave firelink i kind of hate him
the guy with the mace
idk his name
big boy
sour hill
If you murder him he goes away
river veldt
forever ?
sour hill
Yeah
fresh bane
|| (don't read this cap) ironically killing him first thing first is the best decision you can make in the long run ||
river veldt
i dont want to be a murderer
sour hill
What about all those rats you killed?
slim thorn
I'm sorry to be the one to tell you this Cap
but this isn't Undertale
killing is mandatory
random steppe
But are you really killing them?
river veldt
yeah none of the enemies die they all respawn
random steppe
Most of them are undead, and come back
river veldt
yeah
random steppe
Well not all
Dragons aren't humans and as thus don't suffer from undeath
Everything that it's not a human isn't an undead
fresh bane
Uhm, they're drakes, actually โ๏ธ
slim thorn
though this probably a setting where dying hurts like hell even if it doesn't stick
river veldt
do i ever fight the drake on the bridge
random steppe
Theorically even the NPCs you kill, you assume they just fucked off somewhere because they became mad, as you can't theorically permanently kill them I think
fresh bane
do i ever fight the drake on the bridge
that's entirely up to you
river veldt
every time i go near him he murders me in 3 seconds
fresh bane
just gonna have to get good I guess
random steppe
Uhm, they're drakes, actually <:twilight:399725087592284160> โ๏ธ
Not all of them, Cap already met an actual dragon
sour hill
What dragon are we talking about?
fresh bane
Thats a wyvern, actually
random steppe
Gaping Dragon is a dragon
sour hill
where the claymore is
Oh. No, I don't think so
sour hill
Gaping Dragon is a dragon
Prove it.
fresh bane
|| the only dragon left in DS1 is the Ash Lake dragon, and even then we don't know if it's actually a dragon from the age of ancients||
random steppe
||Seath||
fresh bane
Well yeah besides that one too
sour hill
||Black Dragon Kalameet||
slim thorn
what exactly do drake/dragon/wyvern/etc mean in the Fromsoft Expanded Universe?
river veldt
idk why you guys are spoilering these things i dont understand any of it lmao
fresh bane
But || he doesn't have scales so it doesn't count ||
sour hill
what exactly do drake/dragon/wyvern/etc mean in the Fromsoft Expanded Universe?
iirc dragons are immortal
fresh bane
The other types are descendants from the dragons, since dragons are basically extinct
sour hill
when do i get to Gwynevere btw
In your dreams
river veldt
i mean yeah but i meant in the game
random steppe
what exactly do drake/dragon/wyvern/etc mean in the Fromsoft Expanded Universe?
The easy way to tell them apart is that dragons have 4 limbs plus wings, while wyverns have 2 + wings
sour hill
i mean yeah but i meant in the game
Oh idk, that game sucks I don't play it
gaunt marten
You don't deserve me at my Gwynevere if you can't handle me at my Smough
river veldt
Oh idk, that game sucks I don't play it
what the fuck
kratga what do you mean you dont play it
why have you been giving me tips ๐ญ
slim thorn
you know you can't say that out loud
sour hill
kratga what do you mean you dont play it
I'm just fucking with you, I've sunk so many hours into DS1
random steppe
Also lore wise, dragons are essentially a primordial type of being that was there from before actual life was born to the world...
They are sorta of alive anyway but they are everlasting and don't play by the rules of current life
river veldt
why do you and nat lie to me so much ๐ญ
river veldt
Also lore wise, dragons are essentially a primordial type of being that was ther...
wow like Elder Scrolls
random steppe
They start to mutate in recent times, after most of them were killed
sour hill
They start gapin
random steppe
So you mosly get wyvern and drakes and some mutated form of dragons, like the Gaping one
fresh bane
Also lore wise, dragons are essentially a primordial type of being that was ther...
