general gaming

[dense crypt]

HOW DID I MISS THIS

Bipedal war machine loves UNITE

WE ARE FEASTING

[green fulcrum]

Is this the original Sims?

[gaunt marten]

SimCity

Sims 1 is much prettier

[teal cliff]

I wonder how that sims competitor coming out next year is going to be

[gaunt marten]

Pictured, Bob Newbie eating.

[teal cliff]

I admit I've never considered "Simslike" to be a genre

[minor plover]

I played a round of that a few months back. Built a metropolis really fast, and then a megalopolis that triggered the "contact the game devs with your epic save" message which is just a crackup.

[teal cliff]

have we seen a third party try to directly make a sims game competitor before? I feel like we must have bc the franchise has been big for a while but I can't think of one

[river veldt]

does this one have the Mario statue and the Bowser attack

[unreal idol]

Kinda sorta, it's the SNES version of SimCity, which is basically the first in the Sims franchise (first came out on DOS I think)

[unreal idol]

Getting a Megalopolis is hard, I've only done it once, but Metropolis is pretty easy

[unreal idol]

yes

[river veldt]

that's so cool

[minor plover]

megalopolis isn't too bad if you have zero water and disasters off, and then basically build a city that's rings with all the industrial on the outer edges and then commercial as a pollution buffer, and residential in the center where property values will be highest. You have to kinda pre-plan it to build it from nothing though.

[unreal idol]

yeah I dont like to prelan super hard

it's too "clinical" of a way to play the game for me, fi that makes any sense

[teal cliff]

this offer is still open ^^

[wintry canopy]

I dueled against a salamangreat deck. I'm just wondering what they were thinking, I got Sheou out and set torrential tribute turn one.

[teal cliff]

well I beat Exoprimal

[dense crypt]

you BEAT exoprimal? i thought that was just a perma-online PVP hero shooter

[teal cliff]

It has a main campaign.

The cutscenes and storyline progreess by you playing online matches, as you progress the story you unlock more maps/modes/match types.

[teal cliff]

It's also only kind of a pvp game.

Basically the way the game works is that your squad fights against dinosaurs to complete objectives
In "PVP Mode", the final objectives of both squads take place in the same area and you can hit eachother
In "PVE Mode", it's still a race but you can no longer ever directly attack the enemy squad
In either mode, you will sometimes get sucked through time and space to get put in a special mission where both squads work together

[dense crypt]

man i thought we were fucking past all that shit

Brink and Titanfall 1 were not given points for doing that

[teal cliff]

I can't think of any other way you'd progress the main story in an online only game

[dense crypt]

why does it even have a main story

game like that shouldn't have one if its gonna require you to play online matches. do you have to win in order to progress?

[teal cliff]

no

and it has a main story bc the devs wanted to give it a story? I don't think it having cutscenes you unlock by playing matches is really that bad of an idea

it gives a narrative reason at least to why you unlock more match types as you progress, too

[dense crypt]

Brink and Titanfall made the mistake of having to win matches to progress and since exoprimal requires you to play matches to progress its easy for me to doubt that the developers would have learned from those mistakes

those games are rather old though and i dont recall any other game doing that since then

[teal cliff]

I think with Titanfall the problem was the online campaign vs an actual campaign

I don't think Exoprimal was ever going to have a regular campaign so this is the only way to get the narrative across

also there's really no difference between new missions being gated behind playing matches to unlock cutscenes and new missions being gated behind, say, player level
at least in practice.

either way its just play more matches to unlock the missions.

[dense crypt]

better than anything else at least

PVE is there and it's two teams so the chances of failure are at least a lot slimmer

[harsh kestrel]

At least it had that unlike Overwatch 2 lol

[teal cliff]

:<

I'm not sure an OW campaign would have been even worth playing at this point, the blackwatch pve missions were kind abad

[harsh kestrel]

Yeah, they're so desperate at this point that they're trying to bring it to Steam, and yet they still want you to make a Battlenet account even though you're downloading it on Steam, and it's like

[teal cliff]

They're not alone in that regard at least. Ubisoft

EA too wtih the stupid EA play app

[harsh kestrel]

Yeah, even though I downloaded Uno on Steam, I still have to put in my Ubisoft Connect info, and while I don't personally mind that, what gets on my nerves the most is not being able to connect to a game half the time, having at least one failed join in before being able to join in. I had a friend from another country that was hosting a game, there was sessions where I wouldn't be able to get into the game 10 or more times before I finally got in there. Not to mention the game has straight up broke in some goofy ways on a couple occasions

[teal cliff]

I wouldn't mind as much either if ubisoft connect didn't suck

thats why I don't mind playing my games through the xbox store for gamepass

it usually works

[harsh kestrel]

The games on the platform, especially when they're on sale, in my opinion, worth it. I mean, Far Cry 6 has been alright, The Crew Motorfest looks like it could be decent, and then XDefiant, it's gonna scratch a good itch for people like me waiting for new blood to come into the FPS game space

[teal cliff]

Xbox is where I played Hades and Exoprimal

[harsh kestrel]

I played the XDefiant beta and had fun with it

[teal cliff]

I'm not sure what that is unfortunately.

[minor plover]

so my wife is playing another Dark Souls character, and this one is Robyne Loxley (Robin Hood) -- like 90% archery and 10% thrusting sword. And this is actually a really absurdly effective character. Certain fights are really difficult, but some areas that are really hard if you're playing a heavy melee character or something are really easy when you're like shooted from across the world

[visual hill]

Switch emulation users: Hold my yuzu.

(this actually opens the door to RDR emulation on mobile, as only Switch can be emulated on mobile so far)

reaching a high FPS on PC may also be easier with Switch emulation compared to X360 (let alone PS3)

I wonder if any textures/models will be downgraded on Switch compared to the X360 version though

[thorny loom]

Apparently the only thing being changed is the addition of languages

[thorny loom]

Doubtful. Even the switch is more powerful than the 360 at this point

[visual hill]

cartridge size may be a problem, Switch cartridges are always 8 GB IIRC

I don't know if digital-only releases have to abide by this, but my guess is that there are still stricter size concerns in place than on any other current-gen console

cartridge size is the #1 reason why prerendered videos on the Switch look bad

[static bluff]

What's this?

[static bluff]

I tried and failed. It's too hard for me.

[grim stirrup]

i believe in you croco

[teal cliff]

https://youtu.be/kslU9ZGAGxg

Oh apparently there's also this one

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1118520/Paralives/

Steam

Paralives

Paralives is an upcoming doll house life simulation indie game for PC and Mac. Build your dream house, create some characters and manage their lives the way you want inside their homes and all around an open world town!Dreaming of building your perfect house but need the right tools?No problem! Paralives comes with innovative tools to create gri...

Release Date

Coming soon

▶ Play video

[static bluff]

ooohhh paradox!

Dude how have I not heard about this until now!!

Oh my god I'm so excited!

Oh my they must have delayed it. The video said it'll be out next month. Steam says it'll be 6 months, haha

[gaunt marten]

Same. We'll finally find out for good who makes more DLC

EA or Paradox

[teal cliff]

lmao

That is a good point.

Sims fans like "Someone else made a Sims game! We're finally free from DLC Hell!"

Paradox:

https://tenor.com/view/under-new-management-more-like-under-new-management-megamind-megamind-meme-jokez_da_joke-gif-19867663

[arctic fern]

Counterpoint: paradox dlc is actually worth the money
How many pointless stuff packs for the sims 4 is there?

[teal cliff]

okay Paradox isn't always worth the money

[arctic fern]

ok true, not every DLC is entierly worth it
but:

[teal cliff]

And the ones that are have the problem of like, if you don't buy them the game gets rebalanced around them and you still have to deal with their shit, you just can't utilize it yourself, which can feel rather rancid.

[arctic fern]

70 items
£700
just for the DLC
and thats with some of them on sale

[teal cliff]

yeah...

[quiet swift]

Depends on what you want for Sims. The more expensive stuff is like expansion pack stuff. Overpriced, sure, but it generally adds new mechanics and a new zone to visit/do stuff in. (imo an xpac for that price should include 2-3 such things)

[arctic fern]

this is HOIV:
19 items, £155

[teal cliff]

Paradox isn't great about DLC but EA is currently tunneling below hell to set the bar as low as possible

[arctic fern]

some of that is radio packs, some is just cosmetics

[quiet swift]

The 4.99 stuff is clothes/furniture/etc and that's of dubious worth

[teal cliff]

Buying all of the expansion packs is still rather expensive 😔

[arctic fern]

but the sims is, even with the big packs, horribly overpriced

[teal cliff]

Also the sims modding community is fucking weird

Don't worry, I fixed the way toddlers looked!
their fix: https://www.thesimsresource.com/scaled/3103/w-920h-690-3103483.jpg

[quiet swift]

oh i'm not saying the contrary, i agree it's overpriced. But "worth it" in the sense of what it adds, I'd say the xpacs do bring a lot to the table. Worth 30-40$? Nah, would need to be twice as much stuff at least

The clothes/furniture/etc packs are def not worth it

For paradox, Crusader kings 2

[arctic fern]

ok, so uh i just checked cities skylines and, well:
62 items, most of which are radio or creator packs
which are, in my opinion better than sims packs because they usually have more stuff and are made by community members who make free stuff
also half the price for everything with nothing currently on sale

[teal cliff]

christ above

[quiet swift]

(i didn't screen everything, the crusader kings 2 is 32 items)

[arctic fern]

so paradox is still coming out as better than EA

less well than i thought but still

[teal cliff]

xcom 2 was nice about DLC

WOTC is a little expensive for a DLC but it literally uh
Rebuilds the game's code base and basically makes it a new game, so

[quiet swift]

Who does the train game again?

