But then also, half of my games don't even have controller support. Steam input is just good for making keyboard/mouse only games playable on a controller. And the touch screen helps.
#general gaming
craggy vine
I even play lethal company on a controller
Though I think that does have controller support, but you need to bring up the keyboard to type sometimes
craggy vine
Huh... It seems, with this guy's FSR mods, I may even be able to mod frame generation into RDR2
harsh kestrel
The Steam Cloud issues came with even playing online
craggy vine
Ah
Well idk then. I don't use steam cloud.
This feels cursed
Oh ok
I don't think the fsr3 mod is quite working... This just looks super clear. It looks like high settings with tons of ray tracing
Ram is a huge issue I realize... Trying to get this working and I realized that I have 200mb system membory free and 0mb vram free
I think ram is the issue cause I turned ray tracing off and got the same fps
Wait this mod is also available for macos
I can get frame generation on my macbook
Omg yes frame generation is working
I have done it.. I have created a stable 30 fps experience with ray tracing on a handheld
It uses heavy upscaling and frame generation but, it does it. I can play on steam deck settings, using a mix of high medium and low, have ray tracing on, and it is playable.
Now I am only doing ray tracing on reflections, sun shadowsz, and local shadows though. Not everything is ray traced.
Will reach 50 fps but I will use a 30 fps cap.
craggy vine
For some reason there is no 30 fps cap with frame generation. Maybe it just caps the fps before frame generation.
craggy vine
I stand by my point of the rog ally needing 32gb of ram. My biggest performance limitation in cyberpunk is ram. Every now and then I'll go from 40 fps to 5 because I have fuck all ram
craggy vine
This DLSS fram gen to fsr3 frame gen doesn't seem to work the best... Had a few crashes that didn't seem to be for any particular reason.
Cyberpunk is really cool so far. The hacking feels like what watch dogs had.
little badger
proud warren
laughs in like, half the Nintendo IPs
bronze abyss
https://fxtwitter.com/bbcnews/status/1775822046489882749?
People like them polygons what can i say
craggy vine
More iconic then mario apparently
green fulcrum
https://fxtwitter.com/bbcnews/status/1775822046489882749?
Lolololololol, what complete nonsense. 
Mario has her beat by miles, it's not even funny. I would put more money on him, Master Chief, Doomguy, Sonic, Samus Aran, and Link than Lara Croft.
dire gate
Pikachu is also a "game character"
green fulcrum
Yes, f*cking PIKACHU is more iconic than Lara Croft.
And Luigi
And Princess Peach
And Bowser
And Eggman
And like...a million others.
SPYRO AND CRASH BANDICOOT.
proud warren
lmao no
Samus would like a word with her
they are the true 
for claiming that
shit wrong emote
whatever, sends the same vibe
dire gate
The list is literally a shitfest
Lara 1st, then Mario, then Agent 47 from Hitman, then Sonic
Then Sackboy from Little Big Planet then Pacman
Like what
proud warren
I'm happy about them acknowledging sackboy, but they shouldn't be that high on a list like that
dire gate
Fucking Shadowheart from BG3 in top 10, like that character isn't even a year old
"Iconic" my ass
proud warren
I feel BBC just did this to gain publicity, regardless on if their take is good or bad
dire gate
BBC? No it is done by BAFTA
proud warren
so... why make the list then?
dire gate
green fulcrum
Lara 1st, then Mario, then **Agent 47 from Hitman**, then Sonic
Agent 47? The guy who literally has no name and is designed to be so generic that people miss him in a crowd? The guy who's been in, what, 3 games total?
Bullshit he's third place. What is this drunkenness? BAFTA has to send me a bit of what they're smoking, so that I can forget every bit of stupidity emerging from them.
dire gate
To quote someone from twitter
"This list says Arthur Morgan is more iconic than Pikachu"
proud warren
Who tf is Arthur Morgan???
RDR2 iirc (haven't played it myself)
green fulcrum
How did Pac-Man, the guy who revolutionized gaming as a whole after Pong, not make it at least top 5?
What. Is. This? 
proud warren
people who submitted votes prolly just locked onto other characters first
"the future's now old man" /j
white phoenix
The original bafta twitter post announcing that this award was a thing had a ton of lara croft fans replying to it
Was there a fan vote? Might be because of that
proud warren
ah yes, Lara stans
white phoenix
Yeah it was posted here an we had a brief convo about iconic video game characters
proud warren
welp, we're reigniting that convo i guess 
green fulcrum
But this shouldn't have been a poll, damn it. It's ranking characters by how iconic they are, and by that merit should rank them by how much influence they have in the world and how many contributions they had to gaming as a whole.
Lara Croft had barely any contributions besides being a female lead (which was already preceded by Samus Aran anyway so that removes half the prestige), and Agent 47 had even less than that.
A f*cking poll on Twitter shouldn't decide this. Where is the professionalism?
proud warren
some of the characters like Arthur Morgan I can see why they'd be decently high, but they're not "iconic" like Mario & Sonic
dire gate
The full list for those who don't want to even click the result:
1.Lara Croft (Tomb Raider) - 2.Mario (Super Mario) - 3.Agent 47 (Hitman) - 4.Sonic (Sonic) - 5.Sackboy (LittleBigPlanet)
6.Pac-man (Pac-man) - 7.Link (Legend of Zelda) - 8.Master Chief (HALO) - 9.Kratos (God of War) - 10.Shadowheart (Baldur's Gate 3)
11.Arthur Morgan (Read Dead Redemption 2) - 12.Pikachu (Pokemon) - 13.Steve (Minecraft) - 14.Solid Snake (Metal Gear Solid) - 15.Crash Bandicoot (Crash Bandicoot)
16.Cloud Strife (Final Fantasy VII) - 17.Astarion (Baldur's Gate 3) - 18.Kazuma Kiryu (Yakuza) - 19.Ellie Williams (The Last of Us) - 20.Nathan Drake (Uncharted)
2 Baldur's Gate 3 characters
proud warren
yea, those feel like poll answers alright
white phoenix
Here's the post https://x.com/baftagames/status/1760650653720871342?s=46
Twitter
Just look at the replies 
Where did these people come from
green fulcrum
Like, no joke, I bet you that 99% of gamers didn't even know this poll was happening, which means it was rigged from the start.
I know this is a silly hill to die on but damn it it's stealing credit from the people who earned it.
dire gate
Oh btw do you know how many voted?
and over 4,000 players from around the world engaged with the official BAFTA poll.
Roughly 4k
green fulcrum
Don't tell me, a few thousand.
YUP
F*cking 4000. And they call this a global poll.
proud warren
it'd be funny if they did a recount now that everyone seems to be replying, and for half of the roster from the first poll to not even show up 
dire gate
Honestly, Lara Croft? It should be somewhere around there, sure
green fulcrum
Ignore this. Ignore this entire list. It's massively flawed data farmed from bots and run by lazy people.
white phoenix
Most likely british biased because more people from uk knows about it
white phoenix
Yeah that's british too, stephen fry was in it
dire gate
I'm not bashing the game but Sackboy can barely even count as "iconic"
green fulcrum
Professor Layton is British and more iconic than Lara Croft.
craggy vine
Why are 2 buldur's gate 3 characters on there
Like who even are they
They are not iconic at all
white phoenix
As much as I'm stoked for sackboy getting this recognition, being above pacman and link is wild
dire gate
Also from outsider's view, from who didn't play BG3, Astarion ok I can maybe understand like a tiny bit
I see him a lot
like a lot
green fulcrum
Like I said, what is this drunkenness?
proud warren
also doesn't help that this was posted on a dying/dead website
dire gate
Who is Shadowheart???