they don't play by the rules of current life
Gwyn: hehe, watch this 
โก
slim thorn
wait until you see him
sour hill
It's an extremely apt name
fresh bane
It's a very fitting name
sour hill
wait until you _see_ him
He's killed him
slim thorn
oh, for some reason I thought that was later
random steppe
They did see him, they killed it
river veldt
he was kind of easy ngl
random steppe
Yeah he isn't too bad, the run back sucks tho
river veldt
i used a homeward bone ๐
random steppe
No I mean to him, if you die
fresh bane
I only had trouble with the gaping dragon because I wanted the tail weapon
river veldt
i feel like a lot of these bosses are easy but im always way too greedy and impatient
river veldt
i have no idea how to dodge this butterfly's attacks
sour hill
And the weapons all suck anyway
Nuh uh (I haven't used any of them ever)
I always collect em, tho
fresh bane
I don't think they suck but why go through the trouble when there's a perfectly good claymore right there available with no extra hassle
random steppe
You took the words out of my mouth
sour hill
i have no idea how to dodge this butterfly's attacks
Is that the moonlight butterfly? Should be able to just roll or something? Idk
random steppe
They don't start with C and end with laymore so they aren't very good
gaunt marten
Just tank it and kill it faster
sour hill
I don't think they suck but why go through the trouble when there's a perfectly ...
Because you've already done 2 other claymore runs, 6 if we count the other souls games
river veldt
Is that the moonlight butterfly? Should be able to just roll or something? Idk
he keeps doing this stupid homing laser attack
why does he have lasers anyways
he's a butterfly
gaunt marten
Moonlight
random steppe
if you want to try to use a shield, you should use one with high magic mitigation
fresh bane
Because you've already done 2 other claymore runs, 6 if we count the other souls...
And there's about to be a seventh
river veldt
i have 3 shields i think
random steppe
Generally it's advised to roll frantically to dodge their attack
Then mistime it and get hit
river veldt
i have my knight one, my spider one, and the other one i cant remember
also i went to blighttown and a big boy shoved me off into an abyss
mad
have to walk all the way back
random steppe
I think you went to valley of the drakes
Did you pick up a shield there by any chance?
river veldt
ive gone many places
fresh bane
you don't have the grass crest shield?
random steppe
if you picked up that one, it restores your stamina a bit faster if you equip it, even if you have it on your back
it's pretty nice
fresh bane
It's literally the only shield worth using ever
sour hill
you don't have the grass crest shield?
If Havel scared him off, then he probably doesn't
river veldt
oh i do have the grass crest shield
fresh bane
It should always be on your person at all times
river veldt
it has a lower number than the knight shield though
random steppe
I disagre, there are a lot of shields that are pretty good, especially through the learning curve of the game
random steppe
If you are good at rolling, you don't need shields, but you can use them and do pretty good
fresh bane
it has a lower number than the knight shield though
but does the knight shield restore your stamina? 
river veldt
i look so badass
sour hill
DS1 is such a good looking videogame
fresh bane
You haven't even begun to see how badass your character can look
random steppe
elite knight armor is still peak in my book
river veldt
is there anything worth getting at the undead asylum
i went back there a few times but got my shit rocked by a demon and then a black knight
random steppe
I know I am a basic bitch for that take, but it's too good and I don't care
sour hill
is there anything worth getting at the undead asylum
Yeah
fresh bane
only one way to find out
river veldt
good gravy my stamina recharges a lot faster now
random steppe
It's a good shield, but as you said it doesn't have the best stats so it's up to you to decide if the tradeoff is worth it
worth keeping in mind that it has that property tho
sour hill
It's the best shield if you refuse to use a shield
fresh bane
The spider shield is probably the best shield for any shield users since it's one of the shields that blocks 100% of the damage, but regardless grass crest is a must for almost every situation simply because of the perma stamina regen
only reason not to use it is if it clashes with your fashion souls or if it's too heavy for your loadout
fresh bane
Asylum torch hollows are the most annoying enemy type in the game
sour hill
Bonewheels when you have low poise >>>
fresh bane
I stand by what I said
river veldt
so should i fight the asylum demon again
fresh bane
Are you sure it's the same one?