If we're talking DLC madness

[teal cliff]

Train simulator?

[quiet swift]

Yeah

[teal cliff]

HOLY SHIT

Dovetail Games, apparently

You know, the funny part is

[gaunt marten]

The difference is you're only meant to pick a bunch of them to play with

[teal cliff]

2000$ for all the game's content is still better than the average gacha game.

[arctic fern]

theres someone in this server who spent $14000 on fortnite

[gaunt marten]

Whereas in games like Sims or something your experience is improved by each and every one

[teal cliff]

I'm being serious, even a game with thousands of dollars in DLC, like
Spending thousands on the average gacha game will not net you even close to everything

[arctic fern]

this is why gambling games like that are bad

[teal cliff]

so at least with these games you actually get the things you buy

[teal cliff]

Yeah. It's why I refuse to play gachas anymore, they are extremely expensive gambling habits with mediocre video games attached.

The only unfortunate part is that I really like games with large rosters, and gacha games tend to do that better than any regular game, but w/e I'll just wait for more regular games with lots of characters.

[arctic fern]

they're designed to scratch that kind of itch

[teal cliff]

I feel like recent RPGs have not given us the amount of party members they should

[dire gate]

hehe gambling fun

[teal cliff]

I guess Fire Emblem Engage had a lot of units but it went about it in literally the stupidest way possible

By distributing them by the main story so that you get some of them literally on the last mission and then NOT HAVING NEW GAME PLUS

[dire gate]

You consider FE as an RPG game?

[teal cliff]

FE is a Strategy RPG

or a tactical RPG

they mean the same thing

"SRPG" is the acronym often used for the genre in my experience though

SRPGs are prety rpg-like, they're basically just like, turn based rpgs played on a grid

Often with more units than the typical JRPG but not always.

[dire gate]

I see the concept of party a little different in SRPGs

So the 'party member' argument I think works a little different there

[teal cliff]

I mean it is a little different but not by that much

[teal cliff]

oh damn

Stray Gods comes out in two days

and Goodbye Volcano High, the best game of all time I am sure, will release later this month

[uneven epoch]

fe3h is nice

i like that game

[teal cliff]

It is very good

one of my favourites of all time.

Three Hopes is also very good

I don't usually do musou games but Hopes was like, the perfect mix of FE mechanics and Dynasty Warriors combat

and the writing was really good, it was just 3 Houses but gayer

[astral steeple]

https://twitter.com/FortniteGame/status/1688914416962871297

Fortnite (@FortniteGame)

Now approaching the island, from a whole other Universe…

Likes

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Twitter · Aug 8, 2023, 2:05 PM

[teal cliff]

The WWE crossover I assume?

[astral steeple]

Yeah

[thorny loom]

Yeah it got leaked

John cena was in fortnite already so no surprise

[astral steeple]

Not even 5 hours after the kaisen collab they're already announcing the next one lol

[thorny loom]

They have enough money to basically collab with anyone.

[astral steeple]

Yeah lol

[thorny loom]

Probably sides nintendo or mainline disney characters

[astral steeple]

Pretty much yeah

Jack sparrow would be pretty sick as a skin

[teal cliff]

It'd be funny if they collaborated with another wrestling company after

so we can get the AEW x WWE forbidden door in fucking fortnite

[astral steeple]

Yeah lol

I was hoping one of the new wwe skins would be alexa bliss though ngl

Though the two we're getting are pretty good

[teal cliff]

Alexa hasn't been big on TV for a while

Who were the mens' skins? I only saw Becky n Bianca

[astral steeple]

Afaik it's only Becky and Bianca that were leaked

Unless there's more that haven't been revealed yet

[teal cliff]

Ah okay.

I expect 2 mens skins and 2 womens

but maybe it will be just becky n bianca.

[astral steeple]

Based on them announcing/teasing it already im assuming they'll probably release tonight or tomorrow

[white phoenix]

Holy crap LBP is on this list

The dlc in that game was insane, but I didn't know it was that insane

[teal cliff]

yeah it had a shit ton of little crossover packs

[white phoenix]

The mgs pack was the bane of my childhood existence because it had the paintinator gun thing and I could never use it in create mode

And almost every item you collect online had some sort of dlc involved

[teal cliff]

I had that pack!

I remember always using the little Solid Snake head for my guy

I've always been attracted to one eyed character designs, call it projection

[white phoenix]

Man that series is just so good

It taught me stuff like logic gates a decade before i had to learn them in school

Not going to lie, I was extremely sad when they said they were shutting down lbp1 and 2 servers, just think of the levels lost

[teal cliff]

one eyed character design my beloved

[little badger]

https://twitter.com/saintsrow/status/1688937033119494144?

Saints Row (@SaintsRow)

The third expansion for Saints Row, A Song of Ice and Dust, is OUT NOW on all platforms

Are you ready for some hero bullshit?

Read all about it: https://t.co/0ZAjq9vC2B

Check out the trailer:

▶ Play video

Twitter · Aug 8, 2023, 3:35 PM

[teal cliff]

I also think that character design that incorporates chains is usually very cool

[thorny loom]

https://youtu.be/kUlcN6y4n90

[teal cliff]

ye we're talking about it in the Pokemon forum :3

[thorny loom]

Ah right

[thorny loom]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEUffI4nAIM

[harsh kestrel]

To answer your question, XDefiant is Ubisoft's upcoming FPS game where it has classes based off of Ubisoft game franchises like Libertad from Far Cry and Dedsec from Watch Dogs. All of them have class unique abilities and whatnot, and honestly, it's gonna be some good fresh content for the genre besides yet another COD

[rugged flax]

So this just launched on Kickstarter
the only way I can think to describe it is
"Catan with nukes"
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/mediumbrowgames/farms-race

[teal cliff]

lmao

[teal cliff]

I see, intresting. is it coming to gamepass?

[white phoenix]

I think it's free to play

a bunch of cod people were praising it

[quiet swift]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2083160/Disfigure/ Neat vamp survivors style game, for free. Pretty well rated

Steam

Disfigure

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2497100/DISFIGURE__DONATION/Join the Discord Server! https://discord.gg/hX3t4bCVMqGameplayIn an arena shrouded by darkness, pay keen attention to your surroundings where monsters could be lurking. Choose between circle and cone vision: one allows you to see all around but not far, while the latter allows you to...

▶ Play video

(with a 5$ dlc that's just there to donate to the dev)

[thorny loom]

https://vxtwitter.com/callofduty/status/1688263801253101568?s=46&t=bVzXPIZvXYyJJoEkCfgMsQ

scrolls through book of ideas. Add one of those virtual ai voices like in halo that’ll sell.

[teal cliff]

Interesting.

[green fulcrum]

This feels...oddly inappropriate, especially the "awwwww yeeeeeah" as you're firing bullets from her into enemies, lol.

Plus, it'll get annoying very fast.

[white phoenix]

and for some reason I can see it getting a ton of money

[wind stump]

closest thing most CoD players are going to get to a real woman

[white phoenix]

you know, during the pandemic, twitch and streaming really showed just how big cod's reach was due to all the sports athletes who started streaming warzone
anyone from middle aged dads to famous athletes play cod regularly

and I find that fascinating for some reason

cause yet for some reason, a large vocal part of the playerbase is like, 12-20 year old kids who want nothing more than to get sick clips and skins, and then on the other complete opposite spectrum, is people who would rather prefer a game more grounded in reality with milsim operators

when developing a cod game, you really can't win lol

[slim thorn]

you do have to wonder if the second group even looked for actual milsim games lol

[white phoenix]

they want the style without any of the substance

ain't nobody got the time to actually play arma 3 amirite

[teal cliff]

Call of Duty at least has one of the more respectable esports scenes.

As someone who organizes tournaments and used to be a community manager of an esports club, I never had any issues at a CoD event.

[white phoenix]

you can see this divide on the mw3 reveal trailer right now, there's a comment who wants a grounded milsim like experience, and then others were complaining about season passes, and how mw2 was supposed to be a two year game

[white phoenix]

Hey, that's actually pretty cool

They hosted two majors in Toronto close to where I am and seeing that happen there was really cool to see

[teal cliff]

Though I do remember one guy getting like, really upset when he walked into the room and saw KBMs set up because he played on a controller and he basically started throwing a fit until I informed him he can just... ask for a controller, we have both lmao.

The KBMs were mostly sitting there from the last game that was played.

[white phoenix]

yeah for some reason the cdl all uses controllers

[teal cliff]

Though we did only have xbox controllers and that was something that some people were upset by.

Wasn't really up to us though, we had equipment sponsorships; Logitech keyboards/mice and Xbox's newer controllers

I never understood how those only applied to certain games, admittedly.

Like, for CoD, you don't bring your own controller, you're not allowed to, you have to use what we have

For fighting games, no controllers are provided by default, eveyone was expected to bring their own stick or gamepad

I guess the equipment sponsorships only applied to certain games.

