They've made games previously, but they were built with premade assets that they purchased online. (Pretty common thing to do, especially for small studios)
#general gaming
mossy flume
fresh bane
There absolutely are a ton of people on the internet malding about this game
random steppe
Eh, maybe.
mossy flume
It's a very good game
random steppe
Seems okay
mossy flume
I've had a ton of fun
quiet swift
A lot of the malding comes from how 'copied' some monsters are, I think, so there's probably lots calling it a ripoff
mossy flume
There absolutely are a ton of people on the internet malding about this game
They do this for anything vaguely popular.
mossy flume
Can I commit a Manechat crime?
random steppe
I'll allow it
green fulcrum
I think the meme means gameplay-wise
random steppe
Gameplay wise is nothing like pokemon
mossy flume
It's more Ark than Pokemon
random steppe
It's not an upgrade on pokemon, it's like a whole different genre
Unless wait, I am actually not up to date with pokemon games
Did they ever release a real time pokemon game spinoff?
random steppe
Interesting
hasty patio
I was jokingly going to say Go.
random steppe
lol
mossy flume
Heh
quiet swift
mossy flume
Ther's also Pokken Tournament if you want to stretch it
hasty patio
And now Sleep, but you don't get to experience the time gap.
mossy flume
Also Pokemon Rumble and the Pokemon MOBA
random steppe
Looking at it, the fight is still turn based
strong pebble
https://i.redd.it/x73mca7xmqdc1.jpeg
I think this is true
random steppe
In Acerus
random steppe
I was curious so I pulled up a youtube thing
mossy flume
And you need to actively move yourself aeround
hasty patio
The ball throwing bit is real-time, but the game has a number of turn-based battle stuff you know.
hasty patio
You leave my internet browser alone.
random steppe
The flamethrower fox is pretty good
hasty patio
Some of the PalDex entries are up there with newer Pokemon getting weird entries.
random steppe
That's really funny
hasty patio
And unlike Pokemon, that can certainly be arranged.
mossy flume
Also just drags stuff behind him rather than picking it up properly when transporting objects
But yeah, the dex entries for them are interesting
quiet swift
strong pebble
https://www.techradar.com/gaming/pc-gaming/ara-history-untold-will-let-the-playe...
This is the kind of game I'm the worst at
But I'm the best at racing
gaunt marten
Twitter
light gate
Who is Hbomberguy?
gaunt marten
At press time Pocket Pair says that should Nintendo’s legal team also get involved they have lawyers equal to Nintendo’s but with guns.
mossy flume
I love Hard Drive.
gaunt marten
First I have to preface this with "The Hard Drive is a satirical publication."
Hbomberguy is a YouTuber who recently got a lot of attention for exposing plagiarism.
random steppe
```At press time Pocket Pair says that should Nintendo’s legal team also get inv...
This might be one of the funniest possible jokes about the whole thing, this writer at the publication is really good
gaunt marten
It's great
fresh bane
river veldt
he has a yt channel ?
proud warren
Hideo Mystery?
mossy flume
I would absolutely love it if he did lectures on game design
river veldt
Hideo Mystery?
im imagining he gets his friends together and they go on Scooby Doo mysteries together
feral tulip
this is probably the dumbest godamn line in the ace attorney series
rotund forge
I've heard dumber in Layton games and I love it
feral tulip
ik the context here is pheonix needed to stall for time
but responding with this to "a bellboy guy with a bunch of stitches on his face is suspicious"
is kinda absurd
glossy narwhal
Classic Wright's attempt at stalling
feral tulip
mfer acted like he was had
mossy flume
Phoenix is the king of bullshitting
dire gate
I mean to be fair he kind of has a point
feral tulip
no he doesnt
all baseballs have stitches, people do not usually have stitches across their face
proud warren
it's a very, very stupid point
weak river
He won a case by cross-examining a parrot once. Wright has extensive experience in making no sense.
dire gate
Yes but also people having stitch isn't exactly a perfect proof for being suspicious
feral tulip
This is what the guy looks like btw
its not standard looking stitches nor in a normal place
dire gate
Honestly from how people look like in AA world I won't be too surprised if that guy was actually just normal
feral tulip
yeah fair tbh
tbh it is pheonixs attempt to mislead as hes seen this dude and knows its de killer
river veldt
what the fuck happened to him
river veldt
that chicken looks succulent
feral tulip
fun fact! hes the only killer in the entire series to have never been caught
dire gate
Briar going to spoiler the entire last trial of AA2 /j
feral tulip
lel
rotund forge
ik the context here is pheonix needed to stall for time
I would have said something like: So you're saying all people with stitches are suspicious?"
feral tulip
its funnier when his fake name is John Doe
weak river
what the fuck happened to him
He was a beta tester for Hunt Down the Freeman.
Quite frankly, it's a miracle that he's even alive.
feral tulip
which is like totally a real name someone would have in AA
river veldt
He was a beta tester for Hunt Down the Freeman.
Quite frankly, it's a miracle th...
i wouldnt wish this on my worst enemy
rotund forge
"What about people who have been in terrible accidents? Seems highly suspicious to you?"
weak river
Also, congratulatory celebration day, Flameon.
rotund forge
He won a case by cross-examining a parrot once. Wright has extensive experience ...
*twice
Laughs in AA and Layton crossover
feral tulip
some of the later names i feel like are a bit ridiculous
one guys name is "Pees'lubn Andistan'dhin"
White Jesus lookin ass
weak river
I've personally always felt that all bets were off once we reached "April May".
feral tulip
April May is a real name tbf
dire gate
I appreciate how hard they tried to translate every name with the weird vibe that original names have
feral tulip
Lotta Hart is also real good
dire gate
Unfortunately because of their effort, I cannot recognize AA characters' name in English
feral tulip
cant forget Acro and his brother Bat
rotund forge
My personal favorite is from the crossover I mentioned. The guilty person is named Kira, and she was the one to "kill" 2 thieves (not really but that's explained later)
Kira is Japanese for murderer
feral tulip
its a common name in anime to give killers
jojo, death note, etc
cant forget "Luke Atmey"
rotund forge
They even mention it in the bonus content of the game, The characters in universe talking about the creation of their game lol
rotund forge
cant forget "Luke Atmey"
That's great
feral tulip
one guys name is "Pees'lubn Andistan'dhin"
cant forget Beh'leeb Inmee and Tahrust Inmee
tbh my favorite names in the series are Mimi and her sister Ini
Ini Miney and Mimi Miney
proud warren
these sound like names you'd give to a criminal database if you were a chronic liar
feral tulip
they just needa brother named moe
also a great name thats not quite a pun is Herlock Sholmes
dire gate
That isn't even a creation by AA
feral tulip
ye ik
dire gate
Fun fact, he is straight up just Sherlock Holmes in JP version.
They changed his name in English due to, iirc, copyright
river veldt
is Sherlock Holmes not public domain
river veldt
strange
feral tulip
also my fav killer is still def ||Acro||
dire gate
wow spoiler
feral tulip
the case sucks ass but the killer being ||a disabled native american man who killed the wrong person on accident is pretty rad||
dude the game is older than most of us here
dire gate
Well Ixrec just finished AA2 this month
feral tulip
fair enough
but still
they made the dude in a wheelchair live on the 3rd floor
😭
flint iron
How long is the spoiler period for any media
dire gate
8 Millenia
feral tulip
darth vader is lukes father
light gate
damn
flint iron
Dangit I can only live 7 millenia
random steppe
You should definitely spoil that, AA games released on Steam only a few years ago
rancid herald
it'll probably be like 30 to 40 years before holmes is all in public domain
random steppe
Lots of people never really went through them because nintendo
random steppe
feral tulip
but larrys mom being a nun whos also named Bikini is so bizzare to me
feral tulip
no i mean shes the only one named that
i misread the wiki page of characters
and misread one of the names as a nameification of "deceased"
that would be so fucked up
rancid herald
what
dire gate
but larrys mom being a nun whos also named Bikini is so bizzare to me
It's not a serious statement, she's not his mother
feral tulip
shrug
he says so which takes the otehrs aback
but thats the only ref to it ever
also Mias name also being a pun is always urghh
Mia Fey
MIA
the best not explcitly pun name is still def detectibve gumshoe
all 3 if his names mean detective
dick is a common name / thing to refer to a detecive as, and gumshoe is as well
dire gate
Again, massive respect to the localization team
feral tulip
NOT AGAIN PHEONIX
weak river
Mia Fey
MIA
I've never made this connection before, and now I have to live with this knowledge forever.
Thank you.
feral tulip
np lmao
rotund forge
If I like Layton games and the crossover, would I like AA?
rancid herald
footballs are pretty sus
feral tulip
probably!
it doesnt have puzzles like the crossover / Layton does but its def got alot of the same spirit
also another great name contender
rancid herald
I mean, what sort of sick ball is actually football shaped?
feral tulip
a cop named Dustin Prince
feral tulip
If I like Layton games and the crossover, would I like AA?
the first AA games are alot simpler but alot of the modern ones have alot of cool gameplay variety
like the great ace attorney series and one of the newer ones have the multiple witness testimoney at a time which is coolz
rotund forge
If I'm gonna pick up a game that has story, chances are I'm gonna try to start from the beginning. But there is no way in tartarus I'm doing that so maybe I'll just pick one and go from there. maybe watch a lore recap lolol
feral tulip
Tbh id reccomend watching a playthru of the first trilogy
the rest from there playing is alot more engaging
the ace attorney chronicles is being released on the switch soon
or already? idk
the jump to 3d was reallly strong for AA
rotund forge
Oh dear
feral tulip
altho the first trilogy is up on steam and switch remastered so it would still be worthg playing
altho suprisingly the psyche locks, the main mechanic of the series, isnt even in the first game
mossy flume
I love that AA never stopped being over the top
dire gate
Oh yeah AJ trilogy is releasing in like 3 days right?
mossy flume
Yep
rotund forge
I haven't seen much outside the crossover, but my favorite piece of music is from the AJ trilogy
*from the AA series that is
feral tulip
its def a series to get invested in
also if you wanna boost it with pony theres an extremely good crossover video series
river veldt
when will Phoenix and Miles kiss
feral tulip
Yes
rotund forge
also if you wanna boost it with pony theres an extremely good crossover video se...
I know about turnabout storm
Still mustering up the time, energy, and fortitude to watch it some day
rotund forge
Phoenix x Mia forever 
feral tulip
she dead sowwy
sour hill
I always thought the PaPa beanie went hard
feral tulip
context for thumbnail: after the first games release they were made aware of the very strong fandom around miles and pheonix, and tried to lean into it more in the further games
plus the main artist of the series is a yaoi artist
river veldt
YAOI WINS
rotund forge
you see that makes me NOT want to play...
feral tulip
why?
rotund forge
Idk, it doesn't seem like Phoenix is the queer type
rotund forge
whatever you say
feral tulip
even his english va makes jokes ab it and miles'
especially in the dub bloopers
like sure hc what u want but u dont gotta be weird ab it when others do :P
dire gate
you see that makes me NOT want to play...
The game itself is not really gay, so you can have your own interpretation
feral tulip
yea lol
dire gate
We straight up see Phoenix's girlfriend anyway
feral tulip
if its any consolation the girl who told em about it said that they kinda flopped on it in the followup games lolll
we do? he has a daughter but shes adopted
dire gate
In AA3
feral tulip
you mean the killer lady? or like an actual gf
dire gate
||Both; Dahlia Hawthorne shows up as his "girlfriend", and then we also see Iris who was in an actual relationship with him.||
feral tulip
well i mean in canonm they are exes soon after that
they just kinda kept him single after the timeskip
dire gate
In canon they really didn't even bother touching about the issue after that
rotund forge
Professor Layton has something in common with Phoenix: He has an adopted daughter
Well 2 technically, but one officially
dire gate
She just...exists
probably
One theory people have is that simply introducing her in a later series can be a serious spoiler of AA3 so they couldn't
feral tulip
oh my god looking at pheonixs page, and like every friend of his has the "former client" tag
bc everyone in these games have been accused of murder bc why not
feral tulip
maya herself has been accused of murder like what, 4 times already?
also i like how the first games take place in 2015ish so that mean the current games take place in 2028
2015 yet flip phones are still in style 
feral tulip
i like how they took the regional adaption and took it to lore
like the first game can convincinly be set in america, but every game after that not so much
so its built on that it takes place in an alternate history where there wasnt so much anti-asian sentiment in the us and there was alot more immigration between them
in fact its an actual plot point in the AAC where one rival character is racist against japanese
dire gate
AA is definitely one of the best localized game series I've ever seen
feral tulip
def
mossy flume
A lot of the original jokes don't translate well, so they made new ones. And they've otherwise done a great job of translating jokes.
rotund forge
maya herself has been accused of murder like what, 4 times already?
She talks with the people she's murdled
feral tulip
theres def quite a few series to watch but this is prob my fav for AA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nD-9GpQWRmI&t=3s
rotund forge
I realize it wasn't the music from the game now
This specific video. This is my favorite from what I've seen of the series
gaunt marten
assasins name is 'de killer'
I hated that case
feral tulip
i think the fact that you ||have to defend someone who is actually guilty|| is real cool
uneven epoch
id like to point out there is an aa thread, if ur into prolonged conversation about lawyers
dire gate
better than a prolonged conversation with lawyers
dire gate
As if Palworld hype will actually threaten Pokemon or something
thorny loom
If it makes Nintendo actually put more effort into the next title than im all for it
dire gate
I absolutely doubt
Even if they put more effort into the next title, I doubt it would be because of Palworld
proud warren
the doubt is high, but the results will still speak
dire gate
They probably already started the development
And let me say, even if it is about as good as ScVi, it will sell crazy unless Switch 2 flops
"Palworld sold 4mil copies in 3 days, eat shit Game Freak"
Yeah well, Pokemon SV sold 10mil copies in 3 days
proud warren
i mean tbf, it was marketed nowhere near as heavily
thorny loom
And pokemon is already a name brand
dire gate
Yes but also people act as if "Oh Palworld is making Pokemon look shit, it's doing better"
...No? They still sell pokezillion copies even if the game looks way worse
proud warren
well that's just nintendo as a whole 
thorny loom
That’s also essentially call of duty
dire gate
Not really, surprisingly some of their franchises struggle to sell
surprisingly
Pokemon in general, now I can see that
But also that just means that they probably won't feel a thing about Palworld sales
"Wow a lot of effort, we still sell more than double without any efforts, have fun ya there"
proud warren
also the fact that palworld just, spontaneously showed up, is also probably bolstering it's popularity atm
dire gate
I knew and heard about it for like
years
I am really surprised how it got this popular
proud warren
well i doubt the few million who play it currently did before it properly released
dire gate
The success of Palworld ironically proves how successful Pokemon is as a franchise
That is my conclusion after seeing the hype
proud warren
point is, palworld isn't gonna be the pokemon killer; I don't think any game will unless pokemon kills itself, but palworld is still a blow to pokemon as a whole
even if not a big one
dire gate
It isn't even like a Pokemon game
dire gate
What will they learn from it? give pokemon guns in gen 10? let players kill pokemons?
thorny loom
They can start by putting more effort into their animations
proud warren
What will they learn from it? give pokemon guns in gen 10? let players kill poke...
if the pokemon sword/shield/gun memes are to go off anything... fuck it, why not? 
/j
dire gate
They can start by putting more effort into their animations
"Polish your game more" really did not require Palworld to exist to begin with
proud warren
I'm not here to point fingers saying one is better than the other; they're very clearly different games
dire gate
That would be a slightly more powerful statement if Palworld was a "more polished Pokemon-like game"
gaunt marten
That is true. It's not popular because of how polished it is
dire gate
oof
thorny loom
The irony is they removed denuvo for this
dire gate
(About the claim that Palworld has hit the "all time record for a paid game with highest concurrent user")
gaunt marten
Oh yeah, I can see how the stats would be missing
thorny loom
Yeah part of that is steam hiding user play details by. Default now
mossy flume
(About the claim that Palworld has hit the "all time record for a paid game with...
Yeah, I mentioned that earlier
dire gate
pubg record is honestly mindblowing
mossy flume
It’s a fair mistake to make though
thorny loom
That and fortnite being why we got so many wanna be battle royales for like 5 years
mossy flume
Even if they put more effort into the next title, I doubt it would be because of...
Indeed. I doubt Palworld will be more than a vague curiosity for them. They might put more work into it by virtue of having better hardware to work with for the Switch 2, but I don’t expect too much from Game Freak. Generation 10 really needs to make a splash, but unless they’re allowed to have a development cycle longer than 3 years, I doubt they can do anything particularly meaningful with it.
Mainline games are locked to a 3 year cadence and have been for a long time now
thorny loom
Indeed. I doubt Palworld will be more than a vague curiosity for them. They migh...
If anything we may see more similar games on pc and xbox which could be interesting
mossy flume
This is likely mandated by both The Pokémon Company and Nintendo
mossy flume
If anything we may see more similar games on pc and xbox which could be interest...
Yeah I expect some new interest in the creature collecting space
Game Freak has a lot of problems going for themselves
dire gate
Also I find it so hilarious when people say "hey what if Nintendo sues Pocket Fair (Palworld developers)"
mossy flume
Yeah, it’s so dumb
There’s no copyright or IP infringement case here. People are acting as if Nintendo owns the entire concept of a creature collecting game.
dire gate
It would have happened if it was called Pokeworld
Nintendo basically don't really care about people using their game as "inspiration"
I use inspiration in quote as "basically a copycat"
gaunt marten
```At press time Pocket Pair says that should Nintendo’s legal team also get inv...
Also see this message from earlier.
mossy flume
Also, it’s misleading to say it’s a knockoff when it’s actually a different genre entirely
dire gate
Even if Palworld was a blatant copy of Pokemon, Nintendo likely wouldn't have gone for a legal action
thorny loom
Side note. I did find it amusing they used borderlands style intros for bosses
dire gate
Unless 1. They use the name "Pokemon" or 2. They straight up use the Pokemon design 1:1
thorny loom
mossy flume
And just general presentation
dire gate
Same goes to every other franchise they have
If you make a game that is so like zelda? Don't care
If you call it Zelda? You're dead
thorny loom
Adlez
dire gate
It's not even about 'copyright', people often misunderstand Nintendo's legal actions
KartRider from Nexon was such a blatant copy of Mario Kart
They just let it be
Because at least they didn't claim it as Mario
mossy flume
A great example would be Thems Fighting Herds’ development story.
It was originally just literally MLP. They got C&D’d for that.
So they became legally distinct and that’s fine despite being heavily inspired by MLP.
dire gate
I mean at least MLP doesn't have a fighting game
So the only C&D they can do is "hey don't use our characters"
mossy flume
Pokémon doesn’t have a third person resource mining and base building system in it. Or fully realtime battles.
proud warren
man now I'm sad remembering the fiasco of TFH atm 
light gate
Same
dire gate
Yeah Palworld is definitely not even close
And even if it was just a glorified Pokemon Nintendo still won't sue them
That is just it
mossy flume
Yep
It doesn’t use Nintendo’s assets or claim to use Nintendo’s brand or IP names.
So whatever
Nintendo doesn’t own genres.
proud warren
no one does (thank fuck)
mossy flume
It’s just that devs tend not to step on their turf. (Because what Nintendo does is actually pretty hard to emulate well)
dire gate
Meh, they probably own some stupid patents and stuff that lets them sue games if they are blatant copies
But they don't
That is how Nintendo's legal actions go by
They own bazillion patents
But they almost never enforce them
The only thing they protect is their own software and brand
Anyway Palworld likely won't get any legal problem
mossy flume
Correct
dire gate
idk, unless someone finds some insane proof that they used generative AI and pokemon designs to create their creature designs
Which is somehow an allegation? idfk
mossy flume
Well, the company has a history of using AI and the CEO is an outspoken advocate of using generative AI to circumvent IP protections. (He’s kinda a dick, tbh)
But even if they’ve used AI in Palworld, all the assets are very clearly finished and polished by hand. So AI would’ve just been an augmentation to their workflow and not just “use AI to make the whole game for us” nonsense.
They were clearly more interested in doing their own work in Palworld.
This is the first game where they didn’t just buy all the assets, apparently
light gate
Yet somehow it still feels like that
mossy flume
They have a dev blog post where they talk about how they spent a lot of time learning how to animate and create their own models (and hired people for this purpose and made their own 3D pipeline and all)
dire gate
I can definitely see how people are worried about the mindset of "well we can borrow stuff from other games and mix it and sell games"
mossy flume
And how much the whole game cost to make, etc
And they talk about the artist they hired who designed the Pals
dire gate
Yeah by far the worst part about the game for me is how annoying people are trying to connect it and Pokemon
dire gate
Oh I was talking in the sense of "HA GAME FREAK LOOK AT THIS AND LEARN YOU MAKE SHIT GAME" kind of connection
mossy flume
dense crypt
When doing it for the meme goes too far
young creek
i know that guy its gyarados
he is very weak to thunderbolt
always there to justify my inclusion of Pikachu
dire gate
Speaking of Palworld, here is an interesting topic for a discussion; Pocket Pair, the developer of Palworld, currently has 4 games on their steam page. Except the very first one they released in 2019, other 3 are all simultaneously in the early access state. How do yall feel about it?
slim thorn
Who is Hbomberguy?
a youtuber / video essayist, the reference here is that he recently put out a huge video detailing the plagiarism of several other youtubers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDp3cB5fHXQ
so now it's been a running joke for weeks that if you plagiarize anything hbomberguy will get you
dire gate
They have Craftopia (2020), AI: Art Imposter (2022) and Palworld (2024) all in early access right now
gaunt marten
I feel like I can't really judge whether having three games in early access simultaneously is sustainable without looking at their actual structure and rate of progress
slim thorn
cant forget "Luke Atmey"
I just met this guy yesterday
gaunt marten
He's my favorite
dire gate
They have Craftopia (2020), AI: Art Imposter (2022) and Palworld (2024) all in e...
Oh also they have yet another game planned to be released as an early access soon
gaunt marten
I definitely prefer not to buy incomplete projects
slim thorn
I've never personally engaged in early access / crowdfunded games, so I have no strong opinions about how to manage them beyond the obvious and uncontroversial stuff everyone's said in the past
a lot of games I like came out of those processes, but I never seem to hear about them (much less get around to playing them) until after they're finished
gaunt marten
Factorio was just as polished in early access as it was out of it
slim thorn
at this point it feels like someone cursed the cast and crew of this one show in particular to be abysmal at PR
quiet swift
<:rdsnrk:587780329335422977>
🎵 "Hideo killed the radio star~" 🎵
random steppe
Speaking of Palworld, here is an interesting topic for a discussion; Pocket Pair...
It really depends from their internal structure.
If they are developing all of them, perhaps two of them handled by smaller teams and having a smaller scope it makes sense.
If the other 2 have been abandoned it would depend from the circumstances of that.
If they sold really badly and it makes no economical sense for them to continue developing a game none really care about except a handful of people, I could see the reasoning.
Not sure, it is part of the risk of buying an early access game and the reason the best advice is to only buy if what is already there is worth your money
slim thorn
and given the state some games release in, that's not even EA-specific advice
random steppe
Yeah never buy promises
little badger
thorny loom
It scares me
Why lol.
little badger
random steppe
https://fxtwitter.com/dexerto/status/1749405397046231109?
I know it's funny in context, but does this make sense?
Despite some designs being pretty similar, I feel like the monsters lore is different enough that just swapping the model would make little sense, unless they also change the monster mechanics?
dire gate
Why lol.
It looks like a giant bubble of interest
It is pretty overwhelming, while the game itself is decent the hype is definitely going somewhere over that
little badger
I know it's funny in context, but does this make sense?
Despite some designs bei...
Wouldn’t surprise me if Nintendo steps in to say you can’t use this
dire gate
Yeah I doubt Nintendo will step in unless they sell the mod
random steppe
And take down the available copies on the Internet
But they can't tell you specifically what you can install on a game that isn't theirs
I believe
C&D-ing the mod I can see
They did do that to fan projects before
dire gate
It would depend on how far people go with the mod
I can see them being worried a little bit more about the mod due to the content of the game
slim thorn
IP-infringing mods are a dime a dozen in most games with a mod community, IME no one goes after those unless someone's dumb enough to try selling one
gaunt marten
No one except Square Enix, Nintendo and Rockstar
random steppe
If they get really really big they do occasionally get hit.
I actually can't remember Nintendo doing that, at most I think it was fan games, as best I can remember
Rockstar and Take 2 I know they did c&d mods
This is an especially high profile case tho so they might go for it
little badger
unreal idol
Lmao
random steppe
Every time SE makes a big budget game they announce it undersold
Is he drunk?
It happend with FFXVI, Forspoken, Guardians, I think all Tomb Raider games.
I seem to recall Sleeping Dogs being one of the first of this trend
quiet swift
This is the CEO who wants to keep going with AI, NFTs and blockchain
random steppe
We don't actually know that
This CEO is saying those words, but it's impossible to tell if it's because investors want to hear them.
Or if they have actual plans to do anything with any of that
The previous CEO did the same but I don't think anything evern materialised
My theory is that it's just arcane words that make the stock go up when you say them for SE.
An incantation if you will.
arctic fern
the line goes up
sour hill
<:rdsnrk:587780329335422977> https://fxtwitter.com/dexerto/status/17493723745652...
That was a hilarious clip
quiet swift
Rip to that one guy still religiously playing it
sour hill
That's me in another timeline
thorny loom
thorny loom
Twitter
little badger
That was a hilarious clip
light gate
Some Nintendo 'fans' are absolutely foaming in anger.
wind stump
""""fans"""""
also imagine malding because your multi billion dollar company got beat out by a fucking indie game
maybe that says something about the state of pokemon huh
sour hill
Regardless of the harassment Gamers™️ are giving the palworld crew, there is an interesting discussion to be had about how much copying one can do before it becomes a Bad Thing
wind stump
meh
if people want to make an experience that is literally impossible to make outside of a Nintendo platform then fuck 'em
they don't want to move into the PC market? Fine, indie devs will swoop in and grab that captive audiance dangling there.
I can't speak on how much Palworld "copies" from Pokemon beyond the surface level "It's a monster collecting game with guns."
sour hill
I'm more alluding to the monster designs
wind stump
some are a little sus but i wouldn't say it's outright theft
like, it's like getting on someone's case for making a SMT/Persona style game that happens to draw the enemy design from the same source
You can't really justify saying like for instance, Pokemon owns the concept of a creature based on Anubis type creature, even if the execution does draw a little suspicion, but going back to the mythological route, I say it's a fair design.
it's like
there to be sure but it doesn't make it outright theft if it just so happens to draw the same conclusion from the base mythology
unreal idol
Why are pokemon fans psychotic
wind stump
I can see why people would feel that way, but looking into the origins of it it's like "The fuck else is one supposed to do"
unreal idol
Like this whole situation is dumb
sour hill
I think for me it would bother me if they were copying out of pure laziness, but if they're copying because they just think xyz is super cool then I don't really care
wind stump
at least this case i can see why people would call whatever the fuck the guy on the left is a "shiny Lucario knockoff" but at least it incorperates more of the mythological design into it to make it stand out more
like on the surface level it seems cut and dry but if you're going to draw from mythology for your character designs, some things are just going to look similar
unreal idol
Also shiny lucario doesn't look very good
wind stump
but i'm speaking from a casual Touhou fan/Pokemon fan/Person Who Consumes A Lot Of SMT Stuff Through a Third Party so
unreal idol
It's a very chaotic thing
sour hill
I don't know pokemon at all so I'm just watching this like 
unreal idol
If they did rip off pokemon, shame on them. But if they did rip off pokemon, then lmao
quiet swift
And doesn't Pokemon have like 900 creatures now? Bound to get close to something that exists already even if they didn't 'get inspired' by some designs
wind stump
i guess it is more complicated than I make it seem when these two more or less draw from the same mythology
unreal idol
Over 1000
wind stump
and look completely different
wind stump
but like if I told you they both draw from the Phoenix, you'd get some similarties off the bat
unreal idol
I'm just a bit grossed out by the rabid fans jumping to Pokemons defense
Like, they don't need it, nor do they care
wind stump
like the reds and whites, the ash grey/white hair Mokou has, the fact they use fire (no duh)
quiet swift
It's like any techbros defending multibillion dollar companies that would rather spit on you than acknowledge you exist
unreal idol
It's like any techbros defending multibillion dollar companies that would rather...
Nintendo fans are a weird breed
I say this as a Nintendo fan
sour hill
I don't know pokemon at all so I'm just watching this like <a:ppinkiepopcorn:608...
I'm gonna need all you porkyman experts to do an analysis and report back on the number of non-coincidental similarities
wind stump
hell, the fact they both are either immortal or can revive other beings makes it even more obvious
but again
bird vs girl
kinda hard to spot the difference if you're not a FUCKING NERD like me
sour hill
I thought digimon's monsters were pretty unique
wind stump
maybe Mystia and Spearow would be a better comparison? 'cus they're both sparrows.
that's... kinda it, lol
honestly i forgot that Sprearow even existed
BUT EVEN THEN Mystia draws more from the German Siren Lorelei, luring people with her song and trapping them with her ability to inflict night blindness
she's got layers
like an onyon
uh, tldr Pokemon fans are dumb
do your own research on character design origins before jumping down people's throats and remember that nothing is original so this is all fucking pointless
i like birds.
birds are cool
astral steeple
river veldt
it's only been like 4 days and im already tired of hearing about Palworld
wind stump
there is a dedicated thread but ehhh i didn't want to clutter it with mostly unrelated nonsense
random steppe
I am every time a new pokemon game comes out but I survive
wind stump
more about things surrounding it
and the meta discussion of "How much is too much" when it comes to similarities
random steppe
To be fair tho, it's mostly because pokemon games come with so much negativity every time
river veldt
lol yeah
random steppe
I don't think there is much more to say about Palworld at this point, unless Nintendo actually sues.
Which would be interesting
wind stump
there's an NPC in Undertale/Deltarune that is a reference to a 54 minute Smash match. https://youtu.be/hei-zhwGVzg
Huh, there's a reference to an infamous 50 minute Smash 64 match in Undertale/Deltarune
You know the turtle merchant? His name is Gerson Boom, a reference to the players Superboomfan and Gerson
Or was, because as of Deltarune, we see he died, lol
that's how we know his name in game
just an interesting thing I learned today 
thorny loom
I don't think there is much more to say about Palworld at this point, unless Nin...
The rtx remix software is now open to the public in beta
So now we can start seeing unofficial remasters/rextures of older games
rotund forge
I'm replaying Superstar Saga on 3ds and every single enemy is dropping a present. This game has a birthday feature!!
That is pretty sweet
little badger
static bluff
GAMERS gonna game
mossy flume
Ahh, fucking gamers
river veldt
capital g Gamers
sour hill
capital g Gamers
I love video games and gaming
thorny loom
There as really only one true instance you could say they did copy a model from pokemon but they removed it before launch
The not luxray luxray
warhammer total war
“Am i a joke to you”
grave tide
https://x.com/ign/status/1749447101396693278?s=46&t=bVzXPIZvXYyJJoEkCfgMsQ
The Day Before Refund
light gate
oh boy, not a good idea to say that
random steppe
Why? I don't think it'd change Nintendo willingness to sue one way or the other
light gate
Why? I don't think it'd change Nintendo willingness to sue one way or the other
It is never a good idea to attract attention to possible lawsuits.
Regardless if you fear or not.
slim thorn
company CEO and lead developer Takuro Mizobe said that Palworld has passed all the necessary legal hurdles to clear it of copyright infringement
I wish they had a direct quote for this part
random steppe
I think releasing one of the highest selling games on Steam did the whole attracting attention part.
hasty patio
>warhammer total war
“Am i a joke to you”
The Table Top game. It's a mix of TW:WH series, Vermintide, simplifying rules similar to Age of Sigmar, and going Horus Heresy for the World-That-Was (so different rule set and allowing much older metal and early resin units to be used so those older armies are viable).
random steppe
Passing under the radar isn't exactly a viable strategy at this point
slim thorn
it's also not exactly news that it exists
even I'd heard of Palworld well before its release
light gate
Something tells me Nintendo will try though, I don't know why. Maybe its because I just expect Nintendo to C&D anything that remotely suggests anything these days.
slim thorn
if it had any genuine legal problems I'm sure Nintendo would've attacked by now
light gate
Which I think is a valid feel.
mossy flume
Nintendo doesn't waste time.
light gate
You don't attack without analyzing everything first.
random steppe
I think we'll know if they do sue or not in a month, maybe 2
slim thorn
that argument would apply if Nintendo was not aware this game existed until just now
but again, we've known about it for months, I'm sure they did
light gate
Nintendo doesn't waste time.
AM2R came out for weeks.
mossy flume
We've known about this game for years, even
light gate
Took a while for Nintendo to take it out.
random steppe
If they don't by then I think it's safe to assume they might just think they can't win it.
mossy flume
AM2R came out for weeks.
It would be nice if people could point at examples where Nintendo C&D'd a game that didn't reuse their IP or assets directly instead of pointing at fan games that used their IP and name without permission.
Because then it would be more compelling.
slim thorn
I mean, I'm also unaware of these companies C&Ding anything that wasn't reusing their assets
there are a lot of "harmless" fan projects out there which are easy to paint as victims, but all the ones I've ever heard about getting legal action were using the copyrighted IP, so there's at least some basis for a legal claim even if it'd be morally wrong to go after it
light gate
Look I understand you want evidence and facts, but I'm primarily saying that mainly because I don't think Nintendo is appreciating any of this. And they could just do this out of spite as few companies have done this to scare folks.
slim thorn
that's a very different situation from this sort of similar style but "legally distinct" stuff
thorny loom
Bit off topic but
slim thorn
oh you're saying they'd do a lawsuit without a legal basis just to be a dick about it
light gate
yes...
thorny loom
Twitter
light gate
They're Nintendo, they're big.
slim thorn
agree to disagree then, I don't follow video game legal drama enough to judge that one
slim thorn
unfortunately the internet is currently full of idiots who don't understand what plagiarism is so you have to be very clear about which non-silly argument you're actually trying to make
light gate
Oh I understand what plagiarism is, so far it seems they're fine and have not crossed said threshold.
I just know Nintendo can troll and be dick about it.
And if they company doesn't have enough funds for legal fees, that'd be enough for them.
mossy flume
oh you're saying they'd do a lawsuit without a legal basis just to be a dick abo...
Ohhh, I see. That's definitely different to what Dev had been saying this entire time.
light gate
Uhhh
mossy flume
Well, I don't think that's something they have a history of doing.
Successfully rebuffing Nintendo C&D claims rarely happens.
light gate
Ohhh, I see. That's definitely different to what Dev had been saying this entire...
I mean y'all jumped with the assumption that I had evidence they did something wrong.
Meanwhile I was just trying to say its never a good idea to say "oh we're okay if Nintendo does that, we know we guchi".
mossy flume
????
light gate
Because its like you're asking for trouble.
Because no company is okay if another one sues another. Them saying that is silly as Nintendo could troll them for as long as they feel like.
I'm not sure why this is so confusing.
unreal idol
I'm not condoning plagiarism but this entire saga is pretty funny
I do hope whatever happens it blows up right in Nintendos face though, that would be a good outcome
light gate
Same.
unreal idol
I love nintendo but goddamn they need to be smacked around a bit, especially with regards to Pokemon
random steppe
No all I said is that the Ceo saying that they have no intention of breaching copyright has no bearing on whether a lawsuit or not will happen IMO.
Nintendo is obviously aware it exists, everyone is, you can't escape, I'll find you and tell you about Palworld if you somehow managed to avoid it
harsh kestrel
Yeah, I don't know how to feel about Epic going for a subscription service. It sounds like a way to put the free games they've been offering behind some sort of pay wall
light gate
Valve already does it.
With their CS subscription, terrible value unless you play that game so much.
random steppe
I mean if they put up a subscription service, it's better be better than the games they are giving away for free...
They have the occasional banger but I wouldn't pay a subscription to get them if I had to.
mossy flume
It would be a similar model to Xbox Games with Gold (is that still a thing?) or PS+
Which would make sense because Epic is losing a hell of a lot of money with their current model.
random steppe
Most of the time I grab a game, is because epic pays the game deves in proprtion to how many people redeem the game
Not because I have intention of playing it
I'd just rather the small devs have the money so I grab it anyway
sour hill
Oh I barely ever use epic games store and probably won't play over 90% of the free games I redeem, but I love free shit
harsh kestrel
I seriously hope they don't pull the shit where you have to have the subscription to play online like consoles do. People use PC platforms to give a middle finger to that crap
random steppe
I strongly doubt they'd ask a subscritpion to have access to online services in their games
sour hill
That'd be wild
harsh kestrel
That would be pathetic
sour hill
I don't think anyone has the power to get away with that on pc
Unless it was crazy super cheap
random steppe
It can happen with individual games (subscriptions MMOs exist), but whole storefronts is a very hard sell
When there are other storefronts that don't do that
gaunt marten
I thought Ubisoft was planning to do that
sour hill
If a giant developer/publisher decided to enforce a single "online pass" for their titles and they had enough online only must haves and it was super cheap, they might be able to get away with it despite losing a ton of good will? Idk
sour hill
I thought Ubisoft was planning to do that
LMAO I almost said Ubisoft as an example and I didn't know anything about this
random steppe
Ubisoft has meaningful online games?
Are they just taxing Siege and For Honor players?
sour hill
Yeah idk what they got
gaunt marten
No I mean they wanted a subscription service that is the only way to play some of their games
I don't pay close attention because I'm boycotting them
random steppe
Oh, maybe? I know they do have a subscription service but I don't think they have any exclusive for it yet
harsh kestrel
They're not going to the point of charging to play online thankfully, yeah, they're taking an actual decent value with Ubisoft+ and of course fucking that up
sour hill
Subscription only exclusives 
harsh kestrel
Plus, we already know that in the gaming industry, if a business model works out for one, everyone is gonna jump on the bandwagon
harsh kestrel
Subscription only exclusives <:sweetiebelleisonfire:1191521530950193212>
Piracy would become buying games at that point for free.99
random steppe
I was almost believing they'd actually just implement a subscription to tax Siege players.
If people think that Pals are slaves in that game they should take a look at how Ubisoft treats Siege and For Honor players.
That's the real animal abuse.
harsh kestrel
As each year goes by, the gaming industry keeps finding more and better reasons for piracy and emulation to be morally correct
random steppe
It could have happened just because they want to hurt them, I swear
sour hill
Piracy would become buying games at that point for free.99
Streaming-only exclusives: 
light gate
It also doesn't help that Microsoft is so big on the streaming and subscription model lately.
So keep an eye out there.
rancid herald
> company CEO and lead developer Takuro Mizobe said that Palworld has passed all...
I'm pretty sure the only real legal hurdle is whether or not a court agrees with you, tbh.
random steppe
They mean they consulted a lawyer I assume
Hopefully a very good one
They do seem confident tho
harsh kestrel
Streaming-only exclusives: <:lunapathetic:825113870590672926>
Don't make me wanna scream lol
harsh kestrel
Nintendo should sue Nintendo
thorny loom
Twitter
light gate
"several people are typing" oh boy
gaunt marten
Please don't give Asmongold attention
sour hill
Don't make me wanna scream lol
They'll make you want to stream! 
fresh bane
Nothing really new, Square Enix actively supports any form of NFT and AI advances but people still go crazy over the FF games
harsh kestrel
For me, games like Palworld genre wise has just never been one of my interests. I never really did have an interest in the Pokemon games or anything honestly. Same with survival games in general
random steppe
I do think it's kind of a bullshit argument
random steppe
As far as I know, that AI was used to make the game is just wild speculation.
bleak lintel
For the Pals I think it is more people wanting more from Pokemon. Someone filled a gap.
fresh bane
There is absolutely, so far, no proof at all that the game used AI in any capacity
mossy flume
As far as I know, that AI was used to make the game is just wild speculation.
Accurate.
harsh kestrel
Nobody is gonna be wanting to support a game with massive AI involvement. Humans deserve those jobs and deserve to show their talents
fresh bane
People are just going with it because the CEO of the company (?) supports AI which, newsflash, a lot of them for all of your favourite gaming companies do
thorny loom
Omg
rancid herald
They mean they consulted a lawyer I assume
I mean, I'm sure Epic consulted a lot of lawyers too but they still lost against Apple. Lawyers are just lawyers, they can give advice but the courts might not agree with them.
random steppe
Slavery was in Conan Exiles before and none was mad over that, or if they were, none really cared for it
mossy flume
Please don't give Asmongold attention
Who is this person?
thorny loom
Oh right conan
thorny loom
Who is this person?
Big youtube streamer
light gate
Zack from gongaga
gaunt marten
He's a streamer who's known for being a dick
thorny loom
Yeah he can be a dick
mossy flume
Do you have any idea how little that narrows it down
bleak lintel
He became a big streamer because of WoW.
rancid herald
Have you seen his house before he cleaned it
I don't really follow him, the few videos I've seen of him make me question my sanity
gaunt marten
You might have heard of him when he was driving his fanbase to destroy pony art on /r/place
thorny loom
Yeah bsck in his edgelord days
mossy flume
Oh, that guy
thorny loom
Now he’s just that guy who streams wow and does takes
rancid herald
like he'll do a react video, pause the video in the middle of the other person's sentence, complain that such and such hasn't been mentioned, and then restart the video and the next part of sentence is bringing up that thing
like
wtf
gaunt marten
He's being an edgelord in this very tweet
random steppe
What do you mean back in his edgelord days? He is just as an edgelord if not more than he was back then.
gaunt marten
All he knows better now is which toes he can't step on
thorny loom
like he'll do a react video, pause the video in the middle of the other person's...
This was his house before he cleaned
young creek
someone told me he has a gray brony shirt
gaunt marten
No no
rancid herald
this is a safe for work server, Agent, I'm afraid that's a bannin'
gaunt marten
He has a shirt and he is a gay brony
random steppe
At any rate yeah, that's just a silly argument.
Palworld isn't really doing anything new except imitating pokemone, and wether or not that's condemnable varies heavily between person to person.
Unless if they are actually stealing assets, in which case I hope Gamefreak tear them a new one...legally speaking
harsh kestrel
It could also push Nintendo and GameFreak to make better games if they wanna compete
fresh bane
Literally the biggest sin Palworld has done so far is just not being entirely original and more creative with its designs which is... whatever people as usual are taking it way too far and getting too personally invested in this shit and getting super mad over it
It's really not that big of a deal but I guess it justifies the death threats
harsh kestrel
Nothing justifies death threats. Ever
random steppe
if it's big of a deal or not it's very personal.
Also not all criticism they get is death threats
It's not like if someone gets a death threat suddently they are above all reproach
fresh bane
I never said that
random steppe
But yeah you are right, death threats are never justified
wind stump
i still think it's just people drawing conclusions based on a few designs that draw from the same concept
but like, if you're going to sit there and tell me that you can't have a cat in a game where the appeal is catching and training animals because Nintendo did it first... Can I introduce the Shin Megami Tensei series? 
random steppe
I do think that is pretty fair to say that they did take heavy inspirations from pokemon designs tho
That's not controversial to say
wind stump
eh i think it's just a matter of some designs having very similar concepts
gaunt marten
A lot of designs are more than just similar concepts. They're recognizably copies
wind stump
like the Lucario looking one
gaunt marten
That one is fine
random steppe
Ok, let's make a thought experiment
let's say we travel in an alternate reality, and Nintendo never released Lucario
Do you think Anubis in Palworld looks that way?
Yeah I was about to say
wind stump
like there's probably some more that are a bit more blatant but the Lucario one is more than fine
random steppe
I personally think it's fine, but I always thought that stuff should become public domain way earlier than it does, so in my ideal world they'd straight up be using pikachu is why I don't really care about it.
But if you disagree on that, I perfectly see why you'd have a problem with what they are doing
And that'd be fair
young creek
do they have mega anubis
gaunt marten
I'm of the opinion copyright should last for life of the author plus ten years, but if it's not solely owned by the original author then just ten years
wind stump
plus like i said before, Nintendo basically have no plans to actually port their cash cows off of their consoles, so if PC players want a similar experience, Palworld is there to fill the gap
like
buddy you can't hoard your IP and then complain when people who don't want to buy into your market find their own way to play that experience they've been wanting
fresh bane
Except Nintendo can and will do exactly that
The funny part is that it's not even that much like Pokemon other than just having the concept of these mons being around because it plays more like a survival game than an actual pokemon game
wind stump
i get stuff like AM2R because it's straight up their IP but this case is more like inspiration and some coincidences due to how it's presented
like, nothing is original anymore anyway, we're all drawing from the same well of inspirations, you can't own the concept of Furry Anubis because "you did it first"
well i mean
anubis is furry but
furrier anubis
random steppe
They are getting closer than most to be fair, with the proportions and the art style, it's not only the concept
I think it should be legal but it's also extremely derivative.
fresh bane
There is an argument to be made that the designs on this game are blatant straight up copies of Pokemon's designs, but that's really about it, it's just a blatant copy and it's really not the first time a videogame has done this at all, and this type of stuff has happened before with way bigger games before
People can have a problem with that, but acting like it's this big problematic thing as if it's something new or the people who act almost personally offended by this as if Pals raided their house and destroyed their crops is just silly
random steppe
Like this isn't two separate companies coming up with the same idea, and ending up with similar results, this is one company looking at another work and putting their spin on it.
fresh bane
Which is absolutely fine
random steppe
Which is fine but we should be honest about it
wind stump
Yeah, it is a little blatant, I won't deny there definitely was some inspiration from Pokemon (Especially Legends Arceus, from what I've seen)
sour hill
I'm of the opinion copyright should last for life of the author plus ten years, ...
I'd be down for that
In principle
fresh bane
Let's not forget that there was an entire genre literally called Doom clones
This type of situation is nothing new
wind stump
which makes the whole backlash laughable to me
oh right it's because Gamers™️
god i'm glad i'mnot longer a Nintendo apologist
it's weird because there are other Pokeclones on Steam like Tinykin...
random steppe
Part of the backlash is fair, if you have more stringet ideas of how copyright should work you would be understandably mad.
There are unhinged people of course, and Nintendo fans aren't know for their chill demeanour, but I don't think it's good to paint everyone with the same brush just because some people on twitter are a bit unhinged.
Some people on twitter are always unhinged no matter the subject
mossy flume
Deriative work isn't illegal either.
wind stump
Yeah yeah, I know that, I'm just making a statement knowing I used to be that unhinged
fresh bane
Also happened with fighting games especially after the wild success of SF2
remember Ryo? Literally just Ryu but orange
wind stump
buff shiro emiya
random steppe
Someone really said "Ryu isn't nearly Goku enough"
fresh bane
Deriative work isn't illegal either.
This is really what this entire thing boils down to, because a lot of people I've seen complaining about this game are acting as if it's this huge problematic illegal thing and people should not support this etc etc
People having a problem with this kind of thing is fine, but when it gets to that point it starts to become silly especially knowing again how this is not anything new in the slightest
mossy flume
It has become unbearable.
fresh bane
Also I'm not entirely caught up with Pokemon so maybe I'm wrong but I've actually seen one or two designs from this game that seem to be original and look pretty good
rancid herald
Deranged people are deranged and are so regardless
flint iron
The main reason people are probably complaining is because it got popular, if it had a smaller playerbase then they would probably overlook the game
rancid herald
Well, yes
mossy flume
They're mad because it got popular.
rancid herald
But that’s not saying much lol
mossy flume
They feel as of their beloved franchise is threatened and thus they get into a defensive posture.
Because again it's just the insanity of thinking that Nintendo is the only one who has the right to be any good at this.
But now there's apparently meaningful competition in the creature collecting space and they're angry about it.
fresh bane
Because again it's just the insanity of thinking that Nintendo is the only one w...
''good'' 
steady skiff
random steppe
I must say...when the game sold that well and so many people are playing it, I do think it's kind of a first world problem going with "but pokemon fans are mad at it"
it's whatever, I kind of don't really care for fandom wars, rise above it.
fresh bane
I don't think anyone is actively concerned with what Pokemon fans feel like, people are simply just responding and pointing out how silly this entire thing is
river veldt
i just think the game looks bad 
random steppe
To be fair, I thought it looked extremely dumb from the trailers.
fresh bane
and yet still looks better than a pokemon game
random steppe
Does it?
I think it's more fun than one, for looking I don't know, it's around that
river veldt
the realistic stock assets clash so hard with the cartoony character models
random steppe
I didn't notice anything that doesn't look cohesive to me, personally, but that's probably subjective
I do think that the tagline "pokemon with guns" is very dumb and make it sound like a gimmick game.
fresh bane
I never said it looked great, I agreed that it looked kinda bad, and it still looks better than a pokemon game
river veldt
that's not a very high bar to clear lol
fresh bane
Yes that's the point
random steppe
I think it looks better from some screenshots, but also, those shots are running on more powerful hardware than whatever the pokemon games have at their disposal
I don't think it's a meaningful difference tho
mossy flume
I must say...when the game sold that well and so many people are playing it, I d...
The problem is that people are forcefully dragging others into it and getting angry at you for having fun and minding your own business.
random steppe
Block or report in those instances
I don't think that a subculture being mad at a game is really that big of a deal.
GTA survives every release with like, all the boomers raging at it.
hasty patio
GTA hasn't faced Florida Man yet. /s
mossy flume
I'd have to block half of Discord.
fresh bane
Yeah I wouldn't say that the people that do that kind of thing are a small subset of people, it's definitely grown into a large amount of people that will be annoying about others liking this game
You still shouldn't care about those people and not pay them any attention, but it's become unescapable
random steppe
People are allowed to disagree about this game to be clear, I don't think that believing that it has problematic aspects is a crazy unreasonable opinion.
As long as they aren't abusive to people.
If you are trying to escape reasonable disagreement I'm afraid that's not something thats very fair.
I'd have to see this specific thing, I've seen a few insane claims but maybe I just stay in places with reasonable people that can articulare the problems they have with something and not just attack it on vibes.
mossy flume
Problematic on what basis, though?
mossy flume
I'd have to see this specific thing, I've seen a few insane claims but maybe I j...
Seems like you've been missing out on Manechat discourse, then.
random steppe
The copying aspect is fair.
I don't agree with it but I do think some designs are in part plagiarised and people have different opinions as to what is too similar.
At least on a moral aspect if not on a legal one
mossy flume
Opinion doesn't really matter though, it's just the legal question that matters and that's pretty clearly fine.
People are trying to make opinion into legal fact.
Based enitrely on personal vibes.
random steppe
Opinion definitely matters.
mossy flume
I don’t care about the opinion, people are entitled to them. But nobody can present their opinion as legal fact when the law is clearly misunderstood.
random steppe
First of all we don't actually know if it's different enough until it gets tested in court, we all are going on vibes and what "should be legal" on that one.
I do think it clears the bar, but I don't actually know
fresh bane
People are allowed to have whatever opinions they want to have but I'm also allowed to be annoyed at the fact that this has become a huge discourse and people are actively trying to bring the game down or shame others into not playing it just because it's not 100% original
or also trying to somehow imply it's illegal when in the case of that being true Nintendo would've struck faster than we could've registered it
random steppe
IDK I've seen some convincing indication that Nintendo might have a shot
I say wait a couple of months before calling the legality of it with confidence
river veldt
i dont think anyone is happy that there's so much discourse surrounding this game
random steppe
I like it because it's damn interesting
The funniest bit at this point would be for Nintendo to win a lawsuit and see if people do actually change their mind about it because of that
light gate
i dont think anyone is happy that there's so much discourse surrounding this gam...
Discord is! 
fresh bane
I hardly find any of the general discussion surrounding this to be interesting at all mostly because it's people who apparently have never seen an asset flip/a knockoff game before, people making baseless claims like how the game is somehow made with AI even though there's absolutely zero proof of any of that in the slightest and people complaining that ''b-b-b-but the CEO likes AI!!!111'' even though that's probably true for most CEOs of probably most companies they enjoy it's just most aren't as stupid as the ones in Square Enix who won't shut up about it
the only remotely interesting tidbits I've seen float around are people especially those experienced in 3D trying to decipher whether or not the game has stolen assets directly from Pokemon which could be a potential issue but that hasn't been proven at all yet
Everything else is just the same repeated emotional arguments and it's mind boggling to me that people have lost their minds when the game is like 2 days old still, it's annoying even though I agree people are allowed to dislike the game which is fine
random steppe
Yeah there are some silly arguments, I don't engage with those, I just engage with the interesting ones.
About plagiarism, what's too much legally and morally.
That's extremely interesting for me,
mossy flume
“Similar shapes look similar!”
sour hill
i dont think anyone is happy that there's so much discourse surrounding this gam...
I am
random steppe
I think if something is gonna fuck this game, is this one: https://vxtwitter.com/covingtown/status/1749462735291859423?t=DH6aDKgLaTX7q44M8HfpkA&s=19
mossy flume
Does Nintendo own the concept of an anthropomorphic dog’s head now?
flint iron
💸
random steppe
If you bring that one in front of a judge, I think they'll just rule for Nintendo in a heartbeat
But I should preface, I know nothing of 3d modeling, but damn if it isn't convincing
sour hill
neither do judges
flint iron
What if one of the game developers becomes a judge
mossy flume
The lion inspired shape looks like a lion!
The wolf looks like a wolf!
The lizard looks like a lizard!
Clearly copyright infringement for following anatomy in a given art style.
river veldt
what if i become a judge
when i was younger i wanted to be Pope he's kind of like a judge
(im not catholic)
sour hill
neither do judges
I shouldn't have said this because it came off like I have a stake in whether any of this is illegal or not
random steppe
The lion inspired shape looks like a lion!
The wolf looks like a wolf!
The lizar...
Oh come on, the exact proportions? They did copy it and that's fine.
I don't know if they took the model, probably not, but I am not confident
Which as I said, wait 2 months, Nintendo lawyers will have taken this game apart 12 times by then and written like, 25 reports on it
If there isn't a lawsuit by then I feel confident saying it's legally above board
sour hill
If they did take and modify nintendo models, then that's lazy and sad and we should wag our fingers at them
river veldt
i dont have any finger wagging emojis
random steppe
My assumption is that whoever made this model had a pokemon on the 2nd monitor
Which I don't mind, but I don't think I can argue otherwise
astral steeple
I hardly find any of the general discussion surrounding this to be interesting a...
with palworld, wasnt the the trailer originally released like years ago before AI could even generate anything comprehensible?
random steppe
Yeah the AI thing is nonsense
Probably
At least there really isn't any indication of it being used to make it, so unless that changes it's really just nonsense
mossy flume
The AI thing is indeed nonsense.
green fulcrum
It's possible that they used AI to speed up the art process after the fact, or to create new emergency assets, but that's about it.
At least 99% of the game is man-made, if not 100%.
random steppe
Yeah which is why I don't say it wasn't used, just that there isn't any indication.
But since there isn't any indication it's silly to claim it was used
green fulcrum
It's also entirely possible that they used AI to iron out bugs.
Which is one of the few good uses of AI that is generally accepted.
gaunt marten
You generally use AI code for rapid prototyping.
Ironing out bugs is better done manually
slim thorn
so has anyone here played Palworld, or are we all still just reacting to angry and/or clueless internet people
green fulcrum
That might just be it lol
I'm sure there's more, they just aren't talkative.
strong pebble
I played and it was difficult to understand but Im going to give it a chance right now
And also because I punched someone and milions of police appeared from nowhere and I fell from a mountain and died
random steppe
so has anyone here _played_ Palworld, or are we all still just reacting to angry...
Gave it a go on gamepass, it's okay, not sure I want to invest a bunch of time in it but it's basically a better, more polished Ark up to where I got.
random steppe
Basically I got to hugging the flamethrower fox and stopped.
Having already played some ark ad a TON of valheim, it's not super novel to me.
Also I'm not a vampire and as such, I am not playing the best survival game
untold vigil
I might give it a go if it's more like those two lmao
I had no interest because everyone was saying it was rip
Not becuase I hate ripping nintendo but because I'm tired of pokemon's formula
random steppe
It is a rip, just not of pokemon alone.
It's mostly Ark
This is less Pokemon with guns but more Ark with Pokemons
strong pebble
On Xbox audio is bad
random steppe
And with less vin diesel
strong pebble
But if I will try I can stream it
random steppe
Yeah on Gamepass and Xbox it's a few versions behind because console certification is slow and dumb
Microsoft really has to fix it, Everspace 2 was also plagued by this problem
strong pebble
But i really don't know how to play it
astral steeple
hasty patio
It's what they said with 2077, along with a number of other things.
My question is which will come out first, this or Star Citizen. /s
random steppe
https://vxtwitter.com/IGN/status/1749458435395998034
They were supposed to add it to the first one
I think the next thing we see should be Witcher 4 and that is supposed to have multiplayer I think? We'll see how strong CDPR netcode is if that's the case.
To be fair, in a FPS style game, it's not hard to come up with some multiplayer modes, so it's not like they have to reinvent the wheel to do it for CP2077
Or er... 2078?
hasty patio
Make it 2127 and keep the hook from 2077 as part of it.
strong pebble
I made a pokeball and caught this
On the right i think it means there will be a lot of things to do
hasty patio
I too love my PS1-looking chicken. Reminds me of the older Monster Rancher games (where you could use CDs to summon special monsters).
strong pebble
I think I understand this game now 💖💖
astral steeple
strong pebble
untold vigil
I don't fucking WANT multiplayer in CP2077
Just make a better version with more good story and I'm happy
Whys everything gotta be fucking multiplayer I stg
fresh bane
I don't even know how you'd implement multiplayer into a game like Cyberpunk, but going the GTA online route would be a mistake in my eyes for sure
I feel like it's the kind of game where you have to come up with a more interesting way to weave a multiplayer into it
random steppe
I don't even know how you'd implement multiplayer into a game like Cyberpunk, bu...
In the main game I could see co-op being fun
If you make a separate mode you just could have deathmatch and stuff like that.
They do have an open world...BR?
There could actually be some fun with that, with some more polish on the movment abilities, and maybe instead of using V you could use various NPCs with fixed loadouts
Like a Voodoo Boys hacker or a Malestorm chromehead
That said rather tha BR I'd like more to see stuff like players competing to complete an objective, if it was competitive.
co-op would be my ideal addition, going around with a buddy sounds fun
The only problem is that some stuff isn't made in the main game for that, the sadevistan for example only works if there is only one player in the game.
It'd have to be separate gamemodes for it to work well IMO
fresh bane
The only game I can think of right now that has an online system I could see in a Cyberpunk game is Watch Dogs though it's far from the best example, it's just an example of not entirely conventional online play in a game
You could definitely have some sort of co op thing to do missions with buddies or you could have this sort of ''wanted list'' of people who engage in a lot of criminal activity and fight the cops or certain gangs and you're hired to take them down, kind of like an invasion in a Dark Souls game
I definitely don't think a deathmatch mode would be interesting at all, but that's just me, it's just not the aspect of a game like Cyberpunk I feel is the main draw to make it the entire draw of an online mode, but that's me
random steppe
Seamlessly integrated has the Sandevistan problem, that kind of fucks up every possible multiplayer and it's too iconic to not have..
The only way to fix it, would be to slow time for the other player too
fresh bane
Balancing those types of things is exactly why I feel a bit torn on Cyberpunk having online modes and why I think it'd benefit from a more non conventional type of online
fickle garnet
https://vxtwitter.com/heyBarsee/status/1749364346545672544
Walking in vr like this is not new. Although the previous devices you could use were very large
random steppe
In separate modes you can balance those things separately from the main mode, which I think it's the best solution.
You could probably get away in co-op making it so both players benefit from one player activating the sandy but making it drain double as fast probably
fresh bane
I don't think they even have any sort of concrete ideas for the sequel yet anyways so they'll probably figure it out
probably
untold vigil
I hope they decide not to
random steppe
I don't expect multiplayer to be a huge part of the game but it's interesting to think about what they could do with it
untold vigil
Well
okay,
Completely optional sub areas with missions
"runs" if you will
That are multiplayer
I would allow
But I want the main game untouched
and unspoiled
random steppe
co-op mode that disables story mission and only allows you to run gigs and other small stuff would be fun.
That stuff was relatively tedious to clear out in solo, I'd totally wouldn't have mind a buddy
fresh bane
I honestly just want them to actually do a good roleplaying game with the sequel because I still think it's by far Cyberpunk's weakest aspect and I would've probably enjoyed the game a lot more if it was a set story with set characters, the whole roleplaying aspect feels pretty shallow to me so I really hope they do a better job with the next one whichever way they decide to go
random steppe
Yeah especially compared to Witcher 3
fresh bane
I'm not even commenting on the quality of the story so far it's been pretty good to me and I haven't had much glaring issues with it, I just don't really think the whole roleplaying aspect is as realized as it could have been especially since it's the whole point of the game
It really shouldn't have taken BG3's massive success for game designers to realize that the appeal of these games is the crazy amount of interactivity the player can have with the world and story
random steppe
To be fair, I don't think it's the only way to do it well
I appreciate Cyberpunk ofr what it is, which is an action game with a few choices along the way that overall don't change the direction of the story but can kind of make it a bit your own.
That is fine.
You don't need to make it super reactive to you to make it compelling as long as the story is good enough...
CP77 problem was promising the moon and delivering a pebble
Like with every other part of the game
fresh bane
Just like with anything if that's your opinion and what you expected from the game that's completely fine, to me it feels like an extremely awkward and disappointing middle ground because it doesn't fully commit to either of the two and it makes me wish it did and I think it would've been a better game for it, but I still do also enjoy it for what it is given what we got, the insane expectations they created for their own game to me is just another issue on top of that
random steppe
I will say, for the journey I did like BG3 a lot more, but if you just take the conclusion, I feel like most CP77 endings are more compelling than what I got in BG3, so there is something to this method that perhaps is lost in the massive interactivity matrix of making several possible outcomes
It's really hard to write a VERY GOOD ending, and having to do it several times with several permutations maybe you can't just make it as good.
fresh bane
Maybe but that's an entirely new different discussion, I also haven't finished Cyberpunk yet so I can't comment on that much at all
random steppe
Makes sense
quiet swift
multiplayer Cyberpunk, with all the possible roles (netrunner various factions of mercs or gangsters) almost would fit better in an mmo, methinks
dire gate
Aw I missed the fun Palworld talk
strong pebble
Did you play it?
dire gate
I do not have Game Pass.
fresh bane
Aw I missed the fun Palworld talk <:cozynotevil:585599397954322453>
Don't worry, it's likely to come up again tomorrow and maybe sporadically throughout the week since it's a hot topic
dire gate
Just to be clear my stance is
- lol as if Nintendo will sue or something, no they don't and they won't
- I'm pretty sure it does absolutely zero threat to Pokemon franchise, Nintendo, or Game Freak whatsoever, rather it's proving how successful Pokemon is as a franchise
- While understanding everything, its success seems a bit overwhelming and it makes me slightly worried in many ways
strong pebble
I think they will make toys
sour hill
I think so too
dire gate
That will be interesting, because it can show how much of the interest is short-lived and meme-y
Like, how much of the current player base is going to willingly buy a merch
harsh kestrel
dire gate
dense crypt
BASED and WALKPILLED
gaunt marten
There are no games where you must travel that cannot be improved with the option of skipping it.
astral steeple
wow this shredder design actually goes hard as fuck
strong pebble
Fortnite
