Your parents basically gave your childhood memories to another person, I would've disintegrated if it happened to me even tho my parents did sell both the family nes and snes. Also I did not have the power to keep any game in great condition because all of my games cases have scratches and has the cover damaged
#general gaming
flint iron
static bluff
lo that celest straswberry
flint iron
They should've known that this is against rule 187 in the collectors handbook 
mossy flume
Yeahhhhhhhhh
So you know those yellow package envelopes with little bubble wrap padding on the inside?
flint iron
Yeh
mossy flume
That's what they stuffed it into.
flint iron
mossy flume
And it was too small for the one they used
So they STUFFED it into there
The simple act of doing that tore the wrapping
And it got crushed in transit
I don't know why I didn't yell at them
flint iron
All they had to do was get a box with a good fit and fill it with packaging air bags
mossy flume
Yeah
flint iron
But the package still has to go through the obstacle of the package deliverer
thorny loom
Yes. Bethesda did that with F4 and Skyrim special edition
With the creation club and all that
flint iron
Are you allowed to get refunded for a damaged package
mossy flume
lo that celest straswberry
That one was a pain to catch. So now it's in a prison.
flint iron
When you are promised it be in the condition it's in as advertised
static bluff
yep that's the creation engine all right
mossy flume
Yeah, but it was a whole thing. So I guess I felt that it just would've been too much at that point to go through a refund argument and buy another.
And ultimately it's not like I plan to resell any of this anyway
mossy flume
https://www.pcgamer.com/classic-bethesda-bug-sees-starfield-crew-members-riding-...
I particularly like the times when the ground grew fail to run away from your spaceship when it's taking off from spaceports, so they get cooked by your engine blasts.
flint iron
And ultimately it's not like I plan to resell any of this anyway
This is really epic collector mentality, I would only sell something that I have no attachment to but something like retro games/consoles is something I would refuse to give away.
mossy flume
Mhmm, I'm very emotionally attached to these things. 
ASD special interests will do that.
flint iron
Only time I've had a console get destroyed was when my cousin got my DS from me and kicked it across the house driveway, splitting the DS in half
flint iron
Yeah I did get a DS lite afterwards, it was just the normal DS
mossy flume
That’s not very pony of him
green fulcrum
thorny loom
Yeah gt
flint iron
Yeh but that cousin did this stuff to everyone else in the family every once in a while
Not the most friendship is magic person
mossy flume
Someone who was once in family was like that. They got wholly and categorically disowned by everyone in our family and extended family.
Although oddly enough I’m not allowed to know what they did that actually caused that whole disowning to happen
Extended family is weird
flint iron
You have to a truly non-awesome family member to have a group agreement to disown you. Really had the family council make a full decision
green fulcrum
Although oddly enough I’m not allowed to know what they did that actually caused...
I hate it when my family deliberately hides stuff like this from me. My mom and dad hid sooooooooo much of what they did to my sister's mental health from me, and I only learned about it last year. Hell, I've been learning a lot of nasty shit about some of my brothers too, and it actually breaks my heart, because we all used to be so close when I was little, and now it feels like so much of it was a lie.
But...I just realized what channel this is, so I'll stop there.
mossy flume
My family rarely keeps secrets. To the point where if there is something they're keeping from me it's probably for a legitimate reason and I should just let it go.
thorny loom
Probably a legal issue
Or as part of a settlement of some kind if they legally cant tell you
flint iron
I assume they deleted somebody’s pokemon save file. <:twimerp:751142908236922950...
This is absolutely treason, did they not care for the national pokedex to be finished via legitimate shiny hunted pokemon in this save file 
mossy flume
Yeah, deleting somebody's Pokémon save file is truly evil. All bets are off at that point. 
minor plover
I was in my 30s before I realized my dad's 2 older sisters were actually half-sisters from grandma's previous marriage that I never heard about
mossy flume
YOu don't mess with Sparky the Pikachu. He did nothing to you.
thorny loom
Pfff
minor plover
sometimes family secrets are weird
mossy flume
I was in my 30s before I realized my dad's 2 older sisters were actually half-si...
Plot twist
thorny loom
I feel bad for families that have lots of relatives in a certain town or area.
flint iron
Talking about sparky the Pikachu, imaging deleting someones save file with event pokemon like spiky eared Pichu in HGSS
thorny loom
Ala very distant that most wont know about relationships
mossy flume
At least it's now possible to perfectly emulate event Pokémon distros,
flint iron
Yeh with the Nintendo wfc exploit, except I couldnt get it to work on gen 4 and only got it to work in gen 5
river veldt
who is Sparky the Pikachu
mossy flume
Just a Pikachu I made up. But Spiky Eared Pichu was a real thing.
river veldt
o
river veldt
is Pikachu in every Pokémon game
mossy flume
It's the law.
flint iron
He's real tho, he is the pikachu of all time in the show
river veldt
does anyone else miss when Pikachu was fat
mossy flume
OH RIGHT THAT ONE
flint iron
does anyone else miss when Pikachu was fat
Yeh, I love bean pikachu
river veldt
don't google fat pikachu
quiet swift
flint iron
My curiosity is currently winning my decision making
flint iron
We need a pokemon game where we get a unsaturated/water color art style
river veldt
iirc Ken Sugimori's original drawins were recently uncovered
mossy flume
And rescanned in high resolution
flint iron
Yeah and they are awesome, plus some of their colors are way different than the ones we have known for years
flint iron
Look at the Pikachu in this illustration in the pokemon g/s guide book
quiet swift
flint iron
Wait that really does match with the Pikachu 
mossy flume
Look at the Pikachu in this illustration in the pokemon g/s guide book
TIL Game Freak is canon in-universe
river veldt
Look at the Pikachu in this illustration in the pokemon g/s guide book
he is fascinated
mossy flume
TIL Game Freak is canon in-universe
I mean we already know this since they literally exist in the gen 1 games, but I’ve never noticed their name written down after that, much less in Unown lettering
river veldt
Unown are weird
remember the scary songg that plays if you use the radio in the Unown temple place
river veldt
someday i'll play Scarlet
i own it
just havent played it yet
do Pokémon games still have scary stuff in them
flint iron
I think the unown radio theme is creepier than Lavender towns theme
river veldt
hmm perhaps
mossy flume
Scary stuff stopped after gen 2
flint iron
They have ghost people but it isnt the same
mossy flume
Pokémon gained strict tone rules after that
flint iron
But dppt had some unsettling moments
river veldt
Scary stuff stopped after gen 2
nuh uh there was some pretty scary stuff in Gen 5
and Gen 6 with that ghost girl
flint iron
I need a refresher for creepy moments in pokemon, time to look for a Top 10 list again
green fulcrum
Yeah, deleting somebody's Pokémon save file is truly evil. All bets are off at t...
I actually heard about someone who deleted her boyfriend's Pokemon data as revenge for not getting her a present on her birthday.
The boyfriend then put his girlfriend's stuff out on the lawn and told her in no uncertain terms that she was no longer welcome in his home. The reason being was that Pokemon data he had earned with his dad, and after his dad had passed away, it was one of the few remaining things left for him to remember.
mossy flume
Was there scary stuff in gen 5? I played through all that and I didn’t notice anything off in that one
river veldt
my memory is a bit fuzzy but i remember there being a ghost girl on one of the bridges and that always spooked me
mossy flume
Ah, I don’t consider that spooky at all, so I guess that didn’t register
river veldt
there was also a haunted house i remember
flint iron
My sister was playing pokemon silver and she ran into a Hiker that had no colors and he was only in black and white and it freaked us out. We thought it was a real haunted gaming moment but now that we are older, we came to a conclusion that the game probably had an error fully loading the Hiker in
river veldt
no the cartridge was haunted
flint iron
visual hill
every copy of Pokémon is personalized
rotund forge
every copy of Pokémon is personalized
missingno is the soul of a child trapped within Lavender Town
That is what I got in my personalized copy
lol
sour hill
I am that child
rotund forge
oh dear
fresh bane
absolutely vital feature of a game right there
rotund forge
Hi-Fi Rush is suchhhhh a good game I wish my Xbox would let me buy it but nooooo, I need a special version of xbox live 😡 I ain't paying for your stupid software AND the game I want to play!