[white phoenix]

I see esports pros bring in their own KBMs at League or CS tournaments all the time

[teal cliff]

That's normal for professional tournaments afaik.

As far as events I helped host;

CoD, Hearthstone, League of Legends, and Rainbow 6 Siege were all basically fine

Overwatch had a few problems with the crowds but the players were always fine

Physical games like Warhammer 40k and Magic the Gathering always brought the worst people

I never want to try to organize anything for 40k or MTG players ever again.

[white phoenix]

oh god, that sounds like hell to coordinate

[teal cliff]

It literally got to a point where the poor bastards helping me out were like "Hey Justice someone's hating women again"

[white phoenix]

What do you even do at that point?

[teal cliff]

kick them out

which was my job specifically

Well, not my only job to be clear, but anyone who needed to be kicked out was by me

We had cameras too, of course, so it's like

"My opponent said something horrible"
"No I didn't."
Me: "Ok, lemme check what happened."
Person claiming they didn't becomes visibly worried

Like we record these for broadcast you're being filmed from like 30 angles and there are always multiple active microphones in range of each table.

I am getting flashbacks to when a guy yelled the hard R at his opponent for... scooping. His opponent surrendered, and this guy got so mad that he just yelled a racial slur.

[white phoenix]

...whew

On a physical game too, right?

Makes you wonder how they behave in other things

[teal cliff]

Yes, it was Magic the Gathering that time.

So obviously this guy was banned and his opponent got to move on, for losing, lol

[white phoenix]

wonder why its the physical games that bring this kind of crowd in and not the video games that you play in front of a screen instead of an actual human

[teal cliff]

For Magic, I have no idea

For Warhammer, the game has a longstanding issue with bigotry in it's community.

Magic probably has the same but I think Warhammer's is different because it is rooted in the actual game.

[white phoenix]

I guess that makes sense, considering that other games like War Thunder and HOI4 have similar issues

[graceful bridge]

Ohfuck

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/08/valve-starts-selling-refurbished-steam-decks-for-up-to-130-less-than-new-models/

[mossy flume]

Nice discount

[teal cliff]

Yeah it is similar for those.

[mossy flume]

IMO Steam Deck is already a great value proposition

[teal cliff]

I think with MTG it might just be that it's an older game and those tend to have more "Good ole days" players.

[mossy flume]

A $130 discount is attractive

(Also IMO it’s worth replacing the SSD with the biggest one you can buy for it)

[white phoenix]

I keep telling myself that I don't need a deck because I play all my games on my pc already

but... I want

[fickle garnet]

I also want a steam deck

[teal cliff]

I personally don't have a need for one

I don't really play games like, away from home.

[mossy flume]

I like the Deck because I can just play it anywhere. Useful for playing in bed.

[white phoenix]

Yeah me neither, but it would be nice to have one...

[white phoenix]

Exactly, sometimes you just want to get out of your room and play games on the couch

[teal cliff]

I don't tend to do that personally, it's kind of weird. If I want to play a game I feel most comfortable at like, a dedicated gaming spot

Like a nicely set up desk

If I'm on my couch I'm usually relaxing and watching television or something.

Though my switch's handheld mode was great for 1 thing; I played a lot of games while on the treadmill

Fire Emblem Three Hopes helped me lose 25 pounds i swear lol

[white phoenix]

damn, that's great!

for me, although my pc is very well cooled, after a few hours the room still gets unbearably hot sometimes, so I have to cool off by getting out for a bit

[teal cliff]

I just keep the AC in my apartment on like 60

I am absolutely chillin in the most literal sense

[river veldt]

yippee Papers, Please is 10 years old today

https://twitter.com/dukope/status/1688957789639778304?s=46

Lucas Pope (@dukope)

"Papers, Please" is 10 years old today! Hell of a time slip.

Thank you to everyone that's supported me and my games over the last decade.

• $1.99 sale, all platforms
• Goods + soundtrack
• Donation to https://t.co/CkHb6cGi5u
• New de-make: LCD, Please

https://t.co/xBO2oPXQdT

Likes

9464

Retweets

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Twitter · Aug 8, 2023, 4:58 PM

such a good game

[gaunt marten]

Agreed

[arctic fern]

oh wow, 10 years?

[white phoenix]

so many things are like a decade old these days that it doesn't even faze me anymore

[teal sonnet]

holy fuck.......

I remember clear as day when this game came out

[astral steeple]

https://twitter.com/Dexerto/status/1689050103204487168

Dexerto (@Dexerto)

Take-Two’s CEO, Strauss Zelnick, stated that $50 is “commercially accurate” for Red Dead Redemption’s port

Twitter · Aug 8, 2023, 11:05 PM

[teal cliff]

same guy who thinks like 30$ in GTA online money is worth almost nothing in-game?

shocker

[white phoenix]

and you can literally get it on xbox for way cheaper

[astral steeple]

https://kotaku.com/street-fighter-6-tmnt-mutant-mayhem-sf6-skins-1850718316

[thorny loom]

Yeah.. If rockstar just had ported it to PC also. None of this backlash would he happening

[white phoenix]

selling a port of a 10 year old game at that price is still a highway robbery

[rose rose]

I guess we will see if people buy it

If they do, he was right. Otherwise he was not.

[white phoenix]

gta v was sold for 60 for years, so I wouldn't be surprised

[fresh bane]

People will buy it, they can't help themselves

[dire gate]

Nothing is impossible if Pokemon SV can sell 10m in 3 days

[teal cliff]

man.

I wanna play some Guilty Gear Strive but like

its so hard to find a fair match

[thorny loom]

https://www.gamesradar.com/nintendo-has-filed-over-30-tears-of-the-kingdom-patents-registering-things-you-wouldnt-even-notice-in-the-game/

[fresh bane]

they patented Riju's lightning attack?

well, she is best girl

[dire gate]

It's funny how they say "Nintendo doesn't want people to copy TotK" because they patented bunch of stuff

They have million different patents which they barely even use to sue people

aka they are not Konami

[fresh bane]

Konami uses their patents to bully and sue the fuck out of anything that produces a shadow

Nintendo sits on them, doesn't do anything with them, and then gets mad and demonizes fans when people try to look for alternatives when they don't provide

[dire gate]

I don't think their patents work like that

Patent and IP are different

Nintendo tends to protect their IPs, not patents

[fresh bane]

I'm making a goof about Nintendo in general, just joshing

Still, I do think it's a comical amount of patents

[dire gate]

Well patents are very specific

[fresh bane]

I mean they patented... loading screens

[dire gate]

It's like "this patent is about how we always display the company logo at this very specific pixel"

Patent is one of the things I think Nintendo is objectively dealing very well

[rose rose]

In the case of loading screens, the patent is apparently on the character blinking out at one point on the map and back in at another, and how that's handled.

Or so goes the summary on the news site. I'm not actually allowed to read parents.

[fresh bane]

https://automaton-media.com/en/news/20230808-20590/

well the original article that gamesradar seems to have ripped off (?) does go a bit more in depth about it

[rose rose]

(Wilful patent infringement is triple damages, and the best way to ensure you don't wilfully infringe on a patent is to have no knowledge of any patents. So I'm not allowed to have knowledge of any patents.)

[dire gate]

The thing about patent is that if you don't register it, someone can copy and then register their own patent

Which can be significantly worse

[rose rose]

This isn't true - prior art invalidates a patent.

[dire gate]

I mean

with certain amount of edit

for sure

[rose rose]

And prior art just requires an example to be pointed at - it does not have to be registered

[dire gate]

Not blatant copy

[rose rose]

Okay, but your patent has to be specific too

Patents do not have any protective value in that sense.

[fresh bane]

amongst the things they patented, one of them is precisely how Nintendo devs have done the calculations for how movement is transfered to Link from whichever object he's standing on top of when in movement
they also patented Link being unable to lift objects he's standing on top of with Ultrahand?

yeah these are extremely oddly specific

[dire gate]

It's not oddly specific, patents are supposed to be that specific

[rose rose]

Patents are always very specific, because only specific things are patentable

It has to be a specific invention

[fresh bane]

Oh I know, I guess what I meant to say maybe is that I find it weird that only now those things are being patented I guess

I mean, a lot of these don't really seem super unique to TOTK

but I guess Nintendo got to it first

[dire gate]

Nintendo is known to have some serious patents and letting companies to use those unless they willfully try to claim those as theirs

[rose rose]

If the patents are valid, they are for things that were never done before in that specific way

So I guess it's not come up before.

[dire gate]

And afaik there was one company who challenged that

[rose rose]

Or the patent office didn't find any prior art and if they ever try to enforce them the entity they enforce against might go digging and find some

The patent office does put out calls for prior art, too

Patents often take years to go through

(there is a very large difference between filing for a patent and being granted one, and they can always be retroactively ungranted if something was missed)

Though I think you don't generally have to repay license fees you collected on patents that were later invalidated, so you can still come out ahead on that.

[dire gate]

I have to admit I messed up when I talked about wrongful patent claiming after a prior art, but I can tell that Nintendo is definitely a company which will always try to earn their legal high ground

I don't think they really actively want legal disputes, but they want to be very safe

[rose rose]

Sounds plausible.

[fresh bane]

Didn't they almost lose their rights to some IP once and that's why they became so insanely protective of their stuff?

