general gaming

[fresh bane]

I've listened to plenty of non american artists on youtube

[river veldt]

what is shoegaze

[gaunt marten]

Not much. What is shoe with you?

[sour hill]

You kinda have to just hear it, but it's a rock genre

[mossy flume]

B-sides from obscure bands are never on YouTube

[slim thorn]

mm-hmm, whether a song gets uploaded to Youtube is mostly a popularity contest, so it's never exhaustive

[mossy flume]

Like a lot of them aren’t even on Apple Music and Apple Music has the largest singular music collection in the world, that’s not even a close contest

[river veldt]

there was a song i searched earlier that was shoegaze

[slim thorn]

unless the artist themself is using Youtube to publish their stuff in the first place

[gaunt marten]

I wish we had hypercube tape storage with B sides, C sides, D sides and E sides

[mossy flume]

Video game music often takes months to show up on there too

It’s not a reliable source

[river veldt]

ok well in my experience youtube has been reliable for me

[gaunt marten]

It's reliable enough for me

Yeah, but I like popular music

[slim thorn]

have you ever actually tried to listen to every song a non-chart-topping artist ever created entirely through Youtube?

[gaunt marten]

Gibus did

[sour hill]

I don't really care about video game music, and even though I listen to a lot of obscure bands it's very rare that something isn't on YouTube in one form or another

[mossy flume]

I know this because Pokémon Mystery Dungeon’s soundtracks took months or even years to show up on there back in the day. And I know this because I literally got mad enough at this to where I ripped the darn soundtracks myself and apparently became the first person to do so.

[gaunt marten]

I mainly care about videogame and classical and metal music

[sour hill]

...yes?

[gaunt marten]

We may never be friends

[slim thorn]

lol

[gaunt marten]

Unless an independent third party holds the aux cord

[slim thorn]

I mean for me it's just never worked, they're always missing something

[sour hill]

I like classical and metal

[gaunt marten]

Never

[river veldt]

oh yeah ? name 30 classical composers

[gaunt marten]

Beethoven

[sour hill]

Lmao

[river veldt]

that's only 1

debussy

[gaunt marten]

You're supposed to say "that's on me I set the bar too low."

[mossy flume]

Yep, or even finding a specific version of a song is a nightmare

[river veldt]

nuh uh

[gaunt marten]

https://youtu.be/T28bto1Geew

[river veldt]

MEME

[mossy flume]

Banned

[sour hill]

That Meme Moment

[slim thorn]

and now that I'm trying Spotify's search to check stuff, I'm finding it's inconsistent enough it's hard to even tell what it does have

[river veldt]

yeah because spotify is garbage

[gaunt marten]

Spotify's biggest sin is not paying artists, but its actual biggest sin is interrupting music

[sour hill]

I can even find this super obscure noise artist that I happened to see at a local noise show when I was in college
https://youtu.be/1wJALfR-etI

[gaunt marten]

Now you gotta say

interrupting mus—
And then I blast you with a jazz solo

[river veldt]

jazz

[mossy flume]

jazz solo
[starts blasting careless whisper]

[slim thorn]

fwiw youtube and spotify seem to have more of the stuff I like than I feel like they did in the past

but it's still a far cry from exhaustive discographies

[sonic dune]

Should I replay DooM or get DooM 2016

[gaunt marten]

Hell yeah it's Melody

Play Eveternity

[sonic dune]

Play what

[gaunt marten]

https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Eviternity

[mossy flume]

Nani

[gaunt marten]

Classic doom level pack

My favorite

[sonic dune]

Ah gotcha

I've got DooM on console, sorry

[gaunt marten]

Then doom 2016

[sonic dune]

Yeah just gonna pretend I beat DooM 3

[fresh bane]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-gif-22418132

doom 4 the goat

[sour hill]

Wait wtf this is #1032716748887179434? How did I end up here

[gaunt marten]

If you're ever interested I can provide you with the files you need to run doom on a PC or mobile phone

[sonic dune]

No demonic spoilers pls

I did already know about the lil Doomguy easter egg tho

[fresh bane]

the only spoiler is that it's good and better than eternal /s

[sour hill]

Nuh uh

[fresh bane]

:flutternod:

[sonic dune]

How is it compared to 1993 and II?

I really enjoyed the classic games

[fresh bane]

That's kind of it, it's practically the same but with a bit more features and more fluid

Which is why I wasn't a huge fan of Eternal's gameplay

[gaunt marten]

I liked classic doom better than 2016

[slim thorn]

back when 2016 came out half the discourse was about how it brought back the good kind of old school FPS design tropes

[sonic dune]

Classic DooM was capable of kicking my ass, but almost never in a way that made me feel cheated

[slim thorn]

of course which ones are "better" is still gonna be a personal thing, I could never get into classic Doom-era shooters myself but I love 2016

[sonic dune]

almost

The map designers were assholes at times

[river veldt]

2016 very good

[fresh bane]

Eternal is... well I don't wanna get into it, but Doom 4 I feel captures the classic gameplay and enhances it a lot better

[river veldt]

Doom Eternal is better in every way imaginable

[fresh bane]

Eternal goes in its own direction that is fantastic I just don't personally look for that in Doom

[slim thorn]

2016 vs Eternal is also a personal preference thing lol

[fresh bane]

Mhm

[sonic dune]

Based on what I've unwillingly seen of Eternal I think I'll like it

Just for different reasons

[river veldt]

but yes play 2016 and read all the codex entries

[fresh bane]

I also like that Doom 4's lore and story is muuuuch more laid back than Eternal's where there's kind of a lot more focus on it

[gaunt marten]

I can imagine a lot of ways

[sonic dune]

Oh god they kept that from 3?

[fresh bane]

What's 'that'?

[river veldt]

no it's good

[gaunt marten]

The cherubs

[sonic dune]

The codex

Going through those files felt like a chore in 3 tbh

[river veldt]

yes but it's good this time and you can ignore it if you really want

[fresh bane]

Ah, well I never found it to be any issue if that says anything

[sonic dune]

Alright

[fresh bane]

It's mostly just optional stuff that you can check and read if you wanna

[slim thorn]

I dunno anything about Doom 3 but in 2016 the codex entries are your standard modern video game lore text snippets where you can easily just ignore all of them if you're not interested

[fresh bane]

I of course got all of them because the goblins in my brain told me to complete every level while I was playing Eternal and get 100%

still gotta re-complete doom 4 because I lost my save file....

[river veldt]

or you can be psycho like me and read every single one several times

[slim thorn]

tbf I also think they're pretty good as text logs go

not too many or too long that you lose interest

[sonic dune]

"this CODEX entry will self destruct in 3...2...1..."

[sour hill]

Eternal just feels more complex and fast paced and fun than 2016

[gaunt marten]

Final Fantasy 16 did lore best

They allow you to pause in the middle of any scene and read up on what people are talking about or who they are

It's crazy amazing

[sonic dune]

Nice

[slim thorn]

I get liking Eternal more but it felt like about the same speed to me

[fresh bane]

For Doom specifically it's also a lot better I feel, there's the lore and backstories there if you want to read up on it but it's not so deep that you're reading a novel, it's enough to give some more meat to the bone but it never really takes front and center stage

[river veldt]

having to juggle all the resources and weapons and flame belch and frag grenades and freeze grenades while focusing on enemy weakpoints and
it just does something to my brain

i really gotta get to that Ultra Nightmare run at some point

[sonic dune]

I liked how straight forward classic DooM was
I have one brain cell and it's already past capacity

[river veldt]

but right now im doing TAG 2 on extra life mode on im too young to die cause i want the achievement lol

[sonic dune]

Damn we went from UV to nightmare to fuckin UN?

[slim thorn]

you might be with me in preferring 2016 then

[river veldt]

Ultra Nightmare is just Nightmare but if you die you have to start at the beginning of the campaign

[fresh bane]

Yeah, I also like Doom as more straightforward, which is hilarious because I play fighting and character action games which are all about these types of things what with complex fighting systems and keeping track of a lot of stuff while nonstop high octane action is taking place but for Doom I just love the straightforwardness of classic Doom which is why Doom 4 is still better to me

[sour hill]

Holy shit that's awesome haha

[sonic dune]

My easily angered ass could never

[river veldt]

loll

[sonic dune]

I would break things

No genuinely

[slim thorn]

don't a lot of games have one-hit-kill modes these days?