sour hill
At some point, yeah
sour hill
how the fuck was i supposed to dodge that attack
Dodge button
river veldt
thank you kratta
i hate how i have to see this fat fuck every time i come back
sorry that was mean
sour hill
I don't exactly remember, but if it was the AOE attack you can probably just run away if you're not too close
river veldt
mmmm
random steppe
I think you can try to block it but it's magic damage so most of it is going through the shield
If you time the roll you can definitely roll through it, or you can put enough distance where it doesn't hit you
If you learn the tell
river veldt
i dont think im strong enough to fight this guy yet
he just one shot me with his big hammer
fresh bane
Nonsense
sour hill
i dont think im strong enough to fight this guy yet
Yeah probably
fresh bane
You have to believe
random steppe
It's not an easy fight
river veldt
i'll try exploring the rest of the asylum at least
fresh bane
with the power of friendship, perseverence, and this +5 Claymore I found, anything is possible
random steppe
It is doable, it has like 25% more hp than the gaping dragon so it's not like it's completely out of your league, but his moveset is annoying
And it does a ton of damage
fresh bane
You can very easily lock him into doing the same moves everytime and taking the time he takes to recover to attack
After that it's just a matter of doing it over and over for like 3 minutes
river veldt
i fell down and he immediately attacked what the hell
random steppe
The little I remember, is that I stayed as close as possible to his butt all the time, since the explosion originates from his staff being behind him means you need to travel less to get out of the explosion radius
river veldt
do baths exist in Dark Souls
slim thorn
wait are we still talking about Asylum Demon or some other boss associated with it
river veldt
it's his brother
random steppe
Stray Demon, you meet if you go back there
slim thorn
ok
fresh bane
do baths exist in Dark Souls
Soap exists in Elden Ring
random steppe
Lots harder to kill, optional boss
river veldt
is there a better way down where i dont take a shit ton of fall damage
gaunt marten
No
sour hill
The spell that reduces fall damage, ig
fresh bane
There is, || if you use magic ||
river veldt
Miyazaki your vision sucks /j
gaunt marten
Blue dex is illegal
random steppe
lol
sour hill
Bro doesn't see the vision
random steppe
He does wear glasses
river veldt
I FUCKING DODGED
sour hill
How can you complain about a man's vision when you yourself can't even see?
fresh bane
the vision in question: poison swamps
river veldt
im going to bite my nintendo switch
sour hill
Chompers reference
river veldt
WHY DO HIS FRIENDS COME DOWN WITH ME
wait why did i respawn with only 6 estus flasks
fresh bane
Don't tilt in this game, the more frustrated you get the more you're going to fuck up at even the most basic things and you'll only get more mad
slim thorn
wait why did i respawn with only 6 estus flasks
non-kindled bonfire?
sour hill
wait why did i respawn with only 6 estus flasks
You're using a different bonfire
river veldt
i ran away from his dumbass magic attack and it still hurt me
please tell me i get something good if i beat this guy
sour hill
Using discord while having bad signal is a unique kind of psychological torture
sour hill
please tell me i get something good if i beat this guy
You get something good if you beat that guy
river veldt
is it like really good where it's worth the effort
sour hill
Idk man it's just a vidjagame
sour hill
You get something really truly good
river veldt
is it a Big Mac
river veldt
what if it was that would be funny
what if Miyazaki put a McDonald's in the next Dark Souls
and Grimace was the boss
sour hill
Grimace does seem like he'd be a boss
river veldt
what would his name be
sour hill
Grimace
river veldt
no like his title
river veldt
i like Lord of Flesh ๐ญ
i cant wait to play Elden Ring and meet the jar people
do they get mad at you if you smash not alive jars
sour hill
I don't think so. I actually haven't done jar guy's quest
river veldt
isn't there a whole jar village
river veldt
his name is Alexander ????
gaunt marten
Grimace the Joyous
fickle garnet
In his quest he gives you the ||jar helmet||
river veldt
Twitter
chilly mural
green fulcrum
Kingdom Hearts titles will always make me laugh
It's like the Attack on Titan of RPG titles.