[rose rose]

Defensive patents are a thing, but in a different sense - you accumulate patents, but do nothing with them until someone sues you for patent infringement. Then you counter-sue them for your patents that they infringed.

Patent deterrence

[rose rose]

Indeed, though it wasn't specifically a patent issue

[dire gate]

afaik Nintendo has not filed a single patent infringement lawsuit (they have been sued for a few times with their consoles) except one known case, which was a whole mess

There may be some I've missed

Conclusion; what does Nintendo registering bunch of TotK-related patents mean? Practically nothing special.

[visual hill]

did they patent dynamic framerate

[dense crypt]

Been playing Tiny Tina's Wonderlands and it has probably my favorite endgame pit of all of them

I enjoy a good action packed roguelike

[proud warren]

can't say I've heard a borderlands game be called a roguelike before

[slim thorn]

my understanding was that every sufficiently large software company maintains a patent "war chest" like this, if only to defend themselves against the cottage industry of "patent trolls"

it makes for amusing headlines, but ultimately this is just companies making the best of a very outdated system

[gaunt marten]

And that's why "don't use anything we haven't developed" might at first sound reasonable

[rare dew]

The thing I love about Tiny Tina is, she's basically a walking Internet shitpost

She makes me chuckle

[harsh kestrel]

At least for once, it's not going after someone for a ridiculous reason

[eager wedge]

I am quite enjoying cosmoteer, especially now that there is finally a resource management aspect to it

[teal cliff]

I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna play Anthem

[mossy flume]

Didn’t Anthem’s servers shut down?

[teal cliff]

no

[teal cliff]

game's dead but the servers are up

[quiet swift]

No more development or support, just the servers being kept on

[thorny loom]

Yeah. So it’s basically a dead game walking

Same thing as marvels avengers.

[little badger]

https://twitter.com/thqnordic/status/1689319167739011099?

THQ Nordic Digital Showcase 📺 Aug 11 @ 9 PM CEST (@THQNordic)

Our THQ Nordic Digital Showcase 2023 is happening on August 11 – that’s two days from now!

Learn more: https://t.co/btkbLxjG20

The stream is starting at 9 PM CEST and we’ve created this handy guide for you so you don’t have to google your own time zone.

#THQNordic2023

Twitter · Aug 9, 2023, 4:54 PM

[mossy flume]

TIL that THQ still exists despite going bankrupt years ago

[thorny loom]

Thats thq nordic. They bought the name from them when they went bankrupt

They are part of the embracer conglomerate

[teal cliff]

Okay but didn't the Avengers servers actually get taken down?

[little badger]

Nope. Just no more support for the game.

[rose rose]

Avengers was always weird in that, for a live service game, the servers did almost nothing anyway

Gameplay was local, saves were local

Probably relatively cheap to keep them going enough for the game to still function

[little badger]

And they made almost all cosmetics free but you can earn them.

[teal cliff]

The core gameplay for Avengers was actually pretty alright

I think it being a live service game was completely unnecessary

[thorny loom]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cu4g743ONoo

[harsh kestrel]

All I'm interested in with THQ Nordic is any Spongebob related titles, and I don't think we'd be getting one this soon after Cosmic Shake lol

[gaunt marten]

https://i.imgur.com/N7382Na.png

I had to finish a long quest for this game

And at the end, this place discounted all their drinks by 1

[visual hill]

TrevorGPT

[astral steeple]

https://twitter.com/Minecraft/status/1689329197804822528

Minecraft (@Minecraft)

Minecraft is proud to support and uplift the LGBTQIA+ communities!

Join us and show your pride with over 40+ free character creator items available now.

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Twitter · Aug 9, 2023, 5:34 PM

based minecraft

[teal cliff]

Notch malding

die mad about it

[fresh bane]

https://vxtwitter.com/UdonEnt/status/1688990745380917250

https://tenor.com/view/dark-stalkers-anime-leilei-hsienko-cute-gif-18736262

bless Udon 🙏

I don't even know if their comics of Street Fighter or Darkstalkers are good at all but the guest artists for their covers always do an amazing job

at least someone still remembers Darkstalkers exists, Capcom

[gaunt marten]

Oh I thought that was AI art

[fresh bane]

You'll sooner catch me dead than ever knowingly posting AI art

unless it's to make fun of it

[gaunt marten]

Yeah she just has weird hands

[fresh bane]

they're pretty detailed and the artist kind of only left the linework around the shape of the hands so it looks like the usual AI image blending/wax stuff that a lot of generated images have

But I know it's not AI because the artist is Panzer who works for Udon as an illustrator

he's actually really damn good

[quiet swift]

https://www.eurogamer.net/baldurs-gate-3-developer-demands-full-list-of-uncredited-translation-staff-immediately

Seems like one company out of all those hired to do localization only credited leads and execs instead of the actual workers

All other companies had full list. Larian's demanded the full credits and will patch it in

[mossy flume]

Still waiting on a patch for Metroid Prime Remastered to list everyone who worked on it.

I do hear that it has become increasingly common for devs who worked on games to be left out of the credits for often petty reasons in recent years

I’ve heard about some people who were hired to do a thing, did the thing they were hired to do, and then left and were only with the company for several months but were left out despite their work being used because they were there for less than 50% of the total development time of the project, for example.

[slim thorn]

it's such a weird thing to be petty about considering the credits are already so long nobody could possibly read or remember even a fraction of the names

I feel like in many cases it's more likely to be simple oversights, or policies like what you just said which probably seem reasonable in other contexts

[green fulcrum]

cough Minecraft cough

[mossy flume]

The policies vary from company to company but I’ve heard a bunch of them require you to be still with the studio when the game releases or have worked on it for 50 or 80% of the dev time or things like that

Which is really dumb

[rare dew]

I admit I never even watch the credits of movies

unless I have a hunch who a specific character was played by, and want to check

[slim thorn]

I usually watch if there's more to it than just a list of names

[rare dew]

Doesn't mean I don't appreciate all the hard work that goes into a game or movie

[mossy flume]

Personally I’d be like… if anything you did ends up in the final game then you get a credit

Because that seems rather obvious

[green fulcrum]

[rare dew]

That is how it should be, yes

[quiet swift]

I mean, I have 0 dev work yet i still get put in some EA games credits because I work here

[mossy flume]

Tech support!

It works

[slim thorn]

as a vague ethical statement I agree, but taking literally that criterion would likely exclude concept artists and anyone else whose work technically didn't make the final cut

[mossy flume]

Right

[slim thorn]

just getting an exhaustive list of people who "worked on X" is really hard at these scales

I'd only be worried if there was some reason to think an exclusion was intentional

[quiet swift]

"Examples where staff have been left out of the credits in video games have frequently hit the headlines, and recently included translators who worked on the Persona 3 and 4 remasters, as well as staff missing from the credits of Callisto Protocol."

[quiet swift]

But I don't even do tech support for any of those games except one

[slim thorn]

translations makes sense because there's almost always a 3rd party involved

[teal cliff]

I am playing Anthem now!

[mossy flume]

Yeah I can see how that can happen, easily

Third party probably just didn’t provide a full list

[quiet swift]

MA: just providing exces and leads seem to be a dick move though

[mossy flume]

Yeah, that is a dick move

Is that what happened? That’s lame

[fresh bane]

I watch a streamer who previously worked for many years as a QA on many videogames and I remember him talking about this exact same stuff and it could have been precisely due to the Metroid situation though I'd have to look it up

But essentially it's not exactly uncommon for this to happen, even if you put in a lot more than just 50% into a project

[mossy flume]

I’ve seen some commentary from former Retro devs who worked on Prime who were rather miffed about having their credits removed in the remaster

[fresh bane]

There's a lot of behind the scenes stuff that can lead to you just not getting credited at all, even just the fact that someone in a position higher than you just doesn't like you

[mossy flume]

Just removing everyone who didn’t work on the remaster specifically even though all that work is based on the original is a dick move.

[quiet swift]

https://twitter.com/MittoVac/status/1689190334973014016

Marc E.G. ☆⇾ 𝘎𝘢𝘮𝘦𝘴𝘤𝘰𝘮 (@MittoVac)

Translators for @baldursgate3 worked for 𝟯 𝘆𝗲𝗮𝗿𝘀 translating more than 𝟭 𝗺𝗶𝗹𝗹𝗶𝗼𝗻 𝘄𝗼𝗿𝗱𝘀 and @Altagram_Group only credited their execs & leads.

Let's be clear: this practice is always unethical, but here, like with Persona before, it's downright 𝗘𝗩𝗜𝗟.

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Twitter · Aug 9, 2023, 8:22 AM

[mossy flume]

Yeah, that’s total bullshit

At least the studio is getting it fixed

As mentioned it can be a logistical nightmare trying to get a comprehensive list, but yeah that’s just silly

[slim thorn]

yep, there's missing some dubious corner cases, and then there's not even trying

[mossy flume]

Well at least people seem to care more about this than they used to these days

[green fulcrum]

At least Larian is having none of that shit and is getting it fixed ASAP.

[slim thorn]

3 years might be half of my "career" as a fan translator

[quiet swift]

Apparently after the persona situation, there were some policy changes to help prevent that type of stuff, though these guys didn't get the memo?