[river veldt]

you don't die in one hit

well

[sonic dune]

Remember I have bad enough anger issues that I got it as a fucking diagnosis

[river veldt]

early on you might

[slim thorn]

er, sorry, one life, one death, no respawns, delete the save, whatever you wanna call it

[river veldt]

cacodemon bites are especially brutal on Nightmare

[mossy flume]

Iron man mode is increasingly common

[fresh bane]

I think Melody would have a very bad time with || the marauders... ||

[mossy flume]

The Ori games do it

[river veldt]

omg i love those

[mossy flume]

Which is just evil

Ori pops like a balloon

[slim thorn]

even A Hat In Time has a "one hit hero" badge lol

[sour hill]

I love eternal, but they're kinda annoying

[river veldt]

||spirit possessed marauders in TAG 1 are absolutely diabolical lmao||

||and buff totem ones||

[fresh bane]

Iron Man Mode is such an old term I love it

[slim thorn]

I like Hollow Knight's term: "Steel Soul Mode"

[sonic dune]

I don't get it

[river veldt]

but iirc on like level one if you have full health and armour and get bit by a cacodemon you're down to like half health

[sonic dune]

Me am dumb

[fresh bane]

It's just an old gaming term to refer to either very very hard modes or self imposed difficulty rules

[sonic dune]

Yeah but why ironman

[river veldt]

funny

(i dont know)

[sour hill]

I've only heard the term in the context of RuneScape, and the "iron pony competition" lol

[river veldt]

according to this random redditor this is why (very trustworthy source)

[sour hill]

8 upvotes, huh? I'll add it to Wikipedia

[river veldt]

lol

[sonic dune]

My source is I made it the fuck up

[river veldt]

my tummy hurts

woops

[sonic dune]

Same

[gaunt marten]

He ain't ironing any shirts with these oversized biceps

[slim thorn]

(although I've never played on any of these permadeath modes; never understood the appeal)

[sour hill]

The stakes, the thrill!

[gaunt marten]

The appeal is you get to tick the achievement when you're done

[mossy flume]

It changes how you approach the game

[slim thorn]

does it though?

unless I was death abusing to begin with

[mossy flume]

I mean, the idea comes from rogue.

[fresh bane]

Yeah I can't find any origins of the term Ironman for hardcore/permadeath modes in gaming at all

[mossy flume]

The idea being if the stakes were higher you would spend more time strategizing your moves

[slim thorn]

well sure but we're not talking about roguelikes where permadeath is part of the default/intended gameplay loop

[mossy flume]

Or otherwise optimizing

[fresh bane]

https://www.runescape.com/game-guide/ironman

[gaunt marten]

In Hollow Knight permadeath means taking no risks and not doing any shade skips

[sonic dune]

I stopped playing Fallout 4 because I was playing survival mode and got tired of bullshit deaths
I couldn't imagine if it was a one life run

Also crashes

[fresh bane]

Rules of an ironman mode are never the same but it's almost always just the general concept of hardcore mode

[river veldt]

minecrft

[sonic dune]

I don't get as attached to my world's when I play hardcore

[gaunt marten]

Sorry I only play Minecraft for the Factorio

[river veldt]

favtorio

[slim thorn]

yeah for me any kind of deliberate progress deletion would have the opposite effect where there's no point getting invested when death is inevitable anyway

[gaunt marten]

Just don't die

You can pull it off

[slim thorn]

unless the game is like ten minutes long, that's just not a thing for me

[sonic dune]

Especially since I play bedrock and I could die at any moment due to some bug that deals 100000 damage because I looked at a flower

[fresh bane]

Yeah ironman mode is only for the toughest most epic of gamers

[sour hill]

I remember when twilight said this

[sonic dune]

I might try a no death run of OG DooM if I do a few new playthroughs of it first

[minor plover]

turns out the text is basically a summary of what's already on wikipedia, which itself comes from a comment he made that appeared in the article “‘Iron Man’ Joe McGinnity,” Dubuque (Iowa) Telegraph Herald, July 23, 1922

[fresh bane]

A lot of times and generally the origin of it is just ''oh games nowadays let you save and savescum and fix any mistakes and have checkpoints etc etc'' so they want to replicate basically arcade era gaming

It's sort of like nuzlocke in pokemon

[river veldt]

IOWA ?

IOWA MENTIONED 🙏🙏🙏🥳🥳🥳🌽🌽🌽

[gaunt marten]

I do enjoy my quality of life changes

[slim thorn]

I always have to look up what nuzlocke means because I don't play Pokemon

[sour hill]

Swap out the source to be that reddit comment to complete the loop

[gaunt marten]

Fuck games that don't let me take savestates

[fresh bane]

I think Nuzlocke is someone's name or something

[slim thorn]

also that

[gaunt marten]

Every single one sucks

[slim thorn]

"just don't die" is not a thing, but "just don't savescum if you don't enjoy it" is very much a thing

[fresh bane]

Savestates are the superior form of save files

[gaunt marten]

Nuzlocke is Nuzleaf x John Locke

[river veldt]

what is a save state

[gaunt marten]

It's a thing though

[gaunt marten]

You save the whole game down to every little detail

[minor plover]

the property I was gawking at in Iowa finally sold

[sonic dune]

Only being able to save at beds in Fo4 Survival mode is super cool until your game crashes for no fucking reason while you're clearing out a fort to use a bed

[river veldt]

oh like a suspend point

[fresh bane]

Half Life saves basically

[gaunt marten]

Not just your stats or location, but the whole console memory

[slim thorn]

when you're playing a game in an emulator, "save state" means save the entire current state of the emulator, which is easy to do because modern computers are so much more powerful

[gaunt marten]

Like a suspend point

[minor plover]

it was an RV lot in Guthrie county with 2 sets of outlets, water and sewer hookups

[sour hill]

No, didn't you hear that It's not a thing?

[slim thorn]

thus effectively giving all sufficiently old games a non-awful save system, making them retroactively good /s

[fresh bane]

If you're in the middle of a fight and you save the game is going to load up everything exactly as it was when the game was being saved so if you were shooting mid save then as it loads you'll finish shooting and everything resumes as if you just paused and it's great

[river veldt]

i abused suspend points in Donkey Kong Country during the King K Rool final boss fight

idk i think suspend points are good for old games but for more modern ones i think saving files works fine

[gaunt marten]

I am ruined

[river veldt]

why

[gaunt marten]

Every time someone says donkey kong I laugh to myself and repeat kinky dong

[slim thorn]

the last time I "abused" save states was in both of my Link to the Past playthroughs, I save state before fighting Moldorm because otherwise the typical flow is 5 seconds of fighting, get knocked off, take 40 seconds to climb back up, 5 seconds of fighting...

[river veldt]

fuck now im gonna do it

[sonic dune]

Kinky dong

[river veldt]

grabs you

[sonic dune]

I always think "oh look at these cool bananas. AAAAAAAAA"

[river veldt]

shakes violently

[fresh bane]

Weirdly I didn't even use a single save state during my Link Between Worlds playthrough

[slim thorn]

yep, LBW never needed it

even in LttP that one boss fight is the only bad part

[river veldt]

hello nibble

[sacred grove]

Basically savestates imply a save of both hardware and software state together, which is why the term is often used in emulation

[fresh bane]

Talking about ALBW just makes me want to yell at Nintendo to make a new 2D Zelda

[river veldt]

yes i agree they should remake Zelda II

[fresh bane]

a new 2d zelda

[river veldt]

what about the part in the final boss where Ganon makes part of the floor fall down and if you fall you have to start the fight over

[slim thorn]

I only fell down once, when I had not realized that was a thing yet

[sonic dune]

Why do I wanna play LBP now

[slim thorn]

and down there is the "you need silver arrows" hint which is pretty damn important if you haven't been spoiled for this fact by internet or other Zeldas

[river veldt]

ixrec when will you play Zelda 1

[slim thorn]

you already know the answer

[sour hill]

Unironically I would play Zelda II 2

[river veldt]

do i

[gaunt marten]

When he finishes Link's awakening DX

[river veldt]

why would you play DX when the remake exists and is superior in every way

[gaunt marten]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljR7fbcRXHg

For archipelago

[river veldt]

why is it called that

[gaunt marten]

Because it's like an archipelago of randomizer islands connected to each other

[river veldt]

i actually wonder if i could do a Link's Awakening randomiser since i know that game pretty well

[gaunt marten]

Each game connects to other games, sending and receiving items

You can!