slim thorn
these might be a must-buy even though I have them on console already
fresh bane
I have a strange relationship of love hatred with Kingdom Hearts
KH 1, CoM and 2 are legitimately some of the best games I've ever played, and I think some of the stuff that came after is really cool, but after KH2 I started to kind of hate it
slim thorn
tbf everyone agrees the period between 2 and 3 went on too long
would've been so much tighter as just KH1, CoM, 2, BBS, 3
fresh bane
And that's part of where the hate comes from, the progress from 1 to CoM and 2 was streamlined enough that I loved playing those games, but then the more I got into it the more I found out stuff like... KH Coded, a game for mobile phones from 2008 that has vital story details that will be relevant in the future
slim thorn
well, I also think people tend to exaggerate the importance of some of the side games between 2 and 3
BBS is essential, DDD I want to like but I do think it took a number of things too far but also you can't really skip it... but Coded? 358/2? I'm not sure skipping those would have any greater impact on 3 than "there's a few people I don't recognize in the big crowd of good guys"
river veldt
these might be a must-buy even though I have them on console already
i thought about pinging you but didn't
slim thorn
at least personally, if I do buy these and replay "the series" I'm definitely gonna be skipping some of the more tangential stuff this time around
probably... 1, CoM, 2, BBS, DDD, 0.3 because it's so short and I like Aqua, and 3
river veldt
maybe they could do actual Switch ports soon
fresh bane
Even if some of those games are skippable, in the sense that if you do skip them you can probably piece together any details with the information from later games, it just really bothers me on principle, just the fact that they do it at all bothers me greatly, I'm pretty sure Union X which was a browser online game had vital story details that would come up for KH3 and it's just insane to me
And that's without mentioning how infamous the jump from KH1 to 2 was where a lot of people didn't even know about CoM or thought it was just KH1 but for the GBA so they didn't bother with it
slim thorn
"vital" is still really overstating it
but these collections do include content from X
fresh bane
But even then, asides from that after 2 it just felt like it started becoming way too bloated and convoluted, more than it already was so I couldn't bother and I never did get around to DDD even though I thought some of the gameplay looked good
slim thorn
of course I agree the platform hopping did a lot to kill enthusiasm in the series, that's just a bad move and I'll never understood why so many different game franchises did that
for me DDD is the only specific KH game that really got too convoluted for its own good
river veldt
why is this franchise so complicated
slim thorn
usually it's the fun kind of convoluted where it sounds batshit insane if you try to summarize it but at any given moment while playing it's totally clear who's trying to smack who with a keyblade for what reasons
fresh bane
I guess CoM is the only one that really does truly have vital story details whereas the rest you can maybe figure it out but for me it's just the fact that any story details that are even somewhat important for later are included in a mobile game, or a web browser game, or a 3ds game that people didn't care enough about to the point that the collections now don't even include the game at all, just the cutscenes because it's the only thing worth seeing from that game
river veldt
Kingdom Hearts is good right
slim thorn
it's annoying, but the modern collections basically solve the problem, at least for current/new players
broadly speaking yes
if you want a long answer to that question it does get pretty long
river veldt
what is the lore reason for the Disney characters
fresh bane
They do, but until now you couldn't get the collections on pc so I never could get them, and also it still bothers me just on principle
but they do, and I'm glad they're available on pc now so people can get that without having to get a console
river veldt
if there's no in universe explanation for the Disney characters and worlds im gonna be pissed
slim thorn
most of the Kingdom Hearts games involve traveling between several different "worlds", and most of the "worlds" correspond to a single Disney movie
at a high level that's really it
fresh bane
More than one yes
slim thorn
the whole reason Donald and Goofy join you in the first game is because they're looking for King Mickey who went missing from their world (and turns out to have been tracking down the big bad)
river veldt
i thought you were saying there were multiple Sephiroths
fresh bane
Not just Sephiroth, Leon from FF8 is a pretty important character
river veldt
googles
slim thorn
yeah the KH continuity also has a Final Fantasy world as early as the first game, so you get several characters from that series popping up
fresh bane
Kingdom Hearts is literally just Disney x Final Fantasy so there's a couple FF characters around
river veldt
is Cloud in it ????
fresh bane
Maybe
slim thorn
Cloud's a boss fight
river veldt
Cloud's a boss fight
what !!!!!!
fresh bane
bold sonnet
Kingdom Hearts is literally just Disney x Final Fantasy so there's a couple FF c...