[slim thorn]

though I wonder why Larian didn't notice before the release

(or did they, and the release was already set in stone, and it's taking this long to get it fixed?)

deciding what to play next is weirdly hard

[fresh bane]

https://youtu.be/HjfNMrpomYQ

found it

it's pretty much ''oh we outsourced to you and you helped with our game on QA but you're from a different studio and you're not working in our offices next to us? Oh well you don't really count we'll put your studio logo in there and call it a day''

or sometimes they don't even credit at all even

apparently in Rockstar it's a thing where, even if you worked on the game for all of its time in development, if you leave before the game ships out, they WILL cut you out of the credits, no matter how much time you put in the game

[random steppe]

I don't think it's much about the players reading the name, but more of being able to actually put a big game like BG3 in your resume.
if you aren't in the credits, a prospective employer might call bullshit on you

[thorny loom]

https://www.eurogamer.net/ea-closing-crysis-3-dead-space-2-and-dantes-inferno-servers-later-this-year?

[teal cliff]

I would personally put it on my resume anyways.

Just tell my employer I was not listed in the credits if asked.

I can prove I worked at that company during that time and probably can give names and dates of supervisors and whatnot

It's one thing to not list someone in the credits but it'd be a whole different tier of insanity to lie if someone called and asked if they worked there

Pretty sure that'd be outright illegal or something

[random steppe]

Yeah for sure, but it's still better if they put it up
And I have the feeling that now that Larion demanded it they'll give the full list

Like, if they ever want to get more work from one of the biggest companies that make games that require a massive amount of translation at least

[wintry canopy]

It took me so many attempts, but I finally won the duel to unlock them.

[thorny loom]

Cute

[mossy flume]

https://www.gameinformer.com/pokemon-presents/2023/08/08/pokemon-trading-card-game-and-pokemon-stadium-2-hit-nintendo-switch

[teal cliff]

I want to like guilty gear strive, I really do

but losing for five hours in a row... it is not fun

[visual hill]

I know someone who uses that character as their pfp, didn't know what it was from for years

[chilly mural]

https://twitter.com/TecFuzz/status/1687598973798752256 love me darkstalkers art

TECH_F (@TecFuzz)

https://t.co/Z3OcQsVR4K

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Twitter · Aug 4, 2023, 10:58 PM

[dire gate]

Lilith stop being annoying

[fresh bane]

reeeeeeeeeeeee

she's being annoying because Morrigan didn't pull up into the mcdonalds

[teal cliff]

This design goes hard

[river veldt]

https://vxtwitter.com/danintendude/status/1689486836929097730?s=46

[little badger]

https://twitter.com/thegameawards/status/1689670273862340609? @graceful bridge

The Game Awards (@thegameawards)

Veteran actor Keith David will take over for the late Lance Reddick as Zavala in Destiny.

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Twitter · Aug 10, 2023, 4:09 PM

[river veldt]

https://twitter.com/wario64/status/1689673018023321605?s=46

Wario64 (@Wario64)

Quake II remaster is up ($9.99)
US PSN https://t.co/oC7IYecUc4
US eShop https://t.co/BvsjjwmmEw
XBL https://t.co/Ql3sswYXXO

announcement should be coming in about 1 hour

-includes All-New Expansion “Call of the Machine”
-Quake II 64 is free
-Crossplay
-motion aiming on PS/S

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Twitter · Aug 10, 2023, 4:20 PM

[gaunt marten]

Quake II 64 is free?

Is it free with the purchase of the remaster or free free?

[thorny loom]

There was a port of quake 2 for the n64?

[river veldt]

free with purchase i think

[gaunt marten]

Aw

[river veldt]

idk maybe it's free

[gaunt marten]

Well I'm not paying ten dollars for quake but I might be tempted to try Quake II 64

[feral tulip]

https://youtu.be/9pPAMmFbZY4

[visual hill]

TRESPASSER!

also, yay for a free upgrade for existing PC owners. Bethesda is doing a great job with the id re-releases

splitscreen support also means it finally matches the Xbox 360 port of Quake 2 🙂

An increased tick rate ensures action is more responsive and hundreds of level and gameplay bugs have been fixed.
🔥

[river veldt]

did NIN do the soundtrack for Quake II as well

[visual hill]

no, Sonic Mayhem did, along with Bill Brown and a track from Rob Zombie of all things

[river veldt]

dies

[visual hill]

Quake II includes 4-player split-screen local multiplayer on all platforms, with 8 player split-screen available on Xbox Series X|S and PC.

8 player split-screen, that must be the experience

maybe on one of those 84" TVs, I guess

performance of that mode on Xbox Series S must also be something to behold

[mossy flume]

https://fxtwitter.com/matpiscatella/status/1689628817097408512

[feral tulip]

Godamn

[mossy flume]

That’s pretty crazy. I would’ve expected BG3 to be too much RPG for most people.

[feral tulip]

Yea same

[green fulcrum]

I swear, moving the release date up a month was THE best choice Larian could've ever made. They're now the undisputed kings of the genre (and Steam) for all of August, and GOTY contenders.

What even is a Starfield?

[visual hill]

yeah, Starfield will have a tough time for sure

anyway, let's give this a try on Proton…

the weapon switching is a ton faster, this is a huge change as weapon switching is super slow in the original game

FIREBLU can be one of your dogtags. Also, Minesweeper, SkiFree, and many others

yay, it defaults to the superior default key for crouching 😛

[river veldt]

omg fireblu my beloved

[visual hill]

this is so huge really, I'm blown away by the effort that went into this so far

Quake 1 was a pretty good rerelease, but this is even better

[little badger]

Is the game good cali?

[visual hill]

(funny as people tend to dislike Quake 2 compared to Quake 1, but still :P)

[little badger]

I’ve never played Quake. I’ve seen gameplay of it. What’s it like?

[visual hill]

making funny noises with the weapon wheel will never get old

(this is the new tutorial map, by the way. The Quake 1 re-release didn't have any tutorial)

[little badger]

Is this the remake?

[visual hill]

the quality of the weapon remodels is incredible too, they were reanimated from scratch so they don't have wobbly vertices anymore

also, you can crouch while airborne now! (Game changer, I know)

[little badger]

Cali does the game have difficulty settings. And it’s on game pass so I could get it.

[visual hill]

it is on Game Pass, and yes it does (including for the new bots)

[little badger]

New bots?

[visual hill]

deathmatch is great fun so far, netcode is better than in the Q1 rerelease. Also, look at that motion blur

yeah, there are bots for deathmatch if you want. You can use them in splitscreen too

[little badger]

So in a way it’s like doom?

[teal cliff]

The speed of Quake seems just insane

idk how people play that

and like, aim

[quiet swift]

Crack probably helps

[white phoenix]

quake's probably the granddaddy of all competitive multiplayer shooter games today

the term frag, the gamemodes, movement like rocket jumping and bhopping, machinimas, all came from this

[teal cliff]

Yeah it's just a little uh
difficult

[white phoenix]

yeah as a result people got really good at it

knowing how to bhop is basically required to get good, along with perfect aim

[visual hill]

Quake 2 is actually a slower-paced game than Quake 3, let alone Quake 1

bunnyhopping is nerfed, weapons fire slower, their projectiles move slower

weapon switching also took ages in the original game, but this re-release makes switching times similar to Quake 3

Quake 2 also has the weakest starting weapon, but it was buffed in this re-release

(I happen to be on a Discord with someone who worked on it, we're talking about it right now :P)

[minor plover]

one of the things that made me like Descent combat so much more than either DooM or Quake is that almost everything is a slowish projectile, so real-time dodging, and manipulating others' dodging patterns, was more important than just like precise rapid point-and-click to get a killshot off.

[teal cliff]

I just can't aim lol.

[visual hill]

yeah, you have plenty of time to dodge most rockets in Quake 2

good luck doing that in Quake 1 (and they deal slightly more damage there – though armor is more plentiful in that game, so that compensates)

[little badger]

Does health regen or health packs.

[visual hill]

health packs only

in singleplayer, you can pick up permanent 1% health bonuses called Adrenaline throughout the game

if you collect them all, you'll end up with a max HP of 130 or so

[little badger]

Ooooh

[visual hill]

it might be the first FPS to have such a mechanic added. RPG-lite element 🙂

[river veldt]

as it should be

[heady bridge]

What about Marathon, that came before Quake 2 right?