It's not even an online game why do I need Xbox Live anyways?!
bleak lintel
Do you mean Game Pass?
fickle garnet
Its free with gamepass but you can still buy it
fresh bane
I really don't think there's any sort of subscription you have to buy to be able to play the game and it's not gamepass exclusive so you can just buy it and play it 
''I wanted to check if you actually read these descriptions before buying these chips, so I made one that's basically useless''
hushed onyx
Started Sleeping Dogs again 
Got through the starting tutorial missions…hopefully I’ll actually finish the game this time.
dire gate
river veldt
epic !
light gate
That Kirby game looks neat, but the language barrier x_x
dire gate
Apparently Aonuma said that they have no plan for TotK DLC at all
He feels like they did everything they can with the given world
fresh bane
Sounds good
TOTK is already too bloated for my taste, I think people don't really need a DLC at all
I'm ready for them to move on to a new world with the next game (hopefully a new 2D Zelda 
)
gaunt marten
2D Zelda set in the same world as Breath of the Wild
fresh bane
Nah we need yet another 2D Zelda set in the exact same world as LTTP again /s
I honestly had such a good time with LBW that I can't shut up about it and I really hope they consider keeping up the 2D Zeldas
river veldt
Apparently Aonuma said that they have no plan for TotK DLC at all
aw man that sucks. oh well
rancid herald
yeah I was kind of expecting it, considering nothing has been announced
little badger
wind stump
nice chest, lol
wintry canopy
The Purrely archetype is coming out tomorrow, and I have my gems ready for them.
For people who don't know about Yu-Gi-Oh the Purrely archetype is their take on Eevees.
wind stump
Nyaaa
astral steeple
green fulcrum
You got two weeks to migrate your account or lose access to minecraft
RIP literally all the people who are being defiant to the end.
Well, unless they've discovered a workaround
white phoenix
I was on the fence about no man's sky until I saw this video, this is incredible https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gfY6TUx62o
it's like the starfield I wanted all along lmao
river veldt
wind stump
YOU CANNOT SHOOT A HOLE INTO MARS
green fulcrum
proceeds to shoot a hole into Mars
quartz pawn
mossy flume
We specifically requested… 
thorny loom
mossy flume
Last night I had a dream that Nintendo finally revealed Metroid Prime 4 as a launch title for the Switch 2 which ended up being an x86 console with the power of a PS5 and it was the most beautiful damn thing I had ever seen. 
Guess I’m now set up to be disappointed haha
river veldt
what is x86
mossy flume
It’s a processor architecture. The Xbox, PS5, and the vast majority of the computers of the world are x86 or x86-64 systems.
The Switch and things like smartphones and Apple Silicon are ARM, which is a lower power but more power efficient architecture.
white phoenix
Last night I had a dream that Nintendo finally revealed Metroid Prime 4 as a lau...
LOL that sounds way too good to be true
Guess you could really say it was "in your dreams"
The x86 part got me lol, i would get it so fast if it was
mossy flume
Right?
mossy flume
Bruh
sacred grove
I know that BG3 and Starfield are very different games, but for reference, today is Starfield's public launch day. BG3 has been out over a month.
green fulcrum
Soooo...has this been posted already? Factorio's getting a massive expansion involving space exploration and planetary travel. https://factorio.com/blog/post/fff-373
mossy flume
Yep, been posted a few times now
They announced they were doing an expansion the day that 1.0 dropped, then radio silence until that blog post
What’s awesome is that the dev of the Space Exploration mod is directly involved with the expansion’s development
green fulcrum
Ah, well, this is the first I'm hearing about it. I haven't played in a while.
white phoenix
holy shit
mossy flume
Wow
fresh bane
I love when speedrunners go ''yeah this game is super optimized this one time is just impossible'' only for some absolutely insane speedrunner to beat that time and then the cycle repeats with another time I knew they'd get 4:54 at some point
now to wait for the summoning salt video
that's a historic moment right there
mossy flume
Yeah I remember when like 7:00 was the floor
dire gate
summoningsalt qrt'd that so
mossy flume
And sub-5:00 was considered humanly impossible
dire gate
I always love how summoningsalt himself is one of the greatest speedrunners
mossy flume
The speedrunner community is insane and I just don't doubt their ability to bring the times down, ever
fresh bane
I just watched the vod for that speedrun and I love that the guy goes absolutely insane, starts shaking like crazy and just goes right back into playing again automatically 
mossy flume
Zelda Twilight Princess is interesting because it's the only Zelda game where the current best time is higher than ~1 hour, TP is currently slightly under 3 hours because getting it any lower appears to be technically impossible. While some new ideas keep getting thrown around, there's just one tiny detail that derails it in the last second and make it non-viable.
dire gate
At least some records stay for years
summoningsalt himself holds 3 years old record
People have barely catched up his 5 years old record just last year
minor plover
I hate speedrunning as a concept, but I have been impressed with a few specific accomplishments, like the DooMII level "the chasm" where it turned out there's a particular spot where if you hit it at the right angle you get a slight frameskip and can do the level in 23 seconds instead of 24 (and how, generally, the whole speedrun involves making some ridiculous jumps and timing movements)
dire gate
river veldt
The Chasm moment
fresh bane
Yeah Twilight Princess is a pretty special speedrun
mossy flume
Please appreciate my new game: Solitaire Tycoon Manager Remastered, HD Edition
white phoenix
Wonder what the proportions of revenue for each game in each word category are
You could then see which words are just propped by one or two games that are really popular and others that actually have some correlation
chilly mural
is there a steam sale happening soon?
robust spear
random steppe
I know that BG3 and Starfield are very different games, but for reference, today...
That is true but also keep in mind that Starfield is on Gamepass so its actual numbers are probably more than double that at least
wintry canopy
All my master duel gems are gone, but I got all the Purrely archetype cards and these.
visual hill
now to wait for the summoning salt video
Hello you absolute legends.
wait, wrong YouTuber
visual hill
https://youtu.be/NoiByoQ9O4Q
this is one of the earworms of all time
gaunt marten
#blasphemous: I'm in the Graveyard of the Peaks, and this area is shit from ass
I can't figure out the pattern the wind changes from neutral, going left or going right
And it keeps throwing my jumps off
slim thorn
doesn't the wind just alternate between left and right?
that area is absolutely brutal, but mostly because of enemies knocking you off ledges; it's usually consistent if you take it slowly and fight from stable ground (which I'm usually too impatient for but 
)
likely also best to get to the prie dieu at the top and then fall back down for extra items
gaunt marten
The enemies are so much more annoying because I just learned how to parry every attack and now I have to not do that in order to avoid falling off
slim thorn
oh, does a parry knockback push you off ledges? I thought most knockbacks that don't send you flying through the air would magically keep you on the ledge
(I've been doing almost no parrying for my rando run)
gaunt marten
It hasn't happened yet but I'm not about to find out!
Also, I lived! https://i.imgur.com/PLKAT02.png
slim thorn
I remember dying several times in my original playthrough trying to get that item
in retrospect the smart move is probably going up this side (since it has fewer wall statues(?) blocking the climbable surfaces) and then coming down later
gaunt marten
I ignored the whole jump assuming I'll get a movement option later before figuring out you can get more distance jumping when the wind is pushing you
By then I could just climb down from above and reach it easily
slim thorn
yeah, there's a few places higher up where the wind thing is the only option
slim thorn
aaah I forgot the wind does it
quiet swift
This looks like Blasphemous saw Jump King and thought it was a good idea
gaunt marten
Boss fight time https://i.imgur.com/HAO8MJP.png
(Flat arena means big fight)
Oh wait, it was just an entrance
slim thorn
that room is such a troll
but you don't have to fight any bosses with wind pushing you out of the arena 
(there is a boss with incomplete floor, and a boss with wind, but they're different, and not here)
dire gate
*Hello you absolute legends.*
wait, wrong YouTuber
Honestly I like SummoningSalt more but Karl Jobst has overall broader coverage so I often watch his
rancid herald
the nintendo Swiitch
arctic fern
nintendo switched
rancid herald
nintendo dom--
dire gate
Nintendo Switcheroo
teal cliff
Nintendo Change
arctic fern
nintendo shift
nintendo alteration
nintendo reversal
nintendo transformation
nintendo swap
nintendo substitution
yes i did open a thesaurus to "switch" how could you tell?
static bluff
the nintendo Swiitch
Swii-utch DS lite
gaunt marten
I already can't believe they made the switch
They moved on from the Nintendo Double Screen to the Nintendo single screen
arctic fern
what do you mean? we went from two screens on one console to one on the console and one on the TV
arctic fern
actually tbh i think that might be the next iteration of the console, a combination of the wii and switch, the handheld has less powerful components but links to a tv base station with more powerful stuff
but can use both the handheld and home at the same time
static bluff
bring the tower of power back
dire gate
actually tbh i think that might be the next iteration of the console, a combinat...
