"you can't just beat her up like the others"
"why not?"
"she memorizes her passwords"
#general gaming
slim thorn
slim thorn
I love it when fiction understands how basic infosec actually works
river veldt
Symbiote Spider-Man is no joke 
fresh bane
I also love how Chai just literally murders the bosses
It's not beat them up and steal their chips they just blow up
All to the beat of some sick rock tunes 
murder is cool
gaunt marten
Spider-nan
Brilliant
Dall-E 3 is okay at Spider-nan
Keeps trying to generate a grandma and Spiderman separately though
fresh bane
There's already Aunt May as Spiderman in the comics
light gate
Why she have four fingers?
wind stump
AI generation
light gate
Oh
gaunt marten
Yeah, it's Dall-E 3
wind stump
AI still bad at hands
rancid herald
she only has 4 fingers because she slurps her arms into her body and the fingers grow into legs and she is a spider
gaunt marten
True
slim thorn
ha, one of the stronger enemies was about to do its rhythm parry finisher but I happened to unleash a special attack just in time and finished it off before it could lock me into that
the specials are useful 
slim thorn
have I mentioned I'm really, REALLY bad at parrying? I actually died in the Korsica fight and even my successful attempt had a D for timing 
at least I nailed the catch, which is weighted hilariously high for that chorus
fresh bane
Nailed the catch but still bonked her head
slim thorn
let's do another one or two tracks
dense crypt
Too bad theres other ones being made as well
dense crypt
Quick google search
white phoenix
poor texture artist
fresh bane
Its not like everyone has flags memorized though.
I don't think this justification flies when you're putting a big ass flag print on the wall 
Also apparently they added "inclusive" spanish too...?
Since I didn't play the game I don't know if this is... Well, True 
but if so this is wild
river veldt
this is the worst Twitter account ive ever seen
mossy flume
The game also has a lot of ASL
fresh bane
I don't really know or care about the account just commenting on the thing
river veldt
The game also has a lot of ASL
yeah i really like that :) it's sweet
mossy flume
I particularly appreciate that ||when you switch to the ASL character the game goes almost completely silent, no soundtrack. Love that detail.||
white phoenix
I particularly appreciate that ||when you switch to the ASL character the game g...
||the little emoticons were so cute too||
random steppe
I don't really know or care about the account just commenting on the thing
To spell it out, the dude is saying that since the person was in a single mother household, they are feminine for using inclusive terms.
That implication is pretty vile, please vet better what kind of stuff you bring up in mane.
river veldt
I particularly appreciate that ||when you switch to the ASL character the game g...
||omg really ??? that's so cool, the playthrough im watching hasn't gotten there yet lol||
mossy flume
||omg really ??? that's so cool, the playthrough im watching hasn't gotten there...
||Yep. If you turn up the volume you might notice some vague mumbling from characters talking to you or nearby yelling, but it's completely impossible to know what they're saying. She just reads body language. So she has like 99% hearing loss or something like that.||
Also as a general thing about the game, ||I'm told that literally everyone except for both Peter and Miles are gay. Like everyone. 
||
river veldt
||i can only think of Black Cat and those 2 homecoming guys||
mossy flume
I've not verified it myself but apparently there's more
slim thorn
Mimosa may be comically evil but I'm with her on this
rancid herald
you guys should make a spiderman thread
fresh bane
We stan mimosa
slim thorn
we also stylishly blow up Mimosa, because we're the good guys
fresh bane
murder live in front of thousands
slim thorn
usually I get a higher letter for clear time than for score because I'm bad at / don't care about combo chaining, but Mimosa's fight being all about stun buildup made it go the other way
fresh bane
we're good guys!
Mimosa's fight is probably one of my favourites presentation and ''gimmick'' wise
slim thorn
I'm sure there's a better strat for that than "spam Korsica when you think you might get some hits or parries" but it worked well enough
it was a great premise for a late-game boss fight
fresh bane
I loved the stupid little rhythm game to finish it off
like an actual rhythm game, space channel 5 vibes
slim thorn
I was wondering if that was gonna replace her third phase but nope
and in context it "makes sense" 
fresh bane
I also really just like her in general
I love the pompous extravagant attitude 
also notice how Chai absolutely sucked ass at playing the guitar during that rhythm section 
he has no idea what he's doing
slim thorn
the dress turning into giant robot wings is perfect on so many levels
fickle garnet
Minor spoilers for spider-man 2:
I love this suit
slim thorn
to be fair I have no idea how guitars work either, but I do remember Peppermint asking early on if he even knew
although I wish someone had told Mimosa "give us your key and we'll just leave you to your big show"
I'm curious if she would've taken that
(also: called it)
fresh bane
He totally has no clue also no way Mimosa would've accepted that though she is implied to care more about herself and her image than Vandelay she probably would've felt way too angry at Chai for even daring to ruin her show like that that they'd end up fighting anyways
also called what? 
fresh bane
Oh yeah lol I think it's hilarious no one in the game saw that coming
Like... seriously? they're identical
slim thorn
CNMN: "Wasn't it obvious?"
fresh bane
|| just wait until you see Roxanne it'll be even more obvious/ridiculous, probably should've designed Peppermint with a different physical appearance to make the twist less obvious but it's not like the game is already full of tropes anyway, it's basically made up of tropes and cliches and meta humor which is why it's so good ||
CNMN is the best
slim thorn
oh yeah we saw her several times in Track 8
which is also where they confirmed it
doesn't have to be unguessable to be well-set-up
fresh bane
By the way, unrelated, do you have any thoughts on Ender Lilies or Dead Cells? 
slim thorn
haven't played Dead Cells
Ender Lilies is one of my favorite Metroidvanias, in fact I spent a good chunk of last week helping test a randomizer mod for it
did you have any specific questions about it? (there's obviously a ton I could say but I don't know what'd be relevant for you)
fresh bane
Just general thoughts because I happened to come across it when looking metroidvanias
quiet swift
Dead Cells is great fun
slim thorn
if I ever get the urge to try another roguelite it probably will be Dead Cells, though that hasn't happened yet
random steppe
I think personally I liked Ender Lilies more for the aesthetic, the lore and the music, than the gameplay.
It's a bit stiff, still, it's so fucking good in all other aspects that it makes up for it.
slim thorn
Just general thoughts because I happened to come across it when looking metroidv...
uh... well I guess the useful but still general thing I can say is that Ender Lilies and Hollow Knight are the most "narratively Soulslike" of my favorite Metroidvanias; the apocalypse already happened, no one can just tell you what went wrong, you can't magically fix everything but you can make a small difference, and the boss fights are hard but fair in the sense that you'll die very fast if you lose focus and attacks are commitments
between EL and HK, I would say HK's got the edge on gameplay (especially variety thereof) and EL's got the edge in setting that oppressive melancholy mood with music and aesthetic
so pretty much what Gen said
random steppe
Well I would put HK at least on par on the music, but it's splitting hairs at that point, both are extremely enjoyable to listen to.
random steppe
That makes so much sense
Is that an explicit inspiration? Because I didn't connect the two up until now but I wouldn't surprise me if it was
slim thorn
I've yet to stumble across any explicit evidence but it is so hard not to think of them together
(I've also seen one or two people compare HK's City of Tears to Angel's Egg before)
random steppe
The architecture is definitely there
slim thorn
heck, the biggest difference is that in Ender Lilies, the floating fish are real and can hurt you
random steppe
NGL it's been at least two decades since I've watched Angel's Egg, I don't have much retained at this point
slim thorn
(well the more serious comment is that Angel's Egg probably has a major faith/religion theme, and these games mostly don't )
random steppe
Well doesn't it?
slim thorn
here's a good litmus test: do you remember the final shot?
slim thorn
there's talk of religions in the lore but I don't think it's a theme of EL's core story
random steppe
True, that said, ||half the bosses are nuns||
slim thorn
especially since the clearest piece of said lore is "most religions went poof when the Blight hit because duh"
random steppe
There is something there at least
slim thorn
yeah, it's something, personally I see it as part of the medieval european aesthetic and perhaps an in-universe holdover from before the time of the White Priestesses, but it could be argued either way
likewise, it's far from clear what Angel's Egg wants to say about faith, despite being such a huge topic
random steppe
From the little I remember it's definitely not present as much, but I should rewatch it at this point, I wonder how many similarities I'd notice
slim thorn
an interesting one I only noticed recently is ||the adult man who travels with the little girl is later revealed to be less than perfectly trustworthy, though in EL he merely considered hurting her before deciding not to||
random steppe
Nire: Can you give me a general overview of Ender Lilies
General Gaming: 7 hours discussion about a 35 years old piece of media.
slim thorn
ahem, it's a cult classic anime art film 
honestly I was half-expecting no one to even know what it was
random steppe
It is, I watched it when I was starting to get into anime and I was very proficent at sniffing my own farts about Anime as an art form.
Since then, the whole genre of Isekai made it really hard to keep a straight face and making that argument at the same time.
slim thorn
all art forms have their mass-produced junk
random steppe
True true
slim thorn
and legitimately good pop culture products that have no pretense of artistic innovation
random steppe
I'm mostly joking.
I just learned to appreciate stuff for what it is.
I like Fast and Furious now, my days of pretending that watching old artistic projects while sipping wine was the proper way to have fun with media are long behind me, thank fucking god.
The transformer movies are still trash tho, and you can't convince me otherwise
The bay ones at least
river veldt
this is true actually
visual hill
the quintessence of art is the Doom 3 shotgun, witness as it fails to hit anything past 3 meters
visual hill
https://content.minetest.net/packages/aSliceOfCake/fumoplushies/
I found the prefect Minetest mod for @wind stump
hasty patio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDtjzLzs7V8 Only 9 years behind schedule.
light gate
Still no release date, they've just entered the optimization and polish phase.
Probably will be out by 2025.
(And that's just me being optimistic)
sacred grove
And this is just their single-player story experience. The gigantic persistent universe they originally promised is still even further out
if at all
visual hill
so I tried sm64coop-ex today… and I found it has support for arbitrary framerates of all things!
@river veldt this is what hell looks like (at 120 FPS no less)
fresh bane
I love how the final Mario just peacefully accepts death
I never thought I'd see multiplayer m64
visual hill
and on PC no less 🙂
There were people making ROM hacks for use with N64 emulation and netplay, which let you play online via emulators but it was fiddly
here, you start the executable you compiled (there are tools that help you compile one), you choose a server from public lobbies and it automatically downloads the required mods
fresh bane
Yeah I assumed this was the pc port, people were doing something similar with OOT I remember so I'm not so surprised M64 is also getting one
It works better than I thought it would jesus christ, people are crazy with how much content they put into this
visual hill
I am very impressed, last time I touched the PC port was in September 2020
(over 3 years ago… time flies)
fresh bane
visual hill
it'll be interesting to see this with Perfect Dark in particular, though the PC port hasn't received much in the way of enhancements yet
fresh bane
the fact that these even exist at all is a miracle considering people just... do it, for no money or anything
mossy flume
Basically a 30 minute showcase of the game. It… actually has a surprising amount of detail in it.
Looks like they might have a game.
Only took them... what, 11, 12 years?
bitter stream
whoa, 10+ years? must have been some development hell
mossy flume
Getting into the polish phase of development, then after that it's the debug and optimization phase
It also still happens to be the most expensive game ever made
It sure seems like it has turned into the Avatar of video games. Whether it'll be worth it is still up in the air, though.
arctic fern
I dont think it was development hell so much as developers who wanted to add everything and polish it to an impossible shine
If they achieved that actually impossible goal however...
visual hill
Basically a 30 minute showcase of the game. It… actually has a surprising amount...
a lot of money was spent in Star Citizen development, it better be worth it
(it is technically impressive all things considered, but also very demanding)
Star Citizen pioneered a decal technique that lots of other developers followed: https://www.artstation.com/blogs/minimacman/gwY2/high-detail-pom-decals-inside-ue4-brief-reference-guide
mossy flume
Yeah, by my count they spent most of their time on engine development and prototyping.
They had to rebuild their whole engine like three times, supposedly
That video seems to speak to much of what they've been up to.
While an idealized showcase, it does show off some very impressive technical feats.
quiet swift
peak mesa
Meanwhile PS1 horror games: ”This game contains explicit scenes of horror and gore.”
While not a disclaimer, an FPS game from 1992 literally says ”Get Psyched!”
slim thorn
I like that it's much more explicit and specific about what the content might be
if I were to critique this warning, it'd be that more than half the text is not describing the content being warned about; that's the kind of thing that trains people to not read what you write
peak mesa
Yeah, the old SH/RE warning went straight to the point.
slim thorn
I think the sweet spot would be that whole first paragraph, and then one quick concluding sentence
river veldt
this game contains scenes
slim thorn
maybe break the paragraph into a bullet point list of the actual things being warned about (at least I find those much easier to skim than a solid paragraph)
gaunt marten
this game contains scenes
Game
visual hill
"This…" is what you should never say on Reddit.
random steppe
I mean, that disclamer is pretty good.
The generic "this game be violent" can be unhelpful depending on the person.
gaunt marten
Yeah, disclaimers are for liability, not for helping
Helpful disclaimers are a rarity and indicate thoughtful people are behind this
random steppe
It's still just one click to get past that...
Actually that's better than some PS1 games, they made you wait on the page
And that was everytime you booted up the game
That was bullshit
gaunt marten
I do not miss long loading screens
wind stump
little badger
https://fxtwitter.com/primevideo/status/1716469558620659726? @graceful bridge @mossy flume
graceful bridge
I should've expected they'd announce it today.
little badger
river veldt
i totally forgot they were making a Fallout series !
river veldt
I should've expected they'd announce it today. <:rdsnrk:587780329335422977>
omg yeah
visual hill
I do not miss long loading screens
I played a bit of Conker Live & Reloaded yesterday and the intro cutscene is itself cut in 4 with loading screens
loading screen, a part of the cutscene plays for like 15 seconds, loading screen
the OG Xbox really liked loading screens, it's quite common to have Xbox ports of PC games littered with them. This sometimes affected PC ports themselves like Thief: Deadly Shadows
mossy flume
little badger
<a:RarSpeechless:716040080279601252>
Did you see the fallout trailer midnight?
slim thorn
r/notharddrive
white phoenix
https://www.pcworld.com/article/2113816/diablo-iv-blizzard-raffles-off-gaming-pc...
They're... joking right? 
gaunt marten
Nothing is wrong with a little consensually collected human blood
light gate
Does the blood come from the developers' pain and suffering from the Activision CEO?
gaunt marten
They probably ask a blood bank for a tiny bit of expired blood and then put a drop of it as well as a bunch of coloring into the water cooling supply
rancid herald
Blood doesn’t seem like good coolant tbh
slim thorn
I assume actual blood is way too viscous
gaunt marten
Correct, thus they wouldn't use pure blood, only infuse the blood into the water
slim thorn
maybe plasma, though that's so close to water you could argue it doesn't count
mossy flume
I assume it's false advertising because that would be a biohazard otherwise.
slim thorn
of course plasma isn't even red so that loses the "cool factor", if there was one
why am I trying to make this work this is a bad idea
gaunt marten
In their FAQ they say ```Wait! A liquid cooled PC infused with real blood?!
A: Yep, REAL human blood. This PC is powered by an NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090, an Intel Core i9-13900K, 64 GB of DDR5 RAM, 3 TB Gen5 NVMe M.2 SSD storage, and comes in a signature Diablo red/black color palette with custom Season of Blood graphics.```
gaunt marten
of course plasma isn't even red so that loses the "cool factor", if there was on...
You can put the color back in as an additive!
mossy flume
I don't believe them.
slim thorn
sure, but at that point you might as well use a normal coolant and food coloring
gaunt marten
But then you don't get to say it was made with real human blood
random steppe
My assumption is that they injected like, the minimum amount of sterilised blood in the cooling system for this to not be considered false advertising
slim thorn
so many questions lol
random steppe
And the rest is just normal cooling liquid
Like 1cc of human blood
(IDK how much 1cc is)
smoky sonnet
a cubic centimeter?
mossy flume
"Someone once cut themselves while building this"
smoky sonnet
random steppe
That'd make sense
little badger
"Someone once cut themselves while building this"
What does your PC run on?
smoky sonnet
or a milliliter iirc
slim thorn
"we performed a ritual paper cut while reading Carmack's fast inverse square root backwards"
light gate
I'm gonna have a stroke.
mossy flume
What does your PC run on?
Hopes, dreams and spite. 
little badger
Hopes, dreams and spite. <:EeveeBlep:713667088522280980>
And pone?
light gate
Hopes, dreams and spite. <:EeveeBlep:713667088522280980>
read that as sprite™️
mossy flume
Nah, my PC is pone-free
mossy flume
read that as sprite™️
That too
light gate
Mc Donalds sprite would like a few words.
gaunt marten
i would kill for a sprite rn
Is 7-up okay?
light gate
Is that still around?
little badger
Nah, my PC is pone-free
If Dashie had a PC the cooling would be clouds.
slim thorn
for the chemists in the chat: how bad are fizzy drinks at being coolants?
gaunt marten
My mom orders a box of glass 7-up bottles every time she runs out
river veldt
Mc Donalds sprite would like a few words.
Mcdonalds sprite is so fucking good
gaunt marten
for the chemists in the chat: how bad are fizzy drinks at being coolants?
CO2 is a great thermal insulator so I imagine they must be poor
light gate
for the chemists in the chat: how bad are fizzy drinks at being coolants?
A coolant sprite pc build
huh
Make it Pepsi Crystal.
But you'd need a recarbonizer for the full effect, so I wonder if that could fit in a PC.
gaunt marten
Don't forget the classic
https://www.pugetsystems.com/mineral-oil-pc/
gaunt marten
Yeah, it's a toy rather than a practical example
thorny loom
visual hill
In their FAQ they say ```Wait! A liquid cooled PC infused with real blood?!
A: ...
same specs as me, but I have 4 TB of SSDs and aircooling
props for offering a solid PC build with no compromises still, which isn't a given in contests
light gate
How do you keep that 4090 from throttling?
gaunt marten
I give them no props because I'm not eligible
little badger
@river veldt Cap I just found my old 3DS and it has 64 inside!
river veldt
visual hill
How do you keep that 4090 from throttling?
for me, it never goes past 80°C even in the worst-case scenarios
the Suprim X is arguably the best aircooled 4090 you can get, it's very quiet and well-tuned out of the box
(it also exists in a watercooled version which is good… but it's watercooled, with all the quirks that implies)
rose rose
I have not had any issues with my air-cooled 4090. It just doesn't get very hot.
(the 13900k, on the other hand…)
quiet swift
sour hill
The blood PC reminded me of this
https://thefutureheart.com/blood-vinyl/
rancid herald
I'm actually kind of wondering how long the blood would last
real blood cells are recycled (by which I mean, destroyed) after 50ish days iirc
but that doesn't necessarily mean they're unintact
gaunt marten
Closer to 120 days, depending on the specific component
rancid herald
the red blood part
gaunt marten
120
gaunt marten
However, they can last much longer if you don't actually need them to deliver oxygen
light gate
Watch the blood be in a small box, while the watercooling is just red tinted water.
rancid herald
can they?
light gate
"Yes, it has real human blood"
gaunt marten
Yeah
light gate
It would be scummy, but they could.
rancid herald
like obviously you can freeze them or whatever but that's different from active circulation
you can freeze a lot of things and RBCs are pretty basic bags of hemoglobin
gaunt marten
The thing is, red blood cells do not die. There are natural processes in the body that destroy them
If the process does not exist, instead these blood cells slowly deteriorate and become less useful, eventually becoming detritus
rancid herald
I know they get destroyed, which why I'm wondering about the long term lifespan of a RBC being continually circulated but not destroyed. I don't know if they'd break down quickly after their time is up, or if they'd keep going for a longer period of time afterward before finally decaying
gaunt marten
In the case of a blood cooled computer it doesn't matter
In the case of uh
transfused blood, the half-life of useful blood is thirty days
rancid herald
I mean, it matters if you get a ugly iron tar clogging up your system at the 150 day mark
gaunt marten
It's unlikely that the entirety of the cooling solution is blood based.
A single drop is enough to satisfy their advertisement and will not impede cooling
slim thorn
@fresh bane time to beat up _the financial department _ 
...I think some part of me knew that line about the cannon was foreshadowing but lmao
fresh bane
''This is the greatest plan ever! 
''
''This is the dumbest plan ever 
''
I love how the start of that track they just skip straight into the important bits and are like ''oh man that was such a cool level wish you could've seen it anyways moving on''
also Korsica 808 is adorable
slim thorn
I thought I sucked at rhythm games but here I am getting ASS on half the levels (that's a good score)
rotund forge
I love how the start of that track they just skip straight into the important bi...
Yeah that was an inside joke with the developers. It's a reference to something (I can't remember about what) along with a way to cut out a level for time restraints. A double win if you will
slim thorn
I'm sure many of these meta jokes are 4th wall breaks
like the one where CNMN feels bad for the designer of that one huge robot we don't get to fight
fresh bane
Unfortunately no giant robot fight, sadge 
oh well
The intro thing was also a reference to another game franchise, I can't remember right now which one...
slim thorn
wow, that firebird miniboss was my first D clear time in a while
I was clearly not understanding how they wanted me to fight that
thorny loom
I love the markiplier face
sour hill
They should add a Markiplier mode to persona 5
rose rose
I am a fan of (though only vaguely passable at) rhythm games but completely disinterested in beat-em-up action games.
I thought Hi-Fi Rush was great and went through pretty much the entire game on the day it launched
It is possible to beat it on standard difficulty using nothing other than reasonably good timing and the basic attack, which worked out well for me.
river veldt
They should add a Markiplier mode to persona 5
i think every game should have a Markiplier mode
gaunt marten
Even Jerma Simulator?
fresh bane
I was clearly not understanding how they wanted me to fight that
Fire bird things still give me a lot of trouble
They're very aggressive
I just completely brute force it and spam assists and whack it while tanking the hits
slim thorn
for me it kept recovering so fast I couldn't seem to get half my assists or a full combo to connect
I'm like 85% sure I missed something
fresh bane
If you did I don't know because the same happens to me
Peppermint is the one that knocks them down I think I don't know if Korsica does anything to the fire ones specifically
But I assume you're meant to knock them down and wait for them in the ground but... That's tough to do when there's 50 other robots on your ass
And since there's no lock on mechanic you can't manually aim Peppermint in a fight
rotund forge
I'm dreading the day I buy HiFi Rush. I'm good at rhythm but not amazing at it. I'm also a completionist sooo...yeah
fresh bane
I was going for 100% before you started playing
As much as I can anyways, mostly going back to previous levels and completing the minigames and other challenges
rotund forge
this definitely isn't a 100% game for me, it's a play once and then pass out
I can definitely do that, but I'm the kinda guy that will go for 100 until I get bored, complete it, or rage quit
lol
fresh bane
I too get a weird fixation with completing as much as I can on a game
fresh bane
To the point where for games where I have even a slight issue where I could totally miss out on something or my brain can't focus enough to actually remember if the game requires you to remember certain things I just use guides to help guide me and check any stuff I might've missed before progressing
I remember using a very useful interactive map for RE3 and for RE1 I used a ''map walkthrough'' someone made on reddit
very useful because I don't want to be told what to do exactly or read a guide but the map gives me that quick visual aid
slim thorn
there are plenty of games which I 100% in some weak sense because it's actually fun to do that extra stuff, but it really depends
also every single miniboss why
fresh bane
ASSD! 
slim thorn
it wasn't up to me that it kept choosing to stay invincible 
those doors man, taunting me
rotund forge
Peppermint best female protag of 2023
fresh bane
also this is interesting, this is the first quest of this kind I've seen in this game
this old lady I rescued into the main hub town gave me a notebook and told me she loves the view from the lighthouse and to draw it for her, had to go to the top and use the notebook to draw it, I was a bit suspicious since I thought it'd just do it automatically and I didn't want to risk messing up the quest and using the notebook for nothing but hey
that's pretty cool
slim thorn
of course this would be the day my laptop gets laggy
gaunt marten
You should delete files in the windows folder
slim thorn
omg I nailed the rhythm parry on the bird first try and got SSS
of course this would be the time I fail to screenshot it
fresh bane
I believe it
rotund forge
You should delete files in the windows folder
Inscryption player in the making
river veldt
Inscryption mentioned
rotund forge
I watched like 3 whole playthroughs and not ONCE did they use the overcharge ability with the full battery...
slim thorn
how full is "full" exactly?
I can't tell how many reverb gauges I have but I still use my 4x special sometimes
rotund forge
I forget exactly how it happpened now that I think about it. I just remember having 3 different people not using a core mechanic for attacking....like the exact same mechanic
slim thorn
ah well, I use the 2x special all the time
also, Stanley Parable has taught me that the only good solution to this situation is to unplug the phone
but it won't let me
quiet swift
🍓 
arctic fern
git gud skrub
slim thorn
anyway despite all those Ds on miniboss times and missing like half my parries in the boss it still deemed me ADEQUATE
slim thorn
Kale is so screwed 
this is the last track, right?
I love this game
well fudge, final phase is death looping me
fresh bane
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yeyeyeye fuck him up!
fresh bane
well fudge, final phase is death looping me
well it is the final phase
slim thorn
FUCK YEAH
quiet swift
This vaguely reminds me of Okami, scoring your combat speed and... something else. How often you got hit, maybe?
pokes folk here to play Okami
fresh bane
It's actually probably a Bayonetta thing
quiet swift
(also on switch)
slim thorn
well it’s a standard spectacle fighter thing
Platinum made a lot of the best spectacle fighters, and also Okami, so that’s probably why
Bayonetta and Metal Gear Rising also do this per-fight grading thing
DMC does too, right?
fresh bane
Nope DMC does not
slim thorn
ooooh
fresh bane
It's only a Platinum thing
slim thorn
gtk
well Hi-Fi’s not Platinum, right?
or was “Tango Gameworks” what the ex-Platinum devs made
I forgot how that drama shook out
oh nope, Tango is Shinji Mikami's thing
gaunt marten
I'm not pirating a game when I haven't played the games I paid money for yet
slim thorn
(but also yes play Okami)
thorny loom
Thats the anime dog game yes
light gate
Okami is alright, I just haven't really had the proper port to play it.
Gonna need to get a console that has the HD port.
fresh bane
oh nope, Tango is Shinji Mikami's thing
well Shinji Mikami did work on Platinum once but his thing since Tango Gameworks has been his usual horror themed games like when he worked at Capcom
This is just Platinum inspiration I guess
slim thorn
guess so
even Platinum doesn't always do fight grading; it wouldn't have worked at all in Nier: Automata's structure
that does feel like the exception though
it's a shame I haven't heard good things about any of their post-Automata games
looking back on the list, I've played a surprisingly large fraction of their games before that
robust latch
https://store.steampowered.com/app/587620/Okami_HD/
back in the day i bought a ps2 and then a ps3 and a wii JUST to play okami
i have basicly played it though on each platform it came out for
all time fav game
fresh bane
I keep forgetting Nier is a Platinum game, probably because Hideki Kamiya had nothing to do with it and I associate him with most Platinum games
same with Metal Gear Rising
What a coincidence both of those games are fantastic too, seems like a pattern there
slim thorn
there's a lot of cross-pollination going on between these studios
fresh bane
out of all places this is where this fucking cat decides to go
slim thorn
hm... my overall track grades were 3 Bs, 8 As and 1 S
that's gotta be the best I've ever done on the first/only playthrough of a spectacle fighter
usually I'm lucky to get more As than Cs
unsure how much of that is me gelling with the rhythm mechanics and how much is it actually being easier
it feels like both
fresh bane
I don't wanna say it's easy because it very much isn't but it's definitely on the easier side for these types of games, kinda has to be because of all the stuff going on and mixed genres, I actually had to switch from Hard to Normal because I just couldn't play otherwise (also because of the previously mentioned mouse problem I had for the entire game that I only managed to correct literally after finishing)
But like I said you actually performed better than I did on most levels and fights
slim thorn
yeah, the word is definitely easi_er_
like, compared to (my vague and distant memories of) Bayonetta 1-2 or Metal Gear Rising
(or Transformers Devastation but nobody remembers that exists)
you said you used mouse and keyboard?
I definitely prefer controller for this, I wonder if that's a factor
dense crypt
i remember devastation how dare you
we dont remember it because its lisence expired with hasbruh a while back
fresh bane
There's a transformers character action game? 
fresh bane
you said you used mouse and keyboard?
I use mouse and keyboard for everything, I don't have a controller, it's probably the better choice for this game but I actually ended up finding that binding the attacks to keyboard keys was comfortable enough for me
slim thorn
yep, Transformers: Devastation is another Platinum Games spectacle fighter, imo almost as good as its more well-known games but it was so long since I played it
fresh bane
I kept having this bug where the mouse would essentially still be active in a way even though the game was in full screen and the mouse was invisible so if I played on windowed mode I'd have times where I'd click outside the game or click the game window and stretch it out
dense crypt
its basically a console exclusive now since the lisence ran out for the game and it isnt sold on any digital storefronts anymore
fresh bane
Even playing on borderless windowed mode, a lot of times the mouse would just not register a click, I assume because it was clicking the window border or outside the game, so a lot of times I'd miss some qtes like the parries and I'd just be unable to attack or continue combos
slim thorn
interesting
fresh bane
its basically a console exclusive now since the lisence ran out for the game and...
A pirate's life for me....
slim thorn
tbh that's part of the reason I prefer a controller for most games
fresh bane
oh this game is a ps3 game... I thought this was recent
was there not a relatively recent transformers game? 
slim thorn
"keeping the cursor inside the window" is kind of a strange problem that exemplifies how mice were really not designed to be a gaming device
(yes I understand that many people find mice way more precise than analog sticks)
fresh bane
they really weren't but they're so intrinsically connected to the pc gaming experience now it's impossible to design an alternative
slim thorn
if there's a noteworthy recent TF game I am not aware of it
fresh bane
The closest thing I know is a special mouse I remember a league of legends youtuber I watched uses where it's basically a pad of sorts and the mouse has a lot of buttons on it
Let me look it up
slim thorn
I "only" own three TF games on Steam: War For/Fall of Cybertron, and Devastation
fresh bane
slim thorn
what
robust latch
a friend of mine uses one of those for art along side their graphics tablet
all the macro keys to quickly change pen modes and navigate menus without letting go of the pen
fresh bane
So I'm pretty sure it works like a pad which is that little part on the right there which works for the mouse movement, think of something like the pad on the steam controller although other types have a joystick, so you use your thumb for any cursor movement
the rest is just customizable keys and the design is actually extremely comfortable people say
fresh bane
all the macro keys to quickly change pen modes and navigate menus without lettin...
yeah it's a very comfortable thing to use
If I didn't care about not spending a lot of money on stuff I would probably get it for art too (and maybe gaming if I ever put the time into figuring out how it works), it's actually pretty cool
alright... I'm interested....
weak river
I will also jump on the Devastation praise train. That game was very fun, and I would absolutely recommend it to you if the gameplay catches your eye.
...I mean, good luck actually getting your hands on it, but still.
river veldt
what is this
green fulcrum
They...actually updated the game.
My God.
fresh bane
No this isn't TF2
this is an actual update
not a huuuuge update but, still, a nice update
fresh bane
I will also jump on the Devastation praise train. That game was very fun, and I ...
not a problem 
also this reminds me so much of Rising's UI
slim thorn
I was not expecting to start this but I'm very happy with the outcome
fresh bane
''hey remember witch time?''
Oh my god this really is just Metal Gear Rising with a Transformers skin
they even go sick metal tunes
visual hill
oh that reminds me to claim Ghostwire, thanks
weak river
Oh my god this really is just Metal Gear Rising with a Transformers skin
Just about.
Honestly, I'd argue that the camera angles are actually more agreeable in Devastation. I can't recall having to fight an enemy in this game that I couldn't see on the screen. If it did happen, it must be far less common than in Rising.
visual hill
Oh my god this really is just Metal Gear Rising with a Transformers skin
They played us like a damn fiddle!
fresh bane
Wrong Metal Gear but I'll take it
More like Yes! Yes! Split it wide open!
That first boss fight felt like the Ray fight
why did I have so much fun with this transformers game out of all things and Platinum of all companies made it too
weak river
Honestly, most of the Transformers games that I've played have actually been good games. I still maintain that Fall of Cybertron is a genuinely well-made and fun shooter.
Admittedly, I haven't played through the franchise's entire repertoire, but what I have played was better than I was anticipating.
fresh bane
I've actually seen some gameplay of that I think
yep lol
I remember seeing somewhere something about a thread of games where there's interactable stuff on cutscenes and one of them was the ''Press A to shut Starscream up'' or something like that
Transformers games have weirdly high quality which is weird because I don't really hear about them all the time at all
Maybe it's because I know nothing about Transformers and I'm clearly outside the demographic of these games for fans but I never usually hear or see about Transformers games too much
But damn, the little snippet of Devastation I played, that shit is good 
(apparently the ''Coronation, Starscream? This is bad comedy'' thing is a reference to the cartoons)
I will say the pure badassery of taking down someone like 10 seconds after they get coronated is pretty awesome poor guy didn't even get to do anything
fresh bane
Yeah this has been flying around a lot
I've seen a lot of people say that but... come on
it takes like 2 seconds to be like ''hey was that cuba or PR's flag...? let me just look it up real quick''
I've also weirdly seen a lot of people hate on Spiderman 2 seemingly
teal sonnet
it is fucking great
river veldt
moreso than Spider-Man 1 at least
fresh bane
No no, not people laughing about this, or a large majority in general
Just people being negative for small reasons
I guess it's just because the game has gotten very popular and was hyped a lot, there's always people like that
(I've also heard other valid complaints about being disappointed by the game which is fair criticism but I haven't played either so no comment from my part there)
river veldt
like the person on Twitter who's disappointed Insomniac didn't go out of their way to model the interiors of every single apartment in New York City
fresh bane
I only looked up the available suits in the game which look great I love a lot of them, the original designs look kinda ass unfortunately, but other suits from the comics and other media are amazing
Yeah there was one tweet about a guy being mad you can't enter the subway which was silly
river veldt
i dont like the ones with the cape
fresh bane
|| Noir || suit doesn't look like it translates to Spiderman gameplay very well unfortunately
Should've used the Shattered Dimensions design instead
river veldt
i like how ||Miles' Spiderverse suit has half frames like the movie, though it's kind of jarring||
fresh bane
that was a thing in the first game too and I don't think it looks great
dire gate
I guess it's just because the game has gotten very popular and was hyped a lot, ...
There is a critical point of hype, and after that people start to become "Well, it's not that good"
fresh bane
Nah I'm not talking about that
I'm talking about people going ''WTF is this shit??? I can't go into the subway system???? what a fucking trash game 
60 dollars wasted!!!!1111''
fickle garnet
Just people being negative for small reasons
The tweet about the bike getting hit by a train comes to mind
fresh bane
I've also seen a guy get super mad that MJ isn't hot in this game and while I agree on the fact that I dislike her new design/face I think that's peak comic book fan behavior
dire gate
I'm talking about people going ''WTF is this shit??? I can't go into the subway ...
That is not even worth caring about, they will just exist
river veldt
Peter's face looks way better in this game
fresh bane
But I have seen people give legitimate criticism to the game even on day 1 which is completely fine
green fulcrum
I've also weirdly seen a lot of people hate on Spiderman 2 seemingly
The only thing I'm disappointed about is how they kinda screwed up a lot of the models and textures on launch. It'll most definitely be patched soon, but it's kinda jarring how good it looked in the promotional reels and then on release the graphical quality is not nearly up to snuff.
Other than that though, by all rights it's a high-quality gaming experience and seems to be doing very well for itself. All the other complaints I've seen are how it's "too woke" (???) and how MJ looks bad (which, gonna be honest, is horseshit; she looks just fine).
fresh bane
https://vxtwitter.com/TheBlackViking3/status/1715471015503945815?t=rsH5byXx04t-M...
Should go see a doctor about that, arms aren't supposed to do that 
fickle garnet
You have to go super out of the way and purposefully do this to get that glifch
river veldt
The only thing I'm disappointed about is how they kinda screwed up a lot of the ...
"too woke" means there are pride flags and 2 queer characters, don't listen to those people lol
green fulcrum
"too woke" means there are pride flags and 2 queer characters, don't listen to t...
I know, thus the "???"
Because it's dumb.
river veldt
it's neat that Black Cat is bi
dire gate
"What, do you think there are less than 2 queers in New York?"
green fulcrum
Can't LGBT people have ONE win without people telling us to sit down and get out?
green fulcrum
it's neat that Black Cat is bi
Ngl, I thought she always was.
fickle garnet
People getting mad at a Spiderman game for supporting LGBTQ+ characters is super funny cuz its fucking Spiderman of course he supports LGBTQ+ people
green fulcrum
I took one look at her in the comics and I was like, "Yup, that woman is bi as hell".
dire gate
I can kind of understand such kind of criticism if it's like there are 40 characters and 38 of them are queer for no specific context, like that's unlikely without a correct setup
But if it's like "there are 40 characters and 6 of them are queer" then it's like, yeah that's totally just real
green fulcrum
I can kind of understand such kind of criticism if it's like there are 40 charac...
Q-Force, lol
river veldt
My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic
fresh bane
I did bring up the other day the fact that the spanish version of the game seems to include ''inclusive'' spanish which is a whole topic in and of itself but that's probably the most legitimate criticism I can think of when it comes to being '''''''''''woke''''''', the word itself is basically a parody at this point
green fulcrum
(Which, let's be honest, nobody asked for, least of all the LGBT community.)
green fulcrum
~~My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic~~
river veldt
in a world where being gay is the norm (Equestria)
fresh bane
Ngl, I thought she always was.
Spiderman 2 sure isn't the first to make Black Cat bisexual but I think it's mostly a recent thing
For most of her story and most of the time she's Spiderman-sexual
fickle garnet
Theres also a really racist criticism i saw calling miles' mom a taco character and getting mad that she spoke in English and Spanish
green fulcrum
Ngl, it genuinely wouldn't surprise me if literally everypony in Equestria is pansexual at this point.
Of course, that's also very unlikely, but it wouldn't surprise me.
river veldt
that's just being racist that's not even a criticism
fickle garnet
Yeah
dire gate
fim is like "how gay the military is" but reverse-gendered /j
fresh bane
that's a great quote out of context
green fulcrum
Theres also a really racist criticism i saw calling miles' mom a taco character ...
That's just garbage person spreading their garbage around. Don't listen to them.
fresh bane
''wait a minute, this isn't criticism, this is just being racist ''
fickle garnet
That's just garbage person spreading their garbage around. Don't listen to them.
Only reason i saw it was cuz of a tweet criticizing them for saying it
fresh bane
Depending on what that means I could understand, a lot of times when media portrays multicultural characters or characters whose first language isn't english they always tend to fall into the trope of making them use like one expression or word in their language to kind of remind you ''hey this character is from X country!'' and it's really annoying and completely not how people mix the languages, but I don't know if that's what that person was referring to
Especially in places like Puerto Rico I've noticed it's not uncommon to just completely switch between both languages
Oh a 4chan anon, yeah who cares
minor plover
why is this being signal-boosted?
river veldt
yeah let's not spread that around
river veldt
you're fine
fickle garnet
Most of the criticism for the game is just so bad
fresh bane
On a more appropriate topic, and I don't know how much of a spoiler this is, they finally added the best live action outfit into a Spiderman game
fickle garnet
On a more appropriate topic, and I don't know how much of a spoiler this is, the...
Ive been using that suit a lot
river veldt
that's not Tobey Maguire's suit
fresh bane
and interestingly, they also added the other one too 
sour hill
If we reacted to every awful or dumb thing someone said on 4chan, we'd never talk about anything else
fresh bane
If we talked or reacted to every stupid shit anons on 4chan say we'd lose brain cells so quickly we'd devolve into cavemen
minor plover
as a general rule, responding to bad takes gives those bad takes legs. Like if it already has legs within your social circles, it may be worth debunking, but if it's like only being spread as a bad take, adding to it doesn't improve the situation
fresh bane
not to spam but these are some of my favourite new suits from this game that weren't in the games before
Classic symbiote is so good, I didn't like the default robotic mecha look the one in the game has, so that one is amazing
fickle garnet
Robotic mecha symbiote suit?
fresh bane
The symbiote design in Spiderman 2 has very odd segmentations on the suit that make it look like a robot
I didn't like it at all, so I appreciate the alternative simpler more comic accurate suit
fickle garnet
Oh
astral steeple
ngl one of my few complaints with the new spiderman game is that theres no ps1 era type suit
as a throwback to the first 3d spiderman game
spiderman 2000
river veldt
they look more like muscles to me
fickle garnet
I think it looks fine
astral steeple
that version being added as a suit you could use would have made the game perfect lol
fresh bane
That's fine, I just appreciate the alternative for people like me who do not like it
I would like a low poly 2000s Spiderman outfit but unfortunately no there isn't one
Just the Spiderverse ones with low framerates
fickle garnet
I like this suit for Miles
fresh bane
Eeeeh none of Miles' suits look that great to me unfortunately
The best miles suits are probably the 2020 one and The End one, those are great
The others are fine or way too noisy for me
old man Miles and cool futuristic Cyberpunk Miles
river veldt
aw yeah it looks like they brought the homemade suit from Homecoming back
that's one of my favourites
astral steeple
oh yeah another suit that would have been cool is one that gives peter the spider-gwen color pallete lol
fresh bane
This one is also pretty cool although not as cool as others, I feel like this is a teaser for the next game too
astral steeple
the pink and the white
river veldt
the trans Spider-Man suit
fickle garnet
Also i love how fast you can traverse the map in Spider-man 2
random steppe
Those are pretty damn sweet
river veldt
Also i love how fast you can traverse the map in Spider-man 2
i really like the web wings
weak river
I've been avoiding everything Spider-Man 2 related until I can play it, but I absolutely must know one thing.
...do they still have the Jameson broadcasts?
fickle garnet
Yes
weak river
Good, good.
Would have been unplayable without them.
astral steeple
oh yeah another suit they should have done for the new game
would have been super sick
random steppe
The person I wanted to watch the game from hasn't started it yet sadly, and no PS here and no interest in getting one so I'll wait the few years until it gets to PC before actually playing it.
random steppe
I still have to play the Miles Morales spinoff so I'll play that at some point between here and there
I don't mind waiting TBH, the 1st one was fun but it wasn't like, something transcental for me.
Happy this one is good as well
fresh bane
I think these games get too much hype because Spiderman is a very hot topic right now and also there hasn't been a great Spiderman game like this since... I want to say Ultimate or Web of Shadows
The last Spiderman games were the two TASM movie tie-in games which were.... fine
astral steeple
the ps2 era spiderman games were pretty good
random steppe
I mean they are really good, if someone came to me and they said it's their favourite game ever I could see why.
It's just not my favourite genre personally
fresh bane
But yeah these games I don't think are life changing, they're very good from what I've seen and very well made, big budget, talented artists, but nothing that's gonna make me want to go out and buy a PS5 because I must experience this
astral steeple
the ones with bruce campbell as the narrator
river veldt
The person I wanted to watch the game from hasn't started it yet sadly, and no P...
ive been watching jacksepticeye play which has been fun
astral steeple
same
river veldt
i really like Kraven in this game
fresh bane
Ehhh PS2 era has a handful of good ones, Ultimate was incredible, Spiderman 2 of course, Friend or Foe was pretty fun
The others are alright
random steppe
I have always been a bit too outside Jack demographic but I could give it a shot and see if I don't mind it as much
river veldt
yeah i kinda figured haha
astral steeple
also black cat being bi is super sick lol
fresh bane
I wonder if they'll ever do another game like Edge of Time or Shattered Memories again, as much as Spiderman and open world gameplay are intrinsically connected because of course they are, the more campaign focused linear games are still really good
river veldt
i will say he's chilled out a lot in these past few years
fresh bane
Spiderman 2000 and Enter Electro are still legendary
river veldt
2015 Jack and 2023 Jack are like, completely different people haha
fresh bane
There are mods for Spiderman 2000 mainly for re-texturing which does a good job at remastering the game
river veldt
is Spider-Man 2000 the one based off the animated series
fresh bane
there's also a mod to add the 2000 low poly Spiderman into Spiderman ps4
Uuuhhhhhhhhh
astral steeple
sm2000 is based off the comic spiderman
fresh bane
I mean, some voices are the same because that's what the actors were at the time, and the theme is the one from the 60s cartoon but no, it's all just comicbook Spiderman
river veldt
The game's soundtrack was composed by Tommy Tallarico
holy shit
his mother must be very proud
astral steeple
really the only downside to sm2000 is not being able to go on the streets
which was kinda fixed in Enter Electro
though they did kinda explain why you couldnt go on the ground through lore reasons
dapper cedar
Spiderman 2000 and Enter Electro are still legendary
reminiscing on a childhood full of i'm already at full health
weak river
Tomorrow's the day, it seems.
...still sort of difficult to believe that this collection actually exists.
fresh bane
What improvements do they actually add to MG1-2 in the collection?
Just regular ports?
random steppe
Vol 1 so far is only the pre PS1 games right?
river veldt
no
fickle garnet
Its metal gear solid 1, 2, and 3 and
weak river
"Metal Gear Solid master collection"
>No MGS game included
Those were just two of the ones listed; MGS 1, 2, and 3 are also in there.
random steppe
Then whoever made that page is an idiot and should be fired
fresh bane
Yeah no that's just a steam page that shows MG1-2's pack
The vol 1 is all 3 Solid games plus MG1-2
random steppe
Good to know
weak river
I guess they did it so that the games show up seperately in your library
That's probably the case. There seems to be, like, five pages for this one collection.
random steppe
Really curious to see how these will be recieved
I'll be surprised if they actually put some effort in this
mossy flume
Yeah. Also it’s weird how some reviewer claimed that they were terrible multiple months in advance before review copies were sent out.
mossy flume
But yeah, it wouldn’t surprise me very much if they were half-assed entirely just as insult to injury to the franchise and nothing else.
But I wouldn’t make any judgements until they’re actually out
random steppe
Yeah I'm definitely hoping for the best
weak river
Well, we won't have to wait long.
mossy flume
If the early sketchy claims turn out to be accurate then it’ll be pretty sad that running them on an emulator would be better than an official port.
mossy flume
Well, we won't have to wait long.
Presumably we only have to wait about another 30 minutes.
random steppe
Listen it's a win win situation
dire gate
A Hideo KojimaKONAMI game
random steppe
Either we get good MGS games on PC and other platforms, or we get a news cycle shitting on Konami
Both are wins in my book
mossy flume
***A ~~Hideo Kojima~~KONAMI game***
If they do actually replace that text that’ll be absolutely bonkers
Somehow I can’t rule out the possibility
fresh bane
Oh yeah no these will just be regular ports so don't get your hopes up that these will be anything crazy this is Konami
random steppe
Them being functional would already be okay
fresh bane
I already have MGS1-2 on GOG so I don't see a particular reason to buy this collection
it will basically be just like the previous MGS HD collection
mossy flume
I’ve not yet played the MGS series and I’m hoping this’ll be good enough to let me do that in a convenient way. If it’ll work on Steam Deck then even better.
fresh bane
Just on PC now
astral steeple
fresh bane
You're not getting a Silent Hill HD collection thing where the games are arguably worse at least
So the fact that the games aren't completely fucked is enough to praise and be excited for I guess
fresh bane
i refuse to give money to Konami but maybe this will open the door for modding to improve these games on PC hopefully
mossy flume
Supposedly
fresh bane
If it does I'd probably get it on sale just for the mod support
white phoenix
Knowing konami and all the leaks/news on this, everything points to them doing the bare minimum for this
But... mgs4 in vol 2, and now we're talking
random steppe
I am worried because MGS4 looks good enough that they could actually fuck up the perofrmance, while up to 3, it's ps2 games, even if you don't really optimise them, modern hardware is gonna chew through them
novel pine
wait till you PLAY ffxiv 😂
random steppe
Also PS3 games are historically hard to port, because of the weird architecture it had
white phoenix
The way mgs4 was allegedly developed does give a lot of concerns as to performance on pc and ps5
fresh bane
Well MGS4 has never been ported on anything so that'd be new uncharted territory there
I honestly think Konami porting MGS4 for these new collections would be far too much work than Konami wants to put into anything
But I'm hoping
novel pine
The way mgs4 was allegedly developed does give a lot of concerns as to performan...
it still runs better emulated on PC than it does streamed to PS5 or ran natively on PS3
white phoenix
It still is far from perfect
novel pine
oh yeah the emulator is rough
white phoenix
Its probably the holy grail of ps3 emulation due to how its coded and the fact that its only on ps3
novel pine
i saw a video showcasing keyboard and mouse controls added to MGS4 which was cool, but ive played MGS4 Online (emulated) with mouse and it was NOT pleasant
novel pine
Its probably the holy grail of ps3 emulation due to how its coded and the fact t...
Definitely is
3 and 4 are actually the only mainline metal gear games not on PC
but even 3 is on modern consoles too
fresh bane
I'd say Peace Walker is pretty main line
Portable Ops also sets some story beats for later but maybe a little less so
novel pine
oh yes, peace walker too... but its not like youre missing out on much not playing it xP
fresh bane
Peace Walker is the bridge between 3 and 5 I'd say you'd be missing an entire arc for Snake and the introduction of many things by skipping it
novel pine
portable ops too but that's better off emulated because you're going to go insane trying to play it without a turbo mode switch
novel pine
Peace Walker is the bridge between 3 and 5 <:rdsnrk:587780329335422977> I'd say ...
the gameplay is very lacking
white phoenix
...really?
fresh bane
It's virtually the same as MGS4 but on PSP so it's gonna be awkward
weak river
Anything Kojima-directed can probably be considered mainline relatively safely.
Portable Ops is a bit of an interesting one; it's story-relevant, but I'm not sure if Kojima actually directed that one.
fresh bane
PS3 HD collection Peace Walker is the way to play it
novel pine
It's virtually the same as MGS4 but on PSP so it's gonna be awkward
yes, and simplified in all aspects including level design and whatnot.. its also very repetitive
white phoenix
I thought it was nice cause it was basically mgsv before mgsv
random steppe
PSP games aged really bad because of the console limitation imposed on game design.
Small levels and really compromised control schemes
fresh bane
Portable Ops is far more simple than Peace Walker, all things considered Peace Walker is actually pretty damn good for a PSP
random steppe
So we'll see
novel pine
nonetheless im super excited to replay the entire series once the PC collection drops (and also try out some new games because its coming with AC!D and I think some other spinoffs)
fresh bane
Anything Kojima-directed can probably be considered mainline relatively safely.
...
A lot of people don't consider Portable Ops canon because muh Kojima but it really is
It sets up the whole idea of Outer Heaven for Snake
random steppe
Like, you can fix those limitations but you need to do more than just porting them, you need to work on them, and no fucking way Konami does anything of the sort
novel pine
kojima said some of portable ops is canon.. but it doesnt really matter what someone else thinks of it, if you want the story to be canon then just have it be canon xP
fresh bane
PSP games aged really bad because of the console limitation imposed on game desi...
Like I said PS3 HD Peace Walker is the way to go
They ''fix'' the controls for this version and somewhat remaster the visuals which is nice but obviously it's still a PSP game
novel pine
its still pretty rough for an at-home game you sit down to play
fresh bane
The most notorious thing is Snake's face having absolutely zero emotions
novel pine
also peacewalkers "true" ending is horrible. you need to idle and do a bunch of repetitive fetch quests in levels youve already played
random steppe
In PW they did go with the comic style cutscenes right? That was a good choice that got around the limitations of the console
novel pine
In PW they did go with the comic style cutscenes right? That was a good choice t...
never was a fan of them but they do look nice
weak river
A lot of people don't consider Portable Ops canon because muh Kojima but it real...
Indeed; personally, I think that Portable Ops definitely makes positive contributions to the overall storyline.
My memory of the specifics is somewhat fuzzy, but I seem to recall there being some continuity issues? Something about the Gray Fox's origin being changed?
novel pine
i like how peacewalker looks in-engine tho so i actually wouldve prefered rendered cutscenes
fresh bane
Yeah, the cutscenes in PW alternate from in-engine to a motion comic style
novel pine
Indeed; personally, I think that Portable Ops definitely makes positive contribu...
the only thing i remember being important about PO is info about revolver ocelot and gray fox
random steppe
They weren't amazing but I guarantee that they were leagues better than whatever else you could fit on a PSP disc at the time
novel pine
its still an awesome metal gear solid story tho
random steppe
Using 3d
novel pine
I really like the grafix and lighting in this game
id love to see a game made in this specific 'aesthetic'
fresh bane
Indeed; personally, I think that Portable Ops definitely makes positive contribu...
There's some slight contradictions with the backstory of Gray Fox in MG2-PO-MGSV but it's minor stuff that you could easily just squeeze in an explanation for
nothing too major there
weak river
id love to see a game made in this specific 'aesthetic'
Well, then let me tell you about this video game called “Metal Gear Solid: Portable Ops”. You’ll love the aesthetic in that one.
novel pine
Well, then let me tell you about this video game called “Metal Gear Solid: Porta...
lol ya
portable ops looks good too
fresh bane
Portable Ops really doesn't feel nice to play unfortunately
novel pine
its just simpler mgs3 tho (graphics wise)
fresh bane
I think it's interesting seeing Portable Ops and Peace Walker being in the same console because you can not only see what the console was capable of after devs knew how to fully utilize it but also because PO uses the same MGS3 style gameplay where it was almost a transitional style between the classic stealth of MGS1-2 and the more action oriented third person style of MGS4-5
For the type of games that these two are which these two go for more of a mission based base building style, Peace Walker is way more fun to actually play
The only issue was the clunky controls that gave you permanent claw hand but with fixed controls and an actual second joystick it's a pretty solid experience
robust latch
random thought. I need a mod for factorio that replaces biters with changelings
fresh bane
Yeah we commented on this a little earlier 
might make me hop back in actually
this game is really fun and it has been on life support with a small playerbase for a while now
dire gate
giant list of patch notes
fresh bane
Listen, after years of nothing this might as well be huge
random steppe
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/heroes-of-the-storm-gets-a-giant-list-of-pa...
What year is it?
I wonder if it's realistic to think this has anything to do with microsoft, a patch this big would have been in the works for months and they technically just now finalised the purchase
I have my doubts but it could be
That said why spin a PTR if they don't want to actually test shit?
So some content must be coming right? By necessity
Oh nevermind the patch is arriving on the PTR, i though they were adding a PTR, so it could just be a one time thing
fresh bane
It's not huge changes or updates, it's minor fixes and such but still it's crazy that it just came out of nowhere
Perfectly possible for this to have been cooked up after or during the purchase but I don't know if it has much to do with it
random steppe
Yeah seemed like UI stuff and a bunch of balance changes
fresh bane
Though I wonder why now
bitter stream
Microsoft Money maybe lets them support it a bit longer?
random steppe
IDK I don't think it'll get revitalised personally, but maybe they have some plans, maybe give people access to some heroes and items if you link your gamepass acount.
And they wanted to make sure the game was in shape for when that happens
fresh bane
I mean whether or not it does is entirely dependant on how much they plan to actually update and support the game in the future
I've wanted to come back to HOTS for a while because it's a legitimately really fun and well done moba and to be fair it does still have a playerbase
It's not big but you will get matches fairly consistently
So it's not dead dead fortunately
random steppe
Does Microsoft have a Moba?
I know they do partner with Riot so they do have one on the Xbox client but it's not quire the same thing as having one you own
fresh bane
I don't think so
the only big mobas I can think of are Dota and LoL and they've dominated ever since their inception pretty much
dire gate
League is linked with XBox Game Pass, that is all I think
fresh bane
HOTS never got as big but the number of people who did play said very good things about it and I remember liking it a lot, it's optimized for maximum fun
mossy flume
Dungeons of Eternity, a VR game bankrolled by Meta for the Quest, is basically Diablo / a roguelike for VR. With coop multiplayer, local and online!
Just tried it and it's actually.. really fun.
dire gate
I guess they own the Crash Bandicoot moba thing now? lol
fresh bane
I guess technically Pokemon does have that mobile moba thing
bleak lintel
Microsoft does have a moba now, Heroes of the Storm.
League with Game Pass lets you play every champion, kind of like Dota 2.
fresh bane
I remember my first time playing Dota and realizing all champs are unlocked by default
I was like did.... did the game glitch out? I don't have to spend 15k hours or hundreds of dollars to unlock the basic game roster?
rotund forge
Okay so...Super Mario Bros Wonder? Has the best damn Bowser fight I have ever seen. Period.
thorny loom
oh god i remember when this was the thing https://store.steampowered.com/app/252330/Slender_The_Arrival/
devout pagoda
Omg, I remember this game long time ago
It s awesome that they made a remake
The graphics are so realistic
And The Slender Man it s so creppy
quiet swift
This character design looks awfully familiar
mossy flume
Ha yep
They released a sequel too
They have a bunch of different Legally Distinct™️ characters
bitter stream
aww that's so cute
quiet swift
gaunt marten
Now remake all of AoE 2 in Skyrim
random steppe
Listen for how funny this is, I'm like pretty sure this is definitely not the kind of game we allow to be posted in here
quiet swift
Huh, thought it was just a clicker game. I didn't actually investigate further
little badger
little badger
quiet swift
I prefer the cat DLC
thorny loom
rotund forge
Spidercube! Spidercube! Does whatever a Spidercube does! Spin a web? Yes he can! Look out! Here comes the Spidercubeeee!!
gaunt marten
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Have fun!```Apparently, it's not allowed for you to look at your save file
Your own save file on your own computer
rose rose
That seems entirely reasonable for a competition
gaunt marten
Why?
thorny loom
I thought that was in general for a second
rose rose
Because it can provide you with information you aren't supposed to have
thorny loom
And was like wtf
rose rose
I bet they ban reading the game's memory too
Also your own memory on your own computer
gaunt marten
They should provide me with that information instead of barring it
gaunt marten
I believe games in general are better the more information they expose to the player, as long as it's not presented in a manner that overwhelms them.
rose rose
Many games would be wholly defeated by such a scheme.
"don't cheat" is not an unreasonable ask.
If it's not supposed to be a game of perfect information, granting yourself perfect information is cheating.
gaunt marten
Hmm
little badger
slim thorn
I do wish every game had quick saving though
random steppe
Your own save file on your own computer
I mean you can look at it, you just can't if you want to qualify for the scoreboard.
random steppe
I believe games in general are better the more information they expose to the pl...
Wait, no way you think this is true
You play randomisers, where the whole point is to shuffle stuff around so you don't know where it is
gaunt marten
No, the whole point of randomizers is to randomize. I have just as much fun when I play with a spoiler log than without, and I only refrain from reading it when I'm playing with others out of courtesy to other people
random steppe
Do you play souls games with a guide that tell you in advance where enemies, bosses and items are?
No judgment if you do btw, some people prefere it that way
thorny loom
I did for two yeah
gaunt marten
Usually I don't find that I need it
I do however look at the save files of games I own to satisfy my own curiosity about how they're architected
random steppe
Would the game be better if it did provide you that info in advance, in your opinion?
gaunt marten
Yeah!
The challenge of the game is not in the surprises that it throws at you, but in the thinking it takes to figure out how to handle each of them, so whether they're shown to you or told to you doesn't especially matter
random steppe
I just realised I could never marry you, we are too incompatible. 
I would probably never play a souls game if it did that
I don't play them for the challenge, I play them for the exploration, it's the reason I can't handle games that give you a big map with a list of activities to do in those places that you know before getting there
Or rather I can stomach them but it's a burden not a plus when they do that
gaunt marten
That's okay, a lot of people are like that and I understand they like different things than me
That's why a lot of games make the amount of information you get configurable
random steppe
I kinda hate when they do that, because often, when they let you hide information they show by deafult, they don't have other ways to guide you there
The trick of a game with good exploration is not hiding stuff, but trick you into believing you discovered something while the game guided you there subtly enough that you didn't notice
gaunt marten
I mostly play exploration games so I can see cool stuff
I saw this video earlier talking about an interesting puzzle game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZYAew_4tsc
It's a puzzle game where the levels are designed without knowing which tools the players have, because players have access to a randomized set of three tools for each level
random steppe
That is interesting
gaunt marten
This is interesting, but personally, I'd rather they gave me every tool for every level, and then gave me a bonus for using it with a specific subset of them
random steppe
I like when games are designed knowing in advance what tools a player has
It's why I probably like Sekiro more than any other From game
They know exactly what they have, so they can design much more tightly for it
Instead of a more classic souls where you could show up with a big sword, or with a tiny dagger, and the game has to work for both
gaunt marten
The video recommends https://store.steampowered.com/app/1497440/COCOON/ as the opposite: A tightly designed game where the whole experience is tailored for you
Of the two, I find Cocoon more interesting!
random steppe
I heard very good things about it, right now I have my sights set on Chants of Sennar and Ghostrunner 2, so probably it'll wait until I got and finished those two
And those 2 will wait until I finish Cyberpunk expansion anyway
gaunt marten
Chants of Sennar is one game that I do admit would not work if I knew what words meant what ahead of time
random steppe
Tunic is another big one
In which a main mechanic is hiding and revealing information
gaunt marten
I think Tunic is a fine game without any hidden information because the core gameplay loop is fun and the world is interesting
Chants of Sennar relies completely on the hidden information
random steppe
I think it would be like a 7/10 instead of a 10/10 tho
if you had the manual in plain english at the start
I also had another one but then it slipped my mind...
Oh yeah, Return of the Obra Dinn
gaunt marten
I'm not interested in that one because I find the graphics intolerably ugly
thorny loom
random steppe
They take a bit to get used to, I think it's unique enough to get past that but I wish there was the option of a less headache inducing graphic
gaunt marten
La Mulana 2 is hard with or without hidden information, but this time I'm going to give it a try without looking anything up and see how far I can get before I'm too frustrated to continue
World of Horror is a game that looks very much like Return of the Obra Dinn, but the graphics are magically better https://store.steampowered.com/app/913740/WORLD_OF_HORROR/
random steppe
Heard good things about it, it's just not my genre despite my avatar
gaunt marten
I can't explain why I like it
random steppe
La Mulana I mean
gaunt marten
Yeah
La Mulana 2 has more quality of life stuff which is why I'm not playing 1
1 is too punishing
random steppe
I actually don't really like Metroidvania that much, HK is more the exception than the rule
gaunt marten
What genres do you like best?
random steppe
Souls games are up there for sure.
gaunt marten
Do you like Action RPGs in general or just Souls games?
random steppe
In general games with good exploration is where I gravitate, it's why HK won me over, it's why I liked Subnautica a lot despite being a survival, etc.
It tends to be the thing that get me to like a genre I usually don't fuck with
gaunt marten
What about Morrowind?
random steppe
Listen, I played it a bit sometimes in 2006, I thought it was ugly as sin, and never came back
gaunt marten
True!
random steppe
Good story and character work can also hold my interest, it's a bit rarer tho.
Mostly because games are not often very good at it
gaunt marten
What's a game with good story and characters but poor exploration that you like a lot?
random steppe
FFXIV easy
It's a MMO, there is basically no worthwhile exploration
Persona 5 for a more recent example
gaunt marten
Really? I don't play a lot of MMOs but one I've played a lot is Guild Wars 2 and it has a lot of exploration.
random steppe
Witcher 3 also had pretty bad exploration IMO, not that bad tho, at least the markers were "?" so you didn't exactly know what you'd find there
GW2 is probably the best at that from what I played
for MMOs
They put a lot more emphasis on their overworld
It's kind of uncommon for MMOs, they tend to steamline the overworld experience a bit too much for it to feel worthwhile usually, and FFXIV isn't an exception
gaunt marten
That makes sense
slim thorn
these are interesting comments because I like metroidvanias "for the exploration"
(yeah, W3's not good at it, but mostly for the same reasons most "open worlds" are not good at it)
random steppe
Yeah, it's why Elden Ring was a surprise
I was very worried when I learned it was Open World
random steppe
these are interesting comments because I like *metroidvanias* "for the explorati...
To be clear, I don't think that metroidvania have bad exploration, I am actually unsure why I have trouble enjoying them.
slim thorn
and vice versa, we can't figure out why I bounce so hard off certain soulslikes
random steppe
I do think that some tend to have pretty samey rooms, and look very gamey, which prevent me from immersing myself.
The 2d ant farm look bothers me in some of those games too, with the grid system from metroid for rooms.
slim thorn
ant farm, that's a good way to describe it
I actually like those maps but I get what you mean
sour hill
Lol ant farm
slim thorn
(and Axiom Verge was too samey)
random steppe
It doesn't bother me in every game tho, Ender Lilies I liked it, and same as in HK
Also I'm just probably worse at them, because my brain doesn't work that well in 2d, which diminishes my enjoyment
slim thorn
though I guess the 3D Metroid (and J:FO/S) maps are technically more ant farm-shaped
random steppe
The games I end up liking are the ones in which I like the rest well enough to become good enough to start enjoying myself
Probably
slim thorn
I assume Gen means the way the 2D Metroids and Blasphemous render their maps as a grid of tiles, where many rooms are one-tile tall hallways or one-tile-wide vertical climbs
random steppe
When you look at a metroidvania map, it looks like a bunch of square rooms connected by passages
Not unlike a section of an ant farm
gaunt marten
I didn't even know you could do this https://i.imgur.com/3sBmdSu.png