[visual hill]

oh right, I forgot

[visual hill]

to be fair, regenerating health has its place, I like how the modern Wolfenstein games do it with their 20% steps

it makes minor damage not something to worry about, but you still have to worry about taking lots of damage quickly

[slim thorn]

yeah, regenerating health is overused but it took off because it was a very good idea in certain games

[visual hill]

GTA V having health regen up to 50% also makes it a lot more palatable, no more getting stuck with 5 HP unless you suicide-heal

[river veldt]

dang i still gotta play the newer Wolfensteins

[visual hill]

(to be fair, I still do that in GTA V sometimes when I need 100 HP quickly)

[river veldt]

ive only played 3D

[visual hill]

"You will feel like a respawned person in just 30 seconds…" 🙂

throws grenade under feet and presses G to detonate it

[slim thorn]

yep, for almost any single-player combat game, non-regenerating health means that the "I have low health, what now?" action is something less fun than more combat, like backtracking to find another health pack or committing suicide just to heal, so I get why it's the default now

[river veldt]

idk the glory kill system is more interesting to me cause it keeps things fast and makes me want to engage with enemies more

[visual hill]

yeah it's a good system too

my point is, you can combine those mechanics together

[slim thorn]

indeed, given the way I just phrased the problem, heal-by-combat is almost the only good alternative

Metal Gear Rising is another example of that

[quiet swift]

I wonder if HL3 would stick with medkits/charging stations or go the regen route

[slim thorn]

it's also worth noting that the original Halo had a health bar underneath the regenerating shields, and health packs on its levels

[river veldt]

what did Alyx do

[slim thorn]

(and later Halos technically have a finite amount of unshielded health but it's no longer exposed to the player)

iirc Alyx had charging stations

[river veldt]

epic

did it make the pleasing noise

kssssh beep beep beep

[thorny loom]

sigh

[river veldt]

and then the HEV suit was like

BWAAAAAAAAM

[thorny loom]

Damn it @glad girder

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2383120/Garten_of_Banban_4/

Steam

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[river veldt]

[slim thorn]

it did make the noise, though Alyx's health stations were a little more... involved? than just press X to heal

[river veldt]

oh neat

[thorny loom]

He mentioned banban earlier in chat and now the 4th coincidently is out tomorrow

[quiet swift]

I dunno, i've yet to play or watch any of it. I absolutely love HL stuff but i've no VR setup so i've avoided it to not spoil myself

[slim thorn]

Cap: https://youtu.be/uq-uNtxxczU?t=110

[quiet swift]

Ooh. Looking forward to a youtuber I follow to play that....

[thorny loom]

Is it markiplier

[quiet swift]

[river veldt]

hello everybody my name is markiplier

[gaunt marten]

Hello jerma

[quiet swift]

https://www.youtube.com/@Kaiff this guy and his group are just hilarious, I find

[river veldt]

hello

[thorny loom]

Salt raiders lol

[thorny loom]

Oh gosh him

I remember his face from the meme

[quiet swift]

That was their guild name in WoW

I'm pretty sure he and his group was the first 'medium' sized youtuber to pick up Among Us during the pandemic, which then lead to bigger streamers picking it up and exploding

https://youtu.be/V_xfseMwbfk?t=76 one of my favorites (the mod where people have assigned 'classes' with roles/restrictions)

[gaunt marten]

Me saw who

[thorny loom]

Amongst us

[dapper cedar]

OH IT’S SO GREAT

Never have enjoyed Quake II as much as the first, but the amount of improvements packed into the new release have really impressed me

the one time I made it as far as I got in Quake II, I got stuck and unsure where to go in one of the later levels

but now there is an optional compass that guides you to the objective, so that problem is erased this time around

[feral tulip]

oh yeah he def was, i remember getting into amongus from his vids in early june
i was looking around for other vids of it but could only find some foreign language peeps with like 20 views per vid

[quiet swift]

Jan 2020 actually was his earliest vid

[feral tulip]

funny how this is the only time ive gotten in much earlier then a trend happening

yeah i think i started watching him in early june

[quiet swift]

[feral tulip]

he was def the first biggish english yter to cover

[quiet swift]

I just love the way the team just banters with each other

[feral tulip]

same

all their vids are a riot

[quiet swift]

I miss their WOW ones though

[river veldt]

oh like in Doom 2016 and Eternal that's cool

[dapper cedar]

it’ll create little arrows along the path you’re supposed to take

really fancy

[river veldt]

is this one also done by Nightdive

[glad girder]

they're not even trying anymore

[feral tulip]

theyve never been trying

[river veldt]

don't you dare talk shit about Garten of Peak /j

[proud warren]

Wha- why? Why not just let Zavala die like everyone predicts is gonna happen? Why bring in someone else to replace their voice? This makes no sense to me

[quiet swift]

If it's too important a character in the story for example, would be hard to explain away

[dense crypt]

Oh fuck thats cool as hell

[glad girder]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2I5DR89qXdg a new trailer came out today

[river veldt]

keith david is epic

[proud warren]

They did it with cayde for the longest time (but he's coming back, so bad example) but like, it doesn't feel right

[thorny loom]

Eyy farm sim

[little badger]

Well I’m glad they are continuing it.

[white phoenix]

my favourite thing about farming simulator is their dedicated esports scene

[little badger]

[slim thorn]

wait what

[thorny loom]

Yeah surprisingly there is an esports scene if it in germany

https://youtu.be/58NYQ0_cT-8

[white phoenix]

and teams are sponsored by real farm equipment companies

there's a john deere esports team

[green fulcrum]

Well it's about time.

[glad girder]

Also there’s a new song from Essenger coming out

And someone I know is working on a Doom 2 conversion mod

• a ton of other projects since it’s Bionicle Day (810NICLE)

[dapper cedar]

ohhh this gets my development brain zooming
https://bethesda.net/en/article/6NIyBxapXOurTKtF4aPiF4/enhancing-quake-ii

[mossy flume]

https://fxtwitter.com/fightstickart/status/1689642930846457858

[wind stump]

Baba Is Throwing Hands

[dapper cedar]

the Quake II 2023 experience

they added a cut pounce attack back into the game

[dense crypt]

ouef

[light gate]

Frame rate looks a little rough.

[dapper cedar]

Framerate is a solid 60 throughout, only rough here cause it was captured using the Switch replay thing

[river veldt]

are there any Vores in this one?

Shamblers ?

[unreal idol]

Holy shit, I got 4 R-TOPs in one donut block omg

[dapper cedar]

The Lovecrafty stuff was only in the first Quake

[unreal idol]

@static bluff SimCity things!

[dapper cedar]

Hell apparently Quake II wasn’t gonna be a Quake sequel at all originally

[static bluff]

EEEE!!

Impressive!

[unreal idol]

It probably wont last because Sims are finicky

But I've never had a full donut become TOP level before lol

[river veldt]

cries

ive been looking for a new game to play tbh, is Quake II worth my time ?

[static bluff]

I don't think I've ever seen it before

I'm mighty impressed

[dapper cedar]

though I did notice in the new character viewer thing, there is a Shambler weirdly enough

[unreal idol]

My city has a lot of R-TOPs which is pretty great

Only like one C-TOP though

[dapper cedar]

I’d say it’s worth it aye, new enhancements make it easier to play through and not get too lost

feel like I’m enjoying this Quake II runthrough more than the previous one

[river veldt]

so there isn't any dark castles or scary monsters ?

[unreal idol]

Bah, that didn't last long. The top-right one downgraded back into two separate apartments

[dapper cedar]

Nope, just varied cyborg aliens on an unfamiliar planet

like most id games you’re simply a badass sent in to take ‘em out

the soundtrack is a more traditional heavy metal vibe compared to Q1’s atmosphere but it is genuinely one of my favorite game soundtracks ever

[river veldt]

i see

are you still the Quake Ranger from the first one or are you a different lad/lass/person

[dapper cedar]

different guy called Bitterman iirc, but you still have the same iconic jump sound

[river veldt]

HUH

[dapper cedar]

HMMP

[river veldt]

HMMP

[dapper cedar]

beautiful sound

[river veldt]

that sound is so perfect

it's almost as good as Doomguy's "UH"

[static bluff]

It was like a really big and pretty bubble. Ya knew it was gonna pop but it's nice to enjoy it while it lasts

[dapper cedar]

imagining what the id shooter family reunion would be like, and conversations would no doubt be just a series of grunts

[unreal idol]

actually it reformed

[static bluff]

omg

save and quit

[river veldt]

i don't remember did BJ make any noise in Wolfenstein 3D

[static bluff]

so it never goes away

[unreal idol]

i got the screenshot so that's proof for me

also damn the area that developed around where I put My House is great lmao

[static bluff]

ah, railroad city. The best strat

[dapper cedar]

i could be mistaken but I swear he goes YEAH at the end of an episode

gotta double check that

[unreal idol]

if pollution from traffic wasn't so damn broken i wouldnt mind using roads

[static bluff]

It's unreal how bad it is

[river veldt]

YES HE DOES OK

i vividly remember that omg

[unreal idol]

although i love SimCity on SNES for a variety of reasons, I'll not deny that pollution is one of the most aggravating parts of the game

you literally cannot fix it as a problem

[river veldt]

pollution is very aggravating irl too

sorry that was snarky

[unreal idol]

no you're not wrong

[river veldt]

i went fishing with my roommate the other day and there were a bunch of cans and oil on the water :(

[dapper cedar]

YEAH
fking love that, surprised i remembered it
https://youtu.be/4qAwRwgEwfk

[river veldt]

BJ's neck is as thick as his head holy hell

[green fulcrum]

Fun fact: BJ Blazkowicz is Commander Keen's grandfather, and Commander Keen is Doomguy's great-great-grandfather.

[river veldt]

yesh

[green fulcrum]

Greatest (and weirdest) family tree ever.

[river veldt]

hold on i have a cute image

ok i cant find it so this will have to do
https://www.tumblr.com/pikkish-moved/647479897118359553/daisy

[green fulcrum]

Still cute!

[astral steeple]

🤔

why does this logo look so familiar

[green fulcrum]

Because it's kind of a ripoff from this:

[astral steeple]

nah ive seen it somewhere else before

[green fulcrum]

[astral steeple]

OH

bruh

they straight up yoinked it from epic

[green fulcrum]

Oh wow, they did.

[white phoenix]

wait wtf

[green fulcrum]

Even the little details within the letters are the same

Wow, that's pathetic.