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river veldt
he's a good guy though
bold sonnet
Kingdom Hearts ๐๐
slim thorn
it's a complicated story, there are a number of good guy vs good guy fights
fresh bane
Get that man some more belts
bold sonnet
Kingdom Hearts is so good for me because they just say darkness and they don't explain and I nod
river veldt
lots of zippers and belts
slim thorn
the Sora vs Riku fights in KH1 are still some of the most memorable for me (I'm curious how well they hold up with everything I've played since...)
bold sonnet
Its very very good I recommend
fresh bane
I don't think I could personally go back to KH1 after 2
bold sonnet
They just make you think and don't explain anything I really like it because I'm not super smart
slim thorn
I never personally played the final mixes so there'd be a few things to make a replay interesting
yeah, the core story of KH has always been dead simple light side v dark side stuff so it's easy to follow even if you lose track of some of the details
bold sonnet
And they say darkness and I think ohh bad and community keeps thinking and I just think darkness
fresh bane
Weirdly there is some more morally gray stuff especially in KH2, at least that's how I read the story
slim thorn
see my favorite was when they said not darkness, but twilight and then twilighted all over everyone
bold sonnet
It's perfect if you don't want to or can't think very deep
fresh bane
I find the concept of || people without hearts doing something ''evil'' specifically because they want to have hearts like everyone else is interesting ||
slim thorn
or if you do, the details get plenty complicated if you're into that
bold sonnet
And there are also Disney princesses
slim thorn
yeah a lot of the drama of KH2 comes from the various characters of dubious alignment figuring out exactly how good or evil they actually are when push comes to shove
there's a reason the final boss is Xemnas, not Axel
bold sonnet
It's one of the best games if you don't try to think deep, they're the best
I really wait for KH4 in next 4 years
river veldt
are they making a Kingdom Hearts 4
slim thorn
I hope they actually start a new plot this time and let the whole Xehanort saga stay concluded
fresh bane
I still remember the insane laser blast show that the Xemnas fight was
slim thorn
back when QTEs were still cool
fresh bane
Yes, it's just pressing the triangle button, but it's so hype 
slim thorn
plus after all the drama with Riku in KH1 and CoM it was sooooo satisfying having him join you for those combo moves
river veldt
what the hell
bold sonnet
I still remember the insane laser blast show that the Xemnas fight was
That was the BEST in the world Nire
river veldt
why is Sora real now
slim thorn
Cap, why are you going out of your way to confuse yourself
it's a trailer, nobody has answers yet
fresh bane
plus after all the drama with Riku in KH1 and CoM it was sooooo satisfying havin...
I think the moment where Sora finally meets back with Riku in that game is one of the most memorable moments I had with a game and one of the few moments in games that made me cry
fresh bane
why is Sora real now
I will say, I don't enjoy the current artstyle that Final Fantasy and KH games have, but I feel like it's a losing battle to complain about it because arguing against fidelity nowadays is basically impossible
bold sonnet
I think the moment where Sora finally meets back with Riku in that game is one o...
I really really like this now
fresh bane
KH2 and Crisis Core probably have some of my favourite artstyles for these games that I think fits pretty well all around
river veldt
Cap, why are you going out of your way to confuse yourself <:ppenk:6818387456111...
i was just being silly
slim thorn
but I can see the polygons
bold sonnet
KH2 and Crisis Core probably have some of my favourite artstyles for these games...
Do you recommend Crisis Core to play for someone who played all KH but none FF?
fresh bane
reeee I can't see the characters' pores in their skin
fresh bane
Do you recommend Crisis Core to play for someone who played all KH but none FF?
Not really, I wouldn't recommend playing CC on its own let alone before FF7 original
dire gate
"Nintendo acquired Shiver, who ported games to Switch"
"What did they port"
"MK1"
"My expectation is low"
bold sonnet
Not really, I wouldn't recommend playing CC on its own let alone before FF7 orig...