Astarion is like
The only character I can think of from the game, as a non-player
bronze abyss
The full list for those who don't want to even click the result:
1.Lara Croft (T...
what the fuck is this list 
like no one who doesnt play video games knows of ellie or nathan or all the baldurs gate character or sackboy
craggy vine
This image looks so stupid. Weird photoshopped mess. And what is with the pikachu.
white phoenix
Professor Layton is British and more iconic than Lara Croft.
That's kinda pushing it lol
green fulcrum
Like, I'll freely admit, I'm salty, but I'm also just laughing my ass off right now too even as I type this. This entire list is garbage.
bronze abyss
who knew that journalists are kinda out of touch and shit with video games 🤯
green fulcrum
Steve. How is STEVE FROM MINECRAFT not in top 5???
minor plover
Lara Croft is most iconic if you were a horny teenager when the game first came out I guess
green fulcrum
He is everywhere!
white phoenix
who knew that journalists are kinda out of touch and shit with video games 🤯
It was based on an audience poll
dire gate
Honestly?
craggy vine
Herobrine is iconic
bronze abyss
Lara Croft is most iconic if you were a horny teenager when the game first came ...
4 polygons 😳 😳 😳
dire gate
Sans Undertale is really hated by many but he should be considered very iconic
green fulcrum
It was based on an audience poll
Of 4000 people, most of whom were likely bots
bronze abyss
It was based on an audience poll
then they are shit and out of touch aswell
white phoenix
Lol yeah
bronze abyss
could sign up for IGN or some shit,great opportunity and portfolio for them
minor plover
4 polygons 😳 😳 😳
Very pointy
proud warren
once more, this was a poll announced on a dead website
white phoenix
Of 4000 people, most of whom were likely bots
The replies to the post just elude me though
proud warren
no wonder it's bot filled
craggy vine
once more, this was a poll announced on a dead website
ooh okay
green fulcrum
Random people on the street?
Bots. It was shown to Twitter bots.
dire gate
Fun fact, BAFTA was the only major game awards that didn't choose BOTW as the game of the year
Instead it gave game of the year award to What Remains of Edith Finch
green fulcrum
Tf is that?
craggy vine
I haven't heard of that game I admit
craggy vine
But yeah breath of the wild should be one of the top games
green fulcrum
What's it about?
white phoenix
proud warren
once more, I love that game, but I struggle saying it's GOTY worthy
green fulcrum
At least that one is kinda understanable and noteworthy, but still nowhere near GOTY.
proud warren
2022 was *Returnal*
craggy vine
I always find it funny when a game is called a 'shoot em up'. It just sounds so odd and old school
proud warren
what's that game?
green fulcrum
It was some big budget scifi thing that got praise and a few players for like a week and then dropped off the face of the Earth.
craggy vine
Wait I thought Rift Apart was 2023
dire gate
Rift Apart was released June 2021
craggy vine
Huh wow. I mean I guess I was completely out of touch of gaming until this year.
dire gate
It recieved a delayed port to PC
proud warren
it seems like BAFTA just looks at 1 game being praised at a singular point in the year, decide right then and there "this is it, this is gonna be GOTY" even if they didn't play the game, and just ran with that idea
craggy vine
It recieved a delayed port to PC
ooh that could be why too, I didn't see it until then
dire gate
Yeah it was ported to PC in 2023
craggy vine
Ah that makes sense then. I tend to completely miss when games release exclusively on a console.
proud warren
t'was a big name product of the time
but like, without any dlc? Destiny was pretty ass, ngl
dire gate
Yeaaaah....2014 had DA:Inquisition and Dark Souls 2
And Shadow of Mordor if you want to count that too
proud warren
I'mma just... not acknowledge BAFTA like, at all now
green fulcrum
Don't tell me, BG3 lost?
green fulcrum
Pfffft
dire gate
I'd be extremely shocked if DAVE THE DIVER wins
dire gate
But then also they chose Vampire Survivors over Stray, GoW Ragnarok, and Elden Ring
Soooo...plausible
green fulcrum
Yeah, Vampire Survivors over Elden Ring is......... certainly a choice, lol.
proud warren
"we're not like other game awards"
hushed onyx
F*cking 4000. And they call this a global poll.
4000 responses, if collected properly, will provide a very accurate view of what people think. This probably wasn’t collected accurately, but it’s also a silly poll about video game characters.
Anyway I’m baffled that no one here seems to think Lara Croft is “iconic,” whatever that means. I don’t know if I would put her as “the most iconic” if for no other reason than I don’t think you can meaningfully rank “iconicity” except in a broad and not that useful sense, but she seems pretty iconic and well-known to me.
Maybe not Mario level but pretty up there.
thorny loom
Who tf is Arthur Morgan???
Arthur actually is a really good character
quiet swift
Anyway I’m baffled that no one here seems to think Lara Croft is “iconic,” whate...
I'm pretty sure in this channel it's a case of mocking the "most" part of this award. She's absolutely recognizable and iconic but if you have fucking Mario in those pictures and that poll, then that poll is 100% wrong
sour hill
Arthur actually is a really good character
Amazing protagonist
heady bridge
Thing to remember with that vote was it was done by BAFTA here in the UK. Nintendo didn’t really have a significant foothold here until later in the life of the SNES, and Lara being canonically British and originally from a British studio would skew the results
Also only 4,000 people took the poll which is a pretty small sample size
harsh kestrel
Honestly, the only game related shows people give a damn about these days are the ones where new games and whatnot are announced. If there's none of that, there's no reason to give a fuck lol
heady bridge
Sonic was way bigger than Mario ever was in the UK though (source: I was a kid in the 90s here). The Master System and Mega Drive were much bigger hits than the SNES and especially the NES were, almost exclusively down to price and really, home computers like the Commodore 64, ZX Spectrum, Amstrad CPC and later on the Atari ST and Commodore Amiga were also pretty popular here which meant Nintendo had to fight much harder for market share here
thorny loom
Twitter
hushed onyx
Also only 4,000 people took the poll which is a pretty small sample size
4000 people is an enormous sample size, if you select them properly. If you don’t, you could have 100 000 respondents and it would not work well.
unreal idol
The full list for those who don't want to even click the result:
1.Lara Croft (T...
Lmao wtf
Lara Croft first wtf ????
Any random schmuck on the street will probably recognize "mario = video games" but Lara Croft being the most iconic? Lol
gaunt marten
My aunt like Lara Croft
minor plover
Anyway I’m baffled that no one here seems to think Lara Croft is “iconic,” whate...
Lara Croft is iconic enough that I know the character in spite of never playing the games, but like ... Mario. Sonic. Pikachu. Link. Steve.
quartz pawn
can we get a pirate game where we just yarr harr video games online?
green fulcrum
https://www.pcgamer.com/games/rpg/flint-treasure-of-oblivion-announcement/
Interesting...
little badger
craggy vine
I posted this in another server first but... Idk if I like cyberpunk honestly. It seems super edgy for the sake of being edgy, the story is hard to follow and you have a ton of stuff thrown at you straight up to try and understand. Not much understanding of your character's background while other characters keep mentioning it. And the first boss in the game is an absolute bullet sponge. And for the way the game looks... I guess it is good on a technical level, but the style isn't doing anything to captivate me honestly. It is a pretty bland looking city and the visuals are just often dark.