[white phoenix]

yeah exactly

this isn't a crossover right

[astral steeple]

nope

[white phoenix]

this can't be right, where is that above picture from?

[astral steeple]

saw it on twitter

[white phoenix]

I can't find anything with that logo

seems like misinformation to me

[fickle garnet]

Its fake

[white phoenix]

this is the one on the trailer

[astral steeple]

huh

[fickle garnet]

Real logo

[white phoenix]

goes to show how easy it is believing in false information doesn't it

makes you think what else is false

[astral steeple]

it had the xbox logo in the corner so it looked real

[white phoenix]

just remember to always factcheck and never take things at face value, kids

twitter is especially terrible for this lol

[astral steeple]

yeah lol

also

https://twitter.com/FallGuysGame/status/1689668391135596546

Fall Guys - Creative Construction (@FallGuysGame)

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BRUH

wtf why

why is TMNT collabing with everyone else except for fortnite

in the last week alone theres been Session, Roblox, Minecraft, and SF6 all getting TMNT collabs

and now fall guys

on top of all the other games TMNT has collabed with in the past year or two

this is actually getting irritating

[harsh kestrel]

The TMNT collab for Street Fighter 6 was pretty bad

[visual hill]

there is only one sound made by him: YEE (when you finish some of the episodes)

or, as I call it, "when you get out of a boring class"

[grave tide]

14% of positive reviews for Overwatch 2

In steam

I love our society

[sage iris]

I love democracy

[grave tide]

Sadly I can't download OW2 to make a negative review

[sage iris]

I had to delete ow2 to make space for bg3

otherwise I would've left a negative review as well

[gaunt marten]

You don't need to have a game installed to leave a review

It just needs to be in your library and you need to have played it before

[sage iris]

I haven't played it on steam before, no

[wind stump]

The question isn't if I'm ready to play NieR Automata
THe question is am I willing to go insane.

[slim thorn]

I dunno when I'll be ready for it

[uneven epoch]

you play ff14, i think its already too late to worry about sanity

[wind stump]

hA

it's funny because...

eh you'll find out in 100 hours or so

[uneven epoch]

i know they have crossover with nier, you have a minion

[wind stump]

Oh, I suppose you did figure that out eventually
Yeah, it's the Alliance Raid series for ShB, it broke me mentally and that's why I'm afraid of diving in.
Replicant was bad enough

[little badger]

https://twitter.com/rockstargames/status/1689969964923432960? @bronze abyss

Rockstar Games (@RockstarGames)

Today, we are proud to announce that https://t.co/RIDVpeoqCS — the team behind the biggest Rockstar roleplay and creator communities, FiveM and RedM — are now officially a part of Rockstar Games: https://t.co/PqVyvdsjIX

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[arctic fern]

well shit
best part of GTAV online is now dead

[thorny loom]

On bright side. It means people who actually know what the community wants will be running gta 6 online

[wind stump]

and then get their suggestions ignored?

[teal cliff]

The steam reviews on Overwatch 2 are made by people who have definitely never made a video game

and I think reading them is going to drive me insane.

[gaunt marten]

Well yeah

Most people have never made a videogame

They still deserve a videogame they like

[teal cliff]

okay but

you can't say things like "the people who make overwatch porn work harder than the people who make overwatch" and have it be the most liked review on the game

most of the reviews are calling the developers lazy

They aren't, I can assure you that

[gaunt marten]

Well this one's just a dig and not actually meant to be true.

[teal cliff]

For as much as people like to call activision blizzard greedy & unkind to their workers they don't seem to ever think about why they would pay an entire development team to not work

The Overwatch development team is not "lazy" and that is not the source of any of the games problems.

[gaunt marten]

Obviously the developers are working really hard, but it appears that they're just spinning their wheels because the game is not going anywhere

[teal cliff]

tell that to the people reviewing the game

[gaunt marten]

No, just vote the review unhelpful and move on

You can't talk to every person

[teal cliff]

though what's actually happening is that project direction keeps changing under constantly shifting team leads and goals and the work that is getting done gets thrown away (We were supposed to have an entire PVE campaign as recently as months ago)

team members have discussed as much publicly.

[unreal idol]

blame upper management

[teal cliff]

I just hate it when gamers' reasoning to hate on a game is "lazy devs", triple A developers aren't allowed to be lazy lol they have bosses that will fire them if they are not constantly producing them profit.

[unreal idol]

i'm sure the devs and people actually working on the game care and give a shit, but blizzard-activision doesn't treat its workers well

so the way I see it, when someone cries about "lazy devs," they're misplacing their blame because they're unaware (or don't care) of the fact that middle and upper management is the root problem

[teal cliff]

I mean, yeah this is exactly it, but then people abuse those developers on social media and when the game fails, it's the team members and not the upper management who take that failure, so.

[gaunt marten]

People are very good at figuring out if there's a problem with a game, and it takes expertise to point out what the problem is

[unreal idol]

yeah, it's not a good situation

more people need to be made aware of the issues plaguing AAA video game studios

[gaunt marten]

Well I think it's fine

[slim thorn]

and people need to just not abuse anyone no matter what the situation is, that's never the right response even if they have correctly identified the asshole

[unreal idol]

I disagree

[quiet swift]

The OW2 reviews, for sure there's a fair number of players whose anger against it is well justified. But i'd say the vast majority of other negative reviews are just bandwagoning the shitting on/hating of their games - which is not exclusive to Blizz, it's pretty much happening to a lot of games these days

[slim thorn]

(and social media sites need to stop encouraging abuse)

[unreal idol]

Studios like Blizzard-Activision need to have their higher ups glassed from orbit

[gaunt marten]

It's not a user's job to diagnose a game. It's the people making the game.

[unreal idol]

Yes but a user is responsible for buying the game

So by not buying, they cease supporting the current business practices

[gaunt marten]

And that's why a bad review for the wrong reason is still desirable

[slim thorn]

this is the most transparent case of "violent agreement" we've had in a while

[unreal idol]

But, most users aren't plugged into the Internet like we are

So even if you get 40,000 mouthbreathers on reddit to not buy whatever shit Activision-Blizzard farts out, there will be 4,000,000 that still snap it up

so idk, it's a shit situation that's a symptom of a lot of gross problems that are too difficult for any one person to untangle

[quiet swift]

Blizz's OW2 plan was also ambitiousto the extrme, to quote one of the directors:
"The Overwatch team, especially at its inception, considered itself an MMO development team. As we transitioned away from that original concept and started creating Overwatch, we included plans to one day return to that scope. We had a crawl, walk, run plan. Overwatch was the crawl, a dedicated version of PvE was the walk, and an MMO was the run. It was built into the DNA of the team early on, and some of us considered that final game a true realization of the original vision of Project Titan."

The scrapped titan just slimmed down to the OW part, and they wanted OW 2 (with the pve stuff that was initially announced) to be the Walk stage, basically attempting the plan again. But I believe they just couldn't justify the cost and just couldn't get it where they wanted in the time they had

[unreal idol]

time to finish getting ready for work

[teal cliff]

While I also really wanted the PVE mode I do genuinely believe that it was scrapped for a reason and that things would only be worse if it had actually released. Something is wrong with the development process itself of Ow that I think needs to be fixed before the game can do better.

[wind stump]

The Overwatch team, especially at its inception, considered itself an MMO development team.
Because 99% of MMOs don't just fucking die immediately.

[quiet swift]

Well you say that

They thought WoW would die off and Titan was supposed to be their next thing, but WOW has never died

(and then the whole scope grew too much and all the various other issues which lead to OW on its own releasing)

[teal cliff]

99% of MMOs also aren't made by companies like activision blizzard :P

They're either made by studios too small to really get the ball rolling on an MMO or by studios big enough but whos model is to basically just release and kill games instantly if they don't make a profit (NCSoft and Gameforge)

Riot Games is the only triple A studio making a new MMO that I know of.

I guess the western release of Blue Protocol but I think that's more of a gacha with coop like Genshin, and it's already out in Asia

I wonder if WoW had died and the directing staff was moved over from that, if Overwatch would actually be in that "walk" stage today. We'll never know.

[dire gate]

There are more MMOs that just fucking die than that stays, since MMO is a genre where only the popular ones can even try to survive.

[teal cliff]

MMOs also generally require massive budgets to even try to make.

It is just, not an easy genre to enter let alone remain in

[dire gate]

That actually depends.

There are relatively low-budget MMOs. But they are like...different

A whole different world

[teal cliff]

yeah I mean like, proper MMORPG games

[unreal idol]

The MMO genre has radically changed over the last two decades

[teal cliff]

they are really hard to make, and they require really large playerbases to survive, so it's not a genre that indie developers can really compete in.

[unreal idol]

I'm glad XIV hasn't shit the bed yet

[teal cliff]

That's why I briefly worked on the community Toontown revival project as a developer lol

Do you know how rare MMO experience is on a resume?

[teal cliff]

XIV has been around long enough to sort of cement itself in the genre

[unreal idol]

So has WoW, but look at how that's doing

[teal cliff]

like if a new MMO releases and is bad, it dies instantly, but if an MMO thats been around for 10 years has a bad expansion, its usually fine

[teal cliff]

great?

