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thorny loom
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bronze abyss
thank skrillex for making me wanna get into this franchise for no reason
this song is just too fucking good
fresh bane
Don't do it
but yes it is a pretty good song
I'm still a big Simple and Clean fan
https://youtu.be/_Hl3W4HB254?si=m8gIeg66-GDEU02n
slim thorn
I still have Utada Hikaru's full discography on my phone's music playlist 
fresh bane
I can't remember right now if I ever had a significantly harder time with 1 or 2 from when I first played them but I remember KH2 fixed literally every single issue I had with KH1's systems
thorny loom
Thats part of the reason its so much easier lmao
fresh bane
I would say less tedious personally 
dense crypt
i had a harder time with kh2
but thats prolly cuz i wasnt smart about playing the game
thorny loom
I did find out in the remix they recolored a bunch of enemies for some reason
bronze abyss
Would it be possible to just catchup on story through other means than the games maybe and then play kh3 or would that also be mossing out on a huge chunk of the experience 
fresh bane
aaaaaaahhhh that's usually a whole thing when it comes to these games that everyone's probably gonna have different answers for
The thing about Kingdom Hearts is that even if you did play all the main games there's still stuff you probably would miss out on because for some reason nearly every single piece of media about this game even old games for old mobile phones (not smartphones) and an online browser game that's not accessible anymore are for some reason plot relevant
bronze abyss
That might be the most genius milking strategy
What about at the very least only playing mainline games? 1 2 3 i assume are the inly mainline ones?
fresh bane
I personally want to say that KH1-Chain of Memories-KH2 are some of the absolute best KH games and just some of the best games in general especially KH2, if you really just want to play 3 and just want to watch what the others are about to catch up you can do that... but why miss out on what I think is some of the best experiences you can have with games
fresh bane
What about at the very least only playing mainline games? 1 2 3 i assume are the...
Oh if only
No, we don't do that here /s
bronze abyss
Please square i just wanna play gaem dont make me suffer like that 
I didnt play final fantasy for that same reason
fresh bane
KH2 isn't even KH2, people that played KH2 back in the day without knowing Chain of Memories was a thing were ultra confused
It's the main reason why I can't talk about KH without getting mad because of how stupid this all is and how stupid the plot gets later on, but I still loved the games I did play and I can't recommend them enough despite all this stupidity
gaunt marten
But Final Fantasy games are all independent and you don't need to play any of them
bronze abyss
Arent some of them connected?
And theres also like spine offs n shit
Or expansions idk what they even are
fresh bane
That's for FF14
gaunt marten
They'll have the same number
fresh bane
The only games that are connected to each other are games that share the same number like all the spin offs of FF7
gaunt marten
So if you want to get all the Final Fantasy 7 story you just need the ones with 7 in the name
And each numbered entry is independent
bronze abyss
Man fuck skrillex for even making me wanna even look into this cursed franchise
He cooked too hard
fresh bane
Nothing stopping you from just enjoying the music, but if you do want to get into it I would say it's unfortunately one of those franchises where you really do need to go through all the games (and again even then KH3 brings up a lot of stuff from media that some people probably don't even know even after playing the main games )
slim thorn
That might be the most genius milking strategy
the reason everyone tells you to play those collections now is they include all the side game story
fresh bane
the good part is that at least the first half of the franchise is really good, I don't know about the others like BBS, DDD or KH3 because I haven't played them
slim thorn
individually those are good games, but the gap between 2 and 3 suffers at a high level from just taking too long to get to 3
binging them back to back mitigates that a lot
but anyway
story is a huge part of these games
and playing 3 first would make no sense and permanently ruin a lot of it
there's no question that you should at least try 1 first
as old as it is, I really don't think the gameplay was ever bad enough to be a problem, even in retrospect
(there are way worse RPGs as far as "putting up with <mechanics> to get the story" goes)
bronze abyss
are the 1.5 games like mainline+ side in one?
slim thorn
to quote the Epic store page from earlier, the "KINGDOM HEARTS HD 1.5+2.5 ReMIX" collection contains:
• KINGDOM HEARTS FINAL MIX
• KINGDOM HEARTS Re:Chain of Memories
• KINGDOM HEARTS 358/2 Days (HD Remastered cinematics)
• KINGDOM HEARTS II FINAL MIX
• KINGDOM HEARTS Birth by Sleep Final MIX
• KINGDOM HEARTS Re:coded (HD Remastered cinematics)
most people would consider 1, CoM, 2 and BBS to be "mainline" and 358/2 and coded to be "side"
but you get the idea
like I said: 1.5+2.5 collection, then 2.8 collection, then 3
quiet swift
Ah, yes, the Attack on Titan naming convention
slim thorn
it's that simple as far as getting into it
let it become complex after you've actually played a game or two and are invested in it
fresh bane
I will say, personally speaking, I very much recommend original CoM over the HD version of it
slim thorn
(to be fair I have not played Re:CoM, can't speak to that issue)
bronze abyss
fuck it i guess ill try them,not like i alreaey have a million games in my backlog 
slim thorn
these are pretty hefty games anyway, you might want a break before even finishing the first one and that's fine
bronze abyss
fuck its large i might have to beat and delete rdr2 before getting hd 1.5 and 2.5 remix
fresh bane
Yeah there's a reason other than nearly every single game being in completely separate systems that I stopped at KH2 because by that point I had binged through 1, CoM and 2 and each took around 30 something hours
slim thorn
I remember when KH2 was about to come out and I made a point of buying it just before Spring Break because I knew it'd be a problem otherwise
fresh bane
I pretty much only experienced the other stuff from reading about it and watching stuff about it but I've always been content with stopping there because to me 2 feels like a natural ending and I never felt the need to immediately play BBS or DDD after finishing 2
slim thorn
then the first day I played it I literally forgot to eat
bronze abyss
are the games filled with side quests n stuff or is it possible to just power through main story and be done with it?
gaunt marten
Yes
slim thorn
depends how you classify main and side but probably yes
fresh bane
There's a ton of things to do but none of it is necessary or missing some huge content, I never went too far with side stuff
bronze abyss
atleast thats good i guess
slim thorn
the structure of most Kingdom Hearts games is that there's a series of "worlds" you have to visit and complete a story in to unlock more worlds
fresh bane
There's no RPG open world style side quests or anything it's always just fun side stuff you can do if you want to grind out or complete challenges
slim thorn
"the main quest" could mean just the story of Sora, Donald, Goofy (your main party) and the other characters they're directly invested in, which is put on hold for several worlds, or "the main quest" meant more broadly could include all of those per-world stories you must complete to reach the end
slim thorn
if you're worried about grinding, that shouldn't be necessary; simply doing every world's story will be plenty
also friendship the twilight
fresh bane
darkness darkness light hearts light darkness light
gaunt marten
When are you playing Kingdom Hearts 2 for Archipelago?
slim thorn
dunno
unfortunately my 1.5+2.5 copy is for console (man, remember consoles?) so I'd have to rebuy it for that anyway
gaunt marten
It changes the structure of the game into a hub and spokes world and strips out the story
slim thorn
yep, I've heard
white phoenix
my literal reaction upon seeing this on twitter
thorny loom
If you havent bought it yet. This is probably your last chance before having to pirate it
gaunt marten
I'll just pirate it
quiet swift
I should revisit it
white phoenix
2013 
slim thorn
'tis a classic
rotund forge
Poppy Playtime Chapter 3 is horrifying and amazing! It's actually horror and not just boo, got ya!
river veldt
i read the plot synopsis and it's a pretty heavy game
slim thorn
I generally tell people it's Heart of Darkness / Apocalypse Now in video game form
gets the idea across real quick
sadly, not everyone wants to be depressed, so it's not as well known as those two
river veldt
yeah
slim thorn
before anyone gets confused: that "Heart of Darkness" is unrelated to the famous novel that partially inspired Apocalypse Now and Spec Ops: The Line
strong pebble
gaunt marten
Is that GoldenEye64?
river veldt
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heart_of_Darkness_(video_game)
Eric Chahi mentioned 
gaunt marten
I don't know who that is
river veldt
he made Another World and Heart of Darkness
strong pebble
Is that GoldenEye64?