Switch U
static bluff
Switch 64
man
what if they actually named it the super switch
like that would be so cool
#MakeNesSuperAgain
teal cliff
super switch is what they called me in college
static bluff
Hayoooooooo
river veldt
i think that would be cool Onosa
gaunt marten
Yeah. I don't want Nintendo to give every console a gimmick
Just make something good
If it's better than the one before I'm happy
Suspicious: https://i.imgur.com/VVekd8Z.png
After going down the stairs, I immediately appear in https://i.imgur.com/gYrp38u.png
(This means the developers didn't know how to make it so your character appears on the stairs in a new screen)
Holy shit this ghost spits lasers
heady bridge
chilly mural
at captain marvel
gaunt marten
First boss dead https://i.imgur.com/b5uqr06.png
quiet swift
white phoenix
https://www.eurogamer.net/nintendo-demoed-switch-2-to-developers-at-gamescom
https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/sources-nintendo-showed-switch-2-demos-at-gamescom/
according to this article, they allegedly showed botw and the Matrix UE5 demo running with DLSS, which would be super impressive
apparently nintendo also filed ai upscaling tech patents
if they get this right in line with current hardware and make it portable like the switch, this would be amazing
that might be too hopeful though
teal sonnet
DLSS is amazing for handhelds
thorny loom
Knowing nintendos history . They’ll probably make it specs wise comparable to a 2020 pc
The switch was comparable to a 2015-2016 pc at launch.
river veldt
2020 wasnmt that long ago
gaunt marten
2020 was 20 years ago
river veldt
nuh uh
sacred grove
did I accidentally time travel to 2040 again
thorny loom
It would be kinda cool if for a launch title they did an updated totk and botw bundle
white phoenix
comparing consoles to PCs by year isn't a very good metric because the range of PCs varies greatly
gaunt marten
No they should update Twilight Princess and Majora's Mask
thorny loom
Though id place more money on a new 3d mario game
thorny loom
No they should update Twilight Princess and Majora's Mask
Twilight Princess yeah. MM they just need ti port the 3ds version with some graphics updates
mossy flume
https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/sources-nintendo-showed-switch-2-demos-...
There have been some other interesting reports lately. Supposedly the thing can run FF7 Remake and looks like the PS5 version.
Which would track with the AI upscaling
Further, several claims that there will be a big direct this month. 
river veldt
Further, several claims that there will be a big direct this month. <:hmmdash:10...
well there will def be a direct considering there's one every september but yeah
green fulcrum
I can't tell if that's a smart statement or a dumb statement. With Todd Howard it's genuinely difficult to tell sometimes.
gaunt marten
They did optimize it for PC, but they can't really pay off the technical debt that comes from the old engine
green fulcrum
Because he is right, next-gen games often require more storage and a beefier computer to play them. Hell, even Baldur's Gate 3 requires it to an extent. But at the same time...it's Todd Howard saying it.
static bluff
I thought the creation 2 engine was new
fwiw the game looks quite playable to me using low or medium settings.
static bluff
booya
mossy flume
It's a major overhaul it looks like
green fulcrum
ES6 might use CE3 by the time it's released, lol.
gaunt marten
Yeah. It's overhauled significantly but still suffers from some of the same limitations like the draw call issue
mossy flume
Yeah. It’s still based on CE1
rugged flax
basically, Beth still using Creation Engine boils down to that they have over a decade of work refining things like quest systems, managing and serialising items, etc that they would need to redo, and it would take years to rewrite everything into a new game engine...if that engine architecture can even handle an open world.
CE has been used for open world games for over a decade, there is no doubt that it's more mature for open worlds than UE4 (probably even UE5).
This is not only a question of backend stuff like data streaming, it's also how the content tools are set up. If your tools don't support making open worlds, you're not gonna ship any open world games. Even UE5 is clearly an engine and toolkit tailored for corridor shooters.
random steppe
I don't think Starfield is terribly optimised, for that engine it works about as well as it can be expected
green fulcrum
I don't think so either, but it does look...bland, especially with NPCs. They've got the same dead eyes and dead expressions that all Bethesda NPCs have.
The world itself is detailed pretty well, I just don't understand why they can't seem to do NPCs very well at all.
random steppe
I thought the npcs look fine.
It's not cutting edge level of facial animation but so far they didn't stand out as distracting levels of bad.
I also have by deafult relatively low expectations from bethesda games
And to be honest, animations aren't something I care about a whole lot so I don't focus on it much
static bluff
More like "Stare"field, am I right
random steppe
The main story seem to be as bland as it can get, luckily I fucked off doing sidestuff right after I delivered the artifact and those idiots haven't seen me since, and the side content seems to be much cooler from what I've played so far
green fulcrum
Yeah, that's another thing people aren't liking, the actual plot of the game. Sure, there's lots of fun stuff to do on the side, but when the main driving story of the game isn't a big hit with the players, it's still a f*ckup.
random steppe
Yeah but that's literally been every bethesda game since Fallout 3
green fulcrum
That, and copy-pasted enemy placement and assets. Someone found two different planets with the exact same outpost in the exact same hill with the exact same enemies with the exact same loot and the exact same environment, just colored differently.
random steppe
99% of the the content seems to be engaging, it's a pretty good ratio so far
rose rose
That, and copy-pasted enemy placement and assets. Someone found two different pl...
This is literally a feature that they have discussed at some length.
random steppe
So far my favourite type of encounter is when I happen to jump somewhere and find a ship adrift that doesn't respond to communication, it's always exciting to go in and see what i find and what happened to it
rose rose
The planets get content assigned as you approach. If you're just bopping around aimlessly you have decent odds of eventually seeing a repeat
green fulcrum
Understandable, but it's still a bit disappointing when they marketed each planet as being "100% unique".
rose rose
The planets probably are. The content is inherently limited
random steppe
So far I didn't have to do the same thing twice, we'll see if that changes.
rose rose
I assume they attempt to avoid repeats in a short period of time but ultimately it is pretty inevitable
random steppe
Can't wait to visit mars, it's my next stop
rose rose
Mars has quite a lot going on
gaunt marten
They should have done it like Daggerfall
100% procedurally generated, 100% unique, 100% exactly the same.
Even the hand-designed places are all samey. What a game that was
rugged flax
Planets will all have the same name, traits, and types of resources for you as they do for anyone else playing.
But when you actually land on a planet, that's when the procedural generation kicks in.
Landing on a planet generates a large area around you and your ship, and that includes randomized terrain and points of interest that can include structures, outposts, facilities, caves, and planetary traits. Even if you and another player were to land on the very same spot, the points of interest would be different for each of you. Where you and other players will find the same things are major cities and outposts, and locations you're sent to while on official quests.
gaunt marten
Procedural generation can result in different stuff or the same stuff for everyone based on procedure
rose rose
I think that's the inverse of when procedural generation is used
Almost all the planets are procedurally generated (in advance, so they are the same for everyone)
The assigned content was made manually, and it's only the assignment to planets that varies
(because almost nobody will see most of the random planets so it would be a waste of development time to assign much content exclusively to one location unless it's pointed at by a top-level quest)
random steppe
So far the game has been varied enough to keep me there but this system is definitely one you know if it holds up when you are at hour 50 not at hour 10
rose rose
I am 45 hours in and recently did my third main story quest. 
random steppe
I do think that the game does need vehicles, and probably power armor (they alrady had the system in F4, they should make an exoskeletron in this one too, it fits and would allow them to make more extreme enviorment in which you need one to explore effectively)
Hoping for it in a future DLC
rose rose
Vehicles would be nice to have.
random steppe
Personally I'd also like cybernetic augmentations
rose rose
Though faster transport would probably make the planet zone edges much more obvious
random steppe
I think it's fine
rose rose
Although I've found that O2 usage reduction and boost packs make for speedy long-distance traversal.
green fulcrum
I'm surprised vehicles aren't available right at the start. This is a sci-fi planetary exploration RPG, vehicles are a must.
rose rose
It is a sci-fi RPG with planets. Exploration of individual planets is there but doesn't really feel like the point.