Idk if I should refund it or keep trying to enjoy it
gaunt marten
Refund is a fine idea
quiet swift
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrYxxL2XRnk ah, a short gameplay trailer
rancid herald
I wish they'd drop the kickstarter
craggy vine
Wtf the movie abigail has the dentist from payday 2
rancid herald
it feels like they've been talking about this game forever
craggy vine
I saw him in the trailer and I'm like omg
harsh kestrel
Does anyone here know the YouTuber A+ Start and the series they make called Son Of A Glitch?
bronze abyss
Does anyone here know the YouTuber A+ Start and the series they make called Son ...
been watching them since like 2015
quiet swift
it feels like they've been talking about this game forever
Right? Their discord occasionally does pings but it's just minor news or minor videos, not really much progress updates
bronze abyss
wait his channel is gone?
oh shit i just checked the twitter thats pretty damn sad
basically he fell for a fake sponsorship and his channel got yoinked as far as i understand
craggy vine
Oh damn.
bronze abyss
its really sad cuz hes a great guy tbh,just been consistently putting out quality content for many years never was in controversy or had a bad word thrown towards him
craggy vine
Yeah his videos were good
thorny loom
Twitter
Tl:dr. You can react to banned user vods but you cant have them as guests on your streams
So if you wanna watch a meme video of dr disrepect on stream now you can
wind stump
sick time to binge alex jones videos
harsh kestrel
been watching them since like 2015
I decided to look into a video that Shesez just posted regarding an update on an apparent SOS video he had made a few months back, and well, I didn't even get far into that video at all before I saw one of the comments down below the video talking about how A+ Start, the guy that makes Son Of A Glitch, got his channel hacked, and now the channel is currently gone, and my guess is he's fighting for it back, and it's like... Man, something's gotta give and YouTube needs to do something here. This is just ridiculous to say the least
(Still left the details about A+ Start in for anyone who doesn't know who they are lol)
wind stump
i overflowed the fucking money count
proud warren
<:HEFSAmeWheeze:963455343998935161> i overflowed the fucking money count
mmm, my favorite kind of bonus earnings; debt
bronze abyss
<:HEFSAmeWheeze:963455343998935161> i overflowed the fucking money count
banger game
iirc its learn to fly 3?
quiet swift
gaunt marten
Why?
bold sonnet
Every Thursday I add and then remove spying stuff with an app
chilly mural
bold sonnet
I'm so upset about bad ending of a game
gaunt marten
Wanna talk about it?
bold sonnet
Yes
gaunt marten
What game is it?
bold sonnet
I have no one to talk about with
No one played it
Witcher 3 and I really really didn't think it will end bad
gaunt marten
Oh yeah, there are multiple endings
bold sonnet
I spent last hour being sad and googling and I was a step away from not sad ending
But i cant load or do anything
It's just what it is I made bad mistakes
And all the time I thought I did well
But i am stupid and I made a mistake
gaunt marten
Ah well
bold sonnet
But i didn't know it will be like that
gaunt marten
Yeah. The consequences of your actions are not telegraphed well enough. You can't really tell that this specific action is what leads to that specific ending.
gaunt marten
And with there being thirty six combinations of endings it's not fun to navigate
bold sonnet
I feel so freaking sad it's like I don't want to play two DLCs that people love
Because I messed up the most important thing and I didn't even know
gaunt marten
I think the best thing to do about this is to try again
bold sonnet
And what, to play more milion hours to play after reading Google?
It's been so long and I messed up
I have time, but I just feel in my heart that I did this
gaunt marten
I see
bold sonnet
I feel fault and i know it's a game but I don't know
I think I will play once again but after some time
I feel emotions strong and right now I feel it's my fault
gaunt marten
I definitely recommend treating the expansions as their own separate stories
slim thorn
the good news is the expansions really are separate and "don't care" what your main game ending was
and most of the difference is in the final cutscene, so just watching them on youtube is about the same experience anyway
slim thorn
I mean, I played Witcher 3 to the end, and I watched the other endings on youtube, and then I played the DLCs
only you can speak to your own state of mind and how that interacts with fictional stories
bold sonnet
I think I did well I really did
I'm going to watch now. Thank you very much and I'm sorry
gaunt marten
Good luck
slim thorn
Witcher 2 definitely handles the choices and endings better overall
harsh kestrel
Vashka: talks about this
Me: sees mods
I hear boss music lol
gaunt marten
Mods are people too
harsh kestrel
So are nematodes lol
rugged flax
dang nematodes
craggy vine
Wait the dating sim with rainbow dash is on steam
Oh it might actually be more then what I saw in the mobile games
harsh kestrel
dang nematodes
"Thirsty thirsty thiiiirsty"
Lol
wind stump
craggy vine
Hey I remember that game
wind stump
i think there was already a Miku mod
but this is Real-Ass DLC complete with custom music
little badger
dire gate
arctic fern
Can't host online services forever
But there should be a requirement to be able to host things privately
dire gate
lived long enough to see a generation of consoles online service shutdown
You weren't there when DS&Wii officially cut their WiFi support?
It's like, just 10 years ago
It's actually almost exactly 10 years ago, just a month shy
little badger
Can't host online services forever
But there should be a requirement to be able ...
A group of people brought Halo 2 back on the original Xbox back up
harsh kestrel
Now game preservation and/or piracy is gonna explode soon once again
harsh kestrel
Another Star Wars game
sees Ubisoft
Okay, I'm afraid lol
thorny loom
In fairness. This is honestly the best looking star wars game in a while.
Inb4 its far cry 3 but with star wars
white phoenix
From what it looks like from the trailers it looks like rdr star wars
graceful bridge
In celebration of the upcoming premiere of the Amazon Original series Fallout streaming on Prime Video, Prime Gaming will offer Fallout 76 to members on both Xbox and PC when the series premieres on April 11.
Code will be for the Microsoft Store.
visual hill
https://fxtwitter.com/wario64/status/1776240607570133051?
in one week, Pretendo will do what Nintendon't
little badger
FM3 used to be one of my favurite games ever
Wow that came out in Japan in 1999 and the rest of the world in 2000 I feel old
gaunt marten
Bought this game earlier.
It doesn't look like much but I like it a lot
It's got tons of polish, and it's complex enough to keep me engaged
gaunt marten
Yeah I'm thinking of getting a refund so I can buy it on Android
river veldt
im building a house in Skyrim
gaunt marten
Why?
gaunt marten
How does it compare to the Breath of the Wild house?
river veldt
BotW house is only ok
i like it for rp purposes but that's about it ime
TotK house was way better
gaunt marten
What's the difference?
gaunt marten
What do you do with the rooms?
river veldt
there's the weapon racks rooms, gallery where you can put up pictures taken on your Purah Pad, kitchen, blessing room with a Goddess Statue, bedroom, and a paddock for horsies
those are the useful ones the others are just stairs and stuff like that
harsh kestrel
Sorry, just, at this point, seeing Ubisoft on anything nowadays gives me the heebie-jeebies in terms of how the game is gonna turn out. Especially after one of their guys said "Don't get used to owning what you buy" followed by the trainwreck that was Skull And Bones
gaunt marten
I see
harsh kestrel
The only thing right now I really have confidence in them having on their platform that's good is XDefiant lol
little badger
harsh kestrel
It may be a blessing in disguise. You never know
harsh kestrel
The whole industry has been chaos since the layoff crap has started
strong nova
Layoffs? I'm out of touch with gaming news. What's happening?
harsh kestrel
Layoffs have been happening at basically every major company in the industry since some time last year, and have gotten significantly more frequent this year, affecting thousands of people and their livelihoods
strong nova
Ouch, that's so horrible. I wonder what's causing this all of a sudden aside from the usual corporate greed. A sad time to be working in the industry.