No, GoldenEye 007
strong pebble
It's GoldenEye 007 and he walked like nothing happened
My dads first games was Alex the Kid and this game and I asked which should I beat and it's GoldenEye
gaunt marten
My aunt loved Alex Kidd
strong pebble
It was on Sega and Goldeneye was on Nintendo but is on Xbox too
strong pebble
Was my clip deleted because it was a shooting game?
little badger
gaunt marten
Was my clip deleted because it was a shooting game?
Your clip was not deleted
arctic fern
...this clip?
strong pebble
It disappeared for a second for me and and I restarted discord and it's back
I never seen that before
And before I restarted I touched what Mega quoted and chat was not moving
And I checked age rating and it was 16 and so I thought maybe I can't post it
visual hill
I don't know who that is
he's the French game designer
one of the most well-known ones
he got decorated and all IIRC
visual hill
It's GoldenEye 007 and he walked like nothing happened
oh also, shooting an enemy's gun will do nothing, so guards are protected even more by their gun than their helmet
in Perfect Dark, shooting an enemy's gun will disarm them, but GE doesn't have disarming
strong pebble
I've heard Perfect Dark is very similar
visual hill
it is pretty much GoldenEye 2
it's generally considered a better game, but also harder. Oh, and Perfect Dark has an unofficial PC port too
strong pebble
I'm just happy I didn't break the rules with a shooting game
visual hill
we post shooting games all day here, it's fine
GoldenEye is pretty tame by modern standards, but even by 1997 standards, because it released on a Nintendo console and back then, Nintendo didn't like M-rated games
so GoldenEye had to fit within a T rating, which means no gore, only light amounts of blood, etc
strong pebble
Rating is 16 and Discord is 13 so I thought maybe I shouldn't but thats cool that I can
visual hill
Nintendo started softening on this rule in the late GameCube era, but even that console didn't have that many M-rated games. The PS2/Xbox had far more
strong pebble
I think in Europe it's 7, 12, 16 and 18
visual hill
my father made me play Doom when I was like 5 years old, you can tell I didn't care much about ratings. 🙂
strong pebble
I played two Dooms
Doom 1 and Doom 2 a little
But not at 5
They're on Gamepass
strong pebble
Me every time I play a game (I lose focus very fast unless someone tells me to beat a game)
visual hill
https://vxtwitter.com/TheNCSmaster/status/1752352030302052460
the Sakurai videos are quite the trip
though on the other hand, he did say 30 FPS is fine for many games in one of them 😢
hides
torn thicket
legends of equestria ❄️ 🤍
strong pebble
Flitter looking for smoke
gaunt marten
What does that mean?
strong pebble
To argue
strong pebble
I think 60 is only needed for super fast games
gaunt marten
Sure, but smooth movement is great for most games
It's not needed, but it's very nice to have and would be missed
slim thorn
and past a certain point, a consistent framerate is more important than a high framerate
since I have no skill at games, that point is likely 30fps
strong pebble
I think it's a weird question because on console you have to choose and on PC or cloud you don't
fresh bane
I've played games on potatoes and computers that had the screen literally duct taped to the rest of the computer barely hanging on at 360p barely reaching 20 something consistent frames for 70% of my life so I've never understood the obsession with super ultra high FPS
I can definitely feel a difference in 30 and 60, but anything past 60 is not that meaningful to me, I'm more than happy with a game being 40-50 consistent stable FPS
river veldt
yeah same
hushed onyx
https://vxtwitter.com/TheNCSmaster/status/1752352030302052460
...but what if we're talking about a Kojima game...? 🤔
fickle garnet
I think 30 fps is fine for turn based games and other games like that. They really don't have any need for 60+fps
slim thorn
it's rare that I even notice 30 vs 60
strong pebble
I think 30 fps is fine for turn based games and other games like that. They real...
And racing games because if you make a mistake you made it early
slim thorn
part of the reason I like to leave Steam's fps counter on is that if I'm not seeing the numbers jump around I won't even be able to tell it's framerate instead of something else
fresh bane
...but what if we're talking about a Kojima game...? 🤔
The funny part is that it doesn't apply to Kojima games as much as you'd think
river veldt
i can kind of notice 30 to 60
fresh bane
In pretty much almost all of MGS' game reveals they almost always mainly show gameplay
strong pebble
I notice too and resolutions, but I only choose 60 in super fast games
fickle garnet
I definitely do notice the difference between 60fps and 30fps
river veldt
like when i play Doom Eternal on my switch and then watch pc gameplay on youtube i can def notice a difference, aside from the obvious graphics upgrade
fresh bane
It's not that there's not a difference, it's that I don't care 
There is absolutely a difference between 30 and 60, but I'm more than fine with a stable 40-50 and won't lose my mind if the game isn't running at 240 FPS and dips to 239 when entering a new area
slim thorn
right, I can tell 30 vs 60 apart when they're shown side-by-side like that, but when I'm only seeing the one framerate I generally won't have a clue which it is without a tool measuring it
strong pebble
I'm playing my first Forza Motorsport multi game right now and I'm worried a little
slim thorn
it's like how I'm functionally tone deaf in that if you play two notes back to back I can tell whether it went up or down, but if you play just one note I don't have the slightest idea whether it was A or F or Q
gaunt marten
I don't even know what A or F sound like
strong pebble
I can i have very good sight and breathing
gaunt marten
Pretty sure Q is fake though
slim thorn
I think it's fake
fresh bane
Hell, when I recently tried to emulate Peace Walker I immediately noticed how badly it ran, but when I was playing it on my PSP back in the day I didn't ever notice how awful the 20 fps were
visual hill
There is absolutely a difference between 30 and 60, but I'm more than fine with ...
reminds me of that hard-drive article
using a VRR display makes framerate fluctuations less noticeable, but it won't help against stutter
fresh bane
the entire gaming community collectively choosing to clown on that post is the funniest thing to me
visual hill
"The first human" and the rest of the post are written in a different font. 
fresh bane
https://vxtwitter.com/daveysockrocker/status/1752203989901533647
no worries here's another version 
visual hill
promising neuron activation 
river veldt
https://vxtwitter.com/daveysockrocker/status/1752203989901533647
no worries here...
i have one too lol
https://fixupx.com/echoesenjoyer/status/1752242450939429269?s=46
green fulcrum
You can delete this if you want mods, but I cannot resist posting it:
white phoenix
that one scene in kingsman about to become real life soon
fickle garnet
The church scene?
white phoenix
no the heads blowing up scene
fickle garnet
Oh
Yeah that makes more sense
The church scene is my favorite scene in the Kingsman
green fulcrum
I say this as a spiritual follower of Christ (I no longer associate myself with the term "Christian") when I say that the entire church massacre scene is one of my favorite scenes from those films.
They had it coming and then some.
minor gorge
harsh kestrel
I mean, they're pretty much the punching bag joke of the gaming industry at this point
craggy vine
I feel bad for them, but that is also really funny
fresh bane
the amount of passion the Signalis fandom has in specific is weird for such a (relatively) small game
I'm not complaining though 
animators and artists haven't stopped making stuff ever since models started making rounds and it's all awesome
feral tulip
Twitter
An incredible tidbit on top
Twitter
Wow yea they aren't kidding I can't stand this guy 
This dude blinks from his bottom lid which is physically impossible to do as a human
feral tulip
Spark Brushel
It's funny how he's the only good witness in the whole series while looking like that
He doesn't lie, he isn't a secret killer, he's eager to help and he actually helps you win
And you stare at him for most of the case
dense crypt
Seems to be the point
feral tulip
Yeaaa and for him to be setting off in a series as eccentric as aa
dense crypt
Uncanny valley to the max, makes you doubt him
feral tulip
Uncanny valley to the max, makes you doubt him
Yea lol, did a great job
Thank God he's not in any anime adaption
proud warren
well i commend the team for creating the most disturbing yet helpful individual; they had a goal, and delivered like, 3 times over 
teal sonnet
green fulcrum
RIP
devout pagoda
Rip
rough sleet
now the question is was it worth selling your soul to Microsoft
wind stump
heady bridge
now the question is was it worth selling your soul to Microsoft
For that Activision Blizzard would have needed to of had a soul to begin with. That was stripped out of the company years before Microsoft got their hands on it.
rough sleet
I don't even know who at this point I hate more, Activision Blizzard or big corporations
but probably Blizzard as those mfs are pussies that are willing to obey my country's repressive and stupid laws fearing to get banned here (they stopped selling their games here anyway because of [rule2] like what's the fucking point)
Like, I didn't get to have pride profile pfps in Overwatch during June
Oh and well, the bs with old CEO... 
arctic fern
https://twitter.com/Schaffrillas/status/1752593368839020881?t=FLcuoDDVaY-MEAxVge...