[slim thorn]

note that randomizers don't require knowing the game well

[river veldt]

doom randomiser

[sour hill]

It helps a lot

[slim thorn]

I'm the type that prefers randomizing a game I've only played once or twice, where the goal of the randomization is to render me as clueless as when I first played it

[river veldt]

dark souls randomiser

[gaunt marten]

Archipelago has both

[river veldt]

mario kart randomiser

[slim thorn]

of course, this means I won't enable any settings like "require glitch skips"

[gaunt marten]

Not that one

[river veldt]

what is an archipelago

[sour hill]

I've done it. It's pretty fun but after a while it gets boring because you get too strong and randomly come across weak ass monster lol

[gaunt marten]

In this video, Matty from the Final Fantasy randomizer community explains how to play Link's awakening DX randomizer

[slim thorn]

Archipelago is a multi-world randomizer

[river veldt]

that sounds fun

[river veldt]

no the geography thing

[gaunt marten]

Chain of islands

[river veldt]

ah

so like

the islands in pokemon

[sour hill]

Yeah, it's kinda neat because it starts crazy hard and then gets easier over time

[gaunt marten]

Yes!

Indonesia is an archipelago

[slim thorn]

Archipelago supports Link to the Past, Link's Awakening DX, Dark Souls III, Doom 1993, Hollow Knight and Blasphemous, to name all the games relevant to this thread/conversation

[river veldt]

hungry faced gil

https://youtu.be/GSOo84fAdsE?feature=shared

he's not nude

[gaunt marten]

McElroy brothers spotted

[river veldt]

yeas

it's a funny video

[gaunt marten]

I'm too busy listening to my favorite song of the month

[river veldt]

they make a horrible creation with the character creator and the game is randomised and the enemies die in one hit but so do they and also the text was run through google translate like 40 times and then translated back to english

[gaunt marten]

I know all of these mods

They're great

Normally when I do a randomizer, I randomize only items and bosses and abilities

[river veldt]

oh yeah

[sour hill]

When I did dark souls 1 randomizer I think I only did monsters and bosses

[river veldt]

and there's more enemies too i forgot that part

[slim thorn]

I haven't done enough randomizers to have a sense of what's "normally" available beyond the obvious "items"

[river veldt]

what's that one lady's name

[gaunt marten]

https://soundcloud.com/ocremix/1-15-moments-jorito-feat

[river veldt]

from elden ring

[slim thorn]

but I know some have non-gameplay shuffle options just for fun, and I'd probably leave most of those on

[river veldt]

what's that one boss in elden ring

the lady

[gaunt marten]

Melania

[slim thorn]

like the Tunic randomizer has an enabled-by-default option to randomize the fox's colors on every room transition

[river veldt]

yeas !

i don't remember what iw as going to say

[teal sonnet]

https://www.polygon.com/23873727/unity-credible-death-threat-offices-closed-pricing-change

[sour hill]

Probably that a one-hit-death mode would be hell with that boss lol

[gaunt marten]

Replace normal hollows with little Melanias

[teal sonnet]

holy

[river veldt]

let me google Melania

[slim thorn]

yep, we talked about this news a few times already

[river veldt]

whoa mama

[gaunt marten]

Now you understand let me solo her

[slim thorn]

death threats are always terrible, no matter how dumb the company's leadership is, etc

[teal sonnet]

yep

[river veldt]

wow she's pretty

i thought these SoulsBorne games you only fought scary monsters

[sour hill]

Nah

[slim thorn]

nope

most games want to have some variety in their enemies

[river veldt]

well in Mario you only fight cute monsters

even Dry Bones are adorable

[slim thorn]

sure, variety within the bounds of aesthetic and tonal consistency

[river veldt]

oh ok

i see

[slim thorn]

even the pretty enemies in soulsborne games tend to at least have depressing backstories

[river veldt]

like the Onion Knight :(

[gaunt marten]

Blasphemous has too many enemies that are just "powerful naked lady"

[slim thorn]

like that giant wolf in Dark Souls who tries to kill you with a sword five times your size

iirc she's just defending a grave

[river veldt]

SIF ????

[gaunt marten]

Sif

[sour hill]

Rip bozo

[river veldt]

DONT CALL HER BOZO 😡😡😡

[sour hill]

Shoulda let me take the ring

She ain't using it

[river veldt]

maybe she is

[gaunt marten]

She swore an oath

[river veldt]

you don't know

what is the ring for

[sour hill]

Rookie move

[river veldt]

kratta will you explain all of Dark Souls lore to me

[sour hill]

You need it to survive in the abyss

[gaunt marten]

If you rescue Sif as a pup in the past, then fight her in the present you get a super sad cutscene

[river veldt]

the abyss ?

[river veldt]

there's time travel ?????

[sour hill]

Yeah, it's like a void of darkness

[gaunt marten]

DLC is set in the far past

[river veldt]

oh

what is going on in Dark Souls

[sour hill]

World is ending

[gaunt marten]

The first cutscene explains it

The fire that made the world is fading

[river veldt]

thrice ,(,??????

[sour hill]

Unironically yes

[gaunt marten]

If you win, you only delay the inevitable

[river veldt]

oh

that's kinda depressing

[gaunt marten]

It's a dark game

[sour hill]

That's the way she goes

[slim thorn]

soulsbornes are that

[river veldt]

is Elden Ring like that

[slim thorn]

the reason Tunic is not a soulsborne is that it has an actually good ending /s

[gaunt marten]

I can't afford Elden Ring

[sour hill]

Kinda yeah, but I haven't beaten it yet

[river veldt]

i could but it probably doesn't run on my computer and it's not on Switch

[fresh bane]

What happens in Dark Souls depends a lot on which one you play

[sour hill]

It would eat your computer alive

[river veldt]

i know George RR Martin helped with the worldbuilding and story of ER which is cool as hell

[fresh bane]

Dark Souls 1 is all about unnaturally delaying the natural order of things
Dark Souls 2 is a more personal journey that deviates heavily from the first game's events
Dark Souls 3 is about the endless cycles of previous games coming to the point where the world has nothing left to give and is dying and fading

[gaunt marten]

I wanted to trade someone my hundred dollars of cryptocurrency that I got for free in exchange for Elden Ring

They said yes at first then changed their mind when the time came

[sour hill]

Is dark souls 3 on switch?

[river veldt]

no but the first one is

[sour hill]

Bummer

[fresh bane]

DS1 has a good ending, the Dark Lord ending is objectivelly the best one

[river veldt]

yeah it sucks cause DS3 is the one im most interested in lol

[sour hill]

Yeah

[river veldt]

wtf Miyazaki looks like such a nice man

why are his games so sad

[fresh bane]

DS3 is the weakest one to me, and the only reason I say that is because it never intrigued or interested me enough to actually get me to play it

[gaunt marten]

He likes Berserk

[sour hill]

Yeah that's kinda just it

[gaunt marten]

DS3 is my favorite because it's most accessible and has the most fun bosses.

[slim thorn]

back when I watched a bunch of lore videos on DS1 my impression was that it's pretty ambiguous whether either DS1 ending is really "better" in any meaningful sense, and that ambiguity is part of the point

but also I was being sarcastic anyway

[river veldt]

yes that's what ive heard as well

[sour hill]

I think that was indeed the intent

[slim thorn]

Hollow Knight and Ender Lilies have a definitely better ending, even if not a purely good one since you can't exactly undo most of the damage that's been done already

[fresh bane]

Well the only two options you have is give all your power/souls to light the first flame for a little while longer (the endless cycles was a retcon, DS1 never had any cycles like DS3 implied) or snuff out the flame and let the age of man begin as it was intended thousands of years ago which Gwyn unnaturally prevented

[sour hill]

DS3 has some truly insane bosses

[river veldt]

when will Elden Ring be ported to Switch

[gaunt marten]

How many negative Hendersons would you say Hollow Knight is?

[river veldt]

what is a negative Henderson

[sour hill]

I don't think it can run on switch

[river veldt]

sobs and vomits

[gaunt marten]

Boy you're about to learn

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/002/032/298/665.png

[river veldt]

oh it's a TTRPG thing

[sonic dune]

Download finished

[gaunt marten]

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Fanfic/OldManHenderson

[river veldt]

what is Trail of Cthulhu

[sonic dune]

Rip and tear
Until it is done

[gaunt marten]

You investigate Cthulhu without going insane

[river veldt]

how

[gaunt marten]

That's what the game tries to figure out

[sonic dune]

I just started DOOM 2016

Already love it

[gaunt marten]

Oh good

[fresh bane]

pistol goes pew pew

[gaunt marten]

The original article exists

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/The_Henderson_Scale_of_Plot_Derailment

[sonic dune]

The intro feels exactly like what I was hoping

[river veldt]

yippee !!!!