Especially given that ultimately you can just pick your ship up and drop it off somewhere else on the planet if you want to go a really long distance.
(and, in fact, you must)
green fulcrum
That's fair, but they're still a must for people who want to explore said planets (AKA: most of the players) without needing to always use the ship method.
rose rose
Do they, though?
random steppe
Normally I'd agree but given how scope creep tend to lead to buggy messes and how Bethesda for once managed to avoid that, I wont complain about it not being there on release.
green fulcrum
Do they, though?
It's an RPG. Of course they do. That's part of the main draw for games like these.
rose rose
I suspect an average player is probably more interested in the bits that have things going on than the infinite wasteland.
I don't think wandering around vast, empty, procedurally generated land is typically considered a main draw of RPGs.
green fulcrum
It was for this one. People were extremely excited to explore the planets.
rose rose
But it is not an experience that I think would actually be enhanced by going faster.
(in fact I maintain that it would make it worse)
random steppe
I think vehicles with their own cargo would have solved a lot of problems
You arrive at a place, get off your vehicle to explore it, and when you get back you offload your loot to your vehicle and on to the next location
Sounds like a more enjoyable gamplay cycle than fast travel back to ship, offload stuff, fast travel back to location
rose rose
I think a potentially better solution to that would be to just give Vasco a much higher carry capacity
(which they did not)
random steppe
Thing is, I kinda want to go aroudn alone, Vasco is kind of annoying
rose rose
It's a robot, it is much more maneuverable than a vehicle, it is a system already in the game.
mossy flume
You can tell him to go away
random steppe
yeah but then I don't have his cargo
So I have to suffer claptrap slighltly less annoying cousin
rose rose
(all the other companions can also carry things and I generally feel are less annoying and more useful)
random steppe
And his 7 lines he keeps repeating ad nauseum in combat
The others might be less annoying but their AI aren't any better I suspect
rose rose
And also are actually human sized so they don't get in your way all the time
Their AI is not very good but they are still pretty handy in combat.
random steppe
I still think that vehicle would be a better solution, but harder to implement.
Eventually maybe, or maybe modders will add a buggy
rose rose
(Unlike Vasco, they also actually seem to kill things somewhat effectively)
random steppe
Like, it'd be nice if you could bring a buggy but to counter that, you have to fit the garage on your ship somewhere.
rose rose
Of course also unlike vasco they pass moral judgement on your actions and contribute in conversations
(And rage quit if you fire on someone unprovoked)
random steppe
I 100% expect modders to bring the Fallout power armors into it within a month, I wonder how much of it is just compatible with Starfield without much effort.
I mean without much effort relatively speaking
Animation and models probably would just work in the same engine, maybe without breaking too much
mossy flume
Modders already hacked in the FF14 races into Baldur's Gate 3. Modders scare me.
I'm sure they can toss in the power armor in like ten minutes. 
A quick google shows people asking for said mod, so I guess give it a week
thorny loom
I don't think so either, but it does look...bland, especially with NPCs. They've...
Lets be real. Modders will make it a lot more tolerable
For what it is. Its an alright bethesda game
mossy flume
It’s the first Bethesda game I’ve actually enjoyed playing
The jank level is down to a tolerable level
thorny loom
I’ll probably enjoy it from what ive seen
Nothing else ill just remod skyrim and go back to that or new vegas
mossy flume
I just wish it had more space in it
Elite Dangerous, NMS, X4, even Star Citizen set a high bar for space exploration in video games. I know that they were explicitly, very explicitly not targeting anything like that and that’s legitimately fine, but it’s like… Mass Effect’s map screen from 2008 feels like it has more space level exploration than this game does. 
slim thorn
(This means the developers didn't know how to make it so your character appears ...
indeed, the sequel is generally more polished in places like this, though I can't quite remember if this specific detail changed
mossy flume
If you’re going to market a space game that’s about exploration, maybe you should focus a little more on the space side instead of primarily the ground side
slim thorn
Holy shit this ghost spits lasers
yup, that was one of the harder enemies for me to deal with my first time around
random steppe
It also help that I care about the space setting a lot more than Fallout or generic fantasy world
slim thorn
First boss dead https://i.imgur.com/b5uqr06.png
congrats 
not just on beating it but on going for a different first boss than Nire and I did
mossy flume
It also help that I care about the space setting a lot more than Fallout or gene...
Ditto
But that’s really my only real complaint. It’s a fun RPG otherwise
slim thorn
I do feel like a lot of people projected Star Citizen-like expectations onto this whole Starfield thing
but at least Starfield shipped
random steppe
I mean, it was clear right away this wasn't going to be that
mossy flume
Well they were definitely making it sound like they were going for something like Elite Dangerous or E:D lite
slim thorn
it was, but
mossy flume
I wasn’t expecting Star Citizen level, they made it clear early on it wasn’t that
random steppe
To get my space sim itch out of the way I put a few hundred hours in X4 in july, so I wasn't looking for what's not there in this one.
mossy flume
Just would be nice if it had a little more room to fly around in before you hit loading screens
green fulcrum
For what it is. Its an alright bethesda game
Not saying it's a bad game. From what I've seen, there's plenty about it to enjoy, and it's certainly got the attention of the critics with all its 9s and 10s. I'm glad it's doing well.
mossy flume
Like I expected to fly around the solar systems, not have fast travel gates between planets
random steppe
The fast travel bit wouldn't be a problem if there were also space-side locations to explore
random steppe
Like, jumping to a space station, or to an asteroid field and having to look for something there
river veldt
Bethesda games are like, you get really addicted for 600 hours and then never play again
random steppe
That would have been a good add, the ship is definitely underutilised
green fulcrum
I feel like if you added NMS's flight mechanics to Starfield, a lot more people would be satisfied.
mossy flume
Just add content at least. There's the very occasional dogfight in space, but those are very sparse.
random steppe
Kinda...in a way I kinda hated how NMS made the systems feel small
Since you could very very fast hop from planet to planet
mossy flume
Space mining would've been good
random steppe
Broke the illusion in a way
You can reportedly shoot asteroids and get resources from it
river veldt
why is it called dogfighting
slim thorn
good question
random steppe
I have no idea
thorny loom
it comes from WWI i think with plane fights
It used to be used to for close quarters melee combat but then just got adopted over to air combat
wind stump
A DOGFIGHT generally used in terms of air combat, was given this name due to its fast and quick nature between two fighter aircrafts. As the name suggests, when two dogs fight each other they involve in chasing each other to overcome their opponent for establishing its power over other.
river veldt
hee hee doggies
thorny loom
Rare sale of dark souls games https://store.steampowered.com/sale/Dark_Souls_Franchise
feral tulip
fresh bane
The difference between the tas and this run is frames away it's one of the biggest achievements
The speedrunning community better stop saying certain times are humanly impossible to achieve with how many times they've been proven wrong 
wind stump
ah yes
who needs to see
thorny loom
fresh bane
I didn't even notice they slightly redesigned Miles' suit, I kinda feel like it wasn't necessary
quiet swift
ah yes
who needs to see
Snrk. I've been playing this with my fiancée lately
wind stump
This is worse than RDM LB3
quiet swift
There's some gloriously chaotic moments
wind stump
I'm trying to see if I can get to 1m crystals before I cash in the run
wind stump
wind stump
It kind of
Spirals out of control
Since you get more damage to invest into more perks into more damage and
quiet swift
I had a pretty fun build but made the mistake of choosing glass cannon
My fiancée had like 800 health at the end of our run, I had... 170?