I remember this guy when I played that case
I thought I'd mentally blocked him out
Weirdest and creepiest character I've ever seen, goddamn
wind stump
i updated my steam
bronze abyss
rabi ribi my beloved 
dire gate
weeeb
bronze abyss
i still have a run of it on hard that i didnt finish,completely forgot about it with how fast my backlog expanded
wind stump
is all animated too https://steamcommunity.com/id/Hclegend/
strong pebble
Animei
thorny loom
@wind stump nerd
Prince of Persia: The Lost Crown
Revenue : $15M
Players : around 300k
• Assassin's Creed: Mirage
Revenue : $250M
Players : 5M
• Avatar: Frontiers of Pandora
Revenue : $133M
Players : 1.9M
wind stump
?
thorny loom
I was just saying hi to you hc lol
wind stump
oh ok
thorny loom
But yeah some interesting sales figures for ubisofts new games. Surprised prince of persia didn’t sell very well.
gaunt marten
I'm delighted
wind stump
good, consumer boycotts fucking work
random steppe
I don't even know who at this point I hate more, Activision Blizzard or big corp...
I don't even know who at this point I hate more, Activision Blizzard or big corporations
I feel compelled to point out that Activision Blizzard was a big corporation before Microsoft bought them
bronze abyss
poor family run business blizzard entertainment 🥺
random steppe
good, consumer boycotts fucking work
Also I'm sure that the messages they'll get that their only unique title they made in a decade sold badly, is that they need to make more unique titles
That is the game that all the Ubisoft haters were saying that Ubisoft should make, that it sold badly is not a good thing
Also I kind of doubt this is due to consumer boycott but more to the fact that Ubisoft audience only play the "Ubisoft Game" and this wasn't the "Ubisoft Game"
It's kind of sucks that companies like ubisoft keep putting out unimaginative mediocre slop, and that is legitimised by their audience only wanting to play unimaginative mediocre slop
visual hill
there is a big audience for people wanting to play games on autopilot, so it's wonder why that kind of Ubisoft game keeps succeeding
heady bridge
The issue with the new Prince of Persia isn't the gameplay, it isn't the art style, it isn't necessarily even the story as such. The issue, is you call a game "Prince of Persia" and yet, you don't actually play as the titular Prince.
random steppe
is that a problem?
It's a deep, engaging, and pretty unique game.
Play as the dude is a factor?
heady bridge
I mean considering how long the series has been away for, yeah, kind of a deal breaker for some. Experimentation using a different protagonist is something you do when a series is oversaturated, not when you bring it back, in its classic style for the first time in decades
random steppe
I think it's a ridiculous complaint
heady bridge
I never said about the merit of said complaint only that people were having it
random steppe
I think people don't really have that complaint
heady bridge
You haven't looked online hard enough then
Ultimately the game wasn't massively advertised and is a rare mid-budget title for Ubisoft, I like that they are still doing those as a AA game from a AAA studio is pretty rare now. Sales may seem low but if the budget was also in line then it may still turn a modest profit.
random steppe
I think when people say it, it's a disingenous excuse to shit on a game they wouldn't have played anyway for other reasons.
"You don't even play as the prince" sounds like people complaining about Legend of Zelda protagonist not being called Zelda
None that is actually interested in the game does that
heady bridge
I mean Zelda was playable in 2 of the 3 CDi games, that worked out really well for those...
I say that but she was fun to play as in both Hyrule Warriors games
random steppe
I think that the notion if the game was equal in all other respects but the dude happened to be a prince, the game would have done better, is pretty ridiculous.
The game in my opinion, would have done the exact same, people would be citing another easy dig to shit on it
Because it's Ubisoft (which fair, ubisot did pretty bad shit), because it's 2d, or because it's not AAA
I am convinced of it bcause the first thing that people started doing when the trailer came out, was saying it was bad because Prince of Persia was supposed to be 3d, thn people pointed out to those people that originally prince of persia was 2d. so they switched it
heady bridge
The fact people call 2D games a reason for a game doing shit is stupid. If anything a game being 2D just means less stuff likely to go wrong, especially with the camera in many 3D games as some companies still can't get a 3D camera right sometimes. Looking at you Sonic Team...
I mean ultimately Prince of Persia was an acquired IP for Ubisoft anyway, the originals were published by Broderbund so really if you want to be old and crotchety about it you could say the series was never the same once Ubisoft took control, all the way back in 1998...
visual hill
I mean ultimately Prince of Persia was an acquired IP for Ubisoft anyway, the or...
Far Cry players when they hear this:
heady bridge
Oh hang on, Ubisoft didn;t take over the IP until the early 2000s
random steppe
Ultimately I think it's bad when good games sell badly and it's good when good games sell well.
2d or 3d I don't really care as long as the game is good.
heady bridge
Prince of Persia 3D was published by Red Orb Entertainment (literally who) and Mattel Interactive on Dreamcast. I didn't even know Mattel had a games division in the 90s like Hasbro did...
random steppe
Ubisoft has many fanboys that will defend whatever they do, and haters that will oppose it.
If Ubisoft makes a good game I want it to sell well because I want them to make those instead of Assassin's Creeds.
thorny loom
Twitter
heady bridge
Ubisoft published Street Racer, the best Mario Kart clone, so they're all right in my book 😉
random steppe
Are they the ones making not splatoon?
That they then asked people to not call it splatoon
heady bridge
Are they the ones making *not splatoon*?
Foamstars? Nah that's Square-Enix
sour hill
Feel old https://x.com/thegameawards/status/1752714148038029718?s=46&t=bVzXPIZvX...
I was born that year! 
heady bridge
I don't see Foamstars having the same level of success as Palworld, though it is coming to PS Plus, even the lowest tier of that....
random steppe
Some people that played it at previews say it's pretty good, we'll see when it comes out
heady bridge
All depends on how much of a market there is for something like Splatoon on non-Nintendo formats. Pokémon is a slam dunk, and I mean, Splatoon is basically a family friendly third-person shooter so I'd say it has a decent chance of finding some kind of audience.
slim thorn
I still wish the new PoP was available without the always-online problem, I would've bought it day one if not for that
little badger
little badger
little badger
Could be DLC https://fxtwitter.com/sony/status/1752714695662870803?
thorny loom
Oh yeah isnt that sony thing today
little badger
little badger
Oh yeah isnt that sony thing today
thorny loom
I really hope one day sega goes back to sonic adventure
gaunt marten
guess i'm on my classic RPG binge
Play Crystal Project
thorny loom
Could be DLC https://fxtwitter.com/sony/status/1752714695662870803?
Probably the pc port
astral steeple
ngl
in terms of sonic stuff, i just want them to remaster/remake 3d blast lol
harsh kestrel
Hopefully they reveal stuff worth a crap lol
thorny loom
If rumors are to be believed demon souls remake is on the list of pc ports
harsh kestrel
I've never personally cared for those games on the count of my sanity lol
little badger
ngl
in terms of sonic stuff, i just want them to remaster/remake 3d blast lol
Apparently it’s a sonic generations remaster or a sonic and shadow game
harsh kestrel
I read a thing last night that it was supposedly gonna be called something along the lines of Sonic X Shadow Generations, and it's like... Okay, that kinda sounds overall odd, and Sonic Generations being remastered in a non anniversary year is also a bit odd to me
strong pebble
Start times https://fxtwitter.com/geoffkeighley/status/1752737917204889790?
I love game events
harsh kestrel
Maybe what I'm saying is a bit nit picky, but I just found that potential name and the game possibly being remastered on a non anniversary year to be odd for some reason. They may wait to release that until 2026 for the Sonic 35th anniversary though. Who knows
little badger
dense crypt
Why does this keep happening
gaunt marten
Because pretty much every company wanted to extend
Turns out, they all overextended
thorny loom
on the somewhat bright side. if all the people that get laid off across all these companies come together we can get some decent indie studios
quiet swift
That implies there's enough money going around to do so. But VC funding and whatnot seems to have been cut by 86%
thorny loom
Oof. Right we do need that money
fresh bane
||https://vxtwitter.com/Comrade_Waluigi/status/1752505968062329026 || Oh I thought the writing would be this game's saving grace but this is bad huh
(suicide squad spoilers, I guess, if anyone even cares )
random steppe
IDK, is it just me not being attached to Arkham Batman like..at all?
Like, he's okay, he doesn't really have a character.
The voice is good but apart from that he's just like Batman™
gaunt marten
True!
random steppe
Like you can tell the difference between Spiderman from the games or Spiderman from one of the movies, they have a personality
That one is just Batman
Archetypical Batman if you will
gaunt marten
Yeah I don't like how I don't know what to expect when I see a Spiderman
Just give me one
random steppe
I'm so blown away from everyone going "they ||killed|| one of your favourite characters"
thorny loom
I think its because until the recent spiderman games. There wasnt really any superhero game close to quality of the arkham series
So it sticks out to people
random steppe
I care okay for the Batman in a few comics I've read, I care for the Batman from the Nolan trilogy because he had a character and a personality, I care about Batman in the recent Batman movie.
Arkham Batman is just a Batman shaped container to put your favourite Batman in, not an actual character
thorny loom
It doesnt help that the batman games after the arkham series were medicore at best
slim thorn
imo Arkham City did a good job with his character in the places it mattered, especially at the very end ("Do you know what's really funny? Even after all you've done, I still would've saved you.")
but I agree that even at its best it's well-executed standard Batman
random steppe
IDK the game doesn't seem very good regardless but the fact that they ||kill Batman in "Kill the Justice League" game seems an extremely silly thing to get upset about.||
gaunt marten
I don't think a game that has an interesting superman can be made
random steppe
It think it can, but I think an indie has to do the concept first
thorny loom
Yeah.
gaunt marten
No I mean
random steppe
It can't be a cookie cutter 3rd person action game, and AAA wont ever risk a big game on an unproven idea
So a Indie has to do it first, and then AAA will maybe try it if the indie does well
gaunt marten
Superman as a character cannot be both interesting and in a good game
random steppe
I disagree, it can't be a 3rd person action game like the ones we had
It needs to be in a different genre
thorny loom
An open world gta style game could be fun
gaunt marten
You'd either have to make superman faithfully and turn the game boring or make an inaccurate superman but an exciting game.
The conflict is directly between superman's character and the agency granted to players
random steppe
It should be more of a "save people from disaster" kind of game than "beat up the other dude in costume" kind of game.
green fulcrum
New sonic game is apparently getting announced.
What's this about a new Sonic game?
thorny loom
What's this about a new Sonic game?
Sega is allegedly announcing one
slim thorn
The conflict is directly between superman's character and the agency granted to ...
this unironically sounds like a Mr Mxyzptlk plot
gaunt marten
Honestly he might be the thing a superman game needs to be good
thorny loom
Another cool idea would be something like justice league vs apokolips/darkseid
One of the few villans that can take on superman in a 1v1
gaunt marten
Superman and Batman should trade the Joker and Mr. Mxyzptlk
gaunt marten
We did?
gaunt marten
Exactly. Superman is way better at dealing with the Joker and Batman is actually smart
thorny loom
Speaking of joker apparently he’s being added in the new suicide squad game
fresh bane
IDK the game doesn't seem very good regardless but the fact that they ||kill Bat...
I don't think anyone is particularly upset about that just how it was done which is exactly what the tweet I linked talks about
fresh bane
Like, he's okay, he doesn't really have a character.
I don't think that's true at all, but I'm also not particularly very attached to the Arkhamverse
I actually think that the Arkham verse kind of hurt the perception modern audiences have of Batman but you can't exactly say that without having a super dope pipe bomb mailed to your door because these games are the holy grail to gamers
If you come across anyone who legitimately is shitting on the game because they killed one of the characters that the title of the game tells you you are going to kill then you can safely just dismiss their opinions, this game is an incredibly hot topic right now and on the internet people don't actually form their own opinions or try to have actual critical discussions of things, they just watch their favourite commentator talk about the game and repeat what they say
random steppe
Fair, that was my perception in the games while playing them
Don't get me wrong I really like the Arkahm trilogy but I never cared much about Arkham Batman personally
Well I like the first 2 games at least, the 3rd i fell off
fresh bane
I don't particularly care about any of the Arkhamverse characters except Joker because he's perfect
random steppe
I'm trying to think back if any of the other characters stood out to me in the games but I can't pick one out, I agree on the Joker being a great one tho
Granted, I played them a long while ago so I might be forgetting someone
fresh bane
It's honestly really sad to me how we've gotten not only one but two live service games based on DC characters that have fallen completely flat on their faces with Gotham Knights and Suicide Squad, both of these games could've been great and had so much potential from their concepts but we ended up getting what we ended up getting, this one in particular seems to have at the very least generated much much more discussion than Gotham Knights which comparatively was just kind of like a fart in the wind that everyone forgot it even exists
Which sucks because I've always really really wanted to learn more about the bat fam and I think it would've been excellent if it was a focused single player campaign style game where you either choose a characters' campaign or the game lets you switch at times or whatever, something like that but pretty much not what we ended up getting the worst part is that I remember specifically after watching a video about that game where they talk about how there's all these cool little character details and possible stories that could've been explored that get relegated to messages on a computer
Can't even put into words how frustrating that kind of stuff is
fresh bane
Granted, I played them a long while ago so I might be forgetting someone
I already forget a lot of details about games I played and loved so I don't think I remember much of anything from the Arkham games at this point
harsh kestrel
It's called AAA game devs and publishers and straight up greed. AKA, quality couldn't mean less to them as long as the pockets are filled with money. Typical shit to me honestly
random steppe
This is interesting because these games largely don't make money and close after a few months
They are bets.
They hope they can make the one that goes big and make billions
fresh bane
I don't think greed is the correct mentality to describe this with, I think it's just people who don't play games, have no idea about games and are just generally very out of touch and disconnected ultimately being the ones deciding what direction the game takes combined with mediocre developers (directors, writers)
It's also kind of important to know what exactly went behind the scenes because a game could come out that bad from lack of proper budget, very short time to develop the game, changes in leadership, etc, all these things can make an otherwise interesting game just completely fail and come up as a half baked frankenstein of ideas
harsh kestrel
Basically business people who have taken over the industry that just do nothing but monetize everything, prioritize every terrible game model, and make sure to add a dash of pissing your player base off like usual
random steppe
I do sincerely think it's how I descirbed
So many live service released and failed the same exact way under WB in quite a few years, that this is the only reason I can exaplain as to why they wouldn't course correct if the expectations for these games was to make a nomal amount of money.
Also I just realised, after palworld do you think we'll get many capture catching open world survival games from AAA?
quiet swift
They've seen the dollars, they'll chase them
fresh bane
I don't know but I hope not, but even then I doubt that they would get as popular as Palworld, the entire Palworld discussion is a bit wild because of how much of a perfect lightning in a bottle its been
fresh bane
also Palworld is still in early access too and its already competing with Pokemon sales
quite a weirdly polished early access too I have to say
random steppe
yeah most EAcess games nowdays tend to come out with a decent level of polish
At least he one that do well
There was a period in which Early Accss meant janky mess, but i think devs figured out that first impressions matter A LOT
So a game might be incomplete, but what's there is usually pretty well tuned
fresh bane
I don't think I have enough experiences with early access games in general to say anything about it, I'm going off the metric of a streamer I watch who talked about how Palworld's early access is wildly better than even Baldur's Gate 3's early access
Like, so polished and so weirdly 'complete' that it could just be a full release and it wouldn't be that bad
slim thorn
yeah, prototypes are only useful if the foundational stuff is all there in a state it can reasonably be judged already, and what's missing is missing in a very obvious way
random steppe
I wouldn't call it complete personally
There is a lot of jank still in many places, especially Pal managment
And the game doesn't have an ending currently
random steppe
It's in context of a broader discussion about early acess, we can't move it
fresh bane
It's obviously not complete complete but in terms of early access I mean it's far better than a lot of early access stuff usually is
Relative to most early access stuff
random steppe
I think it was around Hades release that EA games stopped being like...ARK
slim thorn
fair, as long as we start bringing up other examples it's probably fine
random steppe
Or Dayz
slim thorn
yeah, for a while Early Access felt like it was synonymous with janky indie survival crafter thing because survival crafter was that one weird genre where no one had made a non-jank game yet so they could all get away with it
random steppe
And with Hades release I mant Early Access release
For BG3 I think it might be because it's really hard to translate D&D into a functioning computer game so the interface needed adjustment for a very long time
fresh bane
Yeah I think games like Project Zomboid are still on early access because at the time it was just the thing you do and you could get away with a lot because hey it's early access!
gaunt marten
Scam early access still happens but people got wise enough to not give it success
visual hill
slim thorn
except Star Citizen, but that's a whole other thing
random steppe
Wasn't there a big update that was coming for it?
fresh bane
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUt8Z8mkI-g
Oh cool, a Holstin-like
I just remembered I need to finish that demo and fill out that google form the devs put at the end 
river veldt
i remember dayz
fresh bane
I think it's a cute way of gathering info on what kind of stuff people like and what mechanics or other things people may not like too much
river veldt
what happened to dayz
fresh bane
Nothing it's still there, it's a standalone game now instead of being an arma mod
gaunt marten
It diezed
strong pebble
Who is excited 💙💙
river veldt
for what
little badger
What's this about a new Sonic game?
It’s been rumoured to be announced at the state of play in 2 minutes.
river veldt
OH YEAH
green fulcrum
Starting in under a minute
little badger
green fulcrum
That would be the DREAM
young creek
KNACK IS BACK
river veldt
i would he down for a Generations remaster
green fulcrum
Never mind, starting in two minues, haha
river veldt
ive never played it
strong pebble
💙
little badger
Here we go
river veldt
this program contains scenes
little badger
Helldivers 2
young creek
Even more hell
little badger
green fulcrum
"Liberate the galaxy one bullet at a time" is the most American thing I have ever heard.
river veldt
hello herman
green fulcrum
Meh, first game looks so bland
green fulcrum
And the dialogue is soooooo emotionless and dry. For an opener, this is rather poor.
random steppe
The fights look very fun
strong pebble
💖💖
random steppe
For JRPGs I have a rule that there is no telling what's good or what's not before you play it
or at least I can't
The trailer of the absolute best JRPG and the worst one, look identical to me
strong pebble
🔵
river veldt
SONIC
green fulcrum
Sonic!
little badger
little badger
Can’t wait.
strong pebble
💖💖
little badger
Can I get a pipp wiggle in the chat 
green fulcrum
strong pebble
I played the first one
random steppe
I mean this game does look good TBH
Probably not my thing but it looks very unique especially for being a splatoon ripoff
green fulcrum
More Dave the Diver
strong pebble
I was thinking it's splatoon so I stopped looking
green fulcrum
...Godzilla in Dave the Diver
strong pebble
Diablo?
river veldt
Do you agree <@149966637385121792>
yeah
random steppe
I love this game
green fulcrum
Oooooo, I LIKE this
strong pebble
Diablo with less enemies?
strong pebble
Ooo
green fulcrum
I'll take a look at it
random steppe
It's truely excellent, it's out in EA but it's extremely polished
And has a ton of content
green fulcrum
Is it on Steam?
random steppe
Yes
green fulcrum
Nice!
random steppe
With EA I mean Early Access not Electronic Arts
green fulcrum
I know
astral steeple
SILENT HILL
random steppe
I wanted to be sure
Since you asked me if it was on steam I thought you misunderstood what I meant
strong pebble
Eww
fickle garnet
F2P SILENT HILL GAME?!
thorny loom
Anything interesting yet
thorny loom
F2P SILENT HILL GAME?!
Oh no
random steppe
Never trust Konami
thorny loom
Its trauma!
green fulcrum
Since you asked me if it was on steam I thought you misunderstood what I meant
I just wanted to make sure, mainly.
random steppe
This looks like SH2 remake
thorny loom
It is
random steppe
Loosk surprisingly comptetent, but also, never trust Konami until the reviews are out
thorny loom
I see their definitly taking REmake 2 style of gameplay
green fulcrum
That metal theme in the trailer is pretty cool
random steppe
This feels Bioshock-y
green fulcrum
VERY Bioshock-y
thorny loom
Oh yeah. This is the not bioshock infinite game
green fulcrum
Oh...is this Metro?
fresh bane
I took psychic damage from those SH trailers
random steppe
VR metro
thorny loom
VR game
thorny loom
HANd
random steppe
VR so not interested personally
thorny loom
strong pebble
I took psychic damage from those SH trailers
I didn't even want to look
random steppe
But hope it's good for those that play that
strong pebble
These games are all messed up
green fulcrum
Not a VR guy either, but this is one of those games that would definitely fit for it.
rancid herald
is there a state of play going on?
green fulcrum
Ooooo, this looks cool
little badger
Been looking forward to this.
green fulcrum
Are you ahead?
thorny loom
green fulcrum
Odd, I'm watching on Twitch, which is usually the one that's ahead
little badger
Odd, I'm watching on Twitch, which is usually the one that's ahead
It has difficulty settings. So it’s like dark souls but with options to make it easier if you wish
green fulcrum
Wrong reply?
green fulcrum
More horror
little badger
Wrong reply?
I meant that for you but the replies were glitching on my screen
random steppe
makes sense
white phoenix
ds2
little badger
Probably just a ps5/pc port
Got leaked a while back
green fulcrum
Kojima game
thorny loom
Nanomachines son
fresh bane
Oh fuck it's Kojumbo
random steppe
DS2 I assume
strong pebble
This is all horrors
thorny loom
Splinters.
random steppe
Death Stranding is not horror, it's more like weird as fuck
little badger
I’d say this will either be still in development or will release by the end of the year.
thorny loom
Do you ever get the PT easter egg in your playthrough gen
random steppe
I never played PT so I don't know
thorny loom
random steppe
I'm not actually even fazed by the small man
thorny loom
Smoll
little badger
Smol
random steppe
I'm getting used to Kojima bullshit
thorny loom
Kojima games are just movies with occasional gameplay
little badger
How big do we think the map will be compared to the last game.
random steppe
Is this Death Stranding Japan? Or Europe?
strong pebble
Can we get a happy and cool and fast game
thorny loom
Can we get a happy and cool and fast game
Demon souls remake is allegedly part of this’ll
Battle droids.
fresh bane
Oh god it's the joker
strong pebble
You should watch on youtube not twitch
thorny loom
Baby ninja
random steppe
Ok no, I'm not actually used to Kojima buillshit
thorny loom
On the beach lol.
green fulcrum
Why is this trailer so long, Jesus
fresh bane
Because Kojumbo
thorny loom
Its a kojima game
little badger
green fulcrum
COME ON, every time we think it ends, it keeps going!
strong pebble
If next game is dark and scary then idk
thorny loom
Bb28?
light gate
What is even this game?
little badger
2025
green fulcrum
Finally
random steppe
lol
thorny loom
Lmao hi kojima
fresh bane
Oh don't worry GT, we literally don't even know what's happening even with all we saw
little badger
The game will be much bigger than the trailer.
thorny loom
I do look forward to whatever’s he plans to make to surpass metal gear
random steppe
Yeah I feel like kojima can show literally any amount of cutscene and I'd still have no idea about what the game is about
And I have a whole another game of context to base myself on but no, still nothing, still lost
thorny loom
“we will give you money to make this work”
green fulcrum
I get it, Kojima's cool and has a lot of great ideas, but why are they spending soooooooo much time on him for every stream event like this?
thorny loom
Ugh. Part 2
little badger
Next state of play February 6th
random steppe
This is Kojima when he is the boss and there is none at the company that can tell him no...
For better and for worse
strong pebble
river veldt
oh was the trailer for Death Stranding 2
white phoenix
state of plays are generally the shorter ones
random steppe
What else could have been
white phoenix
they said before that it was going to be around 40 minutes anyway
green fulcrum
A few bland games, a few VR games, a couple of decent games, a Sonic game remaster, and then 10 full minutes of Kojima?
fresh bane
Easily the most interesting thing from that whole thing was DS2 and the new action espionage kojima game
little badger
A few bland games, a few VR games, a couple of decent games, a Sonic game remast...
Part 2 could be the Spider-Man DLC and others.
white phoenix
But didn't they say it was going to focus on ff7
white phoenix
Yeah 
random steppe
That's their next big release so it makes sense
thorny loom
I suppose
light gate
Clearly there is a huge drought of games now that 2023 came and went.
strong pebble
Rate the event from 0 to 100
thorny loom
70
gaunt marten
B
random steppe
Also they did just release a Spiderman and a God of War in 2023 so their 2 big studious are on "cooldown" so to speak
white phoenix
Sony always says what they're generally going to show and how long it is in an article before and in the description and yet people still get hyped up for nothing
strong pebble
I think maybe 65
thorny loom
Also they did just release a Spiderman and a God of War in 2023 so their 2 big s...
If anything they’ll just do pc ports for those two
light gate
Sony always says what they're generally going to show and how long it is in an a...
Because people just want to see “title a” on the event.
random steppe
No Silksong = 0
light gate
Silksong is canned honestly
white phoenix
The chat was asking for spider man dlc lol
gaunt marten
Silksong is canon
random steppe
Nah it'll come out, I have zero doubts about it
gaunt marten
You're canned
random steppe
I have no idea when
light gate
random steppe
But it'll come
little badger
Also they did just release a Spiderman and a God of War in 2023 so their 2 big s...
Ghost of Tsushima 2 will probably be announced in the summer.
random steppe
Could be
gaunt marten
We've seen enough teaser content that it would still be a pretty okay game if released in that state
fickle garnet
Rate the event from 0 to 100
80
strong pebble
Maybe you guys like horrors
light gate
And honestly if Prime 4 doesn’t get revealed this year, that will be canned in my book.
gaunt marten
I like games that don't get featured on big events
And so games that get featured on big events don't qualify
random steppe
I am not especially interested in horror games
I can play them if there is one I really like but it's not a big factor for me for or against a game
fickle garnet
Maybe you guys like horrors
I do
light gate
But yeah, two nothing burgers.
river veldt
i want Mina the Hollower and i want it now !
fresh bane
Oh god the F2P SH game is available NOW
sour hill
Does that mean silent hill?
sour hill
fresh bane
The awful one about bullying
sour hill
I'm sure it will be an excellent addition to the franchise
light gate
I just hope more indie games arrive on consoles honestly.
fresh bane
God I have so much to say but I don't want to be a bummer or go on a rant
light gate
I mean its clear gaming has reached the highest peak. Game development is way too expensive, time consuming, and stressful for devs. I think its time to size down.
random steppe
I am very curious to see how will Silent Hill 2 remake will fare.
To remake a game you must understand said game intimately and I don't belive that modern Konami can remake that game without fucking it up.
fresh bane
That remake trailer looked so fucking bad...
light gate
I mean its Konami
fresh bane
It legitimately looked like a modded game, and why did they do a whole montage of James being cool action hero man showing off the gunplay?
strong pebble
Did you see the four legs connected together
white phoenix
Lol silent hill is being re6'd
fresh bane
The game looked like Bloober was trying really hard to do RE2R and it shows, and then the other game looked like Konami just tried to grab a dev studio and tell them to make PT since Kojima isn't around anymore
random steppe
Well, if you remake it, making it so the game feels good to play is not a bad choice IMO.
sour hill
I am very curious to see how will Silent Hill 2 remake will fare.
To remake a ga...
I don't wanna be that guy who says something will be garbage without knowing anything about it, but it'll be garbage
fresh bane
That's a whole subjective opinion, I don't think any of what I said necessarily translates to ''make the game play good''
light gate
What does that even mean too lol
thorny loom
It looks a lot like REmake 2
random steppe
I'll wait until it comes out.
I selfishly hope it'll be garbage because it'll be garbage in very interesting and engaging ways that will be very fun to see explained in a video essay for example
If it's good it'll be boring for me
thorny loom
Which could he either a good thing or a bad thing
random steppe
My thesis is that Konami doesn't understand Silent Hill so they can't remake it effectively, we'll see if that's correct when that comes out of if I'll have to eat my words
gaunt marten
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGNTYOuCF4U
I forgot this game existed
The real crash 4
thorny loom
Oh god
random steppe
I'm open to be proven wrong, Konami would still b shit but they could have hired people that actually know what they are doing, who knows
thorny loom
I remember that game
sour hill
Silent Hill 2 balances a lot of things very delicately which makes that game work, and I do not trust that that will be preserved. It doesn't need a remake and it doesn't need anything about it changed
thorny loom
Had the most random voice acting choices for the villans
gaunt marten
It's the only good crash game out of the original trilogy
fresh bane
What does that even mean too lol
I don't know if you're asking me or someone else but what I essentially mean is that the RE2R style or the change in gameplay style doesn't inherently translate to ''they made the game feel good to play'', and really what I originally said was mostly that a Silent Hill game shouldn't have a gunplay montage with epic rock music because it's super not what that franchise is about at all
gaunt marten
I mean that the original trilogy is all good and this game is good too but no other crash games
(I haven't played the newest one though)
random steppe
I understand making a trailer with mostly that stuff because it's probably easier to sell it to modern audience, the gameplay did look good at least.
But yeah, it could have the best gunplay ever made, and still be a terrible silent hill game
How good the gunplay is, is at best tangential to that
fresh bane
No no, it's not about how good or bad the gunplay is, it's the focus on it at all
sour hill
But yeah, it could have the best gunplay ever made, and still be a terrible sile...
I mean that might be cool but at that point why not just make a new entry to the series? The silent Hill 2 story has already been told well
random steppe
The focus I don't mind, as I said, it's good trailer stuff if you want to sell the game to a playstation crowd
What's good about Silent Hill can't really be put into a trailer anyway
fresh bane
I mean that might be cool but at that point why not just make a new entry to the...
Because moneeeyyy
Because Resident Evil did the remakes so we have to do those too
sour hill
The focus I don't mind, as I said, it's good trailer stuff if you want to sell t...
I mean it can, but the marketing department won't want you to
fresh bane
And to their credit, there are a lot of new entries being worked on, they just aren't talking about them
Remember, SH:f is supposed to be the new main entry
But they're working on like 6 different games all at once so it's just this unfocused mess
random steppe
I actually think it's nice when they remake games in a more moden key so young people can experience them without the limitations of playing an old game.
As long as they remake them well
random steppe
Hell I will even take new takes on the concept as long as they are good games
sour hill
Yeah I think (most) of the resident evil remakes have been fantastic
resident evil 2 remake is badass
fresh bane
3 was fine...
fresh bane
I have my fair share of criticisms about 2remake but that's also one of the holy grails of gaming so you can't say anything negative about it even though they may be absolutely fair criticisms especially for a remake of a game
4 is fantastic though, that one yeah
(and remake 1 is still perfect and peak)
sour hill
I have my fair share of criticisms about 2remake but that's also one of the holy...
I pinkie promise I won't mail you pipe bombs. When I said I would that one time it was a joke
fresh bane
I don't wanna get too in depth into it because I wasn't really planning on doing it, I just think it's not a great remake of the original game and I think just like with 3 that it's just a new game that loosely takes aspects from the original
The reason I love RE4R so much is that it's the one game from this new line of the 'remake timeline' that takes the most aspects from the original and in a lot of them I think it significantly improves them
I think Ashley for example is a vast improvement from her original version and she's adorable 
slim thorn
I still think 2RE is better than 2 
fresh bane
That's fine, I think 2RE is still fantastic and I think despite me being a boomer at heart it does a good job at translating core aspects of survival horror games into a format of games that a more modern audience is familiar with and I'm glad a lot of people enjoyed it
but at the same time I think it doesn't really resemble the original RE2 that much and it's not a good remake
slim thorn
so about fixed cameras
gaunt marten
I love fixed camera so much and I think there doesn't have to be a choice
You can make a good game with fixed camera angles but the player is allowed switch to a normal camera
slim thorn
oh well I wasn't actually going to go into it, but
both fixed and dynamic cameras require a lot of fine-tuning to do well
and often designing your rooms with them in mind
so I understand it's not really viable in most games to offer both, without one of them being objectively bad
unlike, say, key bindings
gaunt marten
You're right but I'm mad that you are
fresh bane
As comically upset as I can get sometimes I really just get 'mad' because I don't like people implying that fixed camera is somehow a downgrade or outdated when it's just a different format of game that I personally feel should co-exist alongside the more modern format of games
But at the same time that also is a broader more general issue with AAA games, at least to me, feeling standardized and never really daring to do anything different from what the other AAA games are doing so they'd be too scared to do a new main entry fixed camera RE game because modern people would go ''wtf is this shit it's like a ps1 gaem!!11''
slim thorn
which is part of why I love pointing out that just about every modern game uses some fixed angles, when it feels like it
what is outdated is using nothing but fixed angles all the time because the hardware can't do anything dynamic
fresh bane
I just think they're neat, I like them and I appreciate them and I think they should exist alongside the newer formats
Unfortunately though Flitter you can't really design a game to use BOTH types of cameras, it just doesn't work that way
slim thorn
even Signalis has fixed angle cameras that pan as you walk around, which I believe none of (original) RE1-3 had? (though CV did)
fresh bane
You probably could but it would be a very bad implementation and a game should be designed with one in mind to squeeze all the potential any of the two formats could have
river veldt
did Bloober team make the uh
the game where the baby runs into the wall and Jerma almost died
fresh bane
Signalis uses more of a general top view angle, Metal Gear style
It's not quite fixed camera
I mean it is but
You know
slim thorn
not in the spooky sense where you get dutch angles every few screens
Silent Hill 2 is of course still my go-to example of using a lot of fixed angles well alongside a default dynamic camera
random steppe
Had to go to remind myself what Bloober team was, I have no idea but I played a lil bit of The Medium and it was okay
Got bored relatively fast tho
sour hill
Silent Hill 2 is of course still my go-to example of using a lot of fixed angles...
I think I've heard of that one
slim thorn
navigating all that fog outdoors with only fixed angles would've sucked lol
fresh bane
And what I almost always say whenever the extremely valid argument of ''fully static fixed cameras are bad because they can get in the way and be confusing and disorienting a lot of times'' is that a game can have fixed dynamic camera, like Silent Hill, Dino Crisis, Haunted Grounds
slim thorn
sorry, we've hit a critical mass of vagueness now; what does "fixed dynamic" mean exactly?
sour hill
Oh you know
river veldt
the game where the baby runs into the wall and Jerma almost died
LOL they are https://youtu.be/4Q24i42IcUE?feature=shared
sour hill
Hell yeah go bloober
random steppe
To be fair, in Survival horror in particular I kind of hope that fully fixed camera games never come back
Or rather, if they do I'll probably skip on them.
For how much good they were at the time, having an enemy you can't see because they are behind a corner is scary the first 3 times, and just annoying after
slim thorn
yeah, 100% fixed was only the standard for a time because of hardware limitations
gaunt marten
what _is_ outdated is using nothing but fixed angles all the time because the ha...
No I want the clunky fixed angle feel. Games intentionally avoid that and I hate it
I want rooms that are difficult to decipher because of the unusual camera angle
Stuff like Final Fantasy 7 and 8
slim thorn
I do like the idea of a game doing that on purpose if it's designed around the camera being an obstacle, but that's different from "this angle was just badly chosen and it's obnoxious"
sour hill
I'm not sure I've ever played a game like that
random steppe
That's my own thing, to be clear, if you like them it's 100% fine but they do annoy me
slim thorn
also, if my experience playing all these old horror games is anything to go by...
when a game is 100% fixed angles, they never get every single angle right, there's always a few rooms where the angle is just obviously bad in a way that detracts from the experience
fresh bane
sorry, we've hit a critical mass of vagueness now; what does "fixed dynamic" mea...
I came up with that term on my own completely so it's probably not great, but pretty much what Code Veronica did
Fixed dynamic just means that you can't quite fully control the camera, it's not free look, but it's also not 100% static like RE1-2-3, the camera can and does move around and pan as you move
random steppe
Most games do it right 99% of the time, but every old RE or Dino Crisis has "THAT ONE FUCKING ROOM"
slim thorn
oh the dolly shots
river veldt
Stuff like Final Fantasy 7 and 8
omg i haated that in FFVII
slim thorn
In cinematography, a tracking shot is any shot where the camera follows backward, forward or moves alongside the subject being recorded. [...] Often the camera is mounted on a camera dolly which rides on rails similar to a railroad track; in this case, the shot is referred to as a dolly shot.
for those who don't know the term
fresh bane
Silent Hill 1's alleyway shot is probably still my favourite example of what the dynamic camera can do, and it's always been one of the big highlights of the SH franchise and just in gaming in general
I also agree that Silent Hill mixes and implements both pretty well, I think that there's a lot of great shots you can do with a fixed camera on a town, RE3 has some good ones, but for the most part you can just make it a general third person camera that follows you around while you're outside and switch to fixed when you're indoors
slim thorn
I'm not sure if it's technically correct to apply it to a video game camera moving in that same way, but it's the only precise term I know of that picks out the thing Code Veronica's camera can do that RE1-3 cannot and most modern game cameras are way more flexible than
gaunt marten
omg i haated that in FFVII
I fucking love it
river veldt
you're an interesting critter
fresh bane
As an interesting example I do want to mention DMC5 kind of implements a fixed camera system somewhat, it's not quite it but I find it interesting
slim thorn
there may or may not be sarcasm in play
gaunt marten
I'm not sure if it's technically correct to apply it to a video game camera movi...
Crash Bandicoot is almost exclusively dolly carefully crafted dolly shots that maximize the number of polygons
river veldt
Crash Bandicoot is hard
slim thorn
oh yeah, I've never played Crash but I've seen a lot of footage of it
fresh bane
Whenever you're locked on into an enemy in DMC5 the camera will zoom out and lock into a comfortable position where you can look at all the action going on in the screen, but while you're locked in you cannot control the camera that well even if you try to move it, it will move on its own and slightly pan if you try to move it but it will just move into a different 'locked' position
Not quite the same, but an interesting example of this hybrid style
gaunt marten
Andy Gavin talks about camera optimization here
https://all-things-andy-gavin.com/video-games/making-crash/
It's a super interesting blog series from a development perspective
They talk about how they had to count polygons to ensure the camera can always be at its limit in regards to rendering, and doing tiny fine-tuning stuff to the level to ensure the game runs
river veldt
gaunt marten
No, fun fixed angles are bad in a racing game
gaunt marten
Kirby Air Ride has a fixed angle racing mode
They only do eagle eye views because of that
sour hill
I went to skim the state of play and saw there's a death stranding 2 trailer?? And it's super long! I stopped watching it so I wouldn't get spoiled too much on the game
gaunt marten
Yep
gaunt marten
I stopped when I saw the thumbnail wasn't for any console I owned
fresh bane
I went to skim the state of play and saw there's a death stranding 2 trailer?? A...
I want to say that you'll be fine because we have no clue what it's about even after the first game
sour hill
Okay I'm actually kinda curious how the sh2 remake will end up being. They showed us very little, but some of the environments looked interesting. I know that's a low bar, but c'mon we're starving here
sour hill
I want to say that you'll be fine because we have no clue what it's about even a...
Oh I do not mean story spoilers, I mean showing-too-much-cool-shit-at-once spoilers
I don't remember most of the key plot points of death stranding 1 and I beat that game
fresh bane
Oh, well it does actually have a lot of cool shit
fresh bane
It does look really good 
sour hill
I'm gonna keep my expectations realistic, but I do think that game has the potential to knock it out of the park
Perhaps even be the greatest strand-type game yet
river veldt
I don't remember most of the key plot points of death stranding 1 and I beat tha...
do you like bb's theme
sour hill
do you like bb's theme
Yes
sour hill
Well this one's gonna be a *string* like game
Holy shit.
river veldt
i love BB he's so cute
chilly mural
river veldt
<a:ohyeahwooyeah:652721698273230878>
i saw this in a mobile ad once and i think it was used to activate sleeper agents
chilly mural
the time has arrived Captain mario, bom-omb battlefield awaits
fresh bane
Holy shit.
They did show some gameplay and some new gizmos and gadgets and stuff but for the most part we still don't know much and haven't seen much
It's just a particularly long trailer
sour hill
As a kid I always called them bom-ombs only to find out that they're actually bob-bombs 
fresh bane
with || A FUCKING ROBOT NINJA BABY MECH THING FIGHTING A GUY WITH AN ELECTRIC GUITAR WEAPON LIKE DANTE ||
and it's the fucking coolest
sour hill
with || A FUCKING ROBOT NINJA BABY MECH THING FIGHTING A GUY WITH AN ELECTRIC GU...
So I caved and watched pretty much all of it and yeah that was great
sour hill
Game looks so cool
fresh bane
The ones who get it get it
I'm actually really excited for it because I've been wanting to play Death Stranding but everytime I already experience a game once I'm kind of eeh on doing it again
I don't really replay games even if I love them, so I'm looking forward to it (even though I don't own a PS5 
)
sour hill
My favorite bit was actually the ventriloquist dummy gizmo doodad
fresh bane
he's animated with a lower framerate like stop motion too
sour hill
I know it's so weird haha
fresh bane
(and he's on strings )
sour hill
STRINGS
fresh bane
String-like
sour hill
fresh bane
Genius kojumbo
river veldt
i saw this in a mobile ad once and i think it was used to activate sleeper agent...
im sorry to say i cant find it
sour hill
Game has a coherently told story: I sleep
Game has lots of references to [thing]: real shit??
fresh bane
Subtext is for cowards says Kojima
sour hill
Outstanding move, I cannot wait to play
fresh bane
Just watching the starting first few minutes of the Silent Hill f2p game thingy
It's actually really awful
green fulcrum
As in "bad game", or "God, this story makes me feel awful"?
fresh bane
As in it's so laughably extremely badly written that it's actually baffling
Like, right out the gates
green fulcrum
Welp.
fresh bane
It's so extremely on the nose and heavy handed and so not subtle at all it's actually not even funny
It's not even ''it's not as good as the first few silent hill games'' this is just bad in general
Someone else said it and I kind of agree it kind of feels like a parody lol
fresh bane
Just finished it, holy fucking shit this game is actually offensively bad and actively harmful
flint iron
I watched someone stream it right when it released and oh boy
It was pretty corny in the bad way, felt like a Dhar Mann episode
fresh bane
No, I refuse to describe that as corny, corny is great, this is just actually awful, no hyperbole
I can't even bring myself to joke or not be straight to the point, it's just terrible
white phoenix
didn't expect anything less from konami
flint iron
Yeah the gameplay was a walking simulator too
fresh bane
It's not even a good walking simulator, it's actually just absolutely nothing and it's not even good at doing that
flint iron
I hope this style doesn't carry on to future Silent Hill installments
Because I made the fatal mistake of having pretty good expectations when I heard a short Silent Hill game was out
fresh bane
All the other Silent Hill games are being developed by independent studios, this one was actually developed in-house by Konami themselves
flint iron
No way 
weak river
Sounds like a fun time.
fresh bane
Literally the only good thing about the game is that it's free but even that isn't good enough
They should be paying you for playing through that thing
strong pebble
The game from the show?
fresh bane
No, the game from the PS thing was SH2R, this one didn't ever get marketed or announced
It just got announced and shadowdropped today
harsh kestrel
I beat Sonic Superstars a bit ago, and it's one hell of a game, definitely starts getting trippy near the end, some of the bosses pissed me off for sure, and the final boss practically nearly gives me a heart attack, and extremely annoyed me considering if you finish the first phase of the fight and die in the second half of it, you have to start it all over again. Despite my frustrations, I genuinely enjoyed my time with it. One hell of an experience and a good return to form in 2D for Sonic. Now to wait and see if Sonic x Shadow Generations is gonna be worth a damn lol
wind stump
bro i barely cleared the first dungeon, i don't wanna fight a dragon 
static bluff
wind stump
the last town i was in had a djinn turn everyone into ghosts so ngl
i think this world in general is fucked
o.
great, now i feel like an idiot for buying 1 or 2 of the damn things
christ alive i might need to pay attention to areas too
i already missed Blizzard before the first boss (Weak to ice cus he casted fire)
thorny loom
christ alive i might need to pay attention to areas too
i already missed Blizzar...
Theres always the second run
thorny loom
Twitter
gaunt marten
You finally got it
dire gate
OpenRCT2 making Rainbow Valley significantly easier
I cannot even dare imagine how much harder it would have been if I used vanilla RCT1
arctic fern
I haven't tried open rct2 yet, I know i should
dire gate
Honestly I learned a lot of exploits from RCT streamers/youtubers so I cheesed a lot
i.e. microcoasters
And marketing
The two most broken things in the entire game
arctic fern
Marcel vos is a gem
gaunt marten
Marketing is not an exploit it's just a feature
dire gate
Marcel def taught me a lot
Yes but it is way too powerful to the point that if you know that it exists it breaks scenario so hardcore
You can literally pump a few hundred people from it
gaunt marten
But the game is basically designed with it being used
I used marketing all the time in the vanilla game, but I didn't know that you didn't really have to market strategically to get a good result so I over thought everything
dire gate
I was checking if there was any non-custom scenario in RCT1 that banned marketing, it seems there is are two scenarios in the first expansion pack
Marketing is def in a weird position, it is extremely overpowered to the point that it makes many scenarios quite trivial, but also all scenarios are pretty well balanced that you actually don't even have to touch it at all
dire gate
I was checking if there was any non-custom scenario in RCT1 that banned marketin...
*Plus four scenarios with infinite money enabled
Anyway time to move to the first expansion of RCT1: Added Attraction(Corkscrew Follies)
Oh lord it has Harmonic Hills, Fiasco Forest and Pickle Park
gaunt marten
Rollercoaster Tycoon 1 has great scenarios in comparison to 2
But 2 has better features
Which is why it was wonderful to see them backported to the 1 scenarios
dire gate
RCT2 expansion has terrible scenarios
visual hill
Just for fun!
gaunt marten
They're great concepts but poorly executed
visual hill
congrats for finishing it, I have yet to beat one scenario
visual hill
Marketing is not an exploit it's just a feature
like in real life?
gaunt marten
Yeah
gaunt marten
congrats for finishing it, I have yet to beat one scenario
You should beat Forest Frontier. It's short and sweet
visual hill
yeah, I'm on that one IIRC
gaunt marten
It takes about 45-90 minutes
dire gate
I have to admit that I used OpenRCT2 feature that enables you to clear scenario as soon as you fulfill the condition
I didn't want to play for like 4 hours just to wait for the time limit
arctic fern
Good feature
quiet swift
arctic fern
Lol
gaunt marten
This headline is dumb
Tags are basically what customers apply to games. Valve does not add new tags on demand
You can though
quiet swift
...That's kinda implied in the "and needs your help" part of it, ya know.
gaunt marten
Yeah, but the headline is basically misrepresenting the situation as some sort of petition to Valve
quiet swift
Nah, does seem like a tongue in cheek petition that they made
Yknow. Reading more than the headline helps
gaunt marten
I did read the article. I'm complaining that the headline is bad, not that the article is bad.
arctic fern
You mean you can't get the whole context of an article from just the headline? SMH what is modern news coming to
gaunt marten
What?
gaunt marten
Yeah I figured it was sarcasm but I didn't get it
dire gate
Those dwarves, rude as always, thinking they are special or something /j
dire gate
@wind stump have you checked this game? Probably not because it's a PS5 exclusive
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6XYHiBxkvk