gaunt marten
The layoffs are caused by companies overextending during covid times and hiring a lot of people, gambling on a boom they can use to pay off the increased costs
strong nova
Oh ok, I understand now. Gambling so rarely leads to any good results so you'd think less people would try it. Especially when peoples lives are at risk if your gambling doesn't pay off, like it doesn't 99.99% of the time.
harsh kestrel
It's not just the gaming industry either. It's just in general. Over hiring lead to this. To an extent, even my own job is affected. I get to keep it, but I've been told they can't be as flexible with my hours as they were in early 2022 when I started, because we're getting back to pre pandemic hours and employee numbers
slim thorn
it's unfortunately a more cynical and long-running trend than just the recent covid bubble, there's a bunch of companies that "intentionally overexpand" as a way of manipulating investor sentiment during hype bubbles
strong nova
It's strange to see how some companies just boomed during covid and others couldn't keep running because of the lockdowns and financial pressures.
slim thorn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-653Z1val8s goes into more detail about this and to what extent various gaming companies are pursuing this strategy and which ones are actually in trouble
gaunt marten
That's true. It is a long term trend, but the recent layoffs are seen as a direct result of covid time overexpansion
slim thorn
yeah, this latest cycle of it has been obvious to everyone, even if the causes are hard to clearly identify from the outside
harsh kestrel
They boomed during the pandemic because everyone was inside with nothing else better to do for a while. Now that everyone is able to get out again with the virus under control, not to mention not being straight up afraid to go out in general, yeah, there's gonna be financial fall offs
strong nova
The industry I work in was under a lot of strain during covid. Things seem to be better now covid is 'over'.
bronze abyss
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-653Z1val8s goes into more detail about this and...
isnt this the same guy who got told off by karl jobst for not doing his research well or presenting a concrete argument?
like fair enough if he took the criticism and changed,but id be a bit sceptical about his videos
slim thorn
I'm not familiar with this particular drama, but this channel's videos have consistently had tons of research and extremely concrete arguments
harsh kestrel
The industry I work in was under a lot of strain during covid. Things seem to be...
What industry if I may ask?
strong nova
I'm a bit funny about giving out too personal info, but it's medical so you can only imagine the hoops we had to jump through at the height of covid
harsh kestrel
Also, yeah, the gaming industry will never crash like it did in 1983. There's a lot of Ls being taken, but there's still a lot of good content still being put out there
harsh kestrel
I'm a bit funny about giving out too personal info, but it's medical so you can ...
That had to be nothing short of hell on Earth in every possible way
slim thorn
modern games also have a far larger and more diverse audience than they did in the 80s
quiet swift
Layoffs? I'm out of touch with gaming news. What's happening?
2023 had about 10 or 12k layoffs across the gaming industry. 2024's 4 months in and we're at like 6000+
slim thorn
even if chunks of it might collapse, the whole thing's not gonna go under; it's like how one big movie studio could go bankrupt but we're not gonna stop making movies, too many people are paying to watch them these days
harsh kestrel
I'm a bit funny about giving out too personal info, but it's medical so you can ...
At that point, that would be a valid argument for medical personnel to be paid as much as most pro athletes at the top get paid, because while the pro athletes are risking their bodies, medical staff were risking their lives
gaunt marten
Pro athletes don't get paid highly because of the risks
They get paid almost entirely based on hype
quiet swift
It's because of the brands plastered on their uniforms~
strong nova
What if we all chipped in to get this Discord server's link plastered on the uniform of a random sports team?
harsh kestrel
even if chunks of it might collapse, the whole thing's not gonna go under; it's ...
Out with the bullshit, in with the quality if you ask me. I can guarantee that's one of the reasons that Toys For Bob went indie. More freedom, they can make their ideas into reality without being controlled and told no, and they aren't crunch timed into oblivion and forced to release half baked garbage to meet a ridiculous deadline
quiet swift
I mean. They were bought so the people with the money can legitimately tell them what to do. It's unfortunate that they were forced into the mines pits Modern Warfare grind until they recently managed to free themselves
slim thorn
well, being able to pay the bills and "quality" are not always the same thing
quiet swift
Rather than stuff they're good at, like Spyro & co
slim thorn
the indie space is certainly a lot healthier for people like us looking to just buy a game and play it for its gameplay, but there are so many competing indies nowadays that even great indies can just die from insufficient exposure or an equally great indie getting more of the hype
just today someone in this server told me they'd never heard of Ender Lilies
harsh kestrel
We may not all fully understand how the industry works, but at the same time, we do deserve quality out of the stuff we pay for, whether it be AAA or indie. They have to make money to stay around, but we all know how much that's pushed these days
slim thorn
and I've been meaning to play Citizen Sleeper for almost a year now and keep feeling like something else instead
visual hill
yeah, it's sometimes said that AAA "has" to make unimaginative games because studios can't bet livelihoods of their workers on a game that may not please everyone
(whether this is a good idea is debatable, but it's an opinion that exists)
slim thorn
mm-hmm, that is the downside of going for big budgets and mass appeal, statistically you just have to play it safer in some ways
harsh kestrel
The hell of it is, they don't end up pleasing everyone anyway. They just usually end up rushing the product out and pissing off everyone lol
slim thorn
(you can vary around which ways you play it safe, e.g. having a famous creative personality on the project can let you get away with the content being more out there)
visual hill
some recent AAA releases showed that trying to please everyone can mean pleasing no one 🙂
harsh kestrel
Star Wars Battlefront Classic Collection
slim thorn
indeed, another reason indies are "healthier" is they're much more inclined to present themselves accurately, find their target audience, and not dilute themselves trying to please people who fundamentally don't like that kind of game in the first place
which is a lot more feasible today than it was in the 90s when I was first getting into gaming
random steppe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-653Z1val8s goes into more detail about this and...
Ok so, before I watch this I want to guess and see if the video then agrees with me.
My guess is that, with the industry shrinking a bit aftet the pandemic, the snag is that the fiduciary duties of the companies to provide shareholders returns, led them to cut costs instead in order to match the necessary growth.
The easier cost to cut, is non essential employees.
harsh kestrel
I think we can all agree that the predatory levels of monetization is still a toxic thing about the industry. Especially with games that reset every year
unreal idol
The entire situation is sad and deplorable
I expect to see big shakeup in the entertainment world
slim thorn
Ok so, before I watch this I want to guess and see if the video then agrees with...
actually, the main point of the video is that that's the surface-level analysis which usually misses the deeper issue: that half the time these overextensions and reactionary layoffs are being done on purpose to manipulate investor sentiment (though not always successfully)
most of the runtime is details, evidence, examples, etc
quiet swift
LINE MUST GO UP
unreal idol
When we see games like BG3 and Helldivers 2, and films like Godzilla Minus One, absolutely demolish so called "AAAAAA" trash
unreal idol
What makes BG3 unique?
harsh kestrel
I still personally care about quality over quantity. It's just a shame that the giants just don't. You'll never be able to please everyone. Even if you do take risks with the game. You can listen to community feedback, something lacking in a lot of publishers, and see what people in the vast majority want
slim thorn
yeah, we've all heard why specifically BG3 is not repeatable, which is broadly true
unreal idol
I haven't
slim thorn
but Larian's prior work in the genre like D:OS is the sort of thing lots of indies can do
oh
I'll let Gen summarize it
random steppe
The fact that it's a company that could afford to spend 2 years in early access polishing the game, after building a very dedicated community in a nichè genre
unreal idol
I've literally never played it or kept up with it beyond knowing that it was an indie game that was high quality and everyone loved
unreal idol
The fact that it's a company that could afford to spend 2 years in early access ...