Dragonflight has been incredibly reviewed so far

[unreal idol]

I thought WoW was still bleeding users over poorly received expanions

Ah ok

I really haven't been looking at WoW at all lately

[dire gate]

MMOs do tend to have this...inertia

[unreal idol]

Yeah

[quiet swift]

Dragonflight is in an odd place

[dire gate]

They usually don't just suddenly die

...usually

[teal cliff]

WoW also still has the most players of any MMO and part of the decline was mostly that MMOs themselves are not as popular anymore. WoW isn't as big as it used to be but those people that used to play WoW aren't playing FFXIV primarily, they're playing entirely different genres

Like, I think wow sits around 3 million players? It used to have 15 million

[quiet swift]

12 mill

[unreal idol]

Huh, that's not the impression I have

[teal cliff]

Didn't wrath peak at 15?

[unreal idol]

It seemed like during Shadowbringers we had a TON of WoW refugess

[quiet swift]

Nah it peaked at upper 12s, it never went past 13

[teal cliff]

They were just incredibly vocal.

[teal cliff]

ah my bad.

[teal cliff]

and most of them didn't stop actually playing WoW (even though I wish some of them would)

Asmongold made a big deal about quitting WoW for FFXIV but he still plays WoW and comments on every single patch note whining like a baby

Please go play FFXIV instead nobody likes you here

[unreal idol]

I don't pay attention to streamers

[teal cliff]

good.

[quiet swift]

Dragonflight doesn't have the absolute hype levels of Legion that brought many people to the game and stuck around. However, compared to BFA and Shadowlands, it is actually KEEPING people there. The retention is very very strong

[slim thorn]

"Why do people play video games?"
"Because they are fun."
never stops being relevant

[quiet swift]

A lot of MMO these days are more... cyclic? I guess a wave type thing. People play for X weeks or 2 ish months for the content and stuff, then stop the sub and then come back for the next major patch

[dire gate]

MMO actually is quite weird as it has certain amount of people if you ask them
"Why do you play this game"
"I don't know, because I've been playing it"

[quiet swift]

DF is doing a great job of keeping people for most of that time period though

[teal cliff]

I'd call Dragonflight better than Legion for mostly class design reasons, I think the few extra years of updates have made the general feel of most specs smoother

[unreal idol]

Yeah me and Denzy have put XIV on the back-burner for roughly a year due to IRL shit, but we still remain subbed

[wind stump]

1.X

[unreal idol]

too lazy to unsub, and our play is so sporadic it's easier to just leave it subbed

[teal cliff]

I do want something similar to class halls back though, those were very fun.

[quiet swift]

[teal cliff]

BFA and SL would have definitely been too soon for a class hall repeat

[unreal idol]

But since I'm nmostly recovered from surgery, we'll probably dig back into XIV harder soon

[teal cliff]

DF maybe but I think the next expansion should definitely be the one to return them

[unreal idol]

maybe after we clear out TOTK and some other games first

[dire gate]

I can tell that there are surprisingly people who keep play their game just because they've played long

[unreal idol]

But now, work for real

[wind stump]

It kinda shit the bad so hard that they had to burn the mattress and replace the bed but it still works!

[quiet swift]

Hi, near 20 year player of WOW here. Never unsubbed.

[teal cliff]

Square Enix is lucky enough to be one of the only companies that can afford a failure like that lol

[slim thorn]

indeed, and this always makes me worry about them

[teal cliff]

Most companies if they release FF14 1.0 they just die

[wind stump]

"Afford" as in "nearly bankrupt the entire company"

[quiet swift]

[dire gate]

I literally saw people play a game simply because of sunk cost fallacy

[teal cliff]

Ah, but it didn't ;3

[slim thorn]

like surely it's an important life skill to spend your free time on stuff you actually want to be doing

[dire gate]

I am pretty lucky that my brain somehow is quite free from it

[teal cliff]

I play league of legends, clearly i don't have that life skill

[wind stump]

[teal cliff]

My relationship with League of Legends is 100% sunk cost fallacy. I've played enough to become really good and because I'm good I feel obligated to keep playing.

[quiet swift]

Overall design quality and whatnot of the game, I think DF is on par or better than Legion, yes. But the burning legion and class halls and artifact weapons and a whole lot of other things were just more exciting and more "FUCK YEAH" levels of hype than "HERE BE DRAGONS" of Dragonflight

[dire gate]

I am weirdly able to detach from a game very well

[teal cliff]

Frankly I'm glad we can tone back the hype levels sometimes, DF has had a lot more "domestic" quest feel and I like that.

obviously not all of DF is like that, but I like it when it is.

[quiet swift]

Hype does not equal scale though

[young creek]

Legion best forever

[arctic fern]

https://twitter.com/ShitpostRock/status/1689778150031683584

Rock solid (@ShitpostRock)

Artwork section is missing for Overwatch 2 on steam

we all know why

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Twitter · Aug 10, 2023, 11:18 PM

[young creek]

(I got the best legendary as my 2nd)

[dire gate]

Legion of Legends

[teal cliff]

My favourite world quests in Shadowlands were the ones where I was helping the people in Bastion clean the floor or put scrolls back

I like little stuff like that.

[quiet swift]

Like, Warlords of Draenor is not crazy huge scale compared to say, Shadowlands and so on. But WoD has one of the most amounts of hype of any expansions of WOW, by the metrics

[young creek]

WoD has the best cinematic

[quiet swift]

[young creek]

and sick trailers

[quiet swift]

TL;DR, hype

[wind stump]

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

[quiet swift]

Dragonflight's missing that, but the sheer quality of the game right now is what's keeping people playing the whole time. As I said, retention is sky high

[young creek]

I can say my 4 most hyped games ever are the 2 new Zeldas and WoD + Legion

[wind stump]

Rare Blizzard W, lmao

[teal cliff]

I actually really didn't like WoD

[quiet swift]

The xpac itself was so so, that's true

[teal cliff]

I think it's actually the worst one.

[dire gate]

Wow not even Gojo for Fortnite?

[young creek]

The Gojo skin in Fortnite doesnt have sunglasses they dropped the ball so hard

[quiet swift]

Nah. SL did more to kill off WOW than anything else

[teal cliff]

SL was still more fun to actually play than WoD was

[quiet swift]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLzhlsEFcVQ but you can't tell me that this doesn't "get the blood pumping"

[dire gate]

🐼

[quiet swift]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jon4GV1u3uM

[young creek]

I was sooo into the story starting from this until the end of Legion

[dire gate]

I'm surprised that you are arguing between SL and WoD, not talking about BfA at all

[teal cliff]

BFA was better than Shadowlands

and Shadowlands was better than WoD.

[young creek]

I cant stay subbed for more than 2 months in modern wow

played 2 months of BFA, SL and DF

then even when they do big patches its kinda hard to get back into it

I think thats more me than the game though, I only played 2 months of all 3 classic games too

[random steppe]

Square is the only company I know that pretty much every title they release they say it underperformed based on their expectations.

It's actually a miracle that they are still in business if you ask me.

They are like, opposite Nostradamus

[teal cliff]

Their expectations are just too high and also they make a lot of really questionable decisions

[young creek]

Cataclysm classic hype cataclysm classic hype

[teal cliff]

Babylon's Fall, whatever Crypto stuff they were getting into, that jobsim microtransaction game they released

[slim thorn]

makes you wonder if their games would be half as good if they had realistic expectations

[graceful bridge]

https://limitedrungames.com/collections/quake-ii

[teal cliff]

Square releases a lot of bad games.

Square just releases a lot of games in general.

[slim thorn]

I never said they didn't

[graceful bridge]

Oh oops, my window didn't scroll. Didn't realize there was an active conversation.

[random steppe]

True, to be fair tho, it releases a lot of good games they have unrealistic expectations for as you mention.

Problem is, I assume they budget them accordingly for those unrealistic expectations, which makes me wonder how they make money at all if every game they make they overspend on.

[teal cliff]

I doubt they're budgeting for only a small profit margin

They expect a game to make 100 million more than it costs and it only makes 25 million more but that still recoups all development costs

but it's also only 25% of the way to these expectations, so they're mad about it

[random steppe]

Maybe that's the case, for the good games at least

[gaunt marten]

My game only makes gobs and gobs of money I'm so mad

[teal cliff]

this is how capitalists act yeah

It is not enough to be profitable but profits must increase every year or its bad.

[random steppe]

No way Babylon's Fall made back the water cooler costs, nevermind the rest of development costs tho

[teal cliff]

yeah that was a steaming pile

[teal cliff]

I wonder if Avengers made back its costs. probably?

[random steppe]

Like, the number of copies sold for that one was in the dozens I believe

Looked bad in the teasers, looked bad in the trailers, looked bad on release.

Plus the fact that they made platinum make this is insult to injury.

[teal cliff]

Oh nvm apparently Avengers did lose them money

It cost 190m to make and sold only 3m units

Even if every single copy sold was at 60$ (which it definitely wasn't) that's a 10 million loss

[random steppe]

The game had a lot of cosmetic mtx tho

So maybe it made some money

If it did tho, it wasn't much

[teal cliff]

Nah Square said it was a loss apparently

[thorny loom]

Yeah square lost of money past few years

[quiet swift]

Square has said FF 16 underperformed.

[thorny loom]

But thats what happens when you try chasing nfts and live service games

[thorny loom]

Which is very concerning for them

[quiet swift]

They seem to overestimate their games a ton, for some ungodly reason

[teal cliff]

I bet they expect it to sell like

Mario numbers