But dear god the damage
quiet swift
fresh bane
holy interconnected map shortcuts batman!
dense crypt
This is worse than RDM LB3
what game this
slim thorn
no one knows how that elevator was built, we just assume The Miracle felt like it one day
so how was Graveyard of the Peaks for you?
fresh bane
yeeheheeeeeah boi I found another health upgrade
I don't even wanna try posting a ss of that npc because it's super nsfw .
fresh bane
so how was Graveyard of the Peaks for you?
uuuh which area is that? 
Oh I know, Camposanto de las Cumbres
It was fine
slim thorn
#blasphemous: I'm in the Graveyard of the Peaks, and this area is shit from ass
myself and Flitter struggled there
fresh bane
I only got annoyed at the fact that I kept making careless mistakes and dying a bunch when I was trying to explore all of it after getting into the convent
slim thorn
same
I just redid it a few days ago in our rando and I died a million times again despite knowing the dangers in advance
and it was mostly my own fault
fresh bane
But that was me not the game, the area is fine it's meant to be a challenge
I accidentally found a secret room in that area which I found funny
I fell of a ledge and thought fuck another death and I happened to swing as I fell and I just opened a secret wall/room
slim thorn
nice
fresh bane
I see you
hmmmm.....
Don't really know how to get to that, there's no way they want me to just go all the way down/up and call the elevator and make all the way back down somehow?
slim thorn
regardless of elevator shenanigans, I do not believe you can get that yet
but check your prayers, there's often a creative/cheesy option for cherubs depending on which prayers you've found so far
hehe
slim thorn
faster swing 
little badger
mossy flume
Weirdly large volume of independent claims about the Switch 2 these past 48 hours
I wonder if a new devkit went out
mossy flume
Nintendo is legendarily aggressive in their NDAs. Most likely it's devkits that went out and some mid and low levels devs working on games for these things posting them anonymously online.
little badger
I wonder if a new devkit went out
Apparently at gamescom some devs got switch 2 kits.
mossy flume
Yeah
It's likely that a Switch 2 announcement will happen either this month or early next year
little badger
And release in summer or winter?
little badger
Yeah.
mossy flume
I'd bet H2 2024
little badger
Battery will also need to be improved
mossy flume
Question is, will Prime 4 come out as a Switch 1 & 2 title or just Switch 1?
And is the Switch 2 backwards compatible?
thorny loom
And is the Switch 2 backwards compatible?
Given nintendos history I doubt it
They’ll probably just port the switch online stuff over to it so they can charge premium for ports of stuff
https://www.pcgamer.com/japanese-court-throws-the-book-at-youtuber-who-uploaded-copyrighted-game-clips-and-spoilers-two-years-in-the-slammer-and-yen1m-fine/ speaking of “things im suprised Nintendo didnt do”
river veldt
Given nintendos history I doubt it
lol what. Nintendo has always been good about backwards compatibility
random steppe
I don't play Nintendo but it's no what people I know that use Nintendo say to me
To my knowledge, a lot of old Nintendo exclusive titles just aren't playable on current hardware, pepople kinda have to emulate them
slim thorn
I remember the Wii supporting Gamecube discs but other than that have they ever had back compat?
river veldt
the WiiU was backwards compatible with the Wii. the 3DS was backwards compatible with the DS. the Wii was backwards compatible with the Gamecube etc
slim thorn
ah the DSes and WiiU
slim thorn
abuela assist! <:pipppipphooray:1108783880628080720>
the word for "face" is just "faz"?
random steppe
Yeah but they don't port their old titles to current gen hardware, and with the fact that they fight emulation so throughly, it's like they effectively want to kill stuff they don't port
rose rose
ah the DSes and WiiU
And the Gameboys.
river veldt
i don't understand what you mean
rose rose
The DS took this to an extreme by having a second cartridge slot to deal with the Game Boy having different cartridges.
random steppe
Here is an example, let's say I want to play Xenoblade Chronicles X?
How would I go about it?
rose rose
(and a whole bunch of duplicate hardware)
random steppe
It's a Wii U exclusive title
rose rose
That is a very different problem though.
river veldt
i don't know how they are supposed to make a disc fit on the Switch
rose rose
Nintendo has been quite good historically about letting software from the previous generation run on the current one directly.
Doing ports is a different question.
And not the one that "will the switch 2 support switch games?" asks
random steppe
Yeah what I'm saying is that I've seen largely lots of games being abandoned in the older generation to die, in a way that once the hardware of those old games stops working, they'd become impossible to play legally
mossy flume
TIL they never did a digital port of XCX to Switch. That's rather silly.
river veldt
those are ports though not backwards compatibility
slim thorn
my impression was that sufficiently old games tend to need emulation regardless, since not everything gets a modern PC rerelease, sometimes the modern rerelease has issues, and it just feels like "I always have to emulate Nintendo stuff" because there was an era of gaming where Nintendo made kind of a lot of the best games
random steppe
True
mossy flume
I mean, if it's already done with digital distribution, they can do it either with an emulator or just retarget.
fresh bane
the word for "face" is just "faz"? <:rdsnrk:587780329335422977>
One of them, the most common is cara/rostro, cara and faz also mean the sides of something like the side of a coin
random steppe
We'll see as the success of the Switch release
thorny loom
Based on recent releases. Nintendo might start making hd ports of older games like gamecube and up “hd versions” they can charge $30-$60 for
rose rose
They've been doing that for a decade
fresh bane
Lol their hd ports are pretty worthless
random steppe
If Nintendo do as the other big AAA that allows you to upgrade your game for the next generation for a 10 bucks, if it's just compatible right out of the box, or if you need to buy it again.
It being just compatible would be the most consumer friendly option for sure
rose rose
Apparently Wind Waker HD's tenth anniversary is in two weeks
fresh bane
You can get way more value for free by emulating
thorny loom
Apparently Wind Waker HD's tenth anniversary is in two weeks
Yeah and its still not ported to switch
fresh bane
Not only visually but in features too
river veldt
isn't WWHD the superior version cause the Triforce quest doesn't suck
rose rose
It also lets you sail without screwing with the wind direction
And lets you go faster
(part of the function of the sea was hiding loads, and the Wii U could load faster)
river veldt
man i'd really like to play that game
thorny loom
And they still havent ported OoT and MM 3d from the 3ds to switch ethier
rose rose
WW really suffered from the back half of the game just being noise to stretch out the playtime.
The HD version just deletes a bunch of it
(it is, however, still a pain)
mossy flume
Yeah, it's literally done to pad out runtime because Nintendo was concerned the game was too short
thorny loom
The boat talks doesnt it
rose rose
Also Tingle if you go for the multiplayer setup
thorny loom
Basically if your gonna emulate it. Do the wiiu hd port
I wouldnt expect many more things on the switch after mario wonder anyway
river veldt
there is that untitled Peach game, Super Mario RPG remake, Luigi's Mansion Dark Moon remake
there are many things
thorny loom
Mario rpg remake definitely looks interesting
In would be surprised if dark moon is more than just an HD upscale
river veldt
are you just forgetting all the times Nintendo has done a bunch of QOL updates for their remakes or something
thorny loom
I mean I recently played pikmin 1 and 2 hd. Outside of textures and remapped controls i didnt notice much else
river veldt
that's not a remake that's a remaster
thorny loom
Last time i played and hd remake was OoT 3d about 6 months ago
Ah
I definitely noticed it in the 3d zelda remakes and alpha sapphire yes
fresh bane
you mean how they ruined a bunch of mechanics on Majora's Mask like the zora swimming and deku link's spin on water lol
river veldt
im talking about WW and LA ive never played MM remake
slim thorn
and even when remakes are great, it's often different enough that there's still value in playing both versions (like RE2+4)
fresh bane
The only one I can think of was good was OOT which is pretty much the definitive version to play the game even Skyward Sword's port is laughable for 60 bucks considering the only thing they really did was add a skip button which should've been a basic function in a 2011 game and the button mapped controls for combat which is bare minimum because the visuals weren't even touched on that much if at all
river veldt
and even when remakes are great, it's often different enough that there's still ...
there is no value in going back to LA Gameboy unless you just really like Gameboy games
thorny loom
Yeah… some stuff was questionable
slim thorn
I didn't say anything about LA lol
thorny loom
The journal was a major improvement
slim thorn
even my "RE2+4" phrasing is very conspicuously leaving out 1 and 3 lol
thorny loom
OoT remake did a lot more right
fresh bane
The Mario all stars collection was also just a complete scam
thorny loom
The only one id play would be galaxy for the remade controls
river veldt
I didn't say anything about LA lol
i thought you were comparing remakes in general and was using RE2 and 4 as examples
sorry
thorny loom
The others are just basically hd texture upscales
river veldt
i think 3d All Stars was cool
thorny loom
Their fine for what it is yes
mossy flume
i think 3d All Stars was cool
It's insane that Nintendo only sold this for a limited time
fresh bane
Not even that, Mario 64 wasn't even an upscaled it wasn't even widescreen and it had huge black boxes around the screen
thorny loom
But yeah. Ill mever understand that
mossy flume
They seem to seriously hate making their old software available
fresh bane
It's absolutely laughable
mossy flume
While also complaining about emulation.