Huh. Interesting
quiet swift
They also mostly financed it themselves rather than rely on WOTC aaand hasbro nuked the group that worked with Larian to make BG3
quiet swift
Hasbro owns wizards of the coast
random steppe
Like, the spent years and a lot of time and talent to set themselves as the best in the a non very popular genre.
Then got the D&D license and pulled all the stops and a few miracles translating that nichè genre into the mainstream
That's insane
harsh kestrel
One reason why I think I can have hope in XDefiant despite Ubisoft being the publisher is, I think for once, they're having patience with these guys, they're letting them work at their own pace, iron out as many bugs and problems as possible, letting them be vocal with the community about what they've been doing, and even letting them listen to community feedback. After all the recent fails from Ubisoft, I've felt like that's the one thing they're doing correctly
quiet swift
Aah. It seems Hasbro was mostly hands-off ish and left it to the WOTC team but then I dunno why (probably shareholder garbage) they got rid of the wotc team after BG3's release, so after the massive success
visual hill
Ubisoft can do pretty good stuff when they want to, see Prince of Persia or even Trackmania
unreal idol
TIL Hasbro/WOTC were involved(?) With BG3
slim thorn
PK: specifically, Larian Studios released Divinity: Original Sin 1 and 2 in 2014 and 2017
random steppe
I mean they had to be right? It's their property
visual hill
Trackmania's business model is controversial for sure, but at least it eschews MTX and they've done good support for the game in 3+ years
slim thorn
Baldur's Gate 3 is basically the same genre and came out in 2023
it was an indie dev rising up to near-AAA-ness after multiple successes
unreal idol
I mean they had to be right? It's their property
I did not know this
quiet swift
Here we go. Habsro being a typical tech company and laid off 1100 folk. That particular team was just in the crossfire
unreal idol
Oh
When people kept describing it as DnD I thought they were using it as short hand
Not that it's literally D&D
random steppe
No it's literally an official D&D setting
unreal idol
Huh. til
slim thorn
ah, nope, BG3 is literally D&D, while D:OS1 & 2 are an original setting
BG1-2 were also literal D&D though those are far older games
harsh kestrel
Sure, they've had to push back the game multiple times, even having to do it again lately, where I'd expect it to be out potentially by summertime if all goes right when they do their next play test, but honestly, I'd rather wait for something good and have a good time than for it to come out unfinished, be hated, criticized, and then moved on and forgotten about
random steppe
It uses D&D 5th edition translated into videogame formats
river veldt
i didnt even know dos was dnd
slim thorn
I think you misread something?
random steppe
You can literally bring the builds from the paper version and will largely work the same in the game
quiet swift
harsh kestrel
So they're basically getting rid of a lot of people from the company that made Magic The Gathering among other things. Alright then
quiet swift
Neverwinter Nights, Icewind Dale, also are D&D
slim thorn
but yeah, in the proper context, BG3 was a classic franchise that shaped its genre decades ago being brought back and put in the hands of an indie developer who'd just built up a fanbase making games extremely similar to BG1-2; they knew what they were doing and the hype could not have been higher
even in a highly cynical framing, you might say it was the correct way to do nostalgia-based marketing
unreal idol
Interesting
river veldt
reading the Adventure Zone graphic novels is strange because they had to change a lot of names because they're Hasbro copyrighted
slim thorn
to be clear, I've never played any of the BGs or D:OSs or anything else in this genre
unreal idol
Well time to get off work. I hope tonight is better
random steppe
WotC seems to be taking interest in the old art in shooting themselves in the foot repeatedly for a while now
quiet swift
I would highly recommend DOS2 if you enjoyed BG3. You can see where a lot of the DNA came from
slim thorn
I'm aware of it because a) people wouldn't shut up about BG3 when it was new 
, and b) BG is a huge enough piece of gaming history that it bumps into several things I do care about, such as c) me being a huge fan of the old Planescape: Torment and the far newer Disco Elysium
also d) I watch a lot of video essays about games I can't enjoy playing myself
quiet swift
Also in the server I would say @green fulcrum is the one to ask about CRPGs
random steppe
Them laying off the team that made possible one of their best successes in years, maybe ever, doesn't even surprise me at this point
quiet swift
It's almost guaranteed to be bean counters just checking employees in an excel file, seeing who is paid a lot, and getting rid of them because they're the most expensive
true maple
Sure, they've had to push back the game multiple times, even having to do it aga...
I dunno, I've been playing a lot of No Man's Sky lately and there was just a big update last week. Game's pretty solid now.
quiet swift
That's seemingly what has happened at Bioware
river veldt
It's almost guaranteed to be bean counters just checking employees in an excel f...
"bean counters" ok Cave Johnson
slim thorn
one of the weirdest things about being into gaming for multiple decades is seeing companies like EA, Ubisoft and Bioware go from genuine innovators whose mere name on a game was reason to be hyped about it (not unlike many of today's indie companies), to... whatever they are today
quiet swift
"bean counters" ok Cave Johnson
slim thorn
I'm not sure how to feel about it, but mostly my attachment to specific game dev/publisher names has just shifted to other names
random steppe
To be fair, the last 2 things they put out seems to be pretty good
slim thorn
Bioware?
random steppe
No Ubisoft
slim thorn
oh right the new PoP
harsh kestrel
I dunno, I've been playing a lot of No Man's Sky lately and there was just a big...
I was talking about XDefiant lol
random steppe
And the Avatar game is reportedly very good
slim thorn
really sucks I can't play that
random steppe
I will eventually get to the new POP
slim thorn
oh right, I was aware of Avatar but mostly ignore open world AAAs anyway
yeah, I'm sure I will eventually, just not sure what form it'll be in since I want to avoid the always-on nonsense
quiet swift
The most recent releases
random steppe
Ok not Skull and Bones
slim thorn
oh right, "last 2 were good" has to ignore Skull and Bones lol
random steppe
I forgot about that
random steppe
To be fair tho, one thing you can't take away from Ubisoft
The are ride or die with their games
You fucking bet they'll be supporting Skull and Bones for a long time, even if it seems like it's pretty trash
All their sport franchises none ever asked are supported for a worringly long time.
Rainbow Six Siege, For Honor released like 7 years ago and is still going, with new content
And that's a soild 7/10 at best
They just don't stop
slim thorn
I wonder if that's related to their apparent inertia in game design
quiet swift
The are ride or die with their games
BG&E 2 is still not cancelled
harsh kestrel
Assassin's Creed started getting almost like COD or the various sports games. Just release after release every year with no time for change, polish, or innovation
little badger
fresh bane
Ultra Rare Apple W...?
Something tells me it's too good to be true though
last night I managed to actually finish an operation in helldivers without the game crashing constantly, I love that by the end of it all me and my entire party just looked like this 
unreal idol
@river veldt look what i did to this poor spike buzzy
as i was falling, i used yoshi's tongue, hit the second buzzy, but before yoshi could eat him, i got hit by the first one so now the second one is just stuck going in a circle
unreal idol
thx
craggy vine
Is there still time for this? I could do it for my 3ds and wii u. Though I just don't know why they want to archieve it yet.
craggy vine
Ok cool. I'm just confused on why it is so important to get it, other then before the date of course
Perhaps
Just feels like it is trying to backup personal streetpass data is all
I suppose there is also that old community thing on those consoles but I never used that
Miiverse or something
little badger
dire gate
"end to live service shutdown" honestly sounds more like "end to live service"
quiet swift
Never gonna happen unless laws are passed. Generally too profitable if they're done well - (cough not suicide squad cough)
craggy vine
Recently the crew got completely unlisted from steam. You can't play it anymore. Idk if it would even work pirated because it required an active connection to servers. So the game is just gone now.