I try to play FF7 I'm at 20%
fresh bane
The fact that MK1 even exists on the Switch is a miracle, I know that version sucks and looks legitimately terrible but that's because for some reason netherrealm decided to put that game on the switch even though it was a terrible idea from the start
bold sonnet
But it's silly on big screen, much better on handheld
bold sonnet
The fact that MK1 even exists on the Switch is a miracle, I know that version su...
And Witcher 3 is on switch too!
slim thorn
~~reeee I can't see the characters' pores in their skin~~
one of my favorite lines in a Jacob Geller video is "Use all that processing power, all those shaders and pixels and teraflops to do something other than pores on a sad man's skin."
dire gate
The fact that MK1 even exists on the Switch is a miracle, I know that version su...
Yeah I was mostly joking, they ported other games which look decent too
fresh bane
one of my favorite lines in a Jacob Geller video is "Use all that processing pow...
The sad part is, whenever a game that does try to do something else and does not have the same visual fidelity as the latest AAA games comes out, people complain because ''it looks like a ps2 game'' 
It reminds me of what the director of FF6 said, that a remake of FF6 on the same level as 7 remake would take like 20 years to finish and be twice as expensive, and it just makes me loudly think ''Hey, how about you DON'T do that then?''
river veldt
idk there are lots of games coming out that aren't the hi fidelity graphics or whatever and ive never seen people complain
bold sonnet
But Switch 2 is coming yes?
river veldt
idk what that has to do with what i said
fresh bane
idk there are lots of games coming out that aren't the hi fidelity graphics or w...
Dragon's Dogma 2, Infinite Wealth, Suicide Squad, FF7 Rebirth, Tekken 8, Helldivers 2, Rise of the Ronin are some of the bigger latest releases I remember off the top of my head so far from this year so far and they're all pretty high fidelity or straight up realistic when it comes to visuals, I think only Persona 3 Reload which was also a huge release had a different artstyle visually
But what I mean is more that, if a new FF game came out that looked like Crisis Core (obviously better, but with that more stylized artstyle) people would totally still complain, especially for any AAA release, but also companies wouldn't even do it in the first place either
river veldt
Hades 2 ?
fresh bane
Hades 2's developer isn't AAA
I'm also obviously not saying that all games coming out are like that either
I mentioned Persona 3 Reload (and also SMT5:V technically too which is coming out this year)
river veldt
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
fresh bane
I'm confused as to where the problem is, weren't you saying 'why is Sora real' earlier? because that's what I'm trying to express here
river veldt
idk i just dont really understand what you're saying ? like, originally you said that "whenever a game does try to do something different" it gets ridiculed without specifying AAA and so i guess i was just confused
fresh bane
Well, relative to the size and scale of the game yeah, an indie game isn't gonna get too much shit for it but if a game from a developer that's kind of big releases a game that doesn't look like the standard AAA release people do complain, that's why I mentioned the FF6 thing
Hell, Fromsoftware also catches some complaints from people when it comes to this too, I remember people would shit on DS3 for looking outdated and even Elden Ring had people complain too
random steppe
Souls games have great art direction which is why they look really good, but on the technical side are quite lacking
fresh bane
It is, but on a technical level it's behind other AAA games so there were people that complained about that, of course it doesn't matter because it has such a strong and good art direction and visual style but still
random steppe
Ultimately it's mostly the "gotcha" for people that were never going to play the game in the first place, so I don't think it matters that much
fresh bane
Even then, I think ER still looks great and I'm perfectly fine with games looking like this forever and don't feel it necessary to go even further in terms of fidelity, the jump from DS3 to E.R is pretty insane
fresh bane
I think it looks.... fine, it's definitely a bit behind but that's fine, especially when mid-gameplay you rarely notice anyways because you're not zooming in on the characters' textures and polygons
definitely looks a lot better when you're not zooming in on the low res textures (though it doesn't help DS3's case that it's also the one Souls games that gets criticized the most for having a boring art direction)
river veldt
waow