Emulation will continue so long as Nintendo refuses to make their games available for purchase in a reasonable manner.
fresh bane
The limited time offer is the scummiest thing ever, they know their audience will already buy it because they buy everything but they put the limited time offer to increase that fomo even further
river veldt
i hate emulating things on my computer it never works
slim thorn
there is a reason why, in the Archipelago game I'm currently participating in, my Blasphemous copy is the official Steam version I legally purchased, while my Link to the Past copy is a rom in an emulator
thorny loom
You can buy hard drives on amazon that hav emulators on them nowadays
river veldt
i don't even know what a hard drive is
slim thorn
and I might be emulating Super Mario 64 for the next one
fresh bane
People say the big multimillionaire company could never compete with the random emulation community that's a bunch of random dudes trying to get old emulators to work with a million plugins but most of Nintendo's stuff doesn't even come close to emulated games' quality
thorny loom
i don't even know what a hard drive is
What you store computer data on
rose rose
there is a reason why, in the Archipelago game I'm currently participating in, m...
LttP is currently legally available. It's just not a PC game.
slim thorn
true, Nintendo has a lot of console exclusives
white phoenix
Too bad they'll almost certainly never release their games on pc because they don't actually sell their consoles at a loss
Which is a shame for game preservation
river veldt
idk why that's too bad
slim thorn
i hate emulating things on my computer it never works
fwiw, I've been emulating on and off for well over a decade, and the first few times I tried it was a pretty horrible buggy experience, but within the last year-ish it's achieved the magical "just works" property and thus I've been emulating significantly more often than I used to
river veldt
idk i just hate dealing with my computer beyond minecraft
slim thorn
PC software is inherently better preserved because PCs as a concept don't become obsolete niche hardware in 5-10 years, you just buy a better one that mostly runs all the same programs as before
(yes, Nintendo consoles have some backwards compat, pretty good by industry standards, but it's not like the Switch can run all NES, SNES, GC and Wii games without porting or emulating)
river veldt
an nes cartridge is the size of a Switch Lite screen how would that work
white phoenix
Yeah once they stop selling the current consoles, unless future ones have good backwards compatibility, you'd have no way to play the gane unless they go out of their way to release it in a modern port
slim thorn
that's part of the point, almost every physical distribution mechanism for video games has become obsolete so fast that digital equivalents are the only viable way to play them for most of us
even modern discs seem to be on their way out
river veldt
i dont know what the problem is
mossy flume
an nes cartridge is the size of a Switch Lite screen how would that work
You don't need to deal with their physical counterparts. Digital distribution is fine.
slim thorn
the claim was that PC games/ports are inherently better preserved, and you asked why that is
I was just answering that specific question
white phoenix
This is also why people were so pissed with rdr not being on pc
You have no way to play it
white phoenix
Ha no, along with mgs4 it's notoriously one of the most popular games to attempt to emulate
slim thorn
like, I'm not interested in calling Nintendo mean names or anything, most of this stuff is basically industry standard and Nintendo's getting disproportionate flak for it mostly because they have the best 1st party games library of any console manufacturer by a country mile, so this whole cluster of issues naturally matters more for them than any other company
river veldt
im sorry im not plugged into thr pc gaming sphere
mossy flume
i dont know what the problem is
The problem is that ~88% of classic games are not possible to legally purchase or play and publishers simultaneously refuse to make them available while also putting in a lot of money and effort into squashing fan efforts to preserve them.
Nintendo is the worst offender in this regard.
slim thorn
huh, where's the 88% figure from?
fresh bane
It's not just an industry standard thing, Nintendo actively goes against the preservation of their own games with their practices and then demonize emulators and piracy for finding ways to preserve and emulate games they don't care about
mossy flume
huh, where's the 88% figure from?
There was a recent study, hold on
white phoenix
And it's like bitch we want to give you money but you don't have any way for us to play it legally lmao
slim thorn
yeah Nintendo's protective of its IP on top of all the standard stuff
river veldt
88% of Yoshis eat fruits
fresh bane
They basically expect you to buy all their consoles and every game they have published or else you're fucked
slim thorn
ah that article
mossy flume
But yeah, it's not a study that requires a lot of effort
rose rose
It's not just an industry standard thing, Nintendo actively goes against the pre...
Nothing about this is particularly unique to Nintendo except in that people are significantly more interested in playing old Nintendo games.
mossy flume
Just checking markets
river veldt
calculator for Atari 2600
slim thorn
Peach said what I said but much shorter
river veldt
lol
mossy flume
But yeah, for preservation it's a huge problem. Which is why emulation is so thoroughly worked on these days.
river veldt
do people try and emulate that one game for the Xbox where they made a NES like game for the WiiWare and the colour pallette is brouwn and grey
i don't remember the name
it was Konami i think
mossy flume
Also why so much money is poured into finding and buying rare cartridges and discs so that they can be dumped
river veldt
the guy had a grappling hook hand
slim thorn
to avoid continuing fixation on Nintendo, I'll mention that my RetroArch history is made up mostly of: multiple Zelda games, a Hamtaro game, multiple Fire Emblem games, multiple Resident Evil games, and multiple Castlevania games
slim thorn
granted, Hamtaro and Zelda are Nintendo
slim thorn
but that's still less than half of what I've been emulating since I adopted RetroArch
Steam has the RE remakes
river veldt
o
slim thorn
I emulated the original 1-3
mossy flume
slim thorn
similarly, Fire Emblem I believe has the latest installments on Steam but not the earlier ones
fresh bane
A proper RE3 remaster would be glorious
But none of the original RE games before RE4 are available
river veldt
i thought they made a RE 3 remake
slim thorn
they did, Nire said "remaster" for a reason
fresh bane
The RE3 remake is not that good
slim thorn
RE's remake situation gets complicated fast if you want it to
river veldt
i thought people liked it ?
white phoenix
similarly, Fire Emblem I believe has the latest installments on Steam but not th...
I don't think they do, cause otherwise I would have played them a long time ago
slim thorn
nah RE3 is the only one of the 4 RE remakes so far that has lots of strongly negative opinions
fresh bane
People liked RE2R, RE3R was received with a very mixed response to say the least
river veldt
are they going to remake 5 and 6
slim thorn
we don't know
fresh bane
As a game it's inoffensive, it's a fine game, as a remake of RE3 it's pretty bad
slim thorn
the simplest reason to explain is that RE3 remake is missing weirdly huge chunks of RE3 original
river veldt
i dont know anything about re3
slim thorn
that's why I only gave the simplest reason
I'm tailoring my response to the present audience
slim thorn
you're thinking of Mr X from RE2
river veldt
o
mossy flume
Another example of this is FF7 Remake. The remake is such a massive overhaul that it rewrites the story, making the original FF7 still worth playing.