And it isn't even a multiplayer experience for the most part
The game can be completely singeplayer
I think it is a big part of what is sparking this
quiet swift
A few pundits have brought up KO City as an example of how to do it. The devs went out of their way to make a private server version of the game available. It still doesn't really see a lot of play but the fact they did that is awesome
craggy vine
Yeah. Just to keep older games at least playable offline is good.
Or require self hosting. Like if TF2s servers went down we still have community servers
light gate
https://fxtwitter.com/pcgamer/status/1776385988593344667?
As much as I want this, It’ll go nowhere in the U.S.
Also it is ridiculous how I had to agree towards an EULA to play a single player game on PS5. When purchasing a physical disc, you already agree towards a license agreement even though a disc is a physical good.
Its just such a bunch of lawyer and abuse of power over consumer rights.
I understand ‘Games as a Service’ restrictions and complexity of hosting, but it does not excuse the prevention of releasing dedicated server software upon ‘closure’.
And I say this knowing that some games do have some really cursed server hosting methods.
hidden elbow
i like how this screenshot turned out
craggy vine
Epic
quiet swift
rare garden
why is The One Who Waits oddly cute?
literal god of death and eldritch being
Aww he cyute
thorny loom
why is The One Who Waits oddly cute?
He should meet the one who knocks
wind stump
oh nice.
quiet swift
Do you have the sin DLC? 
wind stump
harsh kestrel
Most publishers want the old games shut down and don't want them preserved so they can move to the next ones. There's a grocery list in terms of names for that one
wind stump
"I wonder what Ascend Follower does-"
yeets cult member into the ceiling, bones rain down
"Oh. 
"
slim thorn
why lol
little badger
slim thorn
none of these are genres I'm into, but: this feels like a game I've seen several times before except now you're a duck? what's the point?
random steppe
I mean if the Crab Dark Souls can work, so does Duck Survival
river veldt
unitled duck game
green fulcrum
none of these are genres I'm into, but: this feels like a game I've seen several...
Because hjönk.
slim thorn
I guess after Palworld I feel like we've done the silly version of this already
quiet swift
Because why the hell not
When we have https://store.steampowered.com/app/2067050/Squirrel_with_a_Gun/ , why not a duck survival game?
green fulcrum
Plus, ducks are just inherently funny, especially with the stereotype of them being absolute dicks.
quiet swift
Isn't that geese?
gaunt marten
unitled duck game
There's already a game titled duck game
wind stump
"Apology Slime", lmao
also new 2hu mod dropped, Sumi isn't one of my favourites but 
cool mechanics of throwing shit at people
green fulcrum
Isn't that geese?
It's both, really. But yeah, mostly geese.
river veldt
Twitter
thorny loom
light gate
doubt
bold sonnet
trust
thorny loom
bitter stream
looks interesting in a factorio kind of way
quiet swift
unreal idol
i have started to play FFII on the SNES (aka FFIV). I've actually never played II/IV before so this will be fun
I'm about 2 hours in, enjoying it so far
river veldt
this is so rude....
proud warren
I feel she could have phrased that way better than... that 
craggy vine
I miss MSAA in games
random steppe
I mean she isn't wrong, it must be inconvenient
quiet swift
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qKCUd6cAhPA the corpse of c&c continues to be abused
bitter stream
oof T_T
wind stump
hidden elbow
Double chainsaw arms ,are they fucking insane !?
So ,now we have
1 chainsaw leg by default
2 chainsaw leg with optional augmentation
And chainsaw arms
grand cargo
FUCK THIS LEVEL LMFAOOOO
I DID IT
river veldt
is this peggle
wind stump
i'm gonna peg that it is
river veldt
grand cargo
is this peggle
yes.
It's...
ULTRA
EXTREME
FEVER
...time.
what's gonna happen now...
weak river
Nothing will happen, of course.
Managed democracy has been saved, and I foresee no bad things happening in the immediate future.
quiet swift
river veldt
playing Portal with my companion cube plush
weak river
When you incinerate the cube in the game, you should incinerate the plush in real life for maximum immersion.
river veldt
i always forget how short Portal 1 is lmao
arctic fern
it was a free game in the orange box
river veldt
yeah
visual hill
remember when TF2 was paid??
arctic fern
yeah
fresh bane
at least valve made sure to compensate those who actually payed for TF2 when it updated into being a free game
don't really know how much accounts with these hats are worth though
wind stump
ugly hat
weak river
Hey! It's not ugly, it's just...
...coloristically lacking.
light gate
at least valve made sure to compensate those who actually payed for TF2 when it ...
They’re worth nothing.
river veldt
did they ever make a headcrab hat
weak river
did they ever make a headcrab hat
The "Breadcrab" was added back in August 2020, according to the wiki.
fresh bane
That's because they didn't do it, it's a community created item like so many and almost all of them have been since 2018 ish
The only people actively creating new cosmetics, new taunts and stuff are purely the community
river veldt
oh
chilly mural
river veldt
awww
craggy vine
playing Portal with my companion cube plush
Wait, Portal was put on the Switch?
river veldt
yeag
craggy vine
I didn't even know they ported to consoles other then the ps3 and xbox 360 ages ago
Oh also ps2 and original xbox had some valve games
short oak
gaming
little badger
brave karma
Hi
craggy vine
Nevermind we can still play online on the 3ds and wii u
I actually kinda wish my 3ds wasn't half broken and I had the charger
brave karma
You lost it ?
wind stump
dew it
green fulcrum
https://youtu.be/HhXIp7n3kic?si=WzZBBE1zM5eubhDI
I reeeeeally hope this doesn't get a C&D from Nintendo.
little badger
arctic fern
zero hour contracts should be illegal
especially transferring employees to them like this
but game has been struggling for a while
mostly because they're very overpriced
bleak lintel
That and physical games are dying.
arctic fern
which sucks
little badger
harsh kestrel
Good thing there's still retro game stores starting to rise up more for this very reason. They should at least keep it to where you can buy physical media on Amazon or something
brave karma
Anyone who wants to play with me Team fortress 2 ?
quiet swift
And if you ever wondered why so many try to make a live service game...
gaunt marten
100% of my playtime is in the others category.
harsh kestrel
That's just depressing, man
gaunt marten
Unless these numbers only include the AAA industry
harsh kestrel
This is why I say the consumers are part of the problem sometimes
quiet swift
You win the jackpot if your live service is a hit, but it seems like 9 out of 10 fail
thorny loom
And if you ever wondered why so many try to make a live service game...
While on this topic https://www.gameshub.com/news/news/six-year-old-video-games-study-playtime-2024-2638826/
thorny loom
Yeah. That tends to happen when “trend games” happen
quiet swift
The second pic is from the market research firm mentioned in your article
arctic fern
You win the jackpot if your live service is a hit, but it seems like 9 out of 10...
just like the MMO trend form ages ago
and the looter shooter
and battle royale
slim thorn
back in my day, the trend everyone had gotten sick of was WW2 shooters
light gate
I wonder what the next trend will be…
quiet swift
A few more of the pages from that report
slim thorn
we are the 8%
untold vigil
You always had to dig for the good wins
Not that my standards are spectacular since I love gatchas but
Fucking hog leg tho
untold vigil
Arknights is genuinely good gameplay god dammit
slim thorn
I was just never interested in the first place, I don't get to claim moral superiority for going "meh" at a whole genre before knowing it even had problems lol
untold vigil
The fact that I find girls in full tactical very sexy is secondary
slim thorn
there's a few bits I wish were better but overall yeah it's quite good
river veldt
i keep thinkign that Arknignts is like, a Batman thing
slim thorn
it does sound like a portmantaeu of Arkham Knight doesn't it
slim thorn
don't worry, so is DC
fickle garnet
I just bought Noita on steam cuz it was on sale. Ive been wanting it for a while now
untold vigil
I want Unicorn Overlord something fierce
But alas, money
I guess I can finish out 13 sentinels first
visual hill
Wait, Portal was put on the Switch?
yes, both Portal 1 and 2. These are very good ports too, even if unambitious (no extra content)
craggy vine
I'm sure it was easy to port and they would be good, I just didn't know Valve did anything with consoles at all beyond 2010
visual hill
Valve did CS:GO for consoles in 2012 😛
craggy vine
I didn't even realize CS:GO was on consoles
I just know TF2, half life 2, and portal were on PS3 and Xbox 360.
Basically I thought the orange box was the last thing they did
fickle garnet
wtf is this???
dense crypt
God, far as i can tell
fickle garnet
i just walked to the edge of the map without going underground and the scaled a really high wall and found that😭
oops i drank swamp water
gaunt marten
Fun fight https://i.imgur.com/AqoOQ4G.png
random steppe
It's called slice and dice
random steppe
It's an amazing game that is also available on the phone
fickle garnet
Noita is fun
gaunt marten
Weaver has an ability that doubles my mana. Wizard has an ability that lets me do it again. Jester gives me rerolls to help me get exactly the side of the die I want. Wizard gives me more mana as I reroll. Ace and wizard both allow me to make jester give more rerolls.
Artificer and jester both have abilities with the charged keyword, giving me one free point of damage for every point of mana I have
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1775490/Slice__Dice/ steam page if you're curious
unreal idol
these encounters in FFII are super annoying
I can literally only deal 1 damage to these guys with my physical attacker
weak river
If physical violence will not work, resort to cognitive warfare.
Insult them and/or their mothers and/or their fathers until they cry hard enough to render themselves effectively incapacitated. Works every time.
visual hill
I can literally only deal 1 damage to these guys with my physical attacker
when a RPG offers a choice between melee, archery and magic, the right answer is always archery
(ok, almost always)
I'm playing Dungeon Siege and have mained archery on all my characters, except 2 which act purely as healers
with archery, you can cheese fights by retreating then firing a few arrows. Spells can do that too, but it's less reliable (slow projectiles, so monsters can dodge them)
gaunt marten
these encounters in FFII are super annoying
Did you accidentally wander into an area that's too hard for you?
light gate
when a RPG offers a choice between melee, archery and magic, the right answer is...
||MAGIC MISSILE||
gaunt marten
FF2 has a lot of those
unreal idol
Did you accidentally wander into an area that's too hard for you?
No it was because of Cecil's equipment due to him being a Dark Knight. It was ineffective due to that area's specific plot-related challenges
gaunt marten
Oh you're playing 4
unreal idol
Ah fuck, I thought I specified
But yeah, 4, specifically the North American SNES release known as FFII
gaunt marten
Yeah that one is a lot of fun
gaunt marten
Of course
unreal idol
Great, I'm a sucker for twin dynamics
gaunt marten
You should get as attached to every character as possible
unreal idol
I'm enjoying it, but it's a bit hard to get fully attached because I feel the script is a bit weak due to it being an early SNES game
But I'm still picking up what they're putting down
gaunt marten
I like the Free Enterprise randomizer
Turns the game into a highly customizable open world experience
static bluff
It's an amazing game that is also available on the phone
Cool, I just got it installed on my phone. I was hoping it had a paid version with no ads.
random steppe
Yes, it's what it has iirc
gaunt marten
The paid version with no ads is a microtransaction.
The free version is the demo
If you buy it on itch.io you get both android and PC versions at twice the cost and no DRM
random steppe
I do think that you have to sideload it that way
So updates are annoying to get
Might be wrong tho
gaunt marten
Yeah you install it as an APK
On the plus side you get to just copy the game and your save to any device you want
astral steeple
huh
apparently back in 2019 there was a hatsune miku rocket league collab in the china version of the game
why tf didnt all the other versions of the game get it too lol
river veldt
#Portal2 - the gigantic vault door opening up to reveal a normal door behind it is such a good gag
weak river
Rumor has it that the development team was constantly and incessantly giggling for the entire length of time it took to implement that joke.
novel pine
wtf is this???
noita has the most awesome map ive ever seen in a game. really gives me the feeling i had as a child where id try to get out of bounds of maps, expecting more things to be there. But in noita there actually IS more things out of bounds
brave karma
Anyone who wants to plays Team fortress 2 with me ?
hidden elbow
Idk what to think about Gwimbly s re design, like it's not bad, but the original had more character, much better than Gwimbly boom design tho
spiral kraken
Idk what to think about Gwimbly s re design, like it's not bad, but the original...
Smiling Friends ?
gaunt marten
Crash bandicoot ass design
static bluff
lol yeah. If Crash Bandicoot and Rocko from Rocko's Modern Life had a baby
quiet swift
sooner than I expected
quiet swift
(In my sights, I believe is the term)
little badger
thorny loom
Surpises it was even supported this long
Least this means another one is likely to be announced soon
wind stump
dead game lol
harsh kestrel
Let's hope the next one won't be as much of a mess as this game was when it released a few years ago lol
little badger
dense crypt
Monke
brave karma
Does anyone want to play with me?
little badger
thorny loom
Eh. At this point that’s basically standard
By the end of the decade will probably not even have physical releases outside collectors items
light gate
That’s disappointing.
Was simply two blu-ray discs too much?
But then again this is the same company that shut down The Crew, so I should expect this to be norm.
little badger
But then again this is the same company that shut down The Crew, so I should exp...
After lots of people asked them for an offline patch they didn’t listen
light gate
They don’t need to.
You’ve agreed the terms.
When you buy a game, you don’t own it. Its a license.
gaunt marten
Don't give a company money to pay for a luxury if you aren't fine with the transaction.
harsh kestrel
Or better yet, let people actually own the shit that they buy like in the 2000s for example. This is why physical media is still being bought
graceful bridge
Yeah, sadly I'll be skipping this one. I don't trust Ubisoft at all.
harsh kestrel
The only thing I trust them with at the moment is XDefiant, and that's because that game is actually being given time to be baked to perfection so to speak
gaunt marten
A lot of smaller companies sell good games that you buy and keep forever
There's hardly a shortage of those
If you want to own what you buy, buy from people who let you
Instead of buying from people who don't and then complaining about it
rancid herald
no pc release?
little badger
bronze abyss
What about not buying and instead actually owning what you have 
(this technique is called based pirate mindset,especially applicable to shit devs or large corpos)
river veldt
https://fxtwitter.com/detonatedcom/status/1777392871823282519?s=46&t=bVzXPIZvXYy...
im sorry, $80 ?????
thorny loom
no pc release?
Its on pc. Too just on uplay
thorny loom
im sorry, $80 ?????
Essentially you have to buy all the other kong vs Godzilla bundles to get it
So ixrec isnt far off
harsh kestrel
Anything with Destiny 2 updates that have the word "Final" in the name will never be truly the final update lol
arctic fern
cant wait for you to try portal 3!
oh wait
oh you gotta do the co-op testing initiative next
river veldt
cant wait for you to try portal 3!
oh wait
🥲
astral steeple
they really need to do a portal 3 at some point
bring Chell back
one of my all time favorite video game characters ever
fresh bane
They don't really need to do anything, that's kind of the point
Valve is in a unique position as a company where they can absolutely afford to not do absolutely anything as a company other than keep supporting Steam
I wish they made a new game because Valve has always had developers who were passionate about pushing gaming forward and experimenting with new stuff, but I guess we've reached a point where maybe there's not a whole lot of revolutionary things to explore anymore, but I'm glad they don't feel pressured to work on HL3 or Portal 3 just because people want one because I'd hate for them to make a game they feel forced to work on rather than something they actually want to do
Even though I hate the fact that it's VR exclusive since they were working on VR tech at the time they felt like doing Alyx and that's still considered the best VR experience so they did something right there
arctic fern
at this point they really only make games to help push a new product, like alyx for VR and source 2
fresh bane
I don't know if I'd call CS2 a new game entirely but I guess it technically is
river veldt
they made that Portal game for Steam Deck
fresh bane
It's not a game but it still counts
arctic fern
it was prety funny
fresh bane
It's a sort of Aperture themed '''tutorial''' for the Deck
arctic fern
more experience and tutorial than game, yeah
astral steeple
lol i remember when they tried pushing that gmod "Sequel" S&box, but didnt want people putting third party maps/items into the game
the thing that literally made gmod well liked and famous to begin with
river veldt
strange
arctic fern
gmod isnt owned by steam
river veldt
i forgot about S&box
astral steeple
weird
fresh bane
Garry's Mod was also not made by Valve either
astral steeple
could have sworn valve acquired them a while ago
river veldt
wow i forgot Facepunch made Rust
fresh bane
If there ever was a literal name game this one is it, it's literally a mod made by Garry
I don't even know if Source 2 Filmmaker was made by Valve either, I think it wasn't
The whole Source 2 thing gave me hope Valve would maybe work on Source 2 versions of L4D and TF2 but with the little I know about CS2 still missing content from CSGO I'm guessing that would be way too much work for probably little return, but TF2 would benefit greatly from something like that as a way to actually fix the decades old spaghetti code that prevented so many people before from even wanting to touch TF2 and add new stuff
If they ever do do that, I hope they keep the coconut jpeg in the code just for fun
fickle garnet
I love the coconut jpeg
fresh bane
in other news Joel is back with a vengeance
All the people who were speculating before that the previous automaton forces were just a reconnaissance fleet were totally right, there's so many more of them now
astral steeple
quiet swift
dense crypt
https://vxtwitter.com/briGriv/status/1777560157674676228
GET OUTTA MY HEAD MANG
bronze abyss
bruh so many people are boosted in brawlhalla,like i dont understand what do they gain from it,theres no reward that would be important enough to matter from getting a higher rank
is the border really worth it when you dont have anything in skill to show for it?
like majority of people ive played against in the new ranked season taht were in diamond were 100% boosted cuz they are like maybe low plat in skill at best
its just kinda pathetic trying to seem higher rank when you cant even get back to it yourself
harsh kestrel
Oh God lol
gaunt marten
This fight lasted so long the enemy archer talked
"Are we stuck here forever?" she asked.
We are not. I crawled out of that fight one point of damage at a time
proud warren
light gate
gaunt marten
(Spells are often more useful than this.)
Some items and abilities improve your spells or benefit from them, so this isn't entirely useless.
river veldt
have you guys played Crash Bandicoot
dense crypt
tag team racing and twinsanity were the only 2 i played
might be the only ones ill ever wanna play, they were really great
quiet swift
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2113960/KVLT/ hm. Article describing this as a spiritual successor to HL2 and Prey 
slim thorn
Prey (2006) or Prey (2017)?
brave karma
Would anyone like to play with me?
gaunt marten
You should make friends first then play with them after they're friends
Alternatively, try recruiting people for a specific game. Consider that people won't know who you are
brave karma
How ?
craggy vine
I think something is up with the armoury crate app. It is maxing out these cores and making this thing stay at around 75C
Not nice having fans blaring while idle, even if I am in turbo mode
Well turning off cpu boost solved the temp issue. But still a bunch of cpu usage.
I guess cpu boost basically is just like overclocking as much as the temps allow
wind stump
best game ever
wind stump
yesh
thorny loom
Twitter
craggy vine
Hah cool
thorny loom
People should start doing this more if sony and others starting accepting refunds for games shutdown. Heh.
craggy vine
I somewhat hope it gets charged back to Ubisoft
sour hill
https://x.com/thealexvii/status/1777645598050533631?s=46&t=bVzXPIZvXYyJJoEkCfgMs...
Holy shit hahaha
harsh kestrel
Sony W...? Lol
quiet swift
That wage slave is gonna get fired
wind stump
Worth
harsh kestrel
One million is low sales...? Fuck outta here with that, that ain't low
Is that a million dollars or a million copies sold though?
thorny loom
Copies sold
little badger
little badger
Oh I didn’t see it above
little badger
untold vigil
Wow price gouging I can't belive it
bitter stream
Ea turning something of some value, into way worse value? no, never! /s
astral steeple
i renew my game pass ultimate every month but thats about it in terms of subscriptions lol
i dont use any streaming services at all
bitter stream
fair enough
astral steeple
dont have a phone plan either
i guess technically i do have ps plus as well
and the switch online membership
so only 3 subs
untold vigil
I absolutely refuse lol
astral steeple
the ps plus and switch one are yearly
untold vigil
I'd rather play singleplayer only forever then pay for one extra special girl™️ pass
dire gate
StS2, 2025
astral steeple
could stick to only free to play games that dont require the online membership lol
astral steeple
well yeah with xbox and ps thats pretty much how it is
you can only play with other people online if you pay for their memberships
only with free to play games do you not need their sub
thats how its always been
even in the 360 days you had to pay for gold
just to play with other people on games
untold vigil
Online gaming existed before that, and still does
that's entirely them being a-holes about it lol
astral steeple
thats how its always been on xbox
untold vigil
And its always sucked!
I shouldn't have to pay for my internet twice just to play halo
astral steeple
eh
you're not paying for your internet
you're paying to use **their **online services/servers
paying for gold on 360 was never an issue at all
white phoenix
remember when ps3 online was completely free but then sony saw how much free money microsoft was getting, and made ps4 online paid
i member
untold vigil
Yeah
That was basically what made me quit console gaming!
Could just play PC and not have to do that
I was a dedicated console gamer before that nonsense
astral steeple
not really nonsense
untold vigil
GReed?
astral steeple
its not really them being greedy tho
servers/etc cost money to keep running
what do you expect
the servers to just stay online for free
harsh kestrel
So they cancel the Dead Space 2 remake because of a bullshit reason, and they basically more than double their subscription price. Typical, but still, nice going, morons
white phoenix
sony doesn't host servers for games they don't make lol
astral steeple
this convo was moreso referring to the 360 days
untold vigil
Hell, even the "neccesary"evil of things like microtransactions and battlepasses annoy me less then a blanket "Wanna play multiplayer? pay me"
astral steeple
also you paid for the game yes
not the servers
back then, games didnt use their own servers
it was entirely dependent on microsoft
also microtransactions arent even all evil
untold vigil
They do not force me to buy them, that much is true
astral steeple
if theyre fully optional cosmetics that are in a Free game that give no advantage at all, and arent required to progress, then its fine
and as long as they are not lootboxes or in a paid game
those are good microtransactions
astral steeple
what
untold vigil
EA terrible.