[slim thorn]

depending on the ending, -0.25, -1 or +1

[river veldt]

what is Waffle House Millionaire

[sonic dune]

Doomguy wakes up, explodes an imps head, and is already on his killin shit

Gonna clean off my chair so I can play this proper like

[river veldt]

ackchually that was an unwilling ☝️🤓

[gaunt marten]

I'm thinking of the one where you defeat the radiance but not the pantheon 5 one

[fresh bane]

I like how you can tell apart the classic doom fans from the new doom fans by how they refer and call Doomguy

[river veldt]

sorry that was rude

[slim thorn]

yup, when I said:

Ixrec — Today at 12:29 AM
back when 2016 came out half the discourse was about how it brought back the good kind of old school FPS design tropes

a key example was 2016 just getting to the shooting immediately instead of doing several minutes of story exposition and tutorializing

[sonic dune]

Right

He's The Slayer now

The Doom Slayer

[slim thorn]

the best part is when someone tries to exposit to Doomguy and he just ignores them

[river veldt]

in 2016 he's only called Doom Slayer

but an npc in Eternal does call him Doomguy lol

[fresh bane]

''Don't care, didn't read''
-Doomguy

pumps shotgun

[slim thorn]

yeah I think that's a -1

[sonic dune]

Don't care
Didn't read
Plus you're a demon

[slim thorn]

though it's also not really what this scale is trying to measure

[river veldt]

what is Waffle House Millionaire

[fresh bane]

I think in Eternal funnily enough he actually does pay more attention to what he's being told and there's a lot more exposition-y events

[slim thorn]

indeed, the subversion only works that well once

[gaunt marten]

And the full story survives

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Old_Man_Henderson

[river veldt]

well most of the people he listens to in Eternal he respects more than Hayden lol

[slim thorn]

indeed

Eternal also throws in a significant amount of non-demon enemies, so it makes sense that he'd have to think a bit about whether to rip and tear them

[river veldt]

oh yeag

[fresh bane]

confused rip and tear noises

[slim thorn]

even within Doom 2016, he was paying more attention to the plot by the end

[sonic dune]

Damn he really does just go "don't care didn't read" and yeets the monitor, huh

[slim thorn]

you can only do that bit for so long

yep

[fresh bane]

To be fair by that point he kind of didn't have a choice

[slim thorn]

you've got at least... what is it, three levels before he actually stands still and listens?

[fresh bane]

I still hate the entire exposition section in doom 4 || in Hayden's office || because it's entirely unskippable

You have to just sit still and actually listen

[quiet swift]

But you get to listen to his melodious voice!

[fresh bane]

that beautiful monotone robotic voice

[sonic dune]

Wait my pistol has infinite ammo?

But
But my ammo management

Is the feed mechanism in the shape of an infinity symbol?

[slim thorn]

mm-hmm, iirc it does the modern shooter thing where you get one weak-ish infinite ammo fallback weapon and all the ammo management is for your other better weapons

[fresh bane]

Only the pistol has infinite ammo but it does have a cooling period I think

[slim thorn]

later on the pistol will absolutely not cut it

yeah

[fresh bane]

Unfortunately the pistol isn't useful at all once you get the shotgun which is why they completely cut it from eternal

[sonic dune]

To be fair

[fresh bane]

could've just made the pistol more useful....

[sonic dune]

That's how every doom is

[slim thorn]

it's still a reasonable starting point

sequel changes can just be different without being better or worse

[sonic dune]

Who uses the pistol when you have the shotgun and chain gun in OG?

[slim thorn]

well, this is why I said "fallback"

[river veldt]

that part isn't that fun but i liked the ||book with the picture of Doomguy that was a reference to Raiders of the Lost Ark lol||

[slim thorn]

once you have more weapons I believe you'd only end up using the pistol again if you seriously ran out of ammo

[gaunt marten]

Pistol is good for sniping flaming skulls in the distance

[sonic dune]

I always use chain for lost souls

[river veldt]

Lost Souls ☝️🤓

[gaunt marten]

Shotgun is too short range, chaingun can only shoot in two round bursts

[sonic dune]

Keeps em at distance

[slim thorn]

at least imo it's a good design trope in general since it almost guarantees the player won't end up in a situation where they have to basically stop playing the game as intended or reset the whole level due to ammo loss, without completely deleting the ammo system

[gaunt marten]

So you waste a little bit of ammo if you use a chaingun but only sometimes

[slim thorn]

meanwhile in Eternal, the management of health/ammo/armor pickups is a totally different dynamic where you constantly make enemies drop them, so this logic doesn't really apply anyway

[fresh bane]

Pistol was good for the flaming skulls

It had the accuracy

[river veldt]

well Lost Souls in 2016 and Eternal aren't as beefy as in Doom 1 and 2

[gaunt marten]

Chaingun loses accuracy unless you shoot in two round bursts so it's typically the same accuracy as pistol

[slim thorn]

yeah, in every shooter which has the fallback infinite ammo pistol, I use it at least on weak one-shot enemies that aren't worth consuming ammo

[sonic dune]

Me having to explain to Witchtaunter that, no, I didn't mean "jump" when I said "how do I wall hump in this one"

[river veldt]

oh you don't have to do that anymore lol

[sonic dune]

Hrn hrn hrn hrn hrn hrn hrn hrn a secret is revealed!

[slim thorn]

oh is that how the original worked

[fresh bane]

hrm hrm hrm hrm door opening sfx

[sonic dune]

Fshwiish-chk

[river veldt]

one time i heard that door opening sound in Doctor Who and i irl pogged

[sonic dune]

Lmao

[slim thorn]

ok then 2016's "secrets" are much saner than that lol

[sonic dune]

It came up cus I joked about looking for Wolfenstein levels

Not knowing that they actually kept those in 2016

So now I'm gonna be hunting for those so I can shoot Nazis

Aka demons but worse

[river veldt]

iirc i don't think the Wolfenstein levels are in 2016 but there are levels from Doom 1993 and Doom II you can find and they look exactly like they did lol

[fresh bane]

I remember when John Romero played Doom Eternal and he started punching walls expecting secrets because of course he would

[sonic dune]

Got the shotgun

[sonic dune]

Literally what I was doing until y'all told me that's not a thing in this one

[fresh bane]

I don't know whether to say how it works in this game but yeah it's a bit more noticeable

[sour hill]

I wish the shotgun was more powerful in 2016

[fresh bane]

It's not as vague as ''find the one spot in the wall to interact with idk lay off my back man''

[slim thorn]

I believe the term is pixel hunt

[river veldt]

2016 shotgun is kind of irrelevant once you get SSG but it's still so good that it's basically unchanged in Eternal

and the noise

😩

[sonic dune]

Killed my first actual imp

[that was easy button]

[slim thorn]

didn't the regular shotgun also have an alt fire of some kind? I feel like I occasionally used that even after SSG

[river veldt]

yes the 2016 shotgun had explosive blast and uhhhh

the other one

[sonic dune]

Appearantly, as when I tried to use the aim button it told me I didn't have whatever equipment

[river veldt]

i never used it

explosive shot was useful though

what the fuck was the other one

[sour hill]

Burst

[fresh bane]

Doom 4 has burst shot and grenades

[slim thorn]

beats me

[river veldt]

BURST SHOT thank you

yeah it's like the full auto from Eternal but bad

./s

[sour hill]

The shotgun just felt better in eternal

[fresh bane]

am I the only one that prefers most of doom 4

[river veldt]

i like um

[slim thorn]

you know I prefer 2016 lol

[river veldt]

i like the Baron of Hell design from 2016 better

[slim thorn]

but I also don't remember either game well enough to compare this stuff

I only played them once-ish when they were each new

[river veldt]

i dont remmeber how many times ive replayed Eternal

2016 was around 4-5 times

i know for a fact Eternal is over 10 at this point

[fresh bane]

I guess I should've specified prefer doom 4's weapons

[river veldt]

oh um

uh

[fresh bane]

I don't remember using the automatic mod for the shotgun in eternal at all

[river veldt]

let me think

[sonic dune]

Ok so I can only carry 20 shells
Yeah that checks out

Time to find a backpack I guess

[fresh bane]

put a small doomguy in the backpack to keep your blindspot safe

[sonic dune]

I'll just look for a hallway with nukeage floor, those usually have backpacks at the end

[river veldt]

i guess i like the rocket launcher a little bit more in 2016

[sonic dune]

Oh shit

E1M1 REMIX

Ok I'm gonna stop talking so I can just enjoy the game

[river veldt]

yeas

[fresh bane]

https://youtu.be/Jly9qp40rfw?si=G6BWyrtWQVJH9Puw

the only bad thing about it is that it's not longer

[sonic dune]

Fr

[fresh bane]

https://youtu.be/8R-hm0zmjkI?si=z6jCRJ_1D-HbBpwd
Mick also brings back Intermission in Eternal but it's only a very short section and it's for the multiplayer mode so another great track doesn't get a full cover...

[sonic dune]

iddkfa

[river veldt]

Doom Eternal soundtrack my beloved

the main menu music still gives me chills

[fresh bane]

you mean Andrew Hulshult's IDKFA?

[river veldt]

it being a remake of the Icon of Sin's music from Doom II is amazing
https://youtu.be/_WnP1wKxW4M?feature=shared

and yeah Andrew Hulshult is amazing too

that music has always kinda freaked me out

"Opening To Hell"

[quiet swift]

finally finishes BG3! To cleanse his palate, next game shall be... Titanfall 2

[slim thorn]

after BG3 that'll feel like you blink and it's over

[river veldt]

just the eerie whistling
https://youtu.be/zJ6c98nmv9U?feature=shared

[quiet swift]

I have no idea what you're talking about

[sonic dune]

Uhm DOUBLE ACKCHUALLY

It's the possessed.

[sour hill]

Dude seriously, I have nearly a whole friend group who've been playing that game since launch and only one of us has actually beaten it

[river veldt]

DAMN

i had a 50/50 chance of getting it right 😔

[slim thorn]

honestly I straight-up forgot people were still playing it

[river veldt]

time to turn in my Doom fan card

[slim thorn]

everyone I know who was playing it stopped talking about it

at least outside the thread

[fresh bane]

Baldur's Gate?

[sour hill]

I'm not in the thread

I exist, outside of the Baldurs Gate 3 thread

[fresh bane]

Why would you assume people stopped playing Baldur's Gate?

[slim thorn]

forgot, not assumed

[fresh bane]

Oh

[slim thorn]

as in it's been multiple weeks since I heard anyone mention themselves playing it

[fresh bane]

I guess I must've seen more baldur's gate related news and stuff since I still kept it in the back of my head even though I don't actually play it

[quiet swift]

Because we've been too busy playing it, duh

[fresh bane]

that would make sense

[sour hill]

Honestly this

[slim thorn]

yeah the chatter tends to be strongest when it's still new

[fresh bane]

Well the same thing happened with SF6 I guess

[slim thorn]

later on more and more of it is stuff only other players would get

[fresh bane]

I still think it's insane that 1 month or so after a game releases the chatter already dies down significantly

[quiet swift]

And it's such a story centric game that it sticks to the channel for the sake of spoilers, and even that gets the REDACTED treatment

[slim thorn]

and AC6, and maybe Starfield

[quiet swift]

Also, there's this

[sour hill]

AC6 is in the queue for me

[sour hill]

More than I expected

[quiet swift]

Not sure if people are just restarting the game to get different chars and aren't finishing, or are waiting for patches, etc

[slim thorn]

I'm just confused why everyone is so weirded out that I forgot a game existed simply because I don't play it and no one's talked to me about it

like you all haven't heard of and forgotten about 20 other games in that time frame

[quiet swift]

Not weirded out, amused 😛

But yeah, best 134 hours I spent 0$ for

[sour hill]

I remember all the games I forget

[quiet swift]

(was a birthday gift )

[sonic dune]

I like that the player counts as an artifact

Also I thought it was doom slayer, not "doom marine"

I'll probably stick to Doomguy either way tho

[fresh bane]

I thought you assumed people already stopped playing I misread the forgot part

[slim thorn]

I was never clear on the "correct" terminology

Doomguy doesn't seem to care though

[fresh bane]

I forgot about AC6 until I saw AC related stuff today

[river veldt]

he has many names

Doomguy, Doom Marine, Doom Slayer

[slim thorn]

of course in general there is no game that everyone stops playing forever

we're having this conversation because half of you are still playing the Dooms

[minor plover]

hell yeah

[river veldt]

the demons also have a couple names for him that i cant remember off the top of my head

[sonic dune]

The Slayer
Doomguy
The Doom Slayer
The Doom Marine
Kitchen Ace
His name matters not
All that matters is that his firey rage burns brighter and hotter than the deepest pits of hell

[slim thorn]

and speaking of playing games behind the curve, time for more NieR

[river veldt]

Flynn Taggart

wow Doomguy is 6'8 and weighs 360 lbs

[sonic dune]

I am enjoying this.

Just finished the fight where you encounter zombiemen possessed soldiers for the first time

[fresh bane]

it only gets better

[river veldt]

also we have a Doom threaf

nudge

[sonic dune]

Sorry

[river veldt]

no it's ok lol, i was just saying that cause it'd be nice to have activity in there for once

[static bluff]

Sorry to interrupt but

[river veldt]

YIPPEE ONOSA HIP HIP HOORAY

🥳🥳🥳🎊🎊🎉🎉

so are you having fun lol

[static bluff]

I've put all my free time today into it

[visual hill]

GoldenEye has a "LTK" custom difficulty which works by using 007 difficulty, setting enemy health to 0%, enemy damage/accuracy/reaction speed to 1000%,

it's stupidly unforgiving, I could only beat a handful of levels yesterday using savestates

when an enemy spots you, it's essentially 50/50 whether he'll perform a longer kneeling animation and give you enough time to react if your crosshair isn't right on him already

oh, and enemies can shoot you before you see them due to LOD

DLTK is the same, but enemies have 1000% health too. You need 10 headshots or an explosion to take down an enemy

the custom difficulty is really ahead of its time for a 1997 game

[visual hill]

hah, I'm playing Crusader: No Remorse and my code is different from another person's on a walkthrough

they're randomized so you can't just look them up :^)

[minor plover]

they even did that in Avoid The Noid which was like late 1980s

1989

[robust latch]

FZero99 looks fun

[thorny loom]

Lmao “battle royale” https://x.com/nintendoamerica/status/1702329613278752947?s=46&t=bVzXPIZvXYyJJoEkCfgMsQ

Nintendo of America (@NintendoAmerica)

The F-ZERO game returns as a 99-player battle royale in F-ZERO 99! Available exclusively for active #NintendoSwitchOnline members today! #NintendoDirect

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Twitter · Sep 14, 2023, 2:33 PM

[chilly mural]

fuck yeah, video games

[harsh kestrel]

F-Zero 99 is addicting lol

[chilly mural]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2391870/MareQuest_An_Interactive_Tail

Steam

MareQuest: An Interactive Tail

A terrible darkness threatens a world of overwhelmingly adorable mares. Can a new cute mare with amnesia save the world or will she lose more than her memories along the way? The second installment in the critically acclaimed MareQuest series, MareQuest: An Interactive Tail aims to combine a story rich visual novel with procedural RPG elements a...

Price

$4.49

▶ Play video

[dire gate]

https://store.steampowered.com/bundle/34956/Kairosoft_Games_Are_Made_In_Unity/

[sonic dune]

Fuck games that give you gamerscore in increments of anything other than 5 and 10

Looking at you, No Man's Sky

You too, Aragami

Aragami gives gamerscore at either 19 or 22 G per achievement for some fucking reason

NMS does 16+32

Which makes more sense but is still bullshit

[random steppe]

Are we really doing the "this game is made on unity" forever now?

If a game company makes a statement about moving their games from unity I see it being relevant, but right now it's really not that important, we don't know any company internal processes.

Wait that's a bundle, weird

[slim thorn]

yeah, there's no description there either, so we just have to guess what they're trying to say with the title

[dire gate]

https://x.com/kairokun2010/status/1702285500298768676

カイロソフト(Kairosoft)_公式 (@kairokun2010)

All Kairosoft Games Are Made In Unity...

カイロソフトのゲームは全部Unityで作っちゃったよセールが突如涙の開催🥹

https://t.co/hgN7Cm6Hsw

小さなゲームスタジオを経営して人気作を出す等
厳選されたタイトルを今のうちにインストールだ🥹

このバンドルは終了したら終了します🕺
#うひょー

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Honestly I have no idea what the thought process behind this is, maybe they want more people to buy and install before the Unity fee hits?

[slim thorn]

that does seem to be the implication of 今のうちにインストール

still weirdly unclear what the long-term plan is here

終了します could mean a lot of things

[quiet swift]

https://www.gog.com/en/game/cyberpunk_2077_phantom_liberty_goodies_collection bunch of wallpapers and some concept arts. Free

[arctic fern]

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/305620/view/5769729865611745106 i dont know why but the thing that excites me the most about this future update is visible gloves when doing various tasks

tho i do have to question how they fire a gun with mittens on

[slim thorn]

very carefully

[quiet swift]

[mossy flume]

Oooo, going to give my 13900K and 4090 a workout

[quiet swift]

I think i can do RT medium? ryzen 5600x and a 3070 8gb

[little badger]

https://twitter.com/wario64/status/1702499159012790360?

Wario64 (@Wario64)

Final Fantasy VII Rebirth (PS5) on Amazon includes an exclusive controller skin https://t.co/Zo8RTe3aPG #ad

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Twitter · Sep 15, 2023, 1:46 AM

[wind stump]

man that skin looks cheap as hell

[mossy flume]

The game has a 3 month PS5 exclusivity mandate

After which point it'll eventually show up on PC

But who knows when that'll be

[wind stump]

When It's Done™️

[wind stump]

[wind stump]

HAHAHAHAHA
The devastation

[quiet swift]

She's rather broken, yes

[untold vigil]

I love Chieko

I am summoned from the grave by red and green lesbians

[quiet swift]

Tunic: Oh man, the grapple thing is a game changer

[gaunt marten]

Super Secret room in Blasphemous

https://i.imgur.com/LWl8MZ1.png

Translates to "It's a secret to everybody." a Zelda reference

[little badger]

https://twitter.com/discussingfilm/status/1702706135365525680?

DiscussingFilm (@DiscussingFilm)

‘SPIDER-MAN 2’ can be played in 30 fps, 40 fps, and 60fps, all with ray-tracing.

“There's no mode of this game that has the ray tracing turned off, no need for it.”

(Source: https://t.co/VAxwPjwgrx)

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Twitter · Sep 15, 2023, 3:29 PM

[teal cliff]

Impressive

The Spider-Man games are working overtime to make Playstations look good

honestly my favourite exclusives of theirs tbh, moreso than GoW or Horizon even though those are also good

[little badger]

Official screenshots.

[teal cliff]

Also I just love Miles

my favourite comic book character... maybe 2nd favourite depending on the day

[slim thorn]

ah, I think that's one of the rooms I forgot about until I looked at the tracker

[gaunt marten]

This boss was surprisingly tough without healing

[slim thorn]

interesting, for me he's one of the easier ones to dodge consistently

[gaunt marten]

Turns out, his dash attacks can all be parried

[slim thorn]

I did not know that

[gaunt marten]

The problem I had was there's no opening to attack him for full damage

He takes reduced damage in all openings except the one where he jumps down to create pillars of flames four times in a row

[slim thorn]

oh yeah, I couldn't get any combo finishers off in my last fight either

[gaunt marten]

Since this is a fervor build, my main damage dealer was Debla of Lights

[slim thorn]

no lorquiana?

[gaunt marten]

That one is harder to aim and spends so much fervor I find myself running out

[slim thorn]

ah

[gaunt marten]

And I don't have enough time to sacrifice health for fervor

Debla is usually better for most bosses

[slim thorn]

I only ever received debla in the rando so I haven't had a chance to compare

yeah lots of the bosses have good vertical openings

or failing that at least a "stand right next to them for several seconds" opening

except Esdras

(and maybe Crisanta? I haven't gotten to retry that yet)

[gaunt marten]

Oh I'm dreading that fight

Lorquiana kills Esdras, but you can also skip him

[slim thorn]

indeed, I would've tried it on him if someone had found mine

[gaunt marten]

This time I'm going for ending A

[slim thorn]

in rando he is not skippable

(in general, all the missable stuff is made un-missable)

[gaunt marten]

That's good

Shit I'm at 37/38 again https://i.imgur.com/RmXu7YK.png

[slim thorn]

collectibles do be like that

[gaunt marten]

I suspect Esdras might be susceptible to the red mist prayer

Since that one doesn't require any openings

It works for Quirce but doesn't deal nearly as much as Debla

[slim thorn]

it still kinda does

I tried red mist on Esdras but he's just too dangerous to be standing next to

[gaunt marten]

You don't stand next to him, you just keep running away

[slim thorn]

well yes but red mist still relies on getting close as often as possible which I found just got me hit too often

[gaunt marten]

Right, right.

In this situation I have as much fervor as I have time, as long as I can dodge

So I fully focus on dodging

[slim thorn]

what worked better for me was only dipping in when it was safe to get a sword hit, without trying to predict when to cast a short-range prayer, and instead using Verdiales to do a little extra damage when it was not safe

in part because I had the fervour regen Reliquary so even if I never felt safe approaching him I could still slowly chip away with Verdiales

[gaunt marten]

Yeah

Ew, veridales of the foresaken hamlet does nothing

[slim thorn]

lol

[gaunt marten]

Even Cante Jondo of the Three Sisters is my favorite prayer for non-boss encounters

[slim thorn]

don't think I've played with that one

[gaunt marten]

It hits every enemy on the screen for good damage

Kills most enemies before NG+ in one hit

[slim thorn]

and costs a lot of fervour apparently

definitely need fervour regen or flasks to make that viable for a boss, but it makes sense

[gaunt marten]

It deals less damage than Debla of the lights or Lorquiana but it has autoaim so it saves time

[slim thorn]

I also think I didn't get this one in rando

but this is why I'll be randoing Blasphemous again

[gaunt marten]

Why does this insane game put your cursor on "Make an offering" and when you click switches to "End her suffering"? https://i.imgur.com/KXHj2V0.png

[slim thorn]

like HK, the whole rosary beads + prayers system is great at forcing me to play differently when I'm given a weird subset of the vanilla items

I... don't recall having any issues like that?

[gaunt marten]

Happened twice today, but the first time I caught it

Ah well, at least the reward was just 500 tears

[gaunt marten]

Time to fight the uh

Archbishop

This one's gonna be hard because you can't just spam debla

Ah, he was a lot easier than expected

[wind stump]

Oh shit, fusion attack!

[gaunt marten]

Crisanta is done

Time for Escribar

I really needed to focus on aggressive parrying

Rather than defensive

https://i.imgur.com/BGhFtZ0.png

https://i.imgur.com/mudo2MI.png

Best speech of any boss

[slim thorn]

he said the thing

[gaunt marten]

Oh oops, I got Ending B

Must have missed some of the statues

[thorny loom]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqWUj3kirVE

First game from the age of sigmar line that actually looks promising

[gaunt marten]

Next up, the 3 hour bridge of the three cavalries achievement https://i.imgur.com/Wyph0A0.png

[thorny loom]

Nice flitter

[gaunt marten]

Hopefully that one's not too tough

Maybe I should do them one run each

[slim thorn]

oh, nice

I stopped after one NG+ run

[gaunt marten]

I want to get fun achievements

Ah, everything is so much easier when your strength isn't halved

[little badger]

https://twitter.com/paydaygame/status/1702754869323374747?

PAYDAY 3 (@PAYDAYGame)

Hello heisters,

We want to inform you that Denuvo is no longer in PAYDAY 3.

We look forward to seeing you in New York City!

Happy heisting! 👊😎

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Twitter · Sep 15, 2023, 6:42 PM

[arctic fern]

whoa, legit big news

[harsh kestrel]

Well then. Removed a character fully? For what reason?

[slim thorn]

Denuvo is a widely used form of DRM

[arctic fern]

cant... tell if joking or not

[slim thorn]

not a part of the Payday games' content

[white phoenix]

I'd never thought I'd see a big dev removing denuvo

[thorny loom]

Its more common than you think

Most devs do it 6 months to a year after launch

[mossy flume]

It’s happened a lot

[gaunt marten]

All right

https://i.imgur.com/bYsej5B.png

Give me silver and gold medal achievements

[white phoenix]

I haven't paid attention then

[mossy flume]

It’s actually how a lot of Denuvo games get cracked, the dev just takes it out. Or happens to leak a version without it prematurely.

[slim thorn]

wow you are going way beyond what I did in that game lol

although I might get Requiem Aeternam as a side effect of doing a True Guilt run

we already know I can get achievements from my modded multiworld games

[gaunt marten]

Yeah

I'm not sure whether or not Requiem Aeternam counts blue bile flasks

[slim thorn]

good question

[gaunt marten]

The description says "Any" bile flasks

You can use them, just not at the bosses

[slim thorn]

well, not that I'm in it for the achievements; if it doesn't pop then it doesn't pop

[thorny loom]

What will be fun is too see how long before a nintendo denuvo game is cracked

[mossy flume]

I do wonder...

Switch 2 games are likely going to be very difficult to emulate

[thorny loom]

Assuming Nintendo doesnt do something dumb like they did with the switch one lol

[mossy flume]

That was actually Nvidia's fault, I think

At least in part

But yeah, leaving the hardware debug access in there was a big whoopsie

Nintendo has been learning.

Their security scheme for the Switch was actually quite competent. They learned a lot from the previous generations.

[wind stump]

#Persona4Golden: After some misreadings of the guide (including completely having to go back to a previous save since I was at the boss before I realised I missed all the side content, FUCK) I beat the Contrarian King...
By letting the rest of the party die and using a Persona with Physical resistence and just slugging it out

This was after wasting like 3 Revival Beads only for the boss to immediately target the revived member

[bronze abyss]

@cunning moat first win in ages

[cunning moat]

Congrats

[hasty patio]

It never should have been there in the first place if it was. Now, I hope they dial back the number of DLC that makes EU IV seem like a complete game.

[white phoenix]

it's payday, they won't

[hasty patio]

https://twitter.com/eurogamer/status/1702619898449428725

Eurogamer (@eurogamer)

The "credible" death threat that prompted the closure of Unity offices yesterday was made by a Unity employee, police have now revealed https://t.co/7V4r79TjKK

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Twitter · Sep 15, 2023, 9:46 AM

[light gate]

what the fuck

[fresh bane]

Friendly fire will not be tolerated

So this is either them intentionally attempting to gather any amount of sympathy by faking a death threat or a unity employee, likely one who previously warned the higher ups about this dumbass decision and was ignored, legitimately was angry enough to make a death threat against them

Either way, this only adds to the shitshow that is this situation

[light gate]

What a bloody mess.

Its still terrible but holy crap this is like conspiracy level now.

[gaunt marten]

No the unity employees are pretty mad

Word is, three of the board members are the ones who called for this whole fee

[light gate]

I don't think Unity will recover from this.

[fresh bane]

I'd be mad to if 90% of the gaming community and dev community wanted my head after warning my boss multiple times about how his idea is fucking stupid and being forced to roll it out anyways

Even if they roll this decision back the damage to their reputation and goodwill with people is completely destroyed

[white phoenix]

yeah now people are considering changing engines and new devs aren't ever going to consider unity again

trust is hard to develop over time but almost impossible to get back if lost

[light gate]

I wonder how Epic is gonna increase their prices once Unity goes under.

Because at this point, they're pretty much the only other big player. I'm sure there are others but Unreal is probably like the other biggest one that currently exists.

There's Cryengine I think but that is another hell zone.

[river veldt]

Final Fantasy VII Rebirth looks really good

shame i cant play it 😔

[heady bridge]

Godot is likely to fill some of the void. It’s free and is open source so if enough talent can get on to that it could eventually have as much features and documentation as the likes of Unity has, only problem right now is that will take time.

[thorny loom]

@fresh bane

[fresh bane]

I'm pretty sure the SH2R Steam page has been there for a while there's still no news or release date at all

Also unfortunately I'm not exactly super hyped for SH2R

I'm waiting for f

also check out this guy in SF6 being so fucking mad at me for no reason

[dire gate]

Average fighting game player

[fresh bane]

He kept rematching me and went out of his way to find me again once I stepped out of the arcade machine to go to another one and was waiting for his turn when I was fighting someone else

He's not even bad, he legitimately beat me up like over 20 times and I'm still starting out in this game so I'm trash right now but damn

The chat doesn't go as far back but I did fight this one other player who was like ''hey your Juri is pretty solid, if you keep practicing a little more you're gonna be real trouble for everyone!''

(I didn't win a single match against that guy btw)

I've actually only had losses tonight I think it's because I keep getting matched against Gold and Platinum players....

People that have like 150+ hrs and here I am with... like, 5

[thorny loom]

was referring to the tokyo game show at the top

[fresh bane]

Oooooooh I didn't even see it

[mossy flume]

Late response, but yes, there’s significant conflict inside Unity right now and apparently have been for the past several weeks as people were broadly fighting against this decision

This was entirely an executive decision that wholly dismissed the concerns of Unity employees

[heady bridge]

I mean of course it was. Problem is with the mass desertion of the engine happening right now and the likely irreversible loss in trust I don’t see how Unity can turn this around now.

[mossy flume]

The only way I see is if they fire the executives responsible for it

Changing the agreements this way is a violation of trust that basically makes it impossible to believe in the stability of the terms you’re working with for the next several years. Who would go for that?

There’s no way to know if they’ll change the terms to add more arbitrary fees later on or otherwise make your whole business plan unviable after you’ve committed to it

[quiet swift]

[Insert Vader 'pray i do not alter it further' quote here]

https://twitter.com/larianstudios/status/1701928946323841427 Huh. Didn't realize it was that old

Larian Studios (@larianstudios)

21 years ago, the world of Rivellon was born.

Happy birthday to the Divinity Series!

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Twitter · Sep 13, 2023, 12:00 PM

[mossy flume]

Yep pretty much

[gaunt marten]

No it started with Original Sin and the old games were retroactively made

[quiet swift]

[quiet swift]

https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2023/09/wait-is-unity-allowed-to-just-change-its-fee-structure-like-that/

[mossy flume]

And this is why mandatory RTO is dumb

[gaunt marten]

If I had sold my car on the promise that I won't need to return to office then I'm quitting or suing, whichever is more appropriate

[robust spear]

This musical action platformer game Billie Bust Up is looking great. I'm going to get it just for the Daniel Ingram music though.

https://youtu.be/Gfb7zKRu0Uc

[slim thorn]

my workplace did partially return to office but at least they always said they would, no one was surprised by it

[mossy flume]

I’m fine with hybrid RTO, but personally I don’t think I’ll be fine with being in the office five days a week going forward

[slim thorn]

I would strongly prefer permanent WFH

now that we know it works, and I've all but empirically proven no one significantly benefits from my presence in the office, commuting is just wasted time I could've used for other stuff

[rare dew]

I do worry that WFH will make it harder for folks to get a good work-life balance, because it makes it harder to mentally "turn off"

[mossy flume]

Same

[rare dew]

Like, my job

When 5 o'clock rolls around, I'm done. I go home, I don't think about work any more

[slim thorn]

it varies from person to person

[gaunt marten]

A lot of people dedicate a room in their home to work

[slim thorn]

for me simply not spending multiple hours on commute makes the balance much easier

[gaunt marten]

That room is when they're in work mode

[slim thorn]

and I've never had issues with mentally turning off

[rare dew]

But if I had a job that could be done from home, would I be thinking "ahh, it's only 1 Email, I'll knock that out now", or "ohh, I know it's 8pm on a Saturday but I really need to get that report done..,"

[slim thorn]

what Flitter said, but for me it's just a desk

anywhere else in the room and I'm still free lol

[rare dew]

Fair!

[slim thorn]

it probably helps that my job isn't the kind with a lot of specific deadlines

I have done work stuff outside work hours before, but it's rare, actually small, and never in a stressful way

[dire gate]

I would mentally turn off during the job

[arctic fern]

DJTHED is part of the team too

[thorny loom]

Leafeon mod

[arctic fern]

anyway im happy because i finally got off my lazy ass and set up my old HTC vive again
i have VR working! only took a couple hours, tho there was a few things i needed to set up first
there is a washer missing in one of the clamps i use to keep the base stations up, and while i have a replacement, its not as good. i can probably buy a replacement clamp if i need to but ill see how long this replacement holds up

i did that like 4 months ago tho

there wasnt really anything stopping me from installing it aside from effort

im downloading some of my old VR games atm to properly test things

[rare garden]

Got the Silent Assasin mod for payday 2 and WOW i really needed it

[slim thorn]

finally got around to updating my Hollow Knight mod setup, and ended up "wasting" a lot of time looking up custom skins

[gaunt marten]

Oh Custom Knight

[slim thorn]

yep

[gaunt marten]

They should really have a better interface for that one

[slim thorn]

they should

[gaunt marten]

Oh, Scarab has a major update. Looks like a whole UI change

[slim thorn]

yeah, apparently it's "Scarab+" now

that's why I was updating stuff

[gaunt marten]

Well it's failing to recognize my existing mods

[slim thorn]

oh, it recognized mine

[gaunt marten]

The about page doesn't say anything about a +

Ah it's a different repository

[quiet swift]

Tanjiro!

And Zagreus don't recognize the others though

[slim thorn]

4th is Hat Kid from A Hat in Time

3rd is not a specific character but a mythical Chinese critter called a "tianlu", I just liked how it looked

(I also got a Hornet skin because duh)

[dire gate]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Perils

Probably famous nowadays for Pokemon

Oh wait I may have misread it

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pixiu

Yeah I misread the name, it's this one

[little badger]

https://twitter.com/hazzadorgamin/status/1703019260644335675?

HazzadorGamin, Dragon of Dojima (@HazzadorGamin)

The Upcoming Bond game may become a third-person action adventure

It won’t be called Project 007 as per its official website, "Project 007 (working title) is a brand new James Bond video game to be developed and published by IO Interactive."

https://t.co/5UJII3wqvC

Twitter · Sep 16, 2023, 12:13 PM

[arctic fern]

oooooh, IO interactive
thats the hitman people, right? this brings me hope, a hitman styled bond game sounds like a match made in heaven

[gaunt marten]

Yes

[arctic fern]

thats some hype right there then

[quiet swift]

https://www.theverge.com/2023/9/15/23875396/unity-mobile-developers-ad-monetization-tos-changes

damnit, preview more

Essentially, these companies, which represent thousands of games with billions of downloads, have blocked Unity from making any more money in their games. Some of the companies represented in the letter include Voodoo.io, Azur Games, and SayGames, with each claiming over 100 games.```  19 companies

[green fulcrum]

Yup, Unity's history at this point.

[slim thorn]

decline is inevitable, though I doubt it'll completely die for a while since there are so many devs committed to it

few technologies die quickly if they ever got popular in the first place

[wind stump]

WOMP WOMP

[arctic fern]

yeah there are far too many games already tied to the engine that are released, and games till being made that cant be switched

[wind stump]

What the fuck is that

... Cap would be very happy if I summoned this, wouldn't he
Would be great against Kanji too, but alas, too low level

[river veldt]

MOTHMAN YIPPEE

[quiet swift]

It clearly says Nozuchi, can't you read

[wind stump]

It ain't no Mara

[quiet swift]

[river veldt]

can you summon mothman so i know what he looks like

[fresh bane]

We don't talk about Mara

[fresh bane]

foul breath

he needs a mint

[river veldt]

HES SO CUTE HJFHGHFGHGFH

[fresh bane]

[river veldt]

holds him gently

[wind stump]

Coming back to this having come out as bi a whole new layer to this dialog, lmao

HE JUST LIKE ME FR FR
just
with less clothes

[river veldt]

guys im obsessed with mothman

what game is this

[slim thorn]

Persona 4 Golden

[gaunt marten]

Mathman

[wind stump]

Shadow Kanji kicked my arse

[quiet swift]

The only one who wrecked me was shadow Yukiko, three times (and I actually ragequit and uninstalled the game, then reinstalled it an hour later). Saw how you need to be quiiiiiite overleveled to have an easier time, so I did that and did the same with everything else and didn't run into as much trouble

[wind stump]

YOSUKE CAN YOU DODGE
ONE
FUCKING
ELECTRIC ATTACK

oh my god I forgot that Kanji literally punches his Shadow in the face

That's the most fucking Kanji thing I can think of
Punching his repressed homosexuality so hard he knocks it out

[slim thorn]

does that imply accepting it or further repressing it

[wind stump]

He does say afterward that he knew it was a part of him and that "someone like him wouldn't be taken out with one punch"

[slim thorn]

yeah, I know the scene eventually ends up at acceptance

[wind stump]

It's just funny to see him resort to violence

[wind stump]

Welp, according to the guide my Dilligance should be up from Callow by now, fuck

Though at the same time apparently my intellegence shouldn't be at Expert

[quiet swift]

Might be something updated in Golden and the guide is older?

[wind stump]

This is specifically a Golden guide

Well I just hope that I don't need that Dilligance right away

[slim thorn]

some of the ways stats can go up involve RNG, so I wouldn't worry about it just yet unless you know of a Diligence gate coming

(or rather, it'd be the guide's job to tell you to save scum if the RNG was that important)

[wind stump]

I think I might have missed one of the stats on a Mega Beef Bowl

[slim thorn]

right, exactly like that

[wind stump]

ok phew i thought i messed up my chance to socialise with Marie because I needed an Aeon Persona

[slim thorn]

iirc the persona types are never a hard block for doing social links, they "just" nearly double the social link points generated by each interaction

[wind stump]

The fact she went inside the Velvet Room and didn't come out had me worried
Plus the guide suggests you have relevant personas for Maximum Socialization

[slim thorn]

yeah, it's absolutely worth the hassle of bringing the right persona types to each social link

you can basically 100% the social links with few or no "spend times"

[fresh bane]

I kinda wish I was able to actually go through with finishing a Persona game

[gaunt marten]

https://store.steampowered.com/search/?sort_by=Released_DESC&category1=998&supportedlang=english&specials=1&publisher=Crystal+Dynamics&ndl=1

Crystal Dynamics sale

85% off and above.

Has the Legacy of Kain games if you've seen them in #1048910682927673396

[fresh bane]

I really still wanna finish P3 and I've wanted to play P4 from even before I actually played P3, I also would wanna play P1 but I've already mentioned why I probably wouldn't

[gaunt marten]

Also Tomb Raider and Marvel's Avengers

[fresh bane]

Unfortunate that Legacy of Kain never went as big as you'd think considering the quality of that franchise

It's probably one of the best videogame franchises made but it's relatively obscure

[gaunt marten]

I never got to play it

For a dollar I'm kinda interested, but I probably won't play it anyway

[fresh bane]

I'd say if you get interested in the writing it's worth it because it has one of the best stories and writing in any videogame, the gameplay is nothing too crazy but it's engaging enough and it's got interesting mechanics like going from a corporeal dimension into an incorporeal spirit dimension

[slim thorn]

I'm kind of in the same boat tbh, I'd probably enjoy a Tomb Raider or a Legacy of Kain, but which one, and am I really going to prioritize it over everything else? eh

[gaunt marten]

I could emulate it

You may need to use https://github.com/crosire/d3d8to9 to fix it if you do grab the PC version

[fresh bane]

Eh, it's not like it's gonna hurt the devs anyway, they're not really around anymore

So go for it

[gaunt marten]

I could, but I probably won't until a future point where I'm more interested

[fresh bane]

I've come to learn that whenever this type of situations pop up, for me, I pretty much have to check the game out at least initially and see if I like it in the moment or else I'm never going to get around to it

It has happened with plenty of media before ''I'll check it out sometime'', never end up doing it, so I have to force myself to do it and see whether I'm actually interested enough in playing or not

[gaunt marten]

Yeah I'm fine if I never end up checking it out.

For me personally, I do end up checking out a lot of old media eventually

I'm playing Ocarina of Time, for example

[fresh bane]

Yeah if you actually do end up checking it out at a later point and you're not like me then yeah of course, I do recommend it though mostly for the writing if you wanna experience a compelling story, and I'd probably say try out Soul Reaver if you ever wanna check out the LoK franchise, just so you don't feel like you gotta start with the very first game and go through all of them which can easily turn off someone from trying out the games

[gaunt marten]

Definitely. Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver is where I'd start

Though I'm not the sort of person to play games for the story. I like games with an enjoyable core gameplay loop above anything else.

[slim thorn]

I think Soul Reaver is the one I watched a long video about before

[gaunt marten]

I was interested because I read about it in magazines

Back when it was new

[fresh bane]

Soul Reaver's gameplay loop is nothing crazy but it's a very fun hack and slash game ala God of War although obviously much earlier than GoW, it has some interesting mechanics I remember enjoying picking up weapons and the different ways enemies can and have to be killed since most of them are monsters or vampires so there's fun stuff like throwing them at spikes or making them burn in the light, the most unique feature is probably the spectral plane mechanic that opens up different paths and opportunities when exploring and platforming

[gaunt marten]

That sounds fun