slim thorn
RE3's Nemesis has no hat
river veldt
let me google
slim thorn
actually iirc RE2 original Mr X has no hat, the fedora was a remake addition
rose rose
and Fire Emblem
Fire Emblem is Nintendo and therefore not on Steam
river veldt
i think he would look better with a hat
slim thorn
oh whoops I thought someone else published FE
okay then more than half of my emulation is Nintendo after all
fresh bane
Remake Mr.X has a fedora and Bitores Méndez has a hat too
mossy flume
back to calling the megacorp mean names for making games we like
Whoops, thought it would be smaller
river veldt
old bat yells at cloud
slim thorn
nice
white phoenix
"Old" oof
white phoenix
I'm aware lol
mossy flume
I have a whole collection of these
I like this one
Midnight Yells at At Cloud... Hop
slim thorn
I guess I should mention that so far I haven't tried emulating any Switch games
which makes some of you deeper into emus than me
river veldt
emu moment
slim thorn
I like shortening it to emu to make bird jokes
but personally, now that RetroArch has been shockingly consistent at emulating every console I care about, except Switch, I kinda just don't want to bother doing the setup work for a Switch
and I already played TotK so too late now
not like they'll put anything else I care about on that console
white phoenix
All I want is to experience botw, totk, and fe three houses
river veldt
not going to play Wonder ??
river veldt
what about Super Mario RPG remake
slim thorn
it's an RPG
slim thorn
you've been in this channel when I talked about RPGs before
river veldt
but Mario is in it
mossy flume
If they remove Samus from the remake imma flip tables
river veldt
YEAH
i hope Dread Samus is in it
that would be funny
and i guess BotW/TotK Link too
mossy flume
Eepy Samus
river veldt
she's resting up for Raven Beak
slim thorn
this specific area is super random
tell me if you figure out what to do with the tree
I did not
fresh bane
ever?
slim thorn
as in I eventually looked it up
the quasi-boss fight there actually makes much more sense, or at least it will later
fresh bane
haven't found a bonfire in this area yet and the last one is before the tree and I have no potions left and less than a quarter health
so I'm definitely gonna die
slim thorn
on the plus side, you survived that fight
I did not
(originally; I did in rando this week!)
fresh bane
:sunsetclap:
Yep, died running into an enemy, the single stupidest way you could die 
I do not like these bells...
slim thorn
I like the bell zone
fresh bane
I don't think I can say I like anything that is actively trying to hurt me
but they're better than the acid pipes at least
slim thorn
you wouldn't still be playing the game if you didn't like it
fresh bane
don't question my ability to play something out of spite
luckily the bell guys are easier to find this time so it's not as bad as I thought going into the area
being able to activate the bells to interact with stuff in other places is also an interesting way to turn a hazard into a tool unlike the lava pots and acid pipes
fresh bane
hah nice
slim thorn
the bestest number /s
slim thorn
[Redento Will Remember That]
fresh bane
He gave me a weird finger as a reward thanks old man
slim thorn
iirc it's a toe?
fresh bane
a ring toe/finger
slim thorn
ah right language stuff
Japanese also has "foot finger" to mean toe
anyway I always equip that bead if I have enough knots
fresh bane
In spanish a ring finger is ''anular'' or ''dedo anular'' so it's usually just one word
I do have 2 knots but I dunno what they do yet
Wait, is that it for this area? I can't really go anywhere else
Oh whoops nevermind
Okay I'm definitely getting a dash or double jump for this at some point
slim thorn
|| everyone assumes that, but ||
slim thorn
funny you did that by accident
iirc in my original run ||I realized the middle bell was linked to those statues in other rooms, but after destroying the other statues I somehow didn't put it together that I needed to go ring the middle one again ||
(might as well spoil the answer since Flitter's not there yet)
slim thorn
yep, clearing one area is plenty of progress for one session
fresh bane
Technically two areas, I cleared the convent and now Jondo
slim thorn
actually, wait
slim thorn
I don't think I'm supposed to be here <:rdwut:399725074204065802>
did you go through this door?
slim thorn
I'll just tell you this one
that's a tiny area with a few NPC/upgrade rooms and no enemies
at least for me it's much more satisfying to end a session with that stuff than to start on it
fresh bane
well damn 
I already closed the game and I was all the way down on the new area under Jondo
fresh bane
I guess I can quickly open it up again and go check that out just to get it out of the way before I go any further into the other areas I opened up
hello 
oooooooooh nice nice nice
alrighty yeah that was worth getting to now I got another sword upgrade
mossy flume
Supposedly the Switch 2 can run Epic Games’ UE5 Matrix demo
And yeah, DLSS + raytracing, supposedly. Gamescom demo supposedly also had a special version of BotW running on it.
As I understand it that suggests it’s more powerful than the Steam Deck, as I think it can’t reasonably run that UE5 demo IIRC?
That would be weird
chilly mural
is that splat tim?
white phoenix
I wonder what resolution it's running it on
chilly mural
fresh bane
As I understand it that suggests it’s more powerful than the Steam Deck, as I th...
big if true
mossy flume
That would be weird
I guess that would sorta make sense actually. Valve can’t really sell the Deck at a loss but Nintendo can sell their hardware at a loss.
river veldt
As I understand it that suggests it’s more powerful than the Steam Deck, as I th...
whoa
rose rose
But it is much easier to use on the Deck than anything else and Valve has a monopoly anyway
chilly mural
I'm getting a steam deck tomorrow
rose rose
The same way it does for Nintendo, presumably
I don't know what you mean by that
30% is 30%
mossy flume
Wouldn’t Nintendo make more out of software sales though? They actually make games.
rose rose
Valve is nominally a game company
It's true that Nintendo will keep more money on the games it publishes, and almost all of it on the games it develops (though then it has to cover those costs too)
But Microsoft doesn't make very many games and also sells at a loss
Valve receives 30% of money made by the entire PC gaming industry
mossy flume
Hm, seems nobody is actually sure if Deck is being sold at a loss or not. But generally assuming this is probably the case.
Having looked it up
mossy flume
Valve receives 30% of money made by _the entire PC gaming industry_
Yeah, that makes sense
rose rose
Valve is in almost the same position as Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo, but for PC games.
mossy flume
Aye
rose rose
(but with lower expenses because they generally do a lot less.)
For that matter how is Valve not a gatekeeper under the digital markets act
mossy flume
Pretty sure they are.
Pretty sure Valve is subject to a lot of potential antitrust issues, it’s just that nobody’s actually called them out on it
rose rose
I guess they're not big enough, despite essentially holding monopoly control over PC gaming. Or their size is somewhat masked by still being private.
mossy flume
Around $13B in revenue in 2022
Valuation of $7.7B in 2022
According to SignHouse I guess
rose rose
Which is a long, long way from enough
(I bet they'd be valued higher if they were public though)
white phoenix
I guess that would sorta make sense actually. Valve can’t really sell the Deck a...
I wonder if they're going to sell this at a loss considering the supposed power of this thing, it would almost seem miraculous if they somehow profit from every unit
steady skiff
mossy flume
Nintendo always sells their consoles at a loss
Profit point is typically 2 first party game sales
white phoenix
I thought the switch was one of the few consoles sold at a profit?
which is why they will never ever put their games on the PC, because they want people to buy their consoles too
rose rose
Wanting people to buy your consoles does not mean you sell your consoles at a profit
Once someone buys your several hundred dollar piece of hardware they're tied to you to supply games
And so you get that 30% on all the games they buy, even if you didn't have the game
mossy flume
Nintendo’s primary reason for never selling their games on PC is that PC makes piracy much easier. Further, they get to curate the experience and do things that PC typically can’t, like motion controls.
rose rose
(and, conversely, do not have to give it to Valve for the ones you do make)
mossy flume
It would also undermine a large part of their business model
It just doesn’t make sense for them to expand out of their own hardware unless their hardware starts failing, which it isn’t.
They tried mobile for a while and decided to abandon that market
Their official reasoning being that they don’t control the ecosystem as well as they would like
random steppe
Further, they get to curate the experience
I'm kinda gonna call bullshit on that, it's true theorically but from what I know the Nintendo Store on swich is pretty much full of shovelwere so I don't know if "curating the experience" is a good reason to cite
And I admit, I don't own a Switch, pretty much all of my info on this comes from this one video from Stephanie Sterling, but unless they did just lie about it, it should be factual.
I do think you are right on the money that it's easier to pirate stuff on PC, which i think might be the main reason
mossy flume
> Further, they get to curate the experience
I'm kinda gonna call bullshit on th...
In the context of their own games, not third parties
By curate the experience I mean they know what the hardware is going to do
And design around that
Instead of the fuzziness that is PC platforms
random steppe
Oh yeah, sure.
It's easier to develop when you know the specs
And as you said, you can do fancy things with controls, which sometimes is for the best, sometimes it's not
mossy flume
Or apply their own gimmicks to said hardware like motion controls and gyros and cameras and whatever
Thus curate the hardware experience
Their issue with shovelware is another matter
rose rose
It may or may not be the best but either way it's certainly what they wanted to make so 
random steppe
I don't buy that curating the experience is a priority when their store esperience is a mess.
But that's just me personally
mossy flume
People complained about Nintendo’s ecosystem being too hard to get into.
So they loosened it up.
Now it’s swamped with crap.
rose rose
I think "curate the experience" is a poor choice of words.
random steppe
Unless the fact that the store is a mess is just something they are not competent enough to fix, which in that case, fair enough
rose rose
But they certainly want to design a set of hardware capabilities and then make games that specifically use those capabilities
mossy flume
But they certainly want to design a set of hardware capabilities and then make g...
I’m pretty sure that’s what that phrase very obviously means in this context but okay
random steppe
And don't get me wrong, lest you think I like Steam, they aren't any better except that they are a bit better at discoverability
But the shovelwere that has no right to be on the store is there too
mossy flume
Yeah, I’m not impressed with the Switch’s OS
rose rose
I think you are the only person here talking about stores or distribution at all.
Nobody claims that Nintendo doesn't ship games on other platforms because then their games would then be adjacent to bad games.
Steam's take on shovelware is just one of absolute ambivalence - anyone can put anything on Steam without judgement. I don't really object to that, given probably nobody will ever find it anyway.
random steppe
Yeah my reason for talking about store experiences, is that when someone say about a company that they want to "give a better expeirence" and that's why they have their walled garden mentality, I can buy it only if that applies on their whole ecosystem.
For example I can totally buy it if you say this about Apple, with Nintendo I don't because the store is just a bad experience is my reasoning.
rose rose
(Nintendo's approach of actually sorting the shovelware to the top of the list is Bad and I would blame it on incompetence)
random steppe
Or it could be incompetence as you say
rose rose
Yeah my reason for talking about store experiences, is that when someone say abo...
I would disagree in that the group working on the store policies probably has absolutely no relationship with the group working on games or consoles.
random steppe
Yeah but if it was a priority of the company, it'd come from top down is my logic
rose rose
In practice any sufficiently large company's behaviour is not really going to be consistent across groups.
Even if they try really hard
random steppe
If it doesn't come from top down, it's not really a priority.
Fighting Emulation and piracy is a priority and you see pretty much ever branch of Nintendo working hard to discourage it for example
rose rose
Also the Switch store lives at the intersection of "online services" (which Nintendo is infamously bad at) and "making more money" (which Nintendo takes infamously bizarre approaches to)
mossy flume
Their approach seemingly being "if it makes too much money we'll cancel it" 
rose rose
Nintendo is generally quite bad at anything that isn't games. Or things to put games on.
random steppe
It might very well be that they are bad at it as you said, it's just not my first explanation when it comes to such a big company.
mossy flume
They're pretty reliably bad at it, which is weird as you suggest.
rose rose
I would absolutely buy that "the top" cares a lot about game quality and does not give any shits about store UX
rose rose
They're pretty reliably bad at it, which is weird as you suggest.
Well they aren't an online services company so it's not that bizarre
Car manufacturers are consistently bad at UX too
dire gate
Funny how Nintendo was arguably "the most strict company at quality control" at past, now the argument is "they don't care about what game goes on their store"
mossy flume
I'll be sad if Switch 2 doesn't bring back the cute system music and stuff from the GC/Wii/WiiU/DS/3DS eras :<
random steppe
It is pretty bizzare, you can like, hire people to do that job I heard.
rose rose
You can, and yet
mossy flume
I get the feeling they rarely hire anyone
Apparently their employee retention rate is like 98%
Turnover is very very very low
thorny loom
Yeah it is.
random steppe
I do hope they fired the guy that picked the Wii U name at least, we'll know when the next Switch comes out if it's not called Switch 2
dire gate
Switch V
river veldt
Apparently their employee retention rate is like 98%
holy hell
mossy flume
The nanosecond they announced the WiiU name I knew it was going to bomb
river veldt
is Nintendo just amazing to work for or something
mossy flume
For the reasons it bombed
dire gate
Cultural reasons.
random steppe
Yeah reportedly it's the one thing you can't really criticise them for.
They are very good with their employees
mossy flume
Turnover at Japanese companies is generally very very low
white phoenix
east asian work culture 
random steppe
Actually no, usually japanese companies griend their workers to dust
mossy flume
Well sure
random steppe
Nintendo is uncharacteristically good with their workers
random steppe
At least from what they report, they all say they love it there
dire gate
That Mario Wonder news about "no deadline" was surprising, in a good sense
mossy flume
Prime 4: No deadline
Metroid fans: 
dire gate
They probably had a concept of deadline
random steppe
As long as you have the right people directing it's not a problem
rose rose
Though in the case of Mario Wonder it was "no deadline until we figure out what the scope is", which is entirely reasonable
random steppe
Like, the problem with Star Citizen is not no deadline, it's unfettered scope creep
rose rose
If it had a deadline it wouldn't scope creep forever. And also would've shipped five years ago.
random steppe
A sane game director would make decision that would lead to the game eventually coming out
dire gate
Nintendo often does this weird "we eventually deliver, if we figure out that everything is aligned correctly"
i.e. Metroid Dread, Pikmin 4
rose rose
Those didn't have no deadline once they started, they just took a very long time to decide to start.
dire gate
Reason why F-Zero fans are still coping
random steppe
And arguably, the problem IMO is also that they make too much money by not releasing the game and selling the vision.
it might very well be that the director is doing the right thing for the company financial health by not releasing a game with mechanics and limitations that can be reviewed but selling the dream of the game in which you can do anything instead, with thousand of dollars a ship
mossy flume
Though in the case of Mario Wonder it was "no deadline until we figure out what ...
Based on what I’ve heard and read from interviews of former Nintendo employees, my understanding is that this is the M.O. for Nintendo games in general. Which would help to explain their dev timelines and generally consistent appeal.
rose rose
I would also argue that infinite money is generally not good for companies.
random steppe
I think Star Cirizen will never come out, and if it does, it will be a half finished mess and it's exactly the moment the project will die
dire gate
I would also argue that infinite money is generally not good for companies.
I'm watching you, Pokemon Company. YES, YOU
mossy flume
Nintendo often does this weird "we *eventually* deliver, if we figure out that e...
Honestly I think this is the right approach to gamedev*
*uninformed opinion of an inexperienced outsider
rose rose
(I say this, of course, as an employee of a company with functionally infinite money.)
mossy flume
But basically once you have your groundwork done and a solid idea for the whole thing then you start having timetables and deadlines
dire gate
Nintendo is good at making people cope
sacred grove
It really depends on the circumstances probably. If you're under a big publisher, some of them might not give much leeway for taking your time to "eventually deliver"
mossy flume
What we’ve learned during the Switch era is that Nintendo apparently also holds the strategy of sometimes holding finished projects on hand to help them maintain a steady release schedule when they have drier periods of productivity.
Such as the allegation that they had been sitting on Prime Remastered for a year or two
It would kinda make sense if that’s true, it would be a way to keep the blood pumping on their platform in regards to first and second party titles.
rancid herald
honestly, it makes sense
sacred grove
I think Star Cirizen will never come out, and if it does, it will be a half fini...
I asked Bing for a few space titles that were released since 2011, which according to Wikipedia is when Star Citizen began production
And of course you can add Starfield to the list
mossy flume
Star Citizen is a disaster of unfocused development, scope creep, infinite money, and no deadlines. It's not going anywhere.
sacred grove
it's not going anywhere
This can be read in two different ways, lol
mossy flume
They rewrote the engine four or five times.
Heh
They'll probably run out of money before they finish.
white phoenix
which will come out first? star citizen, half life 3, or elder scrolls 6?
sacred grove
The latter two are